(idm) Love that Digest Mode.

From Jason J. Tar
Sent Wed, Jun 30th 1999, 01:12

Allows me to see things in a bigger context.  Yeah, that is it.  Hmmm.

Gee, try and give good words to Horse Opera, and all of a sudden it becomes
all about Autechre.  Must the world revolve around them people?  Can one
say a comment about them (such as they lack a hiphop vibe that is readily
appearant in HO) without it becoming a big issue?  Guess not.
One might expect me to deem it all silly and forget about it, but this
beats writing lesson plans, so.... (after tomorrow, I promise to going back
to jaded lurker mode).

>well then...I stand corrected. not a note of hip hop influence in Ae's music.

Ah, now we are talking some sense.  :)

>and PBO? forget about it. there just can't be ANY hip hop flavor there
>either. well wait, let's first compare it to swollen member (since that IS
>the" be all, end all" of hip hop standards).

WHile Swollen Members are pretty hip, I never said NOR meant to imply that.
 Simply what was in the player when I read your message about Envane.  So I
took it out and tried listening to Envane again.  Now while it may have a
few staples of hip hop (scratch and sample), it definately lacks the vibe.
Nope, no hip hop in Autechre there.

>Autechre has a distinct hip-hop influence to these ears (which have been
>listening to real honest-to-goodness hip-hop for years). Check the tried
by 12
>remix or "Goz quarter" for evidence.

Your ears must be different then mine.  Yep, that be the ticket.  (...and
while Tried by 12 may have a hip hop vibe, that doesn't count as the vibe
was there before Autechre laid hands on it...)

>agreed. I never said that autechre was a rap ban who's missing an mc. I just
>thought it was a hilareous statement to say that there aren't hip-hop
>influences in SOME of their stuff. 
>I'm pretty sure I've read that rob & sean were (and maybe are) hip hop heads
>long before autechre happened, which would explain why to use the word
>"influence" wouldn't be so crazy.

Yeah, and I listened to Hank Williams and Waylon Jennings while growing up.
 Does that mean that the WWJD? release will have a country influence?
Maybe, but certainly not in any audible sense.
Just cause somebody listens to something, doesn't mean the sound is there.
Thought I made that clear with the DJ Entox reference (whose CD does not
reflect his BET and Spice Girls enjoying side).


>if you consider that crap that's coming out
>these days is still considered hiphop, i'm sure hiphop does not need to
>be defined so rigidly.

Not rigid, just needs a vibe.  I think you can get a consensus about taht.
And be sure in days of summer long, Autechre lacks that vibe.

>damn, this might as well be a fricken "who's IDM" thread.

WHEE, AN EASY QUESTION.  Answer:  Kid-606.  Right?  Right!  Check out the
GQ on the EQ and you'll know he's down with the intelligentsia set.
(Though I prefer his keepin' it real GunCourt 7" better).


>Subject: Re: (idm) idmfaq hello?

Maybe we can add a "what artists to not say a single negative comment about
without getting attacked by endearing fans" part.

>What the fuck is good now then????

Steven Stapleton, Otomo Yoshihide, Kevin Martin...oops, wrong list.  


To close...  Not trying to slag Autechre, I really enjoy their work.  "Le
Shark" is one of the better minutes in musical history.  But just trying
get names of artists who do put a real hip hop vibe to their sounds, not
this hyped up "well we used to listen to it back in the day, so that is
close enough right?" type stuff.  Artists like Horse Opera, Jack Dangers,
Coldcut... (ARe there others???  Kid promised a split 7" with Lex dedicated
to NWA, perhaps that'll deliver).  But I'm tired of buying stuff that is
the techno meets hip hop sensation just to find another run of the mill IDM
release with maybe a sprinkling of flavor.  Where is the full on burst of
flavor that makes your mouth runneth over like your eating PopRocks?

Jason J. Tar

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