From carl juarez Sent Wed, Oct 20th 1999, 01:06
From carl juarez Sent Wed, Oct 20th 1999, 01:06
At 10.41 -0700 10/19/99, solenoid wrote: >On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote: > >> >>absurd logical conclusion. Like >> >>someone's comment that Kraftwerk are >> >>"so stiff they're funky," >> >> I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s) >> stuff that was just like that, real systematic and stiff but somehow you >> can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm. Very odd. > >Hmm, I've always thought of "RAstakraut Pasta" on the Sky label (late >70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, and just remembered that >Czukay plays on some of those tracks! He's got a good heartbeat shuffle -- perhaps the European equivalent of the bass grooves of Parliament/Funkadelic. Likewise is _Zero Set_ by (?)Mobius/Plank/Neumaier(?) though not quite so infectious as Zazou/Bikaye/Cy1's _Noir et Blanc_, which was further humanized by Bikaye's vocals. >This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can >translate it into a real infectious body rhythm" hits a nerve for me for >describing my fascination with drum machines, computerized-shuffle, tape >loops, and electronic music in general...Any other music that anyone can >recommend that is >organic/live/acoustic that has this aspect? Miles Davis' _On the Corner_. The cyclic bass is repetitive but breathes also with a human beat. Rhythm instruments in isolation sound almost mathematical in concept -- almost typewriter rhythms -- but it all comes together into quite a groove that can last twenty minutes or more. (Why am I talking like this?) And I second the Fela Kuti. It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would also fit in this area. I recall a Voivod album . . . real chunky rhythms . . . Carl J