From Andrew Cameron Sent Fri, Dec 1st 2006, 04:16
From Andrew Cameron Sent Fri, Dec 1st 2006, 04:16
Beatport can be flaky for me, lost items in the crate a few times etc... The best part of bleep.com for me is how (in safari in my case) when you preview a track, just create a new tab and read the news or something, and the track will play with no fade-out until you click back on the bleep tab. Great for certain tracks that you want to hear in full (pedantically). It flaked on me only once, I think in the first week of its life, so I think it's definitely the benchmark. On 01/12/2006, at 6:07 AM, Graham Miller wrote: > my problem with beatport is that the preview quality is atrocious. > you can't tell if the production of the actual recording is any > good and that deters me from buying any digital downloads. i think > this is especially shortsighted when you consider that in the idiom > of electronic dance music the production IS the music. > > i'm really hooked on bleep.com. the preview system they have there > is perfect. you see the entire track as a waveform and can shuttle > instantly anywhere in the track, with really decent preview audio > quality that plays for about 20 seconds before fading to silence. > > it's also a beautiful website done by the geniuses at kleber.net. > > g. > >> >> Anyway I buy the releases I like, in part because I do want to >> support >> artists. But note that beyond that, a digital download from beatport >> is normally of higher quality, especially since I usually buy WAV >> rather than mp3 for instance. So all ethics aside, there is, in fact, >> good incentive for a discriminating consumer to buy legal digital >> copies of files. >> >> ~David >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Dec 1 01:47:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40903-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24146 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:48:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 24134 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:48:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:46:47 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] "Discovering Electronic Music" In-reply-to: <C1934E4C.683C%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: DXZMOD8VM1lGod4roGSgpOzsugQp_0ley8ywRSVGNRSMrIuD.iyJgawjdh8Ms4ZcAGO2TtacmZ_5QiVGF956kmTfdoEf7wFeapvHSRTBShZe979a8jsV X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1934E4C.683C%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Nov 28, at 9:48 PM, Simon Hampson wrote: > Maaaannnn.. I can't believe this film is from 1983. It looks like a > '50s US > sci-fi film. > > Thanks for the link Rod. Sure, didja check out the other parts - ending with the Fairlight? memories... R~~ --- Now playing: Harmonia - Poljana, poljana/Poracki Zenicky --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 22:31:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40902-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28573 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:32:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 28563 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:32:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:30:51 -0500 From: Chris Molinski <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Dec 1: Neuhaus, Interactive Sound Network X-Originating-IP: [71.203.196.247] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 22:30:54.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[32A81310:01C714CF] hello microsound: Dec 1 - 23: The Art Gallery of Knoxville is proud to present the Networks of acclaimed sound artist Max Neuhaus. Friday Dec 1 Participate Online! USA: 6 -11pm EST Go to http://www.auracle.org and log into Auracle - broadcast though the Art Gallery of Knoxville exhibition. -- "The Networks propose the self-evolution of new musics. Their premise is a form of music-making which remains now only in societies untouched by modern civilization. Rather than something to be listened to, music in these cultures is an activity open to the public at large – a dialogue with sound rather than a performance. I believe this to be the original impulse for music in mankind." -Max Neuhaus Max Neuhaus has worked in the fields of contemporary art and music for more than 40 years. He is credited with being the first to extend sound as a primary medium into the field of contemporary art. His work has been exhibited internationally in museums and galleries, including exhibitions at the Dia Art Foundation, New York; the Museum of Modern Art, New York; Whitney Museum of American Art, New York; Musée d'art moderne de la ville de Paris; and the Kunsthalle, Bern. The Networks of Max Neuhaus are both a tremendous experiment in new sound – and an early example of Network Art. Max Neuhaus: "It grew out of an interest of mine in the potential of music-making with the lay public over networks. The first realization in this direction was Public Supply in 1966. … Over the next decade, I gradually developed this concept with other realizations and finally in 1977 realized Radio Net, a two-hour nationwide radio event where ten thousand people played a cross-country instrument with their voices. … In 2000 I realized that I could do it on the web…." "Auracle is a networked sound instrument, controlled by the voice. It is played and heard over the Internet. Anyone can use it by simply launching it in their web browser at www.auracle.org and creating sounds unaccompanied or with other participants in real time.." An exhibition of these Networks, featuring the online tool Auracle, will be on display during the month of December at the Art Gallery of Knoxville. The Networks (or broadcast works) are systems, " virtual architectures," which act as a forum open to anyone for the evolution of new musics. Auracle, the most recent Neuhaus network, is an online tool available at Auracle.org - visitors to the Auracle website may experience the artwork 24 hours a day, seven days a week. During the month of December Auracle will become an active sound, broadcast through the Art Gallery of Knoxville space. Please participate with this exhibition through Auracle.org – starting on Dec 1 all sounds on Auracle will be broadcast live in the Art Gallery of Knoxville space. 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Thu Nov 30 19:08:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40901-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14963 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:09:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 14933 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:09:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:07:51 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my problem with beatport is that the preview quality is atrocious. you can't tell if the production of the actual recording is any good and that deters me from buying any digital downloads. i think this is especially shortsighted when you consider that in the idiom of electronic dance music the production IS the music. i'm really hooked on bleep.com. the preview system they have there is perfect. you see the entire track as a waveform and can shuttle instantly anywhere in the track, with really decent preview audio quality that plays for about 20 seconds before fading to silence. it's also a beautiful website done by the geniuses at kleber.net. g. > > Anyway I buy the releases I like, in part because I do want to support > artists. But note that beyond that, a digital download from beatport > is normally of higher quality, especially since I usually buy WAV > rather than mp3 for instance. So all ethics aside, there is, in fact, > good incentive for a discriminating consumer to buy legal digital > copies of files. > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 17:54:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40900-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66579 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:48:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 66569 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:48:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:50:03 +0100 From: "david.microsuoni" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0652-2, 30/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello david, ok, this is what you do, choose the ones you like and pay the artists and delete the other downloads you don't like, nothing to say, i think this is a fair way of acting. i am pretty sure though (yes i may have a distrustful view of the consumer, maybe of the human race?...), there are thousands of people who donwload everything, keep everything, listen to everything, illegally. as for people who cannot afford to buy cds: so they are granted the permission to steal? there are thousands of net labels to download from, almost every artist has some free mp3s on his website, so you may always find something interesting for free, legally. anyway, since illegal downloading is here to stay, i think it's the labels & artists who should try and find some new creative ways of publishing their works, it's time that the regular jewel-cased audio cd is going to disappear. david http://microsuoni.com > >I'd also point out, many of those who download stuff and never >purchase any of it, are probably those who usually just can't afford >it. So maybe these people are indeed stealing. Even so, the artist has >not yet lost money, because this is a sale that in all likelihood >would not have ever occurred. > >Anyway I buy the releases I like, in part because I do want to support >artists. But note that beyond that, a digital download from beatport >is normally of higher quality, especially since I usually buy WAV >rather than mp3 for instance. So all ethics aside, there is, in fact, >good incentive for a discriminating consumer to buy legal digital >copies of files. > >~David > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 17:33:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40899-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59070 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 59060 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I read up on this converation last night before I went to bed, and I was too tired then to throw in my 2 cent, but here's a morning look... What you are refering to is completely "new" music to the listener. And this aspect, or at least some cases of it, you're not completely off. Last night I went to see Joanna Newsom perform and in this particular case, there is two sides to it. When her first record came out, no one had heard of her and thus filesharing of her album might have increased sales of her record significantly due to the fact that most people would never had just bought her record on impulse, but that many people bought it after they found they liked it. I'm sure it's hard to actually tell if this is really paper proof, but it seems realistic to me. And in your case (David Powers), as a fairly unknown artist, free music is the way to introduce you and get yourself some fans. But then there is the next step, which in Newsom's case. For every person who had heard her first album and enjoyed it and went on soulseek and just grabbed the new one, it's a lost sale. And in a perfect world all of those fans would just go and buy the album, but the truth is that most people won't. And there lies the trouble. It's true that in some cases the lack of FM radio and even MTV has cost a lot of musicians money. I think that's frankly Metallica's problem more than anything. They don't get even a 1/100 of the play time on TV or Radio on a new album like they did when the black album came out. So of course, they point their fingers at filesharing, when it really comes down to a lot of different things that's troubling the "mainstream" music scene aside from filesharing. But I doubt anyone would ever adknowledge that it's quite easy to blame poor sales on the internet. It reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Marge asks Homer who is picking up the children from school and Homer answers "I don't know, the internet?" Back to where the thread started, it's a dilemma I encounter a lot. I collect old rare records like so many of us. Some records are so extremely rare that I'll probably never be able to find them, or if I do, I can't justify to my wife to cough up the dough for it. So, downloading the record doesn't sound like really a big deal. Boris and Sunn O might be this rare, I don't know anything about it. But even modern music has this problem. I know a lot of people put out extremely limited tour CDRs and what not. Rare releases kind of build up for eBay and Soulseek. But then in those cases, the artist doesn't make any money on it. Okay I'm rambling now. But filesharing can give new artists a boost, I'm sure of it. It's odd, but in some more mainstream genres, yes radio and even TV has killed the music industry. But let's face it most of us don't really make or even listen to much music that ever was on radio and TV. What's important is that if you find a new artist you like on soulseek, support them. Unfortunately most people don't. Man, I only got a few hours of sleep last night... Johan. > I do use soulseek to check out new music. It is by far the most > efficient way to search for and try out 20 + albums at a time. As I'm > very busy this is pretty crucial for me. > > So we are agreed I might find a couple of releases out of these I want > to buy. What about the other music I'm "ripping off"? Well to start > with, it's not good enough to buy, so it gets deleted, either > immediately of whenever I have a hard disc cleaning session. I really > don't have much need to keep around a bunch of music that I didn't > like all that much. > > I fail to see how an artist's sales are decreasing, when I listen to > their work and determine I don't want it. Nobody is being ripped off. > This is a sale that never would have occurred to begin with! Why is > this simple concept seemingly so difficult for some people to grasp? > > I'd suggest that a better way to think about things is to compare the > practice to radio. If I hear a new song on the radio, and I don't own > the album, am I "ripping off" an artist? No I'm not. If I don't like > the song much, I'll do nothing, but if I hear a song I like, I'm going > to go look for it. Even though I could sit around taping radio shows > instead of purchasing the song, if I really wanted. > > I'd also point out, many of those who download stuff and never > purchase any of it, are probably those who usually just can't afford > it. So maybe these people are indeed stealing. Even so, the artist has > not yet lost money, because this is a sale that in all likelihood > would not have ever occurred. > > Anyway I buy the releases I like, in part because I do want to support > artists. But note that beyond that, a digital download from beatport > is normally of higher quality, especially since I usually buy WAV > rather than mp3 for instance. So all ethics aside, there is, in fact, > good incentive for a discriminating consumer to buy legal digital > copies of files. > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 17:32:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40898-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58161 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 58149 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:32:39 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <a06210207c1946ae85292@[1.88.134.83]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <a0621020cc1947afc172b@[1.88.134.83]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Honestly no offense intended, but how can anyone ever assume how others feel or what they would do in any given situation. I buy as much as i can of whatever mp3's i have downloaded without paying. As much as my income allows. An absurd amount actually. If it is music that i like then i want the entire package, i must have it. The CD, the design, the whole shpeel. Its a collector mentality. Besides supporting the artist, its a hobby and passion. For me there is no comparison between an album of mp3's and a vinyl album/CD packaging. I want to be able to hold it, read it, inspect it, and appreciate it. Its all relative. aLEKs On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:13 AM, david.microsuoni wrote: > >> >> but the "stealing culture" has also the (maybe long term) advantages >> for labels and producers, that in some cases, as somebody reported, >> stealing has been proved to increase abums' sales. > > OK, i may agree with some other points of your mail, but this one i > think is totally false. > > i will never ever believe that someone who downloaded an album for > free is going to buy it afterwards on cd, but let's say that you > illegally download 100 albums of music, and then you buy a couple you > really liked, what about the other 98 artists you are ripping off?? > this is increasing sales?? > >> and I should be crazy, as I'm starting a label... > > let's hope with more creativity than labels use to have > nowadays....oopss... ;-) > > ciao, > > david. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 16:33:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40897-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29451 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:34:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 29435 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:34:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:33:18 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NjndFpvS2aEYB1ngJ7t8kj0lnLNrls22OvnMMiy0lVM/Oh01CZFZ+DgPECiyfwBIopsxpeNIrAYT4fMg8nSY6Fnqb2AaUnL/4+X3CS92EfLgIhJKwUs78tkmzWRz89ni1eT/4FAow4uhDZTipUDO3G8mPwArLStcmzm4rPwsepU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/30/06, david.microsuoni <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > OK, i may agree with some other points of your mail, but this one i think is totally false. > > i will never ever believe that someone who downloaded an album for free is going to buy it afterwards on cd, but let's say that you illegally download 100 albums of music, and then you buy a couple you really liked, what about the other 98 artists you are ripping off?? > this is increasing sales?? This shows a really negative and distrustful view of the consumer. From my immediate experience, your intuition on this is just plain wrong. Many of my friends use soulseek, as do I, and all of use buy as many records as we can afford. Many prefer vinyl, though I often buy digital releases from beatport. I do use soulseek to check out new music. It is by far the most efficient way to search for and try out 20 + albums at a time. As I'm very busy this is pretty crucial for me. So we are agreed I might find a couple of releases out of these I want to buy. What about the other music I'm "ripping off"? Well to start with, it's not good enough to buy, so it gets deleted, either immediately of whenever I have a hard disc cleaning session. I really don't have much need to keep around a bunch of music that I didn't like all that much. I fail to see how an artist's sales are decreasing, when I listen to their work and determine I don't want it. Nobody is being ripped off. This is a sale that never would have occurred to begin with! Why is this simple concept seemingly so difficult for some people to grasp? I'd suggest that a better way to think about things is to compare the practice to radio. If I hear a new song on the radio, and I don't own the album, am I "ripping off" an artist? No I'm not. If I don't like the song much, I'll do nothing, but if I hear a song I like, I'm going to go look for it. Even though I could sit around taping radio shows instead of purchasing the song, if I really wanted. I'd also point out, many of those who download stuff and never purchase any of it, are probably those who usually just can't afford it. So maybe these people are indeed stealing. Even so, the artist has not yet lost money, because this is a sale that in all likelihood would not have ever occurred. Anyway I buy the releases I like, in part because I do want to support artists. But note that beyond that, a digital download from beatport is normally of higher quality, especially since I usually buy WAV rather than mp3 for instance. So all ethics aside, there is, in fact, good incentive for a discriminating consumer to buy legal digital copies of files. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 15:10:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40896-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88655 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:11:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 88645 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:11:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:13:10 +0100 From: "david.microsuoni" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <a0621020cc1947afc172b@[1.88.134.83]> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0652-2, 30/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <a06210207c1946ae85292@[1.88.134.83]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <a0621020cc1947afc172b@[1.88.134.83]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >but the "stealing culture" has also the (maybe long term) advantages >for labels and producers, that in some cases, as somebody reported, >stealing has been proved to increase abums' sales. OK, i may agree with some other points of your mail, but this one i think is totally false. i will never ever believe that someone who downloaded an album for free is going to buy it afterwards on cd, but let's say that you illegally download 100 albums of music, and then you buy a couple you really liked, what about the other 98 artists you are ripping off?? this is increasing sales?? >and I should be crazy, as I'm starting a label... let's hope with more creativity than labels use to have nowadays....oopss... ;-) ciao, david. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 14:18:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40895-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59865 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:20:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 59855 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:20:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:18:43 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ImN0G1zJRN5O2MdU/pMA98jz/tgnzb7L9YSJ9Fb8VgqrGU4aAQED5YWYyq/OLGi15DjNCNLaH5P/8SzmYxP7oVWyQx6kAk2Y9bn5Mxx1EjGxETLrLpFTQgGx8jYojaJpOaLvfoVSlAIKq8HxIqLxvg4nIIategieh9BQcQ0mc8U= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi thank you for your thoughtful commentary. i too feel that the commodification of music is a primarily negative thing. while i won't deny the importance of money for basic survival [and beyond], thinking of music only in terms of it's economic value is missing all the good stuff. like being in sainte chapelle wearing a blindfold. On 11/30/06, Massimiliano Viel <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > and I should be crazy, as I'm starting a label... i think you have to be. ask kim! -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 12:37:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40894-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11104 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:38:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 11092 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:38:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:37:11 +0100 From: Massimiliano Viel <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a0621020cc1947afc172b@[1.88.134.83]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <a06210207c1946ae85292@[1.88.134.83]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >please, steal my music! > >if it's your own choice, about your own music, nothing to say, it's up to you. > >but you cannot decide for the work of everyone else... Yes of course, what I wanted to say is that new technology brings new way of... moving in the world. In my opinion, the only way to keep people from stealing music from internet is to close internet, toghether with all its benefits... Maybe history would have been different if the music maket had followed other directions in the past times... but I'm not so sure... it's not matter of market but of culture... the fact is that if music is a product, it goes under all the pros and cons of being a product... and music is such a valueless product (for most people) and so easy to steal... you see? looks like the solution is bringing all the market in internet, now... but mainly with the result of lowering the quality (I'm talking about mp3) of sound and of cancelling the album-concept to advantage of song-concept but the "stealing culture" has also the (maybe long term) advantages for labels and producers, that in some cases, as somebody reported, stealing has been proved to increase abums' sales. the fact is that stolen music helps music to spread... let some music to be listened by people who'd never listen to it if they have to pay.. stolen music helps to increase sensibility and knowledge, things that in the end result to adadvantage for (good) producers and labels... unfortunately stealers are still stealers... what a contradictory situation huh? and I should be crazy, as I'm starting a label... m -- M a s s i m i l i a n o V i e l http://www.maxviel.it http://www.ssim-el.net http://www.otolab.net http://www.sincronie.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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G. Thirlwell (Foetus) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx To: Philippe Petit <xxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Cc: annonces Wire <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx-xx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxxxxx_xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, idm - moderated <xxx-x@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, "xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ERBae32JdvZdTOcmrzbIeA)" Precedence: list X-BeenThere: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Delivered-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx X-Original-To: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-UUID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:59:55 -0500 References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=help> List-Id: microsound related announcements <microsound-announce.microsound.nexthop.net> Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ERBae32JdvZdTOcmrzbIeA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Mailsmith-91AE5668-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Mailsmith-91AE5668-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello a new track in our My Space player... http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness On it we have been very happy to welcome one of the most influential composer musician from the past 20 years, please go discover his music in case you haven't already... http://www.foetus.org http://www.myspace.com/foetus the track is named Asphodel and on it our line up is :l J. G. Thirlwell (vocals/lyrics) + Hervé Vincenti (guitars/keys) + Abdenor Natouri (double bass) + Andy Diagram (trumpet / electronics) + Karim Tobbi (guitar) + Perceval Bellone (saxophone) + Philippe Petit (laptop/turntables) + Lydwine Vanderhulst (piano) LYRICS (by J. G. Thirlwell) Its gone Like a dandelion seed Float On I've got everything I need From the pole into the hole From a dose you can't control We have contracts of depravity Hooray Were delirious today Please dont leave me alone I may just lay down for a while Please dont leave me alone You know a miss is as good as a mile Every molecule you shift Causes continental drift Be the hunter not the prey Kill to live another day And the swellings going down Nothing makes the world go round round round round round To go on..... To go on..... To go on..... To go on..... To go on..... To go on..... To go on..... Been turning cartwheels at the edge of reason I think that asphodel is out of season You better plant another seed today --Mailsmith-91AE5668-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">hello</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">a new track in our My Space player...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><A href="http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness">http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness</A><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On it we have been very happy to welcome one of the most influential composer musician from the past 20 years, please go discover his music in case you haven't already...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.foetus.org">http://www.foetus.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.myspace.com/foetus">http://www.myspace.com/foetus</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the track is named Asphodel and on it our line up is :l</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; ; font-family: American Typewriter; "><BR style="font-family: American Typewriter; "></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">J. G. Thirlwell (vocals/<FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">lyrics) + </FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><I>Hervé Vincenti (guitars/keys) + </I></SPAN></FONT>Abdenor Natouri (double bass) + <FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><I>Andy Diagram (trumpet / electronics) + Karim Tobbi (guitar) + Perceval Bellone (saxophone) + Philippe Petit (laptop/turntables) + Lydwine Vanderhulst (piano)</I></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; ; font-family: American Typewriter; "><BR style="font-family: American Typewriter; "></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">LYRICS </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(by J. G. Thirlwell)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Its gone</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Like a dandelion seed</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Float On</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've got everything I need</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From the pole into the hole</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From a dose you can't control</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We have</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">contracts of depravity</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hooray</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Were delirious today</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please dont leave me alone</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I may just lay down for a while</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please dont leave me alone</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You know a miss is as good as a mile</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Every molecule you shift</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Causes continental drift</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Be the hunter not the prey</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Kill to live another day</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And the swellings going down</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nothing makes the world go round round round round round</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To go on.....</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Been turning cartwheels at the edge of reason</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I think that asphodel is out of season</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You better plant another seed today</DIV></BODY></HTML> --Mailsmith-91AE5668-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78-- --Boundary_(ID_ERBae32JdvZdTOcmrzbIeA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Microsound-announce mailing list xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce --Boundary_(ID_ERBae32JdvZdTOcmrzbIeA)-- From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 12:02:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40893-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94967 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:04:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 94954 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:04:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:05:30 +0100 From: "david.microsuoni" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <a06210207c1946ae85292@[1.88.134.83]> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0652-0, 29/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <a06210207c1946ae85292@[1.88.134.83]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >please, steal my music! if it's your own choice, about your own music, nothing to say, it's up to you. but you cannot decide for the work of everyone else... david. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 11:34:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40892-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81916 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:35:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 81902 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:35:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:34:02 +0100 From: Massimiliano Viel <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06210207c1946ae85292@[1.88.134.83]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx please, steal my music! I mean, I might be a white fly, but I think considering music as a product to be bought & consumed as a kind of a modern perversion of the fact that music is basically something like the air... this is also the result of the fact the our "non tribal" civilisation is basically non-musical, so few people who are skilled in music try to convince other people who are hardly able to distinguish a pair of tones to entertain themselves (yes! music business is under the entertainment category!! weird huh?) by buying some product. awkey... I know this is (apparently) not the case of experimental-classical-microsound whatsoever and that we producers must make a living from something... so here is the crisis of music supports and a change in the music distribution/production paradigm... the question is at least open and complex... that's why I invite some of you to a less rigid position... it is no help for anybody to separate people into the good ones and the stealers, expecially when music thinking is not homogeneous in the (expecially borderline) music community and our "vision" of sound is so much exposed to "mass production ideology" contamination m -- M a s s i m i l i a n o V i e l http://www.maxviel.it http://www.ssim-el.net http://www.otolab.net http://www.sincronie.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 10:14:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40891-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28657 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:15:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 28641 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:15:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:14:24 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mathematical music reading list To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00d501c71468$51733ed0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sounds interesting! Can you add this to the Wiki? /Björn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benedikt Koehler" <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] mathematical music reading list btw there's a new work by media theorist Friedrich Kittler called "Musik und Mathematik - Band 1: Hellas. Teil 1: Aphrodite" (tr.: "Music and Mathematics - Volume 1: Hellas. Part 1: Aphrodite", Wilhelm Fink Verlag, München 2006) that just has been published. A 409 p book that's just the first part of the first of four volumes. Surely a wide field ... best benedikt On 11/30/06, Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-wiki/index.php/Mathematical_music_reading_list > > //p > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Thu Nov 30 09:36:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40889-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14285 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:37:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 14274 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:37:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:36:24 +0100 From: Benedikt Koehler <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mathematical music reading list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GN9upGXSiBTIwzTi8uWeZ8GfZ0nABLFrUSL3MloevCM6mhnKhGZ2sUCQjXLGLdceWlKD8WvPM2Qs8dz/2u+cFB4elRPDYP8EodP7kBWHiXj+serSDNeqRUrDscisqn+5RlEBXhmrUpp8A/Q1WgLby5B+OMIaQQik2yoHDKoRCqs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx btw there's a new work by media theorist Friedrich Kittler called "Musik und Mathematik - Band 1: Hellas. Teil 1: Aphrodite" (tr.: "Music and Mathematics - Volume 1: Hellas. Part 1: Aphrodite", Wilhelm Fink Verlag, München 2006) that just has been published. A 409 p book that's just the first part of the first of four volumes. Surely a wide field ... best benedikt On 11/30/06, Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-wiki/index.php/Mathematical_music_reading_list > > //p > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 04:52:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40888-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12342 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:53:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 12332 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:53:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:51:41 -0800 From: "p. hendricks" <xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AllofMP3.com theft trading was: Russian agrees to shut it down In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C193A35D.25C41%xx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] AllofMP3.com theft trading was: Russian agrees to shut it down Thread-index: AccUEhrPiOqTCR+URnaOWpiWmG5thgAKR8Qj X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/29/06 3:57 PM, "Skip Acuff" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: first if you guys are gonna fight CHANGE THE SUBJECT to fit the topic. > > http://news.com.com/Russia+agrees+to+shut+down+Allofmp3.com/2100-1027_3- > 6139350.html finally, yeah, saw a blurb on boing this morning. Do support this this is theft! they are taking your money and more of the artists. allofmp3 is stealing no matter how you look at it they are the scum, they are profiting of artists, where the artist receives nothing. you are scum to support them at all. the free trading of mp3s is another issue. it's more like tape trading, on a larger scale. But it's a really great way to find out about things and a no risk way to see if you like, especially for non-major artists. personally, it's wasteful and I can't afford to buy every CD released that i want, any advice one how to store thousands in jewel cases?) So i download a lot, and what i like I buy, if I can find it. And when I buy something, without having listened first and it's craps... well, that sucks, waste of time and money. If it's a worthy album, i'll buy it. I've bought most of my discs in the last couple years based on hearing them first, and thankfully avoided many others. A side note, mp3s bought or shared don't any value either, many CD's and Vinyl i've bought in the past now sell for hundreds of dollars. You have nothing with mp3s, not even a quality example, to me this is NOT stealing-- UNLESS YOU TRY AND SELL IT TO IDIOTS like allofmp3. Mp3s still sound like crap especially for any exciting music. As an artist, I encourage those to rip and share my discs. That's the best of find out about new artists. just my opinion. -phil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 02:23:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40887-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52088 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:24:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 52068 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:24:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:23:25 -0500 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mathematical music reading list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DhU9Ts7Y+LGzqdT7tXUfysmz53cWFuJVxjGiCLdt9Z4a3wsedzjtSqMPJ83uaJjSq4X+48h5daeQWwrvW20QA5EJTkT3ByutxC82KK7Vci/xaOHvY1YleZqVRv6G0kfKuyAsW+sCqWmK++kNNr5oBvLmL3RJa1mogQdRVFPI68o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-wiki/index.php/Mathematical_music_reading_list //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ On 11/29/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > this list was cut and pasted from post by Peter Castine to the Max/ > MSP list...I thought I'd post it here in case some people might find > it useful...maybe some industrious soul can start a microsound Wiki > page and we can add to it? > thanks > KIM > > > and set theory... > > > > Here is the recommended reading list from a seminar I gave on this > > a few years back. > > > > Lehrbücher > > Forte, Allen. The Structure of Atonal Music. New Haven, Conn.: Yale > > University Press, 1973. > > Morris, Robert D. Class Notes for Atonal Music Theory. Hanover, New > > Hamphsire: Forg Peak Music, 1991. > > Morris, Robert D. Composition with Pitch-Classes. New Haven: Yale > > University Press, 1987. > > Rahn, John. Basic Atonal Theory. New York: Schirmer Books, 1980. > > > > Weitere Literature > > Alphonce, Bo Harry. "The Invariance Matrix." Ph.D. dissertation, > > Yale University, 1974. > > Babbitt, Milton. "Set Strucuture as a Compositional Determinant." > > JMT 5, no. 2 (1961): 72-94. > > Babbitt, Milton. "Some Aspects of Twelve-Tone Composition." 12 > > (1955): 53-61. > > Babbitt, Milton. "Twelve-Tone Invariants as Compositional > > Determinants." MQ 46, no. 2 (1960): 246-59. > > Chrisman, Richard. "Identification and Correlation of Pitch-Sets." > > JMT 15, no. 1 and 2 (1971): 58-83. > > Clough, John. "Diatonic Interval Sets and Transformational > > Structures." PNM 18, no. 1&2 (1979): 461-482. > > Clough, John. "Pitch-Set Equivalence and Inclusion (A Comment on > > Forte's Theory of Set-Complexes)." JMT 9, no. 1 (1965): 163-71. > > Forte, Allen. "Sets and Non-Sets in Schoenberg's Atonal Music." PNM > > 11, no. 2 (1972): 43-64. > > Forte, Allen. "The structure of atonal music: Practical aspects of > > a computer-oriented research project." In Musicology and the > > Computer. Musicology 1966-2000: A Practical Program. Three > > Symposia. New York: American Musicological Society, 1970. > > Hanson, Howard. Harmonic Materials of Modern Music: Resources of > > the Tempered Scale. New York: Appleton-Century-Crofts, 1960. > > Lewin, David. "Forte's interval vector, my interval function, and > > Regener's common-note function." JMT 21, no. 2 (1977): 194-237. > > Lewin, David. Generalized Musical Intervals and Transformations. > > New Haven, Conn.: Yale University, 1987. > > Lewin, David. "Klumpenhouwer networks and some isographies that > > involve them." Spectrum 12, no. 1 (1990): 83-120. > > Lewin, David. "A response to a response: On pcset relatedness." PNM > > 18 (1979): 498-502. > > Martino, Donald. "The source-set and its aggregate formations." JMT > > 5, no. 2 (1961): 224-73. > > Perle, George. Serial Composition and Atonality: An Introduction to > > the Music of Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern. 3rd ed. Los Angeles, > > California: University of California Press, 1972. > > Rogers, John. "Some properties of non-duplicating rotational > > arrays." PNM 7, no. 1 (1968): 80-102. > > Starr, Daniel, and Robert D. Morris. "A general theory of > > combinatoriality and the aggregate." PNM 16, no. 1 (1977): 3-35. > > Wintle, Christopher. "Milton Babbitt's Semi-Simple Variations." PNM > > 14, no. 2 and 15:1 (1976): 111-54. > > > > > >> geometry > >> > > > > Dmittri Tymoczko's "Geometry of Music" article in Sciene 313 pp > > 72-74 (2006) and Guerino Mazzola's book "Die Geometrie der > > Musik" (in an expanded English edition published under the title > > 'Topos of Music'). > > > > Hope that's something to get you started. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 30 01:04:47 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40886-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12735 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:05:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 12724 invoked from network); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:05:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:04:35 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AllofMP3.com: Russian agrees to shut it down In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fovH9nZIZVleYZ54yx+Twg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JPR9i1nNTFab5Am1CsIaZDTjfs1g/sSICzFMVx+VH/OD4Qf0rysUKLCtVCVi6ipTJch4oKIC8sYuQxctASfy0wDmreyCUueN12NjRjw3ItIKn6DUCbdS5o9pfg5ozARl0xEik+yTrKmfQb8VFBUwZy5IGYHUAfTaS635yEXHhKM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fovH9nZIZVleYZ54yx+Twg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw this on Slashdot as well. It's kind of ironic, given today's earlier "discussion." ~Kyle On 11/29/06, Skip Acuff <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > http://news.com.com/Russia+agrees+to+shut+down+Allofmp3.com/2100-1027_3- > 6139350.html > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_fovH9nZIZVleYZ54yx+Twg)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 23:57:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40885-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Disposition-notification-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75631 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:58:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 75589 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:58:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:57:19 -0700 From: Skip Acuff <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] AllofMP3.com: Russian agrees to shut it down To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_h4j1WCloFDa2h5hrbAWfUA)" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: AllofMP3.com: Russian agrees to shut it down Thread-index: AccUEhrPiOqTCR+URnaOWpiWmG5thg== X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_h4j1WCloFDa2h5hrbAWfUA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.com.com/Russia+agrees+to+shut+down+Allofmp3.com/2100-1027_3- 6139350.html --Boundary_(ID_h4j1WCloFDa2h5hrbAWfUA)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 22:32:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40884-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31050 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:33:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 31040 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:33:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:32:08 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Why do you hate him so? A lot of the members on this list drop smart ass remarks. Its fun. Some kind of personal history of some sort between you two? Relax, not worth getting all hot and bothered by. unless you enjoy it, then by all means have at! aLEKs On Nov 29, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > > graham no one likes your DUMB slap stick remarks... > there is no baggage the real expense is that airlines charge mor eto > fly accross the contry then it would be to flay me to england 2 times > return... > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > >> the real expense is all the baggage;) >> >> On 29-Nov-06, at 4:24 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >> >>> I would love to play vancoiver island wish someone could afford to >>> fly me out... thanks for the offer... >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Robert Arnold wrote: >>>> Any time you're playing in the wilds of Vancouver Island, you're >>>> always welcome to a good bed, good food, good smoke, and disturbing >>>> conversation. Gotta bring your own booze, though - I can't afford >>>> it at the prices they charge here in Canadia. >>>> R. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > ============================ > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 22:11:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40883-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16509 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:12:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 16497 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:12:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx graham no one likes your DUMB slap stick remarks... there is no baggage the real expense is that airlines charge mor eto fly accross the contry then it would be to flay me to england 2 times return... On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > the real expense is all the baggage;) > > On 29-Nov-06, at 4:24 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > >> >> I would love to play vancoiver island wish someone could afford to fly me >> out... thanks for the offer... >> >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Robert Arnold wrote: >> >>> Any time you're playing in the wilds of Vancouver Island, you're always >>> welcome to a good bed, good food, good smoke, and disturbing conversation. >>> Gotta bring your own booze, though - I can't afford it at the prices they >>> charge here in Canadia. >>> >>> R. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 21:49:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40882-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98487 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:50:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 98477 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:50:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:49:09 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the real expense is all the baggage;) On 29-Nov-06, at 4:24 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > > I would love to play vancoiver island wish someone could afford to > fly me out... thanks for the offer... > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Robert Arnold wrote: > >> Any time you're playing in the wilds of Vancouver Island, you're >> always welcome to a good bed, good food, good smoke, and >> disturbing conversation. Gotta bring your own booze, though - I >> can't afford it at the prices they charge here in Canadia. >> >> R. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 21:22:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40881-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83499 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:23:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 83488 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:23:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mVPy5gL9tpDoAU1zkyyMJg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mVPy5gL9tpDoAU1zkyyMJg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would love to play vancoiver island wish someone could afford to fly me out... thanks for the offer... On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Robert Arnold wrote: > Any time you're playing in the wilds of Vancouver Island, you're always > welcome to a good bed, good food, good smoke, and disturbing conversation. > Gotta bring your own booze, though - I can't afford it at the prices they > charge here in Canadia. > > R. > >> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like >> soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on >> your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply becasue I >> dont want to pay for it... >> >> >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >> >>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>> >>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge >>> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>> >>> aLEKs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: >>> >>>> great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >>>> am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >>>> not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >>>> getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >>>> place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >>>> and have some more fun downloading music for free... >>>> >>>> does anybody even care about the artists involved? >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> ============================ >> www.phoniq.net >> releases available on: >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com >> publication: >> www.vagueterrain.net >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- > > > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit > us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --Boundary_(ID_mVPy5gL9tpDoAU1zkyyMJg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_mVPy5gL9tpDoAU1zkyyMJg)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 21:19:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40880-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81556 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:20:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 81534 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:20:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx check your inbox again resent AGAIN check your spam folder or your trash... I sent it to Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> this really does not need to be on list at all... so email me privately if you feel the need to reply... as for your observation if you dont like then dont give it!!! and I dont see musicans or promotires as ONLY contributing creatively TIME and MONEY go well beyond creativity!!! On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > i haven't received any private e-mails, neil. > > are you sure you have the right addresses? > maybe you mistyped them? > > my point was: > > there is a certain sense of entitlement i've discovered around musicians and > promoters who feel like they are exempted from financially contributing to a > marginal music scene because they are a creative part of it. > > i don't think i'm imagining this. > > g. > > > On 29-Nov-06, at 2:33 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > >> >> READ YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL!!! >> and hostile simply because your a fucking condesending asshole >> even this reply is fucking condisending!!! get your shit together and think >> about what you do before you do it!!!! >> >> >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> yikes. >>> that's wasn't very nice. >>> in fact, it was kind of mean spirited, actually. >>> i don't usually get called those sort of names unless i'm driving my car. >>> >>> why so hostile? you should check this out: >>> http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html >>> and this: http://www.spellcheck.net/ >>> >>> and i thought we were actually kind of getting along these days. >>> oh well. >>> >>> all the best, >>> >>> graham >>> >>> >>> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:59 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >>> >>>> what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! >>>> and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local toronto scene >>>> more then most people do asswipe!!! >>>> see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to be >>>> public >>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: >>>>> when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to support >>>>> local techno artists, neil? >>>>> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >>>>>> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like >>>>>> soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >>>>>> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on >>>>>> your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply >>>>>> becasue I dont want to pay for it... >>>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >>>>>>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>>>>>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge >>>>>>> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>>>>>> aLEKs >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> ============================ >> www.phoniq.net >> releases available on: >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com >> publication: >> www.vagueterrain.net >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 20:32:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40879-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49340 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:33:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 49329 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:33:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C193A197.8093%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: pFVaL_YVM1mSseAtPeUrDiuQadeuCacoI0P6ZlDu9GX45xRDRO7IcqVzePWkzsT07PC.a_p96RTPjlXUAgSA4ggn72P2ZJoPllBfHamFs3cjFK7uP1SA0nZ2pW79_mD9IRvnimUcCnI7h30- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You may not beable to afford a porsche but you can buy car kits to make your toyota look like one and there have been lawsuits over that exact issue. Actually ADOBE is very aware that their products are highly "downloaded" and susposedly they price it accordingly. Although I have never bought into the concept software makers would actually charge less if there was no piracy because no piracy does not mean that everyone would in fact buy the software. Less piracy does not insure more sales however lower prices might insure more sales. The reason why the argument is made for the use of the word stealing is that it is amore "concrete" subject that the dumb ole public can understand. Otherwise they see the intangible as somewhat freely available like the ether or radio waves. The ones who are making profits are the P2P developers who put banner ads in there software and they like radio stations should probably pay royalties for doing this. But I don't even want to think what would happen if the FCC or RIAA actually had say over how things were done on the internet. What if ISP had to pay royalties like the manufacturers of recordable CD's and tape media to offset losses due to piracy. As is the the whole net neutrality thing is rearing it's head to charge the users more for going online.. so me of that money it if happens should go to salve this issue. AD --- steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > i completely disagree. you're just looking for an excuse for your > actions. > i don't drive a porsche because i can't afford it (simple as that). > if > everybody would think like you there would be no ADOBE very fast. and > it's > so simple to argue that someone like mark knopfler and eric clapton > anyway > have enough money (so they sure won't mind). > > so basically you're saying that everybody that has more money then > you do > will not be supported in any way by you because your the poorer chap > (or > where do you put the line?) > > > Am 29.11.2006 20:33 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter > <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > > > I certainly agree with you in principle, but sometimes principle > has > > to take a back seat to poverty. I've had virtually no income for > the > > past 6 months or so, and the music I download is not by struggling > > artists but by musicians who have more money than they know what to > > do with (the last time I downloaded it was stuff by Eric Clapton > and > > Mark Knopfler). When I do have the funds to pay for CDs, that's > when > > I buy stuff from musicians who need the money. > > > > Same goes for software. I always pay for shareware by individual > > programmers for whom a few bucks matter, but Adobe won't go out of > > business if I get a boot of Photoshop, without which I can't do my > > own art. My ethics may be a bit slippery, but that's the way it is > > sometimes when you live on the fringes. > > > > Sorry if my attitude offends anyone. I promise you that my > principles > > will be higher as soon as I can afford them. > > > > R. > > > > > >> Yes, but from what I understand, none of this money that goes to > Allofmp3 > >> goes to the artists. I consider that a greater theft than just > trading good > >> tunes (since radio isn't doing its job nowadays). > >> > >> ~Kyle > >> > >> On 11/28/06, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >>> > >>> You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: > >>> > >>> > http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/ > >>> albref_14/mcatalog.shtml > >>> > >>> AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're > located > >>> in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important > >>> consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple > of > >>> years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem > >>> with credit cards through their payment site. > >>> > >>> R. > >>> > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 20:28:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40878-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45223 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:29:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 45206 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:29:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:26:56 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200705c1939ba14e30@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Any time you're playing in the wilds of Vancouver Island, you're always welcome to a good bed, good food, good smoke, and disturbing conversation. Gotta bring your own booze, though - I can't afford it at the prices they charge here in Canadia. R. >as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely >traded in places like soulseek I often feel the >exact same way ... >so next time im on tour in a town close to >anyone expect me to crash on your couches, eat >your food and drink your drinks all free simply >becasue I dont want to pay for it... > > > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: > >>Yeah, i feel the same way. >> >>Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle >>through my neighbors fridge because i want to >>eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >> >>aLEKs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: >> >>>great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >>>am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >>>not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >>>getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >>>place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >>>and have some more fun downloading music for free... >>> >>>does anybody even care about the artists involved? >>> >>> >>>Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >============================ >www.phoniq.net >releases available on: >www.noisefactoryrecords.com >publication: >www.vagueterrain.net > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 20:17:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40877-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37116 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:18:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 37104 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:18:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:16:46 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C193A197.8093%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200704c1939951c357@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193A197.8093%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well... >i completely disagree. you're just looking for an excuse for your actions. >i don't drive a porsche because i can't afford it (simple as that). Copping a few tunes doesn't quite equate with stealing a Porsche. I drive a beat up '85 Dodge pickup, and that's just fine. It gets me there. Never been tempted to steal a Porsche. A '52 Jag XK120 maybe, but never a Porsche. > if >everybody would think like you there would be no ADOBE very fast. The "If Everybody..." argument has always been the refuge of the righteous. >and it's >so simple to argue that someone like mark knopfler and eric clapton anyway >have enough money (so they sure won't mind). Would you rather I make the argument more complicated? > >so basically you're saying that everybody that has more money then you do >will not be supported in any way by you because your the poorer chap (or >where do you put the line?) Yep, that's pretty much the size of it. R. > > >Am 29.11.2006 20:33 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > >> I certainly agree with you in principle, but sometimes principle has >> to take a back seat to poverty. I've had virtually no income for the >> past 6 months or so, and the music I download is not by struggling >> artists but by musicians who have more money than they know what to >> do with (the last time I downloaded it was stuff by Eric Clapton and >> Mark Knopfler). When I do have the funds to pay for CDs, that's when >> I buy stuff from musicians who need the money. >> >> Same goes for software. I always pay for shareware by individual >> programmers for whom a few bucks matter, but Adobe won't go out of >> business if I get a boot of Photoshop, without which I can't do my >> own art. My ethics may be a bit slippery, but that's the way it is >> sometimes when you live on the fringes. >> >> Sorry if my attitude offends anyone. I promise you that my principles >> will be higher as soon as I can afford them. >> >> R. >> >> >>> Yes, but from what I understand, none of this money that goes to Allofmp3 >>> goes to the artists. I consider that a greater theft than just >>>trading good >>> tunes (since radio isn't doing its job nowadays). >>> >>> ~Kyle >>> >>> On 11/28/06, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/ >>>> albref_14/mcatalog.shtml >>>> >>>> AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located >>>> in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important >>>> consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of >>>> years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem >>>> with credit cards through their payment site. >>>> >>>> R. >>>> > >-- > >.:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 20:09:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40876-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30493 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:10:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 30474 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:10:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:08:58 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xeayLzupJAJ/iJIUNFCooQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Pwfq/5h32TLSpPszeUcY+D/5PHLChXc+DtFGvtwx9L6n9ceZEjFn0XVrLMzYW4yPmyDgMgRyVEEBUIsHRvOO8SPt9BN+UPgkA6EUAFb2TGMqatgvQAc8tobcqxCrZneQrwZbzOpfewAkiVMVmLC7infJuwz874FOTQg2nyHUq84= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_xeayLzupJAJ/iJIUNFCooQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, mp3 is the new FM radio. When's the last time you heard an interesting and stimulating artist on a (non-college or public) radio station or MTV? ~Kyle On 11/29/06, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > This is an excellent point. When I'm out on the net scrounging music, > I always find stuff I've never heard of and probably wouldn't if I > weren't. I play it for friends who can afford to buy music and if > they like it, they probably do. > > Recently I read an interesting article with some interesting > statistics on how "illegal" downloading actually increased the sales > of some artists' music - if I can find it, I'll forward it to the > list. > > R. > > > >As an atheist with rather loose morals, I could really care less if > >the general population thinks something is "wrong", "bad", or > >"stealing". > > > >As an artist, I'd rather people find out about me outside of Chicago, > >through illegal downloading, than to never hear me at all in places > >like Barcelona, London, and Berlin, as is the case right now. > >Hopefully, in the long term, people who check me out on soulseek will > >end up buying my stuff, or booking me for a show, or at least > >spreading the word, and guess what: I make MORE money, not LESS. So > >possibly, they are not stealing from me, but actually working to > >promote for me, and doing it for free. > > > >So the moral of the story is, go to beatport and buy my tracks ... ;-) > > > >~David > > > > -- > > > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would > permit us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_xeayLzupJAJ/iJIUNFCooQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 20:06:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40875-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27962 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:07:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 27945 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:07:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:05:22 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200703c19397885838@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is an excellent point. When I'm out on the net scrounging music, I always find stuff I've never heard of and probably wouldn't if I weren't. I play it for friends who can afford to buy music and if they like it, they probably do. Recently I read an interesting article with some interesting statistics on how "illegal" downloading actually increased the sales of some artists' music - if I can find it, I'll forward it to the list. R. >As an atheist with rather loose morals, I could really care less if >the general population thinks something is "wrong", "bad", or >"stealing". > >As an artist, I'd rather people find out about me outside of Chicago, >through illegal downloading, than to never hear me at all in places >like Barcelona, London, and Berlin, as is the case right now. >Hopefully, in the long term, people who check me out on soulseek will >end up buying my stuff, or booking me for a show, or at least >spreading the word, and guess what: I make MORE money, not LESS. So >possibly, they are not stealing from me, but actually working to >promote for me, and doing it for free. > >So the moral of the story is, go to beatport and buy my tracks ... ;-) > >~David > -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:49:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40874-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16550 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:50:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 16528 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:50:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:49:26 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i haven't received any private e-mails, neil. are you sure you have the right addresses? maybe you mistyped them? my point was: there is a certain sense of entitlement i've discovered around musicians and promoters who feel like they are exempted from financially contributing to a marginal music scene because they are a creative part of it. i don't think i'm imagining this. g. On 29-Nov-06, at 2:33 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > > READ YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL!!! > and hostile simply because your a fucking condesending asshole > even this reply is fucking condisending!!! get your shit together > and think about what you do before you do it!!!! > > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > >> yikes. >> that's wasn't very nice. >> in fact, it was kind of mean spirited, actually. >> i don't usually get called those sort of names unless i'm driving >> my car. >> >> why so hostile? you should check this out: http://www.apa.org/ >> topics/controlanger.html >> and this: http://www.spellcheck.net/ >> >> and i thought we were actually kind of getting along these days. >> oh well. >> >> all the best, >> >> graham >> >> >> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:59 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >> >>> what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! >>> and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local >>> toronto scene more then most people do asswipe!!! >>> see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to >>> be public >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: >>>> when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to >>>> support local techno artists, neil? >>>> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >>>>> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in >>>>> places like soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >>>>> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to >>>>> crash on your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all >>>>> free simply becasue I dont want to pay for it... >>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >>>>>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>>>>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >>>>>> fridge because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>>>>> aLEKs >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > ============================ > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:45:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40873-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13183 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:45:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 13123 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:45:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hey david feel free have me down to play any old time I would be happy to not fall sleep at any after party... (new full length is out in feb 07 on noise factory) ;) neil.. On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, David Powers wrote: > On 11/29/06, Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Well Neil, I don't know how they do it in Toronto, but in Chicago we > always treat our visiting guests well, and free couches, drinks, and > meals are par for the course. Seriously. > > There is a catch - we expect you to hang out at the afterparty at > least until sunrise tagteaming and partying... (The only one who > totally failed on this count in recent memory was sleeparchive; my > friend has a hilarious picture of him sleeping on the couch, which, > given his stage name, is hilarious. ) > > ;-) > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:43:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40872-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11176 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:44:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 11161 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:44:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:44:07 +0100 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <p06200701c193896d09e0@[192.168.0.2]> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C193A197.8093%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i completely disagree. you're just looking for an excuse for your actions. i don't drive a porsche because i can't afford it (simple as that). if everybody would think like you there would be no ADOBE very fast. and it's so simple to argue that someone like mark knopfler and eric clapton anyway have enough money (so they sure won't mind). so basically you're saying that everybody that has more money then you do will not be supported in any way by you because your the poorer chap (or where do you put the line?) Am 29.11.2006 20:33 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > I certainly agree with you in principle, but sometimes principle has > to take a back seat to poverty. I've had virtually no income for the > past 6 months or so, and the music I download is not by struggling > artists but by musicians who have more money than they know what to > do with (the last time I downloaded it was stuff by Eric Clapton and > Mark Knopfler). When I do have the funds to pay for CDs, that's when > I buy stuff from musicians who need the money. > > Same goes for software. I always pay for shareware by individual > programmers for whom a few bucks matter, but Adobe won't go out of > business if I get a boot of Photoshop, without which I can't do my > own art. My ethics may be a bit slippery, but that's the way it is > sometimes when you live on the fringes. > > Sorry if my attitude offends anyone. I promise you that my principles > will be higher as soon as I can afford them. > > R. > > >> Yes, but from what I understand, none of this money that goes to Allofmp3 >> goes to the artists. I consider that a greater theft than just trading good >> tunes (since radio isn't doing its job nowadays). >> >> ~Kyle >> >> On 11/28/06, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: >>> >>> http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/ >>> albref_14/mcatalog.shtml >>> >>> AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located >>> in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important >>> consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of >>> years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem >>> with credit cards through their payment site. >>> >>> R. >>> -- ..:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:37:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40871-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5799 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:37:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 5767 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:37:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:37:43 +0100 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C193A017.808F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx and all i wanted 24 hours ago is to ask if some of you friendly people know a place where i maybe still can buy a limited cd release. oh well... amazing where a simple question like that can lead to... love ya all, ralph. Am 29.11.2006 20:33 Uhr schrieb "Neil Wiernik" unter <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>: > > READ YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL!!! > and hostile simply because your a fucking condesending asshole > even this reply is fucking condisending!!! get your shit together and > think about what you do before you do it!!!! > > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > >> yikes. >> that's wasn't very nice. >> in fact, it was kind of mean spirited, actually. >> i don't usually get called those sort of names unless i'm driving my car. >> >> why so hostile? you should check this out: >> http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html >> and this: http://www.spellcheck.net/ >> >> and i thought we were actually kind of getting along these days. >> oh well. >> >> all the best, >> >> graham >> >> >> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:59 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! >>> and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local toronto scene >>> more then most people do asswipe!!! >>> see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to be public >>> >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: >>> >>>> when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to support >>>> local techno artists, neil? >>>> >>>> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >>>> >>>>> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like >>>>> soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >>>>> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on >>>>> your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply becasue >>>>> I dont want to pay for it... >>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >>>>>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>>>>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge >>>>>> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>>>>> aLEKs >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > ============================ > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- ..:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:37:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40870-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5331 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:37:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 5279 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:37:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:36:21 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] reminder! To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx all calls for projects, job opportunities, promotional postings etc etc belong on the microsound announce list – not this one! please read the microsound web page!: > you can also subscribe to the microsound-announce list that holds > show announcements, music releases, podcasts and anything that's > not aesthetic discussion. AND NO CROSS-POSTING!! WITH ONE EXCEPTION: GRAHAM CAN CROSS-DRESS! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:35:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40869-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2103 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:36:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 2091 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:36:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:33:47 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200701c193896d09e0@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I certainly agree with you in principle, but sometimes principle has to take a back seat to poverty. I've had virtually no income for the past 6 months or so, and the music I download is not by struggling artists but by musicians who have more money than they know what to do with (the last time I downloaded it was stuff by Eric Clapton and Mark Knopfler). When I do have the funds to pay for CDs, that's when I buy stuff from musicians who need the money. Same goes for software. I always pay for shareware by individual programmers for whom a few bucks matter, but Adobe won't go out of business if I get a boot of Photoshop, without which I can't do my own art. My ethics may be a bit slippery, but that's the way it is sometimes when you live on the fringes. Sorry if my attitude offends anyone. I promise you that my principles will be higher as soon as I can afford them. R. >Yes, but from what I understand, none of this money that goes to Allofmp3 >goes to the artists. I consider that a greater theft than just trading good >tunes (since radio isn't doing its job nowadays). > >~Kyle > >On 11/28/06, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >>You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: >> >>http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/albref_14/mcatalog.shtml >> >>AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located >>in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important >>consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of >>years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem >>with credit cards through their payment site. >> >>R. >> -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:33:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40868-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 496 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:34:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 484 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:34:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:33:23 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dPpEZ5IpAe+3OYFAV4SABSA52IHo1IpprmxIuVlzrmZB65Xe9hS8bKu0rIj56fXT6d1vYA4aWH535bGEVFAHnca+J4egOy+swp2DLLcvwbh59M288lW35P/4Ew6QL9CffVZWY5O64EX6aFoCk9viDBXzGb6YEgwfT/YuWdwql1Q= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree. All I was really trying to say, is that the refrigerator analogy is terrible, because it's NOT like taking food from your neighbor's fridge. It might be stealing, but it's different in kind... Regardless of your views, intellectual property should not be considered the same as tangible physical property, it's just not. Mixing up the two only confuses an already muddled issue. ~David On 11/29/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > That's not how copyright infringements work.. the penalties are based > on loss of revenue. If you are about to release a new album and > somebody dumps mp3's of it all the internet then theoretically less > people will buy your album because they can just download it. > > Now if you album is out of print and you relaly have no intention of > re-releasing it then... it would be harder to argue profit loss. > > It's more like stealing profit potential... > > AD > > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, due to > > the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then they no > > longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > > not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your metaphor > > just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the > > ethics > > of the situation. > > > > ~David > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:31:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40867-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97457 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:32:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 97446 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:32:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:33:09 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx READ YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL!!! and hostile simply because your a fucking condesending asshole even this reply is fucking condisending!!! get your shit together and think about what you do before you do it!!!! On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > yikes. > that's wasn't very nice. > in fact, it was kind of mean spirited, actually. > i don't usually get called those sort of names unless i'm driving my car. > > why so hostile? you should check this out: > http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html > and this: http://www.spellcheck.net/ > > and i thought we were actually kind of getting along these days. > oh well. > > all the best, > > graham > > > On 29-Nov-06, at 1:59 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > >> >> >> what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! >> and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local toronto scene >> more then most people do asswipe!!! >> see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to be public >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to support >>> local techno artists, neil? >>> >>> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >>> >>>> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like >>>> soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >>>> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on >>>> your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply becasue >>>> I dont want to pay for it... >>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >>>>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>>>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge >>>>> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>>>> aLEKs > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:30:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40866-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95130 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:31:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 95100 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:31:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:30:01 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ie9U69iNCMFgl3cWL81mrpnING0XKpwSc2zzIRHKa0v9jxLwRO7Ejb8BMXQpLJXGhZqM8Qa86i1+Igba8SlfgAAgt5qek56FF59UxseCceEsREbUK4VhDiwSqeEFQnx7/FkIPfFqcLBFUWwMZrTSHU+lVlxzvq0f1KbX63zt8q8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Steal (ie free stuff): www.cyborgk.com www.myspace.com/cyborgk Buy: www.beatport.com just search for "Cyborg K", new ep is called "Transmission from Sirius B" On 11/29/06, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > from where can we steal and/or buy your music? links please! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:28:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40865-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93324 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:29:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 93312 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:29:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:28:21 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BNuwRW+zkX7sJG5IYi0taDCoaBij8RycJJUw4pb1rouEdjvkKE0shWDRXXRa5PD76R2czKnLpdyyPzY3wGvmTEIbFgvJlwtEzjvd6igF2EwHa63Ab/UmDLh2EgczMq70V6vu18bGcHluoiMyhzMgfrgb6qCRRZ8GNox8KIZsIFU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/29/06, Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like > soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... > so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on > your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply becasue > I dont want to pay for it... Well Neil, I don't know how they do it in Toronto, but in Chicago we always treat our visiting guests well, and free couches, drinks, and meals are par for the course. Seriously. There is a catch - we expect you to hang out at the afterparty at least until sunrise tagteaming and partying... (The only one who totally failed on this count in recent memory was sleeparchive; my friend has a hilarious picture of him sleeping on the couch, which, given his stage name, is hilarious. ) ;-) ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:20:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40864-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88250 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:21:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 88235 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:21:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:20:11 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yikes. that's wasn't very nice. in fact, it was kind of mean spirited, actually. i don't usually get called those sort of names unless i'm driving my car. why so hostile? you should check this out: http://www.apa.org/topics/ controlanger.html and this: http://www.spellcheck.net/ and i thought we were actually kind of getting along these days. oh well. all the best, graham On 29-Nov-06, at 1:59 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > > > what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! > and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local toronto > scene more then most people do asswipe!!! > see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to > be public > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > >> when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to >> support local techno artists, neil? >> >> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >> >>> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places >>> like soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >>> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to >>> crash on your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all >>> free simply becasue I dont want to pay for it... >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >>>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >>>> fridge because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>>> aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:17:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40863-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85252 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:18:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 85242 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:18:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: uN8Y9RAVM1nxm0n7fL.ZjNal1gN9Ah04grWje3f6v9EVABoNqNQqmZ3tM6FYdoo3LNcghsvpXr4PCJBIl83TlmHHK3EFQ0l8svLLS0h_YmBVKZGEisAH50bzfJ4_5WhHqb_VJRVe9XrJ8Ds- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx That's not how copyright infringements work.. the penalties are based on loss of revenue. If you are about to release a new album and somebody dumps mp3's of it all the internet then theoretically less people will buy your album because they can just download it. Now if you album is out of print and you relaly have no intention of re-releasing it then... it would be harder to argue profit loss. It's more like stealing profit potential... AD --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, due to > the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then they no > longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your metaphor > just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the > ethics > of the situation. > > ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 19:02:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40862-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74666 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:03:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 74656 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:03:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:02:18 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wow, somebody woke up on the wrong side of the rock this morning!(great ad campaign) aLEKs On Nov 29, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > > > what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! > and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local toronto > scene more then most people do asswipe!!! > see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to be > public > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > >> when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to support >> local techno artists, neil? >> >> On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: >> >>> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places >>> like soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >>> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash >>> on your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply >>> becasue I dont want to pay for it... >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >>>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >>>> fridge because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>>> aLEKs >>>> On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: >>>>> great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >>>>> am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >>>>> not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >>>>> getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >>>>> place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >>>>> and have some more fun downloading music for free... >>>>> does anybody even care about the artists involved? >>>>> Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter >>>>> <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> ============================ >>> www.phoniq.net >>> releases available on: >>> www.noisefactoryrecords.com >>> publication: >>> www.vagueterrain.net >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > ============================ > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:58:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40861-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70734 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:59:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 70709 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:59:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tqpBXUukjfzx4a0TEIOhHg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_tqpBXUukjfzx4a0TEIOhHg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit what are you talking about graham??? your a compleat fool!!!! and a huge mother fucking LOOSER!!!! as I support the local toronto scene more then most people do asswipe!!! see your private email box for more on this no reason for this to be public On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Graham Miller wrote: > when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to support local > techno artists, neil? > > On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > >> >> >> as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like >> soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... >> so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on >> your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply becasue I >> dont want to pay for it... >> >> >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: >> >>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>> >>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge >>> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>> >>> aLEKs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: >>> >>>> great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >>>> am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >>>> not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >>>> getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >>>> place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >>>> and have some more fun downloading music for free... >>>> does anybody even care about the artists involved? >>>> Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> ============================ >> www.phoniq.net >> releases available on: >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com >> publication: >> www.vagueterrain.net >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --Boundary_(ID_tqpBXUukjfzx4a0TEIOhHg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_tqpBXUukjfzx4a0TEIOhHg)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:49:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40860-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66198 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:50:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 66182 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:50:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:49:35 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx when was the last time you payed cover or full price cover to support local techno artists, neil? On 29-Nov-06, at 1:38 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote: > > > as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places > like soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... > so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to > crash on your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free > simply becasue I dont want to pay for it... > > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Yeah, i feel the same way. >> >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >> fridge because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: >> >>> great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >>> am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >>> not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >>> getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >>> place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >>> and have some more fun downloading music for free... >>> does anybody even care about the artists involved? >>> Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter >>> <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > ============================ > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:37:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40859-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58848 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:38:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 58836 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:38:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oJVLC4fxtw157q/E0xJLRg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_oJVLC4fxtw157q/E0xJLRg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit as an artist who knows his stuff is being freely traded in places like soulseek I often feel the exact same way ... so next time im on tour in a town close to anyone expect me to crash on your couches, eat your food and drink your drinks all free simply becasue I dont want to pay for it... On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, aleks vasic wrote: > Yeah, i feel the same way. > > Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge because > i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. > > aLEKs > > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: > >> great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >> am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >> not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >> getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >> place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >> and have some more fun downloading music for free... >> >> does anybody even care about the artists involved? >> >> >> Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --Boundary_(ID_oJVLC4fxtw157q/E0xJLRg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_oJVLC4fxtw157q/E0xJLRg)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:32:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40858-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54901 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:33:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 54891 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:33:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:31:59 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx from where can we steal and/or buy your music? links please! On 29-Nov-06, at 1:15 PM, David Powers wrote: > As an atheist with rather loose morals, I could really care less if > the general population thinks something is "wrong", "bad", or > "stealing". > > As an artist, I'd rather people find out about me outside of Chicago, > through illegal downloading, than to never hear me at all in places > like Barcelona, London, and Berlin, as is the case right now. > Hopefully, in the long term, people who check me out on soulseek will > end up buying my stuff, or booking me for a show, or at least > spreading the word, and guess what: I make MORE money, not LESS. So > possibly, they are not stealing from me, but actually working to > promote for me, and doing it for free. > > So the moral of the story is, go to beatport and buy my tracks ... ;-) > > ~David > > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> No i disagree. Its semantics. You take someone else's property >> regardless of whether it is art, music, food, and idea. Your >> stealing >> period. Music created by an individual is their property, not yours. >> Downloading it illegally is stealing. Actually your logic is flawed. >> When you download an artist's song illegally, you deprive them of the >> profit that they charge for their hard work. Wether it be a penny or >> whatever. >> >> Rolls twenty sided die >> >> Critical strike! >> >> Fuck yeah baby im a D&D god! >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >> > Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, >> due to >> > the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then >> they no >> > longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it >> does >> > not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your >> metaphor >> > just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the >> ethics >> > of the situation. >> > >> > ~David >> > >> > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Huh? Magic? >> >> >> >> Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to >> >> stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> >> >> > Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no >> matter >> >> > how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in >> the >> >> > fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity- >> based >> >> > logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists >> >> > artificially. >> >> > >> >> > ~David >> >> > >> >> > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> >> >> Yeah, i feel the same way. >> >> >> >> >> >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >> >> fridge >> >> >> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >> >> >> >> >> >> aLEKs >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:30:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40857-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52976 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:31:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 52957 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:31:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:30:01 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > As an atheist with rather loose morals, I could really care less if > the general population thinks something is "wrong", "bad", or > "stealing". Ok, but not everyone will share you opinion, i do actually, but metallica sure does not! :) > As an artist, I'd rather people find out about me outside of Chicago, > through illegal downloading, than to never hear me at all in places > like Barcelona, London, and Berlin, as is the case right now. > Hopefully, in the long term, people who check me out on soulseek will > end up buying my stuff, or booking me for a show, or at least > spreading the word, and guess what: I make MORE money, not LESS. So > possibly, they are not stealing from me, but actually working to > promote for me, and doing it for free. > > So the moral of the story is, go to beatport and buy my tracks ... ;-) > > ~David > Agreed. But that is your situation. I know its a common one but it is definitely a relative/point of reference thing. I think for most people on this site your example would be a benefit. Once someone is established, its a different story altogether. Have i downloaded MP3's illegally? Sure i have. But i do buy as much music as i can afford. The collectors mentality is some thing i truly enjoy. I think there is a big difference between having a cd release on mp3 and having the real mcoy, packaging an all. unfortunately there is no way i could ever really afford all of the music that i would want to own. aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:16:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40856-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44067 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:17:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 44038 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:17:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:15:52 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R2MZ8BZboKmkzUpxhhsvQztp8MGwD1ugl8ytITDgdWst7/WmGnp/Wrf9bu0iUQ5lvDksprZsvRPy0sewHMenRW6pe5AHO179MMAPyTMHsUCXIAx7vND+L7RXNeqLu/FGgRQY9Tc6kti9p+B4cjW7Pkelgxk3HCL82tFwqP/ONz8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx As an atheist with rather loose morals, I could really care less if the general population thinks something is "wrong", "bad", or "stealing". As an artist, I'd rather people find out about me outside of Chicago, through illegal downloading, than to never hear me at all in places like Barcelona, London, and Berlin, as is the case right now. Hopefully, in the long term, people who check me out on soulseek will end up buying my stuff, or booking me for a show, or at least spreading the word, and guess what: I make MORE money, not LESS. So possibly, they are not stealing from me, but actually working to promote for me, and doing it for free. So the moral of the story is, go to beatport and buy my tracks ... ;-) ~David On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > No i disagree. Its semantics. You take someone else's property > regardless of whether it is art, music, food, and idea. Your stealing > period. Music created by an individual is their property, not yours. > Downloading it illegally is stealing. Actually your logic is flawed. > When you download an artist's song illegally, you deprive them of the > profit that they charge for their hard work. Wether it be a penny or > whatever. > > Rolls twenty sided die > > Critical strike! > > Fuck yeah baby im a D&D god! > > aLEKs > > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, due to > > the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then they no > > longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > > not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your metaphor > > just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the ethics > > of the situation. > > > > ~David > > > > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Huh? Magic? > >> > >> Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to > >> stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. > >> > > > >> > >> aLEKs > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: > >> > >> > Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter > >> > how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the > >> > fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based > >> > logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists > >> > artificially. > >> > > >> > ~David > >> > > >> > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> >> Yeah, i feel the same way. > >> >> > >> >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors > >> fridge > >> >> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. > >> >> > >> >> aLEKs > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:12:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40855-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41903 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:13:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 41893 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:13:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:12:23 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_61jI35c8FL/OFI28cq961g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qYJ1e37MOpij7BIzhSKWnOyQPTsG7kDQN1EeDRPAzNPXsngTg1Ugsa8ITBJ+OiE+grQPTX8PFnERsdQZfaYnNIpiLQk1XcXHmggHKQJLHKSsKEKFgecC2UwIQYJsIOJwoZ77MOIyQU0NWbcxeBgGlaaQfHDqO005q7RG9hzj53w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_61jI35c8FL/OFI28cq961g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here here! Rah rah! Amen! ~Kyle On 11/29/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Look, I'm an artist, I've got stuff on beatport right now... > > Would I prefer that people buy from beatport rather than illegally > file share? Of course. > > But... Would I be willing to accept some stealing, if it ends up > getting my more notoriety, shows, and in the end, higher sales? > Definitely! I use soulseek to check out new artists, and I can assure > you that I've bought releases from people I had no idea about, because > I listened first to a bootleg. > > Anyway, I'd make more money if I got rid of the label, distributor, > and shop, and people just bought direct from me. Which, since my label > has done ZERO promotion and I'm stuck doing everything myself, is > starting to sound like a better idea every day. > > Finally, we are talking about a situation where a release is only > available for ridiculous prices on ebay. I say it's up to the > individual to decide, if they want to use soulseek in such a case. > Everyone has a different ethical perspective. I think it's ridiculous > to try to moralize and tell people how bad thieves they are! Rational > adults should way the various angles and make their own decisions. > Everyone does not see it in the same way, and why should they? > > Anyway, in answer to the original thread question, I'd recommend the > person looking for the release to try just contacting the artist > directly. If they are like me in any way, they'd happily provide > something and you can donate directly to them. Or use soulseek and > send them a check... > > ~David > > On 11/29/06, david.microsuoni <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > > you steal money to the artist, the label, the producer, the distributor, > the shop.... > > > > >longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > > >not deprive the original owner of their possession. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_61jI35c8FL/OFI28cq961g)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 18:10:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40854-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40315 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:11:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 40289 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:11:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:10:14 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tYI4GBu93pwNOezOOsDqvYsxMRRFnlS0miOXri1/UHib+0VncPRKfU2zk5nJmhxIKwkdVUSvfZB32v6Von7xIs0L/nvo6OVHJoA9ZkNHG5xJjbp4X60n/OtYgjNINLdxO7c6j9p9Cg/mWXq+8mlysaXdvEVvDpKXQ8eV7/i+ZjA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Look, I'm an artist, I've got stuff on beatport right now... Would I prefer that people buy from beatport rather than illegally file share? Of course. But... Would I be willing to accept some stealing, if it ends up getting my more notoriety, shows, and in the end, higher sales? Definitely! I use soulseek to check out new artists, and I can assure you that I've bought releases from people I had no idea about, because I listened first to a bootleg. Anyway, I'd make more money if I got rid of the label, distributor, and shop, and people just bought direct from me. Which, since my label has done ZERO promotion and I'm stuck doing everything myself, is starting to sound like a better idea every day. Finally, we are talking about a situation where a release is only available for ridiculous prices on ebay. I say it's up to the individual to decide, if they want to use soulseek in such a case. Everyone has a different ethical perspective. I think it's ridiculous to try to moralize and tell people how bad thieves they are! Rational adults should way the various angles and make their own decisions. Everyone does not see it in the same way, and why should they? Anyway, in answer to the original thread question, I'd recommend the person looking for the release to try just contacting the artist directly. If they are like me in any way, they'd happily provide something and you can donate directly to them. Or use soulseek and send them a check... ~David On 11/29/06, david.microsuoni <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > you steal money to the artist, the label, the producer, the distributor, the shop.... > > >longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > >not deprive the original owner of their possession. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:54:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40853-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31428 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:54:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 31407 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:54:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:53:29 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MgTqmHrJmT4baInzzSzMhg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DiZ2ce5RjsXJPJH3H8RsJjgk+ewyJcQpo6mHLPlnpt6iLB1WPfMnQUNIOwJxsdc/jM7eSFfT2PtcB5Maxw0bfYv5eFim7PeAsMNJgGv6dwGTErKSQS5P1iyvTqijcpPpA8Yw4qSC4xqI8V5urjsDMtII7LNVtBJqfA048gWdUN4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_MgTqmHrJmT4baInzzSzMhg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about if you buy a used cd? ~Kyle On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > > No i disagree. Its semantics. You take someone else's property > regardless of whether it is art, music, food, and idea. Your stealing > period. Music created by an individual is their property, not yours. > Downloading it illegally is stealing. Actually your logic is flawed. > When you download an artist's song illegally, you deprive them of the > profit that they charge for their hard work. Wether it be a penny or > whatever. > > Rolls twenty sided die > > Critical strike! > > Fuck yeah baby im a D&D god! > > aLEKs > > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, due to > > the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then they no > > longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > > not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your metaphor > > just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the ethics > > of the situation. > > > > ~David > > > > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Huh? Magic? > >> > >> Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to > >> stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. > >> > > > >> > >> aLEKs > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: > >> > >> > Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter > >> > how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the > >> > fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based > >> > logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists > >> > artificially. > >> > > >> > ~David > >> > > >> > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> >> Yeah, i feel the same way. > >> >> > >> >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors > >> fridge > >> >> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. > >> >> > >> >> aLEKs > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_MgTqmHrJmT4baInzzSzMhg)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:50:25 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40849-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26258 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 26245 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:53:10 +0100 From: "david.microsuoni" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0651-2, 28/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx you steal money to the artist, the label, the producer, the distributor, the shop.... >longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does >not deprive the original owner of their possession. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:53:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40852-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30003 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:53:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 29988 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:53:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:52:24 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oh its way the farg up there. I stole it from the frost giant in my last campaign. Virtually impregnable, but at the cost of constantly freezing my nuts off as well as massive shrinkage... aLEKs On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > what's your armour class, baby? > > On 29-Nov-06, at 11:58 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Huh? Magic? >> >> Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to >> stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:51:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40851-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27534 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:52:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 27520 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:52:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:50:42 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No i disagree. Its semantics. You take someone else's property regardless of whether it is art, music, food, and idea. Your stealing period. Music created by an individual is their property, not yours. Downloading it illegally is stealing. Actually your logic is flawed. When you download an artist's song illegally, you deprive them of the profit that they charge for their hard work. Wether it be a penny or whatever. Rolls twenty sided die Critical strike! Fuck yeah baby im a D&D god! aLEKs On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, David Powers wrote: > Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, due to > the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then they no > longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does > not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your metaphor > just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the ethics > of the situation. > > ~David > > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> Huh? Magic? >> >> Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to >> stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. >> > >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> > Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter >> > how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the >> > fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based >> > logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists >> > artificially. >> > >> > ~David >> > >> > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Yeah, i feel the same way. >> >> >> >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >> fridge >> >> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >> >> >> >> aLEKs >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:50:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40850-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26472 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 26446 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:50:13 +0100 From: peter <xx@xxxxxxx.xxxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx some music isn't quite itself on mp3, indeed. it first occured to me too while listening to Ikeda. + http://www.formatt.info On 29-nov-06, at 18:49, david.microsuoni wrote: >>> i started to keep cds in the car box and buy hard disk for mp3s... > > but are you really happy with mp3 quality? > > i CAN hear the difference, no matter what they want us believe, i > couldn't listen to Ikeda or Lucier on mp3... > it's not their music, it's a replica. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:46:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40848-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23815 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:48:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 23778 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:47:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:49:34 +0100 From: "david.microsuoni" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2Toswn4for8WjPHa4d2hQA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! 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Wed Nov 29 17:45:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40847-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22433 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:46:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 22417 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:46:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:45:23 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mmPpJ6UCSF8K5HoEDBvbE1sGmxtwQE1RCEzu3cc/7MSJSgIDHRzvyHM/+wpIP1abQ1FQGrSMn1XiLYaGKUOVZxvnMK9AoxEXNcoHzyEZ9evQnve+vNp6Wqer3oN2MwE/KmjrCbb6VDMxSv6++8UxSi5gs6S+OuCTfWhvr2R6T4E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, but isn't the primary reason that "stealing" is so bad, due to the fact that if you take someone else's food/car/cash, then they no longer have it. But in this case: If you make a digital copy, it does not deprive the original owner of their possession. So your metaphor just doesn't work. You need a different approach to discuss the ethics of the situation. ~David On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Huh? Magic? > > Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to > stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. > > > aLEKs > > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: > > > Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter > > how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the > > fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based > > logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists > > artificially. > > > > ~David > > > > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Yeah, i feel the same way. > >> > >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge > >> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. > >> > >> aLEKs > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 17:24:25 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40846-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9953 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:25:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 9940 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:25:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:24:10 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what's your armour class, baby? On 29-Nov-06, at 11:58 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > Huh? Magic? > > Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to stealing/ > theft/not paying for something youwant. > > Your right though. My example should have included magic and a 20 > sided D&D die. > > Roll die.. > > An 18! Yes the new Stribord CD. Hot damn!:) > > aLEKs > > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: > >> Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter >> how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the >> fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based >> logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists >> artificially. >> >> ~David >> >> On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >>> Yeah, i feel the same way. >>> >>> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors >>> fridge >>> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >>> >>> aLEKs >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 16:58:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40845-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94379 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:59:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 94369 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:59:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:58:07 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Huh? Magic? Granted its a quick example but its just a reference to stealing/theft/not paying for something youwant. Your right though. My example should have included magic and a 20 sided D&D die. Roll die.. An 18! Yes the new Stribord CD. Hot damn!:) aLEKs On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:51 AM, David Powers wrote: > Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter > how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the > fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based > logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists > artificially. > > ~David > > On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> Yeah, i feel the same way. >> >> Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge >> because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. >> >> aLEKs > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 16:51:53 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40844-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89539 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:52:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 89525 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:52:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:51:32 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MVjB0BjwGkAMAUoBcqbXFqTzvhjB1NZlEgHQ1YqXTZZzevJwj28ja8232JCqxXcRlsY7/GYGmhlwWSeUtsMLSFTdAZQGmOXD/reRJWgqeHpupMs53W16b+HyXSCRSXzUBTjZpbbOmzzuuvTE3gR8PVWoN22Vty4IbvGZ4DvSqTQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Except in this case, your neighbor's fridge is magic, and no matter how much food you eat, there is still the same amount left in the fridge, so nobody has to hungry... You shouldn't use scarcity-based logic to define an economic situation where scarcity only exists artificially. ~David On 11/29/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Yeah, i feel the same way. > > Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge > because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. > > aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 16:04:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40843-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59833 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:05:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 59803 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:05:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:03:11 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] mathematical music reading list To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this list was cut and pasted from post by Peter Castine to the Max/ MSP list...I thought I'd post it here in case some people might find it useful...maybe some industrious soul can start a microsound Wiki page and we can add to it? thanks KIM > and set theory... > > Here is the recommended reading list from a seminar I gave on this > a few years back. > > Lehrbücher > Forte, Allen. The Structure of Atonal Music. New Haven, Conn.: Yale > University Press, 1973. > Morris, Robert D. Class Notes for Atonal Music Theory. Hanover, New > Hamphsire: Forg Peak Music, 1991. > Morris, Robert D. Composition with Pitch-Classes. New Haven: Yale > University Press, 1987. > Rahn, John. Basic Atonal Theory. New York: Schirmer Books, 1980. > > Weitere Literature > Alphonce, Bo Harry. “The Invariance Matrix.” Ph.D. dissertation, > Yale University, 1974. > Babbitt, Milton. “Set Strucuture as a Compositional Determinant.” > JMT 5, no. 2 (1961): 72-94. > Babbitt, Milton. “Some Aspects of Twelve-Tone Composition.” 12 > (1955): 53-61. > Babbitt, Milton. “Twelve-Tone Invariants as Compositional > Determinants.” MQ 46, no. 2 (1960): 246-59. > Chrisman, Richard. “Identification and Correlation of Pitch-Sets.” > JMT 15, no. 1 and 2 (1971): 58-83. > Clough, John. “Diatonic Interval Sets and Transformational > Structures.” PNM 18, no. 1&2 (1979): 461-482. > Clough, John. “Pitch-Set Equivalence and Inclusion (A Comment on > Forte’s Theory of Set-Complexes).” JMT 9, no. 1 (1965): 163-71. > Forte, Allen. “Sets and Non-Sets in Schoenberg’s Atonal Music.” PNM > 11, no. 2 (1972): 43-64. > Forte, Allen. “The structure of atonal music: Practical aspects of > a computer-oriented research project.” In Musicology and the > Computer. Musicology 1966-2000: A Practical Program. Three > Symposia. New York: American Musicological Society, 1970. > Hanson, Howard. Harmonic Materials of Modern Music: Resources of > the Tempered Scale. New York: Appleton-Century-Crofts, 1960. > Lewin, David. “Forte’s interval vector, my interval function, and > Regener’s common-note function.” JMT 21, no. 2 (1977): 194-237. > Lewin, David. Generalized Musical Intervals and Transformations. > New Haven, Conn.: Yale University, 1987. > Lewin, David. “Klumpenhouwer networks and some isographies that > involve them.” Spectrum 12, no. 1 (1990): 83-120. > Lewin, David. “A response to a response: On pcset relatedness.” PNM > 18 (1979): 498-502. > Martino, Donald. “The source-set and its aggregate formations.” JMT > 5, no. 2 (1961): 224-73. > Perle, George. Serial Composition and Atonality: An Introduction to > the Music of Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern. 3rd ed. Los Angeles, > California: University of California Press, 1972. > Rogers, John. “Some properties of non-duplicating rotational > arrays.” PNM 7, no. 1 (1968): 80-102. > Starr, Daniel, and Robert D. Morris. “A general theory of > combinatoriality and the aggregate.” PNM 16, no. 1 (1977): 3-35. > Wintle, Christopher. “Milton Babbitt's Semi-Simple Variations.” PNM > 14, no. 2 and 15:1 (1976): 111-54. > > >> geometry >> > > Dmittri Tymoczko's "Geometry of Music" article in Sciene 313 pp > 72-74 (2006) and Guerino Mazzola's book "Die Geometrie der > Musik" (in an expanded English edition published under the title > 'Topos of Music'). > > Hope that's something to get you started. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 15:26:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40842-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37572 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:27:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 37548 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:27:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:25:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?pirand=E8lo?= <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 15:25:53.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8547FA0:01C713CA] i left this battle as well... as musicians i keep concentrated to the production of live shows or other media that are not "digitalizable" instead of making records... i started to keep cds in the car box and buy hard disk for mp3s... so that i can save space in the lounge i'd remind as well, that in italy we pay around 1 euro of taxes (siae) for each cds... and this tax could be enough for a producer to just forget the idea of pressing cds, because digital sales are sooooo less expensive... that's business :( how many produrecers do still press tapes? hugs andrea david.microsuoni ha scritto: > dear ralph, > > i think it's a losing battle...now they will answer you with some philosophical sentence that all art should be free, and all those concepts they use to have their conscience clean. > > here in italy an ex minister of the past government even told on tv he thinks that filesharing it's legal! > (Maroni -Lega) > > david. > > > >> great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >> am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >> not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >> getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >> place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >> and have some more fun downloading music for free... >> > > > -- PEAM 2006 - 6,10 dec. www.artificialia.com/peam2006 www.andreagabriele.it www.pirandelo.org www.artificialia.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 15:07:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40841-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25805 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 25790 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:10:37 +0100 From: "david.microsuoni" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_w+GzTnNPzf3Oi6iu40/L0g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0651-2, 28/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_w+GzTnNPzf3Oi6iu40/L0g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear ralph, i think it's a losing battle...now they will answer you with some philosophical sentence that all art should be free, and all those concepts they use to have their conscience clean. here in italy an ex minister of the past government even told on tv he thinks that filesharing it's legal! (Maroni -Lega) david. >great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. >am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm >not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in >getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a >place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go >and have some more fun downloading music for free... --Boundary_(ID_w+GzTnNPzf3Oi6iu40/L0g)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 14:55:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40840-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20340 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:56:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 20324 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:56:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:55:19 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uBfPNpTu13Ql93w0Dxj+HQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pCs0Pj/+az9AdbhFgmwT8Bju904hIR0C875HfaRRn9LHvQlwUXS8ZVL6hy88gT42V8RC83OWUeZdlyhXdP0Mqn0haHJkp2RImA/GcmQMcItexKukIpOuWLnHK6XZuMoqztqCEts0Y6tdErQFvHtXJQvbEejIVS2CankyRB9O8NI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_uBfPNpTu13Ql93w0Dxj+HQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As I said in my first post, I recommend downloading music if you cannot find a reasonably priced (i.e. < $20) copy to purchase. I buy music all the time, either from an artist at an event directly, or their website. But if something in digital format is artificially rarefied into a ridiculous price range, just download it. The money would only go to someone else if you buy it second hand anyway. ~Kyle On 11/29/06, steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. > am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm > not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in > getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a > place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go > and have some more fun downloading music for free... > > does anybody even care about the artists involved? > > > Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: > > > you can find it easily on soulseek at the bitrate you prefer > > eva > > > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: steinbrüchel xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx > > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:16 +0100 > > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration > > > > > > interesting, but i cannot imagine that this is officially licensed by > > southern lord for this price. is this not important for you? > > > > > > Am 29.11.2006 3:23 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter < > xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > > > >> You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: > >> > > > http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/ > > al > >> bref_14/mcatalog.shtml > >> > >> AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located > >> in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important > >> consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of > >> years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem > >> with credit cards through their payment site. > >> > >> R. > >> > >> > >>> At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding > > someone > >>> with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when > > they > >>> re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists > involved. The > > myth > >>> of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. > >>> > >>> ~Kyle > >>> > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_uBfPNpTu13Ql93w0Dxj+HQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 14:49:26 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40839-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14171 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:50:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 14161 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:50:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:49:09 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, i feel the same way. Next time i am hungry i am going to rifle through my neighbors fridge because i want to eat, i just do not want to pay for it. aLEKs On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:19 AM, steinbrüchel wrote: > great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. > am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm > not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in > getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a > place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go > and have some more fun downloading music for free... > > does anybody even care about the artists involved? > > > Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter > <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 13:21:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40838-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74214 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:22:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 74199 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:22:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:19:58 +0100 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C193478E.40BD%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration Thread-index: AccTuREXT5CdBX+sEduEOQARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx great... all this ripping and stealing info is really very helpful. am i the only one still buying the original cd releases? i'm not interested in getting it cheap or for free. i'm interested in getting the original 2cd limited version and i already found a place so thanks to those helpful links. all you others can go and have some more fun downloading music for free... does anybody even care about the artists involved? Am 29.11.2006 12:55 Uhr schrieb "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" unter <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx>: > you can find it easily on soulseek at the bitrate you prefer > eva > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: steinbrüchel xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:16 +0100 > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration > > > interesting, but i cannot imagine that this is officially licensed by > southern lord for this price. is this not important for you? > > > Am 29.11.2006 3:23 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > >> You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: >> > http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/ > al >> bref_14/mcatalog.shtml >> >> AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located >> in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important >> consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of >> years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem >> with credit cards through their payment site. >> >> R. >> >> >>> At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding > someone >>> with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when > they >>> re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists involved. The > myth >>> of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. >>> >>> ~Kyle >>> -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 11:55:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40837-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35587 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:56:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 35572 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:56:34 +0000 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:55:12 -0500 From: "xxx@xxxxxxx.xx" <xxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration X-Originating-IP: 84.221.2.80 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxx@xxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx you can find it easily on soulseek at the bitrate you prefer eva Original Message: ----------------- From: steinbrüchel xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:16 +0100 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration interesting, but i cannot imagine that this is officially licensed by southern lord for this price. is this not important for you? Am 29.11.2006 3:23 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: > http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/ al > bref_14/mcatalog.shtml > > AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located > in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important > consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of > years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem > with credit cards through their payment site. > > R. > > >> At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding someone >> with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when they >> re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists involved. The myth >> of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. >> >> ~Kyle >> -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 08:56:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40836-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51801 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:57:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 51789 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:57:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:16 +0100 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <p06200700c1929e7bb05c@[192.168.0.3]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1930984.40A5%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration Thread-index: AccTlBauVYdCrH+HEduEOQARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx interesting, but i cannot imagine that this is officially licensed by southern lord for this price. is this not important for you? Am 29.11.2006 3:23 Uhr schrieb "Robert Arnold" unter <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: > http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/al > bref_14/mcatalog.shtml > > AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located > in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important > consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of > years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem > with credit cards through their payment site. > > R. > > >> At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding someone >> with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when they >> re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists involved. The myth >> of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. >> >> ~Kyle >> -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 05:44:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40835-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23212 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:45:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 23161 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:45:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:48:44 +1100 From: Simon Hampson <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] "Discovering Electronic Music" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1934E4C.683C%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] "Discovering Electronic Music" Thread-index: AccTaUQygpGVl39cEdus+AAWy4ns3A== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Maaaannnn.. I can't believe this film is from 1983. It looks like a '50s US sci-fi film. Thanks for the link Rod. Ciao, Simon. On 29/11/06 12:51 PM, "Rod Stasick" <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > From 1983 - with some ancient gear: > > http://tinyurl.com/qk8e5 > > > Rod --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 05:44:16 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40834-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23155 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:45:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 23139 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:45:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:45:27 +1100 From: Simon Hampson <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Body-wired headphones In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1934D87.683B%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Body-wired headphones Thread-index: AccTaM7GDSTdQX9cEdus+AAWy4ns3A== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx And you thought mobile phone radiation was controversial! Thanks for the link Kim. Simon. On 29/11/06 7:58 AM, "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Body-wired headphones > > Sony's Tokyo research lab has found a way to connect headphones to > portable music and video players without the need for fiddly wiring. > They simply feed an audio signal straight through the listener's body. > > http://tinyurl.com/y88h33 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 03:01:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40833-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57710 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:03:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 57698 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:03:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:01:44 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] "Discovering Electronic Music" In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vELeFx6fU/C3Ypw654862g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n3EFsk1XXzbj7h32yiYZh+KEF2T97TsfprVizRXvyRRzzVbsWk624Oxb/4uzvC85fHcQJ0yroq7alE8NF3AjbfA3cxns+LAE1+64hZ/OIIe4dXIFY16gl2xhdJhZmY1hRTeLdFZ440JP7iMgVDRkR/VqOu0rOtTwzXiFfb2SKZ4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vELeFx6fU/C3Ypw654862g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Beautiful! ~Kyle On 11/28/06, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > From 1983 - with some ancient gear: > > http://tinyurl.com/qk8e5 > > > Rod > > > > > > > --- > Now playing: íróÊéq - âJǙǂÇÒÇæÇÁ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_vELeFx6fU/C3Ypw654862g)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 03:00:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40832-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56023 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:01:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 56012 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:01:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:00:40 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_d9NBI5CP0yRaqpiR+nPLyA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KYQgeM8dDqe6txHED7KCbKQZH6NppqIgBxAVGSUAjIKh26uEXYNQiKfe64bTISNYzT6VCecxquvHaYaAA0GCocBRCwvVvvXiPMoFkGoiAk+T4PXqahEf17yzmMxBo/jnVjmSOxCDq0w6/ccNq01A+pUUxh2UsQhYkS5mDBjUHwA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_d9NBI5CP0yRaqpiR+nPLyA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but from what I understand, none of this money that goes to Allofmp3 goes to the artists. I consider that a greater theft than just trading good tunes (since radio isn't doing its job nowadays). ~Kyle On 11/28/06, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: > > http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/albref_14/mcatalog.shtml > > AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located > in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important > consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of > years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem > with credit cards through their payment site. > > R. > > > >At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding > someone > >with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when > they > >re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists involved. The > myth > >of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. > > > >~Kyle > > > > -- > > > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would > permit us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_d9NBI5CP0yRaqpiR+nPLyA)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 02:24:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40831-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38711 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:25:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 38701 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:25:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:23:22 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200700c1929e7bb05c@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_N3VmTOxMKIOATW+PCJ6xDA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_N3VmTOxMKIOATW+PCJ6xDA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can download the album for 2 bucks from AllOfMP3: http://music.allofmp3.com/r2/Sunn_0)/Altar_(With_Boris)/group_66770/album_2/albref_14/mcatalog.shtml AllOfMP3 is a great resource for downloading music. They're located in Russia, so their downloads are really cheap (important consideration for us po' folk). I've been using them for a couple of years and have found them very reliable to deal with - no problem with credit cards through their payment site. R. >At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding someone >with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when they >re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists involved. The myth >of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. > >~Kyle > -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --Boundary_(ID_N3VmTOxMKIOATW+PCJ6xDA)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 01:51:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40830-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23624 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:53:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 23613 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:53:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:51:45 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] "Discovering Electronic Music" To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: aL_dhL0VM1lajrmfeQSlEHtIGwjEh3Id5HlwQEFLRIw.jywlHW5HofZlnsiksE7Pd9yC4Q227W3WdogOo3MugWg3Hl4APD6FHiw6LZ6Hmix9TCJQbDJghQ-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From 1983 - with some ancient gear: http://tinyurl.com/qk8e5 Rod --- Now playing: íróÊéq - âJǙǂÇÒÇæÇÁ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 29 01:27:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40829-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12339 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:28:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 12327 invoked from network); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:28:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:27:25 -0500 From: Michael Greenwood <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Just to add to the wonderful frenzy of collectors and limiteds and whatnot, there is a Japanese version that has just been released by the Boris folks and can be had through their distribution website here http://inoxia-rec.com/ If you like vinyl, (and I do) just be patient as SouthernLord is releasing the album on a 3 lp set sometime soon. Take care, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:58:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40828-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72829 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:59:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 72819 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:59:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:58:20 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Body-wired headphones To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V6ffkuMo6rQ6C8Qt40dEFw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_V6ffkuMo6rQ6C8Qt40dEFw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Body-wired headphones Sony's Tokyo research lab has found a way to connect headphones to portable music and video players without the need for fiddly wiring. They simply feed an audio signal straight through the listener's body. Existing wireless headphones use Bluetooth radio, but this means pairing two devices beforehand and is prone to interference from other equipment. Another approach – infra-red – relies on line-of- sight, which is rarely practical. The new system uses the listener's body as a capacitor that carries a tiny electrostatic charge. A music or video player sends a fluctuating signal to a conductive cloth pad – such as a wrist band – and this slightly charges the wearer's body. A pair of conductive ear pads in the headphones pick-up the signal and rapidly convert it back into sound. Just a few millionths of an amp flow through the wearer's body, so there should be no nasty tingling effect. To convert the small charge into good quality audio, Sony uses a high frequency signal, which is digitally switched to carry data at 48 kilobytes per second. This is enough to deliver good quality, body-rocking stereo, the company says. Read the full body-wired headphones patent application. http://tinyurl.com/y88h33 --Boundary_(ID_V6ffkuMo6rQ6C8Qt40dEFw)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:54:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40827-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69910 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:55:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 69900 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:55:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Wiernik <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C192541F.8037%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> X-X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mZ+NbT483m+xBs9yucz74w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C192541F.8037%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mZ+NbT483m+xBs9yucz74w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a copy of this cd and its AMAZING!!! sunn o))) for me are like a modern day version of early swans... yummy!!! On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, steinbrüchel wrote: > hi list > of the album "altar" by boris + sunn o))) there was a 2cd version available > from southern lord (but now unfortunately sold out). does anybody maybe have > a copy of this for sale or know any other place i could order it online? > > thanx for any help. > cheers to all, ralph. > > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ============================ www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net --Boundary_(ID_mZ+NbT483m+xBs9yucz74w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_mZ+NbT483m+xBs9yucz74w)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:41:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40826-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60877 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:42:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 60861 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:42:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:40:58 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fBbv36a7MGL5pibA8IPLiQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MPyIuYyIluO4CbY4yMpiQE8GPMJO6wR1mVeA6C6Vn6AtHYieUSsRDqLw+uFOXuBQplfBZyFsftFg3qKQq766q3fR8+ua+iIHoMobJUL5CWk29ZljPj9Gvrvv9UMl9PrwT36iWTLoouAaMWLpbcZp16hHx3DP/SUujOjnqBLXkLg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fBbv36a7MGL5pibA8IPLiQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At the risk of sounding like a jerk, try downloading it or finding someone with a copy who can rip it for you. You can always buy it legit when they re-release it. Or just toss 10-20 bucks to the artists involved. The myth of scarcity in this digital age should be abolished. ~Kyle On 11/28/06, steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > Am 28.11.2006 21:03 Uhr schrieb "aleks vasic" unter > <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx>: > > > No, but to further frustrate you, its great! > > thank you, how kind of you... ;) > > > There will be another run on southern lord i believe. Maybe ebay or > > Lala.com > > thx, i'll check it out... > > > Cheers > > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:01 PM, steinbrüchel wrote: > > > >> hi list > >> of the album "altar" by boris + sunn o))) there was a 2cd version > >> available > >> from southern lord (but now unfortunately sold out). does anybody > >> maybe have > >> a copy of this for sale or know any other place i could order it > >> online? > >> > >> thanx for any help. > >> cheers to all, ralph. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_fBbv36a7MGL5pibA8IPLiQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:17:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40825-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48773 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:18:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 48747 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:18:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:18:06 +0100 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C192580E.8042%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Am 28.11.2006 21:03 Uhr schrieb "aleks vasic" unter <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx>: > No, but to further frustrate you, its great! thank you, how kind of you... ;) > There will be another run on southern lord i believe. Maybe ebay or > Lala.com thx, i'll check it out... > Cheers > > aLEKs > > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:01 PM, steinbrüchel wrote: > >> hi list >> of the album "altar" by boris + sunn o))) there was a 2cd version >> available >> from southern lord (but now unfortunately sold out). does anybody >> maybe have >> a copy of this for sale or know any other place i could order it >> online? >> >> thanx for any help. >> cheers to all, ralph. >> >> >> -- >> >> .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:11:03 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40824-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44179 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:12:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 44158 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:11:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:14:35 -0500 From: kathy kennedy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] looking for compositions To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ah96xMuz/5F2DBKSDxYG7A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Ah96xMuz/5F2DBKSDxYG7A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, this is a general call out for anyone interested in creating a new work out of an existing soundtrack. THE HUM REMIX CD In the spirit of collaboration that is at the basis of the Hum project, a compilation CD of Hum remixes will be produced in April 07. Participants are invited to create a remix of any style using this sonic material in any way in their composition. Proceeds will go toward the production of The Main Hum event of June 07. Any additional revenues will be divided evenly among composers, and copyright will remain their sole property. Please see http://www.kathykennedy.ca/news/news.html for more details. Kathy Kennedy --Boundary_(ID_Ah96xMuz/5F2DBKSDxYG7A)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:04:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40823-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38534 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:05:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 38518 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:05:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:03:55 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration In-reply-to: <C192541F.8037%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C192541F.8037%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No, but to further frustrate you, its great! There will be another run on southern lord i believe. Maybe ebay or Lala.com Cheers aLEKs On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:01 PM, steinbrüchel wrote: > hi list > of the album "altar" by boris + sunn o))) there was a 2cd version > available > from southern lord (but now unfortunately sold out). does anybody > maybe have > a copy of this for sale or know any other place i could order it > online? > > thanx for any help. > cheers to all, ralph. > > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 28 20:00:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40822-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35482 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:01:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 35466 invoked from network); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:01:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:01:19 +0100 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] boris + sunn o))) collaboration To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C192541F.8037%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi list of the album "altar" by boris + sunn o))) there was a 2cd version available from southern lord (but now unfortunately sold out). does anybody maybe have a copy of this for sale or know any other place i could order it online? thanx for any help. cheers to all, ralph. -- ..:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 27 20:16:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40821-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61925 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:17:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 61901 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:17:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:16:37 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the only good dj is a dead dj link? In-reply-to: <019801c71257$482c3560$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ACSab7yhwLtVJwvCRc5WMg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ej6VlRAhCxb8PtvYnhy8GpHzOW2vSIinpGpzE6QzaCeB2fUmHziNqcuFtGsQRhvGVdQqLMqLSl2ma3+fX9Npq/63LaKYMBBXqZHWdnQRCTx4RYsSNz75Xrphnbh4MgeuIYLVuEM/cQTVnH3SpSJ/XwjO4acd7ToQd0lEqQuEDYo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <019801c71257$482c3560$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ACSab7yhwLtVJwvCRc5WMg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hahaha! Man, that is some vengeful prose! I can understand some of the concerns listed, but it comes off a bit like Valerie Solanis' "S.C.U.M. Manifesto," or something Netotchka Nezvanova would write. ~Kyle On 11/27/06, Björn Eriksson <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Hello, > you can follow the link at microsound.org to the wiki and then go to > texts: > > http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-wiki/index.php/The_only_good_DJ_is_a_dead_DJ > or if this is broken use this tiny url: > http://tinyurl.com/yzsba4 > > While you're at it, please add more stuff to the Wiki. It is up and > working. It is a useful place to put interesting stuff at. > > Yours, > Björn Eriksson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mika Martini" <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:55 PM > Subject: [microsound] the only good dj is a dead dj link? > > > > Hi! > > someone have a correct link for the > > mike ibañez' essay: "the only good dj is a dead dj" [old link: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/IbanezEssay ] > > > > thnks! mika. > > > > > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + > > [M!M] [CHILE] > > [www.pueblonuevo.cl] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Correo Yahoo! > > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > > Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_ACSab7yhwLtVJwvCRc5WMg)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 27 19:07:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40820-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23553 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:08:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 23541 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:07:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:07:27 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the only good dj is a dead dj link? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <019801c71257$482c3560$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mhVz8eKpw0S4ciX+KBWdKw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mhVz8eKpw0S4ciX+KBWdKw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, you can follow the link at microsound.org to the wiki and then go to texts: http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-wiki/index.php/The_only_good_DJ_is_a_dead_DJ or if this is broken use this tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/yzsba4 While you're at it, please add more stuff to the Wiki. It is up and working. It is a useful place to put interesting stuff at. Yours, Björn Eriksson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mika Martini" <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: [microsound] the only good dj is a dead dj link? > Hi! > someone have a correct link for the > mike ibañez' essay: "the only good dj is a dead dj" [old link: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/IbanezEssay ] > > thnks! mika. > > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + > [M!M] [CHILE] > [www.pueblonuevo.cl] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_mhVz8eKpw0S4ciX+KBWdKw)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 27 18:55:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40818-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15661 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:56:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 15648 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:56:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:55:13 -0600 (CST) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] the only good dj is a dead dj link? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hVspiAdYbO9Pjms/xrE1GA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vLf9BM3Z08ZckjnypHrbhyUBtUKTaIczALKao5c8f96/4Pm7aU+ZhOtvN37aFPU1X8IzMP8rtAJdE65ki52X43zOg+CKCZNKOeFoioVqGxRY7WV2/tR8BvvJbG10EQE9YpFXZeSUal8Kuxu0QZS67l60GVNN/F9nWR1gCCwHAE4=; X-YMail-OSG: SBwL2roVM1mN1F7ChWM5FMspdi1pI.BnsSyFm8_.vklQjcdlDaRq5QvQAWucAdbcdgVVNBQXpC34pE6iFOcXf0v2w8sf6Z9HMk_mURy.3MqraRSHyTeXYq1ZEjvwbyBcxiUOtBXM6T.J0Zw- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_hVspiAdYbO9Pjms/xrE1GA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! someone have a correct link for the mike ibañez' essay: "the only good dj is a dead dj" [old link: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/IbanezEssay ] thnks! mika. + + + + + + + + + + + + + [M!M] [CHILE] [www.pueblonuevo.cl] __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_hVspiAdYbO9Pjms/xrE1GA)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 27 05:46:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40817-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4279 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:47:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 4269 invoked from network); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:47:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:46:22 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] RIP: Malachi Ritscher To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_k77ujrZUWU52uW3oDipOHg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_k77ujrZUWU52uW3oDipOHg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had no idea this had happened until today...did anyone on the list know him personally? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM. 20061126.wsuicc1126/BNStory/International/home --Boundary_(ID_k77ujrZUWU52uW3oDipOHg)-- From ???@??? Fri Nov 24 11:32:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40816-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76968 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:32:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 76956 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:32:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:31:56 +0100 From: xxxxxx@xx-xxxxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] IanniX 0.635b online To: "xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi IanniX 0.635b is now online in several versions: - as a WinXP .exe, here: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.635b-WinXP-bin.rar?use_mirror=osdn - as a MacOSX Universal Binary, here: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.635b-OSX.tgz?use_mirror=osdn - as a GNU/Linux binary, here: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-O.635b-Linux-bin.tgz?use_mirror=osdn - as a source file, here: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.635b-Linux-SRC.tgz?use_mirror=osdn As usual, please report us any bug you meet in your use of IanniX. The IanniX Team. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Nov 24 05:53:03 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40815-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80466 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:53:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 80451 invoked from network); Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:53:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:52:54 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] anyone know any links to online speech synthesizers? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx like this one: http://public.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php this one is amazing but i'm wondering what else is out there in cyberspace. g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 23 12:58:21 2006 Return-path: <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (collab.or8.net [209.6.82.6]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D112764B22D; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-msa-out06.orange.fr (smtp6.orange.fr [193.252.22.25]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970AB64AECA for <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (AMarseille-253-1-32-234.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.205.207.234]) by mwinf0606.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F3B31C0028B; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:58:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:58:09 +0100 From: Philippe Petit <xxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [Microsound-announce] our new record by Erik Friedlander and Teho Teardo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxx_xxxxxxx_xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, idm - moderated <xxx-x@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, "xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>, "xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx-xx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, annonces Wire <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MeY2qO+GfBlr1PzAUcn+hw)" Precedence: list X-BeenThere: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Delivered-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx X-Original-To: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-UUID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=help> List-Id: microsound related announcements <microsound-announce.microsound.nexthop.net> Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_MeY2qO+GfBlr1PzAUcn+hw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Mailsmith-92A5F06C-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Mailsmith-92A5F06C-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Enjoying so much success and nice feedbacks with our page for Strings Of Consciousness I decided to open a Space for the label feel free to visit, make friends... http://www.myspace.com/biphoprec We are very pleased to introduce you to our new record, a new step in sound for us who like to surprise our listeners, this time it takes us into a very nice contemporary music-like, poetic atmospheres : Erik Friedlander and Teho Teardo : giorni rubati [bleep 34] www.erikfriedlander.com www.tehoteardo.com inspired from pasolini's poetry, in 2004 Italian electronics composer Teho Teardo and New York cellist Erik Friedlander began a trans- Atlantic collaboration, exchanging ideas, creating and remixing each other's contributions. They discovered a rapport that superseded their different backgrounds. The classically trained cellist now Downtown improviser and former electro punk now cutting edge film composer found they shared a drive to create emotionally charged, passionate music. Friedlander has backed John Zorn, Laurie Anderson and Courtney Love. New York's Erik Friedlander is a unique cellist whose work blurs genre borders. He is a composer and an improviser, a classical musician and a jazzbo. The LA Times put it best when they wrote, "Friedlander's performance clearly positions him as the first potential star performer on his instrument." Teho has started the bands Meathead, MATERA (with Mick Harris), OPERATOR (with Scott Mccloud/GVSB) and MODERN INSTITUTE Feel free to order direct from us and receive freebies… www.bip-hop.com or via our distribution outlets... Please note that USA is now being covered by Carrot Top outta Chicago http://ctdltd.com/ next in line the long awaited second album by : Spaceheads & Max Eastley : a very long way from anywhere else [bleep 35] http://www.spaceheads.co.uk/ http://www.capefarewell.com/content/art-eastley.php hav a nice day ip --Mailsmith-92A5F06C-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Enjoying so much success and nice feedbacks with our page for Strings Of Consciousness I decided to open a Space for the label </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">feel free to visit, make friends...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.myspace.com/biphoprec">http://www.myspace.com/biphoprec</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We are very pleased to introduce you to our new record, a new step in sound for us who like to surprise our listeners, this time it takes us into a very nice contemporary music-like, poetic atmospheres : </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Erik Friedlander and Teho Teardo : giorni rubati [bleep 34]</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.erikfriedlander.com</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.tehoteardo.com</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">inspired from pasolini's poetry, i</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times">n 2004 Italian electronics composer Teho Teardo and New York cellist Erik Friedlander began a trans- Atlantic collaboration, exchanging ideas, creating and remixing each other's contributions. They discovered a rapport that superseded their different backgrounds.</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times"> </FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times">The classically trained cellist now Downtown improviser and former electro punk now cutting edge film composer found they shared a drive to create emotionally charged, passionate music.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times">Friedlander has backed John Zorn, Laurie Anderson and Courtney Love. New York's Erik Friedlander is a unique cellist whose work blurs genre borders. He is a composer and an improviser, a classical musician and a jazzbo. The LA Times put it best when they wrote, "Friedlander's performance clearly positions him as the first potential star performer on his instrument."</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times">Teho has started the bands Meathead, MATERA (with Mick Harris), OPERATOR (with Scott Mccloud/GVSB) and MODERN INSTITUTE</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Feel free to order direct from us and receive freebies… </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">www.bip-hop.com</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">or via our distribution outlets... </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please note that USA is now being covered by Carrot Top outta Chicago</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://ctdltd.com">http://ctdltd.com</A>/</DIV><DIV><DIV style="font-family: American Typewriter; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: American Typewriter; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">next in line the long awaited second album by :</FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: American Typewriter; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: American Typewriter; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman">Spaceheads & Max Eastley : a very long way from anywhere else </FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman"><B>[bleep 35]</B></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ; font-family: American Typewriter; "><A href="http://www.spaceheads.co.uk/">http://www.spaceheads.co.uk</A>/</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ; font-family: American Typewriter; "><A href="http://www.capefarewell.com/content/art-eastley.php">http://www.capefarewell.com/content/art-eastley.php</A></DIV><DIV style="font-family: American Typewriter; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">hav a nice day</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">ip</FONT></DIV><BR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML> --Mailsmith-92A5F06C-AD5D-11DB-9D5B-000D932C0D78-- --Boundary_(ID_MeY2qO+GfBlr1PzAUcn+hw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Microsound-announce mailing list xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce --Boundary_(ID_MeY2qO+GfBlr1PzAUcn+hw)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 22 03:42:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40814-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89424 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:42:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 89413 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:42:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:42:05 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics and dancing In-reply-to: <C1890AC1.E26%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YHUVeX1KvYDT9SxcUzl0ng)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1890AC1.E26%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YHUVeX1KvYDT9SxcUzl0ng) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is exactly the kind of stuff i did @ york in ethnomusicology... see also: paul theberge's 'any sound you can imagine' (i always loved that title) http://www.amazon.com/Any-Sound-You-Can-Imagine/dp/0819563099 it's pretty good, although it does not really address any real world examples of EDM. the amazon website sums it up pretty well: "Recent innovations in musical instrument design are not simply a response to the needs of musicians, writes Paul Theberge; they also have become "a driving force with which musicians must contend." He argues that digital synthesizers, samplers, and sequencers in studio production and in the home have caused musicians to rely increasingly on manufacturers for both the instruments themselves as well as the very sounds and musical patterns that they use to make music. Musical practices have thus become allied with a new type of consumer practice that is altogether different from earlier relationships between musicians and their instruments as a means of production. Theberge places these developments within a broad social and historical perspective that examines the development of the musical instrument industry, particularly the piano industry, the economic and cultural role of musicians' magazines and computer networks, and the fundamental relationships between musical concepts, styles, and technology." On 21-Nov-06, at 7:57 PM, michael trommer wrote: > You might find this interesting...a friend of mine is involved and > we argue > about it all the time: > > http://www.wavedna.com/ > > Sounds like the type of analysis you're interested in, only much more > extreme. > > (I find it kind of evil/scary, personally) > --Boundary_(ID_YHUVeX1KvYDT9SxcUzl0ng)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 22 00:58:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40813-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26281 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:58:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 26268 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:58:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:57:53 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics and dancing In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1890AC1.E26%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics and dancing Thread-index: AccN0T07e5obNXnEEduo3wAWy9DJLA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You might find this interesting...a friend of mine is involved and we argue about it all the time: http://www.wavedna.com/ Sounds like the type of analysis you're interested in, only much more extreme. (I find it kind of evil/scary, personally) On 11/21/06 1:18 AM, "Damian Stewart" <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > David Powers wrote: >> The problem is your assumption that grooves are universal ... Who >> exactly gets to judge what makes a good groove? How do you know >> everyone would agree on this? > > I don't think everyone would agree about what some 'universal' good groove > is, not at all. However I do think that within within a particular musical > genre or subgenre there is an agreement about what a good groove sounds > like - if you play a song from a particular genre of groove-based music to > a group of people who all claim to like that particular genre, then I > expect you'd find fairly consistent agreement amongst those people as to > whether that particular groove was 'good' or 'bad' or whatever. > > Moreover, speaking of my own criteria for deciding whether a groove is > 'good' or not, I believe that groove makes itself apparent in much too raw > and physical a way to be culturally determined. If it makes me feel like > dancing, then it makes me feel like dancing; I don't believe that that > aspect of 'grooviness' is culturally determined. > > In fact this 'dancing' aspect tends to heighten my belief in a mathematical > basis for groove; when I'm dancing and I slip into the > staying-out-all-night mode it's largely because the DJ is playing music > which has rhythmical patterns that resonate with particular kinds of muscle > movement. Groove-based dancing to me is all based on the circular movement > of parts of my body; it's about synchronising body motion with musical > motion in ways that make it feel effortless. To me, that implies a strong > kinetic basis for groove, which itself implies a mathematical basis. > > It is my belief that these kinetic relationships hold for all sufficiently > 'groovy' grooves. They won't have /the same/ relationships of course, and > the relationships need to be flexible enough that all sufficiently 'groovy' > grooves, as judged by a cross-section of listeners, are included. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 23:41:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40812-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28215 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:41:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 28205 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:41:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:40:53 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Dz3oUT9DhrEqQ9Lyb5qp2KYnKpUpKyrattX9YovjUErj8dfIG0wy2ruhwgo/uJSckKIcAQLJyBtSxkAcxRdu0wCIjrsQA1ohN4pFfwKJ3CIFUt8aGrdy+KpZoIFgAk3brj0g0gumrOEzadiysyuN9z+rEDNMtAkTDq3VEUwa/AM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/21/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I think we're kind of saying the same thing, which I've suspected for a > while ;-) we just have different ideas about the repercussions, or perhaps > the underlying truth, or something. > > What you're talking about is part of my idea though - what happens when you > take away the need for a compressor and just programme in the same sorts of > velocities directly? Well, that would require some program that hasn't yet been invented! Feel free to try though... However, my other point is that, while I'm sure you could analyze a set of examples from a given genre and find mathematical patterns, I highly doubt you could correlate the patterns with the perception of an afficienado in that genre, about whether a particular beat was good or bad. You don't even know, to what extent people agree on good or bad! You can't advance your hypothesis, until you test how much subjective variation there is in people's perceptions of grooves, and especially things like cross-cultural variation. All this sounds like a research career for a cognitive scientist, not a musician, as far as I'm concerned. I already KNOW how to make a groove that gets peoople jacking, I'll let other people sit around testing and researching ... ;) ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 23:26:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40811-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8280 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:26:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 8208 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:26:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:25:55 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > I remember reading (but not where I read it) that a lot of Hip-Hop > producers > will create groovy beats by tapping the bassline directly into the > sequencer > using an MPC pad. This supports how I (and a great deal of others) feel Ah yes they were tapping, but with the quantize function on, or off? ;-) I find when I perform directly into the sequencer like this, I can make it feel 'groovier' over multiple repetitions of the very same loop (which is what I'm interested in) by tweaking the values toward some ideal that I would've been 'feeling' when I performed it. It remains my belief that said ideal has a mathematical basis. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 23:22:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40810-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4752 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:22:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 4739 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:22:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:21:42 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > Well, but this is my point: this IS precisely how many (probably most) > techno producers do use compression. When I build a bassline I > consider the result of how the kick and bass will compress together - > it's NOT the same rhythm/groove without the compression. Likewise, > sometimes after doing a test mastering, I have to go back and change a > velocity or timing in a high pitched rhythm, or the characteristic of > the sound itself, because of something that occurs happens to the > rhythm after compression, which I was not aware of before hand... I think we're kind of saying the same thing, which I've suspected for a while ;-) we just have different ideas about the repercussions, or perhaps the underlying truth, or something. What you're talking about is part of my idea though - what happens when you take away the need for a compressor and just programme in the same sorts of velocities directly? A compressor is following a mathematical algorithm. It's guided by a musician, sure, but it's still the maths helping it to feel groovy, to some extent. My interest is in determining what kind of input to send the compressor to make it give a groover effect on the output. I've experimented a little with passing the output of a drum machine through a sine-based tremolo that is perfectly in phase with the beat, and that can lend some interesting effects, but the sine really needs to be wonky in interesting ways, and it's this wonky that I'm trying to find. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 23:13:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40809-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99490 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:14:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 99477 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:14:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:13:30 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MAMgXhQUwz0b3LMzLbL24utgzpz93ZLRvJfpH0hGun+jSI8eWGNmd5jNbMl7HYWtcKZS424UGIAO9Jbwqv6PyGVvKUa5QnClF91aMGVf8HWsm30N55XAp0IZ+/vxPR/5TOJSCvFXPsWAnZ9k25Bc86S1lqlsRcNl1+8uH5u4xGg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/21/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Unless you're using excessive compression to make particular > things duck using side chains (cf Rhythm & Sound/Basic Channel), but that > means using compression at the composition end to mechanically specify your > velocities for you, rather than using it as the kind of compression > normally associated with mastering. Well, but this is my point: this IS precisely how many (probably most) techno producers do use compression. When I build a bassline I consider the result of how the kick and bass will compress together - it's NOT the same rhythm/groove without the compression. Likewise, sometimes after doing a test mastering, I have to go back and change a velocity or timing in a high pitched rhythm, or the characteristic of the sound itself, because of something that occurs happens to the rhythm after compression, which I was not aware of before hand... In techno/mnml/dnb/idm etc. it's no longer possible to distinguish entirely between composition and production/engineering anymore. Moreover, the whole (post-compression) is indeed different than the sum of the individual parts. And that means you have a problem for the analysis you propose, because it's much harder to quantify a finished/compressed beat that combines many sounds into a single entity, than it is to analyze a set of individual elements that might make up such a beat. So I'm basically saying, in the style of rhythmic music I work in most often, an analytic process of breaking the whole into seperate parts is not going to work. Maybe some kind of other cognitive/gestural approach might work better. To address your initial idea though, if you WERE going to stick to analysis, I'd suggest an approach that deals with some kinds of analysis of frequency bands within mastered beats (maybe stuff you could do with bonk~ and fiddle~ in pd)... ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:59:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40808-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91273 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:00:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 91262 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:00:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:59:09 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Jarboe wrote: > I was listening to si-cut.db (probably voluptuous midnight original , > not the stephan m. remix) and thinking of groove as iteration of an > event , then another iteration when it begs for reexamination , In one of David Toop's books he talks about a piece by Edgar Varese which is a three minute long composition for piano long but which bears the performance instruction "Play 349 times" or something. It was performed in its entirety once by a group of performers that included John Cage from memory, working in shifts over a long weekend. Apparently when listening to it, each time through the piece 'felt' different, as you could feel the memory of the music through itself. > i exist i exist i exist i exist. Messing with time by constantly redefining a temporal orientation point. > imagine an individual on a dance floor wallowing in infinitude with > enough boundaries to keep it friendly. Let yourself fall into it and time ceases to have meaning. > I've also thought of backbeat as a completely unrelated sound or feeling > , when you know the one is going to come back around and you comment or > accomplish something in the meantime. Yeah, I know that feeling.. oh magical music. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:45:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40807-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82843 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:45:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 82827 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:45:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:44:58 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > On > the other hand, the Sutekh beat is hot, it bangs, I'd play that one as > a DJ. that sutekh record is one of my most favourite things ever. everyone go buy incest now:) http://damian.fusion.net.nz/frey/nice-loops/sutekh-incest-06.mp3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:43:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40806-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80914 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:43:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 80812 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:43:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:42:39 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.144 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fZOvmE5SufoLIqfnDYhEUCK2xUgOReH3WfAg4A/XvfKisOu1u0RzpeKucy1WQEKN; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c26091f6340003dd2cf495b95ae69908d807d548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Damian (and others), I was listening to si-cut.db (probably voluptuous midnight original , not the stephan m. remix) and thinking of groove as iteration of an event , then another iteration when it begs for reexamination , essentially the same iteration which is different from reiteration of that event. In the case of the benford tune , also some Kit Clayton , Run-D.M.C. It's Not Funny (from King of Rock) the event is perhaps to invite the observation not that it exists , more the observation i exist i exist i exist i exist. Any of the tunes of which I am thinking might seem uninteresting on the surface , yet they have their subtle magic. I imagine an individual on a dance floor wallowing in infinitude with enough boundaries to keep it friendly. I've also thought of backbeat as a completely unrelated sound or feeling , when you know the one is going to come back around and you comment or accomplish something in the meantime. -b On Nov 20, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Damian Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any research into rhythm perception which talks > about possible heuristics for determining whether a 1/2/4-bar rhythmic > pattern in 4/4 has a 'good' 'groove' or not? > > I know from my own composition efforts with looping rhythmic material > (read 'electronic dance music') that, during the construction of a > 'groove' in 4/4 time, adding particular sounds to particular places in > a pattern can make it 'groovier', while adding the same sounds to > other places in the pattern can make it distinctly less 'groovy'. By > the same token, removing a particular sound that is 'getting in the > way of the groove' can vastly increase the 'grooviness' of the > pattern. (Sorry about the scare quotes, I don't know any other > language that would convey what I mean effectively.) > > Having done this for about four years now I've reached a point of > skill where I can do this mostly intuitively; ie, I can listen to a > 'groove' and tell in my mind (or by beatboxing with my mouth) what > sounds to add, and where to add them, to make it 'groovier'. The > development of this intuitive skill has led me to believe that my > brain is somehow hooking into the maths of the pattern, that said > additions work to enhance certain mathematical properties of the > pattern. I'm fairly certain that a lot of the 'organic' 'funkiness' of > a good funk band is paradoxically due to the performers being > metronomically precise with their rhythms and accents, and I believe > this mathematical basis could be extended further. > > So I'm looking for some research into the heuristics of 'groove', or > even just analysis along these lines. I'm well aware that such > heuristics may not even exist, but I'd like to believe otherwise :-) > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:30:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40805-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72412 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:30:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 72401 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:30:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:29:53 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > As far as velocities being an essential part of creating a good > groove, well that's true. But neither is it mathematically > quantifiable. I like FLStudio (yes some think it is a toy) because I > can draw in velocity curves really quickly, and many times very > contradictory sets of velocities will work. How do you know they're contradictory? Do you find you need to do some tweaking to make them the 'right kind' of contradictory? I know exactly what you mean, and it is my hunch that they appear contradictory but in fact they express the same thing, just in different ways; like maybe one is the derivative of the other, or the log of the other, or something. Datamining algorithms run over mathematical representations of beats would help uncover this, I think. Or demonstrate that it doesn't exist. (It is also very easy to > delay a particular beat, and I often have swing vs. straight 16ths at > the same time, or 16ths with different swing, or swing that is drawn > in by hand at points where it feels correct.) I used to work with Ableton Live, in a very freeform way with a live band that I'd sample on the fly, and sometimes I'd end up writing a piece of music that was in 3/4 on a 4/4 grid at 1.5x the tempo Live thought it was running. Trying to manually marry a bunch of different swing feels into one timeline on top of this is a nightmare.. When it worked it made it feel more 'natural' but not necessarily groovier. > And, following from this, you must especially consider things like the > actual mix and the compression on the mix, which have a HUGE effect on > the accents and psychoacoustic effect, but are quite hard to quantify > and aren't usually considered part of the composition of the groove > per se. All this stuff goes into making a good groove. Yeah, I agree with you that compression and mixing plays a big part in adding the final touches to a groove; but a good groove sounds like a good groove regardless of how it's compressed or produced. Mixing and compression can only bring out its goodness, they can't create goodness from nowhere. Unless you're using excessive compression to make particular things duck using side chains (cf Rhythm & Sound/Basic Channel), but that means using compression at the composition end to mechanically specify your velocities for you, rather than using it as the kind of compression normally associated with mastering. This idea of groove still allows Fela Kuti to work, too. You can get any disparate collection of musicians to play a Fela Kuti groove and, so long as the musicians know how to play their instruments, it will sound and feel like a Fela Kuti groove. Here you've got different mixing, compression, and mastering parameters being roughly equivalent to different sets of musicians. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:29:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40804-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71266 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:29:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 71255 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:29:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:29:05 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t3Nb/eC4MD2YSQWRLPiApVa48L9YCyb/fDzzqbr6kHC8vT6tvKRQlEJPTVlo6YUUqzvPan68yxWH6FpDUpsu1JzgJHdrdlZhi0qAUHtiiMTErMY4YKKTvHvLZIJUKZgpecCoDrnuvq50ZtVzOo/dbs7U7VqWnPaoyMv3XepixmE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx All I can say is, I don't think that first groove would be interesting to the minimal or techno heads around here. The groove just isn't "right" - this is an aquired cultural sensibility, not a mathematical one. There's nothing "wrong" with it but it doesn't work for me. On the other hand, the Sutekh beat is hot, it bangs, I'd play that one as a DJ. But I really don't see a mathematical way to prove that one is better than the other. I trust my ears. I'd posit that it's an acquired sensibility that comes from many nights of making beats, mixing records and dancing with like minded people to certain favored styles. And this sensibility is not cross-cultural or universal - it wouldn't help me make the perfect dub reggae beat. What I will assert, is that whatever this mysterious quality that makes a beat work for me in a particular context is, it's as much in the production values, melodic content, compression, mixing, and choice of sounds, as it is in the rhythm itself. The range of rhythms isn't that broad, and essentially, it could mostly all be derived from latin + disco rhythms. ~David On 11/21/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I think that's true, but it doesn't capture what I find interesting about > the notion of groove. > > http://damian.fusion.net.nz/frey/nice-loops/richard-davis-breathe.mp3 > > Yes, there is a continous 16th pulse in there, but what makes it groovy is > the hihat + bassline with its sense of collection and rising between beats > 1 and 3, the sense of sudden drop at beat 3, pause to recollect between > beats 3 and 4 and then a little mini scramble upwards between beat 4 and > beat 1 of the next cycle, to drop again at beat 1. The hihat skips 16ths > over the first half, which lends energy to the bassline, but then when the > bassline is lying prone collapsed over beats 3-4 the hihats bang out all > 16ths as though providing a commentary on (or a roof over) the action. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:24:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40803-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67714 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:25:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 67700 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:25:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:24:36 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'd argue that while it may be objectively the 'same groove every time round' it is doesn't sound that way cognitively. repetition certainly changes the way things sound. one bar of james brown is not as funky as 4, 8 or 16 bars of the same thing. as the brain grapples with pattern and repetition (which is basically what neural nets do best) different structures emerge that are subjective and unique to the listener, i think. that's what makes repetitive music so pleasurable and interesting, for me at least. g. On 21-Nov-06, at 4:26 PM, Damian Stewart wrote: > Paul Sanders wrote: > >> In music a beat is not the equivalent of a mathematical point on a >> mathematical line. It has its own dimensions. No two beats are >> exactly alike. > > I'm currently reading "Unlocking the Groove" by Mark Butler, which > talks about electronic dance music (EDM) from a music-theoretical > perspective. One of the things it is pulling up is this idea that, > in EDM, because of the mechanical origin of the beats (sequencers > and drum machines) actually the beat does become the equivalent of > a mathematical point on a mathematical line. Yet, we still manage > to infer groove and 'funkiness' from a machine-generated beat that > is precisely the same every time round. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 22:10:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40802-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57765 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:10:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 57732 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:10:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:10:01 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > To clarify, I mean you can break that 16th note pulse in many ways - > but the final result of a dense groove is that the different parts > blend into a single stream of 16ths. Then in more sparse sections, > parts are stripped off to reveal some simpler sub-rhythm, which > typically hits on between 2 and 4 points within the space of two > beats. I think that's true, but it doesn't capture what I find interesting about the notion of groove. http://damian.fusion.net.nz/frey/nice-loops/richard-davis-breathe.mp3 Yes, there is a continous 16th pulse in there, but what makes it groovy is the hihat + bassline with its sense of collection and rising between beats 1 and 3, the sense of sudden drop at beat 3, pause to recollect between beats 3 and 4 and then a little mini scramble upwards between beat 4 and beat 1 of the next cycle, to drop again at beat 1. The hihat skips 16ths over the first half, which lends energy to the bassline, but then when the bassline is lying prone collapsed over beats 3-4 the hihats bang out all 16ths as though providing a commentary on (or a roof over) the action. Then in the second iteration you have the addition of the open hi-hat which adds a sense of backward and forward, kind of a direction reversal every 1/4 note. The record crackle is window dressing that nevertheless adds a little 'squeeze' to the 1, and the little synth lines serve to outline the larger formal structure. I see a bouncy ball in a gravity well with springy floor and walls, and the whole thing is kind of breathing over the space of a measure, expanding over beats 1-3 and collapsing over beats 3-1. > But what makes the grooves interesting is the constant building - > reducing - building - reducing to various combinations over time, not > really any particular rhythm. You'll hear most all combinations within > an hour or two set, typically, as we are talking about a rather > limited set of permutations. I'm not so interested in whether a groove maintains interest over time, just whether it's 'groovy'. Over any given four bar stretch, a groove can be more or less 'groovy' in my books, and the larger scale interest doesn't have any influence here. Long-term interest is my goal though. In theory, if I can write a 'groove' based on some kind of inversion of the heuristics (ie start from the numbers and work back to the groove), then vary the numbers continuously while holding the relationships between them constant, I can generate grooves that continuously change but stay groovy in the same kind of way. Or perhaps reveal some other strange musical relationship... I have no idea whether this would even work but the possibility is kind of exciting, don't you think? > Some of what really makes great grooves in this style, for me, are not > just rhythms, but actually timbral and pitch modulations that push and > pull in certain ways. Exactly! It's that pushing and pulling that I'm most interested in, because I believe that it hints at a kinematic basis for grooviness. There's a sense amongst the pushing and pulling of /balance/, and for me a groovy beat is one that pushes some kind of centre of balance around in a way that makes it almost topple over, but not quite. (The best I can think of is Sutekh, check his album Incest Live or this sample: http://damian.fusion.net.nz/frey/nice-loops/sutekh-incest-06.mp3 , it's an amazing example of how to build dynamically balanced but unstable beats.) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 21:48:40 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40801-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44598 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 44575 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:48:22 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aTXx7dU3Zkbu9tykRYSqUyLffdqG7ztwpuhIfgWDPd0FWcRt0AV9GH3DAesA3FddBwD70qFdGoi0qnTlHdl19HSkwaAuq5yOFuJiTzdRn/jIIjTxQQVH0zu1Zc5PCPXBBHnGKfd/o0RSzm4DW8vyicIVioCl0b5n/gTp/x2FR9w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/21/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I don't think it does. I think the reason it has this aura is because it's > got a user interface that emphasises making changes to the velocity of hits > over the duration of a loop/groove. Based on my own experiments the easiest > way to make a machine beat feel 'groovy' is to alter the velocities of the > notes. As a very simple example, if you've got a closed hihat sample > banging out once every sixteenth note, to make it sound groovier (to make > it sound like it is swinging, even) you alter the velocities of each hit in > a way that emphasises the underlying meter. My dad's studying jazz piano at > the moment and he was telling me about one of the things he discovered, > namely that to make certain kinds of swinging piano line you time the notes > like a metronome /but alter the velocities/. First, let us keep jazz out of this. It's interesting, but I think it clouds the issue here, as there isn't a right and wrong way to swing. Swing changes from player to player, and from era to era. John Coltrane was called "anti-jazz" for his rhythmic style at one point, but what is rhythmic heresy and destruction of the groove from one point of view, is innovation and expression from another view. As far as velocities being an essential part of creating a good groove, well that's true. But neither is it mathematically quantifiable. I like FLStudio (yes some think it is a toy) because I can draw in velocity curves really quickly, and many times very contradictory sets of velocities will work. (It is also very easy to delay a particular beat, and I often have swing vs. straight 16ths at the same time, or 16ths with different swing, or swing that is drawn in by hand at points where it feels correct.) However, as far as velocity goes, when you consider a groove as a whole, you must consider the psychoacoustic effect it creates when the brain blends the parts together, not the individual parts in their mathematical precision. And, following from this, you must especially consider things like the actual mix and the compression on the mix, which have a HUGE effect on the accents and psychoacoustic effect, but are quite hard to quantify and aren't usually considered part of the composition of the groove per se. All this stuff goes into making a good groove. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 21:41:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40800-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38220 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:41:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 38180 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:41:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:40:37 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >> > I'd argue that what makes a beat groovy are the imperfections and >> > slips in >> > timing, not the accuracy of it. That may indeed be one source of a sense of 'groove,' but it certainly doesn't explain the kind of groove you get in a hip-hop beat, or from really groovy techno, or from the Fat Freddy's Drop example that I cited earlier. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 21:38:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40799-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35583 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:39:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 35563 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:39:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:38:29 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx michael trommer wrote: > Interesting that you'd mention the mpc...The whole mpc 'groove' factor is > one that has driven tech boffins to the point of insanity...does it have an > actual built-in grooviness that other drum machines/samplers lack ? Go to > http://www.mpc-forums.com for the hilarity. I don't think it does. I think the reason it has this aura is because it's got a user interface that emphasises making changes to the velocity of hits over the duration of a loop/groove. Based on my own experiments the easiest way to make a machine beat feel 'groovy' is to alter the velocities of the notes. As a very simple example, if you've got a closed hihat sample banging out once every sixteenth note, to make it sound groovier (to make it sound like it is swinging, even) you alter the velocities of each hit in a way that emphasises the underlying meter. My dad's studying jazz piano at the moment and he was telling me about one of the things he discovered, namely that to make certain kinds of swinging piano line you time the notes like a metronome /but alter the velocities/. > I still think that an intellectual analysis of something that is so > obviously based on pure feeling is missing the point...dancing about > architecture and yadayada... I suppose I believe that 'based on pure feeling' is another way of saying 'instinctively mathematical'. Besides, the point in my case is to generate new music. If I can come up with some kind of understanding of groove from a different vantage point to 'pure feeling' then I can accentuate the 'pure feeling' aspect when I'm actually playing. I've watched more talented EDM producers than myself programme grooves in real time using an 808-style step-sequencer interface, and watching them I can tell on a 'pure feeling' basis that what they're doing has some kind of a logic to it. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 21:38:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40798-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34475 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:39:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 34465 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:39:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:38:20 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FPe41tzQkiX25CSocAwIvoQ5CahQtq65MkeZoQbQfDa1MFIv/wFDNP3w2TdmKj9jSKV7SJ+JT4M2MT/QxneSX+US2SzGJZJ+p01lUf/orDr5MRtpPZG4DqplVrdFTggiopG6FgDrmNzFGSXsj/d1I0aCWxpQOh4na7XX1rPgKBM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, I mean look at this way. In minimal techno the most simple groove is: kick on every quarter hh on every off-eighth clap on 2 and 4 What makes things groove, beyond this, is adding and subtracting from what is essentially a continuous 16th note pulse. And that's really it. I don't think you can break it down any farther. To clarify, I mean you can break that 16th note pulse in many ways - but the final result of a dense groove is that the different parts blend into a single stream of 16ths. Then in more sparse sections, parts are stripped off to reveal some simpler sub-rhythm, which typically hits on between 2 and 4 points within the space of two beats. But what makes the grooves interesting is the constant building - reducing - building - reducing to various combinations over time, not really any particular rhythm. You'll hear most all combinations within an hour or two set, typically, as we are talking about a rather limited set of permutations. Some of what really makes great grooves in this style, for me, are not just rhythms, but actually timbral and pitch modulations that push and pull in certain ways. ~David On 11/21/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Paul Sanders wrote: > > > In music a beat is not the equivalent of a mathematical point on a > > mathematical line. It has its own dimensions. No two beats are exactly > > alike. > > I'm currently reading "Unlocking the Groove" by Mark Butler, which talks > about electronic dance music (EDM) from a music-theoretical perspective. > One of the things it is pulling up is this idea that, in EDM, because of > the mechanical origin of the beats (sequencers and drum machines) actually > the beat does become the equivalent of a mathematical point on a > mathematical line. Yet, we still manage to infer groove and 'funkiness' > from a machine-generated beat that is precisely the same every time round. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 21:26:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40797-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28089 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:27:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 28077 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:27:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:26:37 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Paul Sanders wrote: > In music a beat is not the equivalent of a mathematical point on a > mathematical line. It has its own dimensions. No two beats are exactly > alike. I'm currently reading "Unlocking the Groove" by Mark Butler, which talks about electronic dance music (EDM) from a music-theoretical perspective. One of the things it is pulling up is this idea that, in EDM, because of the mechanical origin of the beats (sequencers and drum machines) actually the beat does become the equivalent of a mathematical point on a mathematical line. Yet, we still manage to infer groove and 'funkiness' from a machine-generated beat that is precisely the same every time round. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 21:25:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40796-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26542 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:25:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 26526 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:25:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:24:47 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics and dancing In-reply-to: <J92R7Q$xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <J92R7Q$xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx e.mtra_em wrote: > Hi i suggest you read ''Unlocking the GROOVE'' by Mark Butler(includ a cd) Thanks, actually I am currently reading that book and you're right, it is excellent; reading it has been part the inspiration for my question :-) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 15:38:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40795-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18345 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:38:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 18335 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:38:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:38:20 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4gziuAlT7qikdp6dVvfuMw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EDicy8Ua+tSYr7IUxIz8gYPFMJSbUNmzBEcJwA93de0Wo8qIAAEZ+9eg4EHEPglI03y9kF2SDu6QU1AqzPnbnIzTq8MeEIAH3wUyyjJZ3dwZEpPDZRBxvXdAmDQzTShkytON3vBvCjvWuX2sp4J9gP4WYn6UG4YsYv28ao7aCOQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_4gziuAlT7qikdp6dVvfuMw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, I agree. When I called such artifacts of rhythm "imperfections," it wasn't a degradation of the technique. Rather, most "perfect" beat have such "imperfect" structures inherent in them. ~Kyle On 11/21/06, Paul Sanders <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > > > On 21 Nov 2006, at 14:33, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > > I'd argue that what makes a beat groovy are the imperfections and > > slips in > > timing, not the accuracy of it. > > I think that I'd take issue with the idea here that when a performer > does not play on a mathematical time interval it should be regarded > as an imperfection or slip. I see this the other way around, that a > machine generated and regular time interval is not either the natural > or desirable state of rhythm. > > We are funky beings. We groove. But it's the 21st century, so we try > to make machines groove with us, as we want them to join us in our > world. It's sooo 20th century to want to join the machines in their > world. > > Paul > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_4gziuAlT7qikdp6dVvfuMw)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 14:45:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40794-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91363 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:45:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 91351 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:45:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:44:54 +0000 From: Paul Sanders <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 21 Nov 2006, at 14:33, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > I'd argue that what makes a beat groovy are the imperfections and > slips in > timing, not the accuracy of it. I think that I'd take issue with the idea here that when a performer does not play on a mathematical time interval it should be regarded as an imperfection or slip. I see this the other way around, that a machine generated and regular time interval is not either the natural or desirable state of rhythm. We are funky beings. We groove. But it's the 21st century, so we try to make machines groove with us, as we want them to join us in our world. It's sooo 20th century to want to join the machines in their world. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 14:34:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40793-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86851 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:34:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 86837 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:34:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:33:56 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7rlj7iZMgPb2+0dhpqpUEg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nw6KzQlxV64eU3/8/NqCoK3VJ5M+lJG4VvPWoTJQbzB3fDwNgDNRIhHAHShNK96sap6f4bfESLYDPfazxHXxc9YZvlZ9xHANfhSJYlMhMx3/hHEp54RbDaYh2YpfMzyCIE/JqvAXb0B18IsnVkoVare2My6oEl6bQPgLT4WStGM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_7rlj7iZMgPb2+0dhpqpUEg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd argue that what makes a beat groovy are the imperfections and slips in timing, not the accuracy of it. Things like hemiola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiola), a sort of rhythmic rubber band, and other techniques create tensions in the rhythm against the straight mathematical grid existing in the Platonic universe. When I program a beat using a grid, it can be intricate, but almost always is cold sounding, due to the absolute precision of the grid. When I instead play the same beat on a drum pad or keyboard to input the notes, the tiny (or HUGE) imperfections in my own timing cause a slight amount of "grooviness." I remember reading (but not where I read it) that a lot of Hip-Hop producers will create groovy beats by tapping the bassline directly into the sequencer using an MPC pad. This supports how I (and a great deal of others) feel about the matter. Hell, even listen to early vs. later Kraftwerk. At first, they were playing all their instruments by hand and had an almost jam-band Hippie feel to them. After being turned on to the sequencer (was it by Dolby?) they became the Man Machines that we all fondly remember them to be. In fact, lately I've been recording almost all of my sequences directly, rather than programming them. I enjoy the slop, especially when it's computer sounds driven by human rhythmical imprecision. ~Kyle On 11/21/06, Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Hallo, > Paul Sanders hat gesagt: // Paul Sanders wrote: > > > On 21 Nov 2006, at 05:30, David Powers wrote: > > > > >Just think about the evolution of various styles of 20th century > > >popular and urban musics - it's pretty easy to demonstrate that with > > >each style there is a different idea of what a good groove is - and > > >that's not even considering how much variation there might be within > > >any given genre. > > > > > > This lot are doing some interesting work: > > > > http://www.speech.kth.se/music/performance/performance_intro.html > > A seminal paper in this regard is Jeff A. Bilmes' "Techniques to > Foster Drum Machine Expressivity" and his respective thesis "Timing is > of the Essence" where he develops the concept of a Tatum. > > Start here and follow the references for lots of more: > http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/bilmes93techniques.html > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_7rlj7iZMgPb2+0dhpqpUEg)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 13:24:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40792-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52731 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:24:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 52717 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:24:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:21:12 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1886778.E03%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? Thread-index: AccNb+nlKKWdRXljEduTDQAWy9DJLA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Interesting that you'd mention the mpc...The whole mpc 'groove' factor is one that has driven tech boffins to the point of insanity...does it have an actual built-in grooviness that other drum machines/samplers lack ? Go to http://www.mpc-forums.com for the hilarity. I still think that an intellectual analysis of something that is so obviously based on pure feeling is missing the point...dancing about architecture and yadayada... Good luck, though. On 11/21/06 12:22 AM, "Damian Stewart" <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > michael trommer wrote: >> This is one of the most anti-groovy things I've ever read. > > Why so? > > I've developed this idea through extended listening to a local group called > Fat Freddy's Drop, who consist of a DJ playing an Akai MPC2000, a vocalist, > and between three and ten jamming musicians on guitar, horns, keys, etc. > They play a kind of music best described as a cross between dub/reggae and > hip-hop, and are almost universally considered to be both remarkably > 'funky' and deeply 'organic'. The interesting thing about their music is > that the MPC plays /all/ of the drums/percussion and /all/ of the bass; > what's more in live gigs the music is sparse so that a lot of the time the > act involves the MPC doing its thing while the rest of the band sway around > on stage in front of their mics not actually making any noise. All the > while there's a huge crowd out the front dancing the way a crowd would > normally dance to big slow dub jams. > > It all rests on the skill of the MPC programmer, of course; but before > anyone starts waving their arms around about the mythical swing of the MPC, > most often soid swing function is off, and the beats lie on a rigid metric > grid either divides in duplets or in triplets. Here you've got a metrically > precise, temporally static machine-generated groove that is both 'organic' > and 'funky' in pretty much all of the ways that matter. > > What's more the beats have a particularly polished and complete feel to > them, as though they exist in some state of minimal near-perfection. The DJ > doesn't really give interviews but the he comes across (through local > stories) as a perfectionist, always trying to strip things back to the most > minimal, the simplest and best way to articulate a groove. I don't know > about you but this sounds very much to me like the kind of language any > mathematician with a reasonably developed sense of aesthetics might use in > pruning an algorithm... especially when you couple that with the kind of > mathematics-based perfect repeatibility that digital tools like the MPC offer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 10:43:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40791-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82897 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:44:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 82885 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:44:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:42:38 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Paul Sanders hat gesagt: // Paul Sanders wrote: > On 21 Nov 2006, at 05:30, David Powers wrote: > > >Just think about the evolution of various styles of 20th century > >popular and urban musics - it's pretty easy to demonstrate that with > >each style there is a different idea of what a good groove is - and > >that's not even considering how much variation there might be within > >any given genre. > > > This lot are doing some interesting work: > > http://www.speech.kth.se/music/performance/performance_intro.html A seminal paper in this regard is Jeff A. Bilmes' "Techniques to Foster Drum Machine Expressivity" and his respective thesis "Timing is of the Essence" where he develops the concept of a Tatum. Start here and follow the references for lots of more: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/bilmes93techniques.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 09:51:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40790-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60721 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:51:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 60709 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:51:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:51:18 +0000 From: Paul Sanders <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 21 Nov 2006, at 05:30, David Powers wrote: > Just think about the evolution of various styles of 20th century > popular and urban musics - it's pretty easy to demonstrate that with > each style there is a different idea of what a good groove is - and > that's not even considering how much variation there might be within > any given genre. This lot are doing some interesting work: http://www.speech.kth.se/music/performance/performance_intro.html My own view is that groove/swing or whatever you want to call it - it being divergence from a mechanistic performance of a score - is not predictable but is capable of emulation to the degree that most listeners won't differentiate. I used to spend a long time trying to achieve a playing feel in MIDI sequencing, using timing, volume, and attack to create patterns around the beat. It was somewhat successful. The ideas that interest me: A score is a diagram - or an incomplete set of instructions - it does not play itself and what's not there is more important than what is. An idea often happens in an abstract way, like a Platonic score, perhaps. In music a beat is not the equivalent of a mathematical point on a mathematical line. It has its own dimensions. No two beats are exactly alike. Cheerio Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 09:47:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40789-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58807 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:48:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 58796 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:48:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:47:50 +0100 From: "e.mtra_em" <x.xxxx_xx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics and dancing To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <J92R7Q$xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Sensitivity: 3 X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.3 (R1) (B3pl17) X-SenderIP: 82.56.158.26 X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi i suggest you read ''Unlocking the GROOVE'' by Mark Butler(includ a cd)(INDIANA UNIVERITY PRESS)...It's a wonderful book about this subject....You'll find it at AMAZON I hope you enjoy it even it'is a deep essay Ciao Enrico (ITALY) > David Powers wrote: > > The problem is your assumption that grooves are universal ... Who > > exactly gets to judge what makes a good groove? How do you know > > everyone would agree on this? > > I don't think everyone would agree about what some 'universal' good groove > is, not at all. However I do think that within within a particular musical > genre or subgenre there is an agreement about what a good groove sounds > like - if you play a song from a particular genre of groove-based music to > a group of people who all claim to like that particular genre, then I > expect you'd find fairly consistent agreement amongst those people as to > whether that particular groove was 'good' or 'bad' or whatever. > > Moreover, speaking of my own criteria for deciding whether a groove is > 'good' or not, I believe that groove makes itself apparent in much too raw > and physical a way to be culturally determined. If it makes me feel like > dancing, then it makes me feel like dancing; I don't believe that that > aspect of 'grooviness' is culturally determined. > > In fact this 'dancing' aspect tends to heighten my belief in a mathematical > basis for groove; when I'm dancing and I slip into the > staying-out-all-night mode it's largely because the DJ is playing music > which has rhythmical patterns that resonate with particular kinds of muscle > movement. Groove-based dancing to me is all based on the circular movement > of parts of my body; it's about synchronising body motion with musical > motion in ways that make it feel effortless. To me, that implies a strong > kinetic basis for groove, which itself implies a mathematical basis. > > It is my belief that these kinetic relationships hold for all sufficiently > 'groovy' grooves. They won't have /the same/ relationships of course, and > the relationships need to be flexible enough that all sufficiently 'groovy' > grooves, as judged by a cross-section of listeners, are included. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ Perdi 2 Taglie in 60 Giorni con Perdi Peso Cerotto! Clicca qui http://click.libero.it/webnation21nov06 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 09:43:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40788-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56737 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:44:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 56726 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:44:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:43:44 +0000 From: Demi Delirium <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_kFG3JHlAjH1tHa5Pr58Q3Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=i7i9r1XzM7KBdKXg4ACTXLu3Poy6Zaj2rrVXQeakUgk5jNuW2zMvIVqhz4pKWyygUH4uYFewyeBgy8XZ9hEsqwtxggdve5gB2dNEGlJT2u8qpfehHXRGNRAFMBKHAGYT/H0/hRO3ECBkMqo8ZBJLLM3z9L+GRzhyi+ewy3jITM4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_kFG3JHlAjH1tHa5Pr58Q3Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit vijay iyer's thesis was in this area, and references others (eg Bilmes) that were/are also concerned with such matters. each html page is a chapter so you can save the whole thing. http://cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu/People/Vijay/ On 20/11/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any research into rhythm perception which talks about > possible heuristics for determining whether a 1/2/4-bar rhythmic pattern > in > 4/4 has a 'good' 'groove' or not? > > I know from my own composition efforts with looping rhythmic material > (read > 'electronic dance music') that, during the construction of a 'groove' in > 4/4 time, adding particular sounds to particular places in a pattern can > make it 'groovier', while adding the same sounds to other places in the > pattern can make it distinctly less 'groovy'. By the same token, removing > a > particular sound that is 'getting in the way of the groove' can vastly > increase the 'grooviness' of the pattern. (Sorry about the scare quotes, I > don't know any other language that would convey what I mean effectively.) > > Having done this for about four years now I've reached a point of skill > where I can do this mostly intuitively; ie, I can listen to a 'groove' and > tell in my mind (or by beatboxing with my mouth) what sounds to add, and > where to add them, to make it 'groovier'. The development of this > intuitive > skill has led me to believe that my brain is somehow hooking into the > maths > of the pattern, that said additions work to enhance certain mathematical > properties of the pattern. I'm fairly certain that a lot of the 'organic' > 'funkiness' of a good funk band is paradoxically due to the performers > being metronomically precise with their rhythms and accents, and I believe > this mathematical basis could be extended further. > > So I'm looking for some research into the heuristics of 'groove', or even > just analysis along these lines. I'm well aware that such heuristics may > not even exist, but I'd like to believe otherwise :-) > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_kFG3JHlAjH1tHa5Pr58Q3Q)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 06:19:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40787-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85004 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:19:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 84994 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:19:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:18:19 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics and dancing In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060713) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > The problem is your assumption that grooves are universal ... Who > exactly gets to judge what makes a good groove? How do you know > everyone would agree on this? I don't think everyone would agree about what some 'universal' good groove is, not at all. However I do think that within within a particular musical genre or subgenre there is an agreement about what a good groove sounds like - if you play a song from a particular genre of groove-based music to a group of people who all claim to like that particular genre, then I expect you'd find fairly consistent agreement amongst those people as to whether that particular groove was 'good' or 'bad' or whatever. Moreover, speaking of my own criteria for deciding whether a groove is 'good' or not, I believe that groove makes itself apparent in much too raw and physical a way to be culturally determined. If it makes me feel like dancing, then it makes me feel like dancing; I don't believe that that aspect of 'grooviness' is culturally determined. In fact this 'dancing' aspect tends to heighten my belief in a mathematical basis for groove; when I'm dancing and I slip into the staying-out-all-night mode it's largely because the DJ is playing music which has rhythmical patterns that resonate with particular kinds of muscle movement. Groove-based dancing to me is all based on the circular movement of parts of my body; it's about synchronising body motion with musical motion in ways that make it feel effortless. To me, that implies a strong kinetic basis for groove, which itself implies a mathematical basis. It is my belief that these kinetic relationships hold for all sufficiently 'groovy' grooves. They won't have /the same/ relationships of course, and the relationships need to be flexible enough that all sufficiently 'groovy' grooves, as judged by a cross-section of listeners, are included. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 05:53:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40786-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74702 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:53:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 74690 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:53:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:51:41 -0600 From: Rob Danielson <xxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iKey In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06230904c1883e5a26d8@[172.16.1.34]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1LMYcJkO1YeQwXrjMVUlow)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1LMYcJkO1YeQwXrjMVUlow) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 8:26 PM -0800 11/20/06, Kim Cascone wrote: >someone was asking about portable recorders...this looks sort of >interesting -- and it's only $80USD: > >http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/GEMINI-IKEY > >the spec says it records 44/16 uncompressed Interesting at $80-- probably more so than the iKeyPlus http://tinyurl.com/yxfhgn with a PIP stereo mic input for $180USD. I'm surprised they weigh 2lbs. There are a few MZ-NH700 Hi-MD recorders around for those who can get by with a PC only unit: http://shewasinc.com/Sony%20MZ-N910.html Rob D. --Boundary_(ID_1LMYcJkO1YeQwXrjMVUlow)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 05:30:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40785-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63775 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:31:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 63765 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:31:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:30:35 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h3b8ETwBXog7GMqBHZSf/IK8e6aILJhzfwNezhgaVALTgfgeMx2NuA+kAJNsrjmRINTsvBUa+ESJ4mQuMf+dTcgc0fp2YVOB74ZSI0xXL+x31C3md+jOc0R61h5jcZy5BDComfIjQyBaQXRCGmmhgyPHq1sJYX4xEnZ1ltP1boM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The problem is your assumption that grooves are universal ... Who exactly gets to judge what makes a good groove? How do you know everyone would agree on this? Just think about the evolution of various styles of 20th century popular and urban musics - it's pretty easy to demonstrate that with each style there is a different idea of what a good groove is - and that's not even considering how much variation there might be within any given genre. ~David On 11/20/06, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > michael trommer wrote: > > This is one of the most anti-groovy things I've ever read. > > Why so? > > I've developed this idea through extended listening to a local group called > Fat Freddy's Drop, who consist of a DJ playing an Akai MPC2000, a vocalist, > and between three and ten jamming musicians on guitar, horns, keys, etc. > They play a kind of music best described as a cross between dub/reggae and > hip-hop, and are almost universally considered to be both remarkably > 'funky' and deeply 'organic'. The interesting thing about their music is > that the MPC plays /all/ of the drums/percussion and /all/ of the bass; > what's more in live gigs the music is sparse so that a lot of the time the > act involves the MPC doing its thing while the rest of the band sway around > on stage in front of their mics not actually making any noise. All the > while there's a huge crowd out the front dancing the way a crowd would > normally dance to big slow dub jams. > > It all rests on the skill of the MPC programmer, of course; but before > anyone starts waving their arms around about the mythical swing of the MPC, > most often soid swing function is off, and the beats lie on a rigid metric > grid either divides in duplets or in triplets. Here you've got a metrically > precise, temporally static machine-generated groove that is both 'organic' > and 'funky' in pretty much all of the ways that matter. > > What's more the beats have a particularly polished and complete feel to > them, as though they exist in some state of minimal near-perfection. The DJ > doesn't really give interviews but the he comes across (through local > stories) as a perfectionist, always trying to strip things back to the most > minimal, the simplest and best way to articulate a groove. I don't know > about you but this sounds very much to me like the kind of language any > mathematician with a reasonably developed sense of aesthetics might use in > pruning an algorithm... especially when you couple that with the kind of > mathematics-based perfect repeatibility that digital tools like the MPC offer. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 05:23:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40784-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60190 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:23:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 60177 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:23:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:22:56 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060713) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx michael trommer wrote: > This is one of the most anti-groovy things I've ever read. Why so? I've developed this idea through extended listening to a local group called Fat Freddy's Drop, who consist of a DJ playing an Akai MPC2000, a vocalist, and between three and ten jamming musicians on guitar, horns, keys, etc. They play a kind of music best described as a cross between dub/reggae and hip-hop, and are almost universally considered to be both remarkably 'funky' and deeply 'organic'. The interesting thing about their music is that the MPC plays /all/ of the drums/percussion and /all/ of the bass; what's more in live gigs the music is sparse so that a lot of the time the act involves the MPC doing its thing while the rest of the band sway around on stage in front of their mics not actually making any noise. All the while there's a huge crowd out the front dancing the way a crowd would normally dance to big slow dub jams. It all rests on the skill of the MPC programmer, of course; but before anyone starts waving their arms around about the mythical swing of the MPC, most often soid swing function is off, and the beats lie on a rigid metric grid either divides in duplets or in triplets. Here you've got a metrically precise, temporally static machine-generated groove that is both 'organic' and 'funky' in pretty much all of the ways that matter. What's more the beats have a particularly polished and complete feel to them, as though they exist in some state of minimal near-perfection. The DJ doesn't really give interviews but the he comes across (through local stories) as a perfectionist, always trying to strip things back to the most minimal, the simplest and best way to articulate a groove. I don't know about you but this sounds very much to me like the kind of language any mathematician with a reasonably developed sense of aesthetics might use in pruning an algorithm... especially when you couple that with the kind of mathematics-based perfect repeatibility that digital tools like the MPC offer. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 04:31:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40783-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39162 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:31:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 39142 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:31:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:28:19 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C187EA93.DF5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? Thread-index: AccNJXiAt1f0V3kYEdu6gAAWy9DJLA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is one of the most anti-groovy things I've ever read. On 11/20/06 6:31 PM, "Damian Stewart" <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any research into rhythm perception which talks about > possible heuristics for determining whether a 1/2/4-bar rhythmic pattern in > 4/4 has a 'good' 'groove' or not? > > I know from my own composition efforts with looping rhythmic material (read > 'electronic dance music') that, during the construction of a 'groove' in > 4/4 time, adding particular sounds to particular places in a pattern can > make it 'groovier', while adding the same sounds to other places in the > pattern can make it distinctly less 'groovy'. By the same token, removing a > particular sound that is 'getting in the way of the groove' can vastly > increase the 'grooviness' of the pattern. (Sorry about the scare quotes, I > don't know any other language that would convey what I mean effectively.) > > Having done this for about four years now I've reached a point of skill > where I can do this mostly intuitively; ie, I can listen to a 'groove' and > tell in my mind (or by beatboxing with my mouth) what sounds to add, and > where to add them, to make it 'groovier'. The development of this intuitive > skill has led me to believe that my brain is somehow hooking into the maths > of the pattern, that said additions work to enhance certain mathematical > properties of the pattern. I'm fairly certain that a lot of the 'organic' > 'funkiness' of a good funk band is paradoxically due to the performers > being metronomically precise with their rhythms and accents, and I believe > this mathematical basis could be extended further. > > So I'm looking for some research into the heuristics of 'groove', or even > just analysis along these lines. I'm well aware that such heuristics may > not even exist, but I'd like to believe otherwise :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 21 04:26:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40782-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36613 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:26:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 36602 invoked from network); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:26:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:26:06 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iKey To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vfF+DtYAX0/g4KERwXA9bw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vfF+DtYAX0/g4KERwXA9bw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit someone was asking about portable recorders...this looks sort of interesting -- and it's only $80USD: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/GEMINI-IKEY the spec says it records 44/16 uncompressed --Boundary_(ID_vfF+DtYAX0/g4KERwXA9bw)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 20 23:31:53 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40781-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63336 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:32:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 63312 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:32:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:31:18 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] AI & rhythm perception - 'groove' heuristics? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx-xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, Does anyone know of any research into rhythm perception which talks about possible heuristics for determining whether a 1/2/4-bar rhythmic pattern in 4/4 has a 'good' 'groove' or not? I know from my own composition efforts with looping rhythmic material (read 'electronic dance music') that, during the construction of a 'groove' in 4/4 time, adding particular sounds to particular places in a pattern can make it 'groovier', while adding the same sounds to other places in the pattern can make it distinctly less 'groovy'. By the same token, removing a particular sound that is 'getting in the way of the groove' can vastly increase the 'grooviness' of the pattern. (Sorry about the scare quotes, I don't know any other language that would convey what I mean effectively.) Having done this for about four years now I've reached a point of skill where I can do this mostly intuitively; ie, I can listen to a 'groove' and tell in my mind (or by beatboxing with my mouth) what sounds to add, and where to add them, to make it 'groovier'. The development of this intuitive skill has led me to believe that my brain is somehow hooking into the maths of the pattern, that said additions work to enhance certain mathematical properties of the pattern. I'm fairly certain that a lot of the 'organic' 'funkiness' of a good funk band is paradoxically due to the performers being metronomically precise with their rhythms and accents, and I believe this mathematical basis could be extended further. So I'm looking for some research into the heuristics of 'groove', or even just analysis along these lines. I'm well aware that such heuristics may not even exist, but I'd like to believe otherwise :-) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 20 17:35:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40780-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24327 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:35:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 24316 invoked from network); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:35:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:35:12 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Matthias Loibner: tiny hurdy gurdy concert To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Great use of hurdy-gurdy with Bidule: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKQf-JIvRU Rod --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Sat Nov 18 13:02:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40779-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91812 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:02:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 91802 invoked from network); Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:02:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: guiver ben <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] request for technical information In-reply-to: <1CFAD01.BDA9%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=woHHWOUvh4bYDEd9ceDbNk9DnQ3Io6YFAsr4HuqLitqIfQMEM0cVztujZ38s9YtiFUSoPBq9bQ3sCAcsbSU3YcWufY3VOHgpj4mBwWiwecOb0Xu4zf7drKuRKsakh5alKuqlYFbW3ekbOEuUmxI21QuY4dCMaDZnXMIn4PwRiCc=; X-YMail-OSG: r3.P5vAVM1nAer60GDXTGEvuC8fPuORuO2ADUsNM X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear Microsounders, hello. sorry but does anyone know if an audiowerk 8 soundcard will work in a mac g4 running osX please? best ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. 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Sat Nov 18 06:06:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40778-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43578 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:06:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 43567 invoked from network); Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:06:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:06:23 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Tactical sound garden To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: ChzB3eAVM1nYlnO_VLnHXyHF20912ouRGYzXX5e4WLA3mjPorg7v6BE9Z2pfTM60STVY7RlWqBnC07RyPff5H6Fmvdhh24DL.OazeY.S.ROrm8SQndZ4fw-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Worth watching the video... http://www.tacticalsoundgarden.net/# Given the ubiquity of mobile devices and wireless networks, and their proliferation throughout increasingly diverse and sometimes unexpected urban sites, what opportunities - and dilemmas - emerge for the design of public space in contemporary cities? The Tactical Sound Garden [TSG] Toolkit is an open source software platform for cultivating public "sound gardens" within contemporary cities. It draws on the culture of urban community gardening to posit a participatory environment where new spatial practices for social interaction within technologically mediated environments can be explored and evaluated. Addressing the impact of mobile audio devices like the iPod, the project examines gradations of privacy and publicity within contemporary public space. The Toolkit enables anyone living within dense 802.11 wireless (WiFi) "hot zones" to install a "sound garden" for public use. Using a WiFi enabled mobile device (PDA, laptop, mobile phone), participants "plant" sounds within a positional audio environment. These plantings are mapped onto the coordinates of a physical location by a 3D audio engine common to gaming environments - overlaying a publicly constructed soundscape onto a specific urban space. Wearing headphones connected to a WiFi enabled device, participants drift though virtual sound gardens as they move throughout the city. Rod --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Nov 17 06:07:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40777-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45464 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:07:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 45452 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:07:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:07:43 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] toronto: I/o friday november 17th In-reply-to: <C1828D82.DAA%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1828D82.DAA%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm there. but unfortunately you'll suffer the kim casone wrath of the whole (ridiculous) 'posting on the microsound list and not the microsound- announce list...' g. On 16-Nov-06, at 9:49 PM, michael trommer wrote: > Hey y'all... > > i/o media...aboveground. > Come get your geek on. > > friday november 17th, 9-11pm > interaccess electronic media arts centre > 9 ossington ave. (just north of queen) > > ...pay what you can. > > Beer: $3 > > i/o media...an electronic audiovisual improvisation project featuring: > > Rob Cruickshank > Rob King > Kristin Trethewey > Michael Trommer > David McCallum > Oliver Heinrich > Roxanne Luchak > VJ Nokami > Sarah Mooney > Brendan Wypich > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Nov 17 02:52:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40776-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78536 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:52:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 78526 invoked from network); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:52:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:49:54 -0500 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] toronto: I/o friday november 17th In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1828D82.DAA%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: toronto: I/o friday november 17th Thread-index: AccJ8w8yTd+FO3XmEduf9QAWy9DJLA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hey y'all... i/o media...aboveground. Come get your geek on. friday november 17th, 9-11pm interaccess electronic media arts centre 9 ossington ave. (just north of queen) ....pay what you can. Beer: $3 i/o media...an electronic audiovisual improvisation project featuring: Rob Cruickshank Rob King Kristin Trethewey Michael Trommer David McCallum Oliver Heinrich Roxanne Luchak VJ Nokami Sarah Mooney Brendan Wypich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 15 12:04:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40775-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79783 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:03:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 79767 invoked from network); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:03:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:03:49 +0000 From: jigen san <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=4UF1nSfldlHPRHAEgyVUl9crlhVLOOvgbqkc7M4sDrMB/V8AiCqp7VniLJBnAofB6lPkt5KeIxkMTDa1qleSjihekpWjiKtc2u4muWoW0/QmrgB1FiSGVXZHJ76c/nys722wdUYq0ijRe3h52/dAmlbeh03rXMIc+RCKM8UpyUI= ; X-YMail-OSG: bQEbUfoVM1miGd4MJ7imY9WcXseE6EMfzkMPnsHGnqbaMb3gAbhE56GGv00lKKloM5Q6NlzfjcTCZx7ArEKCVs.NPA3uVGvThSALhyP7GYC_KK8dizI- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx nice info about it on this page. [im after the korg mr 1] http://www.unipv.it/cibra/edu_equipment_uk.html#reco hope it helps. jigen On 13 Nov 2006, at 14:38, triPhaze | Marek Brandt wrote: > ... > > what else is out there right now? >> g. > > > Hello. > when its not too late, check for equipment > this link: > http://soundtransit.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2 > its a topic about find web sites to help > people choose an inexpensive field recorder > > greetings. > Marek > > -- > adventures in contemporary art & music & video > > .............. www.privatelektro.de ............................. > > ............... www.marek-brandt.de ........................... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 14 21:46:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40774-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60875 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:46:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 60864 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:45:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] reminder! In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ai5H0DOqE6hpSK9yi87xqIN7O0puJa7zLMS6EpC5irxhrrHh5dChcul1nxtOzE8BKWMtbKpQxfGYRrrfY5LTDxaMxDDxaCbcDlgCc0alw3KbQ4GJsEM7Qvc91n6N3aTvFT7Rkg3Pq9CM87zIiTz6yyfk0YpTIpa05GryKBSfi2M= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what about bicycle motor crossing ? --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > what about cross-dressing? > > On 14-Nov-06, at 3:58 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > > all calls for projects, job opportunities, > promotional postings etc > > etc belong on the microsound announce list – not > this one! > > please read the microsound web page!: > > > >> you can also subscribe to the microsound-announce > list that holds > >> show announcements, music releases, podcasts and > anything that's > >> not aesthetic discussion. > > > > > > AND NO CROSS-POSTING!! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? 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Tue Nov 14 21:17:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40773-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46800 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:16:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 46754 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:16:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:16:33 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] reminder! In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what about cross-dressing? On 14-Nov-06, at 3:58 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > all calls for projects, job opportunities, promotional postings etc > etc belong on the microsound announce list – not this one! > please read the microsound web page!: > >> you can also subscribe to the microsound-announce list that holds >> show announcements, music releases, podcasts and anything that's >> not aesthetic discussion. > > > AND NO CROSS-POSTING!! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 14 20:58:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40772-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37714 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:58:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 37704 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:58:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:58:34 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] reminder! To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx all calls for projects, job opportunities, promotional postings etc etc belong on the microsound announce list – not this one! please read the microsound web page!: > you can also subscribe to the microsound-announce list that holds > show announcements, music releases, podcasts and anything that's > not aesthetic discussion. 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Tue Nov 14 20:39:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40771-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28435 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:39:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 28423 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:39:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:39:06 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] New Email Address In-reply-to: <xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l5tJLCPQTJQ1+FwSZ093Ow66kNl+fPOfPzUCj4Du8hw6gvdPsHt+3FeCYyz4ndzC/wxCLq7Xizs1WwegtNA6MoSPB0YEc8UOaWW7IBl/lT0T1CRHK026zKNc+JchKhJnz2kvmwvMN/Wkg5Bn2lFgbV10812MhmAQaR26yQUxd+k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 11/14/06, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > Anyway Time Warner represent all that is bad in America. i thought that was GWB ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 14 20:25:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40770-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18831 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:25:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 18820 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:25:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:21:28 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] New Email Address To: xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxx_xxxx@xxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxx_xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx, xxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx, xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxx.x@xxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx, xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx, xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx, xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx Cc: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5019 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pgT2Tjvx4XRd6xEiOyXJWQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_pgT2Tjvx4XRd6xEiOyXJWQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please use _xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx_ (mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx) For the time being because, we are going to change providers, since AOL give us such rubbish service on dial up (it's taken all night to get online) and when we go Broadband we are not using them again!!!. Anyway Time Warner represent all that is bad in America. Cheers Chrisb --Boundary_(ID_pgT2Tjvx4XRd6xEiOyXJWQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 14 01:32:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40769-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86848 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:32:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 86837 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:32:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:32:01 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Neural Noise In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fo6m09YBLYwtHCPHm1sWlw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lmLKQNR5FGbGGVyjM2fDcOZzGsNgcLEezLuX3ju3bFHNyN9dfl1oz7Lu0twX7+kIn/niwLZqbSHW12wz6czNcyIJLvNfOsq2jnjWCHc5KjcOEyHHAhFPNmSH/D1rd1SKqfUwhDnm+gz60gm4BbMYbbOgLGDOXzkqVW8uEq29sRY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fo6m09YBLYwtHCPHm1sWlw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this looks like one of those paradoxes generated by the assumptions researchers import from one scale of analysis into another--more an epistemological problem than anything else. on the order of the problems that henri atlan takes apart in his "from enlightenment to enlightenment" book. the problem would be dragging conceptions of pattern from one register into another, or taking the experience patterned at the level of conscious operations and applying them unwittingly (as a frame assumption) to thinking about how other levels of brain activity unfold--which would be like applying propositional logic to all forms of patterning organized via language--it makes some sense that one would do it, but it also would just as obviously create problems insofar as you would only find what you were looking for. have a look at the work of fransisco varela sometime for thinking about how brain activity works. it seems that his model would have generated fewer "paradoxes"... stephen --Boundary_(ID_fo6m09YBLYwtHCPHm1sWlw)-- From ???@??? Tue Nov 14 01:23:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40768-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82763 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:23:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 82752 invoked from network); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:23:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:23:38 +0100 (CET) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Neural Noise In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://www.physorg.com/news82389042.html *snip* What's next might be to use this Bayesian model to accomplish exactly what every botnet is straining at - to sneak suggestion past the outer edge. I don't know how forward I look to inescapable advertisement where it's mathematicians designing the most effective information. -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 23:17:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40767-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26178 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:17:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 26156 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:17:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:16:59 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Battery can just be charged via USB i think this is not the case, there's an ac adaptor included, but the battery is propietary... > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 23:14:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40766-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24188 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:14:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 24178 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:14:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:14:07 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Neural Noise To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MZenx6QRPg2l6wTEcCcCUQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_MZenx6QRPg2l6wTEcCcCUQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.physorg.com/news82389042.html > Researchers at the University of Rochester may have answered one > of neuroscience's most vexing questions—how can it be that our > neurons, which are responsible for our crystal-clear thoughts, seem > to fire in utterly random ways? > --Boundary_(ID_MZenx6QRPg2l6wTEcCcCUQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 22:40:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40765-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8638 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:40:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 8628 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:40:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:40:24 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx great stuff aaron! i also might add that i've always really enjoyed your website and your work. it has really been inspirational:-) all the best graham On 13-Nov-06, at 4:18 PM, Aaron Ximm wrote: > Fwiw I have extensive advice about this topic up here: > > http://www.quietamerican.org/links.html > > To the relief of many I won't once again recap what I write there, > other > than to suggest that HiMD is still a very attractive option -- > depending > on your neeeds. > > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 21:18:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40763-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65135 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 65122 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2191/Mon Nov 13 10:37:53 2006 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Fwiw I have extensive advice about this topic up here: http://www.quietamerican.org/links.html To the relief of many I won't once again recap what I write there, other than to suggest that HiMD is still a very attractive option -- depending on your neeeds. aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 21:17:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40762-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63487 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:16:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 63420 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:16:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:16:35 +0100 From: "sascha.renner" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? X-Originating-IP: [80.109.59.254] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16 (webedge20-101-1106-20040809) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ok, I made a test with some waterdrops falling into a pot of water and I must admit, that the only satisfying results could be achieved with 96kHz/24bit, and there I got very good not noisy recordings. but - at 44,1kHz and 48kHz there was a slight audible high tone (easy to filter out, but nasty anyhow) so I have learned to do all silent/subtle recordingsin 96kHz/24bit (glad I did this test), but then I can achieve really satisfying results (but the recording time is cutted down) I have a 1GB card, so it´s not so bad (about 33 minutes recording time), as I don´t intend to sit hours in the dark forrest anywhere. hope my little test could help anybody. cheers sascha > > Von: "Kyle Klipowicz" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Datum: 2006/11/13 Mo PM 04:58:23 CET > An: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Betreff: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? > > Please run these tests if you can, and report back to the list if you'd be > so kind. I've read some very mixed reviews about this unit, which could be > a godsend if the problems posted in reviews are spurious ones! (see > http://www.samedaymusic.com/productreview--ZOMH4) > > Are there any other recommendations? > > ~Kyle > > > > On 11/13/06, sascha. renner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > > > I have the ZOOM H4 now for about 3 weeks and I really like it. > > It is the cheapest of all flash recorders, has the XLR inputs with > > phantompower you need and > > the quality is ok for me. You can carry it always around with you as it is > > little enough and the mics are not too bad I think (I have to test them in > > a critical situation, like low volume > > source material, to find out if the amps are noisy or not; till now I > > could not detect any noise coming from the > > amps but I recorded not very quiet things). > > I don´t think you do anything wrong in purchasing the H4, but if you are > > interested, I try to record some low volume material to find out more about > > the mic-amps (I could even give you a link to the results if it helps) > > cheers > > sascha > > > > > > > > Von: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> > > > Datum: 2006/11/13 Mo PM 03:38:28 CET > > > An: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > Betreff: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > what else is out there right now? > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sascha-neudeck.com > > http://myspace.com/saschaneudeck > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > http://www.sascha-neudeck.com http://myspace.com/saschaneudeck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 21:21:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40764-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67189 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:20:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 67176 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:20:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:09:31 +0000 From: Owen Green <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 3YN1dLIVM1lTJf9Hqdc8Gq.aUk5ETGd8npE8EEu8MhWc.AGb5udq2xWbUoeZKeg1usZj2WetIE612A.KnSRiE8FkATNJPlU0tLBYiLWqrwi_xysNxNeKzwo0_QKZMOrOjEqCqrxn3R6StCLYplF2.r.T3o27VSBy X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Graham, These little boxes tend only to provide what is called 'plug in power', which delivers 9 or 15V (or something like that) suitable for little electrets, but obviously no help for studio mics that expect 48v, leaving you needing an additional pre-amp / phantom supply. -- Owen Graham Miller wrote: > i think i'm leaning toward that m-audio box... what's the deal with > those 1/4 inch mic inputs though that are supposed to provide phantom > power? do you just use some kind of converter pin to XLRs? > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 20:47:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40761-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43796 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:41:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 43786 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:41:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:41:10 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] T-Shirt as wearable air guitar interface In-reply-to: <000001c7075b$04499ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GhFqi+04GAPB1dR5wpAFYw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000001c7075b$04499ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GhFqi+04GAPB1dR5wpAFYw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Eloy Anzola wrote: > Here's the site with video examples: > http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps29y,,.html > > Here's the BBC article: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6143118.stm > > > cheers, > > Eloy whew, good to know you still look like an idiot playing it! cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick --Boundary_(ID_GhFqi+04GAPB1dR5wpAFYw)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 19:36:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40760-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99421 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 99401 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:36:28 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] T-Shirt as wearable air guitar interface To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c7075b$04499ce0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JO61YAORLoro4+lTAPEg7A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AccHWwN8fVbzCHVwRgGeL+S+8ek4fA== X-DCC--Metrics: ss73.shared.server-system.net 1368; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_JO61YAORLoro4+lTAPEg7A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the site with video examples: http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps29y,,.html Here's the BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6143118.stm cheers, Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_JO61YAORLoro4+lTAPEg7A)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 17:10:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40759-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23579 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:10:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 23569 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:10:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:10:23 -0500 From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i highly recommend the edirol r-09...love mine...quick and simple, and the built-in mics actually sound great. > > From: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> > Date: 2006/11/13 Mon AM 09:38:28 EST > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Subject: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? > > ... > > what else is out there right now? > > > > g. > > > Hello. > when its not too late, check for equipment > this link: > http://soundtransit.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2 > its a topic about find web sites to help > people choose an inexpensive field recorder > > greetings. > Marek > > -- > adventures in contemporary art & music & video > > .............. www.privatelektro.de ............................. > > ............... www.marek-brandt.de ........................... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 17:22:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40758-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15384 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:54:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 15369 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:54:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:54:25 +0100 From: Peter Plessas <xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Scanner: SpamAssassin 3.001007 X-Spam-Score-relay: -2.6 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 129.27.10.18 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060810 Debian/1.7.13-0.3 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Graham, A friend of mine reported the phantom power being definitely lower than 48V, so you might double-check your mic's specs. Other disadvantages: Long startup time (12 secs) Battery can just be charged via USB i think PS: the jacks are stereo jacks, thus providing the same connection as XLRs, but you have to get/make an adapter cable. lg,P Graham Miller wrote: > i think i'm leaning toward that m-audio box... what's the deal with > those 1/4 inch mic inputs though that are supposed to provide phantom > power? do you just use some kind of converter pin to XLRs? > > g. > > On 13-Nov-06, at 10:37 AM, sascha.renner wrote: > >> I have the ZOOM H4 now for about 3 weeks and I really like it. >> It is the cheapest of all flash recorders, has the XLR inputs with >> phantompower you need and >> the quality is ok for me. You can carry it always around with you as >> it is >> little enough and the mics are not too bad I think (I have to test >> them in a critical situation, like low volume >> source material, to find out if the amps are noisy or not; till now I >> could not detect any noise coming from the >> amps but I recorded not very quiet things). >> I don´t think you do anything wrong in purchasing the H4, but if you >> are interested, I try to record some low volume material to find out >> more about the mic-amps (I could even give you a link to the results >> if it helps) >> cheers >> sascha >> >>> >>> Von: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> >>> Datum: 2006/11/13 Mo PM 03:38:28 CET >>> An: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> Betreff: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? >>> >>> ... >>> >>> what else is out there right now? >>> >>>> >>>> g. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> http://www.sascha-neudeck.com >> http://myspace.com/saschaneudeck >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 17:16:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40757-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11810 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:48:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 11774 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:48:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:48:30 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i think i'm leaning toward that m-audio box... what's the deal with those 1/4 inch mic inputs though that are supposed to provide phantom power? do you just use some kind of converter pin to XLRs? g. On 13-Nov-06, at 10:37 AM, sascha.renner wrote: > I have the ZOOM H4 now for about 3 weeks and I really like it. > It is the cheapest of all flash recorders, has the XLR inputs with > phantompower you need and > the quality is ok for me. You can carry it always around with you > as it is > little enough and the mics are not too bad I think (I have to test > them in a critical situation, like low volume > source material, to find out if the amps are noisy or not; till now > I could not detect any noise coming from the > amps but I recorded not very quiet things). > I don´t think you do anything wrong in purchasing the H4, but if > you are interested, I try to record some low volume material to > find out more about the mic-amps (I could even give you a link to > the results if it helps) > cheers > sascha > >> >> Von: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> >> Datum: 2006/11/13 Mo PM 03:38:28 CET >> An: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Betreff: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? >> >> ... >> >> what else is out there right now? >>> >>> g. >> >> > > > http://www.sascha-neudeck.com > http://myspace.com/saschaneudeck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 15:59:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40756-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87286 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:58:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 87274 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:58:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:58:23 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_D1+Z2Q9LAc7bL5Q8QvaIRg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Y1rsB7caBhZ5bM1f0+ANuuxlRSYc2cWHmscngj8rPYUERr5kjHlDpKSBWHjrJz23hv+yHvGvRrqDY4cn3oZxEJ6nNo9vc5qyFwbVt0s9hhC0wrcnabIxRz+QckXC9DbMhC8/4gwWFTxLRXnP64hlpAIyMd5pUo2vihorAo6iHTM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_D1+Z2Q9LAc7bL5Q8QvaIRg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please run these tests if you can, and report back to the list if you'd be so kind. I've read some very mixed reviews about this unit, which could be a godsend if the problems posted in reviews are spurious ones! (see http://www.samedaymusic.com/productreview--ZOMH4) Are there any other recommendations? ~Kyle On 11/13/06, sascha. renner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > I have the ZOOM H4 now for about 3 weeks and I really like it. > It is the cheapest of all flash recorders, has the XLR inputs with > phantompower you need and > the quality is ok for me. You can carry it always around with you as it is > little enough and the mics are not too bad I think (I have to test them in > a critical situation, like low volume > source material, to find out if the amps are noisy or not; till now I > could not detect any noise coming from the > amps but I recorded not very quiet things). > I don´t think you do anything wrong in purchasing the H4, but if you are > interested, I try to record some low volume material to find out more about > the mic-amps (I could even give you a link to the results if it helps) > cheers > sascha > > > > > Von: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> > > Datum: 2006/11/13 Mo PM 03:38:28 CET > > An: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Betreff: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? > > > > ... > > > > what else is out there right now? > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > http://www.sascha-neudeck.com > http://myspace.com/saschaneudeck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_D1+Z2Q9LAc7bL5Q8QvaIRg)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 15:38:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40755-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75825 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:37:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 75813 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:37:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:37:27 +0100 From: "sascha.renner" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? X-Originating-IP: [160.62.4.10] To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16 (webedge20-101-1106-20040809) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have the ZOOM H4 now for about 3 weeks and I really like it. It is the cheapest of all flash recorders, has the XLR inputs with phantompower you need and the quality is ok for me. You can carry it always around with you as it is little enough and the mics are not too bad I think (I have to test them in a critical situation, like low volume source material, to find out if the amps are noisy or not; till now I could not detect any noise coming from the amps but I recorded not very quiet things). I don´t think you do anything wrong in purchasing the H4, but if you are interested, I try to record some low volume material to find out more about the mic-amps (I could even give you a link to the results if it helps) cheers sascha > > Von: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> > Datum: 2006/11/13 Mo PM 03:38:28 CET > An: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Betreff: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? > > ... > > what else is out there right now? > > > > g. > > http://www.sascha-neudeck.com http://myspace.com/saschaneudeck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 13 14:38:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40754-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47090 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:38:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 47073 invoked from network); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:38:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:38:28 +0100 From: triPhaze | Marek Brandt <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] re: a good mobile field sound recorder? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Organization: www.privatelektro.de MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0648-0, 12.11.2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx .... what else is out there right now? > > g. Hello. when its not too late, check for equipment this link: http://soundtransit.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2 its a topic about find web sites to help people choose an inexpensive field recorder greetings. Marek -- adventures in contemporary art & music & video ............... www.privatelektro.de ............................. ................ www.marek-brandt.de ........................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Nov 10 22:02:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40752-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59011 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:01:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 58997 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:01:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:01:53 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] momus and glitch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PO49V4GUK+Vzk0t61fLP2g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IzjlHjvfcCURaffIIHq8J8cgSm65XdqijoHy3vCw7spjH4YusY3cyO8SQlll8eQ1cmi9peZw+Ui2cX1qpAsS6zHyx053Flg+JOQBTr42QAzCe07qj5zjeKNtqJ1thQQxs9XFDXvXL0hHkua5ll3a8iA5qJTA7dvfAjm33qzAfNo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_PO49V4GUK+Vzk0t61fLP2g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I've also experimented quite a bit with some of the radio dramas in my podcast, The Radio Project. I really wanted to sound like an old timey golden age show, so I used all sorts of these techniques: EQ, compression, noise, sampling of old sound sources at their "quiet" moments, and even a great free plugin from iZotope that does a good job for lots of things. I wish I could afford to record to wax cylinder or 78 rpm shellac and then resample, but I'm fresh out of college and don't have that cash! ~Kyle On 11/10/06, $B%K%3%i%9!&%1%s%H(B <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > For what it's worth, I myself come from a film music background (with > a short career in non-musical film sound during the mid 1980s). I > very much see this specific example in relation to the standard > telephone filter "effect" or recipe. That is to EQ a sound, primarily > voice and mix in audio sound effects to simulate the origin of > normally recorded material, be it telephone, CB Radio, or old record. > > > > > Btw: it would be very interesting to write a cultural history of said > > Korg D-12 patch "Analog crackle". Any starting points? > > Well from a technological history standpoint I first encountered a > commercial tool like that in the 1998 release of Opcode's Fusion > Vinyl plugin. On the other hand, it didn't meet my standards when I > needed the "authenticity" of a 78 disk. So after getting it on some > sort of discount deal and trying it I then wound up having to rig up > a 78 turntable and examining shellac discs for long lead outs to > compile into a track to be mixed with an EQed and compressed original. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_PO49V4GUK+Vzk0t61fLP2g)-- From ???@??? Fri Nov 10 21:54:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40751-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53868 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:53:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 53858 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:53:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:53:51 -0500 From: =?UTF-8?B?44OL44Kz44Op44K544O744Kx44Oz44OI?= <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] momus and glitch To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Hi! > > Thanks! That's an interesting article. I especially love the frankness > of Momus' writing e.g. in > > "I added analog crackle to music ... To summon an idea of authenticity > (and yet underline, ironically, the fakeness of all such summonings" sounds very "classic" post-modern. > > But I am a bit in doubt about the relationship to the aesthetics of > failure. D-12 "Analog crackle" is not an error, rupture or violation - > it's crackling by intention without hurting anything (a CD or digital > file structure). Maybe one c/should call this "fashion of failure"? I see what he'd doing as a method to simulate audio from a specific context. So I can see how it could be a tangent to "the aesthetics of failure", from what I know of it. I agree that I'm in doubt as to it being a really valid example. As he says himself, his idea it seems is closely related with the aesthetics of (in)authenticity. (Can's Ethnologic Forgeries anyone?) For what it's worth, I myself come from a film music background (with a short career in non-musical film sound during the mid 1980s). I very much see this specific example in relation to the standard telephone filter "effect" or recipe. That is to EQ a sound, primarily voice and mix in audio sound effects to simulate the origin of normally recorded material, be it telephone, CB Radio, or old record. > > Btw: it would be very interesting to write a cultural history of said > Korg D-12 patch "Analog crackle". Any starting points? Well from a technological history standpoint I first encountered a commercial tool like that in the 1998 release of Opcode's Fusion Vinyl plugin. On the other hand, it didn't meet my standards when I needed the "authenticity" of a 78 disk. So after getting it on some sort of discount deal and trying it I then wound up having to rig up a 78 turntable and examining shellac discs for long lead outs to compile into a track to be mixed with an EQed and compressed original. nicholas d. kent http://nickkent.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Nov 10 15:44:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40750-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57795 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:44:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 57784 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:44:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:44:14 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] momus and glitch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZO5BDYcsXDivs5xL4QL5ig)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DHniTK+RcEYz36Dr9apOs7WVKCyxHSsfzVa6zgrJTyYGMeo77r1lIcJAT1HlaNRlUgWZkCGViTZ0GQmvdbwsz3OG2ZsH+9LYNpPfFOTHEls9TXGnzN/Jo0ShkkewuBIVHmdtK2fj5keF08936QZqmmYbFR0y9j0MZBY8siqgISw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ZO5BDYcsXDivs5xL4QL5ig) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How ironic that I just discovered Momus' blog yesterday, and also find myself in that boat of noise-floor fetishists! Thanks for the article, sans-BoingBoing even! ~Kyle On 11/10/06, Benedikt Koehler <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Hi! > > Thanks! That's an interesting article. I especially love the frankness > of Momus' writing e.g. in > > "I added analog crackle to music ... To summon an idea of authenticity > (and yet underline, ironically, the fakeness of all such summonings" > > But I am a bit in doubt about the relationship to the aesthetics of > failure. D-12 "Analog crackle" is not an error, rupture or violation - > it's crackling by intention without hurting anything (a CD or digital > file structure). Maybe one c/should call this "fashion of failure"? > > Btw: it would be very interesting to write a cultural history of said > Korg D-12 patch "Analog crackle". Any starting points? > > Best > Benedikt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_ZO5BDYcsXDivs5xL4QL5ig)-- From ???@??? Fri Nov 10 12:32:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40749-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80629 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:32:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 80607 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:32:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:32:30 +0100 From: Benedikt Koehler <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] momus and glitch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X11jXl2V+RjC9VixBX43aCtPeTF2HWL4tusNyNClTxH5+uyHpOndTIEh8Vy2ryeIWVwlqqmsj6+xxFB0GRHKCWteOctvyf8ECvNjnsKalBCBAcfJsnc35M5zabnAHK5ZKq71Qrdn5HJf/f5dnrSdGI1oSZIJ6J1oJQw5qIIcWIc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi! Thanks! That's an interesting article. I especially love the frankness of Momus' writing e.g. in "I added analog crackle to music ... To summon an idea of authenticity (and yet underline, ironically, the fakeness of all such summonings" But I am a bit in doubt about the relationship to the aesthetics of failure. D-12 "Analog crackle" is not an error, rupture or violation - it's crackling by intention without hurting anything (a CD or digital file structure). Maybe one c/should call this "fashion of failure"? Btw: it would be very interesting to write a cultural history of said Korg D-12 patch "Analog crackle". Any starting points? Best Benedikt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Nov 10 12:17:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40748-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75615 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:16:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 75602 invoked from network); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:16:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:16:55 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] momus and glitch To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NSUOFzSl1XKhyXxxeIdYkA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_NSUOFzSl1XKhyXxxeIdYkA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://wired.com/news/columns/0,72048-0.html?tw=wn_index_24 I would have fwd'd this even if I hadn't been mentioned -- I swear! no really! :) --Boundary_(ID_NSUOFzSl1XKhyXxxeIdYkA)-- From ???@??? Thu Nov 9 14:50:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40747-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70276 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:50:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 70263 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:50:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:50:16 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cut synthesis In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes, but to make something good will require some effort. in the max msp examples there is something and there are also some patches floating about, basically some beat cutters, for the generating you'd add some probabilty tables. it's a nice first project, you can addapt the sc code or look into collin's articles for some pseudo code. best isjtar Op 9-nov-06, om 12:19 heeft Raül Fuentes het volgende geschreven: > hello all, a few questions: > > can i create interactive algorithmic audio cut generators with max/ > msp ? and reaktor? similar to bbcut for supercollider...any > suggestion? > > raül --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 9 11:52:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40746-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99716 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:51:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 99703 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:51:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:51:53 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html. > it's not bad, but the pre-amps are weak. more importantly, the boot sequence is something like 12 seconds if i remember correctly; way to long if you're to catch something quick. mine was stolen from my hotelroom with all sounds on it when i was traveling through china : ( --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 9 11:20:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40745-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88933 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:19:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 88919 invoked from network); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:19:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:19:41 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Fuentes?= <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] cut synthesis X-Originating-IP: [80.58.240.107] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FduS/6JZbtCm38f1LCn2pA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 11:19:50.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F9E6F0:01C703F0] --Boundary_(ID_FduS/6JZbtCm38f1LCn2pA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello all, a few questions: can i create interactive algorithmic audio cut generators with max/msp ? and reaktor? similar to bbcut for supercollider...any suggestion? raül --Boundary_(ID_FduS/6JZbtCm38f1LCn2pA)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 8 19:54:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40744-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16115 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:54:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 16105 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:54:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a good mobile field sound recorder? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have the Edirol R1 .. so far it has done me right. Adrian --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > i have the edirol r-09...no xlr inputs, but a mighty fine sound and > very quick, simple operation (doesn't matter to some but does to me > as i often catch stuff on the fly). > > check out taperssection.com...lots of good info about these devices > there. > > > > From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > > Date: 2006/11/08 Wed PM 02:16:27 EST > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Subject: [microsound] a good mobile field sound recorder? > > > > i know edirol makes ones. and then there's this zoom one: > > > > > http://www.musiciansbuy.com/ZOOM-H4-Portable-4-Track-Digital-Recorder- > > > w2-mic-and-Free-Headphones-H4KIT.html > > > > and also the m-audio microtrack one looks pretty cool too: > > > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html. > > > > anyone had luck with any of the products? basically, i'm looking > for > > something small with XLR mic inputs and 24bit stereo audio... > > > > what else is out there right now? > > > > g. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 8 19:19:26 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40743-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94269 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:19:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 94257 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:19:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:19:11 -0500 From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] a good mobile field sound recorder? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx-xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i have the edirol r-09...no xlr inputs, but a mighty fine sound and very quick, simple operation (doesn't matter to some but does to me as i often catch stuff on the fly). check out taperssection.com...lots of good info about these devices there. > > From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > Date: 2006/11/08 Wed PM 02:16:27 EST > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: [microsound] a good mobile field sound recorder? > > i know edirol makes ones. and then there's this zoom one: > > http://www.musiciansbuy.com/ZOOM-H4-Portable-4-Track-Digital-Recorder- > w2-mic-and-Free-Headphones-H4KIT.html > > and also the m-audio microtrack one looks pretty cool too: > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html. > > anyone had luck with any of the products? basically, i'm looking for > something small with XLR mic inputs and 24bit stereo audio... > > what else is out there right now? > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 8 19:16:47 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40742-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91768 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:16:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 91758 invoked from network); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:16:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:16:27 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] a good mobile field sound recorder? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i know edirol makes ones. and then there's this zoom one: http://www.musiciansbuy.com/ZOOM-H4-Portable-4-Track-Digital-Recorder- w2-mic-and-Free-Headphones-H4KIT.html and also the m-audio microtrack one looks pretty cool too: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html. anyone had luck with any of the products? basically, i'm looking for something small with XLR mic inputs and 24bit stereo audio... what else is out there right now? g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 7 14:30:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40741-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70969 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:29:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 70959 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:29:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:29:35 -0500 From: Jim Lee <xxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Eavesdropping: A Memoir of Blindness and Listening by Stephen Kuusisto In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hardly! j Graham Miller wrote: > jim lee the artist of comic book fame? > > On 7-Nov-06, at 1:01 AM, Jim Lee wrote: > >> It is fabulous! Very poetic guide to listening. Phonographers and >> Nature Recordists will especially love it. It is an easy read but >> one I will go back to over and over again. >> Jim >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio http://www.bambooturtle.com Home of the Rock Nest Monster http://www.bambooturtle.us/Rock_Nest_Monster.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 7 06:26:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40740-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89178 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:26:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 89165 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:26:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:26:21 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Eavesdropping: A Memoir of Blindness and Listening by Stephen Kuusisto In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx jim lee the artist of comic book fame? On 7-Nov-06, at 1:01 AM, Jim Lee wrote: > It is fabulous! Very poetic guide to listening. Phonographers and > Nature Recordists will especially love it. It is an easy read but > one I will go back to over and over again. > Jim > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 7 06:02:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40739-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81879 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:02:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 81868 invoked from network); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:02:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:01:59 -0500 From: Jim Lee <xxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Eavesdropping: A Memoir of Blindness and Listening by Stephen Kuusisto In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It is fabulous! Very poetic guide to listening. Phonographers and Nature Recordists will especially love it. It is an easy read but one I will go back to over and over again. Jim Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone read this yet? > Village Voice had an interesting review: > http://villagevoice.com/books/0644,starr,74864,10.html -- Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio http://www.bambooturtle.com Home of the Rock Nest Monster http://www.bambooturtle.us/Rock_Nest_Monster.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Nov 6 21:45:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40738-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77991 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:45:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 77964 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:45:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:45:31 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Crumar Trilogy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.219 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bIzwrIuCb54IrcCxE3oGaw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ChrsYz7m+eDV0aeqZeMOB9/Lr5/bUgvNpuGt7wj59vB5FQ6QVe/j/8JA2cuq8Lbj; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609cabf98018c9e31bfda838c977b168ff4548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_bIzwrIuCb54IrcCxE3oGaw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 6, 2006, at 8:48 AM, $B%K%3%i%9!&%1%s%H(B wrote: >> >> http://www.siliconbreakdown.com/emu.html > > Emu Modular (!?!) why - because of the SOS article? - when was the > last time you saw one of those for sale? It's true, I saw one ONCE, > and it was $8000 ten years ago. I'd suspect parts of one might come up > for sale maybe once or twice a year tops. It's something never > intended for a beginner, it's hard to think of a more off base synth > recommendation (though it can create a very wide range of weird noises > if it's in working order) I mention it because they exist even if they aren't for sale . There might be one in the basement of the humanities building at a nearby university and someone willing to pay a person to polish it up a bit , plug it in and make sound . Also , they might send around nymphets with cups of weak tea served with a lemon slice , cakes , fresh clothing made from layers of lace (, and matching doilies underneath the cakes). > There is a third route, building one yourself (as more and more > courageous and money challenged people do) > http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/ > > Not to discourage you, but it's not realistic to build a polyphonic > synth unless you are a serious expert. Though again, I have no idea if > the Trilogy was chosen because it was polyphonic rather than just > cheap. > > But on the encouraging side. building your own synth is very > educational (though the techniques used aren't the same as in modern > commercial electronics manufacture ... still the knowledge is far > from useless). It looks like PAiA has a modular synthesizer. I can't tell if it's partly assembled or a kit. That could take alot of soldering . Still it looks fun , might be wild and wooly enough for even the most discerning ears. http://www.paia.com/PAIA/p9700s.htm > > nicholas d. kent > nickkent.net > > Good to read your ideas. Are you stateside or london? (I'm never quite sure about that.) Bill --Boundary_(ID_bIzwrIuCb54IrcCxE3oGaw)-- From ???@??? Mon Nov 6 16:55:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40737-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15940 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:48:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 15909 invoked from network); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:48:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:48:08 -0500 From: =?UTF-8?B?44OL44Kz44Op44K544O744Kx44Oz44OI?= <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Crumar Trilogy To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > It does have a certain sound , nice action , a solid feel. It isn't > very satisfying if you're looking to make weird noises , > a wide variety of sonic textures. > Well it depends on the degree of weird. You might have run into this. http://www.synthmania.com/trilogy.htm Anyway my point would be it makes some okay filtered organ type sounds as you can hear. I'd agree that it's specialty is not making weird noises. Mainly it was one of the last synths that used a lot of electric organ technology to cut down the cost. They don't make synths like this any more because the cost savings weren't enough to make up for the corners being cut >> If my memory is accurate , one is able to program presets by >> raising >> the top surface and accessing eight banks of tiny potentiometers. I never heard the Trilogy had that. It might very well be true though I don't see the lid, unless you are talking about taking the synth apart like a serviceperson would do. Regular polyphonic synths of the era used an early microprocessor and battery backed RAM to instantly store a sound, but in the 70s a few synths, Yamaha being the most famous, used miniature pots or sliders to let you painstakingly store original patches. But I'm talking about 1977, not 1981. The early banks of pots idea is far less user friendly. > You might be better off saving your pop machine > change and spring for an Alesis Andromeda or an Emu Modular system. > > http://www.sequencer.de/syns/alesis/AndromedaA6.html http://www.alesis.com/support/faqs/a6andromeda.html I've got one. It's definitely a fascinating piece of work. They hover a bit below $2000 used. Alesis surprised everyone in 2000 when they made a real analog polyphonic synth ($3499 new). Only two or so companies had built a new one since the mid 80s. It's understood it was the dream of one of the people who ran the company to make what by many criteria would qualify as the most advanced analog polyphonic synth. I believe it holds the record for most knobs on a single regularly manufactured synth. I guess the "I told you so" people who try to guess the flaws of equipment before it comes out could were more or less on the mark with the A6. It has an operating system and it can go buggy, crash and lock up. Not enough at least for me to say it's useless, but it does happen. Also 25 to 40 years ago electronic components had less precision. A complicated instrument tended to have a lot of non- linearities that added a lively quality (if all worked). When you get lots of modern precision parts like custom modern IC chips you get predictable results that are both reliable and not so warm. You can program the A6 to sound more like old synths, though it takes more effort. The cynic would say that "clinical" sound is the price of reliability, and it's true to an extent. The zone of very sweet sounds caused by good or "bad" functioning behavior is tiny. It's easier to have your component inaccuracies sound sour or bland depending on the tightness or looseness of how well a technology is working (and your own perception). Anyway, all in all the A6 is a very substantial synth with some shortcomings - just as every synth has some very different shortcomings and frustrating aspects. p.s. the Trilogy used stable DCO oscillators (and organ technology) to produce waves. Which can be good or bad. Good in that they probably keep in tune, bad in that they lack the "fullness" of classic VCOs . > > http://www.siliconbreakdown.com/emu.html Emu Modular (!?!) why - because of the SOS article? - when was the last time you saw one of those for sale? It's true, I saw one ONCE, and it was $8000 ten years ago. I'd suspect parts of one might come up for sale maybe once or twice a year tops. It's something never intended for a beginner, it's hard to think of a more off base synth recommendation (though it can create a very wide range of weird noises if it's in working order) Bringing that up. I guess because it's not a VSTi, surprisingly few people know about the Clavia Nord Modular G2 software demo. It's not the easiest software for the beginner to grasp, but hey, it's free and if you have the MHz it makes some great sounds. It's slightly crippled but unlike most "demos" it will save, won't time out and doesn't make a random noise every few seconds unless you want it to. http://clavia.se/products/nordmodular/demo.htm Okay. Under $200... well everyone wants that and the only way you'll get something good is through real luck, skill or deception. What I mean is someone selling a synth that they underestimate the value of. Buying a trashed synth and figuring out the fix, or conning someone out of a synth by claiming it's worth much less than market value. There are synths in this range as you've found. They are all really compromised in some way, though they might not be in a way that matters to you, especially if you don't expect something entirely flexible and wide ranging. As to value, Under $200 is a good price for a fully working Triliogy. I'm sure if you got it, and you didn't like it, you could sell it again for that price (so long as you aren't being sold a broken synth or have limitations like you will only sell locally) There is a third route, building one yourself (as more and more courageous and money challenged people do) http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/ Not to discourage you, but it's not realistic to build a polyphonic synth unless you are a serious expert. Though again, I have no idea if the Trilogy was chosen because it was polyphonic rather than just cheap. But on the encouraging side. building your own synth is very educational (though the techniques used aren't the same as in modern commercial electronics manufacture ... still the knowledge is far from useless). nicholas d. kent nickkent.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Nov 5 20:21:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40736-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27208 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:21:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 27190 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:21:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:21:31 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Labyrinth - A New Experiment with Graphics and Sound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ObBqpe9Z7y8OvSxP8Gf3rSZb+dWiexQbCBWUGKB6ydSnIfp3VgKeDn7j7LWPJVvZHA2rdu7bli+NQGJF61cfS8Jgv0E5ZulmC2AfCZRN6Ftbpuxr3s5Ge3ksQ3HAx+INd3tzuGeN1I9pdOC2zsvbLnKOZ/U1vYqpeY4iuArDkQs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <095501c7010f$ad843b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 11/5/06, Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I get a 404. This one, perhaps? http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/Labyrinth1106.htm -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Nov 5 20:17:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40735-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25079 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:17:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 25066 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:17:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:17:42 -0700 From: Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Labyrinth - A New Experiment with Graphics and Sound In-reply-to: <095501c7010f$ad843b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HpEwawltqHslsjqBIGabOBwPoZ1aGvVtHCYm3wnt1C11OGQAg9RadFHw8+867gofqi48zrlaUZqsjuqsyuE6fjAhFepU4vcZerMGe6Z5KTFKEPFCJAXOMsCuRe5ORH+obsRuNi4zaGus5gcUQQpyiHYJ/P2/0rlJrhdeLuz+S0o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <095501c7010f$ad843b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I get a 404. On 11/5/06, JC <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Labyrinth - 11/2006 > An experiment in graphics and sound. > > Click here: > > www.allhaildiscordia.com/Labyr...06.htm > > (Give it some time to download. It's a fairly large flash object.) > > Graphics by Kyron > based on photos by Kyriel > Sound by Etanna and Kyron > Programming by Kyron > > Feel free to pass on the link to anyone that might be interested. > > JC Mendizabal > Black Note Music > -- Energized Sound Creations -- > http://www.blacknotemusic.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Nov 5 19:26:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40734-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 14:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 14:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4695 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:26:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 4679 invoked from network); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:26:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:20:16 -0800 From: JC <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Labyrinth - A New Experiment with Graphics and Sound X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <095501c7010f$ad843b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ImuWUUwZRduCs2RkY4DQ6w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ctRQwXZY5CskxgiSior6N3jTZF7iF1PQS2bnbeijmzOsQOLP6D9MVOM/++2OwsZd; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120292d4c05cb15c21b0a9bbd58e7c28901d10950c3109da81a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ImuWUUwZRduCs2RkY4DQ6w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Labyrinth - 11/2006 An experiment in graphics and sound. Click here: www.allhaildiscordia.com/Labyr...06.htm (Give it some time to download. It's a fairly large flash object.) Graphics by Kyron based on photos by Kyriel Sound by Etanna and Kyron Programming by Kyron Feel free to pass on the link to anyone that might be interested. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music -- Energized Sound Creations -- http://www.blacknotemusic.com --Boundary_(ID_ImuWUUwZRduCs2RkY4DQ6w)-- From ???@??? Sat Nov 4 22:07:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40733-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81376 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:07:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 81365 invoked from network); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:07:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:07:04 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Crumar Trilogy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.102.246 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ogH2KKd25u/Ph/cP/8aJs0/z1mQSYYMoz30Ll8IRMStJ5G8lMwN6xVdohPcM+hBd; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609ccb6315eee48d97c41b8202bfd99894aa7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx With some searching you might be able to score a Roland sh 32: http://www.roland.com/products/en/SH-32/index.html though you might need an external keyboard. Somewhat pricier yet interesting (external audio in) is the Waldorf pluse +. You might be on course withe Crumar idea , there's the DS-2: http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html (that's the sum total of my thoughts for now) -b On Nov 4, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Thaniel Lee wrote: > thankyou. can you suggest a syth [ under 200 used] that can help me > make very strange analog sounds. > > On 11/4/06, Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> hi Thaniel, >> >> >> Here's an overview: >> >> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan01/articles/synthsec.asp >> >> If my memory is accurate , one is able to program presets by raising >> the top surface and accessing eight banks of tiny potentiometers. >> >> It does have a certain sound , nice action , a solid feel. It isn't >> very satisfying if you're looking to make weird noises , a wide >> variety >> of sonic textures. You might be better off saving your pop machine >> change and spring for an Alesis Andromeda or an Emu Modular system. >> >> http://www.sequencer.de/syns/alesis/AndromedaA6.html >> >> http://www.siliconbreakdown.com/emu.html >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> >> Bill >> >> On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Thaniel Lee wrote: >> >> > anyone own this, and do you think it sounds good/bad. im consitering >> > buying one. >> > -t >> > >> > -- >> > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx >> > http://thanielionlee.blogspot.com/ >> > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire >> > >> > so hows life >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > -- > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > http://thanielionlee.blogspot.com/ > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > so hows life > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Nov 4 19:09:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40732-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12184 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:08:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 12150 invoked from network); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:08:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:08:26 -0500 From: Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Crumar Trilogy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZhhBD5EzNYb3Q08xFM3qYky67iFyx2IMqbd+gdcZRQ71ElmL/yhOQe2VF0y/ortoGptYzp3Fnrlbjv9vatJBPM+/xGF1pCcPolG7z1tmPAW7UK6e24mqhfcbc+H8YJOr2q0x90pPRDsi4QURht/Zi18bcTo1vh4JucVF0zW9fro= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thankyou. can you suggest a syth [ under 200 used] that can help me make very strange analog sounds. On 11/4/06, Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi Thaniel, > > > Here's an overview: > > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan01/articles/synthsec.asp > > If my memory is accurate , one is able to program presets by raising > the top surface and accessing eight banks of tiny potentiometers. > > It does have a certain sound , nice action , a solid feel. It isn't > very satisfying if you're looking to make weird noises , a wide variety > of sonic textures. You might be better off saving your pop machine > change and spring for an Alesis Andromeda or an Emu Modular system. > > http://www.sequencer.de/syns/alesis/AndromedaA6.html > > http://www.siliconbreakdown.com/emu.html > > > thanks > > > Bill > > On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Thaniel Lee wrote: > > > anyone own this, and do you think it sounds good/bad. im consitering > > buying one. > > -t > > > > -- > > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > http://thanielionlee.blogspot.com/ > > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > > > so hows life > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx http://thanielionlee.blogspot.com/ http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire so hows life --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Nov 4 18:57:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40731-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6453 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:56:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 6442 invoked from network); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:56:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 10:56:50 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Crumar Trilogy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.102.214 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JdBxRIIS0cI3spjaMv/cRDpvnb/Lgr+vIccxC2yBYKyVDxvOYE3+Yw6XJQ3jy+0h; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609d5a6f491a4fd170e601a8e7b6c7a2ae0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi Thaniel, Here's an overview: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan01/articles/synthsec.asp If my memory is accurate , one is able to program presets by raising the top surface and accessing eight banks of tiny potentiometers. It does have a certain sound , nice action , a solid feel. It isn't very satisfying if you're looking to make weird noises , a wide variety of sonic textures. You might be better off saving your pop machine change and spring for an Alesis Andromeda or an Emu Modular system. http://www.sequencer.de/syns/alesis/AndromedaA6.html http://www.siliconbreakdown.com/emu.html thanks Bill On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Thaniel Lee wrote: > anyone own this, and do you think it sounds good/bad. im consitering > buying one. > -t > > -- > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > http://thanielionlee.blogspot.com/ > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > so hows life > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Nov 4 04:38:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40730-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15661 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 04:38:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 15650 invoked from network); Sat, 04 Nov 2006 04:38:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:38:28 -0500 From: Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Crumar Trilogy To: "xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=c3HK0BHJTg2qfdKzuValbpJMYop3vXBqR45ax3FRkeg4F15qfTsMUzujFISMSoqF/WwruUnuLYawdtQJu1TIsaHlD8mJ7QCwDay6z9BKshDIyKXmZZkd/wDQfwebWltv075uTNWN6u/Um8Zig0eDSqUDHxyq2nVZ2PFlsqXRZe0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx anyone own this, and do you think it sounds good/bad. im consitering buying one. -t -- xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx http://thanielionlee.blogspot.com/ http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire so hows life --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Nov 3 04:01:03 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40729-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32056 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:00:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 32040 invoked from network); Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:00:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:00:35 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] Top 100 Hubble Telescope Photographs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000801c6fe92$cff491f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx couldn't have put it better myself. bush's desire to scrap the hubble pretty much sums his whole worldview in a nutshell (you could probably fit his brain in there too). as the hubble continuously beams back hard evidence of the big bang 'theory' it's no wonder the christian right would to have the thing burn up in atmosphere. it's not doing their side of the argument any favours. the hubble represents everything that is good and right about humans. for me the question of repairing it and extending its capabilities was a no brainer. forget wasting money sending astronauts to the moon. we already have the greatest explorer ever conceived floating in orbit, traveling to distant worlds at the speed of light itself. it was my 30th birthday on the 31st, the day they announced the repair mission. i awoke that day, turned on the news, read the headline, and i was so happy. it was the best birthday present i could have ever asked for:-) (and the details of the repair mission are right out of a sci-fi movie, with a secondary rescue launch vehicle prepped and ready to go in the case of a emergency - could you imagine how crazy that would be? two shuttles in space, one to rescue the other! but let's just hope that never happens. because if it did, ron howard would probably turn it into a movie with tom hanks. and that would be bad. very bad.) for more inspiration stuff check out www.seti.org, one of the few organizations i donate money to on a regular basis. the truth is out there. (cue x-files theme) all the best, graham the intrepid traveller On 2-Nov-06, at 1:46 PM, Andras Hargitai wrote: > it was a pleasure to see it... > if we hadn't spent so much on weapons and other stuff we don't need, > e.g. how many telescopes we would have and how far were they capable > of looking? > :/ > > > 2006/11/2, Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: >> >> Very high resolution, copyright free stunning pictures: >> >> http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/top100/ >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 19:24:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40728-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1353 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:24:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 1342 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:24:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:24:00 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] Top 100 Hubble Telescope Photographs In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.102.3 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i0cdDG7YpPh9dzP4+n6GB7NCkeK58C+3xwQiVaIPbNHcK2X7Tat6dARpWA2HYPsO; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609c2ba1d0300f8a94a82188ae058e2165e3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000801c6fe92$cff491f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx According to the news services it will be being revamped in 2008, so hold onto your monitors. I'm sure there's more where those came from... On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Andras Hargitai wrote: > it was a pleasure to see it... > if we hadn't spent so much on weapons and other stuff we don't need, > e.g. how many telescopes we would have and how far were they capable > of looking? > :/ > > > 2006/11/2, Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: >> >> Very high resolution, copyright free stunning pictures: >> >> http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/top100/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 18:56:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40727-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78003 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:54:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 69969 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:46:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:46:40 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [OT] Top 100 Hubble Telescope Photographs In-reply-to: <000801c6fe92$cff491f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=np4uG9A7vPlNGXDEkAVj/jF9RB6WumhAx7TBlhNzIai2egZZu1nfCk2PMnLllIS/E39xr5Y/OpTDBnDIMtBlfTnOUezEzWU1i8L9+TiFImv1Mi+s4tg7ouu5f/dhUKNqY9h4Q86bny0LmwNjt7+dbPoMMn4uedRpkGa3xZagF58= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000801c6fe92$cff491f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it was a pleasure to see it... if we hadn't spent so much on weapons and other stuff we don't need, e.g. how many telescopes we would have and how far were they capable of looking? :/ 2006/11/2, Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > > Very high resolution, copyright free stunning pictures: > > http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/top100/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 16:39:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40726-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95921 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:39:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 95911 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:39:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:39:35 +0000 From: Richard Whitelaw <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Atari Mindscape In-reply-to: <000c01c6fe95$39a98130$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C16FCFC7.12112%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/11/06 3:40 pm, "Eloy Anzola" <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://vividpicture.com/aleks/atari/mindscape.html Thanks for that, I loved it... A true candidate for the outsider electronic music charts. Think of Joe Meek, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Judson Fountain as extras in Plan 9 from Outerspace and you're nowhere near... Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 15:48:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40725-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72885 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:48:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 72875 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:48:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:47:54 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Atari Mindscape In-reply-to: <000c01c6fe95$39a98130$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000c01c6fe95$39a98130$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Interesting! - thanks for this... Eloy Anzola wrote: > Back in 1983 or so Atari released a promotional flexi-disc with a 3 min > track. "Mindscape" > > "a bizarre universe where fantasy and nightmare challenge your sanity" > > Very computer/dario/argento/morricone... > > MP3 here: > http://vividpicture.com/aleks/atari/mindscape.html > > ---------------- > > Lots of other old skool Atari music here: > http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/09/atari_music.html > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 15:40:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40724-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69117 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:40:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 69102 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:40:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:40:28 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Atari Mindscape To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c6fe95$39a98130$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: Acb+lTixd7PyLmHSQ4GUFGaKPGirEA== X-DCC--Metrics: ss73.shared.server-system.net 1368; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Back in 1983 or so Atari released a promotional flexi-disc with a 3 min track. "Mindscape" "a bizarre universe where fantasy and nightmare challenge your sanity" Very computer/dario/argento/morricone... MP3 here: http://vividpicture.com/aleks/atari/mindscape.html ---------------- Lots of other old skool Atari music here: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/09/atari_music.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 15:23:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40723-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60762 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:23:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 60752 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:23:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:23:12 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [OT] Top 100 Hubble Telescope Photographs To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000801c6fe92$cff491f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: Acb+ks9SVBauuflaSKq5Cit3xgmnRQ== X-DCC--Metrics: ss73.shared.server-system.net 1368; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Very high resolution, copyright free stunning pictures: http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/top100/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Nov 2 01:34:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40722-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24349 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:34:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 24310 invoked from network); Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:33:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:33:49 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Eavesdropping: A Memoir of Blindness and Listening by Stephen Kuusisto To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_f46sFRD7pPz17s5C1kG9fQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_f46sFRD7pPz17s5C1kG9fQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone read this yet? Village Voice had an interesting review: http://villagevoice.com/books/0644,starr,74864,10.html --Boundary_(ID_f46sFRD7pPz17s5C1kG9fQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Nov 1 14:52:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40721-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53081 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:52:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 53069 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:52:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:55:41 +0100 From: xxxxxx@xx-xxxxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] IanniX-0.633b online To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, We are proud to announce you the release of IanniX-0.633b, the graphical meta-sequencer based on Iannis Xenakis's Upic. This version brings great improvements and is much more stable than the former releases. It is freely available as a Windows executable, a Universal Binary (Mac and ppc), and a source package or a binary for Linux distributions. As it is GPL, you can also get the source-code and compile it by yourself if needed. This won't need Qt to be installed on your machine anymore, as all the libraries and dependencies are now fully included within the source file. * The WinXP exe can be found at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.633b-WinXP.rar?download * The Universal Binary: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX_0.633b_OSX.tgz?download * The Source package: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.633b-Linux.tar.gz?download * and the Linux Binary: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.633b-Linux-bin.tar.gz?download As usual, you are welcome to contact us to report any bug. The IanniX Team. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 1 08:03:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40720-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22804 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:03:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 22787 invoked from network); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:03:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:02:59 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Protein Music Samples In-reply-to: <v03110706c16a122d9e1b@[151.28.96.125]> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.102.9 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nveWDOvKQhaimLMkZBeY3JvQ9n6j2VcfeLGkgVSr2y+CFnbvgjT9MJzbBxb8UhGk; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609b19e52ce246362e0a93836d26f9d64e7a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <v03110706c16a122d9e1b@[151.28.96.125]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks nic liked the spidroin revisited midi file -bill On Oct 29, 2006, at 3:16 PM, nicola catalano wrote: > maybe they'd have made a better use of protein sounds, but that's > curious/funny nonetheless: > > http://whozoo.org/mac/Music/samples.htm > > cheers. > nic > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org