From Ben Bridges Sent Tue, Jul 3rd 2018, 00:54
From Ben Bridges Sent Tue, Jul 3rd 2018, 00:54
yikes, this is one heck of a thread. my 2cents, first some facts. Moog imports populated circuit boards as well as components from China and elsewhere. (of course excluding anything through hole, such as the minimoog re-issue and the modular series, everything else the boards are not populated in USA) Moog assembles those boards with the other bits and bobs into cases, in USA. So, now my thoughts, I am not sure where the huge markup for Moog products occurs, I could speculate that perhaps it's the manual labor costs incurred in assembly in USA. Perhaps it's in the product design. Perhaps it's the cost of a bricks and mortar factory in USA. I don't know, I have no facts to back that up. I am not saying they are not justified in their pricing, Moog has a standard that I really love, and I for one don't care where the innards come from. My trusty apple iBone is made just across the border (i live in Hong Kong) in Shenzhen, China and it is more reliable than anything else I can think of. A question then I would like to ask, if those populated boards would be considered computer as opposed to musical? Ridiculous speculation: I think this maybe is just an excuse for Moog to slink out. Companies face this kind of thing all the time, plastic prices go up when oil prices increase, and it's not that big a deal. If Moog were clever, they would move assembly of their SMD products offshore and become a competitive force for BR so that they could remain in the game. Using the tariff excuse is kinda lame. Be clever and just get on with it. On 2/7/2018 2:10 AM, Lorne Hammond wrote: > I agree with Paul. I would say this for Moog. Elections are coming. I think > Moog are trying to speak up in their republican neighbourhood > and trying to get the ear of the very silent middle of the republican party. > > > But the cost for entry of younger synth designers and small companies just > went up. > Lumber has been under protective tariff for a while. It is now at its > highest price in history > and its still moving across the border. House construction is more costly > for US consumers. > But that's where Paul's point is, that the lumber is only a small part of > the package of building a home. > So people pay it. But with over 500 synth makers out there and a fairly > tight marketplace this wont help. > > Lorne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] > Sent: July-01-18 10:22 AM > To: 'Kenny Balys' <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx>; 'Lorne Hammond' <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx>; > 'Wheaton, Simon' <xxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx>; 'analogue heaven' > <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: RE: [AH] MOOG WARNING > > I have nothing 'against Moog'. > > If ANYONE had put out that press release, I would have dog-piled them. > > Because I know what this can turn into, and it's not pretty. > > Paul S. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenny Balys [mailto:xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx] > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 12:19 PM > To: Lorne Hammond; 'Paul Schreiber'; 'Wheaton, Simon'; 'analogue heaven' > Subject: Re: [AH] MOOG WARNING > > > I will never boycot Moog. > > Paul's comments are very educational to me as I know nothing about global > trade. > > I will continue to trade money for Moogs in the future. Thats all I know. > > > On 01.07.18 16:54 , Lorne Hammond wrote: > <SNIP> >> Lots of people up here cancelling trips (vacations, school trips) to the > US >> and talking boycotts of US products. So far it doesn't include > California's >> agriculture but if it does we'll buy from Mexico and south america. >> And it takes years to build trade connections. Tariffs are economic > warfare >> and destructive. Hard to make a peace once it starts. >> Its a mess. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus