From Andrew Horton Sent Tue, Apr 24th 2018, 15:39
From Andrew Horton Sent Tue, Apr 24th 2018, 15:39
Anything can do anything. The Cirklon is especially fun and intuitive to work on; it sits right among the rest of my gear and works like a classic x0x style machine for very quickly laying down the ideas in my head in a way that's more transparent than any other piece of gear I've used. It drives my entire room full of gear at once, over MIDI CV simultaneously with timing that's as tight and locked-in and no-fuss as my MC-4. It makes arranging songs very quick too; extremely easy to make different section sand paste them together, jam, and evolve while constantly laying down new parts and variations. I can work in any number of styles on it as well - x0x for beats, SH-101 style for laying down melodic sequences and basslines, analog sequencer style just jamming on the knobs, or "piano roll" style if I want to suddenly dick around and lay down a part that runs the entire length of the song. It weds all of these together in a fun manner. The type of work that I used to do by using an MC-4, with one channel of the MC-4 transposing a CSQ-600 and MC-202 simultaneously, can be done in a way that's faster, funner, more complex, more jammable, and more intuitive. On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Mark C <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrot= e: > To the Cirklon owners out there, do you think a computer controller hooke= d > up to software running on a PC or Mac do the same thing? > > We have plenty of performance controllers but not much in the way of a > software / controller combo for sequencing. > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Steven Clements <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > wrote: >> >> read repeat... cirklon... >> get one >> get on the waiting list >> don't look back >> >> >> >> Steven >> >> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:23 AM, henrique matias <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >> wrote: >>> >>> No doubt BSP is a good choice on the feature/price ratio, feature-wise >>> you can't compared it with a Cirklon. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20 April 2018 at 18:12, justin reed <xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> it's not bad but it is odd to have latency/delay for a device like thi= s. >>>> >>>> it's not a trigger delay but rather a clock delay between sequencers >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Royce Lee <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrot= e: >>>>> >>>>> Those jitter and delay figures seem very low, in a good way. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Quincas Moreira <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No sloppier than a human drummer, adds to the groove ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:34 AM, justin reed <xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx= > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it's an issue with the midi vs cv signals. >>>>>>> also drum vs cv gates, perhaps this has been updated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> documented via innerclock lab testing: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Source: Internal clock >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > MIDI TX (SEQ 1) - Max. Jitter between MIDI Notes: 83 samples >>>>>>> > (1.69ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Gate Out (SEQ 1) - Max. Jitter between Steps: 78 samples (1.62ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Gate Out (Drum Gate 1) - Max. Jitter between Steps: 78 samples >>>>>>> > (1.62ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Din-Sync Out - Max. Jitter between Clocks: 78 samples (1.62ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > MIDI Clock Out - Max. Jitter between Clocks: 78 samples (1.62ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note: All Drum Gates: 57 samples (1.19ms) late against both SEQ Gat= es >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Source: MIDI Clock - Sync-Gen II >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > MIDI TX (SEQ 1) - Max. Jitter between MIDI Notes: 80 samples >>>>>>> > (1.67ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DAW Grid Offset: 109 samples (2.27ms) Behind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Gate Out (SEQ 1) - Max. Jitter between Steps: 75 samples (1.56ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DAW Grid Offset: 123 samples (2.56ms) Behind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Gate Out (Drum Gate 1) - Max. Jitter between Steps: 75 samples >>>>>>> > (1.56ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DAW Grid Offset: 176 samples (3.68ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Source: Din-Sync (24PPQ) - Sync-Gen II >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > MIDI TX (SEQ 1) - Max. Jitter between MIDI Notes: 76 samples >>>>>>> > (1.58ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DAW Grid Offset: 61 samples (1.27ms) Behind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Gate Out (SEQ 1) - Max. Jitter between Steps: 71 samples (1.45ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DAW Grid Offset: 59 samples (1.22ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Gate Out (Drum Gate 1) - Max. Jitter between Steps: 71 samples >>>>>>> > (1.45ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DAW Grid Offset: 107 samples (2.22ms) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Boniforti Flavio >>>>>>> <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you noticed latency on the analog outs of the BSP? Which >>>>>>>> firmware? >>>>>>>> I use one of my BSPs to play SH-101 and SH-2, didn't yet encounter >>>>>>>> this issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> F. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/bonnyfused >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2018-04-20 18:01 GMT+02:00 justin reed <xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it would be nice if the BSP compensated for the cv/trigger latenc= y >>>>>>>>> somehow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the Flame clockwork has an awesome shifting capability per channe= l >>>>>>>>> similar to erm multiclock. it's so cool for fine tuning the trac= k >>>>>>>>> alignment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Boniforti Flavio >>>>>>>>> <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I already got 2 BSPs and I love them both for their immediacy. >>>>>>>>>> This is what I found in the ARP Sequencer I played last week! >>>>>>>>>> F. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/bonnyfused >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2018-04-20 17:19 GMT+02:00 Quincas Moreira <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have I said the BSP is a no brainer with two monophonic channel= s >>>>>>>>>>> plus 8 drum gates, pad controller, 16 assignable knobs, midi, U= SB, Din Sync, >>>>>>>>>>> clock IO, roller, song mode, preset scales, independent length = sequences, >>>>>>>>>>> etc etc, for less than 300 usd? It's digital with analog outpu= ts of course, >>>>>>>>>>> and the power connector is mini USB so be careful. But it's as = much fun as >>>>>>>>>>> you can have for the money in sequencer land. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 9:42 AM, A. Horton >>>>>>>>>>> <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Cirklon is the best sequencer I've ever owned. It's >>>>>>>>>>>> basically >>>>>>>>>>>> replaced my MC-4 and added a ton more functionality. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:34 AM, henrique matias >>>>>>>>>>>> <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > Cirklon is not 100% analogue sequencer, but it does feel >>>>>>>>>>>> > analogue and it >>>>>>>>>>>> > does talk to all kinds of analogue gear you would want. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > For the price of 3 or 4 modular modules you can get the best >>>>>>>>>>>> > ever made >>>>>>>>>>>> > sequencer, it's a no-brainer. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > If you want some really specific feature from some small >>>>>>>>>>>> > sequencer module, >>>>>>>>>>>> > or if you like to have tons of faders then yeah go for >>>>>>>>>>>> > something a little >>>>>>>>>>>> > bit more weird. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > But if you actually want to write sequences and recall them >>>>>>>>>>>> > and control your >>>>>>>>>>>> > gear in a "smart" and "precise" way, there is nothing better >>>>>>>>>>>> > than the >>>>>>>>>>>> > Cirklon. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > It's something you can have and use for your whole life, not= a >>>>>>>>>>>> > small/weird >>>>>>>>>>>> > toy that you will end up swapping for some other toy in the >>>>>>>>>>>> > next couple >>>>>>>>>>>> > years. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > It can sequence MIDI, CV, send DIN SYNC and also MIDI over >>>>>>>>>>>> > USB. I use to >>>>>>>>>>>> > sequence midi gear, CV gear and plugins all at once and it >>>>>>>>>>>> > works like I >>>>>>>>>>>> > never seenn before in over 10 years of playing around with a= ll >>>>>>>>>>>> > sorts of >>>>>>>>>>>> > sequencers i could put my hands on. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > It can also work as MIDI to CV converter and it's tunning >>>>>>>>>>>> > system is much >>>>>>>>>>>> > better than any other midi to CV device i have seen. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Have i said the Cirklon is a no brainer? >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > On 19 April 2018 at 20:52, Royce Lee <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Agree with this. Ladik has a eurorack quantizer for about $= 70 >>>>>>>>>>>> >> that allows >>>>>>>>>>>> >> CV control of transpose and CV control of Octave. Manual >>>>>>>>>>>> >> control of scale is >>>>>>>>>>>> >> available. Between these three options, it is a cinch to se= nd >>>>>>>>>>>> >> a slow LFO to >>>>>>>>>>>> >> these parameters to create musical variations. I find these >>>>>>>>>>>> >> to me more >>>>>>>>>>>> >> interesting than key transposing on the built in sequencers >>>>>>>>>>>> >> in monosynths. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> It is a different kind of musical effect that can be "wrong= " >>>>>>>>>>>> >> in interesting >>>>>>>>>>>> >> ways. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jason Proctor >>>>>>>>>>>> >> <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> right, mixer + quantiser >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> btw, i loves external quantisers with pokeable scales, lik= e >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the uScale or >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Penfold. instant sequence intro/outro and remixing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> plus blinkenlights! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Tom Butcher >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Get a cheapo unity mixer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Kenny Balys >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I just wish there was a CV adder on the SQ1 so it was >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> transposable. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I must be able to transpose a step sequencer and this on= e >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> is so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> frustratingly close to perfect. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> For crafty filter and audio sequencing, I really enjoy t= he >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Doepfer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> A-155 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> sequencer with the A-156 quantizer / CD summer. This get= s >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> me all the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> transposing goodness that I require. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> To just get straight down to fun and "getting the job >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> done", I >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> generally >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> choose the SH-101 or CSQ-100. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> My tastes are dead simple so this does it for me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I also have the easy to use Engine Sequencer but I have >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> yet to figure >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> out how to configure the thing. I apparently need >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> something easier than >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> "easy". :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On 17.04.18 18:42 , justin reed wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> second this emotion - the SQ1 is a stupid value. could >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> could buy 4, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> powered off one USB adapter for less than any other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> SINGLE viable >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> option. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Tom Butcher >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>>> > time's not passing, you are. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 = =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2= =9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D= =81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 = =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 >>>>>>>>>>>> > =E2=9D=82 >>>>>>>>>>>> > =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 = =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2= =9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D= =82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 = =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 >>>>>>>>>>>> > =E2=9D=81 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Quincas Moreira >>>>>>>>>>> Test Pilot at VBrazil Modular >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Quincas Moreira >>>>>> Test Pilot at VBrazil Modular >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> time's not passing, you are. >>> >>> =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 = =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2= =9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D= =82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 = =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 >>> =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 = =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2= =9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D= =81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 = =E2=9D=81 =E2=9D=82 =E2=9D=81 >> >> >