From Brian Willoughby Sent Wed, Mar 7th 2018, 02:12
From Brian Willoughby Sent Wed, Mar 7th 2018, 02:12
I think it=E2=80=99s better to call this a =E2=80=9Cpoor value=E2=80=9D = rather than =E2=80=9Coverpriced,=E2=80=9D but I=E2=80=99m just being = picky over terminology. =E2=80=9COverpriced=E2=80=9D implies that we should pay human beings no = more than the robots on an assembly line. Logan and others are perfectly = justified in asking $1,000 total for the kit parts plus their manual = labor. It=E2=80=99s completely unfair to expect someone to build a = single synthesizer for the same low price that Behringer can = mass-produce other clones. Of course, just because $1,000 might be a = fair price to ask doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily mean that anyone is going = to find it a good value. I object to these terms (like overpriced) because they diminish the = amount of labor that someone puts into these builds. It just sounds like = too much is expected of builders and repair shops, as if we are entitled = to their labor just because mass-produced alternatives are so cheap. My = point is that you=E2=80=99re comparing apples and oranges (or maybe = fresh-squeezed o.j. versus artificial apple flavor). Personally, I=E2=80=99ve been building custom designed circuits every = once in a while (like a Hammond MIDI drawbar controller) just because I = can dial in the exact features that I want. Unfortunately, building only = one, two, or three units costs hundreds more than buying an existing = product, often with a total price tag as high as $1,000 (even without = paying for my own labor) by the time the project is finished and = working. But it wouldn=E2=80=99t be fair to say that the components are = =E2=80=9Coverpriced=E2=80=9D just because I couldn=E2=80=99t get a bulk = discount by buying 10,000 to a million for mass production. Anyway, please be considerate of the humans who are willing to put hours = of their time into the mess of PCB and parts involved. If it looks like = a bad value proposition to you, then feel free to say so, but please = don=E2=80=99t imply that somebody is trying to rip off everyone (unless = you=E2=80=99re willing to build these kits to a high quality standard = for $10). Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting On Mar 6, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Em Wilson <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Me either, even though I love the model in question. >=20 > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Boniforti Flavio = <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Right. >> And also, overpriced is a subjective matter... >> I personally wouldn't pay that amount for a clone SY-1... >> F. >>=20 >> M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> schrieb am Mi., 7. M=C3=A4rz 2018, 02:09: >>> >>I guess we were just discussing the overpriced (?!) offer for a = clone... >>>=20 >>> yes, and no one's yet given any evidence that it isn't >>>=20 >>> From: Boniforti Flavio <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> >>> =20 >>> I'll take your positive feedback into account - even if I'm in = Europe ;-) I guess we were just discussing the overpriced (?!) offer for = a clone... >>> F. >>>=20 >>> 2018-03-07 1:42 GMT+01:00 Em Wilson <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: >>>> Totally understand going with your regular guy - but for the = record, Logan is a darn fine tech if you're in the upper midwest.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Boniforti Flavio = <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>> Yes - same guy I talked to... >>>>>=20 >>>>> But I'll have mine (from PsycoX) built from my trusty synth repair = tech! ;-) >>>>> F. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 2018-03-06 17:28 GMT+01:00 DJ Maytag <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx>: >>>>>> I believe Logan Erickson (Lowgain Electronics/Modular Addict) has = preorders for built ones for $1000. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:20 AM Boniforti Flavio = <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>> Who's asking USD 1000 for one? >>>>>>> F. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 2018-03-06 17:14 GMT+01:00 M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: >>>>>>>> Can someone please explain the draw of these, or why anyone = would be justified in asking $1000 for a built one?=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> From: Nicholas D. Kent <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 6:17 AM >>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> >I just got an alert of the site changing as the syncussion kit = is back in stock, but the store seems not updated. Maybe I'm too fast = and he haven't updated the actual stock at the store ? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> http://www.thehumancomparator.net >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Just a guess, you may have tracked it ending the preorder. The = pre-order message went up back around Feb. 1 for April delivery and the = site worked back then. Though maybe you knew that and some more orders = are or were taken just now? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> There is also a different Syncussion DIY project coming out of = England >>>>>>>> https://www.psycox.co.uk >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99ve not dealt with them before=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -nick >>>>>>>=20