From Michael Wright Sent Fri, Apr 1st 2005, 01:36
From Michael Wright Sent Fri, Apr 1st 2005, 01:36
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1448147,00.html Please, will someone make creative use of this before U2?!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Achrid mp3's available at www.achrid.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 00:34:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35066-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42829 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:34:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 42818 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:34:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:30:57 +0200 From: michael hohendorf <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Phthalocyanine in Germany !!! To: "'xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx'" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x-xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx auth:566c5579726788d5ea2b36f30760e8af X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Last minute tour announcement! PHTHALOCYANINE (los angeles) -planet mu, phthalo, a-musik... & GAUMEN (bremen) -esel records 01.04. Cologne - Kulturbunker Muehlheim 02.04. Berlin - Zentrale Randlage 03.04. 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Fri Apr 1 00:26:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35065-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37007 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:26:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 36997 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:26:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:32 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.243.37.198 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys Info At http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G6Wm1d1ppiTfNgh8y+ME4kGnyf20a9KCmO3DuvnNCNWrYDOk1gA1HMsh03I80B+f; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609c47fad5623c58af411a59ce6600e25952601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 31, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Nick S wrote: > its my understanding they all do synthesis, from what ive gathered so > far > the main difference is the cpu and os. > > sorry if this is OT here...i thought it was on-topic...i wouldve > posted to > AH, but its definately OT there. -might be considered o.t. since this isn't really a gear forum. i don't consider it o.t. since we're dealing with micro architecture making large sounds. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Jarboe" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 > > >> On Mar 31, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Nick S wrote: >> >>> hi all...new to the list...anyways, quick question for the emu heads >>> here....what are the main differences between the e64 and e6400 >>> samplers? >>> >>> ive been looking to get an emu for awhile, and now, it seems the >>> price >>> is finally right for me. >> >> >> i'm not absolutely sure , though i've thought of using the e6400 >> myself. in the e6400 one is able to delve into synthesis , even to the >> point of recreating an approximation of the old emu modular systems . >> remember animotion's 'obsession' ? propoganda's 'machinery'? >> >> >> -hope this is a bit of help, o.t. as it might be >> >> >> Bill >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 00:15:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35064-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23320 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:15:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 23308 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:15:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [OT] Badio talk, NYC - simultaneous live webcast In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HItgbQ2wbprNeC5uCkuCL6KMbJbX5FbdU7KoIp+NfDZGikGJvL8AgY4ybppkG6RZjRA7wCauKmmCO1jZdWYtmoLg9Acq2hQ1bxvRpHyXc3z/jCUegZ1vUHJBFhVlpCkTjqRoGgilTvdhHXi4eXeXk1TiuCvXfbbCaeBiTjWtQQs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey all, (I just now sent attempted to send this to the microsound annoucements list but got a failure to deliver bounce back) FYI: The August Sound Coalition will be broadcasting on the web, live: Alain Badiou's talk at Deitch Projects, Friday April 1, 7PM EST. Info on where on the web to listen-in will be sent out to you tomorrow afternoon. -A ************* August Sound Coalition http://radio.socialtechnology.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 00:00:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35063-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15930 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:00:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 15919 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:00:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:58:24 -0500 From: Nick S <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.210] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2005 00:00:10.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5545FF0:01C5364D] its my understanding they all do synthesis, from what ive gathered so far the main difference is the cpu and os. sorry if this is OT here...i thought it was on-topic...i wouldve posted to AH, but its definately OT there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Jarboe" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 > On Mar 31, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Nick S wrote: > > > hi all...new to the list...anyways, quick question for the emu heads > > here....what are the main differences between the e64 and e6400 > > samplers? > > > > ive been looking to get an emu for awhile, and now, it seems the price > > is finally right for me. > > > i'm not absolutely sure , though i've thought of using the e6400 > myself. in the e6400 one is able to delve into synthesis , even to the > point of recreating an approximation of the old emu modular systems . > remember animotion's 'obsession' ? propoganda's 'machinery'? > > > -hope this is a bit of help, o.t. as it might be > > > Bill > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 31 22:59:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35062-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84809 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:59:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 84799 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:59:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:59:34 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.162 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys Info At http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JCKBSX5FPpSlPbTe4jA6op7O4iqpDWheQA9+21esmqVGWjOgx2GLQaVk7ApGKkW8; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c26091623b07bddc902c1a297a899a7349064666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 31, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Nick S wrote: > hi all...new to the list...anyways, quick question for the emu heads > here....what are the main differences between the e64 and e6400 > samplers? > > ive been looking to get an emu for awhile, and now, it seems the price > is finally right for me. i'm not absolutely sure , though i've thought of using the e6400 myself. in the e6400 one is able to delve into synthesis , even to the point of recreating an approximation of the old emu modular systems . remember animotion's 'obsession' ? propoganda's 'machinery'? -hope this is a bit of help, o.t. as it might be Bill > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 31 22:35:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35061-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74172 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:35:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 74160 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:35:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:33:40 +0100 From: douglas benford <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] RADIO TAXI works X-Sender: xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06110445be722b36ce1f@[81.151.99.247]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Fwded: dont reply to me! thanks ;-) use email contact below... douglas benford RADIO TAXI Kirsten Lavers, cris cheek, (TNWK) and Simon Keep invite sound artists(including writers, poets, visual artists, musicians working with sound) tosubmit work for a short range FM and internet radio event in late May and early June 2005.BACKGROUND RADIO TAXI is a Taxi Gallery narrowcast and webcast initiative. Taxi Gallery is literally a black cab situated in a council estate on the outskirts of Cambridge,England. Since Sept 2001, over 25 different artists have made new works inresponse to the specific context offered by the gallery and its location. TaxiGallery is a project that reaches for an extended conversation with local, nationaland international audiences (via its website) in response to a broad range of challenging contemporary artworks, approaches and ideas.For more info on Taxi Gallery - please visit www.taxigallery.org.uk The translocal or "glocal" philosophy of Taxi Gallery is reflected in the forthcoming RADIO TAXI project which will integrate a 3 mile radius analogueFM broadcast with a worldwide digital transmission via a server capable ofhandling multiple streams.RADIO TAXI will be a live(ly) mix of locally originated programmes and interventions (significant community involvement by neighbourhood residents ofall ages will be developed, including several major projects with ColeridgeSecondary School and an evolving radio club), a curated programme of invitedsound works and a schedule of sonic art from all over the world. The Radio Taxi webcast will be technically supported by Liam Wells (NorwichSchool of Art and Design) of n0media. Transmission dates: 6pm 27 May - 6am 31 May (GMT)& 6pm 3 June - Midnight 5 June (selected highlights) The selected highlights will remain archived on the Taxi Gallery website for theforeseeable future. An audio CD selection will also be included in a forthcomingfull colour Taxi Gallery publication. SUBMISSION DETAILSTHERE ARE THREE WAYS TO TAKE PART IN RADIO TAXI: 1. A 1hour (unedited, raw) field sound recording made at night (anytimebetween dusk and dawn) from a specific location anywhere in the world.Please include exact details of the location, date and time of the recording. 2. A recording made for the duration of a taxi journey (see Jan Cain's 'Ride'in the Taxi Gallery web archive). Please include details of the journeyincluding departure and arrival destinations and reasons for the journey.These recordings will be played during the overnight programme during the broadcast period - a programme inspired by Jim Jarmusch's film 'Night OnEarth'. All submitted recordings will be fully credited on the website. 3. Contribute to the curated programme by submitting new or existing soundworks that in some way address at least one or more of the followingthemes: NeighbourhoodThe CommonsEverydayLocation Transition Conversation Collection Transmission No other limits and we're also happy to receive proposals/ideas for works to becarried out on site or via live - streaming. Submissions should be sent (preferably in audio CD format - please get in touch if this is a problem) withdetails, credit info and weblinks to: 38 Stanesfield Rd, Cambridge, CB5 8NH England. 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Thu Mar 31 21:01:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35060-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34971 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:01:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 34960 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:01:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:59:40 -0500 From: Nick S <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.210] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ig11B3nExeW2gU6G9BCTrg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2005 21:01:24.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC8AE0A0:01C53634] --Boundary_(ID_Ig11B3nExeW2gU6G9BCTrg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all...new to the list...anyways, quick question for the emu heads here....what are the main differences between the e64 and e6400 samplers? ive been looking to get an emu for awhile, and now, it seems the price is finally right for me. --Boundary_(ID_Ig11B3nExeW2gU6G9BCTrg)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 31 13:33:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35059-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29287 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:33:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 29267 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:33:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:33:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Contents Onda Sonora 30/03/05 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NvjTDYUl3+PNRbIjg8VjSw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_NvjTDYUl3+PNRbIjg8VjSw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) ·Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM Miércoles/Wednesday 15h -www.circulobellasartes.com ·Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h -www.uam.es/ra ·Listen live real time -www.ondasonoraradio.com _________________________________ CONTENIDOS ONDA SONORA 30/03/05 01. HAIR POLICE Track: The Hills Have Eyes Album: Hair Police & Dead Machines - Split LP Label: Gods of Tundra & American Tapes Trabajo compartido por dos bandas de noise del entorno de Michigan, Hair Police y Dead Machines, grabado con motivo de la última gira conjunta de ambas. "The Hills Have Eyes" es la cara de Hair Police, combo formado por Robert Beatty, Trevor Tremaine y Mike Connelly Split work by two noise bands from the Michigan area, Hair Police and Dead Machines, recorded for their last combined tour. "The Hills Have Eyes" is Hair Police's side, a combo formed by Robert Beatty, Trevor Tremaine and Mike Connelly 02. ERIC BOLLMAN Track: 3 Album: Untitled Label: Fat Cat Eric Bollman es músico, artista visual y diseñador residente en Nueva York, cuya obra parte de grabaciones de campo, sobre las que trabaja composiciones ambientales como esta, incluída en un disco sin título, y que recientemente ha editado el sello británico Fat Cat en la sección dedicada a demos recibidas en su página web Eric Bollman is a musician, visual artist and designer residing in New York, whose work departs from field recordings, over which he works environmental compositions like this, included in an untitled album, that has recently been published on the British label Fat Cat in its demo section. 03. MINAMO Track: We Were Album: Shining Label: 12k El cuarteto japonés Minamo, con su quinto trabajo hasta la fecha, repleto como siempre de atmósferas vagas y evasivas, en esta ocasión con un acercamiento mucho más agresivo entre el post-rock, la improvisación y la electrónica digital Este es su debut en el sello norteamericano 12K dirigido por Taylor Deupree The Japanese quartet Minamo, with their fifth work so far, replete as always of evasive atmospheres, in this occasion with a much more aggressive approach between post-rock, improvisation and digital electronics. This is their debut on the North American label 12K, directed by Taylor Deupree 04. KOJI ASANO Track: Sanctuary On Reclaimed Land Album: Sanctuary On Reclaimed Land Label: Solstice Koji Asano es un joven artista japonés que ha residido en ciudades como Londres, Tokyo y Barcelona, hasta hace poco. Se trata de un imaginativo y prolífico compositor electroacústico con más de 30 referencias en sólo una década de producción, sobre todo para cd pero también para teatro, cine, u ocasiones como ésta, la muestra Sound Art Lab, celebrada en Osaka en Junio del año pasado, utilizando ordenador portátil y una variada gama de instrumentos que se transforman constantemente en algo nuevo Koji Asano is a young japanese artist that has resided in cities like London, Tokyo and Barcelona (til recently). He is an imaginative and fruitful electroacoustic composer with more than 30 references in only a decade of production, mainly for cd but also for theater, cinema, or, like this, for the Sound Art Lab exhibition, held in Osaka in June 2004, using laptop and a varied range of instruments that are constantly transforming into something new 05. CAMPING Track: 3 Republica Album: Dancing Days Label: Astro Corte que cierra "Dancing Days", el nuevo disco del quinteto catalán Camping tras su debut del año pasado "Photo Finish", caminando hacia terrenos cada vez más experimentales investigando en el ambiente. Un trabajo para el sello Astro que cuenta con la colaboración, entre otros, del afamado productor norteamericano Scott Herren, Prefuse 73 Last track of "Dancing Days", the new record by the Catalan quintet Camping, after their last year's debut "Photo Finish", walking towards more experimental lands, investigating in the atmospheres. A work for the Astro label that counts with the collaboration, among others, of the famous North American producer Scott Herren, Prefuse 73 _____ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas gracias Note: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could be interesting for you. If that’s not your case, then reply us with this subject for the message: “delete me”, and you will be inmediately out from the mailing. Thank you --------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_NvjTDYUl3+PNRbIjg8VjSw)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 31 10:09:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35058-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82919 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 82909 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:07:46 -0800 From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] Unintentional bounce To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20050331.020746.3280.8.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fuGZIsQnzPDkjQP1xy1e4g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvSgO9lrKHp+cXRqHN2BzN25gXaP/z2oiCA== X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4105889965 X-MAIL-INFO: 2c397c854d2885d1c5a818bcc9b91811acdc11485561c9d8e5dd958838b571689c486dc1098989e9b55d680c8c68ec496ce99c3921ed31993535bccd11f5317c5c9d9db1d52d7901294c816da9bdb84949b9c9b5988888f1c84de8b5911568181c5d4dc5c50d1525555d8cccacac X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fuGZIsQnzPDkjQP1xy1e4g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I just tried sending a test on the "micro announce" list and my e-mail bounced... No wonder some people are still posting announcements here. ;o) Best, Dale Dale Lloyd: http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html and/OAR: http://www.and-oar.org/ NEW: Turba / Lateral Minor (Stasisfield.com) NEW: Volatile And Fixed Principles (leerraum) --Boundary_(ID_fuGZIsQnzPDkjQP1xy1e4g)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 31 05:35:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35057-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1805 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:35:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 1795 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:35:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PeDaRO5NXVvIXWgT5w1UFBFmPnEIzB+2STW9W3BiXaskTdNNJVfvFGnAIdi0wzEENee1O1fHNfz+s5PeVOPGNzZ5VwWewMPT1hwmVWu5uqTu5ccQUoTyGNvkJBvYv98jF7zn3ueXk+E5ofSVuIf+qc0pKOIuoTLp7cJtMvznN/A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I like the idea of improvising with Market St. on backup. I'm curious about your approach. andrew --- Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Fwiw I find "unintentional" is a distinction > that only meaningfully > > > adheres to human-produced sound; that it's a > category error > > > (irrelevant) to call weather-sound (say) > intentional or un-. > > > > i was at a Phil Dadson concert (legendary NZ > improviser/artist) last > > night, and at one point he was making music that > merged with noises the > > air conditioning in the room was making, made you > /aware/ of the sound > > of it even. at what point does the unintentional > become the intentional? > > For me that's an easy one -- the A/C was of course > unintentional at a > casual level of description, but Dadson was > intentionally integrating it > (based on your description) into the "authorized" > soundscape... I'm pretty > sure I remember perceiving Richard Chartier doing > that with the rattle of > the HVAC at CEAIT a couple years ago, but it could > have been "active > perception" on my part. :) > > I may have said before on the list ~ for me the > moments I have most valued > as a performer are *exactly* those moments when I > can encourage things > like this -- a breakdown between the categories of > desired and undesired > sound -- between those phenomena we award our > attention to and attend to, > and those we reject as... "noise." > > Harmonizing with the 60 cycle hum in the house PA, > always nice. Live > miking the audience or live processing local > environmental sound is > something people have done numerous times at the > Field Effets shows I've > hosted. The Infrasound collaboration between Scott > Arford and Randy Yau > was memorable for the way they intentionally used > very low frequency sound > (not true infrasound incidentally) to "reify" the > architecture of our > building -- by making different loose window panes > etc rattle and > rustle at their various resonant frequenciees. > > For me some of my best moments have happened > presenting work at the > Luggage Store here in SF, which is perched above a > noisy section of > "sketchy" Market Street -- the whistles, > above-ground rail, subway, crazy > people, pimps, sirens, etc. inevitably integrate > into whatever I'm doing > and several times I've been able to blend the > boundaries enough to provoke > people to talk with me about afterwards. > > If someone momentarily forgets what they're > "supposed" to be listening to > and hears everything in their environment naively... > I consider my work > done. :) > > best, > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Thu Mar 31 02:02:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35056-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36113 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:02:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 36096 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:02:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: Damian Stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Fwiw I find "unintentional" is a distinction that only meaningfully > > adheres to human-produced sound; that it's a category error > > (irrelevant) to call weather-sound (say) intentional or un-. > > i was at a Phil Dadson concert (legendary NZ improviser/artist) last > night, and at one point he was making music that merged with noises the > air conditioning in the room was making, made you /aware/ of the sound > of it even. at what point does the unintentional become the intentional? For me that's an easy one -- the A/C was of course unintentional at a casual level of description, but Dadson was intentionally integrating it (based on your description) into the "authorized" soundscape... I'm pretty sure I remember perceiving Richard Chartier doing that with the rattle of the HVAC at CEAIT a couple years ago, but it could have been "active perception" on my part. :) I may have said before on the list ~ for me the moments I have most valued as a performer are *exactly* those moments when I can encourage things like this -- a breakdown between the categories of desired and undesired sound -- between those phenomena we award our attention to and attend to, and those we reject as... "noise." Harmonizing with the 60 cycle hum in the house PA, always nice. Live miking the audience or live processing local environmental sound is something people have done numerous times at the Field Effets shows I've hosted. The Infrasound collaboration between Scott Arford and Randy Yau was memorable for the way they intentionally used very low frequency sound (not true infrasound incidentally) to "reify" the architecture of our building -- by making different loose window panes etc rattle and rustle at their various resonant frequenciees. For me some of my best moments have happened presenting work at the Luggage Store here in SF, which is perched above a noisy section of "sketchy" Market Street -- the whistles, above-ground rail, subway, crazy people, pimps, sirens, etc. inevitably integrate into whatever I'm doing and several times I've been able to blend the boundaries enough to provoke people to talk with me about afterwards. If someone momentarily forgets what they're "supposed" to be listening to and hears everything in their environment naively... I consider my work done. :) best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 31 01:24:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35055-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1684 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:24:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 1674 invoked from network); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:24:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [REMINDER] NAW AND FRIENDS LIVE APRIL 1ST 2005 mtl To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dreaming.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx APRIL 1st 2005 Noise Factory Records will be holding another one of its artist showcase series at the Casa Del Popolo. This time around Noise Factory presents label artist NAW performing live along side 2 of his favorite local Montreal electronic music making collectives; Le-son666's very own INTERCOM and Panospria's ARGON FLOOZY. The night will be a FREE no frills but all thrills type of evening and promisses to feature all new material by these 3 local montreal electronic music talents. so make sure to come out and get your chin scratching, head bobbing, body moving, feet shuffeling thing on FRIDAY APRIL 1 2005 at the Casa Del Popolo 4873 St-Laurent, show time is 9pm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FRIDAY APRIL 1st 2005 Noise Factory Records brings you another night of free live music featuring live performances by: NAW - gearing up for yet another new release this time on the newly founded quebec city label pertin_nce, as well as an up comming appearence at this years SONAR festival in barcelona spain, NAW will once again showcase his own personal take on post electronic dance music featureing all new never heard befor material, so get ready to have your dancing feet on and your head ready for some bobbing as you never really know what to expect from a live set by this artist. also appearing on this special night will be 2 of naws personal favorite local artists: INTERCOM - le-son666's very onw electronic trio will showcase new digital beats and crunchy noises, dancing or trying-to-dance is recommended. ARGON FLOOZY - panospria's newset sextet project will construct and manipulate a sonic whirlpool of moody music and dense soundscapes with their unusual instruments and strange techniques. and rounding out the nigths entertainment will be last minute special guest mp3 dj selector DJ NAWPOD NAWPOD will be helping to keep the party going before, after and in between the live musical acts for the evening with various selections from canadian indie mp3 netlabels. when: FRIDAY APRIL 1 2005 where: CASA DEL POPOLO, 4873 St-Laurent time: 9pm how much: FREE for more info visit: http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com contact xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx or xxx@xxxxxx.xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BIOS/INFO NOISE FACTORY RECORDS http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com Taken from various interviews with Joe English, Noise Factory Records the man behind the label: "All roads lead back to Joy Division. They were the most influential band during my teen years. From that point, everything else fell into place. At one point I was so into electronic industrial music that I began adopting the anti-guitar philosophy of Test Department. That didnt last long. The next major influence came with David Sylvians Secrets of the Beehive. I suppose these two musical styles represent the scope of what would become Noise Factory Records. As for the Noise Factory, it began as a college radio show on CHRY during the early 90s. The show played mainly industrial, electronic and ambient music. We had a couple of parties under the Noise Factory moniker, but once we graduated university it all kind of ended. Life began to play its cruel little game. I got a job at IBM and hated every day. So I started the label in 1996. I knew nothing about running a label, and I had no contacts but I had a good friend that was in a band, and wanted to put out an album. It made sense at the time and it still makes sense." "The Noise Factory is not made up of musicians or former record executives. The Noise Factory came into existence out of a need and desire for something new. We truly believe the music we represent is some of the most wonderful and beautiful music currently being made. Unlike many indie labels we offer a different viewpoint, one of the music lover and consumer." NAW www.noisefactoryrecords.com montreal native neil wiernik began his explorations in electronic music making as early as 1988. known to push the boundaries of his musical form, naws music is a blend of sound manipulation/design, experimental music and dub-tech rhythms, which on the surface sound quite simple, but incorporate a number of touches that steer this artist away from being simply another minimal techno or experimental laptop artist. he combines post-house, dubby minimal techno, microsound and thick ambience, to create his own version of deep techno, house and other electronic laptop oriented musics. neil has released music on various national and international record labels, including recent releases on clevermusic, pertin_nce, and his follow up full length to his 2002 noise factory release called green nights orange days. naw has recently returned from tours in france, germany, and canada. to co-enside with his recent releases on noise factory and clevermusic and plans to return to europe this summer for more tours including a performance at the now legendary sonar festival in barcelona, spain. naw is currently preparing a new release titled terrain vague for the pertin_nce label out of quebec city due for release in early April 2005. INTERCOM http://www.le-son666.com/intercom The electronic trio intercom will showcase new digital beats and crunchy noises (some of it could appear on their upcoming full-lenght) along with radical reworkings of their first self-titled cd. Dancing/trying-to-dance is recommended. And be warned: any boring chin-strokers will be shot on sight. Okay? Argon Floozy http://www.panospria.com/ A local sextet mostly comprised of members from the Panospria collective, Argon Floozy is their latest group project since Kokoro No Jojishi in 2003. On this evening they will construct and manipulate a sonic whirlpool of moody music and dense soundscapes with their unusual instruments and strange techniques. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 30 21:43:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35054-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19042 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:43:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 19032 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:43:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:43:17 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I think maybe the word unintentional is an improper choice in this > context. He seems to be intentionally recording a sound that is a sonic > feature of a given location. Granted, he is not staging the sound, or > manipulating the drain, etc. But to call any sound that is recorded > with such care and precision unintentional is misleading. Perhaps a > word like "field recording" or "non-instrumental" or "incidental" might > be more appropriate. To clarify: in the original context I was refering to "unintentional sounds" as the *subject* of my phonography ("aesthetically motivated field recording" is how I usually gloss phonography, not my coinage of course; "philosophically" or "conceptually" or "politically" etc might work as well). Not the result (recording). I.e. it's not my *recording* which is unintentional (just as you say). Though my wife might say it's become reflexive and unconsidered (on a bad day) ;). I was offering this recording as an example which documents the kinds of sounds I find are the focus of my field recording practice: compelling but unintentional ones (or: conjunctions and serendipities and soundscapes). Unintentional on the part of any agent in the sound's creation. Unintentional in the brute lay sense of conscious/design decision. The fact that this is a distinctive "feature" (soundmark) of the space/time it's located in is precisely why I find it interesting and why I recorded it. :) Fwiw I find "unintentional" is a distinction that only meaningfully adheres to human-produced sound; that it's a category error (irrelevant) to call weather-sound (say) intentional or un-. On the other hand there's something interesting when you extend this distinction to the sounds of life, especially along the boundary conditions -- e.g. the yeast cells which vibrate in the human-audible frequency range -- but that's just becase we have complicated ideas about non-human (living) agency. Do frogs intend to attract mates or mark their territory? But then again... do I? :) best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 30 20:32:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35053-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91339 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:32:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 91329 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:32:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:30:23 +0200 From: Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] collaborate? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Organization: block 4 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx xxx@xxxxxx.xx wrote: > High, > > I am looking for collaborators in the vacinity of Hamburg, Germany. I > am a bass player interested in recording/performing with musicians who > code and improvise with software (like Super Collider, Max/MSP and > Reaktor). For those of you not familiar with me or my work, i am > primarily an improvisor with electric upright bass (as opposed to a > laptop) as my instrument. I explore drone based structures. For a more > concrete idea of what i do, check out my latest release "Exquisite > Noise" here: http://cdbaby.com/jairrohmpw. I am in Hamurg an average of > four days a month and would like to use the opportunity to make new > music with new people. > > Thanks, > > Jair-Rohm Parker Wells > Hello, I am mediartist, programmer and musician from Hamburg, contact me on or offlist to get more info about local possibilities like Heiner Metzgers Impro Group, the Hörbar venue and myself... Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- New release: Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of disorder' on http://www.disorder-records.de more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 30 20:17:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35052-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84116 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:17:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 84106 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:17:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:17:19 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound In-reply-to: <003301c53563$ec4163f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=d69b1UvlhCk96CNZE04pny6Ue9DKyy1GulDXtxP8TmR3rvHpnE6qJdf9DcgDLlRP9mQnlIbATdA/Fq+ele7nOWYzazos1caw3GoE9gTQPMZ9hRFsqKSI4R/oO2/DBV810gn5xYi+2FrZWDd80kk0MjzqUAvzOVhW4SJPG2p9qtw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <003301c53563$ec4163f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > the one that springs to mind is an audible fart in a public place causing > embarrassment/shame to the originator Hah! Oh man, I must be an unintentional noise artist then. ~Kyle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 30 20:17:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35051-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83107 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 83097 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound In-reply-to: <003301c53563$ec4163f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Y+ymNlvmpnBpASaPcXDLJk1p53MijZwcalB5NI9moUFN7PlOjTi9MPcfMAmhCttlSWsxc865mCX9S0cqof9viJGPqZdcsmFa+8mzcmmli6UluVU6uTGxWBlx4i+tuxv0zhwkxERgFh6UbtPTk463IwdOT4V+Fx9BvEFCvsjJe+U= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think maybe the word unintentional is an improper choice in this context. He seems to be intentionally recording a sound that is a sonic feature of a given location. Granted, he is not staging the sound, or manipulating the drain, etc. But to call any sound that is recorded with such care and precision unintentional is misleading. Perhaps a word like "field recording" or "non-instrumental" or "incidental" might be more appropriate. just my two cents, andrew --- "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > it should be a sound that is made but is not > intended > > 'intended' implies a subjective decision that no > sound should be emitted by > design > > so an unintended sound would be a sound that has > leaked out due to a > fault/oversight of a designed system or system which > retained in a state of > control by a 'thinking' entity.... > > the one that springs to mind is an audible fart in a > public place causing > embarrassment/shame to the originator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andrew benson" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound > > > > Sounds pretty intentional to me. Am I missing > > something? > > > > andrew > > --- Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> Earlier this month I wrote: > >> > >> > A logical conclusion from the premise of > >> phonography ("unintentional > >> > sound is worth listening to") is that the goal > is > >> not so much to share > >> > specific recordings, but to cultivate and > >> inculcate a particular kind of > >> > intentional listening (ie attention) both as a > >> practioner and in the > >> > "audience." > >> > >> Kim asked me what I meant by "unintentional > sound"; > >> this weekend I > >> happened to record what I consider to be a > perfect > >> example; I just > >> put up an excerpt on my site here: > >> > >> > >> > > > http://www.quietamerican.org/download/dropbox/Harbin/ > >> > >> The sound in question was the continual chaotic > (in > >> both a technical and > >> visceral sense) burbling of a swimming pool drain > at > >> some developed > >> hotsprings near Calistoga. > >> > >> The two recordings "Harbin Hotsprings Pool..." > are > >> the drain. It was at > >> water level and was making variations on this > >> variously musical and static > >> burble for the three days we were there. I > recorded > >> it for about an hour > >> total and was interrupted by security only twice. > :) > >> > >> As labeled, one was recorded with my head-mounted > >> Sonic Studios DSM-6S/EH > >> mics, and the other was my first try with a new > >> Aquarian H2 hydrophone > >> (not simultaneous recordings sadly). > >> > >> The generator off to stage left also provides the > >> resonant hum in the > >> hydrophone recording I believe. A good argument > for > >> a directional mic! > >> > >> Btw the other two files in that directory were > frogs > >> recorded a quarter > >> mile away -- one (as labeled) that I took a 30 > >> second stab at "cleaing up" > >> to remove the gray noise of a stream a few > hundred > >> feet away and some mic > >> hiss... > >> > >> best, > >> aaron > >> > >> xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > >> http://www.quietamerican.org > >> > >> | quod omne animal post | > >> | cogitum est triste... | > >> > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > Andrew Benson > > www.cloud-machine.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Wed Mar 30 20:06:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35050-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77374 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:06:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 77358 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:06:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:06:11 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003301c53563$ec4163f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it should be a sound that is made but is not intended 'intended' implies a subjective decision that no sound should be emitted by design so an unintended sound would be a sound that has leaked out due to a fault/oversight of a designed system or system which retained in a state of control by a 'thinking' entity.... the one that springs to mind is an audible fart in a public place causing embarrassment/shame to the originator ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew benson" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound > Sounds pretty intentional to me. Am I missing > something? > > andrew > --- Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Earlier this month I wrote: >> >> > A logical conclusion from the premise of >> phonography ("unintentional >> > sound is worth listening to") is that the goal is >> not so much to share >> > specific recordings, but to cultivate and >> inculcate a particular kind of >> > intentional listening (ie attention) both as a >> practioner and in the >> > "audience." >> >> Kim asked me what I meant by "unintentional sound"; >> this weekend I >> happened to record what I consider to be a perfect >> example; I just >> put up an excerpt on my site here: >> >> >> > http://www.quietamerican.org/download/dropbox/Harbin/ >> >> The sound in question was the continual chaotic (in >> both a technical and >> visceral sense) burbling of a swimming pool drain at >> some developed >> hotsprings near Calistoga. >> >> The two recordings "Harbin Hotsprings Pool..." are >> the drain. It was at >> water level and was making variations on this >> variously musical and static >> burble for the three days we were there. I recorded >> it for about an hour >> total and was interrupted by security only twice. :) >> >> As labeled, one was recorded with my head-mounted >> Sonic Studios DSM-6S/EH >> mics, and the other was my first try with a new >> Aquarian H2 hydrophone >> (not simultaneous recordings sadly). >> >> The generator off to stage left also provides the >> resonant hum in the >> hydrophone recording I believe. A good argument for >> a directional mic! >> >> Btw the other two files in that directory were frogs >> recorded a quarter >> mile away -- one (as labeled) that I took a 30 >> second stab at "cleaing up" >> to remove the gray noise of a stream a few hundred >> feet away and some mic >> hiss... >> >> best, >> aaron >> >> xxxxx@xxxx.xxx >> http://www.quietamerican.org >> >> | quod omne animal post | >> | cogitum est triste... | >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > Andrew Benson > www.cloud-machine.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. > http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 30 20:00:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35049-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73035 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:00:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 73025 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:00:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Unintentional sound In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2KqWvy4hWuBN4KZXti55jo7e+9450z100jT5Xu0Z6Jcodck1vXWA47JhQp119F64+KJsEexKBDUdFPFi/0hDNMWDH92kq0aK2ycbGtWE9Y0tWFgRmRVu4tV2RFbiF/4+M/MsmJe9+fDaC1Udt5FnhZo0O6Ja0q9GxcM1eapc9Wo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sounds pretty intentional to me. Am I missing something? andrew --- Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Earlier this month I wrote: > > > A logical conclusion from the premise of > phonography ("unintentional > > sound is worth listening to") is that the goal is > not so much to share > > specific recordings, but to cultivate and > inculcate a particular kind of > > intentional listening (ie attention) both as a > practioner and in the > > "audience." > > Kim asked me what I meant by "unintentional sound"; > this weekend I > happened to record what I consider to be a perfect > example; I just > put up an excerpt on my site here: > > > http://www.quietamerican.org/download/dropbox/Harbin/ > > The sound in question was the continual chaotic (in > both a technical and > visceral sense) burbling of a swimming pool drain at > some developed > hotsprings near Calistoga. > > The two recordings "Harbin Hotsprings Pool..." are > the drain. It was at > water level and was making variations on this > variously musical and static > burble for the three days we were there. I recorded > it for about an hour > total and was interrupted by security only twice. :) > > As labeled, one was recorded with my head-mounted > Sonic Studios DSM-6S/EH > mics, and the other was my first try with a new > Aquarian H2 hydrophone > (not simultaneous recordings sadly). > > The generator off to stage left also provides the > resonant hum in the > hydrophone recording I believe. A good argument for > a directional mic! > > Btw the other two files in that directory were frogs > recorded a quarter > mile away -- one (as labeled) that I took a 30 > second stab at "cleaing up" > to remove the gray noise of a stream a few hundred > feet away and some mic > hiss... > > best, > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Wed Mar 30 11:50:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35048-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88730 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:50:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 88718 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:50:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Unintentional sound To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Earlier this month I wrote: > A logical conclusion from the premise of phonography ("unintentional > sound is worth listening to") is that the goal is not so much to share > specific recordings, but to cultivate and inculcate a particular kind of > intentional listening (ie attention) both as a practioner and in the > "audience." Kim asked me what I meant by "unintentional sound"; this weekend I happened to record what I consider to be a perfect example; I just put up an excerpt on my site here: http://www.quietamerican.org/download/dropbox/Harbin/ The sound in question was the continual chaotic (in both a technical and visceral sense) burbling of a swimming pool drain at some developed hotsprings near Calistoga. The two recordings "Harbin Hotsprings Pool..." are the drain. It was at water level and was making variations on this variously musical and static burble for the three days we were there. I recorded it for about an hour total and was interrupted by security only twice. :) As labeled, one was recorded with my head-mounted Sonic Studios DSM-6S/EH mics, and the other was my first try with a new Aquarian H2 hydrophone (not simultaneous recordings sadly). The generator off to stage left also provides the resonant hum in the hydrophone recording I believe. A good argument for a directional mic! Btw the other two files in that directory were frogs recorded a quarter mile away -- one (as labeled) that I took a 30 second stab at "cleaing up" to remove the gray noise of a stream a few hundred feet away and some mic hiss... best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 30 10:17:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35047-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66546 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:17:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 66536 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:17:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:17:18 +0200 From: xxx@xxxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] collaborate? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx High, I am looking for collaborators in the vacinity of Hamburg, Germany. I am a bass player interested in recording/performing with musicians who code and improvise with software (like Super Collider, Max/MSP and Reaktor). For those of you not familiar with me or my work, i am primarily an improvisor with electric upright bass (as opposed to a laptop) as my instrument. I explore drone based structures. For a more concrete idea of what i do, check out my latest release "Exquisite Noise" here: http://cdbaby.com/jairrohmpw. I am in Hamurg an average of four days a month and would like to use the opportunity to make new music with new people. Thanks, Jair-Rohm Parker Wells "Dedicated to the pursuit of excellence" Glass Thought Communications Tel. +46 768 700976 http://members.chello.se/gtc/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Wed Mar 30 00:13:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35045-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85529 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:13:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 85508 invoked from network); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:13:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:12:29 +1000 From: Brendan Palmer <xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] FW: (Melbourne) two events ... In-reply-to: <BE702BAB.11117%xx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE702C0D.11152%xx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Two Melbourne events to take note of this week THURSDAY 31st of March Curse ov dialect Liones Barrage DJ Bacon Dubwise & bP play First floor doors open 9pm until v.late $6 ____________________ SUNDAY 3rd of April Steve Law vs Stephen Richards Ai Yamamoto Paul Abad (Bris) vs Jean P00le John Aslanidis EZ Flux & bP play Loop doors open 7pm until 1am 23 Meyers Place Melb CBD $5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 20:46:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35044-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7379 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:46:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 7367 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:46:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:45:59 +0100 From: ". m u r m e r ." <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [playlist] framework - 25.03.05 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <03f701c534a0$502411c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_r+5EWCG0z8BKXAkpd+kSJA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_r+5EWCG0z8BKXAkpd+kSJA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +++++ hi folks - this will be the last framework playlist posted to the microsound discussion list. if you'd like to keep receiving them, please either subscribe to the new microsound-announce list (http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce), or write to me directly to be added to my private mailing list. thanks for your time! patrick +++++ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework broadcasts live every friday (except the first one of each month) on resonance104.4fm in london (uk) or worldwide on http://www.resonancefm.com between 8:30 and 9:30pm gmt, and is repeated the following wednesday between 11:00am and 12:00 noon gmt next live broadcast: 08.04.05 ~ time zone converter: http://www.thesaturnv.com/converter.html RESONANCE FM'S PROGRAMMING IS PRODUCED ENTIRELY BY VOLUNTEERS; PLEASE HELP US TO CONTINUE BY MAKING A DONATION. 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THANK YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework - phonography/field recording; contextual and decontextualized sound activity presented by patrick mcginley an extensive look at the new touch records release by jacob kirkegaard this week, which is a collection of 'geothermal recordings of vibrations in the ground around the area of krisuvik, geysir and myvatin in iceland.' kirkegaard goes on to explain that 'the recordings have been carried out using accelerometers inserted in to the earth at various places around the geysers, mapping the volcanic aspects of volcanic activity at the surface of the earth.' a fascinating listen... we also heard new works by mnortham, cria cuervos, xabier erkizia, hitoshi kojo, and a documentation of pauline oliveros' nyc ringout demonstration (consisting of a score for mass public bell-ringing), as recorded by ben owen. and congrats to john exby, of littleton, colorado, usa, who won the copy of the split mnortham/tbc/brume cd that we gave away in our last regular show. we're building up a little stack of giveaways, so tune in if you'd like to snag one. and if your sending material in, consider sending 2 copies if you'd like to host a giveaway - as obviously it'll be so good that if you only send one i'll have to keep it! ; ) again, we are always looking for material for the show, whether raw field recordings, field recording based composition or introduction submissions. send material, released or not, on any format, to the address below. we are also hoping to have live performances as often as possible, so if you are in or passing through london please get in touch! framework 31 nevill road london n16 8sl uk xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11.03.05 this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 30.03.05, at 11:00am gmt (artist / title / album / label) felicity ford / framework intro a watery intro, featuring some washing, some whistling and even some whirring... http://www.littlesongbox.co.uk jacob kirkegaard / ala / eldfjall / touch early rumbles make way for a shifting elemental rattle http://www.fonik.dk, http://www.touchmusic.ork.uk mnortham / track 2, track 3 / oreads / - self-released cdr of reworkings of sounds created for 'belle confusion 0247' with francisco lopez http://preg.org/~mnortham ben owen / edit 1 / ringout observance nyc 082704 / - documentation of pauline oliveros ringout demo - see the website below for more info ringout: http://www.ringout.org, ben owen: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx jacob kirkegaard / gaea / eldfjall / touch quiet distant knocking, wisping flows, eventual almost animal swarming http://www.fonik.dk, http://www.touchmusic.ork.uk xabier erkizia / entresol III / entresol / antifrost overlapping series of background statics, pure low level environmental recording http://www.ertza.net, http://www.antifrost.gr cria cuervos / track 1 / leitfossilien / mystery sea minimal whispers, organic cries, caught in the rain http://www.criacuervos.4t.com, http://www.mysterysea.net jacob kirkegaard / nerthus / eldfjall / touch vicious windy beating - like being on the wing of an airplane http://www.fonik.dk, http://www.touchmusic.ork.uk hitoshi kojo / hiruko / ezo / optia grating metal, creaking hinges, an icy hollow rattling xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx jacob kirkegaard / coatlicue / eldfjall / touch deeper, engine-like rumbling; stay alert - eruptions? http://www.fonik.dk, http://www.touchmusic.ork.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework intro submissions: 1) take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice 2) record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you - 3) read the following text: welcome to framework. framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition. field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen! 4) continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking 5) send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia. drop in here to have a look: http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php framework 2003 resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting rob grant & melanie clifford / framework intro thomas dimuzio / unearth & lift and spear / sonicism / rrrecords chris watson / river mara at night / stepping into the dark / touch johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux toy bizarre / - / kdi dctb 116 / absurd murmer / liquid solid / definition / absurd jgrzinich & seth nehil / the distant edge / confluence / intransitive seth nehil & jgrzinich / the mirrored corner / stria / erewhon annette lissauer / framework intro toby paddock / air, surface and magnetic vibrations / - / - steve roden / - / resonant cities / trente oiseaux francisco lopez / untitled #101 / untitled (2000) / ignis projekt mnortham / ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org the quiet american / donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org steve barsotti / trainyard presence / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org k. m. krebs / jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan) / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org david daniell / highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm / sem / antiopic joyce hinterding / - / spectral / antiopic/sigma editions david daniell / dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am / sem / antiopic tacet ncv / live on framework jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler / live on framework dallas simpson / framework intro --Boundary_(ID_r+5EWCG0z8BKXAkpd+kSJA)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 20:35:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35043-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1835 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:35:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 1744 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:35:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] new interfacer group In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oxWGAr/umtLQjlR+Zg/UMoIq5ICFg8AhbWnxn14RnsuMQK8DjE9EGyfUcZoabNNc+AEK/VA5efykSvtr0Zw3JtMCpSHnDJrmLr8smFKa7aB2XrFDiox5K1kub5dvSfo4lytO+YyaVWX/k3gwPTb3JYnUmWCACare198C6ySDFwU= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have created a new yahoo group for people interested in custom control interfaces, i.e. modified joysticks, input devices, etc. to join: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 19:43:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35042-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79256 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:43:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 79245 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:43:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:43:32 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Announce List Behavior... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-D5A7575CA08A11D99614000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx john saylor wrote on 3/29/05: >mailman [the list software] can be configured to have several >different kinds of behavior. the settings are pretty much defaults >now. the 'reply' preferences usually end up going into a rat hole >[endless discussion of opinions masquerading as bald truth], but if >the over all community would prefer a config change, i'm quite willing >to implement it. Not trying to make more work for you, John, but I'd think that both lists ought to function in the same way. I think it would keep confusion to a minimum. >threads are often based on the subject line. what header were you >looking for? Again, I don't know much about this stuff, but I think the "In-reply-to:", "Message-id:", and "References:" fields would be important. But maybe some of these are added by the client mailer and not the list server, however... >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 02:25:48 +0100 >From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** >In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Message-id: <l03130309be6a6a38ff6c@[213.84.105.55]> >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Precedence: bulk >Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm >X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >X-No-Archive: yes >Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Best, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 17:02:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35041-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9786 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:02:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 9773 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:02:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:43 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Announce List Behavior... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, anechoic <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ryEIy8cdlgQ9ln0j7+5SShmvcYx9m3YVc6qn84h1QvWgpMIT2IW8qTTz4XRuSnuvuxahWFT8Y4kPgCzX9xDwNau2HmrOALmusxwPhZvZlJDNiy16hJVZwAt801vXoGKtl0y+FUpUIcu/89rJRJIJzrqve37HHmvQfJ7BZStT3h0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:45:30 -0500, vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If you reply, you're replied personally to the sender and not to the > list. mailman [the list software] can be configured to have several different kinds of behavior. the settings are pretty much defaults now. the 'reply' preferences usually end up going into a rat hole [endless discussion of opinions masquerading as bald truth], but if the over all community would prefer a config change, i'm quite willing to implement it. > Also, I'm no mail list guru, but looking at the headers, it appears that > there isn't any support for threads. threads are often based on the subject line. what header were you looking for? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 17:02:47 2005 Return-path: <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1828185rng for <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.71.31 with SMTP id t31mr1548360rna; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.9.60 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:02:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:43 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: Announce List Behavior... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, anechoic <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ryEIy8cdlgQ9ln0j7+5SShmvcYx9m3YVc6qn84h1QvWgpMIT2IW8qTTz4XRuSnuvuxahWFT8Y4kPgCzX9xDwNau2HmrOALmusxwPhZvZlJDNiy16hJVZwAt801vXoGKtl0y+FUpUIcu/89rJRJIJzrqve37HHmvQfJ7BZStT3h0= References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:45:30 -0500, vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If you reply, you're replied personally to the sender and not to the > list. mailman [the list software] can be configured to have several different kinds of behavior. the settings are pretty much defaults now. the 'reply' preferences usually end up going into a rat hole [endless discussion of opinions masquerading as bald truth], but if the over all community would prefer a config change, i'm quite willing to implement it. > Also, I'm no mail list guru, but looking at the headers, it appears that > there isn't any support for threads. threads are often based on the subject line. what header were you looking for? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 16:39:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35040-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4025 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:39:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 4013 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:39:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:39:51 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BFUB2tij5G8WpOTnefx9svfUduLJEiq4g1UGk2p/GugRkUdWAdqSvTBppwe3dTJYOiI3U+WrYhie3n+c1VbtSfwl/Vgb7ZH+2PR0GD6RdyrcOngRjmEuZbiH17WUshVfCHgV0CX4kjZFU9sA5fgRwweXBvgtDRZb+l2FvLw+g4U= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi > Matt Davignon wrote on 3/27/05: > >I did try to sign up for the annoucements list. It > >sent me an email to confirm, but when I replied to > >that email, it bounced. On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:16:51 -0500, vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm getting a similar response: sorry- i'm fixing that now. if you have problems with the microsound-announce list, please send them my way. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 05:06:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35039-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51135 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:06:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 51119 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:06:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Skypager pulls the feeding tube In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? 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Tue Mar 29 04:37:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35038-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44322 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:37:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 44312 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:37:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:37:17 +0800 From: "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] [news] headphone festival... In-reply-to: <r02010500-1038-B569C3189FD211D9A54F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-B569C3189FD211D9A54F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4389057.stm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 29 03:38:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35037-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30141 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:38:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 30129 invoked from network); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:38:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:37:36 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ignore my test, please In-reply-to: <r02010500-1038-B569C3189FD211D9A54F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-E52F4A80A00311D9A54F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx vze26m98 wrote on 3/28/05: <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 28 21:45:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35036-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20032 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:45:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 20022 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:45:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:45:30 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Announce List Behavior... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: anechoic <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-B569C3189FD211D9A54F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No, not an etiquette missive- Thanks to Gregory Elliot, the following seems to be going on with the announce-list: If you reply, you're replied personally to the sender and not to the list. You have to "reply all" to add the list to the cc: heading. I know lists all have their personalities, but I tend to prefer the ones that reply to the list primarily and only include the sender in a "reply all." Also, I'm no mail list guru, but looking at the headers, it appears that there isn't any support for threads. It might be nice to have this for those who read with mailers that support threading, like Mutt on Linux, etc... Best, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 28 18:01:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35035-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49690 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:01:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 49680 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:01:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:57:41 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] have an old PC collecting dust? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2005/03/23/ linuxmusic.html tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/6fck2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 28 17:09:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35034-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33642 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:09:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 33630 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:09:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:09:15 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] Phillips Toucam? In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-1D6F15D89FAC11D9A54F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey- Anybody know where to get the Phillips toucam for cheap in the US? 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Mon Mar 28 14:34:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35030-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87788 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:34:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 87777 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:34:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:34:21 +0200 From: Filip Gheysen <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] FW: glasvocht / nosordo compilation X-Originating-IP: [81.83.69.12] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2005 14:34:21.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B6E5720:01C533A3] >From: Filip Gheysen <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx >Subject: glasvocht / nosordo compilation >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:32:35 -0800 (PST) > >"We're for the Unknown, Unbought & Unbossed" >Glasvocht / Nosordo compilation cd > >all info about artists: >http://users.telenet.be/sub-ported/gvcd04/glasvocht-nosordo.htm > >info & order: >xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Mon Mar 28 12:18:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35029-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50088 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:18:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 50078 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:18:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:16:51 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-44A677C09F8311D9A0C9000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Matt Davignon wrote on 3/27/05: >I did try to sign up for the annoucements list. It >sent me an email to confirm, but when I replied to >that email, it bounced. I'm getting a similar response: >>Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: >> >> Recipient address: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Reason: Remote >> SMTP server has rejected address Diagnostic code: smtp;550 >> <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>: Recipient >> address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table Remote system: >> dns;www.nexthop.net (TCP|167.206.4.202|26098|209.6.82.6|25) >> (mail.or8.net ESMTP Postfix) Best, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 28 11:41:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35028-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43080 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:41:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 43069 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:41:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:41:00 +0200 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OTO ONKYO playlist To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bGvbwGlMX8CSuedueT7jvw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_bGvbwGlMX8CSuedueT7jvw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, This is OTO ONKYO, radio show broadcasted in Bordeaux (France) on Radio Sauvagine (94.9FM) every friday at 20h30 This is the last playlist >>>> Akihiro Kubota _ 020331 live Weltecho _ #4 (disc 2) Weltecho _ #5 (disc 2) Eric Leonardson _ Live at sing sweet software Heller _ ETE2.2 _ .09..03. _ n_rec Greg Davis + Keith Fullertonwithman _ Williamsburg, va _ clip Stephan Mathieu _ d as in dub (live) Section Amour _ EVENT 20_14 (live) Michael Gendreau _ Pas de ligne au No 3 The Remote Viewer _ be honest _ the noise & the city (v/a) -_-_-_unknow_-_-_- Curtis Roads _ Half Life part 1_ Or some computer music (2) (v/a) Phonecia _ non specific accoustic simulation _ Or some computer music (2) (v/a) http://oto-onkyo.blogspot.com Thanks to everyone who send me sounds, i will diffuse them soon. cheers, Dimitri --Boundary_(ID_bGvbwGlMX8CSuedueT7jvw)-- From ???@??? Mon Mar 28 07:03:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35027-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43318 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:03:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 43308 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:03:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:03:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I did try to sign up for the annoucements list. It sent me an email to confirm, but when I replied to that email, it bounced. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 28 06:55:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35026-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40161 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:52:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 40151 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:52:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:52:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >I still do not understand why we have to >segregate the content and the discussion >of the content. or am I being obtuse?? From my experience with different music discussion mailing lists, I think this is a good idea. If a discussion list gets to a point where there's 3 times as many announcements as discussion, people tend to stop looking to that list for discussion. On the other hand, one of the local lists here (SF bay area new music discussion) also followed the path of seperating the discussion from announcements. The result of that is the announcement list has many more subscribers - lots of people who want to keep up on shows, but don't have time or mailbox space to read through all the dialog. I actually run a list now that has no discussion and no gig announcements. 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Mon Mar 28 01:05:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35024-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57900 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:05:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 57890 invoked from network); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:05:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:05:45 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eVicJXZ7P+7dhTsrPQ3lqqWvVm0+6qBmqVC+UutQUr1PIaLqIN2B2xk8J32mj0lfJ+7c5kXrXdVhsWj+X2ohxu2AJZyLUVs8yJSxlEmd1W6m1OoPIiPJzkmmkL5mpSyh1dHSm7u6078+i6Z3xcAZPTUmAxe4C9PGP2eDhI6OdBk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i think this is great. should make both discussion and annoucements more effective and focused. thanks john and kim! -andrew __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sun Mar 27 21:27:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35023-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5976 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:27:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 5955 invoked from network); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:26:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:26:50 -0400 From: microbio <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Suramerica Electronica To: xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Matched-Lists: [] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on rs26s12.datacenter.cha.cantv.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.suramericaelectronica.org/ During the month of April Suramericelectronica, the internet community of latin american digital and electronic musicians, will be live-streaming his first Muestra en Linea de Música Electrónica y Digital from Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela and Mexico. The shows will be broadcasted every friday and saturday This is a great opportunity to get a good idea of what is going on in a continent that is integrating very fast and in which artists were used to have more contact with Europe and the USA than with their geographical neighbors. In the last last two years, interaction among Latin American musicians have increased substantially in part due to the internet, but also because of the recent electronic music festivals thrown in Peru, Colombia and Chile. With this sample, you will be able to get a taste of the well defined style of our scene characterized by the very spirit of our culture: diversity and openness: from Inka noise to minimal Gaucho and Mapuche IDM passing through Yanomami techno. We have put online some live-sets from past shows so that you have a reference of what is coming. Asteroide (Discos Invisibles) Tijuana, Mexico. setlive.mp3 | 22.23min | 40.9m <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/muestra_htm/asteroide.htm>> Cardopusher (-) Caracas, Venezuela.buenosgliches.mp3 | 22:26min | 41mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/buenos_glitches-cardo%201.mp3>> Cooptrol (Monteaudio) Montevideo, Uruguay. setsura.mp3 | 10:48min | 19.7mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/setsura-cooptrol%201.mp3>> Dilo (Zensible Rec) Buenos Aires , Argentina.liveset1.mp3 | 20:52min | 38.2mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/live_set1-dilo%201.mp3>> El Lazo Invisible (Discos Invisibles) Tijuana, Mexico.vaparati.mp3 | 21:29min | 39.3mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/vaparati_1-lazoinvisible%201.mp3>> Gurtz (Zensible Rec) Buenos Aires , Argentina. liveset.mp3 | 48:14min | 66.1mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/live_set-gurtz.mp3>> I/O (Discos invisibles) Tijuana, Mexico. sur.mp3 | 11:51min | 21.6mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/sur-io%201.mp3>> Protov (Series - Microbio) Medellin, Colombia.en_vivo.mp3 | 28:52min | 52.8mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/en_vivo-protov%201.mp3>> Rafael L. Garnica (LAE - Microbio) Merida, Venezuela. valecillos.mp3 | 26:33min | 46.6mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/valecillos%201.mp3>> Yopoman (Microbio) Merida, Venezuela. novela.mp3 | 38:12min | 69.9mb <<http://sur.microbiorecords.net/mp3/novela.mp3>> --------------------------------------- www.microbiorecords.net www.biodata.microbiorecords.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 27 13:56:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35022-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3413 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:56:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 3403 invoked from network); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:56:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:57:28 -0500 From: Chantale Laplante <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] munich To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi everyone, I am a composer - improviser based in Montreal and I have been invited to play at the Music Unlimited Festival in Wells (Austria) next Fall - ---- since this is not next door I am trying to connect with possible other performances---- I am curious about Munich.... Would anybody have information about the music scene of this Bavarian city------ Thank you Chantale Laplante http://www.electrocd.com/bio.e/laplante_ch.html to hear Brilliant Days - For 4 Ears - http://www.electrocd.com/bio.e/laplante_ch.cat.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 27 09:53:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35021-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49949 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:53:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 49939 invoked from network); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:53:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:53:13 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] micrsound edition :: root of sine To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001701c532b2$cd880c60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <002801c5320f$150933b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx root of sine :: microsound edition is available at audiobulb records under the 'project' page :::: www.audiobulb.com this edition (complete with artwork) comprises of tracks developed from a single second of 440 hz sinewave tone. the artists include regular contributers to the microsound mailing list. tracknumber : artist : track name 00 btb - wrong sine 01 mdb - wood 02 future remix - nothing is pure (clean) 03 staplerfahrer - the very same thing 04 miulew - three users 05 gintas l - snn 06 rafael flores - cansine 07 atonal01 - 440 armonicos 08 pino the frog - iowa altar 09 john hanes - sinesong 10 j dippold - sinewich 11 norma block - landing artwork by zevan rosser http://www.shapevent.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 22:11:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35020-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82972 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:11:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 82962 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:11:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:11:44 -0800 From: Trevor <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <002801c5320f$150933b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> X-Originating-IP: 24.80.170.176 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <002801c5320f$150933b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have no problem with the 'great divide.' I appreciate both streams of content, and actually like the idea of separation from a simply organizational p.o.v. Less time sorting email is more time makinf music. Works for me. Quoting Joakim Lindén <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx>: > I thought that with "Announcements" he meant "advertising of > events/products" and that such things could be made in another list... > > For us who are on this list to read and discuss music, sounds and other such > > things this will not bother us - it'll probably even be better. For those of > > you who are involved in these scenes across the globe and like to be updated > > about that, the new list will provide you with that... > > Am I right, or did I misunderstand? > > Joakim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cory" <xxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:42 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** > > > >I still do not understand why we have to segregate the content > > and the discussion of the content. or am I being obtuse?? > > > > ------------------------------------- > > audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 19:18:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35018-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23816 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:17:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 23806 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:17:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:17:50 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <063301c531cf$72680c60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-BF50D65C9E2B11D9832E000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I heard that Jeb Bush has called an emergency session of the Florida legislature to see if they can make the microsound list a ward of the state... <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 20:02:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35019-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41283 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:02:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 41271 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:02:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:21:15 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joakim_Lind=E9n?= <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002801c5320f$150933b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I thought that with "Announcements" he meant "advertising of events/products" and that such things could be made in another list... For us who are on this list to read and discuss music, sounds and other such things this will not bother us - it'll probably even be better. For those of you who are involved in these scenes across the globe and like to be updated about that, the new list will provide you with that... Am I right, or did I misunderstand? Joakim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory" <xxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** >I still do not understand why we have to segregate the content > and the discussion of the content. or am I being obtuse?? > > ------------------------------------- > audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 06:46:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35017-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60967 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:46:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 60957 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:46:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:44:52 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <063301c531cf$72680c60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i hope everyone ignores the other list and posts their announcements here robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory" <xxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** >I still do not understand why we have to segregate the content > and the discussion of the content. or am I being obtuse?? > > ------------------------------------- > audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 04:41:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35015-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35352 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:41:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 35339 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:41:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:43:00 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'd like to propose another list: "micro-managed-sound" on this list only those that intend to micro-manage their interactions with musical genres via conceptual and or philosophic discussions may post announcements of said intentions. once those intentions have been thoroughly scrutinized, by the micro-micro-manager-managers, a committee will be formed, so that discussions can be had "off-line" and "tasks" assigned, which i think will lead to a much more efficient level of communication surrounding the management of all things micro. can i get a show of hands? what about a couple of shadow puppets and some sign language? at least maybe someone could flip me off. On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 06:16 PM, graham miller wrote: > democracy reduced to redundancy. brilliant. > > Kim Cascone wrote: > >> John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time >> setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is >> called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: >> http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce >> ########################################### >> - this is where the microsound community should post announcements >> promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or >> whatever... >> ########################################### >> - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: >> - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list >> will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and >> switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related >> announcements >> - after Friday April 8 members still posting announcements to the >> regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked >> to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list >> - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post >> announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be >> terminated >> - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems >> unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: >> Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list >> or >> John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list >> and let them know about the problem you are having... > >> >> thanks! >> KIM >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > David Fodel 720-280-3179 805 East Chester St. Lafayette, Colorado 80026 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 04:42:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35016-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36453 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:42:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 36443 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:42:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:42:44 -0500 From: Cory <xxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UNAnPttHOQZZgkcMK/ti0Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tbxPA+lFPPUIajanTqi7ZFmcXGT98SwSkEuO7QOHM6OHeyipRO3t1+Ouk90nmfdc8EYdWy4tbXONWa6nqZla1U5utSokMdRTZt5hRli4JUV8aNPX6rkShKq7kgTDktbfekloGDH269xL9vrusv+mc+I13DuctDqs5cSHKWeWiuQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UNAnPttHOQZZgkcMK/ti0Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still do not understand why we have to segregate the content and the discussion of the content. or am I being obtuse?? ------------------------------------- audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo --Boundary_(ID_UNAnPttHOQZZgkcMK/ti0Q)-- From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 01:25:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35014-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88032 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:25:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 88019 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:25:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 02:25:48 +0100 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130309be6a6a38ff6c@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >democracy reduced to redundancy. brilliant. -??? ...uhh? 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Sat Mar 26 01:16:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35013-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84263 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:16:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 84243 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:16:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:16:13 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx democracy reduced to redundancy. brilliant. Kim Cascone wrote: > John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time > setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is > called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce > ########################################### > - this is where the microsound community should post announcements > promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or > whatever... > ########################################### > - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: > - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list > will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and > switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related > announcements > - after Friday April 8 members still posting announcements to the > regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked > to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list > - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post > announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be > terminated > - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems > unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: > Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list > or > John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list > and let them know about the problem you are having... > > thanks! > KIM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 00:40:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35012-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73121 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:40:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 73110 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:40:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:41:05 -0500 From: Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE6A19D1.8827%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 3/25/05 7:22 PM, Kim Cascone at xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time > setting up a new list for members who want to promote content... Thanks for putting the time/work into this John! omnid -- OUT NOW:Authorised Version "Wrong Number" OUT NOW:Retinascan "Fragile Balance" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 26 00:22:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35011-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65983 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:22:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 65966 invoked from network); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:22:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:22:12 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: Thomas Andy <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce ########################################### - this is where the microsound community should post announcements promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or whatever... ########################################### - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related announcements - after Friday April 8 members still posting announcements to the regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be terminated - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list or John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list and let them know about the problem you are having... thanks! KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 25 21:07:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35010-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86569 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:07:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 86537 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:07:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:06:56 -0800 (PST) From: Curtis Cousins <xxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Two new DANADAX EPs released. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxx_xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fnqu1yBCFrsOWuUZx55J5g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=MIO9M+b7XcvYIt3gZ3/U5n2X7dMXBuejREsxXGNyGFjaJXQ5yIihmGplSTef6ViqZjgf4srZ/CxkR1Fsjtt1dvucSRbWBskJXRgtrB2wM+EDHJ+BB5zU5VV9NNhowCYkoVXqFfohgP3GRjCulJr3vafjdkbES+OPYOKqkd0mL3I= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fnqu1yBCFrsOWuUZx55J5g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2 DANADAX EPs have been released by Intelligentmachinery.net, a netlabel that specializes in Dark Ambient, Noise, and abstract music. The First EP is called "Trips Into Places Unknown," which can be found here: http://www.intelligentmachinery.net/releases/trips.php. It is described as "deep, dark drone and dark ambient of a unique experimental disposition that can only be described as "soft noise". The perfect accompaniment for any subliminal odyssey in its balance of harsh sound and lush textural delivery." The Second EP is called "Consciousness in Shifts of Decay," found here: http://www.intelligentmachinery.net/releases/shifts.php. It has been described as "A myriad of shifting layers of soft noise creating aural textures of a dark and mystic nature. The experimental duo of DANADAX deliver this discourse on decaying consciousness in a brief, but beautiful, collection of their own brand of dark ambient." Downloads are available as lo-fi MP3s, and hi-fi MP3 downloads are just 20 cents each. If you buy both EP's, you get a free EP from Likwid Twizter, a side project belonging to one of the members of DANADAX. All artwork for the EPs are available at the website, and they print in high resolution. DANADAX calls their music "soft noise" because they try to make noise and other strange sounds into atmospheres. It's best if you listen to it to get a better feeling for the term. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --Boundary_(ID_fnqu1yBCFrsOWuUZx55J5g)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 25 20:04:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35009-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60613 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:04:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 60603 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:04:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:03:53 -0500 From: earphone <xxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] earphone music update To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter08.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello, we want to thank everyone who has submitted works for, earphone 01. we received so much good work that we will be releasing a series of compilations. this means that there will be, earphone 01, earphone 02, and, earphone 03, so far. a short list of artists that will be on, earphone 01 is: alexis perepelycia waldlust rarebit gintas k austistici a complete list will be available soon. cheers, m -- --> http://www.earphonemusic.com --> xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 25 09:29:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35007-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64787 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:29:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 64777 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:29:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:28:58 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI in microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2005 09:28:58.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[12A36D40:01C5311D] hello, there's also an external max object by Yon Visell called _hmmm_ which uses a hidden markov model to generate patterns , and there's an article in Organised Sound Vol9 No_2 which fully explains its background and possible implementation. You can download the object from: http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~yon/soft.html i hope this is useful -bobby whelan >From: Georg Bosch <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] AI in microsound >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:29:04 +0100 > >>I'm starting to develop a set of AI algorithms to assist in live >>performance, which will (roughly speaking) analyze control messages >>that I send and, after a certain point, be able to generate their >>own control messages based on the patterns I used. Eventually I'd >>like to design an algorithm to analyze a continuously changing >>audio texture on multiple levels and be able to reproduce similar, >>non-repeating textures. I've started by giving my PD patch some >>various recordings of birdsong (of the eastern Wood Thrush) for >>analysis, hoping to tune it to be able to generate its own >>non-repeating woodthrush-like song. > >Hi David, hi list, > >I'm not using PD myself, but i used Orm Finnendahls old 68k-only >Markov object (recently ported to PD) for a max patch controlling 2 >dot matrix printers. Not exactly microsound, but still pretty >noisy;) The markov object would parse an existing dialog on a letter >by letter (i.e. ascii-)level, 4th or 5th order IIRC, and generate >ever changing new text. I have no idea of the math going on inside >(I'm very grateful for those black boxes), but once I understood how >to work with it I found it relatively intuitive to use: you 'teach' >it with a stream of data, and then it outputs something similar, but >not quite the same and never repeating. Not sure if this counts as >AI though. I never really used it to produce sound, but feeding it >with note data / midi files gave some interesting auto-variation >melodies. > >>There was an interesting interview with Brian Eno back in the >>1980's (with The Wire mag, I believe) where he expressed a desire >>for a musical "black box" that could produce music in a given >>style, a Beethoven black box, a Beatles black box, an Eno black >>box... > >There's a markov object for pre-OSX Max by Nao Tokui that uses Bachs >"Jesu, Joy of Men's Desires" in the help file;) > >best, g. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. 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Fri Mar 25 18:58:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35008-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29019 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:58:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 29008 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:57:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:47:05 -0500 From: andre goncalves <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Upcoming NY event To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE693A39.B246%xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dMwtNx/8Xw6ADUHUUsOOxg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633133343733.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_dMwtNx/8Xw6ADUHUUsOOxg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, upcoming: - Sunday 27 - André Gonçalves Bolsa Ernesto de Sousa, a memorial fellowship named for the Portuguese Intermedia Artist, sponsored by the Luso-Americana Foundation and the Fundacao Calouste Gulbenkian. presents an intermedia performance: "Resonant Objects" aims at bringing together sound and space through a physical phenomenon, where sound is used as a medium to excite space to be heard, sound generating more sound through space; so the sound we hear is strictly related to the object's spatial characteristics, its shape, dimensions and material, but also its relationship with the site-specific architecture and again the spatial characteristics of the precise space that hosts all the objects. with special guest Kenneth Kirschner Experimental Intermedia 224 Center St. at Grand NY 21:00h $5 all the best Andre http://www.ctrl.tk --Boundary_(ID_dMwtNx/8Xw6ADUHUUsOOxg)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 25 03:28:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35006-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67535 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:28:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 67391 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:28:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [reminder] phoniq event - beta_lab - march 26th mtl To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dreaming.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx PHONIQ PRESENTS the second installment of BETA_LAB when: saturday march 26th 2005 where: cafe esperanza [in the back room] 5490 st-laurent, montreal, canada time: 9pm-2am how much: FREE BETA-LAB is a monthly night of electronic music collaberation and experimentation featuring phoniq resident artists: naw, cyan, scant intone, various, anton along side a variey of monthly guests. This month BETA-LAB will feature: aidan baker - live - [aidanbaker.org] - toronto des cailloux et du carbone - live - [natacha recodings] - montreal naw - live - [phoniq.net/noisefactoryrecords.com] - montreal djzeit - dj - [angle-rec.net] - montreal johnny ranger - vj - [mindroots.com] - montreal for more info visit: www.phoniq.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS RELEASE ABOUT BETA_LAB The PHONIQ collective brings you another twist on another year of electronic music showcases. This time around PHONIQ is happy to present BETA-LAB a monthly showcase of electronic music collaberation and experimentation. BETA-LAB will focus on teaming up resident PHONIQ artists with other members of the canadian electronic music community. BETA-LAB is a space for experimentation to try out new ideas, for artists to try out new ideas, projects, collaberations. a testing ground for laptop artists, hardware musicians, djs and video artists a like. every month a different project or projects will be presented. each of these events are designed to act as an exploration into the different intersections between technology and music/art making. BETA-LAB is not designed to feature one artist in particular but to act more as an equal testing ground for all, for both the performer and the audience member. the BETA-LAB series is about an ever changing creative process, each months event details will be announced at www.phoniq.net ABOUT PHONIQ: Phoniq is a collective of individuals dedicated to promoting bleeding edge electronic music by Canadians, with an emphasis on exposing talent that has not yet been exposed inside or outside of Canada. The concept for Phoniq has grown over the past year from the initial ideas of how to create a viable promotional vehicle for Canadian artists in electronic music into an active community mailing list, a net-label and resource tools. All of these aspects are in place in order to help the community to network and grow. In general, Phoniq has created a portal that should prove useful for anyone working in electronic music in Canada. THIS MONTHS ARTISTS: Aidan Baker (ARC, Nadja) TORONTO www.aidanbaker.org www.phoniq.net www.transientfrequency.com Aidan Baker is a musician & writer currently based in Toronto, Canada. He has released numerous cds on independent labels from around the world & is the author of 2 books of poetry, 2 poetry chapbooks, & has published poetry, fiction, & criticism in various international & scholarly journals. As a solo artist, Baker explores the deconstructive sonic possibilities of the electric guitar as a primary sound source, creating music that ranges from experimental/ambient to post-rock to contemporary classical. des Cailloux et du Carbone - (Natacha's Recordings) MONTREAL ingredients: marcello, laptop, household field recordings such as vibes and/or chopsticks, digital processing, errors, random sequences, may contain traces of house music. des cailloux et du carbone is marcello marandola; half of data-folk duo cian ethrie (lucky kitchen, natacha's recordings). also part of natacha's recording sound system and rivers and mountains. NAW - (Noise Factory Records, Phoniq) MONTREAL www.noisefactoryrecords.com www.phoniq.net montreal native neil wiernik began his explorations in electronic music making as early as 1988. known to push the boundaries of his musical form, naws music is a blend of sound manipulation/design, experimental music and dub-tech rhythms, which on the surface sound quite simple, but incorporate a number of touches that steer this artist away from being simply another minimal techno or experimental laptop artist. he combines post-house, dubby minimal techno, microsound and thick ambience, to create his own version of deep techno, house and other electronic laptop oriented musics. neil has released music on various national and international record labels, including recent releases on clever-music, and his follow up full length to his 2002 noise factory release called green nights orange days. he has recently returned from tours in france, germany, and canada. to co-enside with his recent releases on these labels and plans to return to europe this summer for more tours including a performance at the now legendary sonar festival in barcelona, spain. naw is currently preparing a new release for pertin_nce label (quebec city) due for release in early April 2005. DJZeit - (.Angle.Records) MONTREAL www.angle-rec.net One of the original founders of .Angle.Records in Montreal, With ..Angle.Records, Zeit's intent was and still is to promote artists and music from Montreal and Canada and beyond, not caring too much about prevailing trends, and with an affinity for obscure sounds, be they atmospheric or noisy, or in between. Evocative or challenging music made electronically or with any instrument actually. This gave an eclectic agenda so far. From technoid post industrial (Vromb from Montreal) to old-school weird analogue (Nos Royaumes from Montreal) to guitar-based drone bliss (Aidan Baker from Toronto) to glitchy and crushing dark-ambient (Monstrare and Wilt from the U.S.)^While the next release of .Angle.Rec. leans towards the more abrasive and harsh rhythmic side of things (Montreal^s emerging rhythmic noise artist LCEDP), DJZeit has a known (or not so known!) heavy fondness for, amongst others, immersive ambient, idm, and contemplative droney atmospheres ^with the occasional drift towards more experimental ventures. Well, this is exactly what he has in store for March 26th^ ^and those who, at some point, in 2002-2004, listened to DJZeit^s ^Dans L^Oeil De La Comete^ radio show on UQAM Web Radio and then on 102.3 Radio Centre-Ville, late at night, especially the last longer part, will be pleased! Johnny Ranger - (mindroots) MONTREAL www.mindroots.com The artistic projects of Johnny Ranger include VJING, Interdisciplinary Shows, Performances and Web art. He is the founder of Mindroots a sensuous poetic laboratory of non linear creation. He has been a regular at the SAT, he presented works at the Biennale d^art contemporain, the New Museum of Contemporary art in New York, EspaceTangente and at the Lachapelle theater amongs other. He is currently working on a new live performance of open ended audio-visual narratives entitled: The Dynamic Constellations which includes footages he has shot in Brazil, India, Indonesia and Canada. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 25 02:05:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35005-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37065 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:05:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 37011 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:05:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:08:21 +1100 From: ii <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [syd/aus gig] : ii tour april 1-2 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NGKKEi4yZi4gejee3aAbWQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_NGKKEi4yZi4gejee3aAbWQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those in sydney, australia... next weekend, ii (a melbourne instrumental duo) will be heading your way. traipsing between ambient electrics, tempered noise, icy plink-outs, and strummed bliss with guitars, drums, keys, and computer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- friday april 1 - 7:30pm - $6 - all ages yvonne ruve : 104a/342 elizabeth st, surry hills 'no puppets no dice'/'beofre' castings/ii split 7" pre-launch ii + castings + seaworthy thanks to castings + soundnosound _____________________________________________ saturday april 2 - $? - not sure what time, but you know.. bowlers club of nsw : 95 york st, sydney sbs whatever sessions 2 sydney cd launch sparrow hill + the emergency + ii + barrage + ill bravados thanks to feral media ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- more info: ii site : http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adslalnw/ii-files.html castings : http://www.geocities.com/castings_music seaworthy / steadycam : http://www.steadycamrecords.com.au/ soundnosound : http://members.optusnet.com.au/soundnosound/ feral media : http://www.feralmedia.com.au/ sbs whatever site : http://www.sbs.com.au/whatever sparrow hill : http;//www.sparrowhill.com/ barrage : http://www.barragemusic.com/ the emergency : http://www.the-emergency.net/ --Boundary_(ID_NGKKEi4yZi4gejee3aAbWQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 25 00:08:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35004-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5686 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:08:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 5674 invoked from network); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:08:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:08:36 -0800 (PST) From: zach layton <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] (ot) 3.30 Darmstadt "Classics of the Avant Garde" - w. Luke Dubois and Dafna Naftali To: nymax yahoogroup <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yIFm6tgDcVRf9oLyfGytdZNBEBZb24a0BwMuz7Nhxgc//dSIes7hFURsl4DMUrPqr7/6xifz8LedL8QwgU/AMCLeAcgJwRS/MZ0PhxFQfPG27lp3BKZX/oSkQWH8qQBeF7V5FaEsaqwV+RQhUUHDE5q7LFhTgbjaxtiDqQFmhoE= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx March 30th at 10pm, Darmstadt "Classics of the Avant Garde" returns to Galapagos featuring a rare and fantastic collaboration between live laptop virtuosos Luke Dubois (http://music.columbia.edu/~luke/) and Dafna Naftali(http://dafna.info/). There is a rumor that they might build a max patch in real time from scratch. It will be an extremely exciting performance...max users and laptop afficionados should not miss it. And, providing prelude, interlude and postlude material for this performance, I will be joined on the turntables playing late romantic and 20th century avant-garde hits with Nick Hallett (plantains/maison du chic) and Brock Monroe (Mighty Robot AV Squad)... R. Luke DuBois is a composer, programmer, and video artist living in New York City. He holds a doctorate in music composition from Columbia University, and teaches interactive sound and video performance at Columbia's Computer Music Center, New York University, and the School of Visual Arts. He has done interactive programming and music production work for many artists, most recently Toni Dove, Chris Mann, Elliott Sharp, and Michael Gordon, and was a staff programming consultant for Engine27 for the 2003 season. He is a co-author of Jitter, a software suite developed by Cycling'74 for real-time manipulation of matrix data. His music with his band, the Freight Elevator Quartet, is available on Caipirinha/Sire and Cycling'74 music. A singer, sound artist/improviser and composer, coming from a genuinely eclectic background of music-making as singer/guitarist/electronic musician, Dafna Naphtali performs and composes using her own custom Max/MSP programs for sound processing of voice and other instruments. This she does in improvised projects and with the digital chamber punk ensemble, What is it Like to be a Bat?, that she co-leads with Kitty Brazelton (see www.whatbat.org link). She's received commissions and awards from NY Foundation for the Arts, NY State Council on the Arts, Meet the Composer, a commission from American Composers Forum (for pianist Kathleen Supové) and a residency at STEIM (Holland). And gives workshops/teaches at universities including New York University, where she earned degrees in voice and Music Technology (BM, MM), at Bard College and the School of Visual Arts. She also teaches, programs and consults about Max/MSP at Harvestworks since 1996, and was a programmer for two years for many artists and her own projects at Engine 27 (a multi-channel sound gallery). She has done sound design and/or programming work for the projects of Jin Hi Kim, Shelley Hirsch, Pamela Z, Fred Frith, Jim Staley, Henry Threadgill, Steve Coleman and Chico Freeman. Dafna can be heard with Mechanique(s) on a forthcoming release on In-situ ('05) and as featured vocalist on José Halac’s CD ‘Dance of 1000 Heads’ (Tellus), as well as on her acclaimed release with What is it Like to be a Bat? on Tzadik/Oracles. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 30, 10PM, FREE GALAPAGOS, 70 NORTH 6TH STREET, BETWEEN KENT AND WHYTHE www.zachlaytonindustries.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 24 22:49:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35003-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81566 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:49:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 81555 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:49:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:49:51 +0000 (GMT) From: michael fish <xxxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Call for Submissions In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It's a little strange sometimes hearing location > recordings as if there is > nobody there. i find this statement a little strange in itself. is it not more like "as if _you_ were there"? if you see what i mean... michael_ffish . . . 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MY CAT IS AN ALIEN Track: Brilliance In The Outer Space Album: From The Earth To The Spheres Vol.1 Label: Opax Records / Very Friendly Dúo formado en Turín por Maurizio y Roberto Opalio, al norte de Italia. Desde 1997, los hermanos Opalio han venido desarrollando un proyecto al que llamaron My Cat Is An Alien, de cuya primera grabación enviaron copia a Sonic Youth a NYC y desde entonces se ha fraguado una amistad que ha llevado a los norteamericanos a invitar a MCIAA a tocar en repetidas ocasiones durante las giras europeas de Sonic Youth, mientras que Thurston Moore editaba a través de su sello Ecstatic Peace el debut internacional de los italianos, “Landscapes of an electric city/Hypnotic Spaces”. Este no era el primer trabajo de MCIAA, que han venido publicando desde su creación diferentes ediciones caseras de sus trabajos en formato cd-r a través de la plataforma Opax Records. Vamos a escuchar los 4 volúmenes de la serie "From The Earth To The Spheres", colección de vinilos de edición limitada que los italianos comparten con diversos artistas norteamericanos. Como no podía ser de otra manera, abre las series un vinilo compartido con una cara para Thurston Moore y la otra protagonizada por los sonidos nebulosos de los propios MCIAA Duet formed in Torino by Maurizio and Roberto Opalio, in Northern Italy. From 1997, the Opalio brothers have been developing a project called My Cat Is An Alien, whose first recording was sent to Sonic Youth in NYC forging a friendship that has made the Americans invite MCIAA to play in repeated occasions during Sonic Youth European tours, while Thurston Moore released through his own Ecstatic Peace label the international debut of the Italians, “Landscapes of an Electric City/Hypnotic Spaces”. This was not the first MCIAA work, since they have published different homemade editions of their works in cd-r format through their platform Opax Records. We will listen the 4 volumes of the series "From The Earth To The Spheres", a collection of limited edition vinyls that the Italians share with diverse North American artists. The series are open with a vinyl shared by Thurston Moore on one side and the hazy sounds of MCIAA themselves 02. THUJA Track: The Magma Is The Brother Of The Stone Album: From The Earth To The Spheres Vol.2 Label: Opax Records / Very Friendly El segundo volúmen de la serie "From The Earth To The Spheres" está protagonizado por los propios My Cat Is An Alien junto a Thuja, una de las formaciones en que toma forma uno de los colectivos musicales más activos de San Francisco, Jewelled Antler. Cerca de su línea habitual, Thuja utiliza texturas minimalistas para la composición de una obra hipnótica titulada "el magma es hermano de la piedra" The second volume of the "From The Earth To The Spheres" series is started by My Cat Is An Alien together with Thuja, one of the formations in which takes form one of San Francisco's more active musical communities, Jewelled Antler. In their habitual line, Thuja uses minimalist textures for the composition of a hypnotic work entitled "The Magma is the Brother of the Stone" 03. JACKIE O'MOTHERFUCKER Track: Breaking Album: From The Earth To The Spheres Vol.3 Label: Opax Records / Very Friendly Tercer volúmen de la serie "From The Earth To The Spheres", editado por el sello de los italianos My Cat Is An Alien Opax Records, y distribuido para todo el mundo por Very Friendly desde el Reino Unido. Los protagonistas de este tercer vinilo compartido son los propios MCIAA, los artistas audiovisuales Maurizio y Roberto Opalio, con otra exploración improvisada e instantánea de sonidos minimales y drones. En esta ocasión, junto a Jackie-O Motherfucker, una banda formada en Portland, Oregon, hace alrededor de una década, que basa su música en las raíces más primitivas del blues americano, el free jazz improvisado e importantes dosis de folk-rock psicodélico Third volume of the "From The Earth To The Spheres" series, released by the Italians My Cat Is An Alien on their Opax Records label, and distributed for the whole world by Very Friendly from the United Kingdom. The protagonists of this third shared vinyl are MCIAA (audiovisual artists Maurizio and Roberto Opalio), with another improvised and instantaneous exploration of minimal sounds and drones. In this occasion, together with Jackie-or Motherfucker, a band formed in Portland, Oregon, almost one decade ago, that base their music in the most primitive roots of the American blues, free improvised jazz and important doses of psychedelic folk-rock 04. MY CAT IS AN ALIEN Track: Winter Will Burn Out Yr Wings Album: From The Earth To The Spheres Vol.4 Label: Opax Records / Very Friendly Cuarto volúmen de la serie "From The Earth To The Spheres", protagonizado por MCIAA, con un corte místico y desolado, “Winter will burn out yr wings”, que en esta ocasión comparte soporte con una pieza inédita a cargo de Jim O'Rourke. Llegados a este punto nos despedimos, aunque la serie "From The Earth To The Spheres" continuará en los próximos meses con la publicación de más vinilos compartidos por My Cat Is An Alien, junto a artistas de la talla de Christina Carter, Double Leopards, Glands of External Secretion o Christian Marclay Fourth volume in the series "From The Earth To The Spheres" by MCIAA, with a mystic and desolated track, “Winter will burn out yr wings”, that in this occasion shared with an unreleased piece of Jim O'Rourke. "From The Earth To The Spheres" series will continue in next months with the release of more split vinyls by My Cat Is An Alien, together with artists such as Christina Carter, Double Leopards, Glands of External Secretion or Christian Marclay ______ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. 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Thu Mar 24 18:37:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35000-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73677 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:37:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 73667 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:37:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:37:04 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] EU this spring To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx due to a scheduling snafu I now have some time now open between [April 28 --> May 8] while I am in Europe...so I am looking for workshop/lecture/performance opportunities for that period...if you know of anything in the EU please contact me off list and I will send you more information... thanks in advance! 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Thu Mar 24 16:26:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34999-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92159 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:26:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 92146 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:26:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:29:04 +0100 From: Georg Bosch <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI in microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx auth:17fe7890f5b888605c20dd92a26ba15c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I'm starting to develop a set of AI algorithms to assist in live > performance, which will (roughly speaking) analyze control messages > that I send and, after a certain point, be able to generate their own > control messages based on the patterns I used. Eventually I'd like to > design an algorithm to analyze a continuously changing audio texture > on multiple levels and be able to reproduce similar, non-repeating > textures. I've started by giving my PD patch some various recordings > of birdsong (of the eastern Wood Thrush) for analysis, hoping to tune > it to be able to generate its own non-repeating woodthrush-like song. Hi David, hi list, I'm not using PD myself, but i used Orm Finnendahls old 68k-only Markov object (recently ported to PD) for a max patch controlling 2 dot matrix printers. Not exactly microsound, but still pretty noisy;) The markov object would parse an existing dialog on a letter by letter (i.e. ascii-)level, 4th or 5th order IIRC, and generate ever changing new text. I have no idea of the math going on inside (I'm very grateful for those black boxes), but once I understood how to work with it I found it relatively intuitive to use: you 'teach' it with a stream of data, and then it outputs something similar, but not quite the same and never repeating. Not sure if this counts as AI though. I never really used it to produce sound, but feeding it with note data / midi files gave some interesting auto-variation melodies. > There was an interesting interview with Brian Eno back in the 1980's > (with The Wire mag, I believe) where he expressed a desire for a > musical "black box" that could produce music in a given style, a > Beethoven black box, a Beatles black box, an Eno black box... There's a markov object for pre-OSX Max by Nao Tokui that uses Bachs "Jesu, Joy of Men's Desires" in the help file;) best, g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 24 11:25:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34998-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23792 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:25:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 23752 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:25:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:24:52 +0000 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptron In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2005 11:25:30.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FE29B10:01C53064] I quite like Boom Bip, and I enjoyed reading the interview with him on The Milk Factory: http://www.themilkfactory.co.uk/interviews/boombipiw.htm I find it interesting that he says "... the album is 98% live instruments", and Village Voice seems to think he's sitting in his bedroom with a computer. Perhaps his bedroom is a studio full of musicians, in which case it must get very hot in the summer ;) On 22 Mar 2005, at 19:59, Kim Cascone wrote: > the birth of yet another non-genre: > http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,tzou,62094,22.html -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org/ music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 24 11:08:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34997-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13755 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:08:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 13740 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:08:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:07:51 +0100 From: herv=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= boghossian <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Plateformes : Boghossian/rives/saladin @ Les Voutes, Paris (fr)... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE685E16.94E1%xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, if you're in paris this week-end ! 26.03.05 Les Voutes > Paris (fr) :: live : Plateformes : Herve Boghossian/Stephane Rives/Matthieu Saladin http://www.lesvoutes.org Plateformes : Herve Boghossian : guitare -electric- (List, Raster-Noton) Stephane Rives : saxophone soprano -acoustic- (Potlatch) Matthieu Saladin : clarinette basse -amplified- (List) http://www.list-en.com http://www.raster-noton.de http://www.potlatch.fr http://www.stephanerives.net Les Voutes 19 rue des Frigos 75013 Paris (ex: 91 Quai Panhard & Levassor, ex : 91 Quai de la gare) Lignes Metro : 14 Meteor - 6 Quai de la Gare Lignes Bus : 89 - 62 and still : 18.03.05 / 03.04.05 Glassbox* , Paris (fr) :: exhibition : Steinbruchel "Opaque" - 2003 (+ exhibition of Dominique Blais "Deaf Room"- 2005) http://www.glassbox.be * ligne 3 m° Parmentier (rue oberkampf next to the "Nouveau Casino" venue) . all the best rv --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 24 10:02:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34996-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95099 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:02:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 95089 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:02:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:02:18 +0100 From: pachinkostudio <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [/end] - release promo To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006201c53058$912a7020$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx [/END] [/ini] [/dex] [/oto] [/nil] [/ddd] [/rem] [/ins] [/dub] [/umi] [/esp] [/end] 99.9% sinewaves and white noise >> reviews Mugen is a project by Alessandro Canova, who also runs his own Pachinkostudio label. To date he has six releases on offer, of which '[/end]' is the latest. He works with a limited set of soundsources: sine waves and white noise. That may sound a bit too much like Ryoji Ikeda, and yes, Mugen seems especially inspired by the 'Matrix' release of Ikeda but luckily he finds enough ways of his own to create something that may indeed not be top-new and innovative, nevertheless he has a couple of interesting pieces to offer. Maybe eleven is a bit too much, even when the tracks are rather concise, but sometimes the pieces are a bit ambient, hoovering in various frequencies available in his sine-waves, moreover there are also pieces of rhythm, and here Mugen seems to expand his ears to the world of minimal techno, such as in '[/dub]', which seems to be a pastiche of Pan Sonic rhythms and Ikeda's sine waves. Mugen's sound might be a bit too late, but a couple of years ago it would have fitted nicely along the microwave tag, which nobody uses anymore, so that might be a bit of a dead-end. However, he presents enough variation in his pieces to make '[/end]' a very nice CDR indeed. Frans de Waard on Vital Weekly Se l'estetica della confezione può essere indicativa di affinità elettive, e credo lo sia, allora di fronte a questo CD non è dato pensare che alla Raster Noton, e a quel mondo di microsuoni, onde sinusoidali e minimal techno che ha fatto la fortuna dell'etichetta tedesca. L'ascolto, e le vicende passate di Alessandro Canova (in arte Mugen), confermano questo dato di fatto. "[/end]" giunge dopo un periodo di intensa attività, e ricco di soddisfazioni, con le esibizioni a Londra per "The New Italian Futurists" e a Parigi per "Batofar cherche l'Italie", entrambe nel 2002, e dopo la lunga permanenza in Giappone dell'anno seguente. L'esperienza giapponese dev'essere stata quanto mai stimolante, vista l'importanza che l'arcipelago del `sol levante' riveste per l'artista - importanza individuabile in ogni sua espressione: nel nome che si è imposto come in quello scelto per designare il suo sito web. Caratterizzato da titoli a volte intelligibili e altre ben chiari, il CD rappresenta un viaggio volto a riproporre il mood minimale del musicista, fatto di sibili, ronzii e sottili tessiture ritmiche, garantito in una sua purezza quasi priva di scorie (99,9% sinewaves + white noise). Le undici tracce del CD - o installazioni audio/sonorizzazioni, secondo la definizione dello stesso Canova - rappresentano altrettante variazioni sul medesimo tema, a dimostrazione di come le permutazioni, pur all'interno di un approccio estremamente minimale, possano essere infinite. Va anche notato l'emergere di un certo savoir-faire, certamente estraneo alle precedenti produzioni, che denota un ulteriore passo avanti verso la maturità definitiva (al lettore dare al termine la valenza che preferisce: positiva o negativa). Direi che il Mugen tornato dal `pellegrinaggio' in Oriente è più determinato e più rifinito, in definitiva più attento sia ai particolari sia al risultato complessivo, e vedo "[/end]" come un traguardo importante, lo stesso Canova ne parla come della `fine di un periodo', ma anche come un inizio volto al raggiungimento di nuovi obiettivi. D'altronde basta invertire la programmazione dei brani e il gioco è fatto. Etero Genio on Sands Zine More infos: http://www.pachinkostudio.com/ Orders: http://www.microsuoni.com/labels/pachinkostudio.html Booking and contacts: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx (please put Mugen in the subject line) Alessandro --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 24 04:32:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34995-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17387 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:32:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 17376 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:32:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] NAW AND FRIENDS LIVE APRIL 1ST 2005 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dreaming.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx PRESS RELEASE: APRIL 1st 2005 Noise Factory Records will be holding another one of its artist showcase series at the Casa Del Popolo. This time around Noise Factory presents label artist NAW performing live along side 2 of his favorite local Montreal electronic music making collectives; Le-son666's very own INTERCOM and Panospria's ARGON FLOOZY. The night will be a FREE no frills but all thrills type of evening and promisses to feature all new material by these 3 local montreal electronic music talents. so make sure to come out and get your chin scratching, head bobbing, body moving, feet shuffeling thing on FRIDAY APRIL 1 2005 at the Casa Del Popolo 4873 St-Laurent, show time is 9pm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FRIDAY APRIL 1st 2005 Noise Factory Records brings you another night of free live music featuring live performances by: NAW - gearing up for yet another new release this time on the newly founded quebec city label pertin_nce, as well as an up comming appearence at this years SONAR festival in barcelona spain, NAW will once again showcase his own personal take on post electronic dance music featureing all new never heard befor material, so get ready to have your dancing feet on and your head ready for some bobbing as you never really know what to expect from a live set by this artist. also appearing on this special night will be 2 of naws personal favorite local artists: INTERCOM - le-son666's very onw electronic trio will showcase new digital beats and crunchy noises, dancing or trying-to-dance is recommended. ARGON FLOOZY - panospria's newset sextet project will construct and manipulate a sonic whirlpool of moody music and dense soundscapes with their unusual instruments and strange techniques. and rounding out the nigths entertainment will be last minute special guest mp3 dj selector DJ NAWPOD NAWPOD will be helping to keep the party going before, after and in between the live musical acts for the evening with various selections from canadian indie mp3 netlabels. when: FRIDAY APRIL 1 2005 where: CASA DEL POPOLO, 4873 St-Laurent time: 9pm how much: FREE for more info visit: http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com contact xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx or xxx@xxxxxx.xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BIOS/INFO NOISE FACTORY RECORDS http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com Taken from various interviews with Joe English, Noise Factory Records the man behind the label: "All roads lead back to Joy Division. They were the most influential band during my teen years. From that point, everything else fell into place. At one point I was so into electronic industrial music that I began adopting the anti-guitar philosophy of Test Department. That didnt last long. The next major influence came with David Sylvians Secrets of the Beehive. I suppose these two musical styles represent the scope of what would become Noise Factory Records. As for the Noise Factory, it began as a college radio show on CHRY during the early 90s. The show played mainly industrial, electronic and ambient music. We had a couple of parties under the Noise Factory moniker, but once we graduated university it all kind of ended. Life began to play its cruel little game. I got a job at IBM and hated every day. So I started the label in 1996. I knew nothing about running a label, and I had no contacts but I had a good friend that was in a band, and wanted to put out an album. It made sense at the time and it still makes sense." "The Noise Factory is not made up of musicians or former record executives. The Noise Factory came into existence out of a need and desire for something new. We truly believe the music we represent is some of the most wonderful and beautiful music currently being made. Unlike many indie labels we offer a different viewpoint, one of the music lover and consumer." NAW www.noisefactoryrecords.com montreal native neil wiernik began his explorations in electronic music making as early as 1988. known to push the boundaries of his musical form, naws music is a blend of sound manipulation/design, experimental music and dub-tech rhythms, which on the surface sound quite simple, but incorporate a number of touches that steer this artist away from being simply another minimal techno or experimental laptop artist. he combines post-house, dubby minimal techno, microsound and thick ambience, to create his own version of deep techno, house and other electronic laptop oriented musics. neil has released music on various national and international record labels, including recent releases on clevermusic, pertin_nce, and his follow up full length to his 2002 noise factory release called green nights orange days. naw has recently returned from tours in france, germany, and canada. to co-enside with his recent releases on noise factory and clevermusic and plans to return to europe this summer for more tours including a performance at the now legendary sonar festival in barcelona, spain. naw is currently preparing a new release titled terrain vague for the pertin_nce label out of quebec city due for release in early April 2005. INTERCOM http://www.le-son666.com/intercom The electronic trio intercom will showcase new digital beats and crunchy noises (some of it could appear on their upcoming full-lenght) along with radical reworkings of their first self-titled cd. Dancing/trying-to-dance is recommended. And be warned: any boring chin-strokers will be shot on sight. Okay? Argon Floozy http://www.panospria.com/ A local sextet mostly comprised of members from the Panospria collective, Argon Floozy is their latest group project since Kokoro No Jojishi in 2003. On this evening they will construct and manipulate a sonic whirlpool of moody music and dense soundscapes with their unusual instruments and strange techniques. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 24 00:56:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34994-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45040 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:56:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 45026 invoked from network); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:56:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:56:46 +0100 From: pachinkostudio <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Usb-midi controller info To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <018e01c5300c$5b9a3220$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE6748CE.82CD%xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ciao Marco, if you are on a budget check out the Behringer BCF2000 http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG ale*** --- http://www.pachinkostudio.com/ http://www.12k.com/term/term10.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Messina" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:24 PM Subject: [microsound] Usb-midi controller info Hello all, I¹ m looking for a usb-midi controller with motorized fader and knobs, have you got any suggestion? Thanks in advance marco messina --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 22:31:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34993-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90181 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:31:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 90171 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:31:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:31:46 +0100 From: punck <xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ctrlaltcanc records new mp3 release To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003701c52ff8$19307c50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <0ef101c52e74$e5399f50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all a new mp3 release from : CtrlAltCanc Records http://www.ctrlaltcanc.tk ctrl21: Andrea Marutti: Seven to Go For Your Ears Only #1 // Hai Paura? // Wall of Sound // For Your Ears Only #2 // My Froggy Friend // Am I a Field Recordist? // Calling for Help All music performed and recorded by Andrea Marutti in March 2005 at Lips Vago Digital Studio and at Pergola Mindcafe, Milan, Italy. Voice on Hai Paura? courtesy of Patrizia Oliva. Free to download here: http://www.ctrlaltcanc.tk Thanx a lot for your time Have a nice day Ctrl+Alt+Ciao Adriano feedback necessary --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 19:02:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34992-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92491 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:02:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 92479 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:02:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:12:01 -0500 From: Ben <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] disco mourn? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_l8+xUm0N8pvosrrXkq4HFg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - secure.wehostusa.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seasonalbk.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_l8+xUm0N8pvosrrXkq4HFg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nypl.org/press/disco.cfm On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > microsound anagram: disco mourn > wow...now there's a fnord subliminal! ;) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > www.seasonalbk.net --Boundary_(ID_l8+xUm0N8pvosrrXkq4HFg)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 19:01:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34991-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90770 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:01:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 90760 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:01:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:00:58 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] disco mourn? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i can relate to "indoor scum" b On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > microsound anagram: disco mourn > wow...now there's a fnord subliminal! ;) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx microsound anagram: disco mourn wow...now there's a fnord subliminal! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 18:05:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34988-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57683 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:05:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 57673 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:05:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:04:45 -0500 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <p06200703be6742ca66a1@[192.168.0.2]> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcUvxgCZ29RLtOo+REaSD3BuKAzXrwADCCMg Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elise.cwihosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dmethods.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > From: Richard Zvonar > Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. > > After a little informal investigation it appears that > Fibonacci converges a little more quickly than other series, > but by the 10th term or so they're all pretty close. > > Do you have any pertinent references? Not really. I got that from experimenting with Mathematica. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 17:52:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34987-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50522 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:52:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 50505 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:52:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:52:30 -0800 From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Call for Submissions In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE66ECDE.6757%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Probably not - although, depending on the kind of field being recorded, there could be a kind of 'simstim' being in someone else's shoes aspect to it... It's a little strange sometimes hearing location recordings as if there is nobody there. Though perhaps no stranger than seeing documentary footage without thinking about the fact that there is a cameraman there, you can imagine that the potential sense of unease is highly context dependent. It strikes me that there is a great potential for creative exploration around this issue, and related issues of surveillance, narrative & documentary / fiction... And of course, there are many ways to listen. On 23/3/05 7:24 am, "{ brad brace }" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > interesting thread... while the field-recording listeners > may wish to temporarily/partially locate themselves in the > recording/place/time/duration, it's unlikely that they > simultaneously also imagine/wish themselves making the > recording (or frequently acknowledging the audio > machinations)... isn't it? > > > http://63.170.215.11:8000 > http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/undisclosed.html > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 16:33:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34986-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17578 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:32:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 17566 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:32:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:25:24 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200703be6742ca66a1@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx At 10:41 PM -0500 3/22/05, Paulo Mouat wrote: >The division of two consecutive terms of a sequence with any two natural >numbers as starting points and where terms are determined through addition >of the two previous terms will eventually tend to the golden section. This >is not intrinsic to the Fibonacci series and is probably the reason why the >golden section is widely found in nature. Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. After a little informal investigation it appears that Fibonacci converges a little more quickly than other series, but by the 10th term or so they're all pretty close. Do you have any pertinent references? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 18:07:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34989-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59356 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:07:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 59346 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:07:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:08:48 -0500 (EST) From: frederic yarm <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Call for Submissions To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx-xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> > > Fair enough! Perhaps I read the opening statement 'Somewhere in the > spectrum between Musique Concrete and Phonography' as 'Somewhere in the > field beyond Musique Concrete and Phonography'. I fully understand the > logic of the passive location recording in phonography, and the benefit > of avoiding preconceived ideas of music. But I think it may be worth > unfolding my comment a little. This conversation ended up drifting onto the phonography yahoogroups list and I posted my response there. It all boiled down to semantics of what is active and what is passive as well as what is non-interfering, etc. My explanation was that the call for submissions was being sent out to a variety of music boards where some people might not understand what phonography or a field recording is and it was a general guidance for the naive. Phonography artists take great time and thought energy to the process such as microphone placement, movement of the microphone(s), etc. but I was trying to differentiate this from someone making interesting sounds for the purpose of the recording or adding composed music to the recordings. Thank you for the commentary and critique of my wording. And sorry to have misinterpretted your brief post before. Cheers, Frederic --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 15:50:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34985-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90781 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:50:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 90771 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:50:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:49:47 -0500 From: precursor <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MILLE PLATEAUX - FORCE INC - RITORNELL In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE66FA4B.4DEF%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 3/23/05 8:08 AM, swen emmerling at xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx wrote: > those labels seem to be gone foreever. they are selling all the remainig > CDs at ebay.de . 50000 CDs for 50000 EUR > > get them here: > http://tinyurl.com/58s3r > > Swen actually not, the labels are under new management from what i hear and organizing to release new material.. just curious if the artists are to receive anything from this auction ? sad if not. good deal for the buyer however. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 15:25:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34984-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79755 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:24:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 79744 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:24:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:24:46 +0100 From: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Usb-midi controller info To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE6748CE.82CD%xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mzkL53hA+HE49SEeXnZ/VA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mzkL53hA+HE49SEeXnZ/VA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, I¹ m looking for a usb-midi controller with motorized fader and knobs, have you got any suggestion? 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Wed Mar 23 15:24:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34983-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78761 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:24:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 78751 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:24:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Call for Submissions In-reply-to: <BE65B566.66A6%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE65B566.66A6%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx interesting thread... while the field-recording listeners may wish to temporarily/partially locate themselves in the recording/place/time/duration, it's unlikely that they simultaneously also imagine/wish themselves making the recording (or frequently acknowledging the audio machinations)... isn't it? http://63.170.215.11:8000 http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 13:07:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34982-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30724 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:07:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 30713 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:07:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:08:28 +0100 From: swen emmerling <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] MILLE PLATEAUX - FORCE INC - RITORNELL To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: x.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx auth:cb9fa313eda13666c16338d3b31f7547 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx those labels seem to be gone foreever. they are selling all the remainig CDs at ebay.de . 50000 CDs for 50000 EUR get them here: http://tinyurl.com/58s3r Swen -- http://swen.antville.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 12:40:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34981-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19981 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:40:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 19971 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:40:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:38:56 +0100 From: Tobias Schmitt <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] the curmbox will open its doors shortly. To: xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxx_xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, Ambientxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx_xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx-xx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx curmbox - a venue dedicated to electronic, experimental, improvised music and noise will open its doors shortly in frankfurt (germany): http://curmbox.de -> artists interested in performing can get in touch - please reply to the sender, not the list. thank you for your attention ts .....: suspicion breeds confidence - acrylnimbus .....: http://acrylnimbus.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 23 03:41:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34980-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92443 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:41:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 92431 invoked from network); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:40:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:41:03 -0500 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <p06200718be64b25c0057@[192.168.0.2]> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcUuPRf4iVCdukl6RNqkA/IEerzHZQANuF+g Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elise.cwihosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dmethods.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > From: Richard Zvonar > P.S. The Fibonacci series (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21...) is > formed by adding two consecutive terms to derive the next > term in the series (therefore 13 + 21 gives the next term > 34). The Golden Mean (or Golden Proportion or Ratio) may be > approximated by dividing consecutive Fibonacci numbers (13/21 > = 0.61905..., 21/13 = 1.61538...). The division of two consecutive terms of a sequence with any two natural numbers as starting points and where terms are determined through addition of the two previous terms will eventually tend to the golden section. This is not intrinsic to the Fibonacci series and is probably the reason why the golden section is widely found in nature. > The higher up the series the closer the approximation to the > proportion, which is commonly represented as "phi" and equals > 1.6180339887499... or -0.61803398874989... For more details > and an explanation of why phi has two values, see: > > http://www.vashti.net/mceinc/golden.htm A more complete description may be found at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenRatio.html //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 23:41:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34979-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 144 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:41:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 132 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:41:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:41:55 -0600 From: grain of sound <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] draftank | my fun_Out now on Ristretto To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: <IMail v8.05> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here´s the latest from the Grain of Sound´s sister-label: Ristretto is happy to announce 2 brand new releases. draftank - "orange book" rist02/ 2005 5" cdr > "Orange Book" is the first full-lenght from Draftank. Following two tracks on compilation releases by french label Effervescence and on our portuguese sister-label Grain of Sound, Draftank goes for the long-playing. Using one digital turntable and one minidisc this is Nuno Moita´s solo effort on experimental electronica. A cdr release with enhanced content so you will also find one video in the quicktime format: 8 minutes of super8 found-footage digitally transfered to black & white and edited by Nuno Moita. Check all the info about Draftank and hear one complete track taken from "Orange Book" at: http://www.grainofsound.com/ristretto http://www.grainofsound.com/nunomoita my fun - "sunday best" rist03/ 2005 3" cdr > My Fun (aka Justin Hardison) in his own words: "I'm a sound artist/musician currently living with my lovely wife in London (the cat's on the way!). I've released work for a number of years under different names except Justin Hardison and more recently I've been exploring the use of field recordings and electronic processing of more acoustic sounds in my work. With the aid of a couple of small microphones, sampling, and assorted software sound generation, My Fun aims to create narrative work without being dependent on a particular musical genre determining the sound of the final output. In addition, I was the electronic music editor of 'levelheadedmusic.com' and 'thelandof' internet zine before making the decision to focus on my own work. 'Sunday Best', which will most likely be my last beat structured material for a long while, features tracks constructed of field recordings, electronics, samples and a few beats and hints at the direction that i'm headed for new material". A complete mp3 track taken from "Sunday Best" is ready for free download at the Ristretto website. >>> + info: http://www.thelandof.org http://www.grainofsound.com/ristretto enjoy. thank you for reading. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 22:54:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34978-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76991 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:54:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 76965 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:54:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:56:25 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptron To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, but it missed the best one of all - McSound (tm)! ;) ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx 03/22/05 04:38PM >>> According to the results from the Andy's anagram solver there could be many new genres... Daniel Dugas http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/anagram.html Anagram Solution Your query was microsound, with a word limit of 2, a and I included. Here are some phrases that can be made from that query: cion dorsum coin dorsum coir mounds coir osmund coirs mound comous rind coni dorsum conium dors conium rods conium sord coniums dor coniums rod conoid rums conoids rum coon murids coons murid cor dominus cords onium corium dons corium nods cormoid nus cormoid sun cormoid uns cormous din corn odiums corn sodium corns duomi corns odium cornu misdo cornus modi cousin dorm crimson duo crimson oud crimson udo crud simoon cruds nomoi crus domino crus monoid cud morions cuds morion cum indoors cum sordino cumin doors cumin odors cumin ordos cumin roods cumins door cumins odor cumins ordo cumins rood cur dominos curd simoon curds nomoi curs domino curs monoid din cormous disc unmoor disco mourn domino crus domino curs dominos cur dominus cor dominus orc dominus roc donor music dons corium doom incurs dooms incur dooms runic door cumins door mucins doors cumin doors mucin dor coniums dorm cousin dors conium dors muonic dorsum cion dorsum coin dorsum coni dorsum icon doum orcins doums orcin duci morons duo crimson duo microns duomi corns duomi scorn duos micron duros monic icon dorsum incur dooms incur moods incur sodom incurs doom incurs modo incurs mood indoor scum indoors cum micro nodus micro sound micron duos micron ouds micron udos microns duo microns oud microns udo micros undo minor scudo misdo cornu modi cornus modo incurs modus orcin mondos uric monic duros monic sudor monoid crus monoid curs mood incurs moods incur moods runic morion cuds morion scud morions cud moron scudi morons duci mound coirs mounds coir mourn disco mourn sodic mourns odic mucin doors mucin odors mucin ordos mucin roods mucins door mucins odor mucins ordo mucins rood mucoid sorn mucoids nor mucors nodi muonic dors muonic rods muonic sord murid coons murids coon music donor music rondo nodi mucors nods corium nodus micro nomoi cruds nomoi curds nor mucoids nordic sumo nus cormoid odic mourns odium corns odium scorn odiums corn odor cumins odor mucins odors cumin odors mucin onium cords onium scrod orc dominus orcin doums orcin modus orcins doum ordo cumins ordo mucins ordos cumin ordos mucin osmic round osmund coir oud crimson oud microns ouds micron rind comous roc dominus rod coniums rods conium rods muonic rondo music rood cumins rood mucins roods cumin roods mucin round osmic rum conoids rums conoid runic dooms runic moods runic sodom scorn duomi scorn odium scrod onium scud morion scudi moron scudo minor scum indoor simoon crud simoon curd sodic mourn sodium corn sodom incur sodom runic sord conium sord muonic sordino cum sorn mucoid sound micro sudor monic sumo nordic sun cormoid udo crimson udo microns udos micron undo micros unmoor disc uns cormoid uric mondos> On Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > maybe if people added or subtracted syllables from the > word microsound, that could be another genre, too. > > > --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > the birth of yet another non-genre: > > > http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,tzou,62094,22.html > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tue Mar 22 22:39:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34977-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68824 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:39:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 68814 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:39:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:38:57 -0800 From: xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] laptron In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx-xxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx According to the results from the Andy's anagram solver there could be many new genres... Daniel Dugas http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/anagram.html Anagram Solution Your query was microsound, with a word limit of 2, a and I included. Here are some phrases that can be made from that query: cion dorsum coin dorsum coir mounds coir osmund coirs mound comous rind coni dorsum conium dors conium rods conium sord coniums dor coniums rod conoid rums conoids rum coon murids coons murid cor dominus cords onium corium dons corium nods cormoid nus cormoid sun cormoid uns cormous din corn odiums corn sodium corns duomi corns odium cornu misdo cornus modi cousin dorm crimson duo crimson oud crimson udo crud simoon cruds nomoi crus domino crus monoid cud morions cuds morion cum indoors cum sordino cumin doors cumin odors cumin ordos cumin roods cumins door cumins odor cumins ordo cumins rood cur dominos curd simoon curds nomoi curs domino curs monoid din cormous disc unmoor disco mourn domino crus domino curs dominos cur dominus cor dominus orc dominus roc donor music dons corium doom incurs dooms incur dooms runic door cumins door mucins doors cumin doors mucin dor coniums dorm cousin dors conium dors muonic dorsum cion dorsum coin dorsum coni dorsum icon doum orcins doums orcin duci morons duo crimson duo microns duomi corns duomi scorn duos micron duros monic icon dorsum incur dooms incur moods incur sodom incurs doom incurs modo incurs mood indoor scum indoors cum micro nodus micro sound micron duos micron ouds micron udos microns duo microns oud microns udo micros undo minor scudo misdo cornu modi cornus modo incurs modus orcin mondos uric monic duros monic sudor monoid crus monoid curs mood incurs moods incur moods runic morion cuds morion scud morions cud moron scudi morons duci mound coirs mounds coir mourn disco mourn sodic mourns odic mucin doors mucin odors mucin ordos mucin roods mucins door mucins odor mucins ordo mucins rood mucoid sorn mucoids nor mucors nodi muonic dors muonic rods muonic sord murid coons murids coon music donor music rondo nodi mucors nods corium nodus micro nomoi cruds nomoi curds nor mucoids nordic sumo nus cormoid odic mourns odium corns odium scorn odiums corn odor cumins odor mucins odors cumin odors mucin onium cords onium scrod orc dominus orcin doums orcin modus orcins doum ordo cumins ordo mucins ordos cumin ordos mucin osmic round osmund coir oud crimson oud microns ouds micron rind comous roc dominus rod coniums rods conium rods muonic rondo music rood cumins rood mucins roods cumin roods mucin round osmic rum conoids rums conoid runic dooms runic moods runic sodom scorn duomi scorn odium scrod onium scud morion scudi moron scudo minor scum indoor simoon crud simoon curd sodic mourn sodium corn sodom incur sodom runic sord conium sord muonic sordino cum sorn mucoid sound micro sudor monic sumo nordic sun cormoid udo crimson udo microns udos micron undo micros unmoor disc uns cormoid uric mondos> On Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > maybe if people added or subtracted syllables from the > word microsound, that could be another genre, too. > > > --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > the birth of yet another non-genre: > > > http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,tzou,62094,22.html > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tue Mar 22 22:19:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34976-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58945 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:19:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 58934 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:19:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptron In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=07TMZNjYRHh0exbdgD3XRsL5rO+Jh6jOmpeFPasUReg+m5owoG2DeTp3AiplmBX+0mfWLBS6h2hVBCIyiyqXX5y3KVXE2Iu9vIGdlIJnnRHXESYcANRXTg96xtb8GaHWYhctNd6WUmplEGxVIWcjtk7/MFD+6JCIG+7XRGIn+wU= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx maybe if people added or subtracted syllables from the word microsound, that could be another genre, too. --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > the birth of yet another non-genre: > http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,tzou,62094,22.html > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 19:59:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34975-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90656 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:59:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 90646 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:59:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:59:20 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] laptron To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the birth of yet another non-genre: http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,tzou,62094,22.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 19:43:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34974-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81923 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:43:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 81907 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:43:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:43:34 -0800 From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Call for Submissions In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx-xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE65B566.66A6%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, Fair enough! Perhaps I read the opening statement 'Somewhere in the spectrum between Musique Concrete and Phonography' as 'Somewhere in the field beyond Musique Concrete and Phonography'. I fully understand the logic of the passive location recording in phonography, and the benefit of avoiding preconceived ideas of music. But I think it may be worth unfolding my comment a little. I also understand that the field recordist has an activity in location choice, capture time choice, microphone choice (including peripherals), microphone placement, and in some cases microphone movement and in-the-field editing. While this is already more than just passive, I wondered how interesting it might be to increase this activity somewhat, whether through extended physical movement, though interaction with the environment etc, and these need not be necessarily orchestrated. There can be a sense of something being missing in many passive field recordings, particularly in small group social environments; whilst on the other hand I have heard several field recordings in which the recordists were sonically present that had a powerful and intriguing impact. An example off the top of my head is Katharine Norman's conversation with Hildegard Westerkamp whilst trampling through woods near to Vancouver, on the CD accompanying Norman's Sounding Art. I don't believe this kind of work really fits into what people understand by Phonography/Soundscape/Acoustic Ecology etc nor Musique Concrete. Best of luck for your compilation, Graham On 21/3/05 3:50 pm, "frederic yarm" <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> >> I don't understand the necessary logic of point 3. My preference would >> be to explore the medium exactly in that area. >> >>> #3 One point about the field recording aspect of it is stressing that >>> the person recording is not part of the recording in orchestrating or >>> making the sounds, only a passive observer and documenter (obviously, >>> just being there has an effect albeit hopefully minor). > > The point as written follows the traditional phonography definition of > what a field recording is. > > The logic behind stipulating this is to avoid the composer's preconceived > ideas of music if there is someone orchestrating or making the noises > intentionally for the recording. The composer's job is to record the > sounds (passive) and then transform them into his or her own work > (active). This process sets it apart from other types of sound art. > > The initial concept of this compilation stemmed from a conversation > between the label owner and myself in regards to a compilation I had just > participated in and felt was a good academic learning experience since it > was rather removed from what I had ever done whereas for others, it was > commonplace. > > Feel free to accept the challenge as the rules of the compilation describe > it and participate. Otherwise, there are plenty of good compilations out > there with calls for submissions that fall out of this category and these > rules. > > Cheers, > Frederic > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 11:12:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34973-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84911 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:11:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 84890 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:11:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:11:49 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Intricate Maximals Reviews To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003a01c52ecf$f2bae610$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Intricate Maximals :: label compilation :: www.audiobulb.com THE MILK FACTORY (UK): ".... it is this very vision that shapes this collection, crafting every particular angle of each track. Intricate Maximals is no short of impressive and continues to show Audiobulb as an imprint to rely on. 4.5 / 5" BOOMKAT (UK): "Featuring something to please all electronic cognoscente's palates, 'Intricate Maximals' showcases minimal style clicks and fizz with Autistici's 'Nurture Nature', chopped vocals and drifting digital proclivity on Diagram of Suburban Chaos' 'So Gone (Ventramix)' and the lint-like, half captured crackle of Jan Jelinek through Robin Judge's 'Fall'. Elsewhere Taavi Tulev comes across like a less breaks obsessed Keith Tenniswood with the penetrating beats and giddy percussion of 'Tuhikli'. Check. " IGLOO MAGAZINE (USA): "Containing eighteen tracks in all, Intricate Maximals compresses several dozen hours worth of musical motifs and ideas into eighty minutes of electronic expression. What keeps Audiobulb's latest compilation interesting is the diversity of approaches and sonic creativity. There's a lot of ideas here and most of them are executed with complex aplomb. Excellent." DE:BUG (Germany): " Every track has a real body with tons of ideas and crazy grooves - torn apart but with a swinging attitude and most importantly the whole thing holds together very well." EM411 (USA): "Conclusions? Awesome production all round, and some real instantly memorable gems. The rest take more work and persistence but reward with some beautiful mood-enhancing music. Good work Audiobulb." Cut Up Media (Holland): " Music moves, scours, caresses and agitates. After every turn we discover new sounds, new emotions also. It is particularly stimulating and pleasant as the artists stretch the listener with their work. Intricate maximum can measure themselves with the best of more established electronic labels such as Warp, Rephlex or Planet Mu." Intricate Maximals features the sublimely dubbed-out and glitched-in 'Latticel Work' by Calika as featured in the online mp3 section of The Wire. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 10:34:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34972-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75339 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:34:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 75329 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:34:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:34:15 +0100 From: Jair-Rohm Parker Wells <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Exquisite Noise In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VRzCkpmUKLPYP89V4FiqWg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_VRzCkpmUKLPYP89V4FiqWg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit High all! Exquisite noise has been restocked on cdBaby (http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw). So those of you who have been waiting to get a copy now's the time. For those of you who are interested in drones, noise and textual (rather than harmonic) organisation, check it out here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw . JPW Hear and buy "Exquisite Noise" at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/jairrohmpw --Boundary_(ID_VRzCkpmUKLPYP89V4FiqWg)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 09:43:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34971-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60421 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:16:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 60410 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:16:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:16:37 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AMS In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, andrew benson hat gesagt: // andrew benson wrote: > There has been a lot of talk about this on the Max/MSP > list as well. I imagine we'll be seeing some flying > laptops in the near future. And later long-haired male fans in the audience will play invisible air laptops to your a(ms)bstract tunes. Personally I'd rather use motion sensors in a Gameboy than in a laptop - less is more. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 10:41:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34970-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27320 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:28:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 27308 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:28:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: Wayne Jackson <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: AI in microsound To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YeyCKhOUb2+GAZzaluA8P9Grt4JH0B+DMm4t8ZxBpys1beAcx7/DIFixDRAJ29m+Q+zw6D+57Mv8CZZJ4ZkWGgESb/p6/MBt5fEvOiIWNOCzXtBaBAiEPvdqBpXedPoHjcR7xqYfzXG8SPKVw6IiyucWRDqeaybkBzJFMG6G3iM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >... > How many of you microsounders are using AI algorithms, > and what have your experiences been? Ever used neural > networks/second- and third-order Markov chains/genetic > algorithms/generative grammars/other? Hi David, The GA has been my almost exclusive tool since 1998. I use a custom softsynth which allows me to breed new timbres, thus freeing me up to act more as "gardener" more "engineer". I love it, but I admit that I don't really see this as an "AI" approach. A true AI approch would be automation of the fitness function via training of neural networks, etc. When I have more time ;) As a shameless plug, I utilized the GA approach heavily for the more abstract tracks on "do" (Fallt, invalidObjects), and the much more recent "Songs of the Watchmaker" (Scarcelight). -Wayne, aka "Later Days" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 05:18:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34969-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11804 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:18:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 11794 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:18:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AMS In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=w6a7dYraxAiQ6rTob5BRNCsGEovl+lc4T6p9crivzp6+H1g4za7teE2mNz3dHSBrCvvGWCquuD66ZffJ2hHGUVlavWDn2PLqWDdMg4OYbvmt0TJdAdEg1dxZGKkZZEB8xedZOnimzETxgCylo7FWSZS1p1lrlG7UE+Dc49Sc0eQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There has been a lot of talk about this on the Max/MSP list as well. I imagine we'll be seeing some flying laptops in the near future. andrew --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > this might be a way to become more 'performative' > with a laptop: > http://kernelthread.com/software/ams2hid/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 00:20:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34967-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29706 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:20:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 29683 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:20:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:19:58 +0000 From: slow sound system <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] april show : john chantler, function live at the foundry To: Ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Dorkbot London <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, DorkbotLondon-Blabber <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, IDM <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, lowercase sound <xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, foundry news <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx>, Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Wire Announcements <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <0ef101c52e74$e5399f50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2005 00:20:46.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE006550:01C52E74] SLOW SOUND SYSTEM LIE DOWN AND BE COUNTED ------- THE FOUNDRY : 17 APRIL 2005 : 3-8PM ------- 'Quality avant chillage' BBCi 'Unadulterated bliss .' RESONANCE FM ------- The slow sound system explores ambient listening, new electronica and pixel manipulation. This month we showcase new sounds from the Southern hemisphere. John Chantler's delicate electro-acoustic avant-guitar and laptop excursions reach us from Brisbane, via rural Japan and Tulse Hill. Fellow Oz expat Function aka Matt Nicholson lays down mesmerizing psych-pop, microsonics and deep, sleepy drones. Resident djs iMax and Albert back up with digitals and soundscaping, plus we have digital artworks and flash workouts from Janek Ropinsky. Full details follow. ------ ARTIST BIOS John Chantler (Fat Cat / Room40 / Piehead / Hello Square) (aus/uk) : non-place guitar, drums + laptop excursions John Chantler is an exciting talent. Resident of Brisbane, rural Japan and now South London, John has developed his sound from organic electronics to his current interests in exploratory electro-acoustics, messy guitars and a loose spin on rhythm. John's acclaimed first album, Monoke was released on Lawrence English's Room40 label in 2002. He's kept busy since then, with a limited edition album on Piehead, Locked in Hands, curating a series of 10" vinyl for Room40, an online release for Fat Cat (recorded with Japanese artists Saya, Takashi Ueno and Koji Shibuya) and the beyond-underground 'Swedish Folksong Project'. John's performed alongside Mum, Janek Schaefer, DJ Olive, Ami Yoshida and Taku Sugimoto. Just back from another Japanese trip, he also spins a mix of psych-pop, electronica and krautrock at Waiting for the Picture Bus, a bi-weekly session at Escape in Herne Hill. 'Melody on hammered strings . robust and driven' THE WIRE 'Monoke is the first in a series of essential recordings' THE MILK FACTORY 'Intelligent and subtle . maybe think Tortoise jamming with the Black Dog?' SMALLFISH 'Nice slice of post-millennial electronica' PITCHFORKMEDIA 'Utterly absorbing and resonant work' FIRST PAST THE POST ------ Function / Matt Nicholson (Fat Cat / Hello Square / Wonderground / Love & Mercy) (aus / uk) : mutant pop, microsonics + sleepy drone Function is Matt Nicholson and an ever-shifting set of collaborators in London, Melbourne and spaces in between. Function's sound is equally hard to pin down, taking in ecstatic pop, microscopic soundwork, slices of orchestral instrumentation and deep Eastern drones. Key reference points include The Books, Ekkehard Ehlers, Fennesz, Pluramon, Philip Jeck, Sufjan Stevens, Susumu Yokota, Rafael Toral or Town & Country. Another busy artist - expect an online release for FatCat very shortly - Matt has assembled 10 hours of soundtracks for the sacred art suites of Advaitayana Buddhist Master Adi Da . for us he will be performing new material solo, including manipulated improvisation of various acoustic sources and field recordings culled from all over the globe. Expect mesmerising, heartfelt, subtly orchestrated electro-acoustic collage. 'One of this year's most intriguing releases . an ambition to make something entirely new out of a very tired form' THE DEEP END, ABC 'The finest album to emerge from Australia this year. .this is magical music, hot shit, serious, suffocating and sparse, and aesthetically exquisite.' ADEQUACY.NET 'A stunning masterwork of intriguing musical delights' MONO.NET 'A subtle eclectic expansive epic' SCENE ------ RESIDENTS iMax, Albert (Grain Of Sound, 8Bitrecs, KabukiKore) (uk/fr) : decks + FX Janek Ropinsky (Hardman Bros, Pop-Up Recs) (d) : flashwerks, digital sublime ------ DETAILS Sunday 17 April, 3-8pm, free admission The Foundry, 84-86 Great Eastern St, London, ec2 : 0207 739 6900 : xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx : www.foundry.tv xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx www.slowsound.net ------ CHECK http://www.inventingzero.net http://www.functionensemble.com http://www.room40.org http://www.kabukikore.net http://www.8bitrecs.com http://www.hardmanbros.com http://www.jayropinsky.kliklak.net Ends slow sound system lie down and be counted xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.slowsound.net ----- in league w/ [no.signal] | not clickable | sonomu | highpointlowlife | midrange | frequenzen ----- ----- new! live sets archive w/motion, recon, crucial felix/timeblind, sebastien roux, adam butler/vert and more http://www.slowsound.net 'small pieces', every friday on Resonance 101.4fm, midnight-1am GMT http://www.resonancefm.com 'there is no hidden meaning', out now on kabuki kore http://www.kabukikore.net ----- ----- london headphones festival 2004 http://www.state51.org/placard 'midrange sessions', forthcoming on coombe records http://www.coomberecords.com slow sound system vs. posset, 'entropy sessions' out now on kabuki kore http://www.kabukikore.net 'first steps' out now on grain of sound http://www.grainofsound.com imax photogallery : kill yr speed http://www.lomohomes.com/imax [no.signal] : promoters of genius http://no-signal.net highpointlowlife : bitmpapped indie goodness since 98 http://www.highpointlowlife.com sprawl club @ charterhouse http://www.sprawl.org.uk frequenzen, fortnightly on resonance 104.4fm http://www.frequenzen.co.uk sonomu : sound noise music http://www.sonomu.net kultureflash : headlines from london http://www.kultureflash.net ----- no? reply to this email with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 22 01:47:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34968-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59633 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:47:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 59623 invoked from network); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:47:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:50:12 -0500 (EST) From: frederic yarm <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Call for Submissions To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx-xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> > I don't understand the necessary logic of point 3. My preference would > be to explore the medium exactly in that area. > > > #3 One point about the field recording aspect of it is stressing that > > the person recording is not part of the recording in orchestrating or > > making the sounds, only a passive observer and documenter (obviously, > > just being there has an effect albeit hopefully minor). The point as written follows the traditional phonography definition of what a field recording is. The logic behind stipulating this is to avoid the composer's preconceived ideas of music if there is someone orchestrating or making the noises intentionally for the recording. The composer's job is to record the sounds (passive) and then transform them into his or her own work (active). This process sets it apart from other types of sound art. The initial concept of this compilation stemmed from a conversation between the label owner and myself in regards to a compilation I had just participated in and felt was a good academic learning experience since it was rather removed from what I had ever done whereas for others, it was commonplace. Feel free to accept the challenge as the rules of the compilation describe it and participate. Otherwise, there are plenty of good compilations out there with calls for submissions that fall out of this category and these rules. Cheers, Frederic --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 22:59:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34966-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1074 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:59:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 1044 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:59:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:59:01 +0100 From: Davide Morelli <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] R: [microsound] AI in microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPICELCDCAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You should read Who is Listening? By Gregory M. Rippin he try to build an intelligent agent in PureData for musical improvvisation with partial success you can download it here http://homepages.nyu.edu/~gmr222/interactiveMusic.html Please keep me posted, because I planned to try do something similar one of these days! > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: david golightly [mailto:xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] > Inviato: lunedì 21 marzo 2005 15.11 > A: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Oggetto: [microsound] AI in microsound > > > I'm starting to develop a set of AI algorithms to assist in live > performance, which will (roughly speaking) analyze control > messages that I > send and, after a certain point, be able to generate their own control > messages based on the patterns I used. Eventually I'd like to design an > algorithm to analyze a continuously changing audio texture on multiple > levels and be able to reproduce similar, non-repeating textures. I've > started by giving my PD patch some various recordings of birdsong (of the > eastern Wood Thrush) for analysis, hoping to tune it to be able > to generate > its own non-repeating woodthrush-like song. > > For discussion: What AI algorithms are the most useful in microsound > performance - in practice, not only in theory? How many of you > microsounders are using AI algorithms, and what have your > experiences been? > Ever used neural networks/second- and third-order Markov chains/genetic > algorithms/generative grammars/other? On what time scale > (piece-structure, > moment, sound-event, or microsound generation)? There was an interesting > interview with Brian Eno back in the 1980's (with The Wire mag, I > believe) > where he expressed a desire for a musical "black box" that could produce > music in a given style, a Beethoven black box, a Beatles black > box, an Eno > black box... Beyond whatever proprietary concerns are involved, is this > even achievable? There's been a lot of talk of letting your > laptop play a > wave file vs. performing the music yourself, but does anyone have any > experience teaching your computer to make desicions for you? > > Cf.: > David Cope, Experiments in Musical Intelligence > Eduardo Reck Miranda (though I find his experiments with cellular > automata > contrived and unconvincing) > among others > > thanks, > david > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 21:30:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34965-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52457 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:30:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 52447 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:30:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:30:16 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] AMS To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this might be a way to become more 'performative' with a laptop: http://kernelthread.com/software/ams2hid/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 21:25:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34964-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47839 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:24:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 47806 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:24:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:24:16 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] install fest in Latin America To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Spanish: http://installfest.info/ English: http://installfest.info/default.en looks interesting...please send/post this to other lists --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 19:31:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34963-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97168 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:30:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 97157 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:30:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:33:30 -0500 From: doug van nort <xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 17 Mar 2005 23:26:18 -0000 Issue 1374 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx heya kathy tis true i have been thinking about/doing network music for a little while now and particularly (recently) in the context of the specific projects you are mentioning here.... i'd love to include the microsound list on such a project - especially since i too am predominantly a lurker here and want to be a good lil community member. the thing is how to include this large group of people in a project that is intended to be (for example) point to point transmission of 8 channels of audio (where is the intended audience and where is the space of interaction, etc.) i've got some ideas and maybe one of them will even turn out to be good and feasible and i will invite the list and all that...if people have done similar projects (large distributed network of participants who perform only in virtual space interacting with a few participants in different physical spaces connecting their audio via broadband connection.....or something of the sort....) and can point me to their work please email me off list and we'll discuss. ---doug On Mar 17, 2005, at 9:50 PM, kathy kennedy wrote: >> re: Microsound Performance Project? > On Mar 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > wrote: > > This sounds like it was meant to happen. > I think I know how this should get done. > > Pauline Oliveros has worked at this very kind of project of connecting > performers via digital networking for decades now. She was just in > Mtl. at the SAT, exploring the successful performances of 8 channel > broadband diffusion. We have been doing it through McGill here for a > while now. Pauline has also used this format at RPI (Troy, NY) I > believe. > > I, having lurked for some time now, know that Tobias Van der Veen > should get right on it and make this happen. Doug Van der Nort, you > should help make it happen too! > > I'm done but would simply like to be remembered for having brought it > up first:-) > xx > kk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > _________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 17:50:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34962-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53699 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:50:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 53689 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:50:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:50:35 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <p06200718be64b25c0057@[192.168.0.2]> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.210] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 17:50:35.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C508930:01C52E3E] Yes, I suppose the "classic" example, where just absolutely everything's governed by Fibonacci/Golden Section is Bartok's "Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta", especially the 1st movement, which was just covered to death in 20th century analysis classes at my music school. It's true that artists, especially, for instance, renaissance-era painters as well as composers like Palestrina and classical architects (i.e. the Parthenon) all used the Golden Section, because of its "natural" proportion. In fact, it's probably one of the best-known proportions out there. I find, though, too often composers pick this tool up too quickly, and automatically cause their work to conform to these proportions, where others might in fact be better for a given piece. It's almost *too* perfect - too easy to just apply these proportions whenever you're at a loss for form. Which is not to say that they can't still be used - just that not every piece, not every aesthetic experience is best organized in this way. A more interesting approach would be, taking the natural inclination to experience things in accordance with the Golden Section, to play off that by skewing proportions so key events don't come when expected. It's a little boring to be able to expect, for a 10 minute piece, that the climax will come at 6 minutes and change, and find this again and again in piece after piece. >From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:32:12 -0800 > >At 11:06 AM -0600 3/21/05, David Powers wrote: >>Well, I don't know if you can "wear out" something that may not be >>directly accessible to the listener... Composers often find inspiration >>from engaging in rather arbitrary mathematical games (fibonacci, but also >>serialism, fugue, canon, etc.). I think the real question is whether such >>techniques are useful springboards for the composer's imagination. > >The Fibonacci series is also a natural phenomenon that gives shape to many >living things and that forms the basis for the Golden Proportion. Humans >seem to find this proportion universally pleasing and therefore the use of >Fibonacci proportions is a natural and easy way to create structures that >"work" aesthetically. > > >P.S. The Fibonacci series (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21...) is formed by adding >two consecutive terms to derive the next term in the series (therefore 13 + >21 gives the next term 34). The Golden Mean (or Golden Proportion or Ratio) >may be approximated by dividing consecutive Fibonacci numbers (13/21 = >0.61905..., 21/13 = 1.61538...). > >The higher up the series the closer the approximation to the proportion, >which is commonly represented as "phi" and equals 1.6180339887499... or >-0.61803398874989... For more details and an explanation of why phi has >two values, see: > >http://www.vashti.net/mceinc/golden.htm >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://salamandersongs.com >http://ill-wind.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 17:40:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34961-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48831 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:40:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 48820 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:40:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:32:12 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200718be64b25c0057@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GUpo8Wq3JJL4iG5yVGwKTA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GUpo8Wq3JJL4iG5yVGwKTA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 11:06 AM -0600 3/21/05, David Powers wrote: >Well, I don't know if you can "wear out" something that may not be >directly accessible to the listener... Composers often find >inspiration from engaging in rather arbitrary mathematical games >(fibonacci, but also serialism, fugue, canon, etc.). I think the >real question is whether such techniques are useful springboards for >the composer's imagination. The Fibonacci series is also a natural phenomenon that gives shape to many living things and that forms the basis for the Golden Proportion. Humans seem to find this proportion universally pleasing and therefore the use of Fibonacci proportions is a natural and easy way to create structures that "work" aesthetically. P.S. The Fibonacci series (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21...) is formed by adding two consecutive terms to derive the next term in the series (therefore 13 + 21 gives the next term 34). The Golden Mean (or Golden Proportion or Ratio) may be approximated by dividing consecutive Fibonacci numbers (13/21 = 0.61905..., 21/13 = 1.61538...). The higher up the series the closer the approximation to the proportion, which is commonly represented as "phi" and equals 1.6180339887499... or -0.61803398874989... For more details and an explanation of why phi has two values, see: http://www.vashti.net/mceinc/golden.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --Boundary_(ID_GUpo8Wq3JJL4iG5yVGwKTA)-- From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 17:04:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34960-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33182 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:04:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 33171 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:04:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:06:52 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, I don't know if you can "wear out" something that may not be directly accessible to the listener... Composers often find inspiration from engaging in rather arbitrary mathematical games (fibonacci, but also serialism, fugue, canon, etc.). I think the real question is whether such techniques are useful springboards for the composer's imagination. Such games do seem to provide helpful limitations, since (unless you believe in some myth of "dialectical" progress) the thought of all available musical choices in the postmodern era can be rather overwhelming. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx 03/21/05 08:20AM >>> No joke, I understand the rock band Tool uses the fibonacci series in one of their songs (hence the genre name "math rock"). ;-) Might be an interesting reference if this is for a paper... It seems that direct use of mathematical proportions is becoming quite common nowadays, especially when composers for the last 60-70 years have been so driven on using math and math-like processes to drive their compositions. I've seen literally dozens of compositions that have an evident use of the fibonacci series or its relative, the golden section, and I've used it myself. Not that I can blame them - it's quite an appealing proportion - but it might be starting to wear out from overuse. >From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Subject: [microsound] Fibonacci in music >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:33:39 -0600 (CST) > >Hi microsounders. > >Please, if somebody have information, info, examples or music proyect >produced around of the Fibonacci number, teory or similar, I appreciate >very much. > >PD: Very insteresting the laptop perfomance discussion! > >Best regards, Mika Martini. > > > > >------------------------------------------- >[M!M] [SCL] >[www.mikamartini.scd.cl] > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del >Mundo. >Visíta Yahoo! 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Mon Mar 21 16:44:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34959-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24192 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:44:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 24180 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:44:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:46:57 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hamster MIDI controller To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hmmm, the hamster part is fine, but it seems like there could have been much more interesting timbral, harmonic, and rhythm choices made for the hamsters to trigger. I don't understand why people do something "crazy" in one area, and then make these really timid compositional choices that doom the work to aesthetic failure. If the timbres are going to be Casio presets of flute and xylophone, at least use some more exotic harmonic and rhythmic material! ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx 03/20/05 02:35PM >>> the future of music is here. apparently these little guys are headlining mutek this year. http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 15:42:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34958-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99493 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:42:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 99483 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:42:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:50:54 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI in microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi David, sounds interesting. PD has quite a collection of random objects, but the cellular automata/neural network stuff isn't so immediately usable as the high-level objects I've seen in Max/MSP, but that's true in general about the differences between the two (PD = more DIY, no "black boxes", more low-level functions used vs. Max/MSP = more commercial, many high-level "black boxes" used instead of low-level objects). I used some basic stochastic generators for an electromagnetic installation called OZONE a year or two ago. Actually, I wish I had spent more time developing the algorithms, because once I started looking at all the stuff on generative art out there. I did find a few links to some interesting stuff already: http://www.r4nd.org/ http://www.r4nd.org/help2.html http://www.generativeart.com/ [many papers from several years of conferences] http://www.generativeart.com/2000/PHILIP_GALANTER.HTM http://www.pawfal.org/nebogeo/ http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-camusic/?Open&ca=daw-ja-news#resources [OR http://tinyurl.com/6wkxd] http://dataisnature.com/ [nice blog, BTW!] For the Soundscape-FM.net project, we'll be developing some kind of "intelligent" system to make mixes of the sounds based on transit between two points (i.e. play me a linear mix of all sounds in the database occurring if one were to travel between Amsterdam and Tokyo), but that is still under development and will go on-line in April. I'd be interested as well to hear about other projects out there. best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 57: "Do the words need changing?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 14:44:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34957-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78213 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:44:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 78203 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:44:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:44:23 -0500 From: chthonic streams <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> X-Sender: chthonic%xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p05200f05be648d9f6750@[64.63.223.137]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >a laptop can only not be considered a performance object if the level >>of understanding in observers of the performance holds more weight >>than the performance itself. >> nathand > > >Perhaps then this discussion is not about the role of the laptop but of >the relative importance of the audience. this is a very "tree falls in a forest" question, but a valid one. obviously the question of performance only arises with other people present; no one says "i did a musical performance yesterday in my room alone." so if the audience the main additional ingredient to make something a performance then their presence, undeerstanding, and reaction to what the artist is doing is hugely important. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 14:38:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34956-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76051 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:38:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 76037 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:38:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:37:28 +0000 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI in microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 14:38:36.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9FA1880:01C52E23] I've been using L-Systems to generate images and instructions for sound. L-Systems are based on strings, so I can breed the initial strings together, hence genetic programming. I haven't really got very far, but it's quite a simple approach that can be reapplied in various audio/visual systems and programming languages without much effort. The end result I wanted to achieve was based on peer to peer networks. You know those viruses that spot what you're searching for that create fake files to try and trick people into downloading them? I wanted to write a program that waited for users to search for particular keywords, then generate audio based on my algorithms and their keywords. Then you'd have little black boxes (as Eno said) hidden in p2p networks, creating unique tracks. Maybe someone's done this by now, maybe I'll finish my code one day! On 21 Mar 2005, at 14:10, david golightly wrote: > For discussion: What AI algorithms are the most useful in microsound > performance - in practice, not only in theory? How many of you > microsounders are using AI algorithms, and what have your experiences > been? Ever used neural networks/second- and third-order Markov > chains/genetic algorithms/generative grammars/other? On what time > scale (piece-structure, moment, sound-event, or microsound > generation)? There was an interesting interview with Brian Eno back in > the 1980's (with The Wire mag, I believe) where he expressed a desire > for a musical "black box" that could produce music in a given style, a > Beethoven black box, a Beatles black box, an Eno black box... Beyond > whatever proprietary concerns are involved, is this even achievable? > There's been a lot of talk of letting your laptop play a wave file vs. > performing the music yourself, but does anyone have any experience > teaching your computer to make desicions for you? -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 14:30:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34955-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72792 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:30:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 72777 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:30:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:30:28 +0100 (CET) From: "Balazs, Gerofi" <xxxxx@xxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI in microsound -> Continuator In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner 4.31.6-itk1 (ELTE 1.2) SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.73 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-4.9, required 5.9, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello There! Sony has an intresting project called "The Continuator". Description: The Continuator project involves a real time interaction with a system that learns musical styles. With the Continuator, users can play music as they wish, and the system will automatically engage in a dialogue by producing musical phrases designed as continuations of user input. Gradually, the dialogue becomes more and more interesting and challenging as the system continuously learns from all the previous interactions. We are interested in the forms of excitement produced, and the links with, e.g. the theory of Flow. Check it's homepage: http://www.csl.sony.fr/Research/Experiments/Continuator/index.php Regards, B. Gerofi On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, david golightly wrote: > I'm starting to develop a set of AI algorithms to assist in live > performance, which will (roughly speaking) analyze control messages that I > send and, after a certain point, be able to generate their own control > messages based on the patterns I used. Eventually I'd like to design an > algorithm to analyze a continuously changing audio texture on multiple > levels and be able to reproduce similar, non-repeating textures. I've > started by giving my PD patch some various recordings of birdsong (of the > eastern Wood Thrush) for analysis, hoping to tune it to be able to generate > its own non-repeating woodthrush-like song. > > For discussion: What AI algorithms are the most useful in microsound > performance - in practice, not only in theory? How many of you > microsounders are using AI algorithms, and what have your experiences been? > Ever used neural networks/second- and third-order Markov chains/genetic > algorithms/generative grammars/other? On what time scale (piece-structure, > moment, sound-event, or microsound generation)? There was an interesting > interview with Brian Eno back in the 1980's (with The Wire mag, I believe) > where he expressed a desire for a musical "black box" that could produce > music in a given style, a Beethoven black box, a Beatles black box, an Eno > black box... Beyond whatever proprietary concerns are involved, is this > even achievable? There's been a lot of talk of letting your laptop play a > wave file vs. performing the music yourself, but does anyone have any > experience teaching your computer to make desicions for you? > > Cf.: > David Cope, Experiments in Musical Intelligence > Eduardo Reck Miranda (though I find his experiments with cellular automata > contrived and unconvincing) > among others > > thanks, > david > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 14:20:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34954-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68285 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:20:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 68273 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:20:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:20:05 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.210] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 14:20:06.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[145AF170:01C52E21] No joke, I understand the rock band Tool uses the fibonacci series in one of their songs (hence the genre name "math rock"). ;-) Might be an interesting reference if this is for a paper... It seems that direct use of mathematical proportions is becoming quite common nowadays, especially when composers for the last 60-70 years have been so driven on using math and math-like processes to drive their compositions. I've seen literally dozens of compositions that have an evident use of the fibonacci series or its relative, the golden section, and I've used it myself. Not that I can blame them - it's quite an appealing proportion - but it might be starting to wear out from overuse. >From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Subject: [microsound] Fibonacci in music >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:33:39 -0600 (CST) > >Hi microsounders. > >Please, if somebody have information, info, examples or music proyect >produced around of the Fibonacci number, teory or similar, I appreciate >very much. > >PD: Very insteresting the laptop perfomance discussion! > >Best regards, Mika Martini. > > > > >------------------------------------------- >[M!M] [SCL] >[www.mikamartini.scd.cl] > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del >Mundo. >Visíta Yahoo! 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Mon Mar 21 14:10:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34953-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64436 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:10:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 64426 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:10:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:10:46 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] AI in microsound X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.210] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 14:10:47.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[C752BF80:01C52E1F] I'm starting to develop a set of AI algorithms to assist in live performance, which will (roughly speaking) analyze control messages that I send and, after a certain point, be able to generate their own control messages based on the patterns I used. Eventually I'd like to design an algorithm to analyze a continuously changing audio texture on multiple levels and be able to reproduce similar, non-repeating textures. I've started by giving my PD patch some various recordings of birdsong (of the eastern Wood Thrush) for analysis, hoping to tune it to be able to generate its own non-repeating woodthrush-like song. For discussion: What AI algorithms are the most useful in microsound performance - in practice, not only in theory? How many of you microsounders are using AI algorithms, and what have your experiences been? Ever used neural networks/second- and third-order Markov chains/genetic algorithms/generative grammars/other? On what time scale (piece-structure, moment, sound-event, or microsound generation)? There was an interesting interview with Brian Eno back in the 1980's (with The Wire mag, I believe) where he expressed a desire for a musical "black box" that could produce music in a given style, a Beethoven black box, a Beatles black box, an Eno black box... Beyond whatever proprietary concerns are involved, is this even achievable? There's been a lot of talk of letting your laptop play a wave file vs. performing the music yourself, but does anyone have any experience teaching your computer to make desicions for you? Cf.: David Cope, Experiments in Musical Intelligence Eduardo Reck Miranda (though I find his experiments with cellular automata contrived and unconvincing) among others thanks, david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 09:28:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34952-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51034 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:28:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 51023 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:28:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:28:29 +0200 From: k o t r a <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] (promo) New mp3-release by Kotra on Nishi + live announcement X-Originating-IP: 172.16.20.2 via proxy [193.201.27.41] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: k o t r a <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx friends! A new on-line release "Stamina" from Ukrainian microsound and abstract noise master and co-producer of Nexsound label - KOTRA on great Canadian based web-label Nishi. http://www.notype.com/nishi/releases/55/index.html Kotra will also be playing on 24 of march on Soundbridges festival in Austria. http://www.skug.at -= http://kotra.org.ua http://nexsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 21 01:06:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34951-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58116 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:06:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 58101 invoked from network); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:06:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:06:11 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >a laptop can only not be considered a performance object if the level >of understanding in observers of the performance holds more weight >than the performance itself. > nathand Perhaps then this discussion is not about the role of the laptop but of the relative importance of the audience. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 20 22:14:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34950-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84991 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:13:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 84980 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:13:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:13:50 -0800 From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Call for Submissions In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx-xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE63359E.657D%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't understand the necessary logic of point 3. My preference would be to explore the medium exactly in that area. On 17/3/05 1:46 pm, "frederic yarm" <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > These > are the ground rules/recommendations he stated for this project: > * Compositions solely using field recordings (with or without effects) to > create a droney, hypnotic, or otherworldly product. The use of delay, > loops, chorus, and reverb are encouraged. The listener should be able to > recognize the source material in some ways but not others. > * It will be an exercise in making 'music' out of non-instruments and > finding the beauty in unplanned or orchestrated events. > * One point about the field recording aspect of it is stressing that > the person recording is not part of the recording in orchestrating or > making the sounds, only a passive observer and documenter (obviously, just > being there has an effect albeit hopefully minor). > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Sun Mar 20 20:37:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34948-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52712 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:35:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 52695 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:35:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:35:31 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] hamster MIDI controller To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the future of music is here. apparently these little guys are headlining mutek this year. http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 20 20:12:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34947-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45151 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:12:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 45135 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:12:07 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:20:47 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [news] new free DVD-Audio software To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If anyone here is interested in authoring an audio DVD disk with free + open source tools, this new app just came down the pipe: http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/ Looks quite handy. d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 133: "remember quiet evenings" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 20 18:40:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34946-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13761 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:39:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 13734 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:39:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:39:41 -0600 (CST) From: Manrico Montero <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Manrico xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx Sonore, Avatar In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OQ+rdduYyImSt32vkehKKg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_OQ+rdduYyImSt32vkehKKg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi there to all, i want to share a link where you can hear my session at the Excavation Sonore, with the audio art crew from Québec, Avatar, http://www.meduse.org/avatar/ , originally released on its mp3 cd compilation "11 h, Excavation Sonore" (ohmavtr32), on Ohm éditions. http://www.kunstradio.at/RADIOTOPIA/DATA/MP3/p/excavation_sonore_1.m3u :) Manrico Montero Mexico City --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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THANK YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework - phonography/field recording; contextual and decontextualized sound activity presented by patrick mcginley this was march's framework:focus edition, featuring a studio visit from the curator of the online mp3 label stasisfield, john kannenberg. john spoke to us about stasisfield's online exhibition the audible still-life, and brought us a selection of the sounds used in it, as well as a number of the resulting tracks from the accompanying cd release. each participating artist was given four directives: 1. construct a still-life 2. create a visual artwork that documents the still-life 3. record the sound that the still-life made 4. create an audio composition derived from the sound of the still life the resulting exhibition, as well as information on the cd release, can be found here: http://www.stasisfield.com/space/still-life. the second half of the show consisted of live studio performance by john also using some of the material from the exhibition. for more info on the stasisfield mp3 label and the work of john kannenberg, see http://www.stasisfield.com and http://home.earthlink.net/~jkannenberg. again, we are always looking for material for the show, whether raw field recordings, field recording based composition or introduction submissions. send material, released or not, on any format, to the address below. we are also hoping to have live performances as often as possible, so if you are in or passing through london please get in touch! framework 31 nevill road london n16 8sl uk xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11.03.05 this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 23.03.05, at 11:00am gmt glenn bach / two rooms / exhibition glenn bach / phye / cd hal rammel / highway construction (at rest) / exhibition hal rammel / highway construction (in action) / cd sawako / dd source / exhibition sawako / dd (dream of the dog) / cd john hudak / untitled source april 2003 / exhibition john hudak / untitled april 2003 / cd koura / field (found objects in main port office, gifu, japan) / exhibition koura / okuru / cd steve roden / mic resting on bookshelf / exhibition steve roden / bookshelf (the titles of visible books) / cd john kannenberg / live in the resonancefm studios betsy biggs / deluge / exhibition ethan koehler / stella remembers / cd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework intro submissions: 1) take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice 2) record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you - 3) read the following text: welcome to framework. framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition. field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen! 4) continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking 5) send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia. drop in here to have a look: http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php framework 2003 resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting rob grant & melanie clifford / framework intro thomas dimuzio / unearth & lift and spear / sonicism / rrrecords chris watson / river mara at night / stepping into the dark / touch johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux toy bizarre / - / kdi dctb 116 / absurd murmer / liquid solid / definition / absurd jgrzinich & seth nehil / the distant edge / confluence / intransitive seth nehil & jgrzinich / the mirrored corner / stria / erewhon annette lissauer / framework intro toby paddock / air, surface and magnetic vibrations / - / - steve roden / - / resonant cities / trente oiseaux francisco lopez / untitled #101 / untitled (2000) / ignis projekt mnortham / ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org the quiet american / donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org steve barsotti / trainyard presence / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org k. m. krebs / jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan) / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org david daniell / highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm / sem / antiopic joyce hinterding / - / spectral / antiopic/sigma editions david daniell / dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am / sem / antiopic tacet ncv / live on framework jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler / live on framework dallas simpson / framework intro --Boundary_(ID_3tZ6x/d8t89YNApM3ar2ZQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Mar 20 04:10:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34944-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10604 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:10:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 10594 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:10:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:10:27 -0800 From: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=AxH5KI5EcDhWLaeaQLeQFp5LseN51UtyvnS1R31K8jYOYpkuw1yJcEhKZIBU7qNlixr/tcjU3v2payHoigC/gBw9RUl7d+BvfWnKGnHJnCesD/5CgFw9FVfYH0NmBhqB8cAS5kKFu5aWgHSMEsykjbuHQMKtAma1HRes9HdKiww= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i agree on this point. if you look at a laptop as a performance object, excluding the consideration of software, as an essential part of the laptop, as the performance object in the first place, you may expand the base object by adding additional controllers such as keyboards, knob boxes, and touch sensitive devices. i currently run a setup from a linux laptop with 3 different midi controllers performing improvised sound with custom synthesizers in csound. it is quite a feat to control these in realtime, as some of the sound generators are constant and not played like traditional instruments and synthesizers. it is quite different than touching keys and the mouse pad, however; all the additions present are simply input extentions of the laptop itself. although performing with the additions adds more to the visual presentation of the performance, it does not devalue the laptop as a audio performance object. if you removed the keyboard from the laptop and rewired it, mounting the keys A-Z as buttons, spacing them a meter apart from each other, then triggering sounds or modifiying parameters from these keys, it would be more visual in that you would see a person running around on the stage pressing buttons in different locations, however; due to the physical spacing of the keys and the limitation of human speed, it would greatly reduce the theoretical level of maximum complexity inherient in the device, thus, in a sense, devaluing the maximum potential of the audio performance. to say this is more of a audio performance due to the physical movement of the operator seems silly. a laptop can only not be considered a performance object if the level of understanding in observers of the performance holds more weight than the performance itself. i look at a performance as a manifestation of an operator in a system to produce a desired effect. a performance exists as long as the operator has control which is quite independent of an observers realization of the operators control. nathand On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:26:12 -0800 (PST), andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I think you are indirectly touching on an interesting > point, which is that one of the true beauties of the > powerbook as a performance tool is all the goodies you > can plug into it. I think for me the gestural > performance is only important because I am > specifically interested in creating a relational space > between sound and the body. I am thinking of tools > as prosthesis, a way to augment the human function. > > In regards to modifying joysticks, I do it a lot > (mostly because I can't afford expensive usb/midi > sensorboxes), and it's very easy once you get to know > the circuit a little bit. I don't want to get all OT > teched out here, so if anyone's interested in cracking > joysticks, contact me offlist... > > I think also the discussion regarding the context of > laptop performance is an important one. There are not > too many proper spaces that are conducive to engaged > listening for such performances without going the art > gallery/concert hall route. What makes for an ideal > listening environment? Perhaps it has yet to be > constructed... > > Andrew > > --- xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx wrote: > > I use my laptop to perform noise, there was > > something that always troubled > > me, why would someone want to come out and see a > > computer nerd standing > > behind a laptop producing beeps and buzzes of > > unknown patterns. Should there > > truly be a performance to make it art. should > > dancing bears or trick dogs > > jumping through hoops of flame company my > > performance.........no. Noise > > performance is about the energy produced from the > > sound, it's what is felt not what > > is there for eye candy. pounding keys may not be > > the greatest act to see, > > but what's felt is to be known. I don't restrict > > myself to just a laptop, I > > have a trunk full of bent circuit goodies to play > > with as well. I have > > keyboards with no keys but touch sensitive sensors > > for randomness instead. A > > performance is about what is felt not what is seen. > > > > > > Geary > > > > Andrew Benson > www.cloud-machine.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://patternmedia.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 20 00:31:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34943-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57277 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:31:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 57255 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:31:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:31:08 -0800 From: xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <p0620070fbe61307cbcd4@[192.168.0.2]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx-xxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9349/index.html On Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > At 12:47 AM +0000 3/19/05, Gavin Stevens wrote: > > >I did a track that was based on a clock-maths treatment > of Pascal's > >Triangle & the Fibonacci sequence. Both sequences > produced repeating > >patterns (Pascal quite short: 1-3-6-1-6-3-1-9-9; > Fibonacci rather longer > > >You can listen to (& free download) "When You Come to > Me" here: > > > >http://stage.vitaminic.co.uk/main/gavin_stevens/all_tracks/ > > Oh yeah, I neglected to give a URL for my piece: > > http://www.salamandersongs.com/mp3/3_for_5.mp3 > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 20 00:31:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34942-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57275 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:31:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 57255 invoked from network); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:31:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:31:08 -0800 From: xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <p0620070fbe61307cbcd4@[192.168.0.2]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx-xxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9349/index.html On Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > At 12:47 AM +0000 3/19/05, Gavin Stevens wrote: > > >I did a track that was based on a clock-maths treatment > of Pascal's > >Triangle & the Fibonacci sequence. Both sequences > produced repeating > >patterns (Pascal quite short: 1-3-6-1-6-3-1-9-9; > Fibonacci rather longer > > >You can listen to (& free download) "When You Come to > Me" here: > > > >http://stage.vitaminic.co.uk/main/gavin_stevens/all_tracks/ > > Oh yeah, I neglected to give a URL for my piece: > > http://www.salamandersongs.com/mp3/3_for_5.mp3 > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 19:01:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34941-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65225 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:00:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 65196 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:00:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:02:12 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SpLNgVHwjz367uwDLmEyWg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_SpLNgVHwjz367uwDLmEyWg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both. Except I am not sure I agree with the characterization of the performance as "artifical". On the one hand, in a venue/siituation where the content of the work can be satisfactorily isolated or focused on by an attentive audience, one would perform works which are best suited for that kind of venue/situation. On the other hand in a setting which may demand, er, let''s say a more "entertaining" or "crowd-engaging" approach, it would make sense as a performer, to take that into consideration when structuring the performance. I think it is a matter of asking those questions and honestly answering them. The reception of the work, the situation in which it manifests, the audience, are all in a sense, part of the work. One is never really just a "laptop artist", if one ventures into the public sphere. On Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 04:20 PM, Noel Peters wrote: > So I think arguing that it isn't a problem is a bit like preaching to > the converted. Is the approach to persist with the obvious > functionality > of the laptop and wait for audiences to latch on to the idea that it > doesn't matter, or is the approach to layer an artificial performance > over the top. I prefer the former, because the latter seems dishonest. > Or does that matter? CommTom Communications of Tomorrow "it's only a day away" unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. http://www.commtom.com --Boundary_(ID_SpLNgVHwjz367uwDLmEyWg)-- From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 16:34:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34940-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28609 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:34:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 28599 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:34:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:33:58 -0800 From: Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Calika @ The Wire In-reply-to: <00ef01c52c69$55777ed0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001601c52983$28b82ae0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <00ef01c52c69$55777ed0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David @ Audiobulb wrote: > Hi Rudolphe, > > Thank you for your kind words - glad you enjoyed the track. It is > called 'Latticel Work' - by Calika (Simon Kealoha), as you can hear he > is musicially talented - he plays in a Jazz band and DJs - so he has a > good all round appreciation of musical technique and composition. > > Visit the site for more preview tracks from 'Intricate Maximals'. > > www.audiobulb.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange" > <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Calika @ The Wire > David; Many thanks for that. It was a very impressive work. -- Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange http://clcx.org/ http://clcx.blogspot.com/ http://rudycarrera.com/ http://rudolphcarrera.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 11:42:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34939-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76490 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:42:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 76480 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:42:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:41:59 +0100 From: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Mousikelab artgallery To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE61CE97.81ED%xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rLxIMgWuTrNU6nQXcusShg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rLxIMgWuTrNU6nQXcusShg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, You are invited to see the exhibition of Totto Renna http://www.mousikelab.it/artgallery/ndex.htm Best marco messina http://www.mousikelab.com/ --Boundary_(ID_rLxIMgWuTrNU6nQXcusShg)-- From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 09:52:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34938-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57109 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:52:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 57099 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:52:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:50:00 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Calika @ The Wire To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: Simon Kealoha <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00ef01c52c69$55777ed0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001601c52983$28b82ae0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Rudolphe, Thank you for your kind words - glad you enjoyed the track. It is called 'Latticel Work' - by Calika (Simon Kealoha), as you can hear he is musicially talented - he plays in a Jazz band and DJs - so he has a good all round appreciation of musical technique and composition. Visit the site for more preview tracks from 'Intricate Maximals'. www.audiobulb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange" <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] Calika @ The Wire > David @ Audiobulb wrote: > >> The Wire have featured a Calika track in their mp3 archive :::: >> >> http://www.thewire.co.uk/mp3/calika.mp3 >> >> The track is taken from Audiobulb's Intricate Maximals compilation - out >> now at www.audiobulb.com >> >> Micro-glitch-groove-dub and guitar all in one track. Hope you enjoy. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> > David; > > Does this track have a name? It's quite remarkable. > > -- > Regards, > > Rudolph A. Carrera > Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange > http://clcx.org/ > http://clcx.blogspot.com/ > http://rudycarrera.com/ > http://rudolphcarrera.blogspot.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 07:48:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34937-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35617 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:48:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 35605 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:48:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:48:45 +0100 From: uzekt <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Sat, 19 March 2005 : bern dj set >>>13h gtm and molair live >>> 14h gtm for netstockfest To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004301c52c58$14a79b80$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/wc+WRs8vQwXvmBZazXPMA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-ME-UUID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_/wc+WRs8vQwXvmBZazXPMA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello i'm playing dj set and Molair live for netstockfest streaming electronic music festival : www.netstockfest.net Sat, 19 March 2005 bern dj set >>>12h gtm molair live >>> 13h gtm thank for your support, all the best, bern + info / booking : Molair live / Bern dj www.bern-online.net www.molair.net [ new web site] --Boundary_(ID_/wc+WRs8vQwXvmBZazXPMA)-- From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 02:37:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34936-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58129 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:37:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 58118 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:37:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:37:11 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unintentional sound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I wrote: > > A logical conclusion from the premise of phonography ("unintentional > > sound is worth listening to") Kim asked: > could you define 'unintentional sound'? I meant only: sound that is of [aesthetic] interest by fact of our attention to it -- as opposed to by the intent we could reasonably ascribe to its creator. (Our attention may be tickled by properties within the unintentional shared with familiar intentional sound, of course...!) Phonographically, this means, on either end of the spectrum: most musicians play instruments to be heard; the sounds made by most machines are "waste," undesired or arbitrary byproducts. More interesting (from this attempt to classify) are sounds away from the extremes: ritual sound (eg prayer); functional speech; natural soundscape eg flowing water and weather; animal communications -- there's a continuum of intent I believe we might ascribe to each. I'm interested in because I embrace the notion that we have much to learn from the serendipitous (read: accidental, unintended...). Again ~ this does seem to be a point where phonography and microsound intersect in an interesting way. Fwiw I find myself projecting ideas from "glitch" and "accident" aesthetics I read about on this group, towards a notion of "detritus" soundscape. I might say: "the rhythms of a manual printing press are arguably the result of a 'glitch' or oversight in its design and construction, or perhaps a necessary but unexamined consequence of those things..." The analogy might continue in more subtle ways; for example, I feel acoustic ecological concerns about "the noise problem" often seem to oversimplify the question of what noise is -- e.g. one person's noise is another person's "soundmark," even within the frame of reference of a lot of acoustic ecological discourse itself. Which is another way of saying, yesterday's noise is tommorow's masterpiece -- and perhaps today's cutting edge. best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 02:12:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34935-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10595 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:11:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 10572 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:11:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:11:30 -0500 From: chthonic streams <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: chthonic%xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p05200f02be6137418db1@[64.63.223.16]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>Is this barrier simply a short term obstacle present until the audience >>is able to understand the performative language of the laptop? > >No. There is no performative language of the laptop. Or more aptly, >yes there is a language, but it is only one syllable, and it is >misspelled. Unless someone does something performative, then there >really is no performance in practical terms. Laptop "performance" is >boring period. Just because someone gets up in front of people and >does something on their laptop does not mean that the entire history >of the performing arts should be re-calibrated to allow for that act >to be "good performance". It is a slap in the face to anyone who has >honed those performative skills. It is a slap in the face to the >audience to blame the lack of engagement in the performance on them >(the audience). You either have a good performance or you don't. >That definition is broad, and should be explored by anyone who wants >to "perform" using a laptop. The days of the novelty value of >someone getting up in front of people and doing something in real >time on their laptop are gone. hopefully yes...but once novelty value has gone is when what's really worth something rises to the top. i agree the audience can't be blamed, at least not entirely. if we don't understand, then laptop artists need to make us understand. again, context is all. i absolutely loved the kid606 show at rothko in nyc, which could have benn called boring by some standards i suppose. the onscreen visuals were manic and the music was completely insane. i didn't have time to be bored. i didn't care about the gear he was using (laptop and some outboard stuff). he didn't even play much of anything i recognized, so my owning a few CDs of his had no effect. i realize he could have theoretically done all the mixes prior to his arrival and just acted like he was doing something, but i think it was obvious that wasn't the case. by contrast, i couldn't have been more bored with the plaid show i saw, which had *teo* people onstage and also had visuals. that one i left early. i also have their CDs and probably enjoyed them about as much at the time as i do kid606 now. there must have been some difference between these two performances. once you've seen a few of these shows, you learn the language of the laptop performer: the furrowed brow, the darting eyes, the hurried motions back and forth with other gear, the sweating, the head bobbing, the fist-pumping. you could say it's all bullshit, but then you could say that of any aspect of visual performance in an essentially sonic medium. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 01:30:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34934-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97730 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:30:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 97719 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:30:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:28:46 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p0620070fbe61307cbcd4@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/gOUk0w/MTlHdCembOcdrw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_/gOUk0w/MTlHdCembOcdrw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 12:47 AM +0000 3/19/05, Gavin Stevens wrote: >I did a track that was based on a clock-maths treatment of Pascal's >Triangle & the Fibonacci sequence. Both sequences produced repeating >patterns (Pascal quite short: 1-3-6-1-6-3-1-9-9; Fibonacci rather longer >You can listen to (& free download) "When You Come to Me" here: > >http://stage.vitaminic.co.uk/main/gavin_stevens/all_tracks/ Oh yeah, I neglected to give a URL for my piece: http://www.salamandersongs.com/mp3/3_for_5.mp3 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --Boundary_(ID_/gOUk0w/MTlHdCembOcdrw)-- From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 00:53:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34933-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84976 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:53:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 84961 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:53:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:47:23 +0000 From: Gavin Stevens <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Organization: gavmusic MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Mika, I did a track that was based on a clock-maths treatment of Pascal's Triangle & the Fibonacci sequence. Both sequences produced repeating patterns (Pascal quite short: 1-3-6-1-6-3-1-9-9; Fibonacci rather longer - don't have it immediately to hand). Both sequences were used to determine duration & harmony. The track is called "When You Come to Me" & is the first track on my 1998 album "Staring at the Dawn". All 5 tracks on the album have some sort of mathematical / algorithmic basis. You can listen to (& free download) "When You Come to Me" here: http://stage.vitaminic.co.uk/main/gavin_stevens/all_tracks/ I hope that you like it. Best wishes, Gavin. On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:33:39 -0600 (CST) Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi microsounders. > > Please, if somebody have information, info, examples or music proyect > produced around of the Fibonacci number, teory or similar, I > appreciate very much. > > PD: Very insteresting the laptop perfomance discussion! > > Best regards, Mika Martini. > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > [M!M] [SCL] > [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto > del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 19 00:27:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34932-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71299 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:27:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 71289 invoked from network); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:27:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:35:36 -0500 From: Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Microsound Performance Project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE60DE08.8762%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 3/18/05 11:22 AM, bruce tovsky at xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: i'd be interested in hosting a gathering of > nyc - based performers. > cheers > bruce Hi Bruce, I'm in Jersey so if something like this happens please keep me in mind. albert "omnid" casais --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 23:30:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34931-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54283 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:30:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 54271 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:30:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:26:25 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200707be6112b0c0d1@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_awrB2iMiGTIJQaj4JEQzeQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_awrB2iMiGTIJQaj4JEQzeQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 1:33 PM -0600 3/18/05, Mika Martini wrote: >Please, if somebody have information, info, >examples or music proyect produced around of the >Fibonacci number, teory or similar, I appreciate >very much. Lots of Finbonacci examples in Bartok's music. See: Ernö Lendvai. Béla Bartók: An Analysis of his Music, Kahn & Averill, London, 1971. Also many instances in Stockhausen's music. I used Fibonocci numbers for temporal proportions and other purposes in my percussion piece 3 for 5 (1979). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --Boundary_(ID_awrB2iMiGTIJQaj4JEQzeQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 22:33:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34930-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31925 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:33:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 31915 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:33:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:30:55 +0100 From: Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Organization: block 4 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Interesting is that webradio and other streaming media is virtually killed in Germany by april. Simular to US a year ago or so, the rightholders societys GEMA and GVL increased the pauschal wages so incredible high that almost every free webradio shuts down in the moment. It goes together with strange rules about how many times an artist can be played in a row, making retrospectives impossible. I don't know if the often suggested solution to play artists which are not members of Gema (like me :) ) is valid or everything is plain illegal. Musicindustry acts now for some years as they want to kill themselves but this outragious behaviour even calls some politicians to duty (who normally ignore new media at best or fight against jobs by implementing software patents) because even they see that this kills new developments like podcasting: (links in german, maybe the fish helps) http://www.golem.de/0503/37038.html http://de.indymedia.org/2005/03/109339.shtml And didn't Apple downgrade Itunes so it can't stream mp3s? There it goes the digital life hub I guess... -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- New release: Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of disorder' on http://www.disorder-records.de more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 21:05:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34929-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98258 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:57:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 98248 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:57:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:57:02 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MnXAp8i3djtfR8N2oNKISw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_MnXAp8i3djtfR8N2oNKISw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/05 2:34:05 PM, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx writes: > > Please, if somebody have information, info, examples or music proyect > produced around of the Fibonacci number, teory or similar, I appreciate very much. > > Obrecht Masses, check out the Van Crevel edition in a music library. mediadrome international audiochrome, inc. --Boundary_(ID_MnXAp8i3djtfR8N2oNKISw)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 20:05:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34928-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79505 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:05:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 79495 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:05:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:05:44 +0000 From: "W.C.Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... Sender: "W.C.Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-WebMail-UserId: n2090490 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00104934 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this is something we got onto discussing with Richard Middleton here in newcastle. In a seminar where the term post-vernacular started flying around, as a way of talking about music with an avant-garde type approach yet not working at the same bourgeoise level as the historical avant-garde movements which played upon the dualism between dirty popular and serious art music, the term popped up as a way of side-stepping these issues with strong historical resonances. The point was then made that the popular, of the people, has been hijacked and perhaps should be reclaimed rather than just running away from this term. clearly 'pop' music has a certain aesthetic meaning attached to it but why should people be deterred from defining their music as popular? >===== Original Message From Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> ===== >It drives me crazy that popular music has actually become consumerist >music. > >I think we should change the name. > >Pop music used to carry an entirely different connotation... I prefer >to think of it as useful music for the community and 'popular' activity >that brings society together over class boundaries. It was never the >Popular Music that garnered a need for money, it used to be the other >way around; 'Art Music' is where the big bucks were, especially in >opera and theatre. > >Maybe if Capitialism is considered a popular activity that is >pragmatically useful, the actualization of today's Pop Music makes >sense (not to me, but probably to the 'Popular Majority'). Everything >about Popular Music has become appropriated by the manipulation machine >of the Music Industry. The elements of Pop Music are much more >interesting to me than the categorization of it being Pop. > >On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Peter Price wrote: >> >> If the word "pop" is problematic it is perhaps because you are using >> it problematically. Why can't we just agree that "pop" is short for >> "popular" ;) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org http://www.altho.org arts community --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 20:03:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34927-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77042 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:03:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 77023 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:03:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:00:55 +0100 From: Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Fibonacci in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Organization: block 4 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mika Martini wrote: > Hi microsounders. > > Please, if somebody have information, info, examples or music proyect produced around of the Fibonacci number, teory or similar, I appreciate very much. > > PD: Very insteresting the laptop perfomance discussion! > > Best regards, Mika Martini. > The (net)label Bremsstrahlung did a compilation around that topic but its not released, or? I did a piece with some oscillators made in pd using Fibonaccinumbers as wavegenerator.... Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- New release: Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of disorder' on http://www.disorder-records.de more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Best regards, Mika Martini. ------------------------------------------- [M!M] [SCL] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. --Boundary_(ID_X9lMTR3t07+EB35uM3XE0g)-- From ???@??? 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X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ixoSxAFWdQrwJ81IE3XPjg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, upcoming: Ok.suitcase @ Share In: Lucky Cat 245 Grand St. Brooklyn 21:30h check: http://share.dj/share/event_info.php?eventID=120 having just arrived to new york for a residency at Experimental Intermedia with Phill Niblock, André Gonçalves will present his first New York impressions. all the best Andre http://www.ctrl.tk --Boundary_(ID_ixoSxAFWdQrwJ81IE3XPjg)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 18:14:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34924-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29355 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:14:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 29344 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:14:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:18:25 -0800 From: io <xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unintentional sound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE605B71.6D07%xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> A logical conclusion from the premise of phonography ("unintentional >> sound >> is worth listening to") > could you define 'unintentional sound'? > an escape of intestinal gas through the anus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 17:40:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34923-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18016 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:40:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 18002 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:40:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:40:39 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] the space of reception In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=MxI51p+wTPqQuKNbjeDIP09byQJiCfaiaLbAHVWe2VCefPk85HpYSr+IDPDGNe7JcXgIALfIIhkiydMDY9Iw63smI3OdcpM6qHbCnV1e+YhGtO4NtmP5B0gjzMpfp5CIJ+0AZQyj6WsMUrHzKexzz78MVWUd7YhnPaMTRBq9DZs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think it would be invigorating to engage in the issues of audience-reception/institutional 'conventions' theoretically and generally, as regards laptop performance. In ANY space (rather then simply going with/frustratingly resigning to what the traditions/institutional spaces dictate as the norm -> art/gallery spaces are more comfortable for laptop performances, and rock/club/bar spaces create different set of expectations, type of thing). Been reading Site-Specific Art. It's got reasonably good sections on Morris' site works, and Happenings (i.e. Kaprow's "Only for Performers" for instance, and he doesn't mean all have to be musicians, or anything like that. he means wherein all became a part of its very event) -- how breaking down walls of expectations in audience-performer brought the situation/event to an entirely different level of real experience, and hence re-ignited an experience of art (lower case!). With laptop performances, I often feel that not enough thought is given to the space itself. Simply sitting down in the front of the stage is a a bit naive about the whole experience/event, at heart. Not that the scene has to be baroque or entertaining. Rather that even things like shifting the space such that the laptop performer is, for instance, on the floor and the audience is arranged in a funky all over the place way, can do things with the performance/event that make the sound transfigure beyond the usual passive audience/holy creator set up. This could go so much further. It would be interesting I think to develop a collaborative performance/project using Skype or other VOIP technology. Could then occur over vast distances, at the same time. >performance issues, >perhaps the next .microsound project should be a performance, something >that takes place in some particular space (in physical space >telematically, in net space, in each of our houses/apt's, or something >more vague), and involves some kind of contribution/collaboration from >all the participants. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Fri Mar 18 17:10:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34921-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5511 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:10:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 5501 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:10:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:10:09 -0600 From: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] acousmatic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UN0UwQyUxlnbaA3oMJ5LSao7vNukf4RZge/bm3HCD0jn7o8BVkofXMfxcn89uD+dMygnEj48GbRHszu3mSZGAE6GBHdfvfVv3M6yLTwTuBqos275Tb247MgFZqbTiwinb2dKeSs/1r1xTwMOFBJwZlNyd+KOqyG0ig9syb6TsJ4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx at mutek last year, i was at the raster-noton evening at a club type space (i forget the name). well attended but really aggravating for me because it seemed like everyone was talking through out the entire night which kind of ruined carsten's set for me, as he had some very quiet parts lost in the din. i think the venue certainly played a part in how people were responding (or not responding) to the music. unfortunately, some of it turned into background noise. the audience seemed more energized by olaf's techno-ish set, which was more appropriate (volume, dance-ability) for the place. im not trying to sound like a curmudgeon since i did have a good time but certain things are better presented in non-club/bar environs. On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:04:15 -0700, devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I had similar experiences in Baltimore in the late 70's /early 80's at > recitals/shows at the Peabody Conservatory of Music. Ussachevsky would > present works as well as others whose names I do not recall. I was > young and it had the same effect on me. Amazing to sit and listen to, > and in that context this "performance" works... > > I think the problem arises when laptop performers expect that kind of > attention from the audience in more "club" or "entertainment" venues. -- v' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 17:06:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34920-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3763 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:05:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 3729 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:05:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:05:53 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] unintentional sound To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > A logical conclusion from the premise of phonography ("unintentional > sound > is worth listening to") could you define 'unintentional sound'? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 17:03:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34918-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98646 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:03:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 98621 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:03:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:04:15 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] acousmatic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2el1qKpCPUiYZ7cImKqCDA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_2el1qKpCPUiYZ7cImKqCDA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had similar experiences in Baltimore in the late 70's /early 80's at recitals/shows at the Peabody Conservatory of Music. Ussachevsky would present works as well as others whose names I do not recall. I was young and it had the same effect on me. Amazing to sit and listen to, and in that context this "performance" works... I think the problem arises when laptop performers expect that kind of attention from the audience in more "club" or "entertainment" venues. I'd also like to add that my reference to "novelty" was intended to illustrate the way a club-going public "consumes" culture... the "Laptop thing" (as does all other cultural icons) has a certain amount of novelty value, which allows it to command space in the minds of cultural consumers. This created a market for laptop perfromers in those venues, many times without any relationship to the quality of their "performance" and/or music for that matter. Promoters of these kinds of shows want to be hip, and be presenting the latest cool thing (ie. high novelty value). My comment was that this novelty value has quickly faded (relative to location to some degree) and that just being a "laptop act" doesn't get you in the door as easily anymore. In fact to some extent I would argue that promoters have become wary of booking these acts, precisely because of these "performative issues" we are discussing. In short many audiences make it known that laptop shows are boring, and so promoters don't book them anymore. No promoter of this kind of show gives a damn about trying to "educate" the listeners, or re-formulating a gestural language or anything else... they just wanna sell tickets to happy throngs. Again, I am to some degree generalizing... but I still think it is valid. On Friday, March 18, 2005, at 09:05 AM, bruce tovsky wrote: > which brings to mind a show which totally changed the way i thought > about music... > this was in 1971, when i was a freshman in college at indiana > university > in bloomington, indiana. as some of you may know, iu has a well - > respected music program, one of the best in the country. in addition to > the usual suspects - classical and jazz programs - there was a thriving > avant-garde scene as well. i saw some fantastic cage prepared piano > recitals there. the "recital" that i am recalling, though, was of an > entirely > different nature. iannis xenakis was a composer-in-residence at iu at > this time, and he gave a faculty recital of his well-known > electroacoustic > piece "bohor" in multichannel > > On Mar 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> let's not forget the rich and deep legacy of acousmatic music as >> practiced in electro-acoustic circles for over forty years now...nor >> should we forget that often times novelty=spectacle=pop=emphemeral >> which I don't think holds much value for most acousmatic composers >> AFAIK... >> > CommTom Communications of Tomorrow "it's only a day away" unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. http://www.commtom.com --Boundary_(ID_2el1qKpCPUiYZ7cImKqCDA)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 17:04:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34919-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 616 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:04:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 603 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:04:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:03:46 -0500 From: Frank D'Urso <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] SPEAK FOR YOURSELF - Boston Zine Fair In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ya..... Roman the Edge will be performing noise behind two poets tomorrow at the revived Bean Town Zine Town Festival at Mass Art in Boston. Brian Mosher (BMO) and Ben Misch will be reading a few poems and the experiment will be interesting. The Zine fair starts at noon and is free, the performances begin at 7PM, also free. Plasticrazorprotecter and Sig Street join Frank and Dan D'Urso to create unique sonic scapes. A CDr AudioZine contains their last BTZT performance from Brandeis, VeeVille Volumes #2 will be available at teh show or via mailorder. OK details here: http://www.bostonzinefair.org/ The Zine fair will be open on Sunday as well. Also free. well. FrankD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 16:22:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34917-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80246 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:22:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 80236 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:22:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:22:30 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Microsound Performance Project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 17, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > It occurs to me... if we're all so interested in performance issues, > perhaps the next .microsound project should be a performance, > something that takes place in some particular space (in physical space > telematically, in net space, in each of our houses/apt's, or something > more vague), and involves some kind of contribution/collaboration from > all the participants. The only project we've had that's been remotely > like this was the droplifting project (which, IMHO, was the most > interesting project to date). I'm not proposing a specific project, > per se, but I think this would be an interesting challenge to > undertake and I'm wondering if anyone is interested. i have just finished setting up my studio/installation space in the brooklyn navy yard with just this kind of idea in mind. what we visualize is something along the lines of a salon, with people sharing their work in an intimate setting. my space is somewhat small - 700 sq feet - but with 15 ft ceilings it feels spacious. i have a quadraphonic sound system and a nice sony video projector, along with a new g4. i'd be interested in hosting a gathering of nyc - based performers. cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 16:11:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34916-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75710 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:11:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 75700 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:11:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:12:35 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE606823.700%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks ! ....great link to link. On 3/17/05 10:17 PM, "Noel Peters" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > And this link provides links to other works > > http://www.dlux.org.au/mobile/artandfilm.html > > > Noel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 16:06:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34915-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72759 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 72749 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:05:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:05:43 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] acousmatic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx which brings to mind a show which totally changed the way i thought about music... this was in 1971, when i was a freshman in college at indiana university in bloomington, indiana. as some of you may know, iu has a well - respected music program, one of the best in the country. in addition to the usual suspects - classical and jazz programs - there was a thriving avant-garde scene as well. i saw some fantastic cage prepared piano recitals there. the "recital" that i am recalling, though, was of an entirely different nature. iannis xenakis was a composer-in-residence at iu at this time, and he gave a faculty recital of his well-known electroacoustic piece "bohor" in multichannel (17 or so speakers in a circle around the space) surround. the stage was bare save for a large 1" multitrack tape machine center stage, with a gray folding chair set beside it. xenakis walks in with a large box of tape under his arm, walks over to the machine and threads it up, hits play, and then sits down. while the amazing sound of "bohor" washed over us for the better part of an hour, xenakis sat there impassively, his scarred face displaying no emotion. unlike the cage piano piece, which hews to the traditional context of a piano recital and skews it from the inside out (pun intended) the xenakis piece blew away my (admittedly underdeveloped, we're talking indiana here) concepts of what a musical performance entails. i was engulfed in the wash of sound and fascinated watching xenakis calmly sit there as it swirled around the hall. cheers bruce On Mar 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > let's not forget the rich and deep legacy of acousmatic music as > practiced in electro-acoustic circles for over forty years now...nor > should we forget that often times novelty=spectacle=pop=emphemeral > which I don't think holds much value for most acousmatic composers > AFAIK... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 15:51:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34914-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68283 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:51:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 68273 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:51:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks Aaron! > The trick would be that the whole point of podcasting is to get content > passively on an ongoing, recurring basis -- are you thinking that someone > would subscribe (permanently) to the 10-second stream, ie whenever you put > up a new archive of a webstream, they'd get 10 seconds/minutes of it...? Sort of... of course I have no idea at this point how to code the lifting of various random excerpts for podcasts from the ongoing, streamed bbs-corpus. Could also incorporate (http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/abstraction-engine.html) titled "album art" with each mp3-excerpt... /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 12:32:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34913-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96914 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 96900 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:39:50 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media In-reply-to: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Chad, chad vollrath wrote: > The MapHub application also has the ability to record the location that > the sound came from (given that the person who records it is able to > identify the location and enter it into their phone/PDA/or other mobile > device). But I don't know if this would be useful for a performance. > What do you all think - any ideas? Feedback? Does anyone know of any > similar projects? Sounds very similar to a project I am developing for PDAs and webserver for STEIM right now: http://www.umatic.nl/projects_pandev.html I'll have a deeper look at your project a bit later and maybe we can swap notes! best, derek *** The PANDev "Psycho Acoustic Navigational Device" PANDev is intended to be an sound-gathering and processing application written for PDAs and other portable devices running Linux. Its purpose is to assist psychogeographers, phonographers and sound artists in the collection and arrangement of environmental sound material for research and creative purposes. PANDev is conceived to remove the isolating intentionality of the specialist--the artist, the geographer, the ecologist, the phonographer, the biologist, the ethnographer, the sociologist, etc--and replace it with a more accessible and holistic method of gathering sounds. When activated, PANDev will take random sound samples at random lengths and intervals. A simple interface or command line can be given to specify approximate times, but all specific recording is left to the application. Connected to the PDA will be a set of binaural microphones hidden inside quite normal-appearing walkman headphones. The microphones will reproduce exactly the acoustic conditions around the wearer, including such important psychoacoustic spatial cues as front, back, left, right, above, below and relative distance. Using PANDev To use PANDev, all the user need do is input an approximate length of time to record and an approximate level of randomization. The application does the rest, and the user is free to travel through their environment or carry out their day-to-day life. Whether the user chooses to seek out acoustically-interesting settings or even perform for the microphone is of little relevance simply because they will not know exactly when PANDev is capturing sounds. Thus, a more "natural" approach is recommended. The resulting sounds may be as banal as they are sublime or exciting, but they are absolutely guaranteed to provide a unique insight into the user's acoustic environment. Optional Extensions to PANDev Remixing Experience PANDev has several other optional extensions. The first would be the ability to "remix" the sound material gathered at the end of the session, with a number of general subjective parameters including "rhythmic", "drone", "jagged", "smooth", "quiet", "loud", "linear", "disassociated", etc. An algorithmic composition can then be rendered and exported in WAV, AIFF, OGG, or MP3 format. It is important to keep in mind the extremely limited computing possibilities of a PDA [no floating point processor, for example, which most audio processing applications depend on!], therefore these algorithmic compositions must be considered as both pushing the hardware to the limits of its capabilties as well as an excercise in getting the most out of very little. Additionally, they provide a new way of remixing daily existance, with the aim of highlighting previously unnoticed details. Cartographical Visualization The second requires the use of a GPS unit attached to the PDA, from which PANDev would determine geographic coordinates to tag all sound samples gathered. These GPS-tagged sound samples could then be exported to a cartographic mapping system, either in realtime via a network [see below], or locally when each session is completed. For public exhibition, a running audio/visual display of the sounds gathered in the area could be maintained in a public or online space in collaboration Sara Kolster, a graphic and video artist from the Umatic group. See the following for an example of cartographic representation: http://berlin.soundscpae-fm.net Network Awareness The third involves the using the built-in WIFI of the PDA to activate the network potential of the unit. PANDev will regularly scan the local area network of the WIFI card for other units operating the same software. If another PANDev is located, the two seperate units could exchange audio data, thereby expanding each individual's realm of experience. The unit could also upload sounds gathered, along with cartographic data, to a central server in order to provide either rela-time monitoring, or the possibility for a sound artist to make a performative live-mix of the action in progress. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 149: "Take a break" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 12:09:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34912-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91316 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:09:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 91306 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:09:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:09:54 +0100 From: Gianluca Foglino <xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] smbp live at netstockfest To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi list today at 17 gtm will start netstockfest a 48 hours on line streaming elctronic music festival http://www.netstockfest.net SMBP live set 17 GTM best gianluca SundayMorningBrainProduction http://smbp.it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 11:44:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34911-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87208 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 87198 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:42:34 +0100 From: Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] performance discussion In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Organization: block 4 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello > 1) what do you think about live coding as a performance? Where an artist > types in programming code to create the sound, such as Toplap > (www.toplap.org). The fact that the programming code is projected on the > screens is to give the audience an understanding of the process that is > going on to create the audio. Does the understanding of the process > increase ones appreciation of the sound & performance? My gutfeeling says, that this is the next hot bullshit thing, although it is some time around. Dont get me wrong, some results might be interesting but again the tools stands over content. I had the same feelings when everybody was into vjing but instead some artistic happenings only boring stolen loops where mixed together with some stupid filter effects and was more a good decoration. I dont think the audience would get it and can destinct inherent artefacts from intentional artistic efforts during a live coding session. It might give some thrills for people who never saw sourcecode before but this effect wears off fast. And then? Can real creative content be formulated in these tools? Projecting the toolset to make things transparent got some inherent problems. Remember when Max/MSP hype took off and lot of people uses the look of patches for artwork so the audience thought the design, not only the patch, was the artists one instead of Cycling74? I tried it myself on a concert in Sheffield to project my screen but I will not do it again because of these problems, it was only benificial for experienced fellow maxers, the rest just percieved a funny moving diagramme which acts in sync with the audible music :) > > 2) what do you think to tactile interfaces as an alternative to laptop > performances? Here are some example projects: > Audiopad - http://www.jamespatten.com/audiopad/ > Blockjam - http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/IL/projects/blockjam/ > Scanjam - http://www.muratnkonar.com/id/scanjam/ > (Scanjam is a concept project by two royal college of art students) > Audiocubes - http://www.audite.at/en/projects_audiocube.html > Let me throw in this one I saw on a conference a year ago, some pd folks are involved: http://www.iua.upf.es/mtg/reacTable These things are cool to create music and jam with some people and regain some haptic relationship. But it would be a funny picture for audience, adults playing with building blocks. We should dress ourselves like Pee Wee Herman and play around on the stage floor with these tinker toys :) Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- New release: Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of disorder' on http://www.disorder-records.de more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Mar 18 09:14:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34909-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47326 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:14:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 47273 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:13:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:13:55 +0000 From: Chris O'Shea <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] performance discussion To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 09:14:28.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2F5BA80:01C52B9A] Hi I've been lurking on microsound for a few weeks and I am very interested in the laptop performance discussion, so thought I would throw in two things to see what everyone thought. 1) what do you think about live coding as a performance? Where an artist types in programming code to create the sound, such as Toplap (www.toplap.org). The fact that the programming code is projected on the screens is to give the audience an understanding of the process that is going on to create the audio. Does the understanding of the process increase ones appreciation of the sound & performance? 2) what do you think to tactile interfaces as an alternative to laptop performances? Here are some example projects: Audiopad - http://www.jamespatten.com/audiopad/ Blockjam - http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/IL/projects/blockjam/ Scanjam - http://www.muratnkonar.com/id/scanjam/ (Scanjam is a concept project by two royal college of art students) Audiocubes - http://www.audite.at/en/projects_audiocube.html It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on any of the above. Cheers -- ~ Chris O'Shea; # +44(0)7974 96871; # me-at-chrisoshea.org; # www.chrisoshea.org; --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 08:54:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34908-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37779 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:54:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 37768 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:54:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:54:40 -0800 From: Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline wrote: >On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:40:27 -0800, Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange ><xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > >>Christos Carras wrote: >> >> >> >>>Owen Green wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>That's true, but unfortunately not in its entirety (though I'd >>>>reccomend the book nonetheless). >>>> >>>> >>>i find that a very frustrating aspect of the book: there are many >>>texts that are only partially reproduced, like a sample of someones >>>thinking. >>> >>>personally, i would have prefered fewer but complete texts. >>> >>>cc >>> >>> >>> >>Has anyone thought to place all of those texts into a large book, and >>would anyone pay, say, $50-60 for a copy? It seems like it would be a >>good idea to do something like this. >> >> > > >It's very common to take and edit down texts for readers of this kind. > Nothing unusual here. Abridgment for the sake of providing a taste >of a wide array of material is typical of academic publishing, and you >can consider a text like Audio Culture to be a general introduction to >the field. Microsound denizens are obviously ready for something more >advanced--for the most part I suspect. > > Bill; Great deduction, but I'll admit to being greedy and wanting a thorough education in the subject matter. To have access to as much material as possible would be quite nice, especially as I'd like to dive further into microsound's aesthetics. -- Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange http://clcx.org/ http://clcx.blogspot.com/ http://rudycarrera.com/ http://rudolphcarrera.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 08:49:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34907-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35595 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:49:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 35585 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:49:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:48:44 -0800 From: Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Calika @ The Wire In-reply-to: <001601c52983$28b82ae0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001601c52983$28b82ae0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David @ Audiobulb wrote: > The Wire have featured a Calika track in their mp3 archive :::: > > http://www.thewire.co.uk/mp3/calika.mp3 > > The track is taken from Audiobulb's Intricate Maximals compilation - > out now at www.audiobulb.com > > Micro-glitch-groove-dub and guitar all in one track. Hope you enjoy. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > David; Does this track have a name? It's quite remarkable. -- Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange http://clcx.org/ http://clcx.blogspot.com/ http://rudycarrera.com/ http://rudolphcarrera.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 08:48:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34906-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34288 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 34228 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:47:54 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=E0VUOHbocZpq7aa1BIYp2X4rUkrxzXz8+mhMcKBVUeK6CaPcfKUTlGUJnKDemiel3vAtFtC7UgrO1wI94HKtV8yeO+sSzR1veWnNLPldWVW2u0/P7UC7Ld5BgY92TPSlCfZJ4PAWWbs9c3hIxhnx/WLorU7v0eRk4aUmCjgEbSs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:40:27 -0800, Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Christos Carras wrote: > > > Owen Green wrote: > > > >> > >> That's true, but unfortunately not in its entirety (though I'd > >> reccomend the book nonetheless). > > > > > > i find that a very frustrating aspect of the book: there are many > > texts that are only partially reproduced, like a sample of someones > > thinking. > > > > personally, i would have prefered fewer but complete texts. > > > > cc > > > Has anyone thought to place all of those texts into a large book, and > would anyone pay, say, $50-60 for a copy? It seems like it would be a > good idea to do something like this. It's very common to take and edit down texts for readers of this kind. Nothing unusual here. Abridgment for the sake of providing a taste of a wide array of material is typical of academic publishing, and you can consider a text like Audio Culture to be a general introduction to the field. Microsound denizens are obviously ready for something more advanced--for the most part I suspect. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 08:40:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34905-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31195 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:40:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 31185 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:40:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:40:27 -0800 From: Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange <xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Christos Carras wrote: > Owen Green wrote: > >> >> That's true, but unfortunately not in its entirety (though I'd >> reccomend the book nonetheless). > > > i find that a very frustrating aspect of the book: there are many > texts that are only partially reproduced, like a sample of someones > thinking. > > personally, i would have prefered fewer but complete texts. > > cc > Has anyone thought to place all of those texts into a large book, and would anyone pay, say, $50-60 for a copy? It seems like it would be a good idea to do something like this. -- Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Carrera-Linn Cultural Exchange http://clcx.org/ http://clcx.blogspot.com/ http://rudycarrera.com/ http://rudolphcarrera.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 07:44:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34904-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19365 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:44:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 19355 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:44:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:44:05 +0800 From: "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media In-reply-to: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.londonsoundscape.net/ > What do you all think - any ideas? Feedback? Does anyone know of any > similar projects? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 05:15:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34903-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78829 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:15:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 78819 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:15:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] joysticks In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NMfh+9o/mevSFm4pwQXwbom2FCW2rdUdLGQGsJv0vk9r/Nsv2hUWPZr1jzesjbYZwTKHYkgMn+rKb4PItxRcHCutFSh8HV1AZEc1BvBfQyJllQGe2M5S2kPc4wPP18tw4oRwl5wp6GYBvtZx4noFWTECPhXER3zXY+HB747JkE0= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > also at STEIM they have something called junXion > which runs on Mac OS > X, and lets you use any USB device for a MIDI > controller. I agree that Junxion is a great way to start with using joysticks and other devices(I started back when midijoy was the only option). I've stopped using it since Max/MSP started including real support for USB devices. I'm sure there are ways to get at the device data in other operating systems as well... It sure beats buying one of those expensive sensor interfaces, and with a little ingenuity you can fashion a custom device for all your gesamptkunstwerk needs. Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 03:51:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34902-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57559 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:51:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 57549 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:51:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media In-reply-to: <BE5F9C4A.6EC%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE5F9C4A.6EC%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > The idea of 'performing' with field recordings (i.e. if it's possible to > transmit your location recording while listening to the way they're being > processed simultaneously) is an interesting one...i wonder how feasible this > is ? Minus the gear, that's pretty much what a guided soundwalk is if course -- just flipping the challenge makes it all so much less expensive. Bring the people to the sound -- if you can. A logical conclusion from the premise of phonography ("unintentional sound is worth listening to") is that the goal is not so much to share specific recordings, but to cultivate and inculcate a particular kind of intentional listening (ie attention) both as a practioner and in the "audience." The more I work with field recordings the more I come to believe that my work and performance is all a slight of hand necessary to accomplish a not quite revealed goal, which is encouraging the listener to have a different relationship to what they hear -- regardless of context: in fact, *specifically* outside the context of performance, "work", etc. My current toy theory is that to a dramatic extent what distinguishes "interesting" phonography from un- is the conditioned application of attention. Which is not to say that we *should* cultivate a deep intentional interest in difficult (boring etc) listening -- but of course many of us on this last already have ;) -- but that we could; and that the cues we evolve to distinguish without reflection between what is and is not worth listening to are quite ductile. (Nothing new philosophically here, I just like pulling at it experimentally in my own chosen domain (field recording and composition therefrom). Fwiw I do think that this is a point where the interests (dare I say goals?) of "microsound" (esp. in its ultraminimalist vein) and my own kind of phonography are deeply allied and cross-fertile... But back to the idea of field recording "performance" -- Cf Janet Cardiff too; there is interesting territory yet to be explored with the use of field recording (and video analog thereof) to diffuse the boundaries of the real... among other things. Eg I've been talking with some folks here in SF who do some pretty intense immersive site-specific theater work (to date, always for an audience of one -- entire pieces created for an audience of a single specific person; the work based on research on and interviews with etc that person -- now there is some radical reconsideration I must say to put into practice!), about ideas of using binaural recordings played back in the space in which they were recorded in all sorts of interesting ways -- the quality is already there that you can cause some quite disorienting illusions... best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 03:17:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34901-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47364 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:17:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 47353 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:17:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:17:28 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx And this link provides links to other works http://www.dlux.org.au/mobile/artandfilm.html Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 03:15:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34900-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45757 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:14:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 45744 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:14:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:14:47 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here is something being done right now in Australia. Not the first as I understand... http://www.dlux.org.au/mobile/index.html Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 23:49:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34889-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63264 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:49:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 63254 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:49:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:50:03 -0800 From: kathy kennedy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 17 Mar 2005 23:26:18 -0000 Issue 1374 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > re: Microsound Performance Project? On Mar 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: This sounds like it was meant to happen. I think I know how this should get done. Pauline Oliveros has worked at this very kind of project of connecting performers via digital networking for decades now. She was just in Mtl. at the SAT, exploring the successful performances of 8 channel broadband diffusion. We have been doing it through McGill here for a while now. Pauline has also used this format at RPI (Troy, NY) I believe. I, having lurked for some time now, know that Tobias Van der Veen should get right on it and make this happen. Doug Van der Nort, you should help make it happen too! I'm done but would simply like to be remembered for having brought it up first:-) xx kk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 02:23:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34899-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26962 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:23:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 26952 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:23:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:23:38 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick O'Rourke <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] strange In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=MAOzab76DrRECJ0AEPQp2Ufa9uBK0DfnftWTcB80RJ1fAdPA29zOJtx1JXOPuiJPSqHrM90hrbwI9mNaqtiAl7Z2K8gh6YNd81McN/xmPZwGJJz+GvtdPjdPXjJ+jTmAuZzbUvlWubDi+KVZ0PXgScAMaeFQhV8M9LarX7kii/c= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If you look on page 918 of the computer music tutorial and check figure 20.1. Peter Samson next to the Systems Concepts Digital Synthesizer. That mother is bigger and than refrigerator! Capable of creating 256 independent sound sources in real-time, controlled by mainframe, yikes! And I'm not talking about Peter. I'm not sure if it was ever used in a concert/performance setting, or what the interface was via main frame, but the realtime aspect suggest that this may have been possible. Perhaps someone the list knows more about this machine or Peter Samson's work? I'd be curious to hear what it people have made with it. __ Patrick (quietly reading and listening to the list for a few years) --- Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > michael trommer wrote: > > Good lord, they didn't actually perform concerts > with those things, though > > (did they ?!) > > > guess not because usally that music was not realtime > and edited (and > performend) on/from tape. > The Telharmonium should have been the biggest > machine used to perform a > concert, big like a factory and listenable over the > telephonline which > eventually jammend... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telharmonium > > -- > Malte Steiner > media art + development > -www.block4.com- > > New release: > Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of > disorder' on > http://www.disorder-records.de > more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: > http://java.block4.com/blog4/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 02:04:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34898-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19015 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:04:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 19004 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:04:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:02:07 +0100 From: Malte Steiner <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] strange In-reply-to: <BE5F8927.6E2%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Organization: block 4 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE5F8927.6E2%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx michael trommer wrote: > Good lord, they didn't actually perform concerts with those things, though > (did they ?!) > guess not because usally that music was not realtime and edited (and performend) on/from tape. The Telharmonium should have been the biggest machine used to perform a concert, big like a factory and listenable over the telephonline which eventually jammend... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telharmonium -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- New release: Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of disorder' on http://www.disorder-records.de more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 02:01:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34897-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17342 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:01:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 17331 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:01:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:01:30 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media In-reply-to: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx That's a great idea for a project... some ideas that come to mind: You can probably record the numbers of the people sending data. Though its somewhat tangential to your idea, I would be interested to see phone calls incorporated into the performance (a segment of the performance where the audience erupts into cell-phone-ringing would be fucking spectacular). Alternatively, I could see a tangent project where participants are called up and short mini-performances are broadcast to their phone, based on the database of sounds. I suspect you might be able to focus the project a little more depending on how you frame it to the participants. There needn't be a huge narrative behind it, but it might help if you focused on specific kinds of locations, sounds, subject material, etc. This could help give the piece more meaning/context, and help avoid a situation where the musicians have to force their way through a (probably bad) performance using nothing but 15 or 20 clips of people saying hello or recording their dogs (who knows, maybe this could be good). I think this project is hardly in danger of "celebrating the liberating power...". I suspect the primary "liberating power" that propelled cell phones to where they are now is the liberation of business people from the office. Without the support of businesses early on, I doubt cellular tech would have nearly infrastructure it has now. I would love to hear how the performance is progressing. Also, when you've got time, I would love to know more about the MapHub project, especially the technology behind it. - Scott Carver On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:29 PM, chad vollrath wrote: > I have been thinking a bit about a possible performance that > implements several laptops and mobile devices. I'm working on a > project called MapHub right now (which I believe I mentioned on here > one other time - www.maphub.org). MapHub is an internet application > that can store sounds, images and video from mobile devices. We are > considering putting together a performance in which we ask the > audience to call our number where they record audio into their cell > phones immediately prior to the show (field recordings of street > noise, or whatever they want). These sounds are immediately upped to > the database, and the musicians process the sounds on stage (we would > of course need to be connected to the net - a hotspot would be ideal). > I don't know how this would turn out, or how it would sound. I > imagine that the musicians (of which I would be one) would need at > least a little prep. time in order to isolate some sounds that might > serve as a percussive backdrop - something to give the piece some > structure. I also imagine that the audience - whether in a bar or not > - would be more engaged with the laptop performance, precisely because > they have helped to produce it (I know that I'd listen for the sound I > recorded). > I think that it is interesting that we now have the opportunity to > rely on the technology that the audience brings strapped to their > bodies as constitutive elements of the performance. (There are > certainly issues here that I'm not entirely comfortable with - I don't > want to "celebrate the liberating power of the cell phone" by any > means. Nor do I want to construct a performance atmosphere that > excludes people based on class and tech-literacy.) > The MapHub application also has the ability to record the location > that the sound came from (given that the person who records it is able > to identify the location and enter it into their phone/PDA/or other > mobile device). But I don't know if this would be useful for a > performance. > What do you all think - any ideas? Feedback? Does anyone know of any > similar projects? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 01:38:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34896-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7572 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:38:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 7558 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:38:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:42:50 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media In-reply-to: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5F9C4A.6EC%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The idea of 'performing' with field recordings (i.e. if it's possible to transmit your location recording while listening to the way they're being processed simultaneously) is an interesting one...i wonder how feasible this is ? Kind of the nadir of true free improvisation. I'd like to try, but unfortunately I haven't got a cellphone...if something like this were in fact possible it might just make me finally get one, though. On 3/17/05 7:29 PM, "chad vollrath" <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > I have been thinking a bit about a possible performance that implements > several laptops and mobile devices. I'm working on a project called MapHub > right now (which I believe I mentioned on here one other time - > www.maphub.org). MapHub is an internet application that can store sounds, > images and video from mobile devices. We are considering putting together > a performance in which we ask the audience to call our number where they > record audio into their cell phones immediately prior to the show (field > recordings of street noise, or whatever they want). These sounds are > immediately upped to the database, and the musicians process the sounds on > stage (we would of course need to be connected to the net - a hotspot would > be ideal). I don't know how this would turn out, or how it would sound. I > imagine that the musicians (of which I would be one) would need at least a > little prep. time in order to isolate some sounds that might serve as a > percussive backdrop - something to give the piece some structure. I also > imagine that the audience - whether in a bar or not - would be more engaged > with the laptop performance, precisely because they have helped to produce > it (I know that I'd listen for the sound I recorded). > I think that it is interesting that we now have the opportunity to rely on > the technology that the audience brings strapped to their bodies as > constitutive elements of the performance. (There are certainly issues here > that I'm not entirely comfortable with - I don't want to "celebrate the > liberating power of the cell phone" by any means. Nor do I want to > construct a performance atmosphere that excludes people based on class and > tech-literacy.) > The MapHub application also has the ability to record the location that the > sound came from (given that the person who records it is able to identify > the location and enter it into their phone/PDA/or other mobile > device). But I don't know if this would be useful for a performance. > What do you all think - any ideas? Feedback? Does anyone know of any > similar projects? > >> devslashnull writes: >> I think the issue surrounds how a performance is framed. A "recital" is > different than a "presentation" than a "performance" than a "show". > People (audience) bring different expectations to each. i think the > problem arises when an artist is not aware or in control of how > "whatever it is they do" is represented to the potential audience, by > themselves by the promotional team or whoever is in control of the > public face of the event. > > if a laptop performer agrees to play in a club, where typically rock > bands, or DJ's play, and ends up on the flyer as "Live PA" or > "Performance By", and then just stands behind the laptop and tweaks, I > think people (audience) feel dissapointed, or less engaged. This > obviously does not apply to all audience members. I guess speaking for > myself, I just am less interested these days in going to a"club-type" > laptop show, because the listening environment (and since the LISTENING > becomes the key factor most of the time) is less than optimal if it is > at a club type event. People drinking talking, smoking etc... thats > just not conducive to a great listen. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 01:16:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34895-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 237 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:16:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 227 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:16:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:16:23 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > items in my attic as it is. Hence the ongoing web-stream: > which I listen to regularly. I'm liking the idea of offering > 'make-your-own' mp3s as podcasts.] > > (o) 10 sec starting now > (o) 60 sec starting now > (o) 90 sec starting now The trick would be that the whole point of podcasting is to get content passively on an ongoing, recurring basis -- are you thinking that someone would subscribe (permanently) to the 10-second stream, ie whenever you put up a new archive of a webstream, they'd get 10 seconds/minutes of it...? If not, it sounds like what you're really talking about is just archives that are either pre-prepared with different length excerpts, or generate them automatically during webcast, or when requested -- if you can code these (or get someone else to) functions, that's great! It seems to me that a live stream, backed up with an accessible archive -- especially with the option to subscribe to the archive *as* a podcast, which is pretty much what I'm doing with the "vacations" -- is pretty much what you want... the different lengths are just icing. :) best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 00:28:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34894-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83559 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:28:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 83549 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:28:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:29:54 -0500 From: chad vollrath <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] laptop performance / locative media X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx (Unverified) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have been thinking a bit about a possible performance that implements several laptops and mobile devices. I'm working on a project called MapHub right now (which I believe I mentioned on here one other time - www.maphub.org). MapHub is an internet application that can store sounds, images and video from mobile devices. We are considering putting together a performance in which we ask the audience to call our number where they record audio into their cell phones immediately prior to the show (field recordings of street noise, or whatever they want). These sounds are immediately upped to the database, and the musicians process the sounds on stage (we would of course need to be connected to the net - a hotspot would be ideal). I don't know how this would turn out, or how it would sound. I imagine that the musicians (of which I would be one) would need at least a little prep. time in order to isolate some sounds that might serve as a percussive backdrop - something to give the piece some structure. I also imagine that the audience - whether in a bar or not - would be more engaged with the laptop performance, precisely because they have helped to produce it (I know that I'd listen for the sound I recorded). I think that it is interesting that we now have the opportunity to rely on the technology that the audience brings strapped to their bodies as constitutive elements of the performance. (There are certainly issues here that I'm not entirely comfortable with - I don't want to "celebrate the liberating power of the cell phone" by any means. Nor do I want to construct a performance atmosphere that excludes people based on class and tech-literacy.) The MapHub application also has the ability to record the location that the sound came from (given that the person who records it is able to identify the location and enter it into their phone/PDA/or other mobile device). But I don't know if this would be useful for a performance. What do you all think - any ideas? Feedback? Does anyone know of any similar projects? >devslashnull writes: >I think the issue surrounds how a performance is framed. A "recital" is different than a "presentation" than a "performance" than a "show". People (audience) bring different expectations to each. i think the problem arises when an artist is not aware or in control of how "whatever it is they do" is represented to the potential audience, by themselves by the promotional team or whoever is in control of the public face of the event. if a laptop performer agrees to play in a club, where typically rock bands, or DJ's play, and ends up on the flyer as "Live PA" or "Performance By", and then just stands behind the laptop and tweaks, I think people (audience) feel dissapointed, or less engaged. This obviously does not apply to all audience members. I guess speaking for myself, I just am less interested these days in going to a"club-type" laptop show, because the listening environment (and since the LISTENING becomes the key factor most of the time) is less than optimal if it is at a club type event. People drinking talking, smoking etc... thats just not conducive to a great listen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 00:16:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34893-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79580 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:16:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 79570 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:16:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:21:11 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] strange In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5F8927.6E2%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Good lord, they didn't actually perform concerts with those things, though (did they ?!) On 3/17/05 5:32 PM, "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > they used to weigh as much if not more than a grand piano and there was > a lot of 'superfluous theorizing' about computers being used to make > music then as well...the more things change the more they stay the > same? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 00:09:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34891-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74726 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:09:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 74716 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:09:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:13:55 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5F8773.6E0%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think it's simply a matter of assigning keys. Take a look at the ableton forums for more info. (Cheap tho, eh ?) On 3/17/05 5:44 PM, "David Powers" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Would one need any software to utilize such a device, or simply plug it > in and assign keys in Ableton? > > This could be great in combo with the Evolution UC33 that I have - > which is flimsy, but at the same time is very cheap and has been quite > effective for me. Having the Belken device to trigger alongside the > Evolution would be even better - in fact I'd rarely need to touch my > laptop... > > ~David > > David Powers > Secretary > DePaul University, School of Education > Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services > 773-325-4806 > >>>> xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx 03/17/05 04:31PM >>> > On 3/17/05 3:16 PM, "devslashnull" <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >>> Has anyone modified game control devices for use in >>> music/sound performance, as triggers/multi-mousing/x-y >>> actions of some kind ? > > I know people are saying good things about using ableton with this: > > http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=207 > 1&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 > > 071&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 00:03:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34890-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70980 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:03:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 70969 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:03:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:03:00 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 17 Mar 2005 23:26:18 -0000 Issue 1374 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 00:08:14.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[9475AAB0:01C52B4E] I just saw Pauline at the three day conference on Women in Music at calstate fullerton, and she mentioned one such project where three different locations (RPI was one of them, something in Marseilles was another, and there was a third i think at Mills) shared sound and video and utilized projectors so that dancers could take cues and share virtual space with each other between continents. Norman Lowrey is another wonderful improvisor and instrument builder who incorporated live recordings from river sounds recorded in upstate NY. http://www.users.drew.edu/nlowrey/ has info about his work with field recordings and his homemade 'singing masks' - these things are so much fun!! m On Mar 17, 2005, at 6:50 PM, kathy kennedy wrote: >> re: Microsound Performance Project? > On Mar 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > wrote: > > This sounds like it was meant to happen. > I think I know how this should get done. > > Pauline Oliveros has worked at this very kind of project of connecting > performers via digital networking for decades now. She was just in > Mtl. at the SAT, exploring the successful performances of 8 channel > broadband diffusion. We have been doing it through McGill here for a > while now. Pauline has also used this format at RPI (Troy, NY) I > believe. > > I, having lurked for some time now, know that Tobias Van der Veen > should get right on it and make this happen. Doug Van der Nort, you > should help make it happen too! > > I'm done but would simply like to be remembered for having brought it > up first:-) > xx > kk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 18 00:12:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34892-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76927 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:12:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 76915 invoked from network); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:12:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:59:52 -0800 From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Microsound Performance Project? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20050317.161121.3612.1.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_EVqdAAB9wU7WIZorlHqJAg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvR+1LUyUaXTiZwP+gdP6P0nhhDIQiODv0w== X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1820173950 X-MAIL-INFO: 263039ed7db5ed1dfdb0f93d9431f97910a579d580d494a4e050a13499f46dc5e4d5154485555501f465c521c9c5ad819001e430719554f58d8d3db4797054399170e1596075d949690ca91524614581813194f4143434b9d07d9df484649df941657dfdfd5164058065c9a08010 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_EVqdAAB9wU7WIZorlHqJAg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > perhaps the next .microsound project should be a performance, Being that this group is supposed to be a "community", it is rather odd that this hasn't happened before. On the Phonography list group, there have been numerous community-related performances in various cities over the years. Perhaps the live performances could either be recorded and later "podcast" on the web or streamed live during the actual performance via a .microsound web page. Just some pennies to quickly toss out there. Best, Dale Dale Lloyd: http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html and/OAR: http://www.and-oar.org/ NEW: Turba / Lateral Minor (Stasisfield.com) NEW: Volatile And Fixed Principles (leerraum) --Boundary_(ID_EVqdAAB9wU7WIZorlHqJAg)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 23:40:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34888-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58238 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:40:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 58226 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:40:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:37:43 -0800 From: chthonic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: <IMail v6.05 EVAL> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >So I think arguing that it isn't a problem is a bit like preaching to >the converted. Is the approach to persist with the obvious functionality >of the laptop and wait for audiences to latch on to the idea that it >doesn't matter, or is the approach to layer an artificial performance >over the top. I prefer the former, because the latter seems dishonest. >Or does that matter? i think it does. i say whatever is your natural performing inclination is what you should do. if that's not enough for the audience, it's either their perception or the environment of presentation. i posted once before (probably on the idm list) that bare-bones rock clubs are not the places for this kind of music and performance. putting someone with a laptop on the same stage as other kinds of bands and performers invites comparisons that shouldn't be made. i bet if classical or chamber music was a new form, audiences would be arguing how bad these musicians sound in rock clubs too, while the champions of the style would be defending the unique aspects of the players and instruments. it would be up to someone to create environments such as acoustically sympathetic rooms made for playing and enjoying music like that. this is where we stand right now with laptops. i find myself enjoying laptop music much more in a gallery, lounge, or even an apartment. in those spaces the expectation is entirely different. but i'm sure it can go even further if new spaces were conceived for the purpose of getting across the unique characteristics of a live laptop performance. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 23:26:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34886-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49744 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:26:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 49734 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:26:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AERg2fmojPecqBFbRNiBlmUDOQVe3DCvenzruQ3zMY4VGtqX+PSuBc69MRuUjLyxhA8hKxmkp2VXUfrfSf7x7yGFvqwHM+PEoQDV9kE2BY193jmutSEYpPC6R2QF1UoWKTQUWJE5FMbApDvtGzXLl4v0iXV/LQrOE2/0XJOyjuk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think you are indirectly touching on an interesting point, which is that one of the true beauties of the powerbook as a performance tool is all the goodies you can plug into it. I think for me the gestural performance is only important because I am specifically interested in creating a relational space between sound and the body. I am thinking of tools as prosthesis, a way to augment the human function. In regards to modifying joysticks, I do it a lot (mostly because I can't afford expensive usb/midi sensorboxes), and it's very easy once you get to know the circuit a little bit. I don't want to get all OT teched out here, so if anyone's interested in cracking joysticks, contact me offlist... I think also the discussion regarding the context of laptop performance is an important one. There are not too many proper spaces that are conducive to engaged listening for such performances without going the art gallery/concert hall route. What makes for an ideal listening environment? Perhaps it has yet to be constructed... Andrew --- xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx wrote: > I use my laptop to perform noise, there was > something that always troubled > me, why would someone want to come out and see a > computer nerd standing > behind a laptop producing beeps and buzzes of > unknown patterns. Should there > truly be a performance to make it art. should > dancing bears or trick dogs > jumping through hoops of flame company my > performance.........no. Noise > performance is about the energy produced from the > sound, it's what is felt not what > is there for eye candy. pounding keys may not be > the greatest act to see, > but what's felt is to be known. I don't restrict > myself to just a laptop, I > have a trunk full of bent circuit goodies to play > with as well. I have > keyboards with no keys but touch sensitive sensors > for randomness instead. A > performance is about what is felt not what is seen. > > > Geary > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thu Mar 17 23:22:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34885-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46038 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:22:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 46026 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:22:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:22:14 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <010c01c52b43$3cf353b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <00d301c52b39$9d6a8060$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <010c01c52b43$3cf353b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 23:27:29.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2CA5E00:01C52B48] damn! i ALWAYS mix those names up. my fault. i am familiar with both... nakamura being the more performance-interesting of the two. :) On Mar 17, 2005, at 2:46 PM, roberth wrote: > afraid we are referring to 2 different people. Toshimaru Nakamura > works with no input mixing board. > takemura works with laptop. and i often dance with monkeys in my > living room its even more fun than watching, > especially in stereo. didn't know the old farts plaid were still > playing. > robert > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craque" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as > Performance device > > >> i'll have to disagree on this one... >> >> the Plaid/Takemura show i attended in SF a few years back. 2nd time i >> had seen plaid, they perform exactly the same way. no expressions. >> barely any movement. Takemura was even worse because he was sitting >> down behind a table - at least Plaid stood. >> >> this is with a room full of people who were there to jam on Plaid and >> got thrown headlong into a Takemura blitzkrieg! sonically it was a >> wonderful show. but i could have gotten more out of watching monkeys >> dance in my living room and listening to it on my stereo. >> >> On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:37 PM, roberth wrote: >> >>> although its not a labtop toshimaru nakemura's solo >>> no input mixing board is an interesting example he never moves >>> but there is such a strong performance tension. >>> robert >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >>> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:05 PM >>> Subject: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as >>> Performance device >>> >>> >>>> i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, >>>> for example...what did you think ? >>>> >>>> to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as >>>> are kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing >>>> (one might even say 'kick-ass') performances. >>>> >>>> there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this >>>> discussion... >>>> i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or >>>> boring performers of microsound-related music... >>>> >>>> >>>>> I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where >>>>> the >>>>> quality of performance is very high, and the tools are >>>>> transparent. At >>>>> the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers >>>>> lost >>>>> in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance >>>>> 'aura' >>>>> with cheats like visuals. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 23:20:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34884-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44520 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:20:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 44510 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:20:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:20:10 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The issue seems to be being discussed as though the laptop is problematic in theory. My experience is that there is empirical evidence that the laptop is problematic. Many people I speak with have a problem with the use of laptops. It is almost becoming a meme, that the laptop is to be despised. Maybe it's just the Luddites in my local community, although it seems to be a wider concern. So I think arguing that it isn't a problem is a bit like preaching to the converted. Is the approach to persist with the obvious functionality of the laptop and wait for audiences to latch on to the idea that it doesn't matter, or is the approach to layer an artificial performance over the top. I prefer the former, because the latter seems dishonest. Or does that matter? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 23:17:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34883-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41735 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:17:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 41725 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:17:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:17:48 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've seen Nobukazu Takamura play twice, the first time without any clue who he was. I was totally stunned. The second time, I was revved to engage it. He used multiple imacs to generate audio and video, and it was incredible, even when the room was filled with deep water sounds for 20 mins straight. This was before I was even aware of "microsound," or "glitch." ~Kyle --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > i'm just curious: for those who've seen the > raster-noton guys live, for example...what did you > think ? > ,.;:`'*'`:;.,.;:`'*'`:;.,.;:`'*'`:;.,.;:`'*'`:;. Read my thoughts. http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com "The bigger things get the smaller and duller or flatter the globe gets. It is getting to be all one blasted little provincial suburb. When they have introduced American sanitation, morale-pep, feminism, and mass production throughout the Near East, Middle East, Far East, USSR, the Pampas, el Gran Chaco, the Danubian Basin, Equatorial Africa, Hither Further and Inner Mumbo-land, Gondhwanaland, Lhasa, and the villages of darkest Berkshire, how happy we shall be." ~J.R.R. Tolkien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:55:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34882-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34396 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:55:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 34386 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:55:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:41 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Microsound Performance Project? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It occurs to me... if we're all so interested in performance issues, perhaps the next .microsound project should be a performance, something that takes place in some particular space (in physical space telematically, in net space, in each of our houses/apt's, or something more vague), and involves some kind of contribution/collaboration from all the participants. The only project we've had that's been remotely like this was the droplifting project (which, IMHO, was the most interesting project to date). I'm not proposing a specific project, per se, but I think this would be an interesting challenge to undertake and I'm wondering if anyone is interested. - Scott Carver On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:11 PM, P. Lasell wrote: > Focus on the quality of the music/noise. In my experience, a good > 'performance' is based on the music and sometimes the process that the > audience witnesses in the performer, and not the gear or software. > Sometimes I think I like a performance just because I was able to watch > somebody literally -play-. > > Peter > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Thu Mar 17 22:55:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34881-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33448 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:55:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 33437 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:55:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx t> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxt> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > errr....like what ? grandiose keith emerson-ish keystrokes ? i don't see > the point in artificially creating visual cues for people who aren't used > to watching laptop performances...seems silly. actually, I had meant to make clear that I was talking about subtle cues. Apologies for not making this more apparent. > i went to a chamber music concert last week that offered very little in > terms of visual simulation, but i enjoyed it. > Chamber music concerts in general are full of visual cues. Maybe not stimulating but still communicative in some way. Unless the performers were behind a curtain I'd be surprised if you attended one that wasn't. > > i kind of wonder if this discussion actually means to focus the amount of > pre-programming that a laptop permits, which in my opinion is peripheral > (though still relevant) to the issue of the laptop's merit as a > performance tool. I'd agree that the question of "how much is pre-programmed" is important to people. I'm not willing to totally dismiss the question as peripheral or invalid. That being said, I guess I should be careful not to misrepresent myself as someone who needs some sort of zany stage show in order to enjoy myself. In fact most often i react pretty viscerally against that sort of thing (exceptions being Hans Grusel's Krankenkabinet and Rubber O Cement, who are just utter fucking genius and zany as hell but not "microsound" -- google them). If the music is engaging and of the moment then I have no problem just shutting my eyes and listening. Its definitely possible for someone to make clear the sponaneity of what they're playing with just a computer keyboard. I see it all the time in the shows that i curate. But its not required. If it becomes required, then its just another aesthetic to react against and its practitioners become latter-day Keith Emersons. /sean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:47:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34880-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29703 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:47:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 29692 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:47:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:46:04 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <010c01c52b43$3cf353b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <00d301c52b39$9d6a8060$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx afraid we are referring to 2 different people. Toshimaru Nakamura works with no input mixing board. takemura works with laptop. and i often dance with monkeys in my living room its even more fun than watching, especially in stereo. didn't know the old farts plaid were still playing. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craque" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device > i'll have to disagree on this one... > > the Plaid/Takemura show i attended in SF a few years back. 2nd time i had > seen plaid, they perform exactly the same way. no expressions. barely any > movement. Takemura was even worse because he was sitting down behind a > table - at least Plaid stood. > > this is with a room full of people who were there to jam on Plaid and got > thrown headlong into a Takemura blitzkrieg! sonically it was a wonderful > show. but i could have gotten more out of watching monkeys dance in my > living room and listening to it on my stereo. > > On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:37 PM, roberth wrote: > >> although its not a labtop toshimaru nakemura's solo >> no input mixing board is an interesting example he never moves >> but there is such a strong performance tension. >> robert >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:05 PM >> Subject: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance >> device >> >> >>> i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, for >>> example...what did you think ? >>> >>> to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as are >>> kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing (one might >>> even say 'kick-ass') performances. >>> >>> there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this discussion... >>> i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or >>> boring performers of microsound-related music... >>> >>> >>>> I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the >>>> quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. At >>>> the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers lost >>>> in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance 'aura' >>>> with cheats like visuals. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:42:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34879-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27606 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:42:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 27594 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:42:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:44:37 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Laptop, etc as Performance device To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Would one need any software to utilize such a device, or simply plug it in and assign keys in Ableton? This could be great in combo with the Evolution UC33 that I have - which is flimsy, but at the same time is very cheap and has been quite effective for me. Having the Belken device to trigger alongside the Evolution would be even better - in fact I'd rarely need to touch my laptop... ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx 03/17/05 04:31PM >>> On 3/17/05 3:16 PM, "devslashnull" <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Has anyone modified game control devices for use in >> music/sound performance, as triggers/multi-mousing/x-y >> actions of some kind ? I know people are saying good things about using ableton with this: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=2071&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 071&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:42:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34878-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26586 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:42:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 26576 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:42:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:41:56 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] acousmatic music To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx let's not forget the rich and deep legacy of acousmatic music as practiced in electro-acoustic circles for over forty years now...nor should we forget that often times novelty=spectacle=pop=emphemeral which I don't think holds much value for most acousmatic composers AFAIK... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:39:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34877-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24765 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:39:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 24755 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:39:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:39:44 -0500 From: Yatra Arts <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <053d01c52b42$37cc29d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vEWOMTHRhp4G4Nb3jnYjyQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vEWOMTHRhp4G4Nb3jnYjyQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ivan aka CoH is the best of that bunch.....his Amsterdam Sept 2004 show @ The Paradiso was the best raster thing I have seen. Blew the roof of the place! ----- Original Message ----- From: Craque To: microsound Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device have never seen them, but i'd equate their show with Pulse Programming... a similar outfit that does video along with audio, though much more along a pop vein. great music, but no stage presence. i just cannot get into these kinds of "performances." On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:05 PM, <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, > for example...what did you think ? > > to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as are > kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing (one > might even say 'kick-ass') performances. > > there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this > discussion... > i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or > boring performers of microsound-related music... > > >> I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the >> quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. At >> the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers >> lost >> in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance 'aura' >> with cheats like visuals. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_vEWOMTHRhp4G4Nb3jnYjyQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:32:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34876-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21905 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:32:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 21889 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:32:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:32:39 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] strange To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I doubt we would be having this discussion if a computer weighed as > much as > a grand piano. they used to weigh as much if not more than a grand piano and there was a lot of 'superfluous theorizing' about computers being used to make music then as well...the more things change the more they stay the same? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:27:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34874-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17666 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:27:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 17655 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:27:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:31:49 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5F6F85.6CD%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 3/17/05 3:16 PM, "devslashnull" <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Has anyone modified game control devices for use in >> music/sound performance, as triggers/multi-mousing/x-y >> actions of some kind ? I know people are saying good things about using ableton with this: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=2 071&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:29:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34875-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19895 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:29:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 19885 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:29:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:29:03 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 22:34:17.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[7423A990:01C52B41] have never seen them, but i'd equate their show with Pulse Programming... a similar outfit that does video along with audio, though much more along a pop vein. great music, but no stage presence. i just cannot get into these kinds of "performances." On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:05 PM, <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, > for example...what did you think ? > > to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as are > kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing (one > might even say 'kick-ass') performances. > > there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this > discussion... > i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or > boring performers of microsound-related music... > > >> I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the >> quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. At >> the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers >> lost >> in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance 'aura' >> with cheats like visuals. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 22:26:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34873-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16445 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:26:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 16435 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:26:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:25:57 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <00d301c52b39$9d6a8060$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <00d301c52b39$9d6a8060$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 22:31:11.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[0556A440:01C52B41] i'll have to disagree on this one... the Plaid/Takemura show i attended in SF a few years back. 2nd time i had seen plaid, they perform exactly the same way. no expressions. barely any movement. Takemura was even worse because he was sitting down behind a table - at least Plaid stood. this is with a room full of people who were there to jam on Plaid and got thrown headlong into a Takemura blitzkrieg! sonically it was a wonderful show. but i could have gotten more out of watching monkeys dance in my living room and listening to it on my stereo. On Mar 17, 2005, at 1:37 PM, roberth wrote: > although its not a labtop toshimaru nakemura's solo > no input mixing board is an interesting example he never moves > but there is such a strong performance tension. > robert > ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:05 PM > Subject: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as > Performance device > > >> i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, >> for example...what did you think ? >> >> to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as are >> kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing (one >> might even say 'kick-ass') performances. >> >> there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this >> discussion... >> i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or >> boring performers of microsound-related music... >> >> >>> I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the >>> quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. >>> At >>> the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers >>> lost >>> in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance >>> 'aura' >>> with cheats like visuals. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 21:53:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34872-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2065 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:53:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 2053 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:53:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:53:26 -0600 From: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DUHJHuc+JA6w4Ekm4rXuGJiwqTrZ1IwzwGM57pAVTGqgwj9Y6aod9KHLKvJU5Ff0s+K75jMW5iEmv7Goemzjhvo4yWSc3S7Q8PqpcH0oQh7OONyyVFci7fiOzmxnXOxIwz2ZmsYPAbbni5r0FXf1/iU8O+msbHkFgrm43N7nlKM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i run a series of performances at my house, mostly of the improvised electroacoustic nature. although this was a byproduct of the space, it became an interesting feature: most of the time, the performer is not visible to the audience. visual stimulus is reduced (no tv, dimmed lights) to encourage active engagement with the sounds. i bring this up because i found some of the comments and reactions from a few audience members interesting. mostly, it seemed to concern some folks that they were not able to see the performers, even if they sat unmoving behind a laptop for 45 min. im not necessarily advocating for one position or another (since i had little choice where to situate the performers according to the space), but i found the reactions to this setup more interesting, insofar as the anxiety audience members had about not seeing what was making the sound, or who was making it. it seems that people had a hard time separating the performance aspect from the music, sounds, etc. perhaps one of the concerns is that the audience will discover in the end that a machine was responsible for the performance, not a person? or the fact that there isnt a performance aspect with the music somehow devalues the entire thing? im more inclined to think that people expect some sort of visual complement to the audio, even if its to assuage the nervous audience that yes, live humans are responsible for the noise. if you remove the visual element and force people to listen intently (which is the main goal of my series), well i think it is a relatively new experience for them, to focus on the sound (music and environment), not other people or whats on tv later or how this performer reminds them of someone else they just saw/heard. i think the performance aspect, in many instances, is a way to commodify something, to give it a tangible quality. its harder to sell sound (live) alone, even though the performance aspect may add nothing at all to the overall quality. i try to make people aware that they are coming to LISTEN, that visual stimulus will be 'incidental' (ie, their immediate surroundings). > > i am not sure why we keep coming back to the whether laptop is a > > viable instrument for performance. > > its a device that people use to create therefore why should it > > neccesitate having to be translated into some grand dramatic gestural > > dance? > > I think the issue surrounds how a performance is framed.<SNIP> -- v' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 21:51:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34871-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99709 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:51:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 99699 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:51:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:51:38 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Taking the basic kernel of laptop performance to be sitting behind a keyboard, and then theorizing about how to make that more interesting as performance (or how it is /already/ interesting as performance) seems to be, to some extent, a dead end. One of the primary qualities of the laptop is that its portable... making it perfectly capable of generating performances nearly anywhere (probably anywhere you can get a pair of speakers, if its a musical performance). Secondly, computers can be an incredibly powerful tool for recording input from their environments, and creating/controlling interesting outputs (outputs of all kinds... sound, video, network data, electrical signals, radio signals, etc etc). There is very little need for a laptop performance to rely on (and try to fit into) the context provided by a traditional concert/show event. A cello is an oddity, it relies heavily on the concert/show performance environment to connect to the audience and to the world... its out of place and alien nearly everywhere else /but/ here. But a laptop is already at home nearly anywhere, and can be adapted to fit itself into a huge variety of situations. Using a laptop artistically, to break from the politics of the laptop as a business tool, is an interesting idea... but why perform this break in a club/concert venue/etc. when it can be performed in an office? - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 23:38:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34887-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56540 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:38:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 56530 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:38:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: frederic yarm <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Call for Submissions In-reply-to: <x.x.x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx-xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Far Afield: A Webbed Hand Compilation (Webbed Hand 055) Somewhere in the spectrum between Musique Concrete and Phonography, is a vast gray area that is disowned and disputed by either side. This compilation treats this no-man's land as its playground. Field recordings they are, with some processing, but not just walls of rhythmic noise. Sounds of nature, sounds of the city, using the non-instrumental rhythms and melodies of the source recording as the focal points, coaxing the music and beauty out of unplanned, un-orchestrated events. This compilation is curated/edited by recording artist Fred Yarm. These are the ground rules/recommendations he stated for this project: * Compositions solely using field recordings (with or without effects) to create a droney, hypnotic, or otherworldly product. The use of delay, loops, chorus, and reverb are encouraged. The listener should be able to recognize the source material in some ways but not others. * It will be an exercise in making 'music' out of non-instruments and finding the beauty in unplanned or orchestrated events. * One point about the field recording aspect of it is stressing that the person recording is not part of the recording in orchestrating or making the sounds, only a passive observer and documenter (obviously, just being there has an effect albeit hopefully minor). Important: Contributions should not exceed 5 minutes. Tracks must be encoded at 192kbps or VBR mp3, and ID3 tags should include artist and title information. The absolute deadline for this project is Friday, April 15. However, it's "first come - first served," and if enough good submissions to fill up the album are accepted sooner, the project will close earlier, and the album will be released. This album will be a netlabel release, and all tracks will be licensed under Creative Commons by-nc-nd 2.0. The entire album will be available free for download here at Webbed Hand. Please contact the project curator Fred Yarm (xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx) about how and where to send your contribution. For more information about the compilation and Webbed Hand Records: http://www.webbedhandrecords.com/wh055.html Thanks, Frederic http://www2.ennui.net/~yarm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 21:38:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34870-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90063 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:38:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 90052 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:38:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:37:07 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00d301c52b39$9d6a8060$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx although its not a labtop toshimaru nakemura's solo no input mixing board is an interesting example he never moves but there is such a strong performance tension. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device > i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, for > example...what did you think ? > > to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as are > kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing (one might > even say 'kick-ass') performances. > > there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this discussion... > i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or boring > performers of microsound-related music... > > >> I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the >> quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. At >> the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers lost >> in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance 'aura' >> with cheats like visuals. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 21:19:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34869-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82135 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:19:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 82125 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:19:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:19:51 -0500 From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxt> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Giving a few visual cues helps > with this. errr....like what ? grandiose keith emerson-ish keystrokes ? i don't see the point in artificially creating visual cues for people who aren't used to watching laptop performances...seems silly. (...though thinking about different possibilities makes me giggle). the fact is that many concerts i've seen don't really involve all that much in terms of actual gesture...with the exception of late '70's van halen, perhaps. i went to a chamber music concert last week that offered very little in terms of visual simulation, but i enjoyed it. all live performances (should) involve a kind of real-time interaction, and therefore an element of risk...beyond that i don't think it matters if you're playing a laptop, a piano or a rubber band. i kind of wonder if this discussion actually means to focus the amount of pre-programming that a laptop permits, which in my opinion is peripheral (though still relevant) to the issue of the laptop's merit as a performance tool. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 21:11:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34868-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78710 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:11:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 78698 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:11:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=G6LxwKnMipqUxr/06uMmO/QVCDzx3B5lYo88hqCArJ/+6PjXhsdqBckTnDWEtOfnQD53NnqxvqS9bcY9So8pMqQLqg9bqfv90b2CZuU139DXT1zLqwY4nB467f6FyHCbdJKin7BFj8M1iqEOFCrYUCh/zkqdObqZXpKrurzyBBQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Focus on the quality of the music/noise. In my experience, a good 'performance' is based on the music and sometimes the process that the audience witnesses in the performer, and not the gear or software. Sometimes I think I like a performance just because I was able to watch somebody literally -play-. Peter __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Thu Mar 17 21:05:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34867-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75525 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:05:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 75515 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:05:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:05:46 -0500 From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] examples re.[microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm just curious: for those who've seen the raster-noton guys live, for example...what did you think ? to me they would seem to be the epitome of 'stoic performers' (as are kraftwerk, for that matter), but i thought both gave amazing (one might even say 'kick-ass') performances. there's been a strange shortage of actual examples in this discussion... i'd be curious to know who people might present as examples good or boring performers of microsound-related music... > I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the > quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. At > the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers lost > in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance 'aura' > with cheats like visuals. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 20:59:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34866-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72054 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:59:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 72044 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:59:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:00:30 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i believe you have misunderestimated me. i can't say that i know what the "intermediately of audio" is, nor if it was used in a complete sentence. i was referring to the "intermediality" of the 2 data types; audio and video. many artists are creating works which do not recognize a distinction between the types (or at least provide formal and conceptual bridges between the 2), in order to comment on that continuum, or simply to make new and interesting art. the video is not used to "appease the few bored individuals". it is not secondary to the audio. in fact in many ways, it IS the audio... sometimes literally. the performance is about intermediality (between-media). eyes and ears and viscerality... all at once. On Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 01:42 PM, xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx wrote: > when I wrote my rant, I was directing it to the intermediately (the > correct > spelling) of audio. If video is involved I can justify where > performance is > needed, an attack on both sense of hearing and seeing. > your direct assault is benign, this discussion is to characterize the > growing aspect of the limitations a laptop performer faces in front of > a crowd. > Should laptop be given a place in the field of performance art?, I > think so. > what difference are present between keyboard performers and laptop > performer. They both sit hidden behind a mechanical contraption, they > both manipulate > the sound they are developing, be it programmed or created. If you say > talent, you are much blinded by your own falsifications. > Laptop performance is boring, I've sat through the drowning's of beeps > and > buzzes, but the ingenuity and consumption of ability to manipulate > sound to > their own distinct art is the true performance. Artists with > performance to > their presentation hold a genre of their own. I could never place Emil > Beaulieau in the same category as a laptop artist. His performance > exhaust the > creativity of performance art, where laptop artist lack. rearing back > to the > question should laptop performers risk their art by creating a visual > performance to appease the few bored individuals? I don't think so. > David Fodel 720-280-3179 805 East Chester St. Lafayette, Colorado 80026 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 20:54:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34865-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70177 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:54:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 70166 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:54:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:54:47 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx for many people (especially those unfamiliar with laptop performances) a major barrier is "what are they doing"? Giving a few visual cues helps with this. It doesn't turn bad music into good or make a poor performance a good one, it just opens the door a little wider for those who don't have much experience with this type of music. They still exist, though they're increasingly rare. /sean > hello all, > just running out the door... but i thought i would quickly chime in off > the top of my head.... > i cant respond to every aspect of the discussion. so here goes.... > > > i am not sure why we keep coming back to the whether laptop is a viable > instrument for performance. > its a device that people use to create therefore why should it > neccesitate having to be translated into some grand dramatic gestural > dance? > > and this talk of novelty is very strange. when you go to hear music do > you need see fireworks? interpretive dancers? > > i mean bottom line, to me anyway, its about the sound. the experience > and the space it puts you in. > how the artist is activating the space and your perception. > > if i go to hear a piano recital i don't stare at the piano for an hour. > if i go to hear a dj i don't stare at the record spinning around. > > perhaps another question is: does the act of "watching" music enhance > the act of listening to it? > > > there is my ramble for you :) > have a good weekend.. > richard > > > and if anyone is in the DC area don't forget: > > FREE LIVE EVENTS > William Basinski & Richard Chartier > > FRIDAY MARCH 18 2005, 7:00pm / 9:30 pm > @ G FINE ART > 1515 14th Street NW, Washington, DC > http://www.gfineartdc.com > > G Fine Art is proud to present, in conjunction with its current exhibit > GROUP LOOP, an evening of live performances/diffusions by two of North > America's most well critically acclaimed minimal electronic sound > artists: William Basinski (NY/LA) and Richard Chartier (DC). 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Thu Mar 17 20:52:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34864-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68289 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:52:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 68277 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:52:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <x.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_S1X+b9Efj5aR2HSUHiRKOw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_S1X+b9Efj5aR2HSUHiRKOw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/05 12:41:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx writes: The framing of the event has a lot to do with it's percieved "success". I agree with you I think a lot of problems that I have seen are the fact that laptop performers jump to any performance, I have seen great performances in venues, and horrible performances at bars, not because of the performance in general but because of the atmosphere. I have always perceived that certain genres require certain conditions, a clarinet performance wouldn't go well in a bar setting, so what atmosphere do you feel best for laptop performers...... G --Boundary_(ID_S1X+b9Efj5aR2HSUHiRKOw)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 20:47:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34863-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66063 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:47:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 66053 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:47:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:47:10 +0100 (CET) From: V X <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From Brian Eno Oblique Strategies: "Listen in total darkness, or in a very large room, very quietly ". ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! 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Thu Mar 17 20:41:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34861-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62294 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:41:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 62284 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:41:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:42:49 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 12:42 PM, richard chartier / LINE wrote: > i am not sure why we keep coming back to the whether laptop is a > viable instrument for performance. > its a device that people use to create therefore why should it > neccesitate having to be translated into some grand dramatic gestural > dance? I think the issue surrounds how a performance is framed. A "recital" is different than a "presentation" than a "performance" than a "show". People (audience) bring different expectations to each. i think the problem arises when an artist is not aware or in control of how "whatever it is they do" is represented to the potential audience, by themselves by the promotional team or whoever is in control of the public face of the event. if a laptop performer agrees to play in a club, where typically rock bands, or DJ's play, and ends up on the flyer as "Live PA" or "Performance By", and then just stands behind the laptop and tweaks, I think people (audience) feel dissapointed, or less engaged. This obviously does not apply to all audience members. I guess speaking for myself, I just am less interested these days in going to a"club-type" laptop show, because the listening environment (and since the LISTENING becomes the key factor most of the time) is less than optimal if it is at a club type event. People drinking talking, smoking etc... thats just not conducive to a great listen. When it is at a Museum or a nice hall, then I am into it, because I can sit and enjoy the music. If it's gonna be dance music, then I just dance, does not matter if the person is playing laptop, vinyl or whatever... I know I am generalizing a bit, but I think the base critique is valid. The framing of the event has a lot to do with it's percieved "success". David Fodel 720-280-3179 805 East Chester St. Lafayette, Colorado 80026 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 20:43:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34862-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64390 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:43:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 64380 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:43:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_j9gS2UMy7EeBrj8L479ZYQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_j9gS2UMy7EeBrj8L479ZYQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/05 6:19:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx writes: This seems a very narrow definition of a performance. What if the performance is explicitly related to the intermediality of audio and video? dev when I wrote my rant, I was directing it to the intermediately (the correct spelling) of audio. If video is involved I can justify where performance is needed, an attack on both sense of hearing and seeing. your direct assault is benign, this discussion is to characterize the growing aspect of the limitations a laptop performer faces in front of a crowd. Should laptop be given a place in the field of performance art?, I think so. what difference are present between keyboard performers and laptop performer. They both sit hidden behind a mechanical contraption, they both manipulate the sound they are developing, be it programmed or created. If you say talent, you are much blinded by your own falsifications. Laptop performance is boring, I've sat through the drowning's of beeps and buzzes, but the ingenuity and consumption of ability to manipulate sound to their own distinct art is the true performance. Artists with performance to their presentation hold a genre of their own. I could never place Emil Beaulieau in the same category as a laptop artist. His performance exhaust the creativity of performance art, where laptop artist lack. rearing back to the question should laptop performers risk their art by creating a visual performance to appease the few bored individuals? I don't think so. enjoy G --Boundary_(ID_j9gS2UMy7EeBrj8L479ZYQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 20:34:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34860-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58828 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:34:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 58816 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:34:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:33:24 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006f01c52b30$b52802d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i agree. its like piano players or guitar players, i don't usually (unless i am drunk) attack uninteresting guitar players about their instrument. and there are probably about the same number of laptop players as there are piano players who i want to listen to. the rest are uninteresting not because of the instrument they play or tool they use but because of what they do with it. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard chartier / LINE" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:42 AM Subject: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. > hello all, > just running out the door... but i thought i would quickly chime in off > the top of my head.... > i cant respond to every aspect of the discussion. so here goes.... > > > i am not sure why we keep coming back to the whether laptop is a viable > instrument for performance. > its a device that people use to create therefore why should it > neccesitate having to be translated into some grand dramatic gestural > dance? > > and this talk of novelty is very strange. when you go to hear music do > you need see fireworks? interpretive dancers? > > i mean bottom line, to me anyway, its about the sound. the experience > and the space it puts you in. > how the artist is activating the space and your perception. > > if i go to hear a piano recital i don't stare at the piano for an hour. > if i go to hear a dj i don't stare at the record spinning around. > > perhaps another question is: does the act of "watching" music enhance > the act of listening to it? > > > there is my ramble for you :) > have a good weekend.. > richard > > > and if anyone is in the DC area don't forget: > > FREE LIVE EVENTS > William Basinski & Richard Chartier > > FRIDAY MARCH 18 2005, 7:00pm / 9:30 pm > @ G FINE ART > 1515 14th Street NW, Washington, DC > http://www.gfineartdc.com > > G Fine Art is proud to present, in conjunction with its current exhibit > GROUP LOOP, an evening of live performances/diffusions by two of North > America's most well critically acclaimed minimal electronic sound > artists: William Basinski (NY/LA) and Richard Chartier (DC). Last year > marked the pair's first collaborative work as the cd William Basinski + > Richard Chartier, released in Japan on the highly regarded Spekk > recording label. Both artists recently performed and presented work at > the Redcat/Disney Theatre in Los Angeles for LA Museum of Contemporary > Art's Visual Music: See Hear Now series in conjunction with the > museum's exhibit Visual Music: Synaesthesia in Art and Music Since > 1900. This will be the first performance by William Basinski in > Washington, DC as well as the first full performance by Richard > Chartier in the city in over 3 years. > > Due to limited seating, space must be reserved in advance. > please contact the gallery at: 202.462.1601 for reservations. > > > > > R I C H A R D C H A R T I E R > > http://www.3particles.com > xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx > > <<< > 4xCD . Edition [ LINE, US ] > CD . Set or Performance [ LINE, US ] > CD . Kapotte Muziek [ Korm Plastics, NL ] > > >>> > LIVE . @ G Fine Art with William Basinski ( Washington, DC ) March 18 > CD . Retrieval 1-5 [ ERS, Netherlands ] > 2CD . RE'POST'POSTFABRICATED [ DSP, Italy ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 20:15:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34859-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47688 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:14:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 47677 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:14:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:16:17 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx tons of stuff here: http://www.ucapps.de/ also at STEIM they have something called junXion which runs on Mac OS X, and lets you use any USB device for a MIDI controller. I have used this to preform, using a Game Pad with buttons and joysticks etc... great fun. On Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 11:21 AM, tasty radish wrote: > interesting! Can you share more about what you made? > > On this topic, aside from the Lemur$$ device, what > else has been developed (perhaps on a more re-hack > tip, rather then brand $$ new)? > > Has anyone modified game control devices for use in > music/sound performance, as triggers/multi-mousing/x-y > actions of some kind ? > > -Andrew > >> For some time I have >> been working on custom gestural interfaces for > digital >> noise performance, simply because I feel the >> typewriter-style keyboard and the piano-style > keyboard >> to be very limiting and over-coded controllers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thu Mar 17 19:42:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34858-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30887 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 30871 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:42:29 -0500 From: richard chartier / LINE <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] laptop as a performance device. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CvqVTTxqy+PAh9Pr6fmLlg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-IronPort-AV: i="3.91,98,1110171600"; d="scan'208"; a="13710978:sNHT42767076" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_CvqVTTxqy+PAh9Pr6fmLlg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello all, just running out the door... but i thought i would quickly chime in off the top of my head.... i cant respond to every aspect of the discussion. so here goes.... i am not sure why we keep coming back to the whether laptop is a viable instrument for performance. its a device that people use to create therefore why should it neccesitate having to be translated into some grand dramatic gestural dance? and this talk of novelty is very strange. when you go to hear music do you need see fireworks? interpretive dancers? i mean bottom line, to me anyway, its about the sound. the experience and the space it puts you in. how the artist is activating the space and your perception. if i go to hear a piano recital i don't stare at the piano for an hour. if i go to hear a dj i don't stare at the record spinning around. perhaps another question is: does the act of "watching" music enhance the act of listening to it? there is my ramble for you :) have a good weekend.. richard and if anyone is in the DC area don't forget: FREE LIVE EVENTS William Basinski & Richard Chartier FRIDAY MARCH 18 2005, 7:00pm / 9:30 pm @ G FINE ART 1515 14th Street NW, Washington, DC http://www.gfineartdc.com G Fine Art is proud to present, in conjunction with its current exhibit GROUP LOOP, an evening of live performances/diffusions by two of North America's most well critically acclaimed minimal electronic sound artists: William Basinski (NY/LA) and Richard Chartier (DC). Last year marked the pair's first collaborative work as the cd William Basinski + Richard Chartier, released in Japan on the highly regarded Spekk recording label. Both artists recently performed and presented work at the Redcat/Disney Theatre in Los Angeles for LA Museum of Contemporary Art's Visual Music: See Hear Now series in conjunction with the museum's exhibit Visual Music: Synaesthesia in Art and Music Since 1900. This will be the first performance by William Basinski in Washington, DC as well as the first full performance by Richard Chartier in the city in over 3 years. Due to limited seating, space must be reserved in advance. please contact the gallery at: 202.462.1601 for reservations. R I C H A R D C H A R T I E R http://www.3particles.com xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx <<< 4xCD . Edition [ LINE, US ] CD . Set or Performance [ LINE, US ] CD . Kapotte Muziek [ Korm Plastics, NL ] >>> LIVE . @ G Fine Art with William Basinski ( Washington, DC ) March 18 CD . Retrieval 1-5 [ ERS, Netherlands ] 2CD . RE'POST'POSTFABRICATED [ DSP, Italy ] --Boundary_(ID_CvqVTTxqy+PAh9Pr6fmLlg)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 19:42:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34857-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29855 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:41:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 29845 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:41:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Its definitely not a new dev't in laptop performance, but a wacom tablet is a very useful (albeit sort of dorky-looking) gestural device for performance. Much better than a game controller for communicating the connection betw action and sound, imo. parameters include: x y x tilt y tilt pressure proximity button (including the eraser-end) some of the expensive tablets have other params but I have a cheap one. i've found that the combination of x/y and tilt gives the audience (and other non-laptop musicians with whom you might be playing) a very clear indication of what's going on - ie, they see the pen move and the sound changes. I give a good deal of thought to which parameters of the sound I want the tablet to control, but if I choose well it only takes one or two simple gestures for people to get the idea. After that, there's a much clearer connection for them and they tend to be more engaged. Be forewarned -- playing the wacom takes practice. It can be hard to manage the exact x/y location of the pen (tilt is *really* fscking hard), so I generally use a fretboard-type approach to make it slightly easier. There are drivers available for many systems including max/msp and supercollider (and others, i'd assume). you can pick up a wacom for pretty cheap on ebay. new you can find them for around $100. be sure to get an extra pen, though, b/c you're bound to misplace your pen 5 minutes before your performance and if you don't have a backup you're sunk. hth /sean > interesting! Can you share more about what you made? > > On this topic, aside from the Lemur$$ device, what > else has been developed (perhaps on a more re-hack > tip, rather then brand $$ new)? > > Has anyone modified game control devices for use in > music/sound performance, as triggers/multi-mousing/x-y > actions of some kind ? > > -Andrew > >>For some time I have >>been working on custom gestural interfaces for > digital >>noise performance, simply because I feel the >>typewriter-style keyboard and the piano-style > keyboard >>to be very limiting and over-coded controllers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thu Mar 17 19:21:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34856-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23573 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:21:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 23561 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:21:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:21:25 -0500 From: xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx@xxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sQPgUHlOBUiGh8I/O1t7lA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.193 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_sQPgUHlOBUiGh8I/O1t7lA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, one way to change the conditions of labor is to use some of its aspects for creative work, in a way to take back some of our own time for creative work by using the very things that we accociate with alienated labor. To address the notions which were off topic but which we both touched on, I was not suggesting anything close to a kind of Futurist, shocking art. I was referring to that art which borrows safely from dangerous images or concepts without personal risk, and does in fact become, if not an intellectual exercise, then at least an entertainment that can easily get lost in our sea of entertainment. By shock I mean to challenge an audience authentically as much as artistically into new ways of looking at their world which, I'm sure would be shocking to some. In that light, "lumpen consumerism" can be countered; people are not sheep, passively subject to an evil system. Willing to be suprised and changed by art, open to new uses for daily tools like the laptop, means being willing to take responsibility for our system and try to subvert it. Mike Wood -----Original Message----- From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:50:05 -0600 Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device Well, there was a lot more to the performance than that, but I don't want to get into everything as it isn't necessarily directly relevant to the list. The performance itself was a 15 minute piece of improvised music and the MUSIC was intended to be interesting in itself. This was not in any way a mere intellectual exercise, it was primarily a piece of music that you would have to hear to judge as successful or not. The primary risk in the piece was, in the end, musical failure. However, since I needed to use a laptop to perform the piece, I decided to "frame" the piece with a theatrical element, as opposed to just setting up the laptop and playing. Primarily, I brought it up because I wanted to make the simple point that you can "frame" the use of the laptop in different ways, and that trying to emulate traditional performances is not the only option for successful laptop performance. Interestingly, although the guns were toys, the performers with guns (both female) actually experienced a degree of physical discomfort in their roles. Some people are very sensitive to manifestations of violence... especially females in a culture of dominated by male violence. Just participating was a very high degree of risk for one of the performers, due to previous life experiences. On the other hand, putting real bullets in a gun, is in my opinion, crossing an inappropriate boundary and personally would be unaccaptable. It crosses the line towards the possibility of a suicidal or fascist nihilism, which is always a danger in fringe and extreme types of artistic practices (as seen in futurism and some manifestations of industrial music). Also "lumpen consumerism" has a rather condescending connotation that bothers me, and I don't necessarily think that art can "shock" people into new experience, there is a phallocentric violence inherent in that notion, like, "Ooh we are really gonna F!$& the audience tonight, we're gonna F!$& them out of their miserable middle class complacency!" My intentions are more along the lines of providing multiple avenues for understanding and experiencing a performance, than just trying to "shake people up" - again, this has a mildly violent connotation, putting the artist in an aggresive role while the audience have something done TO them. Finally, yes art always implies an element of escapism, there is no escaping that fact. This escapism isn't entirely bad per se, since it is also a line of flight from the miserable and banal existence imposed on us by the conditions of the marketplace. But this escapism can be balanced with elements and forces that simultaneously counter illusion, opening up a space for thoughts such as, "Why are the rest of our lives our so dull in comparison with these aesthetic moments?" If the conditions of existence were not dominated by alienated labor, would the laptop still be an "icon of labor", or would it represent something else in the public imagination? How can conditions of labor be transformed into conditions of play and joyful creative work? ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx 03/17/05 11:35AM >>> I agree that people need to be shaken from thier lumpen consumerism to explore what art can do, to explore the ways it can shock one into new ways of thinking or articulating their own experience, but the example that you use is lacking one major component--risk. I'm assuming there were no bullets in the gun, and the gunman was not a stranger that you had to entertain or be shot. And isn't "The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war." also a form of "escapist mysticism?" The ideas behind the project seem more interesting than the performance, and if art won't shake people up if it is no more than an arcane intellectual construct that a certain few are to "get" and the rest can go watch "Fear Factor." Labor is not about Marx and guerilla theater but finding ways for people outside the clubs and off campus to hear and be open to art. -----Original Message----- From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:24:18 -0600 Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device Ok, first off, to answer another poster's point, it's true that laptops are not very interesting anymore from the viewpoint of novelty. However, I highly doubt that is why people use them. They are used because they are simply the best tool for achieving certain things, and because people can afford them where they can't necessarily afford the hardware to accomplish similar aesthetic goals. More interestingly, why this irrational fear of labor? The fact that laptops are icons of labor is POSITIVE as far as I'm concerned. The fact could be exploited to demystify the musical/artistic process. Art IS work - although not necessarily labor, which is a term associated with alienation of a worker from their own activity when they are working solely to earn income, with no investment or enjoyment of the work activity itself, as in Marx's Economic and Philosophical manuscripts of 1844 (the concept is also used by Hannah Arendt and Erich Fromm, among others). Perhaps people would prefer not to dwell, especially in their "leisure" time, on the fact that our society is founded on alienated labor. They would prefer their entertainment be escapist mysticism. One could speculate that audiences these days could use a good dose of "alienation" in the Brechtian sense, by being exposed to performances that undermine the romantic mythology of the performing arts and the performer as some kind of supernatural being channeling divine forces. I did a laptop+bassoon performance where I tried to exploit the idea of laptop/labor, by pushing the idea even further. I was led into the performance, and forced to set up and perform on my laptop, at gunpoint - as was the bassoon player. The bassoon player also set up the bassoon in very deliberate, methodical manner, in an attempt to show a connection between the two kinds of machines, bassoon and laptop, as both are very much technological forms, and tools. Bassoons don't grow on trees any more than laptops do! The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war. I think much more elaborate performances could be created based on these types of premises. To sum up, I think there are millions of ways to use the laptop, and we should not fear them as icons of labor, nor should we be concerned about a departure from the supposedly venerable tradition of the performing arts. Instead we should exploit their unique characteristics (including cultural associations) and find creative ways to successfully present laptop performances. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/16/05 06:51PM >>> >It seems the limitations of laptop performance come from two directions. >One is that the laptop is an icon of labour. I work on a computer >interface most days. When I get home, I often find it difficult to >"re-see" my laptop as a a creative environment. THANK you. exACTly. this is why i keep my music off the computer for the most part. i only use it to process sounds or do complex edits impossible otherwise. >The second is the expectation of the performative. An expectation that >has been discussed previously by Cascone. yes, even though i know it's possible to make a great sound without moving a muscle, i still expect and desire to see/hear cause and effect in a performance. if the music's good wnough i can get over it, but usually there's some kind of visuals going on too. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_sQPgUHlOBUiGh8I/O1t7lA)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 18:47:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34855-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9622 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:47:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 9612 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:47:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:50:05 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, there was a lot more to the performance than that, but I don't want to get into everything as it isn't necessarily directly relevant to the list. The performance itself was a 15 minute piece of improvised music and the MUSIC was intended to be interesting in itself. This was not in any way a mere intellectual exercise, it was primarily a piece of music that you would have to hear to judge as successful or not. The primary risk in the piece was, in the end, musical failure. However, since I needed to use a laptop to perform the piece, I decided to "frame" the piece with a theatrical element, as opposed to just setting up the laptop and playing. Primarily, I brought it up because I wanted to make the simple point that you can "frame" the use of the laptop in different ways, and that trying to emulate traditional performances is not the only option for successful laptop performance. Interestingly, although the guns were toys, the performers with guns (both female) actually experienced a degree of physical discomfort in their roles. Some people are very sensitive to manifestations of violence... especially females in a culture of dominated by male violence. Just participating was a very high degree of risk for one of the performers, due to previous life experiences. On the other hand, putting real bullets in a gun, is in my opinion, crossing an inappropriate boundary and personally would be unaccaptable. It crosses the line towards the possibility of a suicidal or fascist nihilism, which is always a danger in fringe and extreme types of artistic practices (as seen in futurism and some manifestations of industrial music). Also "lumpen consumerism" has a rather condescending connotation that bothers me, and I don't necessarily think that art can "shock" people into new experience, there is a phallocentric violence inherent in that notion, like, "Ooh we are really gonna F!$& the audience tonight, we're gonna F!$& them out of their miserable middle class complacency!" My intentions are more along the lines of providing multiple avenues for understanding and experiencing a performance, than just trying to "shake people up" - again, this has a mildly violent connotation, putting the artist in an aggresive role while the audience have something done TO them. Finally, yes art always implies an element of escapism, there is no escaping that fact. This escapism isn't entirely bad per se, since it is also a line of flight from the miserable and banal existence imposed on us by the conditions of the marketplace. But this escapism can be balanced with elements and forces that simultaneously counter illusion, opening up a space for thoughts such as, "Why are the rest of our lives our so dull in comparison with these aesthetic moments?" If the conditions of existence were not dominated by alienated labor, would the laptop still be an "icon of labor", or would it represent something else in the public imagination? How can conditions of labor be transformed into conditions of play and joyful creative work? ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx 03/17/05 11:35AM >>> I agree that people need to be shaken from thier lumpen consumerism to explore what art can do, to explore the ways it can shock one into new ways of thinking or articulating their own experience, but the example that you use is lacking one major component--risk. I'm assuming there were no bullets in the gun, and the gunman was not a stranger that you had to entertain or be shot. And isn't "The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war." also a form of "escapist mysticism?" The ideas behind the project seem more interesting than the performance, and if art won't shake people up if it is no more than an arcane intellectual construct that a certain few are to "get" and the rest can go watch "Fear Factor." Labor is not about Marx and guerilla theater but finding ways for people outside the clubs and off campus to hear and be open to art. -----Original Message----- From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:24:18 -0600 Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device Ok, first off, to answer another poster's point, it's true that laptops are not very interesting anymore from the viewpoint of novelty. However, I highly doubt that is why people use them. They are used because they are simply the best tool for achieving certain things, and because people can afford them where they can't necessarily afford the hardware to accomplish similar aesthetic goals. More interestingly, why this irrational fear of labor? The fact that laptops are icons of labor is POSITIVE as far as I'm concerned. The fact could be exploited to demystify the musical/artistic process. Art IS work - although not necessarily labor, which is a term associated with alienation of a worker from their own activity when they are working solely to earn income, with no investment or enjoyment of the work activity itself, as in Marx's Economic and Philosophical manuscripts of 1844 (the concept is also used by Hannah Arendt and Erich Fromm, among others). Perhaps people would prefer not to dwell, especially in their "leisure" time, on the fact that our society is founded on alienated labor. They would prefer their entertainment be escapist mysticism. One could speculate that audiences these days could use a good dose of "alienation" in the Brechtian sense, by being exposed to performances that undermine the romantic mythology of the performing arts and the performer as some kind of supernatural being channeling divine forces. I did a laptop+bassoon performance where I tried to exploit the idea of laptop/labor, by pushing the idea even further. I was led into the performance, and forced to set up and perform on my laptop, at gunpoint - as was the bassoon player. The bassoon player also set up the bassoon in very deliberate, methodical manner, in an attempt to show a connection between the two kinds of machines, bassoon and laptop, as both are very much technological forms, and tools. Bassoons don't grow on trees any more than laptops do! The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war. I think much more elaborate performances could be created based on these types of premises. To sum up, I think there are millions of ways to use the laptop, and we should not fear them as icons of labor, nor should we be concerned about a departure from the supposedly venerable tradition of the performing arts. Instead we should exploit their unique characteristics (including cultural associations) and find creative ways to successfully present laptop performances. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/16/05 06:51PM >>> >It seems the limitations of laptop performance come from two directions. >One is that the laptop is an icon of labour. I work on a computer >interface most days. When I get home, I often find it difficult to >"re-see" my laptop as a a creative environment. THANK you. exACTly. this is why i keep my music off the computer for the most part. i only use it to process sounds or do complex edits impossible otherwise. >The second is the expectation of the performative. An expectation that >has been discussed previously by Cascone. yes, even though i know it's possible to make a great sound without moving a muscle, i still expect and desire to see/hear cause and effect in a performance. if the music's good wnough i can get over it, but usually there's some kind of visuals going on too. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 18:21:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34854-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96927 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 96915 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0CyZ8w2vgLC/T/PRioqoQEZtFs6joownpuSdSfp59zL6kaKKNZmV2QCAVItdSOy+Iur0bqK/NBHT8msSYLxAq02gaXVj3M5O75uoHuuiUzKByOgsq3UjMx9WNxTt/Gj1wJrE3bdDDdvxsO7rr/cfOEyh2TStROrRZjl6qW+Xl3E= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx interesting! Can you share more about what you made? On this topic, aside from the Lemur$$ device, what else has been developed (perhaps on a more re-hack tip, rather then brand $$ new)? Has anyone modified game control devices for use in music/sound performance, as triggers/multi-mousing/x-y actions of some kind ? -Andrew >For some time I have >been working on custom gestural interfaces for digital >noise performance, simply because I feel the >typewriter-style keyboard and the piano-style keyboard >to be very limiting and over-coded controllers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 18:20:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34853-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95791 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:20:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 95780 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:20:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:20:26 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 18:25:39.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[B868DB20:01C52B1E] It drives me crazy that popular music has actually become consumerist music. I think we should change the name. Pop music used to carry an entirely different connotation... I prefer to think of it as useful music for the community and 'popular' activity that brings society together over class boundaries. It was never the Popular Music that garnered a need for money, it used to be the other way around; 'Art Music' is where the big bucks were, especially in opera and theatre. Maybe if Capitialism is considered a popular activity that is pragmatically useful, the actualization of today's Pop Music makes sense (not to me, but probably to the 'Popular Majority'). Everything about Popular Music has become appropriated by the manipulation machine of the Music Industry. The elements of Pop Music are much more interesting to me than the categorization of it being Pop. On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Peter Price wrote: > > If the word "pop" is problematic it is perhaps because you are using > it problematically. Why can't we just agree that "pop" is short for > "popular" ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 18:09:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34852-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88631 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:09:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 88620 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:09:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:09:26 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 18:14:41.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[3079ECF0:01C52B1D] It strikes me that when the lid is up and you cannot see the player, a piano is no different than a laptop. An organ performance in a cathedral where the console isn't even viewable without turning completely around or straining your neck, or the absent presence of vocal sources in theatre works or churchsong. There are many historical precedents for the problem of acousmatic music. Meanwhile, the influence of John Cage's work specifically does the opposite thing, creating an experience through interpenetration; a graying awareness and attention that obscures the performer/source in similar ways. I've witnessed and been part of many 'laptop' performances where the quality of performance is very high, and the tools are transparent. At the same time, I've seen tables full of gear with stoic performers lost in the observation of what they do, replacing their performance 'aura' with cheats like visuals. While it's an art form which speaks to social situations, the art itself is increasingly individual in presentation and performance. Once again the lines between composer and performer are blurred, and for that I am grateful! I think the problem of visibility and quality of performance is much older, not initiated by electronic music (acousmatic, laptop, whathaveyou), however nicely exacerbated by it. A boring performer is a boring performer, it will be very difficult to get the audience to adjust to something that has developed through the course of human nature; perhaps this is a need for semiotic cues to help interpret an event or experience. matt craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 17:36:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34851-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67138 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 67127 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:35:52 -0500 From: xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx@xxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_C/9wtOomlJiPVIEd76Vk3A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.218 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_C/9wtOomlJiPVIEd76Vk3A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that people need to be shaken from thier lumpen consumerism to explore what art can do, to explore the ways it can shock one into new ways of thinking or articulating their own experience, but the example that you use is lacking one major component--risk. I'm assuming there were no bullets in the gun, and the gunman was not a stranger that you had to entertain or be shot. And isn't "The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war." also a form of "escapist mysticism?" The ideas behind the project seem more interesting than the performance, and if art won't shake people up if it is no more than an arcane intellectual construct that a certain few are to "get" and the rest can go watch "Fear Factor." Labor is not about Marx and guerilla theater but finding ways for people outside the clubs and off campus to hear and be open to art. -----Original Message----- From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:24:18 -0600 Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device Ok, first off, to answer another poster's point, it's true that laptops are not very interesting anymore from the viewpoint of novelty. However, I highly doubt that is why people use them. They are used because they are simply the best tool for achieving certain things, and because people can afford them where they can't necessarily afford the hardware to accomplish similar aesthetic goals. More interestingly, why this irrational fear of labor? The fact that laptops are icons of labor is POSITIVE as far as I'm concerned. The fact could be exploited to demystify the musical/artistic process. Art IS work - although not necessarily labor, which is a term associated with alienation of a worker from their own activity when they are working solely to earn income, with no investment or enjoyment of the work activity itself, as in Marx's Economic and Philosophical manuscripts of 1844 (the concept is also used by Hannah Arendt and Erich Fromm, among others). Perhaps people would prefer not to dwell, especially in their "leisure" time, on the fact that our society is founded on alienated labor. They would prefer their entertainment be escapist mysticism. One could speculate that audiences these days could use a good dose of "alienation" in the Brechtian sense, by being exposed to performances that undermine the romantic mythology of the performing arts and the performer as some kind of supernatural being channeling divine forces. I did a laptop+bassoon performance where I tried to exploit the idea of laptop/labor, by pushing the idea even further. I was led into the performance, and forced to set up and perform on my laptop, at gunpoint - as was the bassoon player. The bassoon player also set up the bassoon in very deliberate, methodical manner, in an attempt to show a connection between the two kinds of machines, bassoon and laptop, as both are very much technological forms, and tools. Bassoons don't grow on trees any more than laptops do! The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war. I think much more elaborate performances could be created based on these types of premises. To sum up, I think there are millions of ways to use the laptop, and we should not fear them as icons of labor, nor should we be concerned about a departure from the supposedly venerable tradition of the performing arts. Instead we should exploit their unique characteristics (including cultural associations) and find creative ways to successfully present laptop performances. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/16/05 06:51PM >>> >It seems the limitations of laptop performance come from two directions. >One is that the laptop is an icon of labour. I work on a computer >interface most days. When I get home, I often find it difficult to >"re-see" my laptop as a a creative environment. THANK you. exACTly. this is why i keep my music off the computer for the most part. i only use it to process sounds or do complex edits impossible otherwise. >The second is the expectation of the performative. An expectation that >has been discussed previously by Cascone. yes, even though i know it's possible to make a great sound without moving a muscle, i still expect and desire to see/hear cause and effect in a performance. if the music's good wnough i can get over it, but usually there's some kind of visuals going on too. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_C/9wtOomlJiPVIEd76Vk3A)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 17:22:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34850-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52624 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:22:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 52612 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:22:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:24:18 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ok, first off, to answer another poster's point, it's true that laptops are not very interesting anymore from the viewpoint of novelty. However, I highly doubt that is why people use them. They are used because they are simply the best tool for achieving certain things, and because people can afford them where they can't necessarily afford the hardware to accomplish similar aesthetic goals. More interestingly, why this irrational fear of labor? The fact that laptops are icons of labor is POSITIVE as far as I'm concerned. The fact could be exploited to demystify the musical/artistic process. Art IS work - although not necessarily labor, which is a term associated with alienation of a worker from their own activity when they are working solely to earn income, with no investment or enjoyment of the work activity itself, as in Marx's Economic and Philosophical manuscripts of 1844 (the concept is also used by Hannah Arendt and Erich Fromm, among others). Perhaps people would prefer not to dwell, especially in their "leisure" time, on the fact that our society is founded on alienated labor. They would prefer their entertainment be escapist mysticism. One could speculate that audiences these days could use a good dose of "alienation" in the Brechtian sense, by being exposed to performances that undermine the romantic mythology of the performing arts and the performer as some kind of supernatural being channeling divine forces. I did a laptop+bassoon performance where I tried to exploit the idea of laptop/labor, by pushing the idea even further. I was led into the performance, and forced to set up and perform on my laptop, at gunpoint - as was the bassoon player. The bassoon player also set up the bassoon in very deliberate, methodical manner, in an attempt to show a connection between the two kinds of machines, bassoon and laptop, as both are very much technological forms, and tools. Bassoons don't grow on trees any more than laptops do! The guns, besides providing a slight novelty from the audience point of view, were intended to call into question the supposed freedom of the artist and the conditions under which artistic activities take place, including the overall social context in a time of war. I think much more elaborate performances could be created based on these types of premises. To sum up, I think there are millions of ways to use the laptop, and we should not fear them as icons of labor, nor should we be concerned about a departure from the supposedly venerable tradition of the performing arts. Instead we should exploit their unique characteristics (including cultural associations) and find creative ways to successfully present laptop performances. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/16/05 06:51PM >>> >It seems the limitations of laptop performance come from two directions. >One is that the laptop is an icon of labour. I work on a computer >interface most days. When I get home, I often find it difficult to >"re-see" my laptop as a a creative environment. THANK you. exACTly. this is why i keep my music off the computer for the most part. i only use it to process sounds or do complex edits impossible otherwise. >The second is the expectation of the performative. An expectation that >has been discussed previously by Cascone. yes, even though i know it's possible to make a great sound without moving a muscle, i still expect and desire to see/hear cause and effect in a performance. if the music's good wnough i can get over it, but usually there's some kind of visuals going on too. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 16:48:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34849-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36383 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:48:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 36373 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:48:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks derek! [I prefer to make long-ish recordings that encompass a confluence of evolving sounds: an implicit duration. But, I want to avoid making more (art) products: I have too many items in my attic as it is. Hence the ongoing web-stream: which I listen to regularly. I'm liking the idea of offering 'make-your-own' mp3s as podcasts.] (o) 10 sec starting now (o) 60 sec starting now (o) 90 sec starting now /:b On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, derek holzer wrote: > Hi Brad, > > a less technical and more philospohical answer, just to warn you ;-) > > In devil's advocate brevity: how necessary is webstreaming anymore? > > One thing that I saw as a possible advantage of "Podcastimg" over > streaming is in some ways the compromise between the live and the > archived. I can't remember the last time I sychronized my watch in order > to catch a webstream live form some place or another, but I CAN count > how many times I've looked back at my Inbox and gone "damn! I can't > beleive I missed Patrick McGinley's show on Resonance (again and again > and again and again...). In such a case, a podcast might be much more > preferable to a live stream. > > I also recall the days of doing net.radio in Prague, where the average > nightly listenership was between 0 and 3, but we would get lots of > people hitting the archives over the next week or so. > > A "podcast" still has a "live" enough feel because you just found out > about it, but you still don't need to be "right there" to catch it. The > compromise of course is that with a "podcast" you don't have that > possibility of live interaction via chat or simply by > streaming/uploading something back to the sender to contribute in that > moment. > > I do wonder about the need for much of what is streamed live to really > be live unless the "audience" can cease to be that and instead be > participant. Without that "media without an audience" kind of feeling, > most webstreams just imitate one-to-many broadcast-model media such as > radio or TV. At their best, however, they might show an inimate > connection between two people, such as Michael Mandiberg and Julia > Steinmetz's INnetwork project: > > http://turbulence.org/Works/innetwork > > "I broadcast, therefore I am" > derek > > > { brad brace } wrote: > > 1. Lovely! > > > > 2. Would it be possible to serve-up a variety of lengths for > > (somewhat random) podcasts from the mp3-stream? ie., the > > listener might choose between a number of buttons > > indicating the size of download 'for the moment.' > > > > /:b > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Aaron Ximm wrote: > > > > > >>Two comments on podcasting: > >> > >>1. I just created one for the One-Minute Vacation page on my site. > >> > >>A new 60 sec unedited field recordings from submitters like you every > >>Monday. Participation is encouraged. > >> > >>Project home: > >> http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.html > >> > >>New (beta) podcast: > >> http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.xml > >> > >>2. Re Brad's question... > >> > >> > >>>Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:49 -0800 (PST) > >>>From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > >>> > >>>Is it possible to podcast mp3-streams? > >>>Can this be done with rss-2 by somehow attaching the > >>>streamed-audio-url? (http://63.170.215.11:8000 ) > >> > >>Seems unlikely? If it's a non-terminating stream, how would the aggregator > >>know when to stop capturing...? > >> > >>The RSS <enclosure> tag that AFAIK "drives" podcasting has a length > >>argument in it; the RSS2 specs I could find say that length is mandatory, > >>but who knows if it's cross-referenced or used for sanity checking by > >>aggregators though... eg Firefox's "Sage" extension for RSS feeds ignores > >>the tag entirely, which means you don't get the MP3s! > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 16:32:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34848-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27126 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:32:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 27115 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:32:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:40:29 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Brad, a less technical and more philospohical answer, just to warn you ;-) In devil's advocate brevity: how necessary is webstreaming anymore? One thing that I saw as a possible advantage of "Podcastimg" over streaming is in some ways the compromise between the live and the archived. I can't remember the last time I sychronized my watch in order to catch a webstream live form some place or another, but I CAN count how many times I've looked back at my Inbox and gone "damn! I can't beleive I missed Patrick McGinley's show on Resonance (again and again and again and again...). In such a case, a podcast might be much more preferable to a live stream. I also recall the days of doing net.radio in Prague, where the average nightly listenership was between 0 and 3, but we would get lots of people hitting the archives over the next week or so. A "podcast" still has a "live" enough feel because you just found out about it, but you still don't need to be "right there" to catch it. The compromise of course is that with a "podcast" you don't have that possibility of live interaction via chat or simply by streaming/uploading something back to the sender to contribute in that moment. I do wonder about the need for much of what is streamed live to really be live unless the "audience" can cease to be that and instead be participant. Without that "media without an audience" kind of feeling, most webstreams just imitate one-to-many broadcast-model media such as radio or TV. At their best, however, they might show an inimate connection between two people, such as Michael Mandiberg and Julia Steinmetz's INnetwork project: http://turbulence.org/Works/innetwork "I broadcast, therefore I am" derek { brad brace } wrote: > 1. Lovely! > > 2. Would it be possible to serve-up a variety of lengths for > (somewhat random) podcasts from the mp3-stream? ie., the > listener might choose between a number of buttons > indicating the size of download 'for the moment.' > > /:b > > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Aaron Ximm wrote: > > >>Two comments on podcasting: >> >>1. I just created one for the One-Minute Vacation page on my site. >> >>A new 60 sec unedited field recordings from submitters like you every >>Monday. Participation is encouraged. >> >>Project home: >> http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.html >> >>New (beta) podcast: >> http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.xml >> >>2. Re Brad's question... >> >> >>>Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:49 -0800 (PST) >>>From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> >>> >>>Is it possible to podcast mp3-streams? >>>Can this be done with rss-2 by somehow attaching the >>>streamed-audio-url? (http://63.170.215.11:8000 ) >> >>Seems unlikely? If it's a non-terminating stream, how would the aggregator >>know when to stop capturing...? >> >>The RSS <enclosure> tag that AFAIK "drives" podcasting has a length >>argument in it; the RSS2 specs I could find say that length is mandatory, >>but who knows if it's cross-referenced or used for sanity checking by >>aggregators though... eg Firefox's "Sage" extension for RSS feeds ignores >>the tag entirely, which means you don't get the MP3s! >> >> best, >> aaron >> >> xxxxx@xxxx.xxx >> http://www.quietamerican.org >> >> | quod omne animal post | >> | cogitum est triste... | > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 158: "Think of the radio" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 16:11:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34847-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17258 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:11:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 17248 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:11:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 1. Lovely! 2. Would it be possible to serve-up a variety of lengths for (somewhat random) podcasts from the mp3-stream? ie., the listener might choose between a number of buttons indicating the size of download 'for the moment.' /:b On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Aaron Ximm wrote: > Two comments on podcasting: > > 1. I just created one for the One-Minute Vacation page on my site. > > A new 60 sec unedited field recordings from submitters like you every > Monday. Participation is encouraged. > > Project home: > http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.html > > New (beta) podcast: > http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.xml > > 2. Re Brad's question... > > > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:49 -0800 (PST) > > From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > > > > Is it possible to podcast mp3-streams? > > Can this be done with rss-2 by somehow attaching the > > streamed-audio-url? (http://63.170.215.11:8000 ) > > Seems unlikely? If it's a non-terminating stream, how would the aggregator > know when to stop capturing...? > > The RSS <enclosure> tag that AFAIK "drives" podcasting has a length > argument in it; the RSS2 specs I could find say that length is mandatory, > but who knows if it's cross-referenced or used for sanity checking by > aggregators though... eg Firefox's "Sage" extension for RSS feeds ignores > the tag entirely, which means you don't get the MP3s! > > best, > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 10:29:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34846-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7700 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:29:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 7689 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:29:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:29:40 +0000 From: Richard Whitelaw <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] FW: a call for papers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xxx-xxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxx-xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5F0C94.4B64%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Call for working/finished papers in the area of Sonic Arts / experimental sound art / electroacoustic workings - for presentation at a symposium session forming part of the CyberSonica 05 event at The Dana Centre, London, 27th-29th April 2005 Symposium session: provisionally scheduled for Friday afternoon 29th April 2005 Talks should last approx 20 mins, and can be supported by demo or other visual/sonic material. The scope is not restrictive or limited, and the theme will evolve according to submissions. Papers particularly welcome are those that are: innovative, analytical, thought-provoking, creatively engaging, challenging, idea-fresh, and multidisciplinary cross pollinating. Topic areas might range from 'real world/digital crossover', 'artist/audience roles', 'theories of composition/experimentation', 'sensors/system sound creation', 'synaesthesia', 'emotional/health impact of sound', 'collaborative art', 'can real art be fun ?', 'what is interactivity', and lots of others too. Submissions from artists, research students and academics welcome. The intention is to publish written versions of the papers presented. In the first instance, please send a brief synopsis (no more than 200 words) of your ideas for a talk, and a short biog/cv to: xxxxx@xxx.xx.xx Final Deadline: to be received by email Wed 23rd March 2005 (early submissions recommended). Dr Dave Lawrence Middlesex University Trent Park London UK http://www.danacentre.org.uk http://www.cybersonica.org/ (at moment though, this link shows last years event. This year, the focus is on sonic/digital art, and will include artist participation from Futuresonic, Soundtoys, and others) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 04:05:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34845-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15594 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:05:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 15584 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:05:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:05:31 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dev wrote: "Well, reactionary in the sense that I am in fact reacting. Reacting to witnessing a lot of so-so laptop performance (including my own). I suppose ones sense of novelty is subjective. I am way over being excited by what software someone is using. I do however love interesting and challenging music, concepts, ideas, visual art, etc. I am just not sure that all of those things always make for good performance." Yep it bothers me too. I'm wondering what to do about it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 03:12:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34844-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96201 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:12:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 96191 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:12:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:14:13 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_E6xxl39F/cW920n12wfCZw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_E6xxl39F/cW920n12wfCZw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 07:48 PM, Noel Peters wrote: > This seems reactionary to me. Perhaps the novelty is still there. It > just has low value, or perhaps as a second order response, the value is > travelling into the -ve right now. When the novelty goes altogether the > laptop icon might become transparent and the content might become the > focus rather than the method. Well, reactionary in the sense that I am in fact reacting. Reacting to witnessing a lot of so-so laptop performance (including my own). I suppose ones sense of novelty is subjective. I am way over being excited by what software someone is using. I do however love interesting and challenging music, concepts, ideas, visual art, etc. I am just not sure that all of those things always make for good performance. CommTom Communications of Tomorrow "it's only a day away" unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. http://www.commtom.com --Boundary_(ID_E6xxl39F/cW920n12wfCZw)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 02:48:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34843-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88728 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:48:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 88715 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:48:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:48:19 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Noel Peters Safety & Environment Manager dev wrote: >The days of the novelty value of someone getting up in front of people >and doing something in real time on their laptop are gone. Good >riddance. This seems reactionary to me. Perhaps the novelty is still there. It just has low value, or perhaps as a second order response, the value is travelling into the -ve right now. When the novelty goes altogether the laptop icon might become transparent and the content might become the focus rather than the method. Noel _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 02:19:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34842-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80034 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:19:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 80022 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:19:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:20:44 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7+CRRNAzUPTIjjxMxvrCOw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_7+CRRNAzUPTIjjxMxvrCOw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Noel Peters wrote: > Is this barrier simply a short term obstacle present until the audience > is able to understand the performative language of the laptop? No. There is no performative language of the laptop. Or more aptly, yes there is a language, but it is only one syllable, and it is misspelled. Unless someone does something performative, then there really is no performance in practical terms. Laptop "performance" is boring period. Just because someone gets up in front of people and does something on their laptop does not mean that the entire history of the performing arts should be re-calibrated to allow for that act to be "good performance". It is a slap in the face to anyone who has honed those performative skills. It is a slap in the face to the audience to blame the lack of engagement in the performance on them (the audience). You either have a good performance or you don't. That definition is broad, and should be explored by anyone who wants to "perform" using a laptop. The days of the novelty value of someone getting up in front of people and doing something in real time on their laptop are gone. Good riddance. xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx wrote: | A performance is about what is felt not what is seen. This seems a very narrow definition of a performance. What if the performance is explicitly related to the intermediality of audio and video? I assume your statement is specific to the genre of audio you are exploring, which is noise, but the concept of noise extends much further than the audio realm. Perhaps an investigation into those areas would be a way to expand the scope of that work, and to bring a much broader field of view to the exploration of noise. Perhaps an investigation into the modalities of performance would inform your writing as well. dev CommTom Communications of Tomorrow "it's only a day away" unique electronic music for the adventurous ear. http://www.commtom.com --Boundary_(ID_7+CRRNAzUPTIjjxMxvrCOw)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 01:37:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34841-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66546 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:37:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 66535 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:37:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Eric b <xxxx_xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Experimental Music Venues in Ireland In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=alarYdwcnkHaqn1miw56RhSKf7IF1BA3/9LAMztR6h6WAzB+OJ8qwboxjnNxLpJliflIPqz2RGr3sc7T4Eym71RwPoiYYznsHJMoiW7Yh8SkOOkrHn4q8ovKwH7IH7EWzkx6/fqHODoRUqegxMPAMe7JZZk4oLIX2h3BZsgwVPo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey everyone! I'll be in Ireland june 2-12th. Looking for some insite into the experimental music scene. If anyone knows of any events or venues in or around Dublin...i would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! -eric -- + eric.bollman www.ericbollman.com xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 00:55:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34840-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52953 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:55:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 52943 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:55:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:55:46 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] (no fun fest) laptop performers To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00f201c52a8c$0f1e01e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <00e201c52a89$0907a7f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx looks like i needed the spell checker first with corrections: > looks like great shows > with good bands and interesting microsound/noise performers > > at a show its definately more interesting to hear and watch hototogetsu > produce a wall of sound than it is someone with a laptop --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 00:52:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34839-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50828 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:51:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 50817 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:51:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:51:51 -0500 From: chthonic streams <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> X-Sender: chthonic%xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p05200f03be5e846d52e4@[64.63.244.196]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >It seems the limitations of laptop performance come from two directions. >One is that the laptop is an icon of labour. I work on a computer >interface most days. When I get home, I often find it difficult to >"re-see" my laptop as a a creative environment. THANK you. exACTly. this is why i keep my music off the computer for the most part. i only use it to process sounds or do complex edits impossible otherwise. >The second is the expectation of the performative. An expectation that >has been discussed previously by Cascone. yes, even though i know it's possible to make a great sound without moving a muscle, i still expect and desire to see/hear cause and effect in a performance. if the music's good wnough i can get over it, but usually there's some kind of visuals going on too. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 00:34:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34838-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46241 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:34:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 46231 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:34:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:33:00 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] (no fun fest) laptop performers To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00e201c52a89$0907a7f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx looks like freat shows with good bands and interesting microsound/noise performers at a show its definately more interesting to hear and watch hototogetsu produce a wall of sound than it is someone with a laptop robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Saunders" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting article in Village Voice (no fun fest) > > I was going to post about this... > > http://www.nofunfest.com > > (note that whitehouse have cancelled) > > is anyone else going? > > I'll have a ton of cd-r's to give away... > > Anthony > > >> On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> >>> http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,stosuy,62088,22.html >>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 00:27:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34837-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42655 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:27:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 42633 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:27:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Two comments on podcasting: 1. I just created one for the One-Minute Vacation page on my site. A new 60 sec unedited field recordings from submitters like you every Monday. Participation is encouraged. Project home: http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.html New (beta) podcast: http://www.quietamerican.org/vacation.xml 2. Re Brad's question... > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:49 -0800 (PST) > From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > > Is it possible to podcast mp3-streams? > Can this be done with rss-2 by somehow attaching the > streamed-audio-url? (http://63.170.215.11:8000 ) Seems unlikely? If it's a non-terminating stream, how would the aggregator know when to stop capturing...? The RSS <enclosure> tag that AFAIK "drives" podcasting has a length argument in it; the RSS2 specs I could find say that length is mandatory, but who knows if it's cross-referenced or used for sanity checking by aggregators though... eg Firefox's "Sage" extension for RSS feeds ignores the tag entirely, which means you don't get the MP3s! best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 17 00:18:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34836-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38603 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:18:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 38591 invoked from network); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:18:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:18:10 +1100 From: Noel Peters <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It seems the limitations of laptop performance come from two directions. One is that the laptop is an icon of labour. I work on a computer interface most days. When I get home, I often find it difficult to "re-see" my laptop as a a creative environment. I'm sure that audiences less attached to the creative process of laptop work find it even more difficult to "suspend the prosaic". The laptop becomes a barrier to release and aesthetic engagement. The second is the expectation of the performative. An expectation that has been discussed previously by Cascone. Oddly, people seem content with watching an electronic musician head down working sliders on a fader, or turning knobs on a synth or controller. The audience has learnt that particular language of performance. (Pop or other I find that argument semantantic.) In my view Kraftwerk has managed to overcome this grey box barrier somewhat successfully by obscuring the interface from the audience. (Are they delaying learning?) Is this barrier simply a short term obstacle present until the audience is able to understand the performative language of the laptop? Or will the laptop as icon of labour permanently prevent it from being a language or syntax of performance? Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 23:46:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34835-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29480 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:46:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 29470 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:46:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:46:03 +0000 From: Juan Gil <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Studies X-Originating-IP: [80.34.102.50] X-Sender: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 23:46:04.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[50E42050:01C52A82] Hello I would like to know if somebody make some idea about interesting graduate courses about music/sound art theory or music and technculture for adquire theoric background in that realm. Thanks JK --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 23:34:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34834-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25287 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:34:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 25276 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:34:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:34:51 +0100 (CET) From: V X <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Creo que no. Pero tambien me parece que no hay que tomar Mil Plateaux como la biblia...alguna opinion acerca de Richard Pinhas? --- skippy random <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> escribió: > Oval, scanner, mouse on mars, DJ Spooky...are these > really the best > examples we have of a potentially Deleuzian music? I > obviously must > have missed something in my reading of Deleuze. > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Peter Price wrote: > > > my initial question....if "pop" is a "minor > literature" what is the > > major literature? > > > > I am reading the linked essay (with some confusion > and dismay)... > > > > more questions to follow... > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 6:30 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > >> Is microsound a form of "pop" music? Before you > answer, see below > >> (maybe some of you have seen this essay before > but I have not). > >> > >> > http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/smithmurphy/ > > >> smithmurphy1.html > >> > >> EXCERPT from the essay's beginning: > >> > >> Of the many forms of expression through which > their thought moves, > >> flowing and multiplying without privilege or > hierarchy, Gilles > >> Deleuze and F*lix Guattari number "pop" among the > most powerful (in > >> the Spinozian sense, of that which affords the > greatest potential for > >> further connection and ramification). In what > might at first seem a > >> wildly inappropriate context—their analysis of > Kafka's production of > >> a "minor literature"—they define "pop" as: > >> > >> An escape for language, for music, for > writing. What we call > >> pop—pop music, pop philosophy, pop > writing—W*rterflucht [word > >> flight]. To make use of the polylingualism of > one's own language, to > >> make a minor or intensive use of it, to oppose > the oppressed quality > >> of this language to its oppressive quality, to > find points of > >> nonculture or underdevelopment, linguistic Third > World zones by which > >> a language can escape, an animal enters into > things, an assemblage > >> comes into play. (Kafka 1986, 26-27) > >> > >> "Pop," then, is for Deleuze and Guattari a form > of multiplicity, a > >> rhizome; indeed, in A Thousand Plateaus they > insist that "RHIZOMATICS > >> = POP ANALYSIS" (A Thousand Plateaus 24).1 The > rhizome, of course, is > >> their well-known image of a decentered system of > points that can > >> connect in any order and without hierarchy, a > term drawn from botany > >> that names a network of stems, like the > strawberry plant, that grows > >> horizontally and discontinuously by sending out > runners. > >> > >> David Powers > >> Secretary > >> DePaul University, School of Education > >> Department of Leadership in Education, Language, > and Human Services > >> 773-325-4806 > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! 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Wed Mar 16 00:23:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34790-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8406 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:22:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 8391 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:22:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:15:55 +0100 From: douglas benford <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] interplay additions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06110402be5e6c43ad5c@[81.151.103.164]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx for those curious, here are the interplay pics from last month http://www.sprawl.org.uk/interplay.html stephan mathieu's url audio again: http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 (30MB) more audio will be played on 25th march on resonance fm at midnight GMT, on our small pieces show. http://www.resonancefm.com all the best -- douglas benford :::: SI-CUT.DB <> sprawl <> tennis partner april sprawl :::::::::::::::::::::::: http://www.sprawl.org.uk new si-cut cd 'from tears'::::: http://www.bip-hop.com/ free track on 'crossways' ::: http://www.thinnerism.com official :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/benford offices vol 1 ::::::::::::::::::::::: http://www.fallt.com/offices/ highpoint lowlife ::::::::::::::::: http://www.highpointlowlife.com <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xx> tel (+44) 208-568-3145, mob 07860-649613 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 23:12:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34833-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10434 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:12:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 10423 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:12:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:12:14 -0500 From: Anthony Saunders <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting article in Village Voice (no fun fest) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was going to post about this... http://www.nofunfest.com (note that whitehouse have cancelled) is anyone else going? I'll have a ton of cd-r's to give away... Anthony > On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,stosuy,62088,22.html >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 23:02:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34832-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6349 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:02:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 6339 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:02:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:06:43 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5E2633.6AE%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well...a laptop's a hell of a lot more practical to lug around. Does that count as 'making the choice in a critical manner' ? ....it seems to me the basis for the paradigm switch is purely practical. A lot of this theorizing seems superfluous...a need to intellectualize a change which has occurred for (in my opinion) quite un-intellectual reasons. I doubt we would be having this discussion if a computer weighed as much as a grand piano. On 3/16/05 1:55 PM, "andrew benson" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > but I wonder how many make > that choice in a critical manner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 22:42:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34831-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98510 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:42:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 98500 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:42:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:42:35 +0100 (CET) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 16/03/2005 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UIBvTxJlwjK6FrC5nxfQ/A)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UIBvTxJlwjK6FrC5nxfQ/A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM - Miércoles/Wednesday 15h - www.circulobellasartes.com Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM - Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h - www.uam.es/ra Escucha en directo a cualquier hora / Listen live real time - www.ondasonoraradio.com CONTENIDOS ONDA SONORA 16/03/2005 01. AXOLOTL Track: Sinthome/emme ya Album: Archons?/Archons! Label: Jyrk Collective Abrimos el programa de esta semana con Axolotl, una banda de origen neoyorkino aunque asentada en la bahía de San Francisco desde hace unos años, desde donde esparcen un noise expansivo construído a través de todo tipo de instrumentos filtrados a través de multitud de efectos y cableados que convierten instrumentos reales y de juguete, voces humanas y grabaciones de campo en drones orgánicos de inspiración psicodélica, cuyos autores (Karl Bauer y William Sabiston) proponen escuchar al más alto volúmen para alcanzar estados de trance en los que el sonido provoque nuevas experiencias sensoriales. Escuchamos una muestra del último trabajo publicado por Axolotl en el sello Jyrk de Portland, desde los Estados Unidos: una colección de 8 improvisaciones editadas en una sola que ronda los 50 minutos de duración Axolotl is a band of NYC origins but settled in San Francisco's Bay, from where they spread an expansible noise built with all kind of instruments filtered through multitude of effects and wires that convert real and toy instruments, human voices and field recordings in organic drones of a psychedelic inspiration whose authors (Karl Bauer and William Sabiston) propose to listen at the highest volume, to reach trance states in which sound causes new sensorial experiences. This is a sample from the last work published by Axolotl in the Jyrk imprint from Portland, in the United States: a collection of 8 improvisations edited into one about 50 minutes long 02. DANIEL MENCHE Track: Drunk Gods Album: Drunk Gods EP Label: Lapilli Continuamos en la costa oeste norteamericana, con la belleza física y salvaje de Drunk Gods, un nuevo EP del artista sonoro con residencia en Oregon Daniel Menche, su segundo disco para el sello londinense Lappilli, dirigido por Scott Taylor, a quien hace poco escuchábamos con su nuevo trabajo recientemente publicado por Con-v. Escucharemos este cd de 3" al completo, a lo largo de sus 20 minutos de duración We continue in the West Coast of North America, with the physical and savage beauty of Drunk Gods, EP by the sound artist with base in Oregon Daniel Menche, his second work for the London label Lapilli, directed by Scott Taylor, whose last record we listened to recently released by Con-v. We will listen to this 3" cd complete, along its 20 minutes of duration 03. SEBASTIEN ROUX Track: Bleston Album: Pillow Label: Apestaartje Después de algunas notables apariciones en compilaciones de varios sellos como 12k, esto que suena es ya el primer larga duración del artista sonoro parisino Sebastien Roux, en el que experimenta con música ambiental, a través de software hecho a medida y exploraciones meditativas de guitarra After some remarkable appearances in compilations by several labels such as 12k, this is already the first LP by Parisian sound artist Sebastien Roux, in which he experiments with ambient sounds, through custom-made software and meditative explorations with guitar 04. MIRROR Track: 1 Album: Nightwalkers Label: Robot Nueva versión remasterizada de Nightwalkers, disco originalmente editado en el año 2000 por Mirror, formación creada durante los últimos años de existencia de HNAS por los alemanes Chritoph Heeman y Andrew Chalk, en ocasiones acompañados por Jim O'Rourke o por el percusionista Andreas Martin, como en este caso. Se trata del proyecto ambient de Heeman, cuyos trabajos está reeditando el sello Robot New remastered version of Nightwalkers, a record originally published in the year 2000 by Mirror, formation created in Germany during the last years of existence of HNAS by Chritoph Heeman and Andrew Chalk, in occasions accompanied by Jim O'Rourke or percusionist Andreas Martin, as in this case. This is the ambient project of Heeman, whose works are being reissued by the Robot label 05. KAFFE MATTHEWS Track: In Search Of A Ban Part I Album: Cd Dd Label: Annetteworks Kaffe Matthews es una artista sonora londinense, que en 1997 creaba Annette Works, sello discográfico y estudio desde el que lanza sus propias grabaciones, improvisaciones electroacúticas basadas en un software auto-diseñado con el que procesa y modela los sonidos originales. Este es su cuarto trabajo, cd dd, procesando en directo material grabado in situ en Italia, Escocia y Bélgica Kaffe Matthews is a London sound artist, who created in 1997 Annette Works, discographic platform and studio from which she releases her own recordings, electroacoutic improvisations based on a self-designed software with which she processes and models the original sounds. This is her fourth work, cd dd, processing live material recorded in situ in Italy, Scotland and Belgium 06. ANDREA NEUMANN Track: ~~ Album: VA Berlin Strings Label: Absinth Kaffe Matthews visita esta semana La Casa Encendida de Madrid junto a la berlinesa Andrea Neumann dentro del ciclo Aventuras Sonoras, así que como en las anteriores ocasiones, ambas actuarán el jueves 17 en solitario y el viernes 18 en colaboración. Junto a los sonidos de Kaffe Matthews escucharemos mezclados los de Andrea Neumann, pianista que explora las posibilidades de su instrumento llegando a reducirlo a su mínima expresión física, empleando posteriormente filtros de origen electrónico para retrabajar y amplificar sus interacciones en una estructura de improvisación-composición. El corte de la alemana procede de una compilación publicada por el sello Absinth que recopila el trabajo de varios exploradores berlineses con instrumentos de cuerda: Berlin Strings Kaffe Matthews visits this week Madrid (La Casa Encendida), together with the Berlinese Andrea Neumann, as part of the cycle Sound Adventures. As in previous occasions, both will act in solitary on Thursday 17 and in collaboration on Friday 18 . Mixed with Kaffe Matthews's sounds we listen blended Andrea Neumann's ones, a pianist that explores the possibilities of her instrument ending by reducing it to its minimum physical expression, later using electronic filters for rework and amplify her interactions in an improvisation-composition structure. The track of the German comes from a compilation published by the Absinth label, gathering the work of several Berlin explorers using string instruments: Berlín Strings 07. NICKENDES PERLGRAS Track: Gorillas In Our Midst Album: Meat Hat Label: Konnex Rec Continuamos en Alemania de la mano de un trío de la saludable escena experimental berlinesa llamado Nickendes Perlgras, formado por tres músicos de formación jazzística: Michael Thieke (clarinete, saxo), Michael Anderson (trompeta) y Eric Schaefer (percusión), este es su segundo trabajo 'Meat Hat', recientemente editado por el sello Konnex, que incluye 16 composiciones de exploración sonora con un acercamiento muy humano We continue in Germany by the hand of a trio from the healthy experimental scene at Berlin, called Nickendes Perlgras. Formed by three musicians of jazz formation: Michael Thieke (clarinet, saxo), Michael Anderson (trumpet) and Eric Schaefer (percussion), this is their second work ' Meat Hat', recently published by the Konnex imprint, including 16 tracks of sound exploration with a very human approach 08. QUINOLINE YELLOW Track: Sealed Album: Dol-goy Assist Label: Skam Durante los últimos minutos de la sesión de Onda Sonora esta semana escuchamos a Luke Williams bajo su sobrenombre Quinoline Yellow, con el que acaba de publicar su debut en largo en el sello de Manchester Skam: Dol-Goy Assist, que sigue la estela marcada por sus cortos predecesores, incluyendo algún clásico programado habitualmente por el difunto John Peel en su programa During the last minutes of Onda Sonora session this week we will listen to Luke Williams, under his nickname Quinoline Yellow, with which has just published his long debut in Manchester's Skam label: Dol-Goy Assist, which follows the trail marked by his shorter predecessors, including a classic track often programmed by the deceased John Peel in his program Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. 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Wed Mar 16 22:26:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34830-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90339 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:26:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 90329 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:26:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:26:17 -0800 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting article in Village Voice In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm reminded of a quote that goes something like: "Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it's a good idea.". No, I jest, noise is great. k:p On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,stosuy,62088,22.html > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 21:51:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34829-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76477 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:51:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 76454 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:51:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:50:14 +1300 From: Simon Kong <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <001201c52a6b$52695830$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Organization: www.obscure.co.nz MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <001201c52a6b$52695830$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey thanks David ' Havn't had a listen yet but will shortly ' Do you use skype ? I'm wanting to talk with people and create some discussion on the show as well. This will help to further extend the creation of connection and community. I'm pleasently surprised that music from Portugal to Pruage share similar ethos and values. This is an exciting example of how there is a global common amoungst people. Despite our misconception of globlization, I believe that we need to take control of our own process. Culture is the most powerful way to retain value in your community. Music is a launguge that expresses culture, while retaining and communicating the unique vaules of your location. I imagine podcasting as a way of staying ahead of the commercial curve. It won't take long, but a the moment the channle .simon David @ Audiobulb wrote: > Simon - check out autistici - www.autistici.com you might like him for > your show + audiobulb www.audiobulb.com - we have some free mp3's :) > > good luck > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Kong" <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p > > >> >> >> Hey . there >> >> I have an answer for you. >> >> Check out www.psurkit.net >> >> I'm doing the Speakeasy show. I'm onto my fifth one. All the >> music I am featuring is free net-label music. >> >> The original brief was Techno. However Due to finding a vast >> amount of really good microsound (and other stuff), I have >> extended my brief and cover basically anything. >> >> It's an amazing exercise. I completely stopped using P2P >> about 6 months ago, and only surf for net-labels now. >> >> The Speakeasy show, is my little way of sharing the vibe, and >> trying to get more people out there, finding and supporting >> these great labels. >> >> I am waiting for someone to kick my ass over playing their >> music, however the way I am reading creative commons licence, >> I think I'm on the right side of intentions.. >> >> I have tried to contact most artist that I feature, the only >> feedback that I have gotten is positive, so far. >> >> So it would be great to field comments on this topic. >> >> >> // >> >> Please note. Psurkit . is on soft launch ' >> >> Hope you enjoy it, get a load of kiwi culture while your at it. >> >> .simon >> >> >> >> derek holzer wrote: >> >>> A couple questions about sound on the net these days: >>> >>> ---Does anybody know of some microsound, sound-art or radio-art >>> related podcasts or audioblogs? The concept seems to me like a huge >>> improvement over the streaming model of net.radio... >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast) >>> >>> ---In general, how do the releasing artists on this list feel about >>> their work being used in podcasts, net.radio shows, etc. Is this >>> different than sharing those same tracks on p2p? Does the potential >>> exposure of the work being available in these ways outweigh the >>> potential loss in hard sales? Keep in mind I mean specifically for >>> experimental, microsound or sound art works which have a very limited >>> "commercial appeal". This isn't meant to be a free-for-all sound-off >>> on what U2 says about peer-to-peer, for example... ;-) >>> >>> best, >>> derek >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 21:46:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34828-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74095 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:46:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 74080 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:46:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:55 -0500 From: Peter Price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2yrvYDz5Ix3mzjBORImHlw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_2yrvYDz5Ix3mzjBORImHlw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This only makes sense to me in a world that has already defined music very narrowly. As of yet, the "corporate music industry" has shown very little interest in "making profit" from anything but an extraordinary small subset of possible music making. To "avoid reterritorialization" is as simple as avoiding the realm of the corporate music industries narrow, simpleminded interests. If the word "pop" is problematic it is perhaps because you are using it problematically. Why can't we just agree that "pop" is short for "popular" ;) On Mar 16, 2005, at 2:27 PM, David Powers wrote: > How about this... every form of pop music (not to mention musical > instrument/interface) has an immanent > becoming-punk/becoming-noise/becoming-molecular where it takes flight > from the standardized coordinates of the hit song. At the same time, > these deterritorialized musics are always in danger of being > reterritorialized and recouped by the corporate music industry, which > is constantly seeking out new musical frontiers to colonize in the > hopes of making new profits. > > And perhaps it is not the musical properties per se that enable or > resist this reterritorialization, but instead the relations of musical > production - in this regards the growth of forms such as creative > commons, netlabel,s and direct distribution from artist to audience > are extremely important developments. > > I agree that the use of the word "pop" seems problematic from our > point of view in 2005. > > ~David > > David Powers > Secretary > DePaul University, School of Education > Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services > 773-325-4806 > >>>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/15/05 07:15PM >>> > my initial question....if "pop" is a "minor literature" what is the > major literature? > > I am reading the linked essay (with some confusion and dismay)... > > more questions to follow... > > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 6:30 PM, David Powers wrote: > >> Is microsound a form of "pop" music? Before you answer, see below >> (maybe some of you have seen this essay before but I have not). >> >> http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/smithmurphy/ >> smithmurphy1.html >> >> EXCERPT from the essay's beginning: >> >> Of the many forms of expression through which their thought moves, >> flowing and multiplying without privilege or hierarchy, Gilles Deleuze >> and F*lix Guattari number "pop" among the most powerful (in the >> Spinozian sense, of that which affords the greatest potential for >> further connection and ramification). In what might at first seem a >> wildly inappropriate context*their analysis of Kafka's production of a >> "minor literature"*they define "pop" as: >> >> An escape for language, for music, for writing. What we call >> pop*pop music, pop philosophy, pop writing*W*rterflucht [word flight]. >> To make use of the polylingualism of one's own language, to make a >> minor or intensive use of it, to oppose the oppressed quality of this >> language to its oppressive quality, to find points of nonculture or >> underdevelopment, linguistic Third World zones by which a language can >> escape, an animal enters into things, an assemblage comes into play. >> (Kafka 1986, 26-27) >> >> "Pop," then, is for Deleuze and Guattari a form of multiplicity, a >> rhizome; indeed, in A Thousand Plateaus they insist that "RHIZOMATICS >> = POP ANALYSIS" (A Thousand Plateaus 24).1 The rhizome, of course, is >> their well-known image of a decentered system of points that can >> connect in any order and without hierarchy, a term drawn from botany >> that names a network of stems, like the strawberry plant, that grows >> horizontally and discontinuously by sending out runners. >> >> David Powers >> Secretary >> DePaul University, School of Education >> Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services >> 773-325-4806 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_2yrvYDz5Ix3mzjBORImHlw)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 21:05:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34827-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58299 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:05:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 58276 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:05:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:05:33 +0200 From: Murat Gunes <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-9; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54u1 (Win32, build 3918) X-Authenticated: #12624905 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jeremy Turner's interview with Kim Cascone on ctheory.net linked below has been an inspirational reading for me regarding issues related to performance of electronic music: http://www.ctheory.net/text_file.asp?pick=322 m. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 21:04:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34826-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57176 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:04:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 57166 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:04:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:04:49 -0800 (PST) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Is it possible to podcast mp3-streams? Can this be done with rss-2 by somehow attaching the streamed-audio-url? (http://63.170.215.11:8000 ) I've been noodling around Feedburn but haven't got it to work... TIA /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 20:46:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34825-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48340 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:46:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 48044 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:45:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:45:51 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KnanvoatE0KoxJYncbv0mg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_KnanvoatE0KoxJYncbv0mg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use my laptop to perform noise, there was something that always troubled me, why would someone want to come out and see a computer nerd standing behind a laptop producing beeps and buzzes of unknown patterns. Should there truly be a performance to make it art. should dancing bears or trick dogs jumping through hoops of flame company my performance.........no. Noise performance is about the energy produced from the sound, it's what is felt not what is there for eye candy. pounding keys may not be the greatest act to see, but what's felt is to be known. I don't restrict myself to just a laptop, I have a trunk full of bent circuit goodies to play with as well. I have keyboards with no keys but touch sensitive sensors for randomness instead. A performance is about what is felt not what is seen. Geary --Boundary_(ID_KnanvoatE0KoxJYncbv0mg)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 20:45:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34824-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47419 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:45:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 47407 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:45:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:45:49 +1300 From: Simon Kong <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Organization: www.obscure.co.nz MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey . there I have an answer for you. Check out www.psurkit.net I'm doing the Speakeasy show. I'm onto my fifth one. All the music I am featuring is free net-label music. The original brief was Techno. However Due to finding a vast amount of really good microsound (and other stuff), I have extended my brief and cover basically anything. It's an amazing exercise. I completely stopped using P2P about 6 months ago, and only surf for net-labels now. The Speakeasy show, is my little way of sharing the vibe, and trying to get more people out there, finding and supporting these great labels. I am waiting for someone to kick my ass over playing their music, however the way I am reading creative commons licence, I think I'm on the right side of intentions.. I have tried to contact most artist that I feature, the only feedback that I have gotten is positive, so far. So it would be great to field comments on this topic. // Please note. Psurkit . is on soft launch ' Hope you enjoy it, get a load of kiwi culture while your at it. .simon derek holzer wrote: > A couple questions about sound on the net these days: > > ---Does anybody know of some microsound, sound-art or radio-art related > podcasts or audioblogs? The concept seems to me like a huge improvement > over the streaming model of net.radio... > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast) > > ---In general, how do the releasing artists on this list feel about > their work being used in podcasts, net.radio shows, etc. Is this > different than sharing those same tracks on p2p? Does the potential > exposure of the work being available in these ways outweigh the > potential loss in hard sales? Keep in mind I mean specifically for > experimental, microsound or sound art works which have a very limited > "commercial appeal". This isn't meant to be a free-for-all sound-off on > what U2 says about peer-to-peer, for example... ;-) > > best, > derek > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 20:05:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34823-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30632 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:05:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 30622 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:05:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:07:32 +0100 From: Noisejihad <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [announcement] Noisejihad in Berlin this weekend To: List Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00aa01c52a63$c9d58630$xxxxxxxx@xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fUheT9bBA6aCa6DPO3GtuQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fUheT9bBA6aCa6DPO3GtuQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For those around in Berlin this weekend, Wäldchengarten and Pol Mod Pol will perform both saturday and sunday. saturday: Salon Bruit w/ PS stamps back (Greece), Wrangelstr. 96, U-bahn: Schlesisches Tor sunday: NBI, ultimate sunday jam, schönhauser allee 157, U-bahn: Eberswalder str. Entrances are either free or very cheap... It will be possible to purchase the brand new Wäldchengarten CD (official release 5th april). www.noisejihad.dk www.waldchengarten.dk www.polmodpol.tk thanks for your time best Lars / Noisejihad IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Next: Electrical Bonding on Desolation House >>> www.desolationhouse.com Now: Uncomfortable Positions - mp3-ep on Fukk God >>> www.fukkgod.org key to knowledge on danish noise >>> www.noisejihad.dk art >>> www.ideations.dk www.waldchengarten.dk --Boundary_(ID_fUheT9bBA6aCa6DPO3GtuQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 19:40:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34822-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19315 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:40:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 19305 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:40:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:39:58 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] spring tour To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'll be in Europe in April/May and have a week open for scheduling performances/lectures/ or workshops: approx April 29 - May 8 contact me off-list if you can provide help and I will send you info: xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx cheers! KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 19:25:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34821-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10380 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:25:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 10369 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:25:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:27:37 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1256 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx How about this... every form of pop music (not to mention musical instrument/interface) has an immanent becoming-punk/becoming-noise/becoming-molecular where it takes flight from the standardized coordinates of the hit song. At the same time, these deterritorialized musics are always in danger of being reterritorialized and recouped by the corporate music industry, which is constantly seeking out new musical frontiers to colonize in the hopes of making new profits. And perhaps it is not the musical properties per se that enable or resist this reterritorialization, but instead the relations of musical production - in this regards the growth of forms such as creative commons, netlabel,s and direct distribution from artist to audience are extremely important developments. I agree that the use of the word "pop" seems problematic from our point of view in 2005. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/15/05 07:15PM >>> my initial question....if "pop" is a "minor literature" what is the major literature? I am reading the linked essay (with some confusion and dismay)... more questions to follow... On Mar 15, 2005, at 6:30 PM, David Powers wrote: > Is microsound a form of "pop" music? Before you answer, see below > (maybe some of you have seen this essay before but I have not). > > http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/smithmurphy/ > smithmurphy1.html > > EXCERPT from the essay's beginning: > > Of the many forms of expression through which their thought moves, > flowing and multiplying without privilege or hierarchy, Gilles Deleuze > and F*lix Guattari number "pop" among the most powerful (in the > Spinozian sense, of that which affords the greatest potential for > further connection and ramification). In what might at first seem a > wildly inappropriate context*their analysis of Kafka's production of a > "minor literature"*they define "pop" as: > > An escape for language, for music, for writing. What we call > pop*pop music, pop philosophy, pop writing*W*rterflucht [word flight]. > To make use of the polylingualism of one's own language, to make a > minor or intensive use of it, to oppose the oppressed quality of this > language to its oppressive quality, to find points of nonculture or > underdevelopment, linguistic Third World zones by which a language can > escape, an animal enters into things, an assemblage comes into play. > (Kafka 1986, 26-27) > > "Pop," then, is for Deleuze and Guattari a form of multiplicity, a > rhizome; indeed, in A Thousand Plateaus they insist that "RHIZOMATICS > = POP ANALYSIS" (A Thousand Plateaus 24).1 The rhizome, of course, is > their well-known image of a decentered system of points that can > connect in any order and without hierarchy, a term drawn from botany > that names a network of stems, like the strawberry plant, that grows > horizontally and discontinuously by sending out runners. > > David Powers > Secretary > DePaul University, School of Education > Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services > 773-325-4806 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 18:56:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34820-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95094 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:56:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 95080 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:56:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:55:57 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pWVU0jcmdXogp61g+0XwfXjHB3248qL7oKQlddZVzmohZiY+Sz4tB9heRtcCwOIfWF/E5Zy1JO58vLDNvpSY8lhGT4kCgSdU/tEhavVGhxs/0oZi/XhdTdkW6qhZdST7TpNziNmGRegR2ynHVGle4F+DTu18WLTMIUS5G/D+oXg= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I feel it is unnecessary to argue whether or not something is a performance. It's about the same as arguing whether or not something is music, or worse, Art. My argument was specifically about the awareness of how one's tool affects one's output. I am interested in what it means to the working artist to restrict oneself to the use of keyboards for controlling sound. Indeed a great deal of creating is the choice of limitations, but I wonder how many make that choice in a critical manner. Andrew --- stephen hastings-king <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > a performance is defined more as a situation than by > any particular > actions. or as an occasion, to cop a term from > kierkegaard. so posting > this mail to microsound may be more a > performance/performance-oriented > act than writing the same sentencees, in the same > sequence, in my > notebook. > > for kierkegaard, the occasion is at once determinate > and incidental. > > > >why wouldn't it? > > > >On Mar 15, 2005, at 7:10 PM, graham miller wrote: > > > >>> As a caveat, I > >>> must admit that I have witnessed truly engaging > >>> performances that involved nothing more physical > than > >>> a few keystrokes. > >> > >> okay... why was it a performance? does turning on > a car radio > >> constitute > >> a performance? > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > http://eo.yifan.net > Free POP3/Web Email, File Manager, Calendar and > Address Book > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Mar 16 18:37:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34819-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85124 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:37:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 85109 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:37:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:37:07 -0500 From: ndkent <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] technological lowercase microsound question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > You will get a very low dynamic range out of that record, people would > > hear a lot of noise if the volume is turned up. This noise should mask > > any other problem. Yes if the source is analog in origin. Of course if you work directly in digital data you may be able to avoid substantial noise issues by working closer to the full digital range as the original post proposes. The overall concept is valid for an original analog source recording too. Let a quiet recording use the full range of the tape, avoid unintended distortions and you increase the signal to noise ratio. These things said, one has to consider that for whatever reason some artists want the relative degradation in sound induced by using a lower bit depth and quite possibly a low signal to noise ratio. Though it's well worth mentioning though because I suspect many artists are oblivious and simply accept whatever degradation their working process gives them. > > You should never normalize to 0dB FS as this will cause overload in the > > majority of converters on playback. Use a special mastering meter of > keep peaks below -6dB FS. Sound point though where did you get the seemingly overcautious -6dB figure? I've heard a figure of -0.2dB. > > I agree with you, the "PLAY QUIETLY" idea seem much better. Most definitely unless you want the artifacts. nick http://www.technopop.info/ndkent/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 18:34:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34818-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82380 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:34:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 82370 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:34:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:34:38 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] interesting article in Village Voice To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,stosuy,62088,22.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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This is release implements important stability fixes concluding the development of the 1.x series of dyne:bolic. = 1.4.1 bugfix "LUMUMBA" - OpenMosix automatical startup and discovery - Mozilla suite 1.7.5 (Firefox and Thunderbird dropped) - Mail encrypted with Sylpheed 1.0.3, GpgME and Enigma - Virtual keybord for alternative access devices - Nest now remembers xBox PAL/NTSC switch - Wider PC laptop hardware support - Updated software: Blender-2.36, Ardour-0.9-beta28, Gimp-2.0.6, Xine-1.0 - Fix to Rezound linkage to libFOX 1.2 - Various fixes and documentation updates - Shiny new splash screen in gtk2 :) In case you have a DOCK (/dyne directory copied in your harddisk) you should upgrade it by using the one in this release. Booting the CD just answer YES when you'll be prompted to UPGRADE.. :: THIS IS RASTA SOFTWARE ! This software is about Resistance ina babylon world which tries to control and limit the way we communicate and we share informations and knowledge. This software is for all those who don't want to afford the latest expensive hardware to speak out their words of consciousness and good will, still offering a complete operating system with more features than some other proprietary system affected by viruses and full of spyware. This software is free, Jah Rastafari Livity bless your freedom! You should share this software for the good of yourself and your people, respect others and let them express, be free and let others be free. You are welcome to redistribute dyne:bolic in any way you like, to your friends and neighbours, to anybody who needs or is just curious to try, as you wish. The roots of Rasta culture can be found in Resistance to slavery. This software is not a business. This software is free as of speech and is one step in the struggle for Redemption and Freedom. This software is dedicated to the memory of Patrice Lumumba, Marcus Garvey, Marthin Luther King, Steve Biko, Walter Rodney, Malcom X. With great respect and solidarity with all those who resist to slavery, racism, oppression and prevarication, our brother Mumia Abu Jamal still in prison, everyone fighting all the wickednes in babylon, to seek an alternative to the egemony of capitalism in our World. :: ROADMAP This is the last release of dyne:bolic I series, reaching the best grade of stability for it. A new build already started following the toolchain based on gcc-3.4.3 glibc-2.3.4 and of course the Linux kernel 2.6 which will greatly improve performance in all multimedia tasks. Dyne:bolic II will be developed using a public Zen Room: a compiler environment to open customization possibilities and hopefully share the activity of development among more than one mantainer. A Zen Room release is already on ftp://ftp.dyne.org/dynebolic/devel And thanks for all your love :) :: CONTRIBUTE TO DYNE:BOLIC ! ->>>> BUG REPORT ONLINE INTERFACE: http://bugs.dyne.org ->>>> JOIN OUR MAILINGLIST: http://lists.dyne.org/dynebolic ->>>> CONTRIBUTE DOCUMENTATION: http://lab.dyne.org/DyneBolic (wiki) Furthermore, please consider that the dyne:bolic project is an independent effort relying on occasional support from non-profit, grant-making and business organizations willing to sustain development of free and opensource software like this. Dyne:bolic relies on support from individuals like you to preserve, protect and promote the freedom it gives to its users. Please show your appreciation with a small act of generosity! thanks! :: GET SUPPORT AND CUSTOMIZED VERSIONS The dyne:bolic team is also offering commercial support: we can provide workshops, consulting services, customisations, setup and warranty for fitness to a particular purpose. If you need commercial support on dyne:bolic this is the way you can be 100% sure it will work for you. For more informations see ->>> http://dynebolic.org/index.php?show=cust ->>> http://dynebolic.org/index.php?show=workshop CONTACT US http://dyne.org/hackers_contact.php :: DEVELOPERS TEAM ______ http://dynebolic.org/index.php?show=authors Denis "Jaromil" Rojo ______ author of dyne:bolic HasciiCam MuSE FreeJ Alex "Smilzo" Gnoli _________ mantainer of the Xbox dyne:bolic kernel Silvano "Kysucix" Galliani _______________________ developer of FreeJ Antonino "Nightolo" Radici, Luca "Rubik" Profico and Angelo "Pallotron" Failla ____________________ developers of MuSE Federico "Bomboclat" Prando and Francesco "C1cc10" Rana ______________________________________________ authors of the bolic1 annnd.. Alpt, David Santinoli, Elektra, Kysucix, Lobo, Voyager, Asbesto, Grzesiek Sedek, MiSt, Newmark, Nightolo, Rageman, Richard Griffith, Rubik, Salsaman, Sandolo, Shezzan, Tx0, Frank Barknecht, JOhannes Zmoelnig, Thomas Musil, Ivan Tonizza, Tom Schouten, Niels Elburg ... .... and all the hackers sharing the good stuff with us ! Help with documentation and translations has been contributed by Isazi, Quique, Ali Uelke, Thomas Hassan, Ricardo Perry, Marco Herrn, Tommaso Gagliardi, Patrice, Ivana Pavic, Tommy Drum, Duncan Stewart. :: THANKS, WAVES AND CHEERS Thanks to the many people developing day by day the whole GNU/Linux system, they are thousands all around the world and it is impossible to include all of them here. ONE LOVE! \o/ Special Thanks to the OpenMosix project, Ton and the Blender crew, Salsaman for his valuable developments on LiVES, Dmp for the suggestions about Xbox, the amazing PD crews, Phillip Lougher for his great results in SquashFS 2, Albi Harry Jaap Janneke Decoy Momo Tibor Steven (and Dylan!), the linux-audio-dev programmers, the Twibright labs for Links2, The Man who is coding Ardour, Xiph.org, the amazing ASCII crews and the squatters of Amsterdam and all others mentioned thru past present and future documentation of dyne:bolic! Great respect to all dyne.org hackers, the FreakNet medialab and the autistici/inventati collective, ECN, italy.indymedia, the #mdp slum and the irc.freenode.net #dyne IRC channel, Metro Olografix BBS, the Hackmeeting community, radio Ondarossa, NGV indypendent video, the Buglabs, Pergola, ReLOAd, everyone compiling for the revolution and the great dynebolic mailinglist community. 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For more informations refer to the web pages on http://dynebolic.org - -- jaromil, dyne.org rasta coder, http://rastasoft.org -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 10: "Allow an easement (an easement is the abandonment of a stricture)" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:51:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34816-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56372 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:51:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 56362 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:51:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:47:59 -0500 From: stephen hastings-king <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxx.x@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-User-Info: 68.236.38.213 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a performance is defined more as a situation than by any particular actions. or as an occasion, to cop a term from kierkegaard. so posting this mail to microsound may be more a performance/performance-oriented act than writing the same sentencees, in the same sequence, in my notebook. for kierkegaard, the occasion is at once determinate and incidental. >why wouldn't it? > >On Mar 15, 2005, at 7:10 PM, graham miller wrote: > >>> As a caveat, I >>> must admit that I have witnessed truly engaging >>> performances that involved nothing more physical than >>> a few keystrokes. >> >> okay... why was it a performance? does turning on a car radio >> constitute >> a performance? > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > ----------------------------------------------------- http://eo.yifan.net Free POP3/Web Email, File Manager, Calendar and Address Book --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:45:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34815-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52317 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:45:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 52301 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:45:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:46:59 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This article also appeared in Contemporary Music Review Volume 22 Part 4, 2003. In reading the guidelines for submitting papers to the Review, one of the stipulations is that the paper/article "has not been and will not be published elsewhere". dev On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 01:06 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I just placed another text on the hotline server in-> > /main/misc/reading/GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf > this was originally published in a book on Sound Art co-pub'd by Mille > Plateaux...abstract below: > ################################# > 'Grain, Sequence, System' > [three levels of reception in the performance of laptop music] > Intro: > The increasing use of laptop computers in the performance of > electronic music has resurrected timeworn issues for both musicians > and audiences. Liberated by the use of the laptop as a musical > instrument, musicians have blurred the boundaries separating studio > and stage, as well as the corresponding authorial and performance > modes of work. On the other hand, audiences experience the laptop’s > use as a musical instrument as a violation of the codes of musical > performance. This is not a new issue for electronic music: the lack of > visual stimuli while performing on technological “instruments” has > plagued electronic music for over 40 years with little progress in > providing solutions. This essay discusses issues of performance from > the point of view of how electronic music is received rather than how > it is presented. Drawing on concepts found in “reception theory,” I > will examine three levels of reception inherent in the performance of > laptop music as used in the performance of contemporary electronic > music. These three levels are: the grain of laptop performance, the > sequence of historical linkages, and the system of super-culture and > its effect of the reception apparatus of the public. David Fodel 720-280-3179 805 East Chester St. Lafayette, Colorado 80026 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:40:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34814-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47745 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:40:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 47735 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:40:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:39:59 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 17:45:10.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[E67D1FF0:01C52A4F] why wouldn't it? On Mar 15, 2005, at 7:10 PM, graham miller wrote: >> As a caveat, I >> must admit that I have witnessed truly engaging >> performances that involved nothing more physical than >> a few keystrokes. > > okay... why was it a performance? does turning on a car radio > constitute > a performance? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:36:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34813-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46087 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:36:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 46070 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:36:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:36:17 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] linux audio TWiki To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I took the liberty of quickly cutting and pasting Derek's info on kernel optimization to the TWiki site here -- scroll to bottom -- http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/LinuxPPC please feel free to roll up your sleeves and fire up your editing skills and expand your TWiki knowledge by organizing the info better? you can format, add color type, graphics etc or even split the info onto a new page if you think it makes it better to navigate or better organized anyone? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:26:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34812-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40298 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:25:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 40287 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:25:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:28:25 -0500 From: Mike Hansen <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CKLN FM's Whynot Jazz playlist for March 9, 2005 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Dear Artist and Label > > Welcome to the radio program Whynot Jazz on Toronto's CKLN FM 88.1. > Heard Every Wednesday Morning from 7am-11am est, 1pm thru most of > Europe and noon in the UK. Available around the world at: > > www.ckln.fm > > Here is the playlist from the last Whynot Jazz Program. Please note > that radio program, hosted by Mike Hansen, takes an outside > examination of new improvised and jazz musics. Whynotjazz is one of > the very few voices for progessive new music heard in Toronto or > around the world. > > Why Not? > 2005/03/09 > > > Artist > Song Title > Album Title > Label > > > > Tim Barnes/Mark Wastell > The Scotch of St James > The Scotch of St James > Confront > > > > Kyle Bruckmann's Wrack > Mitigating Factors > Wrack > Red Toucan > > > > Rob Clutton > How Big Are The Dots > Dubious Pleasures > Rat-Drifting > * > > > Ig Henneman > Spennellate > Strepen > Wig > > > > Aidan Baker > Figured > Figures > Transient Frequency Records > * > > > Ned Rothenberg's Sync > March Hair > Harbinger > Animul Records > > > > Andre Goudbeek > Igloo > Nanook of the North > WIM > > > > Methuselah > 7-Minute Duck > Hula Themes > independent > * > > > > Party Finger > Worshipful > Ugie Chile > Cocophonics Records > * > > > > Katja Zavoloka > Proza > Suspenzia > www.zavoloka.com > > > > Runzelstirn and Gurgelstock > Nameless Victims > demo > independent > > > > Peter kowald > Niggl 2 > Silence and Flies > Free Elephant > > > > L/A/B > Ontological Time > Psychoacoustics > Ground Fault > > > > Fages/Barberan/Monteiro > 98y2r > Atolon > Rossbin Production > > > > Mimeo > cd 2 track 3 > Lifting Concrete Lightly > Serpentine Gallery > > > > Maja Ratkje/Lasse Marhaug > Pop Up In Strange > Beds With a Smile > Music for Faking > C3R > > > > Nilsson Sandell > Duo > Interactions IV part one > Strings and Objects > LJ Records > > > > Doerner/Kelley/Neumann/Rainey > 3 > Thanks Cash > Sedimental Records > > > > Jerry Granelli > River of Glass > Sandhills Reunion > Songlines > * > > > Jerry Granelli > Your Voice > Sandhills Reunion > Songlines > * > > > Kenny Wheeler > The Good Doctor > Song for Someone > psi > * > > > > > > * denotes Canadian Content > > > Your support is necessary in keeping this voice for the music current. > Please feel free to forward music to the address below. Thanks again > for your support. Keep Listening > > > Thanks > Mike > > > Mike Hansen > CKLN FM 88.1 > Whynot Jazz Program > 79 Benson Ave. > Toronto,On > Canada > M6G 2H7 > xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:18:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34811-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34452 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:18:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 34441 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:18:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:18:10 -0500 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Hotline In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5DD482.3AB5%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'd like an account for the hotline server.. How do I go about getting one? -adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 17:14:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34810-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32221 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:14:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 32190 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:14:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:14:12 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] good linux audio blog site To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Tad recommended a great site to me the other day: http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/ thru it I found yet another audio distro (yaad?) which I also cannot remember the name of -- the distro was priced in pounds sterling so i am assuming it was British...I'll email the bookmark from my Linux laptop later... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 16:46:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34809-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15713 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 15690 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:46:04 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] texts In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=h9gZm70ATotJGsRfi6rMN5f3PIcyT/NlhC38c0fnunNMFXqYyFJrz87AvVHswDkG+Zazk7AUY8gA4xVoFAfxt5miyI9Sy5htAkde+rcc8tzmv+gqpR1EDeIy3X0B3AoPhNgMcyAVXRaP7jtloGSEonQ9mSGxghOrAAf0BH79ssk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi i put the aesthetics of failure PDF on the wiki http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/MicrsoundTexts [hand copied URL- may be inaccurate] this link is for a wiki page to hold the texts. if someone has the other documents [laptop music, gold ...] and wants to put them up there- go ahead. i don't have network access on my home computer yet [new apartment] and haven't put a hotline client on my work computer. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 16:23:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34808-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6249 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 6239 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:23:09 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 16:23:10.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[71AD9070:01C52A44] Thank you, Derek, for all your help here - for being the resident Linux guru - unfortunately DeMuDi currently doesn't port to PPC, and as you said Planet CCRMA is for RedHat, but I think I can probably figure out how to optimize the kernel thanks to these links. (installing modified Debian 2.4.18 on an iBook 300MHz w/228MB RAM, dual-boot with OS 10.2) I'll try and keep a journal of my progress and post it on the twiki when I have time (while moving, starting a new job, etc.). Thanks again, David >From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:59:32 +0100 > >Hi Tad, > >xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > >>6) Recompile recent 2.4 or 2.6 kernel from just about any Linux > >>distro for low-latency > > > > Pointers/links to follow on this subject? Where are the patches >archived? > >Most kernels beyond 2.4.18 or so have an option in the kernel config to >enable low latency, and most have also preemptive option. For the bleeding >edge (as in I take no liability for possible damages caused...), lots of >linux audio folks have been using a 2.6.10 kernel with Andrew Morton's >patchset and Ingo Molnar's RealTime patch. > >Details on the 2.6.10-rc2-mm3-RT kernel/patch combo can be found in >kerneltrap.org's achives: > >http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/1/message/533/thread?PHPSE >SSID=19e5bf1c78099fadb616b0a2936d58d4 > >or > >http://tinyurl.com/67ufy > >Also look out for the Capabilities and Linux Security Module (realtime-LSM) >patches for your kernel, which allow for non-root users to safely schedule >realtime processes [such as running JACK]. Have a look at the "installing >the kernel" section of the very clear Planet CCRMA docs for a bit more >explaination of how LSM works: > >http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ > >Please note that this is not newbie stuff, but requires pretty good >knowledge of kernel-compilation to use. If you're not up to that, you might >stick with Planet CCRMA or Demudi's kernels, which try to incorporate much >of these developments. > >PlanetCCRMA tends to have more recent kernels, but RedHat/Fedora is a very >bloated distro, with lots of stuff you don't need for audio slowing your >system down substantially. Debian/Demudi tends to be cleaner, or at least >easier to optimize, but more "conservative" in terms of the newness of >software. With Ubuntu, you get what's on the box: dumbed-down Debian with a >push-button installer which is great for noobs but not as optimized as >Demudi. > >For more info, I'd recommend checking the following lists out: > >Linux-Audio-User >PlanetCCRMA >Demudi > >I really gotta find time to stick all this on the WIKKI! ;-) > >derek > >-- >derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl >---Oblique Strategy # 142: >"Shut the door and listen from outside" > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 15:51:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34807-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91122 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:51:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 91111 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:51:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:59:32 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Tad, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: >>6) Recompile recent 2.4 or 2.6 kernel from just about any Linux >>distro for low-latency > > Pointers/links to follow on this subject? Where are the patches archived? Most kernels beyond 2.4.18 or so have an option in the kernel config to enable low latency, and most have also preemptive option. For the bleeding edge (as in I take no liability for possible damages caused...), lots of linux audio folks have been using a 2.6.10 kernel with Andrew Morton's patchset and Ingo Molnar's RealTime patch. Details on the 2.6.10-rc2-mm3-RT kernel/patch combo can be found in kerneltrap.org's achives: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/1/message/533/thread?PHPSE SSID=19e5bf1c78099fadb616b0a2936d58d4 or http://tinyurl.com/67ufy Also look out for the Capabilities and Linux Security Module (realtime-LSM) patches for your kernel, which allow for non-root users to safely schedule realtime processes [such as running JACK]. Have a look at the "installing the kernel" section of the very clear Planet CCRMA docs for a bit more explaination of how LSM works: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ Please note that this is not newbie stuff, but requires pretty good knowledge of kernel-compilation to use. If you're not up to that, you might stick with Planet CCRMA or Demudi's kernels, which try to incorporate much of these developments. PlanetCCRMA tends to have more recent kernels, but RedHat/Fedora is a very bloated distro, with lots of stuff you don't need for audio slowing your system down substantially. Debian/Demudi tends to be cleaner, or at least easier to optimize, but more "conservative" in terms of the newness of software. With Ubuntu, you get what's on the box: dumbed-down Debian with a push-button installer which is great for noobs but not as optimized as Demudi. For more info, I'd recommend checking the following lists out: Linux-Audio-User PlanetCCRMA Demudi I really gotta find time to stick all this on the WIKKI! ;-) derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 142: "Shut the door and listen from outside" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 14:27:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34806-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54779 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:27:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 54769 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:27:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:31 -0500 From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ----- Original Message ----- From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:42 am Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) > 6) Recompile recent 2.4 or 2.6 kernel from just about any Linux >distro for low-latency Hi Derek- Pointers/links to follow on this subject? Where are the patches archived? Best and thanks! Tad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 13:20:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34805-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33803 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 33792 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:23:06 +1100 From: Brendan Palmer <xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Melbourne: Uber Lingua's 1st Birthday at St Jeromes 17/03/05 In-reply-to: <BE5E7E5D.109A6%xx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5E7E6A.109A7%xx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx UBER LINGUA celebrates 1 year at St Jeromes on Thursday the 17th of March 364 days ago (the 18th to be exact) a small sound system was rented and set up in a fairly baron looking back alley cafe in the middle of Melbourne. St Jeromes was only a few weeks old and abstract hip hop, electronic music, avant rock and dub music emanated thru the concrete canyons.... Since then a killer venue has risen up and a weeks schedule of interesting DJs and other events have featured. A year on Uber Lingua does what it does best, features exotic guests: On the 17th Marcus Leadley, editor of Guitar magazine (yes the international glossy mag), Dubwise selector (ex-Adel) and Bags are the featured guests... And as always residents bP, Raceless and Saigon Sausage feature strongly... Festivities will ensue with MC Vulk Makedonski and other vocal masters jumping on the mic later in the night. goto http://www.uberlingua.com/melb for more info... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 13:13:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34804-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29226 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:13:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 29216 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:13:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:12:03 +0000 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 13:13:42.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA20B380:01C52A29] People posted their (on topic) weblogs recently on the list, have a look at the archive. If those guys are using recent versions of software like Wordpress, they should effectively have postcasting sites, since the software is clever enough to pick up links to mp3s and add them to their feeds as enclosures. Personally, I think distributing your own music via a personal weblog/website or a netlabel are all excellent techniques, with their own methods and success stories. They inherently have a lower barrier to entry for people wishing to hear your music, since it's easier to give someone a URL than tell them to download a p2p client and search. Having a netlabel release was nice, I got talking to some like-minded folks that way, it opened up a few new directions for me. Cheers, Alex On 16 Mar 2005, at 13:08, derek holzer wrote: > ---Does anybody know of some microsound, sound-art or radio-art > related podcasts or audioblogs? The concept seems to me like a huge > improvement over the streaming model of net.radio... > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast) > > ---In general, how do the releasing artists on this list feel about > their work being used in podcasts, net.radio shows, etc. Is this > different than sharing those same tracks on p2p? Does the potential > exposure of the work being available in these ways outweigh the > potential loss in hard sales? Keep in mind I mean specifically for > experimental, microsound or sound art works which have a very limited > "commercial appeal". This isn't meant to be a free-for-all sound-off > on what U2 says about peer-to-peer, for example... ;-) -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 13:00:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34803-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24664 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:59:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 24653 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:59:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:08:10 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] podcasting/audioblogs/net.radio/p2p To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A couple questions about sound on the net these days: ---Does anybody know of some microsound, sound-art or radio-art related podcasts or audioblogs? The concept seems to me like a huge improvement over the streaming model of net.radio... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast) ---In general, how do the releasing artists on this list feel about their work being used in podcasts, net.radio shows, etc. Is this different than sharing those same tracks on p2p? Does the potential exposure of the work being available in these ways outweigh the potential loss in hard sales? Keep in mind I mean specifically for experimental, microsound or sound art works which have a very limited "commercial appeal". This isn't meant to be a free-for-all sound-off on what U2 says about peer-to-peer, for example... ;-) best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 177: "What is the reality of the situation?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 12:33:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34802-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17150 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 17132 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:42:01 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Igor, Igor Medeiros wrote: > which other audio distros are low latency kernel? for pc? You basically have three "audio" distros for PC architecture: 1) Demudi: Debian Multimedia Distribution 2) Planet CCRMA: Redhat/Fedora-based distro 3) AudioSlack: Slackware audio packages However, you can also do the following: 4) Try to add Demudi low-latency kernel to existing Debian or Ubuntu installation 5) Use a Gentoo kernel with low-latency enabled (see Gentoo installation docs for a very friendly step-by-step guide to kernel compiling) 6) Recompile recent 2.4 or 2.6 kernel from just about any Linux distro for low-latency There are also other patches for preemptive schedualling and user-mode realtime priority which really get your machine kicking ass. I use Gentoo with a 2.6.10-rc3-love kernel which includes low-latency, preemptive and realtime patches on my Athlon64 laptop, and it rocks the house. I have yet to hit the edge of my CPU for audio. best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 140: "Reverse" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 12:25:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34801-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14545 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:25:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 14535 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:25:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:25:17 -0500 From: marcos sawosky <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... X-Originating-IP: 4.236.84.203 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.57.0 (Windows) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=ERFhTvWlS4m1fjpnpRluCXzhxwfCK2sVSEkUSqqutBPI/yUfORSbNt8nKNUINYLT; X-ELNK-Trace: 07d655c305e922d49f7045085d45d2fe239a348a220c260935a3b779c1aa58c7762cae0ca59c381a2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > [Original Message] > From: Peter Price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Date: 3/15/2005 8:15:47 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... > > my initial question....if "pop" is a "minor literature" what is the > major literature? > > I am reading the linked essay (with some confusion and dismay)... > > more questions to follow... > > hi, my first post. my answer to you: i'ts what you want it to be. unless you need to follow someones agenda and therefore need to kiss the french deconstructionalists derriers. i'm not against deleuze, derrida, foucault, etc... i just think it should be satisfying, it's an art not a job like linguistics or analytical logic. even if your processes are based on some kind of equation at some point there is some kind of essence from the force that is moving it to be. if it's not your cup of tea, put it aside and create in a more satisfying way for you. otoh, when i read' kafka minor literature' it makes me a bit nauseous. i bet most of these literary critics have done wittgenstein, and in their heart of hart's know they can't hack it at that level, so they piss anyone else they can. they do a good job at it i must confess. nevertheless, as the saying goes: 'somebody has to write the songs.' marcos sawosky --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 09:10:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34800-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68723 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:10:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 68713 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:10:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:10:28 +0000 From: Domonkos Nagy <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx-xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2005 09:10:28.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF341C30:01C52A07] online copy here :- http://www.fylkingen.se/hz/n4/cascone.html best, Domonkos On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 03:27:27PM -0600, David Powers wrote: > May I get a hotline password? (Website says to contact you) - I'd > really like to read this essay, I'm examining issues around laptop > performance currently. > Thanks, > David > > >>> xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/15/05 02:06PM >>> > I just placed another text on the hotline server in-> > /main/misc/reading/GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf > this was originally published in a book on Sound Art co-pub'd by Mille > > Plateaux...abstract below: > ################################# > 'Grain, Sequence, System' > [three levels of reception in the performance of laptop music] > Intro: > The increasing use of laptop computers in the performance of electronic > > music has resurrected timeworn issues for both musicians and audiences. > > Liberated by the use of the laptop as a musical instrument, musicians > have blurred the boundaries separating studio and stage, as well as the > > corresponding authorial and performance modes of work. On the other > hand, audiences experience the laptop's use as a musical instrument > as > a violation of the codes of musical performance. This is not a new > issue for electronic music: the lack of visual stimuli while performing > > on technological "instruments" has plagued electronic music for > over 40 > years with little progress in providing solutions. This essay discusses > > issues of performance from the point of view of how electronic music is > > received rather than how it is presented. Drawing on concepts found in > > "reception theory," I will examine three levels of reception > inherent > in the performance of laptop music as used in the performance of > contemporary electronic music. These three levels are: the grain of > laptop performance, the sequence of historical linkages, and the system > > of super-culture and its effect of the reception apparatus of the > public. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 06:24:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34799-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30683 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:24:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 30648 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:24:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:22:17 +0100 From: "jan.l" <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] technological lowercase microsound question In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 217.174.67.69 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Report-Abuse-To: xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: mockba X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You will get a very low dynamic range out of that record, people would hear a lot of noise if the volume is turned up. This noise should mask any other problem. You should never normalize to 0dB FS as this will cause overload in the majority of converters on playback. Use a special mastering meter or keep peaks below -6dB FS. I agree with you, the "PLAY QUIETLY" idea seem much better. 2005-03-16 kl. 06.41 skrev Anthony Saunders: > > An observation of cd-mastering, 16-bit audio, and the "almost silent" > cd: > > The bit depth of an audio file determines the number of different > possible volume levels in the file. A 2 bit audio file could have 4 > levels (00, 01, 10, 11), a 4 bit audio file has 64 levels, etc. > > A big deal is/was made in the microsound "scene" (or at least the > press) about "near-silent" cds, while at the same time, a big deal is > made about "proper monitoring", about wide frequency ranges, etc. > > While recently working on mastering a new cd relase of mine, I had a > revelation about making music artificially quiet on a cd (by not using > all of the available dynamic range)... this is bad for sound quality. > > why? > > well, read this quote from a FAQ about 24-bit field recording: > "16-bit recordings are capable of a theoretical maximum limit of 96dB > of dynamic range. This means that a single wave could have up to 65536 > discrete values that can be used to represent it. But if the same wave > recorded at 16-bit peaks at 48dB below its maximum possible limit, > then there would only be 256 discrete values that can be used to > represent it, taking advantage of only 8 of the least significant > bits. The 8 most significant bits would contain no information > whatsoever, and would remain unused. In the case of 24-bit recording, > you’d have a maximum of 16,777,216 values to choose from, and in the > case of a wave peaking at 48dB below its maximum possible limit, the > wave would still have 65536 possible discrete amplitude values that > could be used to represent it." > from http://www.24bitfaq.org/#Q0_1_1 > > So a really quiet microsound / lowercase cd that never hits 0db never > uses all 16 bits of it's available data. A cd that stays bellow 48b > (which is really quiet, I realize), is really just an 8 bit recording > with an additional 8 bits of silence dropped on top of it. > > Any subtle decay in sounds, such as reverb tails, suffer the most from > this. > > Why then, do microsound/lowercase cds come mastered quietly, rather > than having a command to the audience of "PLAY QUIETLY" (the inverse > of the all too common command to "play loud".) > > most of the time, people just end up turning the cd up anyway.... > > note that, assuming I'm understanding this correctly, if you had a > very quiet 24 bit recording that never peaked above -48db, you could > normalize it to 0db and then drop it to 16bit with zero loss of > data/fidelity. > > Anthony > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 05:41:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34798-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21355 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:41:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 21345 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:41:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:41:22 -0500 From: Anthony Saunders <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] technological lowercase microsound question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx An observation of cd-mastering, 16-bit audio, and the "almost silent" cd: The bit depth of an audio file determines the number of different possible volume levels in the file. A 2 bit audio file could have 4 levels (00, 01, 10, 11), a 4 bit audio file has 64 levels, etc. A big deal is/was made in the microsound "scene" (or at least the press) about "near-silent" cds, while at the same time, a big deal is made about "proper monitoring", about wide frequency ranges, etc. While recently working on mastering a new cd relase of mine, I had a revelation about making music artificially quiet on a cd (by not using all of the available dynamic range)... this is bad for sound quality. why? well, read this quote from a FAQ about 24-bit field recording: "16-bit recordings are capable of a theoretical maximum limit of 96dB of dynamic range. This means that a single wave could have up to 65536 discrete values that can be used to represent it. But if the same wave recorded at 16-bit peaks at 48dB below its maximum possible limit, then there would only be 256 discrete values that can be used to represent it, taking advantage of only 8 of the least significant bits. The 8 most significant bits would contain no information whatsoever, and would remain unused. In the case of 24-bit recording, you’d have a maximum of 16,777,216 values to choose from, and in the case of a wave peaking at 48dB below its maximum possible limit, the wave would still have 65536 possible discrete amplitude values that could be used to represent it." from http://www.24bitfaq.org/#Q0_1_1 So a really quiet microsound / lowercase cd that never hits 0db never uses all 16 bits of it's available data. A cd that stays bellow 48b (which is really quiet, I realize), is really just an 8 bit recording with an additional 8 bits of silence dropped on top of it. Any subtle decay in sounds, such as reverb tails, suffer the most from this. Why then, do microsound/lowercase cds come mastered quietly, rather than having a command to the audience of "PLAY QUIETLY" (the inverse of the all too common command to "play loud".) most of the time, people just end up turning the cd up anyway.... note that, assuming I'm understanding this correctly, if you had a very quiet 24 bit recording that never peaked above -48db, you could normalize it to 0db and then drop it to 16bit with zero loss of data/fidelity. Anthony --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 04:31:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34797-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1438 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:31:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 1428 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:31:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:34:10 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm a secretary. I hit keys and tip-tap-type away all day at the command of other people. During the day, I experience my body as an instrument of alienated labor, and while performing this labor, the computer keyboard functions as a device which disciplines my body, enforcing certain mechanical routines on me as I obey institutional directives in a condition of servitude and subjugation. So, from my point of view, creating a musical performance out of a computer keyboard interface is certainly a deterritorialization of the technology that acts to enslave me all day long. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx 03/15/05 08:48PM >>> I am interested in the points Kim brings up about the laptop as a performance object. For some time I have been working on custom gestural interfaces for digital noise performance, simply because I feel the typewriter-style keyboard and the piano-style keyboard to be very limiting and over-coded controllers. I feel it is difficult to engage in a truly new music/sound without questioning the innate metaphors that we are bound to through our interface. Since the invention of the piano, the majority of music produced has been piano-music to some degree. While I agree that the expectations of the audience should also be addressed, I feel it is too easy to defend the laptop because it is such a powerful tool. As a caveat, I must admit that I have witnessed truly engaging performances that involved nothing more physical than a few keystrokes. Andrew Benson S.F.,CA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Wed Mar 16 03:32:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34796-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83086 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:32:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 83076 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:32:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:19:17 +0000 From: xx@xxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device X-Originating-IP: 213.22.231.92 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: PTMail Webmail v1.2.7 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx And why does Music has to be a performing art? RG --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 03:10:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34795-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75446 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:10:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 75431 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:10:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:10:29 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > As a caveat, I > must admit that I have witnessed truly engaging > performances that involved nothing more physical than > a few keystrokes. okay... why was it a performance? does turning on a car radio constitute a performance? > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 02:48:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34794-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67954 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:48:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 67940 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:48:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Laptop, etc as Performance device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bBn6aRTY//ofxM+oqzV7F8tcsLgFBtMewpJ6OSQ/CA6RtWuQbpVQuQ+rVNaBxnxV1jT7pQ2L5KoqmvB+1+Ykil+4VJvDqXsVVZMhlMQFHL7vVKNzQA+4VtBOOx2eIVAqnl9DRCVecM2GvAOTWF/lNH8SIKN3Y3ZIWXgZ4htjmK4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am interested in the points Kim brings up about the laptop as a performance object. For some time I have been working on custom gestural interfaces for digital noise performance, simply because I feel the typewriter-style keyboard and the piano-style keyboard to be very limiting and over-coded controllers. I feel it is difficult to engage in a truly new music/sound without questioning the innate metaphors that we are bound to through our interface. Since the invention of the piano, the majority of music produced has been piano-music to some degree. While I agree that the expectations of the audience should also be addressed, I feel it is too easy to defend the laptop because it is such a powerful tool. As a caveat, I must admit that I have witnessed truly engaging performances that involved nothing more physical than a few keystrokes. Andrew Benson S.F.,CA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 01:56:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34793-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50721 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:56:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 50711 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:56:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:56:16 -0300 From: Igor Medeiros <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Igor Medeiros <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MQQBWf4khpHELGbfma9WeeBCFhMMgxNQ1oygtZNPVKCiilqSiLJo6AWYMclC0edDPMT4c0HJLoFEh3/8HU4ontJddVddUOm6bCYhcWrokr1kuOoct5+rusHoMupv2+K0RTihhtJZyO/yOPBhtC7di/DLjij48Cxan8xdjKuGmtc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx which other audio distros are low latency kernel? for pc? On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:04:59 -0500, david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Yes, the low-latency kernel is really the key element of the DeMuDi distro > for me, the rest are just downloadable packages. I've got Debian installed > but I'm still new to Linux, so maybe there could be a twiki page devoted to > step-by-step optimizing a Debian (or other) kernel and adding the ALSA > drivers? It seems the DeMuDi project just involves a few modifications you > can do on your own, if only you're comfortable with gathering the sources > needed and recompiling the kernel... > > Thanks, > David > > >From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> > >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) > >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:59:49 +0100 > > > >Hi David, > > > >best advice(s) for now are as follows: > > > >1) "Easiest": install Ubuntu for PPC and add normal Debian (possibly > >unstable also) sources, then apt-get install the various packages you want. > >Both Demudi and Ubuntu are Debian-based, so the inner core is the same. > >However, Demudi has no PPC packages, so you'll miss out on the kernel. Kim > >was already asking me about this, so maybe I'll take him up on his > >suggestion to make a WIKKI page about it, as long as others here are > >willing to file their own reports on how well it does or doesn't go. > > > >2) Install Debian or Gentoo for PPC and use their packages. Again, you'll > >be missing the low-latency kernel. But you can always compile ;-) Most all > >the apps you want should exist as packages for both platforms. I prefer > >Gentoo these days because I find it more comfortable to configure, but many > >Debian folks say the same thing, so the difference may just be academic. > > > >Happy to answer further ??'s as time allows. Otherwise, let's get together > >on the WIKKI pages. > > > >best, > >Derek > > > > > > > > > >david golightly wrote: > >>Apropos of Linux/PPC: > >>Does anyone know of any plans to port the DeMuDi (Debian Music Distro) for > >>PPC? This distro was initiated jointly by IRCAM and CCRMA, and I'd really > >>like to get my hands on it - would save hours of headaches recompiling the > >>kernel, tracking down audio-related packages, drivers, and programs etc... > > > > > > > >-- > >derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > >---Oblique Strategy # 76: > >"Give the game away" > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- _________________ www.mediasana.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 01:41:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34792-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43338 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:41:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 43326 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:41:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:41:22 -0500 From: skippy random <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oval, scanner, mouse on mars, DJ Spooky...are these really the best examples we have of a potentially Deleuzian music? I obviously must have missed something in my reading of Deleuze. On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Peter Price wrote: > my initial question....if "pop" is a "minor literature" what is the > major literature? > > I am reading the linked essay (with some confusion and dismay)... > > more questions to follow... > > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 6:30 PM, David Powers wrote: > >> Is microsound a form of "pop" music? Before you answer, see below >> (maybe some of you have seen this essay before but I have not). >> >> http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/smithmurphy/ >> smithmurphy1.html >> >> EXCERPT from the essay's beginning: >> >> Of the many forms of expression through which their thought moves, >> flowing and multiplying without privilege or hierarchy, Gilles >> Deleuze and F*lix Guattari number "pop" among the most powerful (in >> the Spinozian sense, of that which affords the greatest potential for >> further connection and ramification). In what might at first seem a >> wildly inappropriate context—their analysis of Kafka's production of >> a "minor literature"—they define "pop" as: >> >> An escape for language, for music, for writing. What we call >> pop—pop music, pop philosophy, pop writing—W*rterflucht [word >> flight]. To make use of the polylingualism of one's own language, to >> make a minor or intensive use of it, to oppose the oppressed quality >> of this language to its oppressive quality, to find points of >> nonculture or underdevelopment, linguistic Third World zones by which >> a language can escape, an animal enters into things, an assemblage >> comes into play. (Kafka 1986, 26-27) >> >> "Pop," then, is for Deleuze and Guattari a form of multiplicity, a >> rhizome; indeed, in A Thousand Plateaus they insist that "RHIZOMATICS >> = POP ANALYSIS" (A Thousand Plateaus 24).1 The rhizome, of course, is >> their well-known image of a decentered system of points that can >> connect in any order and without hierarchy, a term drawn from botany >> that names a network of stems, like the strawberry plant, that grows >> horizontally and discontinuously by sending out runners. >> >> David Powers >> Secretary >> DePaul University, School of Education >> Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services >> 773-325-4806 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 16 01:15:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34791-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30453 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:15:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 30441 invoked from network); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:15:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:15:43 -0500 From: Peter Price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my initial question....if "pop" is a "minor literature" what is the major literature? I am reading the linked essay (with some confusion and dismay)... more questions to follow... On Mar 15, 2005, at 6:30 PM, David Powers wrote: > Is microsound a form of "pop" music? Before you answer, see below > (maybe some of you have seen this essay before but I have not). > > http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/smithmurphy/ > smithmurphy1.html > > EXCERPT from the essay's beginning: > > Of the many forms of expression through which their thought moves, > flowing and multiplying without privilege or hierarchy, Gilles Deleuze > and F*lix Guattari number "pop" among the most powerful (in the > Spinozian sense, of that which affords the greatest potential for > further connection and ramification). In what might at first seem a > wildly inappropriate context—their analysis of Kafka's production of a > "minor literature"—they define "pop" as: > > An escape for language, for music, for writing. What we call > pop—pop music, pop philosophy, pop writing—W*rterflucht [word flight]. > To make use of the polylingualism of one's own language, to make a > minor or intensive use of it, to oppose the oppressed quality of this > language to its oppressive quality, to find points of nonculture or > underdevelopment, linguistic Third World zones by which a language can > escape, an animal enters into things, an assemblage comes into play. > (Kafka 1986, 26-27) > > "Pop," then, is for Deleuze and Guattari a form of multiplicity, a > rhizome; indeed, in A Thousand Plateaus they insist that "RHIZOMATICS > = POP ANALYSIS" (A Thousand Plateaus 24).1 The rhizome, of course, is > their well-known image of a decentered system of points that can > connect in any order and without hierarchy, a term drawn from botany > that names a network of stems, like the strawberry plant, that grows > horizontally and discontinuously by sending out runners. > > David Powers > Secretary > DePaul University, School of Education > Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services > 773-325-4806 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 23:28:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34789-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89145 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:28:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 89119 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:28:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:30:40 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] FOR DISCUSSION... To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1253 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Is microsound a form of "pop" music? Before you answer, see below (maybe some of you have seen this essay before but I have not). http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/smithmurphy/smithmurphy1.html EXCERPT from the essay's beginning: Of the many forms of expression through which their thought moves, flowing and multiplying without privilege or hierarchy, Gilles Deleuze and F*lix Guattari number "pop" among the most powerful (in the Spinozian sense, of that which affords the greatest potential for further connection and ramification). In what might at first seem a wildly inappropriate context—their analysis of Kafka's production of a "minor literature"—they define "pop" as: An escape for language, for music, for writing. What we call pop—pop music, pop philosophy, pop writing—W*rterflucht [word flight]. To make use of the polylingualism of one's own language, to make a minor or intensive use of it, to oppose the oppressed quality of this language to its oppressive quality, to find points of nonculture or underdevelopment, linguistic Third World zones by which a language can escape, an animal enters into things, an assemblage comes into play. (Kafka 1986, 26-27) "Pop," then, is for Deleuze and Guattari a form of multiplicity, a rhizome; indeed, in A Thousand Plateaus they insist that "RHIZOMATICS = POP ANALYSIS" (A Thousand Plateaus 24).1 The rhizome, of course, is their well-known image of a decentered system of points that can connect in any order and without hierarchy, a term drawn from botany that names a network of stems, like the strawberry plant, that grows horizontally and discontinuously by sending out runners. 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Tue Mar 15 22:17:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34788-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55630 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:17:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 55619 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:17:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:17:38 -0600 (CST) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live set online In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_94LyK9crsI6gVrvRIrulwA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DRhGK7piM6WRLH5SqXJxoNoYnTXJqe8SWAXcVqM7wCn/V9dVgk9p729g3wuADiBeMyd8M4qSx/whh2HHPJsayyUHmDPS8aOXke0KyirI71YTfaM7jx51Rq5tVtMtTs3TRXz4TDnZE60D40jhr5QrxoK1z47hH6Cid5vIvzKJLlM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_94LyK9crsI6gVrvRIrulwA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I like too! Regards from Chile. Mika. Gianluca Foglino <xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote:Thanks very good !! gl Il giorno 14/mar/05, alle 19:01, stephan mathieu ha scritto: > > hello > i've uploaded a set recorded live at interplay london on feb.10th > to > > http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 > (30MB) > > the piece is based on material by douglas benford/si.cut-db who > performed his version of my sound imediately afterwards. > the file will be available for a week. > > best wishes > - stephan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org ------------------------------------------- [M!M] [SCL] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. --Boundary_(ID_94LyK9crsI6gVrvRIrulwA)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 22:16:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34787-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54121 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:16:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 54109 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:16:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:16:33 +0100 From: Gianluca Foglino <xxxxxxxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live set online In-reply-to: <R02010100-1038-0E0CBE5594B311D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.115.123]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <R02010100-1038-0E0CBE5594B311D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.115.123]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks very good !! gl Il giorno 14/mar/05, alle 19:01, stephan mathieu ha scritto: > > hello > i've uploaded a set recorded live at interplay london on feb.10th > to > > http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 > (30MB) > > the piece is based on material by douglas benford/si.cut-db who > performed his version of my sound imediately afterwards. > the file will be available for a week. > > best wishes > - stephan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 21:28:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34786-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29400 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:28:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 29390 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:28:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:28:11 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ftp In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 21:33:20.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C059A50:01C529A6] On Mar 15, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> A textual one ideally... I >> don't care for GtkHx and the like. Text works nicely with Ion2. The >> official Mac client is pretty atrocious too.. > pitbull is nice and allows me to admin the server in a more organized > manner...when I have the time that is... Heidrun is what I've been using on OSX... http://netsafir.com/~granma --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 21:25:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34785-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27888 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:25:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 27878 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:25:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:27:27 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx May I get a hotline password? (Website says to contact you) - I'd really like to read this essay, I'm examining issues around laptop performance currently. Thanks, David >>> xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/15/05 02:06PM >>> I just placed another text on the hotline server in-> /main/misc/reading/GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf this was originally published in a book on Sound Art co-pub'd by Mille Plateaux...abstract below: ################################# 'Grain, Sequence, System' [three levels of reception in the performance of laptop music] Intro: The increasing use of laptop computers in the performance of electronic music has resurrected timeworn issues for both musicians and audiences. Liberated by the use of the laptop as a musical instrument, musicians have blurred the boundaries separating studio and stage, as well as the corresponding authorial and performance modes of work. On the other hand, audiences experience the laptop's use as a musical instrument as a violation of the codes of musical performance. This is not a new issue for electronic music: the lack of visual stimuli while performing on technological "instruments" has plagued electronic music for over 40 years with little progress in providing solutions. This essay discusses issues of performance from the point of view of how electronic music is received rather than how it is presented. Drawing on concepts found in "reception theory," I will examine three levels of reception inherent in the performance of laptop music as used in the performance of contemporary electronic music. These three levels are: the grain of laptop performance, the sequence of historical linkages, and the system of super-culture and its effect of the reception apparatus of the public. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 21:02:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34784-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16247 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:02:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 16236 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:02:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:02:26 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [linux] Ubuntu Linux To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx if you can filter the hippie-crap this article is a good introduction to Ubuntu Linux http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5729/1/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 20:53:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34783-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9551 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:53:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 9540 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:53:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:53:23 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] debianppc To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Yes, the low-latency kernel is really the key element of the DeMuDi > distro > for me, the rest are just downloadable packages. I've got Debian > installed > but I'm still new to Linux, so maybe there could be a twiki page > devoted to > step-by-step optimizing a Debian (or other) kernel I think I read something recently on DebianPlanet... check this out: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/10/1727246 there might be some optimization info in it...I haven't read it yet... > and adding the ALSA > drivers? I have been trying to get this to work with a similar setup: Ubuntu/DebianPPC and I have not been successful also, anyone have a clue how to get an iBook to wake up in Linux after sleeping? mine starts doing something odd with the Airport conf and then just spins it wheels for a while... > It seems the DeMuDi project just involves a few modifications you > can do on your own, if only you're comfortable with gathering the > sources > needed and recompiling the kernel... just curious why you need to recompile the kernel? is this for optimization or for adding modules/drivers directly into the kernel? but yes -- please feel free to start a TWiki page at the Linux Audio section of the microsound TWiki site! :) KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 20:40:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34782-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2212 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:40:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 2202 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:40:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:40:51 +0100 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: re: [microsound] live set online In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1038-85767D54959211D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.110.124]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi john, > i get a 404 [file not found] when i click this url. hmm, the url i've posted is correct http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 > and while aesthetically, i like the presentation of informaion on your > site; i was not able to figure out how to navigate my way to this file > on my own. sorry, theres no way to access the file through a link from my website. anyway, i'm currently updating bitsteam.de to make it a little easier to use, hopefully without messing up alorenz original idea all too much. the last update is from 2003.11, the next one is hopefully up by mid april. - stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 20:38:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34781-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99715 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:38:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 99705 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:38:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:38:50 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] authors rights To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > But will messages be forced into public domain and void of author's > rights > as well? no, authors retain any/all copyright to the text they post to the microsound list being in the 'public' doesn't mean that something is 'public domain'...there are some great sites online which can teach you more about copyright issues...do a Google and check some out :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 20:21:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34780-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89628 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:21:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 89618 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:21:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:21:11 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ftp To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Just out of curiosity Kim, why does microsound use Hotline instead of > plain old FTP? Surely FTP is better than a proprietary protocol, no? the nice thing about hotline is that is allows for chat and other little community building tools... no-one should be using ftp anymore - unless you want to give away your password which is sent in plain text when logging in to a server...always use sftp instead...there is no sftp access to the hotline server... > Is there a good linux hotline client btw? yes, but I have forgotten the name of it...I came across it in the Debian repository...I think? > A textual one ideally... I > don't care for GtkHx and the like. Text works nicely with Ion2. The > official Mac client is pretty atrocious too.. pitbull is nice and allows me to admin the server in a more organized manner...when I have the time that is... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 20:06:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34779-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80936 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:06:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 80916 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:06:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:06:32 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BpTdStv7xST6sFx1XTgr7Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_BpTdStv7xST6sFx1XTgr7Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just placed another text on the hotline server in-> /main/misc/reading/GSS_GOLD_rev1.pdf this was originally published in a book on Sound Art co-pub'd by Mille Plateaux...abstract below: ################################# 'Grain, Sequence, System' [three levels of reception in the performance of laptop music] Intro: The increasing use of laptop computers in the performance of electronic music has resurrected timeworn issues for both musicians and audiences. Liberated by the use of the laptop as a musical instrument, musicians have blurred the boundaries separating studio and stage, as well as the corresponding authorial and performance modes of work. On the other hand, audiences experience the laptop’s use as a musical instrument as a violation of the codes of musical performance. This is not a new issue for electronic music: the lack of visual stimuli while performing on technological “instruments” has plagued electronic music for over 40 years with little progress in providing solutions. This essay discusses issues of performance from the point of view of how electronic music is received rather than how it is presented. Drawing on concepts found in “reception theory,” I will examine three levels of reception inherent in the performance of laptop music as used in the performance of contemporary electronic music. These three levels are: the grain of laptop performance, the sequence of historical linkages, and the system of super-culture and its effect of the reception apparatus of the public. --Boundary_(ID_BpTdStv7xST6sFx1XTgr7Q)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 18:05:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34778-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27095 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:05:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 27083 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:05:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:04:59 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.204] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 18:04:59.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[80DE7C50:01C52989] Yes, the low-latency kernel is really the key element of the DeMuDi distro for me, the rest are just downloadable packages. I've got Debian installed but I'm still new to Linux, so maybe there could be a twiki page devoted to step-by-step optimizing a Debian (or other) kernel and adding the ALSA drivers? It seems the DeMuDi project just involves a few modifications you can do on your own, if only you're comfortable with gathering the sources needed and recompiling the kernel... Thanks, David >From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:59:49 +0100 > >Hi David, > >best advice(s) for now are as follows: > >1) "Easiest": install Ubuntu for PPC and add normal Debian (possibly >unstable also) sources, then apt-get install the various packages you want. >Both Demudi and Ubuntu are Debian-based, so the inner core is the same. >However, Demudi has no PPC packages, so you'll miss out on the kernel. Kim >was already asking me about this, so maybe I'll take him up on his >suggestion to make a WIKKI page about it, as long as others here are >willing to file their own reports on how well it does or doesn't go. > >2) Install Debian or Gentoo for PPC and use their packages. Again, you'll >be missing the low-latency kernel. But you can always compile ;-) Most all >the apps you want should exist as packages for both platforms. I prefer >Gentoo these days because I find it more comfortable to configure, but many >Debian folks say the same thing, so the difference may just be academic. > >Happy to answer further ??'s as time allows. Otherwise, let's get together >on the WIKKI pages. > >best, >Derek > > > > >david golightly wrote: >>Apropos of Linux/PPC: >>Does anyone know of any plans to port the DeMuDi (Debian Music Distro) for >>PPC? This distro was initiated jointly by IRCAM and CCRMA, and I'd really >>like to get my hands on it - would save hours of headaches recompiling the >>kernel, tracking down audio-related packages, drivers, and programs etc... > > > >-- >derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl >---Oblique Strategy # 76: >"Give the game away" > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 17:51:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34777-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19758 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 19743 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:59:49 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi David, best advice(s) for now are as follows: 1) "Easiest": install Ubuntu for PPC and add normal Debian (possibly unstable also) sources, then apt-get install the various packages you want. Both Demudi and Ubuntu are Debian-based, so the inner core is the same. However, Demudi has no PPC packages, so you'll miss out on the kernel. Kim was already asking me about this, so maybe I'll take him up on his suggestion to make a WIKKI page about it, as long as others here are willing to file their own reports on how well it does or doesn't go. 2) Install Debian or Gentoo for PPC and use their packages. Again, you'll be missing the low-latency kernel. But you can always compile ;-) Most all the apps you want should exist as packages for both platforms. I prefer Gentoo these days because I find it more comfortable to configure, but many Debian folks say the same thing, so the difference may just be academic. Happy to answer further ??'s as time allows. Otherwise, let's get together on the WIKKI pages. best, Derek david golightly wrote: > Apropos of Linux/PPC: > Does anyone know of any plans to port the DeMuDi (Debian Music Distro) > for PPC? This distro was initiated jointly by IRCAM and CCRMA, and I'd > really like to get my hands on it - would save hours of headaches > recompiling the kernel, tracking down audio-related packages, drivers, > and programs etc... -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 76: "Give the game away" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 17:20:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34776-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4212 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:20:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 4202 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:20:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:20:42 -0500 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] DeMuDi (Linux distro) X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.204] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 17:20:42.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[5123C340:01C52983] Apropos of Linux/PPC: Does anyone know of any plans to port the DeMuDi (Debian Music Distro) for PPC? This distro was initiated jointly by IRCAM and CCRMA, and I'd really like to get my hands on it - would save hours of headaches recompiling the kernel, tracking down audio-related packages, drivers, and programs etc... Thanks, David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 17:19:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34775-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3039 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:19:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 3024 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:19:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:19:33 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Calika @ The Wire To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001601c52983$28b82ae0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The Wire have featured a Calika track in their mp3 archive :::: http://www.thewire.co.uk/mp3/calika.mp3 The track is taken from Audiobulb's Intricate Maximals compilation - out now at www.audiobulb.com Micro-glitch-groove-dub and guitar all in one track. Hope you enjoy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 06:23:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34771-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83273 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:23:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 83262 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:23:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:23:00 -0800 From: gintas k <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Homenaje To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: gintas k <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Message-id: <001701c5297b$41d5e420$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> Organization: gintas k MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2005 06:22:58.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E8CC5F0:01C52927] On the 15th March, Madrid, Spain will see it's "Homenaje", Homage CD Album released. The CD is a tribute to the spirit and the energy of the people who live in the Spanish City. The CD Album will be available to buy as of 15.03.05, at a price of Euro 11.03 plus post & Packaging. The CD features:Franciso Lopez, Jansky Noise ,Leafcutter John, Hamish Binns, Arc Gotic, Rec_Overflow, Makunouchi Bento, Infectator, Solypsis, Ruben Garcia, Tim Hecker, Jaap Blank, Wolfmangler, Danubius, SIQ V'S David Quirat, Silvania, Gintas K...and more The CD will be available to buy from the offical website as of 11.03.05, click here for more http://www.110304.com.es/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 08:15:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34774-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17848 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:15:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 17837 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:15:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:15:31 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live set online In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ume1gir2jPEsp8TNQLQZLpv2/18YQIEAGBci3axq9v/AtqKiKqrMEBHN09nWcehl9RZxHNp32yENu2glNzwujmROXHaeRz0+suqwVE84788/3WAdv/oeZptVpVr7X70wZbYuQFcnmvreKe6DxlUpv32gMN8PhtV83ijxB8P0Eko= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx gmail messed this url up for me too. it should be: http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 downloading now - thanks for sharing, stephan! best, jake On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:20:22 -0500, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:01:13 +0100, stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 > > i get a 404 [file not found] when i click this url. > > and while aesthetically, i like the presentation of informaion on your > site; i was not able to figure out how to navigate my way to this file > on my own. > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 07:18:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34773-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2971 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:18:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 2961 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:18:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:16:06 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Audiobulb Release + Site Info To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Jose Luis Gonzalez <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003601c5292f$204742f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <021c01c52880$86d5ca50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Jose, Thank you for your kind words - yes distribution is so important to the ongoing survival of a label. Our European distro is moving to the US though... so I will still be looking to find people across Scandinavia, France, Germany & Italy to begin with. Good luck to you too. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose Luis Gonzalez" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Audiobulb Release + Site Info So you finally find a distribution. I hope you have a good start with the label. We are starting also a house label (but haven´t released the first reference yet, je je). Good luck On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:10 -0000, David @ Audiobulb <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > 14.03.2005 :::: Audiobulb Record Release :::: > > Intricate Maximals is now released :::: > > DE:BUG: " Every track has a real body with tons of ideas and crazy > grooves - > torn apart but with a swinging attitude and most importantly the whole > thing > holds together very well." > > There are new sound extracts from the album at the site :::: > > Cedar A.V: http://tinyurl.com/637cv > > Ochre: http://tinyurl.com/4uuk7 > > The ABulb shop is now all paypal. Paypal now accepts both 'paypal' methods > of payment and secure credit/debit card transactions leaving the customer > the choice of how to pay. Buy Intricate Maximals for £6.90 here: > http://tinyurl.com/43zu4 > > Audiobulb website has been updated with added functionality and extra > switches. > > The sinewave switch has been replaced with a 'projects' switch - this will > enable us to embrace other open access projects in the coming year. > > Thank your for your support. > > Audiobulb Records > www.audiobulb.com - exploratory electronic music > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 04:12:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34770-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45286 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:12:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 45264 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:12:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] phoniq event - beta_lab - march 26th mtl To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dreaming.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx PHONIQ PRESENTS the second installment of BETA_LAB when: saturday march 26th 2005 where: cafe esperanza [in the back room] 5490 st-laurent, montreal, canada time: 9pm-2am how much: FREE BETA-LAB is a monthly night of electronic music collaberation and experimentation featuring phoniq resident artists: naw, cyan, scant intone, various, anton along side a variey of monthly guests. This month BETA-LAB will feature: aidan baker - live - [aidanbaker.org] - toronto des cailloux et du carbone - live - [natacha recodings] - montreal naw - live - [phoniq.net/noisefactoryrecords.com] - montreal djzeit - dj - [angle-rec.net] - montreal johnny ranger - vj - [mindroots.com] - montreal for more info visit: www.phoniq.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS RELEASE ABOUT BETA_LAB The PHONIQ collective brings you another twist on another year of electronic music showcases. This time around PHONIQ is happy to present BETA-LAB a monthly showcase of electronic music collaberation and experimentation. BETA-LAB will focus on teaming up resident PHONIQ artists with other members of the canadian electronic music community. BETA-LAB is a space for experimentation to try out new ideas, for artists to try out new ideas, projects, collaberations. a testing ground for laptop artists, hardware musicians, djs and video artists a like. every month a different project or projects will be presented. each of these events are designed to act as an exploration into the different intersections between technology and music/art making. BETA-LAB is not designed to feature one artist in particular but to act more as an equal testing ground for all, for both the performer and the audience member. the BETA-LAB series is about an ever changing creative process, each months event details will be announced at www.phoniq.net ABOUT PHONIQ: Phoniq is a collective of individuals dedicated to promoting bleeding edge electronic music by Canadians, with an emphasis on exposing talent that has not yet been exposed inside or outside of Canada. The concept for Phoniq has grown over the past year from the initial ideas of how to create a viable promotional vehicle for Canadian artists in electronic music into an active community mailing list, a net-label and resource tools. All of these aspects are in place in order to help the community to network and grow. In general, Phoniq has created a portal that should prove useful for anyone working in electronic music in Canada. THIS MONTHS ARTISTS: Aidan Baker (ARC, Nadja) TORONTO www.aidanbaker.org www.phoniq.net www.transientfrequency.com Aidan Baker is a musician & writer currently based in Toronto, Canada. He has released numerous cds on independent labels from around the world & is the author of 2 books of poetry, 2 poetry chapbooks, & has published poetry, fiction, & criticism in various international & scholarly journals. As a solo artist, Baker explores the deconstructive sonic possibilities of the electric guitar as a primary sound source, creating music that ranges from experimental/ambient to post-rock to contemporary classical. des Cailloux et du Carbone - (Natacha's Recordings) MONTREAL ingredients: marcello, laptop, household field recordings such as vibes and/or chopsticks, digital processing, errors, random sequences, may contain traces of house music. des cailloux et du carbone is marcello marandola; half of data-folk duo cian ethrie (lucky kitchen, natacha's recordings). also part of natacha's recording sound system and rivers and mountains. NAW - (Noise Factory Records, Phoniq) MONTREAL www.noisefactoryrecords.com www.phoniq.net montreal native neil wiernik began his explorations in electronic music making as early as 1988. known to push the boundaries of his musical form, naws music is a blend of sound manipulation/design, experimental music and dub-tech rhythms, which on the surface sound quite simple, but incorporate a number of touches that steer this artist away from being simply another minimal techno or experimental laptop artist. he combines post-house, dubby minimal techno, microsound and thick ambience, to create his own version of deep techno, house and other electronic laptop oriented musics. neil has released music on various national and international record labels, including recent releases on clever-music, and his follow up full length to his 2002 noise factory release called green nights orange days. he has recently returned from tours in france, germany, and canada. to co-enside with his recent releases on these labels and plans to return to europe this summer for more tours including a performance at the now legendary sonar festival in barcelona, spain. naw is currently preparing a new release for pertin_nce label (quebec city) due for release in early April 2005. DJZeit - (.Angle.Records) MONTREAL www.angle-rec.net One of the original founders of .Angle.Records in Montreal, With ..Angle.Records, Zeit's intent was and still is to promote artists and music from Montreal and Canada and beyond, not caring too much about prevailing trends, and with an affinity for obscure sounds, be they atmospheric or noisy, or in between. Evocative or challenging music made electronically or with any instrument actually. This gave an eclectic agenda so far. From technoid post industrial (Vromb from Montreal) to old-school weird analogue (Nos Royaumes from Montreal) to guitar-based drone bliss (Aidan Baker from Toronto) to glitchy and crushing dark-ambient (Monstrare and Wilt from the U.S.)^While the next release of .Angle.Rec. leans towards the more abrasive and harsh rhythmic side of things (Montreal^s emerging rhythmic noise artist LCEDP), DJZeit has a known (or not so known!) heavy fondness for, amongst others, immersive ambient, idm, and contemplative droney atmospheres ^with the occasional drift towards more experimental ventures. Well, this is exactly what he has in store for March 26th^ ^and those who, at some point, in 2002-2004, listened to DJZeit^s ^Dans L^Oeil De La Comete^ radio show on UQAM Web Radio and then on 102.3 Radio Centre-Ville, late at night, especially the last longer part, will be pleased! Johnny Ranger - (mindroots) MONTREAL www.mindroots.com The artistic projects of Johnny Ranger include VJING, Interdisciplinary Shows, Performances and Web art. He is the founder of Mindroots a sensuous poetic laboratory of non linear creation. He has been a regular at the SAT, he presented works at the Biennale d^art contemporain, the New Museum of Contemporary art in New York, EspaceTangente and at the Lachapelle theater amongs other. He is currently working on a new live performance of open ended audio-visual narratives entitled: The Dynamic Constellations which includes footages he has shot in Brazil, India, Indonesia and Canada. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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I hope you have a good start with the label. We are starting also a house label (but haven´t released the first reference yet, je je). Good luck On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:10 -0000, David @ Audiobulb <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > 14.03.2005 :::: Audiobulb Record Release :::: > > Intricate Maximals is now released :::: > > DE:BUG: " Every track has a real body with tons of ideas and crazy grooves - > torn apart but with a swinging attitude and most importantly the whole thing > holds together very well." > > There are new sound extracts from the album at the site :::: > > Cedar A.V: http://tinyurl.com/637cv > > Ochre: http://tinyurl.com/4uuk7 > > The ABulb shop is now all paypal. Paypal now accepts both 'paypal' methods > of payment and secure credit/debit card transactions leaving the customer > the choice of how to pay. Buy Intricate Maximals for £6.90 here: > http://tinyurl.com/43zu4 > > Audiobulb website has been updated with added functionality and extra > switches. > > The sinewave switch has been replaced with a 'projects' switch - this will > enable us to embrace other open access projects in the coming year. > > Thank your for your support. > > Audiobulb Records > www.audiobulb.com - exploratory electronic music > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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THANK YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework - phonography/field recording; contextual and decontextualized sound activity presented by patrick mcginley we exorcised some ghosts during this edition of framework - over the years our own personal biases have more often than not let us away from voices in our broadcasts (except for my own dulcet tones, of course). the structure of this broadcast, however, was inspired by an antipodean compilation entitled spoken and field, compiled by tim coster and out on a cdr label called claudia. it's 34 short tracks all feature the human voice in some capacity, from overheard conversations to poetry, interviews and family recordings. this opened a window through which both chris watson and felicity ford, two other recently vocal submitters, also jumped. all of these voices (the voices! the voices!) were not alone however - they were tempered by many other soothing sounds: the beautifully organic ambience of spiracle, some old favorite beequeen, and a few chloe invaders in the form of two jasons (kahn and lescalleet) and the united states of belt. our next edition (this friday, the 18th of march) is march's framework:focus program, featuring a visit from stasisfield curator john kannenberg. john is bringing many sounds from an online exhibition featuring familiar framework names (steve roden, sawako, john hudak...) entitled audible still life, and will also treat us to our first live studio set of 2005. hope you can listen! again, we are always looking for material for the show, whether raw field recordings, field recording based composition or introduction submissions. send material, released or not, on any format, to the address below. we are also hoping to have live performances as often as possible, so if you are in or passing through london please get in touch! framework 31 nevill road london n16 8sl uk xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11.03.05 this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 16.03.05, at 11:00am gmt (artist / title / album / label) ian cochran / framework intro recorded on a floating dock at the market on granville island, false creek, vancouver xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx beequeen / 10 minutes before the worm / sugarbush / raum 312 an old favorite, this track featuring plenty of water and a harmonising airplane http://www.beequeen.nl alicia frankovich / wooden trampoline / spoken and field (compilation) / claudia mostly unintelligible, we discern only an 'oh my god' and something about 'industrial'... xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx richard francis / tv remote control manual lost again / spoken and field (compilation) / claudia a conversation between grandmother and grandson? in any case, the electric knife will definitely not work... x.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx fiona connor / vanuatu 1 / spoken and field (compilation) / claudia maybe someone can translate these multiple voices and let us know? xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx chris watson / patagonia / two winds / - chris sets the scene for us by describing the setting of this dry, rustling wind http://www.chriswatson.net spiracle / exude / sympathetic field / octpia forest, fall, fog, insects, and wire recorded in oze (japan) and varanasi (india) xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx chris watson / mt. sarakura, japan / two winds / - no scene setting this time, but the locals are vocal http://www.chriswatson.net catherine garet / serkan and sara's ballad / spoken and field (compilation) / claudia a perspective on home and the splashing that goes with it xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx beequeen / the house i live in / sugarbush / raum 312 another not-quite-melodic gem of elemental scrapes from this 1995 (10 years!) release http://www.beequeen.nl felicity ford / conversation with rajesh mehta / - / - what are the implications of discussing the means of capturing your discussion? http://www.littlesongbox.co.uk felicity ford / girlsong / - / - how did this little girl know what key to sing in the match the beequeen number she's being mixed with? http://www.littlesongbox.co.uk grace blindell / excerpt from recordings of gaza / spoken and field (compilation) / claudia a cityscape of voices and discussion, a good learner xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx felicity ford / jamming in a field in ireland with diarmiud, his broken guitar, and a horse that tried to eat (a) my hat (b) my microphone / - / - perhaps my own subtle bowing of the head to the upcoming st patrick's day and all it's glorious music http://www.littlesongbox.co.uk spiracle / frux / sympathetic fields / octpia clear tones leading us from our reel derived from water and its devices xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx united states of belt / ping pong holiday / welcome to pancake alley / chloe/champ they say ping pong, blueberry pancakes, fireworks, wamagadoon, plus much more... and they mean it! http://www.chloechloe.cc, http://www.champrecords.com jason kahn / jason lescalleet / dronevil3 / red room / chloe field recording? maybe - there are 'tapes' in the credits. but who's counting anyway? http://www.chloechloe.cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework intro submissions: 1) take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice 2) record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you - 3) read the following text: welcome to framework. framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition. field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen! 4) continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking 5) send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia. drop in here to have a look: http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php framework 2003 resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting rob grant & melanie clifford / framework intro thomas dimuzio / unearth & lift and spear / sonicism / rrrecords chris watson / river mara at night / stepping into the dark / touch johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux toy bizarre / - / kdi dctb 116 / absurd murmer / liquid solid / definition / absurd jgrzinich & seth nehil / the distant edge / confluence / intransitive seth nehil & jgrzinich / the mirrored corner / stria / erewhon annette lissauer / framework intro toby paddock / air, surface and magnetic vibrations / - / - steve roden / - / resonant cities / trente oiseaux francisco lopez / untitled #101 / untitled (2000) / ignis projekt mnortham / ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org the quiet american / donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org steve barsotti / trainyard presence / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org k. m. krebs / jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan) / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org david daniell / highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm / sem / antiopic joyce hinterding / - / spectral / antiopic/sigma editions david daniell / dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am / sem / antiopic tacet ncv / live on framework jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler / live on framework dallas simpson / framework intro --Boundary_(ID_ID6wv0M74ejjpqmh4H3b/A)-- From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 21:50:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34767-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11984 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:50:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 11972 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:50:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:47:00 +0100 From: "Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a few things To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <079f01c528df$eb6797a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > 'Our mailing lists are public forums, and our mailing list archives are > public. > By sending an email to such a public forum, you agree to public > distribution of your article. All mails sent to any of our mailing > lists will be publically distributed and archived in our mailing list > archives.' > > - please realize that this is a *public* forum and that anything you > post here will be published for *public* consumption... But will messages be forced into public domain and void of author's rights as well? Regards from Glenn Folkvord Hyperion Media - arts and media development xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 21:35:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34766-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5914 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:35:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 5903 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:35:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:35:14 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Origin, Process or Outcome In-reply-to: <002b01c528bf$81091d90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1038-F405DD3694D011D9A8C4000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David @ Audiobulb wrote on 3/14/05: >What determines that a piece of music or a sound is 'Microsound'? Herbert Brun once said: "If ever there will be a technological era worth talking about, it will be thanks to technologists and composers. By their joint efforts, extended over a prolonged period, they may contrive to emancipate thought from language sufficiently for a rehabilitation of both and, continuing from that, to introduce an era for mankind in which every thought has its language and where all people have at their disposal a device that will respond to each person's input according to the language stipulated by that person." <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 21:23:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34765-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99565 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:23:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 99555 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:23:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Mr. Zero" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] texts In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-hollyfeld.org-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-hollyfeld.org-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ont he topic of texts there's a copy of Miller Puckette's "Theory and technique of electronic music" online at http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node1.html He tries to keep the theory sections divorced from the application (in this case PD) and does a decent job. Interesting reading if you like a little science in your music. On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Kim Cascone wrote: } I have two texts on the Hotline server...in the main_files/misc/reading } directory } look for CMJ-Cascone and LaptopMusic2 } } } --------------------------------------------------------------------- } To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx } For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx } website: http://www.microsound.org } -- xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero AIM: SeanGmz Livejournal: http://mrzero.livejournal.com Key: 0xA4BE22DB ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Everything we can't contain, denied to the enemy." D. Detwiler --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 21:20:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34764-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97520 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:19:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 97509 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:19:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:17:06 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] texts To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have two texts on the Hotline server...in the main_files/misc/reading directory look for CMJ-Cascone and LaptopMusic2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 19:40:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34763-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61407 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:40:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 61397 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:40:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:45:19 +0200 From: Christos Carras <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Owen Green wrote: > > That's true, but unfortunately not in its entirety (though I'd > reccomend the book nonetheless). i find that a very frustrating aspect of the book: there are many texts that are only partially reproduced, like a sample of someones thinking. personally, i would have prefered fewer but complete texts. cc > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 15 06:27:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34772-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86201 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:27:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 86191 invoked from network); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:27:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:20:22 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live set online In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KiEUtl8HijMoFL60T3bc9ugrUE7qaduIpyj1AO0C35cPMkJajJYX5bdSnj2DjNvKcBgz1rJIWVnccyh2A+PbT2sGgPF4/5tXqg+P9sw06ToAqY5VotwLI9Qg6udZwFo1sNysDM8sEmttSxG5Qae6tKjbeRLFRCFnKWggDIMZ8HU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:01:13 +0100, stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 i get a 404 [file not found] when i click this url. and while aesthetically, i like the presentation of informaion on your site; i was not able to figure out how to navigate my way to this file on my own. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 18:10:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34762-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22602 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:09:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 22591 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:09:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:09:56 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] contact copenhagen In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AussVwfjE4dRBnC72ovmdX5JIiLxUNpKT9kr3MYF3NlkxUAczkVaw6GRv/Hfx/j5U8yCrPTzCb2wgygk6eoiQ5QS7ytZi793v4/BpljPt51tznG3fVIXstyR99Wd0vJy/qikwMet3quDeWWiWl5yI/zVeq2IRZsffO6FK4CDJio= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm in copenhagen with a few days off from projects and wondering who an electro-acoustic musician with microsonic tendencies and poetics should be in touch with here...i'm staying in vanlosen near the metro line so i can get into the center pretty quickly... --jeff gburek www.djalma.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Mon Mar 14 18:01:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34761-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19589 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:01:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 19579 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:01:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:01:13 +0100 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] live set online In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1038-0E0CBE5594B311D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.115.123]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello i've uploaded a set recorded live at interplay london on feb.10th to http://www.bitsteam.de/dasindub.mp3 (30MB) the piece is based on material by douglas benford/si.cut-db who performed his version of my sound imediately afterwards. the file will be available for a week. best wishes - stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 17:59:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34760-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17674 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:58:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 17662 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:58:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:59:00 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Origin, Process or Outcome To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002b01c528bf$81091d90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is one of those discussions where I am sure points will be raised from both camps > but I'm interested in what points are raised and why.... In terms of 'Microsound' - as a genre/a sound philosophy/an affiliation...... already points are being raised.... What determines that a piece of music or a sound is 'Microsound'? Is it where it came from - the origin? Is it the way it was treated, changed or arranged - the process? Is it the way it sounds when it is finished - the outcome? David @ Audiobulb www.audiobulb.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 17:31:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34759-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6619 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:31:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 6604 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:31:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:31:13 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] a few things To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx>, tad <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ok I have a few things I want to put out there for rumination: - microsound list=public: 'Our mailing lists are public forums, and our mailing list archives are public. By sending an email to such a public forum, you agree to public distribution of your article. All mails sent to any of our mailing lists will be publically distributed and archived in our mailing list archives.' - the excerpt above is from a disclaimer which will be added to the microsound homepage...we were recently asked to 'scrub' an archived email of a posters name/content...besides from the obvious legal implications - scrubbing an email contained in a server backup or archive is quite unethical to do or to be asked to do... - please realize that this is a *public* forum and that anything you post here will be published for *public* consumption...so, if you send an email to the list you don't feel entirely confident about then you shouldn't have hit the 'send' button...sorry...you and you alone are responsible for what you type into your computer - not the microsound founders or our hosting provider hyperreal... - contribution: I can't speak for Andy or Sean and I don't need to defend myself here but I'm not the moderator or main catalyst for this list...with that said though, if you look at the projects page you'll see that I have been responsible for starting every single one of the music projects over the past five years...my life has changed quite a bit since starting this list with Andy and Sean: I am no longer working in Silicon Valley, my son is almost a teenager, I work and travel in Europe a great deal, I'm involved in performing, teaching workshops and creating sound installations and I admin my touring schedules for spring and fall which consumes most of my day for months at a time... so the time I have available for initiating microsound projects, hand-holding them through the various stages of production, checking if the uploaded filenames are correctly formatted, coordinating the 'release' with the web team, emailing graphic designers w/r/t web design, etc., etc., etc., has diminished to the point where I just don't have the time to devote to microsound projects these days...nor do I have time to contribute to the list as far as discussion goes either due to not always having internet access while on the road and whenever I *am* on my computer I'm either performing, conducting a workshop, giving a lecture, debugging my Linux laptop or in my studio working on writing or sound projects... but most importantly this list is not about me or my vision alone -- this list is made up off many many talented and capable people who are free to contribute to discussions, start music projects, add to the TWiki site, create a sample library on the hotline server or whatever... I have said this many times: please feel free to make this list what you want it -- so long as it rides alongside the founders mission statement... announcements-microsound: I'm planning on taking this route...there is a tendency over the past five years for microsound to be seen as a genre (this could be a whole discussion in itself) and this creates a situation where a community begins to rely on outside legitimization and begins to assume the identity hoisted upon it from journalists and other public forums -- (in a nutshell: microsound is a community not a genre)...so all announcements regarding concerts, cd releases, radio lists, etc. will be routed to an announcements list so people who aren't interested in taking part in discussions about microsound aesthetics and philosophy can go to this other list for information they feel is important to them... this is not about exclusion since the boundaries between the two lists is a) artificial, 2) merely put in place to organize information and 3) not meant to diminish the importance or relevance of announcing info about content to building a community...it is foolish to think that there is any sort of snobbery or exclusion going on - that is not the case at all...so please try to think first and have an open mind before tossing around assumption and conjecture... once again John Saylor is donating his busy time to setting up this adjunct list for us and I once again thank him for all his hard work...I also want to thank Tad for his time spent combing out the snarls in the archives...this sort of contribution is what makes this community thrive... I will keep everyone posted about the announcements-microsound list but it should go live in the next month or so... set intersection: there is a lot of overlap between the praxis and theory of digital music (microsound/laptop/post-digital/place your label here) and I don't want to imply that asking about how to do something technically is verboten on this list...I welcome posts about Linux audio and the implications of moving to/using this platform both politically and aesthetically...I welcome thoughts about new software and how it can be used in ways perhaps not thought of by the developers...I welcome information about composers who might not be known to a certain part of the world (reference: a past thread regarding the noticeable lack of discussion/sharing info about female and Latino composers), and all this fits into the general concept of the microsound list as being a place where we can explore new ideas about digital music...so please don't hesitate to ask the list about how to do something technically so long as this is not your sole contribution to the community and there is some netiquette around the post like possibly including an [ot] in the subject line if you're not sure whether the microsound list is an appropriate forum for your question... rule of thumb: whenever I'm asked something like: 'I want to post something about my new CD but I'm not sure if this sort of thing is Kosher on the microsound list' -- I say this: it's like a bank, you can only take out what you've already put in...so for those who contribute philosophically/musically to the community and build an account of good karma points (like /.) feel free to post an occasional mention of a project or something...for those who don't contribute to the microsound community and want to post an email about a concert, cd or something they are doing in public, you may do so on the adjunct announcements list which will be starting soon... OK that's all...hopefully we can reboot this list and bring back the interesting discussions we are sorely lacking these days... peace KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 16:24:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34758-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82303 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:24:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 82290 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:24:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:24:39 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hotline In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> yes it might be... is this available anywhere on-line >> or in digest form of some kind? > if the paper is not on the hotline server then I will put it up there > later today...along with two other papers I've written about > aesthetics... Just out of curiosity Kim, why does microsound use Hotline instead of plain old FTP? Surely FTP is better than a proprietary protocol, no? Is there a good linux hotline client btw? A textual one ideally... I don't care for GtkHx and the like. Text works nicely with Ion2. The official Mac client is pretty atrocious too.. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 16:10:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34757-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78941 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:10:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 78931 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:10:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:07:32 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] hotline To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > yes it might be... is this available anywhere on-line > or in digest form of some kind? > if the paper is not on the hotline server then I will put it up there later today...along with two other papers I've written about aesthetics... let me know if you can't find it and I'll put up a copy thanks! 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Mon Mar 14 15:57:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34756-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74627 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:56:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 74616 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:56:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound list content In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ESMRd73t3F9s+pkqVXjhi1WvlrbINLeaZ5Da51FXy3k5eLqzWPRtTjFM4d/angTofcT+5kCR1QuCkaO4UdFVXpBheHg0b167yosNOrD6Mi3SmCWuACqJWilKZ6Nc72ZmSUzAQJ2CcuHG5v+KF8pME36qcOYD0oc4BClF5I3LACE= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've always liked microsound, and I don't mind people posting listings. What I dislike is that people don't edit their messages, and frequently repost pages of threads along with their answers. Peter Lasell www.abattoir.com/~flint/index.htm www.bossanova.com/lasell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Mon Mar 14 15:56:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34755-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73602 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:56:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 73584 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:56:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:56:13 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] gourmet food To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > and most of all do not enjoy the extended back-and-forth philosphical > posts... suggestion: if you don't like rich gourmet food then stay out of French restaurants it seems to me that you might have not joined the list if you had first read the mission statement on the home page --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 15:31:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34754-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66778 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:31:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 66768 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:31:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:31:38 +0000 From: Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline wrote: > It's also anthologized as chapter 57 of Audio Culture, the book edited > by Christoph Cox that I mentioned in a previous email. That's true, but unfortunately not in its entirety (though I'd reccomend the book nonetheless). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 14:58:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34753-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55558 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 55548 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:58:34 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Tm/Cx9/Jn4OWi2s7hfHzjUKsaYPx75UVMeQ0TtyvC8Dwn5K/7JvVktduQ+yUH9qZGefhRGMxMXSF27Wshc6ne5WqJ8Tyq3sTRriPR1ephZBeq4kFN73yuWz0WOKBy7ymh6W6R8GWaxhbltZ//d/ZhXvGe5x5JiEiZ/vGw5lk0KA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:00:05 +0000, Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > jeff gburek wrote: > > > yes it might be... is this available anywhere on-line > > or in digest form of some kind? > > PDF of CMJ article: > http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/COMJ/CMJ24_4Cascone.pdf > It's also anthologized as chapter 57 of Audio Culture, the book edited by Christoph Cox that I mentioned in a previous email. -- Phonograph, n. 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Mon Mar 14 14:07:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34752-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42036 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:07:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 42026 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:07:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:07:51 +0100 From: herv=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= boghossian <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] LIST events and related ones, soon ! In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5B5946.9218%xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi all, THIS WEEK ! 16.03.05 ERBAN > Nantes (fr) :: at 5pm Performance by Herve Boghossian & Debate during the "Point d'orgue" colloquium on "visual & sound arts . www.erba-nantes.fr/ 18.03.05 / 03.04.05 Glassbox , Paris (fr) ::exhibition : Steinbruchel "Opaque" - 2003* (+ exhibition of Dominique Blais "Deaf Room"- 2005) Opening at 17.03.05 at 6.30 pm http://www.glassbox.be NEXT EVENTS : 26.03.05 Les Voutes > Paris (fr) ::live : Plateformes : Herve Boghossian/Stephane Rives/Matthieu Saladin http://www.lesvoutes.org 28.04.05 Centre Culturel Suisse > Paris (fr) :: sound installation and live set by Steinbruchel & Bernd schurer http://ccsparis.com NOW AVAILABLE ! 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Mon Mar 14 13:33:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34751-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29688 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:32:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 29678 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:32:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:32:58 +0000 From: "cyrk. admin." <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] ||CYRK|| Monthly event || Mattin, The Bohman Brothers, Clive Graham. X-Originating-IP: [84.43.57.58] X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2005 13:32:58.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[56370C50:01C5289A] The second of a new monthly experimental music\sound event. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cyrk Mattin, The Bohman Brothers, Clive Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mattin - computer feedback from the basque country, runs w.m.o record label Mattins collaboration with Radu Malfatti was one of The Wire's top 100 albums of last year. http://www.mattin.org/ The Bohman Brothers - Live performance Their sound art oscillates between the absurd and the grotesque to highly articulate explorations of extra musical sounds. ''They will show you fear in a sponge from a drainer'' Ben Watson The Wire. Adam's unmissable 'Talking Tapes' are currently being aired on Resonance Fm (wednesdays 18:30) www.xs4all.nl/~lukas/pagina/bohmans.htm Clive Graham - Guest Dj set. Paradigm disks label owner and active member of improvising group Morphogenisis. Hosts the excellent 'Sound Poets Exposed' show on Resonance Fm (sundays 18:15) Expect to hear obscure electronic and experimental rareties. http://www.stalk.net/paradigm/ + Cyrk Dj's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thursday 24th March 2005 // 07:30pm - 01:00am // door £3 / £5 after 11pm @ Bardens Boudoir, 38-44 Stoke Newington Road London N16 xxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.bardensbar.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 11:26:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34750-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1302 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:26:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 1292 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:26:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:25:44 +0100 From: "Remco Bladel, van" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] (OT maybe) STEIM internship??? In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7sQgkD3Qu1UeOe63cAqirg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_7sQgkD3Qu1UeOe63cAqirg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Kk, I did a few workshops at Steim and it is a great place to explore new stuff. 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Mon Mar 14 11:02:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34749-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92770 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:02:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 92760 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:02:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:00:05 +0000 From: Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx jeff gburek wrote: > yes it might be... is this available anywhere on-line > or in digest form of some kind? PDF of CMJ article: http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/COMJ/CMJ24_4Cascone.pdf html version (perhaps not all of it?) http://www.mediamatic.net/article-200.5950.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 10:28:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34748-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39244 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 39232 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:10 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Audiobulb Release + Site Info To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <021c01c52880$86d5ca50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 14.03.2005 :::: Audiobulb Record Release :::: Intricate Maximals is now released :::: DE:BUG: " Every track has a real body with tons of ideas and crazy grooves - torn apart but with a swinging attitude and most importantly the whole thing holds together very well." There are new sound extracts from the album at the site :::: Cedar A.V: http://tinyurl.com/637cv Ochre: http://tinyurl.com/4uuk7 The ABulb shop is now all paypal. Paypal now accepts both 'paypal' methods of payment and secure credit/debit card transactions leaving the customer the choice of how to pay. Buy Intricate Maximals for £6.90 here: http://tinyurl.com/43zu4 Audiobulb website has been updated with added functionality and extra switches. The sinewave switch has been replaced with a 'projects' switch - this will enable us to embrace other open access projects in the coming year. Thank your for your support. Audiobulb Records www.audiobulb.com - exploratory electronic music --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 10:14:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34747-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36394 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:14:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 36384 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:14:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vxqbJ+nn4J1e1pCCNu0RA+ocxSBnQDXr591fSBLlHaSquIjJgpfljoxWo8So4TCr5PVpuNX9vUPKZWNcUibhjRihde/m4gDKFUeBfZe4Igg4dKMqfZCGo+y1+wh+93A8XGRO5TkfRypjWH+gt8zX7hoZWQKWuI/LGUsmWLM16ew= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the document appeared on Computer Music Journal > 4 or5 years ago. > the world might be different from that time. yes it might be... is this available anywhere on-line or in digest form of some kind? curiously your, jeff gburek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Mon Mar 14 07:21:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34746-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99488 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:21:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 99476 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:21:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:21:10 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] lane line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Qz+pgLWyb7hd1Pj8Y/IWe+N9tH4WecSK0JKhVeeHfOgZWXeoLQyS2o6pIV8fmnGAzk08IoFotmXBHPH82B4jsoeFgw7CXYNTJBOxqPbXQrk6n5NtBrSZikcezr+dzEGPWyHm14FDpVqPY1Hd5hy+uG12j6tepcFhHLDEE1WuvLw= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One way to do this is without using a landline but rather use a VOIP connect. I have used Skype (google if you don't know what skype is) to make the call, then WireTap to record it. You need LineIn as well, to run the sound of your voice going into the mic (the mic that is going into the computer or on a powerbook/ibook), out to the speakers as well so that WireTap gets all the sounds that are happening. It won't pick up your voice otherwise, has been my experience. Now, with nicecast going you could conceivably do all kinds of interviews even perhaps jam with others near or far vis-a-vis the conference call abilities of skype, and have all the sounds, broadcasting out on the net. This has yet to be fully explored/tapped as far as I know, for internet radio event possibilities... I am interested in getting that going... particularly a kind of post-situationist sound (micro and concrete, etc.) action/happening across wide regions over skype or other (reliable) VOIP, live. anyone else? - andrew __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 14 06:51:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34745-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92699 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:51:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 92689 invoked from network); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:51:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:51:14 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hq9s7095HA1b/xSF3933RQc0vIKPQtMvC4Xadyd5XiC32TamVyzZBce64AruXcwmLV/xHLfVbcbhbEfGOZ5gyBbHpfq+05CcDXD1cU0whLsDVUburt29VGc+hDWsC4scefhZCgdWtic9clf3EKpUka1LbnrRE1A3euSDHzyuAEw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001401c5272c$a1cae480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> <000101c527a6$d07a2f50$xxxxxxxx@xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:46:02 -0500, graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > i wasn't going to bring this up, but aside from the odd link, every two > months, which occasionally starts a thread, where is the participation of > said list creator(s)? i hardly see any input or interaction. maybe it's > all off list? lurking? aside from starting threads with single sentence > posts, i don't see a lot of effort on behalf of the 'admin' staff in > engaging anyone else's opinions or thoughts... I dont mean to speak for Kim here, but as for me, I don't participate as much anymore because there really is an overwhelming amount of what I would term "noise." But as Aaron so ably put it, it's my "noise," not necessarily yours. I read through most of the posts with my brain turned off, occasionally waking up when somebody says something snotty about Adorno or something, only then wishing I had stayed asleep or was perhaps acting as if someone really had indeed woken me up from a sublime slumber in saying as much. Playlists, announcements for concerts I'll never be able to attend, an arcane technical question dealing with a program or PC--these are the routine clicks of my list somnolence. I scan through them and delete, not even remembering what 90% of them are about. But, yeah, a bit of a beefy discussion about musical aesthetics of any kind would likely wake me out of this lumbering state, but I'd be hard pressed to start one right now because I don't really have anything to say off the top of my head in this vein. I've been reading Negri & Hardt's Multitude at the moment rather than about musical aesthetics, but I did just buy a copy of Christoph Cox' Audio Culture, which I hope to get to soon. So maybe we can read and discuss that on this list at some point. We never did get very deep into David Toop's Haunted Weather, so that might be worth coming back to. Or perhaps we should just discuss KIm's Aesthetics of Failure or just the Failure of Aesthetics. -- Phonograph, n. An irritating toy that restores life to dead noises. Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 23:46:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34744-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81232 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:46:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 81218 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:46:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:46:02 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001401c5272c$a1cae480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> <000101c527a6$d07a2f50$xxxxxxxx@xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline wrote: > Kim, since this problem comes around every 6-8 months or so, and since > the philosophers, quasi-philosophers, and quasi-theorists end up being > told how boring they are relative to all the other enlightening > activity going on around here, I'd almost suggest forming another list > devoted entirely to the subject you describe: the aesthetics of > digital and post-digital music. There's little point in fighting the > force of "noise." i wasn't going to bring this up, but aside from the odd link, every two months, which occasionally starts a thread, where is the participation of said list creator(s)? i hardly see any input or interaction. maybe it's all off list? lurking? aside from starting threads with single sentence posts, i don't see a lot of effort on behalf of the 'admin' staff in engaging anyone else's opinions or thoughts... but maybe it's a chicken and the egg kind of deal... i dunno. just some observations... then again, i'm not busy travelling the world and being a professional performing musician. i get to sit here, chained to my computer, and keep score:) g. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 23:33:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34743-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77924 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:33:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 77914 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:33:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:33:18 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "The aesthetics of failure have failed -- we must make them work again!" Sorry, I can never read that without that ringing in my mind. Speaking of signal/noise, I think we need way more metadiscussion of the liberat[ed/ing] aesthetic possibilities inherent in the failure of this *discussion group,* especially viz. the "noise" in it. One person's noise is another's lovesong, isn't that why we're here? </troll> snap crackle pop, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 22:59:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34742-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69874 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:58:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 69864 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:58:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:58:56 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <000101c527a6$d07a2f50$xxxxxxxx@xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=roB5HdDa6Jcu/YY2mBxlfOdlqPg8PePSE9HJmM27Zn8KKirM1L0xy5uF9Q4Z2PuZLLqWQYR5y6mHavCePZ9+sTwqr6+tdeR7u8INaLr5N/sc4PEhWtojd1ONIMrxxw0pUE21ItbRO2RUeVudxSvZw3F54nHTRpbWZbNiLgyXf/s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <001401c5272c$a1cae480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> <000101c527a6$d07a2f50$xxxxxxxx@xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim, since this problem comes around every 6-8 months or so, and since the philosophers, quasi-philosophers, and quasi-theorists end up being told how boring they are relative to all the other enlightening activity going on around here, I'd almost suggest forming another list devoted entirely to the subject you describe: the aesthetics of digital and post-digital music. There's little point in fighting the force of "noise." Failing that, though, perhaps people could talk about what they are reading or have read recently that is music-related or about the aesthetics of recent disc acquisitions. For myself, I like the links that people send around about articles adjacently connected to the list content, like the one today about how music gets stuck in the head. And occasionally, it's nice to get a link from someone like John Nowak about AIDS in Africa, since it's never good to stick one's head in the sand, even on a music list :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 22:09:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34741-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56910 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:09:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 56892 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:09:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:09:01 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MIDI Comm Problems with Logic In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1038-81A45DF4940C11D9A7B6000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx matthew faulkner wrote on 3/13/05: >Hi, this is my 1st e-mail 2 the website, and I've been informed this >is the place to go if I want any answers regarding my digital setup. Hahahaha!! I'd email <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxx>. Our answers would be of an abstract nature, like "why MIDI in the first place?" With all due plateaux, good luck with your setup! mille pardons, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 21:02:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34740-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36676 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:02:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 36665 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:02:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:02:36 +0000 From: matthew faulkner <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] MIDI Comm Problems with Logic X-Originating-IP: [62.255.32.13] X-Sender: xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 21:02:37.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC4DBA20:01C5280F] Hi, this is my 1st e-mail 2 the website, and I've been informed this is the place to go if I want any answers regarding my digital setup. I have recently encountered a problem with Logic and my MIDI keyboard communication; two weeks ago, the communication seized completely. The connections are fine, the settings between both are exactly the same and the keyboard still works with other programs. There is only 1 cable going from the out on my keyboard to the in on my soundcard. The keyboard is a Yamaha AN1X, I'm am using Logic 5.5.1 on a PC running XP and my soundcard is an M-Audio 24/96. Thankyou, I look forward to your ideas Regards Matt Faulkner _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 17:19:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34739-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84826 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:18:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 84816 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:18:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:18:55 +0900 From: Shinjiro_Yamaguchi <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Webmail-inter7 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all, I read Kim Cascone's "The Aesthetics of Failure" translated in Japanese on a japanese magazine "Eureka" this month. I sent e-mail to microsound in order to share impressions of it. I also think Failure is the most accidental and interesting things for music. because it is above our thought. the document is very interesting for me because I didn't know well about history of this genre such as noise and experimental. but the document appeared on Computer Music Journal 4 or5 years ago. the world might be different from that time. progress of technology and Kim's thought, too. anyway, my Japanese friends read and like the document, who is listening to noise music. and I want to read others written by Kim, especially about present noise/experimental music. or other's interesting documents you know? but I can read only in Japanese.. any helps all the best Shinjiro Yamaguchi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 17:10:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34738-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82511 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:10:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 82500 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:10:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:03:40 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] microsound URL archive... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Mfwn+WCCsA+ve3Bq/w7EYqvSqg9bAIjMK9CbrvkyhpUuOytb9i/4pzG/z9Av6wQtO0nlAndDbGnSnseSPsHh+DU1GmW+Vg9jA481iEfNDs+2h8i0pB+vQYycR9ED5Im862CJQhQLuI0GqZPuWuPHXeZLyhM7jwc+rtfpK6EP8H8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:10:16 -0500, vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > So I've posted > an archive of all the URLs that have ever been posted to the > microsound list a very interesting data set- thx! -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 15:11:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34737-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57896 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:11:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 57880 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:11:22 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:10:16 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] microsound URL archive... In-reply-to: <r02010400-1038-39F8001A937011D9AD0F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1038-020BD3DF93D211D9A7B6000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One of the things my indexing software does is throw off a list of URLs that weren't followed as part of the indexing process. So I've posted an archive of all the URLs that have ever been posted to the microsound list here: <http://www.propheticdesire.com/microsound/microsound.html> There are 1,789 of them. Somehow I thought there would be more, but myabe that's a lot... Enjoy! Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 08:29:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34736-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73876 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:29:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 73866 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:29:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:29:43 +1100 From: Noel+Jai <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <001401c5272c$a1cae480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000101c527a6$d07a2f50$xxxxxxxx@xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Original Message----- From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2005 3:55 AM To: microsound Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) this leaves such a bad taste in my brain... at least one of the people on your list still post his adverts on a regular basis, without any commentary... i enjoy the links to music, enjoy opinions which refer to interesting relevant musics & arts & software... do not enjoy the playlists, and most of all do not enjoy the extended back-and-forth philosphical posts... those quickly lose any interesting material within the first 3 posts or so... then turn into endless quasi-political quagmires... i prefer an open forum... most of all, i get the impression that perhaps some would prefer to eject the "non-professional" participants so you can have elite-only dialogs... but then i am suspicious of anyone who seeks to define what is "intelligent" and believes "iq" is meaningful in quantifying something which is not-measurable, imhofwiw... the coldness and exclusionary attitude is often reflected in the sounds made... i find... ~will soderberg experimental artist with a day job Yes Will I agree wholeheartedly And sorry about the typos in my previous post! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 08:26:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34735-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72141 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:26:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 72130 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:26:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:26:39 +1100 From: Noel+Jai <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c527a6$63a661f0$xxxxxxxx@xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Derke holzer wrote: >Early on, this list was a real haven for intellectual discussion about >issues surrounding what Kim calls "post-digital" music. But I think we've >already seen some of our brightest minds disappear because of the >general drop in IQ of the average post Maybe this flags that there are two ways at looking at the signal to noise ratio. The noise might be getting stronger, but perhaps the signals are getting weaker. So perhaps there are two paths to take here. Reduce some of the noise and increase some of the signal. One for the that to happen is for the people with a wealth of philosophical and conceptual thought to share could share it more. I feel I have a lot to learn from this list. And, also as someone habiting the southern side of the planet, I find it very useful to learn of what is happen in Europe and Nth America. Cheers Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 13 03:30:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34734-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59405 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:30:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 59389 invoked from network); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:30:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:30:19 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] microsound archives updated and searchable... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1038-39F8001A937011D9AD0F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 1 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx derek holzer wrote on 3/12/05: >general drop in IQ of the average post. Go back and look at the early >archives and count the number of amazing folks (many of whom were quite >happy to contribute in list project) who almost never participate >anymore: Akira Rabelais(R. Ecalcitrance), Taylor Deupree, Stephan >Mathieu, Ross Healy(Cray), Greg Taylor(C74), Philip Sherburne, TV Pow, >Steve Roden, Richard Chartier... Apropos of Derek's comment, I got the indexes built finally and the list archive is searchable and updated to February, 2005. Beware that the engine, although it'll tell you that you have 923 hits, actually can only display the first 100. You can get another 100 if you sort by time, forward and reverse. I'll investigate to see what I can do to configure this... <http://www.propheticdesire.com/microsound/microsound.html> Enjoy! Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 17:57:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34733-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11107 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:56:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 11091 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:56:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:55:07 -0500 From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001401c5272c$a1cae480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this leaves such a bad taste in my brain... at least one of the people on your list still post his adverts on a regular basis, without any commentary... i enjoy the links to music, enjoy opinions which refer to interesting relevant musics & arts & software... do not enjoy the playlists, and most of all do not enjoy the extended back-and-forth philosphical posts... those quickly lose any interesting material within the first 3 posts or so... then turn into endless quasi-political quagmires... i prefer an open forum... most of all, i get the impression that perhaps some would prefer to eject the "non-professional" participants so you can have elite-only dialogs... but then i am suspicious of anyone who seeks to define what is "intelligent" and believes "iq" is meaningful in quantifying something which is not-measurable, imhofwiw... the coldness and exclusionary attitude is often reflected in the sounds made... i find... ~will soderberg experimental artist with a day job ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek holzer" <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) > Dear micronauts, > > Michael Andrew Doherty wrote: > > I heartily agree with the need to converse about our art and music in a > > community (like the Europeans). > > As do I, being an adopted European ;-) > > But I will fess up that I was one of the people to wrote to Kim off-list > about an announce-only version of microsound. And the reason being the > opposite of what you might think! The discussion that has come up around > this particular topic might be some of the better discussion I've seen > in months around here. I asked for an announce version of the list > because I've gotten disappointed in the level of discussion that mostly > happens lately. > > I guess I'll just come out and say it: this is NOT the IDM list. Early > on, this list was a real haven for intellectual discussion about issues > surrounding what Kim calls "post-digital" music. But I think we've > already seen some of our brightest minds disappear because of the > general drop in IQ of the average post. Go back and look at the early > archives and count the number of amazing folks (many of whom were quite > happy to contribute in list project) who almost never participate > anymore: Akira Rabelais(R. Ecalcitrance), Taylor Deupree, Stephan > Mathieu, Ross Healy(Cray), Greg Taylor(C74), Philip Sherburne, TV Pow, > Steve Roden, Richard Chartier... > > For me at least, microsound is not a fanboy music list, and it's not a > blog where you can just copy/paste whatever off-topic junk you absorbed > from other mass-internet-media whenever you get an itch in your ass. And > cheesy one-liners or negative slapdowns by kids with lots of opinions > formed in their bedrooms and little experience to back it up don't > contribute to any kind of real discussion either. > > But, by and large, this is what I've found on this list increasingly. So > I've stopped paying much attention to the banter and concentrated on > announcements of what my peers are up to, no matter where they happen to > reside or perform. So if there were a version of microsound which > focused on the interesting releases and events and left the blogboy > babble out of the picture, I'd glady move over for a while till the > fluff settles. > > best wishes, > derek > > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 36: > "Consult other sources > -promising > -unpromising" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 17:23:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34732-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89348 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:23:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 89337 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:23:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:23:03 +0100 (CET) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: noise to signal /DJALMA In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello everybody, Following the Signal to Noise thread, and as a somehow "motivating" part of it, I must say we try Onda Sonora to be not only a radio playlist, but also an informative source (to place artists in listener's mind by giving, instead of critical reviews, more technical or artistic information) and a reference for events happening in Madrid. For me it is quite a difficult thing to divide between the more "theoretical" aspects and the more "practical" ones, so I don't see how this or other activities running through the list could be considered as "noise". But maybe the problem is how to reduce the massive amount of posts on the list, for those people not interested in "collateral" activities: not only radio playlists, but also convocatories and other announcements, as well as information on experimental resources in every city. Definetily my vote would be for Graham Miller's words -by the way, one of the most active posters on the list. I think these kind of posts could be displaced to a side-list, but I don't think this will adjust the poverty of the more philosophical posts in any way. I do follow almost all the threads because they seem pertinent to me, and they ask for my attention, whether they are based in technology, releases, events or philosophy. We wouldn't have any problem in putting that [announcement] advise -but I think this will mend nothing, as none of this announcements is trying to mislead anyone, I see them very clear saying what they are!!! In other sort of things, I'd like to apologize with Jeff Gburek of Djalma Primordial Science for the possible disinformation we may have caused, I'm sure the words used don't reflect reality, though I don't see them false neither. I just didn't understand the real process in the resources consulted. Our comments are always based in what we listen and read. So I'm sorry if you -or any other- has felt somehow displeased with them. This is often the only way for us to know about you, or any other artist, as we don't have the real possibility of contacting so many artists weekly -I'm sure you understand we do as much as we can, as we're not paid for this. I encourage everybody to help us and others knowing the real facts and -of course- correcting us when we are not all the right we should. Thank you! Carlos Manzano / Onda Sonora ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 16:57:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34731-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74567 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:57:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 74556 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:57:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:05:35 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear micronauts, Michael Andrew Doherty wrote: > I heartily agree with the need to converse about our art and music in a > community (like the Europeans). As do I, being an adopted European ;-) But I will fess up that I was one of the people to wrote to Kim off-list about an announce-only version of microsound. And the reason being the opposite of what you might think! The discussion that has come up around this particular topic might be some of the better discussion I've seen in months around here. I asked for an announce version of the list because I've gotten disappointed in the level of discussion that mostly happens lately. I guess I'll just come out and say it: this is NOT the IDM list. Early on, this list was a real haven for intellectual discussion about issues surrounding what Kim calls "post-digital" music. But I think we've already seen some of our brightest minds disappear because of the general drop in IQ of the average post. Go back and look at the early archives and count the number of amazing folks (many of whom were quite happy to contribute in list project) who almost never participate anymore: Akira Rabelais(R. Ecalcitrance), Taylor Deupree, Stephan Mathieu, Ross Healy(Cray), Greg Taylor(C74), Philip Sherburne, TV Pow, Steve Roden, Richard Chartier... For me at least, microsound is not a fanboy music list, and it's not a blog where you can just copy/paste whatever off-topic junk you absorbed from other mass-internet-media whenever you get an itch in your ass. And cheesy one-liners or negative slapdowns by kids with lots of opinions formed in their bedrooms and little experience to back it up don't contribute to any kind of real discussion either. But, by and large, this is what I've found on this list increasingly. So I've stopped paying much attention to the banter and concentrated on announcements of what my peers are up to, no matter where they happen to reside or perform. So if there were a version of microsound which focused on the interesting releases and events and left the blogboy babble out of the picture, I'd glady move over for a while till the fluff settles. best wishes, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 16:26:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34730-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60784 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:26:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 60774 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:26:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:26:09 +0000 From: cenere blu <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] (OT maybe) STEIM internship??? X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 16:26:09.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[32EF7DC0:01C52720] Hi bright minds, Kkman from Italy here... I’m beginning to write my dissertation thesis on physical control interfaces for software musical instruments, considering both the physical inter-actions between body and tools and the cognitive processes involved in the musical creation and expression. I saw that STEIM center in Amsterdam offers internship possibilities and I'm looking for some suggestions: anyone ever worked there / had collaborations? how to get to work there? Anyone knows some other research and development centers for electronic instruments design i could ask for stage opportunities and collaboration? Thanks a lot for your time, have a peaceful day, Kk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 16:02:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34729-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54495 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:02:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 54485 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:02:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:02:50 -0700 From: Michael Andrew Doherty <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <20050312.011112.2852.7.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dale and group, I heartily agree with the need to converse about our art and music in a community (like the Europeans). I am attempting to start just that in Denver. I can think of little better than sitting around talking about art and sound in a coffee shop, aside from listening. I believe it is a symptom of America's "rugged individuality" where we have learned to be monads-seeking-fulfillment, rather than part of the larger history of art and music evolving through time- for the sake of the sound. I recently had a conversation/meeting with composers and performers Jonathan Zorn and Rachel Thompson as they were passing through Denver. It was very enlightening for me. It was great to talk to another about our similar interests, but also got me thinking... There are a lot of us who have managed to be at least partially recognized within a lose community created on the internet. I imagine that most have been only marginally successful as I have been in getting their music to an audience, though, I have come to think that what we are doing sits squarely in the tradition of music and may be honored for its vision sometime after we are all gone. I believe that through sharing our ideas via internet/electronic means, through quick digital exchanges of sound and ideas, that we may just be involved in creating a new school of music- a lose community based on our acquaintance through the internet. The more we can bring that into living vibration in space, either through word of sound the better. -Michael -----Original Message----- From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx [mailto:xxxxx@xxxx.xxx] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:11 AM To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) Hi Scott, I noticed your e-mail address. Are you here in Seattle? I think I would be more interested in making time to have discussions and listening sessions in person more than online. This because I already spend way too much time on the computer (in seclusion) and it would be nice to actually interact with people who listen to, or are somehow involved with this kind of music, which is the real rarity these days I believe, even in a supposedly "progressive" town such as this one. It seems that artists in Europe have more of a tendency to "hang out" and talk for hours about various things of interest, whereas here in the US, we do far less of this. Maybe we're *too busy being busy* to slow down more often than we do. But I for one, don't meet people in this city very often that listen to the kind of sound work I listen to, distribute, and release on and/oar, so I end up back on the computer talking to artists and other labels (offlist). Just a sidenote, due to working with Alluvial Recordings on a joint release effort, I've had some great conversations with Kevin Wienke in this regard. I think we've both been a bit starved for knowledgable conversation about experimental/electronic sound work, so we tend to go on for hours on the phone (long distance)... but it's worth every minute of it. I'm always amazed at the stories people have that would have otherwise never come up in an e-mail. Like when Kevin was in Italy hanging out with Giancarlo Toniutti and then Paolo & Laura (of Logoplasm and S'agita Recordings). Then we would discuss the sound work which John Hudak or Yannick Dauby have been doing for the last few years... ;-) Good times. Best, Dale > meant to educate/curate/provoke-discussion? If list members actually > attend a show that's mentioned on the list, how about some > commentary? > Again, these kinds of discussions are disappointingly rare. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 12:48:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34728-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56974 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:48:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 56958 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:48:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:48:15 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal & CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 09/03/05 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rpGsFjlkxRsePK9t3D8ER7o4CI22BRUn9QCz8Assxcy9nfjZ3S144HVs3FhqeqiXOoH0l3IDZqEg/RNfvSr+J6olL/PJNqPqUPZC4GkGMNLsDlyVInWvju7pmHtcSwYLoNWNgQvaiL1ZWyau2TsdyojgOcmM9xDlp6G3UgNyK1c= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i have been enjoying list discussions and tech updates as well as mp3 links and show announcements and playlists as it helps me to move in the direction of the people interested in this field and thus into new idea formations and sound possibilities. all of it counts for me. and i hope to see it remain spontaneous and open... it occurs to me now that since some of us are actually reading the playlists that i wanted to comment on a recent posting about my music by the people at onda sonora, who i thank graciously for being interested in my music. i wanted microsound readers to be aware that the statement "This work (The Only Escape Is A Dream) was recorded > during several performances in New Mexico and it has > been edited and mixed later on by Gburek for this > release in his Orphan Sounds label" does not reflect the way the music was realized. I use throughout this CD field recordings made in numerous places in New Mexico. This material is transformed in real time using analog and digital signal processing. In addtion, the recordings are indeed used as compositional terra firma (or terra infirma) upon which sounds from prepared guitar and other devices are layered or intercalated to create electro-acoustic atmospheres. All of these recordings are the result of improvised sound sculpting, often included live noises from guitar, direct to DAT, and later transfered to CD with little or no editing. In no case was any a live performance. Unless you consider the field recordings live performances. The field recordings are indeed used in live performances by Djalma Primordial Science, but each time they are used very differently. again, i thank the folks at onda sonora for playing my music and i write these comments only to clarify matters. i thank you for your work in this music. european listeners can find the cdrs through metamkine in france and through erstwhile records in the usa. best, jeff gburek www.djalma.com --- Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> wrote: > ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) > Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM - > Miércoles/Wednesday 15h - > www.circulobellasartes.com > Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM - Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h - > www.uam.es/ra > Escucha en directo a cualquier hora / Listen live > real > time - > www.ondasonoraradio.com > _________________________________ > > CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 09/03/05 > > 01. DJALMA PRIMORDIAL SCIENCE > Track: (T) raum: Basalt, Granite, Limestone > Album: The Only Escape Is A Dream > Label: Orphan Sounds > > Abrimos el programa de esta semana con algo que no > podemos dejar pasar aunque sea inusual, o quizá > precisamente por eso. Se trata del sonido de una > compañía de teatro llamada Djalma Primordial > Science, > formada por la bailarina Ephia y el artista sonoro > Jeff Gburek, ella improvisa sus movimientos mientras > él también improvisa con guitarras y electrónica > sobre > una base de composición previa. Esta obra (The Only > Escape Is A Dream) fue grabada durante varias > actuaciones en Nuevo México y ha sido posteriormente > editada y mezclada por Gburek para editarla en su > sello Orphan Sounds > > We open this week's programming with something that > we > cannot pass through although it is unusual, maybe > for > that precise reason. The sounds of a theatre company > named Djalma Primordial Science, formed by the > dancer > Ephia and the sound artist Jeff Gburek: she > improvises > her movements while he also improvises with guitars > and electronics on a base of previous composition. > This work (The Only Escape Is A Dream) was recorded > during several performances in New Mexico and it has > been edited and mixed later on by Gburek for this > release in his Orphan Sounds label > > 02. JEFF GBUREK > Track: Energarium I > Album: Energariums > Label: Nur Nicht Nur > > Continuamos con los sonidos de Jeff Gburek , artista > sonoro de Nuevo México, en los Estados Unidos, que > además de trabajar obras de improvisación para > teatro, > como la anterior, realiza composiciones de música > electroacústica con guitarras y múltiples artilugios > sonoros. Esto procede de su disco Energariums, > editado > el año pasado en el sello alemán Nur Nicht Nur > > Jeff Gburek is a sound artist from New Mexico, in > the > United States, that besides working in improvisative > works for theater, as the previous one, he carries > out > compositions of electroacoustic music with guitars > and > multiple sound devices. This comes from his > Energariums album, released last year in the German > label Nur Nicht Nur > > 03. GREG KELLEY > Track: The Peeled Ones I > Album: The Peeled Ones I-III > Label: Fargone Records > > El trompetista experimental Greg Kelley lanzaba en > 2003 dos trabajos bajo la apariencia de un grupo > falso > llamado The Peeled Ones, primero y segundo volúmen > salieron a la calle sin ninguna respuesta. Pues > bien, > decidido a dar salida a este proyecto > complementarios, > para el que utiliza improvisaciones con > sintetizadores > y guitarra, ha publicado recientemente la tercera > parte de The Peeled Ones junto a una reedición de > los > dos volúmenes anteriores que nadie parece tener. > Edita > el sello neoyorkino Fargone Records > > Eexperimental trumpet player Greg Kelley rushed in > 2003 two works under the appearance of a false group > called The Peeled Ones, first and second volumes > came > out without any answer from the media. Then he, > resolved to give a chance to this complementary > project, for which he uses improvisations with > synthesizers and guitar, he has recently released > the > third part of The Peeled Ones, together with a > reissue > of the two previous volumes that nobody seems to > know > about. Released from New York by Fargone Records > > 04. GÜNTER MÜLLER & STEINBRÜCHEL > Track: Geneva 4 > Album: Perspectives > Label: List > > Nos trasladamos al continente europeo para escuchar > una novedad del sello francés List, la colaboración > entre dos músicos de muy diferente formación, el > alemán Günter Müller y el suizo Ralph Steinbrüchel, > que publican 12 piezas improvisadas posteriormente > retrabajadas en el estudio con el nombre conjunto de > "Perspectives" > > We move to European lands to listen to a novelty > from > the French label List, a collaboration between two > musicians of very different formation, the German > Günter Müller and the Swiss Ralph Steinbrüchel, that > are releasing 12 improvised pieces later reworked in > the studio with the name of "Perspectives" > > 05. PHILIP JECK / JANEK SCHAEFER > Track: Kerameikos > Album: Songs For Europe > Label: Asphodel > > Songs For Europe es el proyecto conjunto del > australiano Philip Jeck y el británico Janek > Schaefer, > desarrollado el año pasado a caballo entre Estambul > y > Atenas, partiendo del material sonoro local, desde > antiguos vinilos a emisiones de radio. Jeck y > Schaefer > visitan esta semana La Casa Encendida por partida > doble: el jueves 10 actuarán ambos en solitario y el > viernes 11 tendremos oportunidad de escuchar en > directo lo que suena, su colaboración Songs For > Europe, cuya versión grabada se puede encontrar > gracias al sello Asphodel > > Songs For Europe is the combined project of the > Australian Philip Jeck and the British Janek > Schaefer, > developed last year between Istanbul and Athens, > departing from local sound material, from old vinyls > to radio emissions. Jeck and Schaefer are visiting > this week La Casa Encendida in a double session: on > Thursday 10 both will do solo performances and on > Friday 11 we will have opportunity to listen live to > their collaboration Songs For Europe, whose recorded > version can be found thanks to the Asphodel label > > 06. BIRCHVILLE CAT MOTEL > Track: Blonde Moth Burial > Album: Chi Vampires > Label: Celebrate Psi Phenomenon > > Una muestra de Chi Vampires, nuevo álbum de > Birchville > Cat Motel desde Nueva Zelanda, que incluye 4 cortes > entre el miedo y la redención. Escuchamos el que > abre > este nuevo trabajo a cargo de Campbell Kneale, el > cerebro que se encuentra detrás de este interesante > proyecto > > A sample from Chi Vampires, new album of Birchville > Cat Motel from New Zealand, that includes 4 tracks > between fear and redemption. We listen to the one > that > opens this new work by Campbell Kneale, the brain > behind this interesting project > > ______ > Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero > consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, > responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás > inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas gracias > > Note: This is an undemanded message, but we have > considered it could be interesting for you. If > that’s > not the case, then reply us with this subject for > the message: “delete me”, and you will be > inmediately > out from the mailing. Thank you > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sat Mar 12 09:13:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34727-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78294 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:13:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 78281 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:13:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:11:11 -0800 From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20050312.011112.2852.7.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvaQT7zpOoFkgyU/tbKkupzYdwZvGiVlFvg== X-ContentStamp: 15:7:2511350316 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-11,13,15-16,18,20-22,24,26-28,30-31,33-44 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Scott, I noticed your e-mail address. Are you here in Seattle? I think I would be more interested in making time to have discussions and listening sessions in person more than online. This because I already spend way too much time on the computer (in seclusion) and it would be nice to actually interact with people who listen to, or are somehow involved with this kind of music, which is the real rarity these days I believe, even in a supposedly "progressive" town such as this one. It seems that artists in Europe have more of a tendency to "hang out" and talk for hours about various things of interest, whereas here in the US, we do far less of this. Maybe we're *too busy being busy* to slow down more often than we do. But I for one, don't meet people in this city very often that listen to the kind of sound work I listen to, distribute, and release on and/oar, so I end up back on the computer talking to artists and other labels (offlist). Just a sidenote, due to working with Alluvial Recordings on a joint release effort, I've had some great conversations with Kevin Wienke in this regard. I think we've both been a bit starved for knowledgable conversation about experimental/electronic sound work, so we tend to go on for hours on the phone (long distance)... but it's worth every minute of it. I'm always amazed at the stories people have that would have otherwise never come up in an e-mail. Like when Kevin was in Italy hanging out with Giancarlo Toniutti and then Paolo & Laura (of Logoplasm and S'agita Recordings). Then we would discuss the sound work which John Hudak or Yannick Dauby have been doing for the last few years... ;-) Good times. Best, Dale > meant to educate/curate/provoke-discussion? If list members actually > attend a show that's mentioned on the list, how about some > commentary? > Again, these kinds of discussions are disappointingly rare. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 08:39:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34726-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64010 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 63995 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:55 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:38:47 +1300 From: Simon Kong <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Organization: www.obscure.co.nz MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <00ca01c526cc$c9ee7900$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I live on the other side of the planet from every event on this list, so I find that information not that helpful. However I do look at webpages of events and try to follow up on the what & how. I enjoy reviews and feedback about events. Especially photos ! and 'yes' these are very rare. I generaly check out alot of the links to music, radio shows etc. Audio content is something I enjoy, so I will make and effort to provide some feedback to to the list on what I listen to. / The local IDM scene only exist in my bedroom where I live, so the list is my sense of reality that somewhere in the world people are listening and performing for each other. At least once a week the list provides me something interesting on the web to read about or research. I enjoy technical details of performance, and production. / I live in Queenstown, New Zealand .simon Scott Carver wrote: > Community is great, and I think hearing about new releases/shows is an > essential part of that. But on the flip side, when was the last time > there was an in-depth, detailed, critical discussion of a new release or > a show? This kind of thing /rarely/ happens... and without that kind of > engagement with the works we're mentioning, .microsound seems to veer > dangerously close to a genre list, a tool for following a scene. It's > fine to post a playlist, I suppose, but how about posting a mix meant to > educate/curate/provoke-discussion? If list members actually attend a > show that's mentioned on the list, how about some commentary? Again, > these kinds of discussions are disappointingly rare. > > I'm not sure what the best strategies for focusing the list along these > lines would be: indeed, maybe no one is interested in going in this > direction at all. If not, I would be interested to hear what directions > people /were/ interested in taking the list, if any at all. > > - Scott Carver > > > On Mar 11, 2005, at 10:28 PM, roberth wrote: > >> what i like about this list, (what is most useful to me) >> is the links to the music people are making, >> notices about shows (though i wish people would >> put at the top what city they are occurring in.) >> and info about label releases. >> folks with techinical questions are also useful. >> sometimes the philosphical discussions are fun sometimes they aren't. >> >> robert horton >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 07:41:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34725-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34705 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:41:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 34691 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:41:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:40:57 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <00ca01c526cc$c9ee7900$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <00ca01c526cc$c9ee7900$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Community is great, and I think hearing about new releases/shows is an essential part of that. But on the flip side, when was the last time there was an in-depth, detailed, critical discussion of a new release or a show? This kind of thing /rarely/ happens... and without that kind of engagement with the works we're mentioning, .microsound seems to veer dangerously close to a genre list, a tool for following a scene. It's fine to post a playlist, I suppose, but how about posting a mix meant to educate/curate/provoke-discussion? If list members actually attend a show that's mentioned on the list, how about some commentary? Again, these kinds of discussions are disappointingly rare. I'm not sure what the best strategies for focusing the list along these lines would be: indeed, maybe no one is interested in going in this direction at all. If not, I would be interested to hear what directions people /were/ interested in taking the list, if any at all. - Scott Carver On Mar 11, 2005, at 10:28 PM, roberth wrote: > what i like about this list, (what is most useful to me) > is the links to the music people are making, > notices about shows (though i wish people would > put at the top what city they are occurring in.) > and info about label releases. > folks with techinical questions are also useful. > sometimes the philosphical discussions are fun sometimes they aren't. > > robert horton > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 06:29:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34724-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6132 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:29:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 6121 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:29:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:28:16 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00ca01c526cc$c9ee7900$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what i like about this list, (what is most useful to me) is the links to the music people are making, notices about shows (though i wish people would put at the top what city they are occurring in.) and info about label releases. folks with techinical questions are also useful. sometimes the philosphical discussions are fun sometimes they aren't. robert horton --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 06:11:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34723-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1299 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:11:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 1289 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:11:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:11:10 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] microsound archive... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1038-87DF6E7592BD11D9B77F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all- Updated the microsound archive with email up to the end of February. Sad news is right now, although all the thread and date pages are built, there something's wrong with the indexing. So if you're using it and can't get any hits, I'm aware of the problem. Hopefully I can fix it soonish... Best, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 05:09:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34722-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89158 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 05:09:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 89115 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 05:09:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:09:10 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx absolutely.. as things evolve naturally on the web, this list has taken on a wider (and better) articulation of microsound is - whatever that means, specifically - that the original (and fairly limited and egocentrically-biased manifesto) originally suggested... i have no use for playlists and what not, but it doesn't curb my enthusiasm... philosophical arguments with no hard links or examples are pretty self-indulgent... i mean it's only e-mail, honestly... the amount of redundant pizza flyers deposited in my snailmail mailbox day after day don't compare to wealth of info and sense of community i feel here... i say bring it on... besides hitting delete can be exercise... think of the calories you're burning. this is good thing. not to mention the great brain power involved in rapid eye scanning, assimilated, dismissing, and filtering of vast amounts of information on the fly, useful or otherwise... it's part of the posthuman and cybernetic mentality propagated my the entire microsound aesthetic, i think... we're multitasking data creatures... by reverting back to more conservative morals, who knows how much great info could be lost in the process? value is in the eye of the beholder and this is not necessarily a list just for the people that started it... ultimately, it's grown and matured beyond that. i'm fascinated by all aspects of this list, commercial or otherwise... provided it's related. my two cents... g. Cory wrote: > I like this idea. similar to [ot]. > then anyone that doesn't want to read [announce] could just set up a > filter and problem solved. > > although I personally read through announcement mails. especially from > web-labels. > there is so much good music that I have found just from this list that > it would be a shame to cut it off entirely. > > ------------------------------------- > audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo > > On Mar 11, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > > > Another possibility, we could all make an effort to tag non-discussion > > content in the subject line. Much more low tech than another announce > > mailing list (which, btw, I would be slightly in favor of), if > > everyone posting playlists/gear sales/shows/etc. preceded their > > subject lines with [announce] or something, it would make it much > > easier for everyone to deal with/sort/delete the email as they see > > fit. > > > > - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 04:53:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34721-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84686 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:53:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 84676 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:53:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:52:55 -0500 From: Cory <xxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xGxhhq+b89Z3oojL5gYhiQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=V8KvrrZLNSaoMsBH6bM1ZcpuMrumJpmjpY9ZB3lwFLdU1wrroE3G8TOJha4GStnGUM01ee2A856fO9SJFahcti8tjH/KmlDb0DDxDbhvSBokMMKvTYUfl81qO77vrhIjVMYaFXJ5acOBtJ0Velh6bl2opoOg1ydYvgZ6aQF4kMU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_xGxhhq+b89Z3oojL5gYhiQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like this idea. similar to [ot]. then anyone that doesn't want to read [announce] could just set up a filter and problem solved. although I personally read through announcement mails. especially from web-labels. there is so much good music that I have found just from this list that it would be a shame to cut it off entirely. ------------------------------------- audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo On Mar 11, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > Another possibility, we could all make an effort to tag non-discussion > content in the subject line. Much more low tech than another announce > mailing list (which, btw, I would be slightly in favor of), if > everyone posting playlists/gear sales/shows/etc. preceded their > subject lines with [announce] or something, it would make it much > easier for everyone to deal with/sort/delete the email as they see > fit. > > - Scott Carver --Boundary_(ID_xGxhhq+b89Z3oojL5gYhiQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 03:28:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34720-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62957 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:28:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 62945 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:28:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:28:46 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Another possibility, we could all make an effort to tag non-discussion content in the subject line. Much more low tech than another announce mailing list (which, btw, I would be slightly in favor of), if everyone posting playlists/gear sales/shows/etc. preceded their subject lines with [announce] or something, it would make it much easier for everyone to deal with/sort/delete the email as they see fit. - Scott Carver On Mar 11, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Ben Thomas wrote: > Why not just make a page on microsound.org for releases and shows, > then just insert a link in the signature of the mailing list.. If > people are interested, then they could click to the page. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 00:51:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34719-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10559 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:51:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 10549 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:51:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:51:34 -0500 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] FW: [Sursound] new PC reference design with ADAT interface standard To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <005301c5269d$a3d54070$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Michael North 2259 Fitzroy St. Box 185 [H] (613) 623 1031 [C] (613) 715 3585 xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx http://www3.sympatico.ca/michael.north -----Original Message----- From: xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx [mailto:xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx] On Behalf Of xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:31 PM To: xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx Subject: [Sursound] new PC reference design with ADAT interface standard I just saw a short report about an "entertainment PC" at the recent Intel Developer's Forum which uses the new SigmaTel STAC9221 as the on board audio codec. Note the list of features in the marketing sheet at this link: http://www.sigmatel.com/documents/HD%20Audio%20Glossy.pdf 8 DAC's on chip plus ADAT protocol. Expectation is that motherboards with this design will be shipping near the end of this year. Might be interesting to see some off the shelf PC's at reasonable prices with 8 channel interfaces standard on the motherboard. -- Chris Caudle _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xxx https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 12 00:02:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34718-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91688 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:02:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 91678 invoked from network); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:02:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:02:08 -0800 From: Sean Whalen <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] audio and the gpu To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pisces.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - node99.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A recent paper that may be of interest to microsounders -- investigating the use of a graphics card's 3d acceleration to execute DSP algorithms: http://www.node99.org/projects/gpuaudio/gpuaudio.pdf Any feedback welcome. 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Fri Mar 11 23:34:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34717-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81125 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:34:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 81114 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:34:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:34:04 +0100 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OTO ONKYO radio show To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi List, This is OTO ONKYO, radio show broadcasted in Bordeaux (France) on Radio Sauvagine (94.9FM) every friday at 20h30 the last playlist is here, >>>> http://oto-onkyo.blogspot.com/ i'm looking for sounds materials, feel free to contact me if you want to have your music broadcasted in France. best regards, Dimitri --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 23:25:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34716-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77499 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:24:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 77488 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:24:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:19:59 +0100 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Wired [linux audio]. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c52691$6c7d6dc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx With the interest in linux audio here I thought people might like to have a look at this. Clearly it´s not typical Microsound fare but it does look like a attempt at building something relatively straightforward and direct. This could be very good for the image and accesibility of Linux audio. http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=2 quote; Wired is composed of a Audio/MIDI sequencer and a rack based plugin system, which enables you to record your instruments and mix them with electronic effects/modules at the same time. The user interface of Wired has been designed to make it easy for professionals or beginners to compose music in a software based environment. Wired targets the Linux operating system, and uses GTK and wxWidgets for the graphic interface. It supports the ALSA sound architecture and OSS for Audio and MIDI I/O. ........ Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 22:21:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34715-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56652 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:21:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 56638 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:21:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:21:28 -0500 From: Ben Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) In-reply-to: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Why not just make a page on microsound.org for releases and shows, then just insert a link in the signature of the mailing list.. If people are interested, then they could click to the page. On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:14 PM, xxxxx@xxxx.xxx wrote: > >> status: I have asked Andy Thomas (one of the three founders of the >> microsound list) to see how trivial creating an adjunct list would >> be...so when I get a clear idea as to where it will be hosted I will > > Hi Kim. Coming from a label standpoint, I think theoretically, it > *could* > and *should* be an effective idea, however a prime example of what > happens to such list groups is the rather miserable "Wire magazine" > Yahoo > group. > How many subscribers are actual readers, as opposed to the people > posting > the notices? My guess is that the percentage is very low, therefore > most of the subscribers are probably on digest version or use the > option > to not recieve e-mails from the group, just so they can post their own > e-mails when they need to. > > Having said that, I would likely subscribe to such a .microsound > group in favor of this one because I just don't have time to follow the > threads pertaining to "philosophical/technical aspects of creating > music > using software", but I do need a venue to post occasional release > notices > and label updates, so what the hades am I still doing here !? ;-) > > Best, Dale > > Dale Lloyd: http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html > and/OAR: http://www.and-oar.org/ > > NEW: Turba / Lateral Minor (Stasisfield.com) > NEW: Volatile And Fixed Principles (leerraum) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 22:15:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34714-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53380 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:15:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 53363 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:15:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:14:06 -0800 From: xxxxx@xxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal (subjective...) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20050311.141407.3216.6.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GdDao4uhm5NYsuT46RpboQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvUP+1k8v4Mw7zDhnFqdZ3042/T6/PekEew== X-ContentStamp: 11:5:1711525208 X-MAIL-INFO: 18453c00182c009938813da5281d3df9c931f99d917c283589cd851175adf5a9489d8c5c61d8d8f1adf8a9e988a959fcc1f14845ac8d0c21bdbda529f9390c3c81b849e8690d5d6cec786d8c585565fcfc1d28adb9111195bc18d9add138dc3d98f8183838b5dc7191f888f168c9 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-6,7-13,15-33,34-32767 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GdDao4uhm5NYsuT46RpboQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > status: I have asked Andy Thomas (one of the three founders of the > microsound list) to see how trivial creating an adjunct list would > be...so when I get a clear idea as to where it will be hosted I will Hi Kim. Coming from a label standpoint, I think theoretically, it *could* and *should* be an effective idea, however a prime example of what happens to such list groups is the rather miserable "Wire magazine" Yahoo group. How many subscribers are actual readers, as opposed to the people posting the notices? My guess is that the percentage is very low, therefore most of the subscribers are probably on digest version or use the option to not recieve e-mails from the group, just so they can post their own e-mails when they need to. Having said that, I would likely subscribe to such a .microsound group in favor of this one because I just don't have time to follow the threads pertaining to "philosophical/technical aspects of creating music using software", but I do need a venue to post occasional release notices and label updates, so what the hades am I still doing here !? ;-) Best, Dale Dale Lloyd: http://www.and-oar.org/dalelloyd.html and/OAR: http://www.and-oar.org/ NEW: Turba / Lateral Minor (Stasisfield.com) NEW: Volatile And Fixed Principles (leerraum) --Boundary_(ID_GdDao4uhm5NYsuT46RpboQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 21:15:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34713-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31363 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:15:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 31351 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:15:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:15:04 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise to signal In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KzrCoUH8+It+Vlvu+nm8rTTD68bl+Vevk5Ab5HK1JrLcZIFqis0wc8XpoYX8xXDC2wXQNZhx/mIec/M2iIL9zursJwpad/WqsQu4w2+3nZLrHN1+KYNOaRFs6Z5pqmH6MeNzZMckoacTnr95fdkDqQrIiNRBNcCaw0b1KZ+WBts= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi this is from my new gmail accont- one of the things that has changed with my move ... On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:31:15 -0800, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > status: I have asked Andy Thomas (one of the three founders of the > microsound list) to see how trivial creating an adjunct list would > be... i may be able to host it on microsound.nexthop.org. let me know if you want me to follow up with this. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 17:31:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34712-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25027 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:31:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 25017 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:31:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:31:15 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] noise to signal To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've been receiving complaints from members who feel that the noise is once again overtaking the signal on the microsound list...a quick look at the home page reveals the original intent and purpose of this list but let me include it here for those who haven't read it before sub'ing to this list-> ########################################### some guidelines: although certain aspects of production inevitably enter discussion, ..microsound is not a music-makers list; if you're after detailed deliberation of the merits of this or that dsp card or vst plugin, we recommend lists such as csound, MAX/MSP, pro-audio, freesound, music-dsp, structured audio, lo-fi, and gameaudiopro that capably handle these topics. ..microsound is an unmediated list, but that doesn't mean anything goes. posts should concern topics of historical, conceptual, or experiential relevance to digital and post-digital music. record and event reviews are encouraged; mean-spirited pissing contests are not. announcements regarding new releases, performances, tours, and so forth pertinent to the list's scope will be tolerated in brief, and by subscribers whose contributions otherwise exceed postings of this sort. ..microsound refuses to become a sounding board for ebay auctions, playlists, and the periodic expurgations of listmembers' record collections. extended for-sale lists are not allowed, although brief posts containing urls where such lists can be viewed are acceptable. posters who abuse these few guidelines will be hounded into submission. failing that, they will be removed from the list. thank you for your interest in .microsound. ############################################ scanning any given digest or daily collection of posts within the past couple of months will reveal that very little of this is being adhered to...this has been very frustrating to certain members (including myself) to the point of sending me nasty-grams or unsub'ing from the list... solution: I'm looking into creating an adjunct list called 'xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx' in order to filter off some of the noise from this list and hopefully reboot microsound...this would mean that ALL radio playlists, concert announcements, CD releases, artist web sites with mp3's to DL, etc should be posted to this adjunct list and NOT to the main microsound list which will remain focused on discussing the more philosophical/technical aspects of creating music using software... also keep in mind that the microsound list is not a music-makers list per se...it was not started to fill this need but invariably the two realms intersect and I welcome some of the discussions about Linux audio, the philosophy of open source and (cc), etc since it relates to microsound in many ways... status: I have asked Andy Thomas (one of the three founders of the microsound list) to see how trivial creating an adjunct list would be...so when I get a clear idea as to where it will be hosted I will let microsounders know when the new list goes live... thanks for the bandwidth, KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 17:25:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34711-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21377 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:24:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 21366 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:24:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:27:38 -0500 From: ianepps <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] NYC :- Tune(In))) Brooklyn: free103point9's 8th anniversary free concert on 5 channels X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.203] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4WUBr2KCA6ch7UM4a+JKFw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 17:24:53.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D156C90:01C5265F] --Boundary_(ID_4WUBr2KCA6ch7UM4a+JKFw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my apologies for a rather large posting, but this is an interesting event to take note of. ................................................................................................................................................ free103point9 transmissions 03.12.05 http://www.free103point9.org CELEBRATE EIGHT YEARS WITH FREE103POINT9 Saturday 03.12.05 TUNE(IN))) BROOKLYN SUDDEN INFANT | CJMJS | SAWAKO | IAN EPPS NEUROTRANSMITTER | DAMIAN CATERA BEN OWEN + ANDY GRAYDON | IMAGINARY FOLK TIANNA KENNEDY + TYLER NOLAN | 31 DOWN MATT PASS | DJ KELLY KOMBAT | MATT BUA MATT MIKAS + DANIEL CARTER + TOM ROE + TONY FLYNN ANDREW BARKER + JESSICA PAVONE + JESSE DULMAN + CHRISTOPHER MCINYTRE + CHARLES WATERS free103point9 8th anniversary benefit concert Silent concert heard on radio headphones on five channels. @ East River Bar, First Floor, 97 S. 6th St., btw Bedford Ave. and Berry St., Southside, Williamsburg, Brooklyn. 8 p.m.-1 a.m. free admission. $8 radios for sale to hear the performances. Performances will be in projections and monitors, and some in the room. Tune in on free103point9 Online Radio at www.free103point9.org and Radioo, www.radioo.org. free103point9's Tune(In))) is a silent concert, with performers playing into transmitters rather than amplifiers. Attendees listen to performances on radio with headphones. free103point9's Tune(In))) is a sound installation/event in designed for a virtually silent environment in which listeners hear live performances through individual radio headsets. Sponsored, in part, by the Greater New York Development Fund of the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs, administered by the Brooklyn Arts Council, Inc. Attendees can bring their own radio with headphones, or buy or rent a radio from free103point9 for $8. You cannot hear the show without a radio with headphones. You will be able to see the show in person at the East River Bar, and on video projections and monitors in the East River Bar. Free admission to a show with over 40 performers. This is free103point9's 8th anniversary benefit. $8 donations are also accepted. SCHEDULE 88.7-FM Video projection and audio transmission will be beamed in from a nearby location. 8 p.m.: archived free103point9 recording from last eight years: Carlos Giffoni, "untitled" from Tune(In))) 03.01.03; Matt Valentine + Erika Elder, ""Contemporary Mountain Hymns and Microtonal Sun Ragas" from Tune(In))) 03.01.03. 8:45-9:30: Tianna Kennedy + guest 9:30-10:15: CJMJS: Christopher McIntyre (trombone) + Michael Schumacher (G4 laptop) 10:15-11 p.m.: Matt Mikas + Tom Roe + Daniel Carter + Tony Flynn 11 p.m.-11:30: Tianna Kennedy + Tyler Nolan 11:30 p.m.-12:15 a.m.:Imaginary Folk: Peter Evans, trumpet; Jessica Pavone, viola; Brandon Seabrook, banjo; and Amie Weiss, violin. 12:15-12:30 a.m.: Tianna Kennedy + guest 12:30-1:15 a.m.: Andrew Barker + Jesse Dulman + Christopher McIntyre + Jessica Pavone + Charles Waters. 89.3-FM Performers on First Floor, some audio/visual, streamed live on free103point9 Online Radio, www.free103point9.org. 8 p.m.: archived free103point9 recording from last eight years: Transmaniacon MC, "Klipshow" from Tune(In))) 03.01.03 (35 min.); Scanner, entire set from Tune(In))) The Kitchen 04.22.04 (30 min); 9 p.m.: Radio Ruido 9:30 p.m.: Matt Pass 10 p.m.: Radio Ruido 10:15 p.m.: Sawako 10:45 p.m.: Radio Ruido 11 p.m.: Ian Epps 11:30 p.m.: Radio Ruido 11:45 p.m.: Ben Owen + Andy Graydon 12:15 a.m.: DJ Kelly Kombat 91.9-FM Video projection and audio transmission will be beamed in from a nearby location. Performers on First Floor streamed live on Radioo, www.radioo.org. 8 p.m.: archived free103point9 recording from last eight years. Tatsuya Nakatani + Vic Rawlings + Ricardo Arias, from Assembled 06.26.04 (45 mins). 8:45-9:15: Matt Bua 9:15 p.m.: 31 Down "...My Last .45" Mike Sharpie walks down the steps into his own grave. Designed and developed by Ryan Holsopple, Mirit Tal, and Shannon Sindelar. Thanks to Matt Bua and Ontological-Hysteric Theater Outside/Input. 10-10:15: Matt Bua 10:15 p.m.: Damian Catera 11-11:15: Matt Bua 11:15 p.m.: neuroTransmitter mid-12:15: Matt Bua 12:15 a.m.: Sudden Infant 99.9-FM Archived free103point9 performances from the last eight years on video monitors and FM radio. 8 p.m.- 9:05 p.m.: "Radio 4x4 at 'Rock's Role (After Ryoanji)'" DVD 9:05 p.m.-9:15 p.m.: "Of The Bridge" DVD Matt Bua + Matt Mikas + Tom Roe 9:15-10:20 p.m.: "Kids Discover Radio visits free103point9" 04.24.99. 10:20-1 a.m.: "Tune(In))) The Kitchen footage from Rob Hall, 04.22.05. Performers include Espers, Scanner, I-Sound, Marina Rosenfeld + Aan Licht, others. 103.9-FM Archived free103point9 performances from the last eight years on video monitors and FM radio. Performances from Damian Catera and others from the "International Night of Noise" 06.01.01; WTC benefit Sept., 2001; Dave Kay's "The Spider Inside Me," from 1999; Michael Przytarski's free103point9 recordings of Emil Beaulieau (09.25.01), Ortho (2001), A Thousand Points of Light, Monotract 06.01.01, Bunny Brains (06.01.01), others. For more information see: http://www.screwmusicforever.com/free103/tuneinbrooklyn.html ((((( ))))) Review of Tune(In))) Santa Fe from The New York Times: from New York Times, 08.22.04 Something very new indeed was taking place at the Santa Fe Art Institute, where a strangely affecting event called a "Tune(In))" had been organized by the New York transmission arts group free103point9. Cameras planted throughout the building sent live feeds to monitors in a room where small audiences were listening -- through headphones plugged into FM radios -- to live transmissions from computer-sound artists responding to the videos. "It was so quiet it was hard to believe we were at a public sound event," said Christian Marclay, a biennial artist. "You didn't know if anyone was listening or what they were listening to. "Listening," he added, is "a lot more private than looking." --Linda Yablonsky ................................................................................................................................................ New York Times review of free103point9's Tune(In))) The Kitchen 04.24.04 Five Concerts All at Once, and It's Quiet The audience at the Kitchen listened to performers on portable radios. By Jon Pareles It was the quietest concert of the year and perhaps the noisiest. For long stretches of the Tune(In))) the Kitchen, a four-hour electronic music gathering on Thursday night that was as conceptual as its title, the only sounds in the Kitchen came from people strolling around and sporadic conversations. But the airwaves in the room were alive with abstract sounds. Four simultaneous performances and a channel of video soundtracks were broadcast to the FM radios and headphones of the audience. The musicians worked at tabletop setups, never knowing who was listening. Tune(In))) was a small-scale fulfillment of many avant-garde musicians' dreams of being heard on the radio. It was also both a throwback to 1960's-style multimedia events -- with Nam June Paik videos from the 1960's -- and an embrace of the latest laptops and other gizmos. The aesthetics looked back to the 1960's, as most of the performers offered uninterrupted, slowly evolving textural works. Performers like John King, Damian Catera, Transmaniacon MC, Tom Roe, Jeremy Novak, I-Sound and the duo of Alan Licht and Marina Rosenfeld each created distinct, dense soundscapes that could be meditative or jolting. In this context Sybarite lived up to his name by using samples of music with melodies and friendly acoustic guitars. There were some low-tech offerings, too. Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth played a perpetual-motion electric guitar improvisation, shifting from jumpy picking to frantic strummed chords to blaring effects-pedal distortion with Carlos Giffoni applying additional electronic effects. Mr. Giffoni also played his own electronic set. At one point he looped someone saying "Repetition breeds suggestibility" followed by a new loop: "I am not suggestible." Espers used cello, acoustic guitar, electric bass and keyboard in ghostly, reverberating instrumentals. Gregory Whitehead, backed by his own recordings, sang and spoke an elaborate fantasy involving George Bush in a performance somewhere between Meredith Monk and the radio satirist Harry Shearer. Matt Bua set up two suitcases holding motors, switches and sound generators that silently broadcast dense swaths of booping, crunching noise. In a high-tech/low-tech duo, Ikue Mori used her laptop to play quick, quiet sounds -- like a slapstick routine at a flea circus -- while Zeena Parkins added textures from crumpling, ripping, tapping items like bubble wrap and a pair of clogs. And 31 Down played a dense, throbbing piece with film noir dialogue samples while he snapped photographs, ate donuts and used a coffee cup to trigger buzzes and swoops. In an event that couldn't help prompt thoughts about radio as audience members dialed toward the Kitchen's frequencies, Scanner had the most intellectually germane performance. He was scanning radio broadcasts for sounds to sample, adding ominous undercurrents to things like a Sibelius symphony. At the end, like Tune(In))) itself, his segment dissolved into static. For more information see: http://www.screwmusicforever.com/free103/tunein.html ......................................... i a n e p p s i a n @ i a n e p p s. com i a n e p p s . c o m ......................................... --Boundary_(ID_4WUBr2KCA6ch7UM4a+JKFw)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 14:45:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34710-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53630 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:44:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 53614 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:44:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:48:13 +1100 From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks for all your helpful suggestions. an update on the situation : i'm currently about to try using 'zterm' (a terminal emulator programme for os x) to open the modem port, while using wiretap (or audiohijack or anything, really) to record the computer's output. if anyone's interested, i can let you know the results when i finally get around to trying it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 14:27:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34709-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44604 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:27:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 44594 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:27:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:27:41 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 14:27:41.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BCC7410:01C52646] there's a program called audiohijack, which i think you can get a demo of from http://www.rogueamoeba.com which hijacks the audio-out of your computer, and records it, the problems might be though that you have to launch the audio program to be hacked into AFTER audiohijack, which could be difficult if its the in-built sound of the computer, try it, it could work though. and also the demo will only record good sound for 3 minutes or so, after then it "degrades" or basically superimposes ear-splitting noise over it, which is really really unpleasant if you are recording something quiet at high volume , like i was. :) >From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:34:36 -0800 > >It seems like it should be possible though, as you can hear the >modem connecting through your audio out. So the modem does in fact >connect to your machine's audio system at some point, though I've >never heard of an app that could utilize that. > >k > > >On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Aaron Ximm wrote: > >>>time to set up an MD or anything on his end... i am just wondering >>>about the possibility of direct recording of a modem input on a >>>mac. >>>even if there was a way to keep the port open and record it as >>>though >>>it were a speaker phone.. that would help. thanks for responses >>>so >>>far! >> >>If I understand you, you want to use the Mac to record in some >>normal >>audio app. You want to record off a phone line, so you're thinking, >>hey, >>why not plug the phone into the mac's built-in modem port? >> >>Knowing nothing about contemporary macs -- does the same port ever >>get >>used, say, to make your mac a speaker phone, an answering machine, >>etc? >> >>I would GUESS not (anymore) and if that's the case, there's a 99% >>chance >>this will not work; that phoneline probably goes directly to a >>modem-on-a-chip and whatever A/D is done to transceive modem data >>is >>probably invisible to the system. >> >>I could be wrong though! If you *can* use the modem port to make >>your mac >>say an answering machine, that implies that the system can >>read/write an >>audio stream to that plug and your idea is a good one -- as long as >>someone wrote software to do it for you... :) >> >>But pending any other ideas I would recommend just buying one of >>the phone >>tappers, and running into the line/mic in on the Mac... >> >> aaron >> >> xxxxx@xxxx.xxx >> http://www.quietamerican.org >> >> | quod omne animal post | >> | cogitum est triste... | >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Fri Mar 11 10:50:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34708-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89571 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:50:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 89560 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:50:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:50:10 +0100 From: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] Interzone radio show X-Originating-IP: 83.194.245.66 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-x.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi List, Here's the playlist of the last edition of Interzone, a bimonthly radio show hosted on Coloriage 103.9 in France and streamed live on www.coloriage.fr . Next show on March the 18th, from 9PM to 11PM (CET). you can contact us on xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Max Eastley & David Toop / Eyelash turned inwards / Doll Creature / Bip-Hop Telectu : Performance # / Antologia de Musica Electronica Portuguese / Tomlab Philip Jeck / As my Shadow passes / Touch 00 / Touch Beijing Sound Unit / Minibus Pimps / China : the Sonic avant Garde / Post Concrete Yuko Nexus 6 - J'adore la boucle # 1 / Journal de Tokyo / Sonore Christophe Charles / Silo / Undirected 1986-1996 / Mille Plateaux Koji Marutani / 15 Shots / Mesmer Variations / Ash International Taylor Deupree / Midlight / January / Spekk Carsten Nicolai & Ryuchi Sakamoto / Duoon / Vrioon / Raster-Noton COH / Undercosm / Netmörk / Source Research Thomas Brinkmann / Olga A1 / Touch 00 / Touch Biosphere / Le Grand Dôme / Cirque / Touch PF3 / P.PA / Bip Hop Generation 7 / Bip Hop Tacita Dean / Ademn, Yemen 4AM / Haunted Weather / Staubgold KF Whitman & Greg Davis / WMFU Radio Session / Yearlong / Carpark Akio Suzuki / Apalopos / Haunted Weather / Staubgold Eric Aldea & Ivan Chiossone / The Desire & the Importance of Failing / Kabul /Ici d'ailleurs Mimetic Tale / Smooth Feeling / Personal Plot / Thisco Szkieve / Le Songe de R.E.A./ Ekranoplanes / Ant-Zen Pita / Resog 45 / Get off / Häpna Eight Frozen Modules / Mic_o-iconic Fe_tu_e / The Abduction of Barry / Orthlorng Muzork Zhou Pei / Eronz 335 / China : The Sonic Avant Garde / Post Concrete Oval / 8 / Commers / Thrill Jockey Scanner / Intercontinental / Europa 25 / British Council Erik M. / Ur-Sprung / Construction Sonor / Gallerie PH Rainier Lericolais / Courrier électronique (Sébastien Rous rmx) / re: Courrier Electronique / Optical Sound Cheers, JF --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 10:16:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34707-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81895 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:16:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 81885 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:16:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:16:49 +0200 From: Andrey Kiritchenko <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] new MP3 release on Nexsound X-Originating-IP: unknown via proxy [80.249.229.86] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Andrey Kiritchenko <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Pryvit new MP3 release is out now on Nexsound v/a - Fabelbuch - mp3 ns40 Remixes by Frank Bretschneider (Mille Plateaux,Raster Noton,12K), Mikael Stavostrand (Mille Plateaux,Mitek), Mokira (Mille Plateaux,Raster-Noton,Type), Goem(Mego, Staalplaat), Dalezy(Underscan), Kotra(Nexsound,Alku) of "Kniga Skazok" album by Andrey Kiritchenko released on Ad Noiseam (adn23). http://www.nexsound.org/ns40.html na zdorovja! - .. - + , , .. +++> - iNtroversive EXtraversion: http://www.nexsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 09:52:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34706-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76065 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:52:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 76051 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:52:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:52:47 +0100 From: Marco Messina <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] R:[microsound] [xstreamradio] | 11/03/2005 : The Madrid day, two projects, one homage | In-reply-to: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5728FF.7E20%xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_X9eMiAbd3S6c6xzdSsKtcg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_X9eMiAbd3S6c6xzdSsKtcg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just listening it Thanks!! marco messina [] [] [] [] [] [] http://www.mousikelab.com/ http://www.libreimpression.com/ http://www.novenove.it/ http://www.folderstudio.com/ [] [] [] [] [] [] Da: <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Risposta: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Data: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:13:32 EST A: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Oggetto: [microsound] [xstreamradio] | 11/03/2005 : The Madrid day, two projects, one homage | Yesterday, Andy (Jansky Noise) Macgregor asked me if I'd like to play some tracks from his forthcoming compilation CD release "Homenaje", during the day of the 11th March (that is one year after the terrorist attacks in Madrid). "Homenaje", (Homage), is a tribute album dedicated to the spirit and the energy of the people who live in Madrid. I agreed to Andy's proposal and I decided to include some more tracks related to Madrid, to make this day a special homage day. Also featured is the "Madrid Project" which was created by contributors of the microsound list, and to supplement the playlist I added several other tracks by spanish artists from Madrid. Tune in here >>> http://xstreamradio.dyndns.org/listen.pls Jansky Noise >>> http://www.sp-jn.co.uk Homenaje >>> http://www.110304.com.es Madrid Project >>> http://www.microsound.org/madrid microsound >>> http://www.microsound.org [ http://xstreamradio.free.fr ] [ Now playing: Experimental and Electronic music ] --Boundary_(ID_X9eMiAbd3S6c6xzdSsKtcg)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 04:13:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34705-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84019 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:13:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 84009 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:13:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] [xstreamradio] | 11/03/2005 : The Madrid day, two projects, one homage | To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0s/kkJTQERqB+mmEN558EA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_0s/kkJTQERqB+mmEN558EA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday, Andy (Jansky Noise) Macgregor asked me if I'd like to play some tracks from his forthcoming compilation CD release "Homenaje", during the day of the 11th March (that is one year after the terrorist attacks in Madrid). "Homenaje", (Homage), is a tribute album dedicated to the spirit and the energy of the people who live in Madrid. I agreed to Andy's proposal and I decided to include some more tracks related to Madrid, to make this day a special homage day. Also featured is the "Madrid Project" which was created by contributors of the microsound list, and to supplement the playlist I added several other tracks by spanish artists from Madrid. Tune in here >>> http://xstreamradio.dyndns.org/listen.pls Jansky Noise >>> http://www.sp-jn.co.uk Homenaje >>> http://www.110304.com.es Madrid Project >>> http://www.microsound.org/madrid microsound >>> http://www.microsound.org [ http://xstreamradio.free.fr ] [ Now playing: Experimental and Electronic music ] --Boundary_(ID_0s/kkJTQERqB+mmEN558EA)-- From ???@??? Fri Mar 11 01:06:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34704-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19313 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:06:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 19303 invoked from network); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:06:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:06:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Thu, 3/12 Droneshift (in Oakland, CA) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DroneShift Saturday, Mar 12 2005 21 Grand 449B 23rd St (Between Broadway & Telegraph) Doors: 6:30pm Show: exactly 7:00pm to 11:00pm $8-12 sliding scale Sick of wanky guitar solos, unintelligible lyrics, cheesily programmed beats, and hard-to-figure-out highbrow ideas? Overreact by coming to DroneShift, where over 40 musicians will present four hours of continuous long tones and unusual textures that wouldn't develop anywhere else! With a wide variety of musicians from different bay area experimental music communities playing 4 to 10 at a time in overlapping shifts, the music will gradually evolve from lovely all-acoustic moments to sheets of peeling noise and back with many points in between. At times, it will sound like several different instruments are contributing to a single, complex, unique note. All the funds will go to 21 Grand, a venue that has made huge efforts to provide a place for unusual shows like this one. The current space is going to be turned into condominiums, so we're trying to raise funds for them to move into another space nearby. Since the music goes nonstop for 4 hours, it will be perfectly normal to get up and walk around while the musicians are playing. Currently, the musicians are: Mara Arrowood - Laptop/Sampler Elise Baldwin - Laptop Tom Bickley - Recorder/Software www.metatronpress.com/artists/tbickley Jorge Boehringer - viola Amar Chaudhary - Graphics Tablet/Laptop www.amar-music.info Che Chen - Acoustic Guitar/Electronics Ronnie Cramer - Laptop www.cramer.org Matt Davignon - Drum Machine/Accordion Ernesto Diaz-Infante - Acoustic Steelstring Guitar http://www.paxrecordings.com/ernesto Thomas Dimuzio - sampler/electronics www.gench.com Tom Duff - Computer www.4-33.com Dina Emerson - Voice/Wine Glasses Christopher Fleeger - Powerbook/Controllers www.acousmatic.com William Fowler Collins - Guitar/Electronics http://www.wfowlercollins.ath.cx Larnie Fox - Reed Organ http://www.infoflow.com/larnie Eric Glick Rieman - Prepared Rhodes Piano http://www.accretions.com/artists/eric.asp Lance Grabmiller - Laptop www.praemedia.com Will Grant - E-Mu UltraProteus www.greyotter.com Phillip Greenlief - Tenor Sax www.evandermusic.com John Hanes - Floor Tom www.purelovepower.com Jeff Hobbs - violin/upright bass/clarinet Craig Latta - Voice/Circular Whistling www.netjam.org Bill Leikam - Conch Norman Long - no-input mixer, contact mic, minidisc Bob Marsh - Accordion www.bayimproviser.com/bobmarsh David Michalak - Lap Steel Guitar Kristin Miltner - Laptop www.paxrecordings.com/miba Polly Moller - Flute/Bass Flute www.silverwheel.com Nihil Communication - Synth http://myspace.com/nihil Suki O'Kane - electric guitar, sampler, quadraverb http://zoka.com/noodles Tim Perkis - portable "acousticish" setup www.perkis.com Mike Perlmutter - Alto/Tenor Sax, Clarinet Joel Pickard - Pedal Steel Guitar Steve Polta - Feedback/VU Meter Gino Robair - Cymbals Rent Romus - Zitherod Jeff Schwartz - Bass www.geocities.com/jeff_l_schwartz Jonathan Segel - Electronics/Violin www.magneticmotorworks.com David Slusser - Electric Sax www.breathears.com Moe! Staiano - Bowed Metals www.moestaiano.com Liam Staskawicz - Trombone Allen Whitman - Treated Bass www.zoka.com/noodles Aaron Ximm - Field Recordings/Oscillators www.quietamerican.org Michael Zellner - Midi Wind Synth & Effects http://zoka.com/noodles Schedule posted at: http://www.4-33.com/Droneshift.bmp (Sorry non-local folks, there aren't any plans to record.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 18:56:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34703-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43255 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:56:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 43245 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:56:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:56:07 -0800 From: Jorge Bachmann <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx if WireTrap records all sounds going in and out of your mac... so using something like Skype for the communication should work... something to try. skype a free app, for communicating computer to computer or computer to telephone! http://www.skype.com/ paz J21 On Mar 10, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Remco Bladel, van wrote: > Jon, > > You can try WireTap, it's a small program that records all sounds > going in and out of your Mac. > > Remco > > http://www.sonidogris.com > > justino aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound P.O.Box 15953 San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 17:52:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34702-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10228 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:52:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 10218 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:52:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:52:16 -0600 From: "Robair, Gino" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] "How tunes get stuck in your head" To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: microsound Digest 2 Mar 2005 04:37:50 -0000 Issue 1362 Thread-index: AcUe4alWH/Rfp3j1Sf+4jpaSElh6nAGuBTID Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 17:52:17.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[E623D860:01C52599] "How tunes get stuck in your head." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4332771.stm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 16:34:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34701-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66378 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:34:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 66367 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:34:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:34:36 -0800 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <01e301c52511$bd0ee970$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It seems like it should be possible though, as you can hear the modem connecting through your audio out. So the modem does in fact connect to your machine's audio system at some point, though I've never heard of an app that could utilize that. k On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Aaron Ximm wrote: >> time to set up an MD or anything on his end... i am just wondering >> about the possibility of direct recording of a modem input on a mac. >> even if there was a way to keep the port open and record it as though >> it were a speaker phone.. that would help. thanks for responses so >> far! > > If I understand you, you want to use the Mac to record in some normal > audio app. You want to record off a phone line, so you're thinking, > hey, > why not plug the phone into the mac's built-in modem port? > > Knowing nothing about contemporary macs -- does the same port ever get > used, say, to make your mac a speaker phone, an answering machine, etc? > > I would GUESS not (anymore) and if that's the case, there's a 99% > chance > this will not work; that phoneline probably goes directly to a > modem-on-a-chip and whatever A/D is done to transceive modem data is > probably invisible to the system. > > I could be wrong though! If you *can* use the modem port to make your > mac > say an answering machine, that implies that the system can read/write > an > audio stream to that plug and your idea is a good one -- as long as > someone wrote software to do it for you... :) > > But pending any other ideas I would recommend just buying one of the > phone > tappers, and running into the line/mic in on the Mac... > > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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DJALMA PRIMORDIAL SCIENCE Track: (T) raum: Basalt, Granite, Limestone Album: The Only Escape Is A Dream Label: Orphan Sounds Abrimos el programa de esta semana con algo que no podemos dejar pasar aunque sea inusual, o quizá precisamente por eso. Se trata del sonido de una compañía de teatro llamada Djalma Primordial Science, formada por la bailarina Ephia y el artista sonoro Jeff Gburek, ella improvisa sus movimientos mientras él también improvisa con guitarras y electrónica sobre una base de composición previa. Esta obra (The Only Escape Is A Dream) fue grabada durante varias actuaciones en Nuevo México y ha sido posteriormente editada y mezclada por Gburek para editarla en su sello Orphan Sounds We open this week's programming with something that we cannot pass through although it is unusual, maybe for that precise reason. The sounds of a theatre company named Djalma Primordial Science, formed by the dancer Ephia and the sound artist Jeff Gburek: she improvises her movements while he also improvises with guitars and electronics on a base of previous composition. This work (The Only Escape Is A Dream) was recorded during several performances in New Mexico and it has been edited and mixed later on by Gburek for this release in his Orphan Sounds label 02. JEFF GBUREK Track: Energarium I Album: Energariums Label: Nur Nicht Nur Continuamos con los sonidos de Jeff Gburek , artista sonoro de Nuevo México, en los Estados Unidos, que además de trabajar obras de improvisación para teatro, como la anterior, realiza composiciones de música electroacústica con guitarras y múltiples artilugios sonoros. Esto procede de su disco Energariums, editado el año pasado en el sello alemán Nur Nicht Nur Jeff Gburek is a sound artist from New Mexico, in the United States, that besides working in improvisative works for theater, as the previous one, he carries out compositions of electroacoustic music with guitars and multiple sound devices. This comes from his Energariums album, released last year in the German label Nur Nicht Nur 03. GREG KELLEY Track: The Peeled Ones I Album: The Peeled Ones I-III Label: Fargone Records El trompetista experimental Greg Kelley lanzaba en 2003 dos trabajos bajo la apariencia de un grupo falso llamado The Peeled Ones, primero y segundo volúmen salieron a la calle sin ninguna respuesta. Pues bien, decidido a dar salida a este proyecto complementarios, para el que utiliza improvisaciones con sintetizadores y guitarra, ha publicado recientemente la tercera parte de The Peeled Ones junto a una reedición de los dos volúmenes anteriores que nadie parece tener. Edita el sello neoyorkino Fargone Records Eexperimental trumpet player Greg Kelley rushed in 2003 two works under the appearance of a false group called The Peeled Ones, first and second volumes came out without any answer from the media. Then he, resolved to give a chance to this complementary project, for which he uses improvisations with synthesizers and guitar, he has recently released the third part of The Peeled Ones, together with a reissue of the two previous volumes that nobody seems to know about. Released from New York by Fargone Records 04. GÜNTER MÜLLER & STEINBRÜCHEL Track: Geneva 4 Album: Perspectives Label: List Nos trasladamos al continente europeo para escuchar una novedad del sello francés List, la colaboración entre dos músicos de muy diferente formación, el alemán Günter Müller y el suizo Ralph Steinbrüchel, que publican 12 piezas improvisadas posteriormente retrabajadas en el estudio con el nombre conjunto de "Perspectives" We move to European lands to listen to a novelty from the French label List, a collaboration between two musicians of very different formation, the German Günter Müller and the Swiss Ralph Steinbrüchel, that are releasing 12 improvised pieces later reworked in the studio with the name of "Perspectives" 05. PHILIP JECK / JANEK SCHAEFER Track: Kerameikos Album: Songs For Europe Label: Asphodel Songs For Europe es el proyecto conjunto del australiano Philip Jeck y el británico Janek Schaefer, desarrollado el año pasado a caballo entre Estambul y Atenas, partiendo del material sonoro local, desde antiguos vinilos a emisiones de radio. Jeck y Schaefer visitan esta semana La Casa Encendida por partida doble: el jueves 10 actuarán ambos en solitario y el viernes 11 tendremos oportunidad de escuchar en directo lo que suena, su colaboración Songs For Europe, cuya versión grabada se puede encontrar gracias al sello Asphodel Songs For Europe is the combined project of the Australian Philip Jeck and the British Janek Schaefer, developed last year between Istanbul and Athens, departing from local sound material, from old vinyls to radio emissions. Jeck and Schaefer are visiting this week La Casa Encendida in a double session: on Thursday 10 both will do solo performances and on Friday 11 we will have opportunity to listen live to their collaboration Songs For Europe, whose recorded version can be found thanks to the Asphodel label 06. BIRCHVILLE CAT MOTEL Track: Blonde Moth Burial Album: Chi Vampires Label: Celebrate Psi Phenomenon Una muestra de Chi Vampires, nuevo álbum de Birchville Cat Motel desde Nueva Zelanda, que incluye 4 cortes entre el miedo y la redención. Escuchamos el que abre este nuevo trabajo a cargo de Campbell Kneale, el cerebro que se encuentra detrás de este interesante proyecto A sample from Chi Vampires, new album of Birchville Cat Motel from New Zealand, that includes 4 tracks between fear and redemption. We listen to the one that opens this new work by Campbell Kneale, the brain behind this interesting project ______ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. 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Thu Mar 10 10:49:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34698-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5704 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:49:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 5692 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:49:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] XStreamRadio Top-Ten Playlist To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WinNNPQJ37nnnE5GzaP8vQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_WinNNPQJ37nnnE5GzaP8vQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, A new top-ten playlist has been added to our website a few weeks ago. Tracks are streamable at 32 and 128 kbps. http://xstreamradio.free.fr/topten.htm Also announcing a Mou-Lips/Pirandelo special day on XStream-Radio very shortly. More details and scheduling info soon... | XStream Top Ten+Two=Twelve - #25 | All contributions sorted by alphabetical order: ---------- 3x3is9 -------------------------- (1.8)sec.records ------------------ ---------- Fm3 ----------------------------- Bip_Hop ----------------------------- ---------- Frame -------------------------- Mousikelab ------------------------- ---------- GOO ---------------------------- Fibrr ----------------------------------- ---------- Julie Rousse ----------------- Conv ----------------------------------- ---------- Mitchell Akiyama ---------- (1.8)sec.records ------------------- ---------- My Fun ------------------------ Stasisfield --------------------------- ---------- Nim ----------------------------- Carte-Postale Records ---------- ---------- O.Lamm ---------------------- Active Suspension ---------------- ---------- Pirandelo --------------------- DSPrecs + Baskaru -------------- ---------- Rothkamm ------------------- Flux Records ----------------------- ---------- Sagan -------------------------- Vague Terrain ---------------------- | 3x3is9 | 3x3is9 is Chris Bryan, a minimalist sound artist from Winnipeg, Canada. Chris is not only a musician, he also is the curator of the new challenging electronic music label (1.8)sec.records, whose 1st LP "(1.8)sec.comp" recently came out. The track "|||~" comes from a 2004 release called "For Britt & Donna's Wedding Social", and is entirely made out of picture files. | Fm3 | Fm3 is a Beijing-based collective of computer and classical musicians headed up by long-term China resident Christiaan Virant. Active in the Chinese punk underground for nearly a decade, Virant founded Fm3 in early 2000 as China's first-ever experiment in live abstract electronica. Working closely with Sichuan-born laptop artist Zhang Jian and an ensemble of classical instrumentalists, Fm3 focuses on digitally distilling ancient Chinese folk tradition into an organic, meditative, and minimalist soundscape. | Frame | Frame has always privileged writing evocations of apparently quiet landscapes often crossed by sudden gashes of tearing white, a musical world pinpointed with digital frequencies and at the same time made unpredictable by the constant interaction with analogue and acoustic sounds. The music of these neapolitan musicians, sometimes soft, often driven by dissonant shudders, with the collaboration of Marco Messina and Retina.it in some tracks, is suggesting new musical and neuronal connections: music you've got to listen to and "see" with your eyes closed. | GOO | GOO is Grand Orchestre d'Ordinateurs (Grand Computer Orchestra). The project came out of the APO33 collective research program, and was first presented on Friday 15th November 2002 at the Museum of Fine Arts in Nantes. Six artists work together on the public presentation of this "orchestra", analysing it from every possible angle, unravelling, unbuckling, skinning it until they discover the cracks that will lead them to new modes of creation.... | Julie Rousse | Julie Rousse is a Paris-based sound artist, whose technique involves the improvisation of abstract narrative using live audio software. In her recent work "Des Restes Humains", the movement remains suspended between the sole coordinates of the anticipated momentary release predetermined by the advent of the inevitable breakdown of the system/machine. The sounds she produces, evoke a perpetual loosening of fixed coordinates, an incessant structural slippage under the constraints of enduring narrative duress... | Mitchell Akiyama / (1.8)sec.comp | (1.8)sec.records is a new electronic label from Winnipeg that recently issued its first release called "(1.8)sec.comp", an LP compilation for which each artist submitted a 1.8 second loop to be used as a lock groove. The loops were then randomly paired up with other artists on the compilation. The only limitation to what they could create was that their song would end with another artist's lock groove. The contribution featured here is composed by Mitchell Akiyama and ends with a lock by 3x3is9. | My Fun | Currently based in London after a move from New-York City, sound artist and composer Justin Hardison (aka My Fun) presents a suite of three short pieces of processed samples, field recordings and electronics that convey the excitement, frenzy, and melancholy associated with the process of relocating to a faraway city. The complete release is available at Stasisfield.com and another one is currently in preparation for Grain of Sound. | Nim | Nim is Jean-François Flamey, from Belgium. Since a few years, he experiments sounds and beats with his computer, and in 2003 he choosed the moniker of Nim (a medicinal plant which calms down every aches) to release his music. Jean-François uses to work during hours and hours on microscopic sounds and then places melodies and acoustic stuffs on its to create a very intimate music which can be described as melancholic but not sad. Nim is also the label manager of Carte-Postale Records. | O.Lamm | So it seems that there indeed exists a spiraling world stretching between fierce riddims, talkative pop music, and laptop psychedelia. O.Lamm likes weird noise, upbeat wizardry, spiraling crawling hooks, and pompous melodies. He generates sounds from nothing as much as he kneads natural sounds through the technological prism, his prime purpose simply being to put his idealized vision of pop music into concrete form. In a few words, O.Lamm uses softwares, love and snow, and blends them to make music. | Pirandelo | Pirandelo is Claudio Sinatti (videos), Marita Cosma (images) and Andrea Gabriele (music - formerly of Mou, Lips!). Their first full-length is out now due to a collaborative deal between DSP Recordings and the new french label BASKARU. Their music is a multiplicity of voices, showcasing a synergy between digital and analogic worlds which creates original and essential structures. Their harmonic sounds are made up of glitch, pop and jazz influences. | Rothkamm | Rothkamm, the enigmatic figure of the technological avant-garde, is a composer and computer programmer. He is the inventor of the IFORMM music system. His new CD release, "FB01", is a set of 6 synthesizer pieces, which sweetens his uncompromising experimentation with the crowd-pleasing sleight of "head music". Pure electronics burble, shimmer, surge, swoop and speaker-pan in hazily melodic and crystalline shapes. "FB01" is a consummate headphone album, a crafty and cosmic delight. | Sagan | Sagan is Blevin Blectum, J.Lesser, and Jon Leidecker (aka Wobbly). Magnifying the lost-in-a-private-world-of-their-own tendencies which have marked both Lesser and Blectum releases in the past, their first full-length, "Unseen Forces", contains multitudes: cranky computers, chirpy helium speed loops, big lumbering rock drums, spiky metal guitar leads, crumbling towers of gabber stomp, pastoral piano meanderings, field recordings from bird hospitals, abrupt tempo collapses, and shivering synthesizers. It's a heady, epic trip that is likely to please the sky people and stupefy the earth people. [ http://xstreamradio.free.fr ] [ Now playing: Experimental and Electronic music ] --Boundary_(ID_WinNNPQJ37nnnE5GzaP8vQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 09:47:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34697-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84533 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:47:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 84523 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:47:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:47:42 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cello distorted on playback . eq help needed In-reply-to: <r02010400-1026-1544881C909A11D9890B000502896A9E@[192.168.0.100]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1026-1544881C909A11D9890B000502896A9E@[192.168.0.100]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 9, 2005, at 7:52 AM, john hudak wrote: >> >> On Mar 8, 2005, at 10:13 AM, john hudak wrote: >>> i'm having a bit of trouble with the reproduction of the cello on my >>> regular stereo system, especially when playing it through the >>> combination of apple express wireless via (airtunes) itunes. >> >> So you have the stupid "sound enhancer" on in iTunes? Check your > prefs. >> >> - John > > thanks john. "sound enchancer" and "sound check" were both "on." that > is the problem. i wonder what percentage of listeners are using itunes > with both of these options on (crossfade playback as well). if a > bankcard person i talked to recently is correct (i doubt it), and only > 3% of computer users use macs, then i guess i don't need to worry about > trying to make a version playable through the "sound enhancer." the > idea of some people listening with distortion though kind of bugs me... Indeed. Same here. I tell everyone to turn it off when I get the opportunity. A very silly feature. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 09:20:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34696-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76124 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:20:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 76114 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:20:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:20:20 +0100 From: "Remco Bladel, van" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_U6lkJ0sqQMcKv50INVTpng)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_U6lkJ0sqQMcKv50INVTpng) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon, You can try WireTap, it's a small program that records all sounds going in and out of your Mac. Remco http://www.sonidogris.com Op 10-mrt-05 om 2:06 heeft jon het volgende geschreven: > dear fellow microsounders, > > i was wondering if anybody knew of a way (on a mac, this is) to record > the audio that comes from the modem. i'm trying to do a phone > interview and would like to have a better option than taping a > minidisc microphone to another handset on the line. > > thanks for any advice you can spare. > > - jon. > > > > > www.users.tpg.com.au/adslalnw > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -------------------------------- solar_initiative s' gravenhekje 1a 1011 tg amsterdam the netherlands -------------------------------- t +31(0)20 5213100 f +31(0)20 5213101 m +31(0)6 4222 43 58 --------------------------------- http://www.solar.nl --Boundary_(ID_U6lkJ0sqQMcKv50INVTpng)-- From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 04:57:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34695-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95094 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:57:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 95081 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:57:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:57:23 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Fwd: U.N.: AIDS may kill 80M Africans by 2025 To: xxxx@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/headlines/aids306 U.N.: AIDS may kill 80M Africans by 2025 Date: Monday, March 07, 2005 By: Associated Press ADDIS ABABA, More than 80 million Africans may die from AIDS by 2025, the United Nations said in a report released Friday, and infections could soar to 90 million - or more than 10 percent of the continent's population - if more isn't done soon to fight the disease. More than 25 million African have been infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. UNAIDS estimated that nearly $200 billion is needed to save 16 million people from death and 43 million people from becoming infected, but donors have pledged nowhere near that amount. In its report, "AIDS in Africa," the U.N. agency examines three potential scenarios for the continent in the next 20 years depending on the international community's response. Researchers determined that even with massive funding and better treatment, the number of Africans who will die from AIDS is likely to top 67 million in the next two decades. "What we do today will change the future," concluded the report, drawn up by some of the world's leading experts on HIV and AIDS. "These scenarios demonstrate that, while societies will have to deal with AIDS for some time to come, the extent of the epidemic's impact will depend on the responses and investment now." The three scenarios include a best-case situation, a middle-case and a doomsday scenario. They all warn that the worst of the epidemic's impact is still to come. "There is no single policy prescription that will change the outcome of the epidemic," the report stated. "The death toll will continue to rise no matter what is done." Under the worst-case scenario, experts have plotted current policies and funding over the next two decades. "It offers a disturbing window on the future death toll across the continent, with the cumulative number of people dying from AIDS increasing more than fourfold," it says. "The number of children orphaned by the epidemic will continue to rise beyond 2025." While there is no cure for HIV or AIDS, anti-retroviral drugs can allow sufferers to live a normal life. Such drugs, though, are too expensive for most Africans, who live on less than a dollar a day and don't have access to modern health care. Experts have said donors' money needs to be spent to train more health workers, develop better clinics and subsidize medications as well as promote more prevention programs. AIDS already has a devastating impact on Africa. UNAIDS has reported that life expectancy in nine countries has dropped to below 40 because of the disease. There are already 11 million orphans because of AIDS, while 6,500 people are dying each day. In 2004, 3.1 million Africans were newly infected, the agency said. "If by 2025, millions of African people are still becoming infected with HIV each year, these scenarios suggest that it will not be because there was no choice," the report said. "It will be because, collectively, there was insufficient political will to change behavior at all levels, from the institution, to the community, to the individual, and halt the forces driving the AIDS epidemic in Africa." Hundreds of experts and people living with the virus helped draw up the report. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 04:29:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34694-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83078 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:29:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 83068 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:29:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Swire <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Video Phones To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vBOvv4wHKwPrt8ZJHnxe5ZS65yZPr4UTvzt0DuRLCdznKwPrxZ/HVQX3K3yONKE5kqsTmQQc6RuffSS5nPaHF2uz+1b8ZfZlN2dj+doQYAqPa2BrA5NzvmelJr5lEdFjJbj4mozqDdioAkRHJdOxT0OLl7Pd2hhnKAFgl/aY72g= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am interested in getting a cellular video phone (I was looking at the Samsung a670) and transferring the footage as a quicktime file into my mac for use with Final Cut Pro. Has anyone on this list had experience with transferring and editing video content that was captured with a phone? Thanks, Ben www.foundrysite.com/benswire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 02:57:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34693-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43425 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:57:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 43410 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:57:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <01e301c52511$bd0ee970$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > time to set up an MD or anything on his end... i am just wondering > about the possibility of direct recording of a modem input on a mac. > even if there was a way to keep the port open and record it as though > it were a speaker phone.. that would help. thanks for responses so > far! If I understand you, you want to use the Mac to record in some normal audio app. You want to record off a phone line, so you're thinking, hey, why not plug the phone into the mac's built-in modem port? Knowing nothing about contemporary macs -- does the same port ever get used, say, to make your mac a speaker phone, an answering machine, etc? I would GUESS not (anymore) and if that's the case, there's a 99% chance this will not work; that phoneline probably goes directly to a modem-on-a-chip and whatever A/D is done to transceive modem data is probably invisible to the system. I could be wrong though! If you *can* use the modem port to make your mac say an answering machine, that implies that the system can read/write an audio stream to that plug and your idea is a good one -- as long as someone wrote software to do it for you... :) But pending any other ideas I would recommend just buying one of the phone tappers, and running into the line/mic in on the Mac... aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 02:39:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34692-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38087 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:39:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 38070 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:39:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:42:21 +1100 From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording In-reply-to: <01e301c52511$bd0ee970$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <01e301c52511$bd0ee970$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx here's the thing -- i actually don't have a speakerphone at all. i'm on very minimal equipment, and my interview subject probably hasn't got time to set up an MD or anything on his end... i am just wondering about the possibility of direct recording of a modem input on a mac. even if there was a way to keep the port open and record it as though it were a speaker phone.. that would help. thanks for responses so far! > another possibility though lo fi > is to have a speaker phone and > record from that. i never have had success with the radio shack phone > recording stuff. > robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 01:37:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34691-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14760 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:37:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 14749 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:37:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:36:48 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] lane-line phone recording To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <01e301c52511$bd0ee970$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx another possibility though lo fi is to have a speaker phone and record from that. i never have had success with the radio shack phone recording stuff. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [microsound] lane-line phone recording > dear fellow microsounders, > > i was wondering if anybody knew of a way (on a mac, this is) to record > the audio that comes from the modem. i'm trying to do a phone > interview and would like to have a better option than taping a minidisc > microphone to another handset on the line. > > thanks for any advice you can spare. > > - jon. > > > > > www.users.tpg.com.au/adslalnw > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 01:16:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34690-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3351 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:16:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 3341 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:16:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:16:06 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] land-line phone recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If you mean, "how can you record a phone call?" read on... The simple answer is to go to RadioShack or local equivalent where they sell phone tapping devices that will give you line-level outs for both sides of a conversation. They're made for journalists etc. Cheap. However, the quality is not that great, even with a clean phone line, which is one reason "real" radio interviews are done using ISDN lines at studios. Quiet rooms, good mics, and a high quality connection! The DIY way to do this is to do two-ended recording, where each side individually records themselves with a decent mic/MD or whatever. Whoever's on the far end makes a high-bit rate MP3 and emails the result, which can pretty easily be synced up. If you do this in conjunction with making a scratch reference recording using one of the radioshack phonetappers, you can sync it with very high accuracy of course. I've done several interviews for broadcast this way, and the quality is equal to an ISDN interview, as long as the people making the recordings on either end know what they're doing and the environment is quiet, the mics are passable, etc. best, aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 10 01:03:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34689-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98892 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:03:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 98879 invoked from network); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:03:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:06:19 +1100 From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] lane-line phone recording To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dear fellow microsounders, i was wondering if anybody knew of a way (on a mac, this is) to record the audio that comes from the modem. i'm trying to do a phone interview and would like to have a better option than taping a minidisc microphone to another handset on the line. thanks for any advice you can spare. - jon. www.users.tpg.com.au/adslalnw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 23:11:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34688-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58943 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:11:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 58930 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:11:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:11:14 -0800 From: Jorge Bachmann <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [promo] ruidobello.org In-reply-to: <011701c524e8$a2d13780$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <011701c524e8$a2d13780$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello microsounders, i wanted to announce the launch of my new small website with my sound projects! this is just the start. critiques and comments are welcome! http://ruidobello.org i have also updated my visual arts website, please take a look. http://anihilo.com from san fran en califas... have a great day paz J21 justino aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound P.O.Box 15953 San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 20:43:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34687-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84000 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:43:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 83989 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:43:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:42:22 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Coelacanth To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <011701c524e8$a2d13780$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx for folks in the bay area: Hello to you all! Welcome to yet another Public Service Announcement from The Helen Scarsdale Agency! We are delighted to announce the first collaboration between Coelacanth and Keith Evans, who will present their orchestration on Saturday, March 12, 2005 in the Lecture Hall of the San Francisco Art Institute. A fixture within the Helen Scarsdale Agency, Coelacanth is the sound art collaboration between Loren Chasse and Jim Haynes, operating the tools of an imagined science to explore the various possibilities for sound to originate from traditionally non-musical materials. Copper, stone, glass, sand, shortwave radio, rust, wind, water, and mud have been the active participants in Coelacanth's sound events and situations, invoking a sound that is an aggregate of sustained harmonics, continuously evolving sound forms, and broad gestures of textual details, and which could be described as a 'broken minimalism.' 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Wed Mar 9 15:11:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34686-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18997 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:11:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 18974 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:11:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ivan Bachev <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] STICKYPHONE To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=uGzzyWIXy4Afdymehs2sEy/DfRntGBIJnn2a4j1POPpry1kIvqcm0CWK9ncPY/ghTqs417GmTX3lPYwaEPmy/LX242HNQt/dHFbABvDiW3fAAl7cI3S75pzNhpnXqX0cXxVPxFJWbV/tHs9nUzgCyqTZ01+70vEwWdMe3hp3ctI= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I wanted to announce this recent sound-toy i've made. Hope the list would find it relevant. STICKYPHONE http://nml.cult.bg/stickyphone/ STICKYPHONE is a sound-toy to record and publish on-line audio messages. Every next message overwrites the previously stored one. Evry audio message has embeded ID3 information on it's author and date of creation. In contrast to the other messaging tools, here you have only one file which content is updateable from evryone. The decission of making archive of an audio note is to the user if he decide to download the note via the link, or put's it into his local archive from the applciation itnerface from where he could later listen and mix different audio notes. You could leave audio message and let others listen to it until it is overwrited by others. You could be responded or you could find your note bounced back if someone loads and adds it from his local archives. You could use the POST tool not only for posting voice messages but also soundscapes or any other audio information you find interesting. Ivan Bachev Boyadjik str. 2a Yambol 8600 Bulgaria tel: + 359 46 259 04 e-mail: xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx web: http://nml.cult.bg/~bachev __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Wed Mar 9 15:00:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34685-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11828 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:00:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 11818 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:00:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:03:08 -0500 From: ianepps <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] NYC : :: : PHONOMENA -- Thursday, March 10 X-Originating-IP: [68.237.112.61] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_C/GcidnwCiyDHVhsMAmEdQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2005 15:00:25.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[B97BAE00:01C524B8] --Boundary_(ID_C/GcidnwCiyDHVhsMAmEdQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Project Room 619 East 6th Street (between Ave. B & C) http://www.issueprojectroom.org http://www.phonomena.org P H O N O M E N A Thursday, March 10 Doors open at 7:30PM / $5 08:00 > BARRY WEISBLAT, DAVID DANIELL, MARGALIDA GARCIA, T.KAJIWARA 09:00 > TAKEHIRO NISHIDE & GONZO MURAKAMI 10:00 > MPLD 11:00 > UNCLE WOODY SULLENDER & KEVIN DAVIS BARRY WEISBLAT, DAVID DANIELL, MARGALIDA GARCIA, TOSHIO KAJIWARA The opening performance is centered around Barry Weisblat's amazing sound installation entitled "Chord of the Fifth Force" premiered in 2004 at the Diapason Gallery in NYC. The installation examined the effects of electromagnetism on radio transmission using battery powered fluorescent lights. It creates the same effect of signal interference caused by lightning when listening to AM radio during a thunderstorm. The performers will be surrounding the field of radios, tuning in and out of the unfolding metamusic, adding a sort of psychic frequencies to the aurora-like electromagnetic soundscape. GONZO MURAKAMI & TAKEHIRO NISHIDE Takehiro Nishide plays table-top guitar. Takehiro currently resides in London, where he improvise regulary at festivals and local sessions such as Eddie Prevost's workshop. Gonzo Murakami from Osaka plays synthesizers and electronics. Gonzo is undoubtly a legendary character in the wildly offbeat and mutant improvisation happenings in Japan. MPLD prepared and processed slide projectors The photoacoustic continuum of mpld's projection slowly flows into the performance space carrying fragments from unidentified places and times. Fades and cuts play with memory's subjective persistence, as light and darkness keep carving out each one from the other. The mechanical sounds of this projection are tapped and processed to become its own soundtrack. Color, density, texture, frequency become simultaneous qualities of the light and the sound, as they are explored in a way somewhat analogue to the distorted enlargement of a magnifying glass. UNCLE WOODY SULLENDER & KEVIN DAVIS Since migrating to Chicago from North Carolina in 1999, Woody Sullender has been performing improvised music on the banjo under the not-so-clever moniker of "Uncle Woody Sullender". His most recent recorded appearances include Nothing is Certain but Death, an album of banjo improvisations, Sound Writing, a lathe-cut record compilation/art object, and Instant Landscape, the first studio release by Fred Lonberg-Holm's large improvisation ensemble the Lightbox Orchestra. He has also recently collaborated with sound artist Maryanne Amacher, incorporating his banjo recordings into an installation scheduled for Spring 2005 at the Palacio de Bellas Artes in Mexico City. Kevin Davis plays cello. i a n e p p s i a n e p p s . c o m --Boundary_(ID_C/GcidnwCiyDHVhsMAmEdQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 12:52:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34684-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70143 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:52:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 70133 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:52:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:52:21 -0500 From: john hudak <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cello distorted on playback . eq help needed In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1026-1544881C909A11D9890B000502896A9E@[192.168.0.100]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > On Mar 8, 2005, at 10:13 AM, john hudak wrote: > > i'm having a bit of trouble with the reproduction of the cello on my > > regular stereo system, especially when playing it through the > > combination of apple express wireless via (airtunes) itunes. > > So you have the stupid "sound enhancer" on in iTunes? Check your prefs. > > - John thanks john. "sound enchancer" and "sound check" were both "on." that is the problem. i wonder what percentage of listeners are using itunes with both of these options on (crossfade playback as well). if a bankcard person i talked to recently is correct (i doubt it), and only 3% of computer users use macs, then i guess i don't need to worry about trying to make a version playable through the "sound enhancer." the idea of some people listening with distortion though kind of bugs me... best future, john jhudak at pobox.com http://www.johnhudak.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 09:30:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34683-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19981 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:30:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 19971 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:30:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:26:32 +0100 From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx Subject: [microsound] Experimental Music Showcase #3 - Aberdeen, Scotland - March 17th 7:30pm In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE5471C7.CF8A%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You are all invited to the third Experimental Music Showcase to take place at Aberdeen University's Student Union in the Hilton campus. The first hour features a new installation by Jedburgh based composer and sound artist James Wyness. "Hannah Throwing Stones" (56 minutes) is a major new contribution to the Just Intonation repertoire. It explores the lattices of the Eikosany and is diffused over an 8 channel system. Key lattices are mapped out on the enclosed floor space allowing the listener to explore the piece spatially as well as aurally. This is followed from 8.30 till 9.30 by local experimental artists Andy le Kipp and Patrick Keenan peforming a live electronic set (analogue and laptop) against a backdrop of video by local visual artist Steve Morisson. The evening ends with a final set by James Wyness performing three short works for electronics. "The first, "Dislocation", was recently selected for performance at the fifth Pixxelpoint festival held in Nova Gorica, Slovenia. The remaining two are new untitled works in progress, remixes of "Cut Glass Bowls" (2004) which has seen performances in the UK, Canada and Italy. mopani Doors open at 7pm, the event starts at 7:30 and of course it's free. For more information and directions please visit: http://www.billthompson.org/experimentalmusicshowcase3.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 08:22:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34682-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99379 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:22:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 99368 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:22:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:51:22 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cello distorted on playback . eq help needed In-reply-to: <r02010400-1026-9B8DE1B88FE411D9890B000502896A9E@[192.168.0.100]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1026-9B8DE1B88FE411D9890B000502896A9E@[192.168.0.100]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 8, 2005, at 10:13 AM, john hudak wrote: > hello folks! > (sorry for any cross-posts) > > i'm having a bit of trouble with the reproduction of the cello on my > regular stereo system, especially when playing it through the > combination of apple express wireless via (airtunes) itunes. So you have the stupid "sound enhancer" on in iTunes? Check your prefs. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 06:28:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34681-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69385 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 06:28:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 69375 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 06:28:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:28:19 +1100 From: uh lotta ukulele <xxxxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Grey Daturas & Castings...on a rooftop X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.203] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2005 06:28:19.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F6FD610:01C52471] Melbourne trio turned quartet Grey Daturas are playing a show on the rooftop of Hibernian House in Surry Hills... with help from the now Sydney-based improv. quintet Castings. Saturday the 12th of March @ Hibernian House Rooftop (follow the signs...i'm sure there will be signs) 342 Elizabeth St, Surry Hills Starts: 2pm All Ages....BYO alcohol & various meats (there will be a BBQ) Cost: Donation Or for more info/directions call Mark on 0404 837 117 _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 80,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 05:41:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34680-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57096 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 05:41:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 57081 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 05:41:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:45:00 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] thomas dolby interview To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx always one of my favourites... http://www.theonionavclub.com/feature/index.php?issue=4110 not microsound per se, but an interesting figure in the realm of technology, music, synthesis and computers... g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 9 04:40:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34679-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40584 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:40:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 40574 invoked from network); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:40:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:49:23 -0800 From: Trevor Mcpherson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] quick check on the new G4powerbooks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I use mine to record my bass. It's an active instrument, and it requires an outboard preamp to get a usable line signal. Once you get a hot enough signal, the quality is great. Not pro, but definitely usable. trev On 8-Mar-05, at 5:13 AM, s v wrote: > in my case i ´m using equally with a tascam us428 , and in reaktor the > latency is less or equal in the built-in card. > > but in some performances without midi control , i have not problems > working with the built-in card with graphical software like ixi > ,etc..... the sound looks nice too..... > > best > sergi > > > El 08/03/2005, a las 12:32, K. Scott Handley escribió: > >> I tend not to like asking way-general computer/gear >> questions on-list, but among those of you who have >> bought a g4 powerbook fairly recently (the newest >> generation, with the analog audio in/out), how does >> this book compare to previous models? Are you >> equally/more/less happy with the responsiveness of the >> machine for your audio work and (if applicable) >> performance strategies? Do you use the analog audio >> jack at all? >> >> Sorry for the generalism, best, >> >> -----s >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >> Yahoo! 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Tue Mar 8 22:11:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34678-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3141 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:11:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 3131 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:11:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:11:38 -0500 From: richard chartier / LINE <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] FREE LIVE EVENT . William Basinski and Richard Chartier @ G FINE ART (DC) March 18 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aeTzb1bs2rq75yYBIp3C+A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_aeTzb1bs2rq75yYBIp3C+A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (we recommend calling the gallery and reserving seating as soon as possible to ensure you get to attend the show) JUST ANNOUNCED!! FREE LIVE EVENT William Basinski & Richard Chartier @ G FINE ART (Washington, DC) FRIDAY MARCH 18 2005, 7:00pm G Fine Art is proud to present, in conjunction with its current exhibit GROUP LOOP, an evening of live performances/diffusions by two of North America's most well critically acclaimed minimal electronic sound artists: William Basinski (NY/LA) and Richard Chartier (DC). Last year marked the pair's first collaborative work as the cd William Basinski + Richard Chartier, released in Japan on the highly regarded Spekk recording label. Both artists recently performed and presented work at the Redcat/Disney Theatre in Los Angeles for LA Museum of Contemporary Art's Visual Music: See Hear Now series in conjunction with the museum's exhibit Visual Music: Synaesthesia in Art and Music Since 1900. This will be the first performance by William Basinski in Washington, DC as well as the first full performance by Richard Chartier in the city in over 3 years. Due to limited seating, space must be reserved in advance. please contact the gallery at: 202.462.1601 for reservations. William Basinski is a classically trained musician and composer who has been working in experimental media for over 25 years in NYC. His epic 4-disc masterwork, The Disintegration Loops (www.mmlxii.com) has received international critical acclaim. The Disintegration Loops was chosen as one of the top 50 albums of 2004 by Pitchfork Media. Art Forum selected The River, his transcendental 2-disc release on Raster-Noton (Germany), as one of the top ten albums of 2003. Installations and films made in collaboration with artist-filmmaker, James Elaine have been presented internationally, most recently at REDCAT at the Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles for The Museum of Contemporary Art’s Visual Music exhibition. Their film, Variations, premiered at the Rotterdam International Film Festival and will be released in a DVD edition by IDEA Records (USA) in 2005. Basinski’s new 2-CD album, Variations: A Movement in Chrome Primitive, was released in fall 2004 by Durtro/Die Stadt (Germany). His monthly web-radio program, The Slipstream, can be heard on PS1/MOMA’s new art-radio station, WPS1.org. In the last year, Mr. Basinski’s performances and installations have been presented at the ECOUTE Exhibition at Pompidou Centre (Paris, France); VISUAL MUSIC: SEE HEAR NOW at MoCA (Los Angeles); G Fine Arts (Washington, DC); Instal Festival (Glasgow, Scotland); The Project (NYC); The Sculpture Center (NYC); Villa Croce Contemporary Art Museum (Genoa, Italy); The Bonn Bienale (Bonn, Germany); The Sensoralia Festival at the Palladium Theater (Rome, Italy), and Recombinant Media Labs (San Francisco). WEBSITE: http://www.mmlxii.com Richard Chartier, sound/installation artist and graphic designer, has created critically acclaimed recordings for labels such as 12k/LINE (USA), Trente Oiseaux (Germany), Spekk (Japan), Mutek_rec (Canada), and Fallt (Ireland), including collaborations with artists Taylor Deupree, William Basinski, COH, and *0 and has appeared on numerous international compilations. His digital minimalist work explores the inter-relationships between the spatial nature of sound, silence, focus, and the act of listening. Chartier’s sound works and sound installations have been presented internationally including in the exhibits Sounding Spaces at ICC (Tokyo, Japan), I Moderni / The Moderns at Castello di Rivoli (Torino, Italy), 2002 Biennial at the Whitney Museum of American Art (NY), Resynthesis at The Art Institute of Chicago and with the travelling sound exhibit Invisible Cities created by digital media curators Fehler as well as solo and collaborative installations for Fusebox (DC) and Diapason (NY). He has performed his work live across Europe, Japan, and North America at MUTEK (Montreal, Canada), GRM/Maison de Radio France (Paris, France), DEAF (Dublin, Ireland), Observatori (Valencia, Spain), Transmediale (Berlin, Germany), Lovebytes (Sheffield, UK), The Leeds International Film Festival (Leeds,UK), The Rotterdam International Film Festival (NE), Garage (Stralsund, Germany) and other noted digital art/music festivals and at exhibits such as Frequenzen [Hz] at the Schirn Kunsthalle (Frankfurt) and A Minimal Future? Art as Object 1958-1968 and as the collaborative performance work CHESSMACHINE (with Ivan Pavlov) at Visual Music 1905-2005 at the Museum of Contemporary Art (Los Angeles). In 2000 he formed the recording label LINE and has since curated its continuing documentation of compositional and installation work by international sound artists and composers exploring the aesthetics of contemporary and digital minimalism. The premiere release on LINE, Chartier’s Series as awarded Honorable Mention in the category of Digital Music by the prestigious Prix Ars Electronica, 2001 (Austria). WEBSITE: http://www.3particles.com --Boundary_(ID_aeTzb1bs2rq75yYBIp3C+A)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 19:13:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34677-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31312 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:13:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 31301 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:13:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: Gregory Elliott <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Ethedrone Muzac X-Originating-IP: [67.65.9.26] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Eon-Sig: AQF85gpCLfkwAAZDWAEAAAAB,90a9940c16b8f120922f3ef8c1ce5cd2 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ethedrone Muzac Ethedrone Muzac is an experimental musick label based in Austin, Texas that has been in existence since 2001 at a very underground level, but we are doing a major push to get good quality sound art to the people at affordable prices by offering these new and upcoming releases. 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Doug Ferguson - Lexical Passages (2XCD) - guitars and homemade electronics meld to provide voluminous drone textures order at: http://www.ethedrone.com standard apologies for cross posting http://spagirus.ivdt.net _____________________________________________________________ FREE Email, FREE Websites, FREE Blogs, Occult Auctions, Books, Rituals, Archives, Discussion Area and more at http://www.chaosmagic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 19:09:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34676-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28695 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:09:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 28683 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:09:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:09:02 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] cello distorted on playback . eq help needed In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Organization: groovylab MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - liberty.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovylab.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi John, Like Bill points out, you want to make sure iTunes EQ, Sound Enhancer and Sound Checker are turned off. If they are off and you still hear the distortion it may have to do with your volume setting on the various devices. A general rule to avoid distortion is to use a lower volume -- less gain -- at the source. A very basic example... - iTunes Vol set at 3 - Mac vol set at 5 - Amp connected to AirportXPr set at 7 Also, if using EQ in your mix or master try to cut rather than to boost. It is very difficult to mix and master acoustic instruments, there is no way to force a listener to the settings we would like, so the most basic -- emphasis on basic -- suggestion is to lower your mix a bit so that it works on most popular settings. hope this helps and all is well, cheers, Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://groovylab.com/ > > hello folks! > > (sorry for any cross-posts) > > > > i'm having a bit of trouble with the reproduction of the cello on my > > regular stereo system, especially when playing it through the > > combination of apple express wireless via (airtunes) > itunes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 17:46:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34674-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86568 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:46:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 86542 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:46:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:41:04 -0400 From: microbio <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] BIODATA NEWS To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Matched-Lists: [] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on rs25s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Biodata is back with 2 new releases and a new web site: biodata09: OVERTRUSTER: bursum noise Noise from Minneapolis. biodata10: Oscar Santis: Anti Baile Ambient noise from Valparaíso, Chile. -------- up coming: .at/on Chistian Galarreta V.A.: La Paz Vol2 -------- www.biodata.microbiorecords.net www.microbiorecords.net Mérida, Venezuela. www.microbiorecords.net www.biodata.microbiorecords.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 17:13:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34673-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64911 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:13:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 64900 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:13:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:15:19 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No, other people have to figure out the part about dragging the slider and hitting play, such mundane details would only soil the radiance of the transcendental Platonic "IDEA" which the conceptual artist produces... However, it still sounds very good, though perhaps most credit should go to the guy who actually coded the algorithm. This does open up some interesting problems with artistic collaborations in terms of division of labor, power, and recognition. ~David If by "idea", he means "drag a slider to 0.05 and hit play"... Still, he very well might have exposed the secret behind any number of drone/ambient albums from the last ten years. - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 15:13:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34672-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33775 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:13:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 33765 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:13:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:13:18 -0500 From: john hudak <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] cello distorted on playback . eq help needed In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010400-1026-9B8DE1B88FE411D9890B000502896A9E@[192.168.0.100]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.4 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello folks! (sorry for any cross-posts) i'm having a bit of trouble with the reproduction of the cello on my regular stereo system, especially when playing it through the combination of apple express wireless via (airtunes) itunes. it is odd that when i play the cello pieces using the combination of airfoil (the new rogueamoeba airtunes substitute) and peak, the distortion is not there. my main concern is that a lot of people listen through itunes, and i'm wondering if it might have something to do with the eq in itunes. if so, i wonder if there is a way i can eq the cello in a sort of "flat" way so it doesn't distort. if some of you wouldn't mind letting me know how these pieces sound through your systems, it would help me a lot, since these pieces were the ones where the distortions first started to bother me (and perhaps i shouldn't worry about it): http://www.johnhudak.net/radio the mp3s will start playing automatically. you can download them to disk using the computer icon with the arrow (on the mac it works if you mouse-down on the icon and wait for the contextual menu). thanks for any help/comments/suggestions/interpretations! best future, john jhudak at pobox.com http://www.johnhudak.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 13:13:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34671-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98190 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:13:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 98174 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:13:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:13:47 +0100 From: s v <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] quick check on the new G4powerbooks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx in my case i ´m using equally with a tascam us428 , and in reaktor the latency is less or equal in the built-in card. but in some performances without midi control , i have not problems working with the built-in card with graphical software like ixi ,etc..... the sound looks nice too..... best sergi El 08/03/2005, a las 12:32, K. Scott Handley escribió: > I tend not to like asking way-general computer/gear > questions on-list, but among those of you who have > bought a g4 powerbook fairly recently (the newest > generation, with the analog audio in/out), how does > this book compare to previous models? Are you > equally/more/less happy with the responsiveness of the > machine for your audio work and (if applicable) > performance strategies? Do you use the analog audio > jack at all? > > Sorry for the generalism, best, > > -----s > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! 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Tue Mar 8 11:33:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34670-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76110 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:33:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 76094 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:33:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Scott Handley" <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] quick check on the new G4powerbooks To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3glmrwAjkGb5tG36tSRh/7hT2aBR/Y7aYO0ZyqCKVUAYvkLyRtuyc39rdiuQjZLpL4AQGpGj/IWwqbd972J1HUdT+3jpFJhKJcUsDF4XkgMVlp3xmm1PyZO3mFAGpleWN4OblMIM6xN4au82hdcQa8ctMjZIwoVMRfWnRjlhFkQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I tend not to like asking way-general computer/gear questions on-list, but among those of you who have bought a g4 powerbook fairly recently (the newest generation, with the analog audio in/out), how does this book compare to previous models? Are you equally/more/less happy with the responsiveness of the machine for your audio work and (if applicable) performance strategies? Do you use the analog audio jack at all? Sorry for the generalism, best, -----s __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 06:44:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34669-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 01:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 01:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98032 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:44:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 98020 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:44:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:44:01 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > As I recall the algo for the timestretch was custom-coded in SND I > think, > it wasn't an off-the-shelf existing tool. Listening to the attacks I > was > pretty sure it was done basically by building a dense "wavefront" of > deeply layered regularly offset long samples with very long fades > in/out. > I didn't get the impression it was actually doing any transient > analysis, > so much of it is droney strings/winds etc. that that didn't matter > though. > Leif didn't do the algo himself, he had a collaborator who helped him > with > that aspect -- he's not a sound artist, he describes himself as an > "idea > artist." If by "idea", he means "drag a slider to 0.05 and hit play"... Still, he very well might have exposed the secret behind any number of drone/ambient albums from the last ten years. - Scott Carver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 00:18:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34668-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71771 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:18:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 71761 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:18:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:18:18 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > does anyone know what algorithm they used to stretch that? it sounds > amazing. > > > http://mrtg.planetmirror.com/pub/9beetstretch/ Leif Inge (the artist) presented the entire 24 hours at a special sleep-over concert we did at my warehouse last year; it was quite a thing to stay up to listen to the whole thing -- an experience that transcended the pros and cons of any independent section taken on its own merits I would say. Theoretically the entire thing is going to be released by Table of the Elements, but that was originally scheduled for last year. Who knows when it will actualy come out. The plan was for it to be MP3s I believe; even on DVD it is tiled on 4 or 5 disks at 16/44! As I recall the algo for the timestretch was custom-coded in SND I think, it wasn't an off-the-shelf existing tool. Listening to the attacks I was pretty sure it was done basically by building a dense "wavefront" of deeply layered regularly offset long samples with very long fades in/out. I didn't get the impression it was actually doing any transient analysis, so much of it is droney strings/winds etc. that that didn't matter though. Leif didn't do the algo himself, he had a collaborator who helped him with that aspect -- he's not a sound artist, he describes himself as an "idea artist." FWIW I made an impressionist radio piece about the experience/piece, which I named "The Idea of Ninth"; if you go to: http://www.fieldeffects.org and scroll down to "9 Beet Stretch" you will see links to two versions of the piece, my original and the half-length version they actually had time to air. best aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 00:17:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34667-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70399 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:17:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 70375 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:17:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: CHAD J VOLLRATH <xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] HeardHub on display in Karlsruhe, Germany X-Originating-IP: 67.165.48.224 X-Sender: cjv106 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Penn State WebMail Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx HeardHub, part of Carbon Defense League's MapHub project will be on display at ZKM Center for Art and Media from March 19 - August 7. Experimental field recording / mapping project. MapHub™ was invited to be exhibited in Karlsruhe, Germany from March 19th until August 7th, 2005 as part of an exhibit at the ZKM Center for Art and Media called Making Things Public. Atmospheres of Democracy. The exhibit is curated by Peter Weibel, Bruno LaTour, and Steve Dietz. For the installation in Karslruhe, Carbon Defense League has collaborated with artist Greg Baltus to create MapMover. MapMover is a robotic mechanism that uses two computer controlled servo motors to move an LED behind a translucent wall-mounted map of Pittsburgh. The translucent wall mounted map is constructed from an acrylic sheet and a semi-opaque print on vellum, and represents street level data from the city. The MapMover moves the LED behind the acrylic in two dimensions, playing back sounds from the MapHub™ Heard Hub. The sound playback time occurs relative to the time the sound was recorded during a twenty-four hour day, but is condensed and looped into a period of two hours for the purpose of the exhibit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 8 00:10:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34666-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62699 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:10:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 62688 invoked from network); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:10:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 01:10:34 +0100 From: mik <xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx they used snd & common lisp music: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/clm.html http://www.notam02.no/9/main.htm m David Powers schreef: > Yes, I was wondering the same thing... this is actually quite > impressive! I thought it couldn't work until I actually took a listen. > > ~David > -------------------------------------------- ----------- http://www.mprims.tk -------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 23:55:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34665-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49490 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 49480 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:57:11 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, I was wondering the same thing... this is actually quite impressive! I thought it couldn't work until I actually took a listen. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 03/07/05 05:21PM >>> does anyone know what algorithm they used to stretch that? it sounds amazing. k On Mar 6, 2005, at 8:12 PM, graham miller wrote: > http://mrtg.planetmirror.com/pub/9beetstretch/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 23:21:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34664-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30878 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:21:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 30867 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:21:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:21:11 -0800 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx does anyone know what algorithm they used to stretch that? it sounds amazing. k On Mar 6, 2005, at 8:12 PM, graham miller wrote: > http://mrtg.planetmirror.com/pub/9beetstretch/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 20:04:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34663-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34224 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:04:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 34214 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:04:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] bbs back-online In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bbs: brad brace sound http://63.170.215.11:8000/ http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/undisclosed.html (my modem died while I was away in Asia; all seems well now) only 3 simultaneous, patient, discriminating users now with over 133 hours of shuffled field recordings! /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 18:14:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34662-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95900 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 95885 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:16:12 +0100 From: TeZ <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] ::: The AntiPiracy Remix ::: To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Antivirus-Submultimedia.tv-Mail-From: xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx via dns X-Antivirus-Submultimedia.tv: 1.24st (Clear:RC:1(82.92.39.45):. Processed in 0.049408 secs Process 16363) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18524897.100 The AntiPiracy Remix How would you react if the voice of a record-company boss boomed through your speakers and berated you for pirating music? You may find out, if the music industry decides to adopt an invention by Mark Bocko and Zeljko Ignjatovic of New York city. With help from the US Air Force Research Laboratory, the inventors found they could bury around 20 kilobits of speech data in a song without affecting how it sounds (US patent application 2005/0033579). Their technique exploits the fact that the tones of a musical instrument are made up of a complex pattern of randomly phased harmonics. By forcing a few of these harmonics to move in and out of phase with a chosen reference, they can be made to convey a digital message. These phase shifts are so small they are imperceptible to the ear. But a software decoder, which could be built into MP3 players or file-sharing applications, detects the phase shifts and turns them into speech. ------------------------ I find it incredible! :::TeZ::: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 17:25:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34661-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75068 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:25:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 75058 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:25:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:19:08 +0100 From: Dario Sanfilippo <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Jeremy Dickens <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I4P81ch7R+SiqYoPTE+LX4+EiEn2fMoIzGu3hKKHu++5GxTf5deAAVJHOBUqZSyhunFPBaemlICKgT0+S0f3kjO/jWdMHl8bmbIVhkkN5PrhuAzA8VkPM4LjFb9fD/Tx6PMR6E1dRfr/WdxrU9Dy4rmre5jMnGagUyLck5DJyOc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, that's how it works in most countries, the Copyright Holder is the creator of the work, unless he/she explicitly transfers his rights to another person/entity. And, still in most countries, the Copyright is _full_ by default (All Rights Reserved). So what Scene.org thinks to do is a bit absurd, according to me. Anyway... Remember that the CC license BY-NC-ND 2.0 says: "You are free: to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work" That would not protect but would allow Scene.org to keep the files up (i mean legally CC-licensed files). Even if i think that CC licenses are a good thing i wouldn't make them a standard; i guess it's better the approach Archive.org adopted: you are free to keep your Copyright full or choose the CC license you like more. Ciao, Dario. On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:56:34 -0600, Jeremy Dickens <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I don't think scene.org has a leg to stand on here - under the CC > license that they've applied to those works, the following line > applies: "Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission > from the copyright holder." The holder in this case is NOT scene.org, > but the creator of the work. If the creator of the work wishes to > re-sell or remove the content from the site, the CC-license does not > protect scene.org against that happening, because scene.org doesn't > own the work. > > Then again, it's good for them and the people who contribute there to > adopt the Creative Commons licensing as a standard for the work on > their site. > > -- > Jeremy Dickens / Logickal > OffnominalAudio - Discrepancy Recordings > http://www.offnominal.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. 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Mon Mar 7 17:19:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34660-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72142 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:19:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 72130 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:19:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:19:08 +0100 From: Dario Sanfilippo <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Jeremy Dickens <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Znuh0F4K/0zUByoAt4g6MLXcHycHL3MUHdwwDO0y+Q764Xf+tWAINZ2s+Yv2S/dUbtOXA1LB/u1Z32HlERRFrQ5QW6d+EAH0h19+OHydwseFYrEpS39Ce67iNd1YQRYHlvS3OUZtrnsu7KALpmksE7iq4MoqfFl0uhHNMIcP1ts= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, that's how it works in most countries, the Copyright Holder is the creator of the work, unless he/she explicitly transfers his rights to another person/entity. And, still in most countries, the Copyright is _full_ by default (All Rights Reserved). So what Scene.org thinks to do is a bit absurd, according to me. Anyway... Remember that the CC license BY-NC-ND 2.0 says: "You are free: to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work" That would not protect but would allow Scene.org to keep the files up (i mean legally CC-licensed files). Even if i think that CC licenses are a good thing i wouldn't make them a standard; i guess it's better the approach Archive.org adopted: you are free to keep your Copyright full or choose the CC license you like more. Ciao, Dario. On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:56:34 -0600, Jeremy Dickens <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I don't think scene.org has a leg to stand on here - under the CC > license that they've applied to those works, the following line > applies: "Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission > from the copyright holder." The holder in this case is NOT scene.org, > but the creator of the work. If the creator of the work wishes to > re-sell or remove the content from the site, the CC-license does not > protect scene.org against that happening, because scene.org doesn't > own the work. > > Then again, it's good for them and the people who contribute there to > adopt the Creative Commons licensing as a standard for the work on > their site. > > -- > Jeremy Dickens / Logickal > OffnominalAudio - Discrepancy Recordings > http://www.offnominal.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein. http://tirriddiliu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 06:56:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34659-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35341 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:56:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 35329 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:56:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:56:15 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Subject: RE: [microsound] time to kill X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = e7300c034f77f2ab404f31aebf65cb41 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS....ITS A LINK TO A SHOW I RECENTLY SAW WHERE THE MOVIE PSYCHO WAS SLOWED DOWN TO A 24 HOUR PERFORMANCE.... http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2004/11/15/32530.html _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 06:12:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34658-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4779 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:12:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 4698 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:12:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:12:14 -0500 From: Peter McCarter <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill In-reply-to: <a05200f0cbe518cbb9812@[1.255.244.143]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <a05200f0cbe518cbb9812@[1.255.244.143]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It was written in five movements, but with a direct segue, so it sounds like four. Massimiliano Viel wrote: >> http://mrtg.planetmirror.com/pub/9beetstretch/ > > > the 9th symphony in 5 movements? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 04:45:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34657-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75288 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:45:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 75278 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:45:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 05:45:17 +0100 From: Massimiliano Viel <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] time to kill In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-Sender: mail%xxxxxxx.xx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a05200f0cbe518cbb9812@[1.255.244.143]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >http://mrtg.planetmirror.com/pub/9beetstretch/ the 9th symphony in 5 movements? -- M a s s i m i l i a n o V i e l http://www.maxviel.it http://www.otolab.net/projects/sn/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 04:27:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34656-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71021 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:27:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 71011 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:27:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:26:42 -0500 From: Frank D'Urso <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Solar In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bobby, I wrote my Masters Thesis on this. I currently have one 125 watt solar panel that I charge car batteries with. The best thing the solar industry could do would be to develop MORE safe and affordable inverters that put power directly back into your home and any excess goes out onto the grid.....saving you money....BUT there has been energy industry pushback (agaisn the MS-100 inverter) because the energy industry doesn't want people plugging in something that gives back power.....it's JUST as safe as plugging in something that consumes power.....they just don't want a two way street.... That said, check out www.homesolar.com and you'll find a lot of US based information. A friend of mine from teh UK has a brother that lives in Brussels and works for a company that is big in teh EC on alternative energy stuff..... The best answer right now is to purchase a 125 panel (about 750 $ US) and a portable battery system. BP is a big promotoer of Solar stuff by the way..... So anyway - It is possible, it's still too expensive, and there is big industry oposition (as well as little US govt progress), the EC has a better outlook right now. If you want to be portable and charge up during the day that's teh way to go. If you want to improve the efficiency of your studio and be kinder to teh earth let's start demanding affordable inverters and soalr panels! Frank "sunlight" D'Urso PS - an old radioshack electronics kit I have made good audio use of a small solar panel.....I can hear the sun singing <<< hello, I have been thinking of whether it would be possible to set up solar panels to power a battery from which i could run a small amount (computer, monitors, soundcard and maybe one other thing, all on their own power supplies at the moment) of sound-making equipment in the evenings. So far all the sites i have found have been firing anti-nuclear-power spiel at me, without much info on how i could actually set such a system up, what kind of panels would be needed etc.. I live in southern england, not the sunniest of places, but i was thinking that maybe the battery could power up during most of the day, so that i might use the power entirely from the battery. I was wondering if any microsounders have personal experience of setting up such systems (on a budget) or any pointers for how I could proceed, (do they need to be licenced, or checked by any safety authority) . Any information or ideas would be greatly appreciated. thanks . Bobby Whelan>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Mar 7 04:09:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34655-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62841 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:09:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 62831 invoked from network); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:09:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:12:49 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] time to kill To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://mrtg.planetmirror.com/pub/9beetstretch/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Mar 6 00:36:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34654-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52227 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:36:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 52216 invoked from network); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:36:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:36:47 -0800 From: Trevor <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] solar power In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 24.80.170.176 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Give this a whirl: http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid189.php Quoting s v <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > perhaps > > http://www.icpsolar.com/index2.php3 ?? > > > best > s > > > El 05/03/2005, a las 16:19, Tyler Adams escribió: > > > there is a 'solar backpack' on the market now but it doesn't generate > > enough power for a computer, 4 watts: > > > > http://www.vivavi.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=250 > > > > another company is putting out a similar solar backpack soon that has > > more > > solar cells and larger storage batteries. > > > > http://www.rewarestore.com/ > > > > -tyler > > > > > >> > >> hello, I have been thinking of whether it would be possible to > >> set > >> up > >> solar panels to power > >> a battery from which i could run a small amount (computer, monitors, > >> soundcard and maybe one other thing, all on their own power supplies > >> at > >> the > >> moment) of sound-making equipment in the evenings. So far all the > >> sites i > >> have found have been firing anti-nuclear-power spiel at me, without > >> much > >> info on how i could actually set such a system up, what kind of panels > >> would > >> be needed etc.. > >> I live in southern england, not the sunniest of places, but i was > >> thinking > >> that maybe the battery could power up during most of the day, so that > >> i > >> might use the power entirely from the battery. > >> > >> I was wondering if any microsounders have personal experience of > >> setting > >> up > >> such systems (on a > >> budget) or any pointers for how I could proceed, (do they need to be > >> licenced, or checked by > >> any safety authority) . Any information or ideas would be greatly > >> appreciated. > >> > >> thanks . > >> Bobby Whelan > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > >> McAfee® > >> Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 5 19:12:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34653-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52823 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:12:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 52811 invoked from network); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:12:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:12:31 +0100 From: s v <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] solar power In-reply-to: <xxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx perhaps http://www.icpsolar.com/index2.php3 ?? best s El 05/03/2005, a las 16:19, Tyler Adams escribió: > there is a 'solar backpack' on the market now but it doesn't generate > enough power for a computer, 4 watts: > > http://www.vivavi.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=250 > > another company is putting out a similar solar backpack soon that has > more > solar cells and larger storage batteries. > > http://www.rewarestore.com/ > > -tyler > > >> >> hello, I have been thinking of whether it would be possible to >> set >> up >> solar panels to power >> a battery from which i could run a small amount (computer, monitors, >> soundcard and maybe one other thing, all on their own power supplies >> at >> the >> moment) of sound-making equipment in the evenings. So far all the >> sites i >> have found have been firing anti-nuclear-power spiel at me, without >> much >> info on how i could actually set such a system up, what kind of panels >> would >> be needed etc.. >> I live in southern england, not the sunniest of places, but i was >> thinking >> that maybe the battery could power up during most of the day, so that >> i >> might use the power entirely from the battery. >> >> I was wondering if any microsounders have personal experience of >> setting >> up >> such systems (on a >> budget) or any pointers for how I could proceed, (do they need to be >> licenced, or checked by >> any safety authority) . Any information or ideas would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> thanks . >> Bobby Whelan >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from >> McAfee® >> Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 5 15:29:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34652-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93325 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:28:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 93315 invoked from network); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:28:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: Tyler Adams <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] solar power In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx there is a 'solar backpack' on the market now but it doesn't generate enough power for a computer, 4 watts: http://www.vivavi.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=250 another company is putting out a similar solar backpack soon that has more solar cells and larger storage batteries. http://www.rewarestore.com/ -tyler > > hello, I have been thinking of whether it would be possible to set > up > solar panels to power > a battery from which i could run a small amount (computer, monitors, > soundcard and maybe one other thing, all on their own power supplies at > the > moment) of sound-making equipment in the evenings. So far all the sites i > have found have been firing anti-nuclear-power spiel at me, without much > info on how i could actually set such a system up, what kind of panels > would > be needed etc.. > I live in southern england, not the sunniest of places, but i was thinking > that maybe the battery could power up during most of the day, so that i > might use the power entirely from the battery. > > I was wondering if any microsounders have personal experience of setting > up > such systems (on a > budget) or any pointers for how I could proceed, (do they need to be > licenced, or checked by > any safety authority) . Any information or ideas would be greatly > appreciated. > > thanks . > Bobby Whelan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? 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Sat Mar 5 14:05:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34651-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72150 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:05:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 72140 invoked from network); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:05:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:03:58 -0500 From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] webhosting - ipower? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000f01c5218c$2e075e20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello, mikrozounders well, looks like my friendly local neighborhood freebie webhostel serverguy has dropped off the interweb for about the 9th time this year... looks like it is time for me to bite the bullet and pay for some space... i have looked at the info at http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/WebHosts but it is kinda thin on the paid providers... in previous research ipower.com was looking about the best, i believe there are some on here that recommended them... http://ipowerweb.com/products/webhosting/index.html comments, feedback, other referrals would be welcome, thanx ~will s. the once & future http://white-rose.net but various nasty mp3z are still available at http://www.existentialista.com/~uforika/ [marina rosenfeld is amazing] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 5 12:22:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34650-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49069 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:22:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 49058 invoked from network); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:22:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:22:44 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] solar power X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2005 12:22:44.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[08D1A4C0:01C5217E] hello, I have been thinking of whether it would be possible to set up solar panels to power a battery from which i could run a small amount (computer, monitors, soundcard and maybe one other thing, all on their own power supplies at the moment) of sound-making equipment in the evenings. So far all the sites i have found have been firing anti-nuclear-power spiel at me, without much info on how i could actually set such a system up, what kind of panels would be needed etc.. I live in southern england, not the sunniest of places, but i was thinking that maybe the battery could power up during most of the day, so that i might use the power entirely from the battery. I was wondering if any microsounders have personal experience of setting up such systems (on a budget) or any pointers for how I could proceed, (do they need to be licenced, or checked by any safety authority) . Any information or ideas would be greatly appreciated. thanks . Bobby Whelan _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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Sat Mar 5 03:36:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34649-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86518 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 03:36:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 86508 invoked from network); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 03:36:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:30:40 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Iceland 05/29-06/03? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200709be4ed851386b@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <p06200715be4dca07c6ec@[192.168.0.3]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx At 7:02 PM -0500 3/4/05, andrew jones wrote: >i'd check kitchen motors website. Great resource. Thanks! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Mar 5 00:02:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34648-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15682 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:02:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 15671 invoked from network); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:02:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:02:47 -0500 From: andrew jones <xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Iceland 05/29-06/03? In-reply-to: <p06200715be4dca07c6ec@[192.168.0.3]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,137,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="853601984:sNHT13055860" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <p06200715be4dca07c6ec@[192.168.0.3]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'd check kitchen motors website. peace, a On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:22 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > I'll be in Iceland from May 29 through June 3 with free time while my > partner attends the International Viola Society Congress in Reykjavik. > Is there any electroacoustic music or other such goings on at that > time? > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Jones 912 Euclid Ave. Birmingham, AL, 35213 U.S.A. cell: 407-927-7607 || skype: aljones15 blog: dignifieddevil.blogspot.com ---- aim: liminal18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 22:01:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34647-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50271 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:01:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 50261 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:00:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:03:11 -0500 From: Mike Hansen <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CKLN FM's Whynot Jazz playlist for Febuary 16 , 2005 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Dear Artist and Label > > Welcome to the radio program Whynot Jazz on Toronto's CKLN FM 88.1. > Heard Every Wednesday Morning from 7am-11am est, 1pm thru most of > Europe and noon in the UK. Available around the world at: > > www.ckln.fm > > Here is the playlist from the last Whynot Jazz Program. Please note > that radio program, hosted by Mike Hansen, takes an outside > examination of new improvised and jazz musics. Whynotjazz is one of > the very few voices for progessive new music heard in Toronto or > around the world. > > Why Not? > 2005/02/16 > > > Artist > Song Title > Album Title > Label > > > > William Parker Little Huey Orchestra > Huey Sees Light Through A Leaf > Sunrise in the Tone World > Aum Fidelity > > > > Anthony Braxton > Improvisation 3 > Triotone > Leo Records > > > > Michel Cote/Martin Tetrault > 5 > Bruire > Ambieance Magnetique > * > > > Petre Kowald Global Village Trio > Movement 1-3 > Global Village > Free Elephant > > > > Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tentet > Ellington > Short Visit to Nowhere > Okka Disc > > > > Janek Schaefer > Lithosheric Shifts > Floating Foundations > Sub Rosa > > > > Phillip Jeck > 20-02-00 > Live at ICC, Toyko > Touch > > > > Fjernsyn Fjernsyn > Nr 7 > Fjernsyn Fjernsyn > Ninth World Music > > > > Filth Pharmacy > Lesson 1 > Sounds of Mucus > Ninth World Music > > > > Ron Samworth/Wayne Horvitz/etc > Begin Two Way > Intersection Poem > Spool > * > > > trio Sullie > Sullie 4 You > Catch > www.alexiteric.com > * > > > Charlotte Hug/Chantle Leplante > Zone of Zest > Brilliant Days > For 4 Ears > * > > > EKG (kyle Bruckmann) > 3 (05:10) > Object 2 > Locust Music > > > > Paul Newman's Open House > Meticulous > Black Lake > independent > * > > > Les Blancs Brilliants! > track 5 > at Dalhousie > independent > * > > > The Reveries > Make It Last > Blase Kisses > Rat-Drifting > * > > > Paul Dutton > For The Letter That begins Them All, H (for bp) > Oralizations > Ambience > Magnetiques > * > > > Mimeo > Track 1 cd 2 > Lifting Concrete Lightly > Serpentine Gallery > > > > Pau Torres vs Strand > Closed Schools > Strand > Guitars and Noises > Red > > > > Adian Baker > Circuitry > Cicatrice > Dreamland Recording > * > > > Annette Krebs > 5 > Guitar Solo > Fringe Recordings > > > > Manuel Mota > Deep In Your Face > Quartets > Headlights > > > > Gebhard Ullmann > Collective #9 > The Clarinet Trio > Leo Records > > > > Porkchops > Not Nervous > A Brief Demonstration > independent > * > > > Zimbabwe Nkenya's Contra Bass Quartet > untitled > High Mayhem Festival 2003 > www.highmayhem.com > > > > Nilan Perea > Gong Tree Songs > Harmless Love > independent > * > > > > Erosonic > Mystery Theatre > Mystery Theatre > Victo > * > > > > * denotes Canadian Content > > > Your support is necessary in keeping this voice for the music current. > Please feel free to forward music to the address below. Thanks again > for your support. Keep Listening > > > Thanks > Mike > > > Mike Hansen > CKLN FM 88.1 > Whynot Jazz Program > 79 Benson Ave. > Toronto,On > Canada > M6G 2H7 > xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 21:46:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34646-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41109 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:46:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 41097 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:46:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:53:29 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] USB audio out in Linux? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Kim, remember that noting in Linux is "automagic" unless you tell it to be ;-) The simplest thing would be to do an "alsaconf" as root (assuming you have the alsa-tools or alsa-utils package installed, can't remember which). There *is* an ALSA driver for the IMic, you just have to configure it. Alsaconf can write a new /etc/modules.conf/alsa (or whatever the exact file is under Debian) for the IMic *or* the built-in. If you'd like to use both, then you'll have to make a more detailed alsa configuration file. Below I've posted mine, with my cardbus HDSP first, the built-in soundcard second, a third USB-MIDI soundcard and a fourth "virtual MIDI" (loopback) soundcard. The important part is the name of the module to load (driver) under the first "options= snd-CARDNAME index=CARDINDEX" line. See www.alsa-project.org for more info on module names for your soundcards. In Gentoo, this file is /etc/modules.d/alsa. I forget what it is under Debian, but aquick visit to www.alsa-project.org will fix that problem for you! good luck, derek # Alsa 0.9.X kernel modules' configuration file. # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/media-sound/alsa-driver/files/alsa-modules.conf-rc,v 1.1 2002/12/21 06:31:52 agenkin Exp $ options snd-hdsp index=0 options snd-intel8x0 index=1 options snd-usb-midi index=2 options snd-virmidi index=3 alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore alias snd-card-0 snd-hdsp alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-3 snd-virmidi alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 alias sound-slot-2 snd-card-2 alias sound-slot-3 snd-card-3 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-1-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-2-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-2-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-2-12 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-2-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-2-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-3-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-3-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-3-12 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-3-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-3-8 snd-seq-oss alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss # Set this to the correct number of cards. options snd major=116 cards_limit=4 options usb-audio enable=1 Kim Cascone wrote: > a shout for help and guru guidance from any Linux audio gurus out there... > here is the problem: > - installed Ubuntu/Gnome/Debian on a 500MHz iBook - PPC > - have ALSA and OSS drivers installed > - sound out main audio heaphones works fine > - I then attach a iMic to the iBook and nothing...even after a reboot > (so the system can recognize the USB device) there is no audio to the iMic > - I am playing around with PD, Audacity and Sweep but after doing some > major driver twiddling none of them seem to spit usb audio out to the iMic > - there is a plethora of disparate ALSA OSS Linux audio info out there - > all of it seems to contradict or not be clear or up to date... > - could someone who has installed Linux on a PPC please illuminate me as > to how to get audio to the iMic or any USB audio device in Linux? > thanks in advance and I will write this up and post it to the TWiki if > it works > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/LinuxPPC > cheers! > KIM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 18:49:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34645-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34631 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:49:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 34611 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:49:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:53:27 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] insane video installation To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Carlos Weisz <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this is so beautiful. http://kkas.net/A4/softarchitecture.jpg g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 17:01:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34644-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73173 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:01:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 73163 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:01:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:00:52 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] USB audio out in Linux? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a shout for help and guru guidance from any Linux audio gurus out there... here is the problem: - installed Ubuntu/Gnome/Debian on a 500MHz iBook - PPC - have ALSA and OSS drivers installed - sound out main audio heaphones works fine - I then attach a iMic to the iBook and nothing...even after a reboot (so the system can recognize the USB device) there is no audio to the iMic - I am playing around with PD, Audacity and Sweep but after doing some major driver twiddling none of them seem to spit usb audio out to the iMic - there is a plethora of disparate ALSA OSS Linux audio info out there - all of it seems to contradict or not be clear or up to date... - could someone who has installed Linux on a PPC please illuminate me as to how to get audio to the iMic or any USB audio device in Linux? thanks in advance and I will write this up and post it to the TWiki if it works http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/LinuxPPC cheers! KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 16:28:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34643-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53805 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:28:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 53795 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:28:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:28:08 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] New Powerbooks Motion Sensors To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Organization: groovylab MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - liberty.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovylab.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "...we had the tilt sensor controlling Timo's music. You rock the machine backwards for the next track, and rock it forwards for the previous track. Then we realised that you rarely need "previous"--you just listen to music, and when a track comes on your don't want to hear, you jog your laptop and it bumps on to the next song. Wicked. Tasty microembodiment." http://interconnected.org/home/2005/03/04/apples_powerbook http://www.kernelthread.com/software/ams/ This is a Performance just waiting to happen. cheers, Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://groovylab.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 15:06:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34642-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10973 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:06:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 10963 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:06:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:06:21 +0000 From: ". m u r m e r ." <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] u.s. visit in july To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <02b101c520cb$ba042190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi all, i'm planning a trip back home to the states for this coming july and am hoping to play a few homecoming gigs while i'm at it - idealy in boston, new york, maybe philly and portland maine (or potentially elsewhere in ne). anybody have any brilliant offers for me? ; ) i'll be stateside from the 14th of july until the 1st of august, although much of the last week will be spent in maine... thanks for any leads! patrick / murmer ps-i can obviously supply more info on my work or sounds if useful... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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(xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx@64.164.245.167 with plain) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:31:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:22:58 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [max-msp] Iceland 05/29-06/03? Sender: xxxxx-xxx-xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xxx, xxx-xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx-xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: xxx-xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <p06200715be4dca07c6ec@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'll be in Iceland from May 29 through June 3 with free time while my partner attends the International Viola Society Congress in Reykjavik. Is there any electroacoustic music or other such goings on at that time? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 08:31:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34641-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6321 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:31:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 6311 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:31:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:22:58 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Iceland 05/29-06/03? To: xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xxx, xxx-xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx-xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200715be4dca07c6ec@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'll be in Iceland from May 29 through June 3 with free time while my partner attends the International Viola Society Congress in Reykjavik. Is there any electroacoustic music or other such goings on at that time? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 4 01:54:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34640-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95142 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:54:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 95132 invoked from network); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:54:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:54:25 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] i wonder what oval tastes like In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=crXxfuWjSKRNEmI5QKtcvOaJCcfIVXeIVZ1bsmODmmWVcugtsQVG7IGOnBrYiKeE4+N81X8gqReCLwYIaHpsPuGfb9FK728gZ+aF1LPy6zkC0nteVOvT95wjiaLANbx9XO6foYS/Vl79QL6G7NMYPUdCHilDfmjnb6qbeHHxz7s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "They tested E.S.'s ability by applying solutions tasting sour, bitter, salty or sweet to her tongue and asking her to identify the tone intervals, a difficult task that requires musical training." hahaha. i must have missed that class ;) -jake On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:24:04 -0500, graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/03/03/taste.sounds.reut/index.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Thu Mar 3 23:18:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34638-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34709 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:18:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 34698 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:18:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:18:15 -0500 From: "tobias c. van Veen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Derek Holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4D0567.1BE31%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Might as well try to patent oxygen or > something... http://homepage.mac.com/pdxpatfitz/iblog/C894479627/E436666015/ tV --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 19:56:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34637-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31953 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:56:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 31942 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:56:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:56:34 -0600 From: Jeremy Dickens <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jeremy Dickens <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NOwXHjSJt4Qebci9/fQK3AxzuCbeGfQoi8WMk6EDbT9+BXU1Dlpn5A9vmSKbqsh4/3GcKR65HXqJG2KPXrCtz9YxGDukdCLjYO4CSXxDMzxV+VYsM437u4XB4dMddKj2CNX3TabDZ88wLe1LJe40P42IHKLwXVs0Ihsgc1/qCjU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't think scene.org has a leg to stand on here - under the CC license that they've applied to those works, the following line applies: "Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder." The holder in this case is NOT scene.org, but the creator of the work. If the creator of the work wishes to re-sell or remove the content from the site, the CC-license does not protect scene.org against that happening, because scene.org doesn't own the work. Then again, it's good for them and the people who contribute there to adopt the Creative Commons licensing as a standard for the work on their site. -- Jeremy Dickens / Logickal OffnominalAudio - Discrepancy Recordings http://www.offnominal.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 19:46:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34636-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25092 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:46:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 25080 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:46:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:45:52 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 3, 2005, at 2:17 PM, David Powers wrote: > Hi Derek: > I would make several points here. First, although "an artist uses the > disk space, bandwidth and publicity resources of a free hosting site," > it is also true that the site gains something by having good work on > the > site. New content gives people a reason to continue to visit and > support the site. Exactly. If it is true that scene.org is trying to say that the artwork cannot be removed from their site and they are trying to stick a license on all of them, then that is beyond absurd. The site exists to serve the artists and the community. If I wanted to remove my tracks from scene.org and they refused to let me, I would not hesitate to sue. They are (if I have the whole story) absolutely in the wrong. Regardless of however inconsiderate you consider such artists to be, scene.org is being twice as bad. Then again, I have always avoided that place like the plague... - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 19:15:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34635-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7960 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:15:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 7942 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:15:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:17:11 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Derek: I would make several points here. First, although "an artist uses the disk space, bandwidth and publicity resources of a free hosting site," it is also true that the site gains something by having good work on the site. New content gives people a reason to continue to visit and support the site. Furthermore, this content does not have to be on the site permanently, the site could gain something by hosting a good piece of music for six months, for example. Second, is it true that the artist has placed there work in the "public domain" by letting a free site host it? I would argue that instead they are giving the free site a limited license to host distribute the artwork, not necessarily placing the artwork in the public domain. I think that a good solution would be to host the works on a limited license basis,say for one year periods, with option of renewal if that artist wishes. OR the artist can explicitly place the works in the public domain, in which case anyone can do what they wish with the work. Assuming that artists releasing on a netlabel wishes to give up all control over the artwork for all time is quite problematic in my opinion. ~David David Powers Secretary DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxx@x-x.xxx 03/03/05 11:48AM >>> Hi John, John Nowak wrote: > Scene.org has no legal right to do this unless prior agreements were > made. If the artist wants to pull their tracks, fine. Let them. > Ruccas.org let's artists do this, and it hasn't caused any issues. Not > sure why scene.org would be any different. I guess my basic point of view on this doesn't necessarily revolve around the strict legal issues, but more the ethic of it. Consider this: an artist uses the disk space, bandwidth and publicity resources of a free hosting site like Scene.org to promote his or her own work by sending prospective listeners there or linking to it through their website. This places the artwork in the public domain UNTIL such time as the artist begins to capitalize on the service which this host has provided, and the publicity gained from having the work in the public domain. Once a buck can be turned, the artist removes the work from the public domain and possibly even causes trouble for the folks who provided him or her a much-needed service in their rise to "professionalism". No thanks and a big F-You to those who helped out on the way. You don't see many people asking for their tracks to be removed from CD compilations, do you? So, my basic question which follows this analysis would be: is it "right" for an artist to remove something they have placed in the public domain, considering that the resources used to keep it in the public domain once represented a valuable publicity asset to that artist? And on a deeper level, can something conceivably be *removed* from the public domain, once it is there? Might as well try to patent oxygen or something... Essays on my desk in one hour ;-) derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Thu Mar 3 19:06:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34633-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 670 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:06:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 658 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:06:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:05:53 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:48 PM, derek holzer wrote: >> Scene.org has no legal right to do this unless prior agreements were >> made. If the artist wants to pull their tracks, fine. Let them. >> Ruccas.org let's artists do this, and it hasn't caused any issues. >> Not sure why scene.org would be any different. > > So, my basic question which follows this analysis would be: is it > "right" for an artist to remove something they have placed in the > public domain, considering that the resources used to keep it in the > public domain once represented a valuable publicity asset to that > artist? And on a deeper level, can something conceivably be *removed* > from the public domain, once it is there? Might as well try to patent > oxygen or something... The music on these sites were never in the "public domain", which has a very specific meaning. They were copyrighted works that were available for free. The artist still has the rights to the work, and can pull them if he/she chooses. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 18:09:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34632-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68749 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:09:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 68732 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:09:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:26:51 -0500 From: john saylor <xx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi ( 05.03.03 18:48 +0100 ) derek holzer: > So, my basic question which follows this analysis would be: is it > "right" for an artist to remove something they have placed in the public > domain, considering that the resources used to keep it in the public > domain once represented a valuable publicity asset to that artist? i think you're playing fast and loose with 'public domain'. ianal, but it is a specific kind of copyright aggreement. i think if a work is released in the public domain, there is no turning back. i released some works of mine into the public domain, and had to do a confirmation step with creativecommons.org, as opposed to other licenses where i could just choose the license and mark the content. so, my understanding is that 'public domain' means that it belongs to everyone [and no one]. however, works can be released for free download under other kinds of licenses [attibution-share-alike, and so on] that allow the artist to keep some variety of legal ownership of the work. on a karmic level it's pretty sleazy- kinda like taking back a gift you gave to someone so you can charge them for it [actually, so other people will pay for it instead of getting it for free]. revenue uber alles! -- \js &;< *-{@= .[; http://or8.net/~johns iraq body count: 16,123 [min] 18,395 [max] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 17:41:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34631-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52342 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:41:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 52332 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:41:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:48:23 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi John, John Nowak wrote: > Scene.org has no legal right to do this unless prior agreements were > made. If the artist wants to pull their tracks, fine. Let them. > Ruccas.org let's artists do this, and it hasn't caused any issues. Not > sure why scene.org would be any different. I guess my basic point of view on this doesn't necessarily revolve around the strict legal issues, but more the ethic of it. Consider this: an artist uses the disk space, bandwidth and publicity resources of a free hosting site like Scene.org to promote his or her own work by sending prospective listeners there or linking to it through their website. This places the artwork in the public domain UNTIL such time as the artist begins to capitalize on the service which this host has provided, and the publicity gained from having the work in the public domain. Once a buck can be turned, the artist removes the work from the public domain and possibly even causes trouble for the folks who provided him or her a much-needed service in their rise to "professionalism". No thanks and a big F-You to those who helped out on the way. You don't see many people asking for their tracks to be removed from CD compilations, do you? So, my basic question which follows this analysis would be: is it "right" for an artist to remove something they have placed in the public domain, considering that the resources used to keep it in the public domain once represented a valuable publicity asset to that artist? And on a deeper level, can something conceivably be *removed* from the public domain, once it is there? Might as well try to patent oxygen or something... Essays on my desk in one hour ;-) derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 17:08:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34630-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28791 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:08:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 28779 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:08:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:15:31 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Howdy Kevin, Kevin Ponto wrote: > If Scene.org refuses to remove a work, then I can see "demands" being > made, but for the time being, I think the use of that word is simply for > inflammatory reasons. To be fair, I thought it better to reprint the original notice from Scene.org. "Inflammatory" is also such an inflammatory word ;-) From: http://www.scene.org/discussnews.php?item=275 > License change for Scene.org 03 Mar 2005 > Scene.org staff has been receiving a lot of requests to remove files from artists whose previously-uploaded works have been sold to a commercial entity. Some of these requests have been polite, few have been not so polite and then there have been down-right threatening demands with associated legal language. > > As you know, Scene.org exists as an archival and distribution service for the good of the community, run & supported by the members of the community. I'm sure you understand that we do not have the resources to continue to handle these requests nor defend ourselves should someone decide to initiate legal proceedings. Thus, we are investigating options to protect ourselves without taking away any rights from the creators of the works. > > Chief among these options is requiring a CC (CreativeCommons) license for all works in the archive -- both past & present. > > We realize this is a major change, and thus would very much welcome any comments and suggestions from our users through the discussions area. Should you be or know someone who is legally-savvy in these matters, we would very much welcome an opportunity to consult with you directly (contact: xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx). Please do visit the original site, as the letter from Jesse Rothenberg and the Scene.org staff to the Creative Commons organization asking for advice is also quite interesting: <snip> > Historically, works created within the demoscene have been released more-or-less into the public domain by their authors. That is to say: > Sometimes the authors will append a (c) notice to their works (whether or not that is all that is required in the country of creation is a different > story) but in almost all cases have either signed a document or provided a packaged text in which they explicitly allowed non-profit distribution of the works. > > Unfortunately, this trend is changing. As many demoscene participants are active in the design, videogame, animation, film, and music industries -- or will head in those directions -- it should come as no surprise that the demoscene has fostered the birth of new distribution mentalities, primarily the netlabel, as showcased by Simon Carless' (now of > archive.org) Mono411 and Monotonic labels, possibly the first explicit netlabels created. > > So it turns out that a number of musicians are now releasing music directly or via netlabels hosted on Scene.org with the aim that free distribution will lead to increased awareness and possibly a commercial deal. So far, so good. The problem is when a commercial deal comes through for a work previously released by the author through Scene.org services. > As it stands we are receiving an increasing number of threatening emails demanding removal of a work. </snip> best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 16:47:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34629-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16328 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:47:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 16317 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:47:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:47:20 -0800 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have to agree. Scene.org simply cannot arbitrarily assign creative commons licensing to works it does not own the rights to without prior arrangement. they can enact this clause for future submission, as in "only cc licensed works can be hosted", but this cannot be done retroactively. The artists do have every right to request that their works be removed, even though it may present a hassle for the webmaster, and any inconsideration on behalf of the artist aside. The use of the word "demand" suggests that the artists are in a tizzy about their commercial works being available for free and I doubt that anyone is upset about it right out of the gate, considering they submitted the works themselves. If Scene.org refuses to remove a work, then I can see "demands" being made, but for the time being, I think the use of that word is simply for inflammatory reasons. k On Mar 3, 2005, at 8:25 AM, John Nowak wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2005, at 10:46 AM, derek holzer wrote: > >> Scene.org has responded tho this catch-22 by applying a specific >> Creative Commons license to all work in their archive past, present >> and future: >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/ > > Scene.org has no legal right to do this unless prior agreements were > made. If the artist wants to pull their tracks, fine. Let them. > Ruccas.org let's artists do this, and it hasn't caused any issues. Not > sure why scene.org would be any different. > > - John > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 16:25:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34628-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3675 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:25:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 3665 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:25:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:25:14 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mar 3, 2005, at 10:46 AM, derek holzer wrote: > Scene.org has responded tho this catch-22 by applying a specific > Creative Commons license to all work in their archive past, present > and future: > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/ Scene.org has no legal right to do this unless prior agreements were made. If the artist wants to pull their tracks, fine. Let them. Ruccas.org let's artists do this, and it hasn't caused any issues. Not sure why scene.org would be any different. - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 16:23:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34627-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2274 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:23:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 2263 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:23:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:23:22 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Merzbow in Germany In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x-xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x-xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx When is my love coming to New York? :-( - John On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, michael hohendorf wrote: > exclusive last minute show in Germany! > > Knieschussclub presents: > > > MERZBOW > > > Monday, March 14, 9:00pm > Gueterbahnhof - Tor 47, BREMEN > > questions? knieschussclub (at) twistedknister.de > > --------------------------------------- > other upcoming shows: > Knieschussclub in Bremen: > > 10.03. NMPERIGM (boston) @ ZAKK > 14.03. MERZBOW (tokyo) @ Güterbahnhof, Tor 47 > 17.03. THE FLYING LUTTENBACHERS (oakland), URI GELLER (hamburg) @ JH > FRIESENSTRASSE > 30.03. CAROLINER RAINBOW (san francisco), KURT (stuttgart) @ JH > FRIESENSTRASSE > 20.04. ANNE LAPLANTINE, FS BLUMM, GUIDO MÖBIUS (berlin) @ ZAKK > 26.04. NAUTICAL ALMANAC (baltimore) @ ZAKK > late May NOID (wien) @ ZAKK > June LES GEORGES LENINGRAD (kanada) @ TOWER BAR tbc > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 15:39:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34626-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78920 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:39:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 78910 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:39:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:46:23 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] interesting legal/licensing developments at scene.org [nexsound.org mp3 host] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all, I just got an interesting notice from Andrey Kiritchenko about Scene.org, the host of the mp3 files for Nexsound.org. Seems that some people who have uploaded their work to Scene.org in the past for free have turned around and sold the same tracks, and have come back to Scene.org demanding that their material be removed. [I'm pretty certain this has *nothing* to do with any Nexsound artists, BTW!] While I find this an entirely slimey way to do business, I do appreciate an artists' right to control the distribution of their work online. All in all it's a tricky issue to figure out: should the artist be forced to accept that their work is now in the "public domain", or should they have the right to rescend that and not be allowed to sell their work under terms which remove it from the this domain? Scene.org has responded tho this catch-22 by applying a specific Creative Commons license to all work in their archive past, present and future: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/ I find this whole development very interesting, as it says a lot about "the scene's" current commercial aspirations and the "use value" of posting your work in the public domain. You can get the whole story here: http://www.scene.org/discussnews.php?item=275 as well as on their front news page: http://www.scene.org/news.php best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 14:20:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34625-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45226 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:19:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 45210 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:19:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:16:15 +0100 From: michael hohendorf <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Merzbow in Germany To: "'xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx'" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x-xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx login:566c5579726788d5ea2b36f30760e8af X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx exclusive last minute show in Germany! Knieschussclub presents: MERZBOW Monday, March 14, 9:00pm Gueterbahnhof - Tor 47, BREMEN questions? knieschussclub (at) twistedknister.de --------------------------------------- other upcoming shows: Knieschussclub in Bremen: 10.03. NMPERIGM (boston) @ ZAKK 14.03. MERZBOW (tokyo) @ Güterbahnhof, Tor 47 17.03. THE FLYING LUTTENBACHERS (oakland), URI GELLER (hamburg) @ JH FRIESENSTRASSE 30.03. CAROLINER RAINBOW (san francisco), KURT (stuttgart) @ JH FRIESENSTRASSE 20.04. ANNE LAPLANTINE, FS BLUMM, GUIDO MÖBIUS (berlin) @ ZAKK 26.04. NAUTICAL ALMANAC (baltimore) @ ZAKK late May NOID (wien) @ ZAKK June LES GEORGES LENINGRAD (kanada) @ TOWER BAR tbc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 12:15:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34624-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4705 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:15:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 4563 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:15:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:05:10 +0100 From: douglas benford <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] London: Sprawl next week w. Rashamon/Bohman Bros/Tuner/e/n X-Sender: xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06110463be4b749ed090@[81.158.236.26]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KmJ4FwZUQI2v6Upb7VvBOA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_KmJ4FwZUQI2v6Upb7VvBOA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ************************************* S P R A W L March 2005 bulletin ************************************* A specal thanks to everyone who came to Interplay 3, sold out on both nights; great music & a fantastic atmosphere! ************************************* Sprawl at the Charterhouse Bar DATE: weds 9th March line up: BOHMAN BROTHERS (uk) - live http://www.xs4all.nl/~lukas/pagina/bohmans.htm TUNER (Fr) - live http://phonochrome.free.fr RASHAMON (highpoint lowlife/UK) - live http://www.highpointlowlife.com e/n [no.signal] - dj http://www.no-signal.net biogs at http://www.sprawl.org.uk/EventFrame.htm resident dsj/curators si-cut.db (bip hop/fallt/background/tennis/highpointlowlife) Iris Garrelfs (BitTonic/germany/bip hop) VENUE: Upstairs at the Charterhouse bar 38 Charterhouse Street, London EC1 tube: Farringdon tel: 020 7608 0858 xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx http://www.charterhousebar.co.uk ADMISSION 4 pounds , concs 3 pounds 7.30pm - 11.30pm ************************************* On the radio: next Sprawl Small Pieces show on Resonance FM 104.4, 25th March see below ************************************* Future Sprawls at the Charterhouse Bar * Sprawl April 13th Antonelli Electr. (germany/italic/rhythm_maker/mille plateaux) We're Breaking Up (US/twothousandand) djs: Marc Knauer (germany/Italic), Tango Mango (uk/kosmische) * Sprawl May 11th Dave Miller (Australia/BackGround), Granny'Ark (Canada/Zora Lanson) Function (Australia) [] some related artist activities ************************************* si-cut.db, Iris Garrelfs, tennis - live sets etc ************************************* MAR 3 SI-CUT.DB - live + visual presentation Cube Cinema, Bristol, UK http://www.cubecinema.com MAR 4 Field 61 radio show w. IRIS GARRELFS & Kaffe Matthews 21.30-22.30 GMT on http://www.resonancefm.com & Resonance 104.4 FM in London MAR 16 SI-CUT.DB - live Cambridge, UK http://www.upgradeandafterlife.co.uk/ MAR 18 TENNIS net broadcast live set in London for http://www.remote.org.nz MAR 25 Sprawl's Small Pieces radio show IRIS GARRELFS plays exclusive Interplay 3 recordings from the 2 sold out nights at the Spitz midnight-1am GMT on http://www.resonancefm.com & Resonance 104.4 FM in London MAR 29 SI-CUT.DB - live Passive Aggressive night, Volks Tavern. Brighton, UK http://www.passive-aggressive.co.uk MAY 3-8 IRIS GARRELFS 'Dumplinks' installation Circle of Sound The Foundry, London ************************************* si-cut.db / iris garrelfs - releases ************************************* JUST ANNOUNCED IRIS GARRELFS debut album, 'Specified Encounters' now on Bip Hop [Bleep 29], inc quicktime movie http://www.bip-hop.com SI-CUT.DB new album on Bip-Hop, 'From Tears: Beach Archive'. [Bleep 28]. mastered by Twerk, inc. quicktime movie by pixelwrangler. http://www.bip-hop.com both distributed in the UK thru' Cargo. CURRENT RT-32 Acoustic.Space.Lab: Radio Astronomy DVD/CD with tracks by IRIS GARRELFS, TENNIS, SI-CUT.DB, scanner, kaffe matthews, rosy parlane + more http://acoustic.space.re-lab.net http://rixc.lv SI-CUT.DB 'Offices at Night Vol 1 - Originals' Part 1 of a 3 CD/download set to be continued... http://www.fallt.com/offices/index.html si-cut.db back catalogue & rarities can be paid via paypal write to <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx> for full list. ************************************* TENNIS (si-cut.db + benge) ************************************* RT-32 Acoustic.Space.Lab : Radio Astronomy CD/DVD see above. 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Thu Mar 3 08:24:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34622-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51021 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:24:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 51011 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:24:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:29:04 +0100 From: "xxxx@xxx" <xxxx_xx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] krill.minima & oms-nma live To: Microsound-Liste <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx_xx@xxx.xxx Message-id: <OKEKJJALPLHCGDKBOCMJGECOFJAA.xxxx_xx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #1462046 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aufabwegen presents: geraeuschwelten XV: 05.03.2005, 20.00h krill.minima [sternschaltung] -- dense ambiences with a dubby feel and some strange noises --- & oms - nma [belgium] -- chaotic analogue rhythms and freestyle noise -- live cuba achtermannstr. 12 48143 muenster http://www.geraeuschwelten.de http://www.cuba-cultur.de http://www.aufabwegen.com other recommendations: kulturbunker muelheim, cologne: 04.03.: aesthetics labelshowcase with: daniel givens, the eternals, dj kenneth james 20.03.: ilse lau (fidel bastro) & special guests 22.03.: mr natural (gender-less kibbuzz/usa) - plant musick 23.03.: foton/knobsounds night with: bent object, eavesdropper, dj lowdjo 29.03.: herman duene (paris) & special guests 01.04.: phthalocyanine (planet mu) & gaumen (esel records) - drill&bass/lego-beats http://www.kulturbunker-muelheim.de ----------------- a u f a b w e g en magazine - label - mailorder p.o.box 100152 50441 cologne germany fax.: 0221-2720056 http://www.aufabwegen.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 3 09:16:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34623-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62631 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:16:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 62621 invoked from network); Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:16:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:07:19 +0000 From: Zev Robinson <xx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Resonance FM benefit video screening at the Horse Hospital To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <009501c51fc8$05bd75f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Urban Tales, Urban Sounds, the second annual Resonance FM benefit screening of experimental videos at The Horse Hospital will take place on March 5, 2005, curated by Zev Robinson www.artafterscience.com in collaboration with Laure Prouvost and tank.tv. 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Mitsunory Asakura - www.bobfoundation.com Anouk de Clercq - www.portapak.be John Hartley - www.ambivalency.net James Hollands - www.thehorsehospital.com Sara Kolster - www.umatic.nl Wolfe Lenkiewicz - www.porteliotlitfest.com ,www.t12artspace.com/thepark2.htm, www.t12artspace.com/hangman1.htm, www.t12artspace.com/hangman2.htm Nina Liao - www.fakedesign.co.uk Matthew Noel-Tod - xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Laure Prouvost - www.tank.tv Zev Robinson - www.artafterscience.com, www.zrdesign.co.uk Manuel Saiz - www.saiz.co.uk, www.thevideoartfoundation.com Erica Scourti xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Solu - www.solu.org Jenny Springer - x@xxxxxxxx.xxx The Horse Hospital is a minute from the Russell Square Tube, on the Colonnade, contact details here - http://www.thehorsehospital.com/archives/000040.html Appologies for x-posting Zev Robinson www.artafterscience.com www.zrdesign.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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We hope it will not happen again. Best Regards, ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) ·Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM Miércoles/Wednesday 15h -www.circulobellasartes.com ·Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h -www.uam.es/ra ·Listen live real time -www.ondasonoraradio.com _________________________________ CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 02/03/05 01. AOKI TAKAMASA Track: M Album: Simply Funk Label: Progressive Form Abrimos el programa de esta semana con el japonés Aoki Takamasa, que recientemente editaba en el sello Progressive Form "Simply Funk", el que es su quinto álbum desde que debutara en 2001, a la edad de 25 años, con las raíces profundamente enterradas entre la electrónica de club y la música contemporánea We open this week's show with the Japanese Aoki Takamasa, who recently released in the Progressive Form label "Simply Funk", his fifth album since his debut in 2001, at the age of 25, with the roots deeply buried between club electronics and contemporary music 02. ASMUS TIETCHENS Track: 3 Album: Delta Merge Label: Ritornell Asmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner visitan Madrid esta semana, con una actuación en solitario de cada uno, programada para este jueves 3 de marzo en La Casa Encendida. Asmus Tietchens lleva trabajando desde los años 60, centrado en la manipulación de sonidos encontrados, de forma sugerida por el propio material. Delta Menge es uno de sus últimos trabajos, editado por el sello Ritornell en 2003 Asmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner are visiting Madrid this week, with a solo performance by each one, programmed for this Thursday, March 3rd at La Casa Encendida. Asmus Tietchens has been working from the sixties, centered in the manipulation of found sounds, in a way suggested by the own material. Delta Menge is one of his last works, released in the Ritornell label in 2003 03. THOMAS KÖNER Track: Nuuk (Day) Album: Nuuk Label: Mille Plateaux Media Thomas Köner debutaba en 1990 con el álbum Nunatak Gongamur, donde ya se podían observar los rasgos que definen su peculiar estilo minimalista electrónico, explorando las técnicas reductivas que desarrollaría magistralmente en sus siguientes trabajos. Un ejemplo es Nuuk, el disco que sonará mezclado con Tietchens, en el que parte de una instalación multimedia Thomas Köner debuted in 1990 with the Nunatak Gongamur album, where the outlines that define his peculiar style could already be observed: minimalist electronics, exploring reductive techniques that would develop masterfully along his following works. An example is Nuuk, the record that will sound in Onda Sonora mixed with Tietchens, in which he departs from a multimedia installation 04. KONTAKT DER JÜNGLINGE Track: N Album: N Label: Die Stadt Asmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner actúan este jueves en el auditorio de La Casa Encendida, escenario que volverán a pisar el viernes 4 de marzo con el proyecto conjunto de ambos en el sello Die Stadt, Kontakt Der Junglinge, una colaboración que se mueve a través de terrenos densos repletos de tensión electrónica ambiental. Este es el cuarto disco de colaboración entre ambos como Kontakt Der Junglinge, N, un disco grabado en directo de 2002 en la ciudad alemana de Bremen Asmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner perform this Thursday at the auditory of La Casa Encendida, stage that they will step again on Friday, March 4th with the combined project of both in the Die Stadt label, Kontakt Der Junglinge, a collaboration that moves through dense lands replete of environmental electronic tension. This is the fourth collaboration record between both as Kontakt Der Junglinge, N, a live recording from the German city of Bremen in 2002 05. CHRISTOF MIGONE Track: Sevensixone-Foureightfourone Album: Sound Voice Perform Label: Errant Bodies Press Breve corte a cargo de Christof Migone, artista sonoro canadiense que lleva investigando desde mediados de los 80 las relaciones existentes entre el sonido y diferentes medios relacionados con el vídeo, el cuerpo y la voz. Sound Voice Perform, el álbum que documenta los trabajos de Christof Migone en los últimos 15 años, se ha publicado en Errant Bodies, el recientemente inagurado sello de otro artista multidisciplinar, Brandon Labelle Brief track by Christof Migone, a Canadian sound artist investigating from middle 80s the existent relationships between sound and some different means related to video, body and voice. Sound Voice Perform, the album documenting Christof Migone's works in the last 15 years, has been released by Errant Bodies, recently founded label by another multidisciplinar artist, Brandon Labelle 06. BJ NILSEN Track: Let me know when its over Album: Fade To White Label: Touch Nuevo álbum de BJNilsen, artista sueco al que hasta ahora conocíamos por su sobrenombre Hazard, que ha editado tres discos para Ash International y dos aclamados trabajos en el sello británico Touch, todos centrados en la percepción humana del espacio y el tiempo a través del sonido, y construídos a partir de grabaciones de campo realizadas durante sus múltiples viajes, en este caso, por Europa central, esta vez no sólo con sonidos de la naturaleza sino utilizando también instrumentos acústicos y eléctricos grabados en espacios abiertos New album by BJNilsen, a Swedish artist known by his Hazard moniker that has released three works in Ash International and two acclaimed records more in the British label Touch, centered in the human perception of space and time through sound. Built starting from field recordings taken during his multiple trips, in this case, throughout central Europe, this time not only using sounds from nature but also acoustic and electric instruments recorded in open spaces 07. DACM Track: Bassamico Album: Stéréotypie Label: Asphodel Peter Rehberg en un contexto diferente al de su proyecto Pita. Esto es una propuesta llamada DACM, una experiencia teatral y coreográfica de vanguardia cuyos sonidos se desarrollan en un contexto ambiental, en ocasiones incluso ruidista, a pesar de contar con la colaboración a la voz de Tujiko Noriko en algunos de los cortes Peter Rehberg in a different context to his project Pita. This is a proposal named DACM, an avant-garde theatrical and choreographic experience whose sounds are developed in an environmental context, in occasions even noisy, even with the collaboration of Tujiko Noriko's voice in some of the tracks 08. POLMO POLPO Track: Kiss Me Again Album: Kiss Me Again Label: Intr_version Si la semana pasada abríamos Onda Sonora con uno de los mini cds publicados por Alva Noto en su sello Raster, esta vez cerramos el programa con otro trabajo publicado en idéntico formato aunque en este caso a través de Intr_version, el sello del canadiense Mitchell Akiyama, que presenta una nueva serie limitada de lanzamientos en mini cd, uno de los cuales es este "Kiss Me Again" de Sandro Perri, más conocido como Polmo Polpo, un artista que habitualmente graba desde Toronto para el sello Constellation y que propone una especie de homenaje de 21 minutos de duración al icono del downtown neoyorkino Arthur Russell, te dejamos con la obra completa If last week we opened Onda Sonora with one of the mini cds released by Alva Noto in his Raster imprint, this time we close the program with another work published in identical format, although in this case is Mitchell Akiyama's Intr_version label that presents a new limited series of releases in mini cd, one of which is this Kiss Me Again by Sandro Perri, better known as Polmo Polpo, an artist that records from Toronto for the Constellation label. He is proposing a kind of an homage (of 21-minutes of duration) to the Downtown icon Arthur Russell. We leave with the complete work ______ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas gracias Note: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could be interesting for you. If that’s not your case, then reply us with this subject for the message: “delete me”, and you will be inmediately out from the mailing. Thank you ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 22:56:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34620-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49816 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:56:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 49754 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:56:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:58:52 +1100 From: Brendan Palmer <xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Melbourne: Environ presents Deepchild, EZ Flux, Sonic Manipulator, Black TIger plus more this Sunday In-reply-to: <BE4C8FFA.103C0%xx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4C905C.103F3%xx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx environ first sundays at LOOP: 23 meyers place melbourne CBD SUNDAY MARCH 6 : 7PM TIL LATE : $5 Environ 'first sundays' at Loop gathers together diverse artists and musicians from many tangents of the Melbourne arts and music scenes, and provides a collaborative platform for them to interact (often for the first time) in a fairly informal, yet semi-structured way... Incorporating the modern tools of the DJ, the VJ and the laptop composer, alongside more traditional Instruments like the sax, the drum kit or even the glockenspiel, music & AV performance games set the foundations for some fairly amazing outcomes... March 6th is the 'Installationist' version of environ, embracing the actual title of the event, and creating a space for pure sensory absorbtion. Spacial DJs have been invited to create sound collages on two DJ setups and will interact and overlap regularly. The visual element takes the form of abstract projection devices and sculptures constructed around the venue. However not to get too carries away in timelessness and AV funiture, random exotic performers have been invited to infultrate the controlled environment. Famous 'Spaceman' Swanston street busker 'The Sonic Manipulator' and Glam Rock - Wrestle maniac 'The Black Tiger' will be let loose to create uncontrollable elements in true impro stylee... Sydney's electronic dub prodigy 'Deepchild' features alongside Phycadelic-soundtrack rocker 'EZ Flux', Bulgarian mix-master 'Viktor Markov', former medical photographer 'Lindsay Cox', Swinburne Uni Lecturer 'Paul Rodgers', former Black Sorrows drummer 'Ian Kitney' & Clan Analogue founder 'bP' plus a few late editions on both the audio and visual level... Goto http://www.environline.net for artist bios, free audio from previous events and more infoŠ environ : Sunday March 6th from 7pm till late Loop : 23 meyers place Melbourne CBD australia : $5 entry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 22:11:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34619-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19897 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:11:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 19887 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:11:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:11:18 +0100 (CET) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 02/03/05 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_93kF8qkouqjyk0UrFxYIWg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_93kF8qkouqjyk0UrFxYIWg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES)Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM - Miércoles/Wednesday 15h -www.circulobellasartes.comRadio Autónoma 88.8 FM - Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h - www.uam.es/raEscucha en directo a cualquier hora / Listen live real time -www.ondasonoraradio.com_________________________________CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 02/03/0501. AOKI TAKAMASATrack: MAlbum: Simply FunkLabel: Progressive FormAbrimos el programa de esta semana con el japonés Aoki Takamasa, querecientemente editaba en el sello Progressive Form "Simply Funk", el que es suquinto álbum desde que debutara en 2001, a la edad de 25 años, con las raícesprofundamente enterradas entre la electrónica de club y la música contemporáneaWe open this week's show with the Japanese Aoki Takamasa, who recently releasedin the Progressive Form label "Simply Funk", his fifth album since his debut in2001, at the age of 25, with the roots deeply buried between club electronicsand contemporary music02. ASMUS TIETCHENSTrack: 3Album: Delta MergeLabel: RitornellAsmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner visitan Madrid esta semana, con una actuación ensolitario de cada uno, programada para este jueves 3 de marzo en La CasaEncendida. Asmus Tietchens lleva trabajando desde los años 60, centrado en lamanipulación de sonidos encontrados, de forma sugerida por el propio material.Delta Menge es uno de sus últimos trabajos, editado por el sello Ritornell en2003Asmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner are visiting Madrid this week, with a soloperformance by each one, programmed for this Thursday, March 3rd at La CasaEncendida. Asmus Tietchens has been working from the sixties, centered in themanipulation of found sounds, in a way suggested by the own material. DeltaMenge is one of his last works, released in the Ritornell label in 200303. THOMAS KONERTrack: Nuuk (Day)Album: NuukLabel: Mille Plateaux MediaThomas Köner debutaba en 1990 con el álbum Nunatak Gongamur, donde ya se podíanobservar los rasgos que definen su peculiar estilo minimalista electrónico,explorando las técnicas reductivas que desarrollaría magistralmente en sussiguientes trabajos. Un ejemplo es Nuuk, el disco que sonará mezclado conTietchens, en el que parte de una instalación multimediaThomas Köner debuted in 1990 with the Nunatak Gongamur album, where the outlinesthat define his peculiar style could already be observed: minimalistelectronics, exploring reductive techniques that would develop masterfully alonghis following works. An example is Nuuk, the record that will sound in OndaSonora mixed with Tietchens, in which he departs from a multimedia installation04. KONTAKT DER JÜNGLINGETrack: NAlbum: NLabel: Die StadtAsmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner actúan este jueves en el auditorio de La CasaEncendida, escenario que volverán a pisar el viernes 4 de marzo con el proyectoconjunto de ambos en el sello Die Stadt, Kontakt Der Junglinge, una colaboraciónque se mueve a través de terrenos densos repletos de tensión electrónicaambiental. Este es el cuarto disco de colaboración entre ambos como Kontakt DerJunglinge, N, un disco grabado en directo hace cerca de 3 años en la ciudadalemana de BremenAsmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner perform this Thursday at the auditory of LaCasa Encendida, stage that they will step again on Friday, March 4th with thecombined project of both in the Die Stadt label, Kontakt Der Junglinge, acollaboration that moves through dense lands replete of environmental electronictension. This is the fourth collaboration record between both as Kontakt DerJunglinge, N, a live recording from the German city of Bremen 3 years ago05. CHRISTOF MIGONETrack: Sevensixone-FoureightfouroneAlbum: Sound Voice PerformLabel: Errant Bodies PressBreve corte a cargo de Christof Migone, artista sonoro canadiense que llevainvestigando desde mediados de los 80 las relaciones existentes entre el sonidoy diferentes medios relacionados con el vídeo, el cuerpo y la voz. Sound VoicePerform, el álbum que documenta los trabajos de Christof Migone en los últimos15 años, se ha publicado en Errant Bodies, el recientemente inagurado sello deotro artista multidisciplinar, Brandon LabelleBrief track by Christof Migone, a Canadian sound artist investigating frommiddle 80s the existent relationships between sound and some different meansrelated to video, body and voice. Sound Voice Perform, the album documentingChristof Migone's works in the last 15 years, has been released by ErrantBodies, recently founded label by another multidisciplinar artist, BrandonLabelle06. BJ NILSENTrack: Let me know when its overAlbum: Fade To WhiteLabel: TouchNuevo álbum de BJNilsen, artista sueco al que hasta ahora conocíamos por susobrenombre Hazard, que ha editado tres discos para Ash International y dosaclamados trabajos en el sello británico Touch, todos centrados en la percepciónhumana del espacio y el tiempo a través del sonido, y construídos a partir degrabaciones de campo realizadas durante sus múltiples viajes, en este caso, porEuropa central, esta vez no sólo con sonidos de la naturaleza sino utilizandotambién instrumentos acústicos y eléctricos grabados en espacios abiertosNew album by BJNilsen, a Swedish artist known by his Hazard moniker that hasreleased three works in Ash International and two acclaimed records more in theBritish label Touch, centered in the human perception of space and time throughsound. Built starting from field recordings taken during his multiple trips, inthis case, throughout central Europe, this time not only using sounds fromnature but also acoustic and electric instruments recorded in open spaces07. DACMTrack: BassamicoAlbum: StéréotypieLabel: AsphodelPeter Rehberg en un contexto diferente al de su proyecto Pita. Esto es unapropuesta llamada DACM, una experiencia teatral y coreográfica de vanguardiacuyos sonidos se desarrollan en un contexto ambiental, en ocasiones inclusoruidista, a pesar de contar con la colaboración a la voz de Tujiko Noriko enalgunos de los cortesPeter Rehberg in a different context to his project Pita. This is a proposalnamed DACM, an avant-garde theatrical and choreographic experience whose soundsare developed in an environmental context, in occasions even noisy, even withthe collaboration of Tujiko Noriko's voice in some of the tracks08. POLMO POLPOTrack: Kiss Me AgainAlbum: Kiss Me AgainLabel: Intr_versionSi la semana pasada abríamos Onda Sonora con uno de los mini cds publicados porAlva Noto en su sello Raster, esta vez cerramos el programa con otro trabajopublicado en idéntico formato aunque en este caso a través de Intr_version, elsello del canadiense Mitchell Akiyama, que presenta una nueva serie limitada delanzamientos en mini cd, uno de los cuales es este "Kiss Me Again" de SandroPerri, más conocido como Polmo Polpo, un artista que habitualmente graba desdeToronto para el sello Constellation y que propone una especie de homenaje de 21minutos de duración al icono del downtown neoyorkino Arthur Russell, te dejamoscon la obra completaIf last week we opened Onda Sonora with one of the mini cds released by AlvaNoto in his Raster imprint, this time we close the program with another workpublished in identical format, although in this case is Mitchell Akiyama'sIntr_version label that presents a new limited series of releases in mini cd,one of which is this Kiss Me Again by Sandro Perri, better known as Polmo Polpo,an artist that records from Toronto for the Constellation label. He is proposinga kind of an homage (of 21-minutes of duration) to the icon of the Downtown NewYorker Arthur Russell. We leave with the complete work______Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podríainteresarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serásinmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas graciasNote: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could beinteresting for you. If that’s not the case, then reply us with this subject forthe message: “delete me”, and you will be inmediately out from the mailing.Thank you --------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_93kF8qkouqjyk0UrFxYIWg)-- From ???@??? 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AOKI TAKAMASATrack: MAlbum: Simply FunkLabel: Progressive FormAbrimos el programa de esta semana con el japonés Aoki Takamasa, querecientemente editaba en el sello Progressive Form "Simply Funk", el que es suquinto álbum desde que debutara en 2001, a la edad de 25 años, con las raícesprofundamente enterradas entre la electrónica de club y la música contemporáneaWe open this week's show with the Japanese Aoki Takamasa, who recently releasedin the Progressive Form label "Simply Funk", his fifth album since his debut in2001, at the age of 25, with the roots deeply buried between club electronicsand contemporary music02. ASMUS TIETCHENSTrack: 3Album: Delta MergeLabel: RitornellAsmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner visitan Madrid esta semana, con una actuación ensolitario de cada uno, programada para este jueves 3 de marzo en La CasaEncendida. Asmus Tietchens lleva trabajando desde los años 60, centrado en lamanipulación de sonidos encontrados, de forma sugerida por el propio material.Delta Menge es uno de sus últimos trabajos, editado por el sello Ritornell en2003Asmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner are visiting Madrid this week, with a soloperformance by each one, programmed for this Thursday, March 3rd at La CasaEncendida. Asmus Tietchens has been working from the sixties, centered in themanipulation of found sounds, in a way suggested by the own material. DeltaMenge is one of his last works, released in the Ritornell label in 200303. THOMAS KONERTrack: Nuuk (Day)Album: NuukLabel: Mille Plateaux MediaThomas Köner debutaba en 1990 con el álbum Nunatak Gongamur, donde ya se podíanobservar los rasgos que definen su peculiar estilo minimalista electrónico,explorando las técnicas reductivas que desarrollaría magistralmente en sussiguientes trabajos. Un ejemplo es Nuuk, el disco que sonará mezclado conTietchens, en el que parte de una instalación multimediaThomas Köner debuted in 1990 with the Nunatak Gongamur album, where the outlinesthat define his peculiar style could already be observed: minimalistelectronics, exploring reductive techniques that would develop masterfully alonghis following works. An example is Nuuk, the record that will sound in OndaSonora mixed with Tietchens, in which he departs from a multimedia installation04. KONTAKT DER JÜNGLINGETrack: NAlbum: NLabel: Die StadtAsmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner actúan este jueves en el auditorio de La CasaEncendida, escenario que volverán a pisar el viernes 4 de marzo con el proyectoconjunto de ambos en el sello Die Stadt, Kontakt Der Junglinge, una colaboraciónque se mueve a través de terrenos densos repletos de tensión electrónicaambiental. Este es el cuarto disco de colaboración entre ambos como Kontakt DerJunglinge, N, un disco grabado en directo hace cerca de 3 años en la ciudadalemana de BremenAsmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner perform this Thursday at the auditory of LaCasa Encendida, stage that they will step again on Friday, March 4th with thecombined project of both in the Die Stadt label, Kontakt Der Junglinge, acollaboration that moves through dense lands replete of environmental electronictension. This is the fourth collaboration record between both as Kontakt DerJunglinge, N, a live recording from the German city of Bremen 3 years ago05. CHRISTOF MIGONETrack: Sevensixone-FoureightfouroneAlbum: Sound Voice PerformLabel: Errant Bodies PressBreve corte a cargo de Christof Migone, artista sonoro canadiense que llevainvestigando desde mediados de los 80 las relaciones existentes entre el sonidoy diferentes medios relacionados con el vídeo, el cuerpo y la voz. Sound VoicePerform, el álbum que documenta los trabajos de Christof Migone en los últimos15 años, se ha publicado en Errant Bodies, el recientemente inagurado sello deotro artista multidisciplinar, Brandon LabelleBrief track by Christof Migone, a Canadian sound artist investigating frommiddle 80s the existent relationships between sound and some different meansrelated to video, body and voice. Sound Voice Perform, the album documentingChristof Migone's works in the last 15 years, has been released by ErrantBodies, recently founded label by another multidisciplinar artist, BrandonLabelle06. BJ NILSENTrack: Let me know when its overAlbum: Fade To WhiteLabel: TouchNuevo álbum de BJNilsen, artista sueco al que hasta ahora conocíamos por susobrenombre Hazard, que ha editado tres discos para Ash International y dosaclamados trabajos en el sello británico Touch, todos centrados en la percepciónhumana del espacio y el tiempo a través del sonido, y construídos a partir degrabaciones de campo realizadas durante sus múltiples viajes, en este caso, porEuropa central, esta vez no sólo con sonidos de la naturaleza sino utilizandotambién instrumentos acústicos y eléctricos grabados en espacios abiertosNew album by BJNilsen, a Swedish artist known by his Hazard moniker that hasreleased three works in Ash International and two acclaimed records more in theBritish label Touch, centered in the human perception of space and time throughsound. Built starting from field recordings taken during his multiple trips, inthis case, throughout central Europe, this time not only using sounds fromnature but also acoustic and electric instruments recorded in open spaces07. DACMTrack: BassamicoAlbum: StéréotypieLabel: AsphodelPeter Rehberg en un contexto diferente al de su proyecto Pita. Esto es unapropuesta llamada DACM, una experiencia teatral y coreográfica de vanguardiacuyos sonidos se desarrollan en un contexto ambiental, en ocasiones inclusoruidista, a pesar de contar con la colaboración a la voz de Tujiko Noriko enalgunos de los cortesPeter Rehberg in a different context to his project Pita. This is a proposalnamed DACM, an avant-garde theatrical and choreographic experience whose soundsare developed in an environmental context, in occasions even noisy, even withthe collaboration of Tujiko Noriko's voice in some of the tracks08. POLMO POLPOTrack: Kiss Me AgainAlbum: Kiss Me AgainLabel: Intr_versionSi la semana pasada abríamos Onda Sonora con uno de los mini cds publicados porAlva Noto en su sello Raster, esta vez cerramos el programa con otro trabajopublicado en idéntico formato aunque en este caso a través de Intr_version, elsello del canadiense Mitchell Akiyama, que presenta una nueva serie limitada delanzamientos en mini cd, uno de los cuales es este "Kiss Me Again" de SandroPerri, más conocido como Polmo Polpo, un artista que habitualmente graba desdeToronto para el sello Constellation y que propone una especie de homenaje de 21minutos de duración al icono del downtown neoyorkino Arthur Russell, te dejamoscon la obra completaIf last week we opened Onda Sonora with one of the mini cds released by AlvaNoto in his Raster imprint, this time we close the program with another workpublished in identical format, although in this case is Mitchell Akiyama'sIntr_version label that presents a new limited series of releases in mini cd,one of which is this Kiss Me Again by Sandro Perri, better known as Polmo Polpo,an artist that records from Toronto for the Constellation label. He is proposinga kind of an homage (of 21-minutes of duration) to the icon of the Downtown NewYorker Arthur Russell. We leave with the complete work______Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podríainteresarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serásinmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas graciasNote: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could beinteresting for you. If that’s not the case, then reply us with this subject forthe message: “delete me”, and you will be inmediately out from the mailing.Thank you --------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_z5IFUXZaqDQqsBeBQqkrmw)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 22:06:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34617-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15673 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:06:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 15597 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:06:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:06:22 +0100 (CET) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 02/03/05 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QrP5sgdXrFC1EReC89L5XQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_QrP5sgdXrFC1EReC89L5XQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES)Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM - Miércoles/Wednesday 15h -www.circulobellasartes.comRadio Autónoma 88.8 FM - Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h - www.uam.es/raEscucha en directo a cualquier hora / Listen live real time -www.ondasonoraradio.com_________________________________CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 02/03/0501. AOKI TAKAMASATrack: MAlbum: Simply FunkLabel: Progressive FormAbrimos el programa de esta semana con el japonés Aoki Takamasa, querecientemente editaba en el sello Progressive Form "Simply Funk", el que es suquinto álbum desde que debutara en 2001, a la edad de 25 años, con las raícesprofundamente enterradas entre la electrónica de club y la música contemporáneaWe open this week's show with the Japanese Aoki Takamasa, who recently releasedin the Progressive Form label "Simply Funk", his fifth album since his debut in2001, at the age of 25, with the roots deeply buried between club electronicsand contemporary music02. ASMUS TIETCHENSTrack: 3Album: Delta MergeLabel: RitornellAsmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner visitan Madrid esta semana, con una actuación ensolitario de cada uno, programada para este jueves 3 de marzo en La CasaEncendida. Asmus Tietchens lleva trabajando desde los años 60, centrado en lamanipulación de sonidos encontrados, de forma sugerida por el propio material.Delta Menge es uno de sus últimos trabajos, editado por el sello Ritornell en2003Asmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner are visiting Madrid this week, with a soloperformance by each one, programmed for this Thursday, March 3rd at La CasaEncendida. Asmus Tietchens has been working from the sixties, centered in themanipulation of found sounds, in a way suggested by the own material. DeltaMenge is one of his last works, released in the Ritornell label in 200303. THOMAS KONERTrack: Nuuk (Day)Album: NuukLabel: Mille Plateaux MediaThomas Köner debutaba en 1990 con el álbum Nunatak Gongamur, donde ya se podíanobservar los rasgos que definen su peculiar estilo minimalista electrónico,explorando las técnicas reductivas que desarrollaría magistralmente en sussiguientes trabajos. Un ejemplo es Nuuk, el disco que sonará mezclado conTietchens, en el que parte de una instalación multimediaThomas Köner debuted in 1990 with the Nunatak Gongamur album, where the outlinesthat define his peculiar style could already be observed: minimalistelectronics, exploring reductive techniques that would develop masterfully alonghis following works. An example is Nuuk, the record that will sound in OndaSonora mixed with Tietchens, in which he departs from a multimedia installation04. KONTAKT DER JÜNGLINGETrack: NAlbum: NLabel: Die StadtAsmus Tietchens y Thomas Köner actúan este jueves en el auditorio de La CasaEncendida, escenario que volverán a pisar el viernes 4 de marzo con el proyectoconjunto de ambos en el sello Die Stadt, Kontakt Der Junglinge, una colaboraciónque se mueve a través de terrenos densos repletos de tensión electrónicaambiental. Este es el cuarto disco de colaboración entre ambos como Kontakt DerJunglinge, N, un disco grabado en directo hace cerca de 3 años en la ciudadalemana de BremenAsmus Tietchens and Thomas Köner perform this Thursday at the auditory of LaCasa Encendida, stage that they will step again on Friday, March 4th with thecombined project of both in the Die Stadt label, Kontakt Der Junglinge, acollaboration that moves through dense lands replete of environmental electronictension. This is the fourth collaboration record between both as Kontakt DerJunglinge, N, a live recording from the German city of Bremen 3 years ago05. CHRISTOF MIGONETrack: Sevensixone-FoureightfouroneAlbum: Sound Voice PerformLabel: Errant Bodies PressBreve corte a cargo de Christof Migone, artista sonoro canadiense que llevainvestigando desde mediados de los 80 las relaciones existentes entre el sonidoy diferentes medios relacionados con el vídeo, el cuerpo y la voz. Sound VoicePerform, el álbum que documenta los trabajos de Christof Migone en los últimos15 años, se ha publicado en Errant Bodies, el recientemente inagurado sello deotro artista multidisciplinar, Brandon LabelleBrief track by Christof Migone, a Canadian sound artist investigating frommiddle 80s the existent relationships between sound and some different meansrelated to video, body and voice. Sound Voice Perform, the album documentingChristof Migone's works in the last 15 years, has been released by ErrantBodies, recently founded label by another multidisciplinar artist, BrandonLabelle06. BJ NILSENTrack: Let me know when its overAlbum: Fade To WhiteLabel: TouchNuevo álbum de BJNilsen, artista sueco al que hasta ahora conocíamos por susobrenombre Hazard, que ha editado tres discos para Ash International y dosaclamados trabajos en el sello británico Touch, todos centrados en la percepciónhumana del espacio y el tiempo a través del sonido, y construídos a partir degrabaciones de campo realizadas durante sus múltiples viajes, en este caso, porEuropa central, esta vez no sólo con sonidos de la naturaleza sino utilizandotambién instrumentos acústicos y eléctricos grabados en espacios abiertosNew album by BJNilsen, a Swedish artist known by his Hazard moniker that hasreleased three works in Ash International and two acclaimed records more in theBritish label Touch, centered in the human perception of space and time throughsound. Built starting from field recordings taken during his multiple trips, inthis case, throughout central Europe, this time not only using sounds fromnature but also acoustic and electric instruments recorded in open spaces07. DACMTrack: BassamicoAlbum: StéréotypieLabel: AsphodelPeter Rehberg en un contexto diferente al de su proyecto Pita. Esto es unapropuesta llamada DACM, una experiencia teatral y coreográfica de vanguardiacuyos sonidos se desarrollan en un contexto ambiental, en ocasiones inclusoruidista, a pesar de contar con la colaboración a la voz de Tujiko Noriko enalgunos de los cortesPeter Rehberg in a different context to his project Pita. This is a proposalnamed DACM, an avant-garde theatrical and choreographic experience whose soundsare developed in an environmental context, in occasions even noisy, even withthe collaboration of Tujiko Noriko's voice in some of the tracks08. POLMO POLPOTrack: Kiss Me AgainAlbum: Kiss Me AgainLabel: Intr_versionSi la semana pasada abríamos Onda Sonora con uno de los mini cds publicados porAlva Noto en su sello Raster, esta vez cerramos el programa con otro trabajopublicado en idéntico formato aunque en este caso a través de Intr_version, elsello del canadiense Mitchell Akiyama, que presenta una nueva serie limitada delanzamientos en mini cd, uno de los cuales es este "Kiss Me Again" de SandroPerri, más conocido como Polmo Polpo, un artista que habitualmente graba desdeToronto para el sello Constellation y que propone una especie de homenaje de 21minutos de duración al icono del downtown neoyorkino Arthur Russell, te dejamoscon la obra completaIf last week we opened Onda Sonora with one of the mini cds released by AlvaNoto in his Raster imprint, this time we close the program with another workpublished in identical format, although in this case is Mitchell Akiyama'sIntr_version label that presents a new limited series of releases in mini cd,one of which is this Kiss Me Again by Sandro Perri, better known as Polmo Polpo,an artist that records from Toronto for the Constellation label. He is proposinga kind of an homage (of 21-minutes of duration) to the icon of the Downtown NewYorker Arthur Russell. We leave with the complete work______Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podríainteresarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serásinmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas graciasNote: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could beinteresting for you. If that’s not the case, then reply us with this subject forthe message: “delete me”, and you will be inmediately out from the mailing.Thank you --------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_QrP5sgdXrFC1EReC89L5XQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 22:06:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34616-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14860 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:06:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 14830 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:06:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:06:14 -0800 From: J m <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iPod 'squeaks' To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: J m <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kK/IVc1rMHwSQrTkpuNFVMqY5+U2H5VvWiJ7xSUyDrsqSyJZLsItyWrjIgIH5CK5J9RBsJMVAR0+6gYiHto2zLZiJigoTeEHKAETzNEd4NITCrTvvnON55sI4abcmSVmv9xe1yDBxRARIPRnhwx1OKwzfRk9e4PpXwFj0yGCLE0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx very cool. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7085 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 21:02:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34615-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89052 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:02:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 88990 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:02:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:02:02 +0000 From: xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] what's going on in London? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 81.178.77.3/instID=140 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <16289262.1109797322516.JavaMail.xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, This will be a good one if you like Radiohead (or even if not, I doubt they'll be playing Creep) http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/events/117110.html?section=all&file=month&month=0&week=0 Michael. On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 11:53AM, Bas Van Heur <xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: >dear all, > >I'll be visiting London from Sunday 27 March until Saturday 2 April. > >Any interesting exhibitions / shows / concerts or clubs / galeries in >general in the field of sound art, microsound and (experimental) electronic >music any list members are aware off? > >thanks in advance! > >Bas van Heur > >editor / cut.up.magazine / www.cut-up.com >lecturer / institute of media and representation / www.let.uu.nl/umr > >-- >Lassen Sie Ihren Gedanken freien Lauf... z.B. per FreeSMS >GMX bietet bis zu 100 FreeSMS/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 20:17:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34614-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68861 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:17:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 68851 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:17:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:17:05 -0700 From: Michael Andrew Doherty <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Denver and Boulder Area Musickers... To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <NGBBIFNCKKMPEKGHNAHFIEDBCJAA.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YYaECMcbxtgfPPIwTT6ppA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <NGBBIFNCKKMPEKGHNAHFIEDBCJAA.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YYaECMcbxtgfPPIwTT6ppA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preparations are currently under way toward creating a community of composers, sound artists, musicians and phonographers in the Denver/Boulder area. We are working toward creating and maintaining a concert series, and supplemental workshops / lectures. If you are in the Denver/Boulder area and are a musicker wanting to share your craft and learn from others please email me off-list: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx typical cross-posting apologies apply. -Michael --Boundary_(ID_YYaECMcbxtgfPPIwTT6ppA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_YYaECMcbxtgfPPIwTT6ppA)-- From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 18:15:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34613-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26577 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:15:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 26563 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:15:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:20:10 -0800 From: io <xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] you promise / Otis College of Art and Design In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4B43DA.6AA4%xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i+o (aka irving + orser) will present a sound and video work as part of a group show tonight at Otis. other works by Jennifer Porter, Michael Brunswick, MXF, Jim Olech, Dana Duff, Michele Jaquis, Adam Schwartz, Pascual Sisto, Jeremy Quinn, Carey Wheeler. ......... you promise / Wednesday March 2, 2005 7pm curated by bianca d'amico Otis College of Art and Design On the Otis Lawn 9045 Lincoln Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90045 310.665.6885 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 16:28:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34612-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72720 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:28:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 72707 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:28:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] dirty south In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rQ+NwjOTKB1/abFQ1bTjrZgsGIJpQ3M70AnBR/07wWTgDXDYwy9P6z7rgQFT6R9H6I2Ee4jaj+7vTxPXLZSw3EJ2Acg3MWWLCOEp7FhgLqmObF06J3127kxEEDXiKrRFX7wRAdgQcUagzmx8LBDjbo7RW+yHxmGb6YnR2YO8iCs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx \ intermedia artist Phil Niblock hosts a workshop tonite. Austin, Tx. at church of the friendly ghost. Performs live tomorrow xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx. in conjunction with AMODA performance series. see - http://www.amoda.org/ Phil Niblock works with resonant sound processing, and his work is beautifull and loud. this is phil's site with bio and so forth - http://www.phillniblock.com/ wave on, wave on. b. g. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 12:57:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34611-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94801 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:57:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 94791 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:57:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:04:12 +0100 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [Fwd: [PD] University of Lueneburg audio workshop] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This came in to the PD list over the last couple of days. Looks pretty interesting! derek -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PD] University of Lueneburg audio workshop Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:52:29 +0100 From: Florian Grote <xxx@xxxxxxxx-xxxxx.xx> To: xx-xxxx@xxx.xx Call for Participation When searching for the determinant factors of digital audio production, its forms and compositional strategies, mere technological criteria become less important in the light of the pervasion of information technology into audio media. "Computer als Klangmedien" (Computers as Sound Media), the topic of the 1993 Hyperkult III, have become omnipresent. Even the traditional domain of digital music, the "Computer Music" with its core elements, algorithmic composition and sound synthesis, can be found in a broad practice of digital production within mainstream pop music. Compositional as well as sound-aesthetical traditions of "Elektronische Musik" and "musique concrète" become base elements of a popular or less popular avantgarde that is positioned beyond historic dogmas. At the same time, artistic as well as scientific discourses discover electronic sound as a central area of present-time culture. Apparently, the abstract soundworlds of electronica do not only represent the digital lifestyle but also come to be the projection space of techno-cultural change. Phenomena of hybridism, as they were described in the 90s caused by the disbandment of familiar boundaries between technology, nature and culture , between plugged and unplugged and also between Art and Pop Music, now gain new actuality with the reintegration of analog sound synthesis, tube amplifiers, and manually operated instruments into the digital environment. On one hand, hybrid technology corresponds with a hybrid culture of merging established oppositions, however does it also often aim at creating fotorealistic simulations of its predecessors. Against this background, how are methods, contents, traditions and creative strategies changed? Which relations exist between digital audio media and auditive forms and processes? Do distribution and collaborative production in digital networks call for a new definition of the musically interested public? Which technological innovations will give direction to future practices? HyperKult 14 wants to debate these and other questions in an interdisciplinary dialogue and take the chance to reach an up-to-date positioning of digital audio media. Contributions from diverse scientific and artistic plateaus in the field of audio compression methods, sound synthesis, sampling, software-tools, Creative Commons, avantgarde-pop, sound art, sound culture, informatics, cultural and media sciences are welcome. The HyperKult will have an extended exhibition area with the topic communications . The goal is to advance the practice-related exchange between projects, organisations, labels, and musicians (etc.). Interested parties are hereby called upon to participate with presentations. A registration is obligatory due to limited space. Dates Please send 1-2 page abstracts of your contribution to the workshop HyperKult 14 (scientific lectures, technical or artistic demontrations) as well as registrations for communications -presentations (no fees) until March 31 2005 to: Universität Lüneburg Rechenzentrum HyperKult 21332 Lüneburg Germany mailto:xxxxxxxxx@xxx-xxxxxxxxx.xx Organizational committee Rolf Großmann Martin Schreiber Martin Warnke Program committee Rolf Großmann (Universität Lüneburg) Michael Harenberg (Hochschule der Künste Bern) Robert Henke (aka Monolake, Ableton, Berlin, angefragt) Jochen Koubek (Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin) Claus Pias (Ruhr-Universität Bochum) Martin Schreiber (Universität Lüneburg) Georg Christoph Tholen (Universität Basel) Georg Trogemann (Kunsthochschule für Medien Köln Martin Warnke (Universität Lüneburg) Section »Computer als Medium« In line with the HyperKult 14, the annual general meeting of the section will take place on July 16 2005. What is HyperKult? »HyperKult - Computer as Medium« takes place as an annual (non-profit and no-budget) symposium since 1990. Hyper(media)Kult(ur) was an at this time an upcoming field of research across the borderline of technical and cultural disciplines. HyperKult has broadened over the years to examine more general questions of the relationship between cultural, especially aesthetic development and information technology. HyperKult is organized by the department "Kulturinformatik" of the University of Lueneburg in Kooperation with researchers from Humboldt University Berlin and the University of Basel (Switzerland). _______________________________________________ xx-xxxx@xxx.xx mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 12:06:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34610-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81541 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:06:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 81526 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:06:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:06:16 +0100 From: rnlx <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] fwd: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Collins/M=F6slang_in_Zurich=2C_Friday?= To: idm list <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, microsound list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at glasgow.scriptroom.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx for anybody near switzerland... consider this! r begin of forwarded message_ Einladung zum Konzert von Nicolas Collins (Chicago) & Norbert Möslang. Freitag, 4. März - Kunstraum Walcheturm - Zürich - Beginn 21.00 Uhr Liebe Grüsse, roly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 11:53:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34609-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77751 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:53:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 77741 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:53:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:53:33 +0100 (MET) From: Bas Van Heur <xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] what's going on in London? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #17505637 X-Flags: 0001 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dear all, I'll be visiting London from Sunday 27 March until Saturday 2 April. Any interesting exhibitions / shows / concerts or clubs / galeries in general in the field of sound art, microsound and (experimental) electronic music any list members are aware off? thanks in advance! Bas van Heur editor / cut.up.magazine / www.cut-up.com lecturer / institute of media and representation / www.let.uu.nl/umr -- Lassen Sie Ihren Gedanken freien Lauf... z.B. per FreeSMS GMX bietet bis zu 100 FreeSMS/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 11:41:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34608-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73340 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:41:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 73327 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:41:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:41:03 +0100 From: herv=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?= boghossian <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] LIST events and related ones (03.05) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4B64DF.8E8B%xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, 16.03.05 ERBAN > Nantes (fr) :: Afternoon Performance by Herve Boghossian & Debate during the "Point d'orgue" colloquium on "visual & sound arts . http://www.erba-nantes.fr 26.03.05 Les Voutes > Paris (fr) ::live : Plateformes : Hervé Boghossian/Stéphane Rives/Matthieu Saladin* http://www.lesvoutes.org *H.B : guitar -electric- S.R : soprano saxophone -acoustic- M.S : bass clarinet -amplified- more info on stéphane rives at : http://www.stephanerives.net/ http://www.potlatch.fr new LIST distributors : CANADA : VERGE http://www.vergemusic.com [and also 1.8(sec) ] USA : ERSTWHILE http://www.erstwhilerecords.com [and also EAR/RATIONAL & PRAEMEDIA] CHINA : MONITOR http://www.monitor-records.com SCANDINAVIA : DOT http://www.dotshop.se NOW AVAILABLE ! GUNTER MULLER & STEINBRUCHEL "PERSPECTIVES" (L6) cd . more info on List website http://www.list-en.com ( including mp3 extracts) . >the cd is available through LIST paypal shop http://www.list-en.com : account : xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xx.xxx write "perspectives" on your mail, the price is 14 euros shipping offered worldwide ! thanks for your attention . best rv --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 09:37:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34607-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41922 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:37:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 41912 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:37:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:40:06 +1100 From: Brendan Palmer <xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Australia: Uber Lingua this week in Melb, Adel & on the SBS National airwaves In-reply-to: <BE4BD513.10157%xx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4BD526.10158%xx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This week :::: __________ Melbourne: Uber Lingua at St Jeromes features Post-Swiss, pseudo-Mexican, Tasmanian rogue Sakamoiz from Hobart, and DJ Zalt from Japan playing minimalist techno, electronic and ambient grooves with a few breaks & surprises thrown in for good measure! . Alongside the resonant DJs: bP, Saigon Sausage and Raceless.... Thursday March 3 6pm till 1am 7 Caledonian Lane Melb CBD for full details and photos goto http://www.uberlingua.com/melb __________ Adelaide: Uber Lingua is proud to announce that five of it's DJ crew will be in Adelaide during the Womadelaide festival on the 4th & 5th of March... @ Zhivago, 155 Weymouth Street Adelaide SA Invited to Adelaide (un-officially) to supliment the Wozone event that isn't happening this year, the Uber Lingua DJs team up with the inner city venue Zhivago to play a fairly mind blowing array of un-heard tracks from around the globe... Japanese electro-clash, Russian Ragga, Hungarian Hip Hop, Maori Mash-ups and the like... Travelling from Hobart, Melbourne, London and Sydney... four Uber DJs are featured on Womad's Saturday night, with a fifth ex-Adelaide disc spinner featured alongside quality local Talent on the Friday night. for more info and bios goto http://www.uberlingua.com/adelaide Saturday night's gig at Zhivago will be nationally simulcast on SBS Alchemy Radio from 11pm till 5am! Adelaide's local freq is 106.3FM ... goto http://www.sbs.com.au/alchemy for full national frequencies... _________ demos can be sent to PO Box 2613 Fitzroy 3065 Australia Internationals visiting Australia, please make contact... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Mar 2 06:19:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34606-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81081 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:19:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 81068 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:19:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:19:34 -0500 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Regarding Direwires live on Atmsphr.radio To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4AC526.3882%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A direwires performance was scheduled to be broadcast this evening.. I've been informed that there are slight quirks with the webcast server from time to time and so it was either delayed or not included in the programming tonight. Please watch www.atmsphr.org for repeat broadcasts a little further into this month. Sorry for any inconveniences caused. -adam (direwires) Direwires.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Wed Mar 2 01:40:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34604-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75534 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:40:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 75524 invoked from network); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:40:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:40:01 -0800 From: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] one of those morning's evenings To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lGBITuBPUA2vU89xGG17ZV223cl1No5dUGJg+NVon+M/TXgsm/Anum6q2fP7UHI6SFrEctN9uUib5KVoKQ2ufMC8BEHz0eUvqJdZvTU5FaeOO92s5qtwuJKT3BFVP1hXBevau19AZCoY0CUlgaKGq6IKlfmZaNpWXbXdA2ArTOM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ever have one of those mornings where you search for something to listen to on the journey to work and find a forgotten cdr with 15 unreleased tracks from 2-3 years ago? if anyones interested i put them online: http://patternmedia.com/ i hadn't heard most of these in years myself. -- http://patternmedia.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 1 23:18:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34603-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25836 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:18:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 25816 invoked from network); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:18:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:18:23 -0500 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Direwires live webcast tonight To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE4A626F.3867%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2T4CPYXHo+eumwYB/wQK4g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_2T4CPYXHo+eumwYB/wQK4g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This may be short notice for some to plan to check out, but I had short notice myself. Here¹s a clipping from the mailing list announcement. Times are in EST I believe. *Special announcement* A live set from Direwires will be broadcast tonight on ATMOSPHERE RADIO http://www.atmsphr.org/atmosradio.htm Show airs 12-2am. Direwires set lasts one hour, played sometime during the program. Check www.atmsphr.org for dates of repeat broadcast. Œdirewires¹ is a project that blurs the lines between sound art and musical composition. Using specific technique and criteria, Adam writes a comprehensive soundtrack to his own life; treating it as if it were a film. Influenced by the work of composer Koji Kondo (namely selections from the Zelda: Ocarina of Time) as well as experimental and ambient artists from around the globe, Adam employs the use of field recordings, familiar sounds and voices to weave a tapestry of beautiful tones and musical expressions. Direwires is Adam Young (of Tractile) direwires.com | atmsphr.org --Boundary_(ID_2T4CPYXHo+eumwYB/wQK4g)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 1 21:36:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34602-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86721 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:36:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 86709 invoked from network); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:36:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:36:36 +0000 From: ". m u r m e r ." <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [playlist] framework - 25.02.05 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003e01c51ea6$bf456e10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_89q0i52nHMuva60VUU1tyw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_89q0i52nHMuva60VUU1tyw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit framework broadcasts live every friday (except the first one of each month) on resonance104.4fm in london (uk) or worldwide on http://www.resonancefm.com between 8:30 and 9:30pm gmt, and is repeated the following wednesday between 11:00am and 12:00 noon gmt next live broadcast: 11.03.05 ~ time zone converter: http://www.thesaturnv.com/converter.html RESONANCE FM'S PROGRAMMING IS PRODUCED ENTIRELY BY VOLUNTEERS; PLEASE HELP US TO CONTINUE BY MAKING A DONATION. 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THANK YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework - phonography/field recording; contextual and decontextualized sound activity presented by patrick mcginley this edition concentrated again on long and multiple explorations of just a few releases - 2 long tracks from eric la casa's surprisingly manipulated work nuees, a collaboration with and accompaniment for an exhibition by french sculptor jephan de villiers (released in an edition with a book on de villiers work); long looks at 2 unreleased works by adam wimbush and alessandro fogar; several dips into ronnie sundin's latest ethereal effort hagring; and a historical nod to the rusty hinges of pierre henry. next friday sees peter cusack's vermillion sounds take the friday 8:30 slot; we'll be back the following friday, the 11th, for our next edition, and the friday after that, the 18th, for march's framework:focus, featuring a live studio performance by stasisfield's john kannenberg. again, we are always looking for material for the show, whether raw field recordings, field recording based composition or introduction submissions. send material, released or not, on any format, to the address below. we are also hoping to have live performances as often as possible, so if you are in or passing through london please get in touch! framework 31 nevill road london n16 8sl uk xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11.02.05 this edition will be rebroadcast this wednesday, 02.03.05, at 11:00am gmt (artist / title / album / label) mike harding / framework intro recorded on a train to liverpool, featuring two sandwiches, giggling girls, and some mysterious morse code http://www.touchmusic.org.uk eric la casa / aube / nuees / rurart deep and droning organic and beastly murmurs accompany first-light shimmers and hums http://ascendre.free.fr, http://www.rurart.org alessandro fogar / - / soundframes / - untreated binaural collage of natural sounds blending with eric's more mysterious tones http://www.fogar.it ronnie sundin / - / hagring / antifrost early excerpt featuring minute crackling noises and spacious silences http://www.antifrost.gr adam wimbush / - / the appliances' speak / - one long slow developing soundscape formed from the harmonic changes of, perhaps, humming kitchen appliances? xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx eric la casa / crepuscule / nuees / rurart rough and layered rumbles and cracks, hard contact in contrast to la casa's previous floating track http://ascendre.free.fr, http://www.rurart.org pierre henry / sommeil balancement chant 1 eveil chant 2 etirement / variations pour une porte et un soupir / harmonia mundi several short tracks from this 1963 composition featuring a creaking door, a musical saw, and the composer's own breath alessandro fogar / - / soundframes / - another sampling from further on in this work, becoming more frantic with larger swathes of more textured sound in multiple layers http://www.fogar.it ronnie sundin / - / hagring / antifrost the final segment of this piece, where the restrained minimal nature of the work is finally unleashed into a mammoth soaring drone http://www.antifrost.gr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- framework intro submissions: 1) take yourself and an audio recording device to a location of your choice 2) record for AT LEAST 1 minute before you - 3) read the following text: welcome to framework. framework is a show consecrated to field recording, and it's use in composition. field recording, phonography, the art of sound-hunting; open your ears and listen! 4) continue your recording for AT LEAST 2 minutes after you've finish speaking 5) send the recording on any format to the address above, or as an mp3 via email thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the framework 2003 cd has been reprinted and is now once again available directly from the resonancefm online shop, along with a selection of other benefit cds, t-shirts, and general paraphernalia. drop in here to have a look: http://www.resonancefm.com/shop.php framework 2003 resonancefm benefit cd featuring highlights from the year's broadcasting rob grant & melanie clifford / framework intro thomas dimuzio / unearth & lift and spear / sonicism / rrrecords chris watson / river mara at night / stepping into the dark / touch johannes helden / - / sketchbook / trente oiseaux toy bizarre / - / kdi dctb 116 / absurd murmer / liquid solid / definition / absurd jgrzinich & seth nehil / the distant edge / confluence / intransitive seth nehil & jgrzinich / the mirrored corner / stria / erewhon annette lissauer / framework intro toby paddock / air, surface and magnetic vibrations / - / - steve roden / - / resonant cities / trente oiseaux francisco lopez / untitled #101 / untitled (2000) / ignis projekt mnortham / ancient sewer pipe, valletta, malta / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org the quiet american / donkey trains leaving marpha, nepal / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org steve barsotti / trainyard presence / phonography.org 5 / phonography.org k. m. krebs / jericho sailing center (nautical gamelan) / phonography.org 4 / phonography.org david daniell / highway 371, forty miles south of farmington, january 19, 1998, 2:25 pm / sem / antiopic joyce hinterding / - / spectral / antiopic/sigma editions david daniell / dixon lake road, july 31, 1999, 5:45 am / sem / antiopic tacet ncv / live on framework jean-luc guionnet & bertrand denzler / live on framework dallas simpson / framework intro --Boundary_(ID_89q0i52nHMuva60VUU1tyw)-- From ???@??? Tue Mar 1 17:55:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34601-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58820 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:55:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 58809 invoked from network); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:55:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:55:46 -0800 (PST) From: Praemedia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] (announcement) The Sad Mac. New CD on HEADZ In-reply-to: <R02010100-1038-7E62EDC08A3C11D9A82A000D933B19D8@[217.224.126.69]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NKs3AZEa9x7J+3uh+x9lNAiE/kXQkZtncXmmxuWO6d9ySXKhPRXzw52KnqSWArYE2MnhpYpw89Iwd4vwvAp0JpDh6UwZX/38wJJREwI5ymEt18yeXhRUAK12/4VincyU2VDM2lgsI02Xna+bxSIq7VL2FfUsw1tXBRxSp/M3I7A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > worldwide distribution slowly seems to happen, you > can order it through erstwhile > www.erstwhilerecords.com/inventory/list.asp also currently available at http://shop.praemedia.com cheers. lance __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 1 10:27:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34600-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50495 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:27:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 50485 invoked from network); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:27:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:27:20 +0100 From: stephan mathieu <xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] (announcement) The Sad Mac. New CD on HEADZ To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <R02010100-1038-7E62EDC08A3C11D9A82A000D933B19D8@[217.224.126.69]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.1 (Blindsider) Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello, my fourth studio album has been released by headz, tokyo. there are reviews by ronald schepper at www.textura.org/newreviewspages/mathieusadmac.htm and by dan warburton www.paristransatlantic.com/magazine/monthly2005/03mar_text.html#11 worldwide distribution slowly seems to happen, you can order it through erstwhile www.erstwhilerecords.com/inventory/list.asp best wishes - stephan -- Stephan Mathieu. The Sad Mac Format: CD (Special Cardboard Packaging) Label: HEADZ ( www.faderbyheadz.com ) Catalog No.: vector 4/HEADZ 33 My computer is sad because... I don¹t spend 16 hours a day with him anymore I force him to work on his own I tell him Œno¹ more often he¹s sick and he feels neglected because I¹m a house husband now, taking care of my kids and the garden. press release - www.bitsteam.de/sadmacPRESS.pdf (275k) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 1 06:06:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-34599-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77846 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:06:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 77836 invoked from network); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:06:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:06:21 -0800 From: Trevor Mcpherson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Fall Down go boom In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010400-1038-166E92CD89AE11D98F5F000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ladies, gentlemen, and my fellow geeks - I have sad news to share. My aged workhorse PC finally went to pieces. It was not an unexpected event, and many hours of c:\ commands were executed in an attempt to save it. Luckily my laptop lives on. All hope is not lost. After a visit to the local PC shaman (squinty chain smoking fellow a couple blocks over), I intend to save the important, ditch the ephemera, and resurrect the beast as an open source learning project. This is where I hope to draw on the wealth of experience of list members. I have seen many a reference to linux and open source in the posts here, and I'm hoping to scavenge enough resources to build me a microsoft-less pc. My lapto is primarily the music workstation, and the PC will function as office/graphic workstationI have, ummm...had some bookmarks for getting started with open source and linux. Any and all suggestions welcomed. Off list, on list, carrier pigeon, smoke signals....I'll take what ever you have to offer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org