From KaisrSolze Sent Fri, Apr 10th 1998, 23:32
From KaisrSolze Sent Fri, Apr 10th 1998, 23:32
1) to work with the form (eg squarepusher, jega, rdj, etc.), > >using its formal elements but always as an expansion of the form; and >I think of this as basically being programmed jazz. Not that it isn't >doing things never before done with jazz (for instance, extremely flange= d >perfect 96th-note-triplets ascending in perfect linear pitch or volume >ain't exactly Max Roach or Buddy Rich) I really am not feeling this comment at all... Maybe it's just my flawed= =0Aoutlook, but programmed jazz isn't jazz at all. The way I see it,=0Aj= azz=3Dimprovisation. Sometimes this improv is within a strict form (bebo= p,=0Aetc.), sometimes it's "free jazz." But programming jazz strips it o= f its=0Aessential nature. I'm going to make an ass out of myself with th= is comment,=0Abut a lot of people on this list seem to have a skewed conc= eption of what jazz=0Ais. People like limp 70's fusion, the programmed n= oodling of various newer=0Amusicians, elevator lite jazz Bukem style, etc= . That's fine, it isn't my=0Ataste, but it's your right. It just bothe= rs me when you call it jazz, because=0Ait's another beast entirely. =09Anyway, I guess that leaves me questioning the limits of IDM, and elec= tronic=0Amusic in general. I think programming can go a really long way.= .. But has=0Aanyone really been able to achieve the same level of commun= ication and=0Ainteraction with their synths and computer programs that a = moderately gifted=0Aplayer can with a sax or guitar or other physical ins= trument? Is any computer=0Aprogram as flexible and nuanced as a physical= instrument, dynamically and=0Aotherwise? Maybe in a few years electroni= c musicians will be able to=0Ainstantly call up exactly the sound they wa= nt, but I don't see that capability=0Aexisting now. =09In some ways, I would think that DJs are further along than the teemin= g=0Ahoards of white boys with sequencers. At least they can almost insta= ntly=0Achoose any record, and any sound ever recorded... Still, there ar= e technology=0Alimitations=A0=97turntables can only pitch up and down so = far, djs can't switch=0Arecord instantly... There's still a long way to = go. =09So what's my point? Just that I don't mean to flame or insult anyone,= but=0Athere's still a fundamental difference between electronic and=0Ael= ectric/acoustic/physical music. And paying lip service to being "jazzy" = or=0Aanything else isn't going to change that. Sam who will kill aol if it eats this message too