From Will Samuels Sent Thu, Oct 8th 1998, 03:36
From Will Samuels Sent Thu, Oct 8th 1998, 03:36
---xxxx_xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx wrote: > Well I happen to like Aphrodite. I have seen him > spin twice and he really can get a party moving. So do alot of other crap djs. Paul Oakenfold for example gets the crowd moving, but he plays total crap. Getting a crowd to move is not necessarily a sign of quality music. > I have never attended a rave that featured any of the > "IDM artists," so I don't know how danceable their > sets are. Not that they need to be for dancing, but > if your'e in the mood to get your groove on, I think > Aphrodite is great. What other drum n bass djs have you seen? >> If you are really into hip hop then this might be >> the type of d n b that suits you. If you are more >> into IDM/techno/experimental music, then you would >> probably dislike this stuff as crap. > I think this is a totally false assumption. You are right that it is an assumption. I wouldn't recommend Aphrodite or anyone like him on IDM because: (A) there nothing remotely experimental or idmish about Aphrodite/alot of jump up.(B) Almost every Aphrodite tracks sounds the same, he has a formula and he doesn't do much to change things up. (C) There isn't any "edge" to his music (D) It's a watered down/more pop accessible version of a good form of music (E) It's boring Also I am speaking from the point of view of someone who ordered jungle/techno/idm for a year and a half for a record store. You get to know people and their tastes (at least for your city or state). Not to mention newsgroups give you an idea of how things are in other cities (maybe not the full picture but an idea of it) Most of the people that came into to the store that liked jump up either came from a hardcore techno/gabber background or a hip hop background. Of our customers no one that bought IDM bought Aphrodite kind of stuff. The IDM customers that bought jungle (at our store) were usually into the Looking Good/LTJ Bukem stuff, Possible Records, techstep, and the harder and darker drum n bass (like Chaos & Julia Set, Ed Rush/No U turn, position Chrome, Squarepusher, Drill n bass etc.). I am not saying that there aren't idm people out there that might like the poppier stuff. AND sometimes it just has to do with how much exposure they have to drum n bass. If you are new to it, then alot of medicocre stuff might sound kind of fresh to you. And then the more you learn about it, the further you get away from it. > I'd say I'm more into the IDM material, but that > doesn't necessarily mean that I will dislike this > kind of drum n bass. It's all about balance. After > listening to some mental tracks by Ae or Squarepusher, I like to throw on the new Photek or > a Pulp album for example. On my scale of tastes I would rank Aphrodite about as high as Crystal Method. Which is way low, but to some people it may be fresh and new...and even cool. >> I would hope the IDM type artists would continue to >> try to push the boundaries of electronic music >> rather than jump on some bandwagon. > How the hell is this a bandwagon? What do I mean by bandwagon you ask? Someone (it might of been you?) suggested that they hoped more idm artists would go in this direction. First of all, having rap in drum n bass isn't new. Puff Daddy, the Fugees, and many others have jungle remixes. I don't know about you, but I WOULD call it jumping on the bandwagon if all of a sudden a bunch of IDM artists started to jump on this trend. What is Autechre started doing a bunch of speed garage because it was the "in thing". I don't know about you but I would be pretty disappointed. And as stated before, I would prefer the IDM artists to continue to strive to break new ground rather. > I'm actually very surprised that it's taken this long > for such a cd to come out. There have been many on the market for quite a while. This is however the first one I have heard being released by Elektra. > The ties between Hip-hop and jungle are very strong, > and it's about time that people in the states that > like hip-hop are exposed to electronic music. Whoah, this is the first thing I agree with you on. Of course, hip hop and jungle have many ties. The drum breaks are an obvious similarity. I have heard Eric B & Rakim and Public Enemy beats altered and used in lots of d n b. Not to mention scratching, and even MCs. > Also, I think IDM artists utilizing the skills of an > MC would be really cool. Uhh..maybe if there isn't very much MCing. It wouldn't be my preference. Alot of the times the MC takes away from the music. I don't know how many times the MC almost ruined the show for me. > Take for example the 2nd track off of "Big Loada." > Now I know the MC isn't the main crux of the song, > but I really like the way they go together. Plus > there would be limitless possibilities for fucking > with a rapper's voice and turning it into something > totally different (e.g. mu-ziq's "Lunatic Harness") With regards to Big Loada, i didn't like it or buy it. >SOUND IN MOTION (RAM) or QUANTUM MECHANICS (RENEGADE > HARDWARE), Logical Progresion 3 > I've already got those albums. The 2nd Logical disc > is what got my interested in this type of jungle in > the first place. Cool! > I respect your opinion, but I don't see why your > reply had to be a "let's give this guy a beginner's > guide to drum n bass lecture." I don't think my original post was any kind of lecture. There were some recommendations, and my opinion. I tend to believe that the people on the idm list are usually looking for electronic music that is a more unique sound. More experimental, fresh sounds, whatever you want to call it. If you think Aphrodite is that, than post about it. But you should expect people to agree or disagree to any post. If you agree with me about a topic that fine, if you don't it just as fine. I don't think any less of anyone. Were just talking about music and that's tastes are subjective. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com