From UTF-8 Sent Sun, Jan 20th 2019, 16:48
Hi, I'm returning to this topic as I was busy with other stuff for a while.= .. Anyways, I think the Sust II on my Yamaha CS40M isn't working correctly - I mean Sust II doesn't really cut off the release of the previous sound. I mean let's say I have a single oscillator sound and I first play the note D3 (with long release) and release the D3 and the depress E3, for a moment I hear two oscillators playing E3 and the other one fades according to the release time. That's kinda weird - shouldn't the new note cut off the previous one entirely? Antti pe 21. jouluk. 2018 klo 9.53 laurie (xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx) kirjoitti: > > actually, reading your whole post, It sounds like it is working.... > > Sust II will let you solo like a mono synth.... Sustain I will have relea= ses bluring,,,, switch to II and try soloing with long release > > > > > > ---- On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 01:40:15 -0600 Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <uneksi= xx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote ---- > > Ok, thanks for the information. So mine isn't working properly. Any tips = on what to check? There was some real guru on the cs40m technical issues on= Gearslutz, maybe he knows... > > Antti > > laurie <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> kirjoitti pe 21. jouluk. 2018 klo 8.16: > > > in the CS series, sustain 1 allows all oscilators to run the full release= .... sustain II steals the previously played release ( like a monoish synth= ) > > On the CS80, sustain II lets you hold a chord and play a monoish solo wh= ere portamento follows solo lead.... in sustain one, all 8 osc would ring o= ut and get messy... > > > > ---- On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:22:01 -0600 Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <uneksi= xx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote ---- > > As I just mentioned in the CS30L-post, I bought a CS30L and was > shocked to find out it doesn't sound like a Yamaha CS20M at all, > although the CS30L sounds cool in other ways and has all those super > possibilities. And I had already promised to sell my Yamaha CS20M to > my brother to fund the CS30L. > > I mean for example, when you crank up the resonance and use a single > oscillator, the CS20M has that certain characteristic CS20M tone, the > resonance really "colours" the sound, it's like the band of > frequencies affected by the resonance is wider than on other synths. > It sounds squelchy where the CS30L sounds "whooshy". Can't describe it > better :) (I do admit that perhaps my CS30L needs calibration and > maintenance, but I doubt that could explain the difference completely > and the CS30L still sounds good in other ways). > > Well, I was pondering all this and saw an add for a Yamaha CS40M. I > thought about buying it for two minutes and now I'm the happy new > owner of that synth. And yeehaaa, there we have "that" sound! Man what > a nice sounding synth. There really is certain fatness in the sound of > the CS40M, it's really characterful and can't really get those sounds > out of the CS30L. Of course the CS30L sounds great and is awesome too, > but I feel I approach synthesis in a completely different way with > each of those synths. > > The duophony of the CS40M is surprisingly useful and fun. It works so > that it alternates the two voices as you play, unless you play the > same key, which simply triggers the same sound again. And it's true > two-voice polyphony, it's not paraphonic. > > And here are my questions: > > -What is the difference between the two sustain modes, I and II (which > I'll now refer to as modes 1 and 2)? I mean mode 1 works like any > polysynth, I mean if I first depress a key, then depress another while > releasing the first one, I'll hear the first sound decaying away, just > like any polysynth would do it. However, mode 2 works so that when I > release the first key and depress the next, the first sound will jump > to the pitch of the new key and then decay away. Thus, for a moment, > there's this unison effect which decays away. I don't think this is > terribly useful at all. I wonder if my synth's mode 2 isn't working > properly? What should it really do? > -There's one thing the CS40M can't do which the CS20M could do: play > single oscillator monophonic sounds. I mean on the CS20M I could > program a single oscillator bass sound which has release on both of > the envelopes. Any new notes, of course, cut the previous sound. If I > try this on the CS40M, it gets muddy as the new note doesn't cut the > old sound due to the duophony. I can of course turn on the unison > mode, but then I get the unison of two voices, with two oscillators > phasing, which isn't what I want. I figured out I could set the synth > to the unison mode and then insert a dummy plug to the trigger input > of one of the voices, to turn it permanently off. But this turns one > of the voices permanently on. According to the schematics, a positive > trigger voltage turns a voice off. So what would be the simplest way > to achieve what I want? A dummy cable with a nine volt battery > providing the voltage or what? Of course controlling the CS40M with > the keyboard of the CS30L would be one quick solution, but ideally I'd > want to do it without the CS30L. > > Any help would be much appreciated, and would love to hear your > comments and opinions on my observations and on these synths in > general! > > Cheers, > Antti > > > >