Re: (idm) all this dub talk

From thomas m weibrecht
Sent Thu, Mar 18th 1999, 16:08

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:18:51 -0500 (EST) Arthur Purvis
<xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes:
>On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, thomas m weibrecht wrote:
>
>> >Rule 1) if bill laswell plays bass on it, don't buy it.  No matter
>> >how good the other people are on the CD, it will suck.  If it's a 
>> >whole CD by Bill Laswell, it will be atrocious.
>> 
>> uh huh...its easy to generalize about a body of work that 
>encompasses
>> over 100 releases isnt it?
>
>In this case, yes.  I have heard probably 30 or so Laswell records.  
>None
>of them were good, save the Praxis and Last Exit ones and the 
>Oscillations
>mixes (none of which have anything to do with dub, and in all cases, 
>none 
>have much to do with Laswell).

i guess if youre a proponent of statistical sampling you are correct, but
thats probably the flaw in the theory...so if approx. 30% of someone's
output "sucks", so does the rest...as to the discs you find good:
considering laswell produced the records, got the guys together, provided
a state-of the art studio and one of the most capable engineers in the
business today, id hardly say he didnt have much to do with those
releases...

>> >Rule 2) The Mad Professor is only good at remixes.  He may be the
>> >absolute top of the pops at it (he is) but don't buy his LPs.
>> 
>> again, a generalization...
>
>Less so than you think.  I've heard many many Mad Professor records 
>after
>being blown away by vs. Massive Attack.
>
>> >Rule 3) Wordsound is the best functioning label for dubbed out
>> >stuff.  By far. 
>> 
>> guess u havent heard of echo beach and on-u sound to name two... 
>
>I haven't heard of echo beach, but Wordsound blows on-u out of the 
>water.

goes back to laswell...his hand has been in some way shape or form on 14
of the label's releases...ironic huh?...plus, style scott is the "in
house" drummer for the wordsound posse, and his roots are in dub
syndicate, one of the on-u stable...ironic huh?

>> >Rule 4) Lee Perry is at this point completely worthless.  Get the 
>> >boxset, maybe some older LPs, but music like Technomajikal makes me
>> >ill.
>> 
>> guess you havent heard "time boom X the devil dead", or "from the 
>secret
>> laboratory"?
>
>I heard technomajikal and 4 other recent records.  They all sucked.  
>Dunno
>if I heard those tracks.

check em out...but they are are on on-u sound...

>> >Rule 5) There are several schools of dub reggae, one of which 
>> >originated
>> >in Jamaica in the 60s, another of which in the UK in the 90s.  
>Decide 
>> >what
>> >you like (there are of course other styles) - there are records in 
>> >both
>> >that are very good.  The former is more smooth, more reggaeish, 
>more
>> >"live" (Lee Perry, Gregory Isaacs (sometimes) etc) the latter 
>focuses 
>> >on
>> >massive stomping basslines (Rootsman, Alpha Omega, etc).
>> >
>> 
>> you make it seem like there is a void of 30 years, which there 
>isnt...you
>> are forgetting the 70/80s, which really fused these two eras
>> together...those were the years where dub and reggae expanded their
>> attraction into so many other genres (remember the clash?or the 
>police?
>> or grace jones?) and produced classics like black uhuru, steel 
>pulse,
>> burning spear, aswad, sly and robbie's taxxi gang, etc etc etc...
>
>  I said there are other categories.  I didn't discuss them.  Read 
>what I
>wrote.

dub is a technique more than anything else...its mutations are endless,
but the categorization is the same...imo of course...

tom w

np: john mcentire - reach the rock ost

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