From lwtcdi Sent Tue, Oct 14th 1997, 13:12
From lwtcdi Sent Tue, Oct 14th 1997, 13:12
>> It's called groove. This LP has the funk. That's what the Plug LP and most >> (decent) d'n'b is about. > funk is a 70's concept, that yuppies like to collect on compact disc > re-issues, and precious people shake their rumps to. Don't be so pendantic. I mention the word 'funk' once (flippantly) in a posting and you're straining at the least like a rabid rottweiler. As you may well understand (or possibly not judging from your hostile reaction) I was refering to the 'funk' in the music, not literally as a genre, but as a concept of the repetetive, addictive rhythm in the music (or groove again if you prefer - although I hasten to use this tag word as you'll probably jump on it and insist on giving me its full dictionary definition). > i like to think that > the driving force of *good* d'n'b is the unbridled exploration of DRUMS > and BASS to represent the urban screen and times. Oh yeah, real bloody catchy that. I'll remember to use that one next time I want to put something in a simple consise manner... Also, what the hell is an 'urban screen'? Sounds like some form of medical aparatus. Thirdly, 'unbridled exploration' - to me - does not necessarily make for good music. Sounds like it might be veering a little too close towards overindulgent noodling. On the whole, you seem too caught up in labels. Drum & Bass doesn't just have to contain drums and bass just because that's what it is called. Plenty of great old jungle used to take great swathes of melodic 'hooks' from other peoples records and this was neither drum or bass, and plenty use strings, atmospherics and tons of other stuff besides. I believe you use what works in a track, not just predefined concepts of drums and bass... > now it can be said that > there is plenty of groove in the harshest Dillinja track, but only if you > are open to re-definitions and listen to intent (without the usual ad > agency brand expectations)! What in the screaming hell are you on about? You blatantly assume that because I like the Plug LP that I cannot appreciate other forms of jungle which you see as more underground (therefore branding you an elistist jungle snob, which like other forms of musically snobbery, this list could well do without). Just for your information, it was only the other week on this list I was posting about Dillinja (and many others ie Krust, Swift, Decoder etc) and saying how wicked Acid Trak was, so maybe you should keep up with what's going on a little more, eh? > maybe you should give the Adam F "Circles" Remix > a go if you like the jazz club preset.. See, you're embarassing yourself again. What 'jazz club preset'? Where did I ever mention this in my post? See if you can spot it fellow IDMers, 'cos I'll be fucked if I can! I think the words 'jumping to conclusions' are particularly appropriate here, yet another trait of someone perpetually on the defensive of their little corner of music which no-one else is allowed to encroach on. As for your mention the Adam F remix, I already have bought it (so you're too late on the old reccomendation front, I'm afraid) and yes, I like this too (and didn't get around to buying it the first time - oh, the shame of it). Is this a crime? Oh dear, it was re-released on Positiva with some new remixes and a different sleeve and isn't as good as the original F-Jam release? Or maybe you think it was never any good in the first place. At least that's what you'll probably say now, seeing as jazzy Bukem-esque jungle is uncool at the moment... > i sold off my Plug LP because imho it wasn't as adventurous as the previous > EP's, and the novelty of listening to an amalgam of sample cd breaks and > borrowed bits and pieces from 95 jungle (DBC is basically a DJ SS rip) Yeah, so it's got that bouncy bass sound - still doesn't make it shit. Plenty of newer records still use it (Chronic Vol 9's 'The Rolla' does, and that's a fine record too). > i still like Phat Lab Nightmare, and especially the Redone EP for Luke > Vibert's best releases! at the moment though, he seems to be suffering an > extended term of blunted creativity in MoWax limbo. stay sleepin'.. Well, I like the new LP, but I agree, it's a bit trip-hop by numbers. Not much innovation going on there. >> I think both are equally complete and are probably the two best LPs >> releases of last year (along with Red Snapper). Even RDJ loses it a bit >> with the last track Logon Rock Witch. >the album is an autobiography of sorts. In what way? Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my mind Mr James never said this was an autobiographical album. Maybe you're just making assumptions again... >listen harder grasshopper.. I hate people who say this! I know, I'll just put Logon Rock Witch on and crouch by the speaker, listening intently for that extra bit of excellence that is on all the other tracks on the LP, but that *I* am obviously missing out on. Ah, there it is! Yes, you were right all along, it is sheer brilliance and not just a silly bunch of Kangaroo noises, toy whistles and church organs after all! Thanks for the enlightenment, pal! Gb.