From Kelley Hackett Sent Mon, Aug 23rd 1999, 13:34
From Kelley Hackett Sent Mon, Aug 23rd 1999, 13:34
Well Drew, if I had to listen to Bach for melodies, ha ha ha, I'd die trying to find a sufficient Melody for my ear............. I get your drift and somewhat feel ya, but if U listen to John Beltrans 10 Days of Blue or Placid Angels, The Cry and think this is as melodic as Ae's Chiastic Slide....................nawh!!!!!!....... Again, though, U kinda hit the issue on the head when u mentioned it depends on what one is after and that there are melodies any most if not all sound! Hk! > -----Original Message----- > From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx [SMTP:xxxxx@xxxx.xxx] > Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 3:37 PM > To: xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Subject: (idm) "ch- ch- check out my melody"- Eric B. and Rakim > > "Every noise has a note." That's a helpful motto from the folks at AMM > (circa '66) that I think is really applicable to this whole wave of posts > about "melody" vs. "clanky noise". Pure white noise aside, just about > every sound you can make has some pitch information in it, and when you > create patterns out of those sounds, you create sequences of pitches- > there > may be melodies inside all sorts of purely glitchy, complex programming > beats if you listen for them. To keep things nice n IDMish, I would single > out Ae's "Chiastic Slide" as an excellent example of this effect: melodies > are implicit in almost entirely percussive songs. To venture away from > IDM, > consider gamelan in this context: is there such a clear distinction > between > what is a rhythmic pattern and what is a melody in a gamelan performance? > Another example would be a Xenakis piece like "Pleiades", where melody and > rhythm seem to mesh. > If the complaint is "Why isn't IDM melodically rich enough?", I would > suggest that, if melody is really the *primary* thing you are looking for, > why not try Burt Bacharach, Mahler, Van Dyke Parks, Bach, etc.? Why not > check out people who are actually talented at writing complex melodic > music, not just puny drifting three note minor chord whooshes? Seriously, > if you listen to even a prosaic Broadway standard like "Baubles, Bangles, > and Beads", you will hear more intricate bridges, shifts in tempo, strange > chords, and multi-layered melodic information than you will hear in your > standard IDM track- not to say that therefore they should listen to > Broadway instead of the latest Schematic 12", but people who think IDM is > "the most complex music" really ought to check out other sections of the > record store before they pat themselves on the back again for being so > "deep". . . > > Drew >