From Edward Schultheis Sent Sat, Oct 13th 2018, 21:21
Mmmm FiveG... love it there!=20 > On Oct 13, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Kylee Kennedy <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >=20 > God no. Tokyo has high rent costs so walk in store prices are always > higher than the online-auction sites. The benefit of paying more there > is you know the gear will work right. > Still go to the stores to check out the rarer synths! My first time > seeing a System 800 was at FiveG. >=20 > Kylee >> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 8:12 AM el macaco <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>=20 >> Yeah the IG chip failures appear rare to me as well, but when it happens,= any alternatives? >>=20 >> Any walk in stores in Tokyo that have good prices or is it all yahoo auct= ions? >>=20 >> On Oct 12, 2018, at 9:34 PM, M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>=20 >> CS synths do seem to be very abundant in Japan and are usually a lot chea= per if you can be bothered to go through the hurdles of bidding using Yahoo-= Japan auctions. Buying from Japanese sellers on ebay is a bit of a gamble--t= he first CS-10 I bought was NOT the model shown in the auction. The seller c= laimed that they had more than one and they got swapped, but my sense (and a= lso what I have read) is that some unscrupulous sellers will list things the= y don't have yet and then only go out and buy them once the auction is ended= . This probably doesn't happen to the same extent on Yahoo-Japan, but who kn= ows. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IG chips are rare, but they also don't actually seem to fail that oft= en. I've only ever heard about a few chips going out, and it always seems to= be the VCA (or perhaps filter). >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> From: el macaco <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:29 PM >> To: M V >> Cc: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki; AH >> Subject: Re: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? >>=20 >> I had a CS-15 for years. Probably the only synth I sold I would want aga= in. Simple but so flexible and expressive. The filter tracking you handle w= ith the brilliance control, which you can select either or both filters. >>=20 >> Does anybody know if it=E2=80=99s true that they=E2=80=99re cheaper in Ja= pan? Have someone going that might grab one for me if I tell him where to gr= ab it. >>=20 >> The other thing holding me back is those custom Yamaha chips. If they go= bad, has anyone reverse engineered them or found equivalents? I=E2=80=99d h= ate to have it not be repairable without cannibalizing existing ones. >>=20 >> On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:22 PM, M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>=20 >> I understand the desire to stick with the CS, but one thing you should be= aware of is that the "black" CS synths, included the 30, have a more polite= sound compared to the "wood" m-series. The latter sounds slightly more aggr= essive and American despite using all the same core chips. Not to dissuade y= ou--what you lose in presence you make up for in feature richness, and I thi= nk the 30 is still may fav of all the CS mono and duophonics. You could also= go for the CS-40m, which gets rid of all the limitations you mentioned, but= in use I found the 40m to somehow be less than the sum of its parts (which a= re many). >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> From: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:45 PM >> To: xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx >> Cc: AH >> Subject: Re: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? >>=20 >> Never heard of a GRP A2 before. I checked it out quickly - not for me >> this time as I really like synths with keyboards. Also the dual filter >> aspect of the CS30 is highly interesting. And finally, the CS20M was >> my first analog synth, and I've had it for almost 20 years... The >> Yamaha sound has been a part of my synth hobby for such a long time, >> but I don't like some of the CS20M's limitations, especially the lack >> of filter tracking control and the lack of single triggering keyboard >> mode, both of which the CS30 has, along with dual filters, ring mod >> and all the weirdness. >>=20 >> If I was more sensible, I'd probably get a used Matrixbrute. Similar >> price as a CS30, I think. Also dual filter but with memories, analog >> effects, possibility to split the keyboard for left hand bass (which >> I'd really like!) etc. >>=20 >> But I kinda want to experience that CS Yamaha sound without the >> CS20M's limitations. I could finally create those sounds I dreamt of. >> The lack of filter keyboard tracking is so annoying... Just when >> you've dialed it perfect for the lower range of the keyboard, it's too >> bright in the upper registers etc. And always multiple triggering. >> Single triggering is just so much more expressive. Although I >> discovered a little workaround for that, but still. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Antti >>=20 >> to 11. lokak. 2018 klo 4.40 M V (xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx) kirjoitti: >>>=20 >>> I don't have much to add to the specific debate at hand, but as a former= CS-30 owner, thought I would suggest an alternative in the form of the GRP A= 2. I was recently thinking about getting a CS-30 again, but as I did, I was r= eminded about the various weird limitations. Some of these can be overcome w= ith modding, but still... not ideal. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> At the same time I was looking at the A2 and I basically came to the con= clusion that if you ignore the independent dual filter aspect (which can be a= little too "CS-funk" for its own good at times), the A2 has all the same fe= atures and then some. Useful, and also novel modulations out the wazoo, insa= nely snappy envelopes, and a really classy filter sound that feels somewhere= in between the SEM multimode filter and the first ARP LP filter. And the bu= ild quality is top notch--it sets a precedent that every maker should be fol= lowing. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If I desperately need the CS sound, I have a CS-10 which does the job fi= ne. The only things I really miss on the CS-30 now are the formant vowel sou= nds (surprisingly good). The A2 is about the same price as a CS-30 or 30L th= ese days, but they are about to be discontinued, so well worth looking into n= ow. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 4:02 PM >>> To: AH >>> Subject: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I'm thinking of selling my Yamaha CS20M and getting either a CS30L or >>> a CS30. But which one is better? >>>=20 >>> If I've understood correctly they are the same, except CS30L lacks the >>> sequencer but has a "brilliance" control, allowing tweaking the cutoff >>> of both filters simultaneously. As an extra feature the CS30L also has >>> a "sustain" control, allowing controlling the release of all envelopes >>> simultaneously. CS30L also has a pedal control voltage input for the >>> "brilliance", which the CS30 lacks. >>>=20 >>> However, is there any way with the CS30 to tweak the cutoff of both >>> filters simultaneously, apart from using two hands? If not, is it easy >>> to mod to have this feature? >>>=20 >>> I'm leaning towards a CS30L because of the extra "brilliance" feature >>> and a somewhat cheaper average price, although of course then I'll >>> loose the sequencer. I've never been terribly interested in analogue >>> sequencers and so I don't value the sequencer that much, but of course >>> it would be fun to have it integrated in a synth like the CS30 has >>> (allowing weird stuff like one oscillator controlled by the sequencer, >>> one by the keyboard but so that the sequence is also transposed, and >>> some envelopes controlled by the sequencer and some by the >>> keyboard...). >>>=20 >>> Anyways, I'd love to hear opinions on which one is better, the CS30 or >>> the CS30L? :) >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Antti