From Kreig.Zimmerman Sent Mon, Aug 24th 1998, 16:49
From Kreig.Zimmerman Sent Mon, Aug 24th 1998, 16:49
On Fri, 8/21/98 1:12 PM, Subconscious Geography wrote: >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:24:45 +0100 (BST), you wrote: > >>... its like the whole "Intelligent Dance" thing, I used to find it really >>offensive when I'd be going down Speed and some of my friends, hardcore >>junglers, would be going " she likes her jungle "intelligent", I hated that >>term, 'intelligent' drum'n'bass as the term seemed to scornfully deride all >>the other stuff which I was into as well. > >and what's the stuff that has lasted most effectively? the so-called >least intelligent jungle, the early hardcore rave, 4-hero etc, which >will be listened to long after most of the intelligent bandwagon has >passed by.. and i get MUCH MUCH more mileage from the golden amen era >than i do from the countless dolphin/rhodes/coffee-book tracks. Hmm... this brings a smile to my face simply because I believe that it's true. A lot of what passes for jungle today is going to lose out because there is nothing timeless to it IMHO (in spite of what Goldie says ;), it's too spare and watered down to make an impact. When you listen to the old hardcore, at least you know what it is, and there's actually a lot of interesting musical stuff happening in much of it. Once the music made the turn from spontaneity and experimentation (i.e. fun, like in a lot of hardcore/darkness/early jungle) into dogmatic adherence to a sound for the sake of formula or philosophy, jungle went into a tail-spin from which it has yet to emerge. Hell, look at the dnb/breaks mailing-lists... hardly a week goes by where someone cries out crucifixion-style, "ragga, ragga, why hast thou forsaken me??" The LTJ Bukem camp's success (not that I'm trying to single him out) seems to have killed ragga pretty effectively, and most 98-era jungle sounds like a sort of skeletal parody of the jungle of four years ago... no sick basslines, no interesting sample effects, no interesting melodies... it's like the wasted body of a patient who's been in a coma for three years... I'm not even sure why there is a bandwagon anymore, you'd think the emptyness of the present-day formula would be forcing people away in droves. Oh well. Guess I'll go listen to my old Production House records, Kreig > ><waves> > >Subconscious Geography >http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk >+/sale +/cdr