Re: [AH] Xpander/Matrix-12 Display Command (SysEx)

From Brian Willoughby
Sent Mon, Oct 29th 2018, 07:33

Hmm, I don=E2=80=99t have contact information for Mike Metlay. =
Everything I have with his name on it is from the eighties or early =
nineties.

I do have Owners Manuals (original & PDF), Service Manuals (M-12 & Xp), =
and SysEx documentation.

I=E2=80=99m also able to get my M-12 to response to a request to dump =
all of its presets, so the communications are enabled in the Master =
Page, MIDI, Enables. I=E2=80=99ve tried variations of the =E2=80=9Cdevice=E2=
=80=9D (both Xpander and Matrix-12) and Display Command (Xpander & =
Matrix-12, again). I=E2=80=99m now sending Display On before Display =
Data (was reversed before). None of the changes seem to have any effect.

Thanks. Maybe I=E2=80=99ll wait another day for other folks to reply.

Brian


On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:53 PM, Lorne Hammond <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> wrote:
> Brian: ask Mike Metalay the wizard of expanders. If it can be done he =
may have seen it. =20
> lorne
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Willoughby <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>=20
> Sent: October-28-18 9:26 PM
> To: Analog Heaven <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [AH] Xpander/Matrix-12 Display Command (SysEx)
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> Hello all,
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> Here=E2=80=99s something that has baffled me for decades. Has anyone =
been able to successfully change the Matrix-12 or Xpander display via =
MIDI, using the Display Command described in the manual?
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> I managed to implement a librarian that can pull all presets from a =
Matrix-12. So, I know that my code can generate a SysEx message that the =
Matrix-12 can understand. But, for some reason, sending a Display =
Command is completely ignored. It=E2=80=99s never been a priority to get =
that working, but I can=E2=80=99t understand why it wouldn=E2=80=99t =
work.
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> If anyone has been able to do this, on an Xpander or a Matrix-12, =
especially the latter, then please help me figure out the secret.
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> Brian Willoughby
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> p.s. The Xp/M12 SysEx has no way to write a full patch to the edit =
buffer. You can only overwrite one of the patch memories. I managed to =
find a way around this. My goal was to avoid erasing one of the memory =
locations just so I could audition a (potentially boring) patch before =
committing it to =E2=80=9Cpermanent=E2=80=9D storage. The solution is a =
giant subroutine that reads a single patch from the librarian database, =
and then goes through every since parameter, one by one, sending page =
edit commands to duplicate the settings. This actually works, and =
basically sets the Matrix-12 as if you had manually entered the patch in =
the edit buffer. It makes no permanent changes unless you decide to =
store. When first implemented, the code ran too fast for the Matrix-12 =
to keep up, so the patch would have lots of random parameters missing. =
The trick turned out to be a 75 millisecond delay between each SysEx =
edit message. Even with the delay, and the large number of parameters, =
it=E2=80=99s still basically =E2=80=9Cinstantaneous=E2=80=9D to select a =
patch from the librarian and then be able to hear it auditioned on the =
synth. Considering how much communication is going on in that feature, =
I=E2=80=99m very surprised that something as simple as the Display =
Command would not work. I must be missing something very simple.
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