(idm) Re: music tribes:some thoughts (kind of off topic)

From Greg Earle
Sent Wed, Oct 29th 1997, 23:45

> I'm finding it interesting lately how people divide themselves into
> 'tribes' with music, interesting and difficult to understand.
> Case in point: I was reading some posts in a Skinny Puppy mailing list

Ah, a veritable hotbed of open-minded people ...

> yesterday and how most people are pissed off with the 'apparent' new
> direction of Download with the 'III' album.  How they were very
> dissappointed that cEvin Key 'apparently' didn't have much to do with
> the album and that it sounded like repetative Techno (which some of it

Kenny and Dwayne should have ditched Ogre and gone Techno 6 years ago, IMHO,
after finishing "Last Rites" ... if Kenny had had Dwayne's mindset, it
would have happened ... instead it was Battle of The Titans and Kenny
resisted for far too long.  (Heaven knows I tried ... heck, Franz Teichler
of Young Gods was playing "On" in the Malibu studio where they recorded
their last album and it still didn't help)

> does sure).  Or that maybe cEvin had run out of ideas!  Now I love this
> album it's not really Techno (in the classic sense) but it does has some
> 'Techno' sensiblities.  But anyway the general consensus seemed to be that
> someone who changes their 'tribe' has run out of ideas or is
> 'selling-out' ...

Well, the trouble is that certain people/groups get identified with something
strongly, and if they make a reasonably big stylistic change well after the
genre they're moving towards is well-established, it looks like they're just
Johnny-come-lately bandwagon jumpers ... let's face it, "Skinny Puppy" is as
strongly associated with "Industrial" music as any brand name going.  It was
a creative straightjacket and Dwayne felt that more than anyone.  That's why
his own urges were forced to be done under his own name (Duck) with his and
Phil's own funds (i.e., starting the Sub-Conscious label) back in '93 ...

As for RHK I agree, I've found the best thing to do is simply unmap the
artist when they're in an area you're not interested in (recent Tear Garden,
Cabs post-"Code" for me for example) and re-map when they are (Cabs circa
"Plasticity" and "International Language"/Kirk "Virtual State").  Works fer me.

        - Greg