From Kylee Kennedy Sent Sat, Oct 13th 2018, 20:06
From Kylee Kennedy Sent Sat, Oct 13th 2018, 20:06
God no. Tokyo has high rent costs so walk in store prices are always higher than the online-auction sites. The benefit of paying more there is you know the gear will work right. Still go to the stores to check out the rarer synths! My first time seeing a System 800 was at FiveG. Kylee On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 8:12 AM el macaco <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Yeah the IG chip failures appear rare to me as well, but when it happens,= any alternatives? > > Any walk in stores in Tokyo that have good prices or is it all yahoo auct= ions? > > On Oct 12, 2018, at 9:34 PM, M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > CS synths do seem to be very abundant in Japan and are usually a lot chea= per if you can be bothered to go through the hurdles of bidding using Yahoo= -Japan auctions. Buying from Japanese sellers on ebay is a bit of a gamble-= -the first CS-10 I bought was NOT the model shown in the auction. The selle= r claimed that they had more than one and they got swapped, but my sense (a= nd also what I have read) is that some unscrupulous sellers will list thing= s they don't have yet and then only go out and buy them once the auction is= ended. This probably doesn't happen to the same extent on Yahoo-Japan, but= who knows. > > > The IG chips are rare, but they also don't actually seem to fail that oft= en. I've only ever heard about a few chips going out, and it always seems t= o be the VCA (or perhaps filter). > > > > ________________________________ > From: el macaco <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:29 PM > To: M V > Cc: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki; AH > Subject: Re: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? > > I had a CS-15 for years. Probably the only synth I sold I would want aga= in. Simple but so flexible and expressive. The filter tracking you handle= with the brilliance control, which you can select either or both filters. > > Does anybody know if it=E2=80=99s true that they=E2=80=99re cheaper in Ja= pan? Have someone going that might grab one for me if I tell him where to g= rab it. > > The other thing holding me back is those custom Yamaha chips. If they go= bad, has anyone reverse engineered them or found equivalents? I=E2=80=99d= hate to have it not be repairable without cannibalizing existing ones. > > On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:22 PM, M V <xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I understand the desire to stick with the CS, but one thing you should be= aware of is that the "black" CS synths, included the 30, have a more polit= e sound compared to the "wood" m-series. The latter sounds slightly more ag= gressive and American despite using all the same core chips. Not to dissuad= e you--what you lose in presence you make up for in feature richness, and I= think the 30 is still may fav of all the CS mono and duophonics. You could= also go for the CS-40m, which gets rid of all the limitations you mentione= d, but in use I found the 40m to somehow be less than the sum of its parts = (which are many). > > > > ________________________________ > From: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:45 PM > To: xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > Cc: AH > Subject: Re: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? > > Never heard of a GRP A2 before. I checked it out quickly - not for me > this time as I really like synths with keyboards. Also the dual filter > aspect of the CS30 is highly interesting. And finally, the CS20M was > my first analog synth, and I've had it for almost 20 years... The > Yamaha sound has been a part of my synth hobby for such a long time, > but I don't like some of the CS20M's limitations, especially the lack > of filter tracking control and the lack of single triggering keyboard > mode, both of which the CS30 has, along with dual filters, ring mod > and all the weirdness. > > If I was more sensible, I'd probably get a used Matrixbrute. Similar > price as a CS30, I think. Also dual filter but with memories, analog > effects, possibility to split the keyboard for left hand bass (which > I'd really like!) etc. > > But I kinda want to experience that CS Yamaha sound without the > CS20M's limitations. I could finally create those sounds I dreamt of. > The lack of filter keyboard tracking is so annoying... Just when > you've dialed it perfect for the lower range of the keyboard, it's too > bright in the upper registers etc. And always multiple triggering. > Single triggering is just so much more expressive. Although I > discovered a little workaround for that, but still. > > Cheers, > Antti > > to 11. lokak. 2018 klo 4.40 M V (xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx) kirjoitti: > > > > I don't have much to add to the specific debate at hand, but as a forme= r CS-30 owner, thought I would suggest an alternative in the form of the GR= P A2. I was recently thinking about getting a CS-30 again, but as I did, I = was reminded about the various weird limitations. Some of these can be over= come with modding, but still... not ideal. > > > > > > At the same time I was looking at the A2 and I basically came to the co= nclusion that if you ignore the independent dual filter aspect (which can b= e a little too "CS-funk" for its own good at times), the A2 has all the sam= e features and then some. Useful, and also novel modulations out the wazoo,= insanely snappy envelopes, and a really classy filter sound that feels som= ewhere in between the SEM multimode filter and the first ARP LP filter. And= the build quality is top notch--it sets a precedent that every maker shoul= d be following. > > > > > > If I desperately need the CS sound, I have a CS-10 which does the job f= ine. The only things I really miss on the CS-30 now are the formant vowel s= ounds (surprisingly good). The A2 is about the same price as a CS-30 or 30L= these days, but they are about to be discontinued, so well worth looking i= nto now. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 4:02 PM > > To: AH > > Subject: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking of selling my Yamaha CS20M and getting either a CS30L or > > a CS30. But which one is better? > > > > If I've understood correctly they are the same, except CS30L lacks the > > sequencer but has a "brilliance" control, allowing tweaking the cutoff > > of both filters simultaneously. As an extra feature the CS30L also has > > a "sustain" control, allowing controlling the release of all envelopes > > simultaneously. CS30L also has a pedal control voltage input for the > > "brilliance", which the CS30 lacks. > > > > However, is there any way with the CS30 to tweak the cutoff of both > > filters simultaneously, apart from using two hands? If not, is it easy > > to mod to have this feature? > > > > I'm leaning towards a CS30L because of the extra "brilliance" feature > > and a somewhat cheaper average price, although of course then I'll > > loose the sequencer. I've never been terribly interested in analogue > > sequencers and so I don't value the sequencer that much, but of course > > it would be fun to have it integrated in a synth like the CS30 has > > (allowing weird stuff like one oscillator controlled by the sequencer, > > one by the keyboard but so that the sequence is also transposed, and > > some envelopes controlled by the sequencer and some by the > > keyboard...). > > > > Anyways, I'd love to hear opinions on which one is better, the CS30 or > > the CS30L? :) > > > > Cheers, > > Antti