From Kevin Ponto Sent Fri, Jul 1st 2005, 02:48
From Kevin Ponto Sent Fri, Jul 1st 2005, 02:48
Two snaps and a 'round the world. k:p On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:49 AM, bryan garcia wrote: > "right, the fuck , on" > <artist> > > --- graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > >> THIS is EXACTLY the kind of links that people should >> be allowed to post here, >> regardless of list. >> >> is is NOT necessarily self-promotion but rather a >> POTENTIAL BASIS for the >> kind(s) of philosophical discussions on music and >> microsound culture that are >> supposedly supposed to happen here. >> >> how is anyone supposed to discuss anything unless >> there is some kind of FIRST >> CAUSE, whether that's a post, a picture or a piece? >> >> trying to make it to a gig halfway around the world >> is one thing... >> >> but i'm all for artists posting links to their >> work... >> >> otherwise, you end up with endless debates as to the >> conversational power of a >> stoplight... >> >> i USED to actually find out information here. and >> links would generate >> discussion. whether it was an article, a MAX/MSP >> patch, a new label or piece >> of software, sounds from space, MP3s, AIFFs, WAVs, >> MPEGS, WMVs... i mean, >> honestly, what the hell does twiki have to do with >> anything music? i don't >> even know what a twiki is, but i'm pretty sure >> they'd be happier in the wild >> and not in a cage. >> >> this whole no links bullshit (for fear of being >> BANNED to the furthest reaches >> of the internet) seems to prioritize the written >> word, online reading lists, or >> ink and paper, as the first cause from which >> discussion is to stem... so >> fucking university, it's makes me sick. let's get >> into actual art itself as >> the basis for discussion... NOT what's been written >> about it... i have to deal >> with that kind of intellectually removed bullshit on >> a daily basis elsewhere... >> >> with these kinds of global online groups there's the >> potential to engage music, >> musicians and artist on a GRASSROOTS level... you >> get the benefit by BYPASSING >> the record label filters, the publishing company >> filters, the 'taste' filters, >> and go straight to the source and dialogue directly >> with the artists >> themselves... why aren't we talking advantage of >> that? why do you think all the >> musician have left here? >> >> why can't people talk about their own work? WTF? >> it's hard enough for our kind >> of music to get any kind of recognition as it is... >> >> i for one would love to have people like twerk, >> sutekh, deadbeat back here... i >> can even deal with taylor dupree's spacebar static >> just to make everyone happy. >> >> i highly doubt john cage is going to post anything >> here anytime soon... or >> xenakis or even fucking curtis roads for that >> matter... let's deal with the >> artists that are: >> >> A) alive >> >> B) online >> >> C) post here >> >> to be honest, the kind of draconian enforcement of >> some kind ambiguous >> manifesto drafted to serve the intents of a handful >> of people (which only post >> on microsound to remind people NOT to post on >> microsound) has driven away >> contribution, NOT encouraged it. meanwhile it seems >> fine to have a signature >> file with a dozen hyperlinks... i have no problem >> with that and i personally >> check out everybody's work and find it a great >> source of encouragement and >> inspiration. >> >> anyway, this has been bugging me for a while and i'd >> hate to see a new poster >> chastised for contributing links to their work... >> >> i've kept every single microsound post on my >> computer for the past four years >> or whatever i've been here... there is definitely a >> difference and i hardly >> think the solution is have less posts rather than >> more... >> >> art and artists come first. theory comes later. >> discussion comes later. that's >> the way it's always been. >> >> let's see more links. and then let's talk about >> them? cool? cool. >> >> graham. >> >> >> >> Joseph Scott wrote: >> >> >>> I have posted some digital photos that I modified >>> >> using basic techniques in >> >>> free photo editing software. The photos often >>> >> resemble visual equivalents of >> >>> microsound works, hence me posting the link here: >>> >>> >>> >> >> > http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 > >>> >>> If other people on this list are also involved >>> >> with innovative visual art >> >>> and have works online, please post links on the >>> >> list or offlist to me. >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>> Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Thu Jun 30 23:38:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36453-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30443 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:38:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 30417 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:38:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:37:39 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] re summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] re summertime project? Thread-index: AcV9wrUAyYKFeN7ZT7O/FGQqBGe/kAACXkhA Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 23:37:40.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4747AA0:01C57DCC] okay, i've put the basics on the twiki page (not very poetic i'm afraid.) can all those interested add/delete/update/comment as desired. perhaps we can agree to have the project defined by next week, then post the official description and get creative! http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR enjoy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 23:25:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36452-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23529 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:25:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 23518 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:25:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:25:39 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 23:25:40.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[071C5EA0:01C57DCB] i have a fairly mellow maxpatch , if you have max and a contact mic its quite fun to just leave it going for a while, it feeds back and modulates the feedback when it reaches a certain level, like a mini installation in yr bedroom or whatever. i stuck it on _you send it_ as text in a word document, as far as im aware its cool just to copy the link on here and you can download it if you want . enjoy! http://s21.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=364IJX2YGKHDR0LPMK9EVFIIGL _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Thu Jun 30 22:42:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36451-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9597 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:42:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 9586 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:42:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:42:27 +0200 From: michael beijer <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] i agree with graham - our links are an important and necessary part of this list To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=lfVIrGZ7uqF0U/KNsygHJmKmom7q1kcbZv5pvc8QC/Y7WdgeJ59EkxmWFaINkdEeHbNeHIgZEXavnItrBOm5UIvT5vN5XLt7QrQ6THJm9m1DnOvXSoiBP1+JXeozOApz2OnoxBIISTt2Nky4poYBTzNi+vRurwLKQ4x+54IFU2A= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i also go check out your links and then get ideas from them -m --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 22:25:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36450-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1210 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:25:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 1197 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:25:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:25:41 +0200 From: michael beijer <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re summertime project? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=RtwZwcffN17UXOxwapgaNLmgU6cz2X7mJXwnWxyzk2eS1Cd4hh/95uEO2l2JTOmj8UHtCnjtZeIgWJrGR4+Y6sMnDBSThpK98TBKzJNEWsSxYeIYgnYuheXtQTM46FTPpxhG0ooevFBYQq8X46gAjq6aaQ6DRxqtjqgNrJK6xIk= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm in! i've never posted before but have been carefully reading most of what goes on here and am already getting to work on THE SOUNDS OF THE SUMMER -michaelbeijer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 21:37:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36449-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79496 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:37:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 79472 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:37:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:35:59 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <014701c57dbb$dc3ed9b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <00d401c57da8$3b7fdbe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx except you have started a discussion about it. i think its a good idea. i like to associate people's music with their posts. robert horton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nisi" <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC nicely put, graham. how about posting our latest recordings for a start - an audible werkstattbrief. about 20 minutes ago I've recorded this: http://michaelnisi.com/tmp/scape.mp3 post your stuff (and get banned) :) regards, michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 21:11:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36448-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67531 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:11:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 67518 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:11:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:11:21 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tqAw2EDdPcttW0bImf27ByXCQoKJf32+JPqcRZnFsOrlIlRYw7HUnZxUMoxaCaQzFwtONnteW7UaV8cGtOt1xRCOCJgjtnZrsAQEbU6Nqs6zOTZlAPANu6CNg9nkPJHttBE1lPD9CJZYDRR/KvBCV+yuWeiA7T7esLl83NqR/5I= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/30/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Bjorn set up the wiki page for the project: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR i don't think attachments will work on this page right now. if it gets to be time to upload files, lemme know and i will do the sysadmin stuff that needs to be done to allow for file uploads on this page [or another one, if the project needs it]. the results of the project can be put on the .microsound web server, but that usually happens after the project is closed. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 20:21:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36447-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42873 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:21:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 42863 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:21:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:21:09 -0700 From: Jorge Bachmann <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.tritoncore.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - anihilo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I back you up 100%, Lately I was thinking about that... I'm glad you expressed paz J21 On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:01 AM, graham miller wrote: > THIS is EXACTLY the kind of links that people should be allowed to > post here, > regardless of list. > > is is NOT necessarily self-promotion but rather a POTENTIAL BASIS for > the > kind(s) of philosophical discussions on music and microsound culture > that are > supposedly supposed to happen here. > > how is anyone supposed to discuss anything unless there is some kind > of FIRST > CAUSE, whether that's a post, a picture or a piece? > > trying to make it to a gig halfway around the world is one thing... > > but i'm all for artists posting links to their work... > > otherwise, you end up with endless debates as to the conversational > power of a > stoplight... > > i USED to actually find out information here. and links would generate > discussion. whether it was an article, a MAX/MSP patch, a new label > or piece > of software, sounds from space, MP3s, AIFFs, WAVs, MPEGS, WMVs... i > mean, > honestly, what the hell does twiki have to do with anything music? i > don't > even know what a twiki is, but i'm pretty sure they'd be happier in > the wild > and not in a cage. > > this whole no links bullshit (for fear of being BANNED to the furthest > reaches > of the internet) seems to prioritize the written word, online reading > lists, or > ink and paper, as the first cause from which discussion is to stem... > so > fucking university, it's makes me sick. let's get into actual art > itself as > the basis for discussion... NOT what's been written about it... i have > to deal > with that kind of intellectually removed bullshit on a daily basis > elsewhere... > > with these kinds of global online groups there's the potential to > engage music, > musicians and artist on a GRASSROOTS level... you get the benefit by > BYPASSING > the record label filters, the publishing company filters, the 'taste' > filters, > and go straight to the source and dialogue directly with the artists > themselves... why aren't we talking advantage of that? why do you > think all the > musician have left here? > > why can't people talk about their own work? WTF? it's hard enough for > our kind > of music to get any kind of recognition as it is... > > i for one would love to have people like twerk, sutekh, deadbeat back > here... i > can even deal with taylor dupree's spacebar static just to make > everyone happy. > > i highly doubt john cage is going to post anything here anytime > soon... or > xenakis or even fucking curtis roads for that matter... let's deal > with the > artists that are: > > A) alive > > B) online > > C) post here > > to be honest, the kind of draconian enforcement of some kind ambiguous > manifesto drafted to serve the intents of a handful of people (which > only post > on microsound to remind people NOT to post on microsound) has driven > away > contribution, NOT encouraged it. meanwhile it seems fine to have a > signature > file with a dozen hyperlinks... i have no problem with that and i > personally > check out everybody's work and find it a great source of encouragement > and > inspiration. > > anyway, this has been bugging me for a while and i'd hate to see a new > poster > chastised for contributing links to their work... > > i've kept every single microsound post on my computer for the past > four years > or whatever i've been here... there is definitely a difference and i > hardly > think the solution is have less posts rather than more... > > art and artists come first. theory comes later. discussion comes > later. that's > the way it's always been. > > let's see more links. and then let's talk about them? cool? cool. > > graham. > > > > Joseph Scott wrote: > >> I have posted some digital photos that I modified using basic >> techniques in >> free photo editing software. The photos often resemble visual >> equivalents of >> microsound works, hence me posting the link here: >> >> http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 >> >> If other people on this list are also involved with innovative visual >> art >> and have works online, please post links on the list or offlist to me. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! >> http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > justino aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound P.O.Box 15953 San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 20:04:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36446-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36452 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:04:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 36442 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:03:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:03:57 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC In-reply-to: <00d401c57da8$3b7fdbe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ho9mQvIfF5Qj7EiDrGuaP3qqZhNB+hRzYc88qngyR8rL4l3z80caCd+5kJdnaUB0Kzp5514Os0qBWec7pv8sYxLkjKq89elPHxRAOSIiomT3AMMHcE1bsCaGX6s3rhaRJBPWSNXdTOAQa+mS36Gug1bCCH9qlmWCurKXG/LvQgY= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <00d401c57da8$3b7fdbe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx nicely put, graham. how about posting our latest recordings for a start - an audible werkstattbrief. about 20 minutes ago I've recorded this: http://michaelnisi.com/tmp/scape.mp3 post your stuff (and get banned) :) regards, michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 19:59:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36445-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34321 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:59:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 34306 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:59:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:00:36 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'd be happy to participate in this project. Perhaps some of the other Thinboxers are interested as well. As far as the facilitation of said project, I think Nick's offer seems good and generous - I would be happy to help with whatever I can also. Cheers Chris McNamara On Jun 30, 2005, at 2:00 PM, David Powers wrote: > This sounds great to me... I'm not really set up for field recording, > but would love to do work on a microsound piece if others would make > their samples available - whether "summer" or not, and regardless of > hemisphere. > > ~David > > nick knouf wrote: > >> Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... >> >> I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe >> the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but >> if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able >> to... >> >> We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the >> overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale >> as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of >> insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For >> others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling >> leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for >> those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge >> of winter in the northern hemisphere) >> >> So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds >> of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by >> hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a >> composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload >> the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, >> provide a CD to those who wish one. >> >> Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but >> if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the >> project? >> >> cheers, >> >> nick >> >> >> On 6/24/05, //jonCates <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >>> Scott C >>> >>> snds fantastic >>> >>> in support of sandy slippage + pouring snd into snd via summer >>> >>> // jonCates >>> # http://www.r4wb1t5.org >>> # http://www.criticalartware.net >>> # http://www.systemsapproach.net >>> >>> On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Scott Carver wrote: >>> >>>> In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer >>>> while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, >>>> perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a >>>> outdoor >>>> location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately >>>> summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is >>>> appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with >>>> headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make >>>> sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be >>>> separated, >>>> summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is >>>> impossible to separate. >>>> >>>> - Scott C. >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 19:16:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36444-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16804 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:16:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 16794 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:16:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:15:16 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00d401c57da8$3b7fdbe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i agree with graham. makes it more real less heady. r ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham miller" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC > THIS is EXACTLY the kind of links that people should be allowed to post > here, > regardless of list. > > is is NOT necessarily self-promotion but rather a POTENTIAL BASIS for the > kind(s) of philosophical discussions on music and microsound culture that > are > supposedly supposed to happen here. > > how is anyone supposed to discuss anything unless there is some kind of > FIRST > CAUSE, whether that's a post, a picture or a piece? > > trying to make it to a gig halfway around the world is one thing... > > but i'm all for artists posting links to their work... > > otherwise, you end up with endless debates as to the conversational power > of a > stoplight... > > i USED to actually find out information here. and links would generate > discussion. whether it was an article, a MAX/MSP patch, a new label or > piece > of software, sounds from space, MP3s, AIFFs, WAVs, MPEGS, WMVs... i mean, > honestly, what the hell does twiki have to do with anything music? i > don't > even know what a twiki is, but i'm pretty sure they'd be happier in the > wild > and not in a cage. > > this whole no links bullshit (for fear of being BANNED to the furthest > reaches > of the internet) seems to prioritize the written word, online reading > lists, or > ink and paper, as the first cause from which discussion is to stem... so > fucking university, it's makes me sick. let's get into actual art itself > as > the basis for discussion... NOT what's been written about it... i have to > deal > with that kind of intellectually removed bullshit on a daily basis > elsewhere... > > with these kinds of global online groups there's the potential to engage > music, > musicians and artist on a GRASSROOTS level... you get the benefit by > BYPASSING > the record label filters, the publishing company filters, the 'taste' > filters, > and go straight to the source and dialogue directly with the artists > themselves... why aren't we talking advantage of that? why do you think > all the > musician have left here? > > why can't people talk about their own work? WTF? it's hard enough for our > kind > of music to get any kind of recognition as it is... > > i for one would love to have people like twerk, sutekh, deadbeat back > here... i > can even deal with taylor dupree's spacebar static just to make everyone > happy. > > i highly doubt john cage is going to post anything here anytime soon... or > xenakis or even fucking curtis roads for that matter... let's deal with > the > artists that are: > > A) alive > > B) online > > C) post here > > to be honest, the kind of draconian enforcement of some kind ambiguous > manifesto drafted to serve the intents of a handful of people (which only > post > on microsound to remind people NOT to post on microsound) has driven away > contribution, NOT encouraged it. meanwhile it seems fine to have a > signature > file with a dozen hyperlinks... i have no problem with that and i > personally > check out everybody's work and find it a great source of encouragement and > inspiration. > > anyway, this has been bugging me for a while and i'd hate to see a new > poster > chastised for contributing links to their work... > > i've kept every single microsound post on my computer for the past four > years > or whatever i've been here... there is definitely a difference and i > hardly > think the solution is have less posts rather than more... > > art and artists come first. theory comes later. discussion comes later. > that's > the way it's always been. > > let's see more links. and then let's talk about them? cool? cool. > > graham. > > > > Joseph Scott wrote: > >> I have posted some digital photos that I modified using basic techniques >> in >> free photo editing software. The photos often resemble visual equivalents >> of >> microsound works, hence me posting the link here: >> >> http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 >> >> If other people on this list are also involved with innovative visual art >> and have works online, please post links on the list or offlist to me. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Thu Jun 30 18:49:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36443-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3451 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:49:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 3441 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:49:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ON TOPIC, or why do men start fires >?< In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x3civmZdMhjWDqGdOZYENy4pVKnux3cKot6w5gXE43XeKA01HikqRWd26dTvu2Pi5A5hHT54viFFv95QyDI/xKHVTYhV/Li2Nj/t7PKmzM/pJHKodxYSvR9+6BVRFgKtn1WSSrTzhhqmZDxE5kfixIQQ+nZ/YUEF/FngmLs+btU= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "right, the fuck , on" <artist> --- graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > THIS is EXACTLY the kind of links that people should > be allowed to post here, > regardless of list. > > is is NOT necessarily self-promotion but rather a > POTENTIAL BASIS for the > kind(s) of philosophical discussions on music and > microsound culture that are > supposedly supposed to happen here. > > how is anyone supposed to discuss anything unless > there is some kind of FIRST > CAUSE, whether that's a post, a picture or a piece? > > trying to make it to a gig halfway around the world > is one thing... > > but i'm all for artists posting links to their > work... > > otherwise, you end up with endless debates as to the > conversational power of a > stoplight... > > i USED to actually find out information here. and > links would generate > discussion. whether it was an article, a MAX/MSP > patch, a new label or piece > of software, sounds from space, MP3s, AIFFs, WAVs, > MPEGS, WMVs... i mean, > honestly, what the hell does twiki have to do with > anything music? i don't > even know what a twiki is, but i'm pretty sure > they'd be happier in the wild > and not in a cage. > > this whole no links bullshit (for fear of being > BANNED to the furthest reaches > of the internet) seems to prioritize the written > word, online reading lists, or > ink and paper, as the first cause from which > discussion is to stem... so > fucking university, it's makes me sick. let's get > into actual art itself as > the basis for discussion... NOT what's been written > about it... i have to deal > with that kind of intellectually removed bullshit on > a daily basis elsewhere... > > with these kinds of global online groups there's the > potential to engage music, > musicians and artist on a GRASSROOTS level... you > get the benefit by BYPASSING > the record label filters, the publishing company > filters, the 'taste' filters, > and go straight to the source and dialogue directly > with the artists > themselves... why aren't we talking advantage of > that? why do you think all the > musician have left here? > > why can't people talk about their own work? WTF? > it's hard enough for our kind > of music to get any kind of recognition as it is... > > i for one would love to have people like twerk, > sutekh, deadbeat back here... i > can even deal with taylor dupree's spacebar static > just to make everyone happy. > > i highly doubt john cage is going to post anything > here anytime soon... or > xenakis or even fucking curtis roads for that > matter... let's deal with the > artists that are: > > A) alive > > B) online > > C) post here > > to be honest, the kind of draconian enforcement of > some kind ambiguous > manifesto drafted to serve the intents of a handful > of people (which only post > on microsound to remind people NOT to post on > microsound) has driven away > contribution, NOT encouraged it. meanwhile it seems > fine to have a signature > file with a dozen hyperlinks... i have no problem > with that and i personally > check out everybody's work and find it a great > source of encouragement and > inspiration. > > anyway, this has been bugging me for a while and i'd > hate to see a new poster > chastised for contributing links to their work... > > i've kept every single microsound post on my > computer for the past four years > or whatever i've been here... there is definitely a > difference and i hardly > think the solution is have less posts rather than > more... > > art and artists come first. theory comes later. > discussion comes later. that's > the way it's always been. > > let's see more links. and then let's talk about > them? cool? cool. > > graham. > > > > Joseph Scott wrote: > > > I have posted some digital photos that I modified > using basic techniques in > > free photo editing software. The photos often > resemble visual equivalents of > > microsound works, hence me posting the link here: > > > > > http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 > > > > If other people on this list are also involved > with innovative visual art > > and have works online, please post links on the > list or offlist to me. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Thu Jun 30 18:02:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36442-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79628 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:02:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 79618 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:02:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:01:19 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] OT? Modified Photos = ON TOPIC To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx THIS is EXACTLY the kind of links that people should be allowed to post here, regardless of list. is is NOT necessarily self-promotion but rather a POTENTIAL BASIS for the kind(s) of philosophical discussions on music and microsound culture that are supposedly supposed to happen here. how is anyone supposed to discuss anything unless there is some kind of FIRST CAUSE, whether that's a post, a picture or a piece? trying to make it to a gig halfway around the world is one thing... but i'm all for artists posting links to their work... otherwise, you end up with endless debates as to the conversational power of a stoplight... i USED to actually find out information here. and links would generate discussion. whether it was an article, a MAX/MSP patch, a new label or piece of software, sounds from space, MP3s, AIFFs, WAVs, MPEGS, WMVs... i mean, honestly, what the hell does twiki have to do with anything music? i don't even know what a twiki is, but i'm pretty sure they'd be happier in the wild and not in a cage. this whole no links bullshit (for fear of being BANNED to the furthest reaches of the internet) seems to prioritize the written word, online reading lists, or ink and paper, as the first cause from which discussion is to stem... so fucking university, it's makes me sick. let's get into actual art itself as the basis for discussion... NOT what's been written about it... i have to deal with that kind of intellectually removed bullshit on a daily basis elsewhere... with these kinds of global online groups there's the potential to engage music, musicians and artist on a GRASSROOTS level... you get the benefit by BYPASSING the record label filters, the publishing company filters, the 'taste' filters, and go straight to the source and dialogue directly with the artists themselves... why aren't we talking advantage of that? why do you think all the musician have left here? why can't people talk about their own work? WTF? it's hard enough for our kind of music to get any kind of recognition as it is... i for one would love to have people like twerk, sutekh, deadbeat back here... i can even deal with taylor dupree's spacebar static just to make everyone happy. i highly doubt john cage is going to post anything here anytime soon... or xenakis or even fucking curtis roads for that matter... let's deal with the artists that are: A) alive B) online C) post here to be honest, the kind of draconian enforcement of some kind ambiguous manifesto drafted to serve the intents of a handful of people (which only post on microsound to remind people NOT to post on microsound) has driven away contribution, NOT encouraged it. meanwhile it seems fine to have a signature file with a dozen hyperlinks... i have no problem with that and i personally check out everybody's work and find it a great source of encouragement and inspiration. anyway, this has been bugging me for a while and i'd hate to see a new poster chastised for contributing links to their work... i've kept every single microsound post on my computer for the past four years or whatever i've been here... there is definitely a difference and i hardly think the solution is have less posts rather than more... art and artists come first. theory comes later. discussion comes later. that's the way it's always been. let's see more links. and then let's talk about them? cool? cool. graham. Joseph Scott wrote: > I have posted some digital photos that I modified using basic techniques in > free photo editing software. The photos often resemble visual equivalents of > microsound works, hence me posting the link here: > > http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 > > If other people on this list are also involved with innovative visual art > and have works online, please post links on the list or offlist to me. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Thu Jun 30 18:00:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36441-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76976 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:00:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 76966 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:00:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:00:54 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gv+askzzA6T5CfkRzfJ/9w)" X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_gv+askzzA6T5CfkRzfJ/9w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds great to me... I'm not really set up for field recording, but would love to do work on a microsound piece if others would make their samples available - whether "summer" or not, and regardless of hemisphere. ~David nick knouf wrote: >Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > >I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe >the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but >if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able >to... > >We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the >overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale >as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of >insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For >others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling >leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for >those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge >of winter in the northern hemisphere) > >So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds >of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by >hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a >composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload >the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, >provide a CD to those who wish one. > >Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but >if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the >project? > >cheers, > >nick > > >On 6/24/05, //jonCates <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > >>Scott C >> >>snds fantastic >> >>in support of sandy slippage + pouring snd into snd via summer >> >>// jonCates >># http://www.r4wb1t5.org >># http://www.criticalartware.net >># http://www.systemsapproach.net >> >>On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Scott Carver wrote: >> >> >>>In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer >>>while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, >>>perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor >>>location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately >>>summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is >>>appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with >>>headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make >>>sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be separated, >>>summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is >>>impossible to separate. >>> >>>- Scott C. >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --Boundary_(ID_gv+askzzA6T5CfkRzfJ/9w)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 14:00:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36440-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37038 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:00:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 37026 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:00:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:00:10 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: Modified Photos In-reply-to: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IzdsYotqxn9lkNaR9u1IYDc1niRW6hzbIuzyyRNUy4G0ImU4nj/EW65I3rrtYHD1LlLDwpK6X9HBr6VGz37VCzQLGcuz6oT+LqfYD9Tekg1kKTGTyj4r7FKxTfQs1nasYwTn2NMeLl8L3beClNzB/07ozKIP++N9KD+jnMIIjjg= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For those of you interested in this sort of "databending", there's a list called, appropriately enough, databenders. A member recently posted a rather large amount of bent photoshop PSD and jpeg files; I've included the message below. cheers, nick From: stAllio! <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-To: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Jun 27, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [databenders] massive new bent image gallery i've been working on this for a few weeks now, and i'm ready to launch it to the public: the new stAllio! image-bending gallery: http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/bent/ this is the new home for my databent image work, and i kick it off with a massive new RRX gallery. this new gallery includes a bunch of new bent JPEG files (about 23 actual bent jpeg files and at least two screencaps of each), so if you enjoyed last month's bollybend experiment, you will enjoy this up to 23x more. beyond that, there are more than 100 images created by bending PSD files. so when i say it's massive, you know i mean it. also, the classic RR8 gallery has been expanded as well as galleryized so you can easily browse through it by looking through thumbnails. -- I've never thought of it like that before. But I'm going to go with, "no, it is not strange to eat your own parasite." http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com On 6/30/05, Joseph Scott <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I have posted some digital photos that I modified using basic techniques in > free photo editing software. The photos often resemble visual equivalents of > microsound works, hence me posting the link here: > > http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 > > If other people on this list are also involved with innovative visual art > and have works online, please post links on the list or offlist to me. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Thu Jun 30 12:22:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36439-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2820 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:22:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 2808 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:22:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:22:48 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VCmYaxpEYGg/4e5avD7ZL8JxnMI4mFsC0lTqAJHXS4OZLbVpftHPsMsr7wwgkinm4ANHEXJteCa/7SyHvTv10E+aaYB7pq/MDBs1NLyzaS93UBhfc00Ma9C84eDBzz8Q9OFQf6LqU3Eb6ZeJJSiJRjDLDoWdCimPjcqEkOP/sjc= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx saving bandwidth sounds like a plan and don't forget to breathe, man. sorry, michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 12:16:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36438-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 403 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:15:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 392 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:15:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:18:44 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <011301c57d6d$dc465030$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't think real time chat is more scary than an ordinary phone call or a real chat/talk. Real time chat sometimes has the advantages of getting fast solutions to practical problems. Maybe it is not ideal for a lot else. The different situations at hand has different needs and different ways to communicate. /Björn Eriksson > etc... It is also possible that people do not want to interact in real > time and their reticence is not a case of being too lazy to participate. > The material I have contributed to this thread is in an attempt to get > people to consider the experiences of others who have gone down these > paths, rather than behave as if they know it all, or that the experiences > of others are irrelevant. > > or indeed taking up list bandwidth with obtuse in-jokes which make sense > to the poster but to no one else. > > julian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 12:03:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36437-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97032 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:03:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 97022 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:03:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:03:47 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 30/06/2005, at 5:58 PM, Michael Nisi wrote: > haha, yeah more real and shit - sounds familiar. like painting your > toe nails black and feeling your strengthened personality through it. > like producing weak sounding music and label it underground. i'm not sure i get this reply... and how it contributes to the discussion on the list. It sounds like someone with issues... the material i posted was a report from someone else (earlier in the thread) who is running real time chat for a list not dissimilar to this. His observation was that most people do not like real time chat, or at least are reluctant to take the interactions from these spaces into that context. Real time chat appeals to stronger personalities and not to all. Your surprise at the small number of participants in your irc channel is therefore not a surprise for others who have tried a similar thing... there are also quite pragmatic issues like time zones etc... It is also possible that people do not want to interact in real time and their reticence is not a case of being too lazy to participate. The material I have contributed to this thread is in an attempt to get people to consider the experiences of others who have gone down these paths, rather than behave as if they know it all, or that the experiences of others are irrelevant. or indeed taking up list bandwidth with obtuse in-jokes which make sense to the poster but to no one else. julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 09:33:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36436-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34990 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:33:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 34980 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:33:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:33:04 +0000 From: Joseph Scott <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OT: Modified Photos In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [217.19.131.135] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 09:33:04.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[B773DB90:01C57D56] I have posted some digital photos that I modified using basic techniques in free photo editing software. The photos often resemble visual equivalents of microsound works, hence me posting the link here: http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084 If other people on this list are also involved with innovative visual art and have works online, please post links on the list or offlist to me. _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 09:04:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36435-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9628 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:04:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 9616 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:04:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:03:23 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] RE: summertime project? Thread-index: AcV9UWRFwsbeTNHfQfWqDHtyYsfkAwAAKX5g Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 09:03:24.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[9228B9E0:01C57D52] I'll post the project basics so far on the twiki later today. We can use this to formulate a clear project plan & deadline. Also, I'd more than happy to do the webpage for this - how has this been done in the past? I'm not sure how/where the .microsound web is hosted. When is the official end of summer? (Not that I'm anxious for it!) -----Original Message----- From: Björn Eriksson [mailto:xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx] Sent: 30 June 2005 09:50 To: microsound Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? Coffe or not, the TWiki page is there ready for anyone to just fill in. The next stage would actually be to just get this thing rolling. When we come to deadline (in end of summer?) there maybe is someone willing to design a nice webpage too? /Björn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nisi" <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? we where? oh god, give me coffee... sorry, michael On 6/30/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi, > > we where discussing this last night: > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > Bjorn set up the wiki page for the project: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR > > step in. > > regards, > michael > > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR > > On 6/30/05, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > > Hi Nick and all, > > > > I have been working on a piece called 'memory of summer' - what > > interests me is creating a track based around summer only from memory > > (as someone suggested before). I will also work on a piece more locally > > based in Australia's winter... > > > > I really like the ideas that this project has brought up and it would be > > great to have it coordinated. Perhaps you and I could nut out some > > project guidelines and get people to post their tracks on the hotline > > server/twiki? Email me with suggestions.. > > > > Who actually did start this thread?? :) > > > > Simon. > > > > Symbiosis > > Sunday nights, 12am - 2am > > 102.7 FM / www.rrr.org.au > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > > > From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > > Date: Thu, June 30, 2005 2:28 pm > > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > > > > > Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > > > > > > I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe > > > the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but > > > if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able > > > to... > > > > > > We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the > > > overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale > > > as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of > > > insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For > > > others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling > > > leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for > > > those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge > > > of winter in the northern hemisphere) > > > > > > So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds > > > of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by > > > hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a > > > composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload > > > the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, > > > provide a CD to those who wish one. > > > > > > Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but > > > if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the > > > project? > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > nick > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 08:54:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36434-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4842 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:54:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 4824 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:54:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:49:52 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <007a01c57d50$af5005c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Coffe or not, the TWiki page is there ready for anyone to just fill in. The next stage would actually be to just get this thing rolling. When we come to deadline (in end of summer?) there maybe is someone willing to design a nice webpage too? /Björn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nisi" <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? we where? oh god, give me coffee... sorry, michael On 6/30/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi, > > we where discussing this last night: > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > Bjorn set up the wiki page for the project: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR > > step in. > > regards, > michael > > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR > > On 6/30/05, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > > Hi Nick and all, > > > > I have been working on a piece called 'memory of summer' - what > > interests me is creating a track based around summer only from memory > > (as someone suggested before). I will also work on a piece more locally > > based in Australia's winter... > > > > I really like the ideas that this project has brought up and it would be > > great to have it coordinated. Perhaps you and I could nut out some > > project guidelines and get people to post their tracks on the hotline > > server/twiki? Email me with suggestions.. > > > > Who actually did start this thread?? :) > > > > Simon. > > > > Symbiosis > > Sunday nights, 12am - 2am > > 102.7 FM / www.rrr.org.au > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > > > From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > > Date: Thu, June 30, 2005 2:28 pm > > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > > > > > Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > > > > > > I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe > > > the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but > > > if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able > > > to... > > > > > > We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the > > > overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale > > > as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of > > > insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For > > > others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling > > > leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for > > > those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge > > > of winter in the northern hemisphere) > > > > > > So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds > > > of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by > > > hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a > > > composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload > > > the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, > > > provide a CD to those who wish one. > > > > > > Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but > > > if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the > > > project? > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > nick > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 08:13:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36433-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90346 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:13:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 90336 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:13:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:13:25 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lPW6C/nr3Cb9RuGyR3KPO8ydqoNW/MjNxCGtMIh+Q1qsg6VjpLHOhi34Jd01vlgWbQm3Vup/KuLog1CjKhs3jpup1DrpYMD2vtx0ujj25Zd8y/Q6L4abIYfybzA3Bpi4bP6PdZINwqEUg7uQ3Xwi62gs0d/rSf1lvjtkOP1qNPM= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx we where? oh god, give me coffee... sorry, michael On 6/30/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi, > > we where discussing this last night: > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > Bjorn set up the wiki page for the project: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR > > step in. > > regards, > michael > > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR > > On 6/30/05, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > > Hi Nick and all, > > > > I have been working on a piece called 'memory of summer' - what > > interests me is creating a track based around summer only from memory > > (as someone suggested before). I will also work on a piece more locally > > based in Australia's winter... > > > > I really like the ideas that this project has brought up and it would be > > great to have it coordinated. Perhaps you and I could nut out some > > project guidelines and get people to post their tracks on the hotline > > server/twiki? Email me with suggestions.. > > > > Who actually did start this thread?? :) > > > > Simon. > > > > Symbiosis > > Sunday nights, 12am - 2am > > 102.7 FM / www.rrr.org.au > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > > > From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > > Date: Thu, June 30, 2005 2:28 pm > > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > > > > > Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > > > > > > I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe > > > the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but > > > if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able > > > to... > > > > > > We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the > > > overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale > > > as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of > > > insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For > > > others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling > > > leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for > > > those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge > > > of winter in the northern hemisphere) > > > > > > So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds > > > of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by > > > hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a > > > composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload > > > the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, > > > provide a CD to those who wish one. > > > > > > Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but > > > if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the > > > project? > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > nick > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 08:07:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36432-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88043 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 88026 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:07:20 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sSuun2VvTGN3vFkRGvvjm9sNzjrbjPZlCa5bPk1ohdEj+t5eoaE71kS0VGUbMwrOS9iKQgsS2G6rF+7hJUqZGLipXAgzPpNPejreKoPql3kp/Y+Tm5NSmXS0FT4vrwVLLtAXzKlx0ec+GexvPQocUD5FIJYFm2+TsWIouqyzbjU= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, we where discussing this last night: irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound Bjorn set up the wiki page for the project: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR step in. regards, michael http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/SummeR On 6/30/05, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > Hi Nick and all, > > I have been working on a piece called 'memory of summer' - what > interests me is creating a track based around summer only from memory > (as someone suggested before). I will also work on a piece more locally > based in Australia's winter... > > I really like the ideas that this project has brought up and it would be > great to have it coordinated. Perhaps you and I could nut out some > project guidelines and get people to post their tracks on the hotline > server/twiki? Email me with suggestions.. > > Who actually did start this thread?? :) > > Simon. > > Symbiosis > Sunday nights, 12am - 2am > 102.7 FM / www.rrr.org.au > Melbourne, Australia > > xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > > From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > Date: Thu, June 30, 2005 2:28 pm > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > > > Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > > > > I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe > > the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but > > if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able > > to... > > > > We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the > > overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale > > as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of > > insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For > > others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling > > leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for > > those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge > > of winter in the northern hemisphere) > > > > So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds > > of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by > > hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a > > composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload > > the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, > > provide a CD to those who wish one. > > > > Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but > > if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the > > project? > > > > cheers, > > > > nick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 08:05:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36431-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86700 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:05:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 86688 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:05:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:04:53 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] RE: summertime project? Thread-index: AcV9MA/PoVqivhFWSkGlQOEEWJgP0AAF4Onw Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 08:04:54.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[66123B90:01C57D4A] Hi, thread-starter here... I've been, er, researching summer in Spain for the past week so just catching up with the discussions now... didn't mean to leave it hanging. I like Nick's idea of collecting sounds independently for a period, sharing them, then using them for our compositions. (That's how I understand it anyway) - in a more collaborative vein we could also upload our summer tracks first, then remix each's others up, though this could be messy ; ) There was mention of using synthetic sounds rather than/in combination with ambient samples. It seems perfectly legitimate to gather sounds from any source that we feel represents or reflects the essence of "summer." So, as Simon suggests, a few of us could mesh out some details then officially present the project to the group. I haven't read what is up with the hotline discussion (the client never worked for me) - but I'm know we can find server space as needed. Hope I didn't overlook any good ideas!! - R.Diddy -----Original Message----- From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx [mailto:xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx] Sent: 30 June 2005 05:56 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: summertime project? Hi Nick and all, I have been working on a piece called 'memory of summer' - what interests me is creating a track based around summer only from memory (as someone suggested before). I will also work on a piece more locally based in Australia's winter... I really like the ideas that this project has brought up and it would be great to have it coordinated. Perhaps you and I could nut out some project guidelines and get people to post their tracks on the hotline server/twiki? Email me with suggestions.. Who actually did start this thread?? :) Simon. Symbiosis Sunday nights, 12am - 2am 102.7 FM / www.rrr.org.au Melbourne, Australia xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Date: Thu, June 30, 2005 2:28 pm > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > > I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe > the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but > if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able > to... > > We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the > overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale > as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of > insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For > others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling > leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for > those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge > of winter in the northern hemisphere) > > So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds > of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by > hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a > composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload > the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, > provide a CD to those who wish one. > > Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but > if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the > project? > > cheers, > > nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 07:59:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36430-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84290 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:59:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 84280 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:59:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:58:55 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WKnDDt+n+eaLDZ4LSuT4Dd47lTLo8Z8D/P4mvsXCZkrzUNjRsszzIe/ebiTT0lf5gLUUdj33BH0f7ue7YGRYf6x8Sru+GNgHya9Ka9McKkGT1ibJi+i5209y7aYvNLUbR6ZADmADlu5mj+VnzyfJmj7+icf+QOQ1QZ5KTS2hRI0= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > >> more about strong personalities. haha, yeah more real and shit - sounds familiar. like painting your toe nails black and feeling your strengthened personality through it. like producing weak sounding music and label it underground. oh well, michael On 6/30/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > On 30/06/2005, at 7:58 AM, Michael Nisi wrote: > > > six people! c'mon. is that it? /join #microsound :) > > > > > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > >> We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > >> the mailing list. Odd. > > >> It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > >> more about strong personalities. > >> > > > julian > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 05:23:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36429-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30890 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:23:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 30879 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:23:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:20:06 +0200 From: Roberto Rodrigo =?iso-8859-1?b?TWFzaeE=?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] LA CASA MICROSCOPICA X-Originating-IP: 81.202.60.103 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello people, "La casa Microscopica" or "the microscopic house " consists in a open common project exploring the relationship between the creators and their living places. The idea would be to take as a start point for the compositions the sounds from the place where one lives, inside our houses.(pipes, people, mosquitos, traffic fromoutide, whatever),so the works of the project are subject to this rule of using only sounds coming from recordings made in your house. In this way we have first the effort (always interesting, I think) of having some sort of rule or autolimitation in our work and in the other hand the fact of the inmediate enviroment having a direct and explicit influence in the music or better said the inmediate environrment almost being our music. Confirmed artists till now are Pablo Reche, Sogar, Marco Godme, 1=0, Plumb & Plumber, Marc Mc Nulty , Interested? Roberto Rodrigo www.montgorecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 04:56:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36428-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22492 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:56:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 22482 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:56:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:56:01 -0700 From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Nick and all, I have been working on a piece called 'memory of summer' - what interests me is creating a track based around summer only from memory (as someone suggested before). I will also work on a piece more locally based in Australia's winter... I really like the ideas that this project has brought up and it would be great to have it coordinated. Perhaps you and I could nut out some project guidelines and get people to post their tracks on the hotline server/twiki? Email me with suggestions.. Who actually did start this thread?? :) Simon. Symbiosis Sunday nights, 12am - 2am 102.7 FM / www.rrr.org.au Melbourne, Australia xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Date: Thu, June 30, 2005 2:28 pm > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... > > I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe > the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but > if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able > to... > > We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the > overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale > as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of > insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For > others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling > leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for > those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge > of winter in the northern hemisphere) > > So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds > of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by > hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a > composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload > the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, > provide a CD to those who wish one. > > Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but > if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the > project? > > cheers, > > nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 04:28:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36427-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10109 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:28:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 10091 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:28:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:28:16 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tYuINcHhps+AxihvbpGzJu6JnNuWogc5lKz+Ns4ppB4ZW57kAFxiS0zuWVrZttJG/XA9AjEDtPbdg4zEMlIubNeGQ7cHKQ3oUaybOGSB1/Hna4QSTMjuGOUq5iaypWy4FckaJa6E9KBpxnNcXFG8+P4YOA2OuqroUPMNansjmxc= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hmm, no movement on this for nearly a week... I'm not sure if there is a person "in charge" of this project; maybe the thread starter? I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but if nobody else is interested in taking charge, I'd be interested/able to... We seem to have a fairly wide range of options, but one of the overarching themes (as I read it) is using the sounds of your locale as the basis of a composition. For many, that might be the sounds of insects, of people jumping into a swimming pool, of thunder. For others, the sound of cold rain, of boots in the snow, of rustling leaves. (pardon me if those sounds are completely out of whack for those of you in the southern hemisphere; i'm basing it on my knowledge of winter in the northern hemisphere) So it seems to me that what we should do is first collect the sounds of "summer" (and if you're interested/willing, provide those sounds by hosting them/linking to them from the wiki) and then work those into a composition of your own desire. At the end of the summer we upload the files for everyone to enjoy, and perhaps, given the interest, provide a CD to those who wish one. Now, maybe I've completely misrepresented people's desires here, but if not, does this sound like a good point of departure for the project? cheers, nick On 6/24/05, //jonCates <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Scott C > > snds fantastic > > in support of sandy slippage + pouring snd into snd via summer > > // jonCates > # http://www.r4wb1t5.org > # http://www.criticalartware.net > # http://www.systemsapproach.net > > On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > > In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer > > while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, > > perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor > > location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately > > summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is > > appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with > > headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make > > sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be separated, > > summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is > > impossible to separate. > > > > - Scott C. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 03:27:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36426-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85907 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:27:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 85897 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:27:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:24:15 -0400 From: godo <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] soulseek To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <017101c57d23$329f1160$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8HhxK+3bTOOWZHdPqtPk2A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - denver.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pictomotion.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <016301c57d16$e01ebaf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_8HhxK+3bTOOWZHdPqtPk2A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alina es lo primero que pude escuchar gracias a un amigo. Ahora tengo más trabajos de Arvö Part: Arvo Pärt - Arbos (2000) Arvo Pärt - Beatus Arvo Pärt - Collage Arvo Pärt - Fratres (1994) Arvo Pärt - Orient Occident (2002) Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa y encontré tambien los trabajos de Frederic Mompou increibles un abrazo ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Bachmann To: microsound Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] soulseek ni idea en cuanto a soulseek, pero en cuanto al trabajo de Arvo PÄRT si y no solamente Alina... no idea about soulseek, but regarding the work of Arvo PÄRT yes, and not only Alina... paz J21 On Jun 29, 2005, at 6:55 PM, godo wrote: > Hola, necesito conectarme de nuevo a soulseek pero a través de un > servidor proxy. Busqué ayuda en los foros de slsk pero todavía sin > solución. > > Nota: revisen Rune Grammofon (www.runegrammofon.com) > > Alguien en esta lista conoce el trabajo de Arvö Part: Alina? > > > justino aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound P.O.Box 15953 San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_8HhxK+3bTOOWZHdPqtPk2A)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 02:53:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36425-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67422 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:53:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 67411 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:53:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:53:28 -0700 From: Jorge Bachmann <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] soulseek In-reply-to: <016301c57d16$e01ebaf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <016301c57d16$e01ebaf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ni idea en cuanto a soulseek, pero en cuanto al trabajo de Arvo PÄRT si y no solamente Alina... no idea about soulseek, but regarding the work of Arvo PÄRT yes, and not only Alina... paz J21 On Jun 29, 2005, at 6:55 PM, godo wrote: > Hola, necesito conectarme de nuevo a soulseek pero a través de un > servidor proxy. Busqué ayuda en los foros de slsk pero todavía sin > solución. > > Nota: revisen Rune Grammofon (www.runegrammofon.com) > > Alguien en esta lista conoce el trabajo de Arvö Part: Alina? > > > justino aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound P.O.Box 15953 San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 01:59:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36424-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35775 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:59:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 35764 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:59:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:55:59 -0400 From: godo <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] soulseek To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <016301c57d16$e01ebaf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5zEvSZaiBFqMNk+dHaGraw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - denver.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pictomotion.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_5zEvSZaiBFqMNk+dHaGraw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hola, necesito conectarme de nuevo a soulseek pero a través de un servidor proxy. Busqué ayuda en los foros de slsk pero todavía sin solución. Nota: revisen Rune Grammofon (www.runegrammofon.com) Alguien en esta lista conoce el trabajo de Arvö Part: Alina? --Boundary_(ID_5zEvSZaiBFqMNk+dHaGraw)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 30 01:51:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36423-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31906 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:51:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 31895 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:51:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:51:47 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 30/06/2005, at 7:58 AM, Michael Nisi wrote: > six people! c'mon. is that it? /join #microsound :) > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM >> We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on >> the mailing list. Odd. >> It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, >> more about strong personalities. >> julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 29 22:02:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36422-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36545 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:01:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 36535 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:01:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:01:55 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? X-Originating-IP: 66.72.201.239 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Server: ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I will when I have some free time from worka nd I don't have any personal computer problems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nisi" <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:58:10 +0200 > > six people! c'mon. is that it? /join #microsound :) > > On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Join: > > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > > > Mac OS X Client: > > http://www.colloquy.info/ > > > > Firefox Extension: > > https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=16 > > > > cu, > > michael > > > > On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Uh, C'mon! > > > > > > On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > I've just blindly did /join microsound on freenode and found > > it's already there. > > > > House occupation is always an option :) > > > > > > > > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > ps. replacing one propretary system by another doen't seem to > > be that smart > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/14/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > I felt that Tom might better explain his decision to use KDX. Here is > > > > > his response. > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > > > > > > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > > > > > > To: Julian Knowles > > > > > > Subject: Re: thread re KDX sevcom > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > My response: I am sure the microsound list can understand > > the need for > > > > > > experimentation - in this case in terms of > > communications. We're about > > > > > > 6 months down the track and I think I can answer some questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > We chose KDX because it works the same on all platforms. We looked at > > > > > > a lot of other tools and thought this seemed pretty compact and > > > > > > efficient. It fits on a USB key and it works on any machine you care > > > > > > to use - take it to India with you! It's also very security minded. > > > > > > Bad points - one developer - he's a touch nutty and we > > don't know when > > > > > > the new version comes. But he listened to every one of our requests, > > > > > > said some are already happening. We are more about talk > > than files and > > > > > > that's not common. > > > > > > > > > > > > Community building - is hard work. KDX is not for the lazy sysop. You > > > > > > have to have the drive of the small town. One problem is that people > > > > > > are confused by 'news'. It's the same as 'mail' but it > > just seems hard > > > > > > to grasp that you can just mail that way - and they feel pressured to > > > > > > chat when they don't have to do that. But having said that - once > > > > > > you're in KDX it uses up no bandwidth. Just log in and ignore it. We > > > > > > even found a new concept we call 'blurking'. You just sit in the chat > > > > > > and leave it running all day. Come home at night and see > > what was said > > > > > > all day. The quality of the community is people, not the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > > > > > > the mailing list. Odd. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would sum it up by saying that you cannot move a > > mailing list onto a > > > > > > KDX. It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > > > > > > more about strong personalities. > > > > > > > > > > > > If anybody would like to kick the tyres they are welcome at > > > > > > 'sevcom.com' port '1984' pass and name 'guest'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 29 21:58:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36421-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33863 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:58:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 33849 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:58:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:58:10 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OjB9AuMquOfO7CJwnCbhwliT0YJvaoC0CY2k9uvhmNVbmLwclxmvUJRl6opDbZCCdt+8c+HC7I6bF8Hyj5205IbVLy6DFS/U+Cryu+CaQAhxmBmraQG/y0W4FU7Db91LRImZfQWI9AM7eKR1WdmiH0i9fInnCIZdyth1/Auwl5g= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx six people! c'mon. is that it? /join #microsound :) On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Join: > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > Mac OS X Client: > http://www.colloquy.info/ > > Firefox Extension: > https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=16 > > cu, > michael > > On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Uh, C'mon! > > > > On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > I've just blindly did /join microsound on freenode and found it's already there. > > > House occupation is always an option :) > > > > > > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > > > > > Take care, > > > Michael > > > > > > ps. replacing one propretary system by another doen't seem to be that smart > > > > > > > > > On 6/14/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > I felt that Tom might better explain his decision to use KDX. Here is > > > > his response. > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > > > > > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > > > > > To: Julian Knowles > > > > > Subject: Re: thread re KDX sevcom > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > My response: I am sure the microsound list can understand the need for > > > > > experimentation - in this case in terms of communications. We're about > > > > > 6 months down the track and I think I can answer some questions. > > > > > > > > > > We chose KDX because it works the same on all platforms. We looked at > > > > > a lot of other tools and thought this seemed pretty compact and > > > > > efficient. It fits on a USB key and it works on any machine you care > > > > > to use - take it to India with you! It's also very security minded. > > > > > Bad points - one developer - he's a touch nutty and we don't know when > > > > > the new version comes. But he listened to every one of our requests, > > > > > said some are already happening. We are more about talk than files and > > > > > that's not common. > > > > > > > > > > Community building - is hard work. KDX is not for the lazy sysop. You > > > > > have to have the drive of the small town. One problem is that people > > > > > are confused by 'news'. It's the same as 'mail' but it just seems hard > > > > > to grasp that you can just mail that way - and they feel pressured to > > > > > chat when they don't have to do that. But having said that - once > > > > > you're in KDX it uses up no bandwidth. Just log in and ignore it. We > > > > > even found a new concept we call 'blurking'. You just sit in the chat > > > > > and leave it running all day. Come home at night and see what was said > > > > > all day. The quality of the community is people, not the program. > > > > > > > > > > We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > > > > > the mailing list. Odd. > > > > > > > > > > I would sum it up by saying that you cannot move a mailing list onto a > > > > > KDX. It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > > > > > more about strong personalities. > > > > > > > > > > If anybody would like to kick the tyres they are welcome at > > > > > 'sevcom.com' port '1984' pass and name 'guest'. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 29 16:25:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36420-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50057 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:25:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 50042 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:25:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:25:25 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CWcqnvTFwF0ZFqtlk1yXeKGbpbZ0tun58sgw0DauzyU9BfqKEZ641262hd4y5U1egFGCdN74Ro2IQouxq9Sl23G9T0lY04S2ykMSIB5CYNk6YcQe+KmUnlD5teoNEsMBIn357vogYPI1gFJbiCbu3kydt6ySk43PsHW2HSmHxHA= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Join: irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound Mac OS X Client: http://www.colloquy.info/ Firefox Extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=16 cu, michael On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Uh, C'mon! > > On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I've just blindly did /join microsound on freenode and found it's already there. > > House occupation is always an option :) > > > > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > > > Take care, > > Michael > > > > ps. replacing one propretary system by another doen't seem to be that smart > > > > > > On 6/14/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > > > I felt that Tom might better explain his decision to use KDX. Here is > > > his response. > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > > > > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > > > > To: Julian Knowles > > > > Subject: Re: thread re KDX sevcom > > > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > > > My response: I am sure the microsound list can understand the need for > > > > experimentation - in this case in terms of communications. We're about > > > > 6 months down the track and I think I can answer some questions. > > > > > > > > We chose KDX because it works the same on all platforms. We looked at > > > > a lot of other tools and thought this seemed pretty compact and > > > > efficient. It fits on a USB key and it works on any machine you care > > > > to use - take it to India with you! It's also very security minded. > > > > Bad points - one developer - he's a touch nutty and we don't know when > > > > the new version comes. But he listened to every one of our requests, > > > > said some are already happening. We are more about talk than files and > > > > that's not common. > > > > > > > > Community building - is hard work. KDX is not for the lazy sysop. You > > > > have to have the drive of the small town. One problem is that people > > > > are confused by 'news'. It's the same as 'mail' but it just seems hard > > > > to grasp that you can just mail that way - and they feel pressured to > > > > chat when they don't have to do that. But having said that - once > > > > you're in KDX it uses up no bandwidth. Just log in and ignore it. We > > > > even found a new concept we call 'blurking'. You just sit in the chat > > > > and leave it running all day. Come home at night and see what was said > > > > all day. The quality of the community is people, not the program. > > > > > > > > We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > > > > the mailing list. Odd. > > > > > > > > I would sum it up by saying that you cannot move a mailing list onto a > > > > KDX. It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > > > > more about strong personalities. > > > > > > > > If anybody would like to kick the tyres they are welcome at > > > > 'sevcom.com' port '1984' pass and name 'guest'. > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 29 16:19:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36419-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44727 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:19:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 44716 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:19:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:19:07 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] IRC discussions To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at aardvarkmedia.co.uk X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx We're on IRC if anyone wants to come. Server: irc.freenode.org Channel: #microsound If you haven't used IRC before, there's quite a few clients around for different operating systems. Windows (shareware): http://www.xchat.org/windows/ Mac OS (free): http://www.colloquy.info/ Linux/other: You're probably an IRC junkie anyway ;) We could set dates and times for discussions if anyone's interested. It's really quite straightforward! There's channels on freenode for supercollider and pd as well. -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 29 15:56:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36418-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28957 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:55:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 28945 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:55:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:55:47 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=af26m8LdTYv2fOvaVFDhvTUPBYusGoOx3wPBOCGYYe78qyx1gb+3rfyyzRjcb/PMlNDn9Rna/YY+NsVv1GK6mcwa0pAaqb/S4E0yVhwRowcuu0e0qAYKZ5M5YMTlAB3MXrrkg9z7uYVa+Ig98Z65ozRWaXmxuq8QNBXZb0+rep4= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Uh, C'mon! On 6/29/05, Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I've just blindly did /join microsound on freenode and found it's already there. > House occupation is always an option :) > > irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound > > Take care, > Michael > > ps. replacing one propretary system by another doen't seem to be that smart > > > On 6/14/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > > I felt that Tom might better explain his decision to use KDX. Here is > > his response. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > > > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > > > To: Julian Knowles > > > Subject: Re: thread re KDX sevcom > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > My response: I am sure the microsound list can understand the need for > > > experimentation - in this case in terms of communications. We're about > > > 6 months down the track and I think I can answer some questions. > > > > > > We chose KDX because it works the same on all platforms. We looked at > > > a lot of other tools and thought this seemed pretty compact and > > > efficient. It fits on a USB key and it works on any machine you care > > > to use - take it to India with you! It's also very security minded. > > > Bad points - one developer - he's a touch nutty and we don't know when > > > the new version comes. But he listened to every one of our requests, > > > said some are already happening. We are more about talk than files and > > > that's not common. > > > > > > Community building - is hard work. KDX is not for the lazy sysop. You > > > have to have the drive of the small town. One problem is that people > > > are confused by 'news'. It's the same as 'mail' but it just seems hard > > > to grasp that you can just mail that way - and they feel pressured to > > > chat when they don't have to do that. But having said that - once > > > you're in KDX it uses up no bandwidth. Just log in and ignore it. We > > > even found a new concept we call 'blurking'. You just sit in the chat > > > and leave it running all day. Come home at night and see what was said > > > all day. The quality of the community is people, not the program. > > > > > > We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > > > the mailing list. Odd. > > > > > > I would sum it up by saying that you cannot move a mailing list onto a > > > KDX. It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > > > more about strong personalities. > > > > > > If anybody would like to kick the tyres they are welcome at > > > 'sevcom.com' port '1984' pass and name 'guest'. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 29 14:51:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36417-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91254 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:51:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 91243 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:51:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:51:06 +0200 From: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Michael Nisi <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=so/NtXRtnCAVAT5GtW6Zu/L6ZzWluFr936kmq+2wZV+9iDhBbfEPgnTyiJOdHbvXNLaMDjvgXpTM4629mbG/MW8ihp1gHPQfWStZ45jcSHN694VWsezd39z8M5Vbaq9KeAS76MM35oda+zV6UmQMeUunZk8PGHK78zphl/SpyCg= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've just blindly did /join microsound on freenode and found it's already there. House occupation is always an option :) irc://irc.freenode.org/microsound Take care, Michael ps. replacing one propretary system by another doen't seem to be that smart On 6/14/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > I felt that Tom might better explain his decision to use KDX. Here is > his response. > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > > To: Julian Knowles > > Subject: Re: thread re KDX sevcom > > > > Interesting. > > > > My response: I am sure the microsound list can understand the need for > > experimentation - in this case in terms of communications. We're about > > 6 months down the track and I think I can answer some questions. > > > > We chose KDX because it works the same on all platforms. We looked at > > a lot of other tools and thought this seemed pretty compact and > > efficient. It fits on a USB key and it works on any machine you care > > to use - take it to India with you! It's also very security minded. > > Bad points - one developer - he's a touch nutty and we don't know when > > the new version comes. But he listened to every one of our requests, > > said some are already happening. We are more about talk than files and > > that's not common. > > > > Community building - is hard work. KDX is not for the lazy sysop. You > > have to have the drive of the small town. One problem is that people > > are confused by 'news'. It's the same as 'mail' but it just seems hard > > to grasp that you can just mail that way - and they feel pressured to > > chat when they don't have to do that. But having said that - once > > you're in KDX it uses up no bandwidth. Just log in and ignore it. We > > even found a new concept we call 'blurking'. You just sit in the chat > > and leave it running all day. Come home at night and see what was said > > all day. The quality of the community is people, not the program. > > > > We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > > the mailing list. Odd. > > > > I would sum it up by saying that you cannot move a mailing list onto a > > KDX. It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > > more about strong personalities. > > > > If anybody would like to kick the tyres they are welcome at > > 'sevcom.com' port '1984' pass and name 'guest'. > > > > Cheers. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 16:21:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36415-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3555 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:21:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 3545 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:21:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:18:14 +0200 From: Roberto Rodrigo =?iso-8859-1?b?TWFzaeE=?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] aesthethic suspension X-Originating-IP: 81.202.60.103 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In my experience in playing or listening to music, I have observed that sometimes I get in a state of "mind suspension". This happens especially I think in improvisated music. There is a moment when you have that particular state that everything is in its place. I could not describe the characteristics of the music in this moment in a "scientifical" or rational way, but my experience is that some people agree when that happens and that is kind of a energetic flow to what you can be opened or not. To start that flow I think intuition is a better thing than strategy. Roberto Rodrigo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 15:28:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36414-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78983 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:28:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 78972 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:28:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:28:36 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <a05200f02bee6ee7c52ff@[192.168.0.101]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <a05200f02bee6ee7c52ff@[192.168.0.101]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > Which leads to my point: that IMHO music is more like a code than > language. It can clearly convey messages that are understood by > 'transmitter and receiver' through some level of agreed cultural > meaning (the less widespread the understanding, the more specialist > the codes - and the music), but unlike text or stoplight codes, the > code of music doesn't convey language, and unlike language (or > 'language about music') it cannot genuinely critique itself, convey a > manifesto, or request another cup of coffee. > I agree, but also feel that meaning can be assigned to anything, by anyone. >> Score one for the neanderthal in the opening scene of 2001space >> Oddesey when he realized a bone can be used to crush some sods head >> with. > > And then he started drumming with it, which IMO encapsulates the > prototype of 'instrumental' military music ; ) > > S. LOL! We use whatever we can to achieve a set goal. That was the gist of that blurb... aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 13:29:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36413-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30608 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:29:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 30597 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:29:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:27:49 +1000 From: Steve Adam <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a05200f02bee6ee7c52ff@[192.168.0.101]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Exegene wrote: >>Employing a stoplight as a morse code transmitter requires that it >>does not function as a stoplight because stoplight as it is cannot >>be seperated from stoplight as traffic control. A spoon and bowl >>can just as well be used to tap out morse code, although in that >>case they would still be able to function as a eating implements, >>but that bears in no way on whether or not "soup slurping" is a >>language. aleks vasic wrote: >Who cares if it does not function as a stop light. It can still be >used as a tool to communicate in the same exact way you and i are >right now. Not entirely the same way. It requires both knowledge of the language *and* knowledge of the stoplight code thru which to interpret that language. In this regard text is indeed a code as well, but it just happens to be one that is recognized by more people. Which leads to my point: that IMHO music is more like a code than language. It can clearly convey messages that are understood by 'transmitter and receiver' through some level of agreed cultural meaning (the less widespread the understanding, the more specialist the codes - and the music), but unlike text or stoplight codes, the code of music doesn't convey language, and unlike language (or 'language about music') it cannot genuinely critique itself, convey a manifesto, or request another cup of coffee. >Score one for the neanderthal in the opening scene of 2001space >Oddesey when he realized a bone can be used to crush some sods head >with. And then he started drumming with it, which IMO encapsulates the prototype of 'instrumental' military music ; ) S. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 06:01:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36412-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86133 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:01:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 86112 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:01:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:10 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well now that you have basically repeated what i sai On Jun 27, 2005, at 10:34 PM, Exegene wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, aleks vasic wrote: > >> >> On Jun 27, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Exegene wrote: > *snip* >>> stoplights convey specific agreed on information, because stoplights >>> can't be used to convey musings on conveying musings with stoplights >>> the use of stoplights can't be taken as language. >> >> You cant use a stop light the same way you can use and old school >> Morse code/ telegraph? Whats the difference between assigning >> meaning to letters/and words and doing the same to a stop light? You >> know i can use a stop light to reproduce all which has been said in >> this thread today by assigning meaning to flashes, colours and what >> not. > *snip* > > Taking the excuse to engage in some slightly slimy post hoc wordplay, > and acknowledging only a particular case of stoplight to facilitate > brevity, the stoplight as it is is a device that will emit one of > three impulses, one signifying "stop", another "go", the last "prepare > to stop." Go is invariably followed by prepare to stop, followed by > stop, followed by go. The only room for variability in impulses > emitted is found in the time between the onset of each. The impulses > are meaningful only to a person operating a vehicle within sight of > and in line to pass under the stoplight. Brilliant... > > Employing a stoplight as a morse code transmitter requires that it > does not function as a stoplight because stoplight as it is cannot be > seperated from stoplight as traffic control. A spoon and bowl can just > as well be used to tap out morse code, although in that case they > would still be able to function as a eating implements, but that bears > in no way on whether or not "soup slurping" is a language. > > Who cares if it does not function as a stop light. It can still be used as a tool to communicate in the same exact way you and i are right now. Score one for the neanderthal in the opening scene of 2001space Oddesey when he realized a bone can be used to crush some sods head with. aLEKs > -- > Dear Patron Saint, > your lips are lopsided > www.devo.com/exegene > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 04:41:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36411-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57585 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:41:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 57575 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:41:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:39:38 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006501c57b9b$68492aa0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <003b01c57b61$780a1ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Exegene; <snip clarification of terms> > "Something like literary theory..." might be most simply expressed as > talking about talking. Assuming this, is there really any culture that > does not have "something like literary theory...?" Well, being capable of selfreferentialness will do as a rough indiction for me now. I would think that this would, according to this definition, make a lot of music apear to be language. We can quote, for example, and exagerate while quoting which would to me strike me as comparable to talking about talking. The equivalent of a exhaustive book on linguistics would be quite hard but I think you could certainly compose a piece that would say something about similarities between minimalist piano pieces and loop-based techno, including citations from important sources in those fields. Such a piece may well be more convincing then a written article on the same topic.... > It is hoped that the proposal or one(many?) to shoulder its burden will > facilitate the creation and use of language in nonverbal communication > forms, ideally allowing, for example, for nonverbal music to be both > political and as expressive and meaningful as the communist manifesto, or > UN declaration of human rights, or what have you. Yes, well, here we have a little problem in that I think music can be selfreferential or refering to other musical expressions in meaningfull ways but it´s not so well suited for writing manifests (exept perhaps for manifests on music itself), declaring rights or reporting on court cases. If we realy wonder wether or not music counts as a language (or what it´d need to become one) we have to wonder wether it needs to be able to talk about arbitrary subjects; many real-life languages won´t have the vocabulary to talk about such matters as nuclear missile design which we clearly can´t hold against them because not all cultures build nuclear missiles. Music, currently, seems to have a vocabulary that´s badly suited for any technical or factually precise discussion but well suited for expressing feelings, moods and so on. One element that strikes me as important is that in music the composer will probably have the feeling he has expressed something and the listener will ideally have the feeling he got some amount of meaning from it. These things may well be very different but the same -if we are honest- holds true for English. However, in the case of music both may well get a sense of a satisfactory comunication out of a complete missmatch between those two, probably more so then with English. To illustrate; a while ago I composed a instrumental piece for a compilation on the subject of the battle for Stalingrad during WOII. Without mentioning the topic I played this to a friend and afterwards asked her what meaning she got from it. She replied that she beleived it to be about the transportation of the jews during the same war (this war wasn´t mentioned previously that afternoon). We now have to wonder wether my piece successfully comunicated something. I would say I was about as successfull as the average person shouting over heavy machinery or music is; some indication of the subject got across but not all of what was said about it. As far as purely political expressions go (and if we are flatering to me as a composer and disregard luck) you could say it was a success since the rejection of nazi practices got across. Personally I suspect that this inherent uncertainity and vagueness may well be a large part of what makes music so enjoyable. Law and contracts may be very exact and non-ambiguous (as far as comunication goes) but they are not realy enjoyable which I´m inclined to look at as a advantage for music in it´s comunicative ablity; if you want to be heard then there´s a lot to be said for making your expressions apealing to your audience. .....Which I suppose comes down more to a set of side-notes on the subject then a real discussion of all of your points. Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 03:16:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36410-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26709 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:16:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 26684 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:16:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:16:20 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***yet another reminder*** To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; heur=0.500(0); stat=0.010; spamtraq-heur=0.500(2005062716)] X-MAIL-FROM: <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-SOURCE-IP: [64.143.55.196] X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-DistLoop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ============================================================ below is a re-post of the info w/r/t the microsound-announcement list for those who have just joined the microsound list: ============================================================ John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce ########################################### - this is where the microsound community should post announcements promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or whatever... ########################################### - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related announcements - after April 8 (last Friday) members still posting announcements to the regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be terminated... - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list or John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list and let them know about the problem you are having... thanks! 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Tue Jun 28 03:15:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36409-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25137 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:15:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 25111 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:15:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:15:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <003b01c57b61$780a1ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z9sHJgOovE4CnUGtvXDy5A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <003b01c57b61$780a1ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_z9sHJgOovE4CnUGtvXDy5A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Kassen wrote: > Exegene; > >> i submit that a language-candidate is indeed a language only if it can be >> used to write a book on literary theory(1). >> 1 - Where book means anything similar to a recorded, transmissible and >> archivable message, literary theory is divorced of western cultural >> imperialism, etc. > > Well, that´s a clear definition, but I fail to see how it´s a good or > usefull one or what the use is of excluding languages (well, canidates, to > you) that have no written form (there are a lot of those) or that belong to > culures that for some reason aren´t so inclined towards literary theory (I > could see some solid reasons for that). Okay. "Book" and "literary theory" may have been poor choices. How about instead "something like a book" and "something like literary theory, depending on what 'something like a book' evaulates to." Mayan calendars, the Finnbogi Saga, and so on satisfy "something like a book." Any language-candidate with words for "speak" and similar probably pass the "something like literary theory..." condition. > It will also immediately raise the question exactly what is literary theory > in this context while we try to sort the savages from the users of language. > "Jack´s song rhimes nicely" and "Error parsing "Exegene" in line 001; > invalid expression" could both be seen as examples of expressions that have > some aspects of literary theory", are they? Suppose we chanced uppon some > group of people that made sounds towards one another; how would we go about > comunicating with them, even if we had a interperter, if we wouldn´t yet be > sure wether they had a language at all? If I´d belong to such a group I´d > immediately claim that yes, you could write a book on language theory in my > language but no, we are not going to do it, being presently engaged in some > other activity. This would leave the poor anthropologist with the task of > trying to write or record a book equivalent in my language. *snip* "Something like literary theory..." might be most simply expressed as talking about talking. Assuming this, is there really any culture that does not have "something like literary theory...?" This phrase of course does not allow the transmission of novel information and can only reference what the receiver already knows on the matter of talking, and needs to be analysed to reveal is secret kernal. Similarly "something like a book" so far i can come up with no rigorous definition for, being able only to list things sufficiently "like a book" in the hopethat its own secret kernel may be meaningfully referenced. Clearly, if the proposal is to be good, useful, or advantageous, the two gaping placeholders will require serious investment of effort. Just who does or does not understand whom does not come into the picture of determining who is in posession of language by the proposed criteria. If the strange people with the strange language-candidate are capable of, say, spreading rumors, recognising those rumors as rumors, and expressing that they are indeed so, they would certainly be in posession of language. To indulge in buzzwords, it's the fractaline complexity of language that is one of its most defining feature, that gives it its expressivity, that can only occur with the potential for significant self-reference. Whether the possibility of self reference require some amount of something like self reference to be already in the memory of the user of the language-candidate in question is a difficult question. But, it seems that the ability to analyse analysis really is so important, because it is a languages equivalent of self-awareness. It's not enough that a person is able to transmit meaning, the language and its words/sagas/tax law reform proposals/LPs/... have to be part of the conversation, possibly holding their own private conversation, too. It is hoped that the proposal or one(many?) to shoulder its burden will facilitate the creation and use of language in nonverbal communication forms, ideally allowing, for example, for nonverbal music to be both political and as expressive and meaningful as the communist manifesto, or UN declaration of human rights, or what have you. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --Boundary_(ID_z9sHJgOovE4CnUGtvXDy5A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_z9sHJgOovE4CnUGtvXDy5A)-- From ???@??? Tue Jun 28 02:35:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36408-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8098 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:35:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 8086 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:35:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:34:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, aleks vasic wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Exegene wrote: *snip* >> stoplights convey specific agreed on information, because stoplights can't >> be used to convey musings on conveying musings with stoplights the use of >> stoplights can't be taken as language. > > You cant use a stop light the same way you can use and old school Morse code/ > telegraph? Whats the difference between assigning meaning to letters/and > words and doing the same to a stop light? You know i can use a stop light to > reproduce all which has been said in this thread today by assigning meaning > to flashes, colours and what not. *snip* Taking the excuse to engage in some slightly slimy post hoc wordplay, and acknowledging only a particular case of stoplight to facilitate brevity, the stoplight as it is is a device that will emit one of three impulses, one signifying "stop", another "go", the last "prepare to stop." Go is invariably followed by prepare to stop, followed by stop, followed by go. The only room for variability in impulses emitted is found in the time between the onset of each. The impulses are meaningful only to a person operating a vehicle within sight of and in line to pass under the stoplight. Employing a stoplight as a morse code transmitter requires that it does not function as a stoplight because stoplight as it is cannot be seperated from stoplight as traffic control. A spoon and bowl can just as well be used to tap out morse code, although in that case they would still be able to function as a eating implements, but that bears in no way on whether or not "soup slurping" is a language. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 23:03:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36407-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18236 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:02:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 18222 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:02:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:02:53 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Never mind Graham answered my question, thanks in advance all who are furiously typing at this moment!;) aLEKs On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:01 PM, aleks vasic wrote: > No your memory does not play tricks. In my sickness i have been > watching some rare TV and caught Forbidden Planet just a few days ago > on some channel( i watch about an hour of TV a week so i am not to > keen on what channels are out there besides cartoon network/Comedy > Channel) > > The scene you described made me sit up in my seat and say, "Wow." > That was cool! > It was very microsoundish. I very much enjoyed all the sound elements > in the film, keeping in mind that the film was made some 40 plus odd > years ago. anyone know who did the sound in that film? The same gent > who did the score? > > > aLEKs > > > On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:47 PM, bobby whn wrote: > >> >> its all about the barron's sound for 'forbidden planet' , i like the >> scene where the doctor plays some >> music made by the alien race which used to inhabit the planet , after >> he's described how immensely >> advanced and intense they were , and its this wonderful bleepy >> semi-microsound-ish (memory plays >> tricks) electronic music. I heard it was made by constructing doomed >> circuits which gradually died >> and produced unique sounds , which were then used for little >> leitmotifs for some of the characters >> also. Anybody know more about this? >> >> -Mr whn (sounds a bit like 'mysteron', heheh) >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Mon Jun 27 23:01:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36406-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16979 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:01:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 16967 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:01:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:01:23 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No your memory does not play tricks. In my sickness i have been watching some rare TV and caught Forbidden Planet just a few days ago on some channel( i watch about an hour of TV a week so i am not to keen on what channels are out there besides cartoon network/Comedy Channel) The scene you described made me sit up in my seat and say, "Wow." That was cool! It was very microsoundish. I very much enjoyed all the sound elements in the film, keeping in mind that the film was made some 40 plus odd years ago. anyone know who did the sound in that film? The same gent who did the score? aLEKs On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:47 PM, bobby whn wrote: > > its all about the barron's sound for 'forbidden planet' , i like the > scene where the doctor plays some > music made by the alien race which used to inhabit the planet , after > he's described how immensely > advanced and intense they were , and its this wonderful bleepy > semi-microsound-ish (memory plays > tricks) electronic music. I heard it was made by constructing doomed > circuits which gradually died > and produced unique sounds , which were then used for little > leitmotifs for some of the characters > also. Anybody know more about this? > > -Mr whn (sounds a bit like 'mysteron', heheh) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 22:49:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36405-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12473 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:49:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 12463 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:49:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:48:15 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx from the liner notes of the album: “We design and construct electronic circuits which function electronically in a manner remarkably similar to the way that lower life-forms function psychologically,” the composers explain. “There is a comprehensive mathematical science explaining it, called ‘Cybernetics,” which is concerned with Control and Communication in the Animal and Machine. It was first propounded by Prof. Norbert Wiener of M.I.T. who found that there are certain natural laws of behaviour applicable alike to animals (including humans) and electronic machines. In scoring FORBIDDEN PLANET ? as in all our work ? we created individual cybernetic circuits for particular themes and leit motifs, rather than using standard sound generators. Actually, each circuit has a characteristic activity pattern as well as a ‘voice.’ Most remarkable is that the sounds which emanate from these electronic nervous systems seem to convey strong emotional meaning to listeners.” there's a great reaktor patch called 'krel' which does this sound justice... do a search on the native instruments page.. g. bobby whn wrote: > its all about the barron's sound for 'forbidden planet' , i like the scene > where the doctor plays some > music made by the alien race which used to inhabit the planet , after he's > described how immensely > advanced and intense they were , and its this wonderful bleepy > semi-microsound-ish (memory plays > tricks) electronic music. I heard it was made by constructing doomed > circuits which gradually died > and produced unique sounds , which were then used for little leitmotifs for > some of the characters > also. Anybody know more about this? > > -Mr whn (sounds a bit like 'mysteron', heheh) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 22:47:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36403-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10067 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:47:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 10057 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:47:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:47:12 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... In-reply-to: <l03130302bee62ba19b56@[213.84.105.55]> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2005 22:47:12.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[287A7130:01C57B6A] its all about the barron's sound for 'forbidden planet' , i like the scene where the doctor plays some music made by the alien race which used to inhabit the planet , after he's described how immensely advanced and intense they were , and its this wonderful bleepy semi-microsound-ish (memory plays tricks) electronic music. I heard it was made by constructing doomed circuits which gradually died and produced unique sounds , which were then used for little leitmotifs for some of the characters also. Anybody know more about this? -Mr whn (sounds a bit like 'mysteron', heheh) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 22:47:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36404-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11127 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:47:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 11117 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:47:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:46:21 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] R: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx knowing williams' creative process and his thoughtfulness, you're probably right. speaking of which, i'm going to see the toronto symphony orchestra do 'star wars' tomorrow and wednesday (hosted by anthony daniels!)... i've been dreaming about this gig for the past 27 years:) very unmicrosound, though. > > > I don't know if John Williams has chosen those 5 notes because of this but > D4 E4 C4 C3 G3 are all in the C1 overtones series > which is not a western harmony's prerogative (though western harmony's > theorists too many times used the overtone series to justify funny rules). > I think this gives a much more wider perspective to his motif. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 22:34:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36402-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1919 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:34:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 1880 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:34:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:33:54 +0200 From: Davide Morelli <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] R: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcV7ZMtwmk6H4S7WRzCD15dJyWIpLgAAUung Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > i always loved that idea in the film, although i find it > highly suspect that the aliens prefer western harmony... > I don't know if John Williams has chosen those 5 notes because of this but D4 E4 C4 C3 G3 are all in the C1 overtones series which is not a western harmony's prerogative (though western harmony's theorists too many times used the overtone series to justify funny rules). I think this gives a much more wider perspective to his motif. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 22:20:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36401-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94979 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:20:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 94963 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:20:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:20:27 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130302bee62ba19b56@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >i find it highly suspect that the aliens prefer western harmony... -You might be disappointed: but aliens are like everybody else in the universe. If you pay enough they play your tune in whatever key you like... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 22:08:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36400-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87546 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:08:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 87536 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:08:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:07:31 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] non-verbal encounters of the 3rd kind... To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx last scene in the movie... light and sound used to communicate to the little aliens... (cue john williams 5 note melodic motif) who would have thought that the intergalactic language would turn out to be synthesis... the aliens seem to have no problem understanding major scales:) i always loved that idea in the film, although i find it highly suspect that the aliens prefer western harmony... now that i'm thinking about, isn't tabla music written out as words, as opposed to notes? and aren't the tabla drum patterns themselves used to communicate specific narratives? "this means something..." weird al. g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 21:56:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36399-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81576 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:55:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 81566 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:55:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:55:55 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 27, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Exegene wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Kassen wrote: > > i submit that a language-candidate is indeed a language only if it can > be used to write a book on literary theory(1). It follows that while > stoplights convey specific agreed on information, because stoplights > can't be used to convey musings on conveying musings with stoplights > the use of stoplights can't be taken as language. You cant use a stop light the same way you can use and old school Morse code/ telegraph? Whats the difference between assigning meaning to letters/and words and doing the same to a stop light? You know i can use a stop light to reproduce all which has been said in this thread today by assigning meaning to flashes, colours and what not. Its just a vessel with which we use in order to communicate. Sure carrying around a stop light with you in your day to day life is not very convenient, and speech and language fill that need in much more efficient manner, but thats not the point here. > > Further consideration of the thread starter seems to support certain > other listees in their belief that nonverbal music may be made > political by means of packaging, titling, and other things external to > the music proper, and that nontraditional and noncommercial music are > inherently political. A small push : the finished track is the > transmissible, marketable congealment of the artist, but is not the > vital truth, the artist's existence, awareness, and life-activities. > Any attempt to keep politics sequestered inside the (nonverbal) music > means allowing the artist's greatest expressive tool - hirself - to be > depoliticized. > > > 1 - Where book means anything similar to a recorded, transmissible and > archivable message, literary theory is divorced of western cultural > imperialism, etc. > Unless i misunderstand you i believe the exact opposite to be true. aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 21:46:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36398-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76797 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:46:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 76786 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:46:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:44:57 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003b01c57b61$780a1ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Exegene; > i submit that a language-candidate is indeed a language only if it can be > used to write a book on literary theory(1). > 1 - Where book means anything similar to a recorded, transmissible and > archivable message, literary theory is divorced of western cultural > imperialism, etc. Well, that´s a clear definition, but I fail to see how it´s a good or usefull one or what the use is of excluding languages (well, canidates, to you) that have no written form (there are a lot of those) or that belong to culures that for some reason aren´t so inclined towards literary theory (I could see some solid reasons for that). It will also immediately raise the question exactly what is literary theory in this context while we try to sort the savages from the users of language. "Jack´s song rhimes nicely" and "Error parsing "Exegene" in line 001; invalid expression" could both be seen as examples of expressions that have some aspects of literary theory", are they? Suppose we chanced uppon some group of people that made sounds towards one another; how would we go about comunicating with them, even if we had a interperter, if we wouldn´t yet be sure wether they had a language at all? If I´d belong to such a group I´d immediately claim that yes, you could write a book on language theory in my language but no, we are not going to do it, being presently engaged in some other activity. This would leave the poor anthropologist with the task of trying to write or record a book equivalent in my language. Sillyness aside, I´m not yet convinced of your proposed definition; I´d realy like to hear some advantages of it. For sure the ability of selfreferntailness is a important stage in culural development but is it so important that we can claim languages that don´t have it (yet) aren´t languages? Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 21:26:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36397-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68891 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:26:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 68881 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:26:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:26:31 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130301bee61eb49198@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Any attempt to keep politics sequestered inside the (nonverbal) music >means >allowing the >artist's greatest expressive tool - hirself - to be >>depoliticized. -If that is the decision of the artist, I don't see any problems with that. It's only the problem of the sycophants, svengali's and other vultures, who want to decide for others. AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 21:17:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36396-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64660 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:17:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 64650 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:17:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:17:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Kassen wrote: > aleks vasic; *snip* >> IMO, or a better description would be complex communication. Using >> your rationale the lights on a stop light, red, yellow, and green are a >> language of sorts. > > Yes. It is debatable indeed wether that is a language. When push comes to > shove I think I believe those things to be a very limited language with just > a few words and hardly any gramar. To me, within the larger context of > comunicating ideas (possibly political ones) through the use of non-verbal > sound the concept of comunication and the transfer of information are much > more interesting then wether something is a actual language, should we be > able to find a definition of "language" that everybody finds satisfactory.. *snip* i submit that a language-candidate is indeed a language only if it can be used to write a book on literary theory(1). It follows that while stoplights convey specific agreed on information, because stoplights can't be used to convey musings on conveying musings with stoplights the use of stoplights can't be taken as language. Further consideration of the thread starter seems to support certain other listees in their belief that nonverbal music may be made political by means of packaging, titling, and other things external to the music proper, and that nontraditional and noncommercial music are inherently political. A small push : the finished track is the transmissible, marketable congealment of the artist, but is not the vital truth, the artist's existence, awareness, and life-activities. Any attempt to keep politics sequestered inside the (nonverbal) music means allowing the artist's greatest expressive tool - hirself - to be depoliticized. 1 - Where book means anything similar to a recorded, transmissible and archivable message, literary theory is divorced of western cultural imperialism, etc. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 21:04:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36395-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58598 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:04:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 58588 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:04:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:02:45 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003601c57b5b$92c74360$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aleks vasic > I can be pretty dense sometimes, also afflicted with tunnel vision here > and there. Rereading your initial post as well as your explanation in > this post, i do not know how i missed the gist of it. Sorry i am sick > and i have a fever, maybe i should refrain from discourse that requires > my brain to function past the thrid grade level! Get well soon. Wars, language, music and 16 year olds with dubious amounts of hair styling carying record bags will still be there for you after your fever is gone again. Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 20:52:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36394-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51904 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:52:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 51891 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:52:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:52:14 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Kassen wrote: > aleks vasic; > >> The use of music on the battle field had a finite set of purposes >> throughout military history. Communication, psychological >> intimidation, morale booster. > > Yes, I agree. What I was trying to say was that such factors also come > in > play in conventional music, in adition to the IMHO comparable element > of > impressing prospective mates and the afiliation with a certain social > tribe. > That last factor may also play a role in military use of sound and > music. > What I intended as the core of my message but which may have been > pushed to > the back by other points is that when those factors play a role in > civilian > music then the influence they have is taken to be caused by aestetic > concerns while very comparable influences in military use are often > asumed > to be purely practical or admitted to signal the kind of thing we´d > rather > not admit to signalling in day to day life on a personal scale. > > I think this muddies that way in which we evaluate the material, > particularly because it would mean multiple levels of comunication > within > music. I can be pretty dense sometimes, also afflicted with tunnel vision here and there. Rereading your initial post as well as your explanation in this post, i do not know how i missed the gist of it. Sorry i am sick and i have a fever, maybe i should refrain from discourse that requires my brain to function past the thrid grade level! >> To the best of my knowledge we are addressing the use of Music and >> instruments on the battlefield as a form of communication , at least >> thats what i responded too from a previous microsounders post. > > Yes, I might have digressed from that a little, back to the > comunicative > sides of sounds and music. > Sorry if that confused. > > I jumped on your discussion of military comunication more to try to > use it > to illustrate sides of non-military music then to engage in a detailed > discussion on battlefield comunication, interesting as that may be > currently > with the word "friendly fire" becoming common. > >> Im sure some personal choice may go into it. But in the spirit of the >> Military tradition, functionality is king. You can play all the >> beatiful songs you want after your enemies are crushed under foot. To >> crush them you need an efficient way to communicate on the field of >> battle. Hence the topic matter. Remember my original opinion was >> that >> using music on the battlefield is not a form of literal communication >> IMO, or a better description would be complex communication. Using >> your rationale the lights on a stop light, red, yellow, and green are >> a >> language of sorts. > > Yes. It is debatable indeed wether that is a language. When push comes > to > shove I think I believe those things to be a very limited language > with just > a few words and hardly any gramar. To me, within the larger context of > comunicating ideas (possibly political ones) through the use of > non-verbal > sound the concept of comunication and the transfer of information are > much > more interesting then wether something is a actual language, should we > be > able to find a definition of "language" that everybody finds > satisfactory.. > > Hope that helps. > Yes it does, but many of your thoughts and opinions open up other cans of worms such as point of reference of an individual, of a culture, context, point of reference of said context. All points you addressed directly or indirectly. As is said i was afflicted with tunnel vision inregards to all non military matter within the topic, again my delerium must be to blame for this! aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 20:23:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36393-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33983 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:23:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 33972 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:23:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:21:59 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003101c57b55$e0c87f80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aleks vasic; > The use of music on the battle field had a finite set of purposes > throughout military history. Communication, psychological > intimidation, morale booster. Yes, I agree. What I was trying to say was that such factors also come in play in conventional music, in adition to the IMHO comparable element of impressing prospective mates and the afiliation with a certain social tribe. That last factor may also play a role in military use of sound and music. What I intended as the core of my message but which may have been pushed to the back by other points is that when those factors play a role in civilian music then the influence they have is taken to be caused by aestetic concerns while very comparable influences in military use are often asumed to be purely practical or admitted to signal the kind of thing we´d rather not admit to signalling in day to day life on a personal scale. I think this muddies that way in which we evaluate the material, particularly because it would mean multiple levels of comunication within music. > > To the best of my knowledge we are addressing the use of Music and > instruments on the battlefield as a form of communication , at least > thats what i responded too from a previous microsounders post. Yes, I might have digressed from that a little, back to the comunicative sides of sounds and music. Sorry if that confused. I jumped on your discussion of military comunication more to try to use it to illustrate sides of non-military music then to engage in a detailed discussion on battlefield comunication, interesting as that may be currently with the word "friendly fire" becoming common. > Im sure some personal choice may go into it. But in the spirit of the > Military tradition, functionality is king. You can play all the > beatiful songs you want after your enemies are crushed under foot. To > crush them you need an efficient way to communicate on the field of > battle. Hence the topic matter. Remember my original opinion was that > using music on the battlefield is not a form of literal communication > IMO, or a better description would be complex communication. Using > your rationale the lights on a stop light, red, yellow, and green are a > language of sorts. Yes. It is debatable indeed wether that is a language. When push comes to shove I think I believe those things to be a very limited language with just a few words and hardly any gramar. To me, within the larger context of comunicating ideas (possibly political ones) through the use of non-verbal sound the concept of comunication and the transfer of information are much more interesting then wether something is a actual language, should we be able to find a definition of "language" that everybody finds satisfactory.. Hope that helps. Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 20:06:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36392-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24124 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:06:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 24096 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:06:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:06:20 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <l03130300bee60a97d78c@[213.84.105.55]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <l03130300bee60a97d78c@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Touche'! LOL! aLEKs On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> fail to see how its relevant to communicating on a battlefield using >>> instruments and bugle calls(Loops!) > -It makes the communication with the enemy much better, because now > they > now where you are and can shoot you more easily.... > > AvS > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + > > ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | > | http://www.schreck.nl/ | > | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | > ` *===========================================================++ > ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | > ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | > ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | > ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | > > ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | > > *===========================================================++ > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 20:00:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36391-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18942 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:00:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 18931 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:00:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:00:08 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300bee60a97d78c@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >fail to see how its relevant to communicating on a battlefield using >>instruments and bugle calls(Loops!) -It makes the communication with the enemy much better, because now they now where you are and can shoot you more easily.... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 19:47:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36390-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10928 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:47:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 10901 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:47:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:47:22 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Language is much broader than signals, although signals are included within language, particularly in the imperative statements: "Wash the dishes. Get that report out by 3 P.M." Signals are commands that are meant to be unambiguous and have a direct effect on the party receiving the communication. A signal could also be entirely mechanical (or biological) with no human involved in the communication process. A chemical in the brain can act as a signal after all. I take spoken language, on the other hand, to include much ambiguity and to include the possibility for multiple interpretations and creative interplay which may or may not have any clear purpose or function. Likewise, musically normally operates in an ambiguous way, as a play of abstract sonorities controlled by arbitrary sets of rules and with any meaning or message tending to be ambiguous. Clearly, however, sound can be used as a command or signal in an UN-ambiguous way, depending on the context. Is not the return of the 4-to-the-floor kick drum after an extended absence not a command to resume dancing in house and techno music? Deleuze and Guattari do some interesting exploration of "order words" and the relationship between language and command (and a signal is a kind of command) - a speech situation which, interestingly, they take as central to language whereas a philosopher like Habermas takes such situations to be marginal and not the "essence" of inter-subjective communication. ~David graham miller wrote: >just to play devil's advocate here, but isn't spoken language just >'signals' too? more complex and multifaceted, yes. more open to multiple >interpretations and ambiguity? yes. but signals none less encoded into >sound deep within the larynx... ditto for written language... every form of >communication, which includes art, falls within the scope of semiotics... > >i'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'literal language' aside from >mathematics, the only form of communication that holds true throughout the >universe (more or less...) >g. > >aleks vasic wrote: > > > >>Well the use of music on the battle field is not "Literal >>communication" Its a form of cumminication that would be better labeld >>as "Signals" Because thats what they were. Just because music can be >>used in ways other then it was intended to, does not make it a literal >>language. I think you can come up with a better example then military >>use of music, which at the time was the best way to communicate over >>small distances. >> >>I never defined music or launguage. Please reread my original post. >> >>aLEKs >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 19:36:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36389-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4568 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:36:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 4545 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:36:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:36:06 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The use of music on the battle field had a finite set of purposes throughout military history. Communication, psychological intimidation, morale booster. To the best of my knowledge we are addressing the use of Music and instruments on the battlefield as a form of communication , at least thats what i responded too from a previous microsounders post. On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Kassen wrote: > I think the line is a little more blurry then that. I once read that > music > originated from young males trying to impress the girls (from time to > time I > get the idea nothing changed when looking at DJ or car audio > culture...) and > there you could argue it´s very much a comunicative signal. Love > songs, the > more political side of punk and so on could all be argued to > comunicate. > Just like a big drum is a good medium to get messages across large > fields > putting you political or romantic aspirations to melody may make them > cary > futher, albeit in a different way. > I see where your going but i fail to see how its relevant to communicating on a battlefield using instruments and bugle calls(Loops!) > In many cases I´m not sure I realy see so much difference particularly > not > because music has many other functions besides just being beautufull. I > think there is for example some element of marking teritory with > portable > instalations meant for high volume such as ghetto blasters. When > picking a > drum from amongst multiple suitable canidates i´m sure the warlords of > old > would want the one that sounded the lowest for reasons very similar to > D&B > producers. In the case of the producer we´d probably call that a > musical > choice, why not in the warlord? Im sure some personal choice may go into it. But in the spirit of the Military tradition, functionality is king. You can play all the beatiful songs you want after your enemies are crushed under foot. To crush them you need an efficient way to communicate on the field of battle. Hence the topic matter. Remember my original opinion was that using music on the battlefield is not a form of literal communication IMO, or a better description would be complex communication. Using your rationale the lights on a stop light, red, yellow, and green are a language of sorts. While logically i would have to agree with you, it would hardly be the choice i would make had i a need to adopt a fform of communication for whatever reason. Its limited, that was the gist of my intitial statement that you responded too. Kinda apples and oranges IMO. > Perhaps it´s pushing it to call it a language but I think those uses of > sound are often very similar in how they map to meaning, even if much > of > this process may be unconcious. Yes, i touched upon this in my previous paragraph. Again i agree. > > Microsound would at first seem to be too abstract to be linked to > comunication in such a blatant way but I think it´s no accident that > Microsound often uses sounds asociated with breaking or broken > products and > that the Microsound comunity is very crtical of comercial companies. > The > impressiveness of the drum sound does not nesicarily have anything to > do > with the functioning of the batalions as such but it´s still there > because > the general needs to urgently express how much more impressive his > army is > and I think this is akin to a Microsound composer that still uses the > sounds > of broken things even when the subject of the piece is -say- > summertime. Thats a stretch IMO, care to elaborate for me incase i am not following you? > > Multiple levels of symbolism and comunication may be intertwined, > perhaps > even conflicting (one MTV leader sounded quite microsoundy to me) but > even > if it´s not possible to "translate" everything coherently all of the > time, > there´s still a lot of cumunication through symbolim going on and > exactly > what part of that is "music" to you may depend more on how you relate > to the > sound and who makes it then to anyhting else. > > My cents, > Kas. > Within Context, sure. aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 19:21:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36388-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92573 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:21:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 92546 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:21:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:19:47 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002001c57b4d$313544c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mr.D > The problem I see is that spoken language is by default a mere copy > of the real thing. We only describe things with spoken languages, we > don't actualize them. "Sold". Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 19:14:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36387-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88903 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:14:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 88893 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:14:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:14:09 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:01 AM, graham miller wrote: > just to play devil's advocate here, but isn't spoken language just > 'signals' too? more complex and multifaceted, yes. more open to > multiple > interpretations and ambiguity? yes. but signals none less encoded into > sound deep within the larynx... ditto for written language... every > form of > communication, which includes art, falls within the scope of > semiotics... The problem I see is that spoken language is by default a mere copy of the real thing. We only describe things with spoken languages, we don't actualize them. In music, things are actualized as new sound, with an ability to be completely and utterly devoid of context except that which defines it in the instant it is created. With languages that use words that have already been created to describe something, we automatically have a cognitive association with the word, so it seems to me that it is impossible to simply divorce words from language. I really like a lot of the work by poets like Retallack (she has some wonderful poetry, besides the great published conversations with Cage) and Mac Low that take pieces and parts of language and diverge their meaning... Cage did a lot of this too, and I also like similar stuff done by cummings, Joyce and Stein. > i'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'literal language' aside from > mathematics, the only form of communication that holds true > throughout the > universe (more or less...) But math falls right into the same trap that word-based languages do. The symbols are only that, signifiers and abstractions of something that's real. Concepts are only concepts because we enumerate them, and exist exclusively from the language that describes them, regardless of whether they are qualitative or quantitative. m --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 19:06:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36386-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84746 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:06:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 84734 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:06:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:05:04 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001b01c57b4b$2228f3c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aleks vasic > Well, the use of INSTRUMENTS, to communicate on the battlefield is not > music in its traditional sense. More along the lines of humans being > problem solvers and using whatever is at hand to solve said problem, in > this case keeping formations in sync, signaling attack and retreats, > and other military gobbledy gook. Its definatley not a language when > compared to literal communication(i assume this to be written word). > Its very limited for todays world, but it did serve its purpose. Non > exhistent in todays military world aside from nostalgia and tradition. I think the line is a little more blurry then that. I once read that music originated from young males trying to impress the girls (from time to time I get the idea nothing changed when looking at DJ or car audio culture...) and there you could argue it´s very much a comunicative signal. Love songs, the more political side of punk and so on could all be argued to comunicate. Just like a big drum is a good medium to get messages across large fields putting you political or romantic aspirations to melody may make them cary futher, albeit in a different way. In many cases I´m not sure I realy see so much difference particularly not because music has many other functions besides just being beautufull. I think there is for example some element of marking teritory with portable instalations meant for high volume such as ghetto blasters. When picking a drum from amongst multiple suitable canidates i´m sure the warlords of old would want the one that sounded the lowest for reasons very similar to D&B producers. In the case of the producer we´d probably call that a musical choice, why not in the warlord? Perhaps it´s pushing it to call it a language but I think those uses of sound are often very similar in how they map to meaning, even if much of this process may be unconcious. Microsound would at first seem to be too abstract to be linked to comunication in such a blatant way but I think it´s no accident that Microsound often uses sounds asociated with breaking or broken products and that the Microsound comunity is very crtical of comercial companies. The impressiveness of the drum sound does not nesicarily have anything to do with the functioning of the batalions as such but it´s still there because the general needs to urgently express how much more impressive his army is and I think this is akin to a Microsound composer that still uses the sounds of broken things even when the subject of the piece is -say- summertime. Multiple levels of symbolism and comunication may be intertwined, perhaps even conflicting (one MTV leader sounded quite microsoundy to me) but even if it´s not possible to "translate" everything coherently all of the time, there´s still a lot of cumunication through symbolim going on and exactly what part of that is "music" to you may depend more on how you relate to the sound and who makes it then to anyhting else. My cents, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 18:34:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36385-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70818 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:34:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 70788 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:34:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:34:25 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, the use of INSTRUMENTS, to communicate on the battlefield is not music in its traditional sense. More along the lines of humans being problem solvers and using whatever is at hand to solve said problem, in this case keeping formations in sync, signaling attack and retreats, and other military gobbledy gook. Its definatley not a language when compared to literal communication(i assume this to be written word). Its very limited for todays world, but it did serve its purpose. Non exhistent in todays military world aside from nostalgia and tradition. I just felt that this was a bad example. Inregards to literal language, maybe i am using the term incorrectly? Every culture and demographic on the planet has developed one, wether its taught in the written form or verbally. Sure you can compare it to many things and have a valid argument, but i am more interested in what is used in the real world(efficient communication) in this example. Another fun factoid. Through the use of math, all written word(literal communication) is universal. Was it guess work that helped us break down the meaning of hieroglyphics?(Math makes it very efficient guess work!:)) How about the enigma machine via WWII? It can be argued that this device could be used to communicate with any intelligent life in the universe. aLEKs On Jun 27, 2005, at 2:01 PM, graham miller wrote: > just to play devil's advocate here, but isn't spoken language just > 'signals' too? more complex and multifaceted, yes. more open to > multiple > interpretations and ambiguity? yes. but signals none less encoded into > sound deep within the larynx... ditto for written language... every > form of > communication, which includes art, falls within the scope of > semiotics... > > i'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'literal language' aside from > mathematics, the only form of communication that holds true throughout > the > universe (more or less...) > g. > > aleks vasic wrote: > >> Well the use of music on the battle field is not "Literal >> communication" Its a form of cumminication that would be better >> labeld >> as "Signals" Because thats what they were. Just because music can be >> used in ways other then it was intended to, does not make it a literal >> language. I think you can come up with a better example then >> military >> use of music, which at the time was the best way to communicate over >> small distances. >> >> I never defined music or launguage. Please reread my original post. >> >> aLEKs >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 18:02:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36384-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55458 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:02:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 55441 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:02:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:01:02 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx just to play devil's advocate here, but isn't spoken language just 'signals' too? more complex and multifaceted, yes. more open to multiple interpretations and ambiguity? yes. but signals none less encoded into sound deep within the larynx... ditto for written language... every form of communication, which includes art, falls within the scope of semiotics... i'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'literal language' aside from mathematics, the only form of communication that holds true throughout the universe (more or less...) g. aleks vasic wrote: > Well the use of music on the battle field is not "Literal > communication" Its a form of cumminication that would be better labeld > as "Signals" Because thats what they were. Just because music can be > used in ways other then it was intended to, does not make it a literal > language. I think you can come up with a better example then military > use of music, which at the time was the best way to communicate over > small distances. > > I never defined music or launguage. Please reread my original post. > > aLEKs > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 17:50:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36383-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48768 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:50:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 48754 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:50:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:50:00 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well the use of music on the battle field is not "Literal communication" Its a form of cumminication that would be better labeld as "Signals" Because thats what they were. Just because music can be used in ways other then it was intended to, does not make it a literal language. I think you can come up with a better example then military use of music, which at the time was the best way to communicate over small distances. I never defined music or launguage. Please reread my original post. aLEKs On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Exegene wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, aleks vasic wrote: > *snip* >> Literal communication is not music, music was never intended to be >> so by itself. >> >> Music can be reworked into a language very easily. Then literal >> communication could take place, but then it would cease to be music, >> and become literal language. > *snip* > > Music has been used to convey specific, agreed on meaning(the word > literal has no place describing meaning conveyed without word or text) > by means of martial marches, battlefield orders given through drums > and brass, communication by australian aborigines through didgeridoo > across miles of desert. All blurring the lines in their own, more or > less verbal ways are also yodeling, the whistle language of the > canary(?) islands, and throat singing of tuva. > > It seems premature and unnecessarily restrictive to outright define > music and language as entirely seperate. > > -- > Dear Patron Saint, > your lips are lopsided > www.devo.com/exegene > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 27 14:28:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36382-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63909 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 63899 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:25:14 -0400 From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] [announce] COZYSCSHOP - GOTO10 supercollider workshop july2005 - LONDON To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx beep sorry for x,y and z beep --- a SC workshop for the openlab friends and family in London. brought to you by jan kees of goto10! SuperCollider is a programming environment for real-time audio generation. It is one of the finest and most versatile softwares for musical applications of all kinds, such as algorithmic composition, interactive performance and sound installations. In this workshop, primary focus is learning to effectively apply SuperCollider for our own sound synthesis & performance needs. --- SCHEDULE SATURDAY | 1pm -> 6pm = hands on ! | 6pm till late = food + beer + jam SUNDAY | 1pm -> 6pm = hands on ! | 6pm till late = bbq + beer --- please note that although the workshop is free/donation, please send a mail to book your place so that we can prepare the workshop for the right number of people. --- :DATE: JULY 2nd-3rd 2005 :HOST: openlab http://www.pawfal.org/openlab/ :LANGUAGE: english :FEE: Free free! but donation would be nice:) :LOCATION: 51-53 city road, london (old street tube station,exit 3 | 4) :FOOD&DRINKS: we will prepare some soft drink but do bring your own sandwidth :HOUSING: not included :HARDWARE: bring your own laptop :BOOKING: chun -at- goto10 -dot- org --- http://goto10.org/-/cozyscshop.html --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 26 14:16:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36381-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94135 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:16:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 94125 invoked from network); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:16:08 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tastes like microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, brine <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b4H4hifP4HuACLxKCmTgbi0T2iJdJbYqwVzpTMWF96o0LOiDCJb1kaUJd3nMEcNjoIVyaCtL/7A042g0pkxrgJj1jsgjBuWCSJu5lRTGv0i9pgxYIBl2OS6oOW4dHEAuU/dj09VlavoLOiyD1GIgkU2kl5tPBywNlzaF+GQFhxM= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well said. it's all very true. but also very false. b/g --- brine <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i definitely agree with this sentiment. > there's an awful lot to be said for wide-eyed > exploration. > and at the same time.. a friend once quoted > someone-or-other-who-is-regarded-as-'important' as > having once said > something to the effect of "the only reason for > abject experimentation in > art is the purpose of avoiding the straightforward > expression of an honest > emotion." > i wrote it off immediately, but it stayed with me > and continues to gnaw at > me. > i think there's something to it. i don't think it's > dead-on or anything.. > but i do think that experimentation for > experimentation's sake can become as > much of a crutch as imitative catharsis for > imitative catharsis' sake. > > i suppose all i'm really saying is that there's no > proper way to simplify or > formulize the process. > and i guess it's just best to allow yourself to be > surprised and try not to > get defensive about it. > > i'm sure this has all been said before, too. > frequently. > > my.02 > -b. > > On 6/10/05, Barry Grant <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > > My speculation, based on my own experience, is > that if one doesn't regard > > music (only) as a source of consolation or > nostaligia, it can become a vast > > area to be explored and one can find lots of very > different things to like > > for very different reasons. Just like with > literature or painting or any > > other art form. > > > > Barry > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 26 02:11:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36380-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19475 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:11:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 19464 invoked from network); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:11:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:11:49 +0900 From: michael noble <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [tech] Multitrack for OS X? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx.x.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: michael noble <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=np8z6RZqrpVYNxXAL9RS+CRIAnDPJfyYWUlOeot5Rbdria/rQQrAfvxTPKSJvUgZoMpuU860y6oCv2cUSI+az43Rr7hsNPhiMoYRiITGHBWq3k4OVbhpp5vez+wM1fg34gA2l1HsZmtC0phBux4DslDJnILqzYLzvwcwhWH9W58= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx.x.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, if you're feeling adventurous, there is a beta version of the free Ardour multitrack software (ardour.org) floating around the web (try www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/ArdourX/ ). I've only used Ardour under linux, but if the OSX version is up to scratch then it could be very useful. regards omjn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 25 18:51:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36379-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93924 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:51:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 93914 invoked from network); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:51:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:51:33 -0500 From: Rob Danielson <xxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [tech] Multitrack for OS X? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06110401bee357504e4c@[172.16.1.34]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx At 8:38 AM -0700 6/25/05, Phil Thomson wrote: >Hi all, > >Aside from Audacity, which i find can only handle about 4 tracks at a >time, what recommendations can people make for a multitrack app for OS >X? Hopefully free or cheap. Reply offlist if you think your response >would pollute the rarified atmosphere of the list. > >PT > > >-- >Phil Thomson, BFA, MFA There used to be a free version of Tracktion by Mackie thats a pretty full featured ap-- supports recording many tracks, automation, plugs etc. The free deal was extended but I'm not sure what the current offering is. Start at the Mackie website. There's a PC version too. Rob D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 25 18:44:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36378-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91751 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:44:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 91740 invoked from network); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:44:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:39:50 +0200 From: nicola catalano <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] CD inserts In-reply-to: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <v03110700bee34dfd8a50@[151.24.222.14]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Im wondering if anyone on the list has a template for laying out CD jewel >case inserts for appleworks? >Ive trawled the web and can only find leads, never an actual template. >When I make my own, they are always inaccurate in some way. >TIA >Rob i'm not sure i've understood what you need, but i think "cover xp" is what you're looking for. can't remember the url now, but going googlin' helps for sure. there's a pro version (can't remember the cost) and free version too, which is okay for... well... minimal necessities. bye. nic + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "objective reality is an artificial construction, which has to do with a hypothetical universalization of a multitude of subjective realities." philip k. dick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 25 18:15:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36377-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82491 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:15:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 82481 invoked from network); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:15:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:13:22 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [tech] Multitrack for OS X? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 25, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Phil Thomson wrote: > Hi all, > > Aside from Audacity, which i find can only handle about 4 tracks at a > time, what recommendations can people make for a multitrack app for OS > X? Hopefully free or cheap. It's not free or cheap, but Bias Deck is the only real thing I've seen. Actually Deck LE is only $99, so if it does what you need (and I suspect it does), go with that. Faux-hardware fades make me vomit, but otherwise it is alright. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 25 16:53:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36376-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62948 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:53:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 62938 invoked from network); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:53:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:53:50 -0700 From: brine <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tastes like microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: brine <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5T25OQdyIF9jY5TbBd2eNQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=svQdfkp6cbPsFaAcO0K3dKRQ6/7tAWIZR1ZHTIewYbg2ko+CKipy1c/RggpBbyzw6UlqwExh7adkShGjSL3Re+8PcXQw5PIR8HN8wjY+d6WWaltD8FB0e7+jklv8s/LOxb+QBCYtc/oQVyqtL4faleUN/p58hky9811DtepWRNI= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_5T25OQdyIF9jY5TbBd2eNQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i definitely agree with this sentiment. there's an awful lot to be said for wide-eyed exploration. and at the same time.. a friend once quoted someone-or-other-who-is-regarded-as-'important' as having once said something to the effect of "the only reason for abject experimentation in art is the purpose of avoiding the straightforward expression of an honest emotion." i wrote it off immediately, but it stayed with me and continues to gnaw at me. i think there's something to it. i don't think it's dead-on or anything.. but i do think that experimentation for experimentation's sake can become as much of a crutch as imitative catharsis for imitative catharsis' sake. i suppose all i'm really saying is that there's no proper way to simplify or formulize the process. and i guess it's just best to allow yourself to be surprised and try not to get defensive about it. i'm sure this has all been said before, too. frequently. my.02 -b. On 6/10/05, Barry Grant <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > My speculation, based on my own experience, is that if one doesn't regard > music (only) as a source of consolation or nostaligia, it can become a vast > area to be explored and one can find lots of very different things to like > for very different reasons. Just like with literature or painting or any > other art form. > > Barry > > --Boundary_(ID_5T25OQdyIF9jY5TbBd2eNQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Jun 25 16:22:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36375-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55755 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:22:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 55745 invoked from network); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:22:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] CD inserts To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 28 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xFpeRR973WtT8a3dr1tbgg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_xFpeRR973WtT8a3dr1tbgg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im wondering if anyone on the list has a template for laying out CD jewel case inserts for appleworks? Ive trawled the web and can only find leads, never an actual template. When I make my own, they are always inaccurate in some way. TIA Rob --Boundary_(ID_xFpeRR973WtT8a3dr1tbgg)-- From ???@??? Sat Jun 25 15:39:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36374-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43934 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:39:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 43924 invoked from network); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:39:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:38:58 -0700 From: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [tech] Multitrack for OS X? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pic1qFnQGd90Z37Ah2ZIMYh0L7t6rJjMdDTjvsAK2g0R5LGC3IiZ5aG3isFlpa8x36q55UbP0zOBjVw3vIU8+s9LRGfX8Zm4203hwF8USk2eybHPRHUw9WNxF6UT2KYPCftW0TH1sVLX8hx1KB8B2EG9PS6x4dHd3yXwS/CiaCc= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all, Aside from Audacity, which i find can only handle about 4 tracks at a time, what recommendations can people make for a multitrack app for OS X? Hopefully free or cheap. Reply offlist if you think your response would pollute the rarified atmosphere of the list. PT -- Phil Thomson, BFA, MFA 010100000110100001101001011011000010000001010100011010000110111101101101011100110110111101101110 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 22:20:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36373-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67331 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:20:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 67304 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:19:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:22:22 -0500 From: //jonCates <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Scott C snds fantastic in support of sandy slippage + pouring snd into snd via summer // jonCates # http://www.r4wb1t5.org # http://www.criticalartware.net # http://www.systemsapproach.net On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer > while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, > perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor > location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately > summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is > appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with > headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make > sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be separated, > summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is > impossible to separate. > > - Scott C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 20:40:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36372-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30668 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:40:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 30658 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:40:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:40:00 -0600 From: Jeff Shell <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jeff Shell <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GsGOEm6JV1bDzzgmu6PcJVVHSJ3yjRn0sZeLlCXgJ6M6R5VY+kfC6Z+YTo8VZrh3gcwN1Tdy2Go9stDim5hWmXzJadAKxRkxOlG4dXno9gAjzwJ15i/XSECFUkg1u8DAHUBy6AnOHo7RcfXj9FaWVEeLu/cU/J3jJGdX8CW5t6Y= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/17/05, nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > synthetic peices that sound like summer / make one think of summer. > > synthetic summer soundscapes > > what does summer sound like anyway? Like bright lights and cold wet sand. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 18:06:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36371-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54326 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:06:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 54314 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:06:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:07:16 +0200 From: th_ost <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: AW: [microsound] what electronic music communicates [was: being 'political'] In-reply-to: <v03110702bee177052ee8@[151.24.155.178]> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c578e7$8e9f4bf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #3048294 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >curiosly zappa used to say: "talking about music is like dancing about >architecture". I wish there was more architecture that makes me dance...:) .... °~° Beyond Good, Evil, AND Nietzsche... http://www.tomoroh.com/ >Music for Connoisseurs< ~°~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 17:36:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36369-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38369 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:36:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 38359 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:36:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:36:40 -0700 From: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pqsesJ7K8zBUwCMqXuzL2V8WyJJEQDyjm1nh6UOkdYOxdm19s19nFZKB2AggWog/8Oz5nsL3bZremOZ/dMoKEaG5vfTqWk0y+xFS3jznC8D1dljtpR6nDyjgul+rYuaxoMxDF9jFTAbziIFS66ub6xZxJuu80W7s4to2jeXgsrY= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i was wondering if anyone is doing anything with and/or about this? there seems to be alot of ideas in this thread, and i'm sure they all fall under some abstract category.. someone just needs to give a name to this category, pull a finalized list of interested people, and set a deadline.. this may require going through the thread and pulling out all the ideas and/or arguments to identify a common theme. i'm sure someone will offer hosting and a repository, if thats done -- and if they don't i can. but maybe this was just a discussion about the viability of a project with a summertime theme and i am confused. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 17:30:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36368-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34600 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:30:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 34589 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:30:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:39:19 -0400 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?B?sLcut2A7Jy4ut7AgJ7c=?= ." <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Tiger + microsound software In-reply-to: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEE1AF77.3006%xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ·.·`·.· . xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Geschrieben hat .·.·`·.·'·.. . . . . . hallo, have you installed TclTk 8.4 ? do you have pure-data of some variety installed prior; if so, it may be the wrong version of TclTk and discompatibility issues may result. do read the release notes with cecilia! [i assume you did - but just in case you forgot or not noticed] good luck! . 1001 > I recently got a new (mac) machine and I am enjoying the splendours of OS > 10.4.1. > Im trying to get Cecilia to work, and I just cannot. > If there is anybody on this list who is successfully using Cecilia with > Tiger, could you explain to me how this can be done? > Feel free to email me off list, although it may well be of interest if anyone > else is using Cecilia and in a similar jam. > Regards > Rob > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 17:40:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36370-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40910 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:40:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 40898 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:40:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:39:35 +0200 From: nicola catalano <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what electronic music communicates [was: being 'political'] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <v03110702bee177052ee8@[151.24.155.178]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv2 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >I've always maintained there's not enough Zappa in electronic music. > > curiosly zappa used to say: "talking about music is like dancing about architecture". cheers. nic + + + + + + + + + + + + + + { { d i s c o g r a p h y } } z_e_l_l_e | nth | line (http://www.12k.com) aug 2001 z_e_l_l_e | rjctd::nw | cubicfabric (http://www.cubicmusic.com/fabric/index.html) nov 2003 "zen enlightenment lifts life energy" on tu M'p3 (http://www.tu-m.com) jan 2002 "shayozoku" on tu M'p3 (http://www.tu-m.com) sept 2002 "tief herz" on lib. (http://www.cubicmusic.com/fabric/index.html) june 2003 "rjctd 11" on netmage 04 @ the wire 239 (http://www.netmage.it) or (http://www.thewire.co.uk) jan 2004 UPCOMING "kitanai" on star6_789' v.2 (http://www.star6789.tk/) TBA SOUND EXHIBITION "rjctd 9" (from rjctd::nw) @ Ecoute | Centre Pompidou | Paris, France | 22 Sept, 2004 - 17 Jan, 2005 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | REVIEWS http://www.12k.com/line/linepress.htm | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "battiti" daily radio programme (12:00am) on rai-radio3 :: third channel of italian national broadcasting company http://www.radio.rai.it/radio3/battiti/index.cfm | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | columnist on: "blow up" (monthly) http://www.blowupmagazine.com "rumore" (monthly) http://www.rumoremag.com + + + + + + + + + + + + + + NICOLA CATALANO c/o MAURIZIO MARTUSCIELLO Via Sant'Arcangelo di Romagna, 45 00127 Roma Italia ph. ++39 06 52370975 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 03:07:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36367-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35581 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:07:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 35571 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:07:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:06:53 -0700 From: John Hopkins <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06100507bee126c6c186@[192.168.0.6]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey folks, missed most of this thread on account of doing a nice roadtrip from SF (nice dinner with Mr. C. ;-)) across the Sierras, some days in the UFO regions of NV, to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon for a bit, and to central Arizona... inspiring sights and sounds... anyway... two-sense: just meditating on this thread -- I think there are (political) concepts of revolutionary and reactionary that map into creative spaces (making "political sounds") as following: revolutionary -- taking creative energies and configuring them in ways that (the listener) has not been exposed to or is unexpected to them -- propelling the listener into an unfamiliar space -- the locus of the unknown is a seed site for revelation/revolution, change, and transformation :: dynamic, alive reactionary -- re-presenting the known in known and recognized formulas -- does not move the listener into an unknown space, rather into a space of comfort and safety -- supporting a status-quo situation :: static, dead so when the regime presently in power in the US talks about the "culture of life," it is nothing they know about, and at best is wishful thinking from a polarized ideological situation. the Liberals fall into status quo in equal measure. forget the safety of labels of any sort. seek what you cannot describe to others or circumscribe to yourself... cheers jh -- -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tech-no-mad::hypnostatic:: exploring the desert once again domain: http://neoscenes.net travelog: http://neoscenes.net/travelog/weblog.php -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 02:27:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36366-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23205 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:27:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 23195 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:27:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:26:54 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Jon wrote: >> Well, the answer would then be no. Nor could you create a >> sentence, or an act, or a symbol or anything else that could be >> identified as political, or anything. If you remove all the >> "programming" (and by this I assume you mean the ability to >> reference and compare one experience with another), then nothing >> means anything and I fail to see the point of even asking about it. >> > > goddam -- kevin -- thank you. i agree completely. i'm sick of > constant "art in a vacuum" to-ing and fro-ing. context/programming > - it's simple and fundamental to the concept of meaning. any > linguist will tell you. The reason you hear so much "art in a vacuum" to-ing and fro-ing, I suspect, is that people do not want to believe their personal art is context dependent, and hence, can never be "timeless". This causes feelings of unease regarding one's own sense of mortality, hence the large amount of warbling sine wave academic faux-timeless crap created in denial (or in spite of) of the truth. Just an idea of course. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 02:19:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36365-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19072 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:19:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 19061 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:19:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:19:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Bill Ashline wrote: *snip* > I am insisting that outside of an interpretive framework, sound has no > meaning whatsoever, other than the meaning you wish to place on it, > which you are certainly allowed to do. As for being "ultimately *snip* But sound is only listened to as music by people, all people have culture, and so sound is always listened to inside an interpretive framework. Until the no one who heard the tree falling can report back on the meaning of what they heard, everyone who hears a tree falling will have no choice but to associate with it meaning. Because the framework is always available, sound can always be considered music, and music can always have impressed and perceived meanings. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 02:06:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36364-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14175 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:06:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 14165 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:06:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:06:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Damian Stewart wrote: > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics and > which has no voice samples? *snip* This may be akin to asking "how do I give a moving speech without using any words or gestures?" or "how do I build a chair without using my hands or any tools?" It has by now been pointed out enough that context matters. It sounds like you are approaching the issue with a nod to the universal, and so refuse any ephemera such as the mentioned recording of barcelonans banging away in reaction to the most noxious current example of western imperialism because, in terms specific to this recording, nobody fifty years ago or almost nobody today in the usa or probably nobody in five hundred years and so on will be able to pick up on the very precise intended meaning, that is, alyrical music requring an understanding of real world context to convey meaning is not univerally understandable, is less meaningful than it could or is wished to be. But, while it is the rare piece of information with popular currency that lasts the ages, there have always been and will always be unfortunately disposable ideas and reflections of ideas; the specific availablility of identity of an ephemerum(?) may not be universal, but the presence of unforeseeable ephemera is. A sample of, say, GWB provides the hooks biting into the flesh of the listener strung to the artist's intended meaning in a way similar to provision by the words you read at this very moment, indeed relevant samples and related can be thought of as the words available to modern music. To return to analogy, a conscious minor restriction in words allowed can make for an interesting experiment(Try spending some time in normal conversation without saying the words "I", "me", "my", or "mine." Bonus points for creativity.), a wordless conversation can make for a fulfilling session of expression while causing the casual onlooker to roll their eyes, but engaging in more or less normal declaration or discourse without any word available in any dictionary is sheer foolishness. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 24 01:41:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36363-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6516 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:41:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 6502 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:41:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:40:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, aleks vasic wrote: *snip* > Literal communication is not music, music was never intended to be so by > itself. > > Music can be reworked into a language very easily. Then literal > communication could take place, but then it would cease to be music, and > become literal language. *snip* Music has been used to convey specific, agreed on meaning(the word literal has no place describing meaning conveyed without word or text) by means of martial marches, battlefield orders given through drums and brass, communication by australian aborigines through didgeridoo across miles of desert. All blurring the lines in their own, more or less verbal ways are also yodeling, the whistle language of the canary(?) islands, and throat singing of tuva. It seems premature and unnecessarily restrictive to outright define music and language as entirely seperate. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 23:47:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36362-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65519 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:47:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 65500 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:47:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:47:35 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130301bee0fa1ae806@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >fundamental to the concept of meaning. -But this depends on the perspective within which it is presented. 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Thu Jun 23 23:29:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36361-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58317 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:29:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 58306 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:29:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:34:47 +1000 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Well, the answer would then be no. Nor could you create a sentence, or > an act, or a symbol or anything else that could be identified as > political, or anything. If you remove all the "programming" (and by > this I assume you mean the ability to reference and compare one > experience with another), then nothing means anything and I fail to > see the point of even asking about it. goddam -- kevin -- thank you. i agree completely. i'm sick of constant "art in a vacuum" to-ing and fro-ing. context/programming - it's simple and fundamental to the concept of meaning. any linguist will tell you. --- dizzydonor.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 21:08:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36360-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91901 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:08:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 91890 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:08:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:08:28 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music X-Originating-IP: 66.72.201.250 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Server: ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx How can one define an emotion? You can't. You can describe the action, or how it has affect/effected you. Poets try to describe the feeling, the sensation but can only attempt to describe the picture/ to create a picture to better understand. So, through music can we discribe the emotion of summer? The feeling one gets through memory? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Ponto" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:40:29 -0700 > > On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Bill Ashline wrote: > > The only way you get the > > hell out of the way when a bus sounds its horn is because you've been > > programmed to read that sound as a warning and an alert. That's > > culture, of course, but without that, it's just another sound. So > > back to the original question, can you create a sound that contains an > > inherent politics outside of a discursive form that identifies it as > > such? I have yet to see one solitary example that demonstrates such a > > possibility. > > > Well, the answer would then be no. Nor could you create a sentence, > or an act, or a symbol or anything else that could be identified as > political, or anything. If you remove all the "programming" (and by > this I assume you mean the ability to reference and compare one > experience with another), then nothing means anything and I fail to > see the point of even asking about it. > > > k > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 20:40:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36359-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78712 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:40:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 78701 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:40:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:40:29 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Bill Ashline wrote: > The only way you get the > hell out of the way when a bus sounds its horn is because you've been > programmed to read that sound as a warning and an alert. That's > culture, of course, but without that, it's just another sound. So > back to the original question, can you create a sound that contains an > inherent politics outside of a discursive form that identifies it as > such? I have yet to see one solitary example that demonstrates such a > possibility. Well, the answer would then be no. Nor could you create a sentence, or an act, or a symbol or anything else that could be identified as political, or anything. If you remove all the "programming" (and by this I assume you mean the ability to reference and compare one experience with another), then nothing means anything and I fail to see the point of even asking about it. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 16:35:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36358-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41233 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:35:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 41223 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:35:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:35:41 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what electronic music communicates [was: being 'political'] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300bee094fba7eb@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >"headspaces" (something that music is undoubtedly great at communicating) >as a >type of feeling. -A.K.A.: hangover... 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Thu Jun 23 16:13:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36357-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28636 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:12:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 28623 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:12:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:12:52 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what electronic music communicates [was: being 'political'] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AIvS9qoIoh43J+07i+y9iFxzSpVVDWBYiCxivtDsncnAnRZqVwMrhJkVL/1pvcwYNLxaWMhm3hShGzZncQ0yTZSKCfi+3FY+8kcpwpoxX60yOGkE6h/5Djnr9bD5cUXqwkAL4QWWcSA8EBwuVv5MvIAsCI4uk1TmAQ9ONJOdXK0= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/23/05, Mr.D <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I've always maintained there's not enough Zappa in electronic music. Seriously. On 6/23/05, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I think electtronic music is about communicating headspaces, actually. If I understand what you're referring to here (and I think I do), we're in agreement. I would classify "headspaces" (something that music is undoubtedly great at communicating) as a type of feeling. - QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 15:15:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36356-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92809 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:15:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 92799 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:15:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=deWHY6zVHPsomKWui/5ZKu4bkUuRNgnbFWOVCe4lUsvI6n9gO+B3JGhlljME06Fr1vOwpo05ySshsWXZ4BefVhOVBRZ+syuV2AxIp5DgQ3m4aqEZO6uovK19mKDX6l7JqSDHOpIMcORgGuYBuhxD1USkk35e6ba7oYVL1WjGvwQ= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline wrote: > > I am insisting that outside of an interpretive > framework, sound has no > > Damian Stewart replied: Can we even speak meaningfully of sound 'outside of > an interpretive > framework'? > > Doesn't this just mean sound that is heard by no-one > and/or recorded in > no way? (Or recorded and not listened to.) > > Can we say anything useful about or via this > concept? I think this very question might have been behind my initial motivations for getting into this thread. When I said that sound is always being interpreted or always tending to become meaningful and then recounted my story of Derrida, I was basically saying that we are involved in a autonomously renewing poetic process. I do not agree that we have the unshakeable knowledge to say that anything is inherently without meaning, anything. My take on Derrida (as it relates by analogy to this issue) might be a bit "talmudic" but I take the undecidability (between there being a tending toward meaning and there being no one true meaning) in the strictest sense. When we declare something to be inherently without meaning we have put it in a place already. We deny it the possibility of having a voice. Not allowing that something may have a voice is the first step in it's exploitation. So my own approach to sound is rather to wait and listen. --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 14:54:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36355-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80755 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:54:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 80742 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:54:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:54:48 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what electronic music communicates [was: being 'political'] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've always maintained there's not enough Zappa in electronic music. On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:42 AM, Damian Stewart wrote: > A response I'm working towards in my own music is the giggle.. If I > write something and kind of let myself get carried away without > thinking too much, and then at some point in the future sudden > listen critically and find myself giggling, then I feel like I'm > doing something interesting. Bloody hard to bring about that state > of mind though. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 14:54:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36354-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79603 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:54:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 79579 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:54:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:54:09 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It may have no vocal content itself, but it references vocal content. Already I have an idea of what this work probably communicates, only knowing it's based on a religious-bound theme. :) On Jun 22, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Jon wrote: > > > i don't know if you have heard it or have access to it, but john > baker (of the bbc radiophonic workshop) has a piece with a very > clear, well-defined and instantly decodable message -- with no use > of vocal material. i think you will find it enriching as an > example, particularly in its simplicity -- there is no need to > theorise over it one bit to get what it means. (and let's face > it. if you want it to be widely legible, it needs to be clear. > you can't rely on derrida to create your public.) > > the tune in question is merely "o come all ye faithful" (a popular > christmas carol) played by the bell of a cash register drawer. > simple and way more effective (and powerful) than any sine wave > composition i've ever heard. > > "christmas commercial" - john baker. > > > > > --- > dizzydonor.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 14:38:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36353-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71936 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:38:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 71925 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:38:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1J/vcsScOvAhdFGuGtwREw/kTzLUyZYNHntnCYY7ELBSt0X2bitPjpHUh4lV1w73s2fbvNsoj/BD/KZqrS9DiUT3RsQKvkNtwuo6KN95bJtYBAarYN7d4FdImzxYN1tA5FpCAVfqVCuhqWIziXLeCiF/mO6qxFAZGWu0BrzglyM= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx He believes deeply in broken == good. He likes finding busted sound gear in dumpsters he ought to be careful not get caught inside! but seriously, i guess i must say this interests me, enough so that my latest cdr release called "realism and the revolution in recorded sound" is all made with defective items. the heap of the pile was the sound card i got bilked for 200 bucks for on ebay...but more on that in the official announcement later...thanks for your posts damian... jeff gbk --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 14:05:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36352-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59708 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:05:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 59694 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:05:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4xIw9NHBy9bfv2dF4m9KoAf2HalmghdLfANZqYCrJX774jjw+UI5rmGm7IgKi13Iaepe/W5Q44JuCNBr3HtIA20MoWD7gdkkCZqZF0RJPAlsQKuDoSEQFgrFsjiIMmwUdkWmXSA2sn7Sl4drs3drRYnO++jOyAi68DQOO8RTmCs= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The problem with non-verbal music being percieved as political is that the listener experience can be so highly subjective (and maybe intuitive) that it doesn't particularly engender a similar wide scale response. I think *genres* of music, on the macro-level, can create an atmosphere where people can become highly politicized (like the more political sides of techno in the US and EU). ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 13:07:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36351-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31209 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:07:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 31195 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:07:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:07:39 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <000001c577cd$5d16bf20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000001c577cd$5d16bf20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kassen wrote: > I second you on Linux though, some people still use Amigas and Ataris for > music too, much to my delight. My friend Warwick does a solo show involving a Commodone Vic-20 and a guitar and a collection of effects units and mixers and toys in various states of disrepair. He believes deeply in broken == good. He likes finding busted sound gear in dumpsters and 'seeing what happens' when he plugs input into it. Or rewires it and then plugs input into it. He tries not to use musical devices in the ways that they were intended.. almost to the point of reading the manual and then deliberately avoiding doing the things it tells you to do. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 13:03:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36350-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27450 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:03:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 27439 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:03:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:02:51 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline wrote: > I am insisting that outside of an interpretive framework, sound has no Can we even speak meaningfully of sound 'outside of an interpretive framework'? Doesn't this just mean sound that is heard by no-one and/or recorded in no way? (Or recorded and not listened to.) Can we say anything useful about or via this concept? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 12:52:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36349-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22678 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:52:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 22666 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:52:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:52:01 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx tobias c. van Veen wrote: > If one were to broadcast at extremely high volume piercing sinewaves in a > centre of a citycore, the polis would evacuate if nothing could be done > about it. Although isn't this more a matter of performance than of composition? The same piece at lower volume wouldn't have nearly the same effect. You could achieve the same thing with a piece of techno music. Hell, you could do the same with a piece of pop. I know which would drive me out faster. In this instance I think it is nothing inherent in the music itself, it is in the performance of the music, specifically the volume of the performance. By being very bloody loud you are making a political statement just like that. It really doesn't matter what you are being loud /with/. I spent a little while in Indonesia, and it became apparent to my friend after a while (he shared this revelation with me and it seems to make sense) that having a big stereo was a status symbol over there for the very reason that you could make louder noise than your neighbour. Universally, car stereos, ghettoblasters, and shop radios were turned up FULL VOLUME, no matter how difficult it made it to talk, or how distorted they were. If you could play it loud, then show it off. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 12:43:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36348-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18130 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:42:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 18119 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:42:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:42:15 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what electronic music communicates [was: being 'political'] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > your listeners uniformly. Music is generally better-suited to communicating > feelings, rather than specific words and non-musical concepts. It's context I think electtronic music is about communicating headspaces, actually. One of the things that make electronic music unique is concentrated mental space... this is especially the case techno/electronica, *especially* Wolfgang Voight style stuff where the music is basically non-structural, just a small gesture repeated for given interpretations of 'repeated'. What you've got is a small segment of time that represents a much much larger chunk of refinement down to a single experience.. When I compose, I will keep on working on a piece until I can listen to it the whole way through without wanting to make changes. IE, until I'm happy with the exact psychoacoustic effects it has on me... I still see charges of 'inhumanity' and 'soullessness' levelled at electronic music, which is ironic because the noises that make their way onto a recording usually represent refinement to create a noise that at least one person on the planet finds wonderful and amazing. Although... one of the strengths of Aphex Twin's work is that he doesn't do too much in the way of refining like this. Sometimes listening to his work I get the sense that it has been written utterly irreverently.. sitting in a studio he just lays something down, lays something else over the top with minimal thought, thinking to himself 'yeah! that sounds good! yeah! uhhrrm... all right, now i'll squeal like a pig over the top' or whatever, does that, goes 'yeah! cool!' and calls it a night and a track. A response I'm working towards in my own music is the giggle.. If I write something and kind of let myself get carried away without thinking too much, and then at some point in the future sudden listen critically and find myself giggling, then I feel like I'm doing something interesting. Bloody hard to bring about that state of mind though. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 12:29:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36347-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11567 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:28:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 11554 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:28:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:28:44 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > What is much more important is political involvement in your nation, > working for governments that don't push global economic strategies that > make these exploitive factories profitable and inevitable. To bring about governmental/societal/systemic change you have to challenge the headspace of the population, their mental environment. That is part of our job as artists, I think. I'm concerned about the people in the rest of New Zealand. They are increasingly sleepwalking consumption machines. I want to bonk them over the head. I think the way I am best at communicating anything is through music. I want to work toward creating consciousness through the music I make, but I don't want to do it through lyrics because I believe lyrics can dilute and destroy some very amazing musical experiences. (Tangent - there's a track on the Rhythm & Sound self-titled album, the only one with lyrics.. there's a point where the lyricist stops talking for two or three minutes, allowing the music to just wander for a while; then he comes back. The point where he comes back is a jolt, tipping you right out of the musical space that just the music has transferred you to. I think this is always what lyrics do.) I have a plan (muahaha), and that is to save up some money and buy some advertising time on ZM (the commercial pop shite network radio here), and use the advertising time to play sonic art, ideally of an overtly anti-consumerist nature. If I can do this without words, it will be even more effective. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 12:21:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36346-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8971 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:20:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 8949 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:20:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:20:37 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music - an example? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Josh Ronsen wrote: > I don’t think the question is how can wordless music > have a political meaning, but how can music made that > is so entrenched in the current economic worldview > effectively question that worldview. One gains the ability to be conscious of an environment/worldview/set of cultural assumptions when one experiences something else. I make my music using technology, yes, but I stay out of the consumption cycles, and I try and make it being as aware as possible of the ways I am affected by my society. Society teaches me to not care, to be excited about trivial things, to hide my emotions. In the music I wrote I used to unconsciously reflect these ideas. Now I'm trying to comment on and critique it. The other day I wrote this: http://www.frey.co.nz/frey/audio/frey-loveah.mp3 Ideally you can hear what was going through my mind. If you can't, here's some context: it was written in response to a compilation of singer-songwriter style songs, heavily lyrical, very 'pretty.' One thing that really pisses me off about the whole singer-singwriter genre (lone guitarist + 'meaningful' vocals) is that it's pretty universally singing about romantic love using complex metaphor to make it seem much more sophisticated than it actually is. It's the genre considered the most 'meaningful' or the most 'human' to some and to me it's impenetrable words against harmonically backward music. (Not that Ani DiFranco can't move me to tears sometimes, but we're all hypocrites, it's part of being capitalists.) There are lyrics in this, yes; the political content isn't in the lyrics themselves, it's in how the lyrics sit against the music/context/genre itself. The first verse is basically 'I love you' but with weird, almost mentally unstable-sounding emphasis on the 'love', the phrase disintegrating into a kind of a throaty strangulation sound. The second verse is 'I love you, your breasts are very large and jubbly.' What is my point? I'm not sure that I have one. Would this music be as political without the lyrics? Would it be engaging, would it just be 'bad music'? Would its meaning be as clear? This isn't really much of an example because the lyrics are as fundamental to its parody of the singer-songwriter genre as can be. An instrumental version of this song would be in many very important ways a different piece of music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 08:21:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36344-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16069 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:21:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 16032 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:21:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fQ4w/IwUpWU5UZxugXRKSjNHzulU5bQC+PeqiI9p/3nje+M7DYbWBNZ86M+d+orG2CfEOLtsm6TEGkrD+JWguMa9WtaSsDjAiHEYFU+9MoTAFv2wxNUysHQ5nvNsSMYFR00TDyY8nfmH1f7jK+m5wt+r4ukO3SiIzDkZCQc7h+4= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > back to the original question, can you create a > sound that contains an inherent politics outside of a discursive form that identifies it as such? I have yet to see one solitary example that demonstrates such a possibility. in vico's scienza nuova he attempted to describe the origin of language via the clap of thunder. the thunder-clap is physically percievable by all in the vicinity/community. it often inspires fear because it is so loud. at one time it was louder than any sound a human being could make. arguably, a good thunder may still be louder as any attack than any we can create electronically using a membrane. maybe the crash of speeding vehicles approaches this decibel level and certainly nuclear weapons take the prize for volume. but, to not stray too far from the question at hand, the thunder always still means generally one thing on planet earth! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Thu Jun 23 08:28:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36345-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18787 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:28:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 18775 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:28:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:19:09 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c577cd$5d16bf20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline; > And > using an Apple is an alternative to the dominance of Windows though > not as politically preferable as using Linux. So using an apple > machine is somewhat counterhegemonic all the while supporting the > hegemonic "aspirations" of Apple. A good friend of mine said about companies like Apple and The Bodyshop (in a mock voice); "Yes, I only support the smaller multinationals". Much more interesting from this perspective to me is are the communities of artists who gather outdated computer equipment. Video-wall build of monitors that would otherwise have been thrown away, controlled by a central Linux pc, blasting out Ascii art, "chillout" areas with 8bit dos pinball games and the constant knowledge that the machines that are entertaining you were considdered trash a few days ago.... One didn´t work, I frowned and turned it upside down. The curator or artist came up to me, asking wether I needed a screwdriver. I´m all for the fall of the MS empire, but let´s not pretend Apple is in it out of charity. Were Apple to gain that position many people that currently enjoy them wouldn´t be able to afford computers anymore due to closed hardware arteficially keeping the price up. I don´t see Apple as any more politically preferable then -say- Silicon Graphics. I second you on Linux though, some people still use Amigas and Ataris for music too, much to my delight. Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 08:02:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36343-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11723 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:02:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 11713 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:02:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XcEr/HdTT++ga1VIWedrxRM4WPyXetO18Vc9evrwiae8CWoL8zCZdP/wvNpdImWPtri2LO7b/KdfYFnF2nskqXCm8+m+35z7cYEIYnu7cO2i2Pzt2SOaB5l/1aQlT4B/NPgZQ8DWfeVjI6XquRoHn+d+ZILmJ40zXhCqXxKC+tE= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "There is no outside." which is very often accompanied by the contention that there is nothing "inside"--namely that my own pysche is constructed by culture etc. but what do we really know? i prefer to say it is possible to reconstruct myself. i also prefer to say there might be messages out there we do not yet understand. how do we tune into frequencies that might be out of our range (ah, which dimension/vector of range, eh?) I > have no idea what you're trying to say there. this is to me a sign of moving in the right direction! some decades ago when we were all getting "post-modern" i hit upon the formula "why is it that when i have explained myself clearly to you that i still remain incomprehensible to myself?" back then i was describing my sense of alienation from critical discourse. but really i had stumbled into a kind of cave or cave-painting of myself. there is finally always something that resists expression that remains outside saying, that resembles in it's silence before our questioning what is either a great gift given by no one or a pointless curse wired through mattter itself. is lyotard's cave any different than plato's? the legende of er? in a strange way, language itself can be a lot like serialism. --Jeff Gburek > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Thu Jun 23 07:56:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36342-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9691 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:56:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 9681 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:56:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:56:20 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YF2pfmDnZ4mZ0KaaQ08I8QE3A9F/7nhCwTbQNs+8b/gbDw75Nfvgub0+ccz0HhBwDiLbpjzEP/NB3/r6loYKiQ0DL+WrWV/9IynS+KrVOL4gqFJVSwTT48/qBFp1CFDCG9yHfxZAlkF9tK43YA/wbPhTpPhCmScz1UngJc3VBis= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/23/05, jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > this paraphrase from lyotard has something that i do > find interesting but i don't read the historicization > of the "distinction" to be so distant and proscribed > by discourse on art or linguistics. the act of > interpretation upon seeing the cave painting is rather > instantaneous. The point from Lyotard is that you have phenomena but the categories for organizing the phenomena are part of human knowledge, part of culture, if you will. We often assume these categories in advance without realizing that phenomena are what they are first of all and then a use-value for human understanding later. In Nietzsche's terms, we made up the category and then we forgot that we made it up. Then, we forgot that we forgot. Then it became culture. We assumed that the meaning of sound had always accompanied its occurence, but we simply hadn't remembered far back enough. We forgot our own invention--the rhetoric that gave meaning to the sonic sign. So an inscription is an inscription first of all and a message after a certain framework of understanding is invented. the same for sound. Which applies to your example of the bus. The only way you get the hell out of the way when a bus sounds its horn is because you've been programmed to read that sound as a warning and an alert. That's culture, of course, but without that, it's just another sound. So back to the original question, can you create a sound that contains an inherent politics outside of a discursive form that identifies it as such? I have yet to see one solitary example that demonstrates such a possibility. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 07:33:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36341-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2756 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:33:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 2745 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:33:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:33:19 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f30ABikk337YrQY616pl/JbXTLoxU2IME7zpxjSUiYXovzvAckiZ27SogjdM+cxxYp3yOOugFGmF36lyFl3/c7CEtInRI1WaXtpaMhrwjJmMhiLNPMz/44MxDiQKVNrX9AbncPFQ2XYZTxzSiWTuhpoxBT+llfO8US1GyJfMFC4= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/23/05, jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > clear, but that's not exactly what you said and the > drift of your statements accumulated in the direction > of what i find to be the ultimately unjustifiable and > and unsupportable notion that sounds don't have any > meaning. I am insisting that outside of an interpretive framework, sound has no meaning whatsoever, other than the meaning you wish to place on it, which you are certainly allowed to do. As for being "ultimately unjustifiable and unsupportable," I'd say that about the idea that sound has an inherent meaning outside of culture. Your point was that it has a "potential for meaning." If it has a "potential," this means that there isn't one in advance and that you are agreeing with my position. Feel free to produce sound in such a way that's political but without the rhetoric or the artist statement being available, to see as such, no listener, unless you are exploiting the obvious codes like the cash register and "Come All Ye Faithful," is going to hear an inherent politics. >mine is a political stance that seeks to > empower sound and those who do not feel yet that sound > can say something outside of being recognized by a > powerful elite, which, being driven to that > conclusion, is the same "cultural" cul-de-sac all > post-modernism ends up in: stale academic > conceptualism. if you only have culture as the final > arbiter then an individual who says something > different has nothing else to do but to declare a > break with culture. But the break with culture is always already "cultural." It's already part of the fabric of cultural resistance, which has a very long history. There is no outside. You're not being clear in your sweep about postmodernism and academic conceptualism. I have no idea what you're trying to say there. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 07:23:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36340-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98989 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:23:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 98979 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:23:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SJBivDBUn7b3/cSuNL5b2kzklcDR49+wX3DDmTSmpebQ13QW07LWk8VS5f/lHNdroa76VehzpKc8d3fLDiyXn8jmD/+CsCTCQ3Rp6QFKXycoBg2+1COwB6HdHOxuZtswccw6Glc6IfiNFy2bngAyu9NER4IE1cj0FcbFD/t0aMw= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The politics comes later. > > Paraphrasing Lyotard: a cave dweller inscribes a > figure on the wall > > inside a cave. Is it art? Is it language? It is > neither. The > > distinction will come later. > > this paraphrase from lyotard has something that i do find interesting but i don't read the historicization of the "distinction" to be so distant and proscribed by discourse on art or linguistics. the act of interpretation upon seeing the cave painting is rather instantaneous. the interpretations will depend on whether or not the immediate phenomenon means something for me personally. one never questions a bus's horn as it goes off, you just look fast and get the fuck out of the way. if i come from planet xenon265 where there are no such things as buses, i might get creamed. but the ability to interpret signs depends on the fact we are familiar with the reality of communication and that we percieve an intention. humanity has long percieved propriety in terms of a model of what "nature" does until it evolved to only look for the "laws" of nature. once you have begun to look in this direction, the cultural becomes percievable as a kind of collapsed hierarchy with the natural universe. better, let's call it a horizontal hierarchy, no more significant than any other layers in the terrestrial sedimental compaction. we can percieve all sounds as potentially communicative but we may sometimes be wrong about the nature of the transmission. throughgout our lives we become familiar with more and more languages or langauage-like systems. that we inteptret a sound as music is an immediate assessment of the sound's meaning or the intention of the one who makes the sound. the political act comes when we organize and inject priorities into the sound or music. these priorities are "preset" systems, if you will. these indeed do come later to be imposed on the phenomenon as we judge what is "more meaningful" to us and the problems start to occur when one assumes the "presets" are of the order of nature--which is how all the unexplainable arbitrariness of culture is presented to children: this is just the way it is. but this is not the truth. --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Who's distinction? Yours, mine, we/ours? We have > no point of > reference. Only the creator of the image has it. > We can only percieve > to know what distinction/purpose it really had. But > in the end that > only further supports your rationale on the whole > subject. > > > aLEKs > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 06:53:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36339-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83570 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:53:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 83553 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:53:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xhELEJiSy064wrCjIkKmRHcmFRBWNJcD2iaqbocyNKm/hG7D6Hk5bzKuXlquVYm+GFpIH5FTbrXpwYPIlc4shHAoF/NRdcOLl5D1qn+Id5WdHnBywF319rjZ7u2kfAVlaJNigtev8QGXzXK/fjAqBymitCc7uadiDi1raaXT2DM= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The polis in and of itself requires its surrounds as inherent to its boundary construction; culture is inseparable from the gesture of exclusion necessary for the polis. High volume sound as tactical dispersion method of polis-itics might drive some to some mad nomadism -- or another city. - tV tobias, i appreciate the sounding out of the greco-roots of these concepts. it reminds me what attali said: that we live in the ritual, representational and repetitive eras all at once--or at least traces of the previous era persist. maybe nomadism would be the result of the sonic terror but more likely would be a violence of another kind to reduce the sound to ash, of silencing anyone who crossed the line... --jeff gburek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 06:41:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36338-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78433 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:41:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 78423 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:41:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zFQnbWjWcTaUxaEfeSEddyR0RwrVhNRMfG0BMl0p+hI1sMrPnMzLADmgvWTP3ZddGpbm2AXC3ukpgXUEwuG15y4CcWHAypZs1d6qrWWHG38BcHcM6FsnlFHthieIKiM1pjjqwUcKGlXwhRFpWHS5IhADTlLY09uFjQoU6DyMqWI= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >I think it is a big > > mistake to decide that sound has no meaning. I > think > > it is more true to say there is always the > potential > > to become meaningful. > > But the idea that sound has the "potential" to > become meaningful > assumes already that it isn't meaningful outside of > its potential, > which is exactly my point. clear, but that's not exactly what you said and the drift of your statements accumulated in the direction of what i find to be the ultimately unjustifiable and and unsupportable notion that sounds don't have any meaning. mine is a political stance that seeks to empower sound and those who do not feel yet that sound can say something outside of being recognized by a powerful elite, which, being driven to that conclusion, is the same "cultural" cul-de-sac all post-modernism ends up in: stale academic conceptualism. if you only have culture as the final arbiter then an individual who says something different has nothing else to do but to declare a break with culture. not only popular artists of the seventies did this but also avant-gardists of that era were more populist (bueys and pasolini for example, although i have my own critiques of their behaviour as well). what is disturbing most is that today's avant-gardist does not even try to make such a break. they are in with the institution. if you bill or anyone would like to read a a review i have written of the cartsen nicolai installation here at the neu nationale gallerie, i may be willing to post it, as the above are all concerns that enter into my thought over it's potential meaninglessness. --Jeff Gburek __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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Thu Jun 23 06:25:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36337-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71203 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:25:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 71189 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:25:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:31:15 +1000 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i don't know if you have heard it or have access to it, but john baker (of the bbc radiophonic workshop) has a piece with a very clear, well-defined and instantly decodable message -- with no use of vocal material. i think you will find it enriching as an example, particularly in its simplicity -- there is no need to theorise over it one bit to get what it means. (and let's face it. if you want it to be widely legible, it needs to be clear. you can't rely on derrida to create your public.) the tune in question is merely "o come all ye faithful" (a popular christmas carol) played by the bell of a cash register drawer. simple and way more effective (and powerful) than any sine wave composition i've ever heard. "christmas commercial" - john baker. --- dizzydonor.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 02:33:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36336-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96973 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:33:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 96963 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:33:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:33:37 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: "tobias c. van Veen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Cc: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rBW5+ubskEDgKR53CLX/3UesZKcBEbDNQ8CWRbBMZdG1Kria3zVtJmM+cSZ/G0rPh2+mRt8LEC8t3iitMqO8PFApQOjTVFRxCWJKPiqjXCrJxI9ebS53SHFrr25gM6e4134ERHbNy3pUoC+SwJqlUogTYd2Rb53iEv5XUhlIMEc= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/23/05, tobias c. van Veen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > If one were to broadcast at extremely high volume piercing sinewaves in a > centre of a citycore, the polis would evacuate if nothing could be done > about it. How would we know that, tobias? Are we assuming in this speculation that there's a distinction between noise and music such that if noise was played very loudly within a community for a certain duration and was inescapable that it would have the political dimension of dispersing a community? But doesn't this already assume a culture that can distinguish the difference between noise and music such that the intervening noise would become intolerable? As you may recall, I did play sine waves very loudly one day in a home in the US and it didn't cause the rest of the residents to vacate. It caused them to check out which room had tripped a fire alarm, and so the sine wave is always already going to be metonymically connected to the fire alert (probably), and so I'd speculate a civic act to prevent an inferno from taking place is a more likely outcome. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 02:22:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36335-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92470 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:22:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 92459 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:22:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:21:40 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HKgFmP1f5vGM5RRlTZjX7f/8hXkIYwnUgG6CLCbpjr7mCu8WDOJWPMbDNiHznmmV7KsA2WosEn1eLt+TRHlmATDUXiv55plSclkNC/9nOI3DGDjUly5Z1OJoc8u1D5L/a+XgmLdBBjk5LPmHBKw6PgOriR784XvN6t1Ws1TdZj8= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/23/05, graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > aren't letters just shapes and lines, nothing more? abstract graphics on a > empty background? Yes, that's right. That is fundamentally what they are. They only gain meaning within a landscape of signification, which is what we call culture. > > one person's written language is another person's hieroglyphics... yes, in a banal way, this is true. Except by now, we know that different languages are languages not heiroglyphics because we've had enough education to know what these symbols might mean. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 02:14:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36334-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89185 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:14:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 89175 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:14:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:14:13 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rvHnLRKXz4No+NXrp6ZkxEBhInhZg1HAn/lZ+pVHQOqcMzFdDT21DxMXvBRqrlreO3sYyuebgakXv95r3Km7JDSVtXn3Odx7KXeN7nIXiKW0A/sb0Sc0zUuVZUuIuse32XQd7eOo4QZ7f3EFKVmL8ZJNt1nz1xLmzpP7Wx8lfVk= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/22/05, Josh Ronsen <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I don't think the question is how can wordless music > have a political meaning, but how can music made that > is so entrenched in the current economic worldview > effectively question that worldview. Impressively written question here. Nicely stated. But I think the situation about using the Apple computer is a bit more complex. LCD screens are manufactured in Korea, primarily, the twelfth largest industrial economy in the world with a high standard of living. And using an Apple is an alternative to the dominance of Windows though not as politically preferable as using Linux. So using an apple machine is somewhat counterhegemonic all the while supporting the hegemonic "aspirations" of Apple. Also, I shouldn't have to mention that popular music isn't always the inert status quo-supporting form that's being applied here. A lot of popular music has been politically counterhegemonic too. A lot of the popular music of the sixties and seventies for example. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 00:36:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36333-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53499 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:36:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 53489 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:36:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:36:42 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uqtGE/QDvrF/F2kFHuFGS2MefjhGFkSNKd/hGuZn0ypcgtMxKnGXP6bQS5Bs44MTWaT1u8ieX/XLK7urJpNRxLw37/q1verZvL7ZcTKifYFIVGScRM5IFbH6OyVFR6oyVaR6cpbERBR/5Fi7WBZUAtSiyAc9a01qDVB+B7wNnkw= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/22/05, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > if you read that group of words devoid of the message inherent in > them, they're only words. > if you view that group of colors and shapes devoid of the message > inherent in them, they're only colors and shapes. Sounds are not of the same order as linguistic signs. are you are saying is that words (linguistic signs) are arbitrary. I don't disagree. > > what does this phrase mean: > 'devoid of the message inherent in them' > ? > > what is the inherent message in sounds? Well, read the context :-) the statement made was that there was some "music" that involved the clanging of silverware, which outside of the declaration that they were made in opposition to the Iraq war would not be inherently pregnant with such meaning, right? Until those sounds are collected under that message, as a listener, you don't attach such intentionality, right? > why does it matter if it's art or language? what is the difference > between art and language? why is that distinction important? > Lyotard's point is that signs cannot be taken as such outside of culture. It's culture that decides whether a sign is art or language just as it is culture that decides if sounds are to be interpreted politically. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 23 00:29:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36332-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49314 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:29:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 49303 invoked from network); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:29:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:29:36 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qO5eZ5BmAqfhtimxjMGGpIBLnOVtghp5cH3PRi/xtcJj596vmNThr5UyDPe/pUH5Ju4OZnARNURVcTxs23EZUvnFsF3OY+jHzjS9ZQFR0DroPg1J+btgtqCfn0pw01d6c100UMRnFW8TcYBmBGAHnnrbY2gDa4DkeLKeoByW3FI= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/22/05, jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > All sounds occur in a context. More specifically, all > sounds occur in the primordial context of "hearing". > So sounds are, like linguistic signs, always tending > toward contextualization(s) and therefore tending > toward meaning(s). None of this occurs in isolation. I > recall from live Derrida "set" hearing him say (in > English, and I quote from memory) "This idea that the > sign is detachable from the signifier, this is > insignificance itself". But Derrida also talked about the "arbitrariness" of the sign, which means that no sign attends inherently to any particular meaning but comes about, rather, through a social practice. It is a mistake as well to assume that linguistic signs and sonic ones are of the same order. They are nto. >I think it is a big > mistake to decide that sound has no meaning. I think > it is more true to say there is always the potential > to become meaningful. But the idea that sound has the "potential" to become meaningful assumes already that it isn't meaningful outside of its potential, which is exactly my point. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 22:37:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36331-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3306 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:37:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 3295 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:37:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Kamerman <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1xTQEZG4+djS5eyaJhubZQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zo3fWO7rvDszMJcpH9/DxExw/N3Qn40ygw6ecoOhzPb0Lqs2j+eaTQFmhTX6UE1DkMDciung2PbTGUS1tRP92Z/f3Ls48ShqIoi2s+qiwIIbYbZj31KT7EZcIue0R0EQjQfX1HTDPUeLDl8uIZ7yJxrHRtRIjJUgFpb9pA2QDNM= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1xTQEZG4+djS5eyaJhubZQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though music has been recently used as a weapon. Brings this article to mind. Wish I still had an active link to prove it legit but at least I copied the text: 'Tortured' with Rap?? Mon Dec 22,10:04 AM ET BEIRUT (Reuters) - Lebanese Mohammed Jaber said he went to Iraq on a pilgrimage to Muslim holy sites, he ended up being "tortured" with loud rap music by U.S. troops suspicious he might be a foreign fighter against their occupation. Jaber said an Iraqi taxi driver handed him and three friends over to U.S. troops for $100 each in April apiece as fighters for ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "They asked us why we were there and if we came to fight them. But we said we came only to visit the holy sites in Kerbala," he told Reuters. "They didn't torture us physically but they did psychologically by raising the volume of rap music all day until it became unbearable and by withholding food," he said. But Jaber said he kept one secret from his captors, fearing the treatment could get worse. "I mean I like rap, just imagine them playing jazz." U.S.-led forces in Iraq freed Jaber and sent him and seven other Arab detainees home on Saturday. graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: on sonic weapons: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/153_sonicweapons.shtml http://www.rense.com/general/soundwaves.htm sound? yes. but music? is it important to distinguish? g. "tobias c. van Veen" wrote: > > High volume sound as tactical dispersion method of polis-itics might drive > some to some mad nomadism -- or another city. > > - tV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_1xTQEZG4+djS5eyaJhubZQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 22:22:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36330-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96698 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:22:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 96676 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:22:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:21:24 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'd like to drop the gay bomb on the white house:) Nicolas Grenier wrote: > Reach out for your tinfoil hat people... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect > > And make sure to check out the gay bomb article linked there. 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Wed Jun 22 22:12:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36329-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91061 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:12:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 91050 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:12:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Grenier <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Xf1nH5gyrobmEs1AJ8ADSA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q/1CUEpzQJZK8zVw3krpI9+PCmP1cY4ZKLGFHOdWF7+kG4yI9nrvCKDRkHR/ZURK1cfKKDyqp1VxZUAItaH89R+yCsT7yAHAjxhPaujTBCHSk5nDJ36ovj8UCjg/jw0dZjj4oNON4cg4UiRG1Vq1q9zOwuBszMrQ0nGym/ssL6w= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Xf1nH5gyrobmEs1AJ8ADSA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reach out for your tinfoil hat people... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect And make sure to check out the gay bomb article linked there. These are great subversion tools, aren't they? graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> a écrit :on sonic weapons: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/153_sonicweapons.shtml http://www.rense.com/general/soundwaves.htm sound? yes. but music? is it important to distinguish? g. "tobias c. van Veen" wrote: > > High volume sound as tactical dispersion method of polis-itics might drive > some to some mad nomadism -- or another city. > > - tV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! 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Wed Jun 22 20:37:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36328-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51700 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:37:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 51685 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:37:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:35:56 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on sonic weapons: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/153_sonicweapons.shtml http://www.rense.com/general/soundwaves.htm sound? yes. but music? is it important to distinguish? g. "tobias c. van Veen" wrote: > > High volume sound as tactical dispersion method of polis-itics might drive > some to some mad nomadism -- or another city. > > - tV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 20:34:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36327-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49675 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:34:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 49665 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:34:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:33:35 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx interesting... i would say constructs of masculine and feminine are just as learned as anything, since different societies have their own views on what signifies 'masculine' or 'feminine'... that said, there are clear objective biological differences in the chemical makeup of the sexes, which undoubtedly influence emotion and thought processes... could hormones manifest themselves in music? sure. or is labeling loud and aggressive music 'masculine' or 'testosterone-fueled' simply put us back into the same trappings? then again, why the long hair and makeup in so-called macho musics of the eighties, such as speed metal? once again, a complex and multifaceted 1000 page ethnomusicological discussion with probably no clear-cut answer... g. p.s. boys makes blue music. girls make pink music. nuff said. "Mr.D" wrote: > > there was a big discussion on some list i was on way back that pitted > the idea of Masculine and Feminine music, that there was a > discernible *audible* difference. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 20:29:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36326-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46013 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:29:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 46003 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:29:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:29:47 -0400 From: "tobias c. van Veen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEDF427B.209B4%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Nice to see you gettin' political there, Graham, but you're not really > getting my point. There's nothing inherently political in sound and > it's arrangements. It's the culture that surrounds it. If one were to broadcast at extremely high volume piercing sinewaves in a centre of a citycore, the polis would evacuate if nothing could be done about it. The centrism of gathering which all politics revolves around -- the polis as citystate, also the philosophical gesture of enclosure, around oikos, the hearth, and its connection to the polis, the city, the state -- would be disrupted. The polis in and of itself requires its surrounds as inherent to its boundary construction; culture is inseparable from the gesture of exclusion necessary for the polis. High volume sound as tactical dispersion method of polis-itics might drive some to some mad nomadism -- or another city. - tV --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 20:21:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36325-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42379 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:21:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 42365 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:21:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:21:21 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i want to preface this: john saylor brought up cage, not me! ;) there was a period in Cage's life where he wrote his compositions in accordance with his own worldview. the structures and forms he used supported his personal feelings of societal control and healthy living... an example would be the removal of any 'conductor' from a large ensemble piece, or the way instruments in the Number Pieces were meant to play as if they were solo parts, but that still coexist in harmony with all the other parts as a unified (and interpenetrating) whole. that said, Cage's political views could only REALLY be deciphered if you knew the musicology behind it. if you knew that Cage was interested in utopian anarchy and the philosophy of thoreau and bucky fuller, you might be able to hear that in these pieces. i doubt Cage wanted that result, however. he only wrote music as it occurred to him as something he does, which would naturally coincide with his own intersecting philosophical ideas. that is how i think 'political music without words' happens, because i agree, music as sound is nothing more than music as sound. anything beyond that is due to an interpretation by a human mind, which contextualizes it, and the more context the more meaning it may gain... or lose. there is no inherent meaning in sound or music, it is only present in the mind of the listener. there was a big discussion on some list i was on way back that pitted the idea of Masculine and Feminine music, that there was a discernible *audible* difference. my own opinion is that music, as a language, is ill equipped to communicate specific things. the semiotics and syntax of its language is different than word-based ones, which have more cognitive importance simply because they are widely used and recognizable. unfortunately, words are borne from things which are not them, they are fake and viral; music is itself categorically. On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:31 AM, john saylor wrote: > hi > > your post made some questions come to my mind. > > On 6/22/05, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> If you hear that group of sounds devoid of the message >> inherent in it, they're only sounds. >> > > if you read that group of words devoid of the message inherent in > them, they're only words. > if you view that group of colors and shapes devoid of the message > inherent in them, they're only colors and shapes. > > what does this phrase mean: > 'devoid of the message inherent in them' > ? > > what is the inherent message in sounds? > have you been reading john cage? zen texts? > > > >> Paraphrasing Lyotard: a cave dweller inscribes a figure on the wall >> inside a cave. Is it art? Is it language? It is neither. The >> distinction will come later. >> > > hmm ... > > why does it matter if it's art or language? what is the difference > between art and language? why is that distinction important? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 20:02:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36324-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33552 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:02:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 33530 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:02:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:02:00 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RHUgDn0IZ8E7ie6+WQ+fHw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ooII8cbU9UkdL5kcxEwhVE6V7Q2FGpfWkFv7gNBcdTsccq7ycLjXSVvqeOqXBvc/lXM/WaiyUW5uaLjvvAqFM+RkcGC17mVJ/EbL8Xj6s5OueNP1oSRktgKJveb9UtbYld9MEDnwlRM/aonkquTVFUgAHiHQrKGoow2PNNFIRlI= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_RHUgDn0IZ8E7ie6+WQ+fHw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll jump on the "context is everything" bandwagon, myself. Conveying something as specific as your support or disapproval of a political party or idea through means that use no words (written or spoken) is really difficult, and I doubt that your message would get through to all your listeners uniformly. Music is generally better-suited to communicating feelings, rather than specific words and non-musical concepts. It's context that gives music its meaning. We are able to tell that this is true because of the fact that anyone or anything lacking the context of a certain musical piece will be at least somewhat left in the dark upon hearing it. The same goes for language. I don't speak German, so if someone talks to me in German, I only have kinesthetics to utilize in receiving his communication. Likewise, hearing an instrumental piece with no context for it, I have only the emotional cues to pick up on. I can hear that it's sad or happy, but not what it's sad or happy about (unless the music itself makes reference to another musical piece that I do have context for - I've seen John Zorn do this once or twice, it's pretty funny). That said, I have seen some instrumental pieces that I would consider to be *vaguely* political. Communicating a political message through music can certainly be done, but there pretty much needs to be some prior understanding of what's going on in order to really successfully receive the communication, I think. (Intentionally vague for lack of time to fully explain myself.) - QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ --Boundary_(ID_RHUgDn0IZ8E7ie6+WQ+fHw)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 19:47:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36323-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24907 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:47:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 24864 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:47:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:46:07 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/opinion/3/ "Tk-tkk-tk-tkik-tik! USA! USA! USA! Tk-tik-tkkk!" Nicolas Grenier wrote: > How about a musical party whose arguments would be mainly sonic? > "So, what are you going to do about those taxes sir?" > "brrrr.......wooooooiiiinggg........dzzzzzzzi... powf!" > > > --------------------------------- > Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 18:28:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36320-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89953 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:28:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 89943 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:28:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:28:14 -0500 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00a301c57760$88f572c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, the aac-48 channel bit is quite cool....only ever got up to 16 channels use myself....if you're interested in surround sound I'd recommend the surround sound mail list at: mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound lots of discussion, beyond surround sound as well... www.ambisonic.net/sursound.html has good discussions/info on ambisonics, and links to vsti's of surround/ambisonic plugins(mostly free) and forum.doom9.org has lots of info regarding tools setups etc.... Bidule (www.plogue.com) is a good modular environment(winxp & macOSX) that supports multichannel recording..... //*-----Original Message----- //*From: Mr.D [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx] //*Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:18 AM //*To: microsound //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? //* //*Ah thanks for the clarification on the formats! I feel greatly //*enlightened. //* //*And I had no idea about AAC's capabilities, that's very cool. //* //*On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Michael North wrote: //* //*> //*> The following is from the MS site ....but I've used it, and it //*> works.... //*> //*> Windows Media Audio 9 Professional, is a great match for high-fidelity //*> hardware and computer with 5.1 channel surround sound. It captures //*> full-resolution audio (24-bit/96-kHz sampling) in stereo or 5.1 //*> channel (and //*> even 7.1 channel) surround sound for streaming or download-and-play //*> delivery //*> at 128 to 768 Kbps //*> //*> Had it wrong on the apple ac3(shouldn't answer emails without enough //*> sleeptime)...meant AAC | MPEG-4...from their site, the following/ //*> also have //*> used it and it worked.... //*> //*> When compared side-by-side, AAC proves itself worthy of replacing //*> MP3 as the //*> new Internet audio standard. Take a look at these AAC advantages //*> over MP3: //*> //*> * Improved compression provides higher-quality results with //*> smaller file //*> sizes //*> * Support for multichannel audio, providing up to 48 full //*> frequency //*> channels //*> * Higher resolution audio, yielding sampling rates up to 96 kHz //*> * Improved decoding efficiency, requiring less processing power //*> for //*> decode //*> //*> Real Audio also uses AAC and is as well capable of multi-channel //*> sound, have //*> used it and it worked......................... //*> //*> //*> //*> //*> //*-----Original Message----- //*> //*From: Mr.D [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx] //*> //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:31 PM //*> //*To: microsound //*> //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? //*> //* //*> //*AC3 is Dolby Digital, not Apple. So naturally, it does surround. //*> //* //*> //*Apple's lossless implementation is m4a, MPEG layer 4, the audio //*> //*portion of an MPEG 4 movie. To my knowledge, it's dual channel //*> only. //*> //*That goes for WMA and RealAudio too, AFAIK. //*> //* //*> //*You may want to look into flac, which has multi-channel support; I //*> //*believe there is some work being done on the surround sound //*> //*capabilities of flac. http://flac.sourceforge.net/ //*> //* //*> //*matt //*> //* //*> //*On Jun 21, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael North wrote: //*> //* //*> //*> Franhoeffer(?) have released a surround mp3 encoder....is beta //*> and //*> //*> only does //*> //*> 192k....but you can do surround in apples ac3, ms wma and real //*> ra as //*> //*> well..................... //*> //*> //*> //*> //*-----Original Message----- //*> //*> //*From: Kassen [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx] //*> //*> //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:54 AM //*> //*> //*To: microsound //*> //*> //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //*Adam Young //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //*> I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if //*> there //*> //*> are any //*> //*> //*> MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a //*> //*> portable format //*> //*> //*like //*> //*> //*> MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //*Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like //*> mp3 //*> //*> tend to //*> //*> //*lose //*> //*> //*the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple //*> //*> strategies //*> //*> //*for //*> //*> //*surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil //*> //*> the fun. //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //*Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple //*> //*> paralel files? //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //*Kas. //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //* //*> //*> //* //*> //*> // //*> //*> //*> *--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*> //*> //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*> //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*> //*website: http://www.microsound.org //*> //*> //*> //*> //*> //*> //*> --------------------------------------------------------------------- //*> //*> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*> website: http://www.microsound.org //*> //*> //*> //*> //*> //* //*> //* //*> // //*> *--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*> //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*website: http://www.microsound.org //*> //*> //*> --------------------------------------------------------------------- //*> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> website: http://www.microsound.org //*> //*> //* //* //*--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 19:20:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36322-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11157 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:20:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 11040 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:19:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:19:44 +0200 From: Marta Klonowska <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] *** Gameboyzz Orchestra Project *** Forma Nova Festival 2005 *** To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00ef01c5775f$5c47e060$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dbA6utih289GYJZYNYj4YQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_dbA6utih289GYJZYNYj4YQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "If the noises emitting from your speakers sound like burps, farts and blips with electronic overtones, don't be alarmed - your stereo probably doesn't have indigestion. More likely, you're listening to the video-game-enhanced tunes of the Gameboyzz Orchestra Project" - Rachel Metz, WIRED News : : http://gameboyzz.com : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : # Friday, 8 July 2005, 9.30 pm concert Forma Nova Festival http://www.formanovafestival.com/ Fredericia Denmark : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : # piatek, 8 lipca 2005, godz. 21.30 koncert Forma Nova Festival http://www.formanovafestival.com/ Fredericia Dania : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Marta Klonowska The Manager call me: 0048 601406977 : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : --Boundary_(ID_dbA6utih289GYJZYNYj4YQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 19:04:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36321-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4481 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:04:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 4471 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:04:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Grenier <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qc6VDrqcRlR8ZWm8ryiL2g)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UewUiZ/iLZTfCqfDVdDzNzHP9L9n9e6JJj1LvzIWaMOrSQBuzeyc8bmVNQhi7I59WnZaCn3vISWFwndtbpXddQs+I3JEaHdb9Ni6sGzXfGt2W87ov7/DSfjuGMKey5HzIczfVn48hgHcvPKKu2f8/S59PlgDgkwR2EiC+ix0bWE= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qc6VDrqcRlR8ZWm8ryiL2g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How about a musical party whose arguments would be mainly sonic? "So, what are you going to do about those taxes sir?" "brrrr.......wooooooiiiinggg........dzzzzzzzi... powf!" --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. --Boundary_(ID_qc6VDrqcRlR8ZWm8ryiL2g)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 18:22:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36319-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87258 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:22:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 87247 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:22:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 28 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UUVKbnpWZZDDTuWbJoO4Tg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UUVKbnpWZZDDTuWbJoO4Tg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 22/6/05 17:20:49, xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx writes: > Music can evoke emotion though. I think it is a phenomenon worth > mentioning. > I think that certain harmonic and melodic structures are associated culturally with certain emotions in ways which are specific to individual cultures. Whilst I enjoy the sounds of Chinese Orchestral music, I cannot say that I can necessarily understand all he emotional cues in the music since I have had so little exposure (as an Englishman) to true chinese culture. Within my own culture, I do agree there are musical moments that produce a profound physical response in my body, but I would be hesitant to call it 'emotional'. I prefer to think of it as a sort of acoustic 'stroking', similar to touch, a concordance of physicalities. rob --Boundary_(ID_UUVKbnpWZZDDTuWbJoO4Tg)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 17:46:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36318-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66513 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:46:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 66503 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:46:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:45:03 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > You can consider it to be apolitical, or you can > consider it to be very political in the sense that it > actively champions the current political and economic > structures that control much of what goes on (here in > America). To listen to most radio in America, you’ve > already been politicized into accepting commercials, a > limited sense of intellectual inquiry, corporate > control over just about everything, etc. absolutely true. i was just being political by calling it apolitical:) > > > Something that greatly concerns me as an electronic > musician is that my thoughts may be progressive in > some sense, but my actions actively support the status > quo through purchasing equipment, supplies and > services. oh no... i see where you are going here... > When I turn on the radio in my car, no > matter what radio station I tune into, I am still > powering the radio from gas from Texaco or whatever. > When I am cutting up sounds in Amadeus II or Pro > Tools, I am not just challenging people’s conception > of sound (or whatever), but I am supporting Apple > computers and the economic chain of overseas labor > which is invisible to me, the steady destruction of > the environment. the alternative is not make art and live on a desert island where nobody is ever going to hear from you and you'll zero chance of changing the world. subverting consumer goods and using them against themselves has always been the spirit of electronic music... look at the turntable... transformed from a product for passive consumption into an instrument for creative production... computers are no different. you can use them for autodial telemarketing or you can boot boot up MAX/MSP... if you want to start a 'fair trade' computer company up that adhere to all the ethics and morality by which you stand, by all means, do it... i''ll buy one. but it just means you'll be doing that for the next thirty years and not making art. time is against us. act now. this is limited time opportunity. the revolutionaries are standing by. > in particular; the parts used in any computer are > probably made with cheap labor and probably not made > with environmental protection in mind. > > Music does not just have a surface political meaning, > but the very existence and consumption of music > implies the political and economic (is there really a > difference?) structures the music lives in. This is > what I got out of Attail’s book, which otherwise I > found to be not very rigorous and not too useful. > > I don’t think the question is how can wordless music > have a political meaning, but how can music made that > is so entrenched in the current economic worldview > effectively question that worldview. i don't see capitalism in itself as particularly a problem. what it's become is the problem. i could never engineer the tools i use to make art, to write, to make films, music, communicate, myself. i appreciate the ingenuity of others... i guess what i'm saying is that i'm more in favour of what alvin toffler calls the 'prosumer' in his 'the third wave' book (which i highly recommend). i don't distinguish between consumption and production. the best kind of person on earth gives back as much as he takes. and that giving back does not necessarily entail merely money. it can be art. it can be time. it can be this e-mail. g. > > > -Josh Ronsen > in Austin, Texas > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 17:27:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36317-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57625 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:27:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 57615 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:27:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:26:00 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aren't letters just shapes and lines, nothing more? abstract graphics on a empty background? one person's written language is another person's hieroglyphics... aren't spoken words just sounds too? the sound of one word in english, say 'chow' (which infers food) means goodbye in italian and something entirely different in chinese... same sound. different meaning... the meaning we ascribe to them is just as learned as the meaning we ascribe to musical sounds. i don't see the difference. music is text. language is contextual. maybe i still don't get you... g. > But sound > itself is just sound--nothing more. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 16:20:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36316-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99617 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:20:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 99604 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:20:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:29 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Music can evoke emotion though. I think it is a phenomenon worth mentioning. Ever had the hairs on your arm stand on end when listening to music void of lyrics/history of said piece? Literal communication is not music, music was never intended to be so by itself. Music can be reworked into a language very easily. Then literal communication could take place, but then it would cease to be music, and become literal language. Music can be made into a programming language, then, blah blah blah you get the idea... aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 16:18:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36315-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97041 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:18:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 97012 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:18:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:17:59 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? In-reply-to: <009a01c57734$2cd94b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <009a01c57734$2cd94b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ah thanks for the clarification on the formats! I feel greatly enlightened. And I had no idea about AAC's capabilities, that's very cool. On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Michael North wrote: > > The following is from the MS site ....but I've used it, and it > works.... > > Windows Media Audio 9 Professional, is a great match for high-fidelity > hardware and computer with 5.1 channel surround sound. It captures > full-resolution audio (24-bit/96-kHz sampling) in stereo or 5.1 > channel (and > even 7.1 channel) surround sound for streaming or download-and-play > delivery > at 128 to 768 Kbps > > Had it wrong on the apple ac3(shouldn't answer emails without enough > sleeptime)...meant AAC | MPEG-4...from their site, the following/ > also have > used it and it worked.... > > When compared side-by-side, AAC proves itself worthy of replacing > MP3 as the > new Internet audio standard. Take a look at these AAC advantages > over MP3: > > * Improved compression provides higher-quality results with > smaller file > sizes > * Support for multichannel audio, providing up to 48 full > frequency > channels > * Higher resolution audio, yielding sampling rates up to 96 kHz > * Improved decoding efficiency, requiring less processing power > for > decode > > Real Audio also uses AAC and is as well capable of multi-channel > sound, have > used it and it worked......................... > > > > > //*-----Original Message----- > //*From: Mr.D [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx] > //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:31 PM > //*To: microsound > //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? > //* > //*AC3 is Dolby Digital, not Apple. So naturally, it does surround. > //* > //*Apple's lossless implementation is m4a, MPEG layer 4, the audio > //*portion of an MPEG 4 movie. To my knowledge, it's dual channel > only. > //*That goes for WMA and RealAudio too, AFAIK. > //* > //*You may want to look into flac, which has multi-channel support; I > //*believe there is some work being done on the surround sound > //*capabilities of flac. http://flac.sourceforge.net/ > //* > //*matt > //* > //*On Jun 21, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael North wrote: > //* > //*> Franhoeffer(?) have released a surround mp3 encoder....is beta > and > //*> only does > //*> 192k....but you can do surround in apples ac3, ms wma and real > ra as > //*> well..................... > //*> > //*> //*-----Original Message----- > //*> //*From: Kassen [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx] > //*> //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:54 AM > //*> //*To: microsound > //*> //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? > //*> //* > //*> //*Adam Young > //*> //* > //*> //*> I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if > there > //*> are any > //*> //*> MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a > //*> portable format > //*> //*like > //*> //*> MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. > //*> //* > //*> //*Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like > mp3 > //*> tend to > //*> //*lose > //*> //*the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple > //*> strategies > //*> //*for > //*> //*surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil > //*> the fun. > //*> //* > //*> //*Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple > //*> paralel files? > //*> //* > //*> //*Kas. > //*> //* > //*> //* > //*> //* > //*> // > //*> > *--------------------------------------------------------------------- > //*> //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*> //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*> //*website: http://www.microsound.org > //*> > //*> > //*> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > //*> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*> website: http://www.microsound.org > //*> > //*> > //* > //* > // > *--------------------------------------------------------------------- > //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 16:03:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36314-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89575 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:03:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 89565 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:03:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:03:40 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, Josh Ronsen wrote: "To listen to most radio in America, you’ve already been politicized into accepting commercials, a limited sense of intellectual inquiry, corporate control over just about everything, etc." I think this is a very important point. Josh: "Something that greatly concerns me as an electronic musician is that my thoughts may be progressive in some sense, but my actions actively support the status quo through purchasing equipment, supplies and services." Yes, but that is in the nature of the system itself. Furthermore, I don't think the whole idea of putting the blame for the conditions of PRODUCTION on the consumer/end user is entirely justified. There does seem to be a progressive idea in the last few years that you can "get off the grid" and refrain from consuming negative corporate products. While this is a decent idea, in a limited sense, I daresay it does nothing to actualy improve the lives of, for instance, factory workers in Mexico. It's also not realistic to achieve for those of us who require computers and electronic instruments to do our work - though personally I do try to buy used equipment in some cases. I don't think you have to feel "guilty" about it buying a computer (unless that feeling helps you to be politically active in some other area). While the Marxist focus on conditions of production and ownership of the means of production might have been too narrow and dogmatic, it is a mistake to go to the opposite pole and only worry about the conditions of consumption. Consumption is itself PRODUCED by an elaborate and effective system. What is much more important is political involvement in your nation, working for governments that don't push global economic strategies that make these exploitive factories profitable and inevitable. However, realize that at a very important level, it is going to be up to the workers at the individual factories, or in the exploited nations, to fight their own political struggles and liberate themselves. I think it is rather more important to focus on those places in our lives, at work, school, the local neighborhood, and the voting booth, where we can make a difference. Our local success can allow us to then link up to broader global struggles, which we can support but which must be carried out by the individuals involved who have a stake in what happens. In particular, if the United States could ever assume a progressive role in world politics (I know this is hard to imagine!), it would likely assist ALL of the global struggles and lessen the ability of corporations to exploit around the world. Josh: "Music does not just have a surface political meaning, but the very existence and consumption of music implies the political and economic (is there really a difference?) structures the music lives in. This is what I got out of Attail’s book, which otherwise I found to be not very rigorous and not too useful." I agreed, the book was exciting when I first read it, but after some contemplation and analysis, the ideas don't really hold up and there's a lot of "grand meta-narrative" implying that history, in this case musical history, is inevitably marching on towards some glorious revolutionary destiny (telos) - the liberation of noise. I don't think we need yet another overblown grand narrative. Furthermore, Attali is very biased towards Western music, and if I recall correctly, make little mention of or analysis of non-Western music. I think that a more global and less ethnocentric vision of music would see that noise has always been an important part of music, though the particular quality of noise, and the balance between noise and pattern within music, varies with individual cultures. I do think the production of music is political, and it's important to look at the conditions of PRODUCTION of music, especially in our own lives. The mainstream music industry exploits a great many people in the making and selling of a record, and one of the nice things about independent music is that normally the conditions of production are simpler and non-exploitive, tending towards individual efforts and small collaborations, often with a gift economy operating at some points rather than any strictly capitalist one. Want to create a piece that is political without using words or musical signifiers that function in linguistic ways (quotations)? It's not difficult, once you put aside the tendency to "preach" and think that music must be some tool to convert people to your own point of view (which is a problem I have with a lot of progressive actions generally). Here are some of the political possibilities I see readily available: 1. Create music in an open collaboration with other artists, making sure to maintain a non-exploitive and progressive relationship with all parties involved. Or write music for multimedia/dance/etc where as an artist you collaborate with others in the artistic process in an open way. 2. Create music which you give away for free. 3. Create music specifically for an event or environment that is politically progressive and build solidarity while making life more beautiful and joyful for everyone present. 4. Study those composers and performers who feel are progress and create music that connects to and extends their tradition. 5. Take an experimental attitude in your music, and always seek to evolve and to move forward in your own approach, and structure your personal musical philosophy in a way which is reflective of your political outlook. 6. Use as much free, open source, independent, and used hardware and/or software as is practical in your music making. 7. Write versions of Russian and Chinese folks songs in the "socialist realist" style. (sorry just kidding!!!) And I would say that none of these examples are "external" to the music, one could just as well say that the actual music is external to the process of production which gives rise to it! In the end, I strongly believe that the fact that you use your time to create music, much of which is probably given away freely, is itself political - since you could be using this time to build bombs, sell stocks and real estate, or even just passively consume corporate media. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 15:53:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36313-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83242 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:53:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 83224 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:53:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:53:21 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Who's distinction? Yours, mine, we/ours? We have no point of reference. Only the creator of the image has it. We can only percieve to know what distinction/purpose it really had. But in the end that only further supports your rationale on the whole subject. aLEKs > The politics comes later. > Paraphrasing Lyotard: a cave dweller inscribes a figure on the wall > inside a cave. Is it art? Is it language? It is neither. The > distinction will come later. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 14:40:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36312-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48642 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:40:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 48631 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:40:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Ronsen <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bSf8X0ty64KPJjUwovK1dN2Ggu115ufKEpe90p14pLrgZ8K8O2sx2w0U15Kj+l8xH+CJsUN8ZW7i7tndQVJ4SYgdN+30lbALwd38BSFuoVouroDN4WcDvjHXbamhX66HbaztRrjBqcSk17dF8KQN6i93VqJtDEdfD/e7priPLlI= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx graham miller wrote: >and think about this: the popular music on the radio is >some of the most apolitical, apathetic music in the entire >universe. and it's chock-full of 'lyrics.' You can consider it to be apolitical, or you can consider it to be very political in the sense that it actively champions the current political and economic structures that control much of what goes on (here in America). To listen to most radio in America, you’ve already been politicized into accepting commercials, a limited sense of intellectual inquiry, corporate control over just about everything, etc. Something that greatly concerns me as an electronic musician is that my thoughts may be progressive in some sense, but my actions actively support the status quo through purchasing equipment, supplies and services. When I turn on the radio in my car, no matter what radio station I tune into, I am still powering the radio from gas from Texaco or whatever. When I am cutting up sounds in Amadeus II or Pro Tools, I am not just challenging people’s conception of sound (or whatever), but I am supporting Apple computers and the economic chain of overseas labor which is invisible to me, the steady destruction of the environment. This is not an attack against Apple in particular; the parts used in any computer are probably made with cheap labor and probably not made with environmental protection in mind. Music does not just have a surface political meaning, but the very existence and consumption of music implies the political and economic (is there really a difference?) structures the music lives in. This is what I got out of Attail’s book, which otherwise I found to be not very rigorous and not too useful. I don’t think the question is how can wordless music have a political meaning, but how can music made that is so entrenched in the current economic worldview effectively question that worldview. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 14:31:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36311-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43017 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:31:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 43007 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:31:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:31:19 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e5AThlb8V1puERcd+e3sYJGYegUExGzRy7MNTkhVYtluoYS7Jez2kEN9LH+jiizm6mUlmgP+ftzOvBvefBQkLvmgixCAXogLCFZLvnJkPhPPj/rTV05tbOO/q96eCow5yHQ+knMNphEtKNYfc28YpWPo7j7KbGtckFByTYG8cyI= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi your post made some questions come to my mind. On 6/22/05, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If you hear that group of sounds devoid of the message > inherent in it, they're only sounds. if you read that group of words devoid of the message inherent in them, they're only words. if you view that group of colors and shapes devoid of the message inherent in them, they're only colors and shapes. what does this phrase mean: 'devoid of the message inherent in them' ? what is the inherent message in sounds? have you been reading john cage? zen texts? > Paraphrasing Lyotard: a cave dweller inscribes a figure on the wall > inside a cave. Is it art? Is it language? It is neither. The > distinction will come later. hmm ... why does it matter if it's art or language? what is the difference between art and language? why is that distinction important? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 13:11:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36310-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18191 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:11:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 18168 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:11:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:10:41 -0500 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <009a01c57734$2cd94b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The following is from the MS site ....but I've used it, and it works.... Windows Media Audio 9 Professional, is a great match for high-fidelity hardware and computer with 5.1 channel surround sound. It captures full-resolution audio (24-bit/96-kHz sampling) in stereo or 5.1 channel (and even 7.1 channel) surround sound for streaming or download-and-play delivery at 128 to 768 Kbps Had it wrong on the apple ac3(shouldn't answer emails without enough sleeptime)...meant AAC | MPEG-4...from their site, the following/also have used it and it worked.... When compared side-by-side, AAC proves itself worthy of replacing MP3 as the new Internet audio standard. Take a look at these AAC advantages over MP3: * Improved compression provides higher-quality results with smaller file sizes * Support for multichannel audio, providing up to 48 full frequency channels * Higher resolution audio, yielding sampling rates up to 96 kHz * Improved decoding efficiency, requiring less processing power for decode Real Audio also uses AAC and is as well capable of multi-channel sound, have used it and it worked......................... //*-----Original Message----- //*From: Mr.D [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx] //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:31 PM //*To: microsound //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? //* //*AC3 is Dolby Digital, not Apple. So naturally, it does surround. //* //*Apple's lossless implementation is m4a, MPEG layer 4, the audio //*portion of an MPEG 4 movie. To my knowledge, it's dual channel only. //*That goes for WMA and RealAudio too, AFAIK. //* //*You may want to look into flac, which has multi-channel support; I //*believe there is some work being done on the surround sound //*capabilities of flac. http://flac.sourceforge.net/ //* //*matt //* //*On Jun 21, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael North wrote: //* //*> Franhoeffer(?) have released a surround mp3 encoder....is beta and //*> only does //*> 192k....but you can do surround in apples ac3, ms wma and real ra as //*> well..................... //*> //*> //*-----Original Message----- //*> //*From: Kassen [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx] //*> //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:54 AM //*> //*To: microsound //*> //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? //*> //* //*> //*Adam Young //*> //* //*> //*> I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if there //*> are any //*> //*> MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a //*> portable format //*> //*like //*> //*> MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. //*> //* //*> //*Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like mp3 //*> tend to //*> //*lose //*> //*the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple //*> strategies //*> //*for //*> //*surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil //*> the fun. //*> //* //*> //*Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple //*> paralel files? //*> //* //*> //*Kas. //*> //* //*> //* //*> //* //*> // //*> *--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*> //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> //*website: http://www.microsound.org //*> //*> //*> --------------------------------------------------------------------- //*> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*> website: http://www.microsound.org //*> //*> //* //* //*--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 12:45:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36309-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9683 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:45:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 9672 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:45:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:45:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_g5yZMcVp+RJpWExD+HaiTQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=abbLQ/BTl4QnX3U8Ez7T72MHC/DuHfBNPRxX9dsFXH+54ie9WC8PK+fslT2ZRSyjYVtMTL91bPH8fEgm2hXWs9SHysFDV0EKAMDxOpR3RrIrMgB+q4026dxBuHkUE51sqLmsWdyPzVDt1m1ZiXRl/5O9bkdRL9sw+edcCqqRotY= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_g5yZMcVp+RJpWExD+HaiTQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill Ashline wrote: "The best way to give a political color to basically apolitical sonics is to use political titles and packaging." Por ejemplo/example graphic: http://www.mikamartini.scd.cl/CivicEducation.htm mika. Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> escribió: On 6/21/05, Damian Stewart wrote: > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > You can't. People can read anything they want into music, because music doesn't have any apriori political signifiers. The best way to give a political color to basically apolitical sonics is to use political titles and packaging. Some of the most overtly political music outside of the work of Cardew is the free jazz of the sixties, and that was all part of a process of social transformation and the political dimensions of the music came out in the culture that surrounded it--with tributes to Malcolm X, for example, and some of the clothes and styling of the musicians, like the Art Ensemble's tribal paint, etc. Without the cultural politics, the music isn't inherently political at all unless the forms are radical, which by now is pretty unlikely. -- What to the American slave is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy--a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. 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Wed Jun 22 11:53:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36308-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94504 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:53:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 94493 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:53:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JGV1eCS+ikSDI6qIQhtIC9Uwqqte4oul7FyU/dXSGhHY+GIy58Hewxy3lmkbWgqWtq/qML0jKG+kaSaEIrwZB+4+bNiWdvxuUgnPFphniYAKVOBzcluIf8kNS89F+Fj/MAtVpynR/MNFqA0a/lWWJ3RBKsL6WI1MqPyQZAaXXbo= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Begging to differ in an indifferent world. All sounds occur in a context. More specifically, all sounds occur in the primordial context of “hearing”. So sounds are, like linguistic signs, always tending toward contextualization(s) and therefore tending toward meaning(s). None of this occurs in isolation. I recall from live Derrida "set" hearing him say (in English, and I quote from memory) “This idea that the sign is detachable from the signifier, this is insignificance itself”. In the context of that lecture on the undecidability of the phonic element of language over and above the graphic element, the irony of what this sounded like to me has continued to reverberate across the years. I think it is a big mistake to decide that sound has no meaning. I think it is more true to say there is always the potential to become meaningful. (It is not important to decide first that sound is meaningless in order to then re-interpret it as signal, etc.) The only reason one should give up is if one’s physical or mental pain suffered in this existence becomes too much to bear (Deleuze?). There is great despair if one cannot get one’s message across. And there is a despair that there is no message to get across. But is this unique to sound? I think not. “A true relationship of trust is when you believe in the other party like it is a human being, even if it may be a machine. This kind of trust also improves the endurance of the machine. Believing in something strongly enough will eventually envelop the whole world into the situation.” –Tetuzi Akiyama, Route 13 to the Gates of Hell So we ought to be careful about not only what we believe but about what we say we believe. There is a form of experience, a shape to the truth, that resists being tames by opinion, public or otherwise. The work needs to attain this notation within itself. This is what William Blake said: “Everything possible to be believed is an image of truth.” We will never or only rarely (and accidentally?) encounter the outside of capitalism while sitting in front of our computers. But maybe capitalism is empty enough to be filled with an intention more profound than the superficiality of products, no matter what their relative merits in the established hierarchies of value. To be singular is to light a fire under context. Who will pass the matches, please? One's politics is not often readable in what one talks about so much as in what one refuses to talk about. -Jeff Gburek --- Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 6/22/05, xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx > <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > > > Not sure about that Bill. I've just heard a simple > piece called Cacerolada > > at the Sonic Arts Network Conference in > Scarborough, UK that made a very > > powerful political statement on several levels > without lyrics or voice > > samples. > > Interesting, mopani, and thanks for that tip. But > it doesn't change > my point. If you hear that group of sounds devoid > of the message > inherent in it, they're only sounds. The politics > comes later. > Paraphrasing Lyotard: a cave dweller inscribes a > figure on the wall > inside a cave. Is it art? Is it language? It is > neither. The > distinction will come later. > > > > On 6/22/05, Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Of course, in cases like this it's the context > that makes the recording > > meaningful -- not the sounds themselves... my > first reaction is that the > > contextualizing information here serves the same > roll as the lyrics in a > > protest song. > > Exactly, Aaron. > > > -- > What to the American slave is your 4th of July? I > answer: a day that > reveals to him, more than all other days in the > year, the gross > injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant > victim. To him, your > celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an > unholy license; your > national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of > rejoicing are > empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, > brass fronted > impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, > hollow mockery; your > prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, > with all your > religious parade and solemnity, are, to him, mere > bombast, fraud, > deception, impiety, and hypocrisy--a thin veil to > cover up crimes > which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is > not a nation on > the earth guilty of practices more shocking and > bloody than are the > people of the United States, at this very > hour.--Frederick Douglass > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 08:43:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36307-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32318 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:43:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 32308 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:43:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:43:03 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aQWDClMLpDxd+SQGxyyVAd5YnUy/og2pu4aycGB5HbGj0diho5Z2ighbQe6zUfd7HYV6ERAWkSdHT1QV/kJ2ZVdLTFG4zXLaf03TPutYh3b+VgS2Kjh77VW5V400aryadHkL1YSJiOLulxBAPKAQRmrk6KOfIMTy4LIofwWJm7Y= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/22/05, xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Not sure about that Bill. I've just heard a simple piece called Cacerolada > at the Sonic Arts Network Conference in Scarborough, UK that made a very > powerful political statement on several levels without lyrics or voice > samples. Interesting, mopani, and thanks for that tip. But it doesn't change my point. If you hear that group of sounds devoid of the message inherent in it, they're only sounds. The politics comes later. Paraphrasing Lyotard: a cave dweller inscribes a figure on the wall inside a cave. Is it art? Is it language? It is neither. The distinction will come later. On 6/22/05, Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Of course, in cases like this it's the context that makes the recording > meaningful -- not the sounds themselves... my first reaction is that the > contextualizing information here serves the same roll as the lyrics in a > protest song. Exactly, Aaron. -- What to the American slave is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy--a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour.--Frederick Douglass --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 08:38:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36306-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30664 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:38:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 30654 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:38:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:38:24 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sUIiHS/vAPjKwLEDfOK0QJRrraQenK1i17ktb0b5vy3gq0wu0RhgKeGjK5tU4JlCurJMQRm04a+FhnRm/yl1oaDppZyRCFH/k1FzeZ+AnhxGOrXtauLOEydQQBbN8p8vIpium6eyLWBHx5peJYbatUIzv9gMlJFUgwZ3xqzNMRg= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/22/05, graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > what??? > > so what you're saying is instrumental music is fundamentally apolitical? > no message. period. sound without meaning. buzz. blip. blop. > > hendrix's star spangled banner? > > muzak? > > white people playing jazz in the 50s? > > hardcore? > > pirate radio of any kind? > > bootlegs? > > hava nagila? > > i can't believe anyone would think that, especially on this list... why > bother making music at all... > > people can read anything they want into language as well... i don't get > your point. Nice to see you gettin' political there, Graham, but you're not really getting my point. There's nothing inherently political in sound and it's arrangements. It's the culture that surrounds it. You mentioned Hendrix. yes, very political piece that derives its political message from the cultural recognition of the number being played. yes, pirate radio is political too. Again, that's the culture surrounding a musical form. There's lots of political music. That's not what I'm saying. the question was whether a sound devoid of such a context, such a cultural trope, can be inherently political. I'll recall Achim Szepanski's point on this: "Music does not function as a carrier of messages but offers nothing but empty signification and resists any attempt for decoding. So it more or less allows any form of interpretation. Its only content is that of its own sound and the sound of a reality existing outside." But when you add lyrics, when you add a title, a rhetoric and discursive practice of transgression, like pirating a radio signal, then those sounds acquire a political dimension--after the fact. I'm all for that, of course. But sound itself is just sound--nothing more. -- What to the American slave is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy--a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour.--Frederick Douglass --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 08:32:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36305-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28290 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:32:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 28280 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:32:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:31:54 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CFYEPiV0FE2mKqGecDXMN/BqJ6AWfAcQXrIHpur50lp90RLtHowQEocSpTgYusAU33hr9XifhlORO/Ika3bWvnFK3qwdE5KxpDzInL4PMa1VyTsg429ByeUug8MxRcVCbY17G3ecFSj6eR36ByESDP2el5eEogu2NYPFTbWnSrU= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/22/05, Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >unless the forms are radical, which by now is pretty unlikely. > -Sounds pretty blase... > There will be always new forms in human art and in nature. > Only people not looking for it, will tell these things are unlikely. name one. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 07:28:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36304-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7619 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:28:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 7609 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:28:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > On 6/21/05, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > >> How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > >> and which has no voice samples? > > > > You can't. > > Not sure about that Bill. I've just heard a simple piece called Cacerolada > at the Sonic Arts Network Conference in Scarborough, UK that made a very > powerful political statement on several levels without lyrics or voice > samples. The piece, by Justin Bennett, was a recording of the people of > Barcelona banging kitchen utensils and the like in protest against the Iraq > war for which they eventually suffered a bombing, then overthrew their Of course, in cases like this it's the context that makes the recording meaningful -- not the sounds themselves... my first reaction is that the contextualizing information here serves the same roll as the lyrics in a protest song. I expect the melody of the latter case and the rhythmic thumping sounds in the former case are themselves asemantic and apolitical to a truly naive listener. Btw I'm quite interested in such recordings -- which are interesting not because of what they are as sound waves, but for the significance of their making, existinence, subject -- but do consider them a fundamentally different category of field recording -- a nontraditional one; maybe "conceptual field recording" is a good category label. My default example from my own work: a recording I made of the banal silence at the "killing tree" at the Choeung Ek killing fields in Cambodia. best aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 07:13:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36303-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2423 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:13:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 2413 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:13:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:13:16 +0100 From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEDECE1C.E647%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 22/6/05 02:11, Bill Ashline at xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx wrote: > On 6/21/05, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >> How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics >> and which has no voice samples? >> > > You can't. Not sure about that Bill. I've just heard a simple piece called Cacerolada at the Sonic Arts Network Conference in Scarborough, UK that made a very powerful political statement on several levels without lyrics or voice samples. The piece, by Justin Bennett, was a recording of the people of Barcelona banging kitchen utensils and the like in protest against the Iraq war for which they eventually suffered a bombing, then overthrew their government and got their troops out of Iraq For us in the UK it reminded us just how much more we could have done and how we were duped or perhaps just how little democracy their really is. And on and on, ie, political debate ensued. Very inspiring and a reinforcement of the power of sound. mopani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 06:59:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36302-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95385 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:59:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 95374 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:59:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:01:49 +0200 From: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: RE: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? In-reply-to: <007c01c5768a$18d69e50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx login:71925b1d09fec6f868aea9cb75dd0fbe X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001301c57668$9fb45880$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I guess the AC3 standard would fit best; it is also quite a common format on DVD and in digital TV; the other one is the "fraunhofer mp3-encoder" j ,. On 21 Jun 2005 at 12:53, Michael North wrote: > Franhoeffer(?) have released a surround mp3 encoder....is beta and only does > 192k....but you can do surround in apples ac3, ms wma and real ra as > well..................... > > //*-----Original Message----- > //*From: Kassen [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx] > //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:54 AM > //*To: microsound > //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? > //* > //*Adam Young > //* > //*> I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if there are any > //*> MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a portable format > //*like > //*> MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. > //* > //*Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like mp3 tend to > //*lose > //*the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple strategies > //*for > //*surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil the fun. > //* > //*Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple paralel files? > //* > //*Kas. > //* > //* > //* > //*--------------------------------------------------------------------- > //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 04:44:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36301-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59571 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:44:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 59559 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:44:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:43:10 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00cf01c576e5$09637af0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000c01c576ca$73574e20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <009b01c576d1$a11e3100$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <001501c576d4$71c35c20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx don't know if i had a problem except wanting you to explain more what you meant. which you did and which i enjoyed. now i get you r ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kassen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music > From: roberth; > >> i like marches. >> especially those of ives and braxton. > > Me too, especially those by Wolfgang Voight (techno counts, right?). I > also > like some waltzes and some odd time signature Jazz. I even like a ATR > track > or two. > >> isn't equating marches with oppression overly simplistic? >> r > > Well, yes in the case of mr. Empire. In the case of Vietnam era black > soldiers I´d say it´s a little obvious but not realy that simplistic as > such. I don´t think "simplistic" and "political" are opposed either. > "Simplistic" and "artistic value" could perhaps be considdered to be > opposed > but simplicity is often very successfull politically (examples of this > will > be found in tomorow´s newspaper, I´m sure). To me some of that Jazz sounds > quite succesfull artistically too. > > I don´t realy see your problem, notice also that I said nothing about the > relative value of either marches (or marching for that matter) or > political > systems; I merely pointed out and speculated on a possible angle on this. > I´m not at all fundamentally oposed to marches, if I were I´d need to look > for different boots :¬). > > One other interesting example is Chopin´s adoption of traditional Polish > forms as a political statement of patriotism. That could be argued to be > simplistic just as easily but that doesn´t harm my enjoyment of those > pieces > at all, even if admittedly they do not convey their intended meaning to me > personally, then again, I´m not polish, just like I was never shipped off > to > Vietnam. > > Yours, > Kas. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 03:22:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36299-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29431 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:22:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 29420 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:21:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:21:46 -0400 From: Frank D'Urso <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] RE:summertime project? [Untill the season changes...] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Y'all,,, SUMMERTIME for the northern hemisphericaloids. If somepeople are in the southern half of the world then it's okay if instea dthey convey winter or whatever else passers for teh weather people have THIS SEASON.... It's all relative. I'm saying it's okay and logical if someone from aussie land or brasilia were to submit something descriptive of their own weather seasonof winter monsoon. Frank "right?" D'Urso --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 03:45:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36300-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38090 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:45:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 38079 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:45:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:18:35 -0400 From: Frank D'Urso <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re: being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian; In the vinyl compilation THE DATE FORK SEEPS THE RIVER from Nauscopy records (www.nauscopy.com) we (Roman the Edge) recorded our parts on a day of big protests against GWB's oil war. These are improve noise recordings with one guitar and two synths. We just got into a frame of mind and set our theme and wandered. sometimes it worked out. the titles did carry some of the "story" of what we were playing/recording. Check out the Nauscopy website for the record, or I can trade you a CDr, or maybe email you a MP3 Frank "political" D'Urso --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 03:16:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36298-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26731 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:16:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 26721 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:16:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:15:47 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx graham miller wrote: > bootlegs? A major influence on me, or my ideas about sound, music, and communication, has been Cassette Boy's The Parker Tapes. These are all constructed of snippets of TV, radio, and pop-culture broadcasts. There's one in particular which is fantastic, it's a parody of 9/11, has gems like Frank Sinatra songs sliced up and cobbled together to form the statements "I'm round the bend, I'm mental, and I'm flying the plane"... "Let's fly, let's fly into buildings, Let's turn into ashes"... "when I get you up there, I'll be holding my knife deep in the heart of you"... "and now my skin is melting away". This isn't /music/ in the traditional sense but it's very powerful. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 03:06:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36297-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21765 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:06:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 21755 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:06:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:06:35 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx graham miller wrote: > do you not think the structure of music itself is not a statement? that > the choice of using one instrument over the other, or one chord, or one > scale versus another, is not a message in of itself? oh, it certainly is. I'm an activist as much as I am a composer (I'm in the process of learning how to be an activist through composition), I want my messages to reach people (otherwise what is the point of them?) If you have an audience of people whose experience of music is pop, which is as you say utterly unpolitical (despite expresses vast quantities of powerful status quo), how do you reach them? Consciously choosing one instrument over another is incredibly subtle. I have become convinced lately that subtlety can't work in reaching these people, you have to be unsubtle. Having dealt with the popular music scene for a while (trying to get my work played on the radio, having gigs and stuff) the strongest reaction I got was 'hey, that was good.' I got sick of hearing that. I want to somehow take the energy and the activism that happens inside the punk movement and deliver it to the non-punks; otherwise I'm preaching to the converted. It's no use peddling an anti-consumption message to an audience who already agrees with you. My activist/anarchist bones want to push the message outward. Desired response to a composition of mine is for a listener who hasn't thought about it to /question their assumptions about capitalism./ > are looping, repetition, sampling and thievery not political acts unto > themselves? .... yes, yes they are. > the human voice and the words that it sings are just a serious of sounds > linked together through syntax. how is this any different than any other > musical sound or language? In a world where rational justifications for ideas are pushed with little regard for emotional or instinctive or historical justifications, /verbal/ communication is king. It is very, very difficult to deliver a rational argument which will be considered as such via emotional means. I suppose in this case the response would be to ignore the rational and allow the emotional or the instinctive to show itself that it is every bit as strong as the rational. Much harder task to do with experimental audio. It angers me that Coldplay, who are clearly a bunch of fairly bright chaps, aren't using the very strong, simple emotional angles they are able to caress out of their music to actually say something meaningful about human relationships, rather than just continuing to peddle the same ideas of an inward-looking, individualistic, noncommunicative approach to 'romantic love'; when all of pop is already about 'romantic love' to such an extent that people don't actually know what it means to have love between friends any more. > music is no different. the listener requires the cypher to decode the > meaning in music, and this cypher is acquired the same way we learn any > new language, musical or otherwise. So what we as 'microsound' composers have to do is sit around and wait until our musical language becomes understood by the mainstream? Sod that, I'm not waiting, I want to hit people's assumptions on the head *NOW*. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 02:46:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36296-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13449 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:46:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 13438 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:46:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:45:23 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001501c576d4$71c35c20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000c01c576ca$73574e20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <009b01c576d1$a11e3100$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From: roberth; > i like marches. > especially those of ives and braxton. Me too, especially those by Wolfgang Voight (techno counts, right?). I also like some waltzes and some odd time signature Jazz. I even like a ATR track or two. > isn't equating marches with oppression overly simplistic? > r Well, yes in the case of mr. Empire. In the case of Vietnam era black soldiers I´d say it´s a little obvious but not realy that simplistic as such. I don´t think "simplistic" and "political" are opposed either. "Simplistic" and "artistic value" could perhaps be considdered to be opposed but simplicity is often very successfull politically (examples of this will be found in tomorow´s newspaper, I´m sure). To me some of that Jazz sounds quite succesfull artistically too. I don´t realy see your problem, notice also that I said nothing about the relative value of either marches (or marching for that matter) or political systems; I merely pointed out and speculated on a possible angle on this. I´m not at all fundamentally oposed to marches, if I were I´d need to look for different boots :¬). One other interesting example is Chopin´s adoption of traditional Polish forms as a political statement of patriotism. That could be argued to be simplistic just as easily but that doesn´t harm my enjoyment of those pieces at all, even if admittedly they do not convey their intended meaning to me personally, then again, I´m not polish, just like I was never shipped off to Vietnam. Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 02:25:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36295-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2226 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:25:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 2214 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:25:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:24:16 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <009b01c576d1$a11e3100$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000c01c576ca$73574e20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i like marches. especially those of ives and braxton. isn't equating marches with oppression overly simplistic? r ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kassen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music > Bill Ashline; > >> Some of the most overtly political >> music outside of the work of Cardew is the free jazz of the sixties, >> and that was all part of a process of social transformation and the >> political dimensions of the music came out in the culture that >> surrounded it--with tributes to Malcolm X, for example, and some of >> the clothes and styling of the musicians, like the Art Ensemble's >> tribal paint, etc. Without the cultural politics, the music isn't >> inherently political at all unless the forms are radical, which by now >> is pretty unlikely. > > I´d like to add to this the popularity of freeform music amongst rebelious > groups amongst comunistic eastern europe. I hear that especially Zappa was > favoured. It could be argued that in such situations perhaps a DJ is in a > better position to deliver social comentrary through music then a musician > is. In that situation, playing anything western was probably greater > statement then playing a western style. > > Alec Empire of Atari Teenage Riot *ducks* claimed they used breakbeats > because you couldn´t march to broken beats. Now, I don´t think actual > marching was a great problem in berlin in the 90´s but it´s interesting > that > he expressed this idea. > > It would be interesting from this perspective to look into odd > timesignature > use amongst the jazz played by U.S. armymen during the Vietnam war. I > would > say that if they would play music while off duty that tried to get away > from > forms reminicant of the march then that could be argued to be political > but > with jazz it´s hard to tell since jazz from that period (to my knowledge) > generally has little to do with the march anyway. > > Difficult topic. > > Kas. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 01:35:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36294-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73338 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:35:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 73327 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:35:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:33:51 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c576ca$73574e20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline; > Some of the most overtly political > music outside of the work of Cardew is the free jazz of the sixties, > and that was all part of a process of social transformation and the > political dimensions of the music came out in the culture that > surrounded it--with tributes to Malcolm X, for example, and some of > the clothes and styling of the musicians, like the Art Ensemble's > tribal paint, etc. Without the cultural politics, the music isn't > inherently political at all unless the forms are radical, which by now > is pretty unlikely. I´d like to add to this the popularity of freeform music amongst rebelious groups amongst comunistic eastern europe. I hear that especially Zappa was favoured. It could be argued that in such situations perhaps a DJ is in a better position to deliver social comentrary through music then a musician is. In that situation, playing anything western was probably greater statement then playing a western style. Alec Empire of Atari Teenage Riot *ducks* claimed they used breakbeats because you couldn´t march to broken beats. Now, I don´t think actual marching was a great problem in berlin in the 90´s but it´s interesting that he expressed this idea. It would be interesting from this perspective to look into odd timesignature use amongst the jazz played by U.S. armymen during the Vietnam war. I would say that if they would play music while off duty that tried to get away from forms reminicant of the march then that could be argued to be political but with jazz it´s hard to tell since jazz from that period (to my knowledge) generally has little to do with the march anyway. Difficult topic. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 01:32:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36293-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70056 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:32:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 70043 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:32:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:30:44 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what??? so what you're saying is instrumental music is fundamentally apolitical? no message. period. sound without meaning. buzz. blip. blop. hendrix's star spangled banner? muzak? white people playing jazz in the 50s? hardcore? pirate radio of any kind? bootlegs? hava nagila? i can't believe anyone would think that, especially on this list... why bother making music at all... people can read anything they want into language as well... i don't get your point. g. > On 6/21/05, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > > and which has no voice samples? > > > > You can't. People can read anything they want into music, because > music doesn't have any apriori political signifiers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 01:22:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36291-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63110 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:22:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 63100 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:22:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:22:41 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300bede6d160d98@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >unless the forms are radical, which by now is pretty unlikely. -Sounds pretty blase... There will be always new forms in human art and in nature. Only people not looking for it, will tell these things are unlikely. 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Wed Jun 22 01:18:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36290-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57565 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:18:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 57555 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:18:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:11:45 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CLPFp1sDxtz5SLgxnRiyeflakIn7nNfnaJno2dQ1dLzxz72uPpCsXGugc/3aShiD/YcVvB0q1FkWFiVG4NbVWYMF0gQYNdhXoGjo2TEXedglxuXApRgadqq1ZHzIHeATK/JUnqwsa2oiytf7kL0Bl/gPfEEqVIEK1GMJEJ1NEws= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/21/05, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > You can't. People can read anything they want into music, because music doesn't have any apriori political signifiers. The best way to give a political color to basically apolitical sonics is to use political titles and packaging. Some of the most overtly political music outside of the work of Cardew is the free jazz of the sixties, and that was all part of a process of social transformation and the political dimensions of the music came out in the culture that surrounded it--with tributes to Malcolm X, for example, and some of the clothes and styling of the musicians, like the Art Ensemble's tribal paint, etc. Without the cultural politics, the music isn't inherently political at all unless the forms are radical, which by now is pretty unlikely. -- What to the American slave is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy--a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour.--Frederick Douglass --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 22 01:30:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36292-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67677 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:30:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 67666 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:30:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:47:58 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > and think about this: the popular music on the radio is some of the > most > apolitical, apathetic music in the entire universe. and it's > chock-full of > 'lyrics.' Good point. The world is awash in political messages in and out of music... you can go to the library and find stacks of utopias, dig through music history and find tons of examples of beautiful amazing music chock full of political meaning and important messages. But I suppose the thing to consider is that the vast majority of these works are not particularly active in the world. It seems to be worth thinking very very carefully about a few things... What works are there that have actually held a significant amount of political power? What kinds of forces should we expect a politically powerful piece of music to exert, and on what things? (Is it enough to inspire a few people here and there to find out more about some subject? Can a piece of music, playing a piece of music, making a particular sound, have symbolic power that's worthwhile? Is a shitty band playing shitty music, but producing it in a politically meaningful and positive way worthwhile? What about an amazing musician producing amazing music in an utterly apolitical, neutral, powerless way?) > > do you not think the structure of music itself is not a statement? that > the choice of using one instrument over the other, or one chord, or one > scale versus another, is not a message in of itself? I would agree that all of us, as music listeners and makers, need to acknowledge that these kinds of things /all/ have political meaning. But, saying that they have political meaning is not saying much at all ('X is a political message in itself', where X is nearly anything). The tricky bit is knowing exactly where that meaning lies, exactly what the message is. > > the human voice and the words that it sings are just a serious of > sounds > linked together through syntax. how is this any different than any > other > musical sound or language? > > an intense political or philosophical statement in mandarin is not > going > to resonate with a listener unless they speak mandarin. > > music is no different. the listener requires the cypher to decode the > meaning in music, and this cypher is acquired the same way we learn any > new language, musical or otherwise. > > in essence it gets down to 'getting it.' get it? > > sound signifies. just like a stop sign that doesn't need the word > 'stop' > written on it. just like a cross or a swastika. just like a middle > finger. > the sound of sound signifies. you don't need words. sounds are words. > words are sounds. I don't think this is quite right, though. Talking about music as if it were language, as if it encapsulated meaning in a language-like way is very tempting, but I think it can also cut music off at the legs. There are any number of things that are "listening to music", there are any number of ways we can hash out what goes on between me and a piece of music. One of them is with meaning-talk, signifier-talk, but this is certainly not the only one. What other ways can we talk about music besides using terms like 'messages' and 'meaning'? In what ways can music be (can we /make music that is/) politically powerful without it's having a message, a meaning, a cypher of any kind. Can we imagine a piece of music that is incredibly powerful, politically or otherwise, but one that, when we run it through the meaning-talk-machine, when we try to figure out it's cypher, it only comes out the other side a grey pool of mush, nothing interesting at all? We can talk about Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima as having meaning like this, we can discuss the cypher that was used, and point to this and that as if we were teaching the names of objects to a child. But it seems like even once we've talked it into the ground, we've only touched the tiniest bit of what is actually there, and what is actually valuable about it. If the discussion stopped there, wouldn't we be selling it short? Sound /does/ signify, but I think it does other things too. Also, with regard to meaning and music, the following is very worth reading: I suppose, rather than parrot a bunch of ideas that were better stated elsewhere, the following is worth reading: http://www.atypedigital.com/~fscthaw/texts/DifferencesRahn.pdf - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 23:01:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36289-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28568 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:01:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 28558 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:01:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:39 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Judging from the approach you seem to be interested in, you would probably get the most out of looking into Trevor Wishart's music. His piece Redbird is one of the better (and maybe the most paradigmatic) example of this kind of thing that comes to my mind. (I could throw a copy online if you're interested, recordings can be few and far between). His later work is worth exploring as well. You should /definitely/ take a look at his book On Sonic Art as well. I've got some issues with his approach to music, but his work on these kinds of problems (meaning in music, mostly) is really extensive and interesting. - Scott Carver On Jun 21, 2005, at 7:50 AM, Damian Stewart wrote: > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > > As I grow younger, more naive, and more idealistic, I'm becoming > increasingly interested in music as a way of expressing opinion, as a > way of spreading consciousness about things that don't find their way > into the media. I'd like to believe I can do this using non-verbal > music, that is, music with no lyrics and no voice samples (eg, of > politicians). > > Without using liner notes or track titles (because when music is > transmitted over the internet all you get is the .mp3 file), how does > one attach clear, unambiguous meaning to non-verbal sound? What are > the precedents? I imagine there's some punks out there somewhere who > are as I write experimenting with this stuff but I can't read all the > zines that exist so I can't hear about them.. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 22:58:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36288-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25174 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:58:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 25162 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:58:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] Tiger + microsound software To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 28 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_d8FwyjkjRul2Skw9AhQq8Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_d8FwyjkjRul2Skw9AhQq8Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently got a new (mac) machine and I am enjoying the splendours of OS 10.4.1. Im trying to get Cecilia to work, and I just cannot. If there is anybody on this list who is successfully using Cecilia with Tiger, could you explain to me how this can be done? Feel free to email me off list, although it may well be of interest if anyone else is using Cecilia and in a similar jam. Regards Rob --Boundary_(ID_d8FwyjkjRul2Skw9AhQq8Q)-- From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 21:50:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36287-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84664 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:50:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 84651 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:50:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:48:32 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001f01c576ab$24c23640$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i got a post from another list today that talked about this problem: "The three pieces in this suite were created by processing live radio coverage of the 2004 presidential election using computer music software. While to some extent, the use of political media materials as source sounds in a work of radical music could be considered pat or outmoded, there was value in this endeavor. The transformative properties of digital signal processing allowed me to uncover the "choral" component inherent in news broadcasts: the anchors form a choir of voices singing in unison, complicit amongst themselves to the authorship whose script they are doomed to read from. The Agency of the newsanchor is limited, or submissive to government and capital, or both. I had concerns that simply processing my radio was not a truly radical platform. That being said, it is an attempt to tear away the fabric of appearances, and some kind of momentary relief was derived from the process. If you don't find this recording sonically or politically persuasive, try using a simple audio processing tool to dissect the media you absorb. You might be more edified by trying the process first-hand." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Stewart" <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > > As I grow younger, more naive, and more idealistic, I'm becoming > increasingly interested in music as a way of expressing opinion, as a > way of spreading consciousness about things that don't find their way > into the media. I'd like to believe I can do this using non-verbal > music, that is, music with no lyrics and no voice samples (eg, of > politicians). > > Without using liner notes or track titles (because when music is > transmitted over the internet all you get is the .mp3 file), how does > one attach clear, unambiguous meaning to non-verbal sound? What are the > precedents? I imagine there's some punks out there somewhere who are as > I write experimenting with this stuff but I can't read all the zines > that exist so I can't hear about them.. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 19:12:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36286-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8299 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:12:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 8288 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:12:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:11:55 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_U70UJG/I8ZXd7c6m48jOxQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OmrY+0mye7D4TxlOhpNbIKyrN4BUIGd4bBGFb7BOTV45psCiDXUBY4NTq4GhVspFUWqxYHuGmjZLlH+PXU1DiLh5TfQNjYUFPVFwG7l3HFWknZR7FuIDDhpKFY/T8ralfWhgb9oniWpHLV/yiDD6CQmWi3rODeai8Eq5TXCj/Ls= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_U70UJG/I8ZXd7c6m48jOxQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think converting from WMA to MP3 would likely compress the audio further, wouldn't it? I don't think it would be too difficult to users, Mac or PC, to convert WMA to WAV or AIFF for manipulation. That said, I'll vote for whatever format they're currently in. - QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/21/05, bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > i went to eight different parks this weekend, in > Austin Texas, and made field recordings for ten > minutes at each one. one park had a waterfall. one > other had the sounds of black families having > pic-nics and celebrating a holiday called june teenth. > i talked to little kids on swings and so forth. > though this was intended for another project, all of > the files were filled with sounds of "summer". i'de > like to upload these as a foundation for getting > something concrete started. only thing is, my > portable digital recorder only records to WMA. i > didn't like it either, so i can rip to mp3, if the > format will make it easier for us all to contribute > to. > > > one hundred degrees, > b/g > > > > > Sous les pavés, la plage ! > > > > The beach is everywhere. > > > > So it should be with eric the sonic half-a-bee. > > > > > I agree, SUMMERTIME might be a much better fit > > than BEACH > > > > > > or maybe just SUMMER > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:22 PM, chris mcnamara wrote: > > > > > >> i do think that "Summertime" and "Beach" are both > > evocative - but > > >> that Summertime might allow for more > > interpretations/access points > > >> for participants... > > >> > > >> What do others think? > > >> > > >> ciao > > >> > > >> Chris > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Tue Jun 21 18:25:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36285-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83013 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:25:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 83001 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:25:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:25:52 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004001c5768e$a85d0830$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks for posting book tips! Why not put up these over at the TWiki? Here is the direct link... http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/MicrosoundBookList /Björn Eriksson > you can't be serious? > > the answer to your question is a 1000 page response but... > > ...for starters, read this from cover to cover (it's short): > > Noise: The Political Economy of Music > Jacques Attali > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 16:53:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36282-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28059 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:53:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 28048 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:53:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:53:13 -0500 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? In-reply-to: <001301c57668$9fb45880$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <007c01c5768a$18d69e50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Franhoeffer(?) have released a surround mp3 encoder....is beta and only does 192k....but you can do surround in apples ac3, ms wma and real ra as well..................... //*-----Original Message----- //*From: Kassen [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx] //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:54 AM //*To: microsound //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? //* //*Adam Young //* //*> I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if there are any //*> MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a portable format //*like //*> MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. //* //*Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like mp3 tend to //*lose //*the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple strategies //*for //*surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil the fun. //* //*Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple paralel files? //* //*Kas. //* //* //* //*--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 17:31:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36284-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49993 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:31:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 49982 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:31:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:30:58 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? In-reply-to: <007c01c5768a$18d69e50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <007c01c5768a$18d69e50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx AC3 is Dolby Digital, not Apple. So naturally, it does surround. Apple's lossless implementation is m4a, MPEG layer 4, the audio portion of an MPEG 4 movie. To my knowledge, it's dual channel only. That goes for WMA and RealAudio too, AFAIK. You may want to look into flac, which has multi-channel support; I believe there is some work being done on the surround sound capabilities of flac. http://flac.sourceforge.net/ matt On Jun 21, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael North wrote: > Franhoeffer(?) have released a surround mp3 encoder....is beta and > only does > 192k....but you can do surround in apples ac3, ms wma and real ra as > well..................... > > //*-----Original Message----- > //*From: Kassen [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx] > //*Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:54 AM > //*To: microsound > //*Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? > //* > //*Adam Young > //* > //*> I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if there > are any > //*> MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a > portable format > //*like > //*> MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. > //* > //*Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like mp3 > tend to > //*lose > //*the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple > strategies > //*for > //*surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil > the fun. > //* > //*Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple > paralel files? > //* > //*Kas. > //* > //* > //* > // > *--------------------------------------------------------------------- > //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > //*website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 17:11:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36283-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36974 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:11:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 36964 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:11:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:09:55 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx you can't be serious? the answer to your question is a 1000 page response but... ....for starters, read this from cover to cover (it's short): Noise: The Political Economy of Music Jacques Attali and think about this: the popular music on the radio is some of the most apolitical, apathetic music in the entire universe. and it's chock-full of 'lyrics.' do you not think the structure of music itself is not a statement? that the choice of using one instrument over the other, or one chord, or one scale versus another, is not a message in of itself? are looping, repetition, sampling and thievery not political acts unto themselves? the human voice and the words that it sings are just a serious of sounds linked together through syntax. how is this any different than any other musical sound or language? an intense political or philosophical statement in mandarin is not going to resonate with a listener unless they speak mandarin. music is no different. the listener requires the cypher to decode the meaning in music, and this cypher is acquired the same way we learn any new language, musical or otherwise. in essence it gets down to 'getting it.' get it? sound signifies. just like a stop sign that doesn't need the word 'stop' written on it. just like a cross or a swastika. just like a middle finger. the sound of sound signifies. you don't need words. sounds are words. words are sounds. even for the jedi, it is time to rest. graham. Damian Stewart wrote: > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > > As I grow younger, more naive, and more idealistic, I'm becoming > increasingly interested in music as a way of expressing opinion, as a > way of spreading consciousness about things that don't find their way > into the media. I'd like to believe I can do this using non-verbal > music, that is, music with no lyrics and no voice samples (eg, of > politicians). > > Without using liner notes or track titles (because when music is > transmitted over the internet all you get is the .mp3 file), how does > one attach clear, unambiguous meaning to non-verbal sound? What are the > precedents? I imagine there's some punks out there somewhere who are as > I write experimenting with this stuff but I can't read all the zines > that exist so I can't hear about them.. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 16:50:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36281-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25385 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:50:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 25375 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:50:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:50:28 -0400 From: "tobias c. van Veen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEDDBD94.208F9%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx np . Underground Resistance -- see Kodwo Eshun's _More Brilliant Than the Sun_, the thesis you mention guides the book for the most part -- tV > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > > As I grow younger, more naive, and more idealistic, I'm becoming > increasingly interested in music as a way of expressing opinion, as a > way of spreading consciousness about things that don't find their way > into the media. I'd like to believe I can do this using non-verbal > music, that is, music with no lyrics and no voice samples (eg, of > politicians). > > Without using liner notes or track titles (because when music is > transmitted over the internet all you get is the .mp3 file), how does > one attach clear, unambiguous meaning to non-verbal sound? What are the > precedents? I imagine there's some punks out there somewhere who are as > I write experimenting with this stuff but I can't read all the zines > that exist so I can't hear about them.. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org tobias c. van Veen -----------++++ http://www.quadrantcrossing.org -- http://www.thisistheonlyart.com -- McGill Communication + Philosophy ICQ: 18766209 | AIM: thesaibot +++ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 16:36:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36280-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15343 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:36:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 15333 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:36:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:36:52 +0300 From: Christos Carras <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian Stewart wrote: > How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics > and which has no voice samples? > If we start with a (very broad) definitin of "politics" as "power struggle in society" and if you accept that the way we think / are brought up to think entrench certain types of relationships of power in forms that arehave a determining influence on our way of conceptualising and therefore understanding the world, then "wordless political music" would be one that through the way of organising sound deconstructed these conceptual "givens". cc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 16:01:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36279-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97527 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 97515 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RX8g1yl3huOYWZyAMb5bieZb3GEHkkwINJPq0ZPTupW/1JWUEoTxjHilVUW5j7IseaGWUi1yglH9iMqncJGDJ1nzEVEgmaQKc/fQ8La2fWU590TwT2VAFH/cV+8iAE90WrOZXk/CkpntnhsV0avCrtd3d3nzNfKSWvmiz+bkHV0= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i went to eight different parks this weekend, in Austin Texas, and made field recordings for ten minutes at each one. one park had a waterfall. one other had the sounds of black families having pic-nics and celebrating a holiday called june teenth. i talked to little kids on swings and so forth. though this was intended for another project, all of the files were filled with sounds of "summer". i'de like to upload these as a foundation for getting something concrete started. only thing is, my portable digital recorder only records to WMA. i didn't like it either, so i can rip to mp3, if the format will make it easier for us all to contribute to. one hundred degrees, b/g > > Sous les pavés, la plage ! > > The beach is everywhere. > > So it should be with eric the sonic half-a-bee. > > > I agree, SUMMERTIME might be a much better fit > than BEACH > > > > or maybe just SUMMER > > > > On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:22 PM, chris mcnamara wrote: > > > >> i do think that "Summertime" and "Beach" are both > evocative - but > >> that Summertime might allow for more > interpretations/access points > >> for participants... > >> > >> What do others think? > >> > >> ciao > >> > >> Chris > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tue Jun 21 14:54:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36278-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67851 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:54:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 67840 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:54:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:50:42 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] being 'political' in non-verbal music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx How do you get across political messages in music which has no lyrics and which has no voice samples? As I grow younger, more naive, and more idealistic, I'm becoming increasingly interested in music as a way of expressing opinion, as a way of spreading consciousness about things that don't find their way into the media. I'd like to believe I can do this using non-verbal music, that is, music with no lyrics and no voice samples (eg, of politicians). Without using liner notes or track titles (because when music is transmitted over the internet all you get is the .mp3 file), how does one attach clear, unambiguous meaning to non-verbal sound? What are the precedents? I imagine there's some punks out there somewhere who are as I write experimenting with this stuff but I can't read all the zines that exist so I can't hear about them.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 13:54:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36277-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41384 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:54:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 41366 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:54:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:53:35 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001301c57668$9fb45880$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCDDCE.4C94%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Adam Young > I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if there are any > MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a portable format like > MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. Somebody correct me if I´m wrong, but I believe codecs like mp3 tend to lose the phase relations of the material. I think the more simple strategies for surround depend on those which would mean encoding will spoil the fun. Depending on your aplication you could work with multiple paralel files? Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 12:51:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36276-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9738 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:51:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 9713 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:51:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:51:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Xbsp1E6/ikFF4HRm40mlww)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XRUDSwPUp+K9D/4YS5f/UB2Rcq7A/vXRc0hQWHF7w42U7TB0miaACzlh87RFq5o0LovXOslP0xVcaqeU2Bhh4e15y/A5b4Fl7DnEBSq/Sk/dyC4uuteoTfybgHFFpxDXUN0ETHPRehZsCY3mno4Hz+kir1henHGfRPIWhiHFkpc= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Xbsp1E6/ikFF4HRm40mlww) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well said too. And it's a good invitation for flying away across the natural frontiers. mika. nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> escribió: well said. given my tendencies with regards to climate, even though i'm in the northern hemisphere right now, i'd much rather be thinking about snow, rain, and cold, than beaches, heat, and humidity. i think a cross-hemisphere collaboration would be interesting: those in the south send the sounds of winter to those in the north, and vice versa. thus one's current environment and the source material are 180 degrees out of phase. i think this juxtaposition could cause some interesting threads to emerge in the final result. nick On 6/20/05, Julian Knowles wrote: > I have only one thing to say on this.... > > "the southern hemisphere" > > .... > > .. > > ? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org + + + + + + + + + + + + + [M!M] [CHILE] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! 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Tue Jun 21 02:22:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36275-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17898 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:22:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 17887 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:22:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:21:57 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PTbloqNLHctwnKrORJ8JqVAeoZPvD+PiquOwSeKZI7J9xLWIplH1UgDtDkDZn+qYspIwn+iOa06hurHB1g2eHTput675Qn1QlYKXHw7uHBAJDOqQ5sFuCrzA2kxdyukIMY57IyEBe7sQpIWeJsLi1eUv2TaFZWQ5jnE4mUlI5D0= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well said. given my tendencies with regards to climate, even though i'm in the northern hemisphere right now, i'd much rather be thinking about snow, rain, and cold, than beaches, heat, and humidity. i think a cross-hemisphere collaboration would be interesting: those in the south send the sounds of winter to those in the north, and vice versa. thus one's current environment and the source material are 180 degrees out of phase. i think this juxtaposition could cause some interesting threads to emerge in the final result. nick On 6/20/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > I have only one thing to say on this.... > > "the southern hemisphere" > > .... > > .. > > ? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 05:06:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36274-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76704 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:55:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 76694 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:55:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:55:42 -0400 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Portable audio codecs w surround? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEDCDDCE.4C94%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm new to the surround sound game.. I was wondering if there are any MP3-like audio codecs that support surround sound in a portable format like MP3s that can be downloaded and played with a player, etc. Any leads? -adam adam young tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 03:36:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36273-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72896 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:50:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 72883 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:50:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:51:45 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE:summertime project? [Untill the season changes...] In-reply-to: <l03130300bedd0858c670@[213.84.105.55]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <l03130300bedd0858c670@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think it's important to recognize that, yes, Summer is here now - starting tomorrow on the Northern Hemisphere. This doesn't mean that folks in the Southern hemisphere are locked out. Instead, it becomes, for those Southern Hemispher(ites?) interested, an opportunity to reconstruct from memories and impressions, any summer, experienced anywhere in the world at any time in the present or past. I can imagine being asked to compose/produce a piece about Winter and would be excited by the challenge. On Jun 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> "the southern hemisphere" > -Everyone likes to lock him/herself up in their own little > perception-island. > Remaining ignorant of the world around it. > Untill the season changes... > > AvS > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + > > ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | > | http://www.schreck.nl/ | > | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | > ` *===========================================================++ > ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | > ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | > ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | > ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | > > ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | > > *===========================================================++ > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 05:04:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36272-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51844 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:01:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 51831 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:01:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:01:01 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] RE:summertime project? [Untill the season changes...] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300bedd0858c670@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >"the southern hemisphere" -Everyone likes to lock him/herself up in their own little perception-island. Remaining ignorant of the world around it. Untill the season changes... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 04:52:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36271-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40532 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:42:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 40522 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:42:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:42:12 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have only one thing to say on this.... "the southern hemisphere" ..... ... ? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 21:08:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36270-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67005 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:08:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 66989 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:08:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:08:25 -0400 From: "tobias c. van Veen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEDCA889.20878%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sous les pavés, la plage ! The beach is everywhere. So it should be with eric the sonic half-a-bee. > I agree, SUMMERTIME might be a much better fit than BEACH > > or maybe just SUMMER > > On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:22 PM, chris mcnamara wrote: > >> i do think that "Summertime" and "Beach" are both evocative - but >> that Summertime might allow for more interpretations/access points >> for participants... >> >> What do others think? >> >> ciao >> >> Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 21 03:34:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36269-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.5.169]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz3.hyperreal.org (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net with SMTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:35:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 47344 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:30:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 47332 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:30:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:30:33 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,216,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="10824258:sNHT16373284" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree, SUMMERTIME might be a much better fit than BEACH or maybe just SUMMER On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:22 PM, chris mcnamara wrote: > i do think that "Summertime" and "Beach" are both evocative - but > that Summertime might allow for more interpretations/access points > for participants... > > What do others think? > > ciao > > Chris > > > On Jun 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Frank D'Urso wrote: > > >> I'd/we like to participate. >> >> Why don't you just collect whatever people send you, putting it >> all together is the fun part. >> >> I kind of imagine natural/environmental/sounds of teh modernworld >> mixed with microsounds elctronically produced, kind of a wash of >> sounds from all different angles that somehow say summer time each >> in their onw way. >> >> I can hear the high way very loudly from here, but also lots of >> nature then segue into electronic noise vice/versa.....or are you >> thinking all teh best parts of pet sounds? >> >> Frank "Roman the Edge" D'Urso >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> <<<Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) >> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? >> Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> >> >> Here's my proposal: >> >> (Micro)Sounds-of-Summer MegaMix or SPF45: >> Construct a pop song for the summer months. Final set of tracks could >> be mixed down into a non-stop megamix, designed to be played in cars, >> at the beach, houseparties, or on warm summer nights. Songs should >> be a >> 3-4 minute radio edit. Genre and production method of your choice, >> keep >> tongue firmly planted in cheek.>>>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 20:30:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36268-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46378 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:30:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 46362 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:30:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:30:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ClrZsU3WpmkFQ4Xxtv8hlA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y0iMR8aDgbZIJuW0OlGarQJxuO1fvsSBGiG54GVKdHF7EPtp2tAfWOlxZ2AopqAwPOyiZtfcJS613/6Z8O4k92w7g/0WuWDhXddD0XfkD1cjTWioK05H1Ykvb0+/q8uymsgRgWpTriaG0bi3oZ8pkyztvntXAD84G+GKR/7s5j0= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ClrZsU3WpmkFQ4Xxtv8hlA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "summertime" is good for those who live in a city without beach/sea and in the other (winter) hemisphere... mika. chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> escribió: i do think that "Summertime" and "Beach" are both evocative - but that Summertime might allow for more interpretations/access points for participants... What do others think? ciao Chris On Jun 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Frank D'Urso wrote: > I'd/we like to participate. > > Why don't you just collect whatever people send you, putting it all > together is the fun part. > > I kind of imagine natural/environmental/sounds of teh modernworld > mixed with microsounds elctronically produced, kind of a wash of > sounds from all different angles that somehow say summer time each in > their onw way. > > I can hear the high way very loudly from here, but also lots of nature > then segue into electronic noise vice/versa.....or are you thinking > all teh best parts of pet sounds? > > Frank "Roman the Edge" D'Urso > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<> To: microsound > From: "P. Lasell" > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > Here's my proposal: > > (Micro)Sounds-of-Summer MegaMix or SPF45: > Construct a pop song for the summer months. Final set of tracks could > be mixed down into a non-stop megamix, designed to be played in cars, > at the beach, houseparties, or on warm summer nights. Songs should be a > 3-4 minute radio edit. Genre and production method of your choice, keep > tongue firmly planted in cheek.>>>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org + + + + + + + + + + + + + [M!M] [CHILE] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_ClrZsU3WpmkFQ4Xxtv8hlA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 20:20:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36267-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39824 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:20:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 39808 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:20:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:22:03 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i do think that "Summertime" and "Beach" are both evocative - but that Summertime might allow for more interpretations/access points for participants... What do others think? ciao Chris On Jun 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Frank D'Urso wrote: > I'd/we like to participate. > > Why don't you just collect whatever people send you, putting it all > together is the fun part. > > I kind of imagine natural/environmental/sounds of teh modernworld > mixed with microsounds elctronically produced, kind of a wash of > sounds from all different angles that somehow say summer time each in > their onw way. > > I can hear the high way very loudly from here, but also lots of nature > then segue into electronic noise vice/versa.....or are you thinking > all teh best parts of pet sounds? > > Frank "Roman the Edge" D'Urso > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<<Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > Here's my proposal: > > (Micro)Sounds-of-Summer MegaMix or SPF45: > Construct a pop song for the summer months. Final set of tracks could > be mixed down into a non-stop megamix, designed to be played in cars, > at the beach, houseparties, or on warm summer nights. Songs should be a > 3-4 minute radio edit. Genre and production method of your choice, keep > tongue firmly planted in cheek.>>>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 18:19:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36266-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81579 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:19:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 81569 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:19:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:18:48 -0400 From: Frank D'Urso <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'd/we like to participate. Why don't you just collect whatever people send you, putting it all together is the fun part. I kind of imagine natural/environmental/sounds of teh modernworld mixed with microsounds elctronically produced, kind of a wash of sounds from all different angles that somehow say summer time each in their onw way. I can hear the high way very loudly from here, but also lots of nature then segue into electronic noise vice/versa.....or are you thinking all teh best parts of pet sounds? Frank "Roman the Edge" D'Urso ------------------------------------------------------------------- <<<Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Here's my proposal: (Micro)Sounds-of-Summer MegaMix or SPF45: Construct a pop song for the summer months. Final set of tracks could be mixed down into a non-stop megamix, designed to be played in cars, at the beach, houseparties, or on warm summer nights. Songs should be a 3-4 minute radio edit. Genre and production method of your choice, keep tongue firmly planted in cheek.>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 17:52:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36265-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67082 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:52:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 67072 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:52:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:53:42 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] BEACH MIX In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay. Is there consensus, though, that it be distilled down to the specifics of BEACH? On Jun 20, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Mr.D wrote: > I agree with John, the wiki should be used both to collaborate on the > ruleset and the actual work submission. Perhaps there should be a date > where the ruleset is firm and no further suggestions can be taken. I'm > all for this, and agree that with little effort we can keep it > congealed. :) > > Possible time window for submissions: one month after the summer > solstice (tonight) > > The work or system of works must [ relate to | encapsulate | > communicate ] the word: BEACH > > Questions you may ask yourself when thinking about submitting: > > What beauty is there to be found between the sounds of our > surroundings? > > How can my [ style | approach | genre | process ] relate to > microsound? > > How does the "digital aesthetic" find its way into and out of the > environment? > > matt > > > On Jun 20, 2005, at 8:13 AM, john saylor wrote: > >> hi >> >> On 6/20/05, chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >>> How do we want to >>> facilitate this? What is the timeline? Will somebody host it and when >>> we have a nice collection even do a cd-r release? >>> >> >> >> traditionally projects have floundered unless they were initiated by >> kim. maybe this will be different. this is what i would suggest. >> >> - agree on the 'rules' [aesthetic notes, file formats, time window for >> acceptance of submissions] >> - post an announcement with the rules to the list >> - i can make a wiki page to hold the submissions >> - eventually, someone will make a nice web front end for them > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 16:58:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36264-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28408 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:58:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 28396 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:58:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:58:03 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] BEACH MIX In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree with John, the wiki should be used both to collaborate on the ruleset and the actual work submission. Perhaps there should be a date where the ruleset is firm and no further suggestions can be taken. I'm all for this, and agree that with little effort we can keep it congealed. :) Possible time window for submissions: one month after the summer solstice (tonight) The work or system of works must [ relate to | encapsulate | communicate ] the word: BEACH Questions you may ask yourself when thinking about submitting: What beauty is there to be found between the sounds of our surroundings? How can my [ style | approach | genre | process ] relate to microsound? How does the "digital aesthetic" find its way into and out of the environment? matt On Jun 20, 2005, at 8:13 AM, john saylor wrote: > hi > > On 6/20/05, chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> How do we want to >> facilitate this? What is the timeline? Will somebody host it and when >> we have a nice collection even do a cd-r release? >> > > > traditionally projects have floundered unless they were initiated by > kim. maybe this will be different. this is what i would suggest. > > - agree on the 'rules' [aesthetic notes, file formats, time window for > acceptance of submissions] > - post an announcement with the rules to the list > - i can make a wiki page to hold the submissions > - eventually, someone will make a nice web front end for them --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 15:14:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36263-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77061 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:14:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 77051 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:14:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:13:58 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] BEACH MIX In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ERQO/3ASh5Kmh6MG5qa9miZ5r7ykGAgCgzOaZ8WpkO1AnPvJyPlkfLzIhR3KevqzyW/PMwz1FdDaKOgk6FbOgLaPrHMWtueEcT0nfvAow/ybPURKJ0P+cn3SQ8nKbBflzaTKahFFC9q6xi8PZ80GrD/KZmdc85luj/DADItvifM= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/20/05, chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > How do we want to > facilitate this? What is the timeline? Will somebody host it and when > we have a nice collection even do a cd-r release? traditionally projects have floundered unless they were initiated by kim. maybe this will be different. this is what i would suggest. - agree on the 'rules' [aesthetic notes, file formats, time window for acceptance of submissions] - post an announcement with the rules to the list - i can make a wiki page to hold the submissions - eventually, someone will make a nice web front end for them -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 14:13:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36262-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51242 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:13:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 51232 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:13:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:18:13 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] BEACH MIX In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx So, let's get this rolling. Lots of great discussion. How do we want to facilitate this? What is the timeline? Will somebody host it and when we have a nice collection even do a cd-r release? ciao Chris On Sunday, June 19, 2005, at 02:44 PM, B wrote: > I’m definitely up for the beach idea. Nice and focused – and there’s > lot to play with in terms of sonic content – both natural sounds – and > the sounds of people, radios, surfboards etc. Memories of days out on > the sand. > > I’ve just moved from Eastbourne to Southampton. And even though > there's a coastline here, it’s all very industrial. On a hot sunny > day like today I’m missing the beaches at Eastbourne and Brighton. > Brighton beach rocks – and my ears are still ringing from the > fantastic summer beach gigs that Fat Boy Slim put on a couple of years > back. > > Peace. > > B > > On 19 Jun 2005, at 17:23, Adam Young wrote: > >> You might be on to something here.. >> >> The microkorg thing I wanted to do for Robotopera sort of had this in >> mind.. >> I am sure there are lots of such devices, but the microkorg is battery >> powered so you can take it to the beach. There's also a mixer by >> behringer >> that is battery operated, fyi. >> >> That stuff aside, >> >> Why not make this thing simpler and more literal and just make the >> summertime project all about using sound sources exclusively from a >> trip to >> the beach? >> >> Or to take it slightly further, any sounds associated with >> stereotypical >> summer events (ice cream trucks, lawnmowers, crashing waves..). >> Confining >> things to the beach makes for tighter guidelines though.. >> >> Either way, definitely want to participate in something.. Hopefully >> we don't >> talk about it on here all summer instead.. It's easy to ;) >> -adam young >> >> >> On 6/19/05 10:38 AM, "xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" >> <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >>> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:42:54 -0700 >>> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? >>> Message-Id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> >>> In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer >>> while >>> it's around, what about something performed live, outside, perhaps >>> using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor >>> location >>> and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately summer-ish), and >>> perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is appropriate and >>> interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with headphones on, if >>> I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make sounds so >>> inextricably >>> entangled with summer they can't be separated, summer and sound >>> pouring >>> into each other until the mixture is impossible to separate. >>> >>> - Scott C. >> >> >> adam young >> tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> > ++++++++++ > > Future Remix says: Stop the War > > http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ > > ++++++++++ > > B > Future Remix > > E: x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx > > T: + 44 (0)7709 - 88 07 90 > > W: http://www.future-remix.com > > > Future Remix is culture jamming. Hardcore beats for an urban > soundtrack. > > ‘If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast > enough.’ Mario Andretti > > > ++++++++++ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 08:18:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36261-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3832 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:18:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 3822 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:18:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:18:04 +0100 From: B <x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] REMIX THE SUMMER In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IHZ8uZMZhM6JKstvvSA0GQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDB143A.4C4B%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_IHZ8uZMZhM6JKstvvSA0GQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There seems to be such a wide range of sounds which are associated with the summer and this seems to be equal to the diversity of the members on the Microsound list. I’m sure that we could all come up with a rich mix of ideas for a summer project. The sonic possibilities seem to be endless. One could go the memory route, and use sounds which are evocative of summer - childhood memories - those endless summers of playing in the streets or out in the park. And then there are the beach sounds – hanging out by the sea - the sounds of radios - peaople playing volley ball - the sound of suntan lotion being rubbed onto someone’s skin - hey, even put a contact mic onto a surfboard and hit the waves (now that’s gonna be an awesome sound!) Then there are the city sounds. If you’re living in a council estate in the East End of London, or living in Watts in LA, then you’re not gonna hear a lot of lawnmowers (there’s no grass on a council estate) but you will hear those urban sounds - people having a bar-b-q on the balcony – all the windows are open (no air conditioning) so you get to hear everything that goes on - the sound of empty beer cans hitting concrete - the sound of a boom box - and guys rapping and beat boxing out in the park. And don’t forget that the summer is always a good time to a have a riot. Lots of potential there for a mix. So let’s get going and do something. Peace. B > ++++++++++ Future Remix says: Stop the War http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ ++++++++++ B Future Remix E: x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx T: + 44 (0)7709 - 88 07 90 W: http://www.future-remix.com Future Remix is culture jamming. Hardcore beats for an urban soundtrack. ‘If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough.’ Mario Andretti ++++++++++ --Boundary_(ID_IHZ8uZMZhM6JKstvvSA0GQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Jun 20 06:36:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36260-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78866 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:36:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 78856 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:36:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:36:25 +0100 From: B <x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] BEACH MIX In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Qyav8/MJ6549SKuuxIjecQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDB143A.4C4B%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Qyav8/MJ6549SKuuxIjecQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes - sounds ground up into dust. A beach party with noise. B On 19 Jun 2005, at 20:03, graham miller wrote: > there's that new MOTU print ad: 'try not to get sand in your harddrive' > > grains of sand... granular synthesis... sand in your harddrive... am i > on to > something here or what? > > g. > > B wrote: > >> I’m definitely up for the beach idea. Nice and focused ? and there’s >> lot to play with in terms of sonic content ? both natural sounds ? and >> the sounds of people, radios, surfboards etc. Memories of days out on >> the sand. >> >> I’ve just moved from Eastbourne to Southampton. And even though >> there's >> a coastline here, it’s all very industrial. On a hot sunny day like >> today I’m missing the beaches at Eastbourne and Brighton. Brighton >> beach rocks ? and my ears are still ringing from the fantastic summer >> beach gigs that Fat Boy Slim put on a couple of years back. >> >> P > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > ++++++++++ Future Remix says: Stop the War http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ ++++++++++ B Future Remix E: x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx T: + 44 (0)7709 - 88 07 90 W: http://www.future-remix.com Future Remix is culture jamming. Hardcore beats for an urban soundtrack. ‘If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough.’ Mario Andretti ++++++++++ --Boundary_(ID_Qyav8/MJ6549SKuuxIjecQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 19:05:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36259-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88305 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:05:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 88295 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:05:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:03:54 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] BEACH MIX To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDB143A.4C4B%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx there's that new MOTU print ad: 'try not to get sand in your harddrive' grains of sand... granular synthesis... sand in your harddrive... am i on to something here or what? g. B wrote: > I’m definitely up for the beach idea. Nice and focused ? and there’s > lot to play with in terms of sonic content ? both natural sounds ? and > the sounds of people, radios, surfboards etc. Memories of days out on > the sand. > > I’ve just moved from Eastbourne to Southampton. And even though there's > a coastline here, it’s all very industrial. On a hot sunny day like > today I’m missing the beaches at Eastbourne and Brighton. Brighton > beach rocks ? and my ears are still ringing from the fantastic summer > beach gigs that Fat Boy Slim put on a couple of years back. > > P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 18:45:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36258-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80276 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:45:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 80264 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:44:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:44:50 +0100 From: B <x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] BEACH MIX In-reply-to: <BEDB143A.4C4B%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AkBg1gCsj/QI8JQDueavYg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEDB143A.4C4B%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_AkBg1gCsj/QI8JQDueavYg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I’m definitely up for the beach idea. Nice and focused – and there’s lot to play with in terms of sonic content – both natural sounds – and the sounds of people, radios, surfboards etc. Memories of days out on the sand. I’ve just moved from Eastbourne to Southampton. And even though there's a coastline here, it’s all very industrial. On a hot sunny day like today I’m missing the beaches at Eastbourne and Brighton. Brighton beach rocks – and my ears are still ringing from the fantastic summer beach gigs that Fat Boy Slim put on a couple of years back. Peace. B On 19 Jun 2005, at 17:23, Adam Young wrote: > You might be on to something here.. > > The microkorg thing I wanted to do for Robotopera sort of had this in > mind.. > I am sure there are lots of such devices, but the microkorg is battery > powered so you can take it to the beach. There's also a mixer by > behringer > that is battery operated, fyi. > > That stuff aside, > > Why not make this thing simpler and more literal and just make the > summertime project all about using sound sources exclusively from a > trip to > the beach? > > Or to take it slightly further, any sounds associated with > stereotypical > summer events (ice cream trucks, lawnmowers, crashing waves..). > Confining > things to the beach makes for tighter guidelines though.. > > Either way, definitely want to participate in something.. Hopefully we > don't > talk about it on here all summer instead.. It's easy to ;) > -adam young > > > On 6/19/05 10:38 AM, "xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" > <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:42:54 -0700 >> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? >> Message-Id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> >> In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer >> while >> it's around, what about something performed live, outside, perhaps >> using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor location >> and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately summer-ish), and >> perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is appropriate and >> interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with headphones on, if >> I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make sounds so >> inextricably >> entangled with summer they can't be separated, summer and sound >> pouring >> into each other until the mixture is impossible to separate. >> >> - Scott C. > > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > ++++++++++ Future Remix says: Stop the War http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ ++++++++++ B Future Remix E: x@xxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx T: + 44 (0)7709 - 88 07 90 W: http://www.future-remix.com Future Remix is culture jamming. Hardcore beats for an urban soundtrack. ‘If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough.’ Mario Andretti ++++++++++ --Boundary_(ID_AkBg1gCsj/QI8JQDueavYg)-- From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 16:23:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36257-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40015 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:23:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 40004 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:23:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:23:22 -0400 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEDB143A.4C4B%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You might be on to something here.. The microkorg thing I wanted to do for Robotopera sort of had this in mind.. I am sure there are lots of such devices, but the microkorg is battery powered so you can take it to the beach. There's also a mixer by behringer that is battery operated, fyi. That stuff aside, Why not make this thing simpler and more literal and just make the summertime project all about using sound sources exclusively from a trip to the beach? Or to take it slightly further, any sounds associated with stereotypical summer events (ice cream trucks, lawnmowers, crashing waves..). Confining things to the beach makes for tighter guidelines though.. Either way, definitely want to participate in something.. Hopefully we don't talk about it on here all summer instead.. It's easy to ;) -adam young On 6/19/05 10:38 AM, "xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:42:54 -0700 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > Message-Id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer while > it's around, what about something performed live, outside, perhaps > using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor location > and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately summer-ish), and > perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is appropriate and > interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with headphones on, if > I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make sounds so inextricably > entangled with summer they can't be separated, summer and sound pouring > into each other until the mixture is impossible to separate. > > - Scott C. adam young tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 02:44:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36256-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45551 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:44:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 45541 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:44:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:43:03 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001701c57478$9ea5f120$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers; > While I appreciate the sentiment of performing outside - some of us > living in cities may not be able to do this easily, in Chicago it would > require buying a license to perform and then there are still limits to > where one can play. I don't really want to buy a license from the city > just to participate in this project! And they will definitely ticket > unlicensed performers. No, they will ticket people they see performing that turn out not to have a lisence. I think that just like neighbours don´t complain about high-volume ambient they believe is a broken central heating that quickly, microsound artists engaged in some experiment could get away with performances not recognised as such because often our music isn´t recognised as such either. You´d lose the aplause though. Oh, well, just a thought. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 02:10:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36255-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36744 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:10:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 36734 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:10:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:12:07 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Perhaps this should be responded to in a myriad of ways. Indoors/outdoors with field sounds, with sounds mixed from real nature or a combination of these and other variables. Agreed that some cities will be less conducive to doing outdoor performances. That said, the elevated trains sound different in the summer than they do in the Winter, right? Who's to say a field recording can't be made and then sampled later? ciao Chris On Jun 18, 2005, at 9:35 PM, David Powers wrote: > While I appreciate the sentiment of performing outside - some of us > living in cities may not be able to do this easily, in Chicago it > would require buying a license to perform and then there are still > limits to where one can play. I don't really want to buy a license > from the city just to participate in this project! And they will > definitely ticket unlicensed performers. > > ~David > > Scott Carver wrote: > >> In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer >> while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, >> perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor >> location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately >> summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is >> appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with >> headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make >> sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be separated, >> summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is >> impossible to separate. >> >> - Scott C. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 01:35:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36254-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28065 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:35:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 28055 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:35:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:35:50 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx While I appreciate the sentiment of performing outside - some of us living in cities may not be able to do this easily, in Chicago it would require buying a license to perform and then there are still limits to where one can play. I don't really want to buy a license from the city just to participate in this project! And they will definitely ticket unlicensed performers. ~David Scott Carver wrote: > In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer > while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, > perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor > location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately > summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is > appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with > headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make > sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be separated, > summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is > impossible to separate. > > - Scott C. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 00:43:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36253-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14547 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:43:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 14537 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:42:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:42:54 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In the interest of being outside and actually appreciating summer while it's around, what about something performed live, outside, perhaps using sounds from the location of performance? Pick a outdoor location and a time (hopefully a time when it's appropriately summer-ish), and perform a piece, in whatever sense of 'perform' is appropriate and interesting. Screw sitting around in my house with headphones on, if I'm going to do a summer project, I want to make sounds so inextricably entangled with summer they can't be separated, summer and sound pouring into each other until the mixture is impossible to separate. - Scott C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 19 00:09:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36252-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 791 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:09:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 781 invoked from network); Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:09:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:09:34 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cAnIjy9leFlFXooCWtS0t7k911CV0qbR0XXgeD9xhPWuqoZg+PBAvbedyxuudc0Ikq8JyZ1R2CPyZzf5PFlWsn6jxLPy9Qc7e2ZGsoDs6Z1FVd5MUUZmFzxFO3D2DxyYQY0scAi4pakcI8WG5PLaV70sFo2JZspnFiB9zZ4847k= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am interested in participating, for sure. However, there are probably also a lot of others in my area that are interested, seeing as I'm in the San Francisco area. - QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/17/05, COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > what does summer sound like anyway? > (listen...) > > this sounds cool though(no pun!) > would relying only on synthetic sources keep it enough in the > .microsound vein? (or i suppose leaving your equipment to melt in the > sun - but no baseball bats!) > > are there enough people interested in both hemispheres to make it > collaborative, as suggested? > > - r > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nathan dickerson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] > Sent: 17 June 2005 19:25 > To: microsound > Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? > > synthetic peices that sound like summer / make one think of summer. > > synthetic summer soundscapes > > what does summer sound like anyway? > > On 6/16/05, chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Maybe it would be interesting to see what kind of diverse musical > > styles can circle their wagons around 'summer sounds' as a construct. > > The common thread would be the summer aspect of it. > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2005, at 1:21 PM, bryan garcia wrote: > > > > > would this be a collage of sounds , or a sequenced > > > and/or composed piece ? the suggestions are all > > > good, lawnmowers, and water drips, and outdoorsy field > > > recordings are all attractive, but what about some > > > suggestions for format... rock,? i.d.m.? concrete ? > > > power ballad ? > > > summer time used to remind me of playing video games > > > in an arcade while we were out for the summer, since > > > there was nothing to do in my home-town. cruising > > > bmx's up to the conveniece store for slurpees and > > > suicide sodas/ > > > right >?< > > > > > > b/g > > > > > > > > > > > > --- chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > >> I was kind of being serious about the distant > > >> lawnmower. There is a > > >> poetry to distant sounds in the Summer time. Sounds > > >> that are man-made, > > >> layered with sounds that are organic - all so > > >> distinctly different than > > >> the sounds and absences of sounds in Winter. > > >> > > >> I do also understand the need to set more essential > > >> limits to make the > > >> work varied and engaging for more artists. I suppose > > >> you could define > > >> it broadly as Summer and then come up with two or > > >> three more key words > > >> to create the potential for pairings and > > >> combinations. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder > > >> VIII wrote: > > >> > > >>> I'll put my vote in for the lawn mower idea. (But > > >> seriously folks!) > > >>> > > >>> Let's see... summer... beach... sand? Er... > > >> sunburn!... hm.... water? > > >>> > > >>> How about a project using only sounds made either > > >> from water or water > > >>> in combination with other objects? > > >>> > > >>> I don't know how inherently "microsound" this > > >> would be, but it's at > > >>> least an interesting constraint to work under, I > > >> think. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> - QF8 > > >>> http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 6/15/05, bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > > >> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some > > >> audio equipment in direct > > >>>> sunlight until it starts > > >>>> malfunctioning? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >>>> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - > > >> get it now! > > >>>> > > >> > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check > > > it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 18 00:36:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36251-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6096 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:36:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 6082 invoked from network); Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:36:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:36:17 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] RE: summertime project? Thread-index: AcVzafT6dyllCe2tTSWgL7/sfRLwEAAMPzFg Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2005 00:36:17.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDAE65B0:01C5739D] > what does summer sound like anyway? (listen...) this sounds cool though(no pun!) would relying only on synthetic sources keep it enough in the ..microsound vein? (or i suppose leaving your equipment to melt in the sun - but no baseball bats!) are there enough people interested in both hemispheres to make it collaborative, as suggested? - r -----Original Message----- From: nathan dickerson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] Sent: 17 June 2005 19:25 To: microsound Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? synthetic peices that sound like summer / make one think of summer. synthetic summer soundscapes what does summer sound like anyway? On 6/16/05, chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Maybe it would be interesting to see what kind of diverse musical > styles can circle their wagons around 'summer sounds' as a construct. > The common thread would be the summer aspect of it. > > > On Jun 16, 2005, at 1:21 PM, bryan garcia wrote: > > > would this be a collage of sounds , or a sequenced > > and/or composed piece ? the suggestions are all > > good, lawnmowers, and water drips, and outdoorsy field > > recordings are all attractive, but what about some > > suggestions for format... rock,? i.d.m.? concrete ? > > power ballad ? > > summer time used to remind me of playing video games > > in an arcade while we were out for the summer, since > > there was nothing to do in my home-town. cruising > > bmx's up to the conveniece store for slurpees and > > suicide sodas/ > > right >?< > > > > b/g > > > > > > > > --- chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> I was kind of being serious about the distant > >> lawnmower. There is a > >> poetry to distant sounds in the Summer time. Sounds > >> that are man-made, > >> layered with sounds that are organic - all so > >> distinctly different than > >> the sounds and absences of sounds in Winter. > >> > >> I do also understand the need to set more essential > >> limits to make the > >> work varied and engaging for more artists. I suppose > >> you could define > >> it broadly as Summer and then come up with two or > >> three more key words > >> to create the potential for pairings and > >> combinations. > >> > >> > >> On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder > >> VIII wrote: > >> > >>> I'll put my vote in for the lawn mower idea. (But > >> seriously folks!) > >>> > >>> Let's see... summer... beach... sand? Er... > >> sunburn!... hm.... water? > >>> > >>> How about a project using only sounds made either > >> from water or water > >>> in combination with other objects? > >>> > >>> I don't know how inherently "microsound" this > >> would be, but it's at > >>> least an interesting constraint to work under, I > >> think. > >>> > >>> > >>> - QF8 > >>> http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> On 6/15/05, bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some > >> audio equipment in direct > >>>> sunlight until it starts > >>>> malfunctioning? > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - > >> get it now! > >>>> > >> > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. 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Fri Jun 17 17:14:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36249-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13681 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:14:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 13670 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:14:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:14:10 +0000 From: twonky yup <xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re: tape loop question X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2005 17:14:10.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA2F0500:01C5735F] yes, thank you kas, i was replying to stephan's question about tape loop experiences... >And the question is... ? :-) I think it was a reply to the question about long tapeloops a short while ago. Frankly; if your post includes notes on the use of helium baloons in audio engineering I think you are excused from confusing titles per default. :¬) Kas. .... using a series of helium balloons to support long lengths up to about 60 feet. the tape passed through loops of cotton string tied to the ballons and the tension... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 17 15:48:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36248-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68244 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:48:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 68193 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:48:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w/2CdJ20Dsy2+H4X4iiiz2qjDQYtrTwmDrkteut/T77Bpe1WISW/t0mvCfHbcGm6KkPYgYDL4+ocnVErnmNzLbtOGF6ExxChBb0yOJNlA0IVer2I8zv6hEA7CRQN67rsrLcyK8emjoFZy3p+xaTfqCEsdnJksGt+7frK/vyEyfY= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here's my proposal: (Micro)Sounds-of-Summer MegaMix or SPF45: Construct a pop song for the summer months. Final set of tracks could be mixed down into a non-stop megamix, designed to be played in cars, at the beach, houseparties, or on warm summer nights. Songs should be a 3-4 minute radio edit. Genre and production method of your choice, keep tongue firmly planted in cheek. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 17 14:38:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36247-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30377 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:38:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 30365 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:38:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:38:04 -0400 From: microbio <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] KDX In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Matched-Lists: [] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on rs25s9.datacenter.cha.cantv.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I ben using KDX for 3 to 4 years all ready as admi of my own server, you can set one account (the same account with the same log in and password) for all user and other accounts for administration only. You can set the users account in order to create folders, so any user can create folders with its own name for upload purpuses. also you can create different bases to for different kind of users and private drop boxes. If you need any help setting up a KDX server I can help. With KDX you can do more than tranfer files, you can also have voice chat and you can control the server computer remotely(as admi). Peace x@xxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 17 14:12:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36246-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.169]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz3.hyperreal.org (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net with SMTP; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:16:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 18078 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:12:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 18068 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:12:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:12:07 +0200 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OTO ONKYO playlist To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WauX2CkwT8sPaKEEgsR8fA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,208,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="7158834:sNHT17696560" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_WauX2CkwT8sPaKEEgsR8fA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi List, this the 2 last playlist of Oto Onkyo, broadcasted in Bordeaux, France on Radio Sauvagine VEN.10_06_2005 Dimitri Bellemer _ live act at Radio Sauvagine Andrey Kiritchenko _ Live @ Ultrahang Fest 27.09.03 VEN.13_05_2005 Jeff Gburek _ solo (live), Berlin 2005 Stephan Mathieu _ Frequenzen _ Frequencies (Hz) Alva Noto + Ryuchi Sakamoto _ Logic Moon _ INSEN _ Raster Noton Alva Noto + Ryuchi Sakamoto _ Berlin _ INSEN _ Raster Noton Alva Noto + Ryuchi Sakamoto _ Aurora _ INSEN _ Raster Noton Autechre _ Fermium _ Untitled _ Warp Autechre _ Sublimit _ Untitled _ Warp Richard Chartier _ 06 _ invalidObject Series Richard Chartier _ 15 _ invalidObject Series John Cage _ Toy suite for piano _ in a landscape --Boundary_(ID_WauX2CkwT8sPaKEEgsR8fA)-- From ???@??? Fri Jun 17 07:13:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36245-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80508 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:13:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 80497 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:13:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:13:18 +0100 From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] open source/ open ear In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BED8369D.E570%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> >> OPEN SOURCE/OPEN EAR >> JULY 28 August 11 >> Chicago, IL >> >> >> >> This is a call for all music makers, audiophiles, sound artists, file >> pirates, oddity trawlers, programmers, mixtapers, noise addicts, radio >> hackers, circuit benders, and free improvisers to participate in a >> two-week exhibition at Mess Hall, in Rogers Park. The objective of >> this show is to bring into focus diverse sound practices that resist >> conventional modes of production, distribution, performance or >> perception. The show will accommodate a gallery installation of >> submissions and projects, as well as a series of evening performances. >> This will be accompanied by a website, small publication and >> compilation cd. >> All types of contribution are welcome! >> Please consider submitting: >> € Proposals for one-night performances, on or off-site events, >> installations, radio programs >> € Recorded material for compilation, exchange, remix, broadcast or >> promotion >> € Posters, pamphlets, imagery or ephemera related to your work or to >> other DIY sound projects >> € Essays related to the ideas of open-source programming, >> soundhacking, politics and sound, installation, improvisation, >> subculture, etc. >> € How-to instructions or diagrams for instrument >> building/programming/deviant behavior >> >> >> All Submissions and proposals are due by July 15th >> >> Contact: >> Timothy Ivison >> 1342 W Hubbard St., #2F >> Chicago, IL 60622 >> xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx >> >> >> about the space: >> ³Mess Hall is an open resource based in Chicago. It offers meals, a >> printed matter reading area, a useful materials redistribution >> initiative, exhibitions, workshops, swap meets, presentations, public >> projects, actions and generates a self-organized culture of generosity.² >> - In The Field >> >> www.messhall.org >> Are you able to support 8 channel works? I would submit this as 8 audio or data CDs each to be sent to its own speaker in sync. mopani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 23:20:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36244-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22930 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:19:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 22918 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:19:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:19:53 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A/uxyrcdvWSPmB1DPdu+/1fd+ortw4YKhMA0MefvkvA27wK/Cdc7W4wgZ2ic5XgWlZB5S/RH7pxFe1oICnzxuPbTgKbSmtk/7kXFJtl57j6M07rXhfRz3NPJ08rficfKfCfxLd2yaeV9rxJoRa4Dmcb3DQpTfsQ0yS+hphpSP8g= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx actually, i really like that idea, especially since i tend to be rather a curmudgeon during the summer precisely because of the heat. people in the south could then send materials to those in the north who might be looking forward to cold days ahead... nick On 6/16/05, xxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx <xxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > i'm in the south living the firsts days of the cold days. maybe it would be interesting > that poeple living the winter works with materials generated by people living the summer. > sometimes the best of the summer is what we remember form it, the light, the sound, the > distance... a summer sound in the winter air. > > > > --- devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> escribió: > > > surf ballad? > > > > a la Fennesz's Endless Summer? > > > > How about Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" with a digital seasonal delay.. > > > > we could call it "DSP: Direct Seasonal Processing" > > > > > > On Thursday, June 16, 2005, at 11:21 AM, bryan garcia wrote: > > > > > but what about some > > > suggestions for format... > > > > > > CommTom > > Communications of Tomorrow > > "it's only a day away" > > > > unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. > > > > http://www.commtom.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > ¡Abrí tu cuenta ya! - http://correo.yahoo.com.ar > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 23:09:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36243-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18848 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:09:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 18838 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:09:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:09:10 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130302bed7b6c282ab@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >a summer sound in the winter air. -Travels faster because of the coldness in that air... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 22:57:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36242-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13394 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:57:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 13383 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:57:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:57:36 -0300 (ART) From: xxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx Subject: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.ar; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j7ii1pOGlwdACVGKNKH262GZcQFCJWt4MvG4/JqDJ3l7nxepUDGx3NAheRopDpzSMsz4+OHyXseTm+81/sjm6mG5YBK+d9G65G047AWMsaLo/logD8VksY+8nhj01qltRUU5qKDVxt4tJi/EBVVbrdYICf2TSJWekNx1j1YtXbQ= ; Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm in the south living the firsts days of the cold days. maybe it would be interesting that poeple living the winter works with materials generated by people living the summer. sometimes the best of the summer is what we remember form it, the light, the sound, the distance... a summer sound in the winter air. --- devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> escribió: > surf ballad? > > a la Fennesz's Endless Summer? > > How about Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" with a digital seasonal delay.. > > we could call it "DSP: Direct Seasonal Processing" > > > On Thursday, June 16, 2005, at 11:21 AM, bryan garcia wrote: > > > but what about some > > suggestions for format... > > > CommTom > Communications of Tomorrow > "it's only a day away" > > unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. > > http://www.commtom.com > __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! ¡Abrí tu cuenta ya! - http://correo.yahoo.com.ar --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 18:50:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36241-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9496 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:50:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 9485 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:50:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:50:23 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] open source/ open ear In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Timothy, I'm really interested in doing a one-night performance - I haven't finalized the proposal as I'm still working out details and contacting potential collaborators. However, the main event would be an experimental opera called "Hypocenter" - consisting primarily of improvised open form music, stretching across genres (jazz, classical, pop, tango) but primarily dwelling in the abstract/atonal/noise/texture side of things. There would also be some spoken text and dancers or silent actors. I might follow this with some more beat oriented improvisations for the second half of the evening - if something people can dance to is also acceptable! :) I intend to complete a full proposal very shortly. Thanks, David I'd like to present a major work Timothy Ivison wrote: > ...and regarding recent posts: all submissions will be acknowledged. > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > OPEN SOURCE/OPEN EAR > JULY 28 – August 11 > Chicago, IL > > > > This is a call for all music makers, audiophiles, sound artists, file > pirates, oddity trawlers, programmers, mixtapers, noise addicts, radio > hackers, circuit benders, and free improvisers to participate in a > two-week exhibition at Mess Hall, in Rogers Park. The objective of > this show is to bring into focus diverse sound practices that resist > conventional modes of production, distribution, performance or > perception. The show will accommodate a gallery installation of > submissions and projects, as well as a series of evening performances. > This will be accompanied by a website, small publication and > compilation cd. > All types of contribution are welcome! > Please consider submitting: > • Proposals for one-night performances, on or off-site events, > installations, radio programs > • Recorded material for compilation, exchange, remix, broadcast or > promotion > • Posters, pamphlets, imagery or ephemera related to your work or to > other DIY sound projects > • Essays related to the ideas of open-source programming, > soundhacking, politics and sound, installation, improvisation, > subculture, etc. > • How-to instructions or diagrams for instrument > building/programming/deviant behavior > > > All Submissions and proposals are due by July 15th > > Contact: > Timothy Ivison > 1342 W Hubbard St., #2F > Chicago, IL 60622 > xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > > about the space: > “Mess Hall is an open resource based in Chicago. It offers meals, a > printed matter reading area, a useful materials redistribution > initiative, exhibitions, workshops, swap meets, presentations, public > projects, actions and generates a self-organized culture of generosity.” > - In The Field > > www.messhall.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 18:21:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36240-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95067 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:21:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 95057 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:21:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:22:38 -0600 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dQQgbiexVcGlmfTWNUm2ew)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_dQQgbiexVcGlmfTWNUm2ew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit surf ballad? a la Fennesz's Endless Summer? How about Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" with a digital seasonal delay.. we could call it "DSP: Direct Seasonal Processing" On Thursday, June 16, 2005, at 11:21 AM, bryan garcia wrote: > but what about some > suggestions for format... CommTom Communications of Tomorrow "it's only a day away" unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. http://www.commtom.com --Boundary_(ID_dQQgbiexVcGlmfTWNUm2ew)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 18:13:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36239-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89053 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:13:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 89041 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:13:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:15:06 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Maybe it would be interesting to see what kind of diverse musical styles can circle their wagons around 'summer sounds' as a construct. The common thread would be the summer aspect of it. On Jun 16, 2005, at 1:21 PM, bryan garcia wrote: > would this be a collage of sounds , or a sequenced > and/or composed piece ? the suggestions are all > good, lawnmowers, and water drips, and outdoorsy field > recordings are all attractive, but what about some > suggestions for format... rock,? i.d.m.? concrete ? > power ballad ? > summer time used to remind me of playing video games > in an arcade while we were out for the summer, since > there was nothing to do in my home-town. cruising > bmx's up to the conveniece store for slurpees and > suicide sodas/ > right >?< > > b/g > > > > --- chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> I was kind of being serious about the distant >> lawnmower. There is a >> poetry to distant sounds in the Summer time. Sounds >> that are man-made, >> layered with sounds that are organic - all so >> distinctly different than >> the sounds and absences of sounds in Winter. >> >> I do also understand the need to set more essential >> limits to make the >> work varied and engaging for more artists. I suppose >> you could define >> it broadly as Summer and then come up with two or >> three more key words >> to create the potential for pairings and >> combinations. >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder >> VIII wrote: >> >>> I'll put my vote in for the lawn mower idea. (But >> seriously folks!) >>> >>> Let's see... summer... beach... sand? Er... >> sunburn!... hm.... water? >>> >>> How about a project using only sounds made either >> from water or water >>> in combination with other objects? >>> >>> I don't know how inherently "microsound" this >> would be, but it's at >>> least an interesting constraint to work under, I >> think. >>> >>> >>> - QF8 >>> http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ >>> >>> >>> On 6/15/05, bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some >> audio equipment in direct >>>> sunlight until it starts >>>> malfunctioning? >>>> >>>> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – >> get it now! >>>> >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. 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Thu Jun 16 18:11:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36238-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86117 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:10:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 86105 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:10:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:12:36 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No offense taken, Q. On Jun 16, 2005, at 1:02 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > Whoops, I meant no offense, I swear. I just thought your post was > funny in contrast to the couple posts that preceeded it. Truthfully, I > enjoy machine noise just as much as the next guy. Matter of fact, > there's a guy in my town that's been cutting down some very large > trees on his property, which would make great material for that kind > of project. > > - QF8 > http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > > > On 6/15/05, chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >> I was kind of being serious about the distant lawnmower. There is a >> poetry to distant sounds in the Summer time. Sounds that are man-made, >> layered with sounds that are organic - all so distinctly different >> than >> the sounds and absences of sounds in Winter. >> >> I do also understand the need to set more essential limits to make the >> work varied and engaging for more artists. I suppose you could define >> it broadly as Summer and then come up with two or three more key words >> to create the potential for pairings and combinations. >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: >> >>> I'll put my vote in for the lawn mower idea. (But seriously folks!) >>> >>> Let's see... summer... beach... sand? Er... sunburn!... hm.... water? >>> >>> How about a project using only sounds made either from water or water >>> in combination with other objects? >>> >>> I don't know how inherently "microsound" this would be, but it's at >>> least an interesting constraint to work under, I think. >>> >>> >>> - QF8 >>> http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ >>> >>> >>> On 6/15/05, bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some audio equipment in >>>> direct >>>> sunlight until it starts >>>> malfunctioning? >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >>>> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 17:21:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36237-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57447 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:21:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 57423 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:21:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? 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There is a > poetry to distant sounds in the Summer time. Sounds > that are man-made, > layered with sounds that are organic - all so > distinctly different than > the sounds and absences of sounds in Winter. > > I do also understand the need to set more essential > limits to make the > work varied and engaging for more artists. I suppose > you could define > it broadly as Summer and then come up with two or > three more key words > to create the potential for pairings and > combinations. > > > On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder > VIII wrote: > > > I'll put my vote in for the lawn mower idea. (But > seriously folks!) > > > > Let's see... summer... beach... sand? Er... > sunburn!... hm.... water? > > > > How about a project using only sounds made either > from water or water > > in combination with other objects? > > > > I don't know how inherently "microsound" this > would be, but it's at > > least an interesting constraint to work under, I > think. > > > > > > - QF8 > > http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > > > > > > On 6/15/05, bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some > audio equipment in direct > >> sunlight until it starts > >> malfunctioning? > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – > get it now! > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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Thu Jun 16 14:35:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36235-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65665 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:35:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 65655 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:35:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:35:41 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a .microsound KDX server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I0Hze8+xw6aSFekjlch1HSOSuoEO7rKaeqwsz6n3jL3AhRPU0lXL8cXPmsgxKuDALq24uB/UWQdYauWqR2gjfTNjHI2MHaJMNSVrfJrkQmwWGh8of4PD3DEhf+WYPTbMLIPqCGP2r5Y/svnOs3CJRYuo8xtr13FCbcAKMT6+3rM= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/15/05, Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It would be /very/ nice if the file sharing was integrated with the > Wiki.... the wiki already supports file uploads [and then downloads]. it's only active on certain pages, for instance: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/RingTones it's pretty easy for me to set up other pages on the wiki like this. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 13:03:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36234-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23237 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:03:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 23227 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:03:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:01:35 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tape loop question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003101c57273$87c0eb60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Nowak; > And the question is... ? :-) I think it was a reply to the question about long tapeloops a short while ago. Frankly; if your post includes notes on the use of helium baloons in audio engineering I think you are excused from confusing titles per default. :¬) Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 12:55:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36233-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20762 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:55:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 20752 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:55:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:55:41 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tape loop question In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 16, 2005, at 8:47 AM, twonky yup wrote: > in the 70s i worked quite a bit with long tape loops on mono, > stereo, 4 trk and sound-on-sound tape recorders, using a series of > helium balloons to support long lengths up to about 60 feet. the > tape passed through loops of cotton string tied to the ballons and > the tension rollers on the tape recorders were taped in place to > keep the movements of the balloons from creating slack which would > release the tension and stop the tape (as if the tape had run out), > although sometimes i would allow this to happen (by not taping the > roller in place) and the start and stopping of the playback, as the > longer loops moved with the air currents in the room, was > incorporated into the performance/installation. for shorter lengths > taping the tension rollers was not always necessary, depending upon > the size or number of ballons used to support the tape loops. And the question is... ? :-) - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 12:47:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36232-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16956 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:47:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 16946 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:47:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:47:53 +0000 From: twonky yup <xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] tape loop question X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.201] X-Sender: xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2005 12:47:53.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CB20330:01C57271] in the 70s i worked quite a bit with long tape loops on mono, stereo, 4 trk and sound-on-sound tape recorders, using a series of helium balloons to support long lengths up to about 60 feet. the tape passed through loops of cotton string tied to the ballons and the tension rollers on the tape recorders were taped in place to keep the movements of the balloons from creating slack which would release the tension and stop the tape (as if the tape had run out), although sometimes i would allow this to happen (by not taping the roller in place) and the start and stopping of the playback, as the longer loops moved with the air currents in the room, was incorporated into the performance/installation. for shorter lengths taping the tension rollers was not always necessary, depending upon the size or number of ballons used to support the tape loops. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 12:27:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36231-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.169]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz3.hyperreal.org (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net with SMTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:30:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 6090 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:26:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 6080 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:26:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:26:26 +0000 From: twonky yup <xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] KIM's 5 Mixdown In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.201] X-Sender: xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,204,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="5602875:sNHT21054284" X-Originating-Email: [xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2005 12:26:26.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D7F6CB0:01C5726E] NYTIMES June 16, 2005 Mixtape Crackdown Sends a Mixed Message By KELEFA SANNEH Late on the night of May 13, a hip-hop promoter named Justo Faison died in a car crash in Virginia. And last week, on June 8, the East Village record and video shop Mondo Kim's was raided by the New York Police Department. What do these two stories have in common? Here's a hint: it's cheap, popular and illegal. Faison was the industry's most energetic promoter of hip-hop mixtapes, the unlicensed compilations (almost always on CD, despite the name) of unreleased new songs, current hits, never-to-be-released freestyles and unofficial remixes. To keep (or get) hard-core listeners excited, rappers are expected to maintain a mixtape presence by supplying DJ's with tracks and also by collaborating with them to release "hosted by" mixtapes. Thanks to Faison, the mixtape world even had its own annual ceremony: he created and produced the yearly Mixtape Awards, a fittingly raucous celebration; this year's attendees included Sean Combs, who won a lifetime achievement award, and the Game. In the days after Faison's death, rappers and DJ's paid their respects, tribute rhymes started circulating online and a fund was started to help pay for his burial and to aid his family. Contributions have come in from many leading hip-hop record labels including Atlantic, TVT, Tommy Boy and Interscope. While artists and record labels were celebrating Faison's life and work, the Recording Industry Association of America was finding another way to pay tribute to the popularity of mixtapes. On May 12, the day before Faison died, it announced a crackdown on stores that sold "pirated CD's," a term that refers to "mixed tapes and compilation CD's featuring one or more artists," among other products. (The association's taxonomy of piracy defines "counterfeit recordings" as illegal knockoffs of existing commercial CD's, and "bootleg recordings" as illegal recordings of live performances or broadcasts.) In last week's raid officers confiscated hundreds of CD's, seemingly concentrating on the shop's well-stocked section of hip-hop mixtapes. Five employees were arrested and spent the night in jail. All five were charged with failure to disclose origin of a recording in the second degree and trademark counterfeiting in the third degree. After the raid, Brad Buckles, the recording association's executive vice president for anti-piracy, released a statement saying that the Police Department's "steadfast commitment to the fight against piracy has stamped out yet another significant illegal operation." It continued, "Retailers who are making money on the backs of musicians and record companies by selling pirated CD's should know that this is absolutely no way to conduct a business." Reached by telephone yesterday, Mr. Buckles confirmed that an association representative was present during the raid. Note that phrase "musicians and record companies." In its war against illegal music distribution, the association has often treated these two groups as one and the same, arguing that piracy-happy fans are hurting the artists they love. But when it comes to hip-hop mixtapes, it is in a trickier position: the artists themselves often help produce the same mixtapes that the association is trying to squelch, and shrewd record labels long ago figured out that mixtapes can help drive sales of conventional CD's. So while record labels donate money to honor a man who helped promote mixtapes, the trade group representing the labels cracks down on those who sell them. And who goes to jail? Well, suffice it to say that the police haven't arrested any of the major-label record executives who profit from the hype generated by mixtapes. The raid on Mondo Kim's (the East Village location of the Kim's Video chain) was by no means the first of its kind. The recording association has been campaigning against mixtapes for a decade; the organization's 1995 year-end report warned of "the growing popularity of illicit DJ mixes in CD format." The Kim's 5 (has someone printed T-shirts yet?) are probably lucky that they work in a record store frequented by music-industry types (and, yes, the occasional newspaper reporter). When some shop in the Bronx is raided, those hapless clerks can expect far less press coverage. Oddly enough, two people charged in the Kim's case are fairly well-known musicians. One employee arrested was Chuck Bettis, a familiar figure in the experimental-music scene and a veteran of the cult postpunk bands the Meta-Matics and All Scars. Another was Craig Willingham, known as I-Sound, whose discography includes "Music Is a Hungry Ghost" (City Slang), a collaboration with the German electronic group To Rococo Rot. The Kim's case highlights the strange position of hip-hop mixtapes, which have been making a bumpy journey toward the mainstream. There was a time when mixtape fans had little choice but to hit the streets in search of fly-by-night salesmen and out-of-the-way stalls. But when an artist as popular as 50 Cent is releasing new material directly (and sometimes exclusively) to mixtapes, and when hip-hop crews like the Diplomats are supplementing their underground mixtapes with official (that is, licensed and legal) mixtapes, then the boundary between street and store gets harder to maintain. Nowadays, hip-hop fans across the country can buy mixtapes online, although perhaps it is only a matter of time before those Web sites, too, are raided. Meanwhile, some record shops are trying to find creative ways to keep the police and the recording association at bay. After the Kim's raid, perhaps more retailers will follow the lead of one hip-hop shop (which shall remain nameless), where mixtapes are on display but not, strictly speaking, on sale. To get one, you have to buy a CD holder, priced at $7.99 but worth a small fraction of that; with every purchase, you get a "free" mixtape. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 05:08:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36230-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64289 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:08:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 64279 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:08:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:09:36 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was kind of being serious about the distant lawnmower. There is a poetry to distant sounds in the Summer time. Sounds that are man-made, layered with sounds that are organic - all so distinctly different than the sounds and absences of sounds in Winter. I do also understand the need to set more essential limits to make the work varied and engaging for more artists. I suppose you could define it broadly as Summer and then come up with two or three more key words to create the potential for pairings and combinations. On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > I'll put my vote in for the lawn mower idea. (But seriously folks!) > > Let's see... summer... beach... sand? Er... sunburn!... hm.... water? > > How about a project using only sounds made either from water or water > in combination with other objects? > > I don't know how inherently "microsound" this would be, but it's at > least an interesting constraint to work under, I think. > > > - QF8 > http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > > > On 6/15/05, bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> >> perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some audio equipment in direct >> sunlight until it starts >> malfunctioning? >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 16 00:24:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36229-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59310 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:24:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 59300 invoked from network); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:24:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:24:13 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a .microsound KDX server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It would be /very/ nice if the file sharing was integrated with the Wiki.... making it basically platform, software, and location independent, easy to use, and more in the collaborative spirit of the list. - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 23:41:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36228-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37496 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:41:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 37486 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:41:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:28 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a .microsound KDX server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 15, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Mr.D wrote: > It would be relatively easy to set up an FTP server which has > access to the same group of files that KDX sees, so I see no reason > why we couldn't have both. This sounds ideal to me. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 22:47:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36227-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7906 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:47:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 7896 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:47:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:47:31 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? 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Wed Jun 15 22:11:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36226-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91946 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:10:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 91936 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:10:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:10:56 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 22:10:56.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AA1CF80:01C571F7] perhaps a 'Sun-ripened' project , leave some audio equipment in direct sunlight until it starts malfunctioning? _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 18:57:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36225-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92900 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:57:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 92890 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:57:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:57:27 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a .microsound KDX server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't know anything about KDX's developer or the Haxial company, but I like the product, and it's better than Hotline for sure. I don't find the interface too troublesome (and in fact it's improved over the years). It would be relatively easy to set up an FTP server which has access to the same group of files that KDX sees, so I see no reason why we couldn't have both. It's also not difficult to create a microsound IRC channel on EFNet (or whatever network fits), and possibly even key the channel with a password, but I don't see a real need for IRC - I get plenty of discussion on the list. Anything more complicated than that (look at em411.com as an example) would take more programming and setup time that I'm sure, Kim, you don't have. :) matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 18:29:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36224-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76934 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:29:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 76924 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:29:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:29:07 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <014d01c571ce$f0b93b40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kKxYmp/fxFWGWCumcuIxHiuLXYl+N4/+U9yhl8AdKPHaiphBXY62wQG3vduvqoTAwcvJ4q6VHx2eYPxGEBvnQwT25XQJLkIawYj4P81NnbXOkrYGRfPSpdcvG1ccyOzjsq/fzeKjP3avxI4hBnR4m/izHdMNYnLtn6DqrpQBtI4= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <001001c571ca$90838cc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <014d01c571ce$f0b93b40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A super set of this would be an exploration of the sounds of EM radiation in general (e.g., the Hertzian space of Dunne and Raby). I've been exploring something like this with a project called ætherspace (http://zeitkunst.org); the sounds of one's cell phone are quite interesting (1MB wave file => http://zeitkunst.org/projects/aetherspace/media/sounds/initial_recording.wav) Perhaps also exploring the naturally occurring sounds of EM radiation by, e.g., lightening strikes or aurorae, and looking at this from the perspective of a single day with contributors from places that are in the summer (the north) and the winter (the south). nick On 6/15/05, Björn Eriksson <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > Good idea! > I like it! 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Wed Jun 15 19:38:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36223-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.169]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz3.hyperreal.org (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net with SMTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:30:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 75530 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:27:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 75517 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:27:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:27:01 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***yet another reminder*** To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,201,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="4610785:sNHT20147632" X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; heur=0.500(0); stat=0.010; spamtraq-heur=0.500(2005061507)] X-MAIL-FROM: <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-SOURCE-IP: [64.143.55.196] X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-DistLoop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ============================================================ below is a re-post of the info w/r/t the microsound-announcement list for those who have just joined the microsound list: ============================================================ John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce ########################################### - this is where the microsound community should post announcements promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or whatever... ########################################### - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related announcements - after April 8 (last Friday) members still posting announcements to the regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be terminated... - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list or John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list and let them know about the problem you are having... thanks! 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Wed Jun 15 17:29:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36222-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50775 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:29:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 50756 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:29:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:29:00 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a .microsound KDX server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300bed615bedff0@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >other opinions? -FTP AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 17:20:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36221-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46451 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:20:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 46437 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:20:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:23:25 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <014d01c571ce$f0b93b40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <001001c571ca$90838cc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Good idea! I like it! POWER 50/60 /Björn Eriksson http://miulew.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 17:18:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36220-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44868 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:18:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 44858 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:18:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:18:38 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] a .microsound KDX server? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam: [F=0.0149253731; heur=0.500(0); stat=0.010; spamtraq-heur=0.600(2005061505)] X-MAIL-FROM: <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-SOURCE-IP: [64.143.55.196] X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-DistLoop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx headsup: I looked at KDX a couple of years ago and I liked it very much...but when I offered it as a possible solution to the 'hotline sucks' problem facing the list many people balked at the price tag and the fact that it wasn't 'geeky' enough for them (that is a quite a different discussion)... also, I was concerned that the admin would be a nightmare in terms of setting up the 1000+ accounts again...but I contacted the people at KDX (Haxial, if I remember correctly?) and they said that they would be happy to consider helping us (me) construct some way of migrating all the account data from our Hotline server into the KDX server...they seemed very friendly and willing to help us as a community and - while I don't want to speak for them - I wouldn't be surprised if they were to entertain giving the microsound list a discount on group purchase of KDX seats... I have KDX loaded on my laptop and have played with it a bit and I for one like the all-in-one-place integrated quality...I know I can do most of the same work via the command line but sometimes I don't want to scramble to remember Unix commands in order to get something simple accomplished and being on the road for weeks at a time my Unix chops tend to get a little rusty as I am mostly in banging away in Open Office or Max/MSP at that point...so something like KDX would be a help to people who just want a simple UI to participate in an oline community project... other opinions? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 17:05:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36219-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37413 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:05:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 37403 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:05:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:06:47 -0400 From: chris mcnamara <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? In-reply-to: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Or the sound of a gas powered mower 5 houses away... On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Adam Young wrote: > I like the literal take on POWER.. > > How about any sort of hum of AC or interference caused by things like > bringing a cheap mic near a tv, etc? > -adam > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 16:52:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36218-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31356 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:52:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 31346 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:52:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:52:04 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001001c571ca$90838cc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Adam Young; > I like the literal take on POWER.. > > How about any sort of hum of AC or interference caused by things like > bringing a cheap mic near a tv, etc? > -adam Would it be interesting from that perspective to do something with colaborations between artist on different continents and the 5/6 pitch ratio between different nets? Normally that presents a dificulty while the ratio between 50 and 60 Hz could actually be seen as a advantage. Just sugesting something, I probably won´t have the time for this this summer myself. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 16:43:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36217-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27100 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:43:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 27090 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:43:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:43:19 -0400 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] RE: summertime project? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BED5D2E7.4B95%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_iZktrb87TS7y02ZGQephdw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_iZktrb87TS7y02ZGQephdw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the literal take on POWER.. How about any sort of hum of AC or interference caused by things like bringing a cheap mic near a tv, etc? -adam --Boundary_(ID_iZktrb87TS7y02ZGQephdw)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 16:20:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36216-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16903 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:19:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 16893 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:19:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:19:42 +0200 From: Massimiliano Viel <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] copyrights and copyduty In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06210205bed603648ba9@[1.255.244.143]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am wondering how did the musicians in the list who belong to a copyright agency (like Sacem or Riaa) succeed in manage their apparition in web (creative commons) labels. I am from italy and the question is not easy here as you apparently cannot decide for yourself which work to "give" to Siae and which not. Legally no Siae author can distribute his work for free (at least without giving some money to Siae)... Is it the same for the other copyright agencies? Massimiliano Viel -- M a s s i m i l i a n o V i e l http://www.maxviel.it http://www.otolab.net/projects/sn/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 15:49:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36215-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3794 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:49:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 3784 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:49:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:49:33 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 7 Jun 2005 17:25:44 -0000 Issue 1427 In-reply-to: <009801c57127$dd57a8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <009801c57127$dd57a8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sarcasm Claudio, sarcasm! :) aLEKs On Jun 14, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Claudio Parodi wrote: >> Does one need to be a trained musician to appreciate Stockhausen? To >> listen to his music? > > Not at all. You just need two ears and a brain in-between. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 14:20:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36214-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70503 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:20:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 70491 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:20:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:20:23 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] summertime project? X-Originating-IP: 67.38.246.146 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Server: ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx POWERLINES.........oh, what a hummmm...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "COSTELLOE Richard" <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] summertime project? Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:09:33 +0200 > > Long evenings... cloudless skies (unless yr in Dublin!)... time for a > new microsound audio project? Any takers? Themes or ideas? Perhaps > touch back > on the discussion of power structures in music? > > or not > > - R > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 15 12:10:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36213-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33550 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:10:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 33537 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:10:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:09:33 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] summertime project? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: summertime project? Thread-index: AcVwFe8ZcA5zIIGCQ7ysIfGKTVT65wBiRGQQ Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2005 12:09:34.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[17ED4200:01C571A3] Long evenings... cloudless skies (unless yr in Dublin!)... time for a new microsound audio project? Any takers? Themes or ideas? Perhaps touch back on the discussion of power structures in music? or not - R --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 14 21:25:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36212-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20061 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 20050 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:38:57 +0200 From: Claudio Parodi <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 7 Jun 2005 17:25:44 -0000 Issue 1427 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <009801c57127$dd57a8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > aphex is rather an example of pop-cultural overestimation, than that > > great a "composer"... he surely had a great impact/influence on fields > > of electronic music, but basically he's just an innovative techno > > producer...=20 > > An anedocte which I find very funny. On an Italian magazine Aphex Twins > declared his wish to do something with Karlheinz Stockhausen "before he > dies" (yep, he said that), and that some accord was going to be. While I was > attending at a masterclass about Oktophonie by Karlheinz Stockhausen, > someone asked about this announced collaboration. Karlheinz Stockhausen > answered that yes, he and Aphex Twins sometimes shared the same bills, but a > collaboration is impossible because Aphex Twins is not a tought musician... > > Which is interesting, but let´s remember it´s a personal statement from > Stockhausen, it does not turn into objective fact simply by him being so > important and influential. Aphex may or may not be a "thought musician" or > even a "great composer", perhaps at the same time as bing a clever techno > producer regardless of what Stockhausen thinks. I completely agree. The funny side of the history is in how much grandeur Aphex put in his own declaration, even though he knew it wasn't true. > this speaks strongly to the closed-mindedness of the academy. But also to the loss of reality of the market-pushed musicians. > Does one need to be a trained musician to appreciate Stockhausen? To > listen to his music? Not at all. You just need two ears and a brain in-between. > Most Music is predicated by a set of rules, learning music theory does > not make one a great musician. Talent and thought process/attitude is > just as important. I completely agree. > Also What about all the great self taught musicians? Blues anyone? > Jazz? Many of the greats were self taught, and the blazed a path of > innovation, as opposed to following the rut that academia aften throws > the creative sole into. I completely agree. Claudio Parodi xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 14 18:44:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36211-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45723 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:44:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 45682 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:44:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:44:15 +0300 From: niko <xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] REPTILJAN : The Hellbender Suite CD out now To: xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Organization: Moo Chaocrates [kaaos.org] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx REPTILJAN The Hellbender Suite CD, Some Place Else 2005 SPECD05033 Tracklist: 1. Dehibernate 2. BassFinder General (PitchBenders Funeral) 3. Full Frontal Stupidity 4. Freegulls 5. Pangrenade (Pandemic Epidemic) 6. Snap Crackle Pope in the Ear Tunnel of Love (Trickstermix) 7. Outauguration of the Chimp Zombie 8. Rockworms 9. Browntone Burst 10. Kafka Snores 11. All Songs Must Die. Reptiljan combines the blast-beats of grindcore and the broken rhythms of drill’n’bass/ breakcore, samples in everything from 1980’s heavy to modern hip-hop and lets in a good dose of abrasive noise and distortion. Reptiljan is a manic burst of noise, hectic rhythms and splintered guitars, making the listener squirm, laugh uncontrollably and see lizards on the walls. Reptiljan is a mutant radiating energy, related in spirit to artists like Napalm Death, Venetian Snares, Kid606, Painkiller (John Zorn, Bill Laswell, Mick Harris), Beherit, who are breaking the different boundaries of music. Reptiljan is a violent and humoristic combination of different styles and something completely new. Reptiljan is music you can laugh at! This music is far removed from the dead seriousness and graveness all too often connected with electronic music. Reptiljan’s latest gig came to a grinding halt after just three minutes burst of ruckus and tormented beats as the PA went silent, leaving the artist swearing and laughing. The audience reacted with applause spiced with laughter. Even the mystical Snap Crackle Pope was laughing into his mitre somewhere behind the curtains…! Reptiljan is a project by Niko Skorpio. A project where he lets go all the energy bubbling inside him, sparing nothing. Niko Skorpio has been actively involved in underground music scenes from the beginning of the 1990’s. He has behind him a number line-ups, styles and albums; this album by Reptiljan is the latest and certainly the loudest and most energetic! The Hellbender Suite is a half-an-hour package of compressed energy, a dirty bomb purifying both mind and soul. In Pangrenade, blastbeats get layered over and over again, growing into an aggressive wall of sound, which collapses under its own weight in order to rise up again. Freegulls is arrogantly pilfering a recent hit, bending it into unrecognizable knots. Outauguration of the Chimp Zombie is an instinctual regurgitation on world politics pouring straight out from the spine... All in all, 11 tracks and 28 minutes. The Hellbender Suite is dedicated to Nuclear Death, Beherit and Impetigo (cult bands from the change of the 80-90’s, in case you didn't know) and naturally to Cryptobranchus alleganiensis, who lent his name to the album. Listen to MP3s and/or buy online from us: http://www.someplaceelse.net/releases/?id=specd05033 All comments, suggestions etc. welcome as usual. Thanks for reading! Some Place Else P.O. 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Tue Jun 14 02:12:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36210-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.169]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz3.hyperreal.org (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by iport01.srv.hcvlny.cv.net with SMTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:15:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 90004 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:12:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 89994 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:12:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:11:29 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3VCQaXvqIFEdYb1qv1DHPA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,196,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="2602663:sNHT14614264" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_3VCQaXvqIFEdYb1qv1DHPA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I felt that Tom might better explain his decision to use KDX. Here is his response. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Tom Ellard" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> > Date: 13 June 2005 7:00:54 PM > To: Julian Knowles > Subject: Re: thread re KDX sevcom > > Interesting. > > My response: I am sure the microsound list can understand the need for > experimentation - in this case in terms of communications. We're about > 6 months down the track and I think I can answer some questions. > > We chose KDX because it works the same on all platforms. We looked at > a lot of other tools and thought this seemed pretty compact and > efficient. It fits on a USB key and it works on any machine you care > to use - take it to India with you! It's also very security minded. > Bad points - one developer - he's a touch nutty and we don't know when > the new version comes. But he listened to every one of our requests, > said some are already happening. We are more about talk than files and > that's not common. > > Community building - is hard work. KDX is not for the lazy sysop. You > have to have the drive of the small town. One problem is that people > are confused by 'news'. It's the same as 'mail' but it just seems hard > to grasp that you can just mail that way - and they feel pressured to > chat when they don't have to do that. But having said that - once > you're in KDX it uses up no bandwidth. Just log in and ignore it. We > even found a new concept we call 'blurking'. You just sit in the chat > and leave it running all day. Come home at night and see what was said > all day. The quality of the community is people, not the program. > > We found that a different bunch of people use KDX than used to be on > the mailing list. Odd. > > I would sum it up by saying that you cannot move a mailing list onto a > KDX. It becomes something else. It becomes smaller, more dedicated, > more about strong personalities. > > If anybody would like to kick the tyres they are welcome at > 'sevcom.com' port '1984' pass and name 'guest'. > > Cheers. --Boundary_(ID_3VCQaXvqIFEdYb1qv1DHPA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 16:35:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36209-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50920 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:35:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 50910 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:35:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Grenier <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] MANIFEST In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lPiWNHF+4cccQDxZhLtskg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_lPiWNHF+4cccQDxZhLtskg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oops... I meant histOrical... sorry... This is an histerical statement! Having an auditory nature, sound needs a ringing dynamism or at intervals so as to perceive its evolution in space. 1. Every sounding perception is artistically demonstrated. 2. By locating sounds in space a sounding physical space is created. 3. Space can be occupied and disoccupied and this relation creates a kinetic system. 4. A sounding kinetic system consist in the sound evolution in space. 5. The direction and speed of sound determines the kinetic sounding. 6. So, the sounding kinetic variable is a characteristic (propiety) of the musical lenguage. 7. Kinetic Music : Sounding structure determined (defined) by its kinetyc variable. Spatializatión and Kinetics: www.kineticsoundsystem.com/kineticmusic.htm best huts --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. --Boundary_(ID_lPiWNHF+4cccQDxZhLtskg)-- From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 16:33:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36208-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48435 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:33:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 48424 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:33:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Grenier <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] MANIFEST In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5BFNSvjmOsxU92jKX6PZdA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_5BFNSvjmOsxU92jKX6PZdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an histerical statement! Having an auditory nature, sound needs a ringing dynamism or at intervals so as to perceive its evolution in space. 1. Every sounding perception is artistically demonstrated. 2. By locating sounds in space a sounding physical space is created. 3. Space can be occupied and disoccupied and this relation creates a kinetic system. 4. A sounding kinetic system consist in the sound evolution in space. 5. The direction and speed of sound determines the kinetic sounding. 6. So, the sounding kinetic variable is a characteristic (propiety) of the musical lenguage. 7. Kinetic Music : Sounding structure determined (defined) by its kinetyc variable. Spatializatión and Kinetics: www.kineticsoundsystem.com/kineticmusic.htm best huts --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. --Boundary_(ID_5BFNSvjmOsxU92jKX6PZdA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 13:43:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36207-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72235 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:43:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 72224 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:43:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:43:08 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cuWfGzpVi2g70uSzQ9wT7GFlxxZ2i+QXKHOWS7HjwWwrIeYtZ+uj4DfVrysZV93Z0cOBLKCQAcS6D7jlwoGxyMms/PT5Hjk7Tsn8604vyIBB38khXjr9dfyEVgaIEpvmfvcYwp+bJgv2+0jXBbDWe8ykKZ/A8Et3+YeVboiTbro= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/13/05, Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > thus I was counting up three > separate software apps that you (and all other collaborators) would > need to be running in order to have about a quarter of the > functionality that you'd get in something like KDX or indeed Hotline. > 1) FTP = FTP client, 2) IRC = IRC client, 3) Forum = Web browser. the forum right now is the email list, so you can add an email client to your list. > It's not practical and its too clumsy. This is why people design > collaborative environments. there is another design philosophy that values modularity- which is what you get with separate clients for ftp, irc, mail, and so on. this way, if one of your clients stops working, you can still participate. if KDX stops working, so do you. also, by using the open protocols to transmit information [ftp, irc, &c.], you allow users to use whatever clients they want. with a monolithic client [like KDX or hotline], that choice is taken away from the users. so, it's also about free as in freedom [of choice] as opposed to free as in beer [no cost]; although, there are many clients for the open protocols that are available at no cost. > Given the amount of labour involved, I > don't think $30 is an unreasonable shareware fee. Having dinner out can > cost you more.... yes, but you might get sex afterwards ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 11:47:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36205-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36288 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:47:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 36276 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:47:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:47:13 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 13, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Julian Knowles wrote: > The forum would require a web browser... thus I was counting up > three separate software apps that you (and all other collaborators) > would need to be running in order to have about a quarter of the > functionality that you'd get in something like KDX or indeed > Hotline. 1) FTP = FTP client, 2) IRC = IRC client, 3) Forum = Web > browser. I said "and a forum perhaps". I was assuming we'd not need it. > It's not practical and its too clumsy. This is why people design > collaborative environments. I do not see how FTP + IRC is too clumsy, but you're entitled to your opinion. >> The former speaks for itself. > > The sentiment does, but the grounds on which you have made such an > assessment do not. I would expect such a damning statement to be > based on some specific criticisms of its performance. > > I have found it to be fast, very low on CPU.bandwidth, extremely > stable (not one crash). It just works. Given the amount of labour > involved, I don't think $30 is an unreasonable shareware fee. > Having dinner out can cost you more.... No no no. It has nothing to do with its performance. It is just *hideously ugly* as I said, crapping all over established interface conventions. And yes, $30 is a lot to spend if I'd only be using it for .microsound. That is a prohibitive cost for people who aren't using KDX otherwise. It's also $30 more than I care to give to anyone I don't particularly like. >> I'd also be more than happy to set up a forum. > > Which, to be honest, is not much of an advance on a mailing list, > other than it is threaded from the outset (although lately i've > been trying gmail to see if it can help tame my list mail). Oddly enough though, I do find that they allow for communities with much more depth. That has been my experience at least. Time for me morning coffee. :-) - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 12:46:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36206-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52525 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:46:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 52515 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:46:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:59:47 +0200 From: huts <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] MANIFEST To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZXYydFUx7DzcaLrLzYYb0Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ZXYydFUx7DzcaLrLzYYb0Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Having an auditory nature, sound needs a ringing dynamism or at intervals so as to perceive its evolution in space. 1. 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Kinetic Music : Sounding structure determined (defined) by its kinetyc variable. --Boundary_(ID_ZXYydFUx7DzcaLrLzYYb0Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Spatializatión and Kinetics: www.kineticsoundsystem.com/kineticmusic.htm best huts ____ / I___/ I KinTools I I___I I I/___ I/ www.kineticsoundsystem.com --Boundary_(ID_ZXYydFUx7DzcaLrLzYYb0Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_ZXYydFUx7DzcaLrLzYYb0Q)-- From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 06:48:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36204-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94193 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:48:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 94183 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:48:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:48:36 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> On 13/06/2005, at 12:18 PM, John Nowak wrote: >>> I'm not paying for such a client, especially when an FTP server and >>> IRC (and perhaps a forum) would do just as well, if not better, with >>> tools people are more familiar with. <smip> > Well I already have IRC open anyway, so it is just another tab. Then > add an IRC client. You'd not need a browser at all. The forum would require a web browser... thus I was counting up three separate software apps that you (and all other collaborators) would need to be running in order to have about a quarter of the functionality that you'd get in something like KDX or indeed Hotline. 1) FTP = FTP client, 2) IRC = IRC client, 3) Forum = Web browser. It's not practical and its too clumsy. This is why people design collaborative environments. >>> KDX is also a hideously atrocious piece of crap, and the author is a >>> real ass. >> >> those are strong opinions. care to elaborate? and have you >> communicated as such to the developer? > > The former speaks for itself. The sentiment does, but the grounds on which you have made such an assessment do not. I would expect such a damning statement to be based on some specific criticisms of its performance. I have found it to be fast, very low on CPU.bandwidth, extremely stable (not one crash). It just works. Given the amount of labour involved, I don't think $30 is an unreasonable shareware fee. Having dinner out can cost you more.... > It is terrible for interaction. You could use this mailing list > thought for interaction for the time being. OK so we're in agreement on that. The movement of the sevs list to KDX was due to an assessment that the mailing list was a failure in terms of a tool for interaction. Too much noise, not enough content, too much 'one-to-many' from a limited number of more dominant voices and no opportunity for mixing the types of interaction. > I'd also be more than happy to set up a forum. Which, to be honest, is not much of an advance on a mailing list, other than it is threaded from the outset (although lately i've been trying gmail to see if it can help tame my list mail). It seems there is quite a bit of discussion on various lists as to the future survival of mailing lists as a form of communication and what emerging alternatives there may be. cheers julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 04:27:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36203-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51430 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:27:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 51420 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:27:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:27:26 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 12, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Julian Knowles wrote: > On 13/06/2005, at 12:18 PM, John Nowak wrote: > > >> I'm not paying for such a client, especially when an FTP server >> and IRC (and perhaps a forum) would do just as well, if not >> better, with tools people are more familiar with. > > the plural 'tools' is the operative word... which i think is why > people bother developing a tool (singular) which performs the > range of required functions. You have listed 3 - ftp client, irc > client, web browser. Thats a cluttered desktop and it is not > entirely ergonomic or inviting. Well I already have IRC open anyway, so it is just another tab. Then add an IRC client. You'd not need a browser at all. >> You could even do it all in a web-based way using some content >> management system. > > Also, CMS through a web browser is like trying to sprint through > quicksand. True. Also, all such systems are kind of icky... >> KDX is also a hideously atrocious piece of crap, and the author is >> a real ass. > > those are strong opinions. care to elaborate? and have you > communicated as such to the developer? The former speaks for itself. As to the latter, I've been on forums where he has communicated and expressed his ideas, and I just generally don't want to be someone who gives a guy like him money. >> And no, I'm not just saying that because I wish more people here >> would add their works to ruccas.org ...*ahem* > > which seems to be a wiki - ok as publishing space, but not so great > for interaction, no? It is terrible for interaction. You could use this mailing list thought for interaction for the time being. I'd also be more than happy to set up a forum. > I would commend anyone's efforts to promote and foster the > community, but (not to be negative) this kind of thing is where > sevcom was a number of years ago and the KDX experiment is about > trying to rekindle some sense of interaction where the > communication can range from one to one, to one to many, from real- > time to non-real time etc... A lot of people have tried a lot of > different things and I think we need to learn from that collective > experience. I'm just in an all out grump mood today. I'm sure I'll regret most of what I've said tomorrow. I need to switch to an email client that lets me impose a 24 hour delay on all outgoing messages... - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 04:21:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36202-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49363 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:21:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 49353 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:21:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:21:31 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 12, 2005, at 11:35 PM, Julian Knowles wrote: > John, reflecting further on your reply... i have a devli's advocate > position to put to you. Given your views on paying for software > when many of the functions can be achieved with free alternatives, > it seems inconsistent that you use Max/MSP over PD > > Is this any different? > > julian' I'm actually spending a stupidly large amount of time working on an alternative to Max. Not because I mind paying for Max. I mean, I use a Mac. I don't mind paying for good software, and giving good people money. (Not that Apple are necessarily "good people", but Cycling sure as hell are.) I'm doing it for other reasons. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 03:40:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36201-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36693 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:40:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 36683 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:40:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:45:40 +1000 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx |-|3 |-|45 633|\| 0\/\/|\|3|) !!!! > John, reflecting further on your reply... i have a devli's advocate > position to put to you. Given your views on paying for software when > many of the functions can be achieved with free alternatives, it > seems inconsistent that you use Max/MSP over PD > > Is this any different? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 03:36:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36200-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33306 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:36:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 33295 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:36:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:35:51 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John, reflecting further on your reply... i have a devli's advocate position to put to you. Given your views on paying for software when many of the functions can be achieved with free alternatives, it seems inconsistent that you use Max/MSP over PD Is this any different? julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 03:07:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36199-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23590 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:07:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 23578 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:07:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:06:53 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 13/06/2005, at 12:18 PM, John Nowak wrote: > I'm not paying for such a client, especially when an FTP server and > IRC (and perhaps a forum) would do just as well, if not better, with > tools people are more familiar with. the plural 'tools' is the operative word... which i think is why people bother developing a tool (singular) which performs the range of required functions. You have listed 3 - ftp client, irc client, web browser. Thats a cluttered desktop and it is not entirely ergonomic or inviting. > You could even do it all in a web-based way using some content > management system. as a matter of interest, the sevcom people were doing that for many years..., and indeed, i think, were pioneers of the 'free web space for artists' idea. This was not ultimately successful, for a range of reasons, which led them to consider other options. Also, CMS through a web browser is like trying to sprint through quicksand. This is not a question of trying to find the cheapest technology to make simple functions possible (chat, posts, file storage etc...). There are lots of cheap/free ways of doing just about anything. Its about the subtle dynamics of online communication and interaction and the way in which an interface or software environment can assist or develop that in interesting ways. > KDX is also a hideously atrocious piece of crap, and the author is a > real ass. those are strong opinions. care to elaborate? and have you communicated as such to the developer? > > And no, I'm not just saying that because I wish more people here would > add their works to ruccas.org ... *ahem* which seems to be a wiki - ok as publishing space, but not so great for interaction, no? I would commend anyone's efforts to promote and foster the community, but (not to be negative) this kind of thing is where sevcom was a number of years ago and the KDX experiment is about trying to rekindle some sense of interaction where the communication can range from one to one, to one to many, from real-time to non-real time etc... A lot of people have tried a lot of different things and I think we need to learn from that collective experience. cheers julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 02:19:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36198-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9919 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:19:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 9908 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:19:27 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:18:18 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Julian Knowles wrote: > This provides all of the facilities you require. It is not, > however, free... it costs US$30 for a client. > I'm not paying for such a client, especially when an FTP server and IRC (and perhaps a forum) would do just as well, if not better, with tools people are more familiar with. You could even do it all in a web-based way using some content management system. KDX is also a hideously atrocious piece of crap, and the author is a real ass. I really do not know why, in this day and age, anyone would want to rely on such questionable, commercial software. There is no way I'd say $30 for the privilege of accessing .microsound over KDX. And no, I'm not just saying that because I wish more people here would add their works to ruccas.org ... *ahem* - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 13 01:22:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36197-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94485 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:22:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 94474 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:22:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:22:47 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 13/06/2005, at 6:18 AM, Björn Eriksson wrote: > The needs: > a) There is need for a place to exchange/upload/download soundbits and > mixes for different projects and other inspiral purposes. > b) There is also need for a place with possibilities of a more direct > communication than this list offer. > > Possible solutions: > 1) Hotline did this both but problems with server quite often. > 2) ftp + IRC will do it. > 3) TWiki + irc does it too if TWiki is set to accept uploads. The long running severed heads list recently closed by Tom Ellard and Stephen Jones in favour of a new model for interaction, using Haxial's KDX http://www.haxial.com/products/kdx/ This provides all of the facilities you require. It is not, however, free... it costs US$30 for a client. Whilst this is highly unusual in a community which tends to presume that free is always better, the payment keeps the developers at it and there is a very lively interaction Tom, Stephen and the developers about necessary new features for their needs and refinements to the existing interface. I understand that these changes are happening very quickly. something I guess which is made possible by allowing the developer to work full time. Everyone appears happy. You can read about the motivation here http://www.sevcom.com/kdx-1.htm along with instructions to observe as a guest. Like anything of this nature, it goes from being deathly quiet to being quite active. People have also been streaming DJ sets using a couple of shoutcast servers, and people can chat about the music or ignore it, just like they might at a live gig. I think its fair to say that the sevs list was grappling with similar problems which have plagued .microsound... (as are many lists) and there was a feeling that email lists were not the best way to build and foster an online community. Anyway, this is how one group has tried to address these issues. cheers julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 22:33:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36196-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46340 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:33:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 46330 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:33:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:33:05 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WxmjYGTXXKy6diuXwM5UqzqWeOrwPe8awi5Zq2SRn/IkT2/EI/TzkMPuT8KilNHyS/5FmWJ8AT4RVua0O2QLMOSj8PG3q2C+NeGNDbYii2CZwdVVx2wtwtRssFg2gcW2C6JAQmR19+CU+zbHqz6e676mSlM3zq0qZ6et0Qug19o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <004b01c56df5$7eabca90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 6/11/05, jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > robert, thanks you for the reccomendations. although, > i am not much of a buyer of cds and i don't now if i > can be converted readily or incontravertibly, in any > case. just to qualify what i said earlier in light of > another post by barry about a music beyond consolation > and nostalgia: You should really listen to Fennesz' Live in Japan. Fabulous recording. One of my favorites in the genre. Endless Summer is also excellent and Venice is OK. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 20:15:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36195-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99347 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:15:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 99334 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:15:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:18:50 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003401c56f8b$f332fef0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The needs: a) There is need for a place to exchange/upload/download soundbits and mixes for different projects and other inspiral purposes. b) There is also need for a place with possibilities of a more direct communication than this list offer. Possible solutions: 1) Hotline did this both but problems with server quite often. 2) ftp + IRC will do it. 3) TWiki + irc does it too if TWiki is set to accept uploads. Yours, Björn Eriksson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 17:20:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36194-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34282 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:20:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 34272 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:20:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:20:18 -0400 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.202] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2005 17:20:18.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[019FA8D0:01C56F73] Try using Mulch with MidiOx/Yoke - use an external sequencer, something basic like ProTools or Cakewalk (I know softsnobs are going to give hell for this...), but just for sequencing MIDI CC data, then sending the data through a MidiYoke channel into AudioMulch - this really works, been using it for years now - in fact I prefer it because it uses the software in a modular way to exploit the best qualities of each program while getting around the shortcomings. And we all like modular things now, don't we? David >From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:38:15 -0700 (PDT) > >Personally, I kinda like those 'shortcomings' of AudioMulch. Depending >on what I'm working on, I'll sequence in another piece of software, >then pull them in for composition or live performance in Mulch. I've >also had some interesting results 'sequencing' notes using contraptions >via the automation pane. I know you can run VST trackers inside Mulch, >can't remember which one I tried. I think Ross is working on developing >the sequencing capabilities, but making yet another VST host doesn't >really appear to be the goal. > >Ive heard great things about Buzz and Plogue, but haven't spent time >with them to really understand them. I'm somewhat partial to Orion >though. > >P > >-------------------------------------------------- > >I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! > >~David > >Though the idea of MIDI VST's > >Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > >I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. > >Are there plans to develop this? > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 15:25:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36193-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4345 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:25:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 4335 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:24:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:24:57 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QzVWtNrRjS+Wj065CkQhvezuJK7fGwWrKJMlNlZV+P03dvnGgWO6bHiwOZIDIoutJams0JLqUU+5bysKx1ktQ7fv37t9hL/lmoWTOIBPI/qF2JHLkHrXbr2lcXFc25qH2wu1ulFRF+uk93pOK7IiF/EGKxTRVB+UyP+szcXYtGM= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/11/05, John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Not to be cranky, but it seems like that thing is never up. > Can't we find a better solution? there's always the wiki ... and before we look for a better solution, let's try to understand what needs solving. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 04:38:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36192-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52454 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:38:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 52444 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:38:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MSboen3UvhEdetMu8J441pmqgYBKa+lUwlhnm4BuB8x5V3eJHBy20Og+Yr0a4OcEu9E2rqb0HyfFPZhzFv/BQyB0i1qoxr0xhQp7mCtnu+M5ZT0jt1XMMHfPSKh7hKwdOKrHxWO1iKeSxYN+oBU5fQQWPPvGmsPVDDcgKtXRBF4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Personally, I kinda like those 'shortcomings' of AudioMulch. Depending on what I'm working on, I'll sequence in another piece of software, then pull them in for composition or live performance in Mulch. I've also had some interesting results 'sequencing' notes using contraptions via the automation pane. I know you can run VST trackers inside Mulch, can't remember which one I tried. I think Ross is working on developing the sequencing capabilities, but making yet another VST host doesn't really appear to be the goal. Ive heard great things about Buzz and Plogue, but haven't spent time with them to really understand them. I'm somewhat partial to Orion though. P -------------------------------------------------- I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! ~David Though the idea of MIDI VST's Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >Are there plans to develop this? __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. 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Sun Jun 12 03:37:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36191-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38258 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:37:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 38248 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:37:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:37:17 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:34 PM, Kevin Ponto wrote: > It's never worked for me. Perhaps FTP would be a better solution. I agree, especially considering the terrible state of Hotline in general nowadays. As far as I'm concerned, it has always been an answer (and a proprietary one at that) to an unasked question. FTP + IRC is a much better solution in any situation I can think of. There I go speaking in absolutes again... - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 03:34:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36190-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36879 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:34:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 36868 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:34:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:34:11 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's never worked for me. Perhaps FTP would be a better solution. k On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:05 PM, John Nowak wrote: > > On Jun 11, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> has anyone else been able to log onto the microsound hotline server? >> I haven't been able to since my return to the US and the reason I >> haven't assigned any new passwords > > Not to be cranky, but it seems like that thing is never up. > Can't we find a better solution? > > - John > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 12 03:05:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36189-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28973 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:05:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 28963 invoked from network); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:05:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:05:05 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline server? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 11, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > has anyone else been able to log onto the microsound hotline server? > I haven't been able to since my return to the US and the reason I > haven't assigned any new passwords Not to be cranky, but it seems like that thing is never up. Can't we find a better solution? - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 11 22:30:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36188-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61514 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:30:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 61504 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:30:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:30:12 -0700 From: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] Trm yr psts To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=siISjAN7kWFF2fyE+Iqk4TDDFMedl8QwDtU8BMyz9r4PG4RO2cKyv0PWihcr6O4yKplra31gaXClYZhBUJiN0Q/D6AdqCw36ZCb7opJOGWtOVWwpHe0ZEIllEJXmIJrtOSEy+ygVbcFb8jTDXz6Q+DzYa5J/XoLIEzMlR6HE7QQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Please trim your posts. Many people include useless information at the bottom of their emails, such as the list info repeated four or five times. This is especially pernicious for those of us who read the digest. Thanks in advance. :-) PT -- Phil Thomson, BFA, MFA 010100000110100001101001011011000010000001010100011010000110111101101101011100110110111101101110 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 11 21:37:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36187-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46129 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:37:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 46118 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:37:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0400 From: darren bergstein <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] chuck bettis arrested To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx at the moment, i am too angry to produce something cohesive here...the words nearly fail me. and i was just in kim's this morning. the strange thing is that the air in there was 'normal,' meaning that no one spoke of the incident (i myself was not made aware until the good mr. van veen enlightened me). it's too easy to simply say we lived in a fucked-up world. it's just a way to paraphrase an old johnny hart "b.c." strip where one character says, "yep, it's a funny world," to which the other character replies, "everyone says that but nobody laughs." no, the issues here that led to this nonsense are far-ranging, the seeds having been germinated many many moons ago, more than likely within the giuliani years, and culminating right on up to 9/11, with the wondrous patriot act eating away into our civil rights like a worm gnawing ferociously through the apple of sense and sensibility. shake your head at the wonderfully brutal inanity of it all (it's difficult for me to be wholly objective here as i know many of the clerks @ kims, and especially craig willingham, who would buy a 'bootleg' about as fast as a drowning man would a glass of seawater) as nyc's finest have nothing better to do than shake down a bunch of dudes handing over change & plastic, all in the name of uncovering some vast horde of alleged illegal booty, the sales of which would surely rip asunder the very heart of the record industry. it's especially amusing since, to the best of my knowledge, kim's has never sold bootlegs of any kind (having never done an inventory there, however, it might be prudent to not quote me on that). but that's far from the point. new york, still a city recovering from 9/11 malaise and fear, has about the biggest bullseye of any major western city painted on it, has damocles' nuclear sword dangling over it ever so precipitously, and keeping the riaa and its nazi hordes safe from claiming every last bloodsucking dollar remains some politician's easy-to-devise wet dream of a crackdown. it's virtually a lenny bruce routine brought to life. i feel for everyone down at kims, especially chuck and craig, having to endure this feverish grip of insanity for even a nanosecond. i don't feel at all for the vampires with their misplaced priorities, and certainly not for kim, who oughta be ashamed of himself for not taking care of his people (although perhaps the coming days/weeks might see some change occur; chuck's description of events at least at this point do not indicate kim has lifted his finger worth a farthing). look past the obvious, which in and of itself is frightening and bile-building (the indignities suffered in the pit by chuck are disturbing enough), and at the bigger picture and watch that word 'democracy' start crackling and flittering in and out like moths hitting a heat lamp. free society? it's a term that almost raises a chuckle...i would like to believe that, but what keeps me up nights is that it's only facade. and the kind of things that happened to someone like chuck can come knocking at any one of our doors if the lights were aligned just right enough. be afraid - be very afraid. darren bergstein e|i magazine jorge castro wrote: >chuck bettis (trance and the arcade) sent this letter >out to friends... i'm sure some people on this list >know chuck so i post it here. it is said that >electronic artist I-Sound was also arrested. > >// > >Subject: Yes, i was arrested and in jail....for >working at Kim's > >Dear Loving Friends, >On June 8, 2005, i along w/ 4 other Kim's employees >were arrested during a raid on Kim's. The RIAA hired >some pigs to come and bust the store, the arrest was >totatlly arbitary. They were supoosed to be busting >down on bootlegs, thanks to the media exposure on Star >Wars bootlegs (it happened to be a live 50 cent >concert, so if he was involved in any way FUCK 50 >Cent!). They took me since i am the manager on the 2nd >floor. Mr. Kim was no where to be found. >The store was shut down, employees lined up, a few of >us got cuffed w/out being told we are being arrested >and with out utilzing our miranda rights. We were >taken to the holding cell, where we waited approx 5 >hrs before they fingerprinted us and put us into a >chain gang to take us downtown (despite them telling >us they were going to give us desk passes so we would >not have to spend the night in jail...FUCK THE >POLICE!!!). >So we went downtown, beforehand they confiscated our >cell phones and thanks to technology, was not able to >memorize anyone's phone numbers. The pigs still have >my cell phone & ipod. So we got put into a pen w/ a >bunch of other dudes. The cells were packed >constantly, filled w/ 30 or so people at a time, >having 10 bull pens down there, body heat made things >harder in the dank cells. Hours later i was separted >from the rest of my co-workers and put into a >different cell, separated from the one guy whom had >the name & number to the Kim's lawyer. Those who don't >know, i have a hard time w/ authority. i spent 30+ hrs >in jail for working at Kim's. All the other employees >were released from there cells before me, i had a >panic attack that was prompted by all this stress, not >eating (jail is not really vegan friendly) nor >sleeping the entire time i was in. i got really >claustrophobic, thought everyone was stealing my air >(for those who live in NY, the jail cell was 10x >hotter then the 2nd ave. F stop) my heartrate doubled, >i couldn't breathe and i started to >crack. i started to waddle back and forth like orphans >do from not being mothered long enough or at all. >My man Jerry Lim, whom is the only numbered i >remembered, for we call each other every day. He >worked his ass off to help me out, big ups for Lim, >when you see him, hug him and buy him a drink. Calling >mutual friends whom have lawyers and money to help >bail me out. The Correction Officers were very >reluctant to help him help me out in any way. >When i bummed a quarter off a fellow inmate, i was at >the point of cracking, mumbling w/ the entire cell >yelling and overall carrying on like it was a party >for them. Some also had arbitrary arrests, like >walking through the park at night or some for more >"serious" crimes like selling weed. i would like to >take this moment to give Guiliani & Bloomberg a big >fuck you! i can honestly say i hate these men. >Hours later, at a point i was almost convinced i was >going to spend 72 hrs or more in jail (they can >legally hold you for 72 hrs, but if it falls on the >weekend, you stay over the weekend regardless), i got >called, went to my arrainment and senteced to one day >of community service. >i was arrested apparently for making and distributing >bootleg material (a felony offense aka your going to >Rykers), which is not true, obviously. Charges were >lowered to a misdeamor and i was sentenced to a day of >community service. That was a relief in a sense. You >can only imagine how intensely pissed i am at Mr. Kim >at this moment and was ready to quit when i go out. >Below is a clipping from NY Times, which article >helped speed up our arrainment (so i hear). Mr. Kim is >supposedly turning himself in on monday, i have no >idea was it going out (that is how it was the entire >time i was locked up, the pigs like to keep you in the >dark). >So, i am sorry i can't call everyone right now, but i >thought this may be best way for mass communication. >Needless to say i hate cops even more now and have >even >less faith in the united states legal system. >Thanks for all your support. Hope to see you all soon. > >luv, >chu > >/// > >from nytimes.com > >Police Raid Video Store in East Village in Piracy Case > >By THOMAS J. LUECK > >Published: June 10, 2005 > >A longtime fixture in the East Village, Mondo Kim's, a >mecca for independent music and video at 6 St. Marks >Place, was raided and closed for five hours on >Wednesday by police officers who left with boxes >filled with CD's, DVD's and computer equipment. Five >store employees were charged with trademark >counterfeiting. > > >According to several employees of the store, known >widely for the its independent labels, and sometimes >ornery staff, the police arrived about 1 p.m. on >Wednesday, and ordered all customers to leave. > >Then, all of the 20 or so clerks, managers and other >employees who were working in the three-floor store, >which sells DVD's, CD's, books and production >equipment, were told to line up on the ground floor. >The police quickly identified four men and one woman >and led them away in handcuffs. They ordered everyone >else to leave and searched the store until about 6 >p.m., when officers filed out carrying boxes. > >The police said yesterday that investigators had >carried out a search warrant for counterfeit >trademarked goods and that the material seized >included nine computer towers, a CD burner, a laptop >computer, 471 compact disks and 53 videos. > >The employees charged with counterfeiting were >identified as Theo Frimpong, 39, of the Bronx; Diana >Kinscherf, 19, of Queens; Donald Stahl, 26, and >Charles Bettis, 29, both of Brooklyn; and Craig >Willingham, 32, of Manhattan. > >Mondo Kim's is on a block of St. Marks Place, between >Second and Third Avenues, that has long been a >crossroads of bohemian culture. It and three other >Manhattan stores known as Kim's Video and Music are >widely known among the cognoscenti of new, >experimental and esoteric music and film. > >Many customers seek out the four Kim's outlets for >recordings they are unable to find in even the largest >music stores, and they often say they patronize the >St. >Marks Place store despite the attitude of its staff, >which is not always welcoming. > >"It was a rite of passage to go in there, rent a movie >and get snobbed on by some disdainful clerk," said >Mike >Doughty, the former singer of the band Soul Coughing. > >Veterans of the East Village arts scene said the store >had a devoted clientele. > >"They fill a niche," said Mike Stuto, an owner of Hi >Fi, a bar on Avenue A. "It's the difference between a >corner bodega and a special newsstand that carries >every publication you can imagine, but may not have >Time magazine." > >Colin Moynihan contributed reporting for this article. > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- e|i magazine + music electronic & otherwise + -- 9 edward pl " woodcliff lake nj 07677 usa 201.746.0087 " xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx " www.ei-mag.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 11 19:50:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36186-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9450 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:50:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 9438 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:50:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:50:33 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] hotline server? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; heur=0.500(0); stat=0.010; spamtraq-heur=0.500(2005061101)] X-MAIL-FROM: <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-SOURCE-IP: [64.143.55.196] X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-DistLoop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx has anyone else been able to log onto the microsound hotline server? 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Sat Jun 11 16:06:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36185-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34716 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:05:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 34705 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:05:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: jorge castro <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] chuck bettis arrested In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YWKLVq+BCeOaOhG5Qtgx4t32iU+gsrwUoxFKTzey3H/WRK1ZMDlravp3asrO7XVL3O0wlaiPPzYwBvDYvM59tRJMwk5sYxKNAVNjgbRnSETUabm4Tp7LWiNEtFxGp6GJMOf7FKTDY+Fn0ekLGiBjflaKKb3e5YoXJbLQe+ImEm0= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx chuck bettis (trance and the arcade) sent this letter out to friends... i'm sure some people on this list know chuck so i post it here. it is said that electronic artist I-Sound was also arrested. // Subject: Yes, i was arrested and in jail....for working at Kim's Dear Loving Friends, On June 8, 2005, i along w/ 4 other Kim's employees were arrested during a raid on Kim's. The RIAA hired some pigs to come and bust the store, the arrest was totatlly arbitary. They were supoosed to be busting down on bootlegs, thanks to the media exposure on Star Wars bootlegs (it happened to be a live 50 cent concert, so if he was involved in any way FUCK 50 Cent!). They took me since i am the manager on the 2nd floor. Mr. Kim was no where to be found. The store was shut down, employees lined up, a few of us got cuffed w/out being told we are being arrested and with out utilzing our miranda rights. We were taken to the holding cell, where we waited approx 5 hrs before they fingerprinted us and put us into a chain gang to take us downtown (despite them telling us they were going to give us desk passes so we would not have to spend the night in jail...FUCK THE POLICE!!!). So we went downtown, beforehand they confiscated our cell phones and thanks to technology, was not able to memorize anyone's phone numbers. The pigs still have my cell phone & ipod. So we got put into a pen w/ a bunch of other dudes. The cells were packed constantly, filled w/ 30 or so people at a time, having 10 bull pens down there, body heat made things harder in the dank cells. Hours later i was separted from the rest of my co-workers and put into a different cell, separated from the one guy whom had the name & number to the Kim's lawyer. Those who don't know, i have a hard time w/ authority. i spent 30+ hrs in jail for working at Kim's. All the other employees were released from there cells before me, i had a panic attack that was prompted by all this stress, not eating (jail is not really vegan friendly) nor sleeping the entire time i was in. i got really claustrophobic, thought everyone was stealing my air (for those who live in NY, the jail cell was 10x hotter then the 2nd ave. F stop) my heartrate doubled, i couldn't breathe and i started to crack. i started to waddle back and forth like orphans do from not being mothered long enough or at all. My man Jerry Lim, whom is the only numbered i remembered, for we call each other every day. He worked his ass off to help me out, big ups for Lim, when you see him, hug him and buy him a drink. Calling mutual friends whom have lawyers and money to help bail me out. The Correction Officers were very reluctant to help him help me out in any way. When i bummed a quarter off a fellow inmate, i was at the point of cracking, mumbling w/ the entire cell yelling and overall carrying on like it was a party for them. Some also had arbitrary arrests, like walking through the park at night or some for more "serious" crimes like selling weed. i would like to take this moment to give Guiliani & Bloomberg a big fuck you! i can honestly say i hate these men. Hours later, at a point i was almost convinced i was going to spend 72 hrs or more in jail (they can legally hold you for 72 hrs, but if it falls on the weekend, you stay over the weekend regardless), i got called, went to my arrainment and senteced to one day of community service. i was arrested apparently for making and distributing bootleg material (a felony offense aka your going to Rykers), which is not true, obviously. Charges were lowered to a misdeamor and i was sentenced to a day of community service. That was a relief in a sense. You can only imagine how intensely pissed i am at Mr. Kim at this moment and was ready to quit when i go out. Below is a clipping from NY Times, which article helped speed up our arrainment (so i hear). Mr. Kim is supposedly turning himself in on monday, i have no idea was it going out (that is how it was the entire time i was locked up, the pigs like to keep you in the dark). So, i am sorry i can't call everyone right now, but i thought this may be best way for mass communication. Needless to say i hate cops even more now and have even less faith in the united states legal system. Thanks for all your support. Hope to see you all soon. luv, chu /// from nytimes.com Police Raid Video Store in East Village in Piracy Case By THOMAS J. LUECK Published: June 10, 2005 A longtime fixture in the East Village, Mondo Kim's, a mecca for independent music and video at 6 St. Marks Place, was raided and closed for five hours on Wednesday by police officers who left with boxes filled with CD's, DVD's and computer equipment. Five store employees were charged with trademark counterfeiting. According to several employees of the store, known widely for the its independent labels, and sometimes ornery staff, the police arrived about 1 p.m. on Wednesday, and ordered all customers to leave. Then, all of the 20 or so clerks, managers and other employees who were working in the three-floor store, which sells DVD's, CD's, books and production equipment, were told to line up on the ground floor. The police quickly identified four men and one woman and led them away in handcuffs. They ordered everyone else to leave and searched the store until about 6 p.m., when officers filed out carrying boxes. The police said yesterday that investigators had carried out a search warrant for counterfeit trademarked goods and that the material seized included nine computer towers, a CD burner, a laptop computer, 471 compact disks and 53 videos. The employees charged with counterfeiting were identified as Theo Frimpong, 39, of the Bronx; Diana Kinscherf, 19, of Queens; Donald Stahl, 26, and Charles Bettis, 29, both of Brooklyn; and Craig Willingham, 32, of Manhattan. Mondo Kim's is on a block of St. Marks Place, between Second and Third Avenues, that has long been a crossroads of bohemian culture. It and three other Manhattan stores known as Kim's Video and Music are widely known among the cognoscenti of new, experimental and esoteric music and film. Many customers seek out the four Kim's outlets for recordings they are unable to find in even the largest music stores, and they often say they patronize the St. Marks Place store despite the attitude of its staff, which is not always welcoming. "It was a rite of passage to go in there, rent a movie and get snobbed on by some disdainful clerk," said Mike Doughty, the former singer of the band Soul Coughing. Veterans of the East Village arts scene said the store had a devoted clientele. "They fill a niche," said Mike Stuto, an owner of Hi Fi, a bar on Avenue A. "It's the difference between a corner bodega and a special newsstand that carries every publication you can imagine, but may not have Time magazine." Colin Moynihan contributed reporting for this article. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 11 15:41:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36184-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26432 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:41:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 26421 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:41:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:41:24 +0000 From: Nicolas Bacal <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [24.232.72.199] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2005 15:41:25.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[067F3280:01C56E9C] bobby to run Gem on pd (windows) you should execute this line: c:\pd\bin\pd.exe -lib c:\pd\gem\extra\gem -listdev or replace it with your personal folder names. You need to write " -lib c:\ ......" after the pd line. nico bacal www.lile.com.ar >From: "bobby whn" <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:05:04 +0000 > >yes, definately i tried to install GEM but couldnt get it to work , im >probably just putting it in the wrong >folder or something equally stupid. but there were a couple of things that >i couldnt find for PD also which i have for max and was considering putting >in plugins - getting frustrated with max and msp's seperate nature , >whereas moving between control data<-->signal in PD is more direct. >thanks for the advice. > _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.latam.msn.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 11 11:51:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36183-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68087 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:51:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 68074 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:51:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:50:59 +0200 From: Jelmer Cnossen <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Austin venues To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi there! From July 23- 27 I will be around in Austin, Texas and it would be great to meet some fellow micro musicians and have the opportunity to do a liveset! I am a member of the Rotterdam based mashup breakcore collective Cyozlab. At our website www.cyozlab.com there are many mp3's available. At past shows we played along Enduser, FFF, Mochipet (who's recently released 'Feel my China remix CD' features a remix by Cyozlab), Tortoise, Alice Donut, Zea, Droon and many others. I'd be very grateful for any contacts. Hope to see you in Austin! greetz, Jelmer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jun 11 08:21:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36182-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5570 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:21:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 5560 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:21:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <004b01c56df5$7eabca90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VULHsTi6iyVWp3/oumU6OZzgGsQhCQa+ktE1z2ukkBD6oMEPJbqb6yKAabFp4ddTDuuErZpvoWBkl/tEr5JUYHvS6AWf14KjgZfiiYIMY7GXFZt4OQK51I5nb9+eaVX2qPMkTB/4AplVSMji91N/T80QWgdoZF4YHaBAiZDsRzg= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx robert, thanks you for the reccomendations. although, i am not much of a buyer of cds and i don't now if i can be converted readily or incontravertibly, in any case. just to qualify what i said earlier in light of another post by barry about a music beyond consolation and nostalgia: i could also equally say i enjoy not liking fennesz' "field recordings". i don't have a habit of letting a bunch of cds play in the machine on shuffle. to say i am reading the research of a fellow scientist in the field vamps the catergory somewhat. but i am a poet who gave up words for the running aground of thought in the immanence of sound. my next listen may yeild another opinion. if there is a next listen. mine are the thoughts of someone in the middle of an endless process, not a judge or jury wrapped into one... best, jeff gburek --- roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > jeff > fennesz "field recordings" > is one of his least inspiring cds. its a collection > of odd tracks > if i remember correctly. > try endless summer > venice > or live in japan. > or the 2 song ep plays. > that latter might be my favorite. > robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jeff gburek" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs > > > >i like oren's work generally. and i like that gear > > stands out in the open. a lot of what we do > depends on > > what we can afford and how far we will tweak it. > the > > rafael toral i have heard did not seem to use > effects > > or computers much. i have to admit i don't > understand > > the massive popularity of mr. fennesz however. i > have > > the so-called "field recordings" but find it > mostly to > > sound a lot like the grizzly fizzly drizzly stuff > i > > have made with guitar & computer in the first > moments > > that i don't find very interesting. (which is not > to > > say i haven't had some breakthroughs in the past > > months...) > > > > --- xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > > >> with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore > >> the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on > this > >> list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I > >> personally think that "the violence of discovery, > >> calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I > seem > >> to recall some discussion of the > >> ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of > "beauty" > >> on this list some time ago. I would argue that > mr. > >> toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and > keith > >> fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and > >> intellectually engaging at the same time. Up > until > >> recently, in my own work, guitar playing and > digital > >> signal processing remained discrete practices. > >> But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I > am > >> now attempting to find something that works > >> utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user > of > >> audiomulch? > >> > >> > >> > hi there, > >> > > >> > i know many of you will think this is a lame > >> question (and i'm inclined > >> > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know > what > >> kind of equipment > >> > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some > photos > >> that he uses some > >> > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, > >> i'm not trying to > >> > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by > >> curiosity! > >> > > >> > best wishes to each and all, > >> > jon. > >> > > >> > > >> > --- > >> > www.dizzydonor.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Sat Jun 11 01:05:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36181-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83109 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:05:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 83098 invoked from network); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:05:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:05:04 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xxx.xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2005 01:05:04.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[99E58860:01C56E21] yes, definately i tried to install GEM but couldnt get it to work , im probably just putting it in the wrong folder or something equally stupid. but there were a couple of things that i couldnt find for PD also which i have for max and was considering putting in plugins - getting frustrated with max and msp's seperate nature , whereas moving between control data<-->signal in PD is more direct. thanks for the advice. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Fri Jun 10 22:17:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36180-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19614 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:16:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 19603 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:16:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:16:48 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <004b01c56df5$7eabca90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <004b01c56df5$7eabca90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wow, am I glad you told me this, and here i was thinking it was some of my favorite works Fennesz has done, if not my favorite. Silly me!:) aLEKs On Jun 10, 2005, at 3:48 PM, roberth wrote: > jeff > fennesz "field recordings" is one of his least inspiring cds. its a > collection of odd tracks > if i remember correctly. > try endless summer > venice or live in japan. > or the 2 song ep plays. > that latter might be my favorite. > robert > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff gburek" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs > > >> i like oren's work generally. and i like that gear >> stands out in the open. a lot of what we do depends on >> what we can afford and how far we will tweak it. the >> rafael toral i have heard did not seem to use effects >> or computers much. i have to admit i don't understand >> the massive popularity of mr. fennesz however. i have >> the so-called "field recordings" but find it mostly to >> sound a lot like the grizzly fizzly drizzly stuff i >> have made with guitar & computer in the first moments >> that i don't find very interesting. (which is not to >> say i haven't had some breakthroughs in the past >> months...) >> --- xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: >>> with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore >>> the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this >>> list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I >>> personally think that "the violence of discovery, >>> calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem >>> to recall some discussion of the >>> ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" >>> on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. >>> toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith >>> fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and >>> intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until >>> recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital >>> signal processing remained discrete practices. But, recently, I >>> purchased a new sound card and I am >>> now attempting to find something that works >>> utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of >>> audiomulch? >>> > hi there, >>> > > i know many of you will think this is a lame >>> question (and i'm inclined > in some ways to agree), but does >>> anybody know what >>> kind of equipment > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some >>> photos >>> that he uses some > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, >>> i'm not trying to > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by >>> curiosity! >>> > > best wishes to each and all, >>> > jon. >>> > > > --- >>> > www.dizzydonor.org >>> > > > >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: >>> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > website: http://www.microsound.org >>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? 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Fri Jun 10 21:37:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36179-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4742 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:37:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 4732 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:37:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:37:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Barry Grant <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tastes like microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: 168607 X-Sender: unknown To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: RMM Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx My speculation, based on my own experience, is that if one doesn't regard music (only) as a source of consolation or nostaligia, it can become a vast area to be explored and one can find lots of very different things to like for very different reasons. Just like with literature or painting or any other art form. Barry > i like that new song by gwen stefani and ferrel<sp?> > Bananas >?< > > w t f ? > > so catchy, and rascist.? > > really. nice production. and conceptually fills a > void in pop music. remember that song, "oh mickey " > from the 80's. this tune is basically analagous to > that. and that tune gave us a wonderful pop moment. > this bananas song however, is painfull to listen to, > and touches on some controversial topics. teen sex. > penis', a.k.a bananas, and black people's music being > co-opted/performed by white people. it's very > complex. > i'm telling you. > > map station is good too. > > > > --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > > > > Iron and Wine is great, but so is Pig Destroyer! :) > > I think many > > people on this list have very diverse listening > > tastes. I think its > > super... > > > > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Mr.D wrote: > > > > > it fascinates me how people with such > > > wide tastes find a connection to > > > microsound. certainly these tastes > > > would influence any one person's > > > approach to creating it. with that in > > > mind, i wonder how it works the other > > > way around... > > > > > > (i prefer something like iron & wine > > > over a. & the j., which i found heart-felt but a > > little boring.) > > > ___ > > > http://craque.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. 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Fri Jun 10 19:49:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36178-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26997 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:49:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 26987 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:49:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:48:15 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004b01c56df5$7eabca90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx jeff fennesz "field recordings" is one of his least inspiring cds. its a collection of odd tracks if i remember correctly. try endless summer venice or live in japan. or the 2 song ep plays. that latter might be my favorite. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff gburek" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs >i like oren's work generally. and i like that gear > stands out in the open. a lot of what we do depends on > what we can afford and how far we will tweak it. the > rafael toral i have heard did not seem to use effects > or computers much. i have to admit i don't understand > the massive popularity of mr. fennesz however. i have > the so-called "field recordings" but find it mostly to > sound a lot like the grizzly fizzly drizzly stuff i > have made with guitar & computer in the first moments > that i don't find very interesting. (which is not to > say i haven't had some breakthroughs in the past > months...) > > --- xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > >> with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore >> the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this >> list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I >> personally think that "the violence of discovery, >> calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem >> to recall some discussion of the >> ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" >> on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. >> toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith >> fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and >> intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until >> recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital >> signal processing remained discrete practices. >> But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am >> now attempting to find something that works >> utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of >> audiomulch? >> >> >> > hi there, >> > >> > i know many of you will think this is a lame >> question (and i'm inclined >> > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what >> kind of equipment >> > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos >> that he uses some >> > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, >> i'm not trying to >> > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by >> curiosity! >> > >> > best wishes to each and all, >> > jon. >> > >> > >> > --- >> > www.dizzydonor.org >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Fri Jun 10 17:48:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36177-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76701 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:47:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 76691 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:47:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:48:03 +0200 From: mik <xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers schreef: > Well I have a laptop running Windoze XP <insert snide comments + curses > of Micro$oft here> - and I was not able to get it to run AT ALL. Just > crashed in a nasty way. > did you try the different compatibility modes? m -- -------------------------------------------- ----------- http://www.mprims.tk -------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 10 15:59:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36175-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21049 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:59:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 21039 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:59:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:59:12 -0500 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000601c56ddd$ba5bde30$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Have a cheap laptop(2.2ghz Celeron/256mb ram) with winxp and it runs audiomulch just fine...you might want to look at Plogue Bidule(www.plogue.com) ....similar to mulch (I prefer bidule, I just feel its more intuitive)............... //*-----Original Message----- //*From: David Powers [mailto:xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx] //*Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31 PM //*To: microsound //*Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch //* //*Well I have a laptop running Windoze XP <insert snide comments + curses //*of Micro$oft here> - and I was not able to get it to run AT ALL. Just //*crashed in a nasty way. //* //*I'm thinking about using energyXT though, it's cheap and seems to do //*what I want - it will act as both VST host and also VSTi, so I could //*probably use it to sequence in AudioMulch as well. And it supports MIDI //*VST (there are a couple of interesting random ones out there)... //* //*~David //* //*Nicolas Grenier wrote: //* //*>Do you know Jeskola Buzz? It is a bit like Mulch + a sequencer (tracker //*like interface), it supports DX and VST and its own machines (there are a //*lot). www.buzzmachines.com it's free! What are you waiting for!!! And if //*you log on now, you'll get 2 downloads instead of one! //*> //*>David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> a écrit :I agree - if it had //*this it would be the perfect software! //*> //*>~David //*> //*>Though the idea of MIDI VST's //*> //*>Kyle Klipowicz wrote: //*> //*> //*> //*>>I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. //*>>Are there plans to develop this? //*>> //*>>~Kyle //*>> //*>>On 6/9/05, Praemedia //*>> //*>> //*>wrote: //*> //*> //*>> //*>> //*>>>>I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool //*>>>>for any kind of audio //*>>>>production. //*>>>> //*>>>> //*>>>> //*>>>> //*>>>Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. //*>>>pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the //*>>>only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. //*>>>Still one of the better tools out there and I use it //*>>>all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the //*>>>price. //*>>> //*>>>cheers. //*>>> //*>>>lance //*>>>www.praemedia.com //*>>> //*>>> //*>>> //*>>> //*>>>__________________________________ //*>>>Discover Yahoo! //*>>>Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it //*out! //*>>>http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html //*>>> //*>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*>>>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*>>>website: http://www.microsound.org //*>>> //*>>> //*>>> //*>>> //*>>> //*>>> //*>> //*>> //*>> //*>> //*> //*> //*>Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! //*> Créez votre Yahoo! 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Fri Jun 10 16:41:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36176-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43118 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:41:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 43107 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:41:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:41:52 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <000601c56ddd$ba5bde30$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000601c56ddd$ba5bde30$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi - it was Buzz that had the problem, not AudioMulch... In fact AudioMulch runs great! It might just have been due to lack of setup documentation, so that I did something wrong, or even d/led the wrong setup file. I remember it was doing very strange things! ~David Michael North wrote: > Have a cheap laptop(2.2ghz Celeron/256mb ram) with winxp and it runs >audiomulch just fine...you might want to look at Plogue >Bidule(www.plogue.com) ....similar to mulch (I prefer bidule, I just feel >its more intuitive)............... > >//*-----Original Message----- >//*From: David Powers [mailto:xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx] >//*Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31 PM >//*To: microsound >//*Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch >//* >//*Well I have a laptop running Windoze XP <insert snide comments + curses >//*of Micro$oft here> - and I was not able to get it to run AT ALL. Just >//*crashed in a nasty way. >//* >//*I'm thinking about using energyXT though, it's cheap and seems to do >//*what I want - it will act as both VST host and also VSTi, so I could >//*probably use it to sequence in AudioMulch as well. And it supports MIDI >//*VST (there are a couple of interesting random ones out there)... >//* >//*~David >//* >//*Nicolas Grenier wrote: >//* >//*>Do you know Jeskola Buzz? It is a bit like Mulch + a sequencer (tracker >//*like interface), it supports DX and VST and its own machines (there are a >//*lot). www.buzzmachines.com it's free! What are you waiting for!!! And if >//*you log on now, you'll get 2 downloads instead of one! >//*> >//*>David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> a écrit :I agree - if it had >//*this it would be the perfect software! >//*> >//*>~David >//*> >//*>Though the idea of MIDI VST's >//*> >//*>Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >//*> >//*> >//*> >//*>>I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >//*>>Are there plans to develop this? >//*>> >//*>>~Kyle >//*>> >//*>>On 6/9/05, Praemedia >//*>> >//*>> >//*>wrote: >//*> >//*> >//*>> >//*>> >//*>>>>I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >//*>>>>for any kind of audio >//*>>>>production. >//*>>>> >//*>>>> >//*>>>> >//*>>>> >//*>>>Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >//*>>>pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >//*>>>only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >//*>>>Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >//*>>>all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >//*>>>price. >//*>>> >//*>>>cheers. >//*>>> >//*>>>lance >//*>>>www.praemedia.com >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>>__________________________________ >//*>>>Discover Yahoo! >//*>>>Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it >//*out! >//*>>>http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >//*>>> >//*>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >//*>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >//*>>>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >//*>>>website: http://www.microsound.org >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>>> >//*>> >//*>> >//*>> >//*>> >//*> >//*> >//*>Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! >//*> Créez votre Yahoo! 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Fri Jun 10 13:30:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36174-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47194 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:30:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 47183 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:29:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:29:55 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Buzz is one of the most underrated- underappreciated programs out there. I have never had a problem with it. Its sound generators /instruments are on par with Reaktor sound wise IMO. Its well worth the effort to get it running though i have never even heard of anyone having problems with it. Try joining the Buzz mailing list, i am shure the community can get you up and running in no time. aLEKs On Jun 9, 2005, at 6:31 PM, David Powers wrote: > Well I have a laptop running Windoze XP <insert snide comments + > curses of Micro$oft here> - and I was not able to get it to run AT > ALL. Just crashed in a nasty way. > > I'm thinking about using energyXT though, it's cheap and seems to do > what I want - it will act as both VST host and also VSTi, so I could > probably use it to sequence in AudioMulch as well. And it supports > MIDI VST (there are a couple of interesting random ones out there)... > > ~David > > Nicolas Grenier wrote: > >> Do you know Jeskola Buzz? It is a bit like Mulch + a sequencer >> (tracker like interface), it supports DX and VST and its own machines >> (there are a lot). www.buzzmachines.com it's free! What are you >> waiting for!!! And if you log on now, you'll get 2 downloads instead >> of one! >> >> David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> a écrit :I agree - if it >> had this it would be the perfect software! >> >> ~David >> >> Though the idea of MIDI VST's >> >> Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >> >> >>> I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are >>> lacking. Are there plans to develop this? >>> >>> ~Kyle >>> >>> On 6/9/05, Praemedia >> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >>>>> for any kind of audio >>>>> production. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >>>> pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >>>> only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >>>> Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >>>> all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >>>> price. >>>> >>>> cheers. >>>> >>>> lance >>>> www.praemedia.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Discover Yahoo! >>>> Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it >>>> out! >>>> http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout >> ! >> Créez votre Yahoo! 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Fri Jun 10 01:37:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36173-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42586 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:37:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 42576 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:37:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:37:20 +0000 From: Filipe Galante <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ICUBEX? In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [84.9.47.159] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2005 01:37:20.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[F196D520:01C56D5C] Hi there! I´ve just bought an icubex for a sound installation and I´ve been having some problems with it, I wonder if anyone is using this that wannt to share info or if you know for some forum around. Cheers Filipe Galante a.k.a PIXEL82 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 10 00:11:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36172-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14196 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:11:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 14177 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:11:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David Kendall <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You might want to consider using GEM with pure data. Using GEM with Pd on OS X, you should be able to gather whatever control data you might want from a video input. You can then send control information to Max using Open Sound Control, if you want, or simply run audio in Pd. best, David K. > on the subject of using vst as a way of mixing software environments, ive > been making a vst > plugin in Max which does motion-tracking from the desktop (ie there's no > need for jitter -which i > cant afford- you just have a window open with your webcam etc in it on the > desktop and tell the plugin > to look at that window) , and basically i was hoping to use it within PD > as > a control interface , does > anyone know which of the > plugin externals for PD work with A) MacOSX2 (again cant afford to > upgrade) > B) pluggo-style things > and C) non-midi control data output? > > ...vst's seem quite efficient too , and apparently its possible to run PD > as > a plugin, anybody tried that? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Fri Jun 10 00:00:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36171-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9497 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:00:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 9482 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:00:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:00:08 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2005 00:00:08.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D3A8F50:01C56D4F] on the subject of using vst as a way of mixing software environments, ive been making a vst plugin in Max which does motion-tracking from the desktop (ie there's no need for jitter -which i cant afford- you just have a window open with your webcam etc in it on the desktop and tell the plugin to look at that window) , and basically i was hoping to use it within PD as a control interface , does anyone know which of the plugin externals for PD work with A) MacOSX2 (again cant afford to upgrade) B) pluggo-style things and C) non-midi control data output? ....vst's seem quite efficient too , and apparently its possible to run PD as a plugin, anybody tried that? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Thu Jun 9 23:39:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36170-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97473 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:38:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 97460 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:38:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:38:55 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Interface Everything In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 23:38:55.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[66ABBBC0:01C56D4C] my, thats pretty dainty, but why still the pen and the screen? i hope they catch on and you end up with amusing scenarios where business people are paniking as theyve accidentally created some feedback loop between the tiles and theyre mail-bombing themselves with pictures of their livingrooms. -whn (What's that floating in the water?) <br><br><br>>From: "Eloy Anzola" <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx><br>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx><br>>To: "'microsound'" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx><br>>Subject: [microsound] Interface Everything<br>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:59:47 -0400<br>><br>><br>>Sony's new tile interface:<br>><br>>http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/rekimoto/movies/tile2.mpg<br>><br>><br>> -----<br>>xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>>http://groovylab.com/<br>><br>><br>>---------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>>website: http://www.microsound.org<br>><br> _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 22:31:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36169-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65227 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:31:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 65217 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:31:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:31:09 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qIDBv49ZQ/UW++TSNal0iw)" X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qIDBv49ZQ/UW++TSNal0iw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well I have a laptop running Windoze XP <insert snide comments + curses of Micro$oft here> - and I was not able to get it to run AT ALL. Just crashed in a nasty way. I'm thinking about using energyXT though, it's cheap and seems to do what I want - it will act as both VST host and also VSTi, so I could probably use it to sequence in AudioMulch as well. And it supports MIDI VST (there are a couple of interesting random ones out there)... ~David Nicolas Grenier wrote: >Do you know Jeskola Buzz? It is a bit like Mulch + a sequencer (tracker like interface), it supports DX and VST and its own machines (there are a lot). www.buzzmachines.com it's free! What are you waiting for!!! And if you log on now, you'll get 2 downloads instead of one! > >David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> a écrit :I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! > >~David > >Though the idea of MIDI VST's > >Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > > >>I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >>Are there plans to develop this? >> >>~Kyle >> >>On 6/9/05, Praemedia >> >> >wrote: > > >> >> >>>>I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >>>>for any kind of audio >>>>production. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >>>pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >>>only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >>>Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >>>all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >>>price. >>> >>>cheers. >>> >>>lance >>>www.praemedia.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Discover Yahoo! >>>Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >>>http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > >Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://mail.yahoo.fr > > --Boundary_(ID_qIDBv49ZQ/UW++TSNal0iw)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 22:22:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36168-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59517 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:22:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 59507 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:22:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Grenier <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ATylHP3MX/jXfT+FLraByA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ATylHP3MX/jXfT+FLraByA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do you know Jeskola Buzz? It is a bit like Mulch + a sequencer (tracker like interface), it supports DX and VST and its own machines (there are a lot). www.buzzmachines.com it's free! What are you waiting for!!! And if you log on now, you'll get 2 downloads instead of one! David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> a écrit :I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! ~David Though the idea of MIDI VST's Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >Are there plans to develop this? > >~Kyle > >On 6/9/05, Praemedia wrote: > > >>>I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >>>for any kind of audio >>>production. >>> >>> >>Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >>pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >>only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >>Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >>all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >>price. >> >>cheers. >> >>lance >>www.praemedia.com >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Discover Yahoo! >>Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >>http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> > > > > Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://mail.yahoo.fr --Boundary_(ID_ATylHP3MX/jXfT+FLraByA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 21:55:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36167-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47606 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:55:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 47595 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:55:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:55:30 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Doh, i cut my response in half and the latter part went unoticed, sorry about that. It should have read... aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: Thats really too bad as i have seen some really great live performances using Audio mulch. Ugh. The strength of VST is being able to use components from different software suites together. I think i would never even touch Fruityloops if i could not trigger Reaktor ensembles in it, or Buzz generators, or any of the great vst components that can be found on the web. Being able to use the best aspect of several different programs in real time to compose your work, or sketch out ideas is invaluable to me. I think Audio Mulch would be nearly unstoppable if it could this. I know i would use the heck out of it. As someone asked previously, anyone know of any plans in reagrds to a vst compliant sequencer of sorts for audio mulch? Cheers aLEKs On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Brian Klein wrote: > its vst implementation is kind of limited. since there is no way to > trigger or represent notation with vst's, you can't use vsti's > properly. it excels at vst effects though. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 21:34:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36166-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37051 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:34:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 37041 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:34:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SrEdvKBjBUu0vj/IqewsnA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HkFvzO1tA11sMlUt0Y+f8oXScU+Wt+h5+r33rksEpnY3/E27mVwHoNIbx7+sk1c2Er/EiwEepV4JONMiiGYgmkU5aAr84yfHhcE6oeGlik3LpP3hyhp8/eWIH8aHBYlJTLassJqSb2vIYGzqUPfZIr12Ju3lOOOVHVV9RYL3kHs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_SrEdvKBjBUu0vj/IqewsnA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually i left out the fact that you can use a midi controller to play notes with vsti's, just no sequencing/automation. you might be able to record a keyboard performance and automate it, but i don't have a midi keyboard connected to my computer. aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: Thats really too bad as i have seen some really great live performances using Audio mulch. On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Brian Klein wrote: > its vst implementation is kind of limited. since there is no way to > trigger or represent notation with vst's, you can't use vsti's > properly. it excels at vst effects though. > Ugh. The strength of VST is being able to use components from different software suites together. I think i would never even touch Fruityloops if i could not trigger Reaktor ensembles in it, or Buzz generators, or any of the great vst components that can be found on the web. Being able to use the best aspect of several different programs in real time to compose your work, or sketch out ideas is invaluable to me. I think Audio Mulch would be nearly unstoppable if it could this. I know i would use the heck out of it. As someone asked previously, anyone know of any plans in reagrds to a vst compliant sequencer of sorts for audio mulch? Cheers aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_SrEdvKBjBUu0vj/IqewsnA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 21:32:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36165-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35166 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:32:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 35156 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:32:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:29:04 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thats really too bad as i have seen some really great live performances using Audio mulch. On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Brian Klein wrote: > its vst implementation is kind of limited. since there is no way to > trigger or represent notation with vst's, you can't use vsti's > properly. it excels at vst effects though. > Ugh. The strength of VST is being able to use components from different software suites together. I think i would never even touch Fruityloops if i could not trigger Reaktor ensembles in it, or Buzz generators, or any of the great vst components that can be found on the web. Being able to use the best aspect of several different programs in real time to compose your work, or sketch out ideas is invaluable to me. I think Audio Mulch would be nearly unstoppable if it could this. I know i would use the heck out of it. As someone asked previously, anyone know of any plans in reagrds to a vst compliant sequencer of sorts for audio mulch? Cheers aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.201] X-Sender: xxxxxx_xx@xxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0gY3jpYO0bITsy3C3psfkQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxx_xx@xxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 20:48:01.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[86EE0540:01C56D34] --Boundary_(ID_0gY3jpYO0bITsy3C3psfkQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: scant intone Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:25 PM To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] RE: MicroKorg users wanted.. Hi Adam, I'd be down for that challenge... keep me posted on the details. --Original Message-- Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:25:56 -0400 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: MicroKorg users wanted.. Hi folk.. I'm thinking about putting together an album for Robotopera featuring use of the microKorg exclusively as a challenge. If you own/have access to one (or 5 ;) ), and would be interested in participating, please let me know. If there is enough interest, I'll work out some guidelines with the rest of the Robotopera crew. Thanks. -adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org i could do this...sounds fun --Boundary_(ID_0gY3jpYO0bITsy3C3psfkQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 20:39:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36162-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9093 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:39:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 9083 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:39:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wW5lON22WVke2J9GUsaKog)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GIdn250MGilYmfxpFcxce1YjPDRiSLGtOotjfZ7JVFijI6aCfAKAcQZ3Y9nAmAFClrrArXKs38IpaO80MLEZsNULhJmc8iQNBaWHtVhfEEl6ni2pcBKQhfJJs1ogJvKyuC2VZtFl0CRyotmAqN5MHRK3ZqfryoMYprqdm2UHJpM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_wW5lON22WVke2J9GUsaKog) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit its vst implementation is kind of limited. since there is no way to trigger or represent notation with vst's, you can't use vsti's properly. it excels at vst effects though. aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote:You cant host a sequencer via vst in audio mulch to trigger whatever sound generator/instrument you are using? I have only messed around with Audio mulch a while back but i could have sworn that it was VST compliant. aLEKs On Jun 9, 2005, at 3:05 PM, David Powers wrote: > I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! > > ~David > > Though the idea of MIDI VST's > > Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >> Are there plans to develop this? >> >> ~Kyle >> >> On 6/9/05, Praemedia wrote: >> >>>> I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >>>> for any kind of audio >>>> production. >>>> >>> Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >>> pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >>> only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >>> Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >>> all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >>> price. >>> >>> cheers. >>> >>> lance >>> www.praemedia.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Discover Yahoo! >>> Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it >>> out! >>> http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --Boundary_(ID_wW5lON22WVke2J9GUsaKog)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 19:45:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36161-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84212 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:45:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 84201 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:45:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:45:24 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You cant host a sequencer via vst in audio mulch to trigger whatever sound generator/instrument you are using? I have only messed around with Audio mulch a while back but i could have sworn that it was VST compliant. aLEKs On Jun 9, 2005, at 3:05 PM, David Powers wrote: > I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! > > ~David > > Though the idea of MIDI VST's > > Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >> Are there plans to develop this? >> >> ~Kyle >> >> On 6/9/05, Praemedia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >>>> I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >>>> for any kind of audio >>>> production. >>>> >>> Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >>> pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >>> only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >>> Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >>> all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >>> price. >>> >>> cheers. >>> >>> lance >>> www.praemedia.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Discover Yahoo! >>> Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it >>> out! >>> http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 19:05:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36160-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65629 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:05:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 65618 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:05:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:05:38 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YsHg1WGLPpJVmXPVL3TQPA)" X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YsHg1WGLPpJVmXPVL3TQPA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree - if it had this it would be the perfect software! ~David Though the idea of MIDI VST's Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. >Are there plans to develop this? > >~Kyle > >On 6/9/05, Praemedia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > >>>I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool >>>for any kind of audio >>>production. >>> >>> >>Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. >>pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the >>only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. >>Still one of the better tools out there and I use it >>all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the >>price. >> >>cheers. >> >>lance >>www.praemedia.com >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Discover Yahoo! >>Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >>http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> > > > > --Boundary_(ID_YsHg1WGLPpJVmXPVL3TQPA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 18:47:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36159-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57281 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:47:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 57270 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:47:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:47:27 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VGXBSGCEStbS/10fI2d0pQWoIZFldrFvN39wFjFWU20dBqTNOiH78QqM8KTfzZtCWHNE20mVghOtPdNjE8AXd2uxQFUco9i4isI9jXBnWU6hr/J8vLkTYoaNHKb/hq+pBgzsp1ewNFQC8P/XEMp/cT1h2kAj5lIgBgKWf7kaqb4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree that Audiomulch great, but sequencing structures are lacking. Are there plans to develop this? ~Kyle On 6/9/05, Praemedia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool > > for any kind of audio > > production. > > Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. > pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the > only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. > Still one of the better tools out there and I use it > all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the > price. > > cheers. > > lance > www.praemedia.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 18:25:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36158-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44195 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:25:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 44185 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:25:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:25:49 -0400 From: scant intone <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] RE: MicroKorg users wanted.. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.201] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2005 18:25:49.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9672F20:01C56D20] Hi Adam, I'd be down for that challenge... keep me posted on the details. --Original Message-- Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:25:56 -0400 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: MicroKorg users wanted.. Hi folk.. I'm thinking about putting together an album for Robotopera featuring use of the microKorg exclusively as a challenge. If you own/have access to one (or 5 ;) ), and would be interested in participating, please let me know. If there is enough interest, I'll work out some guidelines with the rest of the Robotopera crew. Thanks. -adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 17:06:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36157-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93632 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:05:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 93621 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:05:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Praemedia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zfKESsWIwXu6n1M9bw9Af6zZqjSaSW6T2IaxBYib3Ym3KGfNfSPCoKVJ1nq/txjnRMSYolHWfrRKjRJ4vOMRe4P5XkQ/ApHuMdS8dcqdUMy1HYRTDXHyIt+bWtjqADhLUJrVfOilwENY5YQs3z3orxFYHl/lnMv2qfaHB4aWqEA= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool > for any kind of audio > production. Ditto. Been using it for four or five years now. pre-abelton and pre-max/msp on PC, it was really the only stable program for manupilating LIVE audio on PC. Still one of the better tools out there and I use it all the time. Highly recommended, especially at the price. cheers. lance www.praemedia.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 17:01:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36156-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91000 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:01:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 90988 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:01:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LOjnRvGFmgsmtDrEnVSyuxmBYtP72qcQARESZGv5kSvKfQfiTKFXf4+Eb+sdGtLcfNmPPDk4/6esdJ8oOzr0TDyBPnA6WMvs384YIjh4U5qFYEIPomsilKJU6QeGi3uIIcgQnX+iDNO1EnOExqybaMIQnPi6L6v4AGJQ1cXUSJM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've used mulch for years, it's an excellent tool for any kind of audio production. The mailing list for mulch has been very active lately, and Ross has been releasing updates regularly with some wonderful new additions. Regarding guitar-based music, I love Raphael Toral's work a lot, probably my favorite is 'Electric Babyland'. Love that Fennesz track w/ David Sylvian on vocals too. Also love the work of Sunn0))), Roy Montgomery, Windy & Carl, and, of course Spacemen 3. >I would argue that mr. toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, >and keith fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and >intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until recently, in my own >work, guitar playing and digital signal processing remained discrete >practices. But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am now >attempting to find something that works utilizing both tools. Anybody >else here a user of audiomulch? __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. 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Thu Jun 9 16:51:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36155-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86062 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:51:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 86044 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:51:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tastes like microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dm9Fg2wz4Msm/mDQU+V8YsYcbXVCKwa7vkNpRTMhoCnT7f42ObzW+cYRVtz+VRRXdoRuLD4CzzMRsaRTkzQQ1ncdzSZARl0T5mYi/KRwUA+m5OUOP/r+nWkRYYYRSnOIWYBtSJ792b2knSOvU9kXfoKQW+pDjEFMExME38NbDy4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i like that new song by gwen stefani and ferrel<sp?> Bananas >?< w t f ? so catchy, and rascist.? really. nice production. and conceptually fills a void in pop music. remember that song, "oh mickey " from the 80's. this tune is basically analagous to that. and that tune gave us a wonderful pop moment. this bananas song however, is painfull to listen to, and touches on some controversial topics. teen sex. penis', a.k.a bananas, and black people's music being co-opted/performed by white people. it's very complex. i'm telling you. map station is good too. --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Iron and Wine is great, but so is Pig Destroyer! :) > I think many > people on this list have very diverse listening > tastes. I think its > super... > > > aLEKs > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Mr.D wrote: > > > it fascinates me how people with such > > wide tastes find a connection to > > microsound. certainly these tastes > > would influence any one person's > > approach to creating it. with that in > > mind, i wonder how it works the other > > way around... > > > > (i prefer something like iron & wine > > over a. & the j., which i found heart-felt but a > little boring.) > > ___ > > http://craque.net > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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Thu Jun 9 16:33:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36154-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77616 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:33:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 77605 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:33:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:33:34 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tastes like microsound In-reply-to: <314-SnapperMsgF4585520BECE0063@[70.6.81.121]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx.xx> <009601c56c00$1396b1d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <314-SnapperMsgF4585520BECE0063@[70.6.81.121]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Iron and Wine is great, but so is Pig Destroyer! :) I think many people on this list have very diverse listening tastes. I think its super... aLEKs On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Mr.D wrote: > it fascinates me how people with such > wide tastes find a connection to > microsound. certainly these tastes > would influence any one person's > approach to creating it. with that in > mind, i wonder how it works the other > way around... > > (i prefer something like iron & wine > over a. & the j., which i found heart-felt but a little boring.) > ___ > http://craque.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 14:19:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36153-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4242 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:19:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 4232 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:19:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:17:42 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] tastes like microsound In-reply-to: <009601c56c00$1396b1d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <314-SnapperMsgF4585520BECE0063@[70.6.81.121]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx.xx> <009601c56c00$1396b1d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it fascinates me how people with such wide tastes find a connection to microsound. certainly these tastes would influence any one person's approach to creating it. with that in mind, i wonder how it works the other way around... (i prefer something like iron & wine over a. & the j., which i found heart-felt but a little boring.) ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 12:42:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36152-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66363 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:42:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 66353 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:42:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:45:06 +0200 From: snaut <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tape loop question In-reply-to: <R02010100-1038-83E28BABD7FC11D98486000D933B19D8@[10.0.1.2]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Organization: feedback club MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en,de Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <R02010100-1038-83E28BABD7FC11D98486000D933B19D8@[10.0.1.2]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hey stefan i've once made a tape loop installation with two revox a77 over a distance of 40 meters. as far as i remember it was surprisingly easy to set up and tighten the tape and i think it should also be possible over longer distances. the main problem was the collected dust on the tape so i had to clean it every day and after a week or so i had to change the tape. i'll happily answer more specific questions auch auf deutsch grüsse dani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 9 00:57:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36151-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5041 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:57:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 5031 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:57:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Kamerman <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Rafael Toral (formerly oren ambarchi stuffs) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ah6HKZc4LI0eLyg/hn0ieQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IGAj7rIIGrm53abpHjhaqD0enjzhEqu0mKiyznEgQshg7bE24g7L3jaSyaBudzV3kLNVoUWni0ljT/XtpY7k3TQoedDCsnclwEJCJPyhpuKJ0bSTbA2IDiCTpm3ySBRtDEbAmI8M/qxq7ocl08LdVPdtrLzUajBWiCsq+ZTUbqk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Ah6HKZc4LI0eLyg/hn0ieQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm talking from memory here since I'm on a different computer than my copy of Live so hopefully I don't say something that's just ever so slightly off such that it leads to more confusion than it helps but here goes. First of all, I usually record myself to another external piece of hardware but I get ableton to output the input I'm giving it by setting one of the channels to whatever sound card it's plugged into and then telling it to turn on the audio monitor right in that same main panel (default is "auto" which seems synonymous with off). Sounds simple but I understand where you're coming from. Took me a while to find the setting too. I've had mixed results with using Ableton itself to record but when it works, all it seems to take is arming the channel you want to record and hitting the record and play buttons up top. Good luck. -R. jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: richard, if you don't mind the question, how do you get ableton to record the live input from microphone? i've done every imaginable setting change. i must be missing something really basic...please advise thanks, jeff --- Richard Kamerman wrote: > I've actually heard very little of Toral's output. > Only album I own is "Aeriola Frequency". > > But I managed to catch a performance this past year > and he didn't even pick up his guitar. It was all > homemade electronics. Didn't have the guts to go up > and ask him about the equipment though. > > On the topic of electric guitar/computer interfaces, > I've been having great sucess using Ableton Live as > a signal processing tool. > > -R. > > xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore > the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this > list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I > personally think that "the violence of discovery, > calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem to > recall some discussion of the > ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" > on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. > toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith > fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and > intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until > recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital > signal processing remained discrete practices. > But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am > now attempting to find something that works > utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of > audiomulch? > > > > hi there, > > > > i know many of you will think this is a lame > question (and i'm inclined > > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what > kind of equipment > > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos > that he uses some > > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm > not trying to > > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by > curiosity! > > > > best wishes to each and all, > > jon. > > > > > > --- > > www.dizzydonor.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > "Yesterday is history. > Tomorrow is a mystery. > And today? Today is a gift. > That's why we call it the present." > > - Babatunde Olatunji - > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! --Boundary_(ID_Ah6HKZc4LI0eLyg/hn0ieQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 22:26:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36150-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51492 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:26:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 51480 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:26:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:25:56 -0400 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] MicroKorg users wanted.. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BECCE8B4.4A9C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi folk.. I¹m thinking about putting together an album for Robotopera featuring use of the microKorg exclusively as a challenge. If you own/have access to one (or 5 ;) ), and would be interested in participating, please let me know. If there is enough interest, I¹ll work out some guidelines with the rest of the Robotopera crew. Thanks. -adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 19:37:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36149-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67316 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:37:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 67306 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:37:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Rafael Toral (formerly oren ambarchi stuffs) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=weE9BkX6TzHGG/+1cC+E2a1i2HmhVgeipkwMCTysvZYOn6s9g3763KBirLq1oaX7uLhgDopnOsZvzJLao7CiYlZxHzo6qLSz/+6UUsVG6WAwOUouwYntd5dA4hocdRH86kfs0itRRp939lzhp54z633SHjIcPEhCVz9aMk3dMgo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx richard, if you don't mind the question, how do you get ableton to record the live input from microphone? i've done every imaginable setting change. i must be missing something really basic...please advise thanks, jeff --- Richard Kamerman <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I've actually heard very little of Toral's output. > Only album I own is "Aeriola Frequency". > > But I managed to catch a performance this past year > and he didn't even pick up his guitar. It was all > homemade electronics. Didn't have the guts to go up > and ask him about the equipment though. > > On the topic of electric guitar/computer interfaces, > I've been having great sucess using Ableton Live as > a signal processing tool. > > -R. > > xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore > the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this > list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I > personally think that "the violence of discovery, > calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem to > recall some discussion of the > ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" > on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. > toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith > fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and > intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until > recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital > signal processing remained discrete practices. > But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am > now attempting to find something that works > utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of > audiomulch? > > > > hi there, > > > > i know many of you will think this is a lame > question (and i'm inclined > > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what > kind of equipment > > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos > that he uses some > > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm > not trying to > > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by > curiosity! > > > > best wishes to each and all, > > jon. > > > > > > --- > > www.dizzydonor.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > "Yesterday is history. > Tomorrow is a mystery. > And today? Today is a gift. > That's why we call it the present." > > - Babatunde Olatunji - > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 18:03:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36148-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16876 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:03:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 16863 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:03:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:03:00 +0100 From: ". m u r m e r ." <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tape loop question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, stephan mathieu <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <023501c56c54$4f057ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <R02010100-1038-83E28BABD7FC11D98486000D933B19D8@[10.0.1.2]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi again stephan, > i'm currently working on an installation piece and want to work with a > tape loop of 210 meters length. > i'd be very happy to hear your thoughts/expierience on how to set up such > a beast. any pointers are very much appreaciated. i've worked with some long tape loops (although not that long) on an old copicat tape delay - we set them up with a series of small guiding rollers/bobbins on a sheet of plywood, so that the tape loop zig-zagged back and forth (like a sort of pulley system). each bend of the loop requires 2 rollers, one for the outgoing point of the loop and one for the incoming, and the loop is angled around the roller. hard to explain without a diagram, but maybe you get the idea. as long as the rollers are well oiled and your drive motor is powerful enough to pull that length of tape, you should be able to set up a similar system over a larger space (a wall, say). if that really doesn't make any sense (and i suspect it doesn't), let me know, and i'll see if i can work out some kind of diagram for you... patrick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 15:22:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36147-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37353 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:22:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 37341 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:22:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Kamerman <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Rafael Toral (formerly oren ambarchi stuffs) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xGytUN/T0DHS9JLaRcC57g)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TOZcC3n4BRmrZXlQ3u+OgcvA3dLNkUGXgYk4evzA4N0k9iWPywQF8rYxedWbA2pEIC894nMJZ8G6d7pIT4vx0h3XFvTEtU6NXUEkwCry8BmlZouUEaZQXWSgguiHiMIDoHgPPla/ZvtZjHnrpUbB4kSFqIeiOib8K9JT0Y2UFgo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_xGytUN/T0DHS9JLaRcC57g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've actually heard very little of Toral's output. Only album I own is "Aeriola Frequency". But I managed to catch a performance this past year and he didn't even pick up his guitar. It was all homemade electronics. Didn't have the guts to go up and ask him about the equipment though. On the topic of electric guitar/computer interfaces, I've been having great sucess using Ableton Live as a signal processing tool. -R. xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I personally think that "the violence of discovery, calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem to recall some discussion of the ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital signal processing remained discrete practices. But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am now attempting to find something that works utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of audiomulch? > hi there, > > i know many of you will think this is a lame question (and i'm inclined > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what kind of equipment > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos that he uses some > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm not trying to > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by curiosity! > > best wishes to each and all, > jon. > > > --- > www.dizzydonor.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_xGytUN/T0DHS9JLaRcC57g)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 14:35:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36146-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4894 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:35:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 4884 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:35:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LtkkoBy129nE7w4XR1Va7je86SJ5SBgq+cjvVLuft5XbdvwbyRd3kSNc0YD9AAkqtfun8xMy3PPYi+bMMaDCVIie1qhkwAtQjLdJMpznUp00pUwizcTP6bF2HxEdGkyCUpyRCQvV2qY9+vzDmX6J0L5SqnxC0VWSL1rNvCHZCS8= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i like oren's work generally. and i like that gear stands out in the open. a lot of what we do depends on what we can afford and how far we will tweak it. the rafael toral i have heard did not seem to use effects or computers much. i have to admit i don't understand the massive popularity of mr. fennesz however. i have the so-called "field recordings" but find it mostly to sound a lot like the grizzly fizzly drizzly stuff i have made with guitar & computer in the first moments that i don't find very interesting. (which is not to say i haven't had some breakthroughs in the past months...) --- xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore > the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this > list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I > personally think that "the violence of discovery, > calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem > to recall some discussion of the > ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" > on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. > toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith > fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and > intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until > recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital > signal processing remained discrete practices. > But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am > now attempting to find something that works > utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of > audiomulch? > > > > hi there, > > > > i know many of you will think this is a lame > question (and i'm inclined > > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what > kind of equipment > > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos > that he uses some > > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, > i'm not trying to > > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by > curiosity! > > > > best wishes to each and all, > > jon. > > > > > > --- > > www.dizzydonor.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 13:37:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36145-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75601 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:37:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 75580 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:37:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:36:01 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BECCC0E1.770%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server17.hostpoint.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - synchron.ch X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i agree with the your comments about the work of rafael toral. some very, very nice work! Am 8.6.2005 15:31 Uhr schrieb "xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx" unter <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore the opportunity to inquire > if anybody else on this list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I > personally think that "the violence of discovery, calm of acceptance" is a > brilliant record. I seem to recall some discussion of the > ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" on this list some time ago. > I would argue that mr. toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith > fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and intellectually engaging at > the same time. Up until recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital > signal processing remained discrete practices. > But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am now attempting to find > something that works utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of > audiomulch? > > >> hi there, >> >> i know many of you will think this is a lame question (and i'm inclined >> in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what kind of equipment >> oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos that he uses some >> homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm not trying to >> emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by curiosity! >> >> best wishes to each and all, >> jon. >> >> >> --- >> www.dizzydonor.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 13:31:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36144-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71321 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:31:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 71311 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:31:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:31:44 +0000 From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated-Sender: bWh3cnBjQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx with the mention of oren ambarchi, i can't ignore the opportunity to inquire if anybody else on this list is taken by the work of rafael toral? I personally think that "the violence of discovery, calm of acceptance" is a brilliant record. I seem to recall some discussion of the ephemerality/desirability/subjectivity of "beauty" on this list some time ago. I would argue that mr. toral's work, as well as that of fennesz, and keith fullerton whitman, manages to be "beautiful" and intellectually engaging at the same time. Up until recently, in my own work, guitar playing and digital signal processing remained discrete practices. But, recently, I purchased a new sound card and I am now attempting to find something that works utilizing both tools. Anybody else here a user of audiomulch? > hi there, > > i know many of you will think this is a lame question (and i'm inclined > in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what kind of equipment > oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos that he uses some > homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm not trying to > emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by curiosity! > > best wishes to each and all, > jon. > > > --- > www.dizzydonor.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 09:06:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36143-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82559 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:06:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 82549 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:06:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:05:52 +0200 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] tape loop question To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1038-83E28BABD7FC11D98486000D933B19D8@[10.0.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello, i'm currently working on an installation piece and want to work with a tape loop of 210 meters length. i'd be very happy to hear your thoughts/expierience on how to set up such a beast. any pointers are very much appreaciated. please (also) reply to me at xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx as i'm in digest mode. thank you - stephan |--- -- | --- | - -| || www.bitsteam.de ... is currently under construction --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 08:02:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36142-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56419 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:02:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 56408 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:02:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:00:02 +0200 From: vel net site <xxxx@xxx-xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <009601c56c00$1396b1d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it is beautiful that this list speaks of an artist that is not "electronic" at all! this can mean that it is not necessary to make distinctions among electronic and not electronic. as someone has said, the whole music is electronic. one dear friend of mine that I esteem and of which have lately produced a job when he listened to antony he has told me that it was an old thing and that it would have gladly burnt the cd if had not been mine! from this I understand that is not certain it objectifies the artistic quality of antony. but I recommend the listening to everybody the microsounders however, because if you gather his strength you will get a very positive nourishment for your soul. luv jil > hello list > > when i was young i've spent all my whole times to listen emotional-traditional-"dark" > or gothic music, now antony imo is a cheap example of commercial emotions, > btw this's only a personal opinion. > > best > gianluca foglino > > > > > > http://smbp.it > > > > > > >-- Messaggio originale -- > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:24:07 +0200 > >From: steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > > > > > >well, i don't agree. only because he's using his voice doesn't necessarily > >mean he is in contact with emotions. i see and hear a lot of very emotional > >stuff in the electronic area and mostly without any voices. or at least > >stuff that i myself would consider emotional... > > > >does that mean, that only a singer can be in contact with his emotions? > >ralph. > > > > > >Am 8.6.2005 5:01 Uhr schrieb "Yatra Arts" unter <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx>: > > > >> if you say so > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: vel net site > >> To: microsound > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:58 PM > >> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > >> > >> > >> no no no > >> every comparison is defective > >> antony is great not for the music that does > >> or because its voice resembles to some other voice > >> but because it is indeed an artist in contact with the emotions.... > a > >> rarity. > >> it is the von trier of the pop music. I hope that he maintain for a > long > >> time this miraculous ability. > >> excuse me for the bad use of your language > >> jil > >> > >> > >> actually Fine Young Cannibals come to mind > >> > >> > >> Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's > >> become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? > >> > >> Give me a break. > >> > >> JPW > >> > >> > >> On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > >> > >>> Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> ----------------- > >> Jair-Rohm Parker Wells > >> "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" > >> Glass Thought Communications > >> Tel. +46 768 700976 > >> http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > >-- > >http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 07:43:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36141-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51145 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:43:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 51135 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:43:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:43:27 +0200 From: xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson In-reply-to: <BECC69B7.74B%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> X-Originating-IP: 213.156.55.252 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello list when i was young i've spent all my whole times to listen emotional-traditional-"dark" or gothic music, now antony imo is a cheap example of commercial emotions, btw this's only a personal opinion. best gianluca foglino http://smbp.it >-- Messaggio originale -- >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:24:07 +0200 >From: steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > > >well, i don't agree. only because he's using his voice doesn't necessarily >mean he is in contact with emotions. i see and hear a lot of very emotional >stuff in the electronic area and mostly without any voices. or at least >stuff that i myself would consider emotional... > >does that mean, that only a singer can be in contact with his emotions? >ralph. > > >Am 8.6.2005 5:01 Uhr schrieb "Yatra Arts" unter <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx>: > >> if you say so >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: vel net site >> To: microsound >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson >> >> >> no no no >> every comparison is defective >> antony is great not for the music that does >> or because its voice resembles to some other voice >> but because it is indeed an artist in contact with the emotions.... a >> rarity. >> it is the von trier of the pop music. I hope that he maintain for a long >> time this miraculous ability. >> excuse me for the bad use of your language >> jil >> >> >> actually Fine Young Cannibals come to mind >> >> >> Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's >> become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? >> >> Give me a break. >> >> JPW >> >> >> On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: >> >>> Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ----------------- >> Jair-Rohm Parker Wells >> "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" >> Glass Thought Communications >> Tel. +46 768 700976 >> http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >-- >http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 07:28:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36140-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46033 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:27:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 46006 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:27:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:26:41 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnsons In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx.x.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BECC6A51.74C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server17.hostpoint.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - synchron.ch X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i 100% agree. i was trying to say something similar in my last posting. ralph. Am 8.6.2005 7:54 Uhr schrieb "xxxxx@xxxx.xxx" unter <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx>: >> Personally Stephan, I find some of work to be more beautiful and >> moving than this Antony track. > > Ahem... I meant to say, "some of YOUR work"... :-> > > Best, Dale > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 07:25:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36139-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44285 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:25:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 44267 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:25:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:24:07 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson In-reply-to: <00e801c56bd6$59059a80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BECC69B7.74B%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server17.hostpoint.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - synchron.ch X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well, i don't agree. only because he's using his voice doesn't necessarily mean he is in contact with emotions. i see and hear a lot of very emotional stuff in the electronic area and mostly without any voices. or at least stuff that i myself would consider emotional... does that mean, that only a singer can be in contact with his emotions? ralph. Am 8.6.2005 5:01 Uhr schrieb "Yatra Arts" unter <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx>: > if you say so > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vel net site > To: microsound > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > > > no no no > every comparison is defective > antony is great not for the music that does > or because its voice resembles to some other voice > but because it is indeed an artist in contact with the emotions.... a > rarity. > it is the von trier of the pop music. I hope that he maintain for a long > time this miraculous ability. > excuse me for the bad use of your language > jil > > > actually Fine Young Cannibals come to mind > > > Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's > become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? > > Give me a break. > > JPW > > > On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > >> Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------- > Jair-Rohm Parker Wells > "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" > Glass Thought Communications > Tel. +46 768 700976 > http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 05:56:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36138-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21559 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:56:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 21549 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:56:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:54:00 -0700 From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnsons To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx.x.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvWrRMKESclcL7URkvik0Jw6XdDvfAl5QSw== X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1423297302 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m12.nyc.untd.com|xxxxx@xxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Personally Stephan, I find some of work to be more beautiful and > moving than this Antony track. Ahem... I meant to say, "some of YOUR work"... :-> Best, Dale --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 03:17:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36137-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70804 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:16:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 70794 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:16:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:16:05 -0700 From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnsons To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20050607.201622.540.7.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvXXdOelGsozMcUM574n05JklOY5LGyZIUg== X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2903980991 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m12.nyc.untd.com|xxxxx@xxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6,8-9,11-14,16,18-21,23-24,26,28,30,32-34 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx First, I do not intend to belittle this artist's work with my commentary, but I had a strange reaction when I heard the first minute of this track. It seemed to try to stir a certain emotion for a brief moment, but it was quickly extinguished as I suddenly recalled reading all of the fawning press praise for this artist, which almost seemed intended to condition the listener to react a certain way upon hearing the music for the first time. My point is that I found it interesting how I seemed to have had a certain expectation of what I was going to feel/hear before actually hearing it, based on the press and promotional info I read beforehand. So, I felt that my brief emotional reaction was due largely to something other than the music. As the song continued, I kept trying to find something that set this apart from a lot of other music of a similar ilk, as well as regain that one brief moment I had experienced before. But to no avail. Personally Stephan, I find some of work to be more beautiful and moving than this Antony track. And without press releases trying to subconsciously condition me to think and feel this way. ;-) But I appreciate the posting of the link, because when the Antony show came to Seattle, I couldn't attend due in part because the ticket prices were high and because I only wanted to see William Basinski's solo set, which I heard later seemed a bit watered down due to the billing he was a part of. "Basinski-lite". Oh well. Cheers, Dale --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 03:02:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36136-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65204 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:01:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 65194 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:01:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:01:20 -0400 From: Yatra Arts <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00e801c56bd6$59059a80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YElWb6qXvYvYGJe98pHD7Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <00d001c56bd4$1d4e80d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <020401c56bd5$e55339d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YElWb6qXvYvYGJe98pHD7Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you say so ----- Original Message ----- From: vel net site To: microsound Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson no no no every comparison is defective antony is great not for the music that does or because its voice resembles to some other voice but because it is indeed an artist in contact with the emotions.... a rarity. it is the von trier of the pop music. I hope that he maintain for a long time this miraculous ability. excuse me for the bad use of your language jil actually Fine Young Cannibals come to mind Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? Give me a break. JPW On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" Glass Thought Communications Tel. +46 768 700976 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_YElWb6qXvYvYGJe98pHD7Q)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 03:01:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36135-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63897 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:00:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 63884 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:00:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:58:06 +0200 From: vel net site <xxxx@xxx-xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <020401c56bd5$e55339d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <00d001c56bd4$1d4e80d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx no no no every comparison is defective antony is great not for the music that does or because its voice resembles to some other voice but because it is indeed an artist in contact with the emotions.... a rarity. it is the von trier of the pop music. I hope that he maintain for a long time this miraculous ability. excuse me for the bad use of your language jil actually Fine Young Cannibals come to mind Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? Give me a break. JPW On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" Glass Thought Communications Tel. +46 768 700976 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 02:45:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36134-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55602 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:45:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 55590 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:45:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:45:21 -0400 From: Yatra Arts <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00d001c56bd4$1d4e80d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GF0AwpwhAiXKS8v0LI8RgA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GF0AwpwhAiXKS8v0LI8RgA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually Fine Young Cannibals come to mind ----- Original Message ----- From: Jair-Rohm To: microsound Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? Give me a break. JPW On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" Glass Thought Communications Tel. +46 768 700976 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_GF0AwpwhAiXKS8v0LI8RgA)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 02:38:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36133-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51378 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:37:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 51363 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:37:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:37:34 +0200 From: Jair-Rohm <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sounds like a cross between Elvis and the Beatles. Is this what's become of the youth of today? Is this the result of "the revolution"? Give me a break. JPW On Jun 7, 2005, at 19:25, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Jair-Rohm Parker Wells "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" Glass Thought Communications Tel. +46 768 700976 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 00:39:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36132-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4685 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:39:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 4675 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:38:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:39:03 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Stockhausen [was: Re: microsound Digest 7] In-reply-to: <001f01c56bb6$ccc85c70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001f01c56bb6$ccc85c70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks for the link! aLEKs On Jun 7, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote: > Here's a pretty long comment on this subject: > http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/cardew.html > (Cardew's book Stockhausen serves imperialism) > > /Björn > >>> Dont get me wrong, i have respect for the man, just such a pompous >>> statement requires a commentary...erm.. of sorts... >>> >>> aLEKs > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 8 00:37:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36131-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2888 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:36:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 2876 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:36:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:36:40 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 7 Jun 2005 17:25:44 -0000 Issue 1427 In-reply-to: <l03130300becbd56e1ae8@[213.84.105.55]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <l03130300becbd56e1ae8@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx LOL! On Jun 7, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> the helicopter quartet? what a bunch of crap. > -Not according to the helicopter-pilot. > But then again, he was wearing his regular head-phone anyway. > So he might have been spared... > > AvS > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + > > ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | > | http://www.schreck.nl/ | > | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | > ` *===========================================================++ > ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | > ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | > ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | > ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | > > ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | > > *===========================================================++ > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 23:47:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36130-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82821 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:47:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 82810 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:47:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:47:07 +0200 (CEST) From: "D. MORATILLA" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] iPod Raped the Rapists who Raped My Village To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi Interesting articles on ZEHAR magazine check this url: http://www.arteleku.net the numbers 55 and 53 very interesting see you sorry for crossposting D. Moratilla xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Games Addiction ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 23:12:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36129-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67974 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:12:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 67964 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:12:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:15:29 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Stockhausen [was: Re: microsound Digest 7] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001f01c56bb6$ccc85c70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here's a pretty long comment on this subject: http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/cardew.html (Cardew's book Stockhausen serves imperialism) /Björn >> Dont get me wrong, i have respect for the man, just such a pompous >> statement requires a commentary...erm.. of sorts... >> >> aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 22:53:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36128-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59490 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:53:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 59472 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:53:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:53:40 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 7 Jun 2005 17:25:44 -0000 Issue 1427 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300becbd56e1ae8@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >the helicopter quartet? what a bunch of crap. -Not according to the helicopter-pilot. But then again, he was wearing his regular head-phone anyway. So he might have been spared... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 22:47:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36127-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56381 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:47:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 56371 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:47:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:47:27 -0500 From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 7 Jun 2005 17:25:44 -0000 Issue 1427 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 206.106.120.18 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx if I remember correctly, Stockhausen actually called Ives an amateur at one point in a conversation with Feldman. pretty ridiculous really. and anyway, the helicopter quartet? what a bunch of crap. > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:46:59 -0400 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 > Issue 1425 > Message-Id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> > > Does one need to be a trained musician to appreciate Stockhausen? To > listen to his music? > > What a pompous statement! Like music is some kind of higher learning, > Something that only the elite can grasp. > > Most Music is predicated by a set of rules, learning music theory does > not make one a great musician. Talent and thought process/attitude is > just as important. > > Also What about all the great self taught musicians? Blues anyone? > Jazz? Many of the greats were self taught, and the blazed a path of > innovation, as opposed to following the rut that academia aften throws > the creative sole into. > > Dont get me wrong, i have respect for the man, just such a pompous > statement requires a commentary...erm.. of sorts... > > aLEKs > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 21:23:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36126-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22136 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:22:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 22126 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:22:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:22:58 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] open source/ open ear In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wow, that is really super. Ill be in Chitown soon so i cant wait to check the place out. Maybe will have enough time for a submission for the event! Cheers aLEKs On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Timothy Ivison wrote: > about the space: > “Mess Hall is an open resource based in Chicago. It offers meals, a > printed matter reading area, a useful materials redistribution > initiative, exhibitions, workshops, swap meets, presentations, public > projects, actions and generates a self-organized culture of > generosity.” > - In The Field > > www.messhall.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 20:16:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36125-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96458 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:16:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 96446 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:16:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:16:43 -0500 From: Timothy Ivison <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] open source/ open ear X-Originating-IP: [68.20.223.101] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 20:16:43.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[D266D800:01C56B9D] ....and regarding recent posts: all submissions will be acknowledged. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// OPEN SOURCE/OPEN EAR JULY 28 – August 11 Chicago, IL This is a call for all music makers, audiophiles, sound artists, file pirates, oddity trawlers, programmers, mixtapers, noise addicts, radio hackers, circuit benders, and free improvisers to participate in a two-week exhibition at Mess Hall, in Rogers Park. The objective of this show is to bring into focus diverse sound practices that resist conventional modes of production, distribution, performance or perception. The show will accommodate a gallery installation of submissions and projects, as well as a series of evening performances. This will be accompanied by a website, small publication and compilation cd. All types of contribution are welcome! Please consider submitting: • Proposals for one-night performances, on or off-site events, installations, radio programs • Recorded material for compilation, exchange, remix, broadcast or promotion • Posters, pamphlets, imagery or ephemera related to your work or to other DIY sound projects • Essays related to the ideas of open-source programming, soundhacking, politics and sound, installation, improvisation, subculture, etc. • How-to instructions or diagrams for instrument building/programming/deviant behavior All Submissions and proposals are due by July 15th Contact: Timothy Ivison 1342 W Hubbard St., #2F Chicago, IL 60622 xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx about the space: “Mess Hall is an open resource based in Chicago. It offers meals, a printed matter reading area, a useful materials redistribution initiative, exhibitions, workshops, swap meets, presentations, public projects, actions and generates a self-organized culture of generosity.” - In The Field www.messhall.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 09:36:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36124-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67457 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:36:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 67447 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:36:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:36:26 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] delta 1010LT audio card In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Alexandra P. Spaulding hat gesagt: // Alexandra P. Spaulding wrote: > I am putting together an exhibition using a G5 running OSX10.3.9 and I > have a Delta 1010LT audio card. This is not my normal setup so I am not > familiar with it, so I apologise if this is a stupid question. However > the audio componet consists of 8 speakers and we want to be able to > control each speaker or the 4 sets independantly. IS this possiable > with the sound card that I have? Yes, should be no problem. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 09:14:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36123-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61489 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:14:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 61479 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:14:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:14:10 -0400 From: Doran Massey <xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Sender: xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 09:14:13.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[45C594B0:01C56B41] My opinion? It's horribly traditional without any redeeming quality. Makes Britney Spears seem creative in comparison. ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > Hi Im sitting on atrain to stockholm. > Reading my mail which is now possible on x 2000 trains > free at the moment but not for long. > Anthony and the jonssons played in sweden recently > the tickets were sold out everywhere,one of the most hyped > artists in a long time. > I haven'theard so much but this track is beautiful. > I will definetely listen to more. > > best > Jean-Louis >> >> From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> >> Date: 2005/06/03 fr PM 10:35:15 GMT >> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Ämne: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson >> >> >> > I would just like to hear peoples opinions about this group. >> >> he's a pretty outstanding singer/songwriter, i'd say. i got introduced to >> his music by william > basinski who plays clarinet on antonys selftitled debut album. >> theres a wonderful piece called 'find the rhythm of your love' at >> >> http://biennalebonn.bgp.de/sound/biennale_high_quality.zip >> (4.7mb) >> >> , the 'jingle' for last years bonn biennale. >> - stephan >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jun 7 08:32:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36122-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51153 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:32:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 51139 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:32:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:32:38 +0000 From: xxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.13.1 (webedge20-101-1100-20040114) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Im sitting on atrain to stockholm. Reading my mail which is now possible on x 2000 trains free at the moment but not for long. Anthony and the jonssons played in sweden recently the tickets were sold out everywhere,one of the most hyped artists in a long time. I haven‘theard so much but this track is beautiful. I will definetely listen to more. best Jean-Louis > > From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > Date: 2005/06/03 fr PM 10:35:15 GMT > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Ämne: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson > > > > I would just like to hear peoples opinions about this group. > > he's a pretty outstanding singer/songwriter, i'd say. i got introduced to his music by william basinski who plays clarinet on antonys selftitled debut album. > theres a wonderful piece called 'find the rhythm of your love' at > > http://biennalebonn.bgp.de/sound/biennale_high_quality.zip > (4.7mb) > > , the 'jingle' for last years bonn biennale. > - stephan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 6 16:05:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36121-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73916 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:05:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 73900 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:05:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:05:46 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 In-reply-to: <002801c569fb$82c232c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n3xoee4ap6TysV4GRQIb0msYzOwwkkHaa8FLK2oXWeWEXb928RRn39qXpr4TO+3Wr7VujiBInf/8mlzDJy26spk3ZXDQXJJZShcYvvBhfeD/pTPYz1RT+iN+svcgaiDM5aAwBiPs8bmqfGjre6TUYiOGuGeT3wPVQpQbxMdpCgI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002801c569fb$82c232c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx God bless that album, I'd completely forgotten about it. When I purchased it, the only OY material I'd heard was his New Jazz Quintet. I wouldn't say I was necessarily *disappointed* by it, really. It just, mm, wasn't quite what I was looking for that afternoon. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/5/05, Claudio Parodi <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > Hi Sven > My favourite example is The night before the death of the sampling virus by > Yoshihide Otomo (Extreme XCD 024 1993). > Best. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 6 14:17:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36120-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30864 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:17:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 30854 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:17:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:17:12 +1000 From: Julian Knowles <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi jon oren uses a 'boomerang' delay line which is capable of very long delays (up to a few minutes in length), a variety of sound on sound effects and delay tap controls. The boomerang lets him set up background textures which build over time. he also uses a moogerfooger ring mod pedal with heaps of feedback, so you get that very high ringing/zapping sound, along with some 50s stockhausen-esque (ha! there he is again) type tones. these are the main two weapons in the arsenal, but he has some fuzz boxes, a 70s phaser pedal. that someone gave him.. and a few other bits and bobs which escape me right now... He then uses his famous sawn-off 'phlegm' guitar which is basically some el cheapo copy, with a hacked up body (literally), but with s pickup on the nut as well as the usual ones... He has a Fender Jaguar re-issue but you rarely see him pull that one out live. I;d have to say from knowing him for some time and hearing him play a lot, that (like all really great musicians) his sound is very much about how he personally approaches the above tools and the intelligence this applied, as opposed to the tools themselves (although i find the moogerfooger produces sounds closer to what you'd expect, more so than the other stuff). hope he doesn't mind me doing this!!! cheers julian On 06/06/2005, at 11:26 PM, Jon wrote: > hi there, > > i know many of you will think this is a lame question (and i'm > inclined in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what kind of > equipment oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos that he > uses some homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm not > trying to emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by curiosity! > > best wishes to each and all, > jon. > > > --- > www.dizzydonor.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 6 13:21:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36119-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14029 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:21:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 14019 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:21:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:26:16 +1000 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] oren ambarchi stuffs To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi there, i know many of you will think this is a lame question (and i'm inclined in some ways to agree), but does anybody know what kind of equipment oren ambarchi uses? i have noticed in some photos that he uses some homemade looking effects. if you're wondering, i'm not trying to emulate him in any way -- but i am driven by curiosity! best wishes to each and all, jon. --- www.dizzydonor.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 6 09:21:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36118-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5338 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:21:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 5327 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:21:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:20:48 +0100 From: "Alexandra P. Spaulding" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] delta 1010LT audio card To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi All- I am putting together an exhibition using a G5 running OSX10.3.9 and I have a Delta 1010LT audio card. This is not my normal setup so I am not familiar with it, so I apologise if this is a stupid question. However the audio componet consists of 8 speakers and we want to be able to control each speaker or the 4 sets independantly. IS this possiable with the sound card that I have? I am editing the audio in Audacity, and the computer that I'm using has Logic Pro 7 on it. Can anyone help. If it's easier please contact me offline. xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Many Thanks Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 6 02:47:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36117-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83078 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:47:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 83066 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:46:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:46:59 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 In-reply-to: <002701c569fb$825d7d80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002701c569fb$825d7d80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Does one need to be a trained musician to appreciate Stockhausen? To listen to his music? What a pompous statement! Like music is some kind of higher learning, Something that only the elite can grasp. Most Music is predicated by a set of rules, learning music theory does not make one a great musician. Talent and thought process/attitude is just as important. Also What about all the great self taught musicians? Blues anyone? Jazz? Many of the greats were self taught, and the blazed a path of innovation, as opposed to following the rut that academia aften throws the creative sole into. Dont get me wrong, i have respect for the man, just such a pompous statement requires a commentary...erm.. of sorts... aLEKs On Jun 5, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Claudio Parodi wrote: >> aphex is rather an example of pop-cultural overestimation, than that >> great a "composer"... he surely had a great impact/influence on fields >> of electronic music, but basically he's just an innovative techno >> producer...=20 > > An anedocte which I find very funny. On an Italian magazine Aphex Twins > declared his wish to do something with Karlheinz Stockhausen "before he > dies" (yep, he said that), and that some accord was going to be. While > I was > attending at a masterclass about Oktophonie by Karlheinz Stockhausen, > someone asked about this announced collaboration. Karlheinz Stockhausen > answered that yes, he and Aphex Twins sometimes shared the same bills, > but a > collaboration is impossible because Aphex Twins is not a tought > musician... > > Claudio Parodi > xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 6 00:27:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36116-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29269 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:27:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 29259 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:27:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: comfort of thinking In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6FA2bBqCmDY0LfmIBbzvvvkgk1jhlVF+IAjx3OKe3aRmxb72FFhPuTbLsOUGut9avl6vckXZ4gQMT0lNl9AlBYnZvCGlHztyZQANfyqq6HG8aTxsW4XHifyIGcFoyiMB0neWqmTUQ3ww4Tb7LjPp8lDQ5WbUrLRQXw59tn9MeEk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx there is a lot of thinking, a lot of connections made in the comment below, locked into one stream of conciousness. If its unknotted you have: Looking back at the Glory Past is what passes for thinking, today in dominant culture. And this thinking in the dominant Euro culture of consumer-Spectacle happy-me life has no global conciousness or discussion of the "silence"... I don't think it is really the job or even in any way realistic to imagine this list's discussions/comments working like a political Party or early modern avant-gardist group, in the sense of holding THE road map or developing a manifesto for how to break this "silence", or even espousing THE new revolutionary awareness, etc. (it is not unified by a certain number of 'thinkers', etc.... rather it is an open space around certain aesthetic practices... such a framework creates very different productions then a more-controlled list space with certain ideological agendas/positions/frameworks, etc...). Still, I hear you on the very idea of art/cultural production (& thinking about it) being truly connected to what is going on in the world now, being really important. How this "connection" is manifested is a whole other story... Don't you think it comes out many ways, particularly now? Unless we are merely repeating past works (like Borges' story about the writer who was so taken with Don Quixote that he re-wrote it word for word), then there is always something of the present in a new work, that any one of us does. Whether the new work is essentially re-cycling/re-commodifying the dominant asleep-at-the-wheel culture or any number of other possibilities is a vital question, I still think (and NOT to get all agitprop or populist about "art", either...) After all, this is all post-war work... And that is not that long a period. A remarkably bloody period... but that is another story (or is it?) hey, do people think that microsound is post-post war sound/music and if so how... is there a future suggested in the aesthetics of failure...? Perhaps one where the human is not bound solely to a heroic, at the least... ? - A >..europe now in the post-war times, ppl are collecting >more stuff(money, belongings) and thinking less globaly >(the majority does so) and less are thinking on sience >and the future and developement, many have lost their >honour for money and comfort. the same is here, where it >is very easy for thinking ppl to discuss past (beat the >old horse) rather than generate new ideas(apart form >seeing old gurus in new angles) - this is the comfort of >thinking. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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Sun Jun 5 22:16:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36115-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92222 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:16:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 92198 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:16:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:16:45 +0100 From: dr mr <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 In-reply-to: <002801c569fb$82c232c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: dr mr <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ezFODyRusQ1swdpeXZL/jCzzmJ+HG1HOEhKOU4/jJCGqZvXqgNSgT3ncZ6Ynrus11EMF7WO0khLQGvMqsWvrwy5MptIv0JpSU5ka8VRXM/R8WqgWKVLdfu0WbHTJmUi0VewRzyP79HKgrvxQ4ggVOIwKuodPrGaHAHOqc7iLL4M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002801c569fb$82c232c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dear microsound list, i was wondering, since the topic is plagiaristic music, does anyone know about the legal story behind 'plunderphonic' kind of music? specifically, ive been making some tracks using pop songs and im planning on putting the mp3s up on the internet for free download - is that in any way illegal? will i have to take them down if whoever has the copyrights for the song i used complains? andreas http://www.serpenehelimusic.com/~vybbtuan/ On 6/5/05, Claudio Parodi <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:26:55 +0200 > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Wrom: LSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVR > > Subject: plagiarism > > Message-Id: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> > > > > hi list, > > i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or not. > > when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative sense > > of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense as an > > approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of an > > artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of art/music > > is rather an social collaborative process than it is original creation. > > besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald, negativeland > > and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle their > > plagiarized > > music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond > > we-do-because-we-can. > > > > sven. > > > > Hi Sven > My favourite example is The night before the death of the sampling virus by > Yoshihide Otomo (Extreme XCD 024 1993). > Best. > > Claudio Parodi > xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 5 20:54:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36114-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57618 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:54:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 57601 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:54:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:54:24 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001101c56a10$c29828e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002701c569fb$825d7d80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <000c01c56a0b$d4c51f00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > typos? Possibly, and/or dyslexia on my part. Apologies if I caused confusion. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 5 20:36:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36113-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51470 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:36:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 51450 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:36:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:37:30 -0400 From: billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 In-reply-to: <000c01c56a0b$d4c51f00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=dKueSUj5nufY3GndMVz9KHX7NQgtqxaymEXaqJsU4migxGl067Nfpcrv5AzTKHvZ1r9/yRAqEP1a+gYsLCoTkMJj6alb2X1JGZL9rVZoiOnCnh9L+H8Y2sYz2ovgzGjxJjt9e4dN3IITk2xgABWyeOuXqIlnfrPxi4QKfX72Ftk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002701c569fb$825d7d80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <000c01c56a0b$d4c51f00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx typos? i would think stockhausen's prob is that richard james is not a "taught" (or trained) musician - and thus of no use to karlheinz. this speaks strongly to the closed-mindedness of the academy. whether or not aphex is a "thought" musician is a different issue altogether > >> collaboration is impossible because Aphex Twins is not a tought >> > musician... > > Which is interesting, but let´s remember it´s a personal statement > from > Stockhausen, it does not turn into objective fact simply by him > being so > important and influential. Aphex may or may not be a "thought > musician" or > even a "great composer", perhaps at the same time as bing a clever > techno > producer regardless of what Stockhausen thinks. > > Kas. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 5 20:19:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36112-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45282 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:18:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 45270 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:18:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:19:06 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c56a0b$d4c51f00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002701c569fb$825d7d80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Claudio Parodi > An anedocte which I find very funny. On an Italian magazine Aphex Twins > declared his wish to do something with Karlheinz Stockhausen "before he > dies" (yep, he said that), and that some accord was going to be. While I was > attending at a masterclass about Oktophonie by Karlheinz Stockhausen, > someone asked about this announced collaboration. Karlheinz Stockhausen > answered that yes, he and Aphex Twins sometimes shared the same bills, but a > collaboration is impossible because Aphex Twins is not a tought musician... Which is interesting, but let´s remember it´s a personal statement from Stockhausen, it does not turn into objective fact simply by him being so important and influential. Aphex may or may not be a "thought musician" or even a "great composer", perhaps at the same time as bing a clever techno producer regardless of what Stockhausen thinks. 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Sun Jun 5 18:16:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36109-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4631 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:16:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 4620 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:16:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:16:37 +0200 From: herv=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= boghossian <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] download music with AAC and WMA system In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEC90E25.22E1%xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, is anyone can give me info about these systems or maybe can give me a link ? i would like to know if it's easy and not too expensive to include that on a website and if it works well ? thanks by advance all the best rv --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 5 18:20:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36111-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6552 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:20:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 6445 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:20:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:46:39 +0200 From: Claudio Parodi <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002801c569fb$82c232c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:26:55 +0200 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: sven <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> > Subject: plagiarism > Message-Id: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> > > hi list, > i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or not. > when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative sense > of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense as an > approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of an > artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of art/music > is rather an social collaborative process than it is original creation. > besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald, negativeland > and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle their > plagiarized > music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond > we-do-because-we-can. > > sven. > Hi Sven My favourite example is The night before the death of the sampling virus by Yoshihide Otomo (Extreme XCD 024 1993). 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Sun Jun 5 18:20:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36110-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6334 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:20:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 6324 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:20:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:34:05 +0200 From: Claudio Parodi <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 3 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0000 Issue 1425 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002701c569fb$825d7d80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > aphex is rather an example of pop-cultural overestimation, than that > great a "composer"... he surely had a great impact/influence on fields > of electronic music, but basically he's just an innovative techno > producer...=20 An anedocte which I find very funny. On an Italian magazine Aphex Twins declared his wish to do something with Karlheinz Stockhausen "before he dies" (yep, he said that), and that some accord was going to be. While I was attending at a masterclass about Oktophonie by Karlheinz Stockhausen, someone asked about this announced collaboration. Karlheinz Stockhausen answered that yes, he and Aphex Twins sometimes shared the same bills, but a collaboration is impossible because Aphex Twins is not a tought musician... Claudio Parodi xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jun 5 07:36:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36108-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59507 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 07:36:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 59496 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 07:36:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:33:39 +0200 From: Giuseppe Rapisarda <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Festival in Cagliari To: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxx-x@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cAIW/QPSClQRrX+FFikzAQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-T2-Posting-ID: +g1WB1nR3O3yT4ozfbHIg8gJ2s6gFdu/vnyjYbumQsw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_cAIW/QPSClQRrX+FFikzAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologies for cross posting Amici della musica di Cagliari 2° festival di interpretazione della musica acusmatica Cagliari June 2005 - Exmà Friday 10 h 19 Arturo MoyaVillen Iannis Xenakis La légende d'Eer (Diatope) (1977-1978) 46' Theodoros Lotis Theories Under Water 15' h 21.15 Trevor Wishart Ambrose Field One Hell of a place to Lose a Cow (2002) 18' Jonty Harrison .... et ainsi de suite .... (1992) 19' Adrian Moore Dreaming of the Dawn (2004) 14' Giuseppe Rapisarda Almaquae 6' Saturday 11 h 19 Lucio Garau Luciano Berio Thema (1958) 8' Bernard Fort Miror des oiseaux (2004) 15' Bernard Parmeggiani De natura sonorum (1975) 10' Francesco Giomi Ultimo round (2005) 11' Trevor Wishart Two Women (1998) 16' h 21.15 François Bayle Francis Dhomont Les moirures du temps (2000) 15' Pierre Schaeffer Sphoradie, Suite 14 (1949) 5' Christian Zanesi Arkeïon, les mots de Stockhausen (1994) 16' Ludger Brummer Gestalt, pour F.B. (2002) 5' Lucio Garau Trasformazioni (2003) 10' Sunday 12 h 19 Giuseppe Rapisarda Natasha Barrett Three Fictions (Northern Mix) (2000) 10' 1. In the rain, 2. Midnight Sun: Midday Moon, 3. Outside Snow Falls David Arzouman Precipitation (1991) 10' Elsa Justel Primpilipansa (2002) 4' Arturo Moya Iubilus (2005) 11' Alessandro Cipriani Al Nur (2001) 17' h 21.15 Theodoros Lotis Christos Zachos: The Companions Of Me (2004) 10' Ondrej Adamek: Un souffle, une ombre, un rien (2001) 10' Stephan Roy: Crystal Music (1987) 14' Apostolos Loufopoulos: Aura (2002) 12' Francois Bayle Voyage au centre de la tête (1981) 20' (Son Vitesse-Lumière 3) --------------------------------------------------------- Giuseppe Rapisarda Pianist / Composer mailto:xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.rapisarda.org/giuseppe Professor at School of Electroacoustic Music Palermo Conservatory of Music - Italy --Boundary_(ID_cAIW/QPSClQRrX+FFikzAQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Jun 4 14:08:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36107-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84704 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:08:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 84694 invoked from network); Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:08:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:08:47 +0200 From: "xxxxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx" <xxxxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] help founding contacts To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <IHKCMN$xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Sensitivity: 3 X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B27pl2) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 82.51.132.61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello, i need you help to contact these arists: tape minamo dorine muraille does anybody knows if the mail addresses on rafael toral and oren ambarchi sites are up? for their privacy reply me privately here LORENZO_BRUTTI(at)LIBERO.IT bye and thanks lorenzo ____________________________________________________________ Navighi a 4 MEGA e i primi 3 mesi sono GRATIS. 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Fri Jun 3 22:35:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36106-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7179 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:35:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 7168 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:35:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 00:35:15 +0200 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re: antony and the johnson In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1038-C198E9BED47F11D98662000D933B19D8@[10.0.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I would just like to hear peoples opinions about this group. he's a pretty outstanding singer/songwriter, i'd say. i got introduced to his music by william basinski who plays clarinet on antonys selftitled debut album. theres a wonderful piece called 'find the rhythm of your love' at http://biennalebonn.bgp.de/sound/biennale_high_quality.zip (4.7mb) , the 'jingle' for last years bonn biennale. - stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 20:54:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36105-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64581 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:54:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 64569 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:54:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:54:43 +0200 From: sven <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism X-Sender: sven%xxxxxxxxx.xx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx At 18:15 03.06.2005, tobias c. van Veen wrote: >hi Sven, > >My new album (with tomas phillips) on and/OAR LIVE entitled "if not, winter" >contains a meta-sonic strategy to the construction of certain tracks. I >wouldn't use the word plagariasm, mind you. Of note, I have a book-length >text on remix culture being published this summer at: > > http://www.electronicbookreview.com > >Where is this research for ? > Are you in academia, a journalist or .. ? i'm an artist and ex-philosopher (decided against beeing in academia). it's actually research i'm doing for one of my own artistic projects, where i'm a little ironically claiming to having build the ultimate copyright-infringement machine. but it's not a joke but reflection on how social and artistic practices shift notions of intellectual property and if this practices are maybe the only strong counter-forces to industry lobbyist groups. btw, what is a meta-sonic strategy? sven. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 19:23:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36104-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17006 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:23:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 16996 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:23:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:23:20 -0500 From: bryce beverlin II <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.210] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2005 19:23:21.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3F99A80:01C56871] ;langdo8y2:// here are a few pieces that you might find interesting by 19: http://insidesmusic.com/insidesmusic/19.html "layer" is an experiment where an artist's works are all layered atop one another "natty dread variations" uses marley's song for theme and variations style mixes "drk sd f th mn" uses pink floyd's dsm record and truncates each successive iteration by 1/2 data for 19 times ....and of course my "two-sense" about this cage/aphex discussion is that everything is in the past that we discuss; it is just a matter of how far back you want to study. discussion about the future is called speculation. creation is in the present. as it was mentioned, both xenakis and stockhausen have created pieces within james's career. it seems there are some standoffish feelings floating around, but there have also been some good 'cool-down' posts as well. so perhaps we should be discussing how aphex twin relates to microsound if the original author of the post would like to kick it off... bryce beverlin II http://www.insidesmusic.com/bryce --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 17:14:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36103-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39105 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:14:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 39095 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:14:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:14:00 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] At the risk of sounding stupid... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300bec63fe1fdaf@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Who is Bethohwen? - http://prace.sciaga.pl/27883.html AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 17:13:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36102-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37243 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:13:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 37229 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:13:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:13:02 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx go listen to "wheels of steel" - pure unadulterated dj artistry. no messy raps. it's the only flash disk i can listen to, the raps of that era bug me no end. it was downhill [imho] after that - "the message", "white lines" [whose music bed was a direct lift of "cavern" by liquid liquid and which became one of the first lawsuits about djs using other artists music.] cheers bruce On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Beau wrote: > I'm pretty sure that all those old Grandmaster Flash records feature > rap over the Grandmaster's DJing, and therefore aren't entirely > sample-based. > > Also of relevance is the Herbie Hancock single Rockit off the album > Future Shock, featuring scratching by Grand Mixer D. St. > > > > beau > > > > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > >> I need to listen to more Grandmaster Flash (which is to say, any at >> all). Any recommended starting points? >> >> -QF8 >> http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ >> >> On 6/3/05, bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: >>>> I heard someone say that it was >>>> the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. >>> >>> hmmm... grandmaster flash on the wheels of steel pops into mind >>> here.... circa early 80's. >>> cheers >>> bruce >>> >>> >>> bruce tovsky >>> www.skeletonhome.com >>> >>> "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." >>> Douglas Adams >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 17:08:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36101-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33189 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:08:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 33179 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:08:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:08:22 -0500 From: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] At the risk of sounding stupid... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G19Vlb8wkRmB+/VesOcJH+m11LN4keDnp/zLRrIsC+Wygf74n+5HP4t24jA1cfGiT3VEicWUIyTrQZVGbQCufoGh2tHmWA9nNSb43QlBDQJNgDmLy+Q7CUOfKcIu5WHCcVHqqLdFBAf1WknjVI2t1B3FM53B/MA+MLB3iNbth5E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i think maybe it was the st. bernard dog from that movie, with charles grodin. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103786/ On 6/3/05, Christopher Murphy <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Dear All, > > At the risk of sounding stupid... Who is Bethohwen? ;-) > > Best, > > Christopher @ Fallt -- v' ---------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/d4cvc http://www.oblast.net http://yatswuestling.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 17:01:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36100-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27282 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:01:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 27264 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:01:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:01:18 +0100 From: Christopher Murphy <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] At the risk of sounding stupid... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear All, At the risk of sounding stupid... Who is Bethohwen? ;-) Best, Christopher @ Fallt | """..NOW PLAYING..00.05.2005---||||... | 0000 | XXXX---- STEPHAN MATHIEU | ON TAPE --------------------- <> | XXXX---- STEPHAN MATHIEU | THIDWICK, A HORSE ----------- \\ | 0000 \\\\..\\\\ http://www.fallt.com | xxxx@xxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:59:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36099-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24990 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:58:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 24972 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:58:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:58:50 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K9KB1kd0IJUcoUa5FLl4Fv43UwhivQIwP6I9WR2wiRJ9zHe3r0ER3CiGHz1QxzEitCwzDli911bS4dJuBbVM+dPIK7b2HPIVdBQseeExTW0VG0mQyxmN8i6MvJZ77uB8U2c5n17VoO6DsfW4dLzakLJjU5tQRh7N7spUbauwvCM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oh, well I don't know about that. Extra sloppy, fun, paper-thin - I'll give you that, for sure. But I wouldn't call it intentionally pointless. I think he was thumbing his nose at the pop scene and, as I interpret it, the IDM scene as well. I think the point was to say to these two scenes, "Look, all this stupid fluff is totally interchangable, haha you suck haha." Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's brilliant or anything, and it doesn't make it's way into my CD player but once every 9-12 months. Still, I'm glad it exists. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com On 6/3/05, billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > > > As Kid 606 records go, I think The Action Packed Mentallist Brings You > > the Fucking Jams might be a bit more along the lines of what you're > > looking for. I'm unsure whether or not you would file this album under > > "because we can". > > more than anything I think "action packed mentallist" was made "b/c > we can" - extra sloppy and fun - intentionally pointless... > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:48:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36098-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18285 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:48:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 18275 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:48:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:48:33 -0400 From: Beau <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm pretty sure that all those old Grandmaster Flash records feature rap over the Grandmaster's DJing, and therefore aren't entirely sample-based. Also of relevance is the Herbie Hancock single Rockit off the album Future Shock, featuring scratching by Grand Mixer D. St. beau On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > I need to listen to more Grandmaster Flash (which is to say, any at > all). Any recommended starting points? > > -QF8 > http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > > On 6/3/05, bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: >>> I heard someone say that it was >>> the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. >> >> hmmm... grandmaster flash on the wheels of steel pops into mind >> here.... circa early 80's. >> cheers >> bruce >> >> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." >> Douglas Adams >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:42:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36097-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14656 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:42:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 14646 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:42:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:43:58 -0400 From: billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_u62817heAj788CyYjCPq0A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=m7ntefnYRkP/CB2q1dUJB8rruxR/WszETenO1/dHW1Hy5ZjOlgz8QprM661phHc5onddefIX5brg4g21tu1GFNCx3B8jlda3ln/EJsVEVIK5wnXLxGjhTBKyb7x5NSUDwIgYB3tfodA5j0bkc2SooGHPnDLUIkV1/ljmwyuFdfg= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_u62817heAj788CyYjCPq0A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > As Kid 606 records go, I think The Action Packed Mentallist Brings You > the Fucking Jams might be a bit more along the lines of what you're > looking for. I'm unsure whether or not you would file this album under > "because we can". more than anything I think "action packed mentallist" was made "b/c we can" - extra sloppy and fun - intentionally pointless... --Boundary_(ID_u62817heAj788CyYjCPq0A)-- From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:41:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36096-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13487 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:41:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 13477 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:41:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:41:39 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TQGOFV9QdWkJbbCND8SkDIGa13fcunwR6ajCpqp6LnW08TMFeUGc071DXdQhAkS9PYCqJXfnKyhk5AWwlTKpkybJqTiGgn12/o6xZrCK5cuIJO8snFAgjEETcq/MK7AnPMzXthdyM/uOqSF/c6/rK2ARabqUIilkE96sCH/8w1E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I need to listen to more Grandmaster Flash (which is to say, any at all). Any recommended starting points? -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/3/05, bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > > I heard someone say that it was > > the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. > > hmmm... grandmaster flash on the wheels of steel pops into mind > here.... circa early 80's. > cheers > bruce > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." > Douglas Adams > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:30:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36095-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6510 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:30:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 6500 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:30:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:30:33 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > I heard someone say that it was > the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. hmmm... grandmaster flash on the wheels of steel pops into mind here.... circa early 80's. cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:18:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36094-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99379 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:18:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 99369 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:18:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:18:08 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Great post, there is a lot about DJ Shadow that is worth a lengthy discussion... aLEKs On Jun 3, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: > As Kid 606 records go, I think The Action Packed Mentallist Brings You > the Fucking Jams might be a bit more along the lines of what you're > looking for. I'm unsure whether or not you would file this album under > "because we can". > > Another one (with a lot more compositional and technical merit, in my > opinion) was DJ Shadow's Endtroducing. I heard someone say that it was > the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. I > don't know if it was the *very* first, or that it was made *entirely* > from samples, but it was made a little while ago (early 90's, I > think?), and composed at least mostly of samples. In any case, it's a > fabulous album. Also, as far as strong philosophies go, Shadow > certainly seems to have one, whatever it is. I never hear him say too > much, other than "I feel so strongly about the things I have to say > that I just can't say them at all." Or something. He's a little weird. > > Hope this helps. > > -QF8 > http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ > > > On 6/3/05, billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> my contemporary touchstone for this is kid606's "down w/the >> scene" (ipecac, 1999). >> >> tons of attitude and very creative (i still think it is his best). >> >> I think that "right now" plagiarism and appropriation are very >> commonplace, part of the pallette. >> >> this is due as much to oswald/negativland (and the avant garde side >> of things) as it is to the influence of public enemy and most hiphop >> production, as well as the traditions of dancehall (where new vocals >> are laid over old and/or plagiarised riddims) or dub. >> >> which puts us in a more sensitive situation - is sampling (using that >> term in general) something we do "because we can" (and it is so easy >> to do today) or a technique that requires care and understanding >> (ideally, like all elements of artistic creation). this is >> especially pertinent given the forum you have posted to - i'm >> assuming we are all pretty friendly with various dsp suites and >> softwares and can mash a sample into oblivion - what does this mean >> about the use of a sample? (esp if all we hear is granulate - >> convovle - granulate - delay - granulate) >> >> see tim hecker's "my love is rotten to the core" (van halen samples), >> akufen or crackhaus (millions of samples in a techno/house frame), >> akira rabelais "Spellewauerynsherde" or opto "2nd" ('found' source >> material) >> >> also think of some vinyl artists - christan marclay, philip jeck, >> janek schaefer, otomo yoshihide....... >> >> that should get you going..... >> >> On Jun 3, 2005, at 9:26 AM, sven wrote: >> >>> hi list, >>> i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or >>> not. >>> when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative >>> sense >>> of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense >>> as an >>> approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of >>> an >>> artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of >>> art/music >>> is rather an social collaborative process than it is original >>> creation. >>> besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald, >>> negativeland >>> and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle >>> their plagiarized >>> music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond >>> we-do-because-we-can. >>> >>> sven. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 16:09:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36093-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93609 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:09:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 93598 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:09:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:09:28 -0700 From: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Quintus Frimschlowder VIII <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FR5OAEqcK3xt1DEjykEeJg/pNbp4jzpYesp9etSgvhDAHtH+A2Eki1vY+Gqo8xRoczxWSTuY6VA0ihJPuWsQpMWEZEp0qXNtdiwstWKFg/cwSmBEkUEcbqWDvgnqHjDQ3mMEOJWbX4JyrxMo/7/UGlskfNFQJWoRlG964XyGTGo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.x.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx As Kid 606 records go, I think The Action Packed Mentallist Brings You the Fucking Jams might be a bit more along the lines of what you're looking for. I'm unsure whether or not you would file this album under "because we can". Another one (with a lot more compositional and technical merit, in my opinion) was DJ Shadow's Endtroducing. I heard someone say that it was the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. I don't know if it was the *very* first, or that it was made *entirely* from samples, but it was made a little while ago (early 90's, I think?), and composed at least mostly of samples. In any case, it's a fabulous album. Also, as far as strong philosophies go, Shadow certainly seems to have one, whatever it is. I never hear him say too much, other than "I feel so strongly about the things I have to say that I just can't say them at all." Or something. He's a little weird. Hope this helps. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/3/05, billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > my contemporary touchstone for this is kid606's "down w/the > scene" (ipecac, 1999). > > tons of attitude and very creative (i still think it is his best). > > I think that "right now" plagiarism and appropriation are very > commonplace, part of the pallette. > > this is due as much to oswald/negativland (and the avant garde side > of things) as it is to the influence of public enemy and most hiphop > production, as well as the traditions of dancehall (where new vocals > are laid over old and/or plagiarised riddims) or dub. > > which puts us in a more sensitive situation - is sampling (using that > term in general) something we do "because we can" (and it is so easy > to do today) or a technique that requires care and understanding > (ideally, like all elements of artistic creation). this is > especially pertinent given the forum you have posted to - i'm > assuming we are all pretty friendly with various dsp suites and > softwares and can mash a sample into oblivion - what does this mean > about the use of a sample? (esp if all we hear is granulate - > convovle - granulate - delay - granulate) > > see tim hecker's "my love is rotten to the core" (van halen samples), > akufen or crackhaus (millions of samples in a techno/house frame), > akira rabelais "Spellewauerynsherde" or opto "2nd" ('found' source > material) > > also think of some vinyl artists - christan marclay, philip jeck, > janek schaefer, otomo yoshihide....... > > that should get you going..... > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 9:26 AM, sven wrote: > > > hi list, > > i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or > > not. > > when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative > > sense > > of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense > > as an > > approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of an > > artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of > > art/music > > is rather an social collaborative process than it is original > > creation. > > besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald, > > negativeland > > and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle > > their plagiarized > > music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond > > we-do-because-we-can. > > > > sven. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 15:18:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36092-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67448 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:18:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 67438 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:18:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:18:49 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 2 Jun 2005 17:05:13 -0000 Issue 1424 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx He would rather run away... aLEKs On Jun 2, 2005, at 8:04 PM, tasty radish wrote: > force? this is a list, not a prison or *anything* like > that. > > start it up, if it interests you. what are you waiting > for? > > > >> force you=20 >> to understand why aphex twin is called the >> equiwalent of bethohwen in our t= >> ime. >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Fri Jun 3 15:15:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36091-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65300 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:15:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 65290 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:15:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:15:07 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cage im off In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You need to quit with the broad generalizations and uber assumtions. You state your opinions as if they were fact. As if you were some omnipotent, infallible, godlike being who is utterly incapable of error. I have seen such a broad variety of discussions, interesting links, book suggestions, musical references/suggestions, on and on, that i honestly cant take your post too seriously. again relax a little. Maybe your just too sensitive inregards to Cage/Xenaxis/Stcokh/blah blah. If you truly do want some great thought/Dicsussion you should be more patient. It doesnt always happen on a daily basis, its kind of cyclical. Also the List dies down at times content wise due to a little thing called "Real Life" I do appreciate your efforts at enlightening the rest of the list, god your brilliant. aLEKs On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Oswald Grain wrote: >> if one person is interested in music, then they probably don't care > whether the music was made yesterday, 40 years ago, or 400 years ago. > if another person cares about the present only, then they probably > aren't interested in music made yesterday [or earlier]. > > you completely missed my point witch is that here is to mutch talk > over a very narrow field of music nameli cages and xenaxis and > stockhousens, i have never read you discuss any other remarcable > artist or genere or technique... > so based on your statement i would say that you are only interested in > the past, and not in the present... > > and ofcourse i have listend to many artists and generes and will do it > in the future also, but i´m not sticking to past, but heading towards > tommorow... > > and aphex was just a mere example of a great composer, if you fail to > see his briliance i doubt you can ever understand cage or some one > other... > > one more thing is the lack of feedback, it was not my intent to > provoke a intence discussion, but i asumed some ppl might feel the > need to start to argue - to few did, so even if i did not express my > point very good i take it as most of you understood what i tryed to > achieve and admit that i was right... > as i´m reading from the microsound homepage one of the goals is to > discuss digital and post-digital music styles... i wonder is that not > the future gomes digital not after analog??? and dont start that > post-digital means analog again. > > this list is suposed to discuss curent performances, trade new > original ideas, future cages should originate from this list and i´m > not telling that theese topics are not beeing discussed, i´m only > saying that here the old horse is beeing beaten 80% of the time and > new interesting ideas and thoughts are beeing discussed 20% of the > time... > > what has happend to europe now in the post-war times, ppl are > collecting more stuff(money, belongings) and thinking less globaly > (the majority does so) and less are thinking on sience and the future > and developement, many have lost their honour for money and comfort. > the same is here, where it is very easy for thinking ppl to discuss > past (beat the old horse) rather than greate new ideas(abart form > seeing old gurus in new angles) - this is the comfort of thinking. do > sth...dont lie to yourselves > > ...ah what am i trying to achieve here anyways, i apologise for the > trouble and unsubscribe have all of you listend to all of the > generes and diversitiues of music out there, and trying to understand > why it is out there??? > > oswald grain > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 15:02:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36090-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58528 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:01:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 58516 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:01:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:03:25 -0400 From: billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=CXfwdBYSj1VmZ5WsEBWOY/jHQP12or0q6fgCDY3pxuIVBQImuektRW6ROZvAeALuz9MK88Wu9ea3EnAz3s3xRXUIR/ZxChf3GMv9g7RrG5IBUyp82JD0Oq9Jc1dFnb0s3hlBIOoT67MoAxOIsB4aSP1+GNIlSeq5ZpuaHjXtQeY= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <238-SnapperMsgF4585520BEC55F4C@[70.0.222.82]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my contemporary touchstone for this is kid606's "down w/the scene" (ipecac, 1999). tons of attitude and very creative (i still think it is his best). I think that "right now" plagiarism and appropriation are very commonplace, part of the pallette. this is due as much to oswald/negativland (and the avant garde side of things) as it is to the influence of public enemy and most hiphop production, as well as the traditions of dancehall (where new vocals are laid over old and/or plagiarised riddims) or dub. which puts us in a more sensitive situation - is sampling (using that term in general) something we do "because we can" (and it is so easy to do today) or a technique that requires care and understanding (ideally, like all elements of artistic creation). this is especially pertinent given the forum you have posted to - i'm assuming we are all pretty friendly with various dsp suites and softwares and can mash a sample into oblivion - what does this mean about the use of a sample? (esp if all we hear is granulate - convovle - granulate - delay - granulate) see tim hecker's "my love is rotten to the core" (van halen samples), akufen or crackhaus (millions of samples in a techno/house frame), akira rabelais "Spellewauerynsherde" or opto "2nd" ('found' source material) also think of some vinyl artists - christan marclay, philip jeck, janek schaefer, otomo yoshihide....... that should get you going..... On Jun 3, 2005, at 9:26 AM, sven wrote: > hi list, > i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or > not. > when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative > sense > of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense > as an > approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of an > artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of > art/music > is rather an social collaborative process than it is original > creation. > besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald, > negativeland > and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle > their plagiarized > music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond > we-do-because-we-can. > > sven. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 14:46:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36089-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47866 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:46:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 47854 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:46:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:48:21 -0400 From: billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] antony and the johnson In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=Cn8f0w8q4eVLZ70iKZ8eGhF140mdTJm7R24oP4rDa26ICFR9LsbhUU7jvChXcj3Ig8mIMs5fcCa5l0Q88nm/cHB7z9jni/ZnyNgKs+DtsCCJnUTR2cdvwhHSi+ngQGFkLB85FwrFYhE44osvj8JpDPIcJPswDfJ4BiL84iuGigo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx love it. new record is fantastic, almost perfect. wish i had a voice like that and the words to go with it. beautiful production on this new record, down to the candy darling deathbed photo on the cover. very smart and very moving. b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 13:26:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36088-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11534 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:26:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 11524 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:26:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:26:55 +0200 From: sven <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] plagiarism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: sven%xxxxxxxxx.xx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <238-SnapperMsgF4585520BEC55F4C@[70.0.222.82]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi list, i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or not. when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative sense of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense as an approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of an artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of art/music is rather an social collaborative process than it is original creation. besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald, negativeland and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle their plagiarized music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond we-do-because-we-can. sven. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 11:21:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36087-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79438 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:21:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 79427 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:21:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:21:49 +0100 (BST) From: morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] antony and the johnson In-reply-to: <238-SnapperMsgF4585520BEC55F4C@[70.0.222.82]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9MGg4kEsD9gOcr1SMB5N6w)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_9MGg4kEsD9gOcr1SMB5N6w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would just like to hear peoples opinions about this group. i think the production on this record is the lushest, and most tasteful i have heard in ages. (i know a and the j's are not strictly electronic or whatever, but i feel they are as "contemporary" as cage or bartok) --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos --Boundary_(ID_9MGg4kEsD9gOcr1SMB5N6w)-- From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 08:08:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36086-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18104 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:08:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 18092 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:08:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:08:32 +0100 From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p05100302bec5b47edbaa@[10.0.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all. A few more Braxton suggestions... the best Braxton I've heard is the music made in the mid 80s with the group featuring Marilyn Crispell on piano, Gerry Hemingway on bass and Mark Dresser on drums. The live album recorded in London in 1985, released on Leo Records, is really fantastic. The late 60s solo album For Alto is also very good. For Braxton working with improv people, the albums with Derek Bailey (on Victo) and Evan Parker (Leo again) are excellent. Braxton brought a young quintet to London in November and it was a very strong performance - there's clearly plenty still going on. There have also been lots of albums over the years devoted to his sideways takes on standards. Best Will --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 05:13:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36085-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69926 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:12:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 69915 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:12:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:12:50 -0500 From: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] aesova? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tNyoDm+eq30IrZxcrY9GEWJflOeZ0oFr0vqk8Xu8SCssu3yi8i7LJlrexuE5/mdeGVzrSMxhT5Zp3rtgqSR38D5jSDsY/GeYsEIv/oW1SbJaZltZkp33zAezsi9R9VajY7ovXIDIKI12lAsDSReLflmGViDbTSp+kSBsVTnuJ3c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx does anyone know whats up with aesova (and/or their server)? i was trying to listen to some tu-mp3 archives and mp3 clips of their mr.mutt release with no success... -- v' ---------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/d4cvc http://www.oblast.net http://yatswuestling.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 01:14:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36084-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98717 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:13:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 98705 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:13:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:13:17 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cage im off In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <238-SnapperMsgF4585520BEC55F4C@[70.0.222.82]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-Printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >you completely missed my point witch is that here is to mutch talk over a very narrow field of music nameli cages and xenaxis and stockhousens, i have never read you discuss any other remarcable artist or genere or technique.... well, microsound IS a very narrow field. if you want to discuss a remarkable artist/genre/technique, post away, nobody's stopping you. the field of music covered by the three cats you mention is enormous compared to that of microsound. >and ofcourse i have listend to many artists and generes and will do it in the future also, but i´m not sticking to past, but heading towards tommorow... good for you! what are you listening to that you consider "heading towards tommorow" and not "sticking to past"? >and aphex was just a mere example of a great composer, if you fail to see his briliance i doubt you can ever understand cage or some one other... Richard has a wonderfully unique voice and innovative imagination that speaks very strongly in the world of pop music. Only time will tell if he is considered great, but i personally dont believe his work has anywhere near the depth and richness of other "great composers." While he's great at finding those hooks you never thought existed, his (published) music is largely ideomatic. I look forward to an album from Mr. D. James without a single breakbeat! what other great composers do you like? > i´m only saying that here the old horse is beeing beaten 80% of the time and new interesting ideas and thoughts are beeing discussed 20% of the time... so why not post your own questions and ideas to solicit discussion? why not contribute these things yourself instead of criticising others? there's just no reason to get so upset and agro about it and lash out because the list isn't discussing Aphex Twin or Squarepusher this month. > have all of you listend to all of the generes and diversitiues of music out there, and trying to understand why it is out there??? yes, constantly. have you? matt ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 00:21:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36083-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77944 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:20:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 77934 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:20:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 02:20:47 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Micro-beat vs. Micro-arhythmic, Aphex vs. Cage To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c567d2$213d8480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Hi list, I recently went to the electronic music festival in Detroit > (anybody else go???) and, though overall the stuff I heard was probably > too "techno" to be discussed here, I did go to the Detroit Underground > party, which had the following line up: Apparat, Richard Devine, Otto > Von Schirach, Jimmy Edgar, Kero etc. I was there, playing in the tent (that was called "musicological", "generator" or "new music", depending on who you asked) as half of Bangkok Impact. I had a great time and general the mood was excelent but I felt that overall there was a very strong "anti-cerebral" additude over the whole festifal and a worship of the longer running acts that at times bordered on the fashistic in my experience. I got in a debate with some of my company as I felt that it´s all good and well to stress how long a act like Model500 has been making music but that I expected a artist to grow stylistically and perhaps also technologically in such a time and that what was presented didn´t realy show that experience to me. To get from my personal experience to a broader, more topical, perspective; to me many of the acts that played used the digital realm mainly for it´s strength in flawless reproduction and failed to embrace the more dynamic sides of digital systems. To me that´s a missed oportunity since this is the same crowd that often praises analogue for being more alive and "a little different every time". I believe that it´s quite possible to embrase the more dynamic sides of digital audio systems even within a aesthetic centered on "sounding analogue" but I heard preciously little of that. I missed the party you mention though. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jun 3 00:04:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36082-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68227 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:04:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 68214 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:04:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 2 Jun 2005 17:05:13 -0000 Issue 1424 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eqvlNUUHbw4iit43kThWQSSMdMkEjgbb4tSqHmjUO6hXEJc78/qnvc7tYhxKDX6SUj4mLYW8+6oqtQ+n/1tk3qwRHOXcnY6RsYuTn/ediVDg6qJ3I4+e927EMB0oztB99FEBMC+XjR0Xr3P5OoU/Jk31vCmjNYlayFHdiFCMr/Y= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx force? this is a list, not a prison or *anything* like that. start it up, if it interests you. what are you waiting for? > force you=20 > to understand why aphex twin is called the > equiwalent of bethohwen in our t= > ime. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Thu Jun 2 23:47:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36081-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60368 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:46:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 60355 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:46:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:46:46 -0400 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] cage im off In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcVnrJwMdLIOkdqjRQC+aesi4wOhcgAIEvvA Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elise.cwihosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dmethods.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > you completely missed my point witch is that here is to mutch > talk over a very narrow field of music nameli cages and > xenaxis and stockhousens, i have never read you discuss any > other remarcable artist or genere or technique... > so based on your statement i would say that you are only > interested in the past, and not in the present... So would it be ok to discuss e.g. what Stockhausen/Xenakis/etc composed after Aphex Twin's Ambient Works? What is present and what is past? //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 23:41:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36080-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57447 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:40:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 57437 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:40:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:40:53 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Micro-beat vs. Micro-arhythmic, Aphex vs. Cage In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130304bec5487c2877@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Whereas "heroic modern" composers like Cage, >Xanakis, Stockhausen invent there own parameters, >Well they actually didn't. Cage loved the I-Ching and throwing dice occasionally; Xenakis used architecture and mathematics: Stockhausen the Second Vienese School combined with a great preference for himself. All three made wonderfull music. 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Thu Jun 2 23:24:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36079-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50317 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:24:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 50307 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:24:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:24:10 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Micro-beat vs. Micro-arhythmic, Aphex vs. Cage In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi list, I recently went to the electronic music festival in Detroit (anybody else go???) and, though overall the stuff I heard was probably too "techno" to be discussed here, I did go to the Detroit Underground party, which had the following line up: Apparat, Richard Devine, Otto Von Schirach, Jimmy Edgar, Kero etc. I'd say pretty much ALL the music I heard all night was post-digital/micro, and a lot of really interesting examples of fusing a glitch/failure aesthetic with rhythms from dance music. Which got me thinking - I imagine there are a lot of people who don't find this to be proper "micro" music because they are into arhythmic/beatless/ambient abstractions (perhaps rooted in the post-classical European tradition) and not music that has some basis (however abstract) in dance rhythms. On the other hand, I see there may be some prejudice against the arhythmic side of things esp. as it is influenced by "academic" composers like Cage, Xenakis, Stockhausen et al., because Aphex Twin or some other IDM hero is just so much more relevant and hip and "now". In the end, I think it's a bit of a silly argument, as an argument that one or the other preference has more "truth content" sounds highly suspect to me. What should matter is whether the artist tries to keep moving in an interesting direction from wherever it is they start, and succeeds within their particular frame of reference. Techno, bebop, sonata form, or fugue - I'd argue that all genres are just formal games with sets of parameters that must be adhered to, and the question is how well the composer creates interesting material within those paremeters, or breaks out while still being recognizable as derived from the genre. Whereas "heroic modern" composers like Cage, Xanakis, Stockhausen invent there own parameters, they create unique games that apply to one piece or one group of pieces only. I just don't think either approach is inherently superior, they have to be evaluated differently. Sometimes people feel that certain genres are relevant, and others outdated, but that tends to change over time and I don't think there's an objective measure of whether a genre is relevant. True, my perspective is post-modern, in that "classic modernism" says you must rid yourself of all genres and start over heroically with every piece - but I don't think time has justified that aesthetic position as the only valid one. But neither does it make sense to dismiss Cage and Xenakis out of hand. ~David aka Cyborg K --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 22:42:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36078-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31574 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:42:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 31560 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:42:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:42:37 -0600 From: Jeffrey Shell <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jeffrey Shell <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J0pk5wmwJbVFyFxPgtsMlTwzNPnY/HGbvnT7s8s7Va1UtkpwHD+6dm2pZefXGg9JNU8mzPeBeR6JRru4xPkhifXbRfns6RGDbW9FyduRMScM47apxAEfWfvHZQg3uhdRhgGmHNY1TE2a4N/dYqMPmDIIVD9YQCvmRGpmyVs/8Bk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx T24gNi8xLzA1LCBPc3dhbGQgR3JhaW4gPE9zd2FsZC5HcmFpbkBvbmUuZWU+IHdy b3RlOgo+IAo+IGNhZ2UgQUdBSU4gPz8/IHNvcnJ5IGZvciBiYWQgbGFuZ3VhZ2Us IGJ1dCB3dGYgcmlpbHkgcHBsLAo+IGdvIGNyZWF0IGEgc2VwYXJhdGUgbGlzdCBv bmx5IGZvciBjYWdlIGFuZCB4ZW5ha3Npcy4KPiBkb250IHlvdSB1bmRlcnN0YW5k IGhlcmUgYXJlIHlvdW5nZXIgcHBsIHRoYW4gNDAgYWxzbywKPiBpIGRvbnQgZ2l2 ZSBhIHMko0BAgCBib3V0IGNhZ2UuIGJ1dCBpIGFsc28gZG9udCBmb3JjZSB5b3UK PiB0byB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIHdoeSBhcGhleCB0d2luIGlzIGNhbGxlZCB0aGUgZXF1 aXdhbGVudCBvZiBiZXRob2h3ZW4gaW4gb3VyIHRpbWUuCgpXZWxsLCBJJ3ZlIGJl ZW4gY2FsbGVkIHRoZSBXaW5zdG9uIENodXJjaGlsbCBvZiBEYWRhLCBzbyBJIHNh eSB3ZSBzdG9wCmFsbCB0aGlzIGJpY2tlcmluZyBhbmQgdGFsayBhYm91dCBtZS4K CgotLQpKZWZmIFNoZWxsIGZvciBFdWNjaQpodHRwOi8vZXVjLmN4L2V1Y2NpLwo= From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 20:41:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36077-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82258 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:41:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 82248 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:41:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:48:41 +0300 From: Christos Carras <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Anthony Braxton In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx maybe this has been mentioned before but there was an article / interview + discographical selection in the wire, February 2005. cc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 20:23:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36076-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73119 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:23:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 73106 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:23:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:25:15 +0200 From: th_ost <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: AW: [microsound] cage im off In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c567b1$303fd850$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #3048294 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A needlessly foodstyle-structured approach to answering some of your paragraphs... Appetizer: >>that here is to mutch talk over a very narrow field of music nameli cages >>and xenaxis and stockhousens, i have never read you discuss any other >>remarcable artist or genere or technique... >>so based on your statement i would say that you are only interested in the >>past, and not in the present... the "here" you are referring to, is a mailinglist focussing on a - you call it narrow - field of music, tentacle-ing out to various related genres/topics... if you miss one, start a discussion on it! Soup: >>and aphex was just a mere example of a great composer, if you fail to see >>his briliance i doubt you can ever understand cage or some one other... aphex is rather an example of pop-cultural overestimation, than that great a "composer"... he surely had a great impact/influence on fields of electronic music, but basically he's just an innovative techno producer... salad: >>so even if i did not express my point very good i take it as most of you >>understood what i tryed to achieve and admit that i was right... maybe people didn't respond because of dismissing statements as the above as rather oversubjective (and/or) nonsensical... not everyone who remains silent agrees, some care not to partake in the discussion... main course: >>where it is very easy for thinking ppl to discuss past (beat the old >>horse) rather than greate new ideas(abart form seeing old gurus in new >>angles) - this is the comfort of thinking. a) the present is to a great extent the product of the past. b) reflection on "the existing" lies at the root of development. We cannot "create" new ideas out of nothing. No dessert, Tomoroh Hidari °~° Beyond Good, Evil, AND Nietzsche... http://www.tomoroh.com/ >Music for Connoisseurs< ~°~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 20:22:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36075-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71896 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:22:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 71885 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:22:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:22:24 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cage im off In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V19+aJqlPmZRsTZfIT8CpLlkpPkdtc/cb4x5vFEB4dwxj8bZTegNP1VZzi4Z49K+mbv3hHYx5/JOO0EOpIiosk4nfDVOzx85MGkNLZyd5H8sQCxBisnc990GSblbl7obE39+cJRLMOE7lXJWGTyp3e6tFMzorXUhXHEMCK7mf8A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/2/05, Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote: > you completely missed my point witch is that here is to mutch talk over a very narrow field of music nameli cages and xenaxis and stockhousens, i have never read you discuss any other remarcable artist or genere or technique... there's a lot of talk of current stuff here too [recent auchtre], but you'd need to look in the archives for that [past]. > so based on your statement i would say that you are only interested in the past, and not in the present... > so even if i did not express my point very good i take it as most of you understood what i tryed to achieve and admit that i was right... hmm ... i don't think either of these statements is accurate. and i don't think there's only one 'right' here either. > have all of you listend to all of the generes and diversitiues of music out there, and trying to understand why it is out there??? no- i need to eat and sleep and read and talk and smell the lilacs in the spring too. but i find out about interesting stuff on this list all the time [merzbow (maybe too old for you)]. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 19:52:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36074-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56779 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:52:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 56769 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:52:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:05:30 +0300 (GMT+03:00) From: Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] cage im off To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >if one person is interested in music, then they probably don't care whether the music was made yesterday, 40 years ago, or 400 years ago. if another person cares about the present only, then they probably aren't interested in music made yesterday [or earlier]. you completely missed my point witch is that here is to mutch talk over a very narrow field of music nameli cages and xenaxis and stockhousens, i have never read you discuss any other remarcable artist or genere or technique.... so based on your statement i would say that you are only interested in the past, and not in the present... and ofcourse i have listend to many artists and generes and will do it in the future also, but i´m not sticking to past, but heading towards tommorow... and aphex was just a mere example of a great composer, if you fail to see his briliance i doubt you can ever understand cage or some one other... one more thing is the lack of feedback, it was not my intent to provoke a intence discussion, but i asumed some ppl might feel the need to start to argue - to few did, so even if i did not express my point very good i take it as most of you understood what i tryed to achieve and admit that i was right... as i´m reading from the microsound homepage one of the goals is to discuss digital and post-digital music styles... i wonder is that not the future gomes digital not after analog??? and dont start that post-digital means analog again. this list is suposed to discuss curent performances, trade new original ideas, future cages should originate from this list and i´m not telling that theese topics are not beeing discussed, i´m only saying that here the old horse is beeing beaten 80% of the time and new interesting ideas and thoughts are beeing discussed 20% of the time... what has happend to europe now in the post-war times, ppl are collecting more stuff(money, belongings) and thinking less globaly (the majority does so) and less are thinking on sience and the future and developement, many have lost their honour for money and comfort. the same is here, where it is very easy for thinking ppl to discuss past (beat the old horse) rather than greate new ideas(abart form seeing old gurus in new angles) - this is the comfort of thinking. do sth...dont lie to yourselves ....ah what am i trying to achieve here anyways, i apologise for the trouble and unsubscribe have all of you listend to all of the generes and diversitiues of music out there, and trying to understand why it is out there??? oswald grain --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 18:02:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36073-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92165 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:01:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 92128 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:01:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:49 -0700 From: Chandrasekhar Ramakrishnan <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Anthony Braxton In-reply-to: <"Message from microsound-digest-help"@hyperreal.org> "of 02 Jun 2005 17:05:13 -0000." <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> schrieb: > Can someone recommend a good starting place for Anthony Braxton's > music? Everyone has their favorites, but I think the best single Braxton disc to start with is the Quartet (Dortmund) 1976 album. The quartet is first rate, made up of Braxton, George Lewis (trombone), Barry Altshul (drums), Dave Holland (bass); and the CD contains a good mix of pieces -- a couple of longer ones, a couple of shorter ones, so it showcases some of the diversity in his composing. - sekhar -- C. Ramakrishnan xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 18:01:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36072-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91445 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:01:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 91434 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:01:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:30 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Calls for Work and acknowledging receipt of submissions In-reply-to: <008001c5679b$2ee99920$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEC48A5C.E1DE%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <008001c5679b$2ee99920$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i used to get hung up about this. i have sent out dozens upon dozens of demos to probably 50 or so labels, and at best have received responses from less than 10, and none of those were positive in the respect that they wanted their label to have anything to do with my music. it's a very easy subject to rant about, but i try to remember that none of these labels have dedicated staff to listen to every demo they get; there are probably many many discs i've sent out that have never even been put in a CD player. my solution, because what i'm interested in is to share my work not sell it, was to put my music up on a website where people interested could download and listen at will, and without the prejudice of a label. also keep in mind that many labels are also circles of friends and communities, which is a perfectly valid and desirable way to exist. it's also very difficult for any place that receives demo submissions to respond to anyone, because then they'd have to respond to everyone, and it's easier to just use a blanket policy of no feedback/ response. matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 17:47:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36071-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79058 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:47:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 79048 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:47:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:46:39 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Calls for Work and acknowledging receipt of submissions To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <008001c5679b$2ee99920$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEC48A5C.E1DE%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i persist till i get a response. if i don't then i note the person's name, group, label, affiliation and refuse to interact with them in the future. however most folks i send stuff do respond even though they may be overwhelmed, busy, etc. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:05 AM Subject: [microsound] Calls for Work and acknowledging receipt of submissions > Am I the only person wondering why people who ask for artists to submit > work > often don't acknowledge receipt of the work? I'm talking about calls that > have originated on this list amongst others. If you ask for something for > free shouldn't you thank the sender? > > It might be helpful if lists like this had a set of guidelines for those > who > request work with a strong recommendation that submissions are > acknowledged. > The artist sends in the fruits of years of hard work, often following > strict > instructions, then pays for the media and postage which in my case > recently > with multi-channel sound works can be substantial. Call me old fashioned > but I think it's good manners to say "Thanks" and to let the artist know > that the submission has been received. > > It doesn't bother me in the slightest if my work is not suitable for an > event, but I'd like to be able to ascertain whether it actually arrived. > > Any thoughts? > > Sincerely > > Mopani > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 17:35:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36070-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69249 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:34:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 69230 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:34:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:33:58 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage and Aphex Twin, old and new To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006b01c56799$61d54070$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this is my favorite email ( after the story of braxton playing with wolf eyes) in weeks. fractal teleology. thanks maru this starts my day off with a smile robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "chmafu nocords" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage and Aphex Twin, old and new > Oi, > > Isn't it a proven fact that time doesn't exist? > > Isn't it that Aphex Twin wouldn't be possible without John Cage and that > John Cage wouldn't be possible without Aphex Twin? > > Isn't it that this universe is chaotic and fractal? > > And don't we need more Cages and Aphex Twins rather than Nay-sayers of any > kind? > > Love and anarchy, > maru > > -- > chmafu nocords - www.nocords.net > www.cafeshops.com/chmafu_nocords > > supported by SKE > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 17:05:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36069-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48786 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:05:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 48775 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:05:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:05:07 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage and Aphex Twin, old and new In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Isn't it a proven fact that time doesn't exist? Not yet. (Ooh, that's kinda clever) > Isn't it that Aphex Twin wouldn't be possible without John Cage Probably. > and that John Cage wouldn't be possible without Aphex Twin? No. He was possible for quite a while without Aphex Twin. > Isn't it that this universe is chaotic and fractal? Maybe. > And don't we need more Cages and Aphex Twins rather than Nay-sayers of > any kind? They probably wouldn't think so. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 16:58:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36068-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46029 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:58:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 46007 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:58:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:54:40 +0200 From: chmafu nocords <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage and Aphex Twin, old and new In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oi, Isn't it a proven fact that time doesn't exist? Isn't it that Aphex Twin wouldn't be possible without John Cage and that John Cage wouldn't be possible without Aphex Twin? Isn't it that this universe is chaotic and fractal? And don't we need more Cages and Aphex Twins rather than Nay-sayers of any kind? Love and anarchy, maru -- chmafu nocords - www.nocords.net www.cafeshops.com/chmafu_nocords supported by SKE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 07:23:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36062-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9274 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:23:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 9253 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:23:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:27:20 -0700 From: peewee <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] gig question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002601c5678f$f34ad880$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PI+1+N8ikzSbrwJZj/zEYg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_PI+1+N8ikzSbrwJZj/zEYg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all i have one question about organising gigs im going to holand mid jun/begining of july ill be playing live in intro (www.stichtingintro.nl) in maastricht under name evey kid on speed (glitch/cutup) and sound_00 (noise/ambient/drone) plus more dancey dj set so im searching for more places and venues in holand to play while im there also i may travel to other europe countries as germany (to berlin for sure) and possible france if i find place to paly so if u know some organisers, promoters, places please or u r organising something please contact me asap off list xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx u can find more info bio and disco on www.acidfake.tk thanx all best --Boundary_(ID_PI+1+N8ikzSbrwJZj/zEYg)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 15:24:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36067-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95920 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:24:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 95901 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:24:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:24:09 -0500 From: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] WARNING: BOLD STATEMENT AHEAD In-reply-to: <x.x.x.xx.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XymV5HJDf/v1OCyEnhArc94PrBjnligQA/nFA/1036Sb8LspUA2Rkh1Ts7lFb+72+pFy+Mx04hykxEAIlPcSjITCh3YSxioLTi3dtD4XXGtTcfc/K0DYpIMNbTSNU7ifxVhOOx86iYqOkc+MWRdBh80O+vN+q/THIUPbiHgQNR4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <x.x.x.xx.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i recently painted my studio in a nice purple eggshell with behr paint. quite lovely. On 5/31/05, david turgeon <xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > the aesthetic advancement and future of painting resides in... paint. > > have a nice day > ~ david -- v' ---------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/d4cvc http://www.oblast.net http://yatswuestling.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 14:47:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36066-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79543 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:47:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 79532 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:46:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:46:58 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jLit9phBYrjq1C7lzJKBd49UldXhxKLod3zhbq7/ThcN7qkKzimcaO/F7gI5qgxwbj+6P6lNJ8N3uvSUfVZqvkc0dcPWgzzeawVyAWEijYoGNr0g2tjVqtR9QzYQlGhCsnYl+ADMNU0I6XBk+k6kFl70ljypQ7KnEXan2T2/ydo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 6/1/05, Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote: > lets discuss what is happening now... but wait you actually are not able to, > because you live in the past and fail to see the present nor the future... hmm ... [marge simpson growl] just because someone knows or talks about cage doesn't mean they live in the past. and i have yet to met anyone who can see into the future .... if one person is interested in music, then they probably don't care whether the music was made yesterday, 40 years ago, or 400 years ago. if another person cares about the present only, then they probably aren't interested in music made yesterday [or earlier]. can these two people exist on the same email list? maybe ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 10:13:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36065-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64491 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:13:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 64480 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:13:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:13:35 +0200 (MEST) From: Bas Van Heur <xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Article on Circuit Bending To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #17505637 X-Flags: 0001 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello all, For those who can speak Dutch, I wrote an article on Circuit Bending, which has been published at cut.up.magazine. please check: http://www.cut-up.com/news/detail.php?sid=394 best, bas -- Weitersagen: GMX DSL-Flatrates mit Tempo-Garantie! 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Thu Jun 2 09:52:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36064-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55839 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:52:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 55828 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:52:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:52:02 +0100 From: Peter Coyte <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Calls for Work and acknowledging receipt of submissions In-reply-to: <BEC48A5C.E1DE%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEC48A5C.E1DE%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This relates to the wider subject of using artists as cheap labour posing as 'opportunities' for artists. There's so many people making sonic art that there will always be people willing to share and give away their work but the energy and money invested is often just taken without consideration. On 2 Jun 2005, at 10:05, <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Am I the only person wondering why people who ask for artists to > submit work > often don't acknowledge receipt of the work? I'm talking about calls > that > have originated on this list amongst others. If you ask for something > for > free shouldn't you thank the sender? > > It might be helpful if lists like this had a set of guidelines for > those who > request work with a strong recommendation that submissions are > acknowledged. > The artist sends in the fruits of years of hard work, often following > strict > instructions, then pays for the media and postage which in my case > recently > with multi-channel sound works can be substantial. Call me old > fashioned > but I think it's good manners to say "Thanks" and to let the artist > know > that the submission has been received. > > It doesn't bother me in the slightest if my work is not suitable for an > event, but I'd like to be able to ascertain whether it actually > arrived. > > Any thoughts? > > Sincerely > > Mopani > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 09:05:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36063-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33038 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:05:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 33026 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:05:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:05:16 +0100 From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx Subject: [microsound] Calls for Work and acknowledging receipt of submissions In-reply-to: <BEAE784B.1F3B6%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BEC48A5C.E1DE%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Am I the only person wondering why people who ask for artists to submit work often don't acknowledge receipt of the work? I'm talking about calls that have originated on this list amongst others. If you ask for something for free shouldn't you thank the sender? It might be helpful if lists like this had a set of guidelines for those who request work with a strong recommendation that submissions are acknowledged. The artist sends in the fruits of years of hard work, often following strict instructions, then pays for the media and postage which in my case recently with multi-channel sound works can be substantial. Call me old fashioned but I think it's good manners to say "Thanks" and to let the artist know that the submission has been received. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if my work is not suitable for an event, but I'd like to be able to ascertain whether it actually arrived. Any thoughts? Sincerely Mopani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 05:28:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36061-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76249 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:28:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 76238 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:28:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hQ5X+CSXmx5zBu3g7yr/HaHD14FhbBw+smNrUCv/KJS6Yk2F5tHw0XeG6/AhQQsYiOAZS9OglynkEHjLXQAqLDOLC6cxcZR6azQfV7lSZmeL2oqdkR8d7qDmNyNL9ZRQ4KcIiT7x/yX0Jnr4kI50hGZdMUUpbkWJFBKqJsll134= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >There are a couple items at work here. First off, >issues of sound >quality >and "pre-laid" DJ sets, both these items are not items >that should be >held >against the concept of digital medium, as they are >nearly the result of >choices made by the "DJ". Hey! I love the concept of the digital medium, and use it all the time, just not at the center of a dj set (at least not yet). It wasn't the concept i was critiquing, but the current "dj" situation wherein you see vinyl nearly eliminated from sets. >All it takes is for someone to put wavs/aiffs >or >even 320kbps mp3 into their libraries instead of low >grade audio, Sure, but what dj has the time to record all the material that may be of use at some point into aiff /wav files or high grade mp3? Yes, it can be done. And I know one very $uccesful dj who did take his whole record collection and do that. (paid a hefty sum to do it). Hats off to those who are doing this work.. __________ I don't know if the word dynamic comes to mind so much when you think about/remember/experience a loop-based set... And that's because they often aren't . The software doesn't really breathe that way. You could fight it, but it would certainly take some work to do so.. Should be done, yes. Hats off to those who fightg the power. Anyhow, I have been to some pretty fun loop-based sets (almost all using Live, btw)... Not as great as vinyl-based great sets.. but hey! ;) >The problem with vinyl is that it's so limiting in >terms of what source >material is available Sources are endless in a certain way. Anyhow, I don't see the dj software, that exists and all the hype around its "breakthru", doing alot for dj music *right now*, as it is. For loop-based dance sets, yes, it has opened that up to take center stage and move the feet, as well as be really good for ambient sets. How "deep" such loop-based sets go is another question (being enslaved, as loop-based sets often are, to beat-matching, can create a kind of chugging whirlwind bacbone to The Beat... but depth aside from ambient sets?...). Whether this can be used well in a context other then ambient sets and/or primarily techno or flavors there of, is something yet to be written... I think for now, in terms of dj'ing hybriding is the only route. And so, jettisoning vinyl from this scene, seems regressive to music, to me. - A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 04:34:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36060-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61636 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:34:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 61626 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:34:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:13 -0400 From: billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=uVhZV11Glc4CaVEnPh5S38SVkJXUEOMYu8sfYk0Kfcymnxb9JWzKBMoEfybY5opaawjqLEgdikEKbMTMzvE6bJHiVgiSeokK9FJf8IAjPWERDnQjJnpjl55tLdzbXUDmdGCoY9OSi6ZjXMzLPnKdVRQSedWjGbFqA/DrUHlazcc= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ditto. i'm as excited about the fact that braxton i still thinking so hard as imagining what that sounded like. On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:36 PM, scott allison wrote: > totally totally agree with you. > > ------------------ > people breaking down genre and categories > instead of reinforcing them. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 03:50:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36059-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41626 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:50:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 41615 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:50:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:49:37 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] old and new was Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aleks vasic wrote: > Woah! Settle down. > > Everyone appreciates different things. There is room for everything > on this list if people can grow from the discussions. > > Age does not predicate one interest's and ideologies. > > Maybe it is a point of reference thing and you assume everyone thinks > like you... > > aLEKs I concur, aLEKs. Also, we need balance ie to appreciate the old *and* the new, too. Additionally, if we don't keep the memory of the old, it gets forgotten and that would be a horrible shame. I was lucky enough to interview Morton Subotnick a few years back for my syndicated net/radio show (an example of the "old") and his zest and vibrancy and interest in the *new* and progressing was remarkable even over a long distance phone line. I had wanted to talk to him about his pioneering albums from many years back, and we ended up only talking about the exciting new projects he was working on. Who's to say Cage wouldn't be doing incredible new things if he were still alive and able? Let's not knock talk of the pioneers. If people are leaving the list because of too much talk of the old, let them go, IMO. Andrew > > > On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Oswald Grain wrote: > >> >> cage AGAIN ??? sorry for bad language, but wtf riily ppl, >> go creat a separate list only for cage and xenaksis. >> dont you understand here are younger ppl than 40 also, >> i dont give a s$£@@€ bout cage. but i also dont force you >> to understand why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in >> our time. >> >> i am asking where is the world going if ppl like kim cascone and the >> like are >> the great mentors who are teatching others bout microsound and >> electronic music >> only pased on a narrow wiev (cage and the old school ppl). i think >> some of you fail to see the new inovative things nowadays and only >> discuss the GREAT effects of cages and xenaksis tunes, sure they made >> a great effort, but thats soooo long ago, lets discuss what is >> happening now... but wait you actually are not able to, because you >> live in the past and fail to see the present nor the future... >> >> i know theese are wery disturbing and bald words by me but hey sb has >> to talk some sence to you... i have found it very interesting to read >> some discussions and to listen to the projects that were (not anymore >> as i see), and some links are supperb, but the old ppl have taken >> over to greatly... >> >> just wanting to save a great list, because i know lot of ppl who have >> left this list cause of your dead horse beating... >> >> oswald grain > -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Thu Jun 2 03:30:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36058-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33382 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:30:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 33372 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:30:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Grenier <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Cage's 0'00"... Aphex Twin In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here's a short extract from an article on Drukqs: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4270259,00.html --- True enough, on Drukqs there are feats of micro-programming and virtuoso editing to make the mind boggle. But is this technique for technique's sake, a triumph of speed-prowess over content? "It's quite similar to guitar solos," he concedes, "only with programming you have to use your brain. The most important thing is that it should have some emotional effect on me, rather than just, 'Oh, that's really clever.' There's a lot of melancholy in my tracks." His best ones, he says, are those which evoke feelings that can't quite be described, where "you're not quite sure what emotion it is". --- A lot of AFX's success has(d?) to do with the twisted romantic, nihilist, prodigious legendary image that's been built around his character, up to the point where it complements his music. It really has some magnetic effect of "i wanna be like you", thus the multiple faces in Cunningham's clips... at least that's my interpretation. Plus his music delivers the promised quality (or cleverly targeted?) cheesiness and warmth that's kinda rare in techno-pop. There's all kinds of reasons for his success, but AFX's an unreasonable man. Now here's a quote from a George Bernard Shaw guy I don't know at all : "Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men." That statement may be a symptomatic of a bad social condition. " James describes himself as "a really well-balanced person". The media image of the demented raver who DJs with sandpaper discs "was made up because I didn't want to come across as average and boring". He has even thought about having kids, though not just yet: "I'm only terrifying to people who are nasty to me." The fact is, no one becomes this successful, this far-reachingly influential, by behaving like a loon. "You can't just make good art these days," is his parting bit of advice to all those Aphex wannabes out there. "You've got to be a good businessman. I'm good at psychology - I can see how to play certain situations. I'm a good chess player. You've got to recognise all the possibilities." " (from the guardian's article) Madness sells, and the focus on the artist is often more direct in popular music than in other areas of music where the art is central. That may be a topic better suited for the IDM list, which after all was created right after the release of Artificial Intelligence on which Richard James is featured as Polygon Window, but still, there's a certain part of glitch in his music. "From the mid-1990s forward, the glitch aesthetic appeared in various sub-genres, including drum‘n’bass, drill’n’bass, and trip-hop. Artists such as Aphex Twin, LTJ Bukem, Omni Trio, Wagon Christ, and Goldie were experimenting with all sorts of manipulation in the digital domain." [Cascone - Aesthetics of failure.pdf] And before you can call Aphex Twin the new Beethoven or Mozart, you should know those composers well, otherwise, it's just a way to say he kicks asses. Mozart and Beethoven were "child prodigies", like James in a whole different context. About the music, I could't compare since I just don't know traditionnal music theory, but I know there's a huge gap between a rave and a classical concert. I guess innovation is not James' mantra, he's not much into musical theories as he is into publicity... but as far as I'm concerned, he does kick asses, especially sheeps' asses with his tank. --- Richard Kamerman <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> a écrit : > Seriously, man. No need to get pissed off because > the community generates a broad range of discussion. > To address the under 40 jab, I'm only 20 but I > understand the genius of men like Cage and > Stockhausen, and Subotnick and honestly don't quite > get the excitement over Aphex Twin and their like. > > However, that doesn't mean I don't want to learn. > If you're going to fuel a long interesting > discussion on the innovations of Aphex Twin I'm sure > plenty of people would participate and plenty of > people would learn from it and people like me just > might develop a newfound love for the music through > the new understanding. Likewise, there's likely a > lot you could learn from this discussion if you > would open up your mind. > > I believe firmly in the use of technology as the > future of musical innovation but that does not mean > that works that implement acoustic instruments > should be disregarded. Quite frankly, the fact that > you would consider Xenakis for one so old-school > that he's are already outdated and usless scares me > a bit. > > -R. > > Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote: > > cage AGAIN ??? sorry for bad language, but wtf riily > ppl, > go creat a separate list only for cage and xenaksis. > dont you understand here are younger ppl than 40 > also, > i dont give a s$£@@€ bout cage. but i also dont > force you > to understand why aphex twin is called the > equiwalent of bethohwen in our time. > > i am asking where is the world going if ppl like kim > cascone and the like are > the great mentors who are teatching others bout > microsound and electronic music > only pased on a narrow wiev (cage and the old school > ppl). i think some of you fail to see the new > inovative things nowadays and only discuss the GREAT > effects of cages and xenaksis tunes, sure they made > a great effort, but thats soooo long ago, lets > discuss what is happening now... but wait you > actually are not able to, because you live in the > past and fail to see the present nor the future... > > i know theese are wery disturbing and bald words by > me but hey sb has to talk some sence to you... i > have found it very interesting to read some > discussions and to listen to the projects that were > (not anymore as i see), and some links are supperb, > but the old ppl have taken over to greatly... > > just wanting to save a great list, because i know > lot of ppl who have left this list cause of your > dead horse beating... > > oswald grain > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > "Yesterday is history. > Tomorrow is a mystery. > And today? Today is a gift. > That's why we call it the present." > > - Babatunde Olatunji - > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://mail.yahoo.fr --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 02:50:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36057-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18975 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:50:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 18965 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:50:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:51:32 -0500 From: Jonathan Zorn <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Anthony Braxton In-reply-to: <001201c5671c$e84e06a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001201c5671c$e84e06a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If you are interested in Braxton's philosophical work you should get a copy of the triaxium writings. Frog Peak publishes the Triaxium writings as well as his composition notes. here is a link http://www.frogpeak.org/fpartists/fpbraxton.html jonathan On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Randal Davis wrote: > Glad to see interest on the list in the great music of Anthony Braxton. > > Of particular interest to microsounders might be his collaborations > with Richard Teitelbaum - Time Zones, Open Aspects, and Live at Merkin > Hall. Braxton, as usual, on a variety of reeds, Teitelbaum doing live > electronics (Moog modular and, more recently, a very innovative > computer controlled setup. > > Time Zones is available as a nice Black Lion reissue, combined with > Silence, an early trio session with Leroy Jenkins and Leo Smith. > Also, there is a great duet with Teitelbaum on New York, Fall 1974 > which is a great intro - a number of different ensembles and contexts. > > Graham Lock's Forces In Motion is a very good, though now somewhat out > of date, introduction to his life and works. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 02:44:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36056-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16369 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:44:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 16357 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:44:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:43:49 -0400 From: Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Anthony Braxton To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001201c5671c$e84e06a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AraW8fQwLbJDbvQBD1ysNA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_AraW8fQwLbJDbvQBD1ysNA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to see interest on the list in the great music of Anthony Braxton. Of particular interest to microsounders might be his collaborations with Richard Teitelbaum - Time Zones, Open Aspects, and Live at Merkin Hall. Braxton, as usual, on a variety of reeds, Teitelbaum doing live electronics (Moog modular and, more recently, a very innovative computer controlled setup. Time Zones is available as a nice Black Lion reissue, combined with Silence, an early trio session with Leroy Jenkins and Leo Smith. Also, there is a great duet with Teitelbaum on New York, Fall 1974 which is a great intro - a number of different ensembles and contexts. Graham Lock's Forces In Motion is a very good, though now somewhat out of date, introduction to his life and works. --Boundary_(ID_AraW8fQwLbJDbvQBD1ysNA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 02:25:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36055-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8658 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:24:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 8647 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:24:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:23:49 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002f01c5671a$3a40c0e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <005b01c56704$4a6c9f90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx by no means a definitive list he has 300 records or so solo on delmark. the first solo sax record new york fall 1974 with dave holland and jerome cooper and others the 2 with leo smith and leroy jenkins on Byg any of the ghost dance pieces five pieces 1975 six compositions(GTM) 2001 with gino robair and dan plonsey etc that is a start robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Carver" <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf > I'd also be interested if someone could post a shortlist of Braxton for > beginners. I'm very interested in his work, and I've made several > attempts to dive in, but I've never felt as if I've really engaged with > it (at least, not to a degree that I'm really getting much out of it). > > - Scott C. > > On Jun 1, 2005, at 6:48 PM, erik schoster wrote: > >> Can someone recommend a good starting place for Anthony Braxton's >> music? His name seems to keep coming up, and this encounter with wolf >> eyes is the last straw, I'd like to hear his music. Also, does anyone >> know anything more about his personal philosophy etc? "I have no >> desire to extend American hegemony" [and adopt the title of 'jazz >> musician'] has me interested with a big right on... Seems like a very >> interesting guy, I'm missing out. >> >> best, >> erik >> >> -- >> he can jog: www.hecanjog.com >> cedar a.v.: www.cedarav.com >> luv sound: www.luvsound.org >> thewordsofanoak.blogspot.com >> >> he can jog full length out now on fork series records: >> http://www.forkseries.com >> >> Switches and Intricate Maximals comps out now on Audiobulb Records >> http://www.audiobulb.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 02:19:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36054-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5666 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:19:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 5655 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:19:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: digital (was Make your own vinyl) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pIVLb2p1OrDICfI7QQuscfKXOzy5NISejq8wbKmLlF389WjPZkiPKfFUzdO3Py0vrBPoiQEyPGJApJ2VxUT9VMLbp/dAsz40+OltXsqpk65Vxmv5H7+MEaQDoMFdjmt+PqMMbWELmdwAqRkQFhL2MF4Te9fiSLGXcgJ3tH2cLcU= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think we're in the middle of a format war. Various interests are aggressively lobbying for the support of their musical format or medium, whether it be .aiff or .mp3, mac or pc, final scratch or ms pinky. Saddest thing is that it can really abstract a certain tactile, experiencial aspect of music, regardless of genre. Interesting article in the New Yorker this week by Alex Ross about a new book by Mark Katz "Capturing Sound: How Technology Has Changed Music". The piece begins with a quote from John Phillip Sousa who said back in tha' day that "The time is coming when no one will be ready to submit himself to the ennobling discipline of learning music"..."Everyone will have their read made or ready pirated (<-?!) music." The article goes on to reflect on how technological innovations have quite drastically changed the way music is performed (case in point, violin vibrato became much more prevalent in classical recordings because the vibrato made the violin sound better on vinyl). So, for me, the issue isnt about the software or hardware, but how those innovations are going to change the nature of music and in the case of Final Scratch, the nature of dj'ing. Personally, I think dj'ing is still in its infancy as a popularized musical form. Few years from now we might look at hours of logged dj sets like ennumerable rock albums from the 60s-90s, or blues and jazz records from earlier decades. For me, computers are an excellent tool for making and recording music, but ultimately the quality of music resides in the artists individual skill and vision. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 02:05:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36053-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99078 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:05:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 99068 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:05:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:04:58 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Make your own laser vinyl In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've heard that it's /extremely/ sensitive to dust/dirt/whatnot in the record, to a point that can make it difficult for ordinary play. But as a tool for preservation, it's probably a godsend (if you trust digital to preserve music, which is another issue entirely). - Scott C. On Jun 1, 2005, at 2:40 PM, graham miller wrote: > that's really amazing... i want one to play my two records on! > > Mika Martini wrote: > >> and this? digital or analog? >> >> http://www.audioturntable.com/index.html >> >> mika.- >> >> + + + + + + + + + + + + + >> [M!M] [CHILE] >> [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Correo Yahoo! >> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! >> Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 01:59:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36052-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96164 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:59:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 96153 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:59:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:58:54 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <005b01c56704$4a6c9f90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'd also be interested if someone could post a shortlist of Braxton for beginners. I'm very interested in his work, and I've made several attempts to dive in, but I've never felt as if I've really engaged with it (at least, not to a degree that I'm really getting much out of it). - Scott C. On Jun 1, 2005, at 6:48 PM, erik schoster wrote: > Can someone recommend a good starting place for Anthony Braxton's > music? His name seems to keep coming up, and this encounter with wolf > eyes is the last straw, I'd like to hear his music. Also, does anyone > know anything more about his personal philosophy etc? "I have no > desire to extend American hegemony" [and adopt the title of 'jazz > musician'] has me interested with a big right on... Seems like a very > interesting guy, I'm missing out. > > best, > erik > > -- > he can jog: www.hecanjog.com > cedar a.v.: www.cedarav.com > luv sound: www.luvsound.org > thewordsofanoak.blogspot.com > > he can jog full length out now on fork series records: > http://www.forkseries.com > > Switches and Intricate Maximals comps out now on Audiobulb Records > http://www.audiobulb.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 01:48:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36051-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89925 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:48:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 89914 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:48:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:48:28 -0500 From: erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cupPql+FCBy2FKGMLFozl31YzM6eSpdMMjEyMHitya9SdMqBYH6D+qs7qrqGK4Tvhgd4mBB/VTnBVeP77u0IQCaoTy8SiRmfBi7eOrigUYfpAE2CwClDzIOdIK4/UARpV18aTD36yxwdi+Kdb/z2zSeVR1YWJbBdFynzNW3v+hI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <005b01c56704$4a6c9f90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Can someone recommend a good starting place for Anthony Braxton's music? His name seems to keep coming up, and this encounter with wolf eyes is the last straw, I'd like to hear his music. Also, does anyone know anything more about his personal philosophy etc? "I have no desire to extend American hegemony" [and adopt the title of 'jazz musician'] has me interested with a big right on... Seems like a very interesting guy, I'm missing out. best, erik -- he can jog: www.hecanjog.com cedar a.v.: www.cedarav.com luv sound: www.luvsound.org thewordsofanoak.blogspot.com he can jog full length out now on fork series records: http://www.forkseries.com Switches and Intricate Maximals comps out now on Audiobulb Records http://www.audiobulb.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 00:36:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36050-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63260 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 63250 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:47 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf In-reply-to: <005b01c56704$4a6c9f90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.208] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2005 00:36:47.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[28BD1A30:01C5670B] totally totally agree with you. ------------------ people breaking down genre and categories instead of reinforcing them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jun 2 00:15:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36049-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50546 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:15:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 50536 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:15:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Kamerman <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YyvDVVYP5dTPZur0Sa60vA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TA840pO9ZKoxdg+pggUosWSegpcE0rKaC7nk8ez9wB2KUGvbu82D0BD99QL1PrSSMiMfKfiF7lsVvqVF/2yElyaF/LRIgL/ef8G/1CwADX/qerSl48eUUiUvihSSbfTJNGKkwNtqI/u3LydHrLyjmhfKO0XnCwRBmjKWrCta2Ls= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YyvDVVYP5dTPZur0Sa60vA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Seriously, man. No need to get pissed off because the community generates a broad range of discussion. To address the under 40 jab, I'm only 20 but I understand the genius of men like Cage and Stockhausen, and Subotnick and honestly don't quite get the excitement over Aphex Twin and their like. However, that doesn't mean I don't want to learn. If you're going to fuel a long interesting discussion on the innovations of Aphex Twin I'm sure plenty of people would participate and plenty of people would learn from it and people like me just might develop a newfound love for the music through the new understanding. Likewise, there's likely a lot you could learn from this discussion if you would open up your mind. I believe firmly in the use of technology as the future of musical innovation but that does not mean that works that implement acoustic instruments should be disregarded. Quite frankly, the fact that you would consider Xenakis for one so old-school that he's are already outdated and usless scares me a bit. -R. Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote: cage AGAIN ??? sorry for bad language, but wtf riily ppl, go creat a separate list only for cage and xenaksis. dont you understand here are younger ppl than 40 also, i dont give a s$£@@€ bout cage. but i also dont force you to understand why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in our time. i am asking where is the world going if ppl like kim cascone and the like are the great mentors who are teatching others bout microsound and electronic music only pased on a narrow wiev (cage and the old school ppl). i think some of you fail to see the new inovative things nowadays and only discuss the GREAT effects of cages and xenaksis tunes, sure they made a great effort, but thats soooo long ago, lets discuss what is happening now... but wait you actually are not able to, because you live in the past and fail to see the present nor the future... i know theese are wery disturbing and bald words by me but hey sb has to talk some sence to you... i have found it very interesting to read some discussions and to listen to the projects that were (not anymore as i see), and some links are supperb, but the old ppl have taken over to greatly... just wanting to save a great list, because i know lot of ppl who have left this list cause of your dead horse beating... oswald grain --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --Boundary_(ID_YyvDVVYP5dTPZur0Sa60vA)-- From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 23:48:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36048-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39035 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:47:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 39023 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:47:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:46:26 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <005b01c56704$4a6c9f90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks for forwarding this is exciting to see people breaking down genre and categories instead of reinforcing them. i wish i could of seen wolf eyes with braxton. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott allison" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf > http://www.zoilus.com/documents/in_depth/2005/000446.shtml#more > > Fuck wish I was there for this one. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 23:42:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36047-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35791 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:42:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 35781 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:42:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:42:21 +0200 From: Massimiliano Viel <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cage was the aphex........ In-reply-to: <003801c56702$9006fde0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06210210bec3f8328736@[1.255.244.143]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <003801c56702$9006fde0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>I want to know "why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in >>>our time." > >that could be considered an insult in some quarters. for both! but not in the same quarter... -- M a s s i m i l i a n o V i e l http://www.maxviel.it http://www.otolab.net/projects/sn/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 23:40:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36046-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33687 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:40:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 33677 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:40:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:38:49 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bethohwens rocks. i have the live from bethlehem album. Doran Massey wrote: > I want to know "why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in > > our time." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 23:35:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36045-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30933 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:35:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 30920 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:35:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:34:17 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] cage was the aphex........ To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003801c56702$9006fde0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >I want to know "why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in >> our time." that could be considered an insult in some quarters. r --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 23:13:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36044-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22174 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:13:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 22162 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:13:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:13:16 -0400 From: Doran Massey <xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Sender: xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2005 23:13:21.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[8120C7F0:01C566FF] I want to know "why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in > our time." Seems an odd reference to argue against Cage & Xenakis discussions, so I'd like to hear more about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "aleks vasic" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" Woah! Settle down. Everyone appreciates different things. There is room for everything on this list if people can grow from the discussions. Age does not predicate one interest's and ideologies. Maybe it is a point of reference thing and you assume everyone thinks like you... aLEKs On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Oswald Grain wrote: > > cage AGAIN ??? sorry for bad language, but wtf riily ppl, > go creat a separate list only for cage and xenaksis. > dont you understand here are younger ppl than 40 also, > i dont give a s$£@@€ bout cage. but i also dont force you > to understand why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in our > time. > > i am asking where is the world going if ppl like kim cascone and the like > are > the great mentors who are teatching others bout microsound and electronic > music > only pased on a narrow wiev (cage and the old school ppl). i think some of > you fail to see the new inovative things nowadays and only discuss the > GREAT effects of cages and xenaksis tunes, sure they made a great effort, > but thats soooo long ago, lets discuss what is happening now... but wait > you actually are not able to, because you live in the past and fail to see > the present nor the future... > > i know theese are wery disturbing and bald words by me but hey sb has to > talk some sence to you... i have found it very interesting to read some > discussions and to listen to the projects that were (not anymore as i > see), and some links are supperb, but the old ppl have taken over to > greatly... > > just wanting to save a great list, because i know lot of ppl who have left > this list cause of your dead horse beating... > > oswald grain > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 22:51:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36042-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10501 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:51:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 10491 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:51:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:04:25 +0300 (GMT+03:00) From: Oswald Grain <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx cage AGAIN ??? sorry for bad language, but wtf riily ppl, go creat a separate list only for cage and xenaksis. dont you understand here are younger ppl than 40 also, i dont give a s$£@@€ bout cage. but i also dont force you to understand why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in our time. i am asking where is the world going if ppl like kim cascone and the like are the great mentors who are teatching others bout microsound and electronic music only pased on a narrow wiev (cage and the old school ppl). i think some of you fail to see the new inovative things nowadays and only discuss the GREAT effects of cages and xenaksis tunes, sure they made a great effort, but thats soooo long ago, lets discuss what is happening now... but wait you actually are not able to, because you live in the past and fail to see the present nor the future... i know theese are wery disturbing and bald words by me but hey sb has to talk some sence to you... i have found it very interesting to read some discussions and to listen to the projects that were (not anymore as i see), and some links are supperb, but the old ppl have taken over to greatly... just wanting to save a great list, because i know lot of ppl who have left this list cause of your dead horse beating... oswald grain --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 23:00:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36043-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15619 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 15584 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:00:34 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Woah! Settle down. Everyone appreciates different things. There is room for everything on this list if people can grow from the discussions. Age does not predicate one interest's and ideologies. Maybe it is a point of reference thing and you assume everyone thinks like you... aLEKs On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Oswald Grain wrote: > > cage AGAIN ??? sorry for bad language, but wtf riily ppl, > go creat a separate list only for cage and xenaksis. > dont you understand here are younger ppl than 40 also, > i dont give a s$£@@€ bout cage. but i also dont force you > to understand why aphex twin is called the equiwalent of bethohwen in > our time. > > i am asking where is the world going if ppl like kim cascone and the > like are > the great mentors who are teatching others bout microsound and > electronic music > only pased on a narrow wiev (cage and the old school ppl). i think > some of you fail to see the new inovative things nowadays and only > discuss the GREAT effects of cages and xenaksis tunes, sure they made > a great effort, but thats soooo long ago, lets discuss what is > happening now... but wait you actually are not able to, because you > live in the past and fail to see the present nor the future... > > i know theese are wery disturbing and bald words by me but hey sb has > to talk some sence to you... i have found it very interesting to read > some discussions and to listen to the projects that were (not anymore > as i see), and some links are supperb, but the old ppl have taken over > to greatly... > > just wanting to save a great list, because i know lot of ppl who have > left this list cause of your dead horse beating... > > oswald grain > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 22:08:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36040-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91230 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:08:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 91203 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:08:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Cordell Klier <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] WARNING: BOLD STATEMENT AHEAD In-reply-to: <x.x.x.xx.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VWPcFGncbW9Puveo76H7pUFj9PCshrgD3e/nZ6j7xREkTDvG+uMP+A6deM6MP2+zOUN9HO/E3/32FFuqiO0hdeT8zTfnZzdutfr/XZ2iVz50KLD5Gdpkbj+H268R7jMJuql18xmvMp3MHjnzUFhYg35rWjNlzRZtosKauDXiOR0= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- david turgeon <xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > the aesthetic advancement and future of > painting resides in... paint. > > have a nice day > ~ david > ....LOL.... noooooaaauw.... reeeeealleeeey. *wink* Cordell ps - although, the future "exists" unrealized with ever "new" advancement in "re-search". ....thus you "might be" in err. :P pps - "places too many annoying quotes" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 22:09:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36041-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92943 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:09:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 92917 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:09:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:05:58 +0200 From: chmafu nocords <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Cage's 0'00" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000301c5662b$aaf92a10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <004601c566c8$08611680$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, A link to some interesting infos on Cage's 0'00": http://list.mail.virginia.edu/pipermail/silence/2003-September/000559.html "Cage performed at Brandeis University (May 5, 1965) answering correspondence" Hm...... And we discuss if laptop performers actually perform on stage or only do some e-mailing instead. :-)) To be serious...... I remember that Cage wrote a third "silent" piece. And he stated in an interview that these three pieces are "silent" for different reasons. I just don't remember the details. Does anyone here? Anarchy, maru -- chmafu nocords - www.nocords.net www.cafeshops.com/chmafu_nocords supported by SKE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 21:47:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36039-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76838 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:47:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 76828 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:47:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:47:09 -0500 From: Kevin Wehner <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcVmWb2oC2J9RJ4nR4y99fTa2J85IgAmM5wQ Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I copied the below from a tech newsletter I subscribe too - I thought the microsound group might find it of interest. Vinyl anachronists who've refused to digitize their collections, citing the inferior quality of bits versus grooves, might want to pay a visit to the Lawrence Berkeley National Labs, where two enterprising scientists have developed a novel means of making perfect digital reproductions of vinyl recordings -- with the same technology used to search for the Higgs boson. Discovery News (circa 2004, yes, I know) explains: "A powerful microscope called a SmartScope with a digital camera collects images of the groove patterns on records or cylinders, which rest on a table moved with precision motors. A computer program allows the microscope/camera combo to travel forward along the grooves until it reaches the end of the recording. The captured image pattern transfers to a computer that translates the tiny, millimeter-sized lines into sound." It's a fascinating technique and one that could preserve the thousands of aging vinyl and cylinder recordings in the Library of Congress. "There are many promising aspects of the research being conducted at the Lawrence Berkeley Labs," Sam Brylawski, head of the recorded sound section of the library's Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division, told Discovery News back in 2004. "One is the development of non-contact playback of fragile sound recordings. Not only cylinders, but radio transcription discs and 78-rpm shellac pressings. If their work pans out to enable efficient and accurate transfers, we will be able to hear broken recordings; be able to restore deteriorating recordings without the addition of digital audio 'artifacts'; and play back obsolete formats without having to acquire or restore specialized machines and identify highly trained, i.e. costly, specialized engineers." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 21:41:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36038-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72852 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:41:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 72842 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:41:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:40:30 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Make your own laser vinyl To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that's really amazing... i want one to play my two records on! Mika Martini wrote: > and this? digital or analog? > > http://www.audioturntable.com/index.html > > mika.- > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + > [M!M] [CHILE] > [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 20:29:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36037-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14249 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:29:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 14238 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:29:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:29:08 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Braxton and the Wolf In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2005 20:29:08.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[90172950:01C566E8] http://www.zoilus.com/documents/in_depth/2005/000446.shtml#more Fuck wish I was there for this one. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 17:44:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36036-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32512 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:44:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 32502 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:44:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:44:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Period In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, that's a silly thing to say. My first response is that if email discussion groups like this one existed 15 years ago, someboday would have said with the same conviction that the future of all music resides in triumphant guitar shredding period. Yes, computer and digital technology is wonderful, great for sampling, arrangement, storage and altering sounds. However, the difference between digital music that's aesthetically pleasing than other digital music is not "more technology", it's the decisions made by the goopy brains of the people bossing it around. Throughout this whole "digital everything" excitement of the past few years, there are lots of cases of innovative music and art being made in non-digital means. I don't see a reason for that to stop happening soon. Back to the whole vinyl/cd thing, there are lots of sounds and manipulations that can be made on a turntable other than simply moving the record back and forth at different speeds. That one ability is the only real similarity I see between CD turntables and Vinyl ones. Real turntables can do needle manipulations, skip by dragging the needle across the spiral of the media, and make all sorts of percussion sounds. CD turntables have different settings for playing different speeds (changing the pitch or not), can skip in a different way and are excellent for picking up samples or placing 'cue' marks that can be returned to at any time. To say cd turntables will replace real ones is like saying saxophone sample libraries will replace saxophones. > regardless of the source material (in the case of > bagpipes and acoustic > guitars) or the end media (in the case of analogue > vinyl), the aesthetic > advancement and Future of all immaterial art > (particularly audio and visual > art) resides in computer and digital technology. > period. > > g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 17:11:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36035-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18644 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:11:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 18608 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:11:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:40:05 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <004601c566c8$08611680$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000301c5662b$aaf92a10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <004601c566c8$08611680$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well the actual instruction i think is 'performed a disciplined action at maximum amplification without feedback' or something like that isn't it? On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:35 AM, roberth wrote: > except part of 0"00 is amplification of ordinary activity using > contact microphones. > of course with no power grid we will have to do an acoustic version. > or solar powered version. has any one made solar powerd amplifers yet. > stick em in the sun and plug in. > robert > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:53 AM > Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl > > > >> FWIW, Cage did expand 4'33" in a piece called 0'00" which >> accounts for a disciplined action in the span of however long it >> takes. Essentially any activity can be translated into a >> performance of 0'00", and he referenced it that way too. >> >> On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:49 AM, aleks vasic wrote: >> >> >>> Yeah but how would i sample any of this!;) >>> >>> aLEKs >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 31, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>> As long as we're dismissing the bagpipes and acoustic guitar, we >>>>> should also go ahead and dismiss any sound, percussive or melodic, >>>>> made by any physical object. What does "relevant to the future of >>>>> music" mean? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -The relevancy occurs when the electric power grid stops working... >>>> We all can enact John Cage's 'Silence-4'33'. >>>> Presume the duration will be longer. >>>> Particulary considering our current attitude to precious >>>> Mother Earth, who has had more inhabitants than just Homo Sapiens. >>>> So a nice time is guaranteed for all. >>>> >>>> AvS >>>> >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> ................................................................... >>>> .. >>>> >>>> ` |Schreck >>>> Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + >>>> >>>> ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- >>>> # | >>>> | http:// >>>> www.schreck.nl/ | >>>> | http://www.xs4all.nl/ >>>> ~schreck/ | >>>> ` >>>> *===========================================================++ >>>> ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/ >>>> compo.html | >>>> ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/ >>>> samp.html | >>>> ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/ >>>> pat.html | >>>> ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/ >>>> video.html | >>>> >>>> ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/ >>>> scores.html | >>>> >>>> >>>> *===========================================================++ >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> ................................................................... >>>> .. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 16:36:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36034-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5323 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:36:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 5313 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:36:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:35:24 -0700 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004601c566c8$08611680$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000301c5662b$aaf92a10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx except part of 0"00 is amplification of ordinary activity using contact microphones. of course with no power grid we will have to do an acoustic version. or solar powered version. has any one made solar powerd amplifers yet. stick em in the sun and plug in. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl > FWIW, Cage did expand 4'33" in a piece called 0'00" which accounts for a > disciplined action in the span of however long it takes. Essentially any > activity can be translated into a performance of 0'00", and he referenced > it that way too. > > On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:49 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Yeah but how would i sample any of this!;) >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> >> On May 31, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> >> >>>> As long as we're dismissing the bagpipes and acoustic guitar, we >>>> should also go ahead and dismiss any sound, percussive or melodic, >>>> made by any physical object. What does "relevant to the future of >>>> music" mean? >>>> >>> -The relevancy occurs when the electric power grid stops working... >>> We all can enact John Cage's 'Silence-4'33'. >>> Presume the duration will be longer. >>> Particulary considering our current attitude to precious >>> Mother Earth, who has had more inhabitants than just Homo Sapiens. >>> So a nice time is guaranteed for all. >>> >>> AvS >>> >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> ..................................................................... >>> >>> ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + >>> >>> ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | >>> | http://www.schreck.nl/ | >>> | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | >>> ` *===========================================================++ >>> ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | >>> ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | >>> ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | >>> ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | >>> >>> ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | >>> >>> *===========================================================++ >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> ..................................................................... >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 16:08:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36033-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87985 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:08:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 87975 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:08:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:07:58 -0400 From: Nick S <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Make your own vinyl X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEC2104E.1FCB8%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <a05200f00bec357487679@[192.168.0.100]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2005 16:08:20.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[21480B80:01C566C4] i was actually thinking about those things and edison cylinders after i posted....but i doubt anyone has the equipment or expertise to make those types of recordings these days...and if im not mistaken, those are purely monophonic forms of recording and very very very lo-fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Adam" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] Make your own vinyl > >last i checked, everything has to be recorded electrically...yes you can > >score with pen and paper, but u cannot record. > > > > Not quite everything. IRC Phonographs and graphophones at least were > purely mechanical means of recording. > S. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 15:58:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36032-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79896 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:58:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 79885 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:58:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:58:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Make your own laser vinyl To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vhlhrY1QFiSAp6i462lpHg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2FwgLaAzKN0h5ng3CmGrMEguak8sHeFG2Z6scmnUi8odZ2tiIM4OcadfSYtJNFlBvfdioQuT/SoGYeeYGJlf9A1F998aO4sxcfZ5MV7JjlzEgPykJqtR56D5RxLJYwOqeXV1ufFXMo1AHgL0rQpsLi6rx5d4vR18dDsyqCGqsyw= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vhlhrY1QFiSAp6i462lpHg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit and this? digital or analog? http://www.audioturntable.com/index.html mika.- + + + + + + + + + + + + + [M!M] [CHILE] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! 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Wed Jun 1 15:16:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36031-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64268 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:16:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 64248 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:16:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:16:09 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000301c5662b$aaf92a10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I meant when the power grid fails, but that makes your response that much more applicable... aLEKs On Jun 1, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Mr.D wrote: > FWIW, Cage did expand 4'33" in a piece called 0'00" which accounts for > a disciplined action in the span of however long it takes. Essentially > any activity can be translated into a performance of 0'00", and he > referenced it that way too. > > On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:49 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Yeah but how would i sample any of this!;) >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> >> On May 31, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> >> >>>> As long as we're dismissing the bagpipes and acoustic guitar, we >>>> should also go ahead and dismiss any sound, percussive or melodic, >>>> made by any physical object. What does "relevant to the future of >>>> music" mean? >>>> >>> -The relevancy occurs when the electric power grid stops working... >>> We all can enact John Cage's 'Silence-4'33'. >>> Presume the duration will be longer. >>> Particulary considering our current attitude to precious >>> Mother Earth, who has had more inhabitants than just Homo Sapiens. >>> So a nice time is guaranteed for all. >>> >>> AvS >>> >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> ..................................................................... >>> >>> ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + >>> >>> ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | >>> | http://www.schreck.nl/ | >>> | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | >>> ` *===========================================================++ >>> ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | >>> ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | >>> ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | >>> ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | >>> >>> ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | >>> >>> *===========================================================++ >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> ..................................................................... >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 14:53:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36030-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54920 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:53:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 54910 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:53:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:53:00 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000301c5662b$aaf92a10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx FWIW, Cage did expand 4'33" in a piece called 0'00" which accounts for a disciplined action in the span of however long it takes. Essentially any activity can be translated into a performance of 0'00", and he referenced it that way too. On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:49 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > Yeah but how would i sample any of this!;) > > aLEKs > > > > On May 31, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: > > >>> As long as we're dismissing the bagpipes and acoustic guitar, we >>> should also go ahead and dismiss any sound, percussive or melodic, >>> made by any physical object. What does "relevant to the future of >>> music" mean? >>> >> -The relevancy occurs when the electric power grid stops working... >> We all can enact John Cage's 'Silence-4'33'. >> Presume the duration will be longer. >> Particulary considering our current attitude to precious >> Mother Earth, who has had more inhabitants than just Homo Sapiens. >> So a nice time is guaranteed for all. >> >> AvS >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> ..................................................................... >> >> ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + >> >> ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | >> | http://www.schreck.nl/ | >> | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | >> ` *===========================================================++ >> ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | >> ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | >> ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | >> ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | >> >> ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | >> >> *===========================================================++ >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> ..................................................................... >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 14:49:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36029-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52453 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:49:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 52439 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:49:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:49:49 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: AW: [microsound] Make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000301c5662b$aaf92a10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130306bec29e9bca09@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah but how would i sample any of this!;) aLEKs On May 31, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> As long as we're dismissing the bagpipes and acoustic guitar, we >> should also go ahead and dismiss any sound, percussive or melodic, >> made by any physical object. What does "relevant to the future of >> music" mean? > -The relevancy occurs when the electric power grid stops working... > We all can enact John Cage's 'Silence-4'33'. > Presume the duration will be longer. > Particulary considering our current attitude to precious > Mother Earth, who has had more inhabitants than just Homo Sapiens. > So a nice time is guaranteed for all. > > AvS > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + > > ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | > | http://www.schreck.nl/ | > | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | > ` *===========================================================++ > ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | > ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | > ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | > ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | > > ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | > > *===========================================================++ > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 14:47:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36028-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50585 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:47:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 50575 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:47:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:47:36 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] digital (was Make your own vinyl) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEC2104E.1FCB8%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On May 31, 2005, at 8:40 PM, graham miller wrote: > > okay, now i can't remember what either of our points were:) I think somewhere in there we converged. :) > nope. but it was the quintessential glitch... I would totally agree! But I also prefer to think of Hendrix as the quintessential glitch. > i'd argue that the distorted signals both caused by overdriven > amps prior > to preamp distortion, was a HUGE influence on the aesthetics of rock > music. Yeah totally, distortion became a definite leader in a lot of Rock music... 'post' Rock & Roll, it could be called :) > i know i play differently is my PRS is on squeaky clean single coil > mode, I can relate, I play on three different guitars with three different kinds of strings, and the nature of the sound helps shape the way I improvise. >> Well we could sit here all night and throw examples back and forth, > > don't get you here... Essentially that we could hunt out and find exceptions to the rule ad naseum. > i have most of his work, including his lovely acoustic work. i'm a > huge fan > of him and also, of course. mr. victor lemont wooten, (whom i taught > everything he know about bass... naturally) Ha ha... he's totally the shit. I love that guy. Truly though I was even more fascinated with his brother's drumitaring! > how is techno music not folk music? how are we not engaging in folk > practices right now through this dialogue? global village, that > whole sort > of thing... but maybe that's your point... Yep pretty much. Techno music is folk music in the digital realm, and it has very complex multi-cultural influences. But there are other folk on the planet who don't even have electricity who are still making music. Two completely opposite sides of the enormously beautiful folk spectrum, it's some of my favorite music of all. m --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 12:22:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36027-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84903 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:22:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 84891 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:22:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:22:16 +1000 From: Steve Adam <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Make your own vinyl In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a05200f00bec357487679@[192.168.0.100]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BEC2104E.1FCB8%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >last i checked, everything has to be recorded electrically...yes you can >score with pen and paper, but u cannot record. > Not quite everything. IRC Phonographs and graphophones at least were purely mechanical means of recording. S. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jun 1 09:33:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-36026-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42596 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:33:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 42581 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:32:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:32:22 +0100 From: Richard Whitelaw <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] outsider artists In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I know you never stated it was. That's why I asked you a question - to find out. I was interested in your point of view - being that this is a discussion list. Sorry to have made you so defensive. look, forget it. This as pointless and very boring for the list to read I'm sure. I'm bored now. R On 29 May 2005, at 13:40, aleks vasic wrote: > Never stated it was, you said i was missing the point somewhat, which > i think is rather assumptive on your part, unnless you have some point > of reference that i am unaware about. > > > aLEKs > > > On May 28, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote: > >> >> On 27 May 2005, at 16:31, aleks vasic wrote: >> >>> Have you heard him perform? If you have tell me that he does not >>> play the same chord progression every song, shure he may alter the >>> key,but its the same? At least when i saw him perform twice he did. >> >> Is this a problem for you then? >> >> Richard >> >>> >>> >>> >>> aLEKs >>> >>> On May 27, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote: >>> >>>> err... >>>> >>>> Wesley Willis is dead >>>> >>>> and saying that every song sounds the same is maybe missing the >>>> point somewhat >>>> >>>> http://www.alternativetentacles.com/bandinfo.php?band=wesleywillis >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2005, at 13:48, aleks vasic wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wesley Willis has a Rockstar tour bus. He commands a pretty high >>>>> penny for his performances. I know as my friend is a promoter >>>>> who has booked him three times. Besides demanding strange things >>>>> like a gallon of soy milk along with a 12 pack of >>>>> diet/sugarfree/caffiene free/ coke, he also demands quite a bit of >>>>> money. He must be doing pretty well if he can pay the upkeep of >>>>> that tour bus, or pay for its lease and fuel, whatever the case >>>>> may be. Granted he has someone managing his tour and he would be >>>>> incapable of organizing any of this himself, it still amazes me >>>>> that he can generate such a turnout. >>>>> >>>>> He is also quite a gifted self taught artist. His pen and ink >>>>> drawings of the chicago skyline are really nice. He sells these >>>>> at most of his shows. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone else seen Wesley Willis perform? Is it just me or does >>>>> every song, musically, sound the same? Just a different set of >>>>> lyrics for each song!?! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> aLEKs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 27, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is worth bearing in mind that Irwin has done a lot to promote >>>>>> and disseminate the work of some of the most marginalised and off >>>>>> the radar US musicians - Peter Grudzien, Judson Fountain and R. >>>>>> Stevie Moore being good examples. >>>>>> >>>>>> point 2 is wrong - if you have read his book you will note that >>>>>> while he drawn connections between Beefheart and Partch this is >>>>>> not judgmental as regards quality of work. Outsider music is not >>>>>> a genre but a concept for considering the output of an extremely >>>>>> diverse group of musicians, some commercially successful (like >>>>>> Beefheart and Syd Barrett) and others less so (Shooby Taylor, >>>>>> Wesley Willis). Concepts of good, bad, better and worse tend to >>>>>> become meaningless when discussing much of this music. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 May 2005, at 19:22, jacob felix heule wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not really into Irwin Chusid. Two reasons: (1) He looks at >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> subjects with mockery. He talks about Jandek, but only derides >>>>>>> him for >>>>>>> being the worst "musician" ever to attempt making a record. I >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> think he sees anything in music like that other than a weird >>>>>>> cultural >>>>>>> phenomenon to archive, make fun of, and profit from. (2) He >>>>>>> classes >>>>>>> artists like Harry Partch and Captain Beefheart alongside >>>>>>> artists like >>>>>>> Wesley Willis and Shooby Taylor. There are major differences >>>>>>> between >>>>>>> these two groups, which I think should be clear to anyone here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jacob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/25/05, ian stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>> the intrepid diy-music preservationist, Irwin Chusid. He is >>>>>>>> also, of course, the >>>>>>>> author of Songs in the Key of Z: The Curious Universe of >>>>>>>> Outsider Music >>>>>>>> (2000, A Cappella Books). >>>>>>> -- http://heule.us >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> --- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org