From Brian Willoughby Sent Wed, Oct 10th 2018, 08:32
From Brian Willoughby Sent Wed, Oct 10th 2018, 08:32
That=E2=80=99s very interesting. Thanks for describing how the Haken = synth works. I assume that the saved pitchbend, y, and pressure values are frozen at = their last position once the note is released, or if not right away then = they surely must remain frozen as soon as a new note starts on the same = channel. In other words, bending a channel only bends one note on that = channel, not also any released note on that channel. You did say that (up to) 16 released values are independent of bending, = but I wanted to confirm the behavior. I seem to recall that the only link between controller and synth is = MIDI, but I also recall reading about a proprietary I2C interface with = the CV expander. If you=E2=80=99re familiar with how that operates, = I=E2=80=99d be curious. Of course, I don=E2=80=99t recall a 32-channel = Gate + X, Y, Z CV expander, so maybe the 32-note polyphony is not = supported by the CVC. Brian On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:38 PM, laurie <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > regarding point 2 ..... There are certain instances such as some of = the internals on a Haken Continuum, where the Polyphony is 32 notes, and = the buffer saves previous pressure (z) pitchbend (x) values in released = (note off or special pedal controller held modes) the 16 midi channels = control 16 fingers worth of pitch bending inputting and the buffer = remembers the 16 released values also independant of bending until the = rotation of all 32 have occurred ... >=20 > ---- On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:43:45 -0500 Brian Willoughby = <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote ---- >> There=E2=80=99s no difference between MPE and standard MIDI Mode 4, = except for a couple of details:=20 >>=20 >> 1) MPE only allows PolyAT on one channel, the Master Channel. It=E2=80=99= s disallowed on other channels, for =E2=80=9Cfuture redefinition.=E2=80=9D= =20 >>=20 >> 2) When you play the 17th simultaneous note, and beyond, MPE differs = from Mode 4. But this is almost a moot point since nothing handles 17 or = more notes at once with full polyphonic expression in multiple = dimensions. This all stems from MIDI having 16 channels.=20 >>=20 >> MPE officially allows more than 16 simultaneous notes, but you lose = polyphonic expression on notes that end up on the same channel, because = PolyAT is disallowed and because no other messages exist for polyphonic = expression on a single channel.=20 >>=20 >> Mode 4 is technically supposed to be Mono, but manufacturers like = Ensoniq offer two variations of Mode 4, one which is Mono, and another = that is Poly. Of course, Mode 4 still suffers because there is no way to = distinguish expression for notes on the same channel except PolyAT, = which is a single dimension. With Mode 4, you can=E2=80=99t have more = than 16 independent pitch mods or more than 16 independent mods in a = third dimension. Only PolyAT allows unlimited polyphony (well, no more = than 2048 notes) within Mode 4.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> So, unless you need more than 16 notes of polyphony, there=E2=80=99s = no difference between MPE and Mode 4.=20 >>=20 >> The goal of MPE seems to be ease of setup, and to offer terminology = that allows vendors to say that they support something. MPE doesn=E2=80=99= t technically make anything new possible. Ensoniq were never exactly = able to put a logo on their synth saying that it could handle a special = Mode 4 with Poly capability, so at least MPE gives us something to talk = about.=20 >>=20 >> But, to get to your actual complaint, are you saying that the Moog = One doesn=E2=80=99t support 16 channels with separate pitch, pressure, = and controller expression? I mean, I was able to get the 1984 vintage = Oberheim Matrix-12 to respond to polyphonic expression coming from a = Soundplane on ten or even twelve touch/channels. In that example, I was = disappointed that the Matrix-12 didn=E2=80=99t support PolyAT, but at = least there=E2=80=99s a way to get it to work with MonoAT (which is what = MPE uses). I haven=E2=80=99t tried, but I believe it would be rather = straightforward to set up the Matrix-12 to respond to MPE, so I really = hope that the Moog One can at least match the capabilities of a poly = synth that=E2=80=99s 34 years older. I wouldn=E2=80=99t be terribly = surprised if it falls short, though.=20 >>=20 >> Brian Willoughby=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Scott Fox <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:=20 >> > I wish it supported MPE. That said, I wish so many synths supported = MPE. <3=20 >> >=20 >> > Scott=20 >> >=20 >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018, 9:38 AM Marshall Craig, <xxxxxx@xx.xxx> wrote:=20= >> >> I wouldn=E2=80=99t sell off the MIDIBoard so quickly, the One = responds to PolyAT over MIDI.=20 >> >>=20 >> >> Sent from my iPhone=20 >> >>=20 >> >> > On Oct 8, 2018, at 08:07, Ryan L <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:=20= >> >> >=20 >> >> > Selling off a bunch to get a Moog one!:=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > Deckards dream rev 2 prebuilt : $3300!!!=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > Digitakt: $600=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > Digitone: $600=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > (both in box and mint)=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > Kurzweil Midiboard limited edition: $700 local pick up only = (Brooklyn, NY)