From stepintime Sent Wed, Oct 21st 1998, 08:56
From stepintime Sent Wed, Oct 21st 1998, 08:56
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:30:23 +1000 Peter Hollo <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> writes: ><LONG RANT WARNING> (Irene, enjoy!) >Brian Flanagan wrote: ><A whole lot of patronising misinterpretations and total rubbish not >worth repeating snipped> > >Man, you have seriously not read a word of this discussion have you? >Boards of Canada were in fact one of those groups suggested as using >detuning in a very cool way. Mike & Rich too is a joke band and I'm >sure >the out-of-tunedness is deliberate, even though I don't listen to it >much... > >For the record, the bit near the end of nlogax by BoC isn't out of >tune >at all, it's just weird harmonies over the bassline and stuff, and is >exquisitely beautiful. And all the "out of tune" bits in Selected >Ambient Works Vol II are clearly there for a purpose and make the >tracks >in question particularly effective. > >On the other hand, "Easy Muffin", track 2 from Bricolage by Amon >Tobin, >10would be one of my favourite tracks if it weren't for the horn >sample >that comes in about 46 seconds into the track and is considerably >flatter than the rest of the track. NO WAY was this meant to be like >that for the effect - and I just can't listen to it without >discomfort. > >Similarly there's an early track on "Dead Cities" by FSOL which has a >synth line that's slightly out of tune with its surroundings and >totally >destroys the point of its being there. Samples are put there for a >musical purpose, and if that purpose does not involve detuned-ness, >then >being out of tune may be a very big draw-back to a lot of people. > >> > than much of the uninformative crap we usually read in CD reviews >> as I say....good or bad is obviously not good enough for you... > >Well if you mean "The new CD by x is really good" should make me go >and >get it, that's just crap. A review should tell me something about how >the CD sounds and whether it might be worth my listening to it in a >shop >or gambling on mail ordering it. [I suspect that's not what you meant; >if so, I'm sorry.] > >> > in which case it's like a colour blind person going "For god's >sake, >> > stop all this anal babbling about red and green, who cares?" >> terrible analogy.... we are all capable of listening to the music we > >> love on this list, so obviously you DO think you can "listen" to >music >> better than me.... > >I disagree, that's not what I was saying at all. I am suggesting that >just because you don't care about it doesn't give you the right to >deride those who do, or tell us we're doing something wrong. >Basically, >it's not what you're saying that matters to me - I don't care whether >_you_ care about accidental out-of-tune music - but that you can't >help >being extremely offensive to those who do care. You say you're "well >in >line"... well I think you're way _out_ of line for telling those of us >for whom sloppy out of tune sampling (ie where it's not MEANT to be >there stylistically) is important are "sad" (in your first post) and >now >"utterly utterly snobbish". > >Go on Brian, tell me I'm a snob because I like classical music too. >Tell >me I'm a loser because I've studied music theory. You've already told >me >I like lame crap like Joe Satriani (what kind of stupid analogy is >THAT?)... Maybe I don't like the Sex Pistols too hey? (try again) > >And I was saying "I can listen to music better than you" was I? I >don't >think so! It was me in "###SELF DEFENSE MODE###" but whilst you go >into >self defense mode when I reply to you, you clearly don't recognise >that >I might want to defend myself too. >As I said above, I don't think I can listen to music better than you >at >all, but there's a very large cross-section of IDM listeners for whom >being in tune matters (in those cases that I have outlined) and you've >just told us we're sad snobs who are, I presume, LISTENING TO MUSIC >FOR >THE WRONG THINGS. >Thanks for letting me know the right criteria for music listening >Brian. >Now I know I guess. > >Peter. >P.S. Maybe not my last words on the matter, but I don't think this >discussion is off-topic myself. I'll try and not be baited next time, >or >take it off-list! >-- >Peter Hollo xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html > FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet > http://www.fourplay.com.au >"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and >your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. > to..many..words. must..not..read. uuuuuuaauuu // delete! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]