From Jason Proctor Sent Thu, Jan 24th 2019, 19:04
From Jason Proctor Sent Thu, Jan 24th 2019, 19:04
@mike @andrew sounds like a software tuning bug :-) the actual effect would be more like a super slow LFO, or maybe a S&H triggered from key gate, routed to oscillator pitch with the attenuator set to 0.001 of a gnat's proboscis? On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:03 AM Andrew Wacht <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > My buddies JP-8 is 4 feet from me and does exactly that. However, it=E2= =80=99s not quite lush. More like dissonance. It=E2=80=99s way out of tune = when it hits. > > > On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Mike Perkowitz <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > we need the JP-8 effect where VCO2 of one voice is out of tune so every 8= th note or so you get extra "lushness". I guess you can do something like t= his in a more complex system (e.g. Nord modular) by using voice # as a modu= lator, but it gets lost if you have too many voices. maybe voice # mod 6 :) > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:43 AM M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Speaking of slop: The "slop" feature always felt like a bit of a lazy fe= ature from DSI because it does not in fact simulate analog anything--if you= listen to it, it's basically a slow LFO whose speed is being modulation by= a random LFO (or vice versa, but same idea). And it's per voice, not per o= scillator. Analog circuits don't behave like that at all--a vintage poly ca= n be in tune and still have a wonderful lushness/phasiness from the micro-p= itch variations happening within individual oscillators themselves (I can n= ever remember the term for this). This is why putting a "slop" control on t= he Pro-6 or OB-6 is actually kind of offensive--it's like they acknowledge = the need for this kind of sound, but can't be bothered to do it right (on a= sidenote, Tom O. apparently requested that the tuning be less constrained = on the OB-6!) The best "analog" feature I ever saw was on the Alesis Ion, w= hich detuned the individual oscillators within a voice, rather than between= them. >> >> AFAIK no one has yet done a proper "slop" control that affects all of th= e voice variation--filters/envelopes--like you're suggesting. But it seems = like a no brainer at this point. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jason Proctor <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:15 PM >> To: M V >> Cc: Jimmy Moore; AH send >> Subject: Re: [AH] Behringer announces OB-Xa clone project >> >> the troll just doesn't read before shit-posting. as has been previous po= inted out many times, component types and tolerances make for differences i= n sound between voices -- actual verified fact, not opinion. this in turn m= akes the older synths sound a little more organic/warm/loose/(insert term h= ere for the effect we all know) compared to modern equivalents. >> >> the effect is partially simulated by the "slop" control on the OB-6 whic= h varies inter-voice tuning, and it works fine, but IMHO it would have been= more effective had it varied filter cutoff and maybe even resonance too. >> >