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"It's Too Damn Early" features experimental music of many varieties, and also includes field recordings and found sound from time to time. Special show within a show "Sound Museum" examines neglected and forgotten recordings of many kinds. "ITDE" is broadcast from WDBX 91.1FM, a not-for-profit community radio station broadcasting to Southern Illinois-- and now, online. www.wdbx.org Complete information about the show (contact info, playlists for all shows, reviews) is available at: http://home.mchsi.com/~itde DaveX, host --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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THANK YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework - phonography/field recording; contextual and decontextualized sound activity presented by patrick mcginley we continued our deep exploration of several recent arrivals this week with several tracks from sawako's and/oar release yours gray, and and/oar frontman dale lloyd's stasisfield mp3 release turba/lateral minor. the first few of these melted into a backdrop of ilios' fine crackling venta elektra (on antifrost), and led us eventually to some heavily processed brickwork from lief elggren's the cobblestone is the weapon of the proletariat, and some more soothing sounds from scott taylor's conv mp3 release castaway. this was all preceded by a framework introduction recorded for us london painter and mosaic artist henri simson. next friday, as each first friday of the month, sees the monthly airing of peter cusack's vermillion sounds in the field recording slot; we return the week after, the 11th, for our next edition. the show after that, on the 18th, will be this year's first edition of framework:focus, featuring a live performance by the head of the aforementioned stasisfield mp3 label, john kannenberg, visiting from the states. again, we are always looking for material for the show, whether raw field recordings, field recording based composition or introduction submissions. send material, released or not, on any format, to the address below. we are also hoping to have live performances as often as possible, so if you are in or passing through london please get in touch! framework 31 nevill road london n16 8sl uk xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28.01.05 this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 02.02.05, at 11:00am gmt (artist / title / album / label) henrietta simson / framework intro recorded in a dripping basement below squeaky floorboards in north london http://www.nennasimson.net ilios / - / vento elektra / antifrost very minimal slow building sounds created from electricity and electrical signals http://www.siteilios.gr, http://www.antifrost.gr sawako / as:unacir a message from the bed of the sea / yours gray / and/oar these first 2 tracks interspersed with ilios electricity show a smoother more tonal sound on sawako's latest... http://homepage.mac.com/oto_s, http://www.and-oar.org dale lloyd / lateral minor / turba/lateral minor / stasisfield staccato bumps and piercing silence give way to warmer organic tones http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html, http://www.stasisfield.com sawako / hole / yours gray / and/oar darker and heavier here, featuring water, sand, shortwave radio and a clock http://homepage.mac.com/oto_s, http://www.and-oar.org dale lloyd / turba [remedial] / turba/lateral minor / stasisfield layers of crackle and static, lending another perspective to our electrical direction http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html, http://www.stasisfield.com sawako / cache cache / yours gray / and/oar multipoint field recordings taken in the vicinity of a live performance by toshimaru nakamura http://homepage.mac.com/oto_s, http://www.and-oar.org dale lloyd / turba [imitable] / turba/lateral minor / stasisfield at a guess, a duet for radio and the resonance of empty bottles. the reality...? http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html, http://www.stasisfield.com lief elggren / no.2 / the cobblestone is the weapon of the proletariat / firework edition heavy processing of the sound of a single throw of a cobblestone in the street outside firework editions http://www.fireworkeditionrecords.com tom wallace / brisbane city centre / - / - the artist says: 'recording made while trying to record the pedestrian crossing sound, suddenly it all kicks off!' xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx scott taylor / - / castaway / conv more recognisable source materials of water and insects continue to bring us back down to earth, softly http://www.con-v.org lief elggren / no.5 / the cobblestone is the weapon of the proletariat / firework edition another sampling of cobblestone warping http://www.fireworkeditionrecords.com scott taylor / - / castaway / conv machine like rattles, clicks and groans with a hint of dripping and some tonal structuring http://www.con-v.org tom wallace / macritchie reservoir in singapore / - / - this singapore reservoir resonates with birds and insects, the rumble of distant water, and the grit of passing footsteps xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework intro submissions: 1) take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice 2) record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you - 3) read the following text: welcome to framework. framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition. field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen! 4) continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking 5) send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia. drop in here to have a look: http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php framework 2003 resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting rob grant & melanie clifford / framework intro thomas dimuzio / unearth & lift and spear / sonicism / rrrecords chris watson / river mara at night / stepping into the dark / touch johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux toy bizarre / - / kdi dctb 116 / absurd murmer / liquid solid / definition / absurd jgrzinich & seth nehil / the distant edge / confluence / intransitive seth nehil & jgrzinich / the mirrored corner / stria / erewhon annette lissauer / framework intro toby paddock / air, surface and magnetic vibrations / - / - steve roden / - / resonant cities / trente oiseaux francisco lopez / untitled #101 / untitled (2000) / ignis projekt mnortham / ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org the quiet american / donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org steve barsotti / trainyard presence / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org k. m. krebs / jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan) / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org david daniell / highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm / sem / antiopic joyce hinterding / - / spectral / antiopic/sigma editions david daniell / dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am / sem / antiopic tacet ncv / live on framework jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler / live on framework dallas simpson / framework intro --Boundary_(ID_sLospZ4kWXVnC9Ym90E/Tg)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 20:21:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34230-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74292 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:21:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 74281 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:21:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:28 +0100 From: Michael Winkler <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what d'ya know Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-ch, de-de, fr-ch Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi ndkent, th_ost & folks! find a re-invented follower of the ondes martenot on this site, the ondéa (f***ing expensive, but if i had the money ... ;-) http://www.chez.com/cslevine/ondes/ there you can listen also some ondea-music. enthusiasted, michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 17:55:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34229-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16787 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:55:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 16769 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:55:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:40 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] another interesting release In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-5226E47573B111D9B229000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Somme hack at Sub Rosa wrote on 1/31/05: >more than 140 minutes of the most powerful music ever recorded on earth Nice to know that it's the most powerful on earth... <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 16:55:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34228-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90686 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:55:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 90675 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:55:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:55:50 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] another interesting release To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was also FWD'd this which also sounds like something that would be found in a typical microsounders CD pile: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- TIBETAN BUDDHIST RITES FROM THE MONASTORIES OF BHUTAN cd SR222 barcode 5411867112228 recorded by John Levy in 1971 more than 140 minutes of the most powerful music ever recorded on earth ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ John Levy, an englishman in Bhutan early seventies Released by Lyrichord in mid-70', all the people who have listen to these vinyls know that it does'nt exist something more powerful, more prodigious and pure than them. John Levy was a london ethnomusicologist who took refuge in tibetan buddhism. So he had all the possibilities to record - with his nagra-stéreo - all the rituals (even the most sacred). We can say that what is discovered here is unique and far behond all what was done after that. All the material is fully remastered and we propose the Levy's collection divided into two discs of ritual and chanting (SR222 / rel date Jan 28, 2005) and one of instrumentals and folk music (SR230, to be released late 2005) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ The great power of the rituals of the Drupka and Nyingmapa Order On the first volume, a double cd with extented notes, Rituals of the Drupka Order, the primary instrument is the long golden trumpet, along with various drums and percussion and a deep droning bass. Rather than soothingly meditative, the music can be a bit dissonant to Western ears. Chanted and played by 76 Lamas and Monks with long trumpets, shawms, cymbals, drums and other Tibetan instruments in sacred temples. Invited by the king of Bhutan, Levy was afforded every facility for recording monastic music in the principal dzongs (great fort-like monasteries) of the Nyingmapa Order. The ethereal Polytonal throat chanting, the long trumpets, shawms and percussion instruments, the processional music and spectacular mask dances, Tibetan and Bhutanese secular songs and poems, All reproduced with incredibly sonic fidelity! A truly remarkable collection, with extensive liner notes, photographs, and musical illustrations by John Levy. as info, later in the year, we'll publish another volume : Tibetan and Bhutanese Instrumental and Folk Music SR230 The last volume features performances on both Tibetan and Bhutanese lutes and fiddles, beautiful folksongs, and a part of a drama of Tibetan origin performed by a troupe of yak and cow herdsmen of eastern Bhutan. The latter is particularly compelling, the standout performer being Go-Te Do-Pe, who sings and accompanies himself on the dramnyen, a Bhutanese lute. His two songs bear an eerie resemblance to the blues of Junior Kimbrough and other Mississippi hill country musiciansŠ A real blues of the top of the world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ CD track listing CD ONE PART ONE Rituals of the Drukpa Order Band 1: In Praise of Genyen. Band 2: Offering of "Golden Drink". Band 3: Exhortation to the Guardian Goddess of Long Life. Band 4: Long Trumpets, "Throat Ornament:. Band 5: Long Trumpets, "Two Notes Prolonged". Band 6: Invitation to Gonpo. Band 7: Petition to Chakchen. Band 8: Invoking Tshetro's Blessings. Band 1: Supplication to the Buddhas. Band 2: Aspiration to be reborn in the Western Paradise. Band 3: Petition to Dramar. Band 4: Prayer for Lama's Long Life. Band 5: Large 'Mani-wheel', with mantra. Bands 6, 7, & 8: Rite to Cure Disease, chanted by nuns. Band 9: 'Tibetan Shawm', Processional Music. Band 10: Processional music for shawms and percussion. Band 11: Long Trumpets, "Auspicious Ending". PART TWO Sacred Dances and Rituals of the Nyingmapa and Drukpa Orders Recorded at the Nyingmapa Monastery, Nyimalug. Band 1: Peling Shachham, Deer Dance. Band 2: Dramitse Ngachlam, The Drum Dance of Dramitse. Bands 3, 4 and 5: Lama Norbu Guamtsho, Ritual dedicated to Padma Sambhava. CD TWO Sacred Dances and Rituals of the Nyingmapa and Drukpa Orders (SUITE) Recorded in the Tongsa Dzong. From the Seven Supplications to Padma Sambhava. Band 1: Entreaty to the Three Buddha-bodies Band 2: Invitation to Padma Sambhava. Band 3: Rise up, Padma. Band 4: Words of Prayer. Band 5: "Tibetan Shawms." part three Temple Rituals and Public Ceremonies Annual Restival, drubchen, Great Tantric Attainment, in Myingmapa Monastery at Kyichu. Band 1: Myule Drelwa, Calling Down of deities to subjugate evil spirit; and Kulwa, its death, stabbed by Black Hat. Band 2: Part of Junbeb, The Coming /down of Grace. Band 3: Monks in procession playing portable instruments followed by chanting of the Heart-Drop Teaching. Recorded in Thimphu. Band 4: Dramnyen Choshe, Song of Offering, with lute (dramnyen). Lute solo, followed by chorus, in praise of sons of Bhutan. Band 5: Dramnyen Choshe, chorus only, Song in Praise of Chinese Silk. Annual Restival of Sacred Dance, at Jampai Lhakhang (Temple of the Future Buddha in Bumthang Dt., E. Bhutan). Bands 1,2 and 3: Monks, a clown, crowds and instruments. Band 4: End of festival, with temple bell, and drums and trumpets. Bands 5 and 6: Wandering ascetic (manip) chanting a Milarepa poem and a mantra. Band 7: Cymbals (silnyen) played solo. Band 8: Cross-flute (zurlim), folk-song from E. Bhutan. Band 9: Another manip chanting Milarepa poem. Band 10: First manip as story-teller. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ key points * recorded by John Levy in 1971 more than 140 minutes of the most powerful music ever recorded on earth ! * John Levy, who was a london ethnomusicologist, took refuge in tibetan buddhism. He had all the possibilities to record - with his nagra-stéreo - all the rituals, even the most sacred, having every facility for recording monastic music in the principal dzongs (great fort-like monasteries) * Secular songs and poems, reproduced with incredibly sonic fidelity! * de luxe packaging with slipcase ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ musician TIBETAN AND BUDDHIST RITES FROM THE MONASTORIES OF BHUTAN ref SR222 - 2 cd set 2CD set packaged in a slipcase + booklet packed in 25 units CD boxes shrinked release date January 28, 2005 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 16:53:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34227-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88896 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:53:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 88886 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:53:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:53:00 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] interesting new release To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was FWD'd this info by my friends over at Sub Rosa and wanted to share this info with the list since it sounds like something people here would find interesting... KIM ======================================================================== ========= RELEASE DATE JANUARY 21 - 2005 SIMON KEEP interview with the eggs cd SR234 barcode 5411867112341 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ In confine of silence "The original sound installation consisted of three headphones playing back three different sounds. Though the first set of headphones the sound of snow was heard, close up and sounding like dust or sugar. The second was the sound of a Buddhist monk meditating in an empty room. The last was the sound of volcanic steam seeping out of the sides of a mountain. Alongside the headphones were one thousand origami cranes. The paper was made from photo snapshots of Japan and when made the cranes were hung in ten rows of one hundred. To make one thousand origami cranes is a Japanese symbol of health and longevity. Sound pieces produced from Mini Disc recordings I made in Japan 2002. The audio has been extracted from Hokkaido's volcanic snow-covered landscape. The composition and patterns of the sound are based on the way I heard these sounds; they are inspired by my experience of listening. One of the recordings was made inside a temple. During "Zazen" meditation the sound of an empty room was opening out to me and I was hearing sounds deep into the room. One evening I recorded the sound of an empty midnight landscape, again I was listening into the silence and into the distance. Sounds would ring out from the distance, then a split second later I would hear silent space again." Simon Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Simon Keep aka Holkham Simon keep is a young londoner, composer, involved in a series of sound installations. More recently, out of a desire for people to hear/think about sound in a more conscious way, he has been working on a public arts project with Vital Arts at the Royal London Hospital. He has also been working with sound outside of the human audibility, mainly radio waves. Over the summer of 2002 he created a sound triptych for an exhibition in Memphis called "life/afterlife", (based on this inaudible sound.) His up-coming project is working again with Why Not Associates on a sixteen-channel sound installation at the "Cultural Institute of Macau" in China, a video piece filming the sound of moths and a recording project collecting sound samples from England's least noise polluted spaces. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Silence as poetic system Walking through snow, my feet crunching on the snow and ice, kicking the snow, sounding like sugar, snow dust. Night-time recording, the silence outside the cabin, red, green and yellow stars, the flashing lights of city. Hearing emptiness, no sound then sound, the imprint of sound in my mind, reverberations of sound in my head and the contemplation of sound. Zazen, the sound of an empty room, listening deep into a room for inherit sound Volcanic eggs, the sound of steam seeping out of a mountainside and poaching eggs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ CD track listing Hokkaido (parts 1-13) 1 snow powder dust 2 snow glitch 3 recording silence 4 treated silence 5 snowdrone 1 6 snowdrone 2 7 snow cracks 1 8 snow cracks 2 9 snow cracks 3 10 snow crunch bit 11 night outside cabin 12 cold wind 13 distant Kushiro lights Zazen, Listening to the Room 14 bell waves 15 bell 2 16 zazen bell 1 17 zazen bell 2 18 untitled process 19 listening to the room Interview With the Eggs 20 low eggs 21 treated steam 22 steam wheat 1 23 steam wheat 2 24 interview with the eggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ musician SIMON KEEP ref SR234 standard jewel case 6 pages letterfold booklet packed in 25 units CD boxes shrinked file under Simon Keep / avant garde release date January 21, 2005 -- mailto:xx@xxxxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 16:02:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34226-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72684 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:02:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 72670 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:02:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:59:03 +0100 From: underscan <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] UNDERSCAN NEWS To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wYI0rwrBTajS4PhqFr0h7w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx auth:4a4b2770435051328542809f1368b6ea X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_wYI0rwrBTajS4PhqFr0h7w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi here are the latest infos on underscan in 2005 ! we wish u a happy new year and wanted to thank everyone who supported us over the years. all the best from underscan -- Rod "All My Love" EP hitting stores now !!! Rod Morris from Ireland delivers a very emotional insight with this new installement on underscan and front end synthetics. some review excerpts: "Simply put, 'All My Love' is so divine it might have dropped from heaven.." (textura.org) "Bass is a wonderful thing. Rod proves it. 'All my love' is an outstanding track. A slowly evaporating melody unfolding on some delicate electronica noises and beats..." (monochrom.at) The release is brought to you in colaboration with Irish based label Front End Synthetics who are making the release available on CD. For more info and track previews click here please: http://www.underscan.de/Prelisten/us007_preview.html If you want to order any of the items please get in touch mailto:xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx If you want to diretly dowload the tracks please go to http://shopbase.finetunes.net/shopserver/ActionServlet? cmd=labeldetails&labelid=2000 -- Upcoming: NOW Series "NOW" is the new compilation series on Underscan which is brought to you as four 12" vinyl records. A full length CD featuring all the tracks will be released to coincide with the fourth and final EP. NOW presents the current state of the label and what is to be expected in the near future. Featured acts are current Underscan artists such as GRAM, DALEZY, SOMSHIT, ONETHEMA, ROD and MENU:EXIT as well as SCANNER, F. BRETSCHNEIDER, FUNCKARMA, EVEREST, QUENCH, FIBLA and others. NOW 01 (feat. tracks by Funckarma, Gram, Somshit, Pytlik) will be released on 14. March 2005 as a limited 12" (500 copies only) and downloadable mp3. more info online soon ! -- Events: Underscan Labelnite: 10.02.05 Taktik (front, berlin) [live] Menu:Exit (underscan, berlin) [live] Marius Reisser (repeatrepeat, berlin) [dj] NBI (neue berliner initiative) Schönhauserallee 157 | Berlin "All My Love" mini Tour: Rod (underscan, neo ouija, dublin) [live] Menu:Exit (underscan, berlin) [live] Marius Reisser (repeatrepeat, berlin) [dj] 25.02.05 Zentrale Randlage Schönhauserallee 172 | Berlin 26.02.05 Superkronic Markranstaedter Strasse 4 | Leipzig/Plagwitz Underscan Labelnite: 18.03.05 Scanner (bette, underscan, london) [live] Menu:Exit (underscan, berlin) [live] more to be confirmed....watch our site !!! NBI (neue berliner initiative) Schönhauserallee 157 | Berlin -- more info on underscan and related stuff: http://www.underscan.de (new website coming soon !!!) -- --Boundary_(ID_wYI0rwrBTajS4PhqFr0h7w)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 10:35:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34225-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46185 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:35:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 46153 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:35:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:34:45 +0000 From: slow sound system <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] slow sound system : we're breaking up, cheapmachines, 13 february, london To: Ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Dorkbot London <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, DorkbotLondon-Blabber <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, IDM <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, lowercase sound <xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, foundry news <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx>, Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Wire Announcements <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <005101c50780$808cb300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx SLOW SOUND SYSTEM LIE DOWN AND BE COUNTED THE FOUNDRY : 13 FEBRUARY 2005 : 3-8PM, FREE -------------------- 'Quality avant chillage' BBCi 'Unadulterated bliss .' RESONANCE FM -------------------- The slow sound system explores ambient listening, new electronica and pixel manipulation . we return for 2005 with the first of our free listening sessions. Lining up at The Foundry on 13 February are two of London's brightest stars of electronica, last encountered at the London Headphones Festival last year. We're Breaking Up lay down delicate shortwave experiments and electronic snap, crackle & pop. Meanwhile Cheapmachines explores warm noise, field recordings and tape loops. On the bench: digitals, soundscaping and audiocollage from resident djs iMax and Albert, plus digital artworks and flash workouts from Janek Ropinsky. Full details follow. PS! - on the 17th it's Isan, Bovaflux, Fisk Industries and e.g.ø at the Horse Hospital. Organised by our friends [no.signal] and HighpointLowlife. More details at www.no-signal.net. --------------------- ARTIST BIOS WE'RE BREAKING UP (TWOTHOUSANDAND / ANTIOPIC) (US / UK) (LIVE) : shortwave electronica, snap, crackle & pop We're Breaking Up is Michael Rodgers, multi-instrumentalist, free improviser and (with Anthony Guerra) co-founder of the outstanding London-Sydney label TwoThousandAnd. Living in London since 2000, he's now a fixture of the electronica / impro / microsound scene, with TwoThousandAnd really on a roll at the moment. Michael brings a sense of urgency and openness to his own musical projects - collaborators include Paul Hood, Anthony Guerra, Pedro Lourenço and Manuel Mota. Much of his music reflects personal ideas of distance, human relationships, density, and things that are invisible. Michael plays out regularly in London and has also performed in Portugal, Germany, Austria and the USA. 'Restless, shifting drones . a really epic feel. Excellent' SMALLFISH 'Takes the improvisation of electronics to a barren wasteland, it glows and flashes and fizzes to the end' IGLOOMAG 'Yet another fine, fine release from this superb label. Check it out' BAGATELLEN --------------------- CHEAPMACHINES (KABUKIKORE, NID NOD) (UK) (LIVE) : warm noise, field recordings, tape loops Cheapmachines has been in existence since 1997, acting at the interface between noise electronics, generative software, field recordings, tape music and drones. Stark, stunning soundscaping and musique concrete. '. some fine examples of extreme manipulation .' VITAL --------------------- RESIDENTS iMAX, ALBERT (GRAIN OF SOUND, KABUKIKORE, 8BITRECS) (UK / FR) (DJ) : decks, loops and FX JANEK ROPINSKY (KLIKLAK, POP-UP RECS) (D) (VJ): flashwerks, digital sublime --------------------- DETAILS Sunday 13 February, 3-8pm, free admission The Foundry, 84-86 Great Eastern St, London, ec2 : 0207 739 6900 : xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx : www.foundry.tv xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx www.slowsound.net ---------------------- CHECK www.twothousandand.com www.antiopic.com www.a-version.co.uk/cheap/ www.kabukikore.net www.8bitrecs.com www.hardmanbros.com www.jayropinsky.kliklak.net ---------------------- Ends slow sound system lie down and be counted xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx www.slowsound.net ----- in league w/ [no.signal] | not clickable | sonomu | highpointlowlife | midrange | frequenzen ----- ----- new! live sets archive w/motion, recon, crucial felix/timeblind, sebastien roux, adam butler/vert and more http://www.slowsound.net 'small pieces', every friday on Resonance 101.4fm, midnight-1am GMT http://www.resonancefm.com 'there is no hidden meaning', out now on kabuki kore http://www.kabukikore.net ----- ----- london headphones festival 2004 http://www.state51.org/placard 'midrange sessions', forthcoming on coombe records http://www.coomberecords.com slow sound system vs. posset, 'entropy sessions' out now on kabuki kore http://www.kabukikore.net 'first steps' out now on grain of sound http://www.grainofsound.com imax photogallery : kill yr speed http://www.lomohomes.com/imax [no.signal] : promoters of genius http://no-signal.net highpointlowlife : bitmpapped indie-electronic goodness since 01 http://www.highpointlowlife.com sprawl club @ charterhouse http://www.sprawl.org.uk frequenzen, fortnightly on resonance 104.4fm http://www.frequenzen.co.uk sonomu : sound noise music http://www.sonomu.net kultureflash : headlines from london http://www.kultureflash.net ----- no? reply to this email with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 31 05:30:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34224-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58484 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:30:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 58474 invoked from network); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:30:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:30:08 -0800 From: David Kendall <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Fwd: February 1st at The Smell To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+MYPaT1EVmUIkcbgppNENg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_+MYPaT1EVmUIkcbgppNENg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Apologies first for the promotional and second for the last-minute > nature of this message. This should be a great show and I encourage > all to come who can make it. If you do not want receive these kinds of > messages from me, please let me know and I will send you no more > announcements in the future. Thanks. > > -David > > Here's a show on Tuesday February 1st: > > Sejayno (shinth builder Peter Blasser) > God (Bryan Eubanks and Leif Sundstrom from Portland, OR) > Gowns (members of Mae Shi/Blue Silk Sutures) > David Kendall > > This will be happening at the Smell. The show starts at 9pm, and it > costs $5 to get inside. > > This is what David Cotner from the LA Weekly has to say about the > show: > > Flying down from Portland with a little deific slice of circuit-bent > heaven, God (Bryan Eubanks and Leif Sundstrom) uses found electronics, > record players and equalizers in improvisations that warp one’s senses > of Silence and Loud. Likeminded mind-benders Gowns’ sundry > synthesizers and electronics preface David Kendall’s computer world > studies; he prefers to ape the death rattles of analog synths through > the laptop these days. Sejayno is Peter Blasser and Severiano Martinez > — Blasser builds analog synthesizers made from logs and coats, while > poet Martinez plays bells and the tor-tor. This machine — actually a > forhortortor — is a device for twisting and kneading vocals, alongside > the “infinite rambling” of the leather-clad phase shifters known as > ambraziers and the chaotic electronic menace of the kittennettik, all > evolving and devolving into something Blasser calls “serene techno.” > It’s advanced sound-tweaking science mixed with naiveté and innocence > reminiscent of the first time you ever saw something like a car. > > _________________________________________________ > homepage http://davidkendall.net > mp3 http://www.ponyattack.com; http://ruccas.org > _________________________________________________ homepage http://davidkendall.net mp3 http://www.ponyattack.com; http://ruccas.org --Boundary_(ID_+MYPaT1EVmUIkcbgppNENg)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 30 16:24:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34223-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20283 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:24:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 20270 invoked from network); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:24:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:24:16 +0100 From: herv=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= boghossian <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] LIST New Year News( and related ones) ! 30.01.05 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE22C8BF.85AC%xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi microsounders, some news for early 2005 from LIST : 1/ NEW RELEASE : Much anticipated GUNTER MULLER & STEINBRUCHEL "perspectives" (List-L6)* The collaboration, created by List for a concert at Geneva Cave12 on december 5th 2003 , born from the desire of List to confront two musicians from different backgrounds and prove that they have so much in common ! This duo worked so well that it was clear from that day that it have to be documented by List ! This cd based on recordings of live improvisation from that day to may 2004 and then edited and reworked by the artists in their studio from june to december 2004, is composed of 12 pieces with a strong unity (+ a bonus track) . duration : 71 minutes mastering : Steinbruchel packaging: digifile design : Steinbruchel photos : Taylor Deupree more info on the artists on : - GUNTER MULLER at http://home.datacomm.ch/g.mueller/mueller.htm - STEINBRUCHEL at http://www.synchron.ch and soon on List website (with bio, samples and a detailed catalog page) you can already check the frontcover design on : http://www.list-en.com * this cd will be available to order from >08.02.05< through List paypal shop (price 14 euros shipping included) and on the next weeks on List distributors and mail-orders around the world . 2/ NEW DISTRIBUTORS : CANADA : 1.8(sec) http://www.1pt8.tk/ SCANDINAVIA : DOT http://www.dotshop.se CHINA : MONITOR http://www.monitor-records.com 3/ NEXT EVENTS : FEBRUARY : 12.02.05 Planetarium > Bruxelles (be) :: live : Herve Boghossian + Colleen http://www.vaartkapoen.be 24.02.05 Kunstraum Walcheturm > Zurich (ch) "Perspectives" cd release concert : :: live : Gunter Muller & Steinbruchel + Herve Boghossian http://www.walcheturm.ch 25.02.05 Bad Bonn > Dudingen (ch) :: live : Hervé Boghossian http://www.badbonn.ch MARCH/APRIL : IN PARIS (fr): SOUND INSTALLATIONS with Bernd Schurer (Domizil) and LIVE (solo) : from STEINBRUCHEL at Centre Culturel Suisse . LIVE from GUNTER MULLER & STEINBRÜCHEL (tbc) . and from HERVE BOGHOSSIAN/STEPHANE RIVES/ MATTHIEU SALADIN TRIO° (tbc) more details soon 4/ NEW PROJECTS : HERVE BOGHOSSIAN new projects currently at work : - °A trio with H.B (guitar feedback) / STEPHANE RIVES (soprano saxophone) / MATTHIEU SALADIN ( amplified bass clarinet & mixing desk ) in the spirit of the H.B "rvb" album, an exploration of electric and amplified or totally acoustic intruments to meet electronic sounds (like sine tones) . _"EUPHONIE" a sequel of "Mouvements" which were released on Raster-Noton last june http://www.raster-noton.de . a step forward on the possibilities of guitar with DSP in a more "pop" touch that the previous one . (euphonie : harmonic suite of sounds in a sentence) thanks for your attention all the best rv --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 30 12:49:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34222-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72303 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:49:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 72291 invoked from network); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:49:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:48:26 +0000 From: sound no sound <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] TRACKS ANYONE???? X-Originating-IP: [61.68.52.129] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2005 12:49:00.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F29C40:01C506CA] Hi All, We're starting a CDR label here in Sydney Australia>>> The name of this label will be Spanish Magic. We are going to start off with a compilation of Australian music. If anyone is interested in contributing a track to this compilation which will be released on May 7th or thereabouts, we would love you to get in contact with us at; xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx or send tracks to: 2/280 Palmer St. Darlinghurst NSW 2010 If you want anymore information or anything please email us or call me on 0404837117 Hope to hear from some of you soon. Cheers, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 30 01:32:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34221-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27259 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:32:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 27245 invoked from network); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:32:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:32:31 -0800 From: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iPods boot Linux To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pVrO+nxXt505JJNk5xchgKhe+vWTpNmVPp78g+kLlUZj9bdEtKS6D7S67zEe3aFBw1hS1A+IuI0gIsfCbXYGs7vI9sH3qm9TmuU5UVvJAe0NJZ2pBjUoLhaBTFr+QUu+UG6p4vOZCoFoN8+5CJrFIdqy6CT522GkWUcVJuMHeak= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/29/2017244 -- Phil Thomson xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx { home: http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson/ { blog: http://www.bloglines.com/blog/PhilThomson { label: http://centibel.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 23:51:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34220-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050129235117.FPZR3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:51:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 3187 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 3175 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:47:21 +0100 From: th_ost <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] what d'ya know Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001301c5065c$e09f6eb0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ra15HgPs3TXfxLiwHsfI8g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #3048294 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Ra15HgPs3TXfxLiwHsfI8g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanx for all that info. will get me busy searching down more info/cds. th_ost °°° th_ost: tomoroh hidari_oliver stummer acronymic symbiosis of alter & ego http://www.tomoroh.com/ http://www.stiege44.com/ xxxxxx@xxx.xxx ay, sigue:56825202 >> we gonna fight for your right to apathy... << °°°°° ----- Original Message ----- From: ndkent To: microsound Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 01:08 Subject: [microsound] what d'ya know Ondes Martinot... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "th_ost" <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... > > i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find > recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. > the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila > symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. that 3 CD "OHM" set (released by the Elipsis Arts label in 2000) of (mostly) historic electronic music has a Messaien piece - for 4 ondes here goes the album it's from (which I don't have) http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000006EI8 (if the link doesn't work it's a 1990 CD recorded by and self titled "Ensemble d'Ondes de Montréal") I think the key album (though surely not easily obtained) is a double 1980 LP by Jeanne Loriod "Les Ondes Martenot - 50e Anniversaire de leur invention " on the Musique Francais d'Aujourd'huis label cat# 21.007 ADÈS That's got the full Messiaen "Fête des belles eaux" with the 6 Ondes ensemble, Millhaud & Jolivet pieces for Ondes and piano and then a newly commissioned piece (by Tessier) to play on a 6 ondes ensemble. > does anybody know of other recordings? > also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there > are > schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics dyi > person, > just curious:(( ) It's vacuum tube technology though the inventor did update the technology and build some using more modern solid state components before he died. Though it's not really correct to simplify it quite so far, if you think about it, the sound is basically sine waves (though often treated even mechanically resonated within the system) so I'd think at least as much of it's distinction is it's user interface. I played a real one once for a couple minutes. You had the ring on wire that most people probably know about, but what's less known is the keyboard keys are baby sized and the whole mechanism rocks left and right for vibrato effects. So it's a little like a 2 part retinking of the theremin. You can do pitch sweeps. There's an accuracy to the sweeps that takes much longer to master on a real Theremin. But you still have manual vibrato... something well known to string players and vocalists but rarely taken advantage of in electronic music performance (where more or less fixed speed electronic LFOs rule when unexpressive samples aren't used). By the way. Radiohead might very well have bought a real one with their considerable money since then but kind of like like Portishead and their "Theremin", what they were using when their first got associated with the Ondes, and seen in videos of them live was actually a newlymade Analogue Systems French Connection CV keyboard controller meant for their line of analogue synth modules. (likely a prototype to be exact) . Anyway maybe someone will clue me in as to where if anywhere he's or they're playing a real Ondes rather than an Ondes his Analogue Systems inspired by synth controller. http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/controllers.htm (scroll to the bottom keyboard) Less expected movies with substantial Ondes playing in the scores are Maurice Jarre's "Passage to India" and Elmer Bernstein's "The Field". Takemitsu's "Rising Sun" (the Connery/Snipes film) along with several of his Japanese scores ("Legacy for the Future" was re-issued by DG Japan a few years back). More expected are "Ed Wood" and "Ghost Busters" (also by Elmer Bernstein) nicholas d. kent www,technopop.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_Ra15HgPs3TXfxLiwHsfI8g)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 12:06:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34219-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39417 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:06:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 39407 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:06:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:03:53 +0100 From: Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] Firewall In-reply-to: <002401c50553$62c21c40$xxxxxxxx@xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Organization: block 4 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <002401c50553$62c21c40$xxxxxxxx@xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kerio makes a good one http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html their personal firewall works good on my Windows Box in the freeware mode. But I second the suggestion to get another physical firewall in front of windows, here it is a Linuxbox securing the network. Windows can internal bypass any given firewall running on it, a sick and twisted system. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- Next events: 11. february Elektronengehirn Concert at Dorkbot Ghent, Belgium more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 07:48:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34217-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86220 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:48:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 86210 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:48:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:37:53 +0200 From: ".` =?ISO-8859-1?B?sLcnICCxICBgLrAgJ7c=?=" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] archive.org In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE214231.26E%xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hallo, is anyone using archive.org who had problems to log into the server. i believe i have exhausted all methods and thought perhaps someone has had similar issues. my belief is a firewall of any kind is disallowed. is this true and/or are there any suggestions? thanks. . 1001 e*; . · . + . : . t) X t t) z z z z o o o o o 1 o o ! ¬ Ÿ Ð o o- (o )) \\ /| /\ /- o . + .· . € + . º' " ..· - º € . ¬ . 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Sat Jan 29 08:05:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34218-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90940 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:03:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 90930 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:03:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:03:20 +0800 From: "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] archive.org In-reply-to: <BE214231.26E%xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE214231.26E%xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yeah sometimes this happens - usually when the server is full or too may users - if it doesn't sort iteslf out soonish just send them a friendly email and they will assist , how soon depends if anyone is working on it on the w/e.... ch-ears ..` °·' ± `.° '· wrote: >hallo, > >is anyone using archive.org who had problems to log into >the server. i believe i have exhausted all methods and >thought perhaps someone has had similar issues. my >belief is a firewall of any kind is disallowed. is this true >and/or are there any suggestions? > >thanks. > > > . 1001 > e*; > . · . + . : >. > t) X >t t) > z >z z z > > o o >o o > o 1 >o o > ! ¬ Ÿ Ð > > o > o- (o )) >\\ /| > /\ /- >o . + > .· . € > + . > > º' " ..· > > > - º > > € . ¬ > . ' > ' > -',. > · > > > > · ` .; > > . '· ` > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 02:53:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34216-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21511 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:53:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 21500 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:53:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:52:57 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Grant <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] Firewall In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: 168607 X-Sender: unknown To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: RMM Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <002401c50553$62c21c40$xxxxxxxx@xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx zone alarm See http://www.cleansoftware.org/security/ for more. B > ( 05.01.28 17:06 +0100 ) Noisejihad: > > Can anybody recommend a good, free firewall for windoze? > > http://gentoo.org/ > http://openbsd.org/ [if you're really paranoid] > > but to install, you'd need to wipe windoze, or put another machine on > the network in front of it. it might be easier to buy one of those > linksys router-firewall things. > > -- > \js http://or8.net/~johns ;`^+{"-&= '>> ^ > iraq body count: 15,495 [min] 17,723 [max] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 01:28:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34215-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98336 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:28:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 98322 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:28:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:32:32 -0600 From: DaveX <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Job opportunity at the Exploratorium - FEB 1 deadline! To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000801c505a2$67d23f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm SO sorry, but this made me laugh. --DaveX Gives me hope that I could find a decent job when I get the hell out of school.... - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 01:23:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34214-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94467 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:23:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 94454 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:23:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:23:30 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Job opportunity at the Exploratorium - FEB 1 deadline! In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Gives me hope that I could find a decent job when I get the hell out of school.... - Scott Carver On Jan 28, 2005, at 4:47 PM, derek holzer wrote: > This got posted to the Phonography list, but I thought it would be > topical here as well. *Almost* makes me wish I still ive din SF... > > derek > > *** > > AUDIO & SOUND DEVELOPER > Center for Public Exhibition > Full-time position (with some flexibility) > > > SUMMARY: > The Audio and Sound Developer uses strong conceptual, creative, and > technical skills to > develop and redesign exhibits for inclusion in the Exploratorium's new > "Listening" area. > The position is in the Center for Public Exhibition, which has primary > responsibility for the > public museum floor. This is a fixed term, full-time position funded > through September > 2006. Qualified candidates available for less than a full-time > schedule will be considered. > The position will report to the Listening Project Manager. > > > > > > ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS: > · Design, develop, and produce highly accessible audio-based exhibits > for the new > "Listening" area of the museum floor. > · Evaluate and redesign existing exhibits to fit within the new > "Listening" collection. > · Support the exhibit development efforts of other project team > members by providing > expertise in sound and audio technology. > · Conceptualize, research, and develop materials on topics involving > sound, hearing, and > attentive listening. > · Work collaboratively with scientists, educators, artists, exhibit > developers, and media > professionals on team-based projects. > · Manage own projects, meet deadlines, and attend project team > meetings. > · Additional duties as assigned. > > > > > > > QUALIFICATIONS: > · Bachelors Degree. > · Minimum 3 years experience in audio production and/or sound > manipulation. > · Background or strong interest in science, sound art/design, > humanities, and public > education. > · Demonstrated proficiency in a variety of audio production tools and > software, such as > Peak and Pro Tools. Knowledge of MAX MSP plus at least one other > signal processing > package a plus. > · Familiarity and demonstrated proficiency in state-of-the-art audio > production software. > · Demonstrated troubleshooting and technical problem-solving abilities. > · Excellent communication and interpersonal skills, including ability > to work collaboratively > on project teams. > · Knowledge of inquiry-based teaching strategies helpful. > · Able to lift & carry up to 50 lbs for short distances, move from > place to place, and use a > computer terminal as well as basic office and shop equipment > > > > > > > APPLICATION DEADLINE: > Please submit on or by Tuesday, February 1, 2005. > > > > > > HOW TO APPLY: > This is a fixed-term, full-time (37.5 hours per week), exempt, union > (grade 20, step 1) > position that pays $845.63 per week and includes benefits. This > fixed-term position is to > end on or before September 30, 2006. Qualified candidates available > for less than full- > time will be considered. Please indicate your preferred schedule in > your application. Please > apply by sending cover letter and resume to: > > Dept. CPE-1 > Exploratorium, 3601 Lyon Street, San Francisco, CA 94123 > Fax: (415) 561-0370 > E-mail: xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx (attachments not accepted) > No phone calls please > > > The Exploratorium is committed to a diverse workforce > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonography/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 36: > "Consult other sources > -promising > -unpromising" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 29 00:45:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34213-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70747 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:45:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 70725 invoked from network); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:45:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:47:25 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Job opportunity at the Exploratorium - FEB 1 deadline! To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This got posted to the Phonography list, but I thought it would be topical here as well. *Almost* makes me wish I still ive din SF... derek *** AUDIO & SOUND DEVELOPER Center for Public Exhibition Full-time position (with some flexibility) SUMMARY: The Audio and Sound Developer uses strong conceptual, creative, and technical skills to develop and redesign exhibits for inclusion in the Exploratorium's new "Listening" area. The position is in the Center for Public Exhibition, which has primary responsibility for the public museum floor. This is a fixed term, full-time position funded through September 2006. Qualified candidates available for less than a full-time schedule will be considered. The position will report to the Listening Project Manager. ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS: · Design, develop, and produce highly accessible audio-based exhibits for the new "Listening" area of the museum floor. · Evaluate and redesign existing exhibits to fit within the new "Listening" collection. · Support the exhibit development efforts of other project team members by providing expertise in sound and audio technology. · Conceptualize, research, and develop materials on topics involving sound, hearing, and attentive listening. · Work collaboratively with scientists, educators, artists, exhibit developers, and media professionals on team-based projects. · Manage own projects, meet deadlines, and attend project team meetings. · Additional duties as assigned. QUALIFICATIONS: · Bachelors Degree. · Minimum 3 years experience in audio production and/or sound manipulation. · Background or strong interest in science, sound art/design, humanities, and public education. · Demonstrated proficiency in a variety of audio production tools and software, such as Peak and Pro Tools. Knowledge of MAX MSP plus at least one other signal processing package a plus. · Familiarity and demonstrated proficiency in state-of-the-art audio production software. · Demonstrated troubleshooting and technical problem-solving abilities. · Excellent communication and interpersonal skills, including ability to work collaboratively on project teams. · Knowledge of inquiry-based teaching strategies helpful. · Able to lift & carry up to 50 lbs for short distances, move from place to place, and use a computer terminal as well as basic office and shop equipment APPLICATION DEADLINE: Please submit on or by Tuesday, February 1, 2005. HOW TO APPLY: This is a fixed-term, full-time (37.5 hours per week), exempt, union (grade 20, step 1) position that pays $845.63 per week and includes benefits. This fixed-term position is to end on or before September 30, 2006. Qualified candidates available for less than full- time will be considered. Please indicate your preferred schedule in your application. Please apply by sending cover letter and resume to: Dept. CPE-1 Exploratorium, 3601 Lyon Street, San Francisco, CA 94123 Fax: (415) 561-0370 E-mail: xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx (attachments not accepted) No phone calls please The Exploratorium is committed to a diverse workforce Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonography/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Jan 28 22:29:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34211-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5502 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:29:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 5491 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:29:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Ronsen <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Ondes Martinot... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=q9g+EhWv/rXBpgJhmHFftfNuZUtY6pyzw3AEwi5c8yTZOw9CoxFVmmnRmi/W/+YoMCuDbw8FNTrbWzVi2EMT6sAewwFH2K1LI6E/9RKhHc6pJdLmX44M228480aTUjovo7SnO6L7VrBOtmr77ZfUFUkCXpf5AcJpjM3GFPoBwno= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In 1937 Oliver Messiaen wrote a piece for 6 Ondes Martenots, "Fetes Des Belles Eaux." The library near to me has the score but not a recording of it. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Fri Jan 28 22:13:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34210-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 104 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:13:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 99991 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:13:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:13:21 -0600 (CST) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Call for Works Ai-maako 2005 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qz+PxeG08sACINmwjnXgbg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qq7ecOLe/yQiJT0vbR3uUAYTTG2xlfPSznVoZ2EdkbOBl8h0FTuvmzCiTxMaYB4S6JdM4NZoaiHhwcacilpa02xfPB3v+IE4qbRNO/wUl3t9cJt4UHYA8lqO4sfvtN+yUwox/vsKJOmsku0+guiuGcjgdKIyV+uq0v4ci/ZufK8= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qz+PxeG08sACINmwjnXgbg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Electroacoustical Chilean Community (CECh) has organised for the last four years the Electroacoustic music festival of Santiago de Chile, “Ai-maako”. The fifth edition of this festival will take place between the 17th and the 22nd of october 2005 in the concert hall of the Cultural Center of Spain. During the four years of existence of the festival more than 200 works by composers from diverse countries have been played. The CECh invites the electroacoustical community to participate in this festival. Musical works must be sent before the 30th of April 2005 (the post office stamp will be valid as a reference) to the following address: José Miguel Candela (CECh) Correo Villa La Reina Casilla 104 La Reina -Santiago de Chile Chile The works sent must fulfill the following conditions in order to be eligible: a) Acousmatical or tape pieces. Format: Audio CD, DAT or ADAT Technical notes or diff usion score, in case of multi-channel pieces. Pieces of a duration no longer than 10 minutes. Biography of the composer and programme notes. Spanish translations are welcome (paper and Word document) b) Mixed Pieces (depending on the organisers’ possibilities of available soloists): Works for soloist and electronics. Pieces of a duration no longer than 10 minutes. Format: Audio CD, DAT or ADAT. Technical notes or diffusion score, in case of multi-channel pieces. The instrumental score must be sent by regular or registered post. Demostration recording of the electronic part or of the piece as a whole. Biography of the composer and programme notes. Spanish translations are welcome (paper and Word document) xxxx@xxxx.xx / FRENCH AND SPANISH IN: http://www.cech.cl/Ai-maako_Call_2005.pdf ----> Greeting from Chile, Mika Martini. ------------------------------------------- [M!M] [SCL] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. --Boundary_(ID_qz+PxeG08sACINmwjnXgbg)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 21:51:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34209-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90867 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:51:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 90857 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:51:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:50:21 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] bay area electro acoustic concert free To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006801c50583$8b7b5ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx THE CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY MUSIC (CCM) at MILLS COLLEGE presents: SPRING 2005 SONGLINES SERIES: Symposia on Sound, Nature, Technology, and Performance MONDAY, January 31th 7:30 PM - Concert Hall Foyer and Ensemble Room Admission: FREE NICOLAS COLLINS An evening of electro-acoustic works and "hardware-hacked" instrumentation by CCM Composer-in-Residence Nic Collins and Mills student composers. Featured pieces by Collins include "Pea Soup," performed by local bassist George Cremaschi, and "The Talking Cure." Born and raised in New York, Mr. Collins studied composition with Alvin Lucier at Wesleyan University and worked for many years with legendary composer/instrumentalist David Tudor. As a composer he helped pioneer the use of microcomputers in live performance, and has made extensive use of "home-made" electronic circuitry, radio, found sound material, and transformed musical instruments. From 1992-1995 he was Artistic Director of Stichting STEIM (Amsterdam) and in 1996-1997 a DAAD composer-in-residence in Berlin. In 1999 he joined the faculty of the School of the Art Institute of Chicago as the chair of the sound department. for more information contact: John Bischoff, CCM Studios Coordinator 510-430-2331 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Jan 28 19:54:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34205-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28227 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:54:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 28210 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:54:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:54:27 -0700 From: Dan Heidebrecht <xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Quantum Whistles - Superfluid helium-4 whistles just the right tune To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Dan Heidebrecht <xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=huHXhjQAsOtnYYtXAZg8cfUv+q8JX3tzSKwZw3TVRzmsFYh+nj1TLxuIkuU9GVIcLdUZzHzJ/4GcQY3H9TNHMqHyYyAvi7ndOKrM2UpGftNJJCcPCFPMqqL3zkaX9d1mVfeVtI0lXaSV72UF4tdzHZSr+0DmIDIoL9EXmn0SxgY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If you just want to listen: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/images/He4QuantumWhistle.wav Superfluid helium-4 whistles just the right tune By Robert Sanders, Media Relations | 27 January 2005 BERKELEY – University of California, Berkeley, physicists can now tune in to and hear normally inaudible quantum vibrations, called quantum whistles, enabling them to build very sensitive detectors of rotation or very precise gyroscopes. Quantum whistle Hear the synchronized vibrations from a chorus of more than 4,000 nano-whistles, created when physicists pushed superfluid helium-4 though an array of nanometer-sized holes. Note that the pitch drops as the pressure drops. A quantum whistle is a peculiar characteristic of supercold condensed fluids, in this case superfluid helium-4, which vibrate when you try to push them through a tiny hole. Richard Packard, professor of physics at UC Berkeley, and graduate student Emile Hoskinson knew that many other researchers had failed to produce a quantum whistle by pushing helium-4 through a tiny aperture, which must be no bigger than a few tens of nanometers across - the size of the smallest viruses and about 1,000 times smaller than the diameter of a human hair. To their surprise, however, a chorus of thousands of nano-whistles produced a wail loud enough to hear. This is the first demonstration of whistling in superfluid helium-4. According to Packard and Hoskinson, the purity of the tone may lead to the development of rotation sensors that are sufficiently sensitive to be used for Earth science, seismology and inertial navigation. "You could measure rotational signals from an earthquake or build more precise gyroscopes for submarines," Packard speculated. Four years ago, Packard and his coworkers built and successfully tested a gyroscope based on quantum whistling in superfluid helium-3. But that required cooling the device to a few thousandths of a degree above absolute zero, a highly specialized and time-consuming process. Because the new phenomenon exists at 2 Kelvin - a temperature achievable with off-the-shelf cryo-coolers - the proposed sensors also will be user-friendly to scientists unfamiliar with cryogenic technology. A temperature of 2 Kelvin is the equivalent of minus 456 degrees Fahrenheit. "Because these oscillations appear in helium-4 at a temperature 2,000 times higher than in superfluid helium-3, it may be possible to build sensitive rotation sensors using much simpler technology than previously believed," the researchers wrote in a brief communication appearing in the Jan 27 issue of the journal Nature. Packard noted that sensitive rotation or spin detectors could have application in numerous fields, from geodesy, which charts changes in the spin and wobble of the Earth, to navigation, where gyroscopes are used to guide ships. Though little is now know about the rotational signals from earthquakes, having a sensitive rotation detector might reveal new and interesting phenomena. Quantum whistling is analogous to a phenomenon in another macroscopic quantum system, a superconductor, which develops an oscillating current when a voltage is applied across a non-conducting gap. Nobel Laureates Philip Anderson, Brian Josephson and Richard Feynman predicted in 1962 that the same would happen in superfluids. In the case of superfluids, however, a pressure difference across a tiny hole would cause a vibration in the superfluid at a frequency - the Josephson frequency - that increases as the pressure increases. The fact that the fluid oscillates back and forth through the hole rather than flows from the high-pressure side to the low-pressure side, as a normal liquid would, is one of the many weird aspects of quantum systems like superfluids. Eight years ago, Packard and fellow UC Berkeley physicist Seamus Davis, now at Cornell University, heard such vibrations when pushing superfluid helium-3 through a similar array of 4,225 holes, each 100 nanometers across. Though no simple feat - it took them 10 years to make their experiment whistle, working at one thousandth of a degree Kelvin - it's theoretically easier than with helium-4. For helium-4 to whistle, physicists predicted that the holes either had to be much smaller, pushing the limits of today's technology, or the temperature had to be within a few hundred thousandths of a degree of the temperature at which helium-4 becomes a superfluid, that is, 2 Kelvin. While working with an array of holes 70 nanometers across, essentially testing the apparatus with helium-4 before using it to conduct a helium-3 experiment, Hoskinson was surprised when he put on earphones and heard the characteristic pennywhistle sound as the pitch dropped with the pressure in the device. "Predictions on where the Josephson oscillations would occur put them much closer to the transition temperature than I could hope to go," Hoskinson said. "The fact that I could detect the oscillations with the set-up I had was amazing in itself, and something we're very interested in exploring." He and Packard calculated that the tones were due to a different mechanism, phase slippage, than that producing the whistle in helium-3, though it follows the same relationship between frequency and driving pressure. Phase slippage shouldn't have produced a pure tone at all. The vibrations at the holes should shift randomly and get lost in the noise. Even if phase slippage did produce a constant tone in a single hole, the whistles from the array of 4,225 holes should have been out of phase and the resulting sound less than 100 times louder than that from a single hole. Apparently, Packard said, the vibrating holes somehow achieved synchrony, like crickets chirping in unison on a summer evening, amplifying the sound 4,000 times higher - loud enough to be heard above the background noise of the experiment. "For 40 years, people have been trying to see something like this, but it has always been with single apertures," Hoskinson said. "Maybe it's true that you don't get coherent oscillations with a single aperture, but somehow, with an array of apertures, the noise is suppressed and you hear a coherent whistle." "There was no reason to expect that. I still think it's amazing," Packard added. The research by Packard, Hoskinson and post-doctoral fellow Thomas Haard is supported by the National Science Foundation and by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 19:36:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34204-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050128193552.TIJQ3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:35:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 22047 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:35:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 22036 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:35:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[microsound]=A0=20ezmlm=20warning?= To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vH+NAkRPLV9Cac/OYAKLdA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vH+NAkRPLV9Cac/OYAKLdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/05 1:51:29 PM, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx writes: > anybody else getting these for no reason right now? > I get them sporadically from all my hyperreal.org lists. 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Fri Jan 28 19:23:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34203-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17032 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:23:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 17021 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:23:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:26:59 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] question about New Yorker article on ice To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-1942544E715711D992BD000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "if you can think of a better way to get ice, i'd like to hear it" apu, the simpsons vze26m98 wrote: > Glenn Bach wrote on 1/28/05: > > >A very off-topic question: I'm looking for an article that appeared a > >few months/years ago in _The New Yorker_ about contemporary > >manufacturing and distribution of ice, particulary the competition > >among several entrepreneurs for the title of "Ice King." > > Is this what you're looking for? It's a review from the April 21, 2003 > issue of the New Yorker. More general searches for "ice" and "king" > didn't turn up much... > > "The Frozen-Water Trade, by Gavin Weightman (Hyperion; $23.95). The idea > sounds fanciful: harvest ice in Massachusetts and sell it to people in > the tropics. But the nineteenth-century entrepreneur Frederic Tudor was > immune to ridicule and single-minded in his conviction that the ice > trade could be profitable. He was also right. This entertaining history > of his crusade to turn New England into the world's ice-maker shows how > the combination of technological innovation and sharp marketing-Tudor > trained bartenders to use ice in cocktails in order to illustrate the > virtues of cold drinks-created an industry that sold thousands of tons > of ice a year to places like India, Cuba, and the American South. As a > case study of the entrepreneurial mind, Weightman's book reminds us that > creating demand can be as important as meeting it." > > Best, > > <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IHhxRHCQ5ySMBlziNZDtHophV/SxH78PfT+s3q9yFhZkmyZn+uLgXjBzW4zRYyH1Hb4VxCmVHEmB8tsHFFcsvReZndpzoH8Qj5wOMoaZe0ZzUZpGXf3G+MQ9bfY3v6bjto72xvIh8GQ5yPYlS6sM2+o9peNARP9dX9fLvdzaz7Y= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx anybody else getting these for no reason right now? I've been getting them every so often, though there is no reason why microsound should be bouncing from my email account since nothing else is and I have plenty of space. ideas? jorge __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Fri Jan 28 18:16:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34200-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85348 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:16:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 85335 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:16:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:16:17 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] In the Defense of Max (was: development environment) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 28, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Michal Seta wrote: > PD has the same right-to-left principle. The ambiguities arise in > situations where there are several patch chords originating at the same > outlet. Right. > Regardless > of theoretical premise of the right-to-left principle, taking the > necessary steps to enforce the order in a crucial situation is simply > good practice. Treatment with the slightest bit of care :) I agree here for the most part. On occasion though I'm lazy, and for code I'm likely to never edit again, I like being able to knock it out without trigger objects. ;-) > I do agree with the fact that (visual) dataflow languages don't scale > well. Regardless of how well you encapsulate and abstract, large > projects are not easy to manage. However, I don't follow Max > development and I haven't been near it in years, maybe it makes it > easier now. I speak from a point of view of a PD user. I find that keeping a notebook (virtually or otherwise), or liberally commenting, is necessary for big projects. It can really help sometimes. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 18:05:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34199-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050128180512.OVEH3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:05:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 76043 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:04:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 76022 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:04:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:04:47 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] question about New Yorker article on ice In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-1942544E715711D992BD000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Glenn Bach wrote on 1/28/05: >A very off-topic question: I'm looking for an article that appeared a >few months/years ago in _The New Yorker_ about contemporary >manufacturing and distribution of ice, particulary the competition >among several entrepreneurs for the title of "Ice King." Is this what you're looking for? It's a review from the April 21, 2003 issue of the New Yorker. More general searches for "ice" and "king" didn't turn up much... "The Frozen-Water Trade, by Gavin Weightman (Hyperion; $23.95). The idea sounds fanciful: harvest ice in Massachusetts and sell it to people in the tropics. But the nineteenth-century entrepreneur Frederic Tudor was immune to ridicule and single-minded in his conviction that the ice trade could be profitable. He was also right. This entertaining history of his crusade to turn New England into the world's ice-maker shows how the combination of technological innovation and sharp marketing-Tudor trained bartenders to use ice in cocktails in order to illustrate the virtues of cold drinks-created an industry that sold thousands of tons of ice a year to places like India, Cuba, and the American South. As a case study of the entrepreneurial mind, Weightman's book reminds us that creating demand can be as important as meeting it." Best, <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 17:24:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34198-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52456 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 52446 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:08 -0500 From: billy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] radio. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi list! i fought the post-blizzard down to the radio last night and performed for an hour. solo, i don't know if i'll try that marathon again soon, but hear the music here http://www.bsrlive.com/archives/playlist.php?p=1813 mono, and at 128k microphone, bells, melodica, casio sk-8, max/msp, max/msp problems.... b. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 17:16:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34197-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48212 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:16:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 48202 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:16:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:18:34 -0800 From: Glenn Bach <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [OT] question about New Yorker article on ice To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-CSULB-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the Helpdesk for more information X-CSULB-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CSULB-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey, all. A very off-topic question: I'm looking for an article that appeared a few months/years ago in _The New Yorker_ about contemporary manufacturing and distribution of ice, particulary the competition among several entrepreneurs for the title of "Ice King." (?) Does this ring a bell? I've tried googling, library searches, etc. Anyone know of this article, or if there is an index of New Yorker articles online somewhere? Any replies off-list would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, G. P.S. It may have appeared in Harper's, but I'm 80% sure it was The New Yorker . . . The New Yorker website doesn't allow you to search their archives . . . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 17:11:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34196-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43875 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 43864 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] mpls : 2/1/05 : every other tuesday : bryce beverlin ii + john davis, abinadi meza, bill lang + brock davis + alden ikeda In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Every Other Tuesday Experimental / improvised performance at Acadia Tuesday February 1st, 2005 1st set : John Davis: bass, Bryce Beverlin II : drums The town continually searches for new ways to dispose of waste in a sound, environmentally safe manner. To that end, the town operates a comprehensive, curbside recycling program, removing from the waste stream those items which can be successfully recycled. In considering the environmental hazards posed by certain household chemicals, the town implemented a program called S.T.O.P. (Stop Throwing Out Pollutants). This program takes ordinary household chemicals such as cleaning sprays, paints, etc. and disposes of them in a way that safeguards our environment. The town holds 10 "S.T.O.P. DAYS" a year at various locations around the town. Look for one in your community. 2nd set : Abinadi Meza : laptop Meza is a sound artist and visual artist who creates soundscapes from original field recordings and sound from film. Recently returned from performing a radio/ installation piece in Stockholm, Sweden, Meza will also will perform in the upcoming Spark Festival of Electronic Music and Art in Minneapolis this February. More info: http://www.abinadimeza.net Meza will present a laptop performance this Tuesday at the Acadia, improvising a soundscape from various sources including field recordings and other found audio. 3rd set: Bill Lang : tenor saxophone, Alden Ikeda : drums and eklectronics Lang and Ikeda have been performing improvised music off on with each for the past 20 years. The roots of it seem to get deeper and darker, like some kind of weird plant. Acadia Cabaret Theater 1931 nicollet avenue south (corner of nicollet & franklin) Minneapolis MN 8 pm door-- music at 8:20 $3 -- all ages http://www.acadiacafe.com The Acadia's been a smoke-free venue since before it was hip. The cafe next door serves food and beverages (including wine and beer), which patrons are permitted to take into the theater with them. The acadia closes at 11 pm, so performances must be over by then. The show usually wraps up well before, so it's a pretty early night for a Tuesday. View the schedule online: http://tcmusic.net/musicianschedule1449.html To hear mp3s of performances from E.O.T. and related events in Minneapolis St Paul, drop by the Earliest Convenience page: http://www.juniorbirdman.com/earliestconvenience For further discussion and promotion of experimental and improvised music in the twin cities, join the tc experimental music yahoogroup at http://yahoogroups.com/group/tc_experimental_music Enjoy! Mike Hallenbeck Cruise director Every Other Tuesday series --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 16:17:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34195-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99397 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:17:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 99387 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:17:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:31:30 -0500 From: john saylor <xx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] Firewall In-reply-to: <002401c50553$62c21c40$xxxxxxxx@xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <002401c50553$62c21c40$xxxxxxxx@xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi ( 05.01.28 17:06 +0100 ) Noisejihad: > Can anybody recommend a good, free firewall for windoze? http://gentoo.org/ http://openbsd.org/ [if you're really paranoid] but to install, you'd need to wipe windoze, or put another machine on the network in front of it. it might be easier to buy one of those linksys router-firewall things. -- \js http://or8.net/~johns ;`^+{"-&= '>> ^ iraq body count: 15,495 [min] 17,723 [max] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 16:05:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34194-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86597 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:05:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 86582 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:05:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:06:54 +0100 From: Noisejihad <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [OT] Firewall To: List Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002401c50553$62c21c40$xxxxxxxx@xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ieU2FLIsmfici0+j/fCujA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ieU2FLIsmfici0+j/fCujA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody recommend a good, free firewall for windoze? -Lars IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Next: Electrical Bonding on Desolation House >>> www.desolationhouse.com Now: Uncomfortable Positions - mp3-ep on Fukk God >>> www.fukkgod.org key to knowledge on danish noise >>> www.noisejihad.dk art >>> www.ideations.dk www.waldchengarten.dk --Boundary_(ID_ieU2FLIsmfici0+j/fCujA)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 15:27:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34193-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59442 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:27:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 59430 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:27:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:33:45 -0500 From: Michal Seta <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] In the Defense of Max (was: development environment) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.320 (mx2.b2b2c.ca [66.158.128.214]); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:27:08 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-5.90 required=7.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Lines: 37 References: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > I much prefer this method to that of Pd. At least in Max, I can look > and see exactly what will happen. In Pd, which resolves ambiguity via > order of object creation, I haven't the slightest clue what will > happen when looking at it. The right-to-left nature of Max often makes > code easier to read, saves time, and if treated with the slightest bit > of care, never causes any issues. PD has the same right-to-left principle. The ambiguities arise in situations where there are several patch chords originating at the same outlet. I have run into ordering ambiguities problems with Max in the past (note that it might have gotten much better in the past 4-6 years) and order forcing/ensuring I learned with Max, in fact. Regardless of theoretical premise of the right-to-left principle, taking the necessary steps to enforce the order in a crucial situation is simply good practice. Treatment with the slightest bit of care :) > > On the > negative side, as many people have mentioned, it doesn't scale > well; large programs tend to become heaps of spaghetti unless > one spends inordinate amounts of time laying them out. > > Again, if you encapsulate properly, you should, generally speaking, > never have more than 20 or so objects visible in any one patch. I > rarely, if ever do. Hardly a mess. I do agree with the fact that (visual) dataflow languages don't scale well. Regardless of how well you encapsulate and abstract, large projects are not easy to manage. However, I don't follow Max development and I haven't been near it in years, maybe it makes it easier now. I speak from a point of view of a PD user. I do agree, however, that 'heaps of spaghetti' whether laid out or not are bad programming habit. ../MiS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Jan 28 13:38:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34191-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050128133802.VGH3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:38:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 8057 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:38:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 8047 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:38:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:37:58 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-D32E9CDD713111D98ED6000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Michal Seta wrote on 1/27/05: >Not that I have something against Mr Dannenberg but the definition on >wikipedia (if one can consider it a reliable resource) is a little >more general than Mr Dannenberg's pedantic categorization. >> >operations. Dataflow languages share some features of functional >> >languages, and were generally developed in order to bring some >> >functional concepts to a language more suitable for numeric >> >processing." Michael- Please explain to me what's more "general" about the Wikipedia definition. Saying that data-flow languages partake of functional concepts seems pretty specific to me. Best, <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 06:51:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34190-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050128065059.LUFB3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:50:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 37357 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:50:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 37346 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:50:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:50:55 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] In the Defense of Max (was: development environment) In-reply-to: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:51 AM, vze26m98 wrote: > I think there's some debate as to whether Max/MSP/Pure Data qualifies > as > a data-flow language: > > "The term "data-flow" is not a good description of Max except for the > intuition. Data-flow computers and languages are based on the idea that > (parallel) computations can be synchronized by data. For example, an > addition operator would wait for its two operands before adding them. > Note that this is not at all how Max works. This is not how Max objects work by default. However, you can certainly implement abstractions that work this way. I have a "syncro" abstraction which works similar to the one in Prograph in that it waits until both inlets have data available, and then forwards the data ahead. Regardless, I'm not aware that this is critical for classifying something as a dataflow language. > I will not argue that Max should work this way, I'm quite glad it doesn't actually. > but since it doesn't, one should not call it a > data-flow language. I think "patch language" or "visual programming > language" are better terms. Unfortunately, the former will make no sense to someone who isn't familiar with Pd/Max, and the latter is too generalized to impart any real meaning. > For the rest try: > <http://cf.hum.uva.nl/mmm/papers/dh-93-b.txt> I've read this before, and I feel compelled to write a "The Mins of the Mins of Max" paper. Many of the arguments given are just utter nonsense. Here we go, briefly: - - - > The term "data-flow" is not a good description of Max except for the intuition. This is of course debatable, or at least, this list doesn't agree upon that. > I would add that, despite statements in the manuals and documentation, Max is not an object-oriented language. I assume things were different before, but now Max is only referred to (correctly) as an object-based language. All of the nonsense attached to the definition OO languages is unfortunate in my opinion. I'd prefer a term that's less misleading, but oh well. That said, it is a good thing that Max is not a true OO language for a number of reasons I don't want to get into here. > To me, Max seems to be an imperative language based on timed streams of values flowing through a static network of objects. Again, perhaps this came about after this was written, but Max does not require you to have a static network. Building networks that reconnect themselves, replace parts of themselves, etc, is entirely possible. > Max is claimed to be a music system or musical language, but the only idea of music that Max has is in the (unnecessarily) low-level form of MIDI messages. It does not provide primitives (e.g., notes, chords or ornaments), or control structures (e.g., repeat or slow down) Thank god. > Computation time becomes involved in the problem of timing; if one datum needs a bit more computation than another, it will arrive later at the point at which they are combined. This can break the algorithm, forcing the user to rely on the work- arounds provided (a special re-synchronizing module). If you program in such a way that two parts of a program are racing each other, this is unavoidable. And even then, output from the two competing processes can be easily synced later. > "Even if an algorithm works well, a tiny change ... may break it." Not only do I not understand where this claim comes from, but hell, Max is much harder to mess up than most any textual programming language. Miss some whitespace in Python, and it all goes to hell. Forget a semicolon in C, and you're not going anywhere. Etc. > in the Opcode version of Max, there is a potentially confusing and dangerous mechanism that acts automatically on ambiguities in order; graphic positioning of connections between objects on the screen will determine the message- passing order between these objects. I much prefer this method to that of Pd. At least in Max, I can look and see exactly what will happen. In Pd, which resolves ambiguity via order of object creation, I haven't the slightest clue what will happen when looking at it. The right-to-left nature of Max often makes code easier to read, saves time, and if treated with the slightest bit of care, never causes any issues. > But one has to keep in mind that not all abstractions can be expressed well graphically. Nested loops, variables, references, match patterns, computation history, and recursion are among the constructs with which the conversational mode, in the form of a formal language, can deal much better. Well of course a dataflow language (or whatever you want to call it) will not let you directly translate code written for a traditional control flow language. That said, it is still very easy to implement things like recursion in Max, and the segmented patch cord that loops back make it very easy to spot. Computations can be stored if desired. Even global variables are possible to emulate in a naturally reusable way. I have the abstractions to prove it. You simply send a message via a send object to a receive which talks to the variable. The message you send contains a pointer (yes, I'm using the term loosely) back to a receive where the message was sent from. The receive at the variable holding object (be it an int, float, whatever) sets a forward to send to the receive that is being pointed to, and then sends the data to the forward object. You can abstract it as such that you just store your data in a "variable" object, and then access it whenever you want via a "getvariable" object. Of course to change the value in the variable, you'd just send data to a send object with the variable name as an argument. The point is though, I've only had to do this once in my history of Max programming, and this was for a very unique situation. If you find yourself wanting to use variables all the time in Max, you're thinking in a control flow way, not a dataflow way. > Max supports further extensibility in the form of procedures written in the C language, instead of the ability to abstract from the primitives in the language itself. This is just false -- perhaps it was different 12 years ago. > Furthermore, because Max is advertised as a language with an object-oriented flavor, one would expect a versatile system of data types (classes) and polymorphic modules (objects), which adapt their processing to the type of incoming data and their own identity. Max uses a system similar to prototypes, which has been proved to be approximately functionally equivalent to classes, except that with prototypes you don't have to waste your time making classes for one-off objects, etc. Many fully-featured textual OO languages (Self, Javascript, Rebol, etc) let you work just fine without any classes. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PrototypeBasedProgramming > Instead the neat old-fashioned block diagrams [e.g., of Music V-style instruments] that we used to see in articles (e.g., in the older ICMC proceedings), now awkward looking Max patches are often presented-no different symbols for modules, no different line types for different signal types, and a mess of wires. Even if the latter can be cleaned up, users often have to spend more time cleaning up the patch than creating it because the graphical editor does not support state-of-the-art consistency maintenance when moving modules, multiple moves etc. This is simply not true in the case of a decent Max programmer who understands the importance of encapsulation. While Max could use some things to speed graphical building (a clean up command a la Pd, a key command for new objects), generally the graphical nature encourages far more productivity than it wastes time. > On the negative side, as many people have mentioned, it doesn't scale well; large programs tend to become heaps of spaghetti unless one spends inordinate amounts of time laying them out. Again, if you encapsulate properly, you should, generally speaking, never have more than 20 or so objects visible in any one patch. I rarely, if ever do. Hardly a mess. > I would like to be able to click on a "code" object and have a window with editable C open up. Such a thing is now possible via the js and maxlisp objects. - - - Alright, I realize I just provided a rebuttal for something that's 12 year old, and things have changed since then, but if people are going to continue citing it then I suppose it won't hurt if I procrastinate my Max building and write this instead. Okay, back to work. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 06:34:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34189-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32284 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:34:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 32272 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:34:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:34:28 -0500 From: earphone <xxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] call for works : earphone music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx greetings, earphone music, invites you to submit a track for inclusion on our first compilation cd entitled: earphone 01. earphone music's goal is to document new electronic sound works that are either software or hardware derived. the area of our interest is in the genres of: microsound, lowercase, or something that loosely fits in within those terms. the scheduled date of release is: april 2005, so please have works to us by, march 1st 2005. we are also interested in artwork and/or a design for the cover. > guidelines: 1. please try to keep tracks under 5 minutes so we can have at least 14 artists on the cd. 2. you may submit more than one track, but only one will be on the "earphone 01" compilation. 3. you can submits tracks in any format you wish as long as the file specs are at least, 44.1kHz @ 16bits, you can submit audio files on cd, if you prefer. > what you get: 1. to be part of an ongoing series of documents of electronic music. 2. you will receive 10 copies of the CD that includes your track, a biography with links on our site, etc. 3. our unending appreciation for sharing your work. > where to send: m.mcnulty 620 park ave #319 rochester, ny 14607 u.s. if you have questions please e-mail: xxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx thank you, marc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 06:10:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34188-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25516 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:10:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 25504 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:10:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:10:30 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 27, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Michal Seta wrote: > John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > >> In summary, Pd will be your new god, and dataflow programming will be >> your new religion. Convert immediately. > > and to become a true follower and experience some serious community > brainwashing, by all means join #dataflow channel on irc.freenode.org. > You will even be allowed to talk about any other dataflow type > programming languages if you feel inclined. I've been meaning to do this, but I've been having trouble connecting from my dorm's network. I'll go kick some administrator ass or something. > Better even, there will be developers meetings on the channel in a > very near future so you may even get a chance to voice your opinion. > See you there. Lovely! - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 04:42:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34187-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98606 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:42:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 98595 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:42:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:48:34 -0500 From: Michal Seta <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <r02010400-1035-5D33D70F70DA11D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.320 (mx2.b2b2c.ca [66.158.128.214]); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:42:00 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-5.90 required=7.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Lines: 37 References: <r02010400-1035-5D33D70F70DA11D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > Michal Seta wrote on 1/27/05: > > >"In computer programming, dataflow languages are a class of > >programming languages that model the program, conceptually if not > >physically, as a directed graph of the data flowing between > >operations. Dataflow languages share some features of functional > >languages, and were generally developed in order to bring some > >functional concepts to a language more suitable for numeric > >processing." > > > >Perhaps some definitions have changed since 1993. > > Michael- > > I don't see how your quote supports an argument for a changed definition > of data-flow languages. This seems like a classic definition of > data-flow and one that Dannenberg wouldn't disagree with either. ok, sorry, I snipped too much of the Dannenberg quote. Relevant portion included below for your convenience. "The term "data-flow" is not a good description of Max except for the intuition. Data-flow computers and languages are based on the idea that (parallel) computations can be synchronized by data. For example, an addition operator would wait for its two operands before adding them. Note that this is not at all how Max works. I will not argue that Max should work this way, but since it doesn't, one should not call it a data-flow language. I think "patch language" or "visual programming language" are better terms." Not that I have something against Mr Dannenberg but the definition on wikipedia (if one can consider it a reliable resource) is a little more general than Mr Dannenberg's pedantic categorization. ../MiS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 03:12:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34186-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62501 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:12:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 62490 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:12:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:11:54 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-5D33D70F70DA11D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Michal Seta wrote on 1/27/05: >"In computer programming, dataflow languages are a class of >programming languages that model the program, conceptually if not >physically, as a directed graph of the data flowing between >operations. Dataflow languages share some features of functional >languages, and were generally developed in order to bring some >functional concepts to a language more suitable for numeric >processing." > >Perhaps some definitions have changed since 1993. Michael- I don't see how your quote supports an argument for a changed definition of data-flow languages. This seems like a classic definition of data-flow and one that Dannenberg wouldn't disagree with either. Best, <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 02:16:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34185-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42431 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:16:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 42421 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:16:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:16:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: colin <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] EM videos To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: colin <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx only saw 'drive' so far .. .. but i liked it!! -----Original Message----- From: Joao Duarte <xx.xxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Sent: Jan 27, 2005 1:58 PM To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] EM videos Here are some nice EM video clips for your enjoyment: http://www.geocities.com/pygar_pygar/index.html Have fun! http://pwp.netcabo.pt/op.cab.pol/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 01:33:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34184-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25144 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:33:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 25132 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:33:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:39:55 -0500 From: Michal Seta <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.320 (mx1.b2b2c.ca [66.158.128.213]); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:33:24 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-5.90 required=7.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Lines: 24 References: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > I think there's some debate as to whether Max/MSP/Pure Data qualifies as > a data-flow language: > > "The term "data-flow" is not a good description of Max except for the > intuition. Data-flow computers and languages are based on the idea that > (parallel) computations can be synchronized by data. For example, an [..snip..] "In computer programming, dataflow languages are a class of programming languages that model the program, conceptually if not physically, as a directed graph of the data flowing between operations. Dataflow languages share some features of functional languages, and were generally developed in order to bring some functional concepts to a language more suitable for numeric processing." Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataflow_language Perhaps some definitions have changed sine 1993. ../MiS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 01:22:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34183-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20145 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:22:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 20134 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:22:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:28:31 -0500 From: Michal Seta <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.320 (mx2.b2b2c.ca [66.158.128.214]); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:21:59 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-5.90 required=7.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Lines: 15 References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > In summary, Pd will be your new god, and dataflow programming will be > your new religion. Convert immediately. and to become a true follower and experience some serious community brainwashing, by all means join #dataflow channel on irc.freenode.org. You will even be allowed to talk about any other dataflow type programming languages if you feel inclined. Better even, there will be developers meetings on the channel in a very near future so you may even get a chance to voice your opinion. See you there. ../MiS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 28 00:08:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34182-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88109 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:08:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 88000 invoked from network); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:08:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:08:11 -0500 From: ndkent <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] what d'ya know Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "th_ost" <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... > > i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find > recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. > the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila > symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. that 3 CD "OHM" set (released by the Elipsis Arts label in 2000) of (mostly) historic electronic music has a Messaien piece - for 4 ondes here goes the album it's from (which I don't have) http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000006EI8 (if the link doesn't work it's a 1990 CD recorded by and self titled "Ensemble d'Ondes de Montréal") I think the key album (though surely not easily obtained) is a double 1980 LP by Jeanne Loriod "Les Ondes Martenot - 50e Anniversaire de leur invention " on the Musique Francais d'Aujourd'huis label cat# 21.007 ADÈS That's got the full Messiaen "Fête des belles eaux" with the 6 Ondes ensemble, Millhaud & Jolivet pieces for Ondes and piano and then a newly commissioned piece (by Tessier) to play on a 6 ondes ensemble. > does anybody know of other recordings? > also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there > are > schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics dyi > person, > just curious:(( ) It's vacuum tube technology though the inventor did update the technology and build some using more modern solid state components before he died. Though it's not really correct to simplify it quite so far, if you think about it, the sound is basically sine waves (though often treated even mechanically resonated within the system) so I'd think at least as much of it's distinction is it's user interface. I played a real one once for a couple minutes. You had the ring on wire that most people probably know about, but what's less known is the keyboard keys are baby sized and the whole mechanism rocks left and right for vibrato effects. So it's a little like a 2 part retinking of the theremin. You can do pitch sweeps. There's an accuracy to the sweeps that takes much longer to master on a real Theremin. But you still have manual vibrato... something well known to string players and vocalists but rarely taken advantage of in electronic music performance (where more or less fixed speed electronic LFOs rule when unexpressive samples aren't used). By the way. Radiohead might very well have bought a real one with their considerable money since then but kind of like like Portishead and their "Theremin", what they were using when their first got associated with the Ondes, and seen in videos of them live was actually a newlymade Analogue Systems French Connection CV keyboard controller meant for their line of analogue synth modules. (likely a prototype to be exact) . Anyway maybe someone will clue me in as to where if anywhere he's or they're playing a real Ondes rather than an Ondes his Analogue Systems inspired by synth controller. http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/controllers.htm (scroll to the bottom keyboard) Less expected movies with substantial Ondes playing in the scores are Maurice Jarre's "Passage to India" and Elmer Bernstein's "The Field". Takemitsu's "Rising Sun" (the Connery/Snipes film) along with several of his Japanese scores ("Legacy for the Future" was re-issued by DG Japan a few years back). More expected are "Ed Wood" and "Ghost Busters" (also by Elmer Bernstein) nicholas d. kent www,technopop.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 22:09:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34180-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32667 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:09:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 32657 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:09:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:14:00 -0600 From: DaveX <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000701c504bd$81382e80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <001701c504a3$4567ad50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <000a01c504ab$c8a1e8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <000c01c504b5$bb3520a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "still i can't help considering radiohead a bore trying to depress teenagers, which, according to lisa simpson, is "like shooting fish in a barrel"..." There's truth in what little Lisa said, but still, I can't say it's quite as boring as listening to the end result of the 56k challenge. Have you got around to listening to "Hail to the Thief" yet? It's some very nice music, maybe you'll find something to enjoy there. Lots of neat things going on. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 22:12:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34181-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35228 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:12:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 35217 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:12:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:12:32 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Ringtones project To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <024901c504bd$514789a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <001701c504a3$4567ad50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <000a01c504ab$c8a1e8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <000c01c504b5$bb3520a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Project prolonged. Three submissions yet - give it a try. 3n is my favourite signal. http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/RingTones Other projects (56k, DerridaMemorial) to be found over at: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/CollaborativeAudio /Björn Eriksson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 21:22:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34179-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4360 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:22:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 4348 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:22:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:18:21 +0100 From: th_ost <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c504b5$bb3520a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ah19BrFh1FNBKgcdV8QaGg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #3048294 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <001701c504a3$4567ad50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <000a01c504ab$c8a1e8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ah19BrFh1FNBKgcdV8QaGg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Got a problem with that? *lol* (that: of all the musicmaking entities out there it has to be radiohead?!!!?;((( ) yes! well, actually not really, since (or rather: as long as) nobody forces me to listen to them. the interview and other material on their website proved an interesting reading - so thanx for the info, nonetheless. still i can't help considering radiohead a bore trying to depress teenagers, which, according to lisa simpson, is "like shooting fish in a barrel"... th_ost °°° th_ost: tomoroh hidari_oliver stummer acronymic symbiosis of alter & ego http://www.tomoroh.com/ http://www.stiege44.com/ xxxxxx@xxx.xxx ay, sigue:56825202 >> we gonna fight for your right to apathy... << °°°°° --Boundary_(ID_ah19BrFh1FNBKgcdV8QaGg)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 20:12:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34178-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62962 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:12:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 62952 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:12:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:11:17 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <009201c504ac$7e2c5dd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on vinyl there was a musical heritage lp of messian chamber music, the ondes maritnot was not solo, but was in a small group setting. i still see this record for cheap robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "th_ost" <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. does anybody know of other recordings? also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there are schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics dyi person, just curious:(( ) thanx for any info oliver °°° th_ost: tomoroh hidari_oliver stummer acronymic symbiosis of alter & ego http://www.tomoroh.com/ http://www.stiege44.com/ xxxxxx@xxx.xxx ay, sigue:56825202 >> we gonna fight for your right to apathy... << °°°°° ----- Original Message ----- From: vze26m98 To: microsound Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 15:51 Subject: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... Maurice Martenot, luthier de l'electronique 1990. , Quebec 312 p. Croissy-Beaubourg: Dervy. ISBN: 2-85076-333-0 Special Features: illus., port., bibliog., list of works, discog., index Abstract: History of the ondes martenot, based in large part on interviews conducted with Maurice Martenot (the inventor), his wife, sisters, and sons; Marcel Maniere, Martenot's assistant during the last 30 years of his life; and performer Jeanne Loriod. Provides lists of performers; institutions that offer instruction in the instrument; places where one or more ondes martenot are to be found; and compositions featuring it.(Calderisi, Maria) <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 20:02:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34176-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55311 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:02:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 55300 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:02:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:07:08 -0600 From: DaveX <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000a01c504ab$c8a1e8e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <001701c504a3$4567ad50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Got a problem with that? *lol* DaveX of all the musicmaking entities out there it has to be radiohead?!!!?;((( °°°°° ----- Original Message ----- From: bruce tovsky To: microsound Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 18:15 Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... i do believe that jonny greenwood of radiohead is one of the devotees of the ondes, and has featured it on recordings of his own music as well as radiohead's. you can hear his use of the ondes on the kid a/amnesiac sessions. here's a link to an interview in the computer music journal: http://www.ateaseweb.com/news/archive/001014.php cheers bruce On Jan 27, 2005, at 10:34 AM, th_ost wrote: > i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find > recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. > the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila > symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. > > does anybody know of other recordings? > also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there > are schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics > dyi person, just curious:(( ) > > thanx for any info bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 20:02:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34177-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56239 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:02:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 56226 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:02:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Wayne Jackson <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] RE: MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eE28JpvSZBbJdcCN8gyy4tsi7VdIPUh9MO2CBM76oZwvivYax+9EKaFEGun1hgKka2fVd13k7noSIkcRYvBgYpCkpIADJSxq4FMgDnH6JJWCnlVuB2DWChclp8H1lygDDSq6yDumdevsEd17P4Om8KE8md1TOdbNlrSBkyijH2g= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I=B9m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat > simple task: using > a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate > that information > into midi information. Tim Thompson has implemented this as an undocumented part of his KeyKit algorithmic music framework (for Windows only, so far as I know): http://nosuch.com/keykit/ I've played with it personally and the results are very compelling. You should contact Tim personally with any questions. -Wayne xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 19:10:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34175-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22086 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:09:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 22076 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:09:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:06:13 +0100 From: th_ost <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001701c504a3$4567ad50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PHj3UkFD9t4NTtX3gcojew)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #3048294 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_PHj3UkFD9t4NTtX3gcojew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit of all the musicmaking entities out there it has to be radiohead?!!!?;((( °°° th_ost: tomoroh hidari_oliver stummer acronymic symbiosis of alter & ego http://www.tomoroh.com/ http://www.stiege44.com/ xxxxxx@xxx.xxx ay, sigue:56825202 >> we gonna fight for your right to apathy... << °°°°° ----- Original Message ----- From: bruce tovsky To: microsound Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 18:15 Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... i do believe that jonny greenwood of radiohead is one of the devotees of the ondes, and has featured it on recordings of his own music as well as radiohead's. you can hear his use of the ondes on the kid a/amnesiac sessions. here's a link to an interview in the computer music journal: http://www.ateaseweb.com/news/archive/001014.php cheers bruce On Jan 27, 2005, at 10:34 AM, th_ost wrote: > i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find > recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. > the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila > symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. > > does anybody know of other recordings? > also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there > are schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics > dyi person, just curious:(( ) > > thanx for any info bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_PHj3UkFD9t4NTtX3gcojew)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 18:59:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34174-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14156 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:59:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 14143 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:59:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:58:53 +0000 From: Joao Duarte <xx.xxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] EM videos To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NFb5lSWsLDbYvVz2h6ZHBg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2005 18:58:56.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[40A6BF50:01C504A2] --Boundary_(ID_NFb5lSWsLDbYvVz2h6ZHBg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some nice EM video clips for your enjoyment: http://www.geocities.com/pygar_pygar/index.html Have fun! http://pwp.netcabo.pt/op.cab.pol/index.html --Boundary_(ID_NFb5lSWsLDbYvVz2h6ZHBg)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 18:35:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34173-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 274 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:35:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 264 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:35:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:39:49 -0600 From: DaveX <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Yasunao Tone To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000e01c5049f$95dfa3e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The same goes for me. Contact us both. Maybe a combined effort will help uncover a recording of his... DaveX > I'm looking for any live performances or other rare audio by Yasunao > Tone. Should you have something please contact me and we can work out a > trade. > Please contact me off list. > > best, > Jacob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 18:14:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34172-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85681 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:13:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 85659 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:13:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:13:23 +0100 From: Jacob Ludvigsen <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Yasunao Tone To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by mail (at) galnet.dk X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi I'm looking for any live performances or other rare audio by Yasunao Tone. Should you have something please contact me and we can work out a trade. Please contact me off list. best, Jacob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 17:42:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34170-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71774 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 71763 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:53:43 -0800 From: Jonathan Zorn <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think the Messiaen piece Oraision on the compilation OHM early pioneers of electronic music is a solo for ondes martenot. Also Messiaen's opera St Francois d'Assise features an ondes martenot trio. jonathan On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:15 AM, bruce tovsky wrote: > i do believe that jonny greenwood of radiohead is one of > the devotees of the ondes, and has featured it on recordings > of his own music as well as radiohead's. you can hear his > use of the ondes on the kid a/amnesiac sessions. > here's a link to an interview in the computer music journal: > http://www.ateaseweb.com/news/archive/001014.php > cheers > bruce > > On Jan 27, 2005, at 10:34 AM, th_ost wrote: > >> i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find >> recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. >> the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila >> symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. >> >> does anybody know of other recordings? >> also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given >> there are schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an >> electronics dyi person, just curious:(( ) >> >> thanx for any info > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 17:43:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34171-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72875 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:43:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 72865 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:43:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Show announcements = costly faux-pas? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ok... thanks for the encouragement, folks. Here's a link to the full text of tonight's (thursday) show of Antimatter and Miba in San Francisco. www.bayimproviser.com/luggagestore I'll only post events here that are likely to be interesting in a "microsound" context. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 17:24:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34169-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63060 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:24:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 63050 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:24:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:24:26 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-4B711A77708811D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bruce tovsky wrote on 1/27/05: >i do believe that jonny greenwood of radiohead is one of >the devotees of the ondes, and has featured it on recordings >of his own music as well as radiohead's. Jeanne Loriod was supposed to record w/Radiohead, but sadly passed away... <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 17:23:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34168-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61504 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:23:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 61494 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:23:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:23:35 +0000 From: Domonkos Nagy <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx-xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2005 17:23:36.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF63C050:01C50494] well, the windows version is not really complete. it lacks e.g. scheduling, OSCresponder, GUI... On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 04:34:28PM +0000, Edward George wrote: > Actually, i seem to remember downloading a windows port of > supercollider from sourceforge. > So the option is there i reckon for windows people if they fancy it. > > *PureData* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 17:15:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34167-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53582 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:15:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 53572 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:15:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:25 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... In-reply-to: <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i do believe that jonny greenwood of radiohead is one of the devotees of the ondes, and has featured it on recordings of his own music as well as radiohead's. you can hear his use of the ondes on the kid a/amnesiac sessions. here's a link to an interview in the computer music journal: http://www.ateaseweb.com/news/archive/001014.php cheers bruce On Jan 27, 2005, at 10:34 AM, th_ost wrote: > i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find > recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. > the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila > symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. > > does anybody know of other recordings? > also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there > are schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics > dyi person, just curious:(( ) > > thanx for any info bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 16:51:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34165-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38477 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:51:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 38466 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:51:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:51:41 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-B8C36799708311D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Nowak wrote on 1/27/05: >nearly any type of application. Anyone who tells you that SC is more >powerful because it is a "real" or "textual" language is not familiar >with the true nature of dataflow programming. It is a very powerful and >In summary, Pd will be your new god, and dataflow programming will be >your new religion. Convert immediately. John- I think there's some debate as to whether Max/MSP/Pure Data qualifies as a data-flow language: "The term "data-flow" is not a good description of Max except for the intuition. Data-flow computers and languages are based on the idea that (parallel) computations can be synchronized by data. For example, an addition operator would wait for its two operands before adding them. Note that this is not at all how Max works. I will not argue that Max should work this way, but since it doesn't, one should not call it a data-flow language. I think "patch language" or "visual programming language" are better terms. Since Max is not a data-flow language, it lacks many of their nice properties. Interestingly, most signal processing, and certainly DSP based on unit generators, is essentially data-flow computation. Even the Max extensions for signal processing on the IRCAM Signal Processing Workstation follow the data-flow paradigm, resulting in a mismatch between the event-based Max operators and the signal/data-flow-based Max operators. The boxes and lines look the same, but the underlying semantics are quite different. This is a manifestation of some of the problems that Desain and Honing describe." Roger Dannenberg Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA For the rest try: <http://cf.hum.uva.nl/mmm/papers/dh-93-b.txt> Best, <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 17:01:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34166-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44174 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:01:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 44162 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:01:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:34:28 +0000 From: Edward George <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Edward George <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pP/NQcbULUhp883veq14rgg7M2H1O/2k8CHzJAOP0xWrI94UJAh+Gwp3JYOe4VDZFNeelPLl0VTahfSXN10f55wbYFBwAiqhnWNF9Kitl7aY555YTRkw6N6JxOckSaDzY0ADFGkN6It3EAToXW9OI9el9X5vmTsnqP9Kov7nCJ8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Supercollider doesn't run on Windows anyway Actually, i seem to remember downloading a windows port of supercollider from sourceforge. So the option is there i reckon for windows people if they fancy it. *PureData* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 16:19:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34164-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21816 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:19:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 21803 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:19:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:19:47 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 27, 2005, at 10:08 AM, john saylor wrote: >> supercollider and puredata seem to be the best two choices. which >> should i learn first? > > pd > > cross platform > active development > 'cousin' of max > can do as much as you have brain to make it > open source > > you'll need to work to get it to do what you want- but it can do pretty > much anything you'll want it to. I agree with this 100%. Supercollider is more flexible only in the sense that signal objects can be manipulated more dynamically while audio processing is occurring, although often you can get the same thing done in Pd/Max via pre-scripting, matrix~ objects, etc. Otherwise, dataflow languages like Pd are hugely powerful for building nearly any type of application. Anyone who tells you that SC is more powerful because it is a "real" or "textual" language is not familiar with the true nature of dataflow programming. It is a very powerful and non-domain-specific paradigm. That said, not everyone's brain is compatible with it. Some people find SC easier than Pd, although I'd say most of the time people find Pd easier (if for no other reason than that there is less initial shock). Supercollider doesn't run on Windows anyway, so unless you're willing to switch to Linux or BSD (which you should of course, if for no other reason than to avoid people telling you to switch), you have to go with Pd. That said, it kicks ass. I prefer Max due to the tons of excellent documentation, easy standalone building, wider array of externals (although Pd is catching up for sure), and Jitter (although gridflow is also becoming very viable as far as I can tell). Of course you can always learn Pd and move to Max later if you want. I installed Pd for the first time a few weeks back, and I was able to begin working immediately. The only real differences are how ordering ambiguities are resolved (I prefer the Max method) how abstraction instantiation is dealt with in regards to arguments (I prefer the Pd method), and if you can edit abstractions or not (you can in Pd, and you can't in Max, but saving an editing abstraction in Pd is functionally equivalent to editing the original in Max anyway). There are of course many features that they do not share, but as far as the core concepts go, that's about it (as far as I can tell). Someone correct me if I'm missing some mid-level differences, which I likely am as I'm not Pd expert. In summary, Pd will be your new god, and dataflow programming will be your new religion. Convert immediately. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 16:07:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34163-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12733 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:07:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 12723 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:07:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:08:43 -0500 From: Mike Hansen <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CKLN FM's Whynot Jazz playlist for January 12, 2005 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Dear Artist and Label > > Welcome to the radio program Whynot Jazz on Toronto's CKLN FM 88.1. > Heard Every Wednesday Morning from 7am-11am est, 1pm thru most of > Europe and noon in the UK. 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Thu Jan 27 15:38:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34162-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050127153814.STLQ3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:38:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 96988 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:38:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 96972 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:38:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:34:07 +0100 From: th_ost <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000e01c50485$a9f340e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nBV+u24IWcKECOS3PcfcGA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #3048294 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_nBV+u24IWcKECOS3PcfcGA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i am very interested in the ondes martenot, but found it hard to find recordings of it, especially unacommpanied ones. the only one i have is a recording of olivier messiaen's turangalila symphony conducted by seiji ozawa. does anybody know of other recordings? also, does anybody know how hard it would be to build one, given there are schematics of it to be found (i am absolutely NOT an electronics dyi person, just curious:(( ) thanx for any info oliver °°° th_ost: tomoroh hidari_oliver stummer acronymic symbiosis of alter & ego http://www.tomoroh.com/ http://www.stiege44.com/ xxxxxx@xxx.xxx ay, sigue:56825202 >> we gonna fight for your right to apathy... << °°°°° ----- Original Message ----- From: vze26m98 To: microsound Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 15:51 Subject: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... Maurice Martenot, luthier de l'electronique 1990. , Quebec 312 p. Croissy-Beaubourg: Dervy. ISBN: 2-85076-333-0 Special Features: illus., port., bibliog., list of works, discog., index Abstract: History of the ondes martenot, based in large part on interviews conducted with Maurice Martenot (the inventor), his wife, sisters, and sons; Marcel Maniere, Martenot's assistant during the last 30 years of his life; and performer Jeanne Loriod. Provides lists of performers; institutions that offer instruction in the instrument; places where one or more ondes martenot are to be found; and compositions featuring it.(Calderisi, Maria) <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_nBV+u24IWcKECOS3PcfcGA)-- From ???@??? 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Thu Jan 27 15:09:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34160-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79869 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:09:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 79836 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:09:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:09:21 +0100 (CET) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 26/01/05 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_M0MFDCMNucbY3COQtc+UeA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_M0MFDCMNucbY3COQtc+UeA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM - Miércoles/Wednesday 15h - www.circulobellasartes.com Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM - Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h - www.uam.es/ra Escucha en directo a cualquier hora / Listen live real time - www.ondasonoraradio.com _________________________________ CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 26/01/05 01. REUBER Track: Foreverof Album: VA Tempo Technik Teamwork Label: Staubgold Timo Reuber es un músico electrónico de raíces psicodélicas que mantiene lazos musicales con Markus Detmer, fundador de Staubgold, en su proyecto conjunto Klangwart, y que recientemente publicaba, precisamente en este sello alemán, su tercer álbum, "Kintopp", un trabajo lleno de secuencias de diferentes contextos ensambladas a modo de collage. Este, sin embargo, es el corte de Reuber incluído en el último recopilatorio de Staubgold, "Tempo Technik Teamwork", un doble cd que documenta las múltiples caras de un sello polifacético Timo Reuber is an electronic musician of psychedelic roots keeping musical knots with Markus Detmer (Staubgold founder) in their combined project Klangwart. He recently releaseded in this German label his third album, "Kintopp", a work filled with sequences of different contexts assembled as a kind of collage. This is, however, the track included by Reuber in the last compilation of the label, "Tempo Technik Teamwork", a double cd that documents the multiple faces of a versatile company 02. MINIT Track: Ij Muiden Album: Now Right Here Label: Staubgold Continuamos con Minit, un proyecto originario de Sydney con residencia actual en Berlin, formado por Jasmine Guffond y Torben Tilly. Se trata de un disco disturbante, mitad emocional mitad frío, mitad ruido, mitad armonía, titulado "Now Right Here", un trabajo que evoluciona hipnóticamente y se desarrolla a través de samplings, procesado digital y técnicas electroacústicas We continue with Minit, a Sydney native project with current residence in Berlin, formed by Jasmine Guffond and Torben Tilly. It is a disturbing record, half emotional half cold, half noise, half harmony, entitled "Now Right Here", a work that evolves hypnotically and is developed through samplings, digital processing and electro-acoustic techniques 03. DEAN ROBERTS Track: Part 1 Title: And the Black Moths Play the Grand Cinema Label: Staubgold Segundo trabajo del neozelandés Dean Roberts, originalmente publicado por Ritornell el año 2000 y recientemente reeditado por Staubgold, un álbum en el que Roberts posiblemente alcanzó la cima de su carrera, aunque ha continuado publicando varios discos más a través del sello Kranky Second work of the neozelander Dean Roberts, originally released by Ritornell the year 2000 and recently reissued by Staubgold, an album in which Roberts maybe reached his higher point, although he has several more releases on the Kranky label 04. AUTISTIC DAUGHTERS Track: Spend It On The Enemy (While It Was Raining) Album: Jealousy and Diamond Label: Staubgold Proyecto conjunto de Dean Roberts junto a los vieneses Martin Brandlmayr (Radian, Trapist) y Werner Dafeldecker (a quien conocemos como componente de Polwechsel y por sus múltiples obras de colaboración con otros improvisadores de prestigio): The Autistic Daughters. Este es su primer trabajo: "Jealousy and Diamond", publicado a medias por Staubgold desde Alemania, en su versión vinilo, y Kranky en los Estados Unidos, en su versión cd Project Dean Roberts together with the Vienesse artists Martin Brandlmayr (Radian, Trapist) and Werner Dafeldecker (we know him as a component of Polwechsel and for his multiple collaborative works with other prestiged improvisators): The Autistic Daughters. This is their first work together, released by both Staubgold from Germany, the vinyl version, and Kranky in the United States, the cd 05. BRANDLMAYR/ DAFELDECKER/ NEMETH/ SIEWERT Track: Part 5 Album: Die Instabilität Der Symetrie Label: Doc / Grob Recordings Desde Austria, el percusionista Martin Brandlmayr y el contrabajista Werner Dafeldecker, a quienes se unen en esta ocasión el músico electrónico Stefan Nemeth, director también del sello Mosz y el guitarrista y productor Martin Siewert, todos con un background musical común, dado que se han cruzado los unos con los otros muchas veces y en muy diferentes proyectos, del pop a la pura improvisación From Austria, percusionist Martin Brandlmayr and bassist Werner Dafeldecker, joined in this occasion by electronic musician Stefan Nemeth, as well director of the Mosz label, and guitarist and productor Martin Siewert, all with a common musical background, since they have crossed each other many times and in very different projects, from pop music to pure improvisation 06. VITOR JOAQUIM Track: Vii Album: A Rose is a Rose Label: dOc Vitor Joaquim, artista multidisciplinar portugués que comenzó trabajando en teatro, cine e interpretación y que posteriormente comenzó a desarrollar un extenso trabajo como creador de atmósferas y sonidos originales para todo tipo de formatos: danza, cine, vídeo o instalaciones, hasta que publicara en 1997 su primer disco, "Tales From Chaos". Desde entonces, ha editado en Cronica Electronica y más recientemente para el sello austríaco dOC Vitor Joaquim, Portuguese multidisciplinar artist that began working for theater, cinema and interpretation, later started to develop an extensive work as a creator of atmospheres and original sounds for all kind of productions: dance, cinema, video or installations, until he released in 1997 his first record, "Tales From Chaos". From then on, he has released some more works in Cronica Electronica and more recently for the Austrian label dOC 07. OYSTER Track: Coins Causing Galvanic Corrosion Album: Oyster Label: Fukk God Colaboración entre dos músicos originarios de Florida, Danny L. y Greg Kowalsky, al que conocíamos por sus trabajos bajo el alias Osso Bucco, un proyecto para el que han tomado el sobrenombre Oyster que investiga en armonías sutiles y texturas densas, editado por Fukk God Let's Create, netlabel dedicado a distribuir gratuitamente via internet sonidos electrónicos de raíz abstracta Collaboration between two Florida native musicians, Danny L. and Greg Kowalsky (Osso Bucco), a project for which they have taken the Oyster moniker, investigating in subtle harmonies and dense textures. Released by Fukk God Let's Create, a netlabel dedicated to the free distribution of abstract electronic sounds via internet 08. KARL MIDHOLM Track: 2 Album: Drömminge EP Label: Fukk God Acabamos en el sello Fukk God con el "Drömminge EP" de Karl Midholm, artista sueco que lleva varios trabajando en el campo del ambient noise bajo el sobrenombre Ovum, aunque ésta es la segunda referencia que edita bajo su propio nombre, un disco que en ocasiones recuerda a la división más ambiental de Kranky y en otras, como ésta, desarrolla paisajes sonoros de inspiración más industrial We end in the Fukk God netlabel with Karl Midholm's "Drömminge EP", a Swedish artist that has been working in the field of ambient noise under the Ovum moniker, although this is his second reference under his own name, a record that remembers to the most environmental division of Kranky at times, and develops sound landscapes of a more industrial inspiration at other times, as this one ______ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado "borrame" y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas gracias Note: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could be interesting for you. If that’s not the case, then reply us with this subject for the message: "delete me", and you will be inmediately out from the mailing. Thank you --------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_M0MFDCMNucbY3COQtc+UeA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 14:53:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34159-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72178 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:53:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 72165 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:53:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:08:11 -0500 From: john saylor <xx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi ( 05.01.26 22:17 -0500 ) david golightly: > i'm slowly becoming disillusioned with Csound well, i've always thought csound is better as a non-real [imaginary?] time tool. for composers and their descendants. > supercollider and puredata seem to be the best two choices. which > should i learn first? pd cross platform active development 'cousin' of max can do as much as you have brain to make it open source you'll need to work to get it to do what you want- but it can do pretty much anything you'll want it to. -- \js ;~|+}\= ]:> http://or8.net/~johns .{)\. iraq body count: 15,493 [min] 17,721 [max] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 14:51:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34158-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70478 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:51:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 70467 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:51:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:51:38 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Ondes Martinot... In-reply-to: <r02010400-1035-E196E12E706B11D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-F2BA0D12707211D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Maurice Martenot, luthier de l'electronique 1990. , Quebec 312 p. Croissy-Beaubourg: Dervy. ISBN: 2-85076-333-0 Special Features: illus., port., bibliog., list of works, discog., index Abstract: History of the ondes martenot, based in large part on interviews conducted with Maurice Martenot (the inventor), his wife, sisters, and sons; Marcel Maniere, Martenot's assistant during the last 30 years of his life; and performer Jeanne Loriod. Provides lists of performers; institutions that offer instruction in the instrument; places where one or more ondes martenot are to be found; and compositions featuring it.(Calderisi, Maria) <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Thu Jan 27 14:01:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34156-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50022 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:01:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 50010 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:01:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:02 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] monsier brel and madame loriod In-reply-to: <R02010100-1037-32728446705B11D9A9A1000D933B19D8@[84.132.119.1]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1035-E196E12E706B11D99387000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx stephan mathieu wrote on 1/27/05: >this morning i've heard a version of 'ne me quitte pas' by jacques >brel featuring jeanne loriod on the ondes martenot, an absolutely >stunning performance. now i dont seem to find any info on wich album >this recording can be found. Sure it's not the original recording? (Barclay LP 80.470, 1972) "Elle a même touché quelque peu au cinéma en participant à l’enregistrement des musiques de Maurice Jarre pour Lawrence d’Arabie, et à la variété en collaborant avec Jacques Brel pour sa célèbre chanson Ne me quitte pas..." <http://www.musimem.com/obi-0701-1201.htm> <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 13:11:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34155-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39036 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:11:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 39024 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:11:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:11:03 +0000 From: Richard Whitelaw <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Capsule at the Spitz, London To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1E98E7.3B28%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Capsule presents Supersonic treats from the city of Birmingham Live performances from: Black Galaxy vs Kreepa (ex napalm death/scorn) ZX Spectrum Orchestra (feat. Brian Duffy + Mike in Mono ex Plone) Esquilax Visuals by Beat13 Record Stalls: Static Caravan/Experimental Seafood/Type Saturday 29th January THE SPITZ. 109 COMMERCIAL ST. OLD SPITALFIELDS MARKET. LONDON. E1 6BG 8.30pm - till late £5 In recent years, Birmingham has developed a potent electronica scene, breeding artists such as Plone, Broadcast, Pram, Magnetophone, Scorn, Sand, Tele:Funken, The Modified Toy Orchestra, Dreams Of Tall Buildings, PCM and Mike In Mono. Innovative artists need innovative record labels. The current Birmingham scene is bristling with vital new set-ups that are dedicated to the music's confrontational byways, without relinquishing its funky pulse... Black Galaxy features Nicholas Bullen whose abrasive work in Napalm Death initiated a new musical genre known as 'Grindcore' and later a member of the dark, isolationist and dub-influenced Scorn. In collaboration with Simon Mabbutt they fuse cold and alien galactic soundscapes with minimal warped bass and glacial rhythmic underpinnings to create nocturnal sonorities. kREEPA mix electronic and acoustic elements to create improvisations that explore the dynamic interplay between acousmatic synthesis and instrumental approaches. (Members of Sand) ZX Spectrum Orchestra (feat. Brian Duffy + Mike in Mono) its capability to create a more unconventional sound is limitless. Everything you will see and hear is derived from a steep and logistic learning curve. Peek, Poke and Merge. Brian Duffy / Modified Toy Orchestra works with electronic sound toys that have been rewired and reconfigured to create a series of musical instruments each creating their own new electronic sounds which oscillate between the familiar function of the toys and new sounds far removed from the original function. Mike In Mono (UK Halfeaten Records) aka Mike Johnston is better known as member of Birmingham's kitsch electronica trio Plone (Warp). His ever growing fondness for 'spoken word' is now a relished element in the mike-in-mono show. Esquilax are a shiny party plastic new wave avant-garde pop terror group -possessed by Devo, raised by Agoraphobic Nosebleed. A sample of forthcoming treats at the Supersonic Festival due to take place on 15th/16th July 05 at the Custard Factory Birmingham. http://www.capsule.org.uk For images or further info contact Lisa/Jenny 0121 248 2252 xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 12:01:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34154-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21553 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 21543 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:01:36 +0100 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] monsier brel and madame loriod In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1037-32728446705B11D9A9A1000D933B19D8@[84.132.119.1]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this morning i've heard a version of 'ne me quitte pas' by jacques brel featuring jeanne loriod on the ondes martenot, an absolutely stunning performance. now i dont seem to find any info on wich album this recording can be found. any help is greatly appreaciated, please contact me off-list - stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 09:30:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34153-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85606 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:29:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 85594 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:29:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:29:53 -0800 From: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [spam] Vancouver: pino the frog + Phil Thomson, Jan 28 @ BLIM To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Phil Thomson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rpdXIju0Slb92P2UGmA3KNOqPFHecv7/D+cn8hwjweCvVjoqd1byIIbaV3lUSQC3OX/d3IwZVJ3QVSuicuDmFASScqMvm7y0WTDEFmiwqVpU4LIn+fP+jrrWy8ofI8qHiH1uvwB4LMaI4sw4rPMf+t0VVjzeVyI////V7N1gXrU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey all, Anyone in the Vancouver area might want to check out a show @ BLIM (#600 - 23 W. Pender) this Friday. Me and a guy named pino the frog (http://www.fragm.net/pinothefrog/) are playing. There is another show the same night at Video In as well, featuring coin gutter among others. Phil -- Phil Thomson xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx { home: http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson/ { blog: http://www.bloglines.com/blog/PhilThomson { label: http://centibel.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 07:15:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34152-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18346 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:15:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 18336 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:15:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:15:05 -0500 From: koen <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Tonic 01/28 - Queens (Jane, 14K | NYC) Mountains (Aero & Anderegg, Apestaarje | NYC) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1DFF27.C1F%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Please come join us MIDNIGHT 01/28 UPSTAIRS at Tonic :: Queens (Jane, 14K | NYC) : Queens is Scott Mou's solo project. When he's not performing as Queens, he works at Other Music, performs as Jane with one of the Animal Collective guys and as 14K with Hisham (ex-Black Dice), and is also one hell of a minimal techno DJ. Queens is quiet electro-acoustic drones done very well. Mountains (Aero & Anderegg, Apestaarje | NYC) : Mountains is new project from Apestaarje label barons Brendon Anderegg and Koen Holtkamp, who are more known for their minimal and melodic Aero & Anderegg projects. Mountains covers a lot of ground, sweetly drifting between minimal electronic and new folk. For tonights show they promise something a little louder, including an accordian... Tonic is located at 107 Norfolk Street between Delancey and Rivington Streets in Manhattan's Lower East Side. You can take the F train to Delancey Street or the J/M/Z trains to Essex Street. Once you exit the station walk east (towards the Williamsburg bridge) on Delancey Street and take your first left onto Norfolk. You will see Tonic about half up the block on your left. apestaartje www.staartje.com ............................................................................. OUT NOW :: sebastien roux - pillow (staartje017) cd COMING SOON :: mountains - s/t (staartje018) cd ............................................................................ NEW ADDRESS :: 782 manhattan ave #2L brooklyn ny 11222 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 04:48:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34151-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74533 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:48:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 74519 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:48:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:55:13 -0500 From: Michal Seta <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.320 (mx1.b2b2c.ca [66.158.128.213]); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:50 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-5.90 required=7.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Lines: 15 References: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > as has already been mentioned, there are objects in > the jitter video package for max/msp that do this very > thing. you might also check out softVNS and isadora. > cheers > bruce gridflow (www.gridflow.ca) will do that too. Well, actually, gridflow will pull numbers off your images and you do the rest with vanilla PD. Source code for your perusal is also available. ../MiS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 04:15:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34150-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64453 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:15:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 64443 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:15:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:17:36 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] development environment In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I use Pure Data exclusively for live performance, installations and recording, but it is something of a rabbit hole once you fall in. CSound is ancient, and not meant for realtime at all. SuperCollider is neat, powerful, and a step deeper into the learning curve than a graphical environment like PD or Max/MSP [but more suited to realtime DSP in its own way]. If you are really worried about platform, the PD would be a better choice, as it is available for windoze, OSX, Linux, and Irix. If you are seriously concerned about platfrom, however, you might investigate Linux as an architecture-independent solution. In the end I found the benefits of Linux outweighed the lerning curve immensely. In short, my advice would be to check out PD on whatever platform you dig. Get on the mailing list and ask a bizillion questions, caiuse that's the only way you'll learn anything. Once you run into dead ends with the realtime, learn to optimize PD better or start playing with SuperCollider. The stuff you learned from PD will only help, as PD is *far* better at data-flow processing than SC. Then install Linx on every piece of hardware you have and really go to town ;-) In fact, the best option would be to combine PD+SC on Linux via OSC, or maybe even build a sweet interface in Java or Proce55ing. good luck and see you on the frequency again soon, d. david golightly wrote: > hello list, > i'm slowly becoming disillusioned with Csound - my first real > development platform - because of its poor real-time performance. i'm > ready to learn a new language, then. i'd like to use max/msp but can't > afford it (i KNEW i never should have graduated from school!). so i'd > like some feedback, offlist if you prefer: supercollider and puredata > seem to be the best two choices. which should i learn first? what have > you used? what would you avoid? what has the best all-around learning > curve/power of control tradeoff? how about live performance? (no > pricey commercial software please!) i'm using an 800mhz windoze xp > desktop pc and an 300mhz ibook so anything that runs on both platforms > would be ideal. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 04:10:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34149-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60368 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:10:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 60358 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:10:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:10:05 +0000 From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Self-promo/new release To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 18 2004) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hzsK4pfO8Yz7RlmcMXOr0w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated-Sender: dGlvbmxlZUBhdHQubmV0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_hzsK4pfO8Yz7RlmcMXOr0w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, i have a sampler w/ you on it....it came in CABNET magazine -t -------------- Original message from Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: -------------- > Hi all, > > Since some people have claimed that they don't mind self promotion type > posts, Here ya go... > > New omnid full legth release on Retinascan Records. Go here for details/mp3 > clips: http://www.retinascan.de/compactdiscs/fcd48.htm > > also out now: > > omnid "Wrong Number" 3"cd-r on Authorised Version > http://www.a-version.co.uk/releases.htm > > best, > albert casais > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --Boundary_(ID_hzsK4pfO8Yz7RlmcMXOr0w)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 03:20:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34148-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39975 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:20:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 39965 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:20:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:17:32 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] development environment X-Originating-IP: [64.253.118.140] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2005 03:18:01.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE946990:01C5041E] hello list, i'm slowly becoming disillusioned with Csound - my first real development platform - because of its poor real-time performance. i'm ready to learn a new language, then. i'd like to use max/msp but can't afford it (i KNEW i never should have graduated from school!). so i'd like some feedback, offlist if you prefer: supercollider and puredata seem to be the best two choices. which should i learn first? what have you used? what would you avoid? what has the best all-around learning curve/power of control tradeoff? how about live performance? (no pricey commercial software please!) i'm using an 800mhz windoze xp desktop pc and an 300mhz ibook so anything that runs on both platforms would be ideal. thanks david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 02:14:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34147-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14988 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:14:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 14978 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:14:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:11:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "xxxxx@xxxx.xxx" <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: [phonography] seeking a contact for Thanos Chrysakis. X-Originating-IP: [64.40.55.72] To: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvUlywOzAdUA1m+vWDb7mPmWCtYy+uEcaqA== X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2484182486 X-MAIL-INFO: 3d133aaa574aaa73e7b793fa9edb9363476b631e02c79ef30e6a5b0b8ba38e6e7f1ee3ae1bebeb2ba3fe6ecf0a6e2fbb232b7f133b1adff79797faab638adf3ab79a9a4e8fba4b9b5a37afe3c3872abbbbdb9ea3ea0b0bee5f577aa327e76e93b3fe57e7e767d76f02fe0a2b4747 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Robert, As far as I know, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx is still his e-mail address. I am also sending this to him, so if it returns to me then maybe he changed it recently. Best, Dale Dale Lloyd: http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html and/OAR: http://www.and-oar.org/ NEW: Turba / Lateral Minor (Stasisfield.com) NEW: Volatile And Fixed Principles (leerraum) Hi, I'm wondering (and hoping) that someone on the list can help put me in touch with the sound artist Thanos Chrysakis, or even if you are on this list yourself Thanos. I've been emailing a freenet uk address but it's being returned. This is quite urgent and concerns 'drift | resonant cities' (of which I am the curator. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Regards. Robert King --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 01:54:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34146-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050127015409.IUFN3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:54:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 6765 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:54:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 6751 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:54:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:01:02 -0500 From: Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Self-promo/new release To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1DB58D.8081%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all, Since some people have claimed that they don't mind self promotion type posts, Here ya go... New omnid full legth release on Retinascan Records. Go here for details/mp3 clips: http://www.retinascan.de/compactdiscs/fcd48.htm also out now: omnid "Wrong Number" 3"cd-r on Authorised Version http://www.a-version.co.uk/releases.htm best, albert casais --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 00:39:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34145-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050127003927.FCIG3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:39:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 73413 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:39:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 73402 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:39:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:39:24 +0100 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130303be1de8433b9a@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >i believe Image/ine development has halted. -Dead as a dead parrot can be and that's pretty dead.... http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 00:34:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34144-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69433 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:34:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 69421 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:34:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:34:00 +0000 From: xxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.13.1 (webedge20-101-1100-20040114) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx you could also check VNS (very nervous system) http://homepage.mac.com/davidrokeby/softVNS.html j-l > > From: tkrakowiak <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > Date: 2005/01/26 on PM 10:10:47 GMT > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Ämne: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? > > > check out STEIM software, Big Eye > > http://www.steim.org/steim/products.html > > > cheers > t > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:01:18 -0500, Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> > wrote: > > > > > I¹m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat simple task: > > using > > a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate that > > information > > into midi information. I¹d be shocked if this hasn¹t been done already, > > and > > I¹d really like to find a download of an application or even some source > > code to do this, as I really don¹t want to ³reinvent the wheel².. > > > > Thanks. > > -adam > > > > adam young > > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 27 00:20:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34143-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62370 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:19:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 62358 invoked from network); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:19:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i believe Image/ine development has halted. http://www.image-ine.org/ /sean > Have a look at the GEM and PDP externals for Pure Data. They're open > source and very configurable. You could also look at EyesWeb for > windoze, or Imagine for the Mac. > > derek > > > > Adam Young wrote: >> I¹m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat simple task: >> using >> a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate that >> information >> into midi information. I¹d be shocked if this hasn¹t been done already, >> and >> I¹d really like to find a download of an application or even some source >> code to do this, as I really don¹t want to ³reinvent the wheel².. > > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 36: > "Consult other sources > -promising > -unpromising" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Wed Jan 26 23:15:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34141-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27418 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:15:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 27407 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:15:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:13:32 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> X-Originating-IP: [68.165.209.33] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 23:14:01.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8956E90:01C503FC] I have half a dre bank (two pocket controlers) 32 knobs, they are great, very tiny, steel, the pots are solid. main draw back - you have to carry the big ass wallwarts and use a usb/midi interface. The evolution stuff felt kinda cheap and toy like to me, all plastic parts, I bet if you had one of those controllers in a bag and say was on a bus there would be a really good chance you would find that the knobs had broken off, I say go with the german engineering if you can, I got mine off ebay for fairly cheap. >are the knobs sturdy enough for heavy use? i noticed the evolution >uc33 knobs seem to wear out. >the faderfox.de controllers are very nice too. and battery operated. >>I have the Drehbank, and it's a great controller. The >>editor leaves a lot to be desired, but generally I just >>leave the Drehbank programmed to do MIDI CC 1-64 and assign >>away in software. Part of my current live kit is Ableton >>with a Drehbank. It's a lethal combination. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 22:39:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34140-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12901 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:39:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 12891 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:39:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:41:45 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1D86D9.1D1%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I like the evolution uc-33e a lot...cheap, simple, versatile, light & portable...great fun with ableton. Build quality seems ok, but not spectacular (I have an encore electronics slidemate that's built like a tank...i think their 'knobby' controller' is now on sale, but be aware that there is no osX editor for the thing... www.encoreelectronics.com) On 1/26/05 1:03 PM, "Adam Young" <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and possibly > a few sliders (14 or 32) > > I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > > Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > > I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 22:27:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34139-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5408 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:27:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 5398 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:27:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:27:21 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx as has already been mentioned, there are objects in the jitter video package for max/msp that do this very thing. you might also check out softVNS and isadora. cheers bruce On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Adam Young wrote: > > I’m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat simple task: > using > a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate that > information > into midi information. I’d be shocked if this hasn’t been done > already, and > I’d really like to find a download of an application or even some > source > code to do this, as I really don’t want to “reinvent the wheel”.. > > Thanks. > -adam > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 22:13:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34138-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97552 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:13:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 97505 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:13:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:15:56 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Have a look at the GEM and PDP externals for Pure Data. They're open source and very configurable. You could also look at EyesWeb for windoze, or Imagine for the Mac. derek Adam Young wrote: > I¹m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat simple task: using > a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate that information > into midi information. I¹d be shocked if this hasn¹t been done already, and > I¹d really like to find a download of an application or even some source > code to do this, as I really don¹t want to ³reinvent the wheel².. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 22:13:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34137-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96167 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 96132 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:50 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Organization: groovylab MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - liberty.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovylab.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Eric Singer's MAX/MSP object Cyclop does exactly that: http://www.ericsinger.com/cyclopsmax.html hope it helps, Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://groovylab.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Young [mailto:xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx] > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:01 PM > To: microsound > Subject: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? > > > > I¹m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat > simple task: using > a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate > that information > into midi information. I¹d be shocked if this hasn¹t been > done already, and > I¹d really like to find a download of an application or even > some source > code to do this, as I really don¹t want to ³reinvent the wheel².. > > Thanks. > -adam > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 22:07:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34136-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92409 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:07:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 92396 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:07:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:10:47 -0500 From: tkrakowiak <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? In-reply-to: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx check out STEIM software, Big Eye http://www.steim.org/steim/products.html cheers t On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:01:18 -0500, Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > I¹m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat simple task: > using > a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate that > information > into midi information. I¹d be shocked if this hasn¹t been done already, > and > I¹d really like to find a download of an application or even some source > code to do this, as I really don¹t want to ³reinvent the wheel².. > > Thanks. > -adam > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 22:01:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34135-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87403 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:01:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 87390 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:01:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:01:18 -0500 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] MIDI software question/webcam as a controller? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1D7D5E.328C%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+xmx794/nYShbHHgeF4NFQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_+xmx794/nYShbHHgeF4NFQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I¹m looking for software that will accomplish a somewhat simple task: using a webcam to detect color, motion, light, etc and translate that information into midi information. I¹d be shocked if this hasn¹t been done already, and I¹d really like to find a download of an application or even some source code to do this, as I really don¹t want to ³reinvent the wheel².. Thanks. -adam adam young tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info --Boundary_(ID_+xmx794/nYShbHHgeF4NFQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 21:20:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34134-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61091 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:20:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 61081 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:20:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:20:23 -0700 From: Dan Heidebrecht <xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Dan Heidebrecht <xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Cc5GH8HPdjYEdICGZ9LzhCgVuPdoxq8pq1j+sCirkRbTvIQYElwRN/SSMMWGwfpDAGMBScqSLOldGkYYY/FSD0jB0Pu4QdhkY/8NJ9yL8UbVfkYwfBlkthMmtn5uAP6XJf5uQoZo1E524aCzquJnCjXwsImTkzhH8eAQg2LBDd4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i've been using the bcr2000 for about 3-5 hours a day for the last two months. it's been powered on continuously. i generally don't like the quality of behringer equipment - this seems to be an exception for me. the knob action loosened up a little bit - but they don't move side-to-side or anything like that, and the values they send are solid (i.e. they don't drift). the faderfox controllers look really nice - but they won't ship them to the US - otherwise i would have tried them. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:56:59 +0100, robert van heumen <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> wrote: > are the knobs sturdy enough for heavy use? i noticed the evolution uc33 > knobs seem to wear out. > the faderfox.de controllers are very nice too. and battery operated. > robert > > > On Jan 26, 2005, at 19:45, Tom Butcher wrote: > > > > > I have the Drehbank, and it's a great controller. The > > editor leaves a lot to be desired, but generally I just > > leave the Drehbank programmed to do MIDI CC 1-64 and assign > > away in software. Part of my current live kit is Ableton > > with a Drehbank. It's a lethal combination. > > > > t > > > >> Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and > >> possibly > >> a few sliders (14 or 32) > >> > >> I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > >> > >> Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > >> > >> I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > >> > >> adam young > >> tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > >> > >> > >> > > > > --- > > Tom Butcher > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 21:13:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34133-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55374 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:13:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 55364 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:13:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:12:10 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003301c503eb$d147f900$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i also like release announcements and gigs anouncements, even if they aren't in my city they are interesting. robert horton ----- Original Message ----- From: "david golightly" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? > second that. i actually really look forward to release announcements, > especially when done by artists themselves and not by labels etc.... > listening to each other's work is at least as important as discussing it. > as for shows, i like knowing about things going on - it helps to know > about venues and scenes in different parts of the world where one can > play, if passing through. also, at this point the volume isn't nearly so > high as to be irritating. > > can't very well have theory without practice, can we... > > david g > >>From: "Pat Gillis" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>Reply-To: "Pat Gillis" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? >>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:59:27 -0500 >> >>I guess it is a list admin question, but so long as the show referred to >>is within the realm of what the list is 'about', what's the problem? Is >>there some expectation that members are here only to discuss tools, >>techniques, history and critical theory, with nothing to offer by way of >>public expression of their own efforts (or shut up about it if they do)? >>In which case, are release announcements ever more unacceptable? >> >>Just curious. >> >>Pat > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 20:58:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34132-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45859 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 45520 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:56:59 +0100 From: robert van heumen <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx are the knobs sturdy enough for heavy use? i noticed the evolution uc33 knobs seem to wear out. the faderfox.de controllers are very nice too. and battery operated. robert On Jan 26, 2005, at 19:45, Tom Butcher wrote: > > I have the Drehbank, and it's a great controller. The > editor leaves a lot to be desired, but generally I just > leave the Drehbank programmed to do MIDI CC 1-64 and assign > away in software. Part of my current live kit is Ableton > with a Drehbank. It's a lethal combination. > > t > >> Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and >> possibly >> a few sliders (14 or 32) >> >> I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm >> >> Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? >> >> I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... >> >> adam young >> tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info >> >> >> > > --- > Tom Butcher > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Wed Jan 26 20:09:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34130-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6183 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:09:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 6082 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:09:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:08:36 +0100 From: tl <xxxxxx.xx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] q for traktion users In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: de, en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-AT; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Authenticated: #10712873 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hope this can answer your question: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64644 for future tracktion related questions check the tracktion/'raw material software' forum: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22 normally you get useful answers from tracktion aficionados... 8pointer. Kim Cascone wrote: > I'm working on a sound installation project in Mackie's Traktion > 1.6.0.1 - they announced this version as a free download a couple of > months ago... > being indoctrinated primarily in Pro Tools I got past Traktion's > 'pseudo-Live' interface, managed to create an edit, placed clips into > it and now I want to mix it down using a midi fader box... > so my question is: can I assign midi controllers (continuous > controllers and not keynums) to a tracks volume (or a VST for that > matter)? and if so, how do I do this? > I get the feeling this might be a Traktion 2.0 feature... :( > if not then is there an FOSS program for OS X that can do this? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 19:57:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34129-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97842 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:57:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 97809 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:57:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:56:43 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? In-reply-to: <011601c5034a$ab4de800$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.253.118.140] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 19:57:05.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[35C40190:01C503E1] second that. i actually really look forward to release announcements, especially when done by artists themselves and not by labels etc.... listening to each other's work is at least as important as discussing it. as for shows, i like knowing about things going on - it helps to know about venues and scenes in different parts of the world where one can play, if passing through. also, at this point the volume isn't nearly so high as to be irritating. can't very well have theory without practice, can we... david g >From: "Pat Gillis" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: "Pat Gillis" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:59:27 -0500 > >I guess it is a list admin question, but so long as the show referred to is >within the realm of what the list is 'about', what's the problem? Is there >some expectation that members are here only to discuss tools, techniques, >history and critical theory, with nothing to offer by way of public >expression of their own efforts (or shut up about it if they do)? In which >case, are release announcements ever more unacceptable? > >Just curious. > >Pat --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 19:24:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34127-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.optonline.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050126192453.OXPA3617.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:24:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 70561 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:24:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 70549 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:24:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:24:45 -0700 From: Dan Heidebrecht <xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Dan Heidebrecht <xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Y4CgLzqgYJaisrHAkcKAzjLcxEpbv/u/0J5Ygl/+5azUt4uXlOEjO+lhytfyPpHTZvsyl7mJ7c+9sCVX6pvzVcF81xXXBs8fjM+TjJ9DJTsdOKCK+O/Z2Ed3V7HhretXVdY4rPRrQJ5Y4AkJVyYafXz7M0JEI/H5NtpC9kmW7oM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've been using the Behringer BCR2000 for a few months now - very reliable and easy to set up: 32 endless rotary controllers for less than USD200. http://www.behringer.com/BCR2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG they also have one with 8 motorized faders that costs just a little more than USD200: http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:03:32 -0500, Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and possibly > a few sliders (14 or 32) > > I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > > Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > > I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 19:03:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34126-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56570 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:03:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 56560 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:03:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:06:37 -0500 From: tkrakowiak <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hey, check out www.ucapps.de best, t On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:03:32 -0500, Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and > possibly > a few sliders (14 or 32) > > I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > > Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > > I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 18:53:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34125-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49231 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:53:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 49218 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:53:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:53:01 -0500 From: "Martine H. Crispo" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Evolution UC-33e Very cheap and easy to use! but... the manual sucks! http://www.evolution.co.uk/company/news_ucc33e.htm > Hello... I’m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and > possibly > a few sliders (14 or 32) > > I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > > Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > > I’d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 18:48:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34124-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45791 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:48:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 45780 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:48:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:45:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Butcher <xxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> X-Authentication-warning: tank.x09music.com: tom owned process doing -bs List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have the Drehbank, and it's a great controller. The editor leaves a lot to be desired, but generally I just leave the Drehbank programmed to do MIDI CC 1-64 and assign away in software. Part of my current live kit is Ableton with a Drehbank. It's a lethal combination. t > Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and possibly > a few sliders (14 or 32) > > I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > > Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > > I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > --- Tom Butcher --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 18:32:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34123-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38058 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:32:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 38045 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:32:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:32:10 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx if you are handy with a soldering iron, and have a lot of spare time (and patience) you might try these: http://www.ucapps.de/index.html http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm the first link (to the midibox forum, a diy group) is the more comprehensive one, lots of info and an active user forum. the doepfer stuff is more basic but still well thought-out and people are doing interesting stuff with it. cheers bruce On Jan 26, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Adam Young wrote: > Hello... I’m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and > possibly > a few sliders (14 or 32) > > I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm > > Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? > > I’d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... > > adam young > tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 18:03:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34122-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23687 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:03:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 23677 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:03:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:03:32 -0500 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] MIDI Controllers To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1D45A4.3283%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QPwHm8mWX6qUraL+bmNXkg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_QPwHm8mWX6qUraL+bmNXkg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello... I¹m basically looking for something with tons of knobs and possibly a few sliders (14 or 32) I really like this: http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm Anything similar out there? Anything CHEAPER? I¹d forgo the sliders, as the machine above definitely would work... adam young tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info --Boundary_(ID_QPwHm8mWX6qUraL+bmNXkg)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 19:31:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34128-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73653 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:31:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 73639 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:31:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:53:04 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] q for traktion users To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm working on a sound installation project in Mackie's Traktion 1.6.0.1 - they announced this version as a free download a couple of months ago... being indoctrinated primarily in Pro Tools I got past Traktion's 'pseudo-Live' interface, managed to create an edit, placed clips into it and now I want to mix it down using a midi fader box... so my question is: can I assign midi controllers (continuous controllers and not keynums) to a tracks volume (or a VST for that matter)? and if so, how do I do this? I get the feeling this might be a Traktion 2.0 feature... :( if not then is there an FOSS program for OS X that can do this? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 15:06:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34111-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10816 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:06:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 10800 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:06:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:05:57 +0100 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] the 56k challenge To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00a001c503b8$8b180480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <00e001c4fa93$a4fb36c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx derek holzer; > Another idea would be to provide song "fragements" that could be > arranged randomly, in a playlist, or by some other set of instructions. > There was a whole bunch of stuff done on the Fallt site a while back > that simply used the broswer's "refresh" function to mix a series of > *extremely* small fragments. Total size of the various "tracks" ranged > started somewhere around 6 or 12 Kb. I think maybe Pimmon was involved > in that project. Similarly, Gescom´s release "MD" takes advantage of the data compression of minidisks. Because of the data compression and thus the relatively large buffer minidisk players can be randomised or programed so there will be audio without gaps inbetween tracks. Quite usefull, I think, to be able to use such advantages of a medium. It would´ve been nice if such releases would be more common and usable as a creative plaything, much like locked grooves on records. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 14:59:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34110-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6885 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:59:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 6875 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:59:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:41 +0100 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <007901c503b7$87f97be0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx greg g; > no, you're missing the point. everyone here is really obsessed with all > these "constraints" and stuff, like only using certain software or encoding, > or certain samples, like the microsound releases for example. Makes perfect sense. It might be hard to find some rules to determine wether something is indeed good but then again, it´s not that much easier to objectively verify some random piece was indeed based on -say- field recordings of Berlin or inspired by some writer..... The one problem might be that people who write very high quality material will often also be very critical of themselves while a lot of mediocre pieces come from people who believe themselves to be "the new messiah" (or Aphex or Tiesto as the case may be). This might adversely affect the selection of pieces uploaded. Perhaps your project should be based on people sending in "good" pieces by their friends (of cource with the permission of those friends)? I don´t think I´m even completely joking here. The more I contemplated that paragraph before hitting "send" the more sense it made. Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 02:11:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34121-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52949 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:11:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 52939 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:11:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [EVENT][SF,cA] Field Effects 21 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 10:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx As long as the topic is quasi-tolerated events announcements, I might as well take the opportunity to announce: Field Effects 21 ~ featuring ~ Yuko Nexus6 & Mariko Tijiri Scott Arford Friday, January 28th, 2005 Doors 8 pm show around 9 964 Natoma, San Francisco, CA (USA) $6-10 requested donation, no one turned away Seating mostly on futons and beanbags to encourage comfortable deep listening. Depending on weather hot or cold drinks will be available. With luck someone will bake cookies. Much more about the show: http://www.quietamerican.org/fe21.html More about the series: http://www.fieldeffects.org aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 02:00:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34120-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gx2.optonline.net (gx2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.112.44]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org ([209.237.226.90]) by gx2.optonline.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20050126020047.LNAV28021.gx2.xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:00:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 48523 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:00:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 48513 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:00:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:59:27 -0500 From: Pat Gillis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Pat Gillis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <011601c5034a$ab4de800$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Set Management, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dgXV5EZMGY/cNP/Ybfna9w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [70.21.95.184] at Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:00:37 -0600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_dgXV5EZMGY/cNP/Ybfna9w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it is a list admin question, but so long as the show referred to is within the realm of what the list is 'about', what's the problem? Is there some expectation that members are here only to discuss tools, techniques, history and critical theory, with nothing to offer by way of public expression of their own efforts (or shut up about it if they do)? In which case, are release announcements ever more unacceptable? Just curious. Pat --Boundary_(ID_dgXV5EZMGY/cNP/Ybfna9w)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 01:48:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34119-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42268 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:48:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 42257 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:48:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:48:09 +0100 From: ale*** <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] 70's Japanese electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <011001c50349$1d281830$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I just found it out on Earlabs: From the booklet: Since the foundation of the studio of radio NHK, Tokyo in 1954, the development of electro-acoustic music in Japan has shown a constant exchange between national tradition and techniques imported from the West. The Japanese contribution is especially interesting in the field of combied electronic instrumental music. Japan has a rich variety of traditional instruments, and there are many which blend particularly happily with electronically produced sound. However, the meeting of the two sound-worlds has been most rewarding in musical froms where both modern techniques and traditional eleemnts are readily adoptable and sometimes singularly convergent. Elements borrowed by Mayuzumi and Moroi from the vocal puntuations of the Noo theatre, or the sound patterns of the shamizen are significant in this respect. Such borrowings might determine perhaps a refined breaking-up of the beat, or afain a stretching of tempo in accordance with the flow of the musical material. From the standpoint of our own western conception of tempo, we still sense an alien quality in Japanese electro-acoustic music. http://www.earlabs.org/label/lc/lc012b.htm some microsounders may find it interesting. Best, ale*** --- http://www.pachinkostudio.com http://www.12k.com/term/term10.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 00:56:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34118-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19959 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:56:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 19949 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:55:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well, i don't know if there's a list rule against it or not, but I for one don't mind announcements. Especially shows like this one, which looks really good. /sean > I was just about to put a show announcement on here, > then realized that I seem to be one of very few people > who does this. Have I been bugging people with these > all this time? This is a venue that includes > "microsoundy" stuff in the range of what we book. > > Here's the announcement in very brief mode > > Thu, 1/27 8-10 pm. > Luggage Store Gallery > 1007 Market St @ 6th > San Francisco > $6-10 sliding scale > > Electronic glitches, drones, hums, textures, washes, > perhaps some notes. > > with miba (Kristin Miltner & Mark Bartscher) > and Antimatter (Xopher Davidson) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 00:49:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34117-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16497 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:49:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 16486 invoked from network); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:49:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:49:47 +0100 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound]'S T A L A G M I E T E N 1' (ahum...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxx.xx (Unverified) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be1c96398021@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <l03130301be0dd25fae4f@[213.84.105.55]> <l03130301be0dd25fae4f@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >i was listening to 'stalagmieten 1' -That's very nice of you... >and wished to hear it stretched out somewhat ... -Which you clearly did... >in order to be aware of the harmonies -Repeated listening could be beneficial.. >without having to work quite so hard. -Practise makes perfect... >for educational purposes only, probably, most likely. -I think that I don't this easy offering of other one's work so much: 1: You changed it beyond any recognition and didn't add anything to it yourself, which be kind of an interpretation; 2. What kind of educational purposes do you have in mind? 3. Most importantly, you never asked me in the first place... So I would prefer that you do these things first before you place this on your server, in the mean time either refer to it's original location on the web or remove it. I'm not against your suggestion about 'educational purposes', but this is not a proper way of conduct. AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 23:39:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34116-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73188 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:39:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 73174 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:39:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:38:51 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound]' S T A L A G M I E T E N 1 ' In-reply-to: <l03130301be0dd25fae4f@[213.84.105.55]> X-Originating-IP: 4.243.39.214 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=BPz2cJOdUeXagfkC2HX/hgVapaIdBYnr44+ZgXYOlNP9hvY9CmS2bfiEicADPgRY; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609f22e04fcb920638841ed09ee547ea29ba8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <l03130301be0dd25fae4f@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, i was listening to 'stalagmieten 1' and wished to hear it stretched out somewhat ...in order to be aware of the harmonies without having to work quite so hard. ( 17.9 mb zipped mp4 ) for educational purposes only, probably, most likely. http://klatch.co.uk/billjarboe/Stalagmiet1aifT2.mp4.zip Bill On Jan 14, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: > > > ' S T A L A G M I E T E N 1 ' > > - Arie van Schutterhoef - > > > http://knorretje.hku.nl/~schreck/SmietMP3/Stalagmiet1.mp3 > > > Realized in the home-studio of the composer. > Original sounds recorded with the BassBoxes > http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/bassbox.html > in the 'Veem'-Theatre, Amsterdam, during recording > sessions with Hans van Eck and Hans van Koolwijk. > > Recorded different flutes on the BassBoxes, through > extreme close-miking to capture the varying spectra > and timbres, that were triggered by tightly structured > pulse-trains, according to the Fibonacci-series. > > Sound treatment using different FFT-processes and > cross-convolution. Used programs were 'Ceres3','MetaSynth', ' > SoundHack', 'SonicWorx Artist' and 'Csound'on running on > Silicon Graphics and Apple Computers. > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + > > ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | > | http://www.schreck.nl/ | > | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | > ` *===========================================================++ > ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | > ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | > ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | > ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | > > ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | > > *===========================================================++ > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 23:11:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34115-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48634 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:11:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 48620 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:11:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:11:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Show announcements = costly faux-pas? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was just about to put a show announcement on here, then realized that I seem to be one of very few people who does this. Have I been bugging people with these all this time? This is a venue that includes "microsoundy" stuff in the range of what we book. Here's the announcement in very brief mode Thu, 1/27 8-10 pm. Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market St @ 6th San Francisco $6-10 sliding scale Electronic glitches, drones, hums, textures, washes, perhaps some notes. with miba (Kristin Miltner & Mark Bartscher) and Antimatter (Xopher Davidson) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 22:14:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34114-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8055 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:14:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 8040 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:14:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:13:59 +0100 From: Jose Luis Gonzalez <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] European Distribution In-reply-to: <001201c50231$6e3ef540$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jose Luis Gonzalez <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Vk4UqxuWscnoC9BlzC0yNtQAVirFTavKWv+kQl7q1Dirys6lLTeKQHbA/6Zj2LZcZVMs/pUo+4WJrkoCni70gRNqMFetd1JwA8ZbGUznGHW68zgJvjq4ae0hfxFtI/aVsiTgGHy2XdIr/tx6SmJmXvhB/zSjd16o1dHk8IRyJ0k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <001201c50231$6e3ef540$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I forget to comment you two spanish e music distributors (Level and jaxx records both in madrid) it might be easy to contact with them through internet good luck On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:25:15 -0000, David @ Audiobulb <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Does anyone know who are considered the most electronic music friendly > distributors in the Europe? > > I'm looking for coverage in Scandinavia, France, Germany, Spain in > particular.... Would appreciate any links to reputable companies dealing > with those territories. > > Who is Mille Plateaux with now? > > Thanks David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 17:50:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34113-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78177 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:50:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 78167 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:50:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:49:17 -0500 From: Pat Gillis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] NYC Onkyo Fest in April 2005 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Pat Gillis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004f01c50306$31b7e6b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Set Management, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_q3aMqqFkSnpny9p7Ui3djA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [70.21.95.184] at Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:50:28 -0600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_q3aMqqFkSnpny9p7Ui3djA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go here for details: http://www.japansociety.org/events/event_detail.cfm?id_event=1702597446&id_performance=536554939 cheers, Pat (my first post to this list, I'm subbed to the digest) --Boundary_(ID_q3aMqqFkSnpny9p7Ui3djA)-- From ???@??? 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(trx1) .Wang Inc. (trx2) .Dan Warburton .Warmdesk .Keith Fullerton Whitman .Wobbly (trx1) .Wobbly (trx2) .Christopher Willits Y .Tetsuro Yasunaga Z .z_e_l_l_e (trx1) .z_e_l_l_e (trx2) .Zenial [Palsecam] .Zeitblom .Harald "Sack" Ziegler .Carlos Zingaro 123... .87 central .*0 : .. .. .. Curated by TU M' : .. .. .. Thanks to K.Michael Babcock / Aesova for the web space. .. .. .. .. Tu M'p3 www.tu-m.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 11:43:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34108-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58256 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:43:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 58245 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:43:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:43:23 +0100 From: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] R:[microsound] European Distribution In-reply-to: <001201c50231$6e3ef540$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1BEF6B.6D1F%xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZZlW5yea83Ma5TYsIh0XdA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ZZlW5yea83Ma5TYsIh0XdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ciao, I¹ m working with MDM <http://www.mutualism.de/> Very professional and friendly Best marco messina [] [] [] [] [] [] http://www.mousikelab.com/ http://www.novenove.it/ http://www.folderstudio.com/ [] [] [] [] [] [] Da: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Risposta: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Data: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:25:15 -0000 A: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Oggetto: [microsound] European Distribution Does anyone know who are considered the most electronic music friendly distributors in the Europe? I'm looking for coverage in Scandinavia, France, Germany, Spain in particular.... Would appreciate any links to reputable companies dealing with those territories. Who is Mille Plateaux with now? Thanks David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_ZZlW5yea83Ma5TYsIh0XdA)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 11:47:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34109-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60042 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:47:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 59751 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:47:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:46:54 +0100 From: douglas benford <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] INTERPLAY 3 in London X-Sender: xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06110426be1bd3dcacbe@[81.152.102.194]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6cmKnhI8X6Z81INhx2b/IQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6cmKnhI8X6Z81INhx2b/IQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sprawl presents INTERPLAY 3 - 2005 the 3rd mini-festival of international collaborations Weds 9th and Thurs 10th February 2005 Once again London's haven for experimental audio, Sprawl, will be inviting a selection of International artists for 2 nights of unique live collaborations, traversing the sonic realms of minimal & post-techno beats, new dub, voice, pop, jazz and improvisation. Interplay 3 is dedicated to uncovering new relationships as well as established clashes of style and technique, from novel instrumental approaches to twisted technology. Weds 9th Feb POLE (scape/mute) + DEADBEAT (scape/Intr_version) MARKUS SCHMICKLER (pluramon) + THOMAS LEHN (mimeo) MAX EASTLEY (obscure/bip hop) + FREEFORM (skam/sub rosa) Thurs 10th Feb STEPHAN MATHIEU (orthlorng/sirr) + SI-CUT.DB (fallt/bip-hop) LEAFCUTTER JOHN (planet mu) + JANEK SCHAEFER (audiOh!/sirr) SCANNER (sub rosa/bette) + IRIS GARRELFS (bip hop) PLUS: The early evening will feature a sound based visual programme, including audio-visual collaborations from DFuse, who have worked with Burnt Friedmann, Kid 606 and recently Beck This project is supported by the Goethe-Institut London and the PRS Foundation VENUE: Spitz, Spitalfields Market,109 Commercial Street, London E1 8BG DATE: Wednesday 9th and Thursday 10th February 2005 TIME: 8pm - midnight PRICE: £8 / £6 concs, £12 for both nights BOX OFFICE: 0207 392 9032, www.spitz.co.uk CONTACT: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xx WEB: www.sprawl.org.uk --Boundary_(ID_6cmKnhI8X6Z81INhx2b/IQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 25 04:53:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34107-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6687 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:53:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 6677 invoked from network); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:53:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:53:30 -0500 From: Kurt Ralske <xxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1B3AFA.2BAD9%xxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories Michael Century, piano Kurt Ralske, video Friday January 28 / 8pm Chapel and Cultural Center at Rensselaer Troy, NY Triadic Memories was composed in 1979, one of Morton Feldman's long, ruminative late works. Quiet throughout and eccentrically repetitive, this piece invites the listener to experience a now-unusual kind of long duration. For this performance, a newly created video will be projected, inspired by Feldman's interest in the carpets of the Middle East. The composer was struck by parallels between his own off-centered, memory-twisting rhythms and what he called the "disproportionate symmetry" of certain Turkish rugs' skewed repetition of motif. Created by Kurt Ralske, this video is not a literally synchronized accompaniment, but a parallel and complementary track that scans, scrolls, cross-fades and morphs between mostly detailed carpet images. In this conjuncture of music and image, we propose another kind of disproportionate symmetry. Whereas Feldman recast musical time with aspects of the stasis and scale of painting and textiles, here the static carpet image is rendered with aspects of Feldman's ineffable quietude and slow tempos. Michael Century is a musician and professor in the Department of the Arts at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. http://www.arts.rpi.edu/people/century/ Kurt Ralske is a NYC-based video artist, composer, and programmer. Co-winner in 2003 of Transmediale first prize for media art, he recently created the video installation permanently on view in the the lobby of the re-opened Museum of Modern Art. More info and directions http://www.rpi.edu/web/C+CC/ccc/ccc.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 20:32:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34101-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14897 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:31:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 14881 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:31:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:21:32 +0200 From: ".` =?ISO-8859-1?B?sLcnICCxICBgLrAgJ7c=?=" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE1B5DAC.27%xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sean Rooney Geschrieben hat . :: . ::: : . > Hi, my opinion only . . . >Is there some usefulness in being > able to make small sounds/scores? yes > Do people expect/hope to find some > creative tactics that could be used elsewhere? yes > Or is it the creative > challenge itself, separate from anything that might be learned from it? yes > of course, afterwards what can be achieved with small files need not be so strict as to require a 56k limitation - but, for web-based audio personally have discovered some very interesting facts about mp3 encoding and what not. useful too. merci ! > /sean . 1001 € . . € € € ' € ® . €€ .·€ · ·. € €. . € . . · € ´·. · € ´ · . . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 23:38:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34106-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93482 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:38:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 93472 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:37:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:39:58 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Berlin.Soundscape-FM.Net To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS Berlin.Soundscape-FM : A City of Sounds : 4-8 February 2005 http://berlin.soundscape-fm.net "How would you build a city of sounds?" Berlin.Soundscape-FM is a collaborative soundwork, featuring field recordings taken from the city of Berlin, which will be broadcast locally via FM radio during the Transmediale 05 festival, and archived in a user-uploadable database complete with an interactive soundmap of the city. During the days of 4-8 February 2005, sound artists, amateur sound hunters, phonographers, among other interested participants, will collaborate on gathering sounds from different places within the city of Berlin. A physical workspace, located at the Transmediale Festival in the Haus der Kulturen der Welt, will be a post-production booth for the gathered sounds which can be uploaded immediately in a database system. Uploads can also be made remotely via the Internet. The uploaded sounds are accessible online via an interactive sound map, and will be broadcasted via several local FM radio programs in Berlin during the Festival. We are seeking contributions of environmental recordings made in the city of Berlin during any time period. Be it the sound of autos around Alexanderplatz, distant Turkish music overheard in Kreuzberg or the rain hitting the gutter outside a flat window in Friedrichshain, you will be able to upload it to the Soundscape-FM server by locating your sound on a scalable map of Berlin. To contribute, please send an email to xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx with the subject "Berlin.Soundscape-FM.net login", and please give a short description of the sounds you would like to upload. Please note that, while "found" music is acceptable as content, this project is not a forum for people's bands or solo musical projects. Such tracks, along with direct transfers of copyrighted material, will be removed. Thanks for understanding ;-) Berlin.Soundscape-FM.net has been created by Sara Kolster, Derek Holzer and Marc Boon for the Transmediale 05 Festival's BASEMENT workspace, curated by Carsten Stabenow and Stefan Rikeles. The Soundscape-FM project was originally commissioned for the Garage Festival 2004, with inspiration from Yannick Dauby and the Phonographic Migrations series, and with technical assistance from Olaf Matthes. http://berlin.soundscape-fm.net http://www.soundscape-fm.net contact: xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 18:51:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34092-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53986 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:51:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 53974 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:51:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:40:52 +0200 From: ".` =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B0=B7=27=20=B1=20=60=2E=B0=20=27=B7=7F?=" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <000801c50230$15673be0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hallo, the 56k challenge = great $%#*!@ idea. perhaps, we should share research and methods so we can all learn best course of aktion. i hope the consensus is to move forward. . 1001 ¿ . .: . ][+ l º • a - d · · .º : ·. ` . · • å b · n g . : . · .º : . · '. ` º: . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 22:16:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34105-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66147 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:16:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 66131 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:16:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:16:16 +0000 From: ". m u r m e r ." <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [playlist] framework - 21.01.05 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <016c01c50262$52b96720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wvNX2IMfwRsh2jATICJQQA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_wvNX2IMfwRsh2jATICJQQA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit framework broadcasts live every friday (except the first one of each month) on resonance104.4fm in london (uk) or worldwide on http://www.resonancefm.com between 8:30 and 9:30pm gmt, and is repeated the following wednesday between 11:00am and 12:00 noon gmt next live broadcast: 27.01.05 ~ time zone converter: http://www.thesaturnv.com/converter.html RESONANCE FM'S PROGRAMMING IS PRODUCED ENTIRELY BY VOLUNTEERS; PLEASE HELP US TO CONTINUE BY MAKING A DONATION. 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THANK YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework - phonography/field recording; contextual and decontextualized sound activity presented by patrick mcginley we took detailed looks at a few releases in this edition, namely the latest instalment of the phonography organisation's series of raw field recording compilations. we also listened to several tracks from crouton's reissue of an early irr. app. (ext.) work, dust pincher appliances, keith berry's latest release buddha's mile, and a recent release from the copyleft netlabel test tube by spanish artist ubeboet. coming up this friday, we'll be listening, among other things, to the and/oar release by sawako, yours gray, and some internet-released work (on the netlabel stasisfield) by and/oar's (and phonography.org's) own dale lloyd. again, we are always looking for material for the show, whether raw field recordings, field recording based composition or introduction submissions. send material, released or not, on any format, to the address below. we are also hoping to have live performances as often as possible, so if you are in or passing through london please get in touch! framework 31 nevill road london n16 8sl uk xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21.01.05 this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 25.01.05, at 11:00am gmt (artist / title / album / label) adam wimbush / framework intro recorded through the window of a bathroom in barbados, featuring the voice of a mysterious woman known only as liz xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx murmer / 38,000 for madrid / phonography.org 6 (compilation) / phonography.org the sound of a stadiumful of people during a minute's silence http://www.phonography.org irr. app (ext.) / narcoinvitatorintraphasieschatological music box / dust pincher appliances / crouton crackling chorus of music boxes and rumbling drones http://www.holocenesound.org/irr, http://www.croutonmusic.com frederic yarm / bottle neck traffic / phonography.org 6 (compilation) / phonography.org acoustic processing applied through the capture of sound from inside a bottle http://www.phonography.org keith berry / - / buddha's mile / authorised version sublime field recordings and tonal elements slowly develop and disperse http://www.inbetweensilence.com, http://www.a-version.co.uk/ josh russell / wall mounted gas heater overheating and shutting down / phonography.org 6 (compilation) / phonography.org almost industrial sounding chaotic rhythms, crackles and rumblings http://www.phonography.org irr. app (ext.) / a body rendered disjecta membra through the application of dust pincher appliances / dust pincher appliances / crouton rhythmic mechanics and clacking bones are pervaded over by a dysfunctional intercom http://www.holocenesound.org/irr, http://www.croutonmusic.com perri lynch / walking through eyebeam / phonography.org 6 (compilation) / phonography.org reverberations of public space with an odd collection of mechanical and (mechanically?) natural sound http://www.phonography.org ubeboet / north wind / bleak ep / test tube metallic rain and organic scratchings filter through multi-levelled tonescapes xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel mathieu ruhlmann / water pipe pond drone / phonography.org 6 (compilation) / phonography.org ubiquitous narrow pipe reverberations tempered with an active environment enfolding it http://www.phonography.org irr. app. (ext.) / desist in ceasing to cease to exist / dust pincher appliances / crouton more layerings of indiscernible acoustic sources and percussing found objects http://www.holocenesound.org/irr, http://www.croutonmusic.com ubeboet / nocturno (danny kreutzfeldt version) / bleak ep / test tube hissing and collapsing tones lead through the erosion xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework intro submissions: 1) take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice 2) record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you - 3) read the following text: welcome to framework. framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition. field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen! 4) continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking 5) send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia. drop in here to have a look: http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php framework 2003 resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting rob grant & melanie clifford / framework intro thomas dimuzio / unearth & lift and spear / sonicism / rrrecords chris watson / river mara at night / stepping into the dark / touch johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux toy bizarre / - / kdi dctb 116 / absurd murmer / liquid solid / definition / absurd jgrzinich & seth nehil / the distant edge / confluence / intransitive seth nehil & jgrzinich / the mirrored corner / stria / erewhon annette lissauer / framework intro toby paddock / air, surface and magnetic vibrations / - / - steve roden / - / resonant cities / trente oiseaux francisco lopez / untitled #101 / untitled (2000) / ignis projekt mnortham / ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org the quiet american / donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org steve barsotti / trainyard presence / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org k. m. krebs / jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan) / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org david daniell / highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm / sem / antiopic joyce hinterding / - / spectral / antiopic/sigma editions david daniell / dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am / sem / antiopic tacet ncv / live on framework jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler / live on framework dallas simpson / framework intro --Boundary_(ID_wvNX2IMfwRsh2jATICJQQA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 22:15:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34104-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65145 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:15:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 65135 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:15:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:14:16 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] hard disk recorders roundup In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [68.165.209.33] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 22:15:02.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[265878B0:01C50262] A possible solution to the high price of buying pro-level audio gear - one of my old roomates from undergrad works for a pro audio shop in LA, they rent out everything from the Fostex FR2 all the way up to the Aaton Cantar and can send the gear via Fed Ex, also they have a huge selection of extemely sensitive mics for rent, I never considered that before, but it could save you a lot of money, if you say knew that for a weekend you are planning a trip to make recordings and wanted to rent the gear for a fraction of the price instead of buying it. This could way of working could allow you to choose specific gear for specific types of recordings/recording situations and never really have to own anything. I see this method as sort of a way around starting to drop thousands on gear, instead maybe, get a R1 and a very good mic, then rent the rest of the gear when needed. Save your money, buy a house instead. Also, no one has mentioned this, but you can also rent/buy a portable Nagra, which is a tape based system, some people will argue/perfer this medium over digital, granted the fidelity ceiling is lower, but I wonder, would the Nagra sound better than most stuff under 1000$?, say like the R1? The portable Nagras, even used, are not cheap. I wonder is Watson used a Nagra for his older recordings? Also on the very cheap end is the micro-cassette recorder, I know a few people who have managed to make some really really excellent recordings with a micro-cassette recorder using an external mic, granted its a mono medium. Best Scott >A couple people asked me offlist what I thought might be a higher >grade portable HD recorder than the Editrol R1 I mentioned earlier. >Specifically, pro-quality recorders with XLR connections, digital >IO, USB or firewire, more than 2 channels, ability to burn CDRs, >decent battery life, etc... This list got posted to the Phonography >list by Mark Griswold a while back, and I consider it an excellent >starting point if you have USD 1500+ to spend and want the same kind >of gear that gets used by video and film production companies to do >their sound. > >http://www.trewaudio.com/downloads.htm >http://www.trewaudio.com/download/non%20linear%20comp%20chart.pdf > >Based on the research I've done [but no field testing yet!], my >recommendations for stereo would go to either the HHB Portadisk >[msrp USD 1600] or the Fostex FR2 [msrp USD 1500], depending on >which features and interface strikes you best. > >You can get 4 channels from the Sound Devices 744T [msrp 4,250], >while Fostex makes a 6 channel model for about 8,500,. HHB has an 8 >channel monster going for 10,000, and Zaxcom's Deva V hauls a >whopping 10 channels for USD 13,00. Top of the line, the Bentley of >non-linear recorders, is the 8 channel Aaton Cantar, ringing in >around 14,500, but man is it sweet!http --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 22:03:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34103-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57132 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:03:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 57121 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:03:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:03:31 -0800 From: Galen Elfert <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: L.E.M.U.R. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by antibody.sfu.ca running antivirus scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx So near and yet so far: http://www.capturedbyrobots.com/ > From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: L.E.M.U.R. > > http://www.juilliard.edu/update/journal/j_articles385.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 21:08:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34102-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31874 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:08:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 31862 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:08:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:07:56 +0100 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re: Hippo MP3 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1037-05B4B3FC6E4C11D983B9000D933B19D8@[84.132.111.74]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi lars > it seems that the amount of CD's released with > usable sounds are limited (more like slim to none). for a great hippo recording you could check chris watsons 'outside the circle of fire' CD on touch. although, the recording isnt necessarily 'usable'. - stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 20:24:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34100-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9247 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:24:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 9125 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:24:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:24:03 -0800 (PST) From: carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] robo-wars: land of the brave In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JIZ2MWi9FZa5e2wt06or6uNNMAf9O/Gh/bfWAlh5P9wHTWyPODKJTcAOnTYDcDPXmJoOWMPl1VmFd4IyiqenC5wtCI6HdhwZktoCRXDIg5Hx7BJDccLDqwsAA8tlZpYrEC0QVpm9BwujjAKVBOl6j3wSuPdVZ6hsuk5FvDaeHpI= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx these colors don't run ... they roll ... > here's one for all the arthur kroker fans... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 20:23:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34099-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7897 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:23:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 7887 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:23:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:23:17 +0100 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130301be1b09887dba@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <000801c50230$15673be0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Is there some usefulness in being able to make small sounds/scores? -Brevity. AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 20:19:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34098-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4328 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:19:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 4317 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:19:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <000801c50230$15673be0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, An honest question (not trying to prolong a flamewar): what is it about this challenge that appeals to people (I know the reasons that some list members don't like it)? Is there some usefulness in being able to make small sounds/scores? Do people expect/hope to find some creative tactics that could be used elsewhere? Or is it the creative challenge itself, separate from anything that might be learned from it? Like I said, its an honest question, not intended to find fault or anything. Just trying to understand the appeal. /sean > > hallo, > > > the 56k challenge = great $%#*!@ idea. perhaps, > we should share research and methods so we can all > learn best course of aktion. > > i hope the consensus is to move forward. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 20:09:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34097-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97358 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:09:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 97347 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:09:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:13:36 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] robo-wars To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx now, if we could only get skynet up and running... Patrick Valiquet wrote: > here's one for all the arthur kroker fans... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm > > ===== > ØäPnî?áÃ`Ìgx9KlóS•Ìh´9»=œ®_®*ö±ql°<|Pô“)”ì1xS@?ñì?eúë©? > Çñ=*>2åûMsØ?h#Õxk·#Í6*ü:´kB*÷Ú©¶*ö“™GÎ3ü>u4Öÿ***Ú÷ç5 > À8¡ http://fragm.net/pinothefrog/ @*ø’ÈWϱïÚU€IéÑ**1Ñmà?s > è+?5E“)I? 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Mon Jan 24 19:47:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34096-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87395 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:47:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 87384 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:47:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:47:31 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Valiquet <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] robo-wars To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx here's one for all the arthur kroker fans... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4199935.stm ===== ØäPnîáÃ`Ìgx9KlóS•Ìh´9»=œ®_®½ö±ql°<|Pô“)”ì¹xS@‹ñìðeúë© Çñ=Ž>²åûMsØ›h#Õ×k·#Í6žü:´kB*÷Ú©¶½ö“™Gγü>u4ÖÿžŽ¾Ú÷ç5 À8¡ http://fragm.net/pinothefrog/ @½ø’ÈWϱïÚU¤IéѼž¹ÑmàÝs è+ý5E“)IÐ ÃBâÅ/²@A€gºžët(‹eÙį–mè0%—íDcWïýŸ_Ÿ‰— þ[>¿B±¸ Ÿ_i}¾Ëï³5ý_/çËÿ,¿k—믾C`©rÉ?Ÿ Ä×îõ$2,‚µðÈd7’ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 19:13:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34094-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69008 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:13:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 68981 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:13:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:17:35 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <000801c50230$15673be0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx great signature!! ".` °·' ± `.° '·" wrote: > hallo, > > the 56k challenge = great $%#*!@ idea. perhaps, > we should share research and methods so we can all > learn best course of aktion. > > i hope the consensus is to move forward. > > . 1001 > > > > ¿ . .: . ][+ > > l º > • a > - d > · > > · .º : > ·. ` > > > . > · > > • å > > b · n > > g > . : . · .º : > . · '. > ` º: . > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 19:16:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34095-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71158 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:15:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 71138 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:15:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:17:30 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] hard disk recorders roundup To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A couple people asked me offlist what I thought might be a higher grade portable HD recorder than the Editrol R1 I mentioned earlier. Specifically, pro-quality recorders with XLR connections, digital IO, USB or firewire, more than 2 channels, ability to burn CDRs, decent battery life, etc... This list got posted to the Phonography list by Mark Griswold a while back, and I consider it an excellent starting point if you have USD 1500+ to spend and want the same kind of gear that gets used by video and film production companies to do their sound. http://www.trewaudio.com/downloads.htm http://www.trewaudio.com/download/non%20linear%20comp%20chart.pdf Based on the research I've done [but no field testing yet!], my recommendations for stereo would go to either the HHB Portadisk [msrp USD 1600] or the Fostex FR2 [msrp USD 1500], depending on which features and interface strikes you best. You can get 4 channels from the Sound Devices 744T [msrp 4,250], while Fostex makes a 6 channel model for about 8,500,. HHB has an 8 channel monster going for 10,000, and Zaxcom's Deva V hauls a whopping 10 channels for USD 13,00. Top of the line, the Bentley of non-linear recorders, is the 8 channel Aaton Cantar, ringing in around 14,500, but man is it sweet! Save your milk-money ;-) d -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 18:51:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34093-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54493 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:51:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 54439 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:51:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: zach layton <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ann] Zs and David Grubbs at galapagos 1/26 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4PNsufRTYC6V+zB2UvUdDC8JR80lQklqgD6cURjZpvxgjzz05yngk8yghYjxKvEDw+rU6/6BOAyD2+wYhr2h8PajkeXwudQJyQdY95BUz4W69MpubdBpY4mIEXfgRzikDIQ3VCMbqo83tm7axeSYOfznqIOFldLm63iSrdaxS94= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wednesday, Jan 26th, 10pm... DARMSTADT @ Galapagos presents: Zs with special guest DJ David Grubbs of Drag City and Gastr del Sol! New York's brutal chamber sextet, Zs (www.zzzsss.com) is a band working between the worlds of Avant Rock and New Music. Mostly instrumental, the music often explores the extremes of compositional complexity and virtuosity as well as extended repetition. The sound ranges from bombastic Prog Rock counterpoint to barely audible breathing sounds. Several members contribute compositions, and some pieces are written collaboratively. Zs formed in January 2002 and began performing in September, sharing bills with the Flying Luttenbachers, Touchdown, Gang Gang Dance, Young People, Ty Braxton and other experimental acts in New York and around the Northeast. They also performed in conjunction with Wet Ink Musics, a non-profit curatorial group for New Music, opening for seminal composer Christian Wolff. David Grubbs is a Brooklyn-based musician and writer. His most recent album is "A Guess at the Riddle" (Drag City/FatCat). He has played in Gastr del Sol, The Red Krayola, and Squirrel Bait; directs the Blue Chopsticks record label; and contributes music criticism to the Sueddeutsche Zeitung. All this and more at Darmstadt: Classics of the Avant-Garde listening party $5.00....10pm - late. galapagos 70 north 6 street, williamsburg, ny, 718.384.4586 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 18:13:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34091-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33046 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:13:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 33036 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:13:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:14:37 +0100 From: Noisejihad <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Hippo MP3 To: List Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <014a01c50240$906137a0$xxxxxxxx@xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1hcEmh1ju7WUoIFFEKpGRA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1hcEmh1ju7WUoIFFEKpGRA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all I've uploaded a track, entirely made of sound from hippos, made for and performed at the opening of an exhibition last friday. All the source material were incredibly low-bit and badly compressed soundclips found on the internet, as it seems that the amount of CD's released with usable sounds are limited (more like slim to none). Same goes with the hippo, i discovered, it doesn't have a wide variety of sounds and nor does it use those sounds too often. Anyway the track is called "Post digital hippo collapse" (22.02 m/s - 20.1mb) and can be downloaded from the audio section, bottompage, here www.waldchengarten.dk Comments are welcomed, but please keep them off list... enjoy! Lars IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Next: Electrical Bonding on Desolation House >>> www.desolationhouse.com Now: Uncomfortable Positions - mp3-ep on Fukk God >>> www.fukkgod.org key to knowledge on danish noise >>> www.noisejihad.dk art >>> www.ideations.dk www.waldchengarten.dk --Boundary_(ID_1hcEmh1ju7WUoIFFEKpGRA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 17:40:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34090-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13028 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:39:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 13016 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:39:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:38:35 -0800 From: chthonic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] acoustic and electronic? [was: Death of electronic music] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: <IMail v6.05 EVAL> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:16:01 +0100 >>absolutely true. my order to FE last week included both german >>electronic artist chronomad and folk enigma jandek. >-Now the next phase is: > how to inter-connect acoustic and electronic? we do that in our music all the time. some of the tracks are like what i thought "folktronica" would be...folky guitar and singing with crunchy electronic beats. others are electronic-based with acoustic elements. not sure if the best examples are online, but if anyone's interested: http://www.dreamintodust.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 16:26:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34089-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78305 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 78293 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:25:15 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] European Distribution To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001201c50231$6e3ef540$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Does anyone know who are considered the most electronic music friendly distributors in the Europe? I'm looking for coverage in Scandinavia, France, Germany, Spain in particular.... Would appreciate any links to reputable companies dealing with those territories. Who is Mille Plateaux with now? Thanks David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 16:12:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34088-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71064 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:12:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 71054 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:12:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:16:38 -0600 From: DaveX <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000801c50230$15673be0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > your expectations were too high. Don't flatter yourself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 14:19:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34087-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33592 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:19:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 33581 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:19:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:33:40 -0500 From: john saylor <xx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi ( 05.01.23 23:21 -0600 ) DaveX: > For some smart folks, who really seem to love music, you sure do work > hard at making composition into some sort of stupid game. you are making an 'OR' when it may be an 'AND': loving music OR playing music games [games can be stupid, but don't have to be] > Frankly, I'm disappointed as hell in the quality of discussion at this > list. your expectations were too high. -- \js &http://or8.net/~johns $ ''=&$'! \*<_-@` !~%{@ ) iraq body count: 15,458 [min] 17,683 [max] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 12:03:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34086-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92364 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:03:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 92354 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:03:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:03:32 -0300 (ART) From: Zusammen Hangslos <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [OT] Hardware for Live Performance To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Anyone has played live with the Roland SP-808 Groove Sampler? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/sp808/sp808.html Is it enough for a good experimental electronic music performance when the sources are previously created into softwares? Does it handle a huge base wav file and some wav samples in a 100mb zip withou crashing? Please respond me off-list. Thanks and best, Zusa _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Instale o discador do Yahoo! agora. http://br.acesso.yahoo.com/ - Internet rápida e grátis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 07:30:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34085-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70585 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:30:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 70575 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:30:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:30:23 -0800 From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] the 56k challenge In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think the reason most people focused on that is because that's what was explicitly asked for: From the original email proposal: "i have an idea for a microsound project . lets all compose a work that is over one minute and is no more than 56k in size [wav or mp3]" /sean On Jan 23, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > Exactly. If the central tenets of the challenge are (a) 56k (b) sound, > then mp3 is probably the the least interesting ways of going about > this. It seems to me there are any number of ways a sound (a sonic > experience?) could be transmitted in a 56k file... I don't think the > way to start is thinking in terms of off-the-shelf data compression > like mp3. Software is one way to approach the problem, but I think > there is a lot of territory here that is left being unexplored. > > - Scott Carver > >> Certainly. >> >> I found it kind of interesting that most people on this list who >> responded immediately focused on mp3s and reducing their size. As if >> the only way to do it is to externally source a larger linear audio >> file you captured and compress it as much as possible > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 05:42:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34084-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43417 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:40:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 43401 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:40:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:40:04 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] the 56k challenge In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I imagine there might be some territory to be covered by taking the lead of Cardew (by way of Treatise), and creating a 56k file with no explicit decoding procedure at all. - Scott On Jan 23, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Aaron Ximm wrote: >> this. It seems to me there are any number of ways a sound (a sonic >> experience?) could be transmitted in a 56k file... I don't think the > > MIDI files are arguably at least as portable as MP3s. > > And that's a lot of tablature in plaintext... > > fast > > > ----(2)-0-----------(5)-0-------------(2)-0----------(3)(2) > -0---------- > > ------------(3)-5------------(3)-5-----------(3)-5-------------(3) > -5--- > --... > --... > --... > --... > > :D > > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 05:17:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34083-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37760 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:17:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 37747 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:17:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:21:34 -0600 From: DaveX <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002501c501d4$92928ea0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx " no, you're missing the point. everyone here is really obsessed with all these "constraints" and stuff" *snip* My thoughts exactly. For some smart folks, who really seem to love music, you sure do work hard at making composition into some sort of stupid game. Frankly, I'm disappointed as hell in the quality of discussion at this list. Hopefully, things will improve, but I think I will be lurking until then. DaveX --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 04:37:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34082-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25371 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:37:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 25361 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:37:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] the 56k challenge In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 19:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > this. It seems to me there are any number of ways a sound (a sonic > experience?) could be transmitted in a 56k file... I don't think the MIDI files are arguably at least as portable as MP3s. And that's a lot of tablature in plaintext... fast ----(2)-0-----------(5)-0-------------(2)-0----------(3)(2)-0---------- ------------(3)-5------------(3)-5-----------(3)-5-------------(3)-5--- --... --... --... --... :D aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 04:29:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34081-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21681 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:29:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 21671 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:29:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:29:04 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] the 56k challenge In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Exactly. If the central tenets of the challenge are (a) 56k (b) sound, then mp3 is probably the the least interesting ways of going about this. It seems to me there are any number of ways a sound (a sonic experience?) could be transmitted in a 56k file... I don't think the way to start is thinking in terms of off-the-shelf data compression like mp3. Software is one way to approach the problem, but I think there is a lot of territory here that is left being unexplored. - Scott Carver > Certainly. > > I found it kind of interesting that most people on this list who > responded immediately focused on mp3s and reducing their size. As if > the only way to do it is to externally source a larger linear audio > file you captured and compress it as much as possible --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 04:18:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34080-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18318 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:18:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 18306 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:18:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:38 -0800 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Don't worry Greg, I got it...and it was funny. In fact, I propose that for the next 24 hours, the members of this list only post comment to the list that display a good sense of humor... now that's a challenge. k On Jan 23, 2005, at 7:19 PM, greg g wrote: > no, you're missing the point. everyone here is really obsessed with > all these "constraints" and stuff, like only using certain software or > encoding, or certain samples, like the microsound releases for > example. > > so this obviously is a parody of that... how about the constraints > being "good music" for a change > > > >> From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >> things >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:13:21 -0500 >> >> I think greg means "good" as determined by whomever sends something >> in. If you think you're stuff is "good", send it (if you want) >> But I'm just guessing. >> chris >> On Jan 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, greg g wrote: >> >>> you are thinking way too hard >>> >>> just chill >>> >>> >>>> From: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 >>>> >>>> "good" as determined by who? >>>> are you proposing that your subjective judgement represents a >>>> consensus? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "greg g" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> >>>> >>>> > that's why it's a challenge >>>> > >>>> > better get started. i'm serious >>>> > >>>> > >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 >>>> > > >>>> > >that'll be a small site... >>>> > >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music >>>> submissions plz, >>>> > >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >>>> > >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >>>> > >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> > >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted >>>> to see >>>> what >>>> > >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints >>>> .............be >>>> > >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just >>>> as >>>> easily >>>> > >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art >>>> using >>>> > >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only >>>> the left >>>> or >>>> > >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that >>>> i am on a >>>> > >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im >>>> getting >>>> > >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i >>>> wanted to >>>> > >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily >>>> upload/down >>>> > >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the >>>> file.....just >>>> keep >>>> > >>>it under 56k. >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>oh, ya >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>359 true and untrue I statements >>>> > >>>by thaniel ion lee >>>> > >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd >>>> > >>>located at >>>> > >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the >>>> comment to >>>> > >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send >>>> it to >>>> > >>>everyone who got this email >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>>> > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >>>> > >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -- - >>>> > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >>website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >mandra >>>> > >c:410.258.5281 >>>> > >h:301 772 7376 >>>> > > >>>> > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >>>> > >creator of "the manDrum" >>>> > >...jamming the mainstream in the zips >>>> > >http://defDumbAndBass.com >>>> > >http://telesma23.com >>>> > >http://skywheel.com >>>> > > >>>> > >Come to my very happening *happening* >>>> > >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >>>> > >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >>>> > >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >>>> > >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" >>>> > > >>>> > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every >>>> month at >>>> the >>>> > >13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic >>>> music. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Check out the new MSN Search! >>> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> mandra >> c:410.258.5281 >> h:301 772 7376 >> >> realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >> creator of "the manDrum" >> ...jamming the mainstream in the zips >> http://defDumbAndBass.com >> http://telesma23.com >> http://skywheel.com >> >> Come to my very happening *happening* >> the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >> happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >> @ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >> watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" >> >> AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month >> at the 13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of >> electronic music. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 04:06:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34079-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15506 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:06:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 15496 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:06:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:07:01 -0500 From: mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> (chris) Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ergo, even though I missed your point, what I wrote is apropos... On Jan 23, 2005, at 10:19 PM, greg g wrote: > no, you're missing the point. everyone here is really obsessed with > all these "constraints" and stuff, like only using certain software or > encoding, or certain samples, like the microsound releases for > example. > > so this obviously is a parody of that... how about the constraints > being "good music" for a change > > > >> From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >> things >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:13:21 -0500 >> >> I think greg means "good" as determined by whomever sends something >> in. If you think you're stuff is "good", send it (if you want) >> But I'm just guessing. >> chris >> On Jan 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, greg g wrote: >> >>> you are thinking way too hard >>> >>> just chill >>> >>> >>>> From: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 >>>> >>>> "good" as determined by who? >>>> are you proposing that your subjective judgement represents a >>>> consensus? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "greg g" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> >>>> >>>> > that's why it's a challenge >>>> > >>>> > better get started. i'm serious >>>> > >>>> > >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 >>>> > > >>>> > >that'll be a small site... >>>> > >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music >>>> submissions plz, >>>> > >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >>>> > >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> > >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >>>> > >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>> things >>>> > >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted >>>> to see >>>> what >>>> > >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints >>>> .............be >>>> > >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just >>>> as >>>> easily >>>> > >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art >>>> using >>>> > >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only >>>> the left >>>> or >>>> > >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that >>>> i am on a >>>> > >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im >>>> getting >>>> > >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i >>>> wanted to >>>> > >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily >>>> upload/down >>>> > >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the >>>> file.....just >>>> keep >>>> > >>>it under 56k. >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>oh, ya >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>359 true and untrue I statements >>>> > >>>by thaniel ion lee >>>> > >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd >>>> > >>>located at >>>> > >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the >>>> comment to >>>> > >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send >>>> it to >>>> > >>>everyone who got this email >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>>> > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >>>> > >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -- - >>>> > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >>website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >mandra >>>> > >c:410.258.5281 >>>> > >h:301 772 7376 >>>> > > >>>> > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >>>> > >creator of "the manDrum" >>>> > >...jamming the mainstream in the zips >>>> > >http://defDumbAndBass.com >>>> > >http://telesma23.com >>>> > >http://skywheel.com >>>> > > >>>> > >Come to my very happening *happening* >>>> > >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >>>> > >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >>>> > >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >>>> > >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" >>>> > > >>>> > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every >>>> month at >>>> the >>>> > >13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic >>>> music. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> > >website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Check out the new MSN Search! >>> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> mandra >> c:410.258.5281 >> h:301 772 7376 >> >> realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >> creator of "the manDrum" >> ...jamming the mainstream in the zips >> http://defDumbAndBass.com >> http://telesma23.com >> http://skywheel.com >> >> Come to my very happening *happening* >> the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >> happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >> @ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >> watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" >> >> AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month >> at the 13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of >> electronic music. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Mon Jan 24 03:20:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34078-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2298 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:20:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 2287 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:20:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:19:47 +0000 From: greg g <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [138.88.196.220] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 03:20:01.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[96D7E930:01C501C3] no, you're missing the point. everyone here is really obsessed with all these "constraints" and stuff, like only using certain software or encoding, or certain samples, like the microsound releases for example. so this obviously is a parody of that... how about the constraints being "good music" for a change >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:13:21 -0500 > >I think greg means "good" as determined by whomever sends something in. If >you think you're stuff is "good", send it (if you want) >But I'm just guessing. >chris >On Jan 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, greg g wrote: > >>you are thinking way too hard >> >>just chill >> >> >>>From: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >>>Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 >>> >>>"good" as determined by who? >>>are you proposing that your subjective judgement represents a consensus? >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "greg g" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>>To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 PM >>>Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >>> >>> >>> > that's why it's a challenge >>> > >>> > better get started. i'm serious >>> > >>> > >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>things >>> > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 >>> > > >>> > >that'll be a small site... >>> > >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: >>> > > >>> > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions >>>plz, >>> > >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >>> > >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> > >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >>> > >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >>>things >>> > >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 >>> > >>> >>> > >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to >>>see >>>what >>> > >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints >>>.............be >>> > >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as >>>easily >>> > >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art >>>using >>> > >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the >>>left >>>or >>> > >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i am >>>on a >>> > >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im >>>getting >>> > >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i wanted >>>to >>> > >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily >>>upload/down >>> > >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the >>>file.....just >>>keep >>> > >>>it under 56k. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire >>> > >>> >>> > >>>oh, ya >>> > >>> >>> > >>>359 true and untrue I statements >>> > >>>by thaniel ion lee >>> > >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd >>> > >>>located at >>> > >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ >>> > >>> >>> > >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment >>>to >>> > >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it >>>to >>> > >>>everyone who got this email >>> > >> >>> > >>_________________________________________________________________ >>> > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >>> > >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>> > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > >>website: http://www.microsound.org >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >mandra >>> > >c:410.258.5281 >>> > >h:301 772 7376 >>> > > >>> > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >>> > >creator of "the manDrum" >>> > >...jamming the mainstream in the zips >>> > >http://defDumbAndBass.com >>> > >http://telesma23.com >>> > >http://skywheel.com >>> > > >>> > >Come to my very happening *happening* >>> > >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >>> > >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >>> > >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >>> > >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" >>> > > >>> > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month >>>at >>>the >>> > >13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic >>>music. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > >website: http://www.microsound.org >>> > > >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>>FREE! >>> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > website: http://www.microsound.org >>> > >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >mandra >c:410.258.5281 >h:301 772 7376 > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >creator of "the manDrum" >...jamming the mainstream in the zips >http://defDumbAndBass.com >http://telesma23.com >http://skywheel.com > >Come to my very happening *happening* >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month at >the 13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic music. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Mon Jan 24 03:12:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34077-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99758 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:12:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 99747 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:12:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:13:21 -0500 From: mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> (chris) Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think greg means "good" as determined by whomever sends something in. If you think you're stuff is "good", send it (if you want) But I'm just guessing. chris On Jan 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, greg g wrote: > you are thinking way too hard > > just chill > > >> From: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >> things >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 >> >> "good" as determined by who? >> are you proposing that your subjective judgement represents a >> consensus? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "greg g" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >> things >> >> >> > that's why it's a challenge >> > >> > better get started. i'm serious >> > >> > >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >> things >> > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 >> > > >> > >that'll be a small site... >> > >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: >> > > >> > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions >> plz, >> > >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >> > >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> > >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >> > >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other >> things >> > >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 >> > >>> >> > >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to >> see >> what >> > >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints >> .............be >> > >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as >> easily >> > >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art >> using >> > >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the >> left >> or >> > >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i >> am on a >> > >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im >> getting >> > >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i >> wanted to >> > >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily >> upload/down >> > >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the >> file.....just >> keep >> > >>>it under 56k. >> > >>> >> > >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire >> > >>> >> > >>>oh, ya >> > >>> >> > >>>359 true and untrue I statements >> > >>>by thaniel ion lee >> > >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd >> > >>>located at >> > >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ >> > >>> >> > >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment >> to >> > >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it >> to >> > >>>everyone who got this email >> > >> >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ >> > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >> > >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> >> > >> >> > >mandra >> > >c:410.258.5281 >> > >h:301 772 7376 >> > > >> > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma >> > >creator of "the manDrum" >> > >...jamming the mainstream in the zips >> > >http://defDumbAndBass.com >> > >http://telesma23.com >> > >http://skywheel.com >> > > >> > >Come to my very happening *happening* >> > >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! >> > >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month >> > >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD >> > >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" >> > > >> > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every >> month at >> the >> > >13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic >> music. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > >website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - >> it's FREE! >> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. 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Mon Jan 24 03:07:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34076-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96746 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:07:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 96686 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:07:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:06:48 +0000 From: greg g <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <00ba01c501c0$4cfb1880$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [138.88.196.220] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 03:07:01.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[C60FB040:01C501C1] you are thinking way too hard just chill >From: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 > >"good" as determined by who? >are you proposing that your subjective judgement represents a consensus? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "greg g" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 PM >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things > > > > that's why it's a challenge > > > > better get started. i'm serious > > > > >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things > > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 > > > > > >that'll be a small site... > > >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: > > > > > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions plz, > > >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx > > >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) > > >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things > > >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 > > >>> > > >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to see >what > > >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints >.............be > > >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as >easily > > >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art using > > >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the left >or > > >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i am on >a > > >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im getting > > >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i wanted to > > >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily upload/down > > >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the file.....just >keep > > >>>it under 56k. > > >>> > > >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire > > >>> > > >>>oh, ya > > >>> > > >>>359 true and untrue I statements > > >>>by thaniel ion lee > > >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd > > >>>located at > > >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ > > >>> > > >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment to > > >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it to > > >>>everyone who got this email > > >> > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >>website: http://www.microsound.org > > >> > > >> > > >mandra > > >c:410.258.5281 > > >h:301 772 7376 > > > > > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma > > >creator of "the manDrum" > > >...jamming the mainstream in the zips > > >http://defDumbAndBass.com > > >http://telesma23.com > > >http://skywheel.com > > > > > >Come to my very happening *happening* > > >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! > > >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month > > >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD > > >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" > > > > > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month at >the > > >13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic music. > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. 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Mon Jan 24 03:00:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34075-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93818 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:00:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 93808 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:00:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00ba01c501c0$4cfb1880$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "good" as determined by who? are you proposing that your subjective judgement represents a consensus? ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg g" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things > that's why it's a challenge > > better get started. i'm serious > > >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 > > > >that'll be a small site... > >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: > > > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions plz, > >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx > >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) > >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things > >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 > >>> > >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to see what > >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints ..............be > >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as easily > >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art using > >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the left or > >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i am on a > >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im getting > >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i wanted to > >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily upload/down > >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the file.....just keep > >>>it under 56k. > >>> > >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire > >>> > >>>oh, ya > >>> > >>>359 true and untrue I statements > >>>by thaniel ion lee > >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd > >>>located at > >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ > >>> > >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment to > >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it to > >>>everyone who got this email > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > >mandra > >c:410.258.5281 > >h:301 772 7376 > > > >realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma > >creator of "the manDrum" > >...jamming the mainstream in the zips > >http://defDumbAndBass.com > >http://telesma23.com > >http://skywheel.com > > > >Come to my very happening *happening* > >the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! > >happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month > >@ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD > >watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" > > > >AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month at the > >13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic music. > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 02:23:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34074-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82687 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:23:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 82677 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:23:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:23:30 -0500 From: Peter Price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] L.E.M.U.R. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This past fall I saw Mari Kimura demonstrate and talk about her work at Harvestworks in NYC. I was surprised and heartened to learn that she teaches a class in interactive performance technique where these juliard kids not only have to play with computers but have to learn to do there own programing in max/msp. Not quite the bastion of 19th century musical values it once was I guess. On Sunday, January 23, 2005, at 08:45 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://www.juilliard.edu/update/journal/j_articles385.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 02:21:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34073-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81292 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:21:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 81281 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:21:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:20:35 +0000 From: greg g <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [138.88.196.220] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 02:21:00.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[58C5B030:01C501BB] that's why it's a challenge better get started. i'm serious >From: (chris) mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 > >that'll be a small site... >On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: > >>i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions plz, >>that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free >> >> >> >>>From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >>>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >>>Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >>>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 >>> >>>the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to see what >>>would happen if people are limited by certain restraints .............be >>>it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as easily >>>proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art using >>>nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the left or >>>right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i am on a >>>cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im getting >>>tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i wanted to >>>challenge my self to write something that i could easily upload/down >>>load. i personally dont care what format you make the file.....just keep >>>it under 56k. >>> >>>-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire >>> >>>oh, ya >>> >>>359 true and untrue I statements >>>by thaniel ion lee >>>online from january 23rd til february 23rd >>>located at >>>http://thanielionlee.com/ >>> >>>if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment to >>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it to >>>everyone who got this email >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! 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Mon Jan 24 02:16:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34072-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79283 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:16:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 79272 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:16:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:17:28 -0500 From: mandra <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> (chris) Subject: Re: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that'll be a small site... On Jan 23, 2005, at 9:13 PM, greg g wrote: > i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions plz, > that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free > > > >> From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >> Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 >> >> the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to see >> what would happen if people are limited by certain restraints >> .............be it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could >> have just as easily proposed a project that involved everyone >> composing music/art using nothing, but text files or the color red or >> even better only the left or right channel. the reason why i chose >> 56k or smaller was that i am on a cheap laptop in indiana and im >> working w/ a 56k modem and im getting tired of trying to down load >> 9MB or larger files....also i wanted to challenge my self to write >> something that i could easily upload/down load. i personally dont >> care what format you make the file.....just keep it under 56k. >> >> -thaniel ion lee///bridle wire >> >> oh, ya >> >> 359 true and untrue I statements >> by thaniel ion lee >> online from january 23rd til february 23rd >> located at >> http://thanielionlee.com/ >> >> if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment to >> xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it to >> everyone who got this email > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > mandra c:410.258.5281 h:301 772 7376 realtime experimentalist / guitarist for Telesma creator of "the manDrum" ....jamming the mainstream in the zips http://defDumbAndBass.com http://telesma23.com http://skywheel.com Come to my very happening *happening* the defDumbAndBass fREAKoUT! happening the 3rd Sunday of EVERY month @ the Royal - 1542 Light Street, Baltimore, MD watch, listen, dance, relax and explore the "known unknowns" AND check out "e+@13" - a new show the first Thursday of every month at the 13th Floor in Baltimore highlighting live aspects of electronic music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 02:14:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34071-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77411 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:14:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 77401 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:14:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:13:26 +0000 From: greg g <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [138.88.196.220] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 02:14:00.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E5BDA70:01C501BA] i propose the "good music" challenge--only good music submissions plz, that's the only constraint. i'll host the files free >From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) >Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 > >the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to see what >would happen if people are limited by certain restraints .............be it >physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as easily >proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art using >nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the left or >right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i am on a >cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im getting tired >of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i wanted to challenge my >self to write something that i could easily upload/down load. i personally >dont care what format you make the file.....just keep it under 56k. > >-thaniel ion lee///bridle wire > >oh, ya > >359 true and untrue I statements >by thaniel ion lee >online from january 23rd til february 23rd >located at >http://thanielionlee.com/ > >if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment to >xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it to >everyone who got this email _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.juilliard.edu/update/journal/j_articles385.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 01:08:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34069-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55784 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:08:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 55768 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:08:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000 From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] thoughts on the 56k chalenge and other things To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx) Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 18 2004) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Y7XO1drzZpoGk6l5ZCCpvw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated-Sender: dGlvbmxlZUBhdHQubmV0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Y7XO1drzZpoGk6l5ZCCpvw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the reason i proposed the 56k challenge was because i wanted to see what would happen if people are limited by certain restraints .............be it physiccal, mental, sonic or file size.....i could have just as easily proposed a project that involved everyone composing music/art using nothing, but text files or the color red or even better only the left or right channel. the reason why i chose 56k or smaller was that i am on a cheap laptop in indiana and im working w/ a 56k modem and im getting tired of trying to down load 9MB or larger files....also i wanted to challenge my self to write something that i could easily upload/down load. i personally dont care what format you make the file.....just keep it under 56k. -thaniel ion lee///bridle wire oh, ya 359 true and untrue I statements by thaniel ion lee online from january 23rd til february 23rd located at http://thanielionlee.com/ if you would like to comment on the work kindly send the comment to xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx ....do not ......i repeat do not send it to everyone who got this email --Boundary_(ID_Y7XO1drzZpoGk6l5ZCCpvw)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 00:05:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34068-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37316 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:05:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 37304 invoked from network); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:05:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:03:16 -0500 From: ndkent <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] the 56k challenge To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > At variable bit rate MP3, lower frequencies require less information to > encode than higher frequencies. With some calculation, you could make a > pretty long bass drone that would still come in under 56K easy. I > remember something like a 10 minute Slub track using this technique > that > still fit on a floppy. > > Likewise, a MIDI file, PD patch or any other essentially "textual" > instructions for playing a "track" need not take up more than a few Kb > of space. Certainly. I found it kind of interesting that most people on this list who responded immediately focused on mp3s and reducing their size. As if the only way to do it is to externally source a larger linear audio file you captured and compress it as much as possible Lo-Fi fetish aside, maybe I'm old or something but the first thing that popped into my mind was that this was intended as a retro code programming challenge to begin with, not the challenge of compressing linear data. I'm old enough to remember when programmers would get props for fast and efficient code rather than tell others by default to go buy themselves a faster machine with more RAM or else they are never going to run that bloatware app. Round about 1989 I was working at a college computer lab with a room full of already aged IMB PC XTs (pre-286 machines) - so there were quite a few afternoons when no classes were held. I came up with some code, probably compiled Turbo Pascal, all of about 6K that would make the PC output insect-like clicking sounds to the speakers along with some no frills graphics made with repeated line segments that drew sort of palm tree leaves on the screens. So that was my app. Kind of lame on one computer but quite a surround environment running on all 16-20 machines in the room. ndkent http://www.technopop.info/ndkent/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 23 22:54:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34067-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17495 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:54:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 17485 invoked from network); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:54:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:54:19 -0500 From: billy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Death of electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <l03130303be19c426ade6@[213.84.105.55]> <l03130302be19adde7142@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <l03130300be19a282c5d8@[213.84.105.55]> <BE11AAD5.2CB1%xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <l03130300be19a282c5d8@[213.84.105.55]> <l03130301be19a5516ed9@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <l03130302be19adde7142@[213.84.105.55]> <l03130303be19c426ade6@[213.84.105.55]> <l03130304be19ca562227@[213.84.105.55]> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I also consider john's response to be "doing it well" well! On Jan 23, 2005, at 5:31 PM, John Nowak wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: > >>> by doing it well. > >> -Which applied method would this mean? > > Do you consider yourself an artist? > > - John > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx