[microsound] Paulo Raposo/Janek Schaefer | Spitz | AWF | London

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Paulo Raposo/Janek Schaefer

Thurs 4 Nov | 7.30 pm
Atlantic Waves Festival
Spitz, London , UK

109 Commercial st
Old spitalfields Market,
London E1 6BG

In the same night:
Autodigest vs 3 sax players
Lol Coxhill, Rob Mills, Alan Wilkinson

http://www.atlanticwaves.org.uk

If you're around, please come and say hello

            http://www.sirr-ecords.com/pauloraposo
            http://www.sirr-ecords.com

Sorry for possible x-post
A-taa





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not sure if it's planned for a release. to be sure you can contact marcus
maeder from the label domizil, who organized the transient travels project
together with jasch. here's his email: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx

http://www.domizil.ch

if anybody is interested here's the link to the transient travels website:

http://www.transienttravels.net

yours back, ralph.


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date: 30 oct 2004
subject: ZNC rand()%
artist: Peter Luining
description: ZNC rand()% is a automated html to ascii to color and sound
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special: ZNC rand()% was specially made for the random streaming net
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I decided to upload the second series of snapshots taken from a corrupted
MPEG copy of Blade Runner.
They are quite similar to the first set of pictures I took one month ago
though the colors and some patterns vary.
Naturally you can use them for the cover design of your next glitch album ;)
http://www.pachinkostudio.com/mugen/archives/000090.html

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Nik Pashenkov's Spinal Cat

.... a hardware/software interface for controlling
musical events on a computer using a set of
disk-jockey turntables and paper 'records' that
can be printed or drawn...

The good stuff:
http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/nik/projects_n.cgi?spinalcat&intro



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My personal view  and i do have tracks up there including stuff under my
name i didnt even write is that these people are like most of the music
business , parasites with little or no morality and looking to simply line
their own pockets and perpetuate there own dreams and desires at the expense
of others.I wouldnt sign to people like this even if they offered me a
million pounds  , you have to follow your heart dont you ?and not sell out ?
in an age when everybody is.I'll be interested to see who supports these
guys after the attitude and appraoch they took . . . . .

> jetgroove.com has posted a newsitem on their page with a response to
> this mess they have caused. unfortunately, their response does not
> contain an apology to the artists and labels they have upset.


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Hello,

Following my recent accident, doctors announced that i'm recovering faster than common time.
I would like to thank all of you who have shown support, sending warm friendly messages and good moments of distraction.

Today, music is coming out again.
A remix for the napolitan label Defrag is already available on the Diva EP, the original is from Jonas Bering.

Enjoy !

info: 

now:
jonas bering - diva ( bern edit) (dsp 005)  

futur:
bern - no more war - under nl 002  
various - bern - white bridge - thinner 070   
bern - just married - thinner  

www.dsprecs.com
www.underlinelabel.com  
www.thinnerism.com

gigs:

27 / 11 / 04 : dj @ kiosk . Lille with jonasbering,tez....
02 / 12 / 04 : Molair live ( tez + bern ) @ la condition publique . Roubaix with jay ,stabil,pitch visual 



www.bern-online.net
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our first return to our standard format broadcast brought us a first delving into the pile of sounds that have backing up over the past several months while we've been working on the framework:focus shows - we listened to several tracks for the exquisite new cd by john hudak and stephan mathieu on sirr|ecords - in fact, with two copies of the album, we blended several of the tracks together to create a denser compressed version.  this weaved in and out of recent work by mnortham from a split cdr that also features a collaboration between tbc and brume (we'll hear sounds form that portion of the disc next time), documentation of wind sculptures by french artists eric cordier and denis tricot, vlf recordings on homemade equipment by james dunn, and overseas sounds by quiet american and american sounds (all recorded in savannah, georgia) by local (to this island, anyway) mark vernon.

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this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 03.11.04, at 11:00am gmt 

(artist  /  title  /  album  /  label)

framework intro  /  keith de mendonca
an intro recorded in the rain reverberating off the scaffolding outside the artist's flat
http://www.dismbody.demon.co.uk/home.html

john hudak and stephan mathieu  /  01
                                                    winter garden  /  pieces of winter  /  sirr
these two tracks  created our first condensation from this album - the sounds for winter garden originate from snow falling on contact mics frozen into ice
http://www.sirr-ecords.com, http://www.johnhudak.net, http://www.bitsteam.de

mnortham  /  -  /  steps towards the hairy night  /  -
an initial textural whipping leads us into mnortham's trademark organic drones
http://www.radiantslab.com/mnortham

eric cordier / denis tricot  /  la conche  /  -  /  -
cordier teams up with french sculptor and artist tricot to create large wind sculptures and document their effects
http://www.kaon.org/eric_cordier, xxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx

james dunn  /  clearing in wood on mountaintop  /  vlf field recordings, cwm cowarch, wales  /  -
the first track of a disc of exceptionally diverse vlf (very low frequency) radio recordings taken on a homemade receiver - more of these to come
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quiet american  /  prelude: uxo
                          resonance  /  rockets of the mekong  /  grain of sound
a raw recording of the resonance of some cavernous location followed by a floating composition of repeating tones
http://www.grainofsound.com, http://www.quietamerican.org

mark vernon  /  grapefruit crush  /  13th colony sound  /  meagre resource
and to wake us up - cutting up grapefruit, squeezing oranges, waste disposal unit, and monster trucks at the oglethorpe speedway park
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john hudak and stephan mathieu  /  04
                                                    05
                                                    nuit blanche  /  pieces of winter  /  sirr
another condensation of three very different tonal tracks derived from highly manipulated field and instrumental recordings
http://www.sirr-ecords.com, http://www.johnhudak.net, http://www.bitsteam.de

mark vernon  /  wake up call  /  13th colony sound  /  meagre resource
extraordinary woodpecker recordings, pneumatic drills, and roadworks in habersham street, savannah, ga
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framework intro submissions:

1)    take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice
2)    record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you -
3)    read the following text:

welcome to framework.

framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition.
field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen!

4)    continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking
5)    send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email

thanks!



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the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia.  drop in here to have a look:

http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php


framework 2003
resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting

rob grant & melanie clifford  /  framework intro
thomas dimuzio  /  unearth & lift and spear  /  sonicism  /  rrrecords
chris watson  /  river mara at night   /  stepping into the dark  /  touch
johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux
toy bizarre  /  -  /  kdi dctb 116  /  absurd
murmer  /  liquid solid  /  definition  /  absurd
jgrzinich & seth nehil  /  the distant edge  /  confluence  /  intransitive
seth nehil & jgrzinich  /  the mirrored corner  /  stria  /  erewhon
annette lissauer  /  framework intro
toby paddock  /  air, surface and magnetic vibrations  /  -  /  -
steve roden  /  -  /  resonant cities  /  trente oiseaux
francisco lopez  /  untitled #101  /  untitled (2000)  /  ignis projekt
mnortham  /  ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta  /  phonography.org 5  /  phonography.org
the quiet american  /  donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal  /  phonography.org 4  /  phonography.org
steve barsotti  /  trainyard presence  /  phonography.org 5  /  phonography.org
k. m. krebs  /  jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan)  /  phonography.org 4  /  phonography.org
david daniell  /  highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm  /  sem  /  antiopic
joyce hinterding  /  -  /  spectral  /  antiopic/sigma editions
david daniell  /  dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am  /  sem  /  antiopic
tacet ncv  /  live on framework
jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler  /  live on framework
dallas simpson  /  framework intro
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IMPROVISING TRIO DECISION DREAM LIVE ON  RESONANCE 104.4FM, NOON-1PM GMT

On Saturday November 27th Decision Dream will perform live in the 
studio on Resonance FM. The group is: Magnus Alexanderson 
(http://www.magnusalexanderson.com/nav.html ) on guitar, Tony Bianco 
(http://www.emanemdisc.com/E4104.html ) on drums and Jair-Rohm Parker 
Wells (http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw) on electric double bass. 
Decision Dream combines psychedelic electronics with spontaneous 
textural composition. Watch this list for release information for 
their forthcoming CD "Steamroom Variations".

If you happen to be in London on that evening, tune in to 104.4fm on 
your radio dial. If not, go to
http://www.resonancefm.com for live streaming audio.

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This Thursday the 4th of November, Uber_Lingua celebrates it's 34th week at
St Jeromes and features 3 special guests!

First guest is FSB from Bulgaria, a wild child who's played regularly at
several clubs on the Black Sea coast as a resident... like Dracula, Sea
Station, Festival Complex, club Boonkers in his home-town of Varna, and
Astoria at a place known as Golden Sands.

FSB is on a journey to find new sound experiences thru Djing in the southern
Hemisphere. For three years he escape the comfort and worked in Southern
Africa (Zimbabwe to be exact) and now finds himself travelling thru
Australia and doing spontaneous DJ sets...

Our second special guest is a late edition to the lineup. A DJ known as
Jools, has recently landed from Cape Town and is part of the Fong Kong Bantu
Sound System and runs the the Liberation Chabalala production house. He's
also a writer and has a regular column as part of  http://www.afribeat.com
.... In his record collection he's got Hip-hop in "Gamtaal" Afrikaans, and
hip-hop & kwaito in S'camto (which is a street blend of English, Afrikaans,
Sotho, Isixhosa)... he plays early-ish and should be pretty mad!

Lastly we play host to BETE studio launching their first zine... 'Bete
Studio' are a group of seven artists who work from a space located in little
La Trobe street. With the help of an RMIT Union Arts grant, they have
produced a zine which collectively maps their working space, using the idea
of the site specific as the subject of the work.

oh, and lets not forget the regular stuff from SS, Raysles and bP,
Uber_Lingua's resident selectors...

WHEN: Thursdays from 7pm
LOCATION: 7 Caledonian Lane, Melbourne CBD
(between little bourke and lonsdale, directly behind the lounge)... 
ENTRY: Free of charge always...

find out more and listen to the free mp3 downloads at
http://www.uberlingua.com

Send demos to Uber_Lingua PO Box 2613 Fitzroy 3065 Australia

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Declaration
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Preface:

Indymedia is a global media network that provides open space to
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> Have to admit that the word regional fit badly in the continental 
> context...
> but that probably was not your concern/confusion.

the word 'regional' (at least in English) means local to a particular 
area...

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Regional \Re"gion*al\ (-al), a.
    Of or pertaining to a particular region; sectional.

WordNet (r) 2.0
regional
      adj 1: characteristic of a region; "regional flora"
      2: related or limited to a particular region; "a regional
         dialect"

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so what might be a good idea is to make sub-pages for cities...for 
example: Europe/Berlin/record shops...or America/San 
Francisco/clubs...or Europe/Amsterdam/venues...etc...this way when 
someone says: 'hey, I'm going to be in Blumberg, North Dakota can 
someone recommend a good place to buy micro-disco records?' they can go 
to the America/North Dakota page and check for cool record stores...
so if you start entering info please make a new link on the region page 
to a new city page (which you will have to make of course)...
sound like a plan?
KIM
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    greetings microsounders,


Up here in Montreal, Canada, we'll be playing the following game along with
several ex-pat US-ers, a few weirdos, artists, musicians, drunkards, freaks
and ne'er do'wells known as the "Souper" clan (a Tuesday salon here in the
North) -- and a stash of Southern Comfort, over ice, in honour of HST, who
says that Kerry is going to win ( check it:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575?rnd=1099411860385&ha
s-player=true     )

The following comes from (stolen, really) Souper clan host and Spock Camp
nut of thee Burning Man, Mr. Bad:

    -- 
Mr. Bad                          .O.
http://bad.dynu.ca/~evan/       ..O


cheers, tV

========


        ==== 2004 ELECTION NIGHT DRINKING GAME: MANDATORY ===


OK, so, I don't know a lot of drinking games, but here's my best shot:


[1.] One sip of preferred beverage every time:

- Any of the following words is used  :

"economy" "values" "character" "live coverage" "Decision 2004" "debate" "war
record" "leadership" "Iraq" "running mate" "red state" "blue state" "exit
poll" "precinct""reporting"

- We see any of the following people on the screen:

George W. Bush John F. Kerry
We see an American flag
We see an info-graphic based on a state-by-state map of the USA
We see polling information for "likely voters"
 


[2.] One gulp every time:

We cut away to a reporter at some pointless "live coverage" scene (outside
the Supreme Court, on the street in Miami, wherever)
Someone points out that it's electoral college votes, and not the popular
vote, that decides the election
Any reference is made to 2000 presidential election

- The following words are used  :

"too close to call" "Florida" "chad" "Constitution" "tragic events of
September 11th" "Massachusetts" "Texas" "Red Sox" "sluggish recovery"
"health care" "battleground" "Ohio" "Pennsylvania" "weapons of mass
destruction" "stem cell research" "the American electorate" "tax cuts for
the wealthy" "health care reform" "activate the party base" "The Internet"
"American troops" "United Nations"

- We see any of the following people on the screen:

John Edwards Dick Cheney Laura Bush Teresa Heinz-Kerry
Any images of 9/11 
Any gratuitous computer-generated animation
 


[3.] One shot of hard alcohol every time:

- We see any of the following people on the screen:

Anyone's mother
Any of the hot Kerry daughters
Any of the hot Bush daughters
Bill Clinton Al Sharpton Ralph Nader Bruce Springsteen
Arnold Schwartzenegger Michael Moore Walter Mondale Jimmy Carter

We cut away to a reporter at an empty "victory party" with bored people
standing around, or no one at all

We see white people dancing badly and clapping off-beat to black music

- We hear any of the following words  :

"Enron" "Tora Bora" "Muqtada al-Sadr" "Kim Il-Jung" "Fallujah" "elusive"
"squander" "Coalition of the Willing" "butterfly ballot" "Ronald Reagan"
"New York firefighters"

The reporting staff refers to how many Presidential election nights they've
covered together  
 


[4.] Two shots of hard alcohol if:

- The following words are used  :

"David Cobb" "Michael Badnarik" "Canada" "socialism" "My Pet Goat" "Mad cow
disease" 

- We see the following people on-screen:

Eminem Al Gore Noam Chomsky Jacques Chirac Gerald Ford
Yasser Arafat dies 
William Rehnquist dies
Fidel Castro dies 
Osama bin Laden is captured
Saddam Hussein escapes



 
~ESP


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*** grassroots/underground web-radio election night
broadcasts in the u.s. ***

** august sound coalition (anoise during the RNC) **
http://radio.socialtechnology.net
We will be intercutting with the following streams, as
well as doing live interviews, commentary and
pre-recorded material all night from the Funhouse in
Williamsburg, Brooklyn

from portland, oregan 
portland indymedia webcast
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/static/pdxradio.shtml

from michigan
michigan imc
http://www.michiganimc.org/

from upstate ny, with call-ins to Hawaii, Florida and
more
Free103 Point Nine Transmission Arts
www.free103point9.org


also check the new U.S. indymedia site
http://indymedia.us/en/

(for folks outside of the u.s.a -- if it wasn't for
alternative/grassroots media there wouldn't be much
truth getting out there in the u.s. media per se.
'corporate' media is real, real
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3rd Annual San Francisco Found Objects Festival

Artists from different approaches of experimental
music improvisation (acoustic, electronic, noise,
ambient, free-jazz, etc) will perform using sounds
from a pool of objects submitted by the audience.
Please bring something from home for the artists to
smack, rub together, shake, squeak, sample and
process.

Thursday, Nov 4 2004 8:00 PM
Luggage Store Gallery New Music Series
1007 Market St. (near 6th Street)
San Francisco

Kristin Miltner
Joe Balestreri
Chris Cohn
Peter Nyboer


Friday, Nov 5 2004 8:30 PM
964 Natoma St. (Near Mission & 10th)
San Francisco

The Noodles
Joshua Churchill
Garth Powell
Justino
Andrew Wilhausen

Each night $6-10 sliding scale.


Related links: 

Thursday at Luggage Store: 
http://www.bayimproviser.com/calendar.asp?FromPage=CalendarSummary&summary=false&event_id=3749

Friday at 964 Natoma: 
http://www.bayimproviser.com/calendar.asp?FromPage=CalendarSummary&summary=false&event_id=3833

Peter Nyboer: www.yowstar.com
Joe Balesteri: www.metaman.us
Kristin Miltner:
http://www.paxrecordings.com/Artists/miba.html
Andrew Wilshusen:
www.bayimproviser.com/andrewwilshusen
Justino: www.anihilo.com
Garth Powell: www.bayimproviser/garthpowell
Joshua G Churchill: www.joshuachurchill.com
The Noodles: http://zoka.com/noodles

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Triangelick Trepanations
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Saturday 6th November
@ Living Room, Turku, Finland

SQUIDRAW (Fra/Bos/Fin)
The power trio of Ibrahim Terzic, Antoine Verhaverbeke and Frederick 
Arana! Verhaverbeke treats his guitar in very concrete ways, and Terzic 
& Arana sample and mangle the sound on the fly. Prepare your ears for a 
dynamic sonic assault!

COSINE NOMINE (Fin)
Sine Nomine goes off tangent to reveal his darker side. The clean, 
floating ambient soundscapes remain but the more new-agey elements give 
room for some Things monstrous to enter.

SKORP-I-OVRO (Fin)
Ovro & Niko Skorpio live improvisation duo that may turn out calm & 
atmospheric or furious & unsettling. Perhaps both! Probably also special 
solo sets from both artists if circumstances allow.

+ album release party:
Ovro & Niko Skorpio : Live in Placard #7 CD
is out now and it's time to celebrate!

Tickets 3 EUR. Showtime 18-23. No bar.
Living Room info: http://www.someplaceelse.net/livingroom/
As usual, Some Place Else record shop is open as well.

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ENViRON : unpredictable aesthetics
SUNDAY NOVEMBER 7th : 7PM TIL LATE : $5
LOOP : 23 Meyers Place Melb CBD

Environ is the monthly event in Melbourne where artists and musicians from
the many walks of the scene get together to form unprecedented
collaborations with wildly varied outcomes, in front of an audience.
Electronics has met psychobilly, dub mixing has met optical art, and jazz
brass has met Indian tabla... the sixth night on November 7th is set to push
the tangent even further.

For a limited time, free MP3 tracks from the artists involved in this
episode can be heard at http://www.environline.net

Direct from his tour of Vietnam, DJ Bags (AKA Alan Bamford) makes his
comeback performance. Also, Dubwise returns from his responsibilities at the
Newcastle 'This Is Not Art' festival to play his wild selection of quality
dubs... Once again, the internationally renowned paintings and digital work
of John Aslanidis will be exhibited in the backspace.

Involved in the Talula performance end of things is Bec Cole, a vocalist of
varying styles who experiments with processing techniques and is better
known for her work developing art concepts for the disabled. She's working
with Melbourne post-techno come Hip Hop and break beats producer Isnod, well
known for his releases on the 'if' record label and recent sets at the
Northcote community festival. Also part of this four way mash is SBS radio
presenter & Bulgarian Sound Engineer Viktor Markov and Lindsay Cox, a
Medical Photographer come Video artist, who recently returned from Taipei.

The second Talula is Clan Analogue founder Brendan Palmer, coming out from
behind the mixing desk and out front with a pile of ancient keyboards.
Re-discovering the electrical mother-synths that got him into electronic
music in the first place, Brendan works with Tony Woods, a 60 something
experimental filmmaker, 35mm slide and field recording collage artist. Also
collaborating with these two is Ben 'Shamen' Skepper an emerging Cello
player with half-Japanese origins who has been described as 'quite
passionate with the cello' by his peers, and environ stalwart Mik laVage
who'll be mixing (with great creativity) this found sound meets analogue
meets cello set... 

Through combining the creative energies of many types of innovative artist,
environ events tend to have a certain electricity about them. People of many
backgrounds and generations come to experience something quite familiar, yet
obscure in approach. The Audience is at the centre of the action with
performers occupying the various corners of the Loop Venue, and this allows
for those sitting within the space to actually have a strong contribution to
the art being created... spontaneously...

Artist Bios and audio can be found at http://www.environline.net

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hi,

are there any scots on the list? i've just moved to
aberdeen scotland and am trying to stir up a scene
here...i've managed to get one night a month dedicated
to experimental music at the student union, and i'm
playing a few shows around town.  i'd love to meet
others in the area into a similar aesthetic and maybe
host a larger event.  i've met a couple in town
already.

feel free to email me directly at
xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx...

and more info on those events can be found in the news
section of my website (click on the event)...
www.billthompson.org

thanx,

b.


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On 3/11/04 6:07 am, "xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx" <xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote:

> does anyone know of any magazines that review noise.........i need a review of
> my demo
> -t

In the UK...

The Wire - obviously

A nice outsider is Robots and Electronic Brains Fanzine
http://www.come.to/robots

Or you can always send stuff to me Sonic Arts Network for a possible review
in Diffusion, our fortnightly eletter

Zero Tolerance magazine as well www.zero-tolerance.co.uk but their site
seems to be down at the moment

Good luck

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Yeah www.dogmanet.org i write some of the music
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you can also send it to Cut-Up, a new magazine for media culture in the
Netherlands: www.cut-up.com

all the best,
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> RadioWORM is (always) looking for contributors!
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any of the people who were interested in submitting papers to the TWiki 
site
<http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/NoiseText>
regarding noise please contact me or Jon and let us know when we can 
expect updates to the TWiki site?
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hello david and others

well if you check the audiofiles (f.i. radioworm) on wormstation you may
notice that we're interested in progressive or better say experimental
elektronik or elektro accoustic music, soundart, noise. in most cases we
receive original/not yet published material from artists all over the world,
who often can be heard playing live at our venue.
we also host live-studio projects, and streaming projects.

its hard to pin it down on style, as long as its attempting to be original
and with certain quality of course. to give an example projects like the
microsound/parasite f.i. could well have been a wormstation project.
if possible or appropriate we do specialized issues, in general we like
to mix all kinds of styles


formats; mp3, aiff, downloads or sent to us by cd-r




henk 










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> Van: David Newman <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx>
> Beantwoord: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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> Onderwerp: Re: [microsound] contributers wanted
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> What kind of contributions are you looking for... tell us more
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> David @ Audiobulb
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> 
>> RadioWORM is (always) looking for contributors!
>> 
>> general info on WORM (rotterdam) www.wormweb.nl
>> sounds/music/info on www.wormstation.nl
>> 
>> info on RadioWORM: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx or xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx
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>> WORM - henk b
>> po box 25045
>> 3001 HA Rotterdam
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has anyone checked out XO Wave on OSX?
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somebody on the list wanted to know if the tracks for the transient travels
project by florian hecker will be released...

well i've just received a newsletter by domizil:

"a compilation of Transient Travels will be released on domizil in december
2004"

http://www.domizil.ch

seems like they will be released.
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>has anyone checked out XO Wave on OSX?
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The return of the JIFFY-SCUTTLER!
Blevin Blectum "Magic Maple" Release Party!
with
Blevin Blectum (Praemedia, Deluxe)
Wobbly (Tigerbeat6, Phthalo)
Roddy Schrock
DJ Miso (333 recordings)

Wednesday, November 3, 2004
Rickshaw Stop, San Francisco
155 Fell b/w VanNess and Franklin.
http://www.rickshawstop.com/
Doors 8:30, Show 9:30
cover: 5$

JIFFY-SCUTTLER returns! at the Rickshaw Stop!
Jiffy-Scuttler -- electronic music for today,
tonight and all of your special tomorrows!
(co-curated by Lance Grabmiller, J Lesser, Blevin Blectum and Sean 
Rooney)
http://jiffyscuttler.praemedia.com/

BLEVIN BLECTUM: Praemedia is pleased to announce "MAGIC MAPLE", the 
third solo release by one Blevin Blectum (formerly half of digital duo 
Blectum from Blechdom, currently a member of the multitudinous 
multimediated SAGAN).  Electronic musics. The album picks up where the 
acclaimed "Talon Slalom" (Deluxe records) left off. Prog-rockish 
fantasy gone wrong hallucinatory sonic Hat head-phuck.
http://blevin.LSR1.com
http://www.praemedia.com

WOBBLY: Wobbly is a multi-talented artist who excels in music, 
painting, singing, writing, dancing and even woodworking. Once dubbed 
"Mr. High on Life", his colorful high energy is like electricity as it 
provokes intense emotion in his audience.
http://detritus.net/wobbly/

RODDY SCHROCK: Roddy Schrock is a sound artist whose work has ranged 
from tightly composed acoustic music to site-specific theater to 
electronic music: he now works nearly exclusively in electronic music. 
He creates visceral yet luxuriating sound environments for digitally 
immersed audiences. They are 2 parts sonic dada, 2 parts meditative 
sound space, and 1 part pop.
http://www.thing.net/~roddys/

DJ MISO: Label boss of 333recordings, taste-(mixer-upper)-maker, 
Oakland-based Miso delivers the sounds of today tomorrow and 
tuesday-next.
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>
> Dear Artist and Label
>
> Welcome to the radio program Whynot Jazz on Toronto's CKLN FM 88.1. 
> Heard Every Wednesday Morning from 7am-11am est, 1pm thru most of 
> Europe and noon in the UK. Available around the world at:
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> Here is the playlist from the last Whynot Jazz Program. Please note 
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> Why Not?
> 2004/10/20
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> Natsuki Tamura Quartet
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> Koch Schutz Studer
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> Sture Ericson
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> Free Jazz
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> Ken Aldcroft Group
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> Anthony Braxton
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> Knyaz Mishkin
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> Fe-Mail
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> Important Records
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> Albert
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> Henrik Strindberg
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>
> Your support is necessary in keeping this voice for the music current. 
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Given all the bad publicity about jetgroove here as of late, I'm wondering 
how people feel about eMusic (www.emusic.com). Any thoughts from label 
owners or just listeners on these guys?

I can't remember if I asked this onlist already.

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Hey,

Anyone know how to join a sequence of mp3's into one large mp3 on OS X? 
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CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 03-11-04

01. SAWTOOTH
Track: Space Freight
Album: Cellulloid Dreams
Label: Incidental

Abrimos el programa de esta semana desde Bristol, en
el Reino Unido, con Sawtooth, un trío que comenzó a
trabajar en el estudio a finales del pasado año sobre
improvisaciones, no sólo musicales sino también
visuales, lo que da un carácter marcadamente
cinemático a este disco, Celluloid Dreams, compuesto
con sintes analógicos, flauta, sitar, trompeta,
grabaciones de campo y percusión

This week's opening from Bristol, UK, with Sawtooth, a
trio that began working in the studio at the end of
last year over some improvisations, not only musical
but also visual, what gives a markedly cinematic
character to this cd, Celluloid Dreams, made up with
analogical sintes, flute, sitar, trumpet, field
recordings and percussion

02. ROBERT HENKE
Track: Signal To Noise I
Album: Signal To Noise
Label: Imbalance

Robert Henke, a quien conocemos por sus trabajos al
frente del proyecto Monolake, recientemente ha editado
un nuevo disco bajo su propio nombre, un álbum grabado
en Berlín en mayo de este año durante un período
climatológicamente tormentoso en la capital alemana,
lo que parece haber influido en gran medida este
trabajo, compuesto casi íntegramente a partir de un
sintetizador FM con una peculiar modulación tímbrica,
a la que se añade un procesado posterior

Robert Henke, who we know for his works for the
Monolake project, has recently released a new album
under his own name, an album recorded in Berlin in May
of this year, during a climatologically stormy period
in the German capital, what seems to have influenced
in great measure this work, compound almost entirely
starting from a FM synthesizer with a peculiar timbric
modulation, to which some digital process are added
later

03. PLUMB & PLUMBER
Track: Located
Album: Come Early Go Late
Label: Alg-a

El vigués Jesús Valle Pazos, artista plástico y músico
desde los 16 años, hace dos inició el proyecto Plumb
and Plumber. Este es uno de los cortes incluídos en la
introspectiva colección "Come Early Go Late", editada
a través del netlabel gallego Alg-a

Jesus Valle Pazos, from Vigo, plastic artist and
musician from his 16, two years ago began the Plumb
and Plumber project. This is one of the tracks
included in the introspective collection "Come Early
Go Late", released by the Galician netlabel Alg-a

04. KENNETH KIRSCHNER
Track: May 3, 1997
Album: May 3, 1997
Label: Autoplate

Nos detenemos ahora en las últimas novedades de otro
sello que trabaja por internet, Autoplate. La música
del norteamericano Kenneth Kirschner, que continúa en
la misma línea de trabajo procesando sonidos de piano
desde que hace unos años editara sus más conocidos
trabajos en este sentido en los sellos Sub Rosa y 12k,
con la inestimable ayuda de Taylor Deupree

Last novelties of another label working through
internet, Autoplate. The music of the North American
Kenneth Kirschner, continuing the same work line,
processing piano sounds, since the release some years
ago of his better known works in this field, by the
Sub Rosa and 12k labels, with Taylor Deupree's help

05. NORMAL MUSIC
Track: Machines Startle Me With Great Frequence
Album: Let’s Do Really Strange Things And Call Them
Normal
Label: Autoplate

Uno de los cortes incluídos en el último disco en
Autoplate del proyecto Normal Music, formado por Jeff
Surak del sello Zeromoon, Thomas Ekelund y Rafael
Irisarri

One of the tracks included in the last work in
Autoplate of the Normal Music project, formed by Jeff
Surak of the Zeromoon label, Thomas Ekelund and Rafael
Irisarri

06. EDIT
Track: Laundry
Album: Crying Over Pros For No Reason
Label: Planet Mu

Continuamos con otro par de novedades en este caso
desde el sello creado en 1995 por Mike Paradinas,
M-ziq: Planet Mu, en el que está centrando sus
esfuerzos en los últimos tiempos; esfuerzos
recompensados en ocasiones con trabajos como este del
músico californiano Edward Ma, Edit, que llega desde
Los Angeles con otra incesante dosis de guitarras
acústicas procesadas

We continue with some more novelties, in this case
from the label created in 1995 by Mike Paradinas,
M-ziq: Planet Mu, in which he is centering his efforts
in the last times; Efforts rewarded in occasions with
works like this by the Californian musician Edward Ma,
Edit, that arrives from Los Angeles with another
incessant dose of processed acoustic guitars

07. JULIAN FANE
Track: Sea Island
Album: Special Forces
Label: Planet Mu

Esta es la segunda novedad de Planet Mu para la sesión
de esta semana, en este caso a cargo del canadiense
Julian Fane, desde Vancouver, un joven talento que ha
pasado en sólo unos meses de vender títulos bursátiles
a convertirse en el discípulo predilecto de Mike
Paradinas

This is Planet Mu's second new release for this week's
session, in this case by the Canadian Julian Fane,
from Vancouver, a young talent that has turned in just
a few months from selling stock titles to become Mike
Paradinas's favourite pupil

08. MOKIRA
Track: Hässleholm
Album: FFT POP
Label: Cubic Fabric

Cuarto álbum del sueco Andreas Tilliander bajo su
pseudónimo Mokira, un trabajo sin duda más melódico
que los anteriores, que incluye importantes dosis de
glitch, colaboraciones femeninas en la voz (como la de
Naoko Sasaki, de Piana) e incluso emisiones de radio,
todo bajo un mantón épico y comprimido en menos de 40
minutos. Edita el sello japonés Cubic Fabric, dirigido
por Keiichi Sugimoto, de Fonica, Minamo o Fourcolor

Fourth album by the Swedish Andreas Tilliander under
his Mokira moniker, a more melodic work than his
previous ones that includes important glitch doses,
femenine collaborations in the voice (with Naoko
Sasaki, of Piana) and even radio emissions, all under
an epic shawl and compressed in less than 40 minutes.
Released by the Japanese label Cubic Fabric, directed
by Keiichi Sugimoto, of Fonica, Minamo and Fourcolor

09. MICHAEL J. SCHUMACHER
Track: Room Pieces New York
Album: Stories
Label: Quecksilber

Último trabajo del compositor nacido en Washington DC
Michael J. Schumacher, un neoyorkino de adopción que
obtuvo muy buenas críticas tras su "Room Pieces",
editado el año pasado de la mano de Phil Niblock a
través de su sello XI. Su retorno, esta vez en
Quecksilber, es una obra dividida en 4 piezas titulada
"Stories"

Last work of the composer Michael J. Schumacher, an
adoption New Yorker that obtained the critical acclaim
after his "Room Pieces", released last year in Phil
Niblock's imprint: XI. His return, this time in
Quecksilber, is a work titled "Stories" divided in 4
pieces

10. MAJA RATJKE AND JAAP BLONK
Track: Oslo 1
Album: Ratkje & Blonk
Label: Kontrans

Colaboración entre la noruega Maja Ratjke y el
holandés Jaap Blonk, ambos utilizando únicamente, y de
un modo muy peculiar, sus propias voces, a lo largo de
18 improvisaciones a dúo que han venido grabando
interrumpidamente a caballo entre Amsterdam y Arnhem,
en Holanda, y Oslo, en Noruega, desde el año 2001

Collaboration between the Norwegian Maja Ratjke and
the Dutch Jaap Blonk, both using only, and in a very
peculiar way, its own voices, along 18 duo
improvisations that they have offly recorded between
Amsterdam and Arnhem, in Holland, and Oslo, in Norway,
from the year 2001

11. FRANK ELTING
Track: Spoken Word
Album: VA- Clicks & Cuts 4
Label: Mille Plateaux

Uno de los cortes que componen la cuarta entrega de
uno de los recopilatorios más famosos de los últimos
años en el panorama de la música electrónica digital
en general y del diseño de sonido en particular, el
Clicks & Cuts de Mille Plateaux, que en esta ocasión
incluye cortes a cargo de artistas como Ran Slavin,
Eight Frozen Modules, Thomas Brinkmann, Bizz Circuits
o el alemán Frank Elting, con quien cerramos la sesión
de hoy

One of the tracks that compose the fourth delivery of
one of the most popular samplers over the last years
in the digital electronic music panorama, in general,
and the sound design in particular: the Clicks & Cuts
of Mille Plateaux, including in this occasion tracks
by artists like Ran Slavin, Eight Frozen Modulates,
Thomas Brinkmann, Bizz Circuits or the Frankfurter
Frank Elting, with who we close today's session

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i am interested too!

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> Anyone know how to join a sequence of mp3's into one large mp3 on OS X?
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Hi all,

Low tech method but works for me on linux.
This is presuming you don't have any meta data (id3tag) in the mp3's.

Open up the osx terminal. And type:

cat mp3file1.mp3 >combined.mp3
cat mp3file2.mp3 >>combined.mp3
cat mp3file3.mp3 >>combined.mp3
cat mp3file4.mp3 >>combined.mp3

replacing the file names with your own of course :)
for thos who aren't command line friendly please note that the number of 
 > is important.
The first line bascaly says copy mp3file1.mp3 to combined.mp3
The second line says copy mp3file2.mp3 on to the end of combined.mp3

hope this helps

....steve...



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>i am interested too!
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Hi all,
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:12, xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Low tech method but works for me on linux.
> This is presuming you don't have any meta data (id3tag) in the mp3's.
which you can strip using id3v2 or id3lib
http://id3v2.sourceforge.net/
http://id3lib.sourceforge.net/

(you will probably need the developer tools to compile those, unless you 
find somebody who)
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> Open up the osx terminal. And type:
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> cat mp3file2.mp3 >>combined.mp3
> cat mp3file3.mp3 >>combined.mp3
> cat mp3file4.mp3 >>combined.mp3
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So you would have to type:
"id3v2 -D mp3file1.mp3" before each of the lines above (obviously 
replacing mp3file1.mp3 with the corresponding file name).

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PRESS RELEASE:

On Nov 6th 2004 at the Casa del Popolo in Montreal Noise Factory Records
will be holding a label night and CD release for NAWs newest album "green
nights orange days." Playing this night will also be two new Noise Factory
Artists HEXES & OHS - and our most recent signing NYBBL

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SATURDAY NOVEMBER 6 2004

Noise Factory Records and CKUT brings you a night of free live music

featuring live performances by:

NAW - freshly back from his european debut, NAW will launch his newest
noise factory cd "green nights orange days" with live versions of his own
take on post electronic dance  music from both his noise factory releases
as well as some new ones never heard before, you never really know what to
expect from a live set by this artist.

also appearing on this special night 2 of Noise Factory Records newest
signings:

HEXES & OHS - former members of: a vertical mosaic, show off their newest
electro-pop tuneage from their up coming noise factory release.

NYBBL - rochester NYs own 8 bit IDM rocker makes his debut north of the
border as a noise factory artist.

and rounding out the nights entertainment

KHANFUCIUS the mp3 dj selector for the night, will be helping to keep the
party going before, after and in between the live musical acts for the
evening

DELRAY a recent transpant from San Fransico to Canada will be providing
the visual stimulation for the night. You'll enjoy beautifully obliterated
imagery delivered via his own custom software.

when:
SATURDAY NOVEMBER 6 2004
where:
CASA DEL POPOLO,
4873 St-Laurent
time: 9pm
how much:  FREE

for more info visit: http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com
contact xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx  or xxx@xxxxxx.xxx
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PRESS RELEASE

Noise Factory Records brings you another fine evening, showcasing some of
its up coming releases for 2004 and 2005. These label showcases the second
for Montreal is designed  to act as a sampling of the diverse sounding
talent this Canadian mainstay of a label has to offer.  Each of these
label events is an assembly of some of the labels most interesting and
newest offerings its artists have to offer, all working to create an
Immersive deep listening experience. The evening will feature the release
of the latest offering from label alumni artist: NAW called "green nights
orange days". Over 2 years in the making the new NAW cd will be officially
released on this special night. freshly back from his european debut, NAW
will launch his newest noise factory cd with live versions of his own take
on post-electronic dance  music. Performing  a sampling from both his
noise factory releases as well as some new never heard before material,
you never really know what to expect from a live set by this artist. Also
appearing will be 2 of Noise Factory Records newest signings:  HEXES & OHS
former members of: a vertical mosaic, show off their newest electro-pop
tuneage from their up coming 2005 noise factory release and NYBBL,
Rochester NYs own 8 bit IDM rocker makes his debut north of the border as
a noise factory artist and promises to help get the nights festivities
going with some deep introspective material.  Rounding out the nights
entertainment will be none other then KHANFUCIUS the mp3 dj selector for
the night, who will be helping to keep the party going before, after and
in between the live musical acts for the evening with his own brand of IDM
left of centre sounds. San Fransicos very own DELRAY will be providing the
visual stimulation for the night, using his own self developed software
for video manipulation DELRAY will present his beautifully obliterated
imagery through out the night.

BIOS/INFO

NOISE FACTORY RECORDS
http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com
Taken from various interviews with Joe English, Noise Factory Records the
man behind the label:  "All roads lead back to Joy Division. They were the
most influential band during my teen years. From that point, everything
else fell into place. At one point I was so into electronic industrial
music that I began adopting the anti-guitar philosophy of Test Department.
That didnt last long. The next major influence came with David Sylvians
Secrets of the Beehive. I suppose these two musical styles represent the
scope of what would become Noise Factory Records. As for the Noise
Factory, it began as a college radio show on CHRY during the early 90s.
The show played mainly industrial, electronic and ambient music. We had a
couple of parties under the Noise Factory moniker, but once we graduated
university it all kind of ended. Life began to play its cruel little game.
I got a job at IBM and hated every day. So I started the label in 1996. I
knew nothing about running a label, and I had no contacts but I had a good
friend that was in a band, and wanted to put out an album. It made sense
at the time and it still makes sense."
"The Noise Factory is not made up of musicians or former record
executives. The Noise Factory came into existence out of a need and desire
for something new. We truly believe the music we represent is some of the
most wonderful and beautiful music currently being made. Unlike many indie
labels we offer a different viewpoint, one of the music lover and
consumer."

NAW
www.noisefactoryrecords.com
montreal native neil wiernik began his explorations in electronic music
making as early as 1988. known to push the boundaries of his musical form,
naws music is a blend of sound manipulation/design, experimental music and
dub-tech rhythms, which on the surface sound quite simple, but incorporate
a number of touches that steer this artist away from being simply another
minimal techno or experimental laptop artist. he combines post-house,
dubby minimal techno, microsound and thick ambience, to create his own
version of deep techno, house and other electronic laptop oriented musics.
neil has released music on various national and international record
labels, including up coming releases in 2004 on clever-music, worthy
records and his follow up full length to his 2002 noise factory release
called green nights orange days due out october 2004 and will include
tours to co-enside with this release in canada and europe in
october/november
and through out 2005.

HEXES & OHS
http://www.averticalmosaic.ca
Oh no, not another "couple" band! Yes, they are a couple, but they dont
sing about being a couple. In fact, the former "a vertical mosaic" twosome
Heidi Donnelly and Edmund Lam have played in bands together for so long
that
that kind of thing would have gotten old pretty quick. Instead they sing
about alienation and despair, with the occasional tongue-in-cheek
optimism,
accompanied by synths, sequencers and guitars. They look up to bands like
New Order, Simon & Garfunkel, the Velvet Underground, Stereolab and
Tortoise. They end up sounding more like: the Postal Service, the Pet Shop
Boys and Belle and Sebastian. Their brooding, infectious and
dance-inducing new album will be out on Noise Factory Records Spring 2005.
You'll dance and you'll cry.

NYBBL
http://www.nybbl.com
Combining sweet melodies, pulsating rhythms, field samples, and textures
culled from the world around us, nybbl interjects sweat and emotion into
the sterile landscape of digital music.  Essentially a guitarist who was
courted by electronic music over the course of many years, nybbl attempts
to look past the accepted forms and genres of electronic music to a
boundaryless expression of heart and sound.

KHANFUCIUS
http://www.panospria.com
Local mixologist Khanfucius, has been providing various events in
Montreal, Winnipeg and Dublin, Ireland with a seamless blend of
IDM/ambient soundscapes and experimental music since 1996.


DELRAY
rx-tx, Reflective
newly transplanted to Montreal from San Francisco, spends most
of his time honing his video work and staying out of the cold.  You'll
enjoy beautifully obliterated imagery delivered via his own custom
software. His performances have recently been featured at various
venues such as ISEA04, Nuspirit Helsinki, Nuit Blanche, and La Batie
Geneva to name just a few.



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Can anyone direct me towards interesting microsound-related live 
performances (recordings of them, anyway). In particular, works that 
don't easily fit into traditional kinds of dance music or 
electroacoustic music performance arrangements....

Offlist replies are fine.

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i had the same request a few months ago;
here´s the essence:  
check this first:
http://uhfest.underground.hu/

http://rla.web.fm
http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com
http://www.punck.net/ctrlaltcanc/ctrl01mugen.html
http://www.pachinkostudio.com/mugen/archives/000022.html

best 
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Selections from the various Umatic artists:

___UMA01_MOIRA
http://www.umatic.nl/label_release01.html

Live-recordings from ImprovSession [March 5 2004, Moira, NL]
Featuring: 87Central [US/NL] Bas van Koolwijk [NL] Christian Toonk [NL] 
Yannick Dauby [FR]

___PSYCHONAVIGATORS
http://umatic.nl/mp3/umatic-psychonavigators.mp3 [27.9 Mb]

 From an audiovisual performance by Derek Holzer, Christian Toonk and 
Bas van Koolwijk

___THECODEISWORKING
Video: http://umatic.nl/code.mov [88 Mb]
Audio: http://umatic.nl/audio/derek_holzer-the_code_is_working.mp3 [6.8 Mb]
Live audiovisual performance demo by Sara Kolster and Derek Holzer

___KOSTA
Edits of live improvisations featuring Oloolo [LV], Derek Holzer [US/NL] 
and Maksim Borisovs [LV], released on the Nexsound label.

http://www.nexsound.org/ns22.html


Scott Carver wrote:
> Can anyone direct me towards interesting microsound-related live 
> performances (recordings of them, anyway). In particular, works that 
> don't easily fit into traditional kinds of dance music or 
> electroacoustic music performance arrangements....



-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl
---Oblique Strategy # 150:
"Take away the elements in order of apparent non-importance"

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comrades, i will be short to save your bandwidth ;)

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i don't understand why "the president of the world" is again that silly oil businessman...strange things happen on Tatooine!

those who voted for him - except my apologies.

: PLEASE go out and vote today.  Remember to encourage others to as well.
: Thanks!
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>i don't understand why "the president of the world" is again that 
>silly oil businessman...strange things happen on Tatooine!

to all citizens of other countries:  don't judge us too harshly. 
remember the race was still pretty close.  at least half of us 
disagree with this man, and many others are misled about his 
policies, or discouraged/barred from voting.

orwell's "1984" grows more truthful each year.


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better watch your tongue or we'll be bringing some "democracy" and 
"freedom" to your neighborhood buddy...

why can't "you people" make some music us "good folk" can 2-step to?




On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 07:50 AM, Andrey Kiritchenko wrote:

> i don't understand why "the president of the world" is again that 
> silly oil businessman...strange things happen on Tatooine!
>
> those who voted for him - except my apologies.
>
> : PLEASE go out and vote today.  Remember to encourage others to as 
> well.
> : Thanks!
> :
> :
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> : Brad
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There was a recent poll that showed that about 70% of Bush voters could 
not correctly identify Bush's policy positions, and that 70% also 
thought there was a connection between iraq and 9/11 and that WMD's had 
been found.

75% of Kerry voters understood their candidate's position and knew the 
facts about Iraq/9-11, etc.

So, blame naivety, the dishonesty of the Bush administration, and the 
unwillingness of the media to accuse the president of flat out lying.

some old punk rock lyrics I felt in my gut yesterday:

nine years into the future, we're still counting the dead and the 
dying, still totalling the countless hidden victims of heightened state 
terror, still believing of a peace and prosperity with millions living 
on the streets and I've got to wonder what the fuck it's going to take, 
  can it be undone, can we stem the tide of violence, or are we gonna 
sit back and relax and watch tv while the "have nots" get their heads 
kicked in over and over and over again, keep counting the policies that 
failed and the lies that worked, they worked, we swallowed them down 
deep, swallowed them whole.
--nine years later, born against

anthony

On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:16 AM, chthonic streams wrote:
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> to all citizens of other countries:  don't judge us too harshly. 
> remember the race was still pretty close.  at least half of us 
> disagree with this man, and many others are misled about his policies, 
> or discouraged/barred from voting.


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see also
http://uhfest.underground.hu/

http://www.contour.net/


On Nov 4, 2004, at 4:13 AM, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote:

> i had the same request a few months ago;
> here´s the essence:
> check this first:
> http://uhfest.underground.hu/
>
> http://rla.web.fm
> http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com
> http://www.punck.net/ctrlaltcanc/ctrl01mugen.html
> http://www.pachinkostudio.com/mugen/archives/000022.html
>
> best
> j ,.
>
>
> On 3 Nov 2004 at 17:36, Scott Carver wrote:
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>> Can anyone direct me towards interesting microsound-related live
>> performances (recordings of them, anyway). In particular, works that
>> don't easily fit into traditional kinds of dance music or
>> electroacoustic music performance arrangements....
>>
>> Offlist replies are fine.
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>> - Scott Carver
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Correction: only 20% of the U.S. voted for Bush, the other 20-% for
Kerry. The rest of the us couldn't be bothered. Education and civic
responsibility are at the heart of the U.S.'s problems, IMHO.

Chris

> >i don't understand why "the president of the world" is again that
> >silly oil businessman...strange things happen on Tatooine!
> 
> to all citizens of other countries:  don't judge us too harshly. 
> remember the race was still pretty close.  at least half of us 
> disagree with this man, and many others are misled about his 
> policies, or discouraged/barred from voting.
> 
> orwell's "1984" grows more truthful each year.
> 
> 
> d.

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On behalf of those liberals who did vote against the Emperor, I have only
this to add to this discussion:


I am so terribly, emphatically, truly sorry. 


We tried our best and gave it our all. Honest.


I could go into a discourse on the future dangers of what this could mean,
but I would be preaching to the choir.



We're not all that bad. Really. 



back to hiding,
rt




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Hi,

Can anyone tell me if the recordings submitted to the Millenium Urban
Soundscapes Project curated by Chris Meloche in 1999 have been released?

thanks in advance,
Bas van Heur

editor / Cut.Up.Media.Magazine / www.cut-up.com
journalist / KindaMuzik / www.kindamuzik.net
lecturer / Institute of Media and Representation / Utrecht University /
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the brainwashing has worked -

no apology needed - we are a minority
and within a failed election system -
votes are still being counted in ohio and Kerry yields.

onward -


On Nov 4, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Rob Theakston wrote:

>
> On behalf of those liberals who did vote against the Emperor, I have 
> only
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> I am so terribly, emphatically, truly sorry.
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> We tried our best and gave it our all. Honest.
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> I could go into a discourse on the future dangers of what this could 
> mean,
> but I would be preaching to the choir.
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> We're not all that bad. Really.
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preaching to the choir? making assumptions about microsounders' 
political leanings.

progressive music need not be made by those with progressive politics.

speaking of "onward": 
http://www.commtom.com/audio/PVoDD/4-onward_radio-edit.mp3

On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Ben wrote:

> the brainwashing has worked -
>
> onward -
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>>
>> but I would be preaching to the choir.
>>
>>
CommTom
Communications of Tomorrow
"it's only a day away"

unique electronic music for the adventurous ear.

http://www.commtom.com
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Actually no. I wasn't. But thanks for trying to teach me a moral lesson.

Your music's good though.



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preaching to the choir? making assumptions about microsounders' 
political leanings.

progressive music need not be made by those with progressive politics.

speaking of "onward": 
http://www.commtom.com/audio/PVoDD/4-onward_radio-edit.mp3

On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Ben wrote:

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>
> onward -
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>>
>> but I would be preaching to the choir.
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At 1:00 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:

>progressive music need not be made by those with progressive politics.

But why would a Regressive want to make progressive art? Isn't part 
of Regressive politics the rejection of anything intellectual and 
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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>At 1:00 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:
>
>>progressive music need not be made by those with progressive 
politics.
>
>But why would a Regressive want to make progressive art? Isn't 
part 
>of Regressive politics the rejection of anything intellectual and 
>forward-thinking?

only to a progressive.  and that assumes that the opposite is 
regressive, while the opposite is usually conservative, which i take 
to mean that some people want things to stay a certain way rather 
than moving forward, but not moving back.

forward, march.

d.

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This  brings  up a question I would be interested in. It's hard
for me to imagine how someone on the right (or conservatives or
whatever  you  want  to call them) could at the same time be an
artist  of  any  kind  and  be  interested  in  artistic issues
(actually  I  could  imagine  how  they  could  be money minded
entertainers,  but  not artists). I would be interested to hear
from folks who are on the right and
who  are  also  artists,  and how they make that work without a
whole lot of
cognitive dissonance.

Greg

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>At 1:00 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:
>
>>progressive music need not be made by those with progressive
politics.
>
>But why would a Regressive want to make progressive art? Isn't
part
>of  Regressive politics the rejection of anything intellectual
and
>forward-thinking?
only to a progressive. and that assumes that the opposite is
regressive, while the opposite is usually conservative, which i
take
to  mean  that  some  people  want things to stay a certain way
rather
than moving forward, but not moving back.
forward, march.
d.
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On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 01:25 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:

> At 1:00 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:
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>> progressive music need not be made by those with progressive politics.
>
> But why would a Regressive want to make progressive art?

To lure progressives into their little traps. and then ship them all 
off to places like "france".

>  Isn't part of Regressive politics the rejection of anything 
> intellectual and forward-thinking?

No.


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>This  brings  up a question I would be interested in. It's hard
>for me to imagine how someone on the right (or conservatives or
>whatever  you  want  to call them) could at the same time be an
>artist  of  any  kind  and  be  interested  in  artistic issues
>(actually  I  could  imagine  how  they  could  be money minded
>entertainers,  but  not artists). I would be interested to hear
>from folks who are on the right and
>who  are  also  artists,  and how they make that work without a
>whole lot of
>cognitive dissonance.

that's probably not the best way to start a conversation about this 
kind of thing...there are barely-veiled insults in there that are 
off-putting to the very people you hope to hear from.

having said that, i'm sure there's plenty of artists who "swing to the 
right".  vincent gallo is one, and i own both his CDs on warp.  i 
wouldn't call his music terribly "progressive", but i like it.  i also 
own several burzum CDs, and that guy is a total right-wing lunatic.  
so glad he's in prison for 21 years.


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i have a brilliant musician friend (jazz guitar) who is a diehard
objectivist (as in ayn rand). he considers himself a libertarian but his
politics are pretty republican... we have some great debates, especially
concerning the purpose of art and artists. it's important to suround
oneself with people of varying political ideologies, i think, provided
they are intelligent, thoughtful, reasonable and like a good debate.

g.

Gregory Elliott wrote:

> This  brings  up a question I would be interested in. It's hard
> for me to imagine how someone on the right (or conservatives or
> whatever  you  want  to call them) could at the same time be an
> artist  of  any  kind  and  be  interested  in  artistic issues
> (actually  I  could  imagine  how  they  could  be money minded
> entertainers,  but  not artists). I would be interested to hear
> from folks who are on the right and
> who  are  also  artists,  and how they make that work without a
> whole lot of
> cognitive dissonance.
>
> Greg
>
> http://spagirus.ivdt.net
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> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:35:59 -0800
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> From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>
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> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:25:24 -0800
> >At 1:00 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:
> >
> >>progressive music need not be made by those with progressive
> politics.
> >
> >But why would a Regressive want to make progressive art? Isn't
> part
> >of  Regressive politics the rejection of anything intellectual
> and
> >forward-thinking?
> only to a progressive. and that assumes that the opposite is
> regressive, while the opposite is usually conservative, which i
> take
> to  mean  that  some  people  want things to stay a certain way
> rather
> than moving forward, but not moving back.
> forward, march.
> d.
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>it's important to suround
>oneself with people of varying political ideologies, i think, 
provided
>they are intelligent, thoughtful, reasonable and like a good 
debate.

absolutely.  the main probelm is that at some point in the debate 
(very early on if the people involved are none of those things), 
tempers tend to rise and all dignity goes out the window.  kind of 
like on some email lists!

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At 12:35 PM -0800 11/4/04, chthonic wrote:

>that assumes that the opposite is regressive, while the opposite is 
>usually conservative, which i take to mean that some people want 
>things to stay a certain way rather than moving forward, but not 
>moving back.


In my opinion many "conservatives" are actually misusing the term to 
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Many political acts on the part of these "conservatives" are actually 
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>that's probably not the best way to start a conversation about this 
>kind of thing...there are barely-veiled insults in there that are 
>off-putting to the very people you hope to hear from.

I don't mean any of what I said to be insulting, and am not sure what would be taken as such other than the 'how could someone be conservative and an artist without a lot of cognitive dissonance?', particularly the 'cognitive dissonance' part. But, I don't mind my own political leanings shining through in the question, and that question is just what I'm trying to get a handle on. How can one make sense of being an arist, or being interested in artist issues, and still be a conservative? Help a lefty understand how someone on the right could smooth out the cognitive dissonance of their politics and their artistic pursuits/interests (or how there is no cognitive dissonance that arises at all) while knowing I'm not trying to insult anyone, just from my own standpoint, I don't know how else to frame the question. 

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At 4:01 PM -0500 11/4/04, graham miller wrote:
>i have a brilliant musician friend (jazz guitar) who is a diehard
>objectivist (as in ayn rand). he considers himself a libertarian but his
>politics are pretty republican...

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> Richard wrote:
>
> Many political acts on the part of these "conservatives" are actually 
> meant to undo such gains as reproductive rights, environmental 
> protections, social programs, etc. and this means they are moving back 
> to a previous state prior to the establishment of these progressive 
> programs.
>

I think perhaps that these things are not seen as "gains" to those who 
oppose them. On the contrary some of these thigs are seen as further 
evidence of a "moral decay" in society, and social programs as the 
intrusion of government on the "free market".

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>There was a recent poll that showed that about 70%
>of Bush voters could not correctly identify Bush's
>policy positions...

this it?
pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf

wacky, zany stuff. a sobering read. 
+++

also interesting...
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php



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some contend that the futurists were fascists.


On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 02:09 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:

> At 4:01 PM -0500 11/4/04, graham miller wrote:
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>some contend that the futurists were fascists.

yeah, greed, ego, paranoia, and creativity can go hand-in-hand, as 
can saintliness, generosity and a totally 'boring' personality... 
people are mixed bags, every time, and even using the 'conservative' 
and 'liberal' labels is a cheap shortcut to the polarity that reifies 
human interaction.  and those who are at the higher end of a power 
heirarchy NEED that kind of polarization and reified thinking to keep 
a grip on power.  so, talk to your neighbor, bake brownies for 'em, 
stay open, this is the only sure way to de-power the top strata of 
idiots who are trying to engineer this regime...

jh

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> >some contend that the futurists were fascists.
> 
> yeah, greed, ego, paranoia, and creativity can go hand-in-hand, as 
> can saintliness, generosity and a totally 'boring' personality... 
> people are mixed bags, every time, and even using the 'conservative' 
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> heirarchy NEED that kind of polarization and reified thinking to keep 
> a grip on power.  so, talk to your neighbor, bake brownies for 'em, 
> stay open, this is the only sure way to de-power the top strata of 
> idiots who are trying to engineer this regime...
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devslashnull wrote:

> some contend that the futurists were fascists.
>
most futurists were definitely fascist and there are quite a few other 
instances of very concervative artists producing very radical work. take 
Schoenberg. he was absolutely confident that his achievement was to 
revitalise the great german tradition, and certainly not to effectively 
destroy it's very foundation.

anyway: from my perspective at the eastern end of europe two things 
really worry me. 1) the election was won because of fear: all the main 
themes - guns, gays, irak, al qaida, abortion - are related to some 
dimension of fear - of the enemy, of ones own desires etc. 2) the 
significance of any difference between a lie and a truthful assertion 
has withered to nothing. this take us back to a Goebbels approach: if 
you lie enough and consistently, it ends up by being perceived as true.

don't worry though, anyone who has any contact with the US knows that 
you're not all a bunch of demented, fundamentalist, paranoid etc.

I hope you people find ways to make his second term *extremely* 
unpleasant for him and even more so for the real political brains 
running his show.

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dear all,
first of all thank you to the many of you who have contacted me within  
the past 2 days to express your sorrow and disappointment at the  
troubling outcome of the US presidential election. i am not usually  
outwardly political person but i must say this: i am shocked and  
horrified by the lack of thinking of 50% of this population. the  
ignorant, greedy, and intolerant have spoken by succumbing to the fear  
mongering and zealotry of his administration's campaign. as i now live  
in washington dc, i must let you know that 91% of the votes by DC  
citizens went to Kerry. Even bush's neighbors don't want him here.  
regime change 2008?... i can only hope,

well.... on a lighter note.
today my redesigned website has been uploaded http://www.3particles.com
along with the redesigned LINE website http://www.12k.com/line

i hope you will have a chance to visit and enjoy the new design and  
features,
richard



- NEW / RECENT RELEASES

 > OUT NOW . Set or Performance  [ LINE, US  ]  Live performance  
recording release. recorded live to disc at VOLT/AA deep listening  
event held at SAT [ Montreal, Canada ] 12/03.

 > 4CD OUT NOW . Edition [ LINE, US ] special limited edition packaging  
4 CD set entitled Edition. Edition is a collection of the 4 critically  
acclaimed full length LINE cd releases: Series from 2000 (LINE_001), Of  
Surfaces from 2002 (LINE_008), Two Locations from 2003 (LINE_013), and  
the brand new live recording Set or Performance (LINE_018). special  
re-packaging release is strictly limited to 100 signed and numbered  
units. Lavishly yet simply designed, Edition is a double gatefold  
package offset printed in 3 inks in which the CDs rest on high density  
foam hubs separated by diecut vellum sheets. Liner notes from each  
original sleeve are reprinted within. This cd will only be available  
through the 12k/LINE website store, 3particles.com, and my live shows.

 > OUT NOW 12"LP . (1.8)sec.comp  Each artist has contributed a 1.8  
second sound file to be a lock groove. Each work ends with another  
artists' lockgroove. Includes tracks by Richard Chartier, Tim Hecker,  
Mitchell Akiyama, Duul_Drv, Taylor Deupree, Kim Cascone, 3x3is9, Roel  
Meelkop.  on (1.8)sec.records [ Canada]. numbered edition of 500. on  
white vinyl. TO PRE-ORDER THIS ITEM... PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. I  
SHOULD HAVE THEM IN STOCK SOON.

a very limited number of signed copies of these and other releases are  
available via the ONLINE STORE:  http://www.3particles.com/paypal


- ONLINE MUSIC

 > FREE DOWNLOAD . Silver has been made available for free download as  
part of the LOOP1 online compilation. http://www.loop.cl
or international users: LINK >  
http://www.archive.org/audio/audio-details-db.php? 
collection=soulseek_artists&collectionid=loop01
 > DOWNLOAD . Of Surfaces + After and out of print 0/R (with *0/Nosei  
Sakata) projects available via Apple's ITUNES Store.
 > FREE DOWNLOAD .  i was asked by William Basinski to create and hour  
long mix for his SLIPSTREAM show presented online by PS1/MOMA's WPS1  
ART RADIO. this has been completed and will be online this month with  
track listing ... so check back soon.  LINK >  
http://www.wps1.org/include/shows/Sonorama.html


- CURRENT + UPCOMING EVENTS

 > EXHIBIT . "Herein, Then" in Ecoute @ Centre Pompidou [ Paris, France  
] Sept 2004-Jan 2005
 > LIVE . Presences Electronique [ Paris, France ] February 19, 2005
 > LIVE . CHESSMACHINE.2.0 @ Visual Music: See Hear Now LAMOCA [ Los  
Angeles ] Late Feb 2005
 > DJ . MIES @ Blueroom [ Washington, DC ] http://www.3particles.com/mies
 > LIVE .  12k/LINE/Apestaartje showcase shows @ Tonic [ NYC ]   
(postponed)


- UPCOMING RELEASES, ETC

 > CD . Kapotte Muziek by Richard Chartier & Boca Raton. Korm Plastics.  
November 2004. cds will be available through my online store on  
3particles.com

 > LP . Retrieval  [ ERS, The Netherlands ] 2004. my first solo vinyl  
release. Autumn 2004. This will be two works that were created at my  
artist residency at the Music Research Centre @ York University, UK.  
based on soundfiles and loops of mine from 1990-1993.

 > BOOK . "On the surface of silence: reticence in the music of Richard  
Chartier" by Will Montgomery in BLOCKS OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE  
UNBROKEN CONTINUUM.
a really great indepth study of my work. Publisher: Sound 323. Editors:  
Brian Marley+Mark Wastell. Fall 2004

 > CD . Placode [ n160, Japan ]  delayed: winter 2004/2005. This  
elaborately aluminum packaged cd compilation curated by Nibo [  
LINE/Raster-Noton] will contain the piece "retrieval#3(for placodes).  
artists on this compilation: Carsten Nicolai, Christophe Charles, Frank  
Bretschneider, Nibo, Byetone, Richard Chartier, Sachiko.M, Sogar, Steve  
Roden, Taylor Deupree, and Otomo Yoshihide. http://www.n160.com

 > 2CD . POST-POST-FABRICATED [ DSP Recordings, Italy ]  Winter 2005.  
This 2CD project will have the reformed/remastered Post-Fabricated CD  
(originally issued on CDR on Dutch label Microwave in 1999 as an  
edition of 200). I was never happy with the sound quality of the final  
master due to the engineer and my analog recording limitations at the  
time. I recently uncovered the original sound file elements backups and  
have reconstructed it in its full digital vitality. This is an odd  
recording for me, which you could say is my most "pop" release in its  
quirky rhythmic elements. The second CD will be comprised of  
remixes/reworkings from the original files by Frank Bretschneider, COH,  
Taylor Deupree, Freiband, Goem, Carsten Nicolai, Byetone, Sogar, SND,  
Asmus Tietchens, Vend, Matmos, Steve Roden, William Basinski, and  
myself. Unreleased works from the 1998 sessions may be included as  
well.  http://www.dsprecs.com

 > CD . SPEC.2 / Specification.fifteen with Taylor Deupree [ LINE ]  
2005. initial work has begun on this collaboration. It will be based on  
our collaborative performances in Rome and Madrid in March and our ICC  
installation.

 > PRINT . "L-NExtraction" LINE 5th anniversary print. limited edition  
of 30 signed/numbered edition 4 color process iris graphic print on  
archival rives BFK. more details to come.

 > CD . Arrangements (working title) [ Raster-Noton. Germany ] 2005


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he is a dark lord of the sith, after all.

richard chartier / LINE wrote:

> dear all,
> first of all thank you to the many of you who have contacted me within
> the past 2 days to express your sorrow and disappointment at the
> troubling outcome of the US presidential election. i am not usually
> outwardly political person but i must say this: i am shocked and
> horrified by the lack of thinking of 50% of this population. the
> ignorant, greedy, and intolerant have spoken by succumbing to the fear
> mongering and zealotry of his administration's campaign. as i now live
> in washington dc, i must let you know that 91% of the votes by DC
> citizens went to Kerry. Even bush's neighbors don't want him here.
> regime change 2008?... i can only hope,


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hola list et al,


Actually, the futurists _were_ fascists; that's not contention but fact.
Marinetti was an avid supporter of Mussolini, in word and deed, and the
futurists embraced World War I.

    See, for example,

    Richard J. Golsan, Ed. _Fascism, Aesthetics, and  Culture._ Hanover: UP
    of New England, 1992.


However, I think it's fair to qualify Mussolini's fascism from Hitler's Nazi
party and its fascism. The level of street violence practiced by _any_
political party at the time is unbelievable, whether fascist, imperialist,
communist, anarchist, etc. There is a context to be carefully observed here
because it is twisted with our own.

Also, thinking here of another post, futurism is not fascism nor is it
conservatism nor neoconservatism. These are all quite different ideologies
with different agendas and goals. Some have melded more easily into others.
Don't forget the Republicans and the Democrats traded places in the US
mid-century. The left/right topology is anything but stable, and when
analyzing and comparing to earlier moments in history, this has to be kept
in mind -- sorry for coming off all lecture-like here, I guess I'm just
trying to point out two things today: 1. the fact of the neocons; 2. how
this is creating a new kind of authoritarianism that risks a new kind of
fascism. Futurism on the one hand and religious apocalypticism on the other
are also defining a current aesthetic-political spectrum that merges in the
mix of the digital.

So that's why this post is relevant.

If you're interested, I wrote a piece called "The Reverb Engine" on the
contemporary relation of technology to futurism. It features some words on
Kim Cascone, Tim Hecker, Russolo, Guy Debord, etc. It was written for Sonic
Acts X in Amsterdam ..


    van Veen, tobias c.  ³The Reverb Engine.² Ed. Arie Altena. In _Unsorted:
    An A to Z for Sonic Acts X_, Paradiso: Amsterdam, 2004. pp. 104-110.


Come to think of it, I'm still looking for a place to publish the actual
talk I gave at the conference, which expands upon these themes.

cheers,

tV



> some contend that the futurists were fascists.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 02:09 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
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>> At 4:01 PM -0500 11/4/04, graham miller wrote:
>>> i have a brilliant musician friend (jazz guitar) who is a diehard
>>> objectivist (as in ayn rand). he considers himself a libertarian but
>>> his
>>> politics are pretty republican...
>> 
>> I think guitarists are exempt.
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graham miller wrote:

>i have a brilliant musician friend (jazz guitar) who is a diehard
>objectivist (as in ayn rand). he considers himself a libertarian but his
>politics are pretty republican... we have some great debates, especially
>concerning the purpose of art and artists. it's important to suround
>oneself with people of varying political ideologies, i think, provided
>they are intelligent, thoughtful, reasonable and like a good debate.
>
>g.
>
>Gregory Elliott wrote:
>
Greg;

You're absolutely correct.  You don't have to agree with someone in 
order to see their point of view.

Best,

Rudy

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Gregory Elliott wrote:

>>that's probably not the best way to start a conversation about this 
>>kind of thing...there are barely-veiled insults in there that are 
>>off-putting to the very people you hope to hear from.
>>    
>>
>
>I don't mean any of what I said to be insulting, and am not sure what would be taken as such other than the 'how could someone be conservative and an artist without a lot of cognitive dissonance?', particularly the 'cognitive dissonance' part. But, I don't mind my own political leanings shining through in the question, and that question is just what I'm trying to get a handle on. How can one make sense of being an arist, or being interested in artist issues, and still be a conservative? Help a lefty understand how someone on the right could smooth out the cognitive dissonance of their politics and their artistic pursuits/interests (or how there is no cognitive dissonance that arises at all) while knowing I'm not trying to insult anyone, just from my own standpoint, I don't know how else to frame the question. 
>
>Greg
>
>http://spagirus.ivdt.net
>  
>
Hi Greg;

It's easy.  If you like the music, or if you are passionate about 
something, you go and do it.  Your personal politics, religion or lack 
of won't play a part in it.  At least it doesn't for me.  I've never 
been able to understand the left's claim of exclusivity for new music, 
but I may well be missing something.

Best,

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At 2:13 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:
>>Richard wrote:
>>
>>Many political acts on the part of these "conservatives" are 
>>actually meant to undo such gains as reproductive rights, 
>>environmental protections, social programs, etc. and this means 
>>they are moving back to a previous state prior to the establishment 
>>of these progressive programs.
>>
>
>I think perhaps that these things are not seen as "gains" to those 
>who oppose them. On the contrary some of these thigs are seen as 
>further evidence of a "moral decay" in society, and social programs 
>as the intrusion of government on the "free market".

Nevertheless these are results of the progressive movement in the 
20th century. An attempt to undo them is an attempt to revert to an 
earlier social condition and is therefore a regressive trend.
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Andrey Kiritchenko wrote:

>i don't understand why "the president of the world" is again that silly oil businessman...strange things happen on Tatooine!
>
>those who voted for him - except my apologies.
>
It should be much less worse than having a president who is being 
accused of decapitating a reporter, Andrey.

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At 2:28 PM -0700 11/4/04, devslashnull wrote:
>some contend that the futurists were fascists.

They were certainly precursors of the Fascist movement. Marinetti in 
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:24:32 +0200, Christos Carras <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote:

> anyway: from my perspective at the eastern end of europe two things
> really worry me. 1) the election was won because of fear: all the main
> themes - guns, gays, irak, al qaida, abortion - are related to some
> dimension of fear - of the enemy, of ones own desires etc.

The reason the repubs won this election was because they had 11
anti-gay marriage initiatives in a variety of states, including Ohio,
which brought out the religious ultra-conservatives, who, once they
cast their ballots on the initiatives, voted for Bush and the rest of
the repubs on the ballot.  Without that group, which would have likely
stayed away from the polls because they are about as disaffected from
the moderate wing of the republican party as the average lefty is from
the democratic, Bush would have lost.  This was a masterful tactic by
people like Karl Rove, a genius of political manipulation whom the
democrats are never going to trump as long as he's pulling the
strings.

As I put it on another list, "the republicans ass-fucked the American
public on a platform of anti-sodomy, but while that same public thinks
it's true love, they're going to find out it was only a one-night
stand."  The US is going to go back to the early Reagan years and the
times of the preeminence of the Moral Majority.  there's going to be a
big backlash against social tolerance and the neo-cons are going to be
braying for a few more wars in the Middle East.

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:24:32 +0200, Christos Carras <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>the election was won because of fear: all the main
>themes - guns, gays, irak, al qaida, abortion - are related to some
>dimension of fear - of the enemy, of ones own desires etc.


At 9:28 AM +0900 11/5/04, Bill Ashline wrote:
>The reason the repubs won this election was because they had 11
>anti-gay marriage initiatives in a variety of states, including Ohio,
>which brought out the religious ultra-conservatives, who, once they
>cast their ballots on the initiatives, voted for Bush and the rest of
>the repubs on the ballot.

I agree with both statements. The mobilization of the Evangelicals 
(who tend to be a fearful and superstitious lot) was a masterful 
tactic engineered by Karl Rove.

BTW - George Lakoff has some insights:

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/people/lakoff
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>>>Many political acts on the part of these "conservatives" are 
>>>actually meant to undo such gains as reproductive rights, 
>>>environmental protections, social programs, etc. and this 
means 
>>>they are moving back to a previous state prior to the 
establishment 
>>>of these progressive programs.


>>I think perhaps that these things are not seen as "gains" to 
those 
>>who oppose them. On the contrary some of these thigs are 
seen as 
>>further evidence of a "moral decay" in society, and social 
programs 
>>as the intrusion of government on the "free market".


>Nevertheless these are results of the progressive movement in 
the 
>20th century. An attempt to undo them is an attempt to revert to an 
>earlier social condition and is therefore a regressive trend.


i think it really depends on the point of view.  because you believe 
the opposite does not make your version the truth, any more than 
theirs is.

to conservatives, they are not regressing as opposed to liberals' 
progressing; they are simply trying to change the sway of things 
from one way (not theirs) to another (their way).  

even more likely, they believe *they* are simply stopping the 
aforementioned "moral decay", which they would see as 
regressive or destructive; in their eyes, they are the progressives 
because they are attempting to lift mankind up to its highest peak, 
while liberals want to allow everything to be debased and 
degraded.

a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is not a 
reversion to an earlier social condition; thus, those supporting 
such a thing can claim it is progressive.  

i hope it's clear from my words i'm not saying this is correct or that i 
agree with it, just hypothesizing and trying to understand the way 
such minds work.


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I second that... I know everyone's feeling strongly about the election right 
now (myself included) but there are plenty of other mailing lists and online 
discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on this list to 
spare us from politics.


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Now, to hardware...
I'm looking to spend less than US$1500 on good hardware for live electronic 
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I require:

-a laptop (PC/Windows pref.)
-a MIDI controller device (M-Audio or Behringer?)
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I'm fine with renting speakers/pwr amp for now, but the above is what I've 
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Except that politics might be a strong influence on one's creative concerns
and direction.

//P
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> please be considerate as to not shove it down others mouths 
> and into their bellies. ty greatly and now back to microsound 
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a certain "david golightly" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Now, to hardware...
> I'm looking to spend less than US$1500 on good hardware for live electronic 
> performance.  I've been doing electronic music for years now, but only 
> recording stuff to CD, then playing it back live... it's no fun for 
> subjecting an audience to.
> I require:
> 
there are plenty of other mailing lists and online 
discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on this list to 
spare us from hardware issues.

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>Except that politics might be a strong influence on one's creative concerns
>and direction.


*COUGH* muslimgauze *COUGH*


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tobias c. van Veenwrote:

> 
> hola list et al,
> 
> 
> Actually, the futurists _were_ fascists; that's not contention but fact.
> Marinetti was an avid supporter of Mussolini, in word and deed, and the
> futurists embraced World War I.

absolutely!

> However, I think it's fair to qualify Mussolini's fascism from Hitler's Nazi
> party and its fascism. The level of street violence practiced by _any_
> political party at the time is unbelievable, whether fascist, imperialist,
> communist, anarchist, etc. There is a context to be carefully observed here
> because it is twisted with our own.

I would be very careful in attempting to put a positive gloss on Mussolini's
Fascism. The politics of Mussolini's Fascist party privileged the rights of
the strong over the weak in a similar way to the Nazis. Hence they
victimised the sick and disabled, Gypsies, etc. They were just as inhuman in
this regard.
> 
> Also, thinking here of another post, futurism is not fascism nor is it
> conservatism nor neoconservatism.

Some have called it Fascism (I'm thinking of Walter Benjamin's famous
remark) and I'm not sure that they are wrong. Futurism was guilty of
aestheticising politics (this was Benjamin's contention). This
aestheticisation of politics proceeded by the systematic application of
aesthetic judgements (judgements of taste) directly to political ideology.
Thus they  glorified war as the supreme aesthetic/political experience. The
Nazis similarly aestheticised politics and this resulted in their being able
to presecute anyone not conforming to the aesthetic ideals of "racial
purity."
Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of the three
autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own terms. This
is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
determined prdominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses an
equally dangerous outcome.

However, although the Futurists were Fascists, an although Futurism was
(arguably) a fascist ideology, this should not prevent us from examining
their ideas and gaining something from this process. Nor should we abandon
the works of Heidegger and De Man, who also fell under the spell of Fascism.

ian  
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What I might find more welcome here is explicitly relating the practice of 
microsound to this and other political contexts. But all too often, I find 
the "political" discussion on this list degenerates into name-calling and 
shallow opining. The "futurist=fascist" thread has been interesting; what 
more can we say on that and similar topics?

That said, someone on another list posted to the effect that the three 
most taboo topics on any mailing list are 1) politics 2) religion and 3) 
whether religion and/or politics should be discussed on a particular 
mailing list.

P


> I second that... I know everyone's feeling strongly about the election right 
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>> hello list-
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>> too motivated to reply until now. i think (maybe i am alone) people's 
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[snip]

> Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of the three
> autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
> logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own terms. This
> is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
> determined predominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses an
> equally dangerous outcome.

True enough, and well put, but is "fascism" really the right term here? 
What does Islamic fundamentalism have to do with a bundle of sticks?

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Phil Thomsonwrote:

> [snip]
> 
>> Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of the three
>> autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
>> logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own terms. This
>> is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
>> determined predominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses an
>> equally dangerous outcome.
> 
> True enough, and well put, but is "fascism" really the right term here?
> What does Islamic fundamentalism have to do with a bundle of sticks?
> 
> P
Fascism, as I see it is a form of totalitarianism but also an ideology of
purity that will not tolerate any form of contagion from the impure. This
singularity elevates one race, religion, belief, or form above all others
and then actively seeks to persecute all exceptions. It does not do this
because it believes that these impure elements are a threat to it. It does
this simply because it believes that it is right, and that these elements
must simply not be allowed to exist. I see this process in religious
fundamentalism (also bear in mind that Hitler and the SS had their own brand
of weird occult fundamentalism).

On a side note, John Cage once described minimalist music as fascist.


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there are plenty of other mailing lists and online 
discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on this list to 
spare us from hardware issues.

well well, i strongly disagree here. this mail discourageing ppl from sending hardware topics and the situation on the list which allows topics like politics thrive in this list has made me write. i propose a filter for the list, i know a word filter is no good, and a gind of filter where one or more person(s) are reading the contents of all the lists mails before allowing them to the list is also no good, i propose a mind filter, meaning that everybody promices for him/herselfe not to write those topics (not even funny ones) to "this" list, we might even require a wiki site or sth similar noting the topics witch are not allowed in this list so even the ones who might go, "how to i know witch topics are not allowed, stupid system, bla bla...", can go and refresh their memories looking up that page. the ones who still write on those topics should be looked as ..........(i personaly would throw them off the list)   the reason is noise, very disturbing trash info and even the topic name like "politics" streams out this trash. i dont want to be bombarded with such streams of trash and it distrubs me because i have left no choice, i can not escape them even in this list, which i see as a highly aprishiated art list, and (i know it is my personal problem) i dont see art and politics go hand in hand. it is even worse than spam mail. i resently made a new email just for lists so i can escape junk and all that trash, well now it has followed me to one of the lists, the next psycholigicaly logical step is to unsubscribe, but i think most of us understand what are the effects of that.    in analog world we must choose all the sounds we make and the people we invite very carefully so unwilling people do not have to listen to them and reducing the risk unwelcome people show up. in digital world we must not forget that also, but here words are the sounds and lists are the invitations.   
i realy hope my mail is of any help,(even when it might be confusing in some places) and hope that we will eliminate at least the most unwanted topics from this list - for EVER.

good day to all 

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mik thinks;

> there are plenty of other mailing lists and online
> discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on this list to
> spare us from hardware issues.

I disagree, though I took my reply to David off list. Admittedly most
typical microsound techniques are primarily computer music techniques, next
to impossible to implement on hardware (just for kicks I´m taking
"micorsound techniques" to mean those described in Road´s book) but there
are some exceptions. I had some amount of success implementing a version of
pulse train synthesis on a Serge Modular which alowed me to controll one
fundamental with a keyboard, the other with a light sensor.

Though the technique may at it´s core be the same, I asure you manually
controling it gives it a different feel from programing it all and a Serge
recorded to tape sounds quite different from, say, Csound rendered to hd. I
strongly feel that arteficially limiting ourselves to just computer based
systems is counterproductive. Admittedly there would be better places to
compare the feel of different stage pianos or the batery life of guitar
pedals but "outlawing" all talk of hardware in general is a step too far for
my tastes.

Respectfully yours.
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"Microsound is an unmediated mailing list dedicated to informed comment and
discussion of experimental digital and post-digital music."

if i want to join a newsgroup or a forum about politics i would, but not
here on this one please

henk

> Van: Ian Andrews <x.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
> Beantwoord: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Datum: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:03:48 +1100
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> Onderwerp: Re: [microsound] Re: futurists + fascistas
> 
> tobias c. van Veenwrote:
> 
>> 
>> hola list et al,
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, the futurists _were_ fascists; that's not contention but fact.
>> Marinetti was an avid supporter of Mussolini, in word and deed, and the
>> futurists embraced World War I.
> 
> absolutely!
> 
>> However, I think it's fair to qualify Mussolini's fascism from Hitler's Nazi
>> party and its fascism. The level of street violence practiced by _any_
>> political party at the time is unbelievable, whether fascist, imperialist,
>> communist, anarchist, etc. There is a context to be carefully observed here
>> because it is twisted with our own.
> 
> I would be very careful in attempting to put a positive gloss on Mussolini's
> Fascism. The politics of Mussolini's Fascist party privileged the rights of
> the strong over the weak in a similar way to the Nazis. Hence they
> victimised the sick and disabled, Gypsies, etc. They were just as inhuman in
> this regard.
>> 
>> Also, thinking here of another post, futurism is not fascism nor is it
>> conservatism nor neoconservatism.
> 
> Some have called it Fascism (I'm thinking of Walter Benjamin's famous
> remark) and I'm not sure that they are wrong. Futurism was guilty of
> aestheticising politics (this was Benjamin's contention). This
> aestheticisation of politics proceeded by the systematic application of
> aesthetic judgements (judgements of taste) directly to political ideology.
> Thus they  glorified war as the supreme aesthetic/political experience. The
> Nazis similarly aestheticised politics and this resulted in their being able
> to presecute anyone not conforming to the aesthetic ideals of "racial
> purity."
> Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of the three
> autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
> logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own terms. This
> is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
> determined prdominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses an
> equally dangerous outcome.
> 
> However, although the Futurists were Fascists, an although Futurism was
> (arguably) a fascist ideology, this should not prevent us from examining
> their ideas and gaining something from this process. Nor should we abandon
> the works of Heidegger and De Man, who also fell under the spell of Fascism.
> 
> ian  
>> 
> 
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> if you read the etimolology of the word ³politic² and you understand that it
> concern our life you will realize that politic is never off topic.
> 
> 
> hello list-
> 
> i enjoy dearly the (usually) literate conversations that transpire
> betwit the members of this list. i lurk in the shadows and simply read.
> never felt too motivated to reply until now. i think (maybe i am alone)
> people's personal opinions regarding only democracy, political parties,
> voters, beliefs and morals or LACK of any, do not belong on this list. i
> am certain if you must vent to another member, it can be done offlist.
> just my opinion. besides, anything even remotely political... and i
> delete without reading so carry on as you are if you must. just realise
> 'your' view is not the only view, so please be considerate as to not
> shove it down others mouths and into their bellies. ty greatly and now
> back to microsound related topics pls...
> 
> best.
> 
> dat
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Andrey Kiritchenko wrote:
> 
>> >i don't understand why "the president of the world" is again that silly oil
>> businessman...strange things happen on Tatooine!
>> >
>> >those who voted for him - except my apologies.
>> >
> It should be much less worse than having a president who is being
> accused of decapitating a reporter, Andrey.
> 
I don¹ t see any difference from decapitating a reporter or bombing and
killing thousands civilians

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take it off list

> Van: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx>
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> Onderwerp: [microsound] R:[microsound] Re: us citizens... (OT)
> 
>> if you read the etimolology of the word ³politic² and you understand that it
>> concern our life you will realize that politic is never off topic.
>> 
>> 
>> hello list-
>> 
>> i enjoy dearly the (usually) literate conversations that transpire
>> betwit the members of this list. i lurk in the shadows and simply read.
>> never felt too motivated to reply until now. i think (maybe i am alone)
>> people's personal opinions regarding only democracy, political parties,
>> voters, beliefs and morals or LACK of any, do not belong on this list. i
>> am certain if you must vent to another member, it can be done offlist.
>> just my opinion. besides, anything even remotely political... and i
>> delete without reading so carry on as you are if you must. just realise
>> 'your' view is not the only view, so please be considerate as to not
>> shove it down others mouths and into their bellies. ty greatly and now
>> back to microsound related topics pls...
>> 
>> best.
>> 
>> dat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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For those who follow digital arts lists out of interest in the bigger
picture and for the opinions of the community and how those opinions relate
to their aesthetic rather than for techie stuff this has been a really
interesting, and comforting, few days. I have read many more posts with
interest over the last couple of days than I normally would. I delete all
techie stuff instantly, no offence, but that is not why I am on the list.

I know I am not alone as well.

Best wishes

Richard

On 5/11/04 10:45 am, "henk b" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote:

> take it off list
> 
>> Van: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx>
>> Beantwoord: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Datum: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:37:10 +0100
>> Aan: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Onderwerp: [microsound] R:[microsound] Re: us citizens... (OT)
>> 
>>> if you read the etimolology of the word ³politic² and you understand that it
>>> concern our life you will realize that politic is never off topic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hello list-
>>> 
>>> i enjoy dearly the (usually) literate conversations that transpire
>>> betwit the members of this list. i lurk in the shadows and simply read.
>>> never felt too motivated to reply until now. i think (maybe i am alone)
>>> people's personal opinions regarding only democracy, political parties,
>>> voters, beliefs and morals or LACK of any, do not belong on this list. i
>>> am certain if you must vent to another member, it can be done offlist.
>>> just my opinion. besides, anything even remotely political... and i
>>> delete without reading so carry on as you are if you must. just realise
>>> 'your' view is not the only view, so please be considerate as to not
>>> shove it down others mouths and into their bellies. ty greatly and now
>>> back to microsound related topics pls...
>>> 
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> dat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> tell me why
> 
> 
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> take it off list
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>> > Van: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx>
>> > Beantwoord: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> > Datum: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:37:10 +0100
>> > Aan: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> > Onderwerp: [microsound] R:[microsound] Re: us citizens... (OT)
>> > 
>>> >> if you read the etimolology of the word ³politic² and you understand that
it
>>> >> concern our life you will realize that politic is never off topic.
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> hello list-
>>> >> 
>>> >> i enjoy dearly the (usually) literate conversations that transpire
>>> >> betwit the members of this list. i lurk in the shadows and simply read.
>>> >> never felt too motivated to reply until now. i think (maybe i am alone)
>>> >> people's personal opinions regarding only democracy, political parties,
>>> >> voters, beliefs and morals or LACK of any, do not belong on this list. i
>>> >> am certain if you must vent to another member, it can be done offlist.
>>> >> just my opinion. besides, anything even remotely political... and i
>>> >> delete without reading so carry on as you are if you must. just realise
>>> >> 'your' view is not the only view, so please be considerate as to not
>>> >> shove it down others mouths and into their bellies. ty greatly and now
>>> >> back to microsound related topics pls...
>>> >> 
>>> >> best.
>>> >> 
>>> >> dat
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
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"What I might find more welcome here is explicitly relating the practice 
of microsound to this and other political contexts. But all too often, I 
find the "political" discussion on this list degenerates into 
name-calling and shallow opining. The "futurist=fascist" thread has been 
interesting; what more can we say on that and similar topics? " posted 
earlier by xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx

"i think (maybe i am alone) people's personal opinions regarding 
*_only_* democracy, political parties, voters, beliefs and morals or 
LACK of any, do not belong on this list. i am certain if you must vent 
to another member, it can be done offlist." posted earlier by datetmyer-

exactly my sentiments as well. that is why i stated opinions regarding 
ONLY etc etc. i think somebody earlier posted that what if 'politics is 
their motivation for inspiration at this time' (or something to that 
effect). this i do not mind and find welcoming, for ANYTHING that 
motivates ones creativeness, is open to discussion for me. or in my 
case, reading from the shadows  : P

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In a message dated 4/11/04 10:52:46 pm, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx writes:

>i am shocked and  
>horrified by the lack of thinking of 50% of this population. the  
>ignorant, greedy, and intolerant have spoken by succumbing to the fear
>mongering and zealotry of his administration's campaign.

It was at this point that I stopped reading peoples messages and started 
deleting.
How small minded of you to generalise in such a way.
regards
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a certain "Kassen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> wrote:
> mik thinks;
> 
> > there are plenty of other mailing lists and online
> > discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on this list to
> > spare us from hardware issues.
> 

> Though the technique may at it´s core be the same, I asure you manually
> controling it gives it a different feel from programing it all and a Serge
> recorded to tape sounds quite different from, say, Csound rendered to hd. I
> strongly feel that arteficially limiting ourselves to just computer based
> systems is counterproductive. Admittedly there would be better places to
> compare the feel of different stage pianos or the batery life of guitar
> pedals but "outlawing" all talk of hardware in general is a step too far for
> my tastes.

i wast citing mr. grain, replacing politics by hardware. i think neither should be "outlawed".

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> That said, someone on another list posted to the effect that the three 
> most taboo topics on any mailing list are 1) politics 2) religion and 3) 
> whether religion and/or politics should be discussed on a particular 
> mailing list.

You forgot one: promo e-mails.
 
It seems that the people who complain the most about "off topic" e-mails 
are often the ones that haven't been on this list very long. This list group 
has always discussed politics in one way or another, just as it has 
always had promo posts for music pertaining to the focus of this list 
group. I would actually be surprised if I didn't see anyone talking about
the US election here. I would think that one main purpose of discussing 
such things here is to hear how people in this sound art community feel 
about certain current issues. If I want to hear how people outside of this 
community feel about it, then that's when I would go to a different forum.
 
Oh, and I just found copies of the latest Richard Chartier release and 
Steinbruchel's Circa (now out of print). As is often the case with these 
artists, very nice works! I'm looking forward to hearing Ralph's latest 
release on BineMusic. I've also been listening to Broadcast a lot lately...
:)

 
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As for myself, I too am not usually prone to political comments on 
public forums, but being a citizen of the US (and non-partisan), I feel that 
this is indeed a travesty. For those who voted for the Bush administration 
or vote Republican please try to understand that the majority of Republican politicians spend way too much time trying to force the rest of the country (and world) to live and think the way they do by trying to implement and pass far reaching bills into law that encroach upon people's liberties while preaching in the name of "freedom". And what about the environment? I'm constantly signing petitions against Republican led bills that don't take the global environment into important consideration. And the list goes on and on...
 
The Bush administration has painted themselves into a corner by 
extending their term. They now have to face the catastrophies they've 
caused during the first 4 years and try to turn things around or face the 
wrath of its own country and the world. 
 
Ok, I'm done. If you've made it this far, thanks for reading.
 
Best Wishes to all, Dale
 


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>>i am shocked and 
>>horrified by the lack of thinking of 50% of this population. the 
>>ignorant, greedy, and intolerant have spoken by succumbing to the 
>> fear mongering and zealotry of his administration's campaign.

> It was at this point that I stopped reading peoples messages and
> started deleting. How small minded of you to generalise in such a way.

Well, with all due respect Rob, I think it's rather small minded and easy 
for someone in another country to criticize the feelings of someone 
else who lives in one such as this one at a time such as this. This is a 
huge far reaching issue that will effect generations to come, whether 
they are .micronauts or the average Jane or Joe who doesn't give a f
flying iota about micro-lowercase or whatever-you-wanna-call-it type of 
music.
 
The same goes for people who would rather read the posts by .micropundits who flex and exercise their mental muscles with politico-philosophical discourse. Have patience. It's all good.
 
Best, Dale

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what has been interesting to me in all the recent posts related to 
politics/fascism/futurists, etc. (and which was my original interest 
and motivation in participating in said discussion) is in discovering 
and discussing the relationship of microsound techniques/aesthetics of 
the practicioners on the list to an underlying purist "fascism".

Ian Andrews mentioned that John Cage once described minimalist music as 
fascist. In many discussions on the list there are typically posts that 
tend to place "true" microsound practices solely in the realm of "pure" 
programming and mathematics, discounting those whose artistic practice 
utilizes a more inclusive palette of techniques, sources and approaches.

I have always identified with the use of the "post-digital" term, since 
for me it seemed to cut the tether on much of this purist approach to 
making music with digital technology, in much the same way that 
"post-modern" seemed to signify a break with the modernist approach 
where very stringent rules surrounding materials, tools and aesthetic 
approaches gradually shifted creative output into very narrow and 
increasingly irrelevant terrain.

I often get the impression on this list that many practicioners of 
"microsound" place themselves in a similar position aesthetically.

Not to discount the variety and diversity of approaches to audio 
production and music composition I am exposed to via this list, there 
does at times, arise a foul scent of fascism (per Cage's use of the 
term).


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i want to echo what was noted earlier--to my mind, the political extends 
to thinking about any and all of the various modes that shape your sense 
of imbrication in the world, your view of the world itself, etc.  

this encompasses the modes of taking a distance on the tradition 
relative to which one works when structuring sound---being able to 
understand a tradition as a set of devices to be referred to, as 
materials and rules that can be manipulated, violated, crossed and 
recrossed is a function of a mode of engagement that is in itself 
political.  
from this viewpoint, it does not matter if that sense of 
authorization--which underpins the ability to operate at a distance from 
modes of thinking that present themselves as dominant--is worked out 
practically or explicitly.
nor does it matter whether individual cultural workers make for 
themselves a distinction between what their work is and politics in the 
conventional sense--this would be understood as an option within the 
wider field of the political.  it would not work to make a seperation in 
principle between cultural production and the political.

it is interesting that this cultural politics--for lack of a better 
shorthand--may or may not cross with, may or may not be informed by 
positions articulated in the field of "politics" (in the narrower sense.
for me, at least, this split is in itself a symptom of the situation in 
which we operate.  
it is a matter than can and--for me at least--should be thought about.  
thinking about the conditions of possibility of this split and the 
effects of it is an avenue for working out a different type of 
reflexivity in my work.  

so i do not see any grounds for attempts to police the content of this 
list by trying to drive a wedge between matters that pertain to how you 
operate with reference to sound and those matters that, directly or 
indirectly, serve to socially situate that way of operating.



most of the people i know who are engaged with making things and who 
find themselves, for one reason or another, stranded in the states are 
actively engaged with trying to work out how to continue functioning in 
an appalling political context.  i see this as a necessary period of 
adjustment.  i think this period of adjustment itself raises interesting 
questions about the political nature of producing music.

i do not see it becoming a permanent feature of every discussion.

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zot,
 
>> However, I think it's fair to qualify Mussolini's fascism from Hitler's Nazi
>> party and its fascism. The level of street violence practiced by _any_
>> political party at the time is unbelievable, whether fascist, imperialist,
>> communist, anarchist, etc. There is a context to be carefully observed here
>> because it is twisted with our own.
> 
> I would be very careful in attempting to put a positive gloss on Mussolini's
> Fascism.

Just for the record: I never mentioned such a positivity. Only a
distinction.

> The politics of Mussolini's Fascist party privileged the rights of
> the strong over the weak in a similar way to the Nazis. Hence they
> victimised the sick and disabled, Gypsies, etc. They were just as inhuman in
> this regard.

Agreed--

More aptly, Human, All Too Human (Nietzsche).


> Nor should we abandon
> the works of Heidegger and De Man, who also fell under the spell of Fascism.

Then there's T.S. Eliot, whom I think was profoundly more belligerently
fascist than de Man (whom I would hesitate to call a fascist, after finally
getting around to reading his contested newspaper columns), and Heidegger,
whom I think thought was doing something rather different than what was
going on, his Rectorship speech notwithstanding. Eliot actively supported
the fascists.

But again, historical context: other fascist supporters included the ex-King
of England, Edward VIII, and a good number of European politicians who saw
it as a way to revitalize the glory of Europe. This doesn't excuse it. It
just places it in the same light we need to view neoconservatism today: a
lot of people accept it and like it.

In one of the 2003 issues of PMLA (you'll excuse me if I can't remember.. I
tried to find it but I think I lent away my copies) there is a new
translation of one of Eliot's Cantos with a summary as to the radio
broadcasts he was producing at the time for Mussolini. The imagery is
extraordinarily violent. And I so love "The Wasteland"!

In any case, I will try and hunt it down. The connection of Eliot's
difficult imagery (he alluded to much in few words) to radio (his rants, his
broadcasts) I think are interesting here in terms of connecting to the
emerging systems of dissemination, ie of technology and its system of
spreading itself around, which we often take for granted today. Microsound
and digital systems are a descendent of this thinking .. Brian Massumi has
an interesting chapter on the analogue/digital distinction worth reading in
_Parables for the Virtual_ where, although he defends the digital from being
called totalitarian, recognises its strictly delimiting schema of
_possibilities_.

For Massumi, the digital is _less_ connected to the virtual (potential) than
the analogue. This is, btw, a strong argument against anyone trying to
connect microsound to Deleuze. The internet is NOT a rhizome; it is a system
of possibilities. Its potential, argues Massumi, is always analogue: it
arises when WE interact with a system of possibilities.

I think this can tie into thoughts on futurism, early radio, Marinetti...

There's more to it but I've got to run.

best,

    tV
 


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Yes.

Pound. Pound. Pound.


My mistake; either too much or too little coffee this morning.

(Was Eliot also inclined toward fascism? I won't trust my memory at the
moment;)

Thanks for the correction.

Geesh.

best, tV

> hi
> 
> ( 04.11.05 10:40 -0500 ) tobias c. van Veen:
>> Then there's T.S. Eliot, whom I think was profoundly more belligerently
>> fascist than de Man
>> there is a new
>> translation of one of Eliot's Cantos with a summary as to the radio
>> broadcasts he was producing at the time for Mussolini.
> 
> don't you mean ezra pound?



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hi

( 04.11.05 10:40 -0500 ) tobias c. van Veen:
> Then there's T.S. Eliot, whom I think was profoundly more belligerently
> fascist than de Man
> there is a new
> translation of one of Eliot's Cantos with a summary as to the radio
> broadcasts he was producing at the time for Mussolini.

don't you mean ezra pound?

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S P R A W L  November 2004 bulletin
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SPRAWL at the Charterhouse Bar

** THE LAST SPRAWL OF 2004! **

DATE: weds 10th November

live line up:

FM3 (Bip Hop, Staalplaat)  - live
fm3 play quiet music. very, very quiet music. The kind of music that
turns up your ears and makes you sit. Very, very still... Some
reviewers describe fm3's live act as "daring." Audience members
often call it "cathartic." Others say listening to fm3 is painful... fm3 is
US-born but long-term China resident Christiaan Virant. Active
in the Beijing music underground for nearly a decade, Virant
founded fm3 in late 1999 as China's first-ever experiment in live,
abstract electronica. Working with lo-fi computer software and
a host of home-built instruments, fm3 distills ancient Chinese
folk tradition into a barely-there organic glow.

GAVIN STARKS - live
After being Experimental Officer at radio telescope
Jodrell bank (with a degree in Radio Astronomy), Gavin now
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cosmological radio recordings - he recently performed some
pieces at the Virac telesope in Latvia -  and is known also as a software
developer, internet broadcaster, studio consultant, investigator
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IRIS GARRELFS (Bip Hop) - live
Iris Garrelfs (formerly BitTonic), musician and co-curator of Sprawl; has
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and others.  She has also played at the CCA, ICA, the Scala, Podewil (Berlin)
The Batofar (Paris), plus created installations for Glasgow's CCA,
Watermans art centre, Marseille's Arborescence festival, Reading's Art at
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VENUE
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Next Sprawls in 2005:
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On the radio:
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R.I.P. JOHN PEEL; thanks for opening my ears. (douglas)


[] some related artist activities

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si-cut.db, Iris Garrelfs - live/dj sets
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NOV 26
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DEC 3
IRIS GARRELFS + KAFFE MATTHEWS
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SI-CUT.DB live + DJ xx@xxx-xxx.xxx (fr.)
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JAN 15
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si-cut.db / iris garrelfs - releases
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JUST OUT
RT-32 Acoustic.Space.Lab: Radio Astronomy DVD/CD with tracks
constructed data from the VIRAC radio telescope by IRIS GARRELFS,
TENNIS, SI-CUT.DB, scanner, kaffe matthews, rosy parlane + more
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SI-CUT.DB remix of Pan/tone's 'Sans Adore'
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on Bip Hop [bleep 26/27] http://www.bip-hop.com

CURRENT
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Part 1 of a 3 CD/download set to be continued...
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ON ITUNES:
SI-CUT.DB album 'find some shade'
on Highpointlowlife, CD (hpll 006) mastered by Twerk.
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si-cut.db back catalogue & rarities can now be paid via paypal
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FUTURE
SI-CUT.DB: free downloads: on thinnerism.com
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new album on bip-hop, mastered by Twerk.
IRIS GARRELFS: debut album due on Bip Hop

================================
TENNIS (si-cut.db + benge)
================================

OUT NOW:
RT-32 Acoustic.Space.Lab : Radio Astronomy CD/DVD
see above.

Upcoming tracks for Bip Hop generaton v.8 CD, and
and the Tribryd unMix CD project, all TBA

CURRENT:  'FURLINES' double CD including remixes
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ALSO: original 1st Tennis album Wooden Sweets
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I don't really see my question as off-topic - because:

I primarily use software synth (Csound et. al.), but Csound is so designed 
as to enable LIVE use with MIDI controllers.

Seeing as how there's been some discussion of live performance,
I was curious as to the technical details of how it's done, using software 
sythisizers and MIDI controllers to tweak parameters live (NOT the same as 
hardware synth).  What gear gets you there?
I'm not much of a gear head, so any advice would be appreciated.

If this topic annoys you, please ignore it.
Off-list replies are fine too: thanks to those who already took the effort 
to do so.

>From: mik <xxxxx@xxx.xx>
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>a certain "Kassen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> wrote:
> > mik thinks;
> >
> > > there are plenty of other mailing lists and online
> > > discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on this 
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> > > spare us from hardware issues.
> >
>
> > Though the technique may at it´s core be the same, I asure you manually
> > controling it gives it a different feel from programing it all and a 
>Serge
> > recorded to tape sounds quite different from, say, Csound rendered to 
>hd. I
> > strongly feel that arteficially limiting ourselves to just computer 
>based
> > systems is counterproductive. Admittedly there would be better places to
> > compare the feel of different stage pianos or the batery life of guitar
> > pedals but "outlawing" all talk of hardware in general is a step too far 
>for
> > my tastes.
>
>i wast citing mr. grain, replacing politics by hardware. i think neither 
>should be "outlawed".
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hi

( 04.11.05 10:50 -0500 ) tobias c. van Veen:
> (Was Eliot also inclined toward fascism? I won't trust my memory at the
> moment;)

not at all- he was so english [even though born in america] there is a
commemorative stone in westminster abbey in london.

of course, if you take fascism in a more generic sense [esp wrt
authority], he certainly had fascist leanings.

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At 9:49 PM -0500 11/4/04, david golightly wrote:
>I second that... I know everyone's feeling strongly about the 
>election right now (myself included) but there are plenty of other 
>mailing lists and online discussions pertaining to this topic, and 
>most of us count on this list to spare us from politics.

This is a fairly typical and reasonably stated example of an 
objection to political discussion on a special-interest discussion 
list, so I'll comment on it:

One reason people with strong political feelings participate in 
political discussions on nominally non-political lists is in order to 
get a particular "take" on a situation or philosophical polarity. To 
take the discussion from this microsound community to (for example) a 
Rush Limbaugh list or a Noam Chomsky list would be to have a 
different discussion. In other words, those who wish to discuss 
politics here do so because they want to discuss them here, not just 
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"Futurism on the one hand and religious apocalypticism
 on the other are also defining a current
aesthetic-political spectrum that merges in the mix of
the digital."

This is interesting. Could you eleborate what you
mean, with perhaps examples?  I wonder if this
formulation may be conflating a *root* of current
sensibilities (particularly in digital music of late),
futurism, with a current (last 20 or so years) of
Apocalyptic imagination and imagery.  Most current
music and digital art doesn't really share futurist
ideas and concerns though it may have a significant
formal set of practices that can be traced back. It
seems like current aesthetic sensibilities (in music
and otherwise) overwhelmingly harbor a strong degree
of doubt/reticence in the Great Future, rather then a
kind of manic enthusiasm for it (as something
desirable and life-giving).  
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Fair enough.  After such an election, it's no surprise that people 
everywhere are somewhat distracted.

It's just been my experience that such discussions have an unfortunate 
tendency to degenerate into vitriol quite quickly, and have a way of 
damaging the goodwill on the list.

though I must commend fellow microsounders for keeping it above the belt 
thus far- the thread on futurists/fascists is especially interesting.

I'll keep my complaints to myself, then.

>From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>
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>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:08:18 -0800
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>At 9:49 PM -0500 11/4/04, david golightly wrote:
>>I second that... I know everyone's feeling strongly about the election 
>>right now (myself included) but there are plenty of other mailing lists 
>>and online discussions pertaining to this topic, and most of us count on 
>>this list to spare us from politics.
>
>This is a fairly typical and reasonably stated example of an objection to 
>political discussion on a special-interest discussion list, so I'll comment 
>on it:
>
>One reason people with strong political feelings participate in political 
>discussions on nominally non-political lists is in order to get a 
>particular "take" on a situation or philosophical polarity. To take the 
>discussion from this microsound community to (for example) a Rush Limbaugh 
>list or a Noam Chomsky list would be to have a different discussion. In 
>other words, those who wish to discuss politics here do so because they 
>want to discuss them here, not just because they want to discuss politics.
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Please, please, I am surprised that event Tobias doesn't underline a 
crucial point regarding futurist ideas about music versus fascism: 
Luidgi Russolo, author of L'arte dei rumori, was opposed to fascism 
and flew to Paris between 1927-32.

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david golightly wrote:
> Now, to hardware...
> I'm looking to spend less than US$1500 on good hardware for live 
> electronic performance.  I've been doing electronic music for years now, 
> but only recording stuff to CD, then playing it back live... it's no fun 
> for subjecting an audience to.
> I require:
> 
> -a laptop (PC/Windows pref.)
I would go Apple, so far the best price / cpu / display / battery power 
consumption relation but I didn't checked out so far realtime CSound on 
it, I use CSound always 'offline'. If you insist, Asus if one you should 
look, btw. they build also Powerbooks for Apple.
1024x768 feels a bit small, I would try to get more Pixels. And beware, 
14inch doesn't mean necessarly that there are more pixels on it, they 
might be just bigger!
If you want your laptop to be mobile, take care about the battery 
consumption. Cheapo Notebooks got Desktopcpus in it like Pentium 4 which 
eats your battery in less than a hour! This is not what a notebook is 
for. 512mbs memory should be inside so your OS (which also could be 
Linux, dont want to start a flamewar but M$ is seriously dangerous!) 
doesnt start to swap on the harddisk and waste more electricity.
look here:
http://notebookforums.com

> -a MIDI controller device (M-Audio or Behringer?)
Doepfer is good too, they have even boards available which lets you 
create your own rather easy.
Phillip Rees Faderbox is to avoid in my opinion.
http://www.doepfer.de
> -a soundcard (USB ok)
> -anything I'm missing?
> 
> I'm fine with renting speakers/pwr amp for now, but the above is what 
Doesn't comes that usually from the organisers/ venue? I remember times 
where you get a reasonable amount of money as a fee for performing,
then lot of clubs cut it down to just the travelling costs, recently 
even this is cut (you know, the economy, 9/11...), do we have now to 
bring own speakers too :) .

sad times,

Malte


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Aimé  wrote:
 
> Please, please, I am surprised that event Tobias doesn't underline a
> crucial point regarding futurist ideas about music versus fascism:
> Luidgi Russolo, author of L'arte dei rumori, was opposed to fascism
> and flew to Paris between 1927-32.

True, although that was much later. His work on the intonarumori began in
the early 1900s, with publication of 'The Art of Noises', it seems, in 1913.
AFAIK, and from what I've read, Russolo supported Marinetti through World
War I, that is, through the formation of the Italian fascist party, the
black shirts, etc. Don't forget Italian fascism had peaked by the time WWII
came along; it was already on its last legs (the Pound cantos I am thinking
of reference the old glory of the March on Rome, which was in 1922). That's
thirty years worth of history before WWII.. One wondered if Russolo fled
because of the impending war and the failure of fascism than fleeing _from_
it. One would need to do some historical in-depth research here, reading
letters, analyses, accounts, etc. Anyone have any references?

In any case, I think it's fair to argue that (Italian) fascism and futurism,
musical or visual, are inextricably linked. This doesn't necessitate cause;
rather it draws attention to the beauty of authoritarian structure, or
rather, the way in which such structure conditioned the possibilities of
beauty at the early 20th. We all love to depict Rome, whether in its rise,
fall or decadence... doubtful, however, that any of us would have really
wanted to live through the Empire, now that we're experiencing one of our
own.

Douglas Kahn makes a good case to remember Russolo -- his 'art of noises'
was often mistakenly attributed to Marinetti -- in _Noise Water Meat_.


best,

    tV



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> "Futurism on the one hand and religious apocalypticism
> on the other are also defining a current
> aesthetic-political spectrum that merges in the mix of
> the digital."
> 
> This is interesting. Could you eleborate what you
> mean, with perhaps examples?  I wonder if this
> formulation may be conflating a *root* of current
> sensibilities (particularly in digital music of late),
> futurism, with a current (last 20 or so years) of
> Apocalyptic imagination and imagery.  Most current
> music and digital art doesn't really share futurist
> ideas and concerns though it may have a significant
> formal set of practices that can be traced back. It
> seems like current aesthetic sensibilities (in music
> and otherwise) overwhelmingly harbor a strong degree
> of doubt/reticence in the Great Future, rather then a
> kind of manic enthusiasm for it (as something
> desirable and life-giving).
> - andrew

hi List and andrew,

I'd like to explain more here but I'm rather short on time at the moment. I
dislike doing this, but the paper is available as part of the _Unsorted:
Sonic Acts X_ volume, which is available at the V2 Store, Rotterdam:

    http://store.v2.nl

Search:  ' Unsorted ':

http://store.v2.nl/V2_Store/browse/FMPro?-db=products.fp3&-format=detail.htm
l&-lay=cgi&-sortfield=name&-sortorder=descend&-op=cn&x=22&y=10&all=unsorted&
-recid=43999&-token=12655803&-find


[If you are unable to order a copy, let me know.]


+++


Another option is that  I am looking for a place to publish the actual talk
I gave at Sonic Acts X which acts as a preface to the article. An online
journal with free access would be best -- then this could go online, and you
could all read it. Any takers?

+++

Only a short comment: I wouldn't say that the Futurists were all that
positive toward the future. There is a dark apocalypticism to Futurism, to
fascisms of all kinds as well. They embraced noise, speed, abstraction,
metal, guns, modern warfare: that is, they embraced destruction, much like
DADA, the Cabaret Voltaire, Bruitism, etc. A revolution: 360 degrees, burned
to the ground the history of classicism and truth, to invest new truths in
gasoline, aeroplanes, acceleration.

That is they uncritically embraced emergent technology. So did  Proust--the
aesthetic doesn't necessitate a particular expression. And that's a trend
all too prevalent at the moment in new media circles, specifically aspects
of locative and mobile media, laptop performance, etc. Futurism, via the
manifesto, also sought to delimit various contexts for reception and the
essence of art. This bears some relation to claims made today concering the
essence and proper reception of microsound, for example.

Of course that Heidegger became critical of technology as delimiting the way
in which we 'be' in the world might be read as a critique of his fascism.
("The Question Concerning Technology" -- kind of cliché, but still
brilliant).

But the argument is far from clear-cut nor causal. It requires a kind of
analysis that links ideas, institutions, practices, much like Foucault tried
to do.. it's begun in the above paper and talk.

Enough from me! I am sure the rest of you have much to add here .. I await
with pleasure your discoveries.

best,

    tobias



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on 11/4/04 9:42 PM, Phil Thomson at xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:

> [snip]
> 
>> Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of the three
>> autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
>> logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own terms. This
>> is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
>> determined predominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses an
>> equally dangerous outcome.
> 
> True enough, and well put, but is "fascism" really the right term here?
> What does Islamic fundamentalism have to do with a bundle of sticks?
> 
> P


 phil darling, 


  the bunch of sticks symbolizes: 'united we stand , divided we fall" , from
ancient rome , probably.

  you know that meteor that followers of islam make the pilgrimage in order
to kiss?

  one day (many years before your time) mohammed wanted to move that rock to
a central location (this is the way the story was told to me , anyway...)
since it had significance to the various desert tribes who were quarrelling.


 they got the rock under the blanket and each tribe leader grabbed a corner
and the weight was moved successfully.


 maybe it was a statue and not the meteor. the story is probably in the
kurash (a word i don't find in my dictionary. i do know that i'm using
os9.2.2 and for some reason my computer kurashed 15 times writing this
message , otherwise i'd look it up using google to make sure i got the
correct spelling.) .



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One solution to this would be to use the .microsound TWiki. At moment there 
seems to be some restrictions on the size of uploaded documents but this 
surely must be fixed if we are to use the TWiki as a creative environment.

/Björn Eriksson

>Another option is that  I am looking for a place to publish the actual talk
>I gave at Sonic Acts X which acts as a preface to the article. An online
>journal with free access would be best -- then this could go online, and 
>you
>could all read it. Any takers?
>
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:08:18 -0800, Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:

> One reason people with strong political feelings participate in
> political discussions on nominally non-political lists is in order to
> get a particular "take" on a situation or philosophical polarity. To
> take the discussion from this microsound community to (for example) a
> Rush Limbaugh list or a Noam Chomsky list would be to have a
> different discussion. In other words, those who wish to discuss
> politics here do so because they want to discuss them here, not just
> because they want to discuss politics.

Exactly Richard.  Politics is one of the dimensions of our reality. 
As is sexuality, race, food, work, travel, and of course, music. 
People don't compartmentalize these categories in their brains and
join discussion boards to engage each of them separately.  They all
exist simultaneously within the person.  A number of people say that
the discussion of politics leads toward greater friction on email
lists and elsewhere.  the refusal to allow such discussion also leads
toward friction.  It turns people into "topic-policemen."  One once
again faces the admonition of the state rather than the support of a
community.  The fact of the matter is that the current politics of the
US affects everybody on an almost daily basis.  It affects one's
feeling of freedom in expression.  It affects one's creativity.  To
tell someone to take their politics off-list during seriously
troubling times is to tell them to take their life off-list.  It's to
effectively be off-list all the time.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:38:23 +0000 (UTC), Phil Thomson
<xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:

> That said, someone on another list posted to the effect that the three
> most taboo topics on any mailing list are 1) politics 2) religion and 3)
> whether religion and/or politics should be discussed on a particular
> mailing list.

These are also the most invoked taboo categories for engaging in
discussion with Americans as reported in general textbooks that are
used to teach about American culture to people from other societies. 
Except for the third one.  Effectively, such books say that one should
never discuss politics, religion, or how much money one makes with
Americans that one does not know well.  So when Americans tell you to
shut up about politics on discussion boards, what they are really
doing is enforcing their own cultural mores on everyone else,
including themselves and their compatriots, and are completely unaware
of it.  And the irony of it all is that if there is one society in
serious need of a very honest, deep, sincere, and probing discussion
of politics right now, it's the people of the US.  America is a
society (and I include myself here) which is gripped with a huge
political psychosis right now that it refuses to address in a
responsible and proactive way, and the demand for silence about it on
an email list is just one more symptom of the bigger problem.

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>America is a society (and I include myself here) which is gripped with a huge
>political psychosis right now that it refuses to address in a
>responsible and proactive way, and the demand for silence about it on
>an email list is just one more symptom of the bigger problem.
-In light of this disscussion, I found this very interesting to read:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1343956,00.html

I believe that this does not mean it's specific American.
It's it probably as old as as a long 'civilization' exists (if it does
at all - reminded of Gandhi's reply to the question: "what about western
(english) civilization?" - that would be an interesting idea...).


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odd, not sure whats up... the link went to a site where people are posting 
pictures of themselves with hand written apologies to the world, really cool 
grassroots stuff, and know it seems the site is gone???

>http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
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gallery1f (structuredsound.net/gallery1f/) is
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our inaugural event as an online art space will be a
juried show of works in many media which deal with the
transition of offline to online, analog to digital,
material to data.  we hope to support and host works
which address issues of sampling, sublimation,
encoding and decoding.

this is an open call to submit works and/or proposals
in
sound/writing/video/flash/javascript/photography/etc.
 deadline for proposal submission is friday december
17th.  the show will open in late december/early
january.  if your proposal is dependent on exotic
technology, please submit early and allow us to
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On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:23 PM, WATFIV wrote:

> Correction: only 20% of the U.S. voted for Bush, the other 20-% for
> Kerry. The rest of the us couldn't be bothered. Education and civic
> responsibility are at the heart of the U.S.'s problems, IMHO.

If choosing between Bush and Bush-lite is civic responsibility, then I 
want no part of it.

I did vote... not for either of them though.

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On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:26 PM, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:

> i think (maybe i am alone) people's personal opinions regarding only 
> democracy, political parties, voters, beliefs and morals or LACK of 
> any, do not belong on this list.

I personally think such discussion is just fine. It's all titled and 
tagged with OT, so if you don't want to read it, simply toss it and be 
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On Nov 5, 2004, at 5:39 AM, Marco Messina wrote:

> I don’ t see any difference from decapitating a reporter or bombing and
> killing thousands civilians
>
> Marco messina

I do. In one case, a group is resisting an illegal occupation of their 
country against a much superior force by any means necessary.
In the other case, you have needless imperialist aggression against a 
once-sovereign nation.

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On Nov 5, 2004, at 12:08 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:

> In other words, those who wish to discuss politics here do so because 
> they want to discuss them here, not just because they want to discuss 
> politics.

That's exactly it. Thank you for pointing that out.

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Marco Messina wrote:
>>I don’ t see any difference from decapitating a reporter or bombing and 
>>killing thousands civilians
>>
>>Marco messina


Then somebody wrote :
>I do. In one case, a group is resisting an illegal occupation of their 
>country against a much superior force by any means necessary.
>In the other case, you have needless imperialist aggression against a 
>once-sovereign nation.
>
>- John


That's a beautiful mathematic explanation !
One reporter = 1000 civilians

9/11 : 4000 civilans dead in 2 towers

4000 x 1000 = 4 000 000 civilans to kill.

After, an eye for an eye, ...
1000 eyes for one eye.

No other solution ?!
America, freedom for everyone !!! ;-)

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On Nov 6, 2004, at 4:19 AM, Sébastien Hayez wrote:

> That's a beautiful mathematic explanation !
> One reporter = 1000 civilians
>
> 9/11 : 4000 civilans dead in 2 towers
>
> 4000 x 1000 = 4 000 000 civilans to kill.

If the "insurgents" are using the same formula, that's 100,000+ Iraqi 
civilians dead by the latest estimates, which means a comfortable 
100,000,000 American civilians to kill at least. That's not taking into 
account the sanctions of course... if you do that, we've killed more 
Iraqis than Saddam himself. With the help of a few others nations of 
course. Thanks Mr. Blair.

- John

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woooo...you ever walk out of a room for coffee and
come back and the atmosphere has completely changed!

looks like the election has hit this list too (seems
to be everywhere at the moment)...

anyway, i've lurked here for a while but have been
away from the list during the past few months during
my move...

but still, i wanted to let anyone near/in scotland
know that i'm hosting an experimental music night once
a month in aberdeen scotland.  seems that i've arrived
here just at the beginning of some interesting
developments.  as with fringe music it's often hard to
find where like-minded folks are...

so if that's you and you'd like to hear or participate
please give me an email at
xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx ...there's some details
on my site at :
http://billthompson.org/experimentalmusicshowcase.htm

also, if there's any field recordists on the list that
haven't got the call for works on phonography, we're
hosting a show for that in january too.

these aren't paying gigs i'm afraid, just for the
sheer joy of playing to a small group of people who
need to hear what you're doing, but maybe that will
change in the future.

cheers,

b.






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>>>These are also the most invoked taboo categories
for engaging in
discussion with Americans as reported in general
textbooks that are
used to teach about American culture to people from
other societies. 
Except for the third one>>>

way to generalize the entire american people! (always
trust those textbooks, :))

bill thompson
amercan expat
democrat
straight, gay friendly
buhddist (non-sitting)
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thanks for your comments henk. I think you have really defined fascism 
in a way far more incisive than my feeble attempts. You have offered a 
concrete example of fascism in action. bravo and touche!

On Friday, Nov 5, 2004, at 21:16 Australia/Sydney, henk b wrote:

> "Microsound is an unmediated mailing list dedicated to informed 
> comment and
> discussion of experimental digital and post-digital music."
>
> if i want to join a newsgroup or a forum about politics i would, but 
> not
> here on this one please
>
> henk
>
>> Van: Ian Andrews <x.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
>> Beantwoord: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Datum: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:03:48 +1100
>> Aan: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [microsound] Re: futurists + fascistas
>>
>> tobias c. van Veenwrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hola list et al,
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, the futurists _were_ fascists; that's not contention but 
>>> fact.
>>> Marinetti was an avid supporter of Mussolini, in word and deed, and 
>>> the
>>> futurists embraced World War I.
>>
>> absolutely!
>>
>>> However, I think it's fair to qualify Mussolini's fascism from 
>>> Hitler's Nazi
>>> party and its fascism. The level of street violence practiced by 
>>> _any_
>>> political party at the time is unbelievable, whether fascist, 
>>> imperialist,
>>> communist, anarchist, etc. There is a context to be carefully 
>>> observed here
>>> because it is twisted with our own.
>>
>> I would be very careful in attempting to put a positive gloss on 
>> Mussolini's
>> Fascism. The politics of Mussolini's Fascist party privileged the 
>> rights of
>> the strong over the weak in a similar way to the Nazis. Hence they
>> victimised the sick and disabled, Gypsies, etc. They were just as 
>> inhuman in
>> this regard.
>>>
>>> Also, thinking here of another post, futurism is not fascism nor is 
>>> it
>>> conservatism nor neoconservatism.
>>
>> Some have called it Fascism (I'm thinking of Walter Benjamin's famous
>> remark) and I'm not sure that they are wrong. Futurism was guilty of
>> aestheticising politics (this was Benjamin's contention). This
>> aestheticisation of politics proceeded by the systematic application 
>> of
>> aesthetic judgements (judgements of taste) directly to political 
>> ideology.
>> Thus they  glorified war as the supreme aesthetic/political 
>> experience. The
>> Nazis similarly aestheticised politics and this resulted in their 
>> being able
>> to presecute anyone not conforming to the aesthetic ideals of "racial
>> purity."
>> Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of 
>> the three
>> autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
>> logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own 
>> terms. This
>> is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
>> determined prdominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses 
>> an
>> equally dangerous outcome.
>>
>> However, although the Futurists were Fascists, an although Futurism 
>> was
>> (arguably) a fascist ideology, this should not prevent us from 
>> examining
>> their ideas and gaining something from this process. Nor should we 
>> abandon
>> the works of Heidegger and De Man, who also fell under the spell of 
>> Fascism.
>>
>> ian
>>>
>>
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"Captain Ahab," said Starbuck, who, with Stubb and Flask, had thus far
been eyeing his superior with increasing surprise, but at last seemed
struck with a thought which somewhat explained all the wonder.  "Captain
Ahab, I have heard of Moby Dick- but it was not Moby Dick that took off
thy leg?"

"Who told thee that?" cried Ahab; then pausing, "Aye Starbuck; aye, my
hearties all round; it was Moby Dick that dismasted me; Moby Dick that
brought me to this dead stump I stand on now.  Aye, aye," he shouted
with a terrific, loud, animal sob, like that of a heart-stricken moose;
"Aye, aye! it was that accursed white whale that razeed me; made a poor
pegging lubber of me for ever and a day!" Then tossing both arms, with
measureless imprecations he shouted out: "Aye, aye! and I'll chase him
round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and
round perdition's flames before I give him up. And this is what ye have
shipped for, men! to chase that white whale on both sides of land, and
over all sides of the earth, till he spouts black blood and rolls fin
out. What say ye brave men, will ye splice hands on it, now? I think ye
do look brave."

"Aye, aye!" shouted the harpooneers and seamen, running closer to the
excited old man: "A sharp eye for the White Whale; a sharp lance for
Moby Dick!"

"God bless ye," he seemd to half sob and half shout.  "God bless ye ,
men."

Herman Melville. _Moby Dick_, 1851

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Tell it, brother...  :)

 

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I did vote... not for either of them though.

 

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I basically agree.  For me (as others), its the vitriol, finely ground 
or chunk flung, that inevitably accompanies 90% of such discussions, often 
after the first or second salvo.  So many intelligent people often have so 
many un-intelligent discussions, consumed with their own agendas rather than 
reaching out and communicating.  Its like watching people try to beat each 
other up and basically only get exhausted in the process.  Although I 
wouldn't characterize the recent discussion here quite like that as of now, 
thankfully.

 

Really, in this country connections need to be formed between the 
coast-dwellers and the heartland folk.  Real dialogue in this area may be 
our only hope.

 

-matt

 

NR: Russell Edson, The Tormented Mirror.  
Hilarious!


I personally think such discussion is just fine. It's all titled and 

tagged with OT, so if you don't want to read it, simply toss it and be 


done. Microsound is as much a community as anything else, and members 


of a community tend to like to discuss things outside the topic 

sometimes... or should I say that I hope they do at least!

 

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Dear Friends,

we play on 20 November 2004; 17hrs
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at Landowski Espace
Salle des Conferences 
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92104 Boulogne-Billancourt
Paris, France  
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and

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Dear Friends,

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on 21 November 2004
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I have been following this thread and I totally understand the point of 
view that this list is not the place for political discussions.  
However, in this case, at least for anyone living in the US, the impact 
is so great that I think it's necessary for us all to think and talk 
about how our art will and should be affected by these developments.

Personally I think the left has spent too much time pandering to the 
right wing's anti-intellectual, anti-science, and religious 
fundamentalist factions.  While we found out this week that those 
groups are more powerful than ever imagined (1 out of 3 Americans 
describes themselves as "Fundamentalist Christian"!), it's still 
crucial for the left to maintain some kind of clear definition of 
itself in order to keep our democracy intact.  That's important for all 
of us, especially artists!  I think the right wing fundamentalist 
ideology is in direct opposition to the kind of exploratory thinking 
and spirit of experimentation which characterizes this list.

So what can artists do other than make overtly political works?  (which 
I have done a lot of lately)  Like the political left, I think we need 
to focus on the differences between our work and the kind of retro 
ideas espoused by the political and musical "right wing".  Basically 
make what we do so seductive and so subversive that it's irresistible.  
  As Beuys said, art has to act as a weathervane for society, to direct 
culture forward.  Otherwise we just end up giving into some kind of 
Medieval sensibility that believes in solving problems through religion 
and intuition rather than rational thinking.  That doesn't work for me.

Ben Neill
www.benneill.com

> "i think (maybe i am alone) people's personal opinions regarding
> *_only_* democracy, political parties, voters, beliefs and morals or
> LACK of any, do not belong on this list. i am certain if you must vent
> to another member, it can be done offlist." posted earlier by 
> datetmyer-
>
> exactly my sentiments as well. that is why i stated opinions regarding
> ONLY etc etc. i think somebody earlier posted that what if 'politics is
> their motivation for inspiration at this time' (or something to that
> effect). this i do not mind and find welcoming, for ANYTHING that
> motivates ones creativeness, is open to discussion for me. or in my
> case, reading from the shadows  : P
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if people voted for who they thought best represented their ideologies, then
there's no need to apologize, i think. if anything it's bush that should be
doing the apologizing, not the sane, rational and progressive individuals who
tried to vote the dark lord of the sith out.

my 2 cents...

g.

scott allison wrote:

> odd, not sure whats up... the link went to a site where people are posting
> pictures of themselves with hand written apologies to the world, really cool
> grassroots stuff, and know it seems the site is gone???
>
> >http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
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>http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
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Greetings!

Trying to compile a list of Net Labels with a focus on
the ambient electronic. Any links/help would be
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Thanks!
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>Ian Andrews mentioned that John Cage once described
minimalist music as 
>fascist.

In 1982, Cage described the music of Glen Branca that
he heard in performance as resembling fascism. Cage
was describing one particular work, not all minimalist
music. I assume Cage was referring to the drum beat
and the guitars playing the same chord, if that Branca
piece was anything like his early Symphonies.

For a few more details, see
http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/intervs/branca.html

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just saw the new video/performance work "c4i" by ryoji ikeda at rec
festival in reggio emilia (italy) and i highly recommend it: digital
humanism at its nth power... it'd be showed in nyc any day now, catch it
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hi there!
 
Greetings from Mexico City,
 
check Filtro, a Net Label from Mexico City, there are four releases right now,
 
http://www.filtro.com.mx
 
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Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
www.audiobulb.com is excellent.

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did someone already mentioned Stasisfield?
http://www.stasisfield.com/

anotherone to check out, although a wide range and piecewise releases:
http://www.plakatif.net/

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Speaking of fascism:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/11/07/1442217.shtml?tid=153&tid=226&tid=217

Absolutely unbelievable, and yet absolutely believable.

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some more, maybe obvious, but just in case:

http://www.komplott.com/
http://www.12k.com/term/
http://www.antiopic.com/  (check out the allegorical power series)
and the totally AWESOME http://www.con-v.org/

if you're interested, i've got an mp3 blog, updated infrequently with
reviews of some favorites:
http://pdm.hecanjog.com/

best,
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>Speaking of fascism:
>http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/11/07/1442217.shtml?tid=153&tid=226&tid=217
-Without trying to provoke an all out flame war:
 have you taken note of the complete discussion you are
 pointing to?
 Like:
'Complete FUD, really. (Score:5, Informative)
by krunk7 (748055) on Sunday November 07, @11:41AM (#10746767)
 econd hit on google web search for abu ghraib:
Abu Ghraib Photo's [antiwar.com] http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
Now, it is odd that their image gallery isn't equally pertinant, but I
think   it's more of a reflection on google having a poor image search
engine or
prehaps poorly maintained index....not some grand censorship conspiracy
theory.'

Seems to me 'premature commenting'...

AvS

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and also check out:
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for an overview of selected netlabels.

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Check http://www.filtro.com.mx 

is a Net Label from Mexico City, 

there are four releases for free download, 

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First time i reply so apologise me if  i'll make mistake, well btw i
lived the new video/performance work "c4i" by Ryoji Ikeda. I was
shocked, i felt like watching an horror movie... but what i was
watching were the opposite. Harmonic strings always make me shudders 
:-)
Magister Ikeda told me that all he played was little pieces of his
project... he spoke about a dvd release within some years... cross
your fingers we are in great need.

Gord The Rogue


On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:37:13 +0100, nicola catalano <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> just saw the new video/performance work "c4i" by ryoji ikeda at rec
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Hello list,

just discoverd this

http://www.faderfox.de

seems cheap but dont know the quality

Cheers,

Malte

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There's a review at http://www.em411.com/show/hardware/194
There's also a lot of info at the ableton forums, just search for 
faderfox.

k:p


On Nov 7, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Malte Steiner wrote:

> Hello list,
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> just discoverd this
>
> http://www.faderfox.de
>
> seems cheap but dont know the quality
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte
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I'm glad you feel this characterization doesn't apply to you. 
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# Saturday, 20 November 2004; 8:30 pm
Pawel Janicki's concert on
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INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL 
FOR FILM VIDEO AND NEW MEDIA
Gare du Nord 
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are shared in packets of
data information (granulated), then transmitted to selected Internet
location (as "ping" unix command).

The order of packet’s return, packet’s delays, transmission errors
alerts are incorporated, and
the information coming from these actions is controlling in the real
time the transformation of
played sound. Performance will be accompanying by visualisation, showing
tracks of data and
information of errors, etc. Dedicated software is a kind of sampler
(granular synthesizer) and
pitch tracker, which is using Internet to transform and create sound
construction. Musician is
improvising, treating software, which is transforming sound coming from
his instrument,
as a partner – a kind of second musician.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Links:
Ping Melody: http://wrocenter.pl/projects/ping/index.html 
VIPER BASEL | 2004: www.viper.ch
Gare du Nord: http://www.garedunord.ch
Imprezariat.pl: www.imprezariat.gameboyzz.com 
WRO Center for Media Art http://wrocenter.pl

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

More info:
Marta Klonowska / project manager
IMPREZARIAT.PL
www.imprezariat.gameboyzz.com
tel. 0048.601.406.977

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http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/11/07/2043207.shtml?tid=217&tid=153&tid=17

Upon reflection, it's true that Google's image search is not very good, so 
it was probably just as plausible that their index hadn't been updated as 
that they were censoring the images at the request of the state, 
especially given the political culture in the US. But apologies for 
evidently jumping to conclusions on the matter.

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Wednesday, November 10.        8:00 PM, $5-20
SpoetryFest 04: readings and musical interpretations of the accidental poetry of spam. 

SpoetryFest 04 celebrates the hidden poetry within everyday junk emails. The event will feature readings of the various types of spoetry and sprose, as well as music derived from spam. The artists include Anne Smith, Tom Duff, Marielle Jakobsons, Gino Robair, Kyle Bruckmann, and Liz Allbee. 

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A night of experimental music at Church of The Friendly Ghost featuring:

Inalonelyplace - ethereal guitar work with analog synth 
and sample treatments (from Austin, TX)

Spagirus - prepared mountain dulcimer and toy processing that is kind of Keith Rowe meets Zoviet France with a real penchant for drones (from Austin, TX)

Gray Field Recordings with Techix - arcanely neo-classical and often exploring dark folk territory with violin, viola, electric and acoustic guitar, and sample loops accompanying R. Loftiss's enchanting vocals (from Stillwater, Oklahoma)

Sunday, November, 14

8 pm

5 dollars

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i don't know what's up with the dns, but here's the numbers

http://72.3.131.10/


On Nov 5, 2004, at 7:33 PM, scott allison wrote:

> odd, not sure whats up... the link went to a site where people are 
> posting pictures of themselves with hand written apologies to the 
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This from today's New York Times:

"For a time, this frightening urban battlefield became a pulsing
cacophony of strange and deadly sounds. The mosques in the city
broadcast calls to jihad through their speakers. F-18's fired 3,000
rounds a minute in bursts that sounded oddly like burps. AC-130 gunships
droned overhead, their big cannons going thunk, thunk as they found
targets.

Perhaps strangest of all, the American troops brought in their own
"psyops" trucks - for psychological operations - and blared sounds that
created a nightmarish duet with the mosques: old AC/DC songs, something
that sounded like a sonar ping, the cavalry charge."


Urban Warfare Deals Harsh Challenge to Troops
By DEXTER FILKINS
 
Published: November 9, 2004

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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:47:00 -0500, vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps strangest of all, the American troops brought in their own
> "psyops" trucks - for psychological operations - and blared sounds that
> created a nightmarish duet with the mosques: old AC/DC songs, something
> that sounded like a sonar ping, the cavalry charge."

Heavy metal in the service of empire.

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On 11/9/04, Bill Ashline said something like:

>Heavy metal in the service of empire.

I think this technique was first used (or at least first reported)
during the invasion of Panama, where a sound trucks surrounding
Noriega's compound were playing heavy metal at deafening volume 24 hours
a day.

I'll see if I can find the clipping.  The NYT had a track listing as I
remember...

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1954:

"Thousands of letters and telegrams opposing U.S. intervention deluged
the White House.  An American Legion with 78,000 members demanded that
'the United States should refrain from dispatching any of its Armed
Forces to participate as combatants in the fighting in Indochina or in
southeast Asia.'  There were public outcries against 'colonialism' and
'imperialism.'  Senators from both parties rose to denounce any
contemplationn of sending U.S. soldiers to Indochina....  Democratic
Senator Ed Johnson of Colorado declared on the Senate floor: 'I am
against sending American GI's into the mud and muck of Indochina on a
blood-letting spree to perpetuate colonialism and white man's
exploitation in Asia.'

By mid-May, Gallup poll revealed that 68 percent of those surveyed were
against sending U.S. troops to Indochina."


"One of the most widespread fantasies about the Vietnam War blames the
antiwar movement for losing the war by not supporting the government,
thus forcing the military to 'fight with one arm tied behind it's back.'
But this stands reality on its head.  Right from the beginning, the
goverment understood that the American people did not and would not
support a war in Vietnam.  Therefore, when Washington decided to replace
France in the war against the DRV, it necessarily committed itself to a
covert war, a policy based on deception, sneaking around, hiding its
actions from the American people.  Each administration, from Eisenhower
through Kennedy and Johnson to Nixon, was aware that whenever bits and
pieces of the truth about this war leaked out, opposition to the war
would build.  Every administration was also aware that each escalation
of the war would intensify forms of opposition.  It was the U. S.
government that thus created the internal nemesis of its own war.
Eventually that nemesis of necessity would also emerge inside the army
and navy fighting that war."


H. Bruce Franklin "Vietnam and Other American Fantasies"

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>"The mosques in the city broadcast calls to jihad through their speakers"
false information....what they heard was the adhan...the call to
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>...Heavy metal in the service of empire...>
++++++++++

i'd read about a group of iraqi prisoners who'd been
subjected to what one of them later described as
"very loud music with scary voices". which i suppose
could be anything from britney simpson to napalm
death, as long as the amp was on the verge of clipping
and everything came out heavily distorted...

i'd play select sogar tracks...then at least i could
enjoy it while carrying out my patriotic duty.


                
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I would suggest Merzbow - Pulse Demon or anything by Kazumoto Endo.

Actually, now that I think about it, even at mild volume I've had 
trouble listening to the first track of the Japanese Torture Comedy 
Hour/Lockweld split cd thanks to it's incredibly harsh pure high 
pitches. At high volume I dare say it could seriously demoralize it's 
targets. Might be considered torture really.

Trouble with sonic warfare however is that it is very hard to have only 
the enemy hear it. Imagine our troops wearing cancelation-headphones 
designed to cancel the noise being made by the USA's sonic warfare 
division.... of course headphones can fail, so that's probably why this 
hasn't been done yet (as far as I've heard).


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> i'd play select sogar tracks...then at least i could
> enjoy it while carrying out my patriotic duty.


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> On 11/9/04, Bill Ashline said something like:
>
>> Heavy metal in the service of empire.
>
> I think this technique was first used (or at least first reported)
> during the invasion of Panama, where a sound trucks surrounding
> Noriega's compound were playing heavy metal at deafening volume 24 hours
> a day.
>
> I'll see if I can find the clipping.  The NYT had a track listing as I
> remember...

I heard they also played "these boots were made for walking". Similar 
operations took place at Waco.

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hi

NY times:
> >"The mosques in the city broadcast calls to jihad through their speakers"

( 04.11.09 07:38 -0800 ) xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx:
> false information....what they heard was the adhan...the call to
> prayer...not jihad...

yet another example of the distortions that permeate the us media. a call to
prayer is 'reported' as a call to war.

who are the terrorists here?

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