From Jason J. Tar Sent Wed, Aug 25th 1999, 00:02
Ah, noticing my point becoming confused and a bit watered down, so.... >not to diss, but 2 people out of 3 answered your question. the other >one told you to read the magazine -- darn, bummer. what are you still >complaining about? Umm...wasn't my question. Someone else asked, glad they got an answer. Me...I'm just trying to prevent IDM from becoming a sales list instead of an informative list. (Or is it too late for such actions? Probably. In that case, I'm just trying to step on toes.) >> No, just wondering what the point of this list is if people are gonna be >> greedy with their info. >hmmm I don't get the greedy part. "Greedy" as in "keeping the info to themselves or to those special enough to BUY the zine". As opposed to freely offering an answer when a question is asked (if you know the answer). >I think small zines like Grooves add a good degree of exposure. I know >plenty of people who are not on IDM who don't keep up with the Jones' but >instead rely on things like small mags for checking new stuff out. Good for them. But does that mean we can't discuss manners on the list that are covered in the zine(s)? Should we just say, "oh that information can be found on this or this zine, so I can't discuss it". Or, "Just buy the disc, I can't review it". >And I don't mean to keep stressing this, but I >think a lot of people take for granted the amount of info that passes >though this list. I don't think that I implied the magazine was pointless in my original post. My original intention was simply that people answer questions if they can, not simply say "buy the zine". And again, this implies regardless of what zine it is...IE--this isn't a diss/attack on Grooves. >I was the one who said buy the mag. Shame on me. Ah, now that is the reply I was looking for. :) >In fact, anytime someone reviews something or recommends something isn't that an advertisement? >Someone says, hey I want ambient dub. Then someone says go buy Comp X. >Those money grubbing bastards could have sent the person mp3s instead of >telling them to buy the CD. Stingy with the information yet again... Hmmm...I could go either way on this one. If they sent the mp3s with the intent that the person would buy the CD if they enjoyed it, then no problem as that is the ultimate in review. (sounds speaks more than volumes of words.) But no, a well written review is not an ad. "Go buy ..." is an ad. There is a different. In Other Words--your example doesn't follow from your statement. >as for the utopian outlook of art for arts sake. No money is needed; >peace love etc.. I have to say this: Not what I said. Simply said that the person deserving of the money (or bulk there of) is the artist/musician. Not the lawyers, label execs, etc. Not even the writers. >when you go to the grocery store to buy milk they won't give it to you >because you wrote an opus... No, they will because I have a job that relies on my talents, not on riding the backs of others. >I'd imagine that this list contains a large >population of the IDM music buyin public. >What's wrong with sportin $2.50 to read about >releases that are potential purchases. >Even more than that. When these IDM producers >are heralded so greatly for their music, isn't it >worth $2.50 to read interviews with them and maybe >get some insight as to who they are and where they're >coming from Then what is the point of this list? To advertise such paper? ...and on an unrelated point...it is often that learning who these people are destroys the respect for the sounds they make. But take that as you will. It is off topic, so. >3) greedy? do you think that we make one cent from this thing? Reference my definition of "greedy" above. I didn't say you were making money. I didn't even imply that you were the one keeping the information to yourself. (As the original post was made by another). >>well. Screw the labels, screw the magazines, screw all those riding on the >>backs of the artists. Support the people making the sounds and help those >>looking to find good sounds, and then things will be all right. >I gather From the way you talk that you must run around naked in the woods, >and beat on leather skin drums for your music. No. I buy the music I enjoy, directly from the artist/label when I can. And when I like it, I tell others who have similar tastes that they might enjoy it, and describe it to them. Then if they care to, they also give that artist some money. Just because I don't care for the money-making-music-machine, doesn't imply that I "run around naked in the woods". Now, for kicking some info: Angelica 97 compilation not only features <MANY> tracks with Otomo Yoshihide and Stock Hausen & Walkman, it features a track with both of them! Plus it has an Otomo Yoshihide track with him doing some CD-J work with an Autechre disc. Fun! :) (I suppose I could have printed that on a piece of paper and said "buy my paper and learn about a Stock Hausen & Walkman/Otomo Yoshihide collaboration". But...I didn't. And aren't you glad?) --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://www.msu.edu/user/tarjason xxx@xxxxxxxx