From A. Sent Tue, Nov 19th 2019, 17:09
From A. Sent Tue, Nov 19th 2019, 17:09
Just don't go on about personal stuff when i want to read about = synthesizers. I'm mainly a passive participant in these fora, but here i = draw the line and choose to have my say. Why discourage people like me = from joining in with the discourse when we may one day have something = worthwhile to contribute? I like technical things which is why i like = synthesizers. Please can we stick to the chips, electrons and art, not = the feels and ideologies. And i'll just say this here and now: art is not inherently political. No = tricky word salad with social studies dressing will ever change that. The great beauty of the internet is that it allows for a tabula rasa, = nobody need know anything about you that you do not wish to divulge, and = you can be valued within a social milieu purely for your input and = conduct. Jokes are such a vital part of human bonding that if one cannot = make a joke because it harms somebody's sense of their = self-identification as a necessary part of their being, then you cannot = have an honest social interaction, as people must police themselves so = as to avoid upsetting others. If someone makes a joke you don't like, = think him an ass, but let him be one. Isn't that what all these people = are asking anyway, to be allowed to choose their identity, and left = alone for doing so. Quid pro quo, no? Let me be the ass that i am, and = you go ahead and be whatever you want. Isn't that wonderful? > On 19 Nov 2019, at 16:20, Royce Lee <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >=20 > HI all, >=20 > Great seeing you Alex at the show! It was a shared experience. It = reminded me of old footage of the early Kraftwerk concerts. >=20 > The link between synthesis and politics has always been strong. We all = have our own reasons, and many of them have a political slant. I always = thought that act of re-purposing "obsolete" synthesizer technology that = characterized the first two decades of AH was by definition political. = In a way that I think was very meaningful. Today, that layer of meaning = is not as present, with the second golden age of analogue we are living = in, and it is now more purely about sound and the instruments: which is = fine and in fact spares us the many hours of internet diving that the = pursuit used to require. I do think by focusing on synthesis itself and = not forcing consensus, AH has mostly allowed people to hang on to their = motivations without getting scared away.=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:04 AM Scott Fox <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> = wrote: > But you can recognize that making jokes about what you identify as is = pretty insulting to people with actually identity issues. Being = inclusive isn't about talking about people genders or identities, it's = about maintaining a space that isn't insulting. This thread alone has = seen multiple jokes about identity. Most people have a pretty thick skin = and can shrug it off pretty easily (people often have to in this world) = but I know for a fact that this casual behavior is specifically = non-exclusive.=20 >=20 > Anyhow, I'm tapping out to read up on the new Quantum update coming = out soon! >=20 > Scott=20 >=20 > On Tue., Nov. 19, 2019, 8:52 a.m. negativesaucer, = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm going to briefly state my perspective on this and be done with it: >=20 > When someone subs to /r/synthesizers they are there for what's written > on the tin. It's not about trans people or women, or men, or > anything, it's about synthesizers. When I say I don't care about > gender identities or sexual orientations, that is to mean you can be > whatever you want and I'm not going to hassle you over it, because > it's none of my business. The insinuation that trans etc people can't > feel a part of a community unless they poll the community for people > that share their gender identity or sexuality seems a bit backwards to > me. >=20 > IMO, if it's not about synthesizers it doesn't have a place in a > community dedicated to synthesizers. I apologize for even mentioning > it as I've essentially introduced this same thing here. >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 9:47 AM Lorne Hammond <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> = wrote: > > > > I agree with Justin but for example, the trans couple I worked with = on telling their story just want to be who they are now today. Its about = being comfortable and going forward. > > > > Wendy Carlos just wants to talk music, not identity. Talking synth = hear, including bad puns and strong opinions has always been what has = given this list its longevity. > > > > what's a list-serv grampa? > > > > Lorne > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Justin Maxwell <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: November-18-19 10:39 PM > > To: Van Santos <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > Cc: negativesaucer <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>; Collin Crowe = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>; eon <xxx@xx.xx>; Analogue Heaven = <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Alex Sullivan <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; chris = <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> > > Subject: Re: [AH] No traffic? > > > > > > > > and so are the people > > > > > > > > as an ex-AH asshole (AHsshole?) the thing about being an asshole is = that you don't have to be. you can fucking just move along. whether or = not it's muffs or reddit or wherever, there are always a bunch of good = ol boys white males who think that the world is too sensitive for them = and their jokes and that other people are the problem. meanwhile there = are people just figuring themselves out in the world and trying to find = places to connect online > > > > > > > > > gender identity and sexuality is irrelevant to synth discussion = imo. > > > > > > > > except that it's not, gender identity and sexuality has been bound = to art for millennia, and we happen to be fans of machines designed to = create art, among other things. on the machine level, we talk about = tones in terms of passion, people use the word "sexy" to describe = industrial design. there's a lot of masculinity and femininity in the = music and the audience. and we'd be naive to pretend the music many of = us on here love didn't get its roots in gay communities. > > > > > > > > there are a lot of people figuring out themselves in the world right = now because society is providing a safe(r) space for it and the people = who make it harder for them online are the real assholes. > > > > > > > > i say this just to remind folks that there are a lot of lurkers on = AH and i want them to feel welcome too. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:37 PM Van Santos <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> = wrote: > > > > I saw that recently when a woman asked about other women who = frequent the sub.... The comments were a nightmare. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:34 PM negativesaucer = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > meanwhile the Reddit synthesizers sub is more interested in gender = identity politics than synthesizers > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 6:34 PM Collin Crowe = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > It works! Keep it goin > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:42 AM eon <xxx@xx.xx> wrote: > > > > > > > That said - as a UK bod - in the 90=E2=80=99s I=E2=80=99d look = forward to browsing > > > through a bunch of email from the US when I got up - nothing like > > > reading a flame war over 101 mod grips with your morning coffee! = Good > > > times! It=E2=80=99s a lot quieter now - but there have been some = good > > > threads this year! > > > > Nothing like old school, mannerly flame war, yes! > > > > Speaking of which. "I know it's not abalogue, but..." I just got me = my > > first hardware sampler in my life at the age of 40. It's the = original SP > > 1200 with SD drive and I'm loving it, sampling the AKS. > > > > Any hints? > > > > > > Cheers > > Maciek