From Ben Bradley Sent Sat, Mar 23rd 2019, 03:52
From Ben Bradley Sent Sat, Mar 23rd 2019, 03:52
I like the Minimoog wheel style, and I agree there should be an option to have spring-return or not. I've thought there should be a third wheel that would (normally) control the filter frequency, as that's the other thing that gets the most performance-related use. I recall decades ago a friend telling me about a force-response joystick he saw. It wouldn't move, but it would output a voltage proportional to how much force you gave it. This was designed for military use, and there was a demo to use the joystick to track something on a screen, and also had a traditional joystick to use for comparison. My friend said it was much easier to track with the force-response joystick. I've wondered how well that would work for a synth controller. On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 10:03 PM John Grant <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > > > Don't know about Jan Hammer, but I recall an old interview with Chick Cor= ea, who had a pedal designed for the sole purpose of taking the pitch from = the note played up to almost out of hearing range. You can hear it on sever= al recorded solos at the time. Most of his "ordinary" pitch-bend was done o= n the MM wheel. > > > While I'm here, I'll vote for the Korg Z1 X-Y pad too - I must get it out= again! Prophecy was also fun. > > > And Korg have long had it's version of the Roland l-r joystick-style pitc= h bend, and I'm very used to that, and use it all the time on various model= s. The addition of the pad underneath on the Kronos-Oasys is very nice - it= allows, for example, to have the regular pitch joystick set to a whole ton= e, and the pad underneath set to an octave or more at the same time. > > > jg:: > > ```` > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lorne Hammond <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> > Sent: Friday, 22 March 2019 2:35 PM > To: 'Andrew Scheidler'; 'Analogue Heaven' > Subject: RE: [AH] Left Hand Control - survey > > > Now most people dont know that jan and Chorea and a lot of others had cus= tom spring loaded pedals for pitch bending their minimoogs. It wasn't all o= n the wheels. > > The adverts for them were in contemporary keyboard back in the day. > > > > Lorne > > > > From: Andrew Scheidler <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Sent: March-21-19 9:32 AM > To: Oakley Sound <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Cc: Analogue-Heaven <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [AH] Left Hand Control - survey > > > > I grew up with a Moog Prodigy and Jan Hammer albums, so my favorite is th= e good unsprung pitch and mod wheels. > > > > However, the Roland sideways bender lever with a spring is great for fast= "whammy bar" pitch drops, by swiping your hand to the left, catching the l= ever with your thumb and then letting it snap back on its own. > > > > There are some pretty awful examples of pitch bend out there! Whether y= ou like his playing or not, i think Jan Hammer set the standard. If you're= not familiar with his skills, check out "Sophie" by Jeff Beck off the Wire= d album. > > > > Andrew > > On Thursday, March 21, 2019, Oakley Sound via analogue <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx= l.org> wrote: > > My ideal situation would be a Roland style left to right centre sprung pi= tch bend lever with a non sprung mod wheel (or two). But the proviso to thi= s is that there must also be channel aftertouch because this is what I use = to add vibrato, open filters, etc. I don't care for Roland's 'push forward = the stick to get modulation' although it was improved later with more range= in the forward movement. > > The Nord Lead stick and wheel are probably closest to this but then they = ruin it by having cheap nasty crappy keyboards with no aftertouch. > > I tend to use the pitch bend with my thumb while the rest of the hand hol= ds the side of the synth. I only bend the pitch down. > > The Z1's X-Y pad was also great. It had a hold function and was pressure = sensitive IIRC. > > Novation's joystick was tolerable but it always seemed so fragile. The Ob= erheim paddles are quite good but with my Oberheims I have always swapped t= he pitch bend direction to the opposite of what they do normally. Down shou= ld be down. > > I cannot get on with the Minimoog style pitch wheel at all - whether it i= s sprung or not. And wheels or sticks on the front panel above the keyboard= are not for me either. > > That said, my main keyboard and controller was a D-50 for many years and = I pretty learned to play synths on that. Perhaps what you used the most in = your early days may well set the path of things that follow. > > I should add that having a Roland synth as your master midi controller is= a bit of a pain since virtually all Kontakt sample sets rely on a non spru= ng modulation wheel to do things. > > Tony > > www.oakleysound.com