Re: (idm) Vulgarity or Incoherence?

From Michael Upton
Sent Mon, Oct 4th 1999, 05:09

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:13:49    Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:

>I suspect that even those who freely use vulgarity know when and if 
>that language may offend. Unless one that each of us creates our language in a vacuum.

Sure. I choose to write the way I do, swearing when I feel like it, because I think it undercuts a certain tone in writing that really grates with me. Swearing, whether deemed offensive or not, always makes something a little more conversational, IME. 

I figure that if I was really bothered by someone's use of language sufficiently, I'd let them know. I'd invite people to do the same with me.

>Difficult for me to recontextualize the words "I'll fucking kill you" 
>as anything beyond the literal - if ungrammatical - intent.

Uh, you haven't given an original context, so it's no wonder you're having trouble. :-)

As a side note, it annoys me that you call that ungrammatical. "Fucking" is used as a verb, a noun, an adjective, and an infix in all varieties of English I have had contact with. If that is what you think is ungrammatical then I severely doubt you can come up with any counter evidence.

But I'd like to take this back to the original point and suggest that generally swearing, particularly the examples Irene raised, is not often used to be aggressive or confrontational. They were smutty rather than aggressive things, so I don't follow why you connect those with aggressive noises.

Having said all this, I think I agree with every point Irene made. I don't like any of the names or titles she cited, and some of them make me cringe in a way that just cries out to me "avoid", rather than either encouraging me to laugh or sit down and do a bit of chin-stroking about what is acceptable to title art or somesuch.

Michael


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