RE: [AH] ARP2600P with 3604 Duophonic Keyboard and 1613 Arp Sequencer

From Peter Forrest
Sent Sun, Feb 17th 2019, 19:28

Ah yes, the other side of that coin!
Peter

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From: Tom Bugs [mailto:xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xx]=20
Sent: 17 February 2019 18:51
To: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [AH] ARP2600P with 3604 Duophonic Keyboard and 1613 Arp =
Sequencer

Umm, well, actually - in the recent Tears for Fears auction I didn't get =

a look in at the H3000 I wanted due to the spending power of Uli B!

On 17/02/2019 10:47, Peter Forrest wrote:
> There's an interesting variation of auction systems called 'Dutch =
auction' - in the UK at least - it might be called English auction in =
the Netherlands for all I know.
> Basically the auction starts at a high price and then goes down until =
someone jumps in.
> It must be incredibly tense in a live room, looking round at your =
rivals and waiting to see a sign that they are going to bid.
> But it requires the auctioneer to know a price which is higher than an =
item could possibly reach - not always easy - plus you don't get =
competitive bidding in the same way.
> I guess you could have a variation of this where the bidding could =
then start going up again if there was competition.
> As for supply and demand, in the current world there are a tiny tiny =
proportion of people for whom price is almost irrelevant - they have so =
much money from bitcoin or London property or merchant banking or oil or =
whatever that 10000s are like tens to most ordinary people.  You just =
have to hope they don't want the things you want.
> At least thanks to Uli B we can have impressive knock-offs of classics =
at ultra-reasonable prices.
> Peter
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Willoughby [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx]
> Sent: 17 February 2019 02:50
> To: Analog Heaven
> Subject: Re: [AH] ARP2600P with 3604 Duophonic Keyboard and 1613 Arp =
Sequencer
>
> There=E2=80=99s the basic rule of economics: Supply versus Demand. As =
the supply of money goes up (all countries are increasing the supply of =
their fiat monies), prices go up. The only exception are advances in =
efficiency which cause prices to go down. Meanwhile, as the supply of =
money goes up, the supply of ARP 2600 synths is slowly diminishing.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t see how this can be blamed on credit cards. =
It=E2=80=99s unsustainable to continue to buy things just because credit =
cards allow instant access to money. At some point, people have to pay =
for their synths - plus interest!
>
> There=E2=80=99s also the principle of =E2=80=9Cclearing the =
market.=E2=80=9D There may be only one person out there who really wants =
an awesome example of a 2600 with sequencer, but if it=E2=80=99s offered =
at a lower price then lots of people will try to buy it and it might not =
go to the person who=E2=80=99ll most appreciate it. Whether you have =
millions of similar items or just one, you start at a high price and =
keep lowering it until you=E2=80=99ve sold all of the inventory (or you =
find that it=E2=80=99s better to just keep the remaining inventory at =
the final price).
>
> On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Justin Maxwell <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> Or we can go with Occam's razor and say that prices have gone up =
because demand has gone up.
>>
>> There's a slight twist in that auction sites are driving prices way =
up as sellers offset fees with higher prices, but if someone is paying =
$x for a synth it's worth $x to them, as simple as that.
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2019 at 6:36 PM, <Frank Bonarrigo> wrote:
>>> No, Im just suspicious of the cost of gear in general. Been into =
buying gear since the early 90=E2=80=99s and the only conclusion I can =
come with is people are buying with credit cards. Which makes people buy =
with less pause ,I think, and prices go up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that your arp is not worth what you are asking. Its awesome
>
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