RE: (idm) Hip-hop history/CD philosophy

From the Quaternions
Sent Wed, Apr 21st 1999, 16:31

> 
> U seem to be looking at this thing from now, but in order to understand
> anything U must first start from the beginning.
> 
> Rappers dont need bands(music).  Typically, while in NYC or D.C., I
> always wanted buddies to kick free-styles, for that is when they are at
> their best.  Not when music is playing behind their rapps.  
> 
> To each his own, but there is nothing like walking up to a cat and say
> "bust a free"  and he begins!  In fact, if he cant, or says I need
> music---I just walk away!
> 
> Hk-10!

I understand your point, but you're misinterpreting me.  I'm not talking
about rap's lyrical content, although I'm sure certain content goes well
with a certain sound and flow. I'm talking about the delivery itself, thwe
inmteraction between beat and rap. IMO, hip-hop is much more interesting
when both rap and beat work simultaneously--instrumental hip-hop is rarely
incredibly exciting, and loses a lot of the point of hip-hop, just as
instrumental rap seems more akin to straight, albeit heavily rhythmic,
poetry.  I'm interested in the lyrics as well, but I'm most interested in
the combination of sounds.  Of course, disagree if you want to.

And re: starting from the beginning, I believe the beat started it off,
with toaster types over DJs, keeping the corwd going.
of course, there was proto-rap, like that scene in Dolomite where Dolomite
is entertaining the crowd.  is there any literature on "proto-rap," some
heavily rhythmic poetry style that predated "actual" rap?

One question--has a bizarre rapper like Kool Keith ever had beats that
adequately deal with his rapping style?  The production on the Dr Octagon
album was great, but it seemed of a slightly diffreent mindset than
Keith's rapping, and that's why so many people seemed to like the beats,
but not his raps.  I'd love to see him rap over completely freeform
arrangements--lyrical determinism, if you will.

Sam