Re: (idm) []pusher & recommendations

From david turgeon
Sent Wed, Jul 7th 1999, 16:27

> While I can't think of many off the top of my head, there are plenty of
> experimental works that mix free jazz and electronics. Stuff with Ikue
> Mori and the Tzadik label, maybe Orchestra 33.3 [...]

don't know about orchestra 33.3 (i recall hearing good words about it
though) but i have ikue mori's 'garden', an excellent album, although it
sounds quite cold & calculated -- much in the vein of zorn's sound.  but
it's still more 'contemporary' than 'free jazz', at least to my ear. 
then again, one could argue that contemporary music is quite the same as
free jazz, but i don't think this is entirely true, although the line
between those genres _is_ being blurred up more & more.

i suppose what i think electronics would _heavily_ benefit from is the
'free' element from 'free jazz'.  & by that i don't mean that live
players are necessary (i.e. squarepusher), but rather that new ways of
playing rigid-sounding instruments such as beatboxes, synths, samplers,
& other hardware or software, can be found by analyzing free jazz
music.  the song structure is chaotic but melody & tonal progression
remain a priority, even if these end up sounding extremely abstract, so
that rather than a conceptual array of sounds whose melody & tonality
are dismissed as secondary to the profit of a research in pure form
(which is what contemporary & avant-garde music sounds to me), you end
up with something more immediately appealing to & understandable by the
listener, all the while keeping the chaotic structure & general 'edge'.

> It does annoy me that when I hear "jazzy" in a description of IDM, I can
> almost invariably be right in my guess that the jazz referred to is either
> lite jazz or fusion.

yup.  ain't that uncanny?

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