From sge Sent Tue, May 11th 1999, 19:17
From sge Sent Tue, May 11th 1999, 19:17
>My point is that just because you weren't interested in the music before many >others, doesn't mean labels like SKAM, Diskono, Rephlex, or whoever should be >blamed for being elitists. Not a case of not being interested - just blissfully unaware. And you should read a message before replying. I was not blaming Skam for being elitist. I was pointing out that they could, if they saw the need, make a shit load of money out of the lemmings on this list (and I include myself in that) who would blindly buy a record because its says "Skam" on the label. This partly cos its all good music as far as I'm concerned but also because of the rarity of the originals. As I said they are now must have items, similar to Chocolate Industries or Schematic early releases now. >I do not want to start a flame war with this message. then READ before you reply. You are one of the lucky ones, you were informed of BOC, Bola et al at the time of release and managed to secure one of these 12"s before everyone else wanted it. Do not think you are a "better person" just because you got these records at the time, the phrase "right place, right time" applies to you thats all. Plus if you are lucky enough to run a radio station / label / record shop then I spose these things just fall into your hands. > It's just my opinion that there's always too much unwarranted and excessive >whining then don't post your messages. sge np - tried by twelve , murdered or the murderer?? -----Original Message----- From: Michael Stein <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: 'xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx' <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: 'xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx' <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Date: 11 May 1999 19:02 Subject: RE: (idm) Re: While "Seek" EP inspiration not found! >>I only had the three Gescom eps up until a little while >>ago then I was introduced to BoC, Bola and Jega through various other >>releases and my fascination has grown and grown. Now I find myself >>saying to people that "I only need 3 more Skam 12" s!" in an excited, >>almost childlike way - thats the collector side of me coming out I >>suppose. > >Being a kollektorskum myself, I have to agree that some of the "limitedness" >as described by Simon Reynolds sometimes goes out of hand. I believe our >classic example of this would be Markant. Anyway, I, however, have to >points to bring up: > >1) "up until a little while ago then I was introduced to BoC, Bola and Jega" >- This phrase typifies many of your situations. I hope this doesn't sound >harsh, but you missed out. When this great music originally came out, you >weren't interested. I know, it sucks, it's happened to me on numerous >occassions. Many of the now scarce works of Bola, BoC, or any other artist >that is being accused of releasing music on a much too limited basis were >available at the original prices for months after they were released. I >remember still seeing a stack Gescom "The Sounds..." EPs for $9 that >wouldn't sell at a local shop a whole year after it was released whilst they >were fetching over $40 on this list. My point is that just because you >weren't interested in the music before many others, doesn't mean labels like >SKAM, Diskono, Rephlex, or whoever should be blamed for being elitists. > >2) This goes mainly against the Reynolds discussion a few weeks ago (sorry >if it's out of place)... some critics superficially brand IDM (a phrase I >use loosely) for being self-containing because of the limited releases. If >the genre were to be analized further, they would see that these limited >releases are mainly for minor releases such as singles and EPs. The majority >of artists' material, like albums, are readily available. This is the case >with most forms of underground or independent music. A few 7"s here and >there are exceptionally rare (see Tortoise, Stereolab, Coil, Belle and >Sebastian, etc) and the whole scene gets blamed for being "anal." This just >doesn't make much sense to me, as much of it isn't that hard to find if >people would just get off their couches and go to a decent shop on-line or >in-town and do a little research. > >I do not want to start a flame war with this message. It's just my opinion >that there's always too much unwarranted and excessive whining about the >quantity of releases, when I'd rather see more reviews or other discussions. > >Mike. >