From Brian Willoughby Sent Sat, Apr 6th 2019, 21:54
From Brian Willoughby Sent Sat, Apr 6th 2019, 21:54
My assumption is that it is not deliberate. Instead, it=E2=80=99s = possibly a side effect of modern op-amps having greater bandwidth, = higher slew rate, and various other =E2=80=9Cimprovements=E2=80=9D that = simply weren=E2=80=99t possible decades ago. My hypothesis could possibly be tested by anyone building their own DIY = oscillators, so long as there are sockets for the op-amps. It might be = necessary to solder adaptor boards for comparing the modern = surface-mount op-amps. There are literally tens of thousands of op-amps = to choose from, and modern synths may simply be using the cheapest ones = without spending loads of time auditioning the different variations. = There=E2=80=99s certainly a lot of pressure to make modern synths cheap, = so there might not be much budget to figure which of the more-expensive = chips might sound =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D to some customers. Then again, a lot of the currently-popular op-amps are still the same = part numbers as they were decades ago, so perhaps they sound =E2=80=9Cthe = same.=E2=80=9D It=E2=80=99s hard to know for sure, though, because even = the identical part number can be quietly =E2=80=9Cimproved=E2=80=9D = without a lot of fanfare. Brian On Apr 6, 2019, at 2:38 PM, mark c <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Is this harshness in modern synths deliberate? Arturia made it a = selling point with the Minibrute, perhaps it is considered appealing to = a market segment who are used to the hyped sound from a VA. >=20 > FWIW I=E2=80=99d say the two modern analogue synths that could perhaps = pass as =E2=80=98euphonic=E2=80=99 are the Korg Odyssey and the = Behringer Minimoog and they are both direct clones of 70s synths. = Can=E2=80=99t think of any modern polys that do, perhaps the SE Code or = Deckard=E2=80=99s Dream do but they are not exactly mass market. >=20 > On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 3:29 AM Marshall Craig <xxxxxx@xx.xxx> wrote: >> I have also noticed this trend toward harshness, I though it was = just me. =E2=80=9CEuphonic,=E2=80=9D a very nice way to put it! This = ineffable quality is something that seems to be missing from most of the = modern synths I have played lately, short of the Minimoog Reissue.=20 >>=20 >> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 AM, A. Horton <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> = wrote: >> > [Behringer Clone] doesn't sound like an SH-101, though. It sounds = closer to something >> > like a Minibrute - way more aggressively voiced. This is an >> > unfortunate trend among pretty much all modern synths in the need = to >> > appeal to the cool guy/edgelord/edm/industrial/etc. crowd. You can >> > always distort a clean, euphonic synthesizer through an infinite >> > number of options in the recording process, but you can't = un-distort >> > something that's designed to sound like a honking, overdriven = turkey >> > by design. >> >=20 >=20