From GamePrg. Sent Sun, Jun 28th 1998, 19:52
From GamePrg. Sent Sun, Jun 28th 1998, 19:52
On Sunday, 28-Jun-98, daniel wrote [about Re: (idm) back in my day...]:
>I never said warp was a bad label. What I said is that there are labels
>right now who are doing things warp isn't and these labels have releases
>that are on par with those great AI comps. But, a lot of people miss these
>releases because they aren't on a known label. You have to look beyond
>the known labels.
yeah, that's true.. but still I think the lesser known labels are not to be
underestimated in their knownability :)
like.. I think most of all idm labels have probably been discussed on this
list.
>I never ever brought up house vs. idm. What I said was that people tend
>to label to much and totally miss out. When you look at music and say "I
>can't listen to that because that beat is unintelligent" you are closing
>your mind. There is bad house and there is bad idm. But to refuse to
>listen to house just because it is house is pretty ignorant. By the way
>you can subsitute any genre <industrial, country, rock etc> for house in
>the above statement.
well.. generally house _is_ IMO unintelligent, and that's all house..
that doesn't mean it isn't any good.. I mean.. look at house, it's full of 4
bar loops of every kind.. and look at some IDM.. the melodies are longer,
the drum beats more complex and individual..
it's simply a matter of music I think..
whereas house is only meant to be danced to.. not listened to, IDM is meant
to be listened to, not danced to.. and vice versa..
and I think it's for this reason that people miss some of the key releases
in the house, trance, etc. genres for this reason..
but again it's the unintelligent/intelligent thing, which I think just
defines the type of music it is, not whether it's literally smarter or not.
DJ Rap made a quote in Sonic Soul's retina saying something along the lines
of "I dunno what intelligent music is, because i don't believe that I make
stupid music." or something.. to me this is a bs statement.. because just
because something is "intelligent" means that it's simply a different type
of music.. this seems to be linked to ambient.. because somehow anything
with the "intelligent" tag before it seems to be fused with ambient..
"intelligent" jungle, etc.
that's the what it's all about IMO.. stuff like michael fakesch, the old AI
comps (and IMO few, very few things today can even classify themselves as
being as good as those comps), but the stuff is out there, and on the smaller
labels, like daniel says.. I too had a high bias towards anything that is
not IDM.. but just because something is good doesn't make it IDM imo..
that's adding to the reason why people keep on getting pissed when people
call music "intelligent".
>this is not a house vs. idm thread. My point is that people close their
>mind and make rigid rules of what IDM is. They then follow those rules
I think IDM is a very _narrow_ type of music, and what I think may not be
what other people think. but to me there's definite bounderies of what IDM
is, and it's not about intelligence.. maybe it's about melody and music, as
opposed to grooves, but.. not about who's smarter than who.
>and if the music is outside of those rules they refuse to listen. These
yes :)
>same people then complain IDM isn't any good now days. How many people on
>here have posted at one time or another that they won't listen to tracks
>with vocals?
well.. I listen to tracks with vocals.. IMO everything deserves at least 2-4
listens.. but I must say that most of the tracks with vocals, as in lyrics,
people singing have been totally lame.. some vocals I can get used to. When
I first heard Richard's Hairpiece the vocals totally ruined the whole thing,
but then after a few listens I got used to them, and now I love that track.
but some things the vocals still ruin the track for me.
Things like Jimi Tenor and The Gentle People rule of course, but I think
that type of music, it's natural for there to be vocals (Lounge).. lenny
kravitz, etc.. etc..
>that they won't listen to music with a guitar in it? Again they are
>missing out. A closed mind is never a good thing.
I have to say most tracks with any kinds of guitar sounds I've heard are
lame.. BUT, a track by DJ Who on the cloudwatch cd uses some guitar sounds
in it and it is absolutely fantastic..
and a closed mind isn't a good thing.. indeed a lot of people have a closed
mind. i used to have one, but then by chance I started hearing some pretty
cool stuff at clubs, etc.. in those genres.. lately i've been getting into
some drum'n'bass as a result.
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