Re: [AH] Updated FS: PPG Wave 2.2/2.3 rack project, E370 #1, Eloquencer, CSQ600, Minipops 7

From Andrew Horton
Sent Mon, Mar 18th 2019, 15:29

Plus afx used it so now he get the price bump

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:26 AM sines <xxxxx_xxxx@xxxxx.xx> wrote:
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> I priced them lower than all the others I saw!  They are not common here=
=E2=80=A6 at all!
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> Todd
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> On Mar 18, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Boniforti Flavio <xxxxxxxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> wr=
ote:
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> ... WOW! And I bought Florian's Minipops 7 for a bit more than half of th=
e price you're asking! :-o
> Glad I'm in Europe - USD prices are pretty steep compared to ours! ;-)
> F.
> https://soundcloud.com/bonnyfused
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> Am Mo., 18. M=C3=A4rz 2019 um 15:42 Uhr schrieb sines <xxxxx_xxxx@xxxxx.x=
a>:
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>> Eurorack
>> Winter Modular Eloquencer =E2=80=93 $525
>> Synthesis Technology E370/371 Prototype #1 =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CGray Meani=
e=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 $750
>> Erica Synths Sequential Switch & CV Expander $220
>> Malekko Mix 4 =E2=80=93 $80
>>
>> Drum machines
>> Korg Minipops 7 =E2=80=94 $750
>> Emu Drumulator =E2=80=94 $425
>> Roland CSQ-600 =E2=80=94$425
>>
>> Synths / Controller
>> PPG Wave 2.2 / 2.3 Custom Rack PROJECT [not working / as is] =E2=80=93 $=
4750
>> Casio HT-3000 =E2=80=9CWavetable=E2=80=9D-ish SD Synth, Analogue Resonan=
t Filter =E2=80=93 $250
>> Peavey PC-1600 =E2=80=93 $70
>>
>> Outboard
>> Urei 565T Filter Set =E2=80=94 $450
>> AudioArts 1600 Parametric Crossover =E2=80=93 $100
>> USAudio GateX 4-channel gate / limiter / expander =E2=80=93 $140
>>
>> Details below:
>> Winter Modular Eloquencer =E2=80=94 $525
>> Barely used, original box and second faceplate included. Really powerful=
 controlled chance sequencer.. control 8 pairs of CV & Gates or configure t=
o use them as you see fit. Love it, but I think I'm going a different route=
 in my system.
>>
>> The Eloquencer is a powerful and versatile eurorack sequencer that can b=
e used both as a performance and a composition tool. It=E2=80=99s designed =
to be intuitive, easy to use, and quick to edit. It has been built around t=
he =E2=80=9Ccontrolled chance=E2=80=9D concept. This means you can decide w=
hen and where there will be randomness and how much this randomness will af=
fect your sequences.
>>
>> It features 8 tracks of CVs and Gates in a 16 step disposition, but with=
 the ability to define larger bar counts or chaining patterns to build mult=
iple song parts of 256 steps each. Parameters like CV, Gate, Gate Length an=
d Ratcheting can be randomized in different ways to obtain permanently evol=
ving patterns.
>>
>> Many of the parameters can be linked to the CV inputs to give additional=
 layers of variation. An OLED screen provides contextual feedback for all t=
he parameters, and it=E2=80=99s also used to navigate through the menus.
>>
>> MAIN FEATURES
>> =E2=80=A2 Gate probability independent for each step or track.
>> =E2=80=A2 CV, CV Variation Probability, and CV Variation Range adjustabl=
e for each step or track.
>> =E2=80=A2 Gate Length, Gate Length Variation Probability, and Gate Varia=
tion Range adjustable for each step or track.
>> =E2=80=A2 Ratcheting Type, Ratcheting Probability, and Ratcheting Variat=
ion Probability adjustable for each step or track.
>> =E2=80=A2 Tempo and shuffle adjust
>> =E2=80=A2 CV Outputs quantizable in tone / scale
>> =E2=80=A2 Different step modes ( forward, backward, pendulum, random) in=
dependent for each track and pattern.
>> =E2=80=A2 Track length independent for each track and pattern
>> =E2=80=A2 Track shifting independent for each track or a group of tracks=
.
>> =E2=80=A2 Fill in mode (pressing the track buttons will fill all the gat=
es of the desired tracks).
>> =E2=80=A2 Quantized (time and pitch) Live recording (CVs and Gates)
>> =E2=80=A2 Free play mode (using the step buttons keyboard)
>> =E2=80=A2 Song Mode (64 songs parts can be built, each song part contain=
s a sequence of 16 patterns; a song can be build chaining up to 256 song pa=
rts)
>> =E2=80=A2 LFO Mode (not available in the current OS release, coming soon=
)
>> =E2=80=A2 Mod Mode (not available in the current OS release, coming soon=
)
>> =E2=80=A2 Mute Mode
>> =E2=80=A2 Randomize function to create new patterns, or do partial chang=
es to existing ones
>> =E2=80=A2 Cvs and Gates can be unlinked to have two independent channels
>> =E2=80=A2 CV inputs can be assigned to many parameters ( Step and probab=
ilities, Mute, Fill in, track shift=E2=80=A6)
>> =E2=80=A2 Duplicate function to create different patterns while editing =
in step modes.
>> =E2=80=A2 Freeze and revert function =E2=80=93 Create a screenshot of yo=
ur pattern, modify it, and go back to the previous freezed pattern
>> =E2=80=A2 Master track concept =E2=80=93 The pattern changes or the sync=
hronization/resetting of tracks occurs when the master track reaches its en=
d. The master track can be a track, or an internal clock that can be config=
ured between 1 and 64 steps.
>> =E2=80=A2 Release Reset track =E2=80=93 A track can be released from its=
 relation to the master track, so it won=E2=80=99t reset every time the mas=
ter track reaches its end.
>> =E2=80=A2 Integrated microSD card reader to save projects, do backups of=
 your projects, and have different cards with different sets.
>> =E2=80=A2 Open Source =E2=80=93 the code can be modified using the Ardui=
no IDE and a USB cable. (open source code will be available at a later stag=
e)
>> INPUTS AND OUTPUTS
>>
>> =E2=80=A2 8 V/oct CV Output
>> =E2=80=A2 8 Trigger / Gate Output
>> =E2=80=A2 Reset Input
>> =E2=80=A2 External Clock Input (configurable. i.e: can be used as a cloc=
k divider / multiplier)
>> =E2=80=A2 Aux Output (configurable)
>> =E2=80=A2 Clock Output (configurable. i.e: can be used as a clock divide=
r / multiplier)
>> =E2=80=A2 2 CV Input (assignable to different parameters)
>>
>>
>> Roland CSQ-600 - $425
>> Vintage Roland CSQ-600 Computer Controlled Digital Sequencer in perfect =
working condition. This digital sequencer is from the same era as, and was =
designed to work with the TR-808, CR-78 and SH-2. In fact, it shares the sa=
me chassis and form factor as the TR-808. See the video below for a CSQ-600=
 in action from SynthMania!
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>> CV and Gate In/Out + Sync IN/Out, with 4 sequence memory locations on bo=
ard. Works great with any CV-controlled keyboard or modular synth system.
>>
>>
>> Casio HT-3000 =E2=80=9Cwavetable=E2=80=9D-ish SD synth with analogue Fil=
ter - $250
>>
>> from VintageSynth.com
>> The Casio HT and HZ series are a very interesting group of synthesizers =
produced from 1987-1991. They use a very specific form of sound generation =
called "SD Synthesis". Short for "Spectrum Dynamic" SD Synthesis has some t=
hings in common with the subtractive synthesis we know and love. The synth =
takes a waveform and runs it through a real analog VCF (filter). There are =
ADSR envelopes for the DCA and VCF that shape the sound. And there is an LF=
O just like on a standard subtractive synth, although this LFO only modulat=
es pitch (vibrato) and volume (tremolo).
>>
>> Where things get interesting however, is in the choice of waveforms avai=
lable from the synth engine. There are 32 incredibly varied waveforms, some=
 sound very nasal or narrow, some like saw or square waveforms, some with a=
n odd metallic timbre, and some feature white noise. It's still a mystery e=
xactly how these waves are created, but experts suggest they contain a numb=
er of harmonically-rich pulse waves at different octaves, as well as a ring=
 modulator and an analog noise source.
>>
>> To make things even more interesting, these waves have pre-programmed am=
ounts of PWM and amplitude modulation built into them. For example, one SD =
wave could contain two pulse waves fading in and out at different times. Bu=
t you don't have to understand all of this to get the best out of the synth=
. The mystery and modulation of it all means you can just pick a preset and=
 change the waves around and see what happens. The synth sounds are in the =
same ballpark as other DCO-synths of the time, and can even sound a little =
PPG-like on a good day. The filter is a bit weak for bass but adds a nice s=
woosh to some sounds. There is also a nice chorus effect on board. Addition=
ally, being a home keyboard, it has built-in speakers, a Drum Machine and a=
n Auto-Accompaniment mode (the lower tone is used for accompaniment). The d=
rum sounds resemble the Casio RZ-1 8-bit drum machine.
>>
>> The low point of the synth is in the programming. You have one big clunk=
y rotary dial and a list of two digit parameters to edit (e.g.: 10 will be =
cutoff, 11 is resonance) and these parameters are not listed on the panel, =
so you need the manual with you at all times! MIDI is present, but limited =
to just 3-channels and has no SysEx support. Kind of a bummer from a synth =
with such a tedious programming interface.
>>
>> Peavey PC-1600 #2 - $70
>> Sysex / CC editor with 1600 firmware. Needs new battery. Poor cosmetic c=
ondition with many scratches around. Priced accordingly.
>>
>> Synthesis Technology E370/371 Prototype #1 - "gray meanie" - $750
>> My YouTube demos:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUJl6zmz0nJI
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRqn9KerKS4Y
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>> The E370 Quad Morphing Terrarium is 4x E350 Morphing Terrariums [wavetab=
le VCOs] and Cloud Generators. Capable of working as 4 separate E350s / E34=
0s, a 4-osc unison voice, or in cloud mode.
>>
>> The E370 prototype is similar in functionality to the production version=
, but the firmware is as Paul Schreiber says "Frozen in time, like tears, i=
n the rain." That is, it cannot be updated to v1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 or anythi=
ng later. This also means you can only use the stock E350 wavetables.
>>
>> This is not quite Eurorack size, but somewhat designed for a 5U system w=
ith a lot of headroom. The native power header is a 4-pin molex MOTM format=
 header, with a Synthesis Technology chiclet that adapts to a 12-pin Eurora=
ck standard jack. It is "fitted" [I use that term loosely] in this 3u heavy=
 duty aluminum panel in powder coat mil spec grey. This panel got stuck in =
my bike wheel, and broke my hand once as well.
>>
>> Detailed information about the product version of the E370 is here
>> http://www.synthtech.com/eurorack/e370
>>
>>
>> PPG Wave 2.2 / 2.3 custom rack project - NOT WORKING / AS-IS - $4750
>>
>> I have a significant amount of time [both mine and others] and money inv=
ested in making this work.
>> I am at my limits of abilities to work on it. I can get a display to run=
 but no sound because of the Proz-mismatch.
>> The problem with this project is that there were never the appropriate b=
oard combinations to make it work. The minor repairs aside, it will never m=
ake sound with what I have here. A PPG 2.3 processor board is required to m=
ake the voice cards work with this configuration. Alternately, you could lo=
ok for PPG 2.2 voice cards and a motherboard. Unfortunately the market for =
PPG synths is very dry in New York, there are far more users, techs, and pa=
rts available in Germany in Austria. Interested parties, I recommend you co=
nsult with Alexander of Virtual Music in Vienna, Austria about sourcing ano=
ther 2.3 processor board to make this configuration work.
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>> The PPG has the latest Virtual Music 8.3 ROMs. I am including a second s=
et of ROMs as well.
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>> I would refer to this below from Alexander from Virtual Music https://ww=
w.virtual-music.at/en/ppg-zone/#1
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>> When this was shipped, the cards were not removed and wrapped so the dam=
ages are listed below.
>> =E2=80=A2 2-3 broken mylar caps [the leads are hairline thin and very fr=
agile]
>> =E2=80=A2 1 broken 27.460mhz Crystal
>> =E2=80=A2 LCD cable pins are bent / broken and some will need replacemen=
t.
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>> from Peter Forrest / Vemia
>> "Details from the original listing[s]:We don=E2=80=99t know much about t=
his. What we do know is it doesn=E2=80=99t work. It would appear that someo=
ne took a PPG Wave 2.3, removed the PCB=E2=80=99s, display, knobs and power=
 supply and re-mounted them in a rack-style case. The front panel has a ver=
y professional looking blue and white transfer so whoever did this was quit=
e serious about it. It also comes with the Wave=E2=80=99s original Mod Whee=
l assembly which can be connected to the internal motherboard. We tested it=
 and this is what we found: It appears to boot up and display what looks li=
ke sensible information on the LCD (see photo). It accepts commands from th=
e front panel, such as program or Midi channel changes, or for example pres=
sing the Analog button brings up the current front panel knob-settings in t=
he display and these can be altered in real time. It also appears to have v=
alid data in memory judging by the parameters when the program number is ch=
anged. It can also be switched to emulate PPG Wave 2.2 mode. So far, so goo=
d. Now the bad news: plugging in a Midi keyboard produces no output, so eit=
her the Midi circuitry or the sound-generating section has a problem. Witho=
ut having another Wave to test it with against, that=E2=80=99s as much as w=
e know. Ideally this would suit a PPG enthusiast who has a working Wave 2.3=
 and can diagnose this one using an external Wave keyboard and card substit=
ution.
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>> Here=E2=80=99s an interesting one. Possibly the world's only rackmount W=
ave 2.3. This was sold a few years ago at VEMIA not working, but has now be=
en serviced by James Walker and is fully operational. *Just to confirm: thi=
s has MIDI!* The keyboard was never the best thing about the Waves anyway, =
so this might be ideal for someone who wants the sound without the space. W=
e have no idea who did this in the first place, but it looks extremely well=
 done. The original listing was here - http://www.spheremusic.com/Bargaindt=
l.asp?Item=3D8394
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>> This mystery PPG Wave was modified allegedly in Germany. It was purchase=
d as a non working unit a while ago but as yet I haven't found someone conv=
ersant enough with PPG's to get it 100% working. In the interim period I bo=
ught another Wave, so the project's been on the back burner for some time a=
nd is now surplus to requirements. I've recently had synth tech Kent Spong =
take a look at it, his professional opinion is.... 'It's not an impossible =
job but it will take an expert in PPG's.' For the record the case isn't 19 =
inch rack size, being slightly wider at 19.5 inches wide, either way it's d=
efinitely more compact than the standard Wave. Last time I looked the unit =
powered up and the front panel display reacts normally to edit data from th=
e knobs, however it's very intermitant in it's behavior and hasn't made any=
 musical sounds as yet. A potential bargain for someone willing to do some =
research and hopefully nurse it back to full health, or perhaps a source of=
 rare spare parts."
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>> Additional hi-res photos [which I shot, in case you doubt them!] and des=
criptions are here
>> http://toddsines.com/forsale/
>>
>> All items are in perfect working condition except for the PPG and PC-160=
0.
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>> NO TRADES at this time.
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>> I accept F&F Paypal, TransferWise, Venmo, FB Payments & Zelle QuickPay.
>> Eurorack Modules include $10 USPS Flat Rate Priority Mail shipping
>> The PPG rack can be disassembled and shipped in a 21x14x7" box.
>> All others will be weighed and priced.
>> If you do not use F&F Paypal 3% will be added to the final sale.
>>
>> Thanks!
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>> Todd
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