From Malte Steiner Sent Sat, Apr 30th 2005, 17:37
From Malte Steiner Sent Sat, Apr 30th 2005, 17:37
I am on way to much mailinglists but information is the key. When I look on it, it tends more to be technical rather then genre orientated, because I don't like the idea to be locked in one genre, I am my own genre :) Analogue Heaven on hyperreal provides lot of information on recent and past analog (and VA) gear but tends to be a bit strict and conservative. ProgRock bands seems to be the heros which is an horror for me. There is a counterpart, Digital Hell but very low traffic. Of interest are the Max/MSP, PD and Csound lists, if you use these software, more general is the dsp list (http://shoko.calarts.edu/musicdsp) which gives some sound synthesis inspiration even if you not a programmer. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- Konform live 21.may ZMF Berlin, Germany New release: Notstandskomitee track for compilation 12" 'world of disorder' on http://www.disorder-records.de more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 30 14:20:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35505-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23173 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:20:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 23162 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:20:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:20:16 +0000 From: rafael flores <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] What other electronic musicrelated mailing lists is everybody on? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.206] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2005 14:20:17.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB718BD0:01C54D8F] www.modisti.com ______________________________________ rafael flores :. apartado 163 23740 andujar :. spain www.rafaelflores.net www.soundsense.blogspot.com xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx >From: Sim <xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: Sim <xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: [microsound] What other electronic musicrelated mailing lists is >everybody on? >Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:07:47 -0700 > >Title says it all. > >Seems to me there is a bunch of people here who are pretty eager to >know stuff about electronic/computer music. I am currently enrolled on >3 hypperreal mailinglists: gabber idm and this one. I noticed some ppl >from this list are also on the idm one so i figured they might even >dwell on more. Good forumlocations are also welcome altough i must say >i like mailinglists better. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 30 11:37:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35504-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80396 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:37:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 80384 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:37:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:37:44 +1000 (EST) From: Matthew Oshannessy <xxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] for trade To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Mvsy0aerNPg1KQIn8jAyrQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Mvsy0aerNPg1KQIn8jAyrQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the following items are available for trade: m. o’shannessy/e. sprod – (untitled) 3” cd-r duration: 16:31 eamon (aka tarab, objects) and i (mouth/electronics) strapped on our contact microphones and spent several sunday afternoons in early 2004 channelling prickly static through cheap equipment into rmit studio. the results were condensed into two tracks: one edited by eamon, the other by me. this is weird stuff—an imaginary landscape constructed from insect frequencies, tiny dribbles of moisture, exposed nerves, crystalline growths and disabled electronics. m. o’shannessy – out of this life dvd-r (2004) duration: 6:09 my second go at film making, out of this life is a documentary of sorts. created from fragments of a found audio letter and appropriated and improvised footage, the film draws attention to its own dismembering of another’s experience, while simultaneously attempting to evoke that experience. limited to 20 copies. these items are not for sale. i will trade for the rough equivalent in pretty much anything of interest, including (but not limited to) cds, dvds, zines, authentic ufo photos etc. if you have nothing to trade, email me and we can probably come to an arrangement. email: xxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 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Sat Apr 30 04:40:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35503-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90255 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:40:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 90238 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:40:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:40:32 -0400 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Roadcase for iMac G4 17" widescreen?? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE988480.4261%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If anyone can help me, I¹d be infinately greatful - I need to safely transport an iMac g4 with a widescreen with a pile of audio gear on a train, and it needs to be easily carried in one hand. It needs to be something that can be put in other vehicles and mixed in with other cases full of gear without me worrying about it being damaged. Does anyone have any ideas or links fo rme? -adam young adam young tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 21:21:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35502-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44502 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:21:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 44489 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:21:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:21:02 +0200 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Oto Onkyo _ Playlist To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gMaIestOuXXFXeZKg7hLJA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_gMaIestOuXXFXeZKg7hLJA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi list, here are the 2 last oto onkyo playlist: You can check older one here : http://oto-onkyo.blogspot.com/ I'm steel searching new material for the show, if you are interested to have your sounds broadcasted in France, contact me. Have a nice week-end, cheers Dimitri VEN.29_04_2005 Heller _ JNV 04.1 _ .01..05. _ Optical Sound Fugazi _ Arpeggiator (demo) _ Instrument _ Dischord Frank bretschneider _ Go ! said the bird _ Looping I-VI _ Raster Noton Coh _ Novotel Suite ext _ Electric Electric _ Raster Noton Heller _ otb 03 _ .01..05. _ Optical Sound Autechre _Live internet streaming Rechenzentrum _ Leak _ SoundXVision 2004(V/A) Cornelius _ Wataridori _ SoundXVision 2004(V/A) Fonica _ Coda _ Ripple _ Plop Kim Cascone _ Zephirium Scan _ An anthology of noise & electronic Music (V/A) Morton Subotnick_ Mandolin _ An anthology of noise & electronic Music (V/A) Mitchell Akiyama _ Arteial _ Archiv1 (V/A) _ Raster Noton O’Blatt _ Here Else Ilpo Vasainen _ Klikki _ Asuma _ Mego Autechre _ Live internet Stream VEN.15_04_2005 Agf/Dlay _ the return of us _ clickhop version 1 Aaron Miller _ 4 _ Modularia _ Otodisc Aaron Miller _ 6 _ Modularia _ Otodisc Aaron Miller _ 5 _ Modularia _ Otodisc Ambulance _ Rodeo _ The Curse of Vale Do Lobo Gescom _ Mag3.1426 (ae remix) _ This _ Skam Autechre _ Live internet streaming Brian Lavelle _ Time Emptied _ MicroSound Parasites Project Alva Noto _ Remodel _ Transvision _ Raster Noton Stephan Mathieu _ A Pillow for Sue _ Good Night, Music To Sleep By (V/A) _ Tigerbeat6 Fennesz _ 2005.02.19 (LIVE) Yasunao Tone _ Wounded Man’ yo 2-2000 _ Self Titled Stephan Mathieu _ A Drink Song (fuer Katja) _ Good Night, Music To Sleep By(V/A) _ Tigerbeat6 Taylor Deupree _ Bare _ Between Two Point (V/A) _ 12k --Boundary_(ID_gMaIestOuXXFXeZKg7hLJA)-- From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 20:52:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35501-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32678 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:52:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 32659 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:52:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:52:00 -0400 From: Adam Young <xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Garageband experiment - question about Garageband To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE9816B0.424E%xxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I¹m trying to use Garageband as a universal platform for a collaborative project between myself and a couple people it was the best option because it was cheap and all we needed was the ability to lay and adjust multiple tracks and their panning and simple editing. Anyway, we are finding it gets ³stuck² at bar 999. Is there a way past this? Or is it a limitation of the program? We¹ve all upgraded to Garageband 2 -adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 20:47:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35500-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30257 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:47:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 30245 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:47:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:47:53 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joakim_Lind=E9n?= <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000901c54cfc$b72ac430$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, vOICe is a pretty nice piece of software... Very configurable for your needs. The synthesis can be altered quite extensively. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jake elliott" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software i don't want to fork this conversation away from the dialogue developing about "transcoding" but i just followed links to this totally interesting project: ttp://www.seeingwithsound.com/voice.htm "The vOICe Learning Edition translates arbitrary video images from a regular PC camera into sounds. This means that you can see with your ears, whenever you want to. Now step beyond your computer screen and screen reader and try this camera-based "scene reader". With a notebook PC you can even go mobile. How well you can learn to see with your ears is something that only you can find out, but now you can indeed find out and learn through this Learning Edition software, for free!" the sample sounds remind me of "classic" electronic/synthesizer music. :) this is the technology discussed in an episode of 'quirks&quarks' that was blogged just now on boingboing: http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/archives/04-05/apr02.html best, jake On 4/25/05, under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file > (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that > can > be used for that? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 18:49:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35499-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79410 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:49:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 79400 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:49:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:49:38 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BFHLJ0PhtZkw0hCzkMNEaGWHZe3Iih3m92VbBLGaNBtgsFzsxZUSrVVIQP9kfs9goB+T11v9IEDS+PzsUk6sLBImohxarZyAuEeQzHatXVTWwRrYOCC6ARMAPSXrAhNPJ8oDm8k224jIAGiQc8m8in8gRgilbdAOMxAc/UQWNjs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i don't want to fork this conversation away from the dialogue developing about "transcoding" but i just followed links to this totally interesting project: ttp://www.seeingwithsound.com/voice.htm "The vOICe Learning Edition translates arbitrary video images from a regular PC camera into sounds. This means that you can see with your ears, whenever you want to. Now step beyond your computer screen and screen reader and try this camera-based "scene reader". With a notebook PC you can even go mobile. How well you can learn to see with your ears is something that only you can find out, but now you can indeed find out and learn through this Learning Edition software, for free!" the sample sounds remind me of "classic" electronic/synthesizer music. :) this is the technology discussed in an episode of 'quirks&quarks' that was blogged just now on boingboing: http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/archives/04-05/apr02.html best, jake On 4/25/05, under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file > (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that can > be used for that? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 18:13:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35498-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60213 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:13:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 60203 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:13:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:13:51 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] andrew jones? In-reply-to: <001d01c54cab$a0384cd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.208] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2005 18:13:51.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[3247F4A0:01C54CE7] Sorry to post this to the list. Just tring to get a hold of andrew jones, lost your contact, anyone have it? thanks, Scott --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 11:06:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35497-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4511 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:06:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 4501 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:06:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:07:25 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joakim_Lind=E9n?= <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] What happened to BionixFX? Has anyone heard anything? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001d01c54cab$a0384cd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DbuwM7hp/0cqm9Wkfx77jw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_DbuwM7hp/0cqm9Wkfx77jw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This thing was supposed to harness the raw power of todays gfx boards and use them for sound processing. Since gfx boards have a much larger market, they are much cheaper compared to developing a new card with the same power used only for audio purposes. It seemed like a great thing, and it even got some attention @ Tom's Hardware and Slashdot. Since then, nothing has happened...as far as I know. Anyone up to speed on this? http://www.bionicfx.com/ Joakim --Boundary_(ID_DbuwM7hp/0cqm9Wkfx77jw)-- From ???@??? Fri Apr 29 11:02:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35496-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2912 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:02:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 2902 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:02:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:02:54 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joakim_Lind=E9n?= <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001601c54caa$fe944b90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <022301c54b64$897ed290$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx What about floating point 32 bit images. These can be output from various 3d applications in formats like OpenEXR or HDR, and I believe some camera RAW formats does have a limited version of a 32bit space so that exposure and such things can be altered after the image is shot... A 32bit (per channel) image will have a much much higher dynamic range, instead of the straight 256 levels per channel in most images, and could possibly create a more fluid transition between frequencies and amplitude - if you want to extract sound that way. Just a thought. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 28 19:16:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35495-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48068 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:16:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 48058 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:16:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:16:08 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] What other electronic musicrelated mailing lists is everybody on? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Sim <xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001001c54c26$bc551d10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx www.em411.com is a good community for helpful feedback your music, techniques and software hardware issues.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sim" <xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: [microsound] What other electronic musicrelated mailing lists is everybody on? Title says it all. Seems to me there is a bunch of people here who are pretty eager to know stuff about electronic/computer music. I am currently enrolled on 3 hypperreal mailinglists: gabber idm and this one. I noticed some ppl from this list are also on the idm one so i figured they might even dwell on more. Good forumlocations are also welcome altough i must say i like mailinglists better. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 28 19:08:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35494-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43859 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:07:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 43849 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:07:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:07:47 -0700 From: Sim <xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] What other electronic musicrelated mailing lists is everybody on? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Sim <xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Wfvs1IzURoZYZDLBVDQO1WoPI/lnN5wtfOxxb0s8lKc8FSu6VllAkc4el2/iTcSVJxffmtpyNYID7fABioVrXxxe6ZA8LysCiKMWQDKTOGkqbsx3NxRQKPcJEviGa9NDGy0BAGCMc4s5Lxp0GGoT3pDqGips1+iBi41dcQVSX2I= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Title says it all. Seems to me there is a bunch of people here who are pretty eager to know stuff about electronic/computer music. I am currently enrolled on 3 hypperreal mailinglists: gabber idm and this one. I noticed some ppl from this list are also on the idm one so i figured they might even dwell on more. Good forumlocations are also welcome altough i must say i like mailinglists better. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 28 17:05:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35493-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75613 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:05:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 75602 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:05:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ChNOzqqyAWoPn32o31y0ZDR+9QUUcwl2P4L0+OaO85FmjjroYxIclPk4DsMzUJPN4Vkla53gsezHp8YB8J/NiRH06WXzO1ZlkmdMIwfCR/yJU2XFgQOLq6i3gJpRlpfu5DzsyzkxfTTLZDwJZdiMVtiYe4JI0YdzxRcpAyChJ5w= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm glad that you bring this up. There are many "conventional" methods for converting image2sound or sound2image. These conventions seem for the most part to be academic models that are not as concerned with aesthetic results. The fact is, all things in the digital realm are a form of data, and that data is infinitely transposable and transmutable if you have the right tools for manipulating it. Each pixel contains 3 or 4 numbers (depending on whether it has an alpha channel), which can be readily used as parameters for any number of synthesis modules. If you are using a moving image, it is perhaps better to analyze the matrix as a whole to get shifting information in time. I personally would avoid the arbitrary results of a pre-fab software converter. I once created a patch that allowed a user to scrub through an image with a joystick to get parameters that drove some complex FM synthesis. This approach offers a more performative possibility, as you are using the image as a 3-4 layered map that can be navigated to mine sounds. andrew --- derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> wrote: > I think any discussion of "transcoding" image (or > other data) into sound > has to take into account that such mapping is purely > subjective. The > artistry is in finding meaningful transpositions > from one medium to > another. Using "raw" data as sample values is > certainly one way, and > using an image as spectrographic values for > resynthesis is certainly > another. There are certainly enough softwares out > there that do either > trick, and those sounds are familiar to us from the > many many artists > who have used those softs already (to death in some > cases). Dig a little > deeper and decide for yourself the relationship of > pixel to sample > instead of relying on other people's ready-mades and > you might be on to > something new. > > Anyway, I'll be giving a workshop with Sara Kolster > on PD and GEM in > Bergen Norway next month, and one facet of that > workshop is the > relationship of (moving) image to sound. Emphasis > will be placed on > direct connections between sound and image through > three different > methods: influence of sound on image, influence of > image on sound and > the use of common "control data" for both image and > sound. Full text has > been posted on the Microsound-announce list: > > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce/2005-April/000080.html > > derek > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 175: > "What are the sections sections of? Imagine a > caterpillar moving" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 28 13:22:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35492-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55139 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:22:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 55129 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:22:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:35:31 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <022301c54b64$897ed290$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <022301c54b64$897ed290$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think any discussion of "transcoding" image (or other data) into sound has to take into account that such mapping is purely subjective. The artistry is in finding meaningful transpositions from one medium to another. Using "raw" data as sample values is certainly one way, and using an image as spectrographic values for resynthesis is certainly another. There are certainly enough softwares out there that do either trick, and those sounds are familiar to us from the many many artists who have used those softs already (to death in some cases). Dig a little deeper and decide for yourself the relationship of pixel to sample instead of relying on other people's ready-mades and you might be on to something new. Anyway, I'll be giving a workshop with Sara Kolster on PD and GEM in Bergen Norway next month, and one facet of that workshop is the relationship of (moving) image to sound. Emphasis will be placed on direct connections between sound and image through three different methods: influence of sound on image, influence of image on sound and the use of common "control data" for both image and sound. Full text has been posted on the Microsound-announce list: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce/2005-April/000080.html derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 175: "What are the sections sections of? Imagine a caterpillar moving" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 28 06:39:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35491-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14869 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:39:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 14858 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:39:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: lloyd barrett <xxxxxx_xxxxxxxx_xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Incidental Amplifications: Call for Works To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AA/NRDvoDM7h7i1ezSyk+/5VPZg+gt+QPkZfInj1OaJ+A/s+EGrnruV0r3sYz3LhI2+G2btnj/kvAVAZQ0w8JW/NiRDdB/Anba0+DxT7Sxo5Tk+qw00mlCnhqdLbj/QKV888hVTY19KQo6UyazjxnLW/U/x8fbeixzR/fGWE9aE= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx INCIDENTAL AMPLIFICATIONS Curated By Lloyd Barrett // Lawrence English For most of us, our every moment (awake and unconscious) is enveloped by sound. From the obnoxious alarm tone that raises us from slumber to the microscopic sounds of natural nocturnal transmissions; there is always sound. As a society we have increasingly sought to augment and indeed control the environments around us. All manner of tools have been utilised in this ongoing war against the unfamiliar, the unexpected and the ‘undesirable’. Along with a variety of visuals cues, sound is progressively used to colour our surroundings with aural hues. The Twentieth Century brought with it an unparalleled use of artificial sound in the form of George Squier’s Muzak – a creation designed to enhance (and perhaps determine) amongst other things our ‘shopping’ experience. For decades, no mall or place of substantial commerce was complete without the dulcet tones of Muzak. To many it would seem that there is a world of difference between the bleating high frequency sounds of an Indian marketplace and multiple channels of mid-tempo instrumental music filling our shopping malls; however the ability for sound to draw and focus our attention is universal and well documented. But what of the remaining sounds? The incidental sounds that Muzak tries (and often fails) to mask: a dropped plate in the kitchen; a leaky tap; the creaking sounds of heated aluminium roofing and the ever-present air conditioner. Incidental Amplifications reclaims the consumer soundscape by dispersing pieces made from incidental sounds into a variety of public spaces including the Fortitude Valley and Chinatown mall multi-speaker sound-systems in Brisbane, Australia. Selected submissions will be sequenced and dispersed late nights as part of Liquid Architecture 6, Valley Fiesta and the Queensland Music Festival 2005. Artists from Queensland, Australia and the rest of the world are invited to contribute an audio work that addresses the ideas of reclaiming and utilising these subsidiary soundtracks to our everyday shopping/urban/rural experiences. The pieces selected for the exhibition can be of variable length. Guidelines for submission are as follows: 1) Submitted pieces must address incidental sounds either directly (field recordings etc) or indirectly (reconfigured sound or synthesised incidentals); 2) All pieces must be suitable for use in a public space with a general audience; 3) All submission should be sent as a data and audio CD; 4) Submissions are due by Monday 23rd May 2005. Please send all submissions to ROOM40 C/O: LAWRENCE ENGLISH, PO BOX 771 HAMILTON CENTRAL QLD AUSTRALIA 4007 This project is supported by Liquid Architecture, Queensland Music Festival, Valley Fiesta, Room40 and Small Black Box. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:09 AM, ||anton| aeki|| wrote: > hello, > > does anyone know an app like hyperupic for os9 ? > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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This will be my real debut as ³DIREWIRES² as I will be performing at the festival this year. I hope that those that are able to make it out to see the show and enjoy the rest of the festival as well. I've included a portion of text from my last mailing list send out here: For friends, fans, enemies and eager ears everywhere - A special announcement. Adam Young of Tractile will perform what will be known as his world live debut as DIREWIRES at MUTEK 2005 in Montreal, PQ. Festival takes place June 1-5. MUTEK 2005 Night 3 Room 1 : Vertex, Diane Labrosse, Günter Müller, Marcus Schmickler, Discom Room 2 : Direwires, Klimek & Tim Hecker with Lia, Meek, Bruno Pronsato, Apparat, Pan/Tone (Aka Sid Lerock) June 3, 21h @ Just for Laughs Museum Tickets: $22.50 in Advance, $27.50 after May 20 (plus tax and s.f.) MORE INFORMATION TO COME. PLEASE STAY GLUED TO MUTEK.CA and DIREWIRES.COM. Thank you. A note or two about DIREWIRES: ?Direwires? is a project that blurs the lines between sound art and musical composition. Using specific technique and criteria, Adam writes a comprehensive soundtrack to his own life; treating it as if it were a film. Influenced by the work of composer Koji Kondo (namely selections from the Zelda: Ocarina of Time) as well as experimental and ambient artists from around the globe, Adam employs the use of field recordings, familiar sounds and voices to weave a tapestry of beautiful tones and musical expressi ons. adam young tractile.net | direwires.com | adyo.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Wed Apr 27 09:47:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35484-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58603 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:47:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 58592 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:47:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: guiver ben <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] help! need protools not free version In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0gowKotfLBlpQogRRbDgb7Ph8a9ppqWkEw5VH7e6xDoLedTA3ICaEeEVXc2Mw3y9jneDrJIGC+++/+WSVHgT3TKhclOZUg4oqjYTPWjG4u1JD4AdexyN0bUoMWqkYifvjp0g2JZ4oUscHqenXdZI294MZT2ZLYiu14B+NBDbgkE= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear All, hello. i am in need of some kind of version of protools to run on my mac 9650 / os9/ g3 sonnet upgrade running at 400mhz. the idea being that i could then buy a cheap audiomedia 3 card and bob's your uncle i dont have to use the crappy audio in and out that are on the mac motherboard. also that i dont then have to upgrade in a way that could be terminal for my bank account. i dont want to buy a m box and an ibook, well not right now anyway. although i have logic 4.5 an so it may well be most practical to buy an emagic 12 12 or whatever they're called, then use the files in protools, it'd just be nice to have the opportunity to use protools straight through. sorry if this comes across as very braindead. any advice / offers of help would be greatly recieved. yours sincerely, ben guiver 07958 658569 (uk mobile) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Apr 27 09:09:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35483-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44349 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:09:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 44339 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:09:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:09:48 +0000 From: ||anton| aeki|| <xxxxx@xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> X-Mailer: TWIG 2.8.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Client-IP: 194.78.139.231 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hello, does anyone know an app like hyperupic for os9 ? Anthony Saunders <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> said: > > there are a lot of apps that will open any file for you, but that's > generally not very satisfying beyond the immediate visceral thrill of > the harsh sound of raw data. Good for source material. > > Apps like Metasynth and Hyperupic are much more interesting in the long > term, because they are specifically designed for this application. > > Metasynth 4 is desirable and powerful, but priced outside the range of > an impulse buy, ($599 for the 24bit version!), so this encouraged me to > spend some time with Hyperupic and Photoshop Elements (as Hyperupic > leaves you to use an image editor of your own choice), which I found to > be quite rewarding. > > the basic principle is that the image is read in with one dimension > being time and the other being the frequency spectrum. the colors are > then translated into sound based on their intensities, and you can also > have it interpret the stereo space. An enormous amount of flexibility > is supplied in the way you can create scales and frequency > distributions... you can lose hours, in the best way, to tweaking the > settings! > > it can use either a sinewave or an additive series of sinewaves or an > audio file as the oscilator for the sounds. > > I get the most useful/expressive results by making images that are very > light with colors that fade in and out, with much more intense pieces > here and there to encourage a wide dynamic range. taking the time to > run the process on the same image with multiple audio files as the > sound source, and tweaking the wide variety of settings and saving > dozens of audio files is the strategy I take with this. > > hyperupic is freeware for OS X (and originally Next): > http://silvertone.princeton.edu/~penrose/soft/index.html > > one of the projects I'm currently working on uses roughly 60 sounds > made with hyperupic and photoshop, and then layered and processed with > Logic Pro 7 and Soundhack. > > Anthony > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 27 00:19:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35482-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80555 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:19:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 80542 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:19:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:19:44 -0400 From: Anthony Saunders <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx there are a lot of apps that will open any file for you, but that's generally not very satisfying beyond the immediate visceral thrill of the harsh sound of raw data. Good for source material. Apps like Metasynth and Hyperupic are much more interesting in the long term, because they are specifically designed for this application. Metasynth 4 is desirable and powerful, but priced outside the range of an impulse buy, ($599 for the 24bit version!), so this encouraged me to spend some time with Hyperupic and Photoshop Elements (as Hyperupic leaves you to use an image editor of your own choice), which I found to be quite rewarding. the basic principle is that the image is read in with one dimension being time and the other being the frequency spectrum. the colors are then translated into sound based on their intensities, and you can also have it interpret the stereo space. An enormous amount of flexibility is supplied in the way you can create scales and frequency distributions... you can lose hours, in the best way, to tweaking the settings! it can use either a sinewave or an additive series of sinewaves or an audio file as the oscilator for the sounds. I get the most useful/expressive results by making images that are very light with colors that fade in and out, with much more intense pieces here and there to encourage a wide dynamic range. taking the time to run the process on the same image with multiple audio files as the sound source, and tweaking the wide variety of settings and saving dozens of audio files is the strategy I take with this. hyperupic is freeware for OS X (and originally Next): http://silvertone.princeton.edu/~penrose/soft/index.html one of the projects I'm currently working on uses roughly 60 sounds made with hyperupic and photoshop, and then layered and processed with Logic Pro 7 and Soundhack. Anthony --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 22:59:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35480-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46620 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:59:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 46610 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:59:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:59:37 +0200 From: "Sune T. B. Nielsen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <071f01c54ab3$9ef11bd0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cool Edit opens any file and plays it as sound. /Sune ----- Original Message ----- From: "under the radar" <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [microsound] image to sound conversion software > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file > (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that > can be used for that? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 23:13:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35481-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55607 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:13:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 55596 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:13:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:27:08 -0500 From: Jonathan Zorn <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] small runs of CDs In-reply-to: <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have used amtech for several small runs of CDs. http://www.amtechdisc.com/index.htm Jonathan Zorn http://set-projects.com/ On Apr 26, 2005, at 3:15 PM, David @ Audiobulb wrote: > Does anyone know of a pressing plant that will do a run of 300 CDs? > (not CD-Rs).... > > Thanks (David) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 21:01:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35479-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91346 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:01:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 91327 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:01:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:01:24 +0200 From: Marta Klonowska <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] !!! Meet the blip-pop Superstars !!! 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Tue Apr 26 20:30:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35478-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74204 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:30:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 74193 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:30:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:30:00 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] small runs of CDs In-reply-to: <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.15.233 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=sFPj5zPWb1zL86PUhVoLobX9iB7412qQ4bqSFBA69cgadJdxUVdSLmaEhLkAEl/Z; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609330f01ee799ab67a5998af3331344560667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx you might try: http://www.copycatsmedia.com/products/index.htm on Apr 26, 2005, at 1:15 PM, David @ Audiobulb wrote: > Does anyone know of a pressing plant that will do a run of 300 CDs? > (not CD-Rs).... > > Thanks (David) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 20:20:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35477-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67819 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:20:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 67807 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:20:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:20:14 -0500 From: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] small runs of CDs In-reply-to: <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: vadim <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jgo3KYTKPJDiJ25CfiVzD443aA/VPzejPekjNS0ByHl+HmTa2kHicuKCg3VZGXZ4O9j6+bZNbEahLC+RQdKchAZoGxzM66y69SJ/ZcEA6h4hp02TY8OSRJXuVEGX5ad1HuCXkm35zZe9YkK5JNyw0Z1nxpqpU1b/zAOYiJ6TvuM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx maybe dual plover? not sure if they have a minimum. www.dualplover.com On 4/26/05, David @ Audiobulb <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Does anyone know of a pressing plant that will do a run of 300 CDs? (not > CD-Rs).... -- v' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 20:15:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35476-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64931 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:15:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 64921 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:15:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:15:00 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] small runs of CDs To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002d01c54a9c$a07c4720$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Does anyone know of a pressing plant that will do a run of 300 CDs? (not CD-Rs).... Thanks (David) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 17:26:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35475-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50207 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:26:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 50162 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:26:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:24:32 +0100 From: 8m2 stereo <xxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] re: image to sound conversion software To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,de-DE Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated: #22541782 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, just new on this list, maybe this helps though.. i like it a lot for messing with audiofiles, also excellent fm-synth; ...have a look here : "A set of audio, video and text filters and generators for the Macintosh." http://www.akirarabelais.com/software/software.html and for "binaural mics" (in germany) maybe have a look at the "soundman OKM" series.. not sure if they are sold elsewhere. best, from köln, elmar / 8m2stereo http://www.emit.cc/exclusives.jsp http://pathmusick.hermetech.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 13:18:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35474-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94769 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:18:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 94758 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:18:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:18:28 +0000 From: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Authenticated-Sender: bXJjYXJwQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Has anyone mentioned www.soundprofessionals.com? i've been buying mics from them for years and recently got a pair of in-ear binaurals that have proven to work extremely well in a wide range of settings with my 16/44 .wav recording portable. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 26 07:46:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35473-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 03:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 03:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83148 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:46:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 83138 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:46:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:46:31 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] m-dist To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-DistLoop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a Linux midi distro: http://www.plus24.com/m-dist/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 23:59:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35472-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16074 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:58:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 16062 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:58:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:42 -0500 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] [ot]multi-user drawing To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001801c549fb$17807280$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Of interest[?] http://ericdeis.com/projects/beauty%20and%20chaos/Launch%20Project.php Michael North www.phoniq.net xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx x.x.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 22:57:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35471-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92482 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:57:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 92460 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:57:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:57:22 +0200 From: punck <xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [help] atrac3 to Wav To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003101c549ea$25884670$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.marcnetsystem.co.uk/himd export your recordings from himd to pc with sonicstage (like omg or ogm) convert the files into wav,mp3,ogg... with HiMdRenderer o.31 the latest version is the 0.31 it is free and work fine. ciao punck http://www.punck.net http://www.ctrlaltcanc.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mika Martini" <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: [microsound] [help] atrac3 to Wav > Hi microsounders, > > Can anyone help me: ¿how can i convert a recording in sony hi-md atrac3 format to WAV, within de Software SonyStage? ¿this is posible or hi-md is a bluf...? > > Please respond off-list > > Best, Mika. > > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + > [M!M] [CHILE] > [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. > Visíta Yahoo! 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Mon Apr 25 19:48:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35470-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 708 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:48:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 675 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:48:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:47:49 +0200 From: pAn the Green 9 <xxx@x-xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] OT:_Prague To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x-xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi ... ill be in Prague the 14-16 of May ... can you recommend any exhibitions, concerts etc I could see while there .... please contact me off list thanx -pAn "make your hate solid in silence ... 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Mon Apr 25 17:56:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35469-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45411 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:56:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 45397 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:56:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:55:47 +0200 From: mik <xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Frank Barknecht schreef: > Hallo, > under the radar hat gesagt: // under the radar wrote: > > >>I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file >>(.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that >>can be used for that? > > > Juergen Reuter presented his SoundPaint program this weekend at the > Linux Audio Conference: > > Jürgen Reuter > SoundPaint - Painting Music > > http://www.ipd.uka.de/~reuter/soundpaint/ m -- -------------------------------------------- ----------- http://www.mprims.tk -------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 17:47:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35468-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39651 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:47:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 39641 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:47:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:47:17 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, under the radar hat gesagt: // under the radar wrote: > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file > (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that > can be used for that? Juergen Reuter presented his SoundPaint program this weekend at the Linux Audio Conference: Jürgen Reuter SoundPaint - Painting Music We present a paradigm for synthesizing electronic music by graphical composing. The problem of mapping colors to sounds is studied in detail from a mathematical as well as a pragmatic point of view. We show how to map colors to sounds in a user-definable, topology preserving manner. We demonstrate the usefulness of our approach on our prototype implementation of a graphical composing tool. Slides and Paper of his talk are online, an Ogg recording was promised to follow later: http://lac.zkm.de/papers/juergen_reuter.pdf http://lac.zkm.de/slides/juergen_reuter_slides.pdf Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 17:17:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35467-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27247 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:17:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 27220 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:17:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:17:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Mika Martini <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [help] atrac3 to Wav In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aB+AZmh7J92N1of+UjZCiQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=34eFiOLJWbjuaaruIJdU3egGdAD/zwmSI4U9kj2j1ANSF60lBIytfX0wI1PFdEnmzKeJYCSMKb0bxy0n7wntKmvVdHhf0YOfBbvNz9SWAVmitU2XdamMQlarHGcMm7xN4B30/uqxccCjMEWZpsCG6NooHhinheBLTCOehnhYwO4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_aB+AZmh7J92N1of+UjZCiQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi microsounders, Can anyone help me: ¿how can i convert a recording in sony hi-md atrac3 format to WAV, within de Software SonyStage? ¿this is posible or hi-md is a bluf...? Please respond off-list Best, Mika. + + + + + + + + + + + + + [M!M] [CHILE] [www.mikamartini.scd.cl] --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. --Boundary_(ID_aB+AZmh7J92N1of+UjZCiQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 17:16:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35466-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26092 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:16:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 26078 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:16:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:16:36 +0200 From: 75Hertz <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] 75Hertz Lives & Mix To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Ovh-Remote: 217.128.112.224 (alyon-204-1-1-224.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|1.6|H 0.5 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 75Hertz Lives & Mix Vendredi 29 avril 2005, 20h30, 6 euros Confluences 190 bd Charonne 75020 PARIS M° Philippe Auguste Dans le cadre du festival Avril #3 (plus d'informations sur http://www.confluences.net/avril) LIVES Boca Raton (Korm Plastics, Spekk, Cronica Electronica) explore les différentes strates des sons synthétiques et concrets aux moyens d'outils électroniques. En utilisants des matériaux sonores issues de ces deux sphères, sa forme musicale montre l'intégration et la coexistence des sons naturels et leurs pendants artificiels. A l'opposé de la mélodie, l'harmonie et le rythme, ses travaux sont construits d'après de nouvelles bases musicales fondamentales : texture, volume et temporalité. Kapotable, l'opus de sa collaboration avec l'artiste américain Richard Chartier sortira prochainement sur le label Korm Plastics, lié au prestigieux label Staalplaat. ( http://www.kormplastics.nl - http://www.cronicaelectronica.org - http://www.spekk.net ) Emmanuelle Gibello & Sylvan Licois (Scenophonie) développent un travail de composition et de mixage à partir de sons enregistrés dans de multiples contextes, naturels et urbains. ( http://www.scenophonie.net ) MIX Fanny Adams & dB (75Hertz selectors) Aftershow mêlant electronica, breakbeat, musique industrielle, no-wave, hip-hop, rock et avant-garde. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 17:14:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35465-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24077 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:14:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 24066 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:14:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6okvhkV7WJMhlxscwN+aq/2HuHH60zw6wdsow5x6dhi1hIEijvBx6QLDQr4j8bIxS5q842W6sKt3wL+1MWwooZ3OcH76tHkgb1iDY688AfI8oB15HLCZBt1Dv1e/d/hW1UT+6zghV6Cup2sF+lRsZ8oyp5GmNwty5606r5B4DWo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx SoundHack!! A lot of people did that sort of thing when soundHack first came out. I think it just changes the file header information. --- under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm looking for something that will convert a > standard digital image file > (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone > know of any tools that can > be used for that? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 17:03:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35464-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17223 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:03:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 17213 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:03:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:02:59 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/mWYIDjzXCp5FvTUJZTkew)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_/mWYIDjzXCp5FvTUJZTkew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've used u&i's metasynth for years and it has an interesting twist on turning image into sound. its paradigm is a bit different than the other tools mentioned in previous emails, check out the website for yourself: http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/products.html bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." 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Mon Apr 25 16:48:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35463-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10824 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:48:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 10813 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:48:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_G88HPbJYYhvLkOIipq4SPw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QzzfnFs66yMxxkTtxgdLBMH/7bKx14ymgyIXlqSHyrB+Y425QSWKi88NxXD9eQ3R2XuhsDPVCE9PNhgfY8pnDkwJ6hesF2gzWO6hRinkki6Z+YzmBclg/JAnjS7ZMf9MMjwZuNotVfV/1hjcpReORIYXCo2AhqOza1VyB3wC6dI= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_G88HPbJYYhvLkOIipq4SPw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit two others are coagula and bitmap player. i'm not sure what the websites for them are, but they'll be easy to find if you search for them. both of these use .bmp files though, not jpg. erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: there've been a lot of really interesting discussions on the sonification of data on this list, you might want to google the archives and check it out. otherwise, on the mac my favorite two options are tom erb's soundhack (www.soundhack.com) and chris penrose's (maybe more poetic) hyperupic (http://silvertone.princeton.edu/winham/PPSK/hyper.html). best, erik On 4/25/05, Kevin Ponto wrote: > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > > k:p > > > On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:35 AM, under the radar wrote: > > > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image > > file (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any > > tools that can be used for that? > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- he can jog: www.hecanjog.com cedar a.v.: www.cedarav.com luv sound: www.luvsound.org please download me: pdm.hecanjog.com he can jog full length out now on fork series records: http://www.forkseries.com Switches comp out now on Audiobulb Records http://www.audiobulb.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Mon Apr 25 16:44:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35462-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8873 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 8863 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:46:16 -0500 From: Rob Danielson <xxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06110405be92c0614546@[172.16.1.34]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-689D165AB4BE11D9A132000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx At 3:38 PM +0200 4/24/05, derek holzer wrote: >Hi Tad, > >vze26m98 wrote: > >>One of the many things that differentiate Core Sound is their response >>matching of the microphone pair. > >In the end, I did a poor man's capsule matching by comparing the >resistance of each capsule. I bought a lot of 10, so I could make 3 >or 4 "closely" matched pairs and had a few leftover for experiments. >It's not as precise as actual frequency matching, but it's enough >for the situation I use them for, espc considering the preamps and >AD converters of my Sony minidisc and DAT walkman. I would still use >them for group projects such as workshops and sound-gathering walks, >as they will get thrashed in the end anyway, and in the future I >will probably invest in a substantial pair of DP 4060's, which I >could probably get frequency-matched by the sellers (at EUR 300-400 >I would hope so!). > >d. > >-- >derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl >---Oblique Strategy # 125: >"Only a part, not the whole" > Sorry to barge in from almost nowhere. I've just done some tests in conjuncton with the naturerecordist list that might be useful in this discission about affordable omni mics. Below is a link to a large, 36mb QuickTime movie comparison including WM-61a's and the Shure 183's. Since Dan Dugan pointed out the 183 omni's last Fall, I've wanted to compare them (at $200 a pair) to the 4060's. Spec-wise, the 183's are better but its often said the 4060's out-perform their self-noise rating. (Indeed, this might come from better impedance matching,.. which would be useful to explore further.) The 183's are made for use in Shure's wireless transmitters and you must buy the parts and do a simple mod: http://www.uwm.edu/~type/Mic%20Preamps/ShureWR-183WiringNoTA4M's.jpg Because of their high output, the 183's seem very well-suited for power in plug (PIP) devices like MD and Walkman DAT mic inputs. One can run the mic gain considerably lower. The only knock is they do overload with very loud sounds but their ability to portray space is the best I've encountered for PIP mics (that does not include experience with 4060s). Take a look/listen at the noise spectrum the 183's produces too, I find that much of it in small, very filterable, bands just above 8K. Another, lesser known PIP/Battery powered omni mic option is the KM-23 by Telinga. I'll be including it in a test in the near future. Sorry that the test is so large, dial-uppers. Rob D. At the directory, right click the only link that's there to save the test to your drive: http://www.uwm.edu/~type/Mic%20Preamps/Mic&PreTransparencyTests/media/ (QuickTime movie with graphics & 16 bit stereo, no EQ, digital HiMD transfer) or to load in your browser only: http://www.uwm.edu/~type/Mic%20Preamps/Mic&PreTransparencyTests/media/TransMic&PreTestsSor3_01.mov -- Rob Danielson Film Department University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 16:05:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35461-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91247 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:05:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 91237 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:05:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:05:04 -0500 From: erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NblYNft4AClRUafNN9VQQuogn8yEEXMqnOxBr7DBtHoYOFdV3mAcFZv+r1T0nTLuxGg/b29ab5H71VITSqkbZV2x4JtWL9pC+/eGTjF1YPVUK5HwgcdSxrCPMmxKID9EHiXq8mxgyWmM/kJNol3UiKOv/s0vlwDyFTtPs2Z1PRw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx there've been a lot of really interesting discussions on the sonification of data on this list, you might want to google the archives and check it out. otherwise, on the mac my favorite two options are tom erb's soundhack (www.soundhack.com) and chris penrose's (maybe more poetic) hyperupic (http://silvertone.princeton.edu/winham/PPSK/hyper.html). best, erik On 4/25/05, Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > > k:p > > > On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:35 AM, under the radar wrote: > > > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image > > file (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any > > tools that can be used for that? > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- he can jog: www.hecanjog.com cedar a.v.: www.cedarav.com luv sound: www.luvsound.org please download me: pdm.hecanjog.com he can jog full length out now on fork series records: http://www.forkseries.com Switches comp out now on Audiobulb Records http://www.audiobulb.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 15:48:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35460-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85029 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:48:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 85019 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:48:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:48:05 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ k:p On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:35 AM, under the radar wrote: > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image > file (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any > tools that can be used for that? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 15:39:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35459-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79501 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:39:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 79489 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:39:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:39:02 +0100 From: Edward George <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] image to sound conversion software In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Edward George <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C18KWYSN4tg7kBiriiqXi/RUnR3ubiU7ZonlMNf6+bscjkaq80A1l6IHuRb4MkVRxruBKPzvY6nxi0nIdN14YBXpnXa9P45vRLKI83Ni50XLxGuPAJwvEpz7jthwsHjLP0/UKEYezuy/ptXxIyUk5F0wYqfm6hvwLOTqQ4ss3lM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 4/25/05, under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file > (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that can > be used for that? You can save the image as a raw format file out of almost any image processing program eg Photoshop and then load the raw file as a raw audio file in any sound editing program eg soundforge I trust that is what you're after ed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 15:35:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35458-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77879 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:35:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 77868 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:35:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:35:18 -0700 From: under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] image to sound conversion software X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.209] X-Sender: xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2005 15:35:19.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[62CE3190:01C549AC] I'm looking for something that will convert a standard digital image file (.jpe, .gif, etc) into an audio file. Does anyone know of any tools that can be used for that? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 25 04:00:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35457-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33780 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:00:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 33765 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:00:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cz810NYAsPNp6hWfxHOVDOjLoSXe00rZizyH4+wEl7VhBZ4kPC7ffhA35fZvh0/yhiZjv8M9xb4GXZAK2p+rSkM1kLqfkjoCeQcFInUU6mbTiamsjzVLHlDFubIsp7G1OgDNkG9OxUmModLc0hpG/x9RfwyYJeWSDZUEMTj62BM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree. If you look through the digi-key catalog, just look for panasonic electret microphones. Look for a wide frequency response and good signal to noise. You can jack these directly into a MD recorder with a little soldering. They are pretty tiny, so you'll have to have a steady hand. There are a number of websites that show how to do it. With a simple bias circuit you can run it into a laptop too. It all depends on what your time is worth... Andrew --- Joakim Lindén <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> wrote: > If they use the Panasonic elements you could easily > assemble a very good > sounding pair for about $10-15 each yourself. I have > put together a field > recording stereo mic myself, very primitive though. > The only thing available > in sweden are Omni-type elements from Panasonic, > which is not the best > option for close sounds, but they have an amazing > sound quality for such a > low price. The MiniDisc player I own (Sharp > MD-MT190) has a mic input so I > can plug them in directly to that without any > amplification since MD's > always supply power through their mic inputs. > When recording I can easily get a good response up > to 20khz, the only > problem is the ATRAC encoder on my old MD - it > messes with the high > frequencies. > > www.digikey.com is supposed to have a few of these > elements left. There are > others coming that are supposed to replace the > Panasonic ones, since they > where recently discontinued. I found this: > http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=92255&Row=390913&Site=US > > Someone else probably knows more about where to get > other capsules in the > US. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doran Massey" <xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural > mic > > > > Has anyone tried Core-sound's binaural mics? If > so, how was the quality? > > http://www.core-sound.com/mics.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "vze26m98" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker > > > > > > Joakim Lindén wrote on 4/23/05: > > > >>Thanks for the heads up, I wonder what the > pricetag will say though... > >>Anyhoot, that is exactly what I've been looking > for for my electret > >>mic's - MD just doesn't make the high end spectrum > shine. > > > > <http://www.core-sound.com/pdaudio-cf.html> > > > > <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mon Apr 25 03:27:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35456-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23658 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:27:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 23644 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:27:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:27:30 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ann] X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.84 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=qzo7VB5XymOvdmBfQB+lBO3TK4LmdBh1/aWmwZSSKybp5U27QntDpFDZw2psx/0S; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609eff78be704ef42b2c0b2b392d17d3c4b2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, I was going to make an announcement ; tried a quick google search and found the results more interesting: http://www.google.com/search? hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=microsound+announcements&spell=1 Bill direct strategy #2086: what did the earthworm say after it was chopped in half? "this isn't something i'm really into." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 24 13:26:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35455-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69355 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:26:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 69343 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:26:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:38:44 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic In-reply-to: <r02010500-1038-689D165AB4BE11D9A132000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-689D165AB4BE11D9A132000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Tad, vze26m98 wrote: > One of the many things that differentiate Core Sound is their response > matching of the microphone pair. In the end, I did a poor man's capsule matching by comparing the resistance of each capsule. I bought a lot of 10, so I could make 3 or 4 "closely" matched pairs and had a few leftover for experiments. It's not as precise as actual frequency matching, but it's enough for the situation I use them for, espc considering the preamps and AD converters of my Sony minidisc and DAT walkman. I would still use them for group projects such as workshops and sound-gathering walks, as they will get thrashed in the end anyway, and in the future I will probably invest in a substantial pair of DP 4060's, which I could probably get frequency-matched by the sellers (at EUR 300-400 I would hope so!). d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 125: "Only a part, not the whole" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 24 12:43:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35454-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61355 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:43:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 61345 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:43:09 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:43:06 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-689D165AB4BE11D9A132000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx derek holzer wrote on 4/24/05: >I have also been using Panasonic mic capsules from Digikey. I think the >intended purpose of them is for mobile phones. I can't say that the >sound quality is on a par with the Core Sound capsules (the high-end >ones use a DPA 4060/4061 capsule which you can buy for about EUR 300 One of the many things that differentiate Core Sound is their response matching of the microphone pair. I have a set of the Panasonic binaurals which certainly perform better than my minidisc recorder. Don't think you can get Digikey to do that for you. <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 24 10:43:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35453-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33734 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:43:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 33697 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:43:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:55:34 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic In-reply-to: <000f01c548af$4f2e53c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-FDE754C9B46F11D98FB5000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <000f01c548af$4f2e53c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Howdy, Joakim Lindén wrote: > If they use the Panasonic elements you could easily assemble a very good > sounding pair for about $10-15 each yourself. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doran Massey" >> Has anyone tried Core-sound's binaural mics? If so, how was the quality? >> http://www.core-sound.com/mics.html I have also been using Panasonic mic capsules from Digikey. I think the intended purpose of them is for mobile phones. I can't say that the sound quality is on a par with the Core Sound capsules (the high-end ones use a DPA 4060/4061 capsule which you can buy for about EUR 300 per capsule), but it's OK. I think the preamp of a minidisc recorder will add a substantial amount of noise to any cheap capsule you put into it, and I was told by Core-Sound that "plug-in power" is quite a bit noisier than Phantom Power (which is what the Core Sound mics use, but which eats batteries quickly in the field!). I use my home-brew setup for ear-mount binaural recording, but I have never been able to record as quiet as I want with them. Veteren field-recordist David Dunn (who uses tons of homemade contact mikes and ultrasound transducers) insists that 90% of noise problems come from impedence mismatching, so there is something to be said for carefully selecting and assembling your equipment, no matter how expensive or inexpensive the components. best, derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 14: "Ask people to work against their better judgement" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 24 09:23:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35452-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 05:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 05:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13713 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:23:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 13703 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:23:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:23:43 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Joakim_Lind=C3=A9n?= <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000f01c548af$4f2e53c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-FDE754C9B46F11D98FB5000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If they use the Panasonic elements you could easily assemble a very good sounding pair for about $10-15 each yourself. I have put together a field recording stereo mic myself, very primitive though. The only thing available in sweden are Omni-type elements from Panasonic, which is not the best option for close sounds, but they have an amazing sound quality for such a low price. The MiniDisc player I own (Sharp MD-MT190) has a mic input so I can plug them in directly to that without any amplification since MD's always supply power through their mic inputs. When recording I can easily get a good response up to 20khz, the only problem is the ATRAC encoder on my old MD - it messes with the high frequencies. www.digikey.com is supposed to have a few of these elements left. There are others coming that are supposed to replace the Panasonic ones, since they where recently discontinued. I found this: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=92255&Row=390913&Site=US Someone else probably knows more about where to get other capsules in the US. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doran Massey" <xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic > Has anyone tried Core-sound's binaural mics? If so, how was the quality? > http://www.core-sound.com/mics.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vze26m98" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker > > > Joakim Lindén wrote on 4/23/05: > >>Thanks for the heads up, I wonder what the pricetag will say though... >>Anyhoot, that is exactly what I've been looking for for my electret >>mic's - MD just doesn't make the high end spectrum shine. > > <http://www.core-sound.com/pdaudio-cf.html> > > <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 24 06:29:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35451-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60912 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:29:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 60902 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:29:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:29:08 -0400 From: Doran Massey <xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker - binaural mic X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.200] X-Sender: xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-FDE754C9B46F11D98FB5000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2005 06:29:10.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECD08530:01C54896] Has anyone tried Core-sound's binaural mics? If so, how was the quality? http://www.core-sound.com/mics.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "vze26m98" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker Joakim Lindén wrote on 4/23/05: >Thanks for the heads up, I wonder what the pricetag will say though... >Anyhoot, that is exactly what I've been looking for for my electret >mic's - MD just doesn't make the high end spectrum shine. <http://www.core-sound.com/pdaudio-cf.html> <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 24 03:21:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35450-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89339 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 03:21:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 89329 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Apr 2005 03:21:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:21:47 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker In-reply-to: <000a01c547db$2de1f480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-FDE754C9B46F11D98FB5000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Joakim Lindén wrote on 4/23/05: >Thanks for the heads up, I wonder what the pricetag will say though... >Anyhoot, that is exactly what I've been looking for for my electret >mic's - MD just doesn't make the high end spectrum shine. <http://www.core-sound.com/pdaudio-cf.html> <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Sat Apr 23 11:27:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35448-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95246 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:27:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 95236 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:27:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tgba9Hya2K/137UVbzg5Yw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_tgba9Hya2K/137UVbzg5Yw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 23/04/2005 04:56:16 GMT Daylight Time, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx writes: > i second franks comment on STAALPLAT > > http://www.staalplaat.com > > good stuff from amsterdam > staalplaat moved to berlin a while ago. 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Sat Apr 23 08:05:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35447-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40502 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:05:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 40492 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:05:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:05:14 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joakim_Lind=E9n?= <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000a01c547db$2de1f480$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks for the heads up, I wonder what the pricetag will say though... Anyhoot, that is exactly what I've been looking for for my electret mic's - MD just doesn't make the high end spectrum shine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: [microsound] flash tracker > http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2137 > > good for location recording > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 23 06:28:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35446-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7023 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:28:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 7013 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:28:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:28:07 -0400 From: Jim Lee <xxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] flash tracker In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx .. . . if it ever materializes. Beware of the vapors. :) Jim Lee Kim Cascone wrote: > http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2137 > > good for location recording > -- Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio http://www.bambooturtle.com Home of the Rock Nest Monster http://www.bambooturtle.us/Rock_Nest_Monster.html Forensic Audio, Group Facilitation, Sound Art, Sculpture, Photography, and Design. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 23 05:51:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35445-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93787 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:51:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 93777 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:51:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:51:06 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] flash tracker To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2137 good for location recording --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 23 04:03:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35444-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52699 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:03:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 52688 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:03:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:01:45 -0400 From: Yatra Arts <xxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00b901c547b9$2a7acd20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BwZSS70gBR+KQD1xRHbWbA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_BwZSS70gBR+KQD1xRHbWbA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit relocated to Berlin..........no longer on Staalkade ----- Original Message ----- From: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) i second franks comment on STAALPLAT http://www.staalplaat.com good stuff from amsterdam --- On Fri 04/22, Frank D'Urso < xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > wrote: From: Frank D'Urso [mailto: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:28:49 -0400 Subject: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) Ya,<br><br>I recomend Steele Platte (spelled right?) it is a noise lable and a <br>record store over there. Their website (you gotta look it up ok?) will <br>list events.<br><br>Frank "love the people" D'Urso<br><br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------<br>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>website: http://www.microsound.org<br><br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_BwZSS70gBR+KQD1xRHbWbA)-- From ???@??? Sat Apr 23 03:56:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35443-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49407 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:56:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 49396 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:56:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 5cfeeda19de1a14c5aed2593dda5d7d8 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i second franks comment on STAALPLAT http://www.staalplaat.com good stuff from amsterdam --- On Fri 04/22, Frank D'Urso < xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > wrote: From: Frank D'Urso [mailto: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:28:49 -0400 Subject: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) Ya,<br><br>I recomend Steele Platte (spelled right?) it is a noise lable and a <br>record store over there. Their website (you gotta look it up ok?) will <br>list events.<br><br>Frank "love the people" D'Urso<br><br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------<br>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br>website: http://www.microsound.org<br><br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 23 03:29:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35442-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36899 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:29:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 36887 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:29:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:28:49 -0400 From: Frank D'Urso <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: AMSTERDAM's sound?:) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ya, I recomend Steele Platte (spelled right?) it is a noise lable and a record store over there. Their website (you gotta look it up ok?) will list events. Frank "love the people" D'Urso --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 22 15:09:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35441-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72067 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:09:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 72057 invoked from network); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:09:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:08:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Heckel?= <xxxxx@xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] AMSTERDAM's sound?:) In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xSPyEJNFzLxpdj4a2pO3VA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_xSPyEJNFzLxpdj4a2pO3VA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, here's another one : April 29th 2005, 21:30 Pretty good Privacy Sébastien Roux & SOGAR / Jürgen Heckel Concert for the opening of Invisible Script at W139! Museum Stedelijk, Amsterdam 60 minutes Best Jürgen > > > Dear List! > > > Is here anybody from Amsterdam? I'm going to spend some time there. > If you could recommend me any exhibitions/installations/musical > events/places with electronic music that would be nice! > Please write me in private if you don't want to bother the list > with this kind of messages. > > > Best regards, > B. Gerofi > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --Boundary_(ID_xSPyEJNFzLxpdj4a2pO3VA)-- From ???@??? Fri Apr 22 11:14:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35440-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54890 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 54879 invoked from network); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:15:02 +0100 From: Chris O'Shea <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] opensource pd patch submission To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2005 11:14:57.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[844FC2C0:01C5472C] Hi I was wondering if anyone had any PD patches that they would like provide for a project I am doing. Although this is very vague, take a look here: http://www.offf.ws/prog_openroom.php?tipo=oshea A website will be up for the project very soon which will explain more. Basically I am looking for patches that: - demonstrate a form of sound synthesis, ideally. - can be used as an instrument by altering values in the patch. - open source, free to give away on the project website, with full credit given to the author (name, url, bio) I don't need anyone to make a patch as I can do this myself, I am looking for existing patches that other artists have made, to demonstrate how artists can contribute to the project. You won't need to do anything, just sent me what you have and I'll modify it. If you have a PD instrument patch that you'd be willing to give away, I'd be really grateful if you could email it to me (off the list). Once i have the patch working on this project it will be videoed and online. If you would like any more info, please let me know. Cheers -- Chris O'Shea +44(0)7974 968371 me-at-chrisoshea.org website: www.chrisoshea.org blog: www.pixelsumo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 21 16:11:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35439-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7969 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:11:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 7957 invoked from network); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:11:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:11:20 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] call for interested labels To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am shopping a collaborative CD project that I recently completed with Lasse Marhaug rather than sending out individual emails to the usual suspects I thought I'd hit a few lists first the CD is not untitled yet, is 45 minutes of computer generated micro-ambient noise structured soundscapes...or something like that... if you are interested I can send you a CDR of the material for listening *after* I return to the US on May 16th interested parties contact me off-list at: xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Here's something. Mondaynight april 25th OT301, Overtoom 301 Kraakgeluiden in binnenstad. STEIM concert Theater Frascati 2 May 2005 at 20.30 Laetitia Sonami Michel Waisvisz F.X.Randomiz & Joseph Suchy Best regards, Remco Op 21-apr-05 om 16:05 heeft Balazs, Gerofi het volgende geschreven: > > > Dear List! > > > Is here anybody from Amsterdam? I'm going to spend some time there. > If you could recommend me any exhibitions/installations/musical > events/places with electronic music that would be nice! > Please write me in private if you don't want to bother the list > with this kind of messages. > > > Best regards, > B. 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Thu Apr 21 14:05:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35437-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42684 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:05:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 42674 invoked from network); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:05:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:05:03 +0200 (CEST) From: "Balazs, Gerofi" <xxxxx@xxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] AMSTERDAM's sound?:) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner 4.31.6-itk1 (ELTE 1.2) SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.73 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-4.9, required 5.9, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear List! Is here anybody from Amsterdam? I'm going to spend some time there. If you could recommend me any exhibitions/installations/musical events/places with electronic music that would be nice! Please write me in private if you don't want to bother the list with this kind of messages. Best regards, B. Gerofi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 21 01:38:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35436-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14703 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:37:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 14693 invoked from network); Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:37:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:37:54 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] texts on twiki To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jsh1+d4Zd3SDJg8YKdcq9uYny7kvX0zo8QzZVUERLoR0ewsOEbeGUakw30mkWUarcnuv+RjhLUkJ6+FBA1qRW3AI5dbn0wl9+AfhdoYGHbiFvvhPthepbJPACxyQwubWkErTYizq2KNy0dUoFiVWjy/6w4Q9coatZNHw6vipU/Q= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi i took the texts that kim put on the hot line server and put them on the twiki: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/MicrosoundTexts enjoy! -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 20 16:43:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35435-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55277 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:43:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 55267 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:43:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:43 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] New Twiki for discussion of technical tools of the trade To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: New Twiki for discussion of technical tools of the trade Thread-index: AcVFtmomTJmCAFouS727XW0UFVsIHAAAJfKgAAOhi2A= Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2005 16:42:43.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[F99BC170:01C545C7] I've added a Twiki page: http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/TechProfiles Strut on! - R -----Original Message----- From: andrew benson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] Sent: 20 April 2005 15:37 To: microsound Subject: RE: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound I'd be reluctant to open that sort of thing up on this list, as it could spark a whole mess of OT rants about gear and software. I know people tend to feel strongly about their software and hardware tools. If you are curious, I would suggest searching the list archives for all the messages regarding Max/Msp, linux, Pd, ableton Live, ACID, etc. I for one would rather avoid the flame war that is liable to occur when we start showing our gear. This list, as I understand it, is about discussion of aesthetics and theory of microsound. my 2cent. Andrew --- COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > has there ever been a poll here for seeing what > systems/applications/hardware everyone on > .microsound is using for audio > work?? i'd love to know what range of experience is > on the list. it > could be really useful if anyone is considering a > migration to new > tools/platforms... > > - R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nathan dickerson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] > > Sent: 18 April 2005 17:57 > To: microsound > Subject: Re: [microsound] linux csound > > I'm still using csound 4 for linux.. jack is a > killer feature of csound > 5, but > check out > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs-wrappers > > which are jack wrappers for csound 4.. been using > this to process > csound (audio(jack rack) and midi(rosegarden)) > > nathand > > On 4/18/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > http://patternmedia.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Apr 20 14:44:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35434-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4844 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:44:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 4780 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:44:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:44:05 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound Thread-index: AcVFtmomTJmCAFouS727XW0UFVsIHAAAJfKg Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2005 14:44:07.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[67FBE3E0:01C545B7] Okay : ) Points well taken!! I will create a Twiki page as soon as I can remember my password, and will invite people to list their preferred environments over there. Cheers! - R -----Original Message----- From: andrew benson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] Sent: 20 April 2005 15:37 To: microsound Subject: RE: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound I'd be reluctant to open that sort of thing up on this list, as it could spark a whole mess of OT rants about gear and software. I know people tend to feel strongly about their software and hardware tools. If you are curious, I would suggest searching the list archives for all the messages regarding Max/Msp, linux, Pd, ableton Live, ACID, etc. I for one would rather avoid the flame war that is liable to occur when we start showing our gear. This list, as I understand it, is about discussion of aesthetics and theory of microsound. my 2cent. Andrew --- COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > has there ever been a poll here for seeing what > systems/applications/hardware everyone on > .microsound is using for audio > work?? i'd love to know what range of experience is > on the list. it > could be really useful if anyone is considering a > migration to new > tools/platforms... > > - R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nathan dickerson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] > > Sent: 18 April 2005 17:57 > To: microsound > Subject: Re: [microsound] linux csound > > I'm still using csound 4 for linux.. jack is a > killer feature of csound > 5, but > check out > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs-wrappers > > which are jack wrappers for csound 4.. been using > this to process > csound (audio(jack rack) and midi(rosegarden)) > > nathand > > On 4/18/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > http://patternmedia.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Apr 20 14:36:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35433-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99207 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:36:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 99195 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:36:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=abiJZkVX2VzayueNAbe15O8EBhvCUSvy7ux0lQLMX9rUdRQeb7hhRdm6cv6OkLdYevBvk8q1s/+Qz3RRFB4pQV8eGRzetNOc4C8WLPDvd4R0SR1InVOTfOBagZYhFNTcJRsQsv1eJtUijPibATQAtaqOPzTFJq0qdow/CWfTaDo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'd be reluctant to open that sort of thing up on this list, as it could spark a whole mess of OT rants about gear and software. I know people tend to feel strongly about their software and hardware tools. If you are curious, I would suggest searching the list archives for all the messages regarding Max/Msp, linux, Pd, ableton Live, ACID, etc. I for one would rather avoid the flame war that is liable to occur when we start showing our gear. This list, as I understand it, is about discussion of aesthetics and theory of microsound. my 2cent. Andrew --- COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > has there ever been a poll here for seeing what > systems/applications/hardware everyone on > .microsound is using for audio > work?? i'd love to know what range of experience is > on the list. it > could be really useful if anyone is considering a > migration to new > tools/platforms... > > - R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nathan dickerson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] > > Sent: 18 April 2005 17:57 > To: microsound > Subject: Re: [microsound] linux csound > > I'm still using csound 4 for linux.. jack is a > killer feature of csound > 5, but > check out > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs-wrappers > > which are jack wrappers for csound 4.. been using > this to process > csound (audio(jack rack) and midi(rosegarden)) > > nathand > > On 4/18/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > http://patternmedia.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Apr 20 13:56:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35432-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85085 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:56:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 85067 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:56:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:08:41 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This sounds like an excellent topic for the TWIKI page! I don't think it would be so good to do it on-list, however... lot's of traffic that is officially considered OT by many ;-) Think you want to set it up? http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/WebHome derek COSTELLOE Richard wrote: > has there ever been a poll here for seeing what > systems/applications/hardware everyone on .microsound is using for audio > work?? i'd love to know what range of experience is on the list. it > could be really useful if anyone is considering a migration to new > tools/platforms... > > - R > -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 112: "Magnify the most difficult details" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 20 12:05:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35431-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54729 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:05:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 54718 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:05:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:05:11 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] (ot?) linux csound Thread-index: AcVEN7iHZMOPXDLOTJii6OhCUqP5BABaMr7g Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2005 12:05:12.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[345D2D20:01C545A1] has there ever been a poll here for seeing what systems/applications/hardware everyone on .microsound is using for audio work?? i'd love to know what range of experience is on the list. it could be really useful if anyone is considering a migration to new tools/platforms... - R -----Original Message----- From: nathan dickerson [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] Sent: 18 April 2005 17:57 To: microsound Subject: Re: [microsound] linux csound I'm still using csound 4 for linux.. jack is a killer feature of csound 5, but check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs-wrappers which are jack wrappers for csound 4.. been using this to process csound (audio(jack rack) and midi(rosegarden)) nathand On 4/18/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://patternmedia.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 19 20:44:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35430-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35324 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:44:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 35311 invoked from network); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:44:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:44:38 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] oulipony To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I said that the writers were > talented enough and able enough to express their creativity whether > oulipo > existed or not. possibly, it depends on whether or not they would have been motivated to write without the prior existence of Oulipo and hence my pointing out all nonlinear systems rely on SDIC... since most of the Oulipo writers were heavily involved in mathematics it is likely more probable that mathematics drove their desire to write... Calvino being an exception here since his writing tended to veer away from constraint based systems later in his career --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 19 18:00:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35429-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44695 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:00:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 44682 invoked from network); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:00:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:00:36 -0700 From: Wojciech <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] at last: the minimal techno soap opera In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You're gonna love this sweetie !!!!!! Mwaahhh!!!!! :o) On Apr 18, 2005, at 10:00 AM, graham miller wrote: > http://www.ubercoolische.com/ > > you too can follow the adventures of richie, magda and ricardo in > ubercool trendy berlin, epicentre of ableton electronic music, final > scratchery, and home to the stars of spacebar music. > > humour? music? techno? impossible but true. > > excelsior > > g. > > an except: > > Ricardo: Hey Richie, its so fucking great being us! You know while the > lumpen proletariat who thinks there are only 3 dimensions (yes! Only > 3!) > go to do their “jobs” we can be here playing minimalness in this > Ubercoolische bunker right here in the centre of Ubercoolische > Berlin!!! > > Richie: Yeah Ricardo I hear you bro! Lets drop another Helmut > Bumpuscher! Wow! Look at that crowd out there. It is littered with > outsider-artists and assorted freaks looped into the electronic > borderlands that form the dystopia that is today’s Berlin! > > Magda: That’s what I was just about to say Richie! > > Ricardo: Do you see what Im wearing guys? > > Richie: A pair of eye glasses? > > Ricardo: Nein dumkopf! I am wearing goggles that enable me to view > through the prism of a dialectical society that’s reinventing logic > from > experience rather than predetermined systems of belief!! Can’t you see? > > Magda: Cool! They make you twinkle with innocence and romance Ricardo! > > Ricardo: “innocence and romance” is my middle name Magda! > > Magda: I thought your middle name was “Corazon de mi alcachofa”. > > Ricardo: that was my middle name yesterday Magda ? shouldn’t you be > making yourself useful and pouring the drinks or something?......... > > http://www.ubercoolische.com/ow.asp?RichieRicardoMagdaPartFive > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 19 15:43:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35428-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76575 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:43:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 76557 invoked from network); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:43:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:43:25 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] at last: the minimal techno soap opera In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YQluQx46M8vOoFcSGFedGWzePgZvg1t0gjlDIhVTbls/lkpOLX4eHxIlW4s9FiOH3YQJ+E8SDcvFCwJuEqXWA3Dk6/WflVSldT5+tznwXopeejTzm5/stMTd7iwn1wPGGLHO37Wj0o9a3smR7+cVmgzmGTp5hltsdrDEHSrc0x0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Heh. Richie Hawtin. Is he still alive? On 4/18/05, graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > there should definitely be a microsound version of this. who would the > main characters be? potential plotlines? t-shirt possibilities? sexist > mugs? > > David Powers wrote: > > > This is quite amusing actually, I saw this last Friday. My personal > > favorite "episode"--- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 18:11:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35427-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1737 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:11:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 1726 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:11:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:11:11 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] at last: the minimal techno soap opera To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx there should definitely be a microsound version of this. who would the main characters be? potential plotlines? t-shirt possibilities? sexist mugs? David Powers wrote: > This is quite amusing actually, I saw this last Friday. My personal > favorite "episode"--- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 17:22:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35426-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80780 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:22:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 80765 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:22:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:24:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] at last: the minimal techno soap opera To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is quite amusing actually, I saw this last Friday. My personal favorite "episode"--- Magda: Hey Richie, do you know that: "Because things are the way they are, they will not stay the way they are" Richie: How do you mean Magda? Magda: Well, Berthold Brecht said that. Does he mean that if things arent the way they were then they might be something else? Richie: No Magda, I think he means we should use these laptops and ipods to make minimal sounds. Ricardo: Hey Magda, Richie, whats going on? Magda: Hey Ricardo, we're just talking about Berthold Brecht. Do you know that he said: "Because things are the way they are, they will not stay the way they are"?? Ricardo: wow! what a minimal coincidence! I just bought you both a t-shirt with "Because things are the way they are, they will not stay the way they are" written all over it!!! Richie: well what do you know! son of a gun - how fucking cool is it to be in Berlin? Magda: pretty fucking cool Richie, pretty fucking cool! David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx 04/18/05 12:00PM >>> http://www.ubercoolische.com/ you too can follow the adventures of richie, magda and ricardo in ubercool trendy berlin, epicentre of ableton electronic music, final scratchery, and home to the stars of spacebar music. humour? music? techno? impossible but true. excelsior g. an except: Ricardo: Hey Richie, its so fucking great being us! You know while the lumpen proletariat who thinks there are only 3 dimensions (yes! Only 3!) go to do their "jobs" we can be here playing minimalness in this Ubercoolische bunker right here in the centre of Ubercoolische Berlin!!! Richie: Yeah Ricardo I hear you bro! Lets drop another Helmut Bumpuscher! Wow! Look at that crowd out there. It is littered with outsider-artists and assorted freaks looped into the electronic borderlands that form the dystopia that is today's Berlin! Magda: That's what I was just about to say Richie! Ricardo: Do you see what Im wearing guys? Richie: A pair of eye glasses? Ricardo: Nein dumkopf! I am wearing goggles that enable me to view through the prism of a dialectical society that's reinventing logic from experience rather than predetermined systems of belief!! Can't you see? Magda: Cool! They make you twinkle with innocence and romance Ricardo! Ricardo: "innocence and romance" is my middle name Magda! Magda: I thought your middle name was "Corazon de mi alcachofa". Ricardo: that was my middle name yesterday Magda ? shouldn't you be making yourself useful and pouring the drinks or something?......... http://www.ubercoolische.com/ow.asp?RichieRicardoMagdaPartFive --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 17:01:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35425-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69199 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:01:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 69189 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:01:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:00:31 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] at last: the minimal techno soap opera To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.ubercoolische.com/ you too can follow the adventures of richie, magda and ricardo in ubercool trendy berlin, epicentre of ableton electronic music, final scratchery, and home to the stars of spacebar music. humour? music? techno? impossible but true. excelsior g. an except: Ricardo: Hey Richie, its so fucking great being us! You know while the lumpen proletariat who thinks there are only 3 dimensions (yes! Only 3!) go to do their “jobs” we can be here playing minimalness in this Ubercoolische bunker right here in the centre of Ubercoolische Berlin!!! Richie: Yeah Ricardo I hear you bro! Lets drop another Helmut Bumpuscher! Wow! Look at that crowd out there. It is littered with outsider-artists and assorted freaks looped into the electronic borderlands that form the dystopia that is today’s Berlin! Magda: That’s what I was just about to say Richie! Ricardo: Do you see what Im wearing guys? Richie: A pair of eye glasses? Ricardo: Nein dumkopf! I am wearing goggles that enable me to view through the prism of a dialectical society that’s reinventing logic from experience rather than predetermined systems of belief!! Can’t you see? Magda: Cool! They make you twinkle with innocence and romance Ricardo! Ricardo: “innocence and romance” is my middle name Magda! Magda: I thought your middle name was “Corazon de mi alcachofa”. Ricardo: that was my middle name yesterday Magda ? shouldn’t you be making yourself useful and pouring the drinks or something?......... http://www.ubercoolische.com/ow.asp?RichieRicardoMagdaPartFive --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 16:57:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35424-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66697 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:57:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 66683 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:57:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:57:15 -0700 From: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] linux csound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V5CzkanqZHKsrRRRKHmvtSEUM7ikgNC0zJ+rOUs+QkrkT/9/IXMrO9zc+VV5u20LgE4j+n9DSeoW3opXZvVm4qhrPR6/wsfOSF32J4uzldYcltCsRp+bBl72WEjj5m+tuNaj4MJ3emj66YzdjA2I3MrOkAXqTbZpEMILz9oNoPw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm still using csound 4 for linux.. jack is a killer feature of csound 5, but check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs-wrappers which are jack wrappers for csound 4.. been using this to process csound (audio(jack rack) and midi(rosegarden)) nathand On 4/18/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://patternmedia.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 14:20:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35423-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4125 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:19:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 4115 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:19:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:19:23 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] linux csound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2005 14:20:33.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[C868FB60:01C54421] Would you be so kind as to [ot] these kinds of posts? There's plenty of places to read about linux/open source-related stuff, which I already read. They don't seem to be relevant on this list. On 18 Apr 2005, at 14:57, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 13:57:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35422-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97864 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:57:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 97854 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:57:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:57:11 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] linux csound To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 07:44:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35421-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37041 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:44:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 37031 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:44:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] oulipo pony To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 143 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In a message dated 15/4/05 8:38:58 pm, xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx writes: >> I think all of these talents are more >> than just a one trick pony. > >I would say that Oulipo produced many if not all of the work of Perec >and Queneau and that you can hardly qualify Oulipo as a one trick >pony...Oulipo is actually many systems (of constraints) and has >produced some amazing works -- example: Perec's "Life - A Users Manual" I agree with the amazing works, as you state, but I think you misread my post. I didn't say that Oulipo was a one trick pony, I said that the writers were talented enough and able enough to express their creativity whether oulipo existed or not. regards rob ::_______________________________________:: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 03:00:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35420-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60880 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:00:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 60870 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:00:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:00:42 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] algorithmic compositional device In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-0D74BF86AFB611D99E3B000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx scott allison wrote on 4/17/05: >this may be of some interest, I dug this up based on a posting for >another similar instrument that someone had posted on another list. >Bet one of these would be rather difficult to come across these days. > >http://www.bigbluewave.co.uk/synths_triadex.htm Hey Scott- Thanks. A little hard to tell from the description in Chamberlin book whether you could build one. Maybe Minsky still has the schematics? Best, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 18 02:09:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35419-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44928 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:09:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 44918 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:09:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:09:15 +0000 From: ian stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] 1/89, fibonacci, and other numbers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2005 02:09:15.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F2AE120:01C543BB] If you're into the numbers game, and haven't seen it, this page: home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/math/numbers-6.html and the other couple of dozen linked pages are worth a look- the properties of hundreds of different numbers from the minuscule to the gargantuan, from the cult significance of 666 to quantum physics constants to conjectured Catalan primes with nearly a googol digits. The 1/89 Fibonacci relation is in there, and a lot else besides. best, Ian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 17 22:16:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35418-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70009 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:16:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 69999 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:16:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:15:57 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] algorithmic compositional device In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.208] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2005 22:15:57.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[079515D0:01C5439B] this may be of some interest, I dug this up based on a posting for another similar instrument that someone had posted on another list. Bet one of these would be rather difficult to come across these days. http://www.bigbluewave.co.uk/synths_triadex.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 17 18:52:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35417-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14701 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:52:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 14691 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:52:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:52:42 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] dial D for dialetics To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > This idea of dialectics has been pretty thoroughly disputed. yeah but it seems that both dialectics and structuralism (as philosophical constructs) are making a comeback...I see this as a welcome change to the one-joke pony of PoMo... > For > Hegelian and Marxist dialectics, this is true, insofar as dialectical > progress through history is inevitable. For later philosophers, > however, this is not necessarily so. the statement was directed at the Fuller paraphrase: >> critique pales next to creating >> superior >> alternatives. I was trying to point out that 'critique without creating an alternative' (forget the qualifier of 'superior') is intellectually interesting yet toothless...and that often times when a alternative comes about one can view it thru a thesis+antithesis=synthesis frame...in other words a critique can be seen as the negation of some state and an alternative can be seen as the synthesis... > As I understand it, Horkheimer and Adorno's "Dialectic of > Enlightenment" was precisely the idea that rational progress can > dialectically turn into its opposite, irrationality. yes...but then you have to examine the underlying structure/meaning/engine of 'rational progress' - i.e., capitalism - because the roots of 'irrationality' are always there...irrationality, turbulence, disruption, or noise are always present to some degree in any system and 'rational progress' does not imply (to me) that they are not present... > Or, using evolutionary biology as a model, one could argue that there > is no such thing as "progress," within evolutionary changes, since > increasing fitness is only relative to the conditions being adapted to 'increasing fitness to hostile conditions' could very well be a definition of 'progress'...could it not? > and does not have any ultimate value; it has value to the species or thing that is adapting: self-preservation...it also has value to the parasitic organisms that benefit from the species continued existence... > Finally, models from the study of nonlinear and chaotic systems might > look at change in an entirely different way, based on phase diagrams > and > attractors. it isn't 'change' that is viewed differently in chaotic systems (since we can mathematically describe this) so much as 'long term predictable change' or 'recognizable patterns', some/most change is perceived by humans as pattern-based; 'any difference that makes a difference' (Bateson)...change that is not perceivable to humans is seen as random, but not chaotic... > I would imagine that the memes in circulation, including > both critique and superior alternatives, *would structure* wouldn't it be possible to replace the concept 'would structure' (i.e., potential creation) with 'synthesize'? > the > possibilities available to a society at any given time in order to go a > significant mutation in form. yes, if you want a glaring example look at the shift from a Clinton to Bush US...Bush could be seen as the antithesis to Clinton and the neo-con cabal we now have is a structure that came about thru a 'significant mutation' (synthesis?) -- but not thru the will of our society necessarily but that is a separate argument w/r/t power structures in a society organized by corporate capitalism... 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Sun Apr 17 17:25:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35416-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90844 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:25:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 90832 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:25:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:25:08 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] fibonacci 1/89 To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~rminer/1over89/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 17 04:53:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35415-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32650 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 04:53:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 32640 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 04:53:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:53:33 -0500 From: grain of sound <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Sonic Scope Quarterly :: pdf magazine_issue #3 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: <IMail v8.05> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sonic Scope Quarterly for contemporary visual art [ .pdf magazine ] issue #3 :: Spring contains photography, drawings and design work from: . 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Sat Apr 16 22:16:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35413-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26421 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:16:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 26408 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:16:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:15:19 -0400 From: PGHsound <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] call for submissions X-Originating-IP: 140.254.23.11 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_et4ObLyW94Jy0cMNTkolpw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=Jiv7b/v4Usp5Qkl8mPafDHZiESXCi5NUpKl8CeJyNw/fkvUaqxoL9PtxhFPn/Psv; X-ELNK-Trace: 588d7020dc6fcbbf1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b921d42a5c609292dfc3bee921907134350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_et4ObLyW94Jy0cMNTkolpw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call for submissions (please forward): SOUNDSCAPEpgh is a collaborative project of sound installation and performance within the downtown Cultural District of Pittsburgh, PA from June 3-19, 2005. This project will place soundworks within the exterior spaces of this area with a goal of engaging an audience in new ways, bringing the experience of the soundscape to a focal point in this downtown business district. We are designing a series of playback systems that will be installed throughout this area and are seeking submissions of audio recordings for this purpose. Three primary categories can be considered to suit our specific playback systems: 1) two-channel recordings meant for intimate, quiet experience. 2) two-channel recordings intended for louder volume. 3) 5-channel recordings designed for linear separation of speakers along a passageway (DVD). As well, we are very interested in proposals and ideas that do not fall within these specific parameters and strongly encourage submissions that might stretch these formats. We will be programming a performance schedule to be integrated into this two-week period of exhibition and encourage proposals for performance that investigate, address or explore sound and its relation to the city. Please email with inquiries and submissions: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx SOUNDSCAPEpgh PO Box 99341 Pittsburgh, PA 15233 --Boundary_(ID_et4ObLyW94Jy0cMNTkolpw)-- From ???@??? Sat Apr 16 22:03:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35412-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22890 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:03:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 22856 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:03:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:02:52 -0500 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] obtuse or acute? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gxfNhpCxRiuy7zIwfnjbDNrMM/si2hNvt7xW0Azm6sIwgxLwMRbkngMpyzb4uyQRaZc3T+m1q+t4D1R5netKPmiVoDzRjVPO5Fn56Oh0/H72EGqtt3N7h3ubY/pVop8VBK1D4CsKQnXsQXBQINCIQOW87/SXk4KcL1ZT/qirF5E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx they probably just mean "difficult"...maybe i'm just stating the obvious and you guys are trying to qualify the "difficultness" of the sounds in one manner rather than another. is there a certain kind of "difficult" that you prefer over others? (silly question?) do you prefer "small" over "difficult" ? (joke?) -jake On 4/15/05, Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> Anyone else think "obtuse sounds" is among the worst possible phrases > >> to employ when discussing microsound. > > I see them as being acute...no? > > Quite. A word that can mean dull, blunt, wide and/or lacking > intelligence seems almost a comically bad choice in this context. > > k:p > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 16 08:32:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35411-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32174 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:32:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 32161 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:32:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:32:19 -0700 From: Chandrasekhar Ramakrishnan <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re: generative academia? In-reply-to: <"Message from microsound-digest-help"@hyperreal.org> "of 15 Apr 2005 17:55:07 -0000." <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx graham miller wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html I take it that the paper by David Mazieres and Eddie Kohler submitted to the same conference didn't get accepted. http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/~dm/remove.pdf - sekhar -- C. 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Sat Apr 16 02:57:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35410-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41309 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:57:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 41296 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:57:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:57:42 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] obtuse or acute? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LdmR1ilsxAJ/Fo/TkFf5Qw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_LdmR1ilsxAJ/Fo/TkFf5Qw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Anyone else think "obtuse sounds" is among the worst possible phrases >> to employ when discussing microsound. > I see them as being acute...no? Quite. A word that can mean dull, blunt, wide and/or lacking intelligence seems almost a comically bad choice in this context. k:p --Boundary_(ID_LdmR1ilsxAJ/Fo/TkFf5Qw)-- From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 23:03:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35409-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70202 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:03:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 70192 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:03:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:03:51 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] generative academia? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NYkOSyJvL5In+afyaBg6bne8h2ZTZlIEOTeMBs+W0Neuu6wSQ/2Ne3Mi/TBj4QMws8C8Ks+AV14CQIXb3JGOApy/271yY2MpHASaovJ1m13TB/xtKsTPJJN1be3vZX1IHCsa8xFW9pwIjPeBEbbksM/ZlcySe7UFexuVCOdZ3uQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, I really found this event quite amusing. But, if you read the article, it was chosen as an unread submission. Even still, I parsed it quickly, and it looked legit! Is anyone using much context-free grammar for music nowadays? ~Kyle On 4/14/05, graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 20:27:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35408-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95410 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:27:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 95398 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:27:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:27:11 -0400 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] crit->alternative In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 15, 2005, at 3:05 PM, David Powers wrote: > Hi, > > This idea of dialectics has been pretty thoroughly disputed. For > Hegelian and Marxist dialectics, this is true, insofar as dialectical > progress through history is inevitable. For later philosophers, > however, this is not necessarily so. > > As I understand it, Horkheimer and Adorno's "Dialectic of > Enlightenment" was precisely the idea that rational progress can > dialectically turn into its opposite, irrationality. > > Or, using evolutionary biology as a model, one could argue that there > is no such thing as "progress," within evolutionary changes, since > increasing fitness is only relative to the conditions being adapted to > and does not have any ultimate value; environmental conditions are > subject to change, and environmental shifts can turn positive > evolutionary adaptions into negative ones. > > Finally, models from the study of nonlinear and chaotic systems might > look at change in an entirely different way, based on phase diagrams > and > attractors. I would imagine that the memes in circulation, including > both critique and superior alternatives, would structure the > possibilities available to a society at any given time in order to go a > significant mutation in form. > > ~David I like fish... fish... I really like fish... oh how I like to eat fiiiiiiish... - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 19:36:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35407-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67756 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:36:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 67745 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:36:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:37:58 -0400 From: Slava Katz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: two very important questions To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <01f601c541f2$a1ce7380$xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "...the desire to be different is little more than commonplace, that the indie elite are more numerous than they would perhaps care to think" in a modern world, in which food and shelter are commonplace to many, individuals seek solace in individuality and uniqueness to obtain proof of identity and self worth. this regimental exercise, or, the need to stand out (closely related to leadership), is constantly reevaluated and balanced with the innate need to belong (or follow). imo, music enables the individual/group, listener/broadcaster, to satisfy these two conflicting needs almost simultaneously. ha. > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > From: Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: re: two very important questions > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > A short time googling nets these: > > "What is called music today is all too often only a disguise for the monologue > of power. However, and this is the supreme irony of it all, never before have > musicians tried so hard to communicate with their audience, and never before > has that communication been so deceiving. Music now seems hardly more than a > somewhat clumsy excuse for the self-glorification of musicians and the growth > of a new industrial sector." > > * Jacques Attali Quoted in Classic Essays on Twentieth-Century Music, ISBN > 0028645812. > > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Power > > --- > > " In Code: And Other Laws of Cyberspace, Lawrence Lessig warns of > "architectures of control" that have an increasing capacity to regulate > behavior (30): > > When you first purchase a book from Amazon.com and establish an > account ... Amazon.com's server places an entry in your cookie > file. When you return to that site, your browser sends the cookie > along with the request for the site; the server can then set your > preferences according to your account. Amazon.com can recommend > books for you to buy, given the pattern of purchases you have made > before. (34) > > The very fact that, by recognizing my "type," Amazon can predict what I am > likely to purchase, suggests that what I perceive as individual choice or > personal taste is actually part of a more objective social structure. But > corporations are responsible for creating as well as exploiting such > structures. One cannot help but recognize with Amazon something of the > pervasive, mysterious power described by Foucault not as a repressive force but > as one that "produces reality; it produces domains of objects and rituals of > truth. The individual and the knowledge that may be gained of him belong to > this production" (194). For all its proclaimed edginess, indie rock would > appear to satisfy more than it challenges preexisting social and economic > structures. As poignantly demonstrated by recent ad campaigns, the desire for > otherness, for distinction from the masses (a sentiment coherent with the > tradition of"culture and society" mapped out by Raymond Williams more than 40 > years ago, and dating perhaps as far back as the Industrial Revolution), is > highly marketable. Volkswagen's use of songs by Jay Farrar and Nick Drake; its > small group of friends who conscientiously turn away from the party, preferring > instead the select company and superior space of their car; the unanticipated > sounds of Mogwai on both a Levi's commercial and Sex and the City episode--all > these suggest that the desire to be different is little more than commonplace, > that the indie elite are more numerous than they would perhaps care to think." > > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2822/is_1_28/ai_n9507897/pg_10 > > > Renick > > Renick Bell > http://www.the3rd2nd.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Fri Apr 15 19:11:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35406-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58625 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:11:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 58615 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:11:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] oulipo pony In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qW1cSPa4nGM8Od//MvcUZTd9mdarGyAD593CCAl9Y0zyUQZ/GZ2J82WjoNJnCnMvVfSAy4vsjj1kHi9xSIlruusNEEgSi1od2H41JQ4snqhzc0HVbiph4E/W7OQhf2irTPAQ3HqjR9JJbjnmlmR3wuKg2bjyEM20HbFGjIrBejQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx whether or not Oulipo's works are truly "amazing" is a matter for your own endorphins ultimately. from my perpective, they are highly formalist and finally too "wet". i mean a joke at the expense of audio here: too 'effected' to be effective. but this is conditioned by my own sentiments for pasolini's many tentactled ouevre: the work was an acid upon reality and power structures, operating not only in the realtively safe realm of the "fictive". Pasolini lost his life fighting in the sysytem of systems. Ouliupo falls under the category of literature as game (ultimately means: signifiers chasing signifiers, so no ultimate passion, no struggle---bead game, anyone?--- The falling out between Calvino and Pasolini (who was one of C.'s earliest critical supporters) came over which side of the ashes of Gramsci one's personal word was to go. To look at Pasolini's final novel ("Petrolio") however is to find a work that was poised to turn the academic world inside out by use of it's own machines. Yet this one small "glitch" work has had minimal effects, one might add. Are the effects of Oulipo as gradual as the systems shifts Thomas Kuhn describes for the conservative contiunuum of science: so slow as to be almost imperceptible? --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I think all of these talents are more > > than just a one trick pony. > > I would say that Oulipo produced many if not all of > the work of Perec > and Queneau and that you can hardly qualify Oulipo > as a one trick > pony...Oulipo is actually many systems (of > constraints) and has > produced some amazing works -- example: Perec's > "Life - A Users Manual" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Fri Apr 15 19:02:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35405-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52821 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:02:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 52810 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:02:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:05:11 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] crit->alternative To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, This idea of dialectics has been pretty thoroughly disputed. For Hegelian and Marxist dialectics, this is true, insofar as dialectical progress through history is inevitable. For later philosophers, however, this is not necessarily so. As I understand it, Horkheimer and Adorno's "Dialectic of Enlightenment" was precisely the idea that rational progress can dialectically turn into its opposite, irrationality. Or, using evolutionary biology as a model, one could argue that there is no such thing as "progress," within evolutionary changes, since increasing fitness is only relative to the conditions being adapted to and does not have any ultimate value; environmental conditions are subject to change, and environmental shifts can turn positive evolutionary adaptions into negative ones. Finally, models from the study of nonlinear and chaotic systems might look at change in an entirely different way, based on phase diagrams and attractors. I would imagine that the memes in circulation, including both critique and superior alternatives, would structure the possibilities available to a society at any given time in order to go a significant mutation in form. ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 04/15/05 01:21PM >>> > Buckminster Fuller would say that critique pales next to creating > superior > alternatives. this might be true if there is no flow from one state (crit) to the other (alternatives)...but in a dialectical process the antithesis can serve as a critique and from this comes a synthesis which can represent an alternative to the thesis...no? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 18:50:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35404-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43933 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:50:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 43857 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:50:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3GCmR/vvdEFgpMQg2Q6ul8uiiRmbn6h4UrzpLtZPi9gzdzfc8bjfWAmqG0tEIIit/GQCyENt43sO3XiNaRx28pBr4Fd+BDK5vjllOWL/p+yvT7ts2fPB6kFAh/mhjVoQvjgERHP0eWQeVddyHZzEV58CuZAw75JeX3UQktqu3+8= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > after reading 'critical mass' i was struck by his > thought that we have > enough to take care of everyone on earth, but we > just don't distribute > those resources equitably. and i know that same > sentiment has been > said many times in many ways, but his way had math > to go with it ... the question is: was his "math" as incorrect as some have maintained or were the counter-punching mathematicians already ideologized i.e. dishonest or working in "bad faith")? those who were (like me) disappointed by "a beautiful mind" (the film) will see the repercussions another way. nuclear science has had a dubious effect on us all--no one doubts however the key scientists were "geniuses", whereas half the world still thinks of this particular social scientist as a dangerous crack-pot jeff gburek www.djalma.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Fri Apr 15 18:37:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35403-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33739 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:37:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 33690 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:37:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:37:10 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] crit->alternative In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130301be85b9e9f5f4@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >in a dialectical process the antithesis can serve as a critique and from >this >comes a synthesis which can represent an alternative to the thesis... -Seems to me like a normal conversation between grown ups. 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Fri Apr 15 18:36:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35402-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31763 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:36:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 31752 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:36:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:36:17 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] oulipo pony To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I think all of these talents are more > than just a one trick pony. I would say that Oulipo produced many if not all of the work of Perec and Queneau and that you can hardly qualify Oulipo as a one trick pony...Oulipo is actually many systems (of constraints) and has produced some amazing works -- example: Perec's "Life - A Users Manual" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 18:28:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35401-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27669 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:28:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 27659 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:28:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:28:47 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] obtuse or acute? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Anyone else think "obtuse sounds" is among the worst possible phrases > to employ when discussing microsound. 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Fri Apr 15 18:21:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35400-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22941 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:21:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 22931 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:21:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:21:17 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] crit->alternative To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Buckminster Fuller would say that critique pales next to creating > superior > alternatives. this might be true if there is no flow from one state (crit) to the other (alternatives)...but in a dialectical process the antithesis can serve as a critique and from this comes a synthesis which can represent an alternative to the thesis...no? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 17:55:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35399-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8691 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:55:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 8669 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:55:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:55:01 +0200 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Oto Onkyo Radio Show To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi everyboby, Follow oto onkyo via the network at the url [ http://82.236.44.208:8000/oto.ogg ] ( copy/paste it in your audio player in the section "open an url"). 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Fri Apr 15 17:48:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35398-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2041 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:48:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 2029 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:48:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:48:40 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] audacity article To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/04/14/audacity.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 15:49:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35397-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48940 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:49:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 48926 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:49:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:49:41 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] SDIC In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be859296b7eb@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Well, I thinks Kim's point is, in a complex system, you can't take away >something like algebra and expect ANY aspect of the system to remain the >same. I mean, fundamentally, from this point of view, you could argue >that without algebra, none of us would have been born. The human race >and planet might appear totally different. I would assume that the role >of algebra in, say, the last 500 years of human history is hardly >trivial! http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MSTT.html 'Metasystem Transition Theory (MSTT) is the name we have given our particular cybernetic philosophy. Its most salient concept is, of course, the Metasystem Transition (MST), the evolutionary process by which higher levels of complexity and control are generated. But it also includes our views on philosophical problems, and makes predictions about the possible future of mankind and life. Our goal is to create, on the basis of cybernetic concepts, an integrated philosophical system, or "world view", proposing answers to the most fundamental questions about the world, ourselves, and our ultimate values.' 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Fri Apr 15 14:20:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35396-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3659 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:20:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 3649 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:20:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:23:00 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] SDIC To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, I thinks Kim's point is, in a complex system, you can't take away something like algebra and expect ANY aspect of the system to remain the same. I mean, fundamentally, from this point of view, you could argue that without algebra, none of us would have been born. The human race and planet might appear totally different. I would assume that the role of algebra in, say, the last 500 years of human history is hardly trivial! ~David >>> xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx 04/15/05 04:50AM >>> In a message dated 14/4/05 4:51:21 pm, xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx writes: >without OULIPO there wouldn't >have been Calvino, Perec, Queneau. I would ascribe a broader engagement with their craft to all of these writers than just the association with Oulipo. I think all of these talents are more than just a one trick pony. Without algebra I'm fairly sure that each would still have had something to say. regards Rob ::_______________________________________:: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 14:09:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35395-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97441 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:09:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 97431 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:09:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:02 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] re: two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KiDvduy1Y0JPc8o4EAY8fSJRw7mohog3Q68DUQkM9rBTXhttK4hGINwX5NzAms1yt1fqaNlMiHCtbisMW9Rd8/TfKzNBpaW06LGnEGSPRe5NJ3gFIxd4xm+2CWQva54XUkFhiQH82zdPozGfna/g8XH2xeXX2PL/VyubR3u1HrU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 4/14/05, Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Buckminster Fuller would say that critique pales next to creating superior > alternatives. ("You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To > change things, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.") i think he was on to something. after reading 'critical mass' i was struck by his thought that we have enough to take care of everyone on earth, but we just don't distribute those resources equitably. and i know that same sentiment has been said many times in many ways, but his way had math to go with it ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 09:50:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35394-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2071 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:50:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 2061 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:50:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:50:23 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] SDIC To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 143 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In a message dated 14/4/05 4:51:21 pm, xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx writes: >without OULIPO there wouldn't >have been Calvino, Perec, Queneau. I would ascribe a broader engagement with their craft to all of these writers than just the association with Oulipo. I think all of these talents are more than just a one trick pony. Without algebra I'm fairly sure that each would still have had something to say. regards Rob ::_______________________________________:: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 08:54:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35393-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83549 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:54:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 83517 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:54:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:54:23 +0100 From: slow sound system <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [london] last call : john chantler, function : live, sunday To: Ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Dorkbot London <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, DorkbotLondon-Blabber <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, IDM <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, lowercase sound <xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, foundry news <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx>, Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Wire Announcements <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <008901c54198$ba346ec0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DW7/1xN/BrY6HhrCRsqumg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2005 08:55:06.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1CA55E0:01C54198] --Boundary_(ID_DW7/1xN/BrY6HhrCRsqumg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SLOW SOUND SYSTEM LIE DOWN AND BE COUNTED THE FOUNDRY : 17 APRIL 2005 : 3-8PM ------- 'Quality avant chillage' BBCi 'Unadulterated bliss .' 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Fri Apr 15 07:48:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35392-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58271 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:48:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 58261 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:48:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:48:12 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] article In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "This love affair with obtuse sounds began for Cascone in early adolescence" Anyone else think "obtuse sounds" is among the worst possible phrases to employ when discussing microsound. k:p On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I stumbled across this article which is from a while ago but here is > the link anyway: > http://www.ei-mag.com/archive-cascone.php > they have a new issue about to come out btw... > KIM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 04:35:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35391-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8987 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:35:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 8975 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:35:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:35:05 -0400 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] generative academia? To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Grad Music <xxxx-xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 03:34:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35390-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89608 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:34:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 89597 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:34:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] re: two very important questions To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BzA7Hsh/ZDN92NPrYzVSlU60qs2PH2AC8++2PfegCP6oG4otSEgSHXL6ZSU/7xtTjHlABoltxfFEd/HfQzetR4ck+5YDzHWpqAGcXTNkQy/7cdokUmTevuEQ8rL6/GO4WOTOU9HyU6wVyq70QDmE0cGfx/rN8sGJYVgTlrgBOVs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A short time googling nets these: "What is called music today is all too often only a disguise for the monologue of power. However, and this is the supreme irony of it all, never before have musicians tried so hard to communicate with their audience, and never before has that communication been so deceiving. Music now seems hardly more than a somewhat clumsy excuse for the self-glorification of musicians and the growth of a new industrial sector." * Jacques Attali Quoted in Classic Essays on Twentieth-Century Music, ISBN 0028645812. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Power --- " In Code: And Other Laws of Cyberspace, Lawrence Lessig warns of "architectures of control" that have an increasing capacity to regulate behavior (30): When you first purchase a book from Amazon.com and establish an account ... Amazon.com's server places an entry in your cookie file. When you return to that site, your browser sends the cookie along with the request for the site; the server can then set your preferences according to your account. Amazon.com can recommend books for you to buy, given the pattern of purchases you have made before. (34) The very fact that, by recognizing my "type," Amazon can predict what I am likely to purchase, suggests that what I perceive as individual choice or personal taste is actually part of a more objective social structure. But corporations are responsible for creating as well as exploiting such structures. One cannot help but recognize with Amazon something of the pervasive, mysterious power described by Foucault not as a repressive force but as one that "produces reality; it produces domains of objects and rituals of truth. The individual and the knowledge that may be gained of him belong to this production" (194). For all its proclaimed edginess, indie rock would appear to satisfy more than it challenges preexisting social and economic structures. As poignantly demonstrated by recent ad campaigns, the desire for otherness, for distinction from the masses (a sentiment coherent with the tradition of"culture and society" mapped out by Raymond Williams more than 40 years ago, and dating perhaps as far back as the Industrial Revolution), is highly marketable. Volkswagen's use of songs by Jay Farrar and Nick Drake; its small group of friends who conscientiously turn away from the party, preferring instead the select company and superior space of their car; the unanticipated sounds of Mogwai on both a Levi's commercial and Sex and the City episode--all these suggest that the desire to be different is little more than commonplace, that the indie elite are more numerous than they would perhaps care to think." http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2822/is_1_28/ai_n9507897/pg_10 --- "Although the Internet has historically been praised as "the world's largest functioning anarchy," it is rapidly changing as governments start to regulate it and large corporations get more and more involved. "The tendency toward decentralization, even in the face of the enormous concentrations of power in the entertainment and broadcasting industries, is an exciting and optimistic sign. [...] In some circles, there is an argument that technology and information systems invariably decentralize and thus challenge the very powers that created them. This has a utopian and romantic ring to it" (Roger Johnson in Computer Music Journal). "The paradox is that there is a highly personalized, contained art that fits into the confines of a small screen, and yet that belongs to a global network that relies on a huge governmental or otherwise bureaucratic entity to support it. Personal computers may be just that [personal], but the technology needed to make them talk to one another [...] relies on just the kind of establishment that networked art is trying to subvert" (Richard Povall in Computer Music Journal)." http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9805/msg00078.html --- "Within any given society there may be a variety of sub-codes and conventions, some of which critique and subvert the dominant codes and conventions. Some cultural commentators use the Gramscian notion of hegemony to describe the relationship between dominant cultural practices and resistant counter-cultural practices. For Gramsci, hegemony refers to the way in which dominant ideologies circulate in and through societies with fairly strong social stability, such as British society, to maintain the moral and intellectual leadership of the ruling class. In Gramsci’s model, counter-hegemonic subversive ideologies emanating from subordinate classes are also allowed to circulate, at least to a degree that the dominant classes can bear. The Manic Street Preachers may write songs full of subversive left-wing lyrics, but they are also a commercial pop band signed up to EMI, a company which is happy to allow the band to peddle subversive lyrics as long as they continue to make money not only for themselves, but also for the record company." http://www.ashgate.com/subject_area/downloads/sample_chapters/Indexing_Multimedia_Creative_Works_Ch1.pdf --- This is ill-considered, but, therefore, pessimistically, the impossibility of complete subversion? Negativland attempts subversion with U2 and Casey Kasem and suffers while Bono becomes the moral voice in Switzerland. Dangermouse grabs Jay-Z, but Jay-Z rides the wave. Neither Bad Religion (and hordes of others) mashing up Bush's speech to make him say what they believe is on his mind nor a lot of surplus-wearing leftists and anarchists seem to have prevented a second Iraq war or a second Bush term. Buckminster Fuller would say that critique pales next to creating superior alternatives. (“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change things, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”) Personally, I'm burnt on pop culture's ironic overload. Take off the gimme caps already. Renick Renick Bell http://www.the3rd2nd.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 15 00:32:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35389-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29089 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 29079 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:23:53 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <772-SnapperMsgF4585520BE84BC27@[70.6.70.133]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx and this concept itself has been explored by pauline oliveros with her scores for improvisation. one collection of her work is in fact titled "Software for People." this type of thing started with stochhausen too, who published two books of intuitive music - "fur kommende zeite" and "aus den sieben tagen." ....... Original Message ....... On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I think music can serve as 'software' for human-beings ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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[4.2.05] o.blaat AOKI takamasa Elliott Sharp Otomo Yoshihide Sachiko M + Nobukazu Takemura Yoshimitsu Ichiraku Taku Hannoda Carl Stone http://echoplex.blogspot.com/2005/04/sounds-of-silence.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 20:43:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35387-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26534 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:43:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 26524 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:43:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] SDIC In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nVi5HuW4pYRjHOnr9iY4fwhm/Q1RAwLv03E3iJKwqqQN7x0O2zptG3FWYcdUO00EN0wKSeEjXeAGk4lBvifzq4W3nawMEuYCPurBowi0/ENSD09UxFGXW+RFPViRRUSOVNgpM3QfeAdjh7R3/Ezyidfmpt9nsWhzlJSE7hI/i/A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx What's wrong with algebra, anyways? --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Sure, but in a world without algebra, poetry would > probably still be > > pretty > > much the same thing. > > disagree...mostly because of 'sensitive dependence > on initial > conditions'...i.e., remove one small seemingly > insignificant element > from a system and you will have a completely > different system at some > point in time... > example: without algebra you wouldn't have had the > Bourbaki; without > Bourbaki you wouldn't have had OULIPO; without > OULIPO there wouldn't > have been Calvino, Perec, Queneau... > as a result poetry might well NOT have been the > 'same thing'... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Thu Apr 14 20:32:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35386-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18326 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:32:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 18316 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:32:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=UBiZ4cKd64mNGmuDnz1B2StryPH9+/Avf/T3MbnTWYHsLyUYYEyUdIQ2BahCuF92U1fcz9wyVlSTD3+GlWYuYOh210IvPHfP+EY+Ai8ZTcfUGWfWDs1X7mkxZOYhhZoMUSOmrD1WMGpcTthwPtby9uJ+G6iudPLu0cxy6dfq6Hk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > although, i think it is incorrect > stating that no other discipline talks > of process the way electronic music > people do. it's just not as visible, > perhaps because computers arent > involved. > Not to mention dead wrong. Virtually every discipline speaks heavily of process. Ever talk to experimental film-makers? Or painters? To think that these issues are specific to this micro-community is pure ignorance. Remember, John Cage wasn't just a composer. I also think that any critique of an entire genre of art (conceptual) should be accompanied by an historical knowledge of the actual producers of such work and the reasons for doing it. andrew Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 19:58:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35385-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98907 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:58:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 98887 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:58:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: billy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pFDQ4rTyX0kCI9nhcPTfSK4fAPhMj39xAiKEkXSo1Mf2bHIcnylxEKUEQIgdAQCQoHf/B2u8dWQNelfEGSOxVhQ1Jj4yyRQ5iHn8G19ddNApQUA9FDIfEtyKwQ+PbEIVbghBESMek98jooKveMhR+p+eFgcPcmRvj7hhn4MfFcg= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that is the most i could hope for! (i was actually referring to the more heady conversations that have been going around - i try not to theorize my work so much - thanks for putting it plainly!) > it means you make music. > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 19:42:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35384-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92033 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:42:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 92022 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:42:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:42:49 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jJZi5Bz8n5/wgH760NK+5norjC3C2FKT0RLrzrxesR3JdMXg4QCTfT1rSbfCjNiupeba9wpDuxwQpVjgT2BcEA2ZgM6/rkbjCOYBH8v1XJlxCix8PFvHYDapArkYzUcOkF7SAqvt6Mv1dkI0lxjNLxDmgj8rx1STGyRa0ADm6ac= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 4/14/05, billy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i'm not sure what this process "means"....anyone? it means you make music. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 19:31:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35383-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87973 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:31:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 87955 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:31:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:31:52 -0700 (PDT) From: billy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N+x8MpCVjUgnRVXZ45a1NjM0EqbwoKHbB56XJHHN/2gngLiscucVm3W/hRcccDT3FY2/U27WmKcUyVHdemWWGliyWQjSsWUxKhB/X6KTtOlq1nnalXN7Yy1NtJ1m3dXD6tNV5BxwQRyEiZ0yujpH5CKfhwRtwdsS4/LR3j2/OVw= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i have occasionally worked in a similar fashion. using readymade materials (pop songs/field recordings whatever) as a "source" or "guide" for certain aspects of improvisation. i also, have been very happy with the results! my process or treatment of the original material is loose analysis of the actual audio of the source - and the final music tends to be quite distant from the source material. certainly not a set of instructions or processes (do x if y, etc) but close.... i feel this way of working allows me to work out my relationships with other material, and interpret this relation as music, maybe a bit postmodern when using "pop song" material..... i'm not sure what this process "means"....anyone? sorry, no website! > on a related and projective note, i think it would > be interesting to > see more work using recordings (audio or midi) of > popular music > literally as "codes for behavior" - ie instruction > sets - just as in > this work i have quite simply translated musical > objects into a set of > angles and distances that might as well have been > drawn in pencil as > pixel. > > sorry if this doesn't address the questions head-on! > > enjoying the discussion, > jake > > On 4/13/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > - How do musical recordings function as markers of > power and codes for > > regimenting behavior? > > > > - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create > > alternative musical narratives and different > codes? > > > > I would love to see a microsound TWiki text > project develop around > > these two questions...any takers? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 19:20:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35382-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81873 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:20:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 81852 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:20:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:19:27 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gnot+3U9ECPF58VP9mDp/QxQqG2z61m4DqDRcSre2uqBu1fjYyTx0UIu3UN+mNt49eI3bihKPyRI50/6zNVNN1Gl7V+3Ifr53vaH0n1qIe29SRpRL8PVxt4glMBZwgWYGBF4lOtQJI8FDFfvtYmiziGYiYmLycSujKErij0c4pc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'd lke to talk a bit about a project i'm working on right now in relation to this train of inquiry, and hope that its relevance outweighs its promotion. the project is http://structuredsound.net/popsketchseries/ i've taken a set of pop songs and visualized them as line drawings. a technical explanation and sourcecode are on the site, but suffice to say that it's a very simple and shallow visualization of pitch+volume from midi files. the output, however, is very complex and has been very pleasing to me. principally, what i notice is that the resulting drawings oscillate between childlike doodles and very regimented, geometric graphs. the software has effectively divorced these songs from most of their content - and, i would argue, from the content they bear by which we actually define them. i'm not just talking about lyrical content, but textural and semiotic content (non-verbal references to popular forms+products). the visualization or inter-media remixing of these songs, then, discards those "markers" and "codes" that were present in the original recordings. to retrieve these objects as political objects, i've had to frame them specifically in relation to the original recordings' existence as "markers" and "codes." i've tried to capture some of what might be called the "dishonesty" of this process in my statement about the work. on a related and projective note, i think it would be interesting to see more work using recordings (audio or midi) of popular music literally as "codes for behavior" - ie instruction sets - just as in this work i have quite simply translated musical objects into a set of angles and distances that might as well have been drawn in pencil as pixel. sorry if this doesn't address the questions head-on! enjoying the discussion, jake On 4/13/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for > regimenting behavior? > > - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create > alternative musical narratives and different codes? > > I would love to see a microsound TWiki text project develop around > these two questions...any takers? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 18:55:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35381-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65137 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:55:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 65126 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:55:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:55:00 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] free (old) software To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx cleaning out studio and have old versions of Opcode Studio Vision Pro and Pro Tools for OS8/9 these both come in boxes w/manuals and cdroms/floppy discs (remember those?) Sound Forge and 3D Studio Max for Windows95 also come in boxes w/ cdroms and manuals if interested contact me offlist need to send them out before next Thursday (I'm leaving for Europe) if you're interested! *taker pays shipping only* KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 18:37:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35380-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56116 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:37:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 56105 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:37:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=A2SN2Njn7wdmSzKIRWLCWbk851V6oFu/RlDB7ciPiCaNwv98kD5x73Tn2KbSvrJ23H+ZCMf8vCXKDDYSqyGocZRtKMGz9U4KkW+JiGx4RRDY87uWjxrDDTve2SsWSRxcwRCozxcv0nRTK3DlCNyREb42+74mIzpRq5aER8n3730= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes. i am just reading village bells, so this brings to mind role of bells (in this book: france prior to the revolution) as codings, markers, key aspects of social time and duration. On a related note, always thought you could hear history in how Max Roach plays certain drum 'phrases' -- how druming was 'deeply' imbued with powers of the Call in real historical/political/social time (a time not without historical memory, if not at the level of immediate transparent conciousness). -Andrew To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: two very important questions Message-Id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for regimenting behavior? - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create alternative musical narratives and different codes? I would love to see a microsound TWiki text project develop around these two questions...any takers? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 17:02:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35379-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3155 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:02:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 3145 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:02:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:01:57 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] parasites and noise To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was asked to write an essay on the work of Yasunao Tone for a book project...I found Tone's claim of having created parasites sans host to be interesting and explored his process of creating them while writing this piece... ultimately my essay failed to intersect with the needs of the project so I withdrew my piece from it...but I wanted to put a .pdf of the essay (which is incomplete as of this moment) on the microsound server for those who might be interested since it touches on the concept of parasitic systems and noise... also, I arranged all of my texts into one folder in the 'reading' directory on the server for easier access enjoy! KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 16:23:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35378-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81406 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:23:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 81393 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:23:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:22:20 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sex machine To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c5410e$2e6efb60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > dunno...I dropped out of music school to study > > privately (and free-ride > > classes at Parsons and SVA) so perhaps I missed this > > aspect of > > academia... > > well, "missed" is a relative term....only speaking for > myself who often wishes to be "missing" certain things.... "The search for and avoidance of sexyness in acedemia; cultural implications of the bedroom-studio" by Kim Cascone (editor), Microsound press 2005. :¬p Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 16:10:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35377-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73055 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:10:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 73044 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:10:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: billy <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sex machine In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=T/fTrJkqUO4W6LxKnMb2PRy1EOHsjv1qx2untBGucItFdlQh9BflFgMIAB2zZwTh8iz51JM8fuhGj0VP/HpnY1RDxIQq2NPLqVxU6UpfObXo+askhio7jT/tCPjZzjZwCJ56hm8SHNXSzLha9t+zAeHpWpQwut7YbRIPnh95Ngk= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > dunno...I dropped out of music school to study > privately (and free-ride > classes at Parsons and SVA) so perhaps I missed this > aspect of > academia... well, "missed" is a relative term....only speaking for myself who often wishes to be "missing" certain things.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 16:01:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35376-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67872 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:01:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 67860 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:01:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:01:05 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sex machine In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2005 16:02:22.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[579FBFE0:01C5410B] Does anyone else see the irony here? On 14 Apr 2005, at 16:59, Kim Cascone wrote: > exactly...the article while flattering - except for the 'rat thing' > that John pointed out! ;) - is a clear case of journalism falling into > formulaic methods of expressing a particular subject: achieving the > proper mix of hyper-reality so that more people buy the magazine... -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 16:00:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35375-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66764 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:00:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 66754 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:00:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2IkDUrFx1Xhm0PuqsklSgIAJ/3S4C7zqPAVaIcWL1RTEDIxiTOw3pIRvBrNLk4jPTQUpCYqdcVsVcStmTyUi3nSsMuHubw5aHmdkzNXuZnEcyxyKtxaUO+ebMrom1T5FUM8mOVizMbOpuXBg+1fvkOlOpiBxaJ/FB1zh4kGva/4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for regimenting behavior? I think the larger impact of music is in its meta-influence. Does musical content inherantly create a sub-culture? Do particular sequences of tones, melodies, and percussive elements create a lifestyle; gangsta hiphop, intelligent dance music, laid back house, emo. Yes and no. I think music serves as cultural signifiers for musicians and non-musicians alike. I believe people interpret music in a few fundamental ways; emotionally, intellectually, physically, and intuitively (hardly a new concept), and that microsound sits somewhere between intellectual and intuitive. Regimented behavior is usually seen as both the markers of a successful sub-genre (people becoming interested in, and adopting the mannerisms of the music or the performers), as well as it's subsequent death due to over proliferation (over saturation, radio play, 'they-were-much-better-in-92'). It's a funny contridiction. - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create alternative musical narratives and different codes? I think this happens all the time, but what I see & hear is a watering down of the original music, as well as the new musics intent. In my opinion, if musical culture is continually referencing on itself, the potential for innovation decreases. Things become stale and self-reflexive (much of electronic music is guilty of this these days, case-in-point: mainstream hiphop, 90% of idm today). But I don't want to get into discussing whether there's 'new' music or not. I read a recent interview with Black Dog who said that his interest in anarchy and alternative politics has taken on an extremely subjective nature, where it's become solely about what he buys, consumes etc. I think music can serve as 'software' for human-beings, abstract meta-data, and that listening to abstract music leads to a more subjective life. The mathematical or emotional implications of music can definately transmit life changing information (ie, coil, t.gristle, plunderphonics, early techno, celine dion, michael bolton...). Maybe if the intent of a musician is clear upon the start of a project (whether it be mathematical or aesthetic & regardless of production methods), then the results can intuitively encapsulate the artists original idea clearly and concisely. Music is a very efficient human-to-human & human-to-computer interface. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:59:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35374-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65292 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:59:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 65281 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:59:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:59:21 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] sex machine To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > "Cascone and other microsound artists have made academia sexy again. " > > Is this true Kim? ;) dunno...I dropped out of music school to study privately (and free-ride classes at Parsons and SVA) so perhaps I missed this aspect of academia... > Interesting that even as you talk about music without the need for > spectacle, journalists seem necessary to talk about it in a spectacular > way, using descriptions straight out of Rolling Stone. exactly...the article while flattering - except for the 'rat thing' that John pointed out! ;) - is a clear case of journalism falling into formulaic methods of expressing a particular subject: achieving the proper mix of hyper-reality so that more people buy the magazine... Adorno turns in his grave --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:56:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35373-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63806 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:56:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 63792 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:56:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:59:10 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Lately I've been thinking I've three different poles of music: +Open arhythmic sound exploration +music that manifests or supports a narrative structure +ritual rhythmic music that relates to dance and induced trance states I find all three poles to be interesting for experimentation, and there are also hybrid music that move between all three poles. House music obviously falls into the latter category. While I agree with what Matt says, at the same time, I would suggest that the program embedded in some house music may be of a different type than the program embedded in, say, Top 40 - particularly when there are no lyrics, or minimal ones, present. I've spent a lot of time listening to various world musics, and I've noticed many instances of rhythmic similarities between certain traditional ritual dance music rhythms and the rhythms of house/techno intended for the dance floor. What I particularly wonder is, whether it is possible that certain tempos and rhythms tend to be more effective in the brain for producing ritual-trance type states of consciousness. Thus, house is just rediscovering a musical possibility that humans have used for ages. I think there may be some layers in this experience that aren't just cultural conditioning. Culture comes in when we ask what is the "content" or mental experience that people participating in the ritual have. In traditional rituals, the tribal belief program will guide the mental experiences people have during the ritual. Likewise, house music has certain typical themes, relating to Jack, to sexuality, etc. Techno sometimes uses science fiction narratives. Drugs may also influence the type of experience. And of course, there are the codes that surround the DJ performance, the presentation and environment of the event (just being "IN A CLUB" codes behavior), subcultural memes that are flourishing at the time, and preconceived notions about what house music means that people bring with them. But I wonder if some of the content could in fact be quite variable, or even open to manipulation, based on the total environment in which the house music is presented (or other music with rhythms that can potentially induce trance states - could equally be dub reggae, rock n roll, hiphop). What if Sun Ra did house music and took people to other planets? ;) All this reminds me of a conversation where Guattari mentions breakdancing and then the song that cuts up Ronald Reagan http://www.gpc.edu/~mnunes/guattari.html , search "my fellow americans" on the page. Guattari: "So, some examples: I don't see why you want me to give examples of popular music which are generally reterritorializations. However, there is one that immediately occurs to me, it's break dancing and music, all these dances which are both hyper-territorialized and hyper-corporal, but that, at the same time, make us discover spectrums of possible utilization, completely unforeseen traits of corporality, and that invent a new grace of entirely unheard-of possibilities of corporality. I've also been fascinated -- but this isn't popular music either -- by Chicago blues, the Chicago school, because these monstrous, elephantine instruments like the bass, they begin to fly with unheard-of lightness and richness . . ." ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx 04/14/05 10:01AM >>> Maybe this is the obvious one, but house music does this, specifically the recordings. They are produced in programmatic ways, some much moreso than others. The features they share not only prescribe a particular tempo of movement and dance, but also build and release tension in similar, predictable, and -matchable- ways. They control both dancer and DJ to a considerable degree in many aspects of the experience. matt ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:50:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35372-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60895 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:50:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 60877 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:50:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:50:38 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] SDIC To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Sure, but in a world without algebra, poetry would probably still be > pretty > much the same thing. disagree...mostly because of 'sensitive dependence on initial conditions'...i.e., remove one small seemingly insignificant element from a system and you will have a completely different system at some point in time... example: without algebra you wouldn't have had the Bourbaki; without Bourbaki you wouldn't have had OULIPO; without OULIPO there wouldn't have been Calvino, Perec, Queneau... as a result poetry might well NOT have been the 'same thing'... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:47:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35371-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58383 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:47:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 58373 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:47:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:47:32 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HtC4PzjJ77/hYBwlZqC/dRjTNZ83uk2JtM5K/ONZ5t9PgHdgueFU0HablluKHWIO9Tms0BEzoOfLrq/vIB6biJN/KxWqeXfeHh7oa1JeRaWGaMy54Bn8ItrxTIODQbTjx5IxwTFNPOdbxzp/TdV1c/Q7Yc8AAgwlQaGHjjA3NOw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 4/14/05, COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > not that executives at big record companies and, er, clearchannel, are > out to set the agendas and directions for our culture at large (?!), but > they seem to be very well practiced at supporting and propagating > specific aspects of it. and it is mostly those aspects that generate revenue for them that they support and propagate. in fact, that is the whole point of american mass media culture- to increase shareholder value. the occupation of iraq is to make money. > the big question doesn't > strike me as whether or not it's possible to create alternative musical > narratives, or even how you would got about this, but rather how would > you make these narratives at all effective?? how do you measure 'effectiveness'? - revenue - popularity - aesthetic impact - originality what is the time scale to measure on? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:22:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35370-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46906 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:22:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 46896 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:22:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:22:20 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <646-SnapperMsgF4585520BE843B37@[68.26.22.196]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: 6667 <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i guess i need to read this sound on sound interview. i like autechre, however criticised and heavily imitated. although, i think it is incorrect stating that no other discipline talks of process the way electronic music people do. it's just not as visible, perhaps because computers arent involved. m ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:11:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35369-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41201 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:11:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 41189 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:11:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:10:56 +0200 From: COSTELLOE Richard <xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] two very important questions To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] two very important questions Thread-index: AcVAb9vNqbL5O5ZUTXSpOzDZYPE0VwAhXwGw Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2005 15:10:56.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[28BD0CC0:01C54104] can you explain what's implied by "markers of power" & "power structures"? is the context socio-political, or in regard to music theory? if the latter, please ignore this email ; ) if the former... music in our culture is obviously a huge part of the very conscious and refined practice of spreading/enforcing cultural memes, styles, norms and associated products. regimenting behaviour is an extension of this, especially with the young, impressionable and those who just want to stay cool! further, popular music that seems to work into this becomes popular by no small coincidence. not that executives at big record companies and, er, clearchannel, are out to set the agendas and directions for our culture at large (?!), but they seem to be very well practiced at supporting and propagating specific aspects of it. studying tv/radio-programming trends and the narratives of 'top selling' hits may or may not reveal latent support of seemingly unrelated (political) events such as, say, invading iraq. but at least in america the relationship between those who are creating/spreading popular music and those who have physical power seems to be getting closer and closer. the same could be argued for those who are pushing commercial aspects of cultural power such as food, clothing, and basically whatever you're seeing britney's face plastered on this week. if this is true... because these systems are consciously created, they can of course be consciously subverted. but the big question doesn't strike me as whether or not it's possible to create alternative musical narratives, or even how you would got about this, but rather how would you make these narratives at all effective?? we're creating ripples in a stormy ocean. "Percentage of songs on Billboard's Top 20 list during 2004 whose lyrics mention at least one brand name: 40" - Harpers.org "I want to be the song that you hear in your head " - Bono - Richard (and with tongue firmly placed in cheek: http://www.iinion.net/str8.mp3) >...yes fortean (sorry for the spellerzz) and other methods do > keep music and power structures separate... >... How do musical recordings function as markers of power > and codes for regimenting behavior... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:07:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35368-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38306 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:07:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 38296 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:07:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:06:59 +0000 From: ian stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] got al jabr? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2005 15:06:59.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B35AA60:01C54103] Kim Cascone wrote: --> this reminds me of a cartoon from old issue of the New Yorker magazine: a line drawing of a very poorly built house is shown with different lengths of wood beams, no correct angles, nothing fitting properly, a complete shambles and the caption to the cartoon reads: "a world without algebra" <-- Sure, but in a world without algebra, poetry would probably still be pretty much the same thing. Analogies between music and architecture (or poetry, or language, or cooking) are often made, but if they illuminate some aspects of music, they ignore or obscure others. Personally I find the greatest relevance in analogies with other artforms which control time, such as experimental film; Brakhage's films come closer to what I understand music to be than any other 'non-musical' expression. best, Ian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 15:03:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35367-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36072 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:03:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 36041 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:03:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:01:58 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <701-SnapperMsgF4585520BE8436A0@[68.26.22.196]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'll give it a shot... ....... Original Message ....... On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:12:52 -0700 Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >- How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for >regimenting behavior? Maybe this is the obvious one, but house music does this, specifically the recordings. They are produced in programmatic ways, some much moreso than others. The features they share not only prescribe a particular tempo of movement and dance, but also build and release tension in similar, predictable, and -matchable- ways. They control both dancer and DJ to a considerable degree in many aspects of the experience. >- Can we sample/alter those recordings to create >alternative musical narratives and different codes? Most certainly, some already have, but many that do tend to appear in the same landscape, so the end result is the same. More generally, i can see these questions directed at consumerist music, where the control of forces like the record industry are prescribing what people hear, and effectively what they desire. Considering the nature of the intended audience, methods of reworking things may bring cheers from some and scorn from most. It would definitely change their perception of what's happening, and may even influence their listening. I hope I am not oversimplifying what I agree are very important questions! matt ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 14:09:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35366-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11285 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:09:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 11275 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:09:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:09:29 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <724-SnapperMsgF4585520BE842A2C@[68.26.22.196]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx cage was also inspired by rauschenberg's white paintings displayed at black mountain college, noticing how the dust created shadow and texture on a neutral ground. i have never felt that cage has ever been a 'conceptual artist'. his work was ultimately practical, and his methods inspired by immediacy and circumstance. i think people misunderstand cage because of the influence he had, and come to his music with too much of this conceptual baggage. ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 12:54:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35365-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81783 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:54:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 81773 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:54:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:54:30 +0100 From: "cyrk. admin." <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] cyrk.19-04-05 X-Originating-IP: [82.35.83.212] X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2005 12:54:30.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[196B5E10:01C540F1] CYRK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SLUB - Slub sound emerges from slub software; melodic and chordal studies, generative experiments and beat processes. process-based sonic improvisations; live generative music using hand-crafted Macintosh and Unix applications (in networked synchrony). With roots in UK electronica and tech culture, slub build their own software environments for creating music in realtime. Only custom composition and DSP software is used. Everything you hear is formed by human minds. Slub have performed throughout Europe and the U.K and have released their music through the fals.ch mp3 label - http://fals.ch/f4ls_02/d!_mAIx.php. 8bitrecs - http://8bitrecs.com/ and fallt - http://www.fallt.com/ For CYRK, slub will be presenting a live audio/visual performance. http://www.slub.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COUNT (cyrk) - Hand made modular synthesis, purring broken techno, gaussian drones, arpeggiated arrhythms, next generation computer music, live sound-organization. For CYRK, Edinburgh based artist Count will perform using self built live audio processing software. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MATTHEW ABREY - Microtonal drones, phase interference & ‘70s bicycles. From a background in cassette tape manipulation, circuit bending, delay lines and feedback. Matt's work has developed and he has since used spectralism as a process by which to explore the basic nature of environmental and instrumental sound. ''Spectralism provides a means by which I can explore the properties of a sound source without being necessarily bound to its physical origin''. Recent work has included algorithmic, generative music systems and the processing of instrumental sound, a digital development of his initial tape construction methods. For CYRK, Matthew will perform an audio/visual performance of extended drones and 70's bicycle video. http://www.sonicarts.co.uk/abrey_para.mp3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DJ WRONGSPEED (Resonance fm) For CYRK, Dj Wrongspeed is the invited Guest DJ. http://www.londonsoundscape.net/redzeroradio/archive_resistance.html http://www.resonancefm.com/pflava.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + CYRK DJ's Your CYRK host and compere for the evening will be RICHARD THOMAS (Banality-Resonance fm) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CYRK. Tuesday 19th April 2005. 19:30pm - 01:00am @bardens boudoir 38-44 Stoke Newington Road,London N16 http://www.bardensbar.co.uk/ £3.£5 after 11. info- xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx [/url][/b] _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 14 02:42:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35364-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3047 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:42:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 3031 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:42:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:42:03 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <004701c54048$33666a20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <709-SnapperMsgF4585520BE838901@[70.0.197.5]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <004701c54048$33666a20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I dont see that i say that, no. Any tool is subject to this phenomenon. ....... Original Message ....... On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:45:20 +0200 "Kassen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> wrote: >From: Mr.D > > >> The comments about programs like Live and Reason can be >> pessimistically accurate considering that one reason people buy it is >> because they know so-and-so uses it, and they already want to be >> pigeonholed before they even start up the application. > > >And you are saying that the same phenomenon does not affect the PD/ SC/ MAX/ >Csound/ etc crowd? By the comments on this list I would asume the people >using those identify with their program of choice much more then Live users >do. After the most recent Sound on Sound article on Autechre I saw a lot of >posts on boards about MAX from people who now wanted to get into it, after >reading AE used it too..... > >Yours, >Kas. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 23:29:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35363-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27633 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:29:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 27623 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:29:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:29:08 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Programmed DNA forms Fractal... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-D6151317AC7311D9BDEA000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Courtesy of the very smart folks (numberr) at the #dataflow channel: <http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2005/040605/ Programmed_DNA_forms_fractal_040605.html> or better yet: <http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-toc&issn=1545- 7885&volume=2&issue=12> <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 21:26:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35362-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68959 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:26:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 68949 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:26:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:26:01 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <BE830629.9C5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <BE830629.9C5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes fortean (sorry for the spellerzz) and other methods do keep music and power structures separate, i just personally find it a bit dull when that is the case. i think its more interesting when a wider framing of a piece is taken in consideration. > I think that, for the most part, musical theory ( I assume you meant > fortean > set theory ?) and power structures aren¹t related...maybe they¹ve gotten a > bit closer at times, but I think they¹re fairly distinct. > > > On 4/13/05 5:04 PM, "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> > wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for >>>> regimenting behavior? >> >> michael trommer; >>> I don't think this has anything to do with the music itself, but rather >>> with >>> its distribution and dissemination. >> >> perhaps, but after studying Fortian set theory or Schenkerian analysis, >> you realise you really need this stuff to make an analysis come close to >> meaning anything. analysing 'the music itself' (if that's entirely >> possible i'm not sure) leaves too much behind. (do you think?) >> >> >> http://www.altho.org >> arts community >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > http://www.altho.org arts community --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 21:18:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35361-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62039 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:18:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 62028 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:18:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:23:53 -0400 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE830629.9C5%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cz0sxeetuZ42UjGUu7Bbbg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_cz0sxeetuZ42UjGUu7Bbbg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think that, for the most part, musical theory ( I assume you meant fortean set theory ?) and power structures aren¹t related...maybe they¹ve gotten a bit closer at times, but I think they¹re fairly distinct. On 4/13/05 5:04 PM, "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > > > >>> - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for >>> regimenting behavior? > > michael trommer; >> I don't think this has anything to do with the music itself, but rather >> with >> its distribution and dissemination. > > perhaps, but after studying Fortian set theory or Schenkerian analysis, > you realise you really need this stuff to make an analysis come close to > meaning anything. analysing 'the music itself' (if that's entirely > possible i'm not sure) leaves too much behind. (do you think?) > > > http://www.altho.org > arts community > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_cz0sxeetuZ42UjGUu7Bbbg)-- From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 21:15:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35360-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59897 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:15:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 59879 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:15:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:15:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 13/04/05 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_kjBe34nxZxaPPHrmPCfASA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_kjBe34nxZxaPPHrmPCfASA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) ·Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM Miércoles/Wednesday 15h -www.circulobellasartes.com ·Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM Mie-Sab/Wed-Sat 16h -www.uam.es/ra ·Listen live real time -www.ondasonoraradio.com _________________________________ CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 13/04/05 01.THOMAS DIMUZIO Track: Never Steven Album: Slew Label: ReR Megacorp Compositor, multi-instrumentista y diseñador de sonidos electrónicos que lleva trabajando desde finales de los 80 con drones. Thomas Dimuzio reside desde hace unos años en la bahía de San Francisco, dedicándose a producir librerías de sonidos, trabajando con artistas como Negativland, Wobbly, Matmos o Fred Frith, entre muchos otros y creando piezas que han ido apareciendo en diferentes discos y compilaciones. "Slew", su lanzamiento más reciente a través del sello ReR, recoge todo este material aparecido anteriormente en ediciones de RRRecords, Tzadik o Alku, entre otros sellos Composer, multi-instrumentist and electronic sound designer working from the last 80s with drones. Thomas Dimuzio resides in the San Francisco Bay dedicated to produce sound libraries, working with artists such as Negativland, Wobbly, Matmos or Fred Frith, between others, and creating pieces for some records and compilations. "Slew", his most recent release in the ReR label, collects all this previous material from compilation releases of labels as RRRecords, Tzadik or Alku 02. BJ NILSEN Track: Live In La Petite Chapelle, Rues Basses Album: VA Spire Live at St. Pierre Cathedral Label: Touch Segunda referencia en las Spire series del sello británico Touch, dedicadas al órgano, que en esta ocasión documentan el festival La Batie, celebrado en la ciudad suiza de Ginebra el año pasado, en el entorno de su Catedral de San Pedro, punto crucial de la Reforma Protestante del siglo XVI. Allí se reunieron varias obras de compositores clásicos de órgano en el órgano principal de la catedral junto a las creaciones de varios artistas experimentales de la actualidad, como Philip Jeck, Fennesz o BJNilsen, artista sueco al que conocíamos por sus trabajos como Hazard y que hace poco publicaba, también en Touch, su último disco Second reference in Touch's Spire series, dedicated to the organ, in this occasion documenting La Batie festival, which took place last year in the Swiss city of Geneva, in the environment of its Saint Pierre's Cathedral, a crucial point in the XVI century during the Protestant Reform. Featuring several works of classic organ composers in the main Cathedral organ together with the creations of several experimental artists of the present: Philip Jeck, Fennesz or BJNilsen, a Swedish artist known for his works as Hazard who recently released, also in Touch, his last work 03. REC_OVERFLOW Track: Organico Album: Madrid Label: spa.RK Una muestra de "Madrid", el debut en largo del madrileño Rec_Overflow en el sello barcelonés spa.RK, música electrónica de nuestro tiempo que tendrá presentación en Madrid, el próximo viernes 29 de abril en el Museo de la Música Electrónica A sample from "Madrid", long format debut for Madrid artist Rec_Overflow, in the Barcelona label spa.RK, electronic music of our time that will have its presentation in Madrid, next Friday 29th of April in the Museo de la Musica Electronica 04. ULTRALYD Track: Beautor / Glottality Album: Chromosome Gun Label: Load Nueva formación de vanguardia procedente de Noruega, que utiliza instrumentos de las tradiciones rock y jazz (bajo, saxo, clarinete, guitarra eléctrica y batería) para crear experiencias sonoras enérgicas y desafinadas. Escucharemos mezcladas dos de estas siete composiciones publicadas desde los Estados Unidos por el sello Load Records con el nombre conjunto de "Chromosome Gun" New avant-garde formation coming from Norway, that use instruments from the rock and jazz traditions (bass, saxo, clarinet, electric guitar and drums) to create energetic and detuned sound experiences. A mix of two of these seven compositions published from the United States by Loud Records in a record entitled "Chromosome Gun" 05. GIUSEPPE IELASI Track: 2 Album: Gesini Label: Häpna Nuevo trabajo en solitario del italiano Giuseppe Ielasi, guitarrista y músico electrónico de vocación experimental al que conocemos no sólo por sus anteriores trabajos en solitario, sino también por sus colaboraciones con Dean Roberts y en contextos más cercanos a la improvisación. "Gesini" es el título de esta obra tranquila pero inquietante que edita el sello sueco Häpna New solo work by the Italian artist Giuseppe Ielasi, guitarist and electronic musician with an experimental vocation known not only for his previous works, but also for his collaborations with Dean Roberts and in contexts closer to improvisation. "Gesini" is the title of this calm but disturbing work released in the Swedish label Häpna 06. PITA Track: Like watching shit on a shelf Album: Get Off Label: Häpna Nos despedimos desde el sello sueco Häpna con uno de los cortes del álbum "Get Off" del alemán Peter Rehberg, Pita, que actúa en Madrid este viernes día 15 en el marco de la 3ª edición del ciclo Electrónica en Abril, que tendrá lugar este fin de semana en La Casa Encendida con las actuaciones de Pita, Team Shadetek y Cobra Killer, el viernes, Niobe, Jimmy Edgar y Christian Vogel, el sábado y Murcof, Thomas Fehlmann y Paul Kalkbrenner, el domingo. Te dejamos con una muestra del 4º álbum de Peter Rehberg, uno de los directores del sello austríaco Mego We finish in the Swedish label Häpna with one of the tracks of the "Get Off" album by the German artist Peter Rehberg, Pita, who will perform in Madrid this Friday 15th of April in the context of the 3rd edition of the cycle Electronica en Abril, that will take place this weekend in La Casa Encendida with the performances of Pita himself, Team Shadetek and Cobra Killer (on Friday), Niobe, Jimmy Edgar and Christian Vogel (on Saturday) and Murcof, Thomas Fehlmann and Paul Kalkbrenner (on Sunday). We leave you with a sample from the 4th album by Peter Rehberg, one of the managers of the Austrian label Mego ______ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. 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Wed Apr 13 21:04:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35359-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54218 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:04:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 54203 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:04:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:04:48 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <BE8300C7.9C0%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <BE8300C7.9C0%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for >> regimenting behavior? michael trommer; > I don't think this has anything to do with the music itself, but rather > with > its distribution and dissemination. perhaps, but after studying Fortian set theory or Schenkerian analysis, you realise you really need this stuff to make an analysis come close to meaning anything. analysing 'the music itself' (if that's entirely possible i'm not sure) leaves too much behind. 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Wed Apr 13 20:55:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35358-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49812 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:55:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 49802 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:55:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:00:55 -0400 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE8300C7.9C0%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 4/13/05 1:12 PM, "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for > regimenting behavior? 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Wed Apr 13 20:25:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35357-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33853 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:24:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 33843 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:24:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:24:49 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] article In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rNIZRBOy9jKdnoO+qiRfuA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rNIZRBOy9jKdnoO+qiRfuA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've got to get darren to write my press releases! > I stumbled across this article which is from a while ago but here is > the link anyway: > http://www.ei-mag.com/archive-cascone.php > they have a new issue about to come out btw... > KIM bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick On Apr 13, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: --Boundary_(ID_rNIZRBOy9jKdnoO+qiRfuA)-- From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 20:15:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35356-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28770 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:15:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 28760 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:15:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:17:42 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] article To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From the article: "Cascone and other microsound artists have made academia sexy again. " Is this true Kim? ;) Interesting that even as you talk about music without the need for spectacle, journalists seem necessary to talk about it in a spectacular way, using descriptions straight out of Rolling Stone. ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 04/13/05 03:00PM >>> I stumbled across this article which is from a while ago but here is the link anyway: http://www.ei-mag.com/archive-cascone.php they have a new issue about to come out btw... 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Wed Apr 13 20:09:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35355-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25169 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:09:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 25158 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:09:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:09:38 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] article In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Lizr0p+R4a7GUNB7kEaSFw9lmOyhBglS7xM1AhVPj5iNfWwpm23HKyEi42o4/3gN5m2mUh0RBwYiQaI8HYBo8PWkbC4E62EyFjtBuBqOhtGk+1BfrIHaOTrsL4ep+nxLaVS0d3kAez0HrGD7bMfzYfkWYq/Yl7c/xYpHfJzI2qg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 4/13/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.ei-mag.com/archive-cascone.php "Cascone alters the sonic language, producing an extraordinarily detailed nanomusic that brings back memories of '60s lab-rats cackling with glee as they fired up their first electrically-engorged modules." hmm ... i *guess* that's a compliment [but usually saying your music sounds like rats made it is not so positive ...] -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 20:01:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35354-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17690 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:00:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 17680 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:00:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:00:52 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] article To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I stumbled across this article which is from a while ago but here is the link anyway: http://www.ei-mag.com/archive-cascone.php they have a new issue about to come out btw... KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 19:30:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35353-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2138 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:30:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 2128 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:30:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:30:21 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 4:15 PM, David Powers wrote: > Yes, but sometimes certain mathematical processes create aesthetically > interesting sounds. There are plenty of serial pieces that sound good > to my ears, and I don't have to be aware of the math, as a listener. > However, the math does matter in a sense, if the composer did not use > that mathematical process, the piece wouldn't sound that way, and thus > I > as a listener would never have the pleasure of experiencing that > particular sound. The math does not JUSTIFY the piece as being > aesthetically pleasing, but it is a necessary moment in creating that > piece. That's a tough one... I think that, in the right context, math /could/ enhance the aesthetic value of a piece (phrases like 'aesthetic value' and 'aesthetically pleasing' are loaded, and difficult to get a handle on, but lets pretend for the moment they're not...). It's not a particularly foreign idea that extra-musical meaning can enhance, alter, or even fundamentally make up the experience of music. Historically, one can think of programmatic works of music that are heavily dependent on, for example, a text, story, painting, etc. Good knowledge of this text/story/painting/etc. is going to change our aesthetic engagement with the work, potentially at a very deep level. Can we consider, for example, a Xenakis piece somehow programmatic, insofar as it might be about some kind of mathematical expression or process? Will a good grasp of the mathematics in use, at an intuitive level, enhance/change out experience of the piece? This certainly seemed to be the case with some serial music... the aesthetic value didn't lie in the sounds produced, or the notes, but somewhere in between these and the system being used to produce them. I'm sure plenty of serialist composers had plenty of powerful experiences with other serial works (even if they sounded like shit to the layperson). I'm certainly not advocating any kind of /reliance/ on extra-musical meaning to justify or complete the piece, but it happens all the time, and is probably, in some sense, unavoidable. Am I making sense? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 18:46:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35352-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72622 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:46:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 72611 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:46:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:46:40 +0100 From: Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim Cascone wrote: > - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for > regimenting behavior? > > - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create > alternative musical narratives and different codes? > > > I would love to see a microsound TWiki text project develop around these > two questions...any takers? I'd be well up for it - I think my disseration is going to have to cover some of that ground anyway, so I'll try and post stuff up as I explore the territory... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 18:11:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35351-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56237 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:11:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 56227 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:11:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:11:46 -0500 From: Sergio Luque <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Coin Sampler To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hobbes.hostingwired.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sergioluque.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.varal.org/media/coinsampler/index.html From the website: "The Coin Sampler is a simple audio sampler that I came up with. It has 4 infra-red sensors and 4 infra-red LEDs. When something reflective goes by each LED/sensor combo a signal is sent for the computer to play a sample." Check out the videos! -- Sergio http://www.sergioluque.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 17:48:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35350-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42163 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:47:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 42153 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:47:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:47:50 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] thinking about your post In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DOcZ+jiUNZV/HHKNgrwCLg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_DOcZ+jiUNZV/HHKNgrwCLg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ouch! On Apr 13, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> boy, sometimes i wish people would just stop thinking >> so much... > hmmm...be careful what you wish for! we got Bush didn't we? ;) bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Boundary_(ID_DOcZ+jiUNZV/HHKNgrwCLg)-- From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 17:30:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35349-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32730 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:30:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 32719 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:30:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:40:10 -0400 From: Ben <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mold vs memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_n7o9JCFbSnnCNrdkPrE9KQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - secure.wehostusa.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - seasonalbk.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_n7o9JCFbSnnCNrdkPrE9KQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit humans On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> What is the >> relationship between digital music and the natural world? > mathematics > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > www.seasonalbk.net --Boundary_(ID_n7o9JCFbSnnCNrdkPrE9KQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 17:22:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35348-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28985 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:22:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 28975 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:22:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:22:37 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] got al jabr? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I think the case that needs to be proved > is that mathematics is somehow relevant to the aural experience and the > perception of music, form, structure, etc. this reminds me of a cartoon from old issue of the New Yorker magazine: a line drawing of a very poorly built house is shown with different lengths of wood beams, no correct angles, nothing fitting properly, a complete shambles and the caption to the cartoon reads: "a world without algebra" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 17:18:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35347-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26777 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:18:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 26767 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:18:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:18:34 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] two very important questions In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx absolutely, in a month or so when i've finished this degree. > - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for > regimenting behavior? > > - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create > alternative musical narratives and different codes? > > > I would love to see a microsound TWiki text project develop around > these two questions...any takers? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > http://www.altho.org arts community --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 17:12:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35346-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24134 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:12:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 24124 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:12:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:12:52 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] two very important questions To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx - How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for regimenting behavior? - Can we sample/alter those recordings to create alternative musical narratives and different codes? I would love to see a microsound TWiki text project develop around these two questions...any takers? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 17:09:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35345-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22173 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:09:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 22151 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:09:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:09:42 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] mold vs memorex To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > What is the > relationship between digital music and the natural world? mathematics --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 16:55:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35344-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11407 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:55:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 11397 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:55:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:55:41 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] thinking about your post To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > boy, sometimes i wish people would just stop thinking > so much... hmmm...be careful what you wish for! we got Bush didn't we? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 16:47:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35343-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7384 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:47:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 7371 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:47:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:45:20 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004701c54048$33666a20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx From: Mr.D > The comments about programs like Live and Reason can be > pessimistically accurate considering that one reason people buy it is > because they know so-and-so uses it, and they already want to be > pigeonholed before they even start up the application. And you are saying that the same phenomenon does not affect the PD/ SC/ MAX/ Csound/ etc crowd? By the comments on this list I would asume the people using those identify with their program of choice much more then Live users do. After the most recent Sound on Sound article on Autechre I saw a lot of posts on boards about MAX from people who now wanted to get into it, after reading AE used it too..... Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 16:18:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35342-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95766 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:18:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 95755 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:18:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:18:38 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be82f5aef7d0@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >We are constantly affronted by GUIs and mechanisms which help us work, -Tell that to the Max-people, they'll love to hear that! >A lot of options don't allow for flexibility and adaptation, and push >the user into one mode of working and one way of thinking about >problems. -Data tunnel vision? >The comments about programs like Live and Reason can be >pessimistically accurate considering that one reason people buy it is >because they know so-and-so uses it, and they already want to be >pigeonholed before they even start up the application. -Lobotomy development scheme? 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Wed Apr 13 16:07:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35341-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90827 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:07:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 90815 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:07:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:07:09 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] ubuntu linux usability issues In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pONe545uGOiHN69059wyx1cKt+5e0eM1BFt8KVxKPtQq3qhD5IBmZlPLWyIc2KjZSGV0TSD4EgI3DwcVvHtB+sOPSu4hkD4X3mEX/fg39QhHTKtjsvgvwVwsW6ApYjUAOlaPBjKlH+NBDYqrCawz5AnbE3u2IIF+Qq+u93p3SJ0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx most of these usability issues reveal a lack of consciousness of the fact that the different software components of a linux desktop are managed by different groups and not by the ubuntu team. but it's a very interesting read! i just upgraded to hoary and after spending a few hours fixing my sound its running great. mark shuttleworth is like the opensource buckaroo banzai. (or maybe the bizarro richard branson?) -jake On 4/13/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > interesting blog on first impressions of the new Ubuntu 5.0.4 (Hoary) > release > http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 16:07:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35340-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89892 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:07:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 89875 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:07:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:07:09 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] ubuntu linux usability issues In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G33QmZgG7Sxyeyrsj5WTjS96nnec64CIaGPpRTDHT2JQk9KOrCWMbGTFyD1CAo4eLWm7C8V1LMQ0cHwT8tGbq6WIT21QuXh3BLU8reACDRu3aqw/vmR7xMb14zrbKEVg5+QkPKqFP1SpSEdzs71D3XZoWCvVRnplBJJ+tod9yww= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx most of these usability issues reveal a lack of consciousness of the fact that the different software components of a linux desktop are managed by different groups and not by the ubuntu team. but it's a very interesting read! i just upgraded to hoary and after spending a few hours fixing my sound its running great. mark shuttleworth is like the opensource buckaroo banzai. (or maybe the bizarro richard branson?) -jake On 4/13/05, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > interesting blog on first impressions of the new Ubuntu 5.0.4 (Hoary) > release > http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 16:03:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35339-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86064 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:03:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:03:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:03:17 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ah, thanks for the clarification David, I do have something to add about interfaces... >> To what extent are individuals controlled by interfaces and norms >> embedded within technologies? I'm afraid you're right about reverse control, and I see it in the community as well. Is it because: - people are basically lazy and don't want to think hard about it? - people just want to sound like other artists, and commandeer the tools? - technology has become so pervasive that it's taken for granted? - we don't want to work the way we want to because we're afraid to work outside the fitted UI, because there's a fear that we'll break the computer? there are probably many more questions like these. We are constantly affronted by GUIs and mechanisms which help us work, I am totally controlled by my interface at work (I am a unix sysadmin). But I customize my interface to a high degree, and use open source software which makes it easy to do that. A lot of options don't allow for flexibility and adaptation, and push the user into one mode of working and one way of thinking about problems. Many musicians build their own sound sources, and computer musicians build their own interfaces for sound, but I don't think this is widespread. The comments about programs like Live and Reason can be pessimistically accurate considering that one reason people buy it is because they know so-and-so uses it, and they already want to be pigeonholed before they even start up the application. Companies like Microsoft try and program their user base by first creating a paradigm that is easy to work in, and then locking them into that by not allowing compatibility or extendibility with other products or services. The inbred nature of how M$ products have evolved and stifled the way business works is a prime example of the interface taking over to become a social virus. Every software company, despite good intentions and programming practices, has to make concessions for Microsoft products, because the compatibility won't work the other way around, and are similarly bound. matt On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:13 AM, David Powers wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Good answers, but I think you miss what I was getting at... I meant to > pose these questions in collective/cultural terms, not individual ones. > For example, the Chernobyl accident is a little different than the > musical accident. Furthermore, while you as an individual may not > experience it, I'm sure that computer interfaces do exert a control on > the general population - I see it at work in the university every day. > This is not just a mental or individual question, but really has > political and social implications. > > ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 15:21:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35338-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71772 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:21:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 71754 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:21:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:23:51 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have to take issue with this slightly - are these pieces really only conceptual, or have the conceptual artists who followed decided to interpret them in that way in order to validate their practices? My understanding of 4'33" is that Cage was trying to draw awareness to the REAL SOUNDS occurring in the auditorium during that time frame, and not just present a concept. I won't speak to Duchamp's fountain, except to say that I'm sure it also could be interpreted as something more than just a conceptual exercise. I think Cage, in particular, is given a very problematic interpretation by the conceptual art crowd, who seem to miss the fact that he was a great composer, who always kept trying new things, and who wrote a lot of music that really did work AS MUSIC (not just concept). He has a conceptual side, sure, but there's much more to him. ~David >>> xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx 04/13/05 05:05AM >>> I mean can you imagine someone saying, yeah the music is really nothing but the theory behind it is the lick. I mean thats what 4:33 seconds was all about, and even Duchamp's fountain. They were both attempts at eradicating the cult of the thing, in favour of the cult of the idea....a truly bourgeois move. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 15:16:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35337-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69798 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:16:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 69787 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:16:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:16:48 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] also just released: A/DeMuDi To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/users/2005-April/005451.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 15:10:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35336-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66929 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:10:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 66917 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:10:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:13:16 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Matt, Good answers, but I think you miss what I was getting at... I meant to pose these questions in collective/cultural terms, not individual ones. For example, the Chernobyl accident is a little different than the musical accident. Furthermore, while you as an individual may not experience it, I'm sure that computer interfaces do exert a control on the general population - I see it at work in the university every day. This is not just a mental or individual question, but really has political and social implications. ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx 04/12/05 09:05PM >>> ....... Original Message ....... On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:00:16 -0500 "David Powers" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >What is music vs. noise? Apples and oranges. ;) I believe noise is that which opposes signal. Music as a thing which exists in time may or may not contain noise. If i choose to, the noise of the AC and chattering voices on this crowded train combine as music to my ear. The juxtaposition of noise and musical sound might be the best indicators of Free Will there is! >What does the "accident" mean? This term has never resonated with me, i think because i have a musical upbringing which never considered any sound as accidental. Every sound is its own, regardless of how it is made. The better question might be whether unintentional sound is considered music. It hardly makes any difference in the end, but i think the link to Cage's ideas about non-intention (or the removal of control) is important. The liberation of sound has already happened. I am looking forward to the liberation of culture, where people have opened their ears to new ways of listening. I am still searching for ways to help this happen. >To what extent are individuals controlled by interfaces and norms embedded within technologies? Only to the extent that they recognize it. Creative minds work WITH limitations instead of against them, and often the supposed "control" is the point of inspiration. I dont see computers being much different from any other music technology, digital or no. If artists are controlled by their interface, i think they may be under-utilizing it, or are oblivious to the possibilities. matt ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 15:09:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35335-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65800 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:09:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 65790 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:09:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:09:22 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] ubuntu linux usability issues To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx interesting blog on first impressions of the new Ubuntu 5.0.4 (Hoary) release http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 13:49:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35334-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34537 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:49:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 34526 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:49:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:48:55 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [OT] Fingerprint Maze To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Organization: groovylab MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - liberty.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovylab.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Fingerprint Maze: takes a scan of your own fingerprint and turns it into a 3-D maze you can navigate: http://www.david-lu.net/v4/work/fingerprint/ ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://groovylab.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 10:23:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35333-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80269 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:23:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 80258 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:23:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:20:57 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and dance music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002201c54012$89187e80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx derek holzer; > I find this "musical wallpaper" attitude > to be most associated with pop and club music, where the sound is meant > as a kind of background environment, and often doesn't really reward a > deeper listening. Persoanlly I always saw club music more like some commodity then like wall-paper. By that I mean the music is actively used, will be "used up" after a while and the function is more important then then it´s value as a independant work of art. I feel it´s quite clear that it´s users are not relating to it like they relate to wallpaper; some tracks get loud reactions at some moments, there are not many crowds that break out in spontanious cheering over wallpaper.... For pop music, say a radio playing in the corner of a workplace, you are quite right and of cource many dance traks could be played on that station and in that way become wallpaper too, but the same might hold true for the occasional clasical piece or the news and weather. Looking at it this way, as "functional music" I think it´s much harder to look down upon it. Sure Panacea doesn´t reward close listening as much as M² does and I wouldn´t call Porter Ricks as "beautifull" as Thomas Koner, but they do *work* well on dancefloors. The makers should perhaps be looked uppon more as artisans then as artists, but the good ones should still be respected, I think. On a more personal, related note, I found that dance music´s emphasis on function makes it a great trojan horse to sneak in some meaningfull (to me) sounds in a context where they can get to the listener before the listener is actively analysing. Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 10:05:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35332-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72532 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:05:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 72521 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:05:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:05:41 +0100 (BST) From: morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PJdec8uJu6uMtN3JBRcO4g)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_PJdec8uJu6uMtN3JBRcO4g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think i will say one final thing on the subject and then leave it at that. To the person who took issue with me over my autechre, and matthew barney examples, you have a valid point, but have really totally missed what i was trying to say. Yes matthew barney will talk about how his films are made IF ASKED, but when talking about the cremaster cycle the predominant discourse centres around the meaning of the work. Cremaster is not about film stock, or digital imaging technology, or the type of lenses made to capture the images. And as far as Autechre go, its the same thing, they will talk about gear IF ASKED, but that is not what their work is about. If you don't believe me check their 1997 interview in the wire. I am sure you will probably want to site their sound on sound interview, but that is a magazine designated to process not aesthetics. The thing is, alot of disciplines talk about process, but not to the degree that electronic music does. I often find that talk of process is used to justify work that is not really much of anything at all. I think it was Michael Craig martin (am probably wrong) who placed a plastic cup filled with water and put it into a gallery, identifying it as a tree. The substance of that work was practically non existant, but the concept behind the art was pretty hefty, i mean there was no point in staring at the cup because it was obviously not a tree. The art was the concept. I feel that this sort of thing can pass in a discipline like fine art, which since the idea of conceptual art emerged in the 60's, has been increasingly about theory and language and blah blah blah, but i feel that using a wedge of theory to justify a piece of music may eventually run the risk of invalidating aesthetic considerations in music, in favour of esoteric theory. I mean can you imagine someone saying, yeah the music is really nothing but the theory behind it is the lick. I mean thats what 4:33 seconds was all about, and even Duchamp's fountain. They were both attempts at eradicating the cult of the thing, in favour of the cult of the idea....a truly bourgeois move. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_PJdec8uJu6uMtN3JBRcO4g)-- From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 06:53:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35331-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23492 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:53:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 23482 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:53:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:53:36 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Oblique Strategies for iPod Notes To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I created a version of the deck for iPod Notes containing most of the cards from the first four editions, and thought the list might be interested. http://www.kponto.com/os.zip Cheers, k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 02:06:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35330-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52770 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:06:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 52758 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:06:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:05:57 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <624-SnapperMsgF4585520BE822F12@[68.26.153.155]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ....... Original Message ....... On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:00:16 -0500 "David Powers" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >What is music vs. noise? Apples and oranges. ;) I believe noise is that which opposes signal. Music as a thing which exists in time may or may not contain noise. If i choose to, the noise of the AC and chattering voices on this crowded train combine as music to my ear. The juxtaposition of noise and musical sound might be the best indicators of Free Will there is! >What does the "accident" mean? This term has never resonated with me, i think because i have a musical upbringing which never considered any sound as accidental. Every sound is its own, regardless of how it is made. The better question might be whether unintentional sound is considered music. It hardly makes any difference in the end, but i think the link to Cage's ideas about non-intention (or the removal of control) is important. The liberation of sound has already happened. I am looking forward to the liberation of culture, where people have opened their ears to new ways of listening. I am still searching for ways to help this happen. >To what extent are individuals controlled by interfaces and norms embedded within technologies? Only to the extent that they recognize it. Creative minds work WITH limitations instead of against them, and often the supposed "control" is the point of inspiration. I dont see computers being much different from any other music technology, digital or no. If artists are controlled by their interface, i think they may be under-utilizing it, or are oblivious to the possibilities. matt ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 13 00:32:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35329-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20712 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:31:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 20699 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:31:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:36:55 +0100 From: Thanos Chrysakis <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE822837.6F17%xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 4/13/05 12:02 AM, ian stewart at xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > In the discussion of math/music, the esthesic/poietic division seems > crucial- after all, where is the math? The math may be important to the > composer or producer, but does it matter to the listener? That is, do we > hear math? I remember reading, ages ago and I have no idea where, a critique > of serialism based on studies of aural perception. The point was that we > don't hear by counting. And if you make a piece with Galois cohomology or > pseudo-Riemannian manifolds, what of this will come across in the sound? Do > people think that this will encode some deep structure in the music that > will be communicated as musical structure in the listening experience? > That's certainly not self-evident- I think the case that needs to be proved > is that mathematics is somehow relevant to the aural experience and the > perception of music, form, structure, etc. Obviously there's math floating > around, because sound obeys physical laws, but that doesn't mean that math > can tell us anything deep or profound about music and why we find it > interesting enough to spend half our lives doing it and talking about it. Actually, this problematic goes back to Plato, Pythagoras and Aristoxenos . Aristoxenos was saying that the notes of a scale should be judged not as Pythagoreans held my mathematical ratio (and Plato was influenced by Pythagoras's views on Music) but by the ear. There is actually an experiential- phenomenological perspective and a mathematico-logical one and these do not have to be opposed. Actually, they complement each other. In other words... there is the world of physical phenomena eg: sounds, colours, weather, etc and the noumenal world of numbers, symbols, imagination, ideas. If we talk in terms of sound as an acoustical phenomenon then the relation to maths and science is evident. That means that if you want to come in terms, to understand a physical phenomenon e.g sound, light,... whatever... maths-physics-science are the fields that create the appropriate functions and ideas on such phenomena. Now, creating music we deal with the physical properties of sounds but of course we don't stay there. That's why ex-pression (please take it in a broad sense) is not only physical. Maths and science are related with the Arts through the prism that they give us insights on physical phenomena that means the material that we use to make Music&Art. Every physical phenomenon when it is perceived (even in a subliminal way) by a person is not only physical anymore it takes a qualitative turn. We do not perceive+sense (see aesthetics::aestheseis) through maths. But maths give us a deeper understanding and an insight on physical phenomena on our material. (But who was said actually, that the deeper part of our body is our skin?) It is our responsibility as musicians if we can bring forth the immaterial aspects of our materials - sounds with maths or not. Best, Thanos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 23:41:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35328-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1021 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:41:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 1010 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:41:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:41:42 +0000 From: ian stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2005 23:41:42.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E513220:01C53FB9] David Powers wrote: --> Well, "GLITCH" for example, to me at least, really does highlight aesthetic issues rather than just illustrate mathematical concepts. <-- Yes, and I think it's true in many other aesthetics of sonic art/digital music, where sounds suggest external ideas, things, metaphors, symbols, etc. Semiotics or poetics seem more relevant angles than mathematical analysis in anything from glitch to Trevor Wishart to field recording. David Powers wrote: --> Yes, but sometimes certain mathematical processes create aesthetically interesting sounds. There are plenty of serial pieces that sound good to my ears, and I don't have to be aware of the math, as a listener. <-- I think we agree- as I said, math can certainly be important to the creator of music, and hence important at the poietic level. And there's music out there that I think is fantastic which was made with mathematical or pseudo-mathematical ideas- serial, stochastic, etc. But I was wondering whether it's a fundamental aspect of listening and reception, even on an unconscious level... all the best, Ian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 23:13:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35327-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88537 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:13:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 88527 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:13:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:15:57 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, but sometimes certain mathematical processes create aesthetically interesting sounds. There are plenty of serial pieces that sound good to my ears, and I don't have to be aware of the math, as a listener. However, the math does matter in a sense, if the composer did not use that mathematical process, the piece wouldn't sound that way, and thus I as a listener would never have the pleasure of experiencing that particular sound. The math does not JUSTIFY the piece as being aesthetically pleasing, but it is a necessary moment in creating that piece. Math and science (or, on the other hand, absurd and laborious chance games) can be very useful in constructing unique or interesting sonic events. The listener doesn't have to understand the math to enjoy the particular sonic experience that the sound event provides. These techniques are useful insofar as they allow composers to create differentiated sonic material that has aesthetic interest as sound. ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx 04/12/05 06:02PM >>> In the discussion of math/music, the esthesic/poietic division seems crucial- after all, where is the math? The math may be important to the composer or producer, but does it matter to the listener? That is, do we hear math? I remember reading, ages ago and I have no idea where, a critique of serialism based on studies of aural perception. The point was that we don't hear by counting. And if you make a piece with Galois cohomology or pseudo-Riemannian manifolds, what of this will come across in the sound? Do people think that this will encode some deep structure in the music that will be communicated as musical structure in the listening experience? That's certainly not self-evident- I think the case that needs to be proved is that mathematics is somehow relevant to the aural experience and the perception of music, form, structure, etc. Obviously there's math floating around, because sound obeys physical laws, but that doesn't mean that math can tell us anything deep or profound about music and why we find it interesting enough to spend half our lives doing it and talking about it. all the best, Ian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 23:02:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35326-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81811 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:02:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 81717 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:02:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:02:22 +0000 From: ian stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2005 23:02:22.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF6B2E20:01C53FB3] The poietic/neutral/esthesic tripartition is actually due to Molino, who formulated it in the general context of symbolic exchange. Nattiez adapted it to music. Peter Price wrote: -->In other words it is pointless to argue if "meaning" is "constructed" at the point of production or reception...the answer is of course both and everywhere in between... <-- I think for Nattiez, the tripartite division implies that there are three different aspects of a musical work that are legitimate and separate areas for analysis- the composer's methods of production, a listener's reception, and the 'neutral' object in itself (the 'trace'). Nattiez gets more interesting with it- further subdividing this into, e.g. extrinsic and intrinsic analyses (if I remember the terminology correctly)- intrinsic analysis draws conclusions from the music itself (e.g. in a poietic analysis: there are tone rows, hence the composer was using serialist methods); extrinsic analysis draws on factors external to the music (e.g. the composer wrote in her diary that she was using stochastic processes, hence...). I think Nattiez's book 'Music and Discourse' is the best-known exposition of this. In the discussion of math/music, the esthesic/poietic division seems crucial- after all, where is the math? The math may be important to the composer or producer, but does it matter to the listener? That is, do we hear math? I remember reading, ages ago and I have no idea where, a critique of serialism based on studies of aural perception. The point was that we don't hear by counting. And if you make a piece with Galois cohomology or pseudo-Riemannian manifolds, what of this will come across in the sound? Do people think that this will encode some deep structure in the music that will be communicated as musical structure in the listening experience? That's certainly not self-evident- I think the case that needs to be proved is that mathematics is somehow relevant to the aural experience and the perception of music, form, structure, etc. Obviously there's math floating around, because sound obeys physical laws, but that doesn't mean that math can tell us anything deep or profound about music and why we find it interesting enough to spend half our lives doing it and talking about it. all the best, Ian ----> Peter Price wrote: In his "Semiology of Music," Nattiez proposes a semiology of music as the investigation of the "total musical fact." He spells out a 3 part structure: 1) The "poietic process" or questions around the intention of the producer 2) The "trace" or the musical object in its material form (score, cd, mp3, air pressure) 3) The "esthetic process" or questions around the reception of the object by a listener. any of these by itself could constitute an interesting "heuristic discourse," but remains only part of the picture. In other words it is pointless to argue if "meaning" is "constructed" at the point of production or reception...the answer is of course both and everywhere in between... does this seem reasonable? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 22:57:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35325-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77397 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:57:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 77387 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:57:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:00:16 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, "GLITCH" for example, to me at least, really does highlight aesthetic issues rather than just illustrate mathematical concepts. This is so, whether or not the composers in this style choose to speak about it. I think some of the concepts embedded in this music might include: What is music vs. noise (already an old 20th century idea)? What does the "accident" (think Y2K, Chernobyl, power grid failures, plane crashes) mean, especially in 21st century society, as our existence is totally mediated by technology? Who controls our technology, and authorizes what uses should be made of it? To what extent are individuals controlled by interfaces and norms embedded within technologies? How is technology related to power and control, both over nature and over other humans? What are the consequences of the digital drive for perfect reproduction (Baudrillard's hyperreality)? Can digital technologies resemble "nature" and natural processes if we push them beyond their intended, controlled uses? What is the relationship between digital music and the natural world? (I think of mold growing on a CD) How do musical recordings function as markers of power and codes for regimenting behavior, and can we sample/alter those recordings to create alternative musical narratives and different codes? Just some random possibilities here... ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx 04/12/05 05:18PM >>> I certainly think that aesthetics are grossly overlooked in electronic music. When we talk of a piece of music, the technology, the process, or the idea always take precedence over the aesthetics. Sometimes aesthetics aren't addressed at all because the composer chooses to focus entirely upon process or concept. That said, I don't think that we can speak of aesthetics without also discussing the 'scientific' aspects (process, structure, technology) behind the composition, particularly with electronic music, which is by its very definition a hybrid of science and art. I would be more interested in a discussion on the aesthetics of electronic music. why are aesthetics seldom discussed? do aesthetic principles exist for electronic music? if so, what are they? -tyler --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 22:36:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35324-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69211 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 69201 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:39:21 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I might have to investigate this book - this is a very reasonable way of describing some of the processes at work in musical creation. I think it is quite reasonable to include "PROCESS" as an important component in musical creation, but I think the real question is - which process? I would posit that there are MANY processes... Life itself is process, or becoming rather than being. Consider this, if you use a computer to create music - what about the capitalist process of production hidden in your tool, the process of the people that worked in a factory in Mexico or elsewhere to assemble your PC. As I understand it, everything is interconnected, every process connects to another process. Is that process in the factory less important than the coding of software and the virtual interface design? Is it also a part of the art and the performance? Ultimately, no artwork can reveal all the processes embedded in it, because the number of processes are potentially infinite. Furthermore, I think the improvised vs. "finished product" dichotomy is misleading. Just because a work is written down does not mean process cannot be revealed or realized - one can easily improvise around a sheet of written music. Or one can record/transcribe an improvisation and turn it into a "finished product". One can extract fixed elements from the ongoing process of the improvisation. There are always both fixed and fluid elements within art. To me, Mahler's "Song of the Earth" might reveal more process, especially in its exploration of time in the last movement, than an improvisation that keeps repeating fixed elements over and over. And likewise, musical instruments themselves, whether saxophones or software packages, might be equally considered to be fixed compositional element, though also the result of processes. From a certain point of view, which I associate with Deleuze and Guattari especially, couldn't we say that EVERYTHING is a process, or at least is caught within a process that changes its identity? All the singularities in the multi-verse are caught up in processes of becoming... This isn't to say that art shouldn't focus on process, I just feel many people are using an imprecise terminology to explain exactly what it is they are trying to explore aesthetically in their works. ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 04/12/05 05:01PM >>> In his "Semiology of Music," Nattiez proposes a semiology of music as the investigation of the "total musical fact." He spells out a 3 part structure: 1) The "poietic process" or questions around the intention of the producer 2) The "trace" or the musical object in its material form (score, cd, mp3, air pressure) 3) The "esthetic process" or questions around the reception of the object by a listener. any of these by itself could constitute an interesting "heuristic discourse," but remains only part of the picture. In other words it is pointless to argue if "meaning" is "constructed" at the point of production or reception...the answer is of course both and everywhere in between... does this seem reasonable? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 22:19:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35322-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61815 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:19:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 61804 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:19:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:19:42 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i would say that sounds very reasonable. have to check that one out some time. cheers. > In his "Semiology of Music," Nattiez proposes a semiology of music as > the investigation of the "total musical fact." > > He spells out a 3 part structure: > > 1) The "poietic process" or questions around the intention of the > producer > > 2) The "trace" or the musical object in its material form (score, cd, > mp3, air pressure) > > 3) The "esthetic process" or questions around the reception of the > object by a listener. > > any of these by itself could constitute an interesting "heuristic > discourse," but remains only part of the picture. > > In other words it is pointless to argue if "meaning" is "constructed" > at the point of production or reception...the answer is of course both > and everywhere in between... > > > does this seem reasonable? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > http://www.altho.org arts community --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 22:28:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35323-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65689 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:28:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 65679 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:28:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:18:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tyler Adams <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I certainly think that aesthetics are grossly overlooked in electronic music. When we talk of a piece of music, the technology, the process, or the idea always take precedence over the aesthetics. Sometimes aesthetics aren't addressed at all because the composer chooses to focus entirely upon process or concept. That said, I don’t think that we can speak of aesthetics without also discussing the 'scientific' aspects (process, structure, technology) behind the composition, particularly with electronic music, which is by its very definition a hybrid of science and art. I would be more interested in a discussion on the aesthetics of electronic music. why are aesthetics seldom discussed? do aesthetic principles exist for electronic music? if so, what are they? -tyler --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 22:01:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35321-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52378 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 52366 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:01:27 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 5:40 PM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: > exposing the process doesn't have to mean that you are trying to > highlight > or fix meaning as such, something that is constructed subjectively at > the > point of reception (if your into foucault and barthes) and that you > have > little control over as an artist, but rather that you are exposing more > material for interpretation, i would say, a more heuristic > discourse.... ok, i'll give you that one.... ;-) cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 22:01:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35320-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51457 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 51445 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:01:23 -0400 From: Peter Price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 5:40 PM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: > > bruce tovsky: >> i agree with the first part, but not the second. i find that the idea >> of >> "exposing the process" is a little like giving a lecture about what >> your art "means." a dangerous activity. > > exposing the process doesn't have to mean that you are trying to > highlight > or fix meaning as such, something that is constructed subjectively at > the > point of reception (if your into foucault and barthes) and that you > have > little control over as an artist, but rather that you are exposing more > material for interpretation, i would say, a more heuristic > discourse.... > > In his "Semiology of Music," Nattiez proposes a semiology of music as the investigation of the "total musical fact." He spells out a 3 part structure: 1) The "poietic process" or questions around the intention of the producer 2) The "trace" or the musical object in its material form (score, cd, mp3, air pressure) 3) The "esthetic process" or questions around the reception of the object by a listener. any of these by itself could constitute an interesting "heuristic discourse," but remains only part of the picture. In other words it is pointless to argue if "meaning" is "constructed" at the point of production or reception...the answer is of course both and everywhere in between... does this seem reasonable? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 21:40:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35319-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43351 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:40:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 43339 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:40:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:40:26 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > On Apr 12, 2005, at 5:07 PM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: >> as an improvising musician i find it impossible to sepparate the >> process >> from a piece as a piece is a performance and a performance a process on >> display. i may be being a bit romantic but i quite like the idea that >> by >> exposing the process or labor behind a piece exposses certain >> ideological >> connnections that every piece of art innevitably has. bruce tovsky: > i agree with the first part, but not the second. i find that the idea of > "exposing the process" is a little like giving a lecture about what > your art "means." a dangerous activity. exposing the process doesn't have to mean that you are trying to highlight or fix meaning as such, something that is constructed subjectively at the point of reception (if your into foucault and barthes) and that you have little control over as an artist, but rather that you are exposing more material for interpretation, i would say, a more heuristic discourse.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 21:24:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35318-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34913 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:24:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 34903 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:24:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:24:21 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 5:07 PM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: > as an improvising musician i find it impossible to sepparate the > process > from a piece as a piece is a performance and a performance a process on > display. i may be being a bit romantic but i quite like the idea that > by > exposing the process or labor behind a piece exposses certain > ideological > connnections that every piece of art innevitably has. i agree with the first part, but not the second. i find that the idea of "exposing the process" is a little like giving a lecture about what your art "means." a dangerous activity. > >> you do and then you have, whatever it is. inescapable >> timeline. > > particulary with imorovisation i find that you do and then its gone, > rather than you do and then you have. sure you have fragments left > over, > recordings and such, or preparded/found materials that you might have > taken along to a session but they only find a meaning in the act of > doing, > once the doing stops it's gone again. ah, see, i factor memory in here. physical objects are irrelevant. > > me: >>> intent was certainly the >>> key for cage and duchamp and that was interesting then for historical >>> and >>> political reasons but that was over 50 years ago. > > bruce: >> or 50 years ahead of its time? > > there are of course resonances with cage's work that are still > relevant to > much art today but its a bit boring witnessing a 'radical' avant garde > piece that covers that same old ground. even though i was making a little joke, i still think these ideas have a lot of relevancy. of course it's all about what you do with them, no? the thing i got from those ideas was to let go of the idea of "doing something new" and try and just do without thinking too much. as an improvisor (as i am) i'm sure you would agree with that. the archeology of ideas is a fascinating study. cheers b bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 21:07:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35317-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25792 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:07:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 25779 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:07:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:07:17 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx as an improvising musician i find it impossible to sepparate the process from a piece as a piece is a performance and a performance a process on display. i may be being a bit romantic but i quite like the idea that by exposing the process or labor behind a piece exposses certain ideological connnections that every piece of art innevitably has. >you do and then you have, whatever it is. inescapable > timeline. particulary with imorovisation i find that you do and then its gone, rather than you do and then you have. sure you have fragments left over, recordings and such, or preparded/found materials that you might have taken along to a session but they only find a meaning in the act of doing, once the doing stops it's gone again. me: >> intent was certainly the >> key for cage and duchamp and that was interesting then for historical >> and >> political reasons but that was over 50 years ago. bruce: > or 50 years ahead of its time? there are of course resonances with cage's work that are still relevant to much art today but its a bit boring witnessing a 'radical' avant garde piece that covers that same old ground. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 20:38:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35316-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10753 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:38:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 10738 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:38:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:38:38 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 3:52 PM, morgan quaintance wrote: > Someone referenced Xenakis, saying that they could not appreciate his > music without visualising the mathematical prcesses behind it. well, i love xenakis' works, both electroacoustic and symphonic, and could care less about the math behind them. i still vividly recall seeing xenakis present BOHOR at indiana university (where he was composer-in-residence) back in 1971. a riveting performance, which consisted of xenakis walking out onto a bare stage to a multitrack tape machine, threading it, hitting play, and then sitting down on a folding metal chair. crossed his legs and occasionally beat time with his foot. (listen to BOHOR and you'll get the joke.) the sound, coming from a multitude of speakers arrayed around the hall, was amazing. boy, sometimes i wish people would just stop thinking so much... bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 20:18:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35315-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98574 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:18:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 98563 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:18:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:18:12 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 12:52 PM, morgan quaintance wrote: > This is a very important point, one that i feel i was trying to > insinuate in the beggining. I noticed alot of people were intimating > that their work could not be seperated from the process. Someone > referenced Xenakis, saying that they could not appreciate his music > without visualising the mathematical prcesses behind it. > > I would like to suggest that this is because Xenakis makes bad music. Now you've totally lost me. I don't know shit about the math behind what Xenakis was doing, and don't really care. I think I said before, it's the listener's choice whether she choses to analyze a work more deeply, and Xenakis is a bad example of a composer who puts process before product. Not to say it isn't done, but judging a composer's music by subjective opinion is entirely the wrong way to go. I may be totally into geeking out on that kind of stuff, but don't believe that's required to let the work stand on its own as a piece of art. Sometimes people need to find more than just the sound of a work interesting in order to become enveloped by the art, but that is their own outlook. Composers may think that the process is more important than product because THEY are in the process, NOT the product. That is, they have a hand in the creation of the art, so naturally the process is important to them; they are searching for something in their questions and methods, finding a key to the intuition or truth that may only come about by a realization of an end product. Of course this is completely different for improvising musicians, or people who interpret other composers' work... you get the picture. With music it's not so simple as making black-and-white choices to try and understand it; oftentimes the composer would have you do nothing but listen. > It always confounds me how idm talk so much about their materials, its > like they are afraid to admit that what they are attempting to do is > make art because then we can judge it as such. I mean when was the > last time you heard Matthew Barney going on about his film stock. Or > for that matter, when was the last time you heard Autechre going on > about the importance of their max patches in the appreciation of their > music. When is the last time you got into a discussion with Matt Barney or Sean Booth? How do you know they wouldn't go on about their sources and tools if you asked them to? The nature of the internet is that information is shared, and the internet is where left-field artists communicate and network. I see no problem with 'IDM' artists sharing their methods and materials, and am not going to judge them regardless. m --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 20:15:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35314-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95926 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:14:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 95914 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:14:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:14:20 -0400 From: Peter Price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vowToqdI7++Xclni6BlW+A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vowToqdI7++Xclni6BlW+A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > This is a very important point, one that i feel i was trying to > insinuate in the beggining. I noticed alot of people were intimating > that their work could not be seperated from the process. Someone > referenced Xenakis, saying that they could not appreciate his music > without visualising the mathematical prcesses behind it. > > I would like to suggest that this is because Xenakis makes bad music. I would suggest this is a comment of very limited value... > > It always confounds me how idm talk so much about their materials, its > like they are afraid to admit that what they are attempting to do is > make art because then we can judge it as such. I mean when was the > last time you heard Matthew Barney going on about his film stock. Or > for that matter, when was the last time you heard Autechre going on > about the importance of their max patches in the appreciation of their > music. > " The Cremaster Cycle was all shot on video, but the footage is transferred to 35mm film stock for projection. Cremaster 4 was shot on BETA SP, Cremaster 1 and 5 were shot on Digital BetaCam, Cremaster 2 was shot on HDTV, and Cremaster 3 was shot on 24P HDTV, a format that records video at 24 frames per second, the same speed that film is shot and projected." and Autechre on max patches and other tech stuff http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2453 --Boundary_(ID_vowToqdI7++Xclni6BlW+A)-- From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 20:02:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35313-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87518 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:02:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 87507 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:02:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:02:15 -0400 From: ndkent <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that >> clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like >> Destinys >> Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or >> whatever. You would think they would be against tools that make the >> job easy. Saying that, there must be reason why a lot of pop singles >> come with a cappellas. Maybe Sony are using ACID as a carrot to lead >> donkey bedroom musicians in a direction that benefits the record >> industry somehow? >> >> Hmmm.... actually, that's a bit far fetched... maybe? >> > this is a very interesting point and one worth discussing on the > list...I remember reading an essay somewhere recently about this very > conundrum, i.e. a publishing company manufacturing the software tools > for its own 'subversion' (I use that term loosely)...but then > capitalism does just this: 'produces the means to its own demise' A sort of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation comes with diversifying or not. They have hardware and produce content so it's impossible not to have this happen regularly For a company the size of Sony it's near impossible not to run into variations of this sort of thing on a regular basis. Of course it's all in the way they handle or not handle the situations once they come up. I'm sure ACID isn't some plot, it's simply an acquired company's product that sustains profitability. It's pretty clear that Sonic Foundry's video software Vegas was the jewel that got them to acquire the company. Vegas' ability to support their video camera products while running on Sony's PC hardware forms an integrated package (at least in the prosumer market). Sony also clearly aims their computer line to do prosumer multimedia creation (hence need for more or less creative audio tools) Worse I guess if a company buys apps and hardware to take them out of the competitive marketplace. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 19:52:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35312-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82389 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:52:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 82379 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:52:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:52:47 +0100 (BST) From: morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_L0uATJJa+K1v2qQcdvO0HQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_L0uATJJa+K1v2qQcdvO0HQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: On Apr 12, 2005, at 12:00 PM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: >well, i guess i feel that while innate, process should be immaterial >to the work. be it a painting or an improv sound piece (i do both) >i'd rather the viewer concentrate on the work. granted, analysis is >interesting (and fun) but ultimately (and idealistically) i hope the >viewer loses themselves in the work instead of getting caught up >in an analytical mindset. not that that ever happens, of course... ;-) This is a very important point, one that i feel i was trying to insinuate in the beggining. I noticed alot of people were intimating that their work could not be seperated from the process. Someone referenced Xenakis, saying that they could not appreciate his music without visualising the mathematical prcesses behind it. I would like to suggest that this is because Xenakis makes bad music. It always confounds me how idm talk so much about their materials, its like they are afraid to admit that what they are attempting to do is make art because then we can judge it as such. I mean when was the last time you heard Matthew Barney going on about his film stock. Or for that matter, when was the last time you heard Autechre going on about the importance of their max patches in the appreciation of their music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_L0uATJJa+K1v2qQcdvO0HQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 19:21:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35311-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64849 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:21:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 64837 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:21:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IDsrd0ujSUfWfjn+x4nEK31o7XMuuQPEv3/w0wRhMesVRopcuZ2wSBqWwHUGIEW5b3GAYPvLgubwITj3s51v56DpjUalIct+B0weUSVQPpiZJzkPp7UY6YcqrRjcgnKHS1YRloRKHoY/hsZ/atntzwUW1sRECPF1Hgk5qKcVXtQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx My point wasn't about mash-ups specifically, just that ACID was a good tool for composing tracks like as it was originally marketed as a 'remix' tool. Good article in last weeks New Yorker however about how proprietary and protective Sony is over its technology. As a case in point they look at things like Sony's Memory Stick and mp3 formats. I observed that Sony may have finally found a way to keep their minidisc format alive, via the new PSP. Regarding their purchase of ACID... seems like they just wanted in on the digital audio segment of their demographic. I haven't checked the most recent version of ACID to see if substantial changes have been made. Now, mash-ups... I think its a novelty at best. Seems like IDM's response to hiphop and pop music. Im glad 2manydj's slaughtered so many tracks in their mix disks, worked it out. I think I'll do a few microsound mashups, pitching Noto vs. SND, head-to-head ;) Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 19:16:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35310-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61462 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:16:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 61449 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:16:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:16:30 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 12:00 PM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: > > of course you're right, i would agree with you that these are > inseparable > elements, but I was thinking more of the focus of a work and whether a > work hides its process or not. well, i guess i feel that while innate, process should be immaterial to the work. be it a painting or an improv sound piece (i do both) i'd rather the viewer concentrate on the work. granted, analysis is interesting (and fun) but ultimately (and idealistically) i hope the viewer loses themselves in the work instead of getting caught up in an analytical mindset. not that that ever happens, of course... ;-) > it's clear that you can't make without > process but for the process rather than product being the reason for > undertaking a creative act is something i find quite interesting. The > enjoyment of doing or being rather than having. hmmm, process/product in my mind becomes one in the creative act. how could it be otherwise? i have been interested in ephemeral acts of creation and also in the production of "traditional" works of two- dimensional art. you do and then you have, whatever it is. inescapable timeline. > intent was certainly the > key for cage and duchamp and that was interesting then for historical > and > political reasons but that was over 50 years ago. or 50 years ahead of its time? bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 19:00:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35309-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54413 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:00:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 54402 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:00:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:59:44 +0200 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] AEMMUM radio show webstream To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Hi list, > this is Dimitri from oto onkyo radio show, tonight i stream the show > of friends from radio Sauvagine > > > live brodcasting of All Ears Meet Musik Und Maschine tonight, start at > 20h30 (GMT+1) (in fact it's running since 20min.) > > copy and paste this url [ http://82.236.44.208:8000/oto.ogg ] in > winamp or VLC " open a stream" > > d. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 16:43:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35308-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94438 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:43:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 94428 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:43:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:43:06 +0100 From: Michael Wright <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 12 Apr 2005, at 16:30, Mr.D wrote: > I have to agree here... mashups (in my mind at least) are really no > different from any other sample-sourced music, they're just easier to > recognize. ;) I don't really understand how this has ended up here. What I meant in the original post was, are Sony implementing features in ACID that encourage mash-ups? Any article you read on mash-ups mentions ACID software and how these artists need to keep their identities covered like this one... http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/01/bootlegs/print.html Like I also mentioned was the fact that many pop singles come with A capellas, so they might as well say on the cover "please add this vocal track to your favourite instrumental because bootlegs promotes our crap leftover pop in a cool and trendy context but we don't want to advertise this because we'd have to pay you etc". Funnily enough they are now supplying the tools to make the job easy as well. They are also hosting www.acidplanet.com where ACID users can upload the fruits of their labour so that Sony can then own them http://www.acidplanet.com/corporate/termsofservice.asp?T=7944 I've no idea why they would want to own them but you can bet that the standard of music is not that different from the backing tracks of their current roster. So what's stopping them using this music for whatever purposes they can, after all, its was them who created the software that spawned its existence in the first place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Achrid mp3's available at www.achrid.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 16:35:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35307-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91032 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:35:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 91021 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:35:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:35:46 +0100 (BST) From: morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aRevT+hgRQDgEn2XwH6zjg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_aRevT+hgRQDgEn2XwH6zjg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: But the definition of something in one term >doesn't negate its existence to itself. I am blonde, but I am bald, so >unless you knew what I looked like before I started shaving my head, >you wouldn't know I have different color hair than eyebrows, which are >red. These facts don't change the manner of my existence, though they >describe me in different terms according to different places along a >timeline. Similarly, you cannot 'unlink' the fact that I have hair, >regardless of its invisibility, because it is simply a describable part >of me. Math is a way to describe a part of music which we cannot see >because it's not 'there' to the naked ear. Yes thats more like it!!!! this would assume that there is a separation between the creation of music and the essence of music, which as any improvisor will tell you, are most certainly linked. matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_aRevT+hgRQDgEn2XwH6zjg)-- From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 16:26:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35306-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84754 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:26:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 84729 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:26:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:26:10 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ok985MwJkYUUjaZCs2VpOXg/FktdUSGAM0rgX4z/JUL3G2xBZF4Sf+pMnXAawrui7ANbo2SS+6LUDSw+fx7DqX5jwpizwA7zNL5qPBf5a5eD8C5/6juK3lap8YpZVG4AbQJMHo0ckhIsh0hzkq3YxXo00yA/YrNwFn0c5W/9I+M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Apr 12, 2005 7:26 AM, derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> wrote: > I find this "musical wallpaper" attitude > to be most associated with pop and club music, where the sound is meant > as a kind of background environment, and often doesn't really reward a > deeper listening. true, there is a lot of that around. but your .sig buddy eno [among others, satie most noteworthy] strove to make 'music for airports' or 'furniture music'. eno was explicit about the music should be listenable and ignorable. as the legend goes, satie was upset because people were listening to his furniture music instead of talking and carrying on among themselves- they weren't treating the music as furniture. i think algorithmic music can work very nicely as 'wallpaper'. > ---Oblique Strategy # 34: > "Consider different fading systems" RIAA ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 16:02:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35305-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75775 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:02:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 75757 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:02:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:02:32 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 3:41 AM, morgan quaintance wrote: > So mathematical and scientific discussion is out of place in > qualitative discussion, but it is accurate in disscusions on how light > is made. Did you answer your own question? Following along with your metaphor... more people than not will never think about the mathematics behind music in the same way that your people in a room discuss not the physics of Light but the quality of there being light. In analysis, they examine the light, which can be done to many deep (and mathematical) degrees, like music. There is no 'link' present between math and music because math is not the same 'thing' as music. I propose that Math is merely an abstraction of a quality of relationships, invented to quantify those relationships so that they can be studied. It's a meta-adjective used to define things in certain terms. But the definition of something in one term doesn't negate its existence to itself. I am blonde, but I am bald, so unless you knew what I looked like before I started shaving my head, you wouldn't know I have different color hair than eyebrows, which are red. These facts don't change the manner of my existence, though they describe me in different terms according to different places along a timeline. Similarly, you cannot 'unlink' the fact that I have hair, regardless of its invisibility, because it is simply a describable part of me. Math is a way to describe a part of music which we cannot see because it's not 'there' to the naked ear. > so i guess im saying, macking music can be mathematical and > scientific, but music as the finished product is not? this would assume that there is a separation between the creation of music and the essence of music, which as any improvisor will tell you, are most certainly linked. matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 16:00:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35304-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73730 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:00:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 73717 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:00:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:00:14 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx of course you're right, i would agree with you that these are inseparable elements, but I was thinking more of the focus of a work and whether a work hides its process or not. it's clear that you can't make without process but for the process rather than product being the reason for undertaking a creative act is something i find quite interesting. The enjoyment of doing or being rather than having. intent was certainly the key for cage and duchamp and that was interesting then for historical and political reasons but that was over 50 years ago. Cage highlighted a certain rupture within the in the art world, marking the limits of a particular mode of production. i think with a focus upon process (including the creation of new instruments as well as sound) we are possibly witnessing what Attali refers to as Composition, or at least a step in that direction. > isn't "process" an intrinsic part of all creative endeavors? and isn't > science > a discipline that strives to parse the world around us? while i have > spent > my musical career using the products of science in my creative > endeavors, > i don't regard myself in any way as a scientist, nor do i consider > myself in > any way as different from an artist who uses more "traditional" tools, > such > as paint or a violin. didn't duchamp and cage show us that intent is > the key? > cheers > bruce > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > http://www.altho.org arts community --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 15:48:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35303-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68802 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:48:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 68792 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:48:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:50:48 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, What you are referring to is a matter of viewpoint, the effect of a positioned observer on observations. A piece of orchestral music might be viewed differently from the point of view of the composer, the conductor, the performers, the audience, a student learning to compose, and a recording engineer who is capturing the performance. It may be that only the recording engineer needs to understand the music from a "scientific" point of view. Or perhaps the composer also needed some understanding of the science of music to compose the piece. Regardless, I would posit that all viewpoints may have validity, it is the problem to be solved or the purpose of observation that would determine which type of description or understanding of the music is best. If you want to save money on your electric bill, after all, some scientific understanding of "light" might be in order. Also, watch out for statements implying that light is an "ideal" thing - sounds dangerously Platonic - besides, would a scientific description be a better description of the "essence" of light then some phenomenological description? Regardless, I'm an anti-essentialist personally, (special thanks to Gilles Deleuze and Manual DeLanda for that). ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx 04/12/05 05:41AM >>> I am exploring the concept that music, maths and science are not intrinsically linked. I would like to hear your views on the subject. This may seem a question with an obvious answer to most, as alot electronic musicians believe that music, maths and science, are intrinsically linked. However i would like you to consider music as a kind of thing in itself. That is, as an entity in its own right. To make this rather garbled concept of mine a bit clearer, i have found an unsatisfactory analogy (its unsatisfactory because it has some flaws). Here it is: Okay when you switch on the light at home, you experience it as Light, and light only. When you talk about it to someone, you talk in terms of the tone or whatever...you know you might say "this light is to bright" or "maybe we should dim the lights". What you dont do is talk about the complex history of invention that has led up to the possibility of artificial light. When the light is on, you dont experience it as a fusion of electronics, and truth table logic. You experience it as an entity in its own right. It would seem a slightly bizarre occurence if instead of someone refering to the quality of light tone in a room, they started spouting abstract equations. That is to say the language of science and mathematics has nothing to do with the appreciation of light as an entity, or ideal thing. Light comes on you can see, you pecieve it in qualitative terms. So mathematical and scientific discussion is out of place in qualitative discussion, but it is accurate in disscusions on how light is made. so i guess im saying, macking music can be mathematical and scientific, but music as the finished product is not? {told you the reasoning was a bit shaky but you get the idea} It is, if you like, the seperation of process and outcome. let me know what you think --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 15:30:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35302-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61242 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:30:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 61232 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:30:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:30:21 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have to agree here... mashups (in my mind at least) are really no different from any other sample-sourced music, they're just easier to recognize. ;) This thread title makes me think of Wayne Horwitz's Zony Mash... great stuff. m On Apr 12, 2005, at 7:51 AM, andrew benson wrote: > I have a hard time believing that mashups challenge > Sony or any other label. They certainly don't > dissuade anyone from buying the records. If anything, > they are an indicator of pop status. I would argue > that the only difference between radio play and > mashups in this respect is that the radio stations pay > out. > > andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 15:19:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35301-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54153 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:19:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 54137 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:19:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=L5MHO4gW68XOQcK3aM68HOxFf2JtfoxNmvEcKCfyXmyy5VlnBAZUYvA1C5p8Utlnl8LuxH68jlNJuHVcWdPGnQF5+HEkrQVDgu7Wce/GwW20bC+rkfX1b1UMFK88F0BjrL8Z1br4qIDB1uMHLIIviptM4nRy1tuRhc0XSNjlDgs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In the making of digital sound and art there is a necessity for the maker to be well aquainted with math and science in order to master the tools available. Without a rudimentary understanding of psycho-acoustics, signal-processing, general systems theory, and college-level math, I would find it very difficult to produce anything. Thus, in discussions regarding process, we are obliged to refer to those tools that make our work possible. To ignore that side of contemporary digital arts is pure romanticism. That said, a teacher of mine used to refer to the "3%" in any piece that made it music. Meaning you can fill the rest with science and math and aleatory, etc., but you need that 3% to make it interesting. I like that way of looking at it. If you haven't, you should read "Emblems of the Mind". I don't necessarily agree with it's thesis, but there are some interesting passages. I'm not sure I could listen to Xenakis without seeing his tables and charts in my mind. andrew --- morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I am exploring the concept that music, maths and > science are not intrinsically linked. I would like > to hear your views on the subject. > > This may seem a question with an obvious answer to > most, as alot electronic musicians believe that > music, maths and science, are intrinsically linked. > However i would like you to consider music as a kind > of thing in itself. That is, as an entity in its own > right. > > To make this rather garbled concept of mine a bit > clearer, i have found an unsatisfactory analogy (its > unsatisfactory because it has some flaws). Here it > is: > > Okay when you switch on the light at home, you > experience it as Light, and light only. When you > talk about it to someone, you talk in terms of the > tone or whatever...you know you might say "this > light is to bright" or "maybe we should dim the > lights". What you dont do is talk about the complex > history of invention that has led up to the > possibility of artificial light. When the light is > on, you dont experience it as a fusion of > electronics, and truth table logic. You experience > it as an entity in its own right. > > It would seem a slightly bizarre occurence if > instead of someone refering to the quality of light > tone in a room, they started spouting abstract > equations. That is to say the language of science > and mathematics has nothing to do with the > appreciation of light as an entity, or ideal thing. > Light comes on you can see, you pecieve it in > qualitative terms. > > So mathematical and scientific discussion is out of > place in qualitative discussion, but it is accurate > in disscusions on how light is made. > > so i guess im saying, macking music can be > mathematical and scientific, but music as the > finished product is not? > > {told you the reasoning was a bit shaky but you get > the idea} > > It is, if you like, the seperation of process and > outcome. > > let me know what you think > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 15:16:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35300-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52104 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:16:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 52093 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:16:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:16:08 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Mawzer modular MIDI controller. In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I just found a link to this. It's a new modular MIDI controller (though it triggered some vaporware warnings). http://www.mawzer.com/index.htm I've found that one of the problems of developing pieces for performance, is that each piece has it's own requirements in terms of control that may not jive with other pieces. The temporary solution is to either force the pieces down to one controller (not ideal) or have a separate controller that suits each piece (not easy on the pocketbook). This could be a very interesting way to have a customized controller for suited for each piece. I'd be interested in hearing what everyone thinks of something like a modular controller, as I know most of us employ modular software (max, pd etc.). k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 15:12:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35299-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49306 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:11:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 49286 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:11:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:11:35 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 12, 2005, at 8:52 AM, W.C Schrimshaw wrote: > > i would be interested to hear how people relate to this idea of > separating > process from product with regard to music, as is suggested below. in my > personal experience and through conversation with other musicians > associated with the microsound community, the process is often the > piece, > as much as the aesthetic produced. it often seems that what is new > about > much digitally mediated music is its processual content and the > problematization of ideas of authorship and subjectivity that these > processes often bring about. > to separate the process from the product, to hide the labour behind it, > would destroy a lot of the meaning that can be recognised in much > digital > art and music.... perhaps? isn't "process" an intrinsic part of all creative endeavors? and isn't science a discipline that strives to parse the world around us? while i have spent my musical career using the products of science in my creative endeavors, i don't regard myself in any way as a scientist, nor do i consider myself in any way as different from an artist who uses more "traditional" tools, such as paint or a violin. didn't duchamp and cage show us that intent is the key? cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 14:57:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35298-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41593 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:57:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 41546 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:57:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:57:08 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I find this "musical wallpaper" attitude to be most associated with > pop and club music, where the sound is meant as a kind of background > environment, and often doesn't really reward a deeper listening. That's interesting. I've actually found pop and club music to be the exact opposite of background music. They seems to hold people's attention far better than music that requires effort for appreciation. You go to a club and find an entire dance floor captivated by the music, or you hop in any number of cars and see people singing along with the latest Top 40. It has their complete attention. Probably because these classes are designed to produce the biggest payoff with the least amount of effort. It seems to be the music that requires a stricter attention for true appreciation that ends up as background music, like classical and jazz. I've found that even the more heady electronic stuff is often employed as background music at parties and get-togethers. Perhaps as the complexity of music grows, the ability to tune it out becomes easier. Much like when someone is talking to you on a subject that is completely foreign to you, it often becomes babble and your mind then tends to wander. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 14:51:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35297-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37873 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:51:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 37861 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:51:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qOG9Fkgf/MVY9Tu+UFtxg2WjBnGGh0Zv4TulaGsR+YVONcv5g9U6az3xUhxW2Es7+8XOJcJerrL8uCor6H5C4DJdzxWF/XPtSuSYhHEZ5xEZi8iCKXUZ9pUjC79d31uYy05TJqBZXFGd2JuBcgZFMH8I73eA9GM7eW2tkAJW8hw= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I have a hard time believing that mashups challenge Sony or any other label. They certainly don't dissuade anyone from buying the records. If anything, they are an indicator of pop status. I would argue that the only difference between radio play and mashups in this respect is that the radio stations pay out. andrew --- xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx wrote: > In a message dated 11/04/2005 17:53:58 GMT Daylight > Time, > xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx writes: > > > I find this interesting that Sony have bought a > software tool that > > >clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records > artists like Destinys > > >Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, > bastard pop or > > >whatever. You would think they would be against > tools that make the > > >job easy. Saying that, there must be reason why > a lot of pop singles > > >come with a cappellas. Maybe Sony are using ACID > as a carrot to lead > > >donkey bedroom musicians in a direction that > benefits the record > > >industry somehow? > > > > > >Hmmm.... actually, that's a bit far fetched... > maybe? > > > > > this is a very interesting point and one worth > discussing on the > > list...I remember reading an essay somewhere > recently about this very > > conundrum, i.e. a publishing company manufacturing > the software tools > > for its own 'subversion' (I use that term > loosely)...but then > > capitalism does just this: 'produces the means to > its own demise' > > > > > > the mash-up artistes are already being co-opted > into the mainstream, one of > the most popular ones from last year, which was Cars > by Gary Numan with the > Sugababes layered on top was actually rerecorded > properly by Richard X and > released by The Sugarbabes, got quite high in the UK > pop charts, may even have > been number one. > > > > > > > "He who has rejected his demons badgers us to death > with his angels" > Henri Michaux > > www.flickr.com/photos/jpaul23/ > > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tue Apr 12 12:52:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35296-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92729 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:52:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 92719 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:52:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:52:34 +0100 (BST) From: "W.C Schrimshaw" <x.x.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Newcastle-MailScanner-From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i would be interested to hear how people relate to this idea of separating process from product with regard to music, as is suggested below. in my personal experience and through conversation with other musicians associated with the microsound community, the process is often the piece, as much as the aesthetic produced. it often seems that what is new about much digitally mediated music is its processual content and the problematization of ideas of authorship and subjectivity that these processes often bring about. to separate the process from the product, to hide the labour behind it, would destroy a lot of the meaning that can be recognised in much digital art and music.... perhaps? > I am exploring the concept that music, maths and science are not > intrinsically linked. I would like to hear your views on the subject. > > This may seem a question with an obvious answer to most, as alot > electronic musicians believe that music, maths and science, are > intrinsically linked. However i would like you to consider music as a kind > of thing in itself. That is, as an entity in its own right. > > To make this rather garbled concept of mine a bit clearer, i have found an > unsatisfactory analogy (its unsatisfactory because it has some flaws). > Here it is: > > Okay when you switch on the light at home, you experience it as Light, and > light only. When you talk about it to someone, you talk in terms of the > tone or whatever...you know you might say "this light is to bright" or > "maybe we should dim the lights". What you dont do is talk about the > complex history of invention that has led up to the possibility of > artificial light. When the light is on, you dont experience it as a fusion > of electronics, and truth table logic. You experience it as an entity in > its own right. > > It would seem a slightly bizarre occurence if instead of someone refering > to the quality of light tone in a room, they started spouting abstract > equations. That is to say the language of science and mathematics has > nothing to do with the appreciation of light as an entity, or ideal thing. > Light comes on you can see, you pecieve it in qualitative terms. > > So mathematical and scientific discussion is out of place in qualitative > discussion, but it is accurate in disscusions on how light is made. > > so i guess im saying, macking music can be mathematical and scientific, > but music as the finished product is not? > > {told you the reasoning was a bit shaky but you get the idea} > > It is, if you like, the seperation of process and outcome. > > let me know what you think > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tue Apr 12 12:08:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35295-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80396 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:08:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 80385 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:08:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:08:36 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F3nai_Andr=E1s?= <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3929) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0515-1, 2005.04.12), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:41:18 +0100 (BST), morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I am exploring the concept that music, maths and science are not > intrinsically linked. I think that there can be a concept that can mediate between them (or even that can be put in the place of maths and science to make the problem more reasonable): technique. Technical problems can be stated in terms of structures, tools etc. (scientific terms, if you like) - but at the same time they have (or ought to have) relevance on the artistic, musical level. A solution to a technical problem should be appreciated on the esthetic level (if a solution has no musical value, it is not a solution) and also on the more "scientific" level. But at the same time I think you are right in stating (if you are stating that:)) that esthetic discussion not considering the technical level is legitimate. > It is, if you like, the separation of process and outcome. I guess it's rather the problem of different levels of description (we can describe the process and the outcome also in more or less esthetic or technical langauge) and the relations between these levels. r.a -- http://ra.underground.hu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 12:03:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35294-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78693 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:03:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 78683 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:03:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:02:55 +0100 From: Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx derek holzer wrote: > That's because you're not making art with that light. If you were, you > might think of it very differently. If music is wallpaper for you, then > a more in-depth analysis and a deeper listening based on its history and > technique Does a 'deeper-listening' have to be based on history and technique? > I find this "musical wallpaper" attitude > to be most associated with pop and club music, where the sound is meant > as a kind of background environment, and often doesn't really reward a > deeper listening. Not to disregard the evident truth that there is music aroudn that doesn't reward any sort of deeper-listening, historical/technical or otherwise, ISTM that there is plenty of stuff around (incl. 'pop and club') that can be very a rewarding ahistoical / non-technical listen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 11:56:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35293-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75952 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:56:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 75941 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:56:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:56:16 +0100 From: Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx morgan quaintance wrote: > I am exploring the concept that music, maths and science are not > intrinsically linked. I would like to hear your views on the subject. I think it depends on what you mean by intrinsic. Any sounding moment, musical and otherwise, /could/ be discussed in acoustic / electronic / signal processing terms, but there's nothing, IMO, to suggest that this is a /necessary/ approach to any given musical experience. Maths, science etc. are ways of viewing the world (frequently useful ones), among many others. Their link to music may well seem more pertinent for thsoe of us making music relying on high(ish) technology, but I can't see that this makes the connection between such music and maths/science any more 'intrinsic' than explaining a vocal performance in terms of tuned resonances etc. Of course, in some cases it is fruitful to do so (e.g. how do throat singers make /that/ sound, how did this electronic dirge come about, etc.), but not /necessary/. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 11:15:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35292-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65880 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:15:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 65868 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:15:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:26:46 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] maths science and electronic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx morgan quaintance wrote: > What you dont do is talk about the complex history of invention that has led up to the possibility of artificial light. That's because you're not making art with that light. If you were, you might think of it very differently. If music is wallpaper for you, then a more in-depth analysis and a deeper listening based on its history and technique would be the farthest thing from your mind. You probably just want a mood, or want to party. I find this "musical wallpaper" attitude to be most associated with pop and club music, where the sound is meant as a kind of background environment, and often doesn't really reward a deeper listening. d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 34: "Consider different fading systems" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 11:02:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35291-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61579 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:02:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 61505 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:02:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:41:18 +0100 (BST) From: morgan quaintance <xxxxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] maths science and electronic music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9zXQ3OTR6jjL/40MHi0bFA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_9zXQ3OTR6jjL/40MHi0bFA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am exploring the concept that music, maths and science are not intrinsically linked. I would like to hear your views on the subject. This may seem a question with an obvious answer to most, as alot electronic musicians believe that music, maths and science, are intrinsically linked. However i would like you to consider music as a kind of thing in itself. That is, as an entity in its own right. To make this rather garbled concept of mine a bit clearer, i have found an unsatisfactory analogy (its unsatisfactory because it has some flaws). Here it is: Okay when you switch on the light at home, you experience it as Light, and light only. When you talk about it to someone, you talk in terms of the tone or whatever...you know you might say "this light is to bright" or "maybe we should dim the lights". What you dont do is talk about the complex history of invention that has led up to the possibility of artificial light. When the light is on, you dont experience it as a fusion of electronics, and truth table logic. You experience it as an entity in its own right. It would seem a slightly bizarre occurence if instead of someone refering to the quality of light tone in a room, they started spouting abstract equations. That is to say the language of science and mathematics has nothing to do with the appreciation of light as an entity, or ideal thing. Light comes on you can see, you pecieve it in qualitative terms. So mathematical and scientific discussion is out of place in qualitative discussion, but it is accurate in disscusions on how light is made. so i guess im saying, macking music can be mathematical and scientific, but music as the finished product is not? {told you the reasoning was a bit shaky but you get the idea} It is, if you like, the seperation of process and outcome. let me know what you think --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --Boundary_(ID_9zXQ3OTR6jjL/40MHi0bFA)-- From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 08:34:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35290-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26537 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:34:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 26517 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:34:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:34:29 +0100 From: Owen Green <x.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] microsound-announce In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx under the radar wrote: > Is there a subscription process for the announce list? http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 12 01:29:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35289-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6006 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:29:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 5992 invoked from network); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:29:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:29:46 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] migration (succeeded),[how wonderfully intelligent] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxx.xx (Unverified) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be80d2e98bb8@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >I just wanted to say thank you to all who made the effort to migrate >all their announcements to the new microsound-announce list... -It's quite impressive that all the energy needed for these attemps actually to succeed, succeeded.. 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Mon Apr 11 23:08:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35288-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52134 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:08:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 52123 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:08:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:08:34 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was daydreaming a scenario in which Sony freely supplies all the tools needed to violate their copyrights in a myriad of ways, only to use these violations as examples when whipping the legislature into a frenzy so they would pass extremist copyright laws, thereby guaranteeing the media giants' continued monopolies. Kinda like giving guns to the rebel uprising so you can shoot them. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 21:13:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35287-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8525 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:13:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 8482 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:13:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:12:54 -0700 From: under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] microsound-announce In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [205.159.125.4] X-Sender: xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxx@xxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2005 21:12:54.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A33A430:01C53EDB] Is there a subscription process for the announce list? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 20:51:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35286-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98566 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:51:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 98556 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:51:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:51:06 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] migration To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx, John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I just wanted to say thank you to all who made the effort to migrate all their announcements to the new microsound-announce list...I know some people found this to be somewhat difficult but it seems like the split has rekindled some of the old philosophical spirit we used to have on the list... anyway, I also wanted to thank John Saylor again for his efforts at making the difficult seem easy and dedicating his valuable time (and server space) to the microsound community... cheers! 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Mon Apr 11 20:29:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35285-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87148 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:29:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 87138 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:29:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:29:09 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-5C978282AAC811D9B36A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim Cascone wrote on 4/11/05: >this is a very interesting point and one worth discussing on the >list...I remember reading an essay somewhere recently about this very >conundrum, i.e. a publishing company manufacturing the software tools >for its own 'subversion' (I use that term loosely)...but then >capitalism does just this: 'produces the means to its own demise' Having had some experience with working across divisions of the Walt Disney Corp., I can say that large media conglomerations are often in competition with themselves. Also, within the recording industry, "acts" or groups are often in competition, having signed on only to find that their doppelganger labelmates are receiving critical promotional support while their CD languishes in the bins at Virgin. I'd call it a form of insurance for large and (hence?) conservative corporations. After all, Starbucks is out for total gallons of coffee sold, not competive performance between two locations less than half a city block away. <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 20:10:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35284-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78602 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:10:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 78592 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:10:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:10:37 -0700 From: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: nathan dickerson <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=odN5lUcGuD8joqraYZLWsfRwPegVepgmI0dmArWG3Y8f6ptyV3HOS/ohEseuzhADM0JGwBFBeRzolIzRiQKsj4hYGPaaMzvxnDZwfTNECTKIoSuLBQJ1aWFLKIF7zg+HJ2YQO17FeEXzWmzxr7niiwB2KlqcRoIagf6UPdcK6YQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't believe Sony thinks like that. I think they just want to make money and are buying into anything they can own technology wise to their advantage. It makes me wonder if ACID has any interesting patents, which Sony now either owns, or has the rights to use after the sale. There might be something more than the software itself in the sale. I am sure a few have read this, or something similar, before: http://news.com.com/Sony+The+conflicted+conglomerate/2009-1040_3-936522.html I could be wrong, but I think Sony's purchases are based more on market research and technological advantage rather than theoretical market manipulation. They are abit to big to understand the conflicts within their own internal goals and structure, but by owning the means which make these conflicts possible, they are creating more wealth than letting another supply them, which ofcourse, produces higher returns to their shareholders, which is so'posedly the point of their existence. nathand On Apr 11, 2005 9:32 AM, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that > > clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like Destinys > > Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or > > whatever. You would think they would be against tools that make the > > job easy. Saying that, there must be reason why a lot of pop singles > > come with a cappellas. Maybe Sony are using ACID as a carrot to lead > > donkey bedroom musicians in a direction that benefits the record > > industry somehow? > > > > Hmmm.... actually, that's a bit far fetched... maybe? > > > this is a very interesting point and one worth discussing on the > list...I remember reading an essay somewhere recently about this very > conundrum, i.e. a publishing company manufacturing the software tools > for its own 'subversion' (I use that term loosely)...but then > capitalism does just this: 'produces the means to its own demise' > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://patternmedia.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 19:08:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35283-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49258 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:08:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 49247 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:08:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_G1hvbxbp9eW1tbuPQCH/aQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3cFK8Pce3wN4LJRFDqIsqn5le5yeHAXdYPA93uPGjuhMt7N2Kw88aeakWrua8xSNJ4jBFitvKBN86FVJeoRieQpaI7d5/P+RzLe4wZkq52TMHxe0wNb5ZU0CS5DTichFDxNeMgP+CgwLT6749lJ13R1rXtJ7ulJEZqj8rZk5Wz4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_G1hvbxbp9eW1tbuPQCH/aQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a chicago "alternative" radio station (101.1) plays mashups daily as part of a contest where people have to correctly identify the original songs used. that's pretty damn mainstream. >the mash-up artistes are already being co-opted into the mainstream, one of >the most popular ones from last year, which was Cars by Gary Numan with the >Sugababes layered on top was actually rerecorded properly by Richard X and >released by The Sugarbabes, got quite high in the UK pop charts, may even have >been number one. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --Boundary_(ID_G1hvbxbp9eW1tbuPQCH/aQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 16:58:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35282-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83059 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:58:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 83047 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:58:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:57:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "xxxxx@xxxx.xxx" <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***REMINDER_REDUX REDUX*** X-Originating-IP: [168.156.91.159] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ymnrZTwhqAK9vTzSuWCxvcJghrSVzBRbI8jeD7Jbkdo+xgcV9cn2/A== X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1233666403 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I suspect that many people are on digest version and haven't been reading the posts, so they still send announcements to this list group. DL --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 16:57:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35281-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81926 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:57:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 81915 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:57:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sonymash To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_48f0qaKt50Pi4L2hDPMsbA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_48f0qaKt50Pi4L2hDPMsbA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/04/2005 17:53:58 GMT Daylight Time, xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx writes: > I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that > >clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like Destinys > >Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or > >whatever. You would think they would be against tools that make the > >job easy. Saying that, there must be reason why a lot of pop singles > >come with a cappellas. Maybe Sony are using ACID as a carrot to lead > >donkey bedroom musicians in a direction that benefits the record > >industry somehow? > > > >Hmmm.... actually, that's a bit far fetched... maybe? > > > this is a very interesting point and one worth discussing on the > list...I remember reading an essay somewhere recently about this very > conundrum, i.e. a publishing company manufacturing the software tools > for its own 'subversion' (I use that term loosely)...but then > capitalism does just this: 'produces the means to its own demise' > > the mash-up artistes are already being co-opted into the mainstream, one of the most popular ones from last year, which was Cars by Gary Numan with the Sugababes layered on top was actually rerecorded properly by Richard X and released by The Sugarbabes, got quite high in the UK pop charts, may even have been number one. "He who has rejected his demons badgers us to death with his angels" Henri Michaux www.flickr.com/photos/jpaul23/ --Boundary_(ID_48f0qaKt50Pi4L2hDPMsbA)-- From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 16:53:42 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35280-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79495 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:53:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 79485 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:53:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:32:27 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] sonymash To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that > clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like Destinys > Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or > whatever. You would think they would be against tools that make the > job easy. Saying that, there must be reason why a lot of pop singles > come with a cappellas. Maybe Sony are using ACID as a carrot to lead > donkey bedroom musicians in a direction that benefits the record > industry somehow? > > Hmmm.... actually, that's a bit far fetched... maybe? > this is a very interesting point and one worth discussing on the list...I remember reading an essay somewhere recently about this very conundrum, i.e. a publishing company manufacturing the software tools for its own 'subversion' (I use that term loosely)...but then capitalism does just this: 'produces the means to its own demise' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Mon Apr 11 08:57:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35278-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83752 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:57:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 83740 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:57:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:55:11 +0200 From: TU M' <xxxx.xx_x@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] MR.MUTT // The Forbidden 80s // Compilation To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000301c53e74$6d73ef10$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx THE FORBIDDEN 80s Compilation ARTIST VARIOUS ARTISTS TITLE THE FORBIDDEN 80s LABEL MR.MUTT CAT.NO. MR001 FORMAT CD RELEASE APRIL 2005 EDITION 1000 DURATION 57'21'' With 01 JASON FORREST "Leg Warners" 02 BETRIEB "Bubiacid" 03 MINAMO "FM Tokyo" 04 STENO "Talk" 05 SERGEJ MOHNTAU "Life Ain't Always The Way" 06 SCANNER "Glittery Plastic" 07 GREG DAVIS "Sailing" 08 TU M' "Polaroid 84" 09 STEPHAN MATHIEU "Heller Raum" 10 HDJ TOM "Play.Stop.Rew.FF." 11 MAPSTATION "Digikal Masters" 12 SOGAR "Nichts Zählt In Kleinen Mengen" 13 NATHAN MICHEL "Suds" INFO ------------------------------------------------------------ Over the past few years, mentioning music from the eighties, and particularly electronic pop and its many derivations, has been considered a sort of taboo, something you should really be ashamed of. As a result, we have learnt to secretly disguise the enjoyment of listening to certain songs, sing along to the words under our breaths, lower our voices even more when the wind of radical cutting-edge criticism, which has conceitedly liquidated certain intuitions of 80s pop, is perceived around us. However, if we take a look at the music produced since the turn of the century, it becomes evident that these intuitions have revealed themselves very important if not fundamental in contemporary music production. The 80s have influenced electronic music more than what one can believe, through the rediscovery of melody, the airiness of certain formal solutions, the reintegration of rhythmic and enveloping melodies... If you like it or not (and although many tend not to recognise it) electronic music has absorbed the influences of the 80s, that is to say that nuances of 80s pop are recognisable within contemporary electronic music and its mechanisms of composition, as if inherited. This is undeniable and becomes even more evident if we merely consider the number of composers who have reintroduced voice into music, hidden between the abstract digital samplings created on laptops. The musicians who have taken part in this compilation have probably unconsciously tapped into the memory of the forbidden 80s, making it re-emerge under the tepid light of their computers, with an eye towards contemporaneity yet conscious of their past. All tracks is Unreleased and Created only for the concept of Compilation. ARTISTS INFO ---------------------------------------------- JASON FORREST Jason Forrest makes music under the moniker Donna Summer. He has released records in the US, the UK, EU, and Japan. He has been featured in periodicals such as The Wire, XLR8R, Crash, Muzik, The Village Voice, Go mag, Grooves, De:Bug, and Vice. His music is a combination of stadium rock, 70's disco, electro-acoustics and hair metal. His live shows are intense participatory events of fast music, bad dancing, and the occasional shattered laptop. His albums is released on Sonig and Irritant. www.cockrockdisco.com BETRIEB Betrieb, wellknown for his work on KLANG ELEKTRONIK, as Autopoieses on Mille Plateaux, his Ekkehard Ehlers Plays... series on Staubgold and März on Karaoke Kalk. Betrieb signs his digital sound-sketches sometimes very concrete and rock, sometimes kind of abstract, in a classical music style, sometimes more playful, simply following his very own interpretation of DeepHouse. www.autopoieses.de/betrieb MINAMO In 1999, the electro-acoustic group Minamo was formed by Keiichi Sugimoto and Tetsuro Yasunaga. In 2000, Minamo's self-released CD-R "wakka" was reissued by the New York label Quakebasket. This was selected Matmos' one of best sounds in 2001 on Wire magazine. In 2001, made first appearance in New York. Yuiichiro Iwashita (guitar) and Namiko Sasamoto (sax, organ) has joined. In 2002, first CD album ".kgs" has released by the Tokyo label 360 records. Made first appearance in Chicago. "Superb Japanese experimental group"(Chicago Readers). Forthcoming album: SHINING (12K) out in march, 2005. www.12k.com / www.mr-mutt.com STENO STENO is a new Trio formed by Frank Metzger (Ex Oval) plus Rossano Polidoro and Emiliano Romanelli (TU M'). Their work is focused on the world of CD-Skipping-Glitch-Pop-Music. The STENO debut album will be released on the prestigious Art-Vinyl Records EN/OF. http://tu-m.com/STENO SERGEJ MOHNTAU Sergej Mohntau was conceived in 1999 by Jürgen Berlakovich and Thomas Pfeffer. Concerts and performances are based on a combination of music, speech, gestures, and optical impressions which result in a special form of music theatre. Sergej Mohntau uses computer manipulations to transform noises generated from objects not usually associated with music into musical sounds--and thus transforms the objects themselves into instruments. Figures such as the e-window and the rubber glove bagpipes, the jack-of-all-trades double bass, manipulated human voices, body parts, battery run toys and selfmade computers all play both visual and acoustical roles in our performances. The result is a common sound generated from both analog and digital sources which is encased in a dramaturgical concept based on the animality of the body, mechanics, electricity, and electronics. www.sergejmohntau.net SCANNER Scanner - British sound artist, Robin Rimbaud - creates absorbing, multi-layered soundscapes that twist technology in unconventional ways. His controversial early work used scanned mobile phone conversations which he wove into his compositions, and more recently his focus has shifted to trawling the hidden noise of the modern metropolis as the symbol of the place where hidden meanings and missed contacts emerge. Winning admiration from Bjork and Stockhausen, Scanner is committed to working with cutting edge practitioners and has collaborated with musicians Bryan Ferry and Laurie Anderson, Rambert Dance and Random Dance Company, writers David Toop and Simon Armitage, the artist Mike Kelley, among many others. As well as producing compositions and audio CDs, his diverse body of work includes soundtracks for films, performances, radio, and site-specific intermedia installations. www.scannerdot.com / www.mr-mutt.com GREG DAVIS Greg Davis is a musician based in Chicago. As an undergraduate at DePaul University in Chicago, Greg Davis studied classical and jazz guitar alongside composition and jazz studies. At the moment work for the integration of laptop processing and acoustic instrumentation for label like Carpark, Kranky... www.autumnrecords.net TU M' Italian duo TU M' - Rossano Polidoro and Emiliano Romanelli, whose moniker is taken from Marcel Duchamp's last painting "Tu m'" - have deservedly risen to prominence recently with celebrated works on Phthalo, Fallt, Cut, ERS/Staalplaat. Frequent collaborators - they have released works with Steve Roden and recently formed a new group titled 'Steno' with Frank Metzger (ex Oval) - the duo also have numerous tracks on compilations like Apestaartje, Bottrop Boy, CubicFabric... In addition to their work as musicians, Polidoro and Romanelli work as Video Artists and curate both the web-based label Tu M'p3 and label Mr.Mutt Records. www.tu-m.com / www.mr-mutt.com STEPHAN MATHIEU Stephan Mathieu is an electronic musician from Saarbruecken, Germany. Starting out as a drummer in various improvised contexts he made the switch to working mainly with computers in the late 90's. Since then he has released a string of highly acclaimed recordings on labels like Ritornell, Orthlorng Musork, Häpna and Headz. From his interest in design and work with installations he has acquired a fine-tuned sense of form. His music is based on recordings of acoustic instruments and esotheric software processes. www.bitsteam.de HDJ TOM Tamas Szoke aka Hdj Tom was born in Miskolc, Hungary, 1968. He made music by himself, with others, in different groups. In 1995 he and his friend, Golden Sztaniol formed The Golden Army band.Their first and second album came out in 2000 (Egomachine) and 2001(Masters), released by UCMG/Ugar records. Hdj Tom's first solo album, "Taste" was released in 2003 at American records Inflatabl Labl. In 2005 Hdj Tom founded "HDJCDR" mini label, which released his new album "True of False". www.hdjtom.hu MAPSTATION Stefan Schneider lives and works in Duesseldorf. Member of Düsseldorf/Berlin trio TO ROCOCO ROT.Recording as Mapstation since 1999. Records on: Staubgold, Domino, Karaoke Kalk... Mapstation's music is closer to minimalist techno, but brings the euphoria of the genre together with charming slow-downs of pace and bpm. www.mapstation.de SOGAR Jürgen Heckel, also known as Sogar, was born in Nuremberg in 1970 and has been living in Paris for 10 years. Thus Jürgen manipulates accidental sounds to create light and fragile melodic textures. The sources of these arrangements are guitars as well as sounds from mixing consoles, amplifiers, cables or other aural finds. These sounds are then reworked on a computer to become a music made of cracklings, creakings and rich melodic oscillations exploring the extremes of the sound spectrum by associating acoustic technique and software. His work is released on 12k and Mr.Mutt. www.12k.com / www.mr-mutt.com NATHAN MICHEL Nathan Michel makes music in both the classical and rock traditions. His debut album of melodic, lo-fi electronic music entitled abc def was released in 2002 on Tigerbeat6 records, and he performs live with computer, keyboards, voice, and other instruments. Currently a Ph.D. composition fellow at Princeton University, Nathan has also studied with Elliott Schwartz at Bowdoin College, with Louis Andriessen in Amsterdam, and at Yale University with Ezra Laderman and Martin Bresnick. Recognition for his work has come from Yale, Bowdoin, ASCAP, and the American Academy of Arts and Letters from whom he received a 2002 Charles Ives Scholarship. His interests range from the concision and rhythmic vitality of Stravinsky to the poetic ramblings of Captain Beefheart, and some things in between. Dear Bicycle, Nathan's second record for Tigerbeat6 was released in July 2003, and a recording of his live performances entitled Trebly will be out October 2003 on the Italian label Mr. Mutt. A new album for 2005 coming out on Skipp/Sonig. www.nathanmichel.com / www.mr-mutt.com ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------- Buy your copy via PayPal from MR.MUTT MiniStore http://www.tu-m.com/mrmutt/mini_store.htm MR.MUTT www.mr-mutt.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 11 07:17:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35277-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 03:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 03:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62678 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:17:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 62666 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:17:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: holzkopf <xxxxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] nonCapable Recordings To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? 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THIS ISN’T EYE FOR AN EYE JUSTICE: “YOU TAKE MY EYE AND I TAKE BOTH ‘O YOURS, YOUR TEETH AND KILL YOUR MOM.” (spoken aloud in deadpan) nonCapable Recordings has been officially launched as an island. http://www.teargasrecordingtree.com/noncapable.html mp3 samples of all releases are available on the website. catalogue is as follows: nonCDone ($10 Canadian) motohiro nakashima & sakuro “kant” watanabe live @ Kanadian, november 2004 edition one, limited to 50 copies a snapshot of underground musical happenings in Osaka, Japan. this recording was made at one of a series of weekly tuesday night gigs by nakashima and watanabe. the music here is subtle: looped but fragmented. the sound of jangling percussion and droning vocals of watanabe are carefully placed on top of a bed of sampled and repeated cymbal hits, mid-frequency washes and western folk influenced acoustic guitar played by nakashima. watanabe has a music history dating back to his role as a drummer in tokyo based band “maruhachibu” in the ‘70s. as well as performing with nakashima, watanabe heads the group, “Sanmyakuza.” nakashima heads his own label, “november records,” as well as releasing his IDM tinged material on England’s “lo recordings.” nonCDtwo ($5 Canadian) mastered on blown speakers by holzkopf edition one, limited to 9 copies 20 minutes of stoner rock violence recorded as loud as possible. the rather odd and extensive list of instruments used on this EP include the typical: guitar, bass and drums, as well as no-input mixing boards, no-input sampler, breaking glass, M Audio soundcard feedback, shortwave radios and scrap metal and wood percussion. this whole mess is given a unique colouring by being recorded and mastered on a set of blown sony stereo speakers. nonCDthree ($10 Canadian) warning: this recording is a mess by holzkopf edition one, limited to 10 copies excerpts of a performance at Edmonton, AB, Canada's Latitude 53 gallery in April of 2002 as well as a full unedited live recording from C'Est What in Toronto, ON, Canada from February of 2004. includes longer, building ambient mixes of holzkopf material as well as improvisations based around lo-fi piano recordings, tape hiss and a group of 20 people using several playgrounds as drum sets. released to sell at Vancouver's upcoming Signal and Noise festival. holzkopf's performance is on April 15th, 2005 at the festival. for more details check the festival website. visit the website shop for details on how to buy or respond to this e-mail directly. we always welcome demo submissions. nonCapable. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 10 14:54:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35276-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93557 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:54:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 93547 invoked from network); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:54:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:54:16 +0200 From: "david.papapostolou" <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] nuendo error while exporting + cd-r label To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, phonography <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <IEQK2G$xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Sensitivity: 3 X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B51) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi list i am trying to do a mixdown on nuendo, never had problems with this before, but i can't get to export as a 16 bit 44.1 Hz aif file this nuendo projet, i tried many things (exporting the whole thing, only one track, only a short part of it, saving as another name and trying again) and each time i get the same message: error during transfer (well, the french version of something similar;). Any one already went thru this? Something else, i am starting a small cdr-r label (luni.music), to release my own stuffs at the moment, but hopefully to release other people's too soon...so i am not really up and running yet, but anyway feel free to send demos ( please contact me off list for postal address xxxx.xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx). Thanks d -- david.papapostolou - http://luniluni.blogspot.com/ (cd-r label, very soon!) http://davidpapapostolousound.blogspot.com/ - //music is sound which is sufficient on its own/ -- Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34€/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34€/mn) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 10 14:15:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35275-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85816 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:15:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 85804 invoked from network); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:15:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Curtis Cousins <xxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ACID and Sony In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TOOMtHA8ZY8/XVsZkQoqmQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yG227kUZxKxZEOhUwK3W1s5YrsO0t3GVEUNlLPEhKQm8Ntyfe28vwKxRiZxBaJm6pC91WYcdQBIQcr9Mg6zFTG1EAA9nOx+7v1lUxhlQtibUYu32s4ucUNWR5nj7NvqgiY4Z7xNftLsksi4xlpwsPv63mcOawj2IZMBfm1y/c5k= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_TOOMtHA8ZY8/XVsZkQoqmQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you haven't used ACID in a long time, then you need to check out the current version. It supports VST's, VSTi's, direct-x plugs, Rewire Support, etc. I never use it for mash-ups. I use it as a host for all of my VSTs, VSTi's, and Rewire it to Reason constantly. xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx wrote:In a message dated 09/04/2005 22:55:37 GMT Daylight Time, xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx writes: > I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that > clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like Destinys > Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or > whatever. they bought the whole company, so now SoundForge is by Sony, hopefully they'll plow loads of money into developing it. "He who has rejected his demons badgers us to death with his angels" Henri Michaux www.flickr.com/photos/jpaul23/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --Boundary_(ID_TOOMtHA8ZY8/XVsZkQoqmQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Apr 10 05:38:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35274-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91716 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:38:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 91706 invoked from network); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:38:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:40:05 -0400 From: "tobias c. van Veen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live vs. memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7E3475.1D7B2%xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > i see most of the computer-driven music as an extension of tape music and i > am there to listen to the sound in the context of the presentation. like a head with a big knife through the neck so the body nor the libido ever moves ..\ {Perfect Cartesianism} {Ultimate authenticity is the stillness. And so Buddha sat under the tree. And he found nirvana while the yogis stretched and stretched.} {Movement is Liberace flourishes. Hail stillness. Hail the posture of the slouch, the flick of the wrist, the dry, pale skin, hanging in drastic flabs from the seated body - what art - what sound - what music - from this head, say the headz, narely a chin wagging.} {Eventually only the machine. All in the machine wired, everywhere is machine, up the seats come filaments and grey spiney tentacles, reaching, grouping, up inside, insidious penetration, machine everywhere inside me and you, for wherever we look, whatever we do, there is machine, no matter what job it's all vision-finger machine, the hips bent at 90 degrees, no need to get up, to move, stick to where one is, it can be mapped, this exaltation of end program . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 10 02:34:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35273-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46532 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:34:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 46522 invoked from network); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:33:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:33:55 +0000 From: twonky yup <xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] live vs. memorex X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.203] X-Sender: xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2005 02:33:56.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE301FA0:01C53D75] mmmhmm. i am really not all that concerned about vs... or process. its the ends. however i do enjoy the peversity of using a particular application for unintended purpose. as i have mentioned before, things like the looping playback monitor of sonicworx as it renders a sound file, turning a 3 second resynthesizing render into a 30 minute performance. what i find amusing is that no matter what space bar application is used, the histrionics that accompany some performance. after playing recently (using live with soundhack plugs, with a short field recording, and the live room tone through mic inserts) i was asked if i was 'just playing back sounds' because i stood quite still while the other performers grunted and groaned and sweated and twisted knobs on their mixers, essentially EQing their space bar playing (i really dont see the difference between turning on a sequencer or hitting play on iTunes). i must mention that they were also adding very nice vocals with treatments along with their sequenced performances, so they pulled more weight than the usual idmish or drillcore acts. but back to the point, because i make a point of removing gesture from my performance, i dont appear to be 'playing' when i am (and also when i am not) while those who are playing back, appear to be playing. personally, i dont care whether they are 'lipsyncing' or not, and i do find the 'dance' moves entertaining. i just find it amusing that, because i may leave out the Liberace flourishes, somehow i am performing less than others. i see most of the computer-driven music as an extension of tape music and i am there to listen to the sound in the context of the presentation. i enjoyed hearing Earl Howard's multi-tracked, serge modular tape music in concert as much as his live saxophone playing in concert. i suppose if he had also done a little soft shoe, it wouldve added to the experience, but i do not regret that he did not. so, which is more musical, Hearts of Darknesses flopping around on stage as his compact disc plays, or Ashley doing a jig to a miscued vocal sequence. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 23:33:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35272-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99407 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 23:33:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 99397 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 23:33:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:33:47 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ACID and Sony In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-D2334066A94F11D99C07000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Michael Wright wrote on 4/9/05: >I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that >clearly used for mash-ups. You would think they would be against >tools >that make the job easy. Well, most major corporations give to both the Republican AND Democratic parties... <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 21:59:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35271-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74843 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:59:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 74832 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:59:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:59:34 +0000 From: bobby whn <xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] tools vs. aesthetics? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.207] X-Sender: xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2005 21:59:34.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A614F00:01C53D4F] i think also that using an instrument or software which you have built yourself brings you closer to the sounds which you obtain from it, and also that not only these sounds, but the way in which you aproach them is much more likely to be unique. perhaps the difference is that instead of the person changing or being trained to fit the instrument, the instrument is created and shaped to fit the person, however if something is custom made to fit you in the present tense then there may be no room for exploration of new ground which you didnt forsee at the time of designing the device. you can be in a stiuation where you build a tool for a specific task and then move on, but i would rather have access to a single 'instrument' which i can be in control of at times, but not know the limits of , so that i am not bound by these limits. i think that if you are designing 'tools' to fulfill your requirements then you have to be very sure of your own intentions and goals sylistically, which is difficult if you are also aiming to challenge your own ideas and conventions rather than follow a single idea to its conclusion. (my problem is that i have spent many hundreds of hours trying to develop this 'instrument' and comparatively few hours making music with it!) >From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Subject: [microsound] tools vs. aesthetics? >Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 11:47:02 -0700 (PDT) > >While I agree that it's good to check the gear-talk >once in awhile, I feel that it is vital to discuss and >consider our tools as an integral part of our >aesthetic. The beauty of working with digital sound >for me is the accessibility of building custom tools >that will do new and unique things. This is very >difficult to do with acoustic instruments. The fact >that this puts added responsibility on the composer >only forces the composer to refine and perfect the >whole system. This has been the case in the visual >arts for centuries. As a painter, I never really >understood pigment until I started mixing my own >paints with raw materials. Many ceramicists mine >their own clay and build their own kilns. The laptop >has allowed musicians and composers to have a more >holistic approach to sound and composition. > >IMHO, electronic music tends to lack an awareness of >the tools that goes beyond self-reflexive digital >discourse. Programs like Pd, Max, SC, etc. allow for >a greater awareness of the molecular aspects of sound. > It seems Live is a very popular tool because it >fits with many people's aesthetics, or is just the >most convenient answer. > >Andrew Benson >www.cloud-machine.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Sat Apr 9 21:57:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35270-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73307 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:57:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 73297 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:57:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] ACID and Sony To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BrU9xreLZoBuw1wG1aY1Pw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_BrU9xreLZoBuw1wG1aY1Pw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/04/2005 22:55:37 GMT Daylight Time, xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx writes: > I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that > clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like Destinys > Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or > whatever. they bought the whole company, so now SoundForge is by Sony, hopefully they'll plow loads of money into developing it. "He who has rejected his demons badgers us to death with his angels" Henri Michaux www.flickr.com/photos/jpaul23/ --Boundary_(ID_BrU9xreLZoBuw1wG1aY1Pw)-- From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 21:55:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35269-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71937 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:55:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 71927 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:55:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:55:07 +0100 From: Michael Wright <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ACID and Sony In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9 Apr 2005, at 20:36, P. Lasell wrote: > Now that Sony owns Acid I could see them developing an ACID Live that > might fill > the gap, but why bother? It's much better for making mash-ups and > hiphop tracks :) I find this interesting that Sony have bought a software tool that clearly used for mash-ups. A lot of Sony records artists like Destinys Child have been the victim of mash-ups, bootlegs, bastard pop or whatever. You would think they would be against tools that make the job easy. Saying that, there must be reason why a lot of pop singles come with a cappellas. Maybe Sony are using ACID as a carrot to lead donkey bedroom musicians in a direction that benefits the record industry somehow? Hmmm.... actually, that's a bit far fetched... maybe? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Achrid mp3's available at www.achrid.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 19:37:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35268-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33801 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:37:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 33790 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:37:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "P. Lasell" <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live vs memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Nr+jyemDpFmJq2+mk20eMkE50WUkY1f9m8IwaQtYAEOL80JYhEAvBdNqcjUF6IOvn6/RbpjA+jcR+IeOEWl3B0Qm8i+ElTl8ci8EUR5QhWHiXsdm+phx9LeA66rr6M6xupr626ncnET61y5HnO7GV2KQ/feVAzyd9jVyXGVufCo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wasn't ACID originally intended for use as a 'remix' tool? It's initial purpose had little to do with 'live loop-based performance' as far as I recall. I've always thought ACID, paired with Soundforge, were an excellent way to sequence tracks via loops or multitracking. Never occured to me to use it for live performance. Live is good I guess, but personally I don't enjoy working solely from loops when performing, and I think the interface already looks dated. Now that Sony owns Acid I could see them developing an ACID Live that might fill the gap, but why bother? It's much better for making mash-ups and hiphop tracks :) P www.abattoir.com/~flint/index.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 19:03:41 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35267-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24633 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:03:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 24619 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:03:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:02:20 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] tools vs. aesthetics? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002f01c53d36$a956e620$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx andrew benson says; > While I agree that it's good to check the gear-talk > once in awhile, I feel that it is vital to discuss and > consider our tools as an integral part of our > aesthetic. The beauty of working with digital sound > for me is the accessibility of building custom tools > that will do new and unique things. This is very > difficult to do with acoustic instruments. I´m realy not sure this is true. Acoustics have a couple of basic "noise making thingies" such as strings, variations of flutes or reed instruments, "things to hit" perhaps a soundboard or two. Digital synthesis has equivalents of these in the form of algorithems and general pricniples. You can read or write a table or two, you can calculate a function, and so on. Completely, fundamentally, new ways of generating sound don´t grow on the trees in either field. Combining some of those options in either field is quite easy, attaching a rubber band to a cardboard box is not that much harder or simpler then attaching two Csound opcodes to eachother. Making a realy instrument that is both unique to some degree and keeps it´s interest over a few years of practicing playing it and that opens stimulating compositional avenues is quite hard in either field. At least that´s what I think. I admire people who try building something new in either field and enjoy their music in similar ways though. I just think it´s the "building" element that´s important and interesting, not so much the "digital" side. To me trying to play random data files as audio is not that much different from hitting random objects hoping for good sounds either. Just my cents, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 18:47:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35266-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19076 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 18:47:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 19050 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 18:47:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] tools vs. aesthetics? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gW9DedIlGuHcypDnIilzN8ESwnEHR19Ul6BAdTWY6mE49S6FjYK0LHTkcO9T+JZfGX04k2/8DiSXVoGrt7yU8v19zPGfaszpY466GzagXyttm4NyO/fWtCewMVOu22mAeCSZ8ATQvK2IClexBDYMjONbWafR17axyj2l8WBK82M= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx While I agree that it's good to check the gear-talk once in awhile, I feel that it is vital to discuss and consider our tools as an integral part of our aesthetic. The beauty of working with digital sound for me is the accessibility of building custom tools that will do new and unique things. This is very difficult to do with acoustic instruments. The fact that this puts added responsibility on the composer only forces the composer to refine and perfect the whole system. This has been the case in the visual arts for centuries. As a painter, I never really understood pigment until I started mixing my own paints with raw materials. Many ceramicists mine their own clay and build their own kilns. The laptop has allowed musicians and composers to have a more holistic approach to sound and composition. IMHO, electronic music tends to lack an awareness of the tools that goes beyond self-reflexive digital discourse. Programs like Pd, Max, SC, etc. allow for a greater awareness of the molecular aspects of sound. It seems Live is a very popular tool because it fits with many people's aesthetics, or is just the most convenient answer. Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Sat Apr 9 17:57:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35265-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3577 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:57:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 3567 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:57:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VG7pdQCjYYCKvWwriZMQyrCITxYxDqEBK3DjrvQgzT+NP8qoxJzSeUYA8xKJZUnCmdsbAi5IxEcZGJZskknLFKxhcQR+EfDEMNQTK5pnSv5rWsBDaXLjr7JQus4OERJpBbKqlEKmCR+AlpLQUZldalcYXCUZLHt5GV0Zb07nakM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > OTOH: As Pd is not useable without at least a basic > understanding of > general principles in fields like math, sound > synthesis, harmonics, > digital sound processing (or graphics, if you want > to use GEM, Jitter > etc.) it enforces users to deal with this stuff. > However everything > they learn about these topics will be their own > possession from then > on. I agree with this point. Using Max/MSP and Jitter has forced me to aquaint myself with a number of dsp, image processing, mathematics, and general systems theories. All of this knowledge is transferrable to a variety of different activities, including other art forms altogether. > And in your case: As you already have knowledge > about music, sound > etc. your learning curve will be much, much flatter > than for a > complete beginner in this field. > > You won't need 3-4 years, you will just need some > weeks, or 2-3 months > at most. Hey, you even already started to learn > Python, which is > really great to get a grip of some software > development principles, > which aren't even needed to use Pd (but they come in > very handy as you > advance). It only took me a couple of weeks to get the basics down. It helps to have a background in composition, synthesis, etc. I highly recommend The CMT for any shortcomings in that department. Like someone else mentioned, it's like learning a foreign language. It will only enrich your life and force you to understand things on a lower level. andrew Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Sat Apr 9 17:08:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35263-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90438 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:08:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 90425 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:08:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:08:06 +0200 From: marc <x@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Neural n.22 english ed. [Ubermorgen, Staalplaat Soundsystem, Virus, Lessig, Molleindustria...] In-reply-to: <p06210204be77e7c360e8@[10.0.0.1]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06200704be7dbc1f903c@[80.171.99.251]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <p06210204be77e7c360e8@[10.0.0.1]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'd be interested in sending you my label's cd releases but i can't seem to find your address on the website. so if you're interested in receiving the cd's please let me know your address. thanks, marc http://www.dekorder.com >The new printed English edition of Neural is out. >:: http://www.neural.it/n/n22e.htm >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >:: 1 YEAR SUBSCRIPTION! >:: 3 issues + 1 electronic music cd >:: Europe 24,90 euro. >:: World 33,32 U.S: Dollars. >:: http://neural.it/subscribe/ >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >[Neural n.22 contents] >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ><new.media.art> > . 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Sat Apr 9 16:03:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35262-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70004 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:03:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 69994 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:03:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:03:41 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <BE7D7478.948%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE7D7478.948%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I heard a reviewer once say it was a refreshing break from the "I can't believe it's not Mackie" approach to GUI design so prevalent in todays audio apps. k:p On Apr 9, 2005, at 9:00 AM, michael trommer wrote: > On 4/7/05 7:48 PM, "mik" <xxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote: > >> and it looks flashy and modern. > > Err...it's actually extremely, clean, functional and simple, > graphically. No > cheesy 3D emulations, drop-shadows, etc...it's one of the things I like > about the program. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 15:55:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35261-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66150 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:55:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 66140 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:55:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:00:56 -0400 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7D7478.948%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 4/7/05 7:48 PM, "mik" <xxxxx@xxx.xx> wrote: > and it looks flashy and modern. Err...it's actually extremely, clean, functional and simple, graphically. No cheesy 3D emulations, drop-shadows, etc...it's one of the things I like about the program. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 09:32:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35260-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92544 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:32:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 92534 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:32:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:32:36 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Data storage :::: CD-R or DVD-R or Gmail To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c53ce7$125a8000$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Which one of these formats is likely to be the most robust/durable form of backing up audio data? Which one is most likely to be intact in 15 years time? CD-R DVD-R or creating multiple gmail accounts and sending audio data to yourself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 04:43:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35259-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35453 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:43:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 35443 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:43:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:43:11 +0000 From: twonky yup <xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] live acid shrink-warped mulch In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2005 04:43:12.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2C6FD90:01C53CBE] oh, yes, forgot about mulch. that will be a treat to use again, since moving from windows to mac. shrinked shared free or liberated, dont care. just like the end. live has been a great compositional tool and i do quite a lot of improvisational composing on it, and quite a bit of no input performing and non-loop performing as well mic input performing (loop and non-loop), running room tone through sound hack plug-ins. live's wonderful ability to manage panther's memory allotment has a drawback, however. it makes it more difficult to 'break' the software, which has always been a big part of our performance. so we just open lots of other apps to load up the cpu. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 9 04:25:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35258-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29787 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:25:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 29772 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:25:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:25:38 +0000 From: twonky yup <xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] acid live In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2005 04:25:38.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EE95910:01C53CBC] hmm, well, twonky used acid pro and other win_apps running on desktop simul in performance, back in the late 90s and so did random industries. i think seb still uses acid, at least he did a couple years ago, along with cd players. havent upgraded acid since sony, so dont know how the interface is now, but back then it was rather klunky to use in performance, which is rather why twonky liked, made the muscles twitch anticipating failure. of course, if you simply pressed play, it was very smooth. ableton live, on the other hand, was quite a bit more conveniently laid out for improv and the ability to create loops in real-time made it a performance tool. acid, at the same time live was introduced, really didnt seem to be a performance app (again, why twonky liked, to use it as unintended), but more for composition, and, of course, loop construction, but more fun than the propellerhead app. ableton live's ability to record from external sources (as well as using your laptop mic) to create loops as well as run through the live-installed plug-ins made it far more elastic than acid. perhaps sony has integrated that into acid now; i dont know. however, i just set up our old windows 98 desktop, in order to access windows-based web labs (those active x plug-ins) so i'm looking fwd to playing with acid again, but more, the chance to use sound forge (pre-sony, pre-mac port), there are just some certain qualities (idiosyncracies) that forge had that are endearing. y_t --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 16:33:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35246-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7062 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:33:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 7051 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:33:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:33:27 -0700 From: gintas k <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] shrink warp (sic) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: gintas k <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Message-id: <003901c53cac$82c2e7a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> Organization: gintas k MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2005 16:33:30.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2FB4F10:01C53C58] eastern europe........ ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian stewart" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: RE: [microsound] shrink warp (sic) > > Kim Cascone wrote: > >SuperCollider has a definite steep learning curve whereas AudioMulch has > >less of one... > > Not to be pedantic, but I think you mean the reverse- 'steep learning curve' > means 'easy to learn', and SuperCollider is definitely harder to learn than > AudioMulch. Just in case anyone reading isn't familiar with the software... > > See: > > www.computerworld.com/news/2001/story/0,11280,61762,00.html > > for the original usage and mathematical definition of 'learning curve', > which of course is often used now in the exact opposite way it was meant! > > best, > Ian > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 23:30:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35257-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35675 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:30:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 35665 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:30:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 01:27:10 +0200 From: dimitri <xxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OTO ONKYO PLAYLIST To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@x-x-x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi list, this is the last oto onkyo playlist for friday, 08 april. Oto Onkyo is broadcasted in Bordeaux, France on Radio Sauvagine (94.9FM) from 20.30 to 22.00 **thanks to everybody who send me sound materials for this edition Eric Bollmann _ 001 Eric Bollmann _ 002 Wilt _ Depression Modern _ Radio 1940 Montfroyd _ Silence 2 Roberto Pflech _ Kabloomedfulation Musevetabeggle Pirandelo _ Les rendez-vous de mon amour _ Suona Klingelt _ 5 _ Nowaki Klingelt _ 6 _ Nowaki Pirandelo _ Life Could Be Beauty Enough _ Suona Bubultarang _ improvisation 1-17-05 Normablock _ Landing _ from a 1 second 440 khz sine wave _ audiobulb Finkbeiner _ hanes _ Remix 3 Clin d’œil à Neurosystem, 5 ans ça se fête… Frank Breitschneider _ Pneumatic/Airless _ Fabelbuch (v/a) Andrey Kiritchenko _ myth03 _ fabelbuch (v/a) Mpg _ Sine of the times _ from a 1 second 440 khz sine wave _ audiobulb Ian Cromwell _ impression of autumn _ from a 1 second 440 khz sine wave _ audiobulb Won _ #5 _ a forest _ nowaki William Basinski _ The River, Part 2 _ The River _ Raster Noton Eric Bollmann _ 006 cheers, Dimitri --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 22:33:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35254-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72228 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:32:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 72205 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:32:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:33:01 -0700 From: Wakefield <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: NoteAbility Pro In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7C54AD.71AE%xxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_kxvACq+sGQlzXPkE60KUcQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_kxvACq+sGQlzXPkE60KUcQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From the NoteAbilityPro Manual - http://debussy.music.ubc.ca/Helpfiles/OSX/Help/pages/MaxSettingsPanel.html: > The Max Settings panel is used if you want to create Max qlists or Max explode > objects to be used in the Max program developed at IRCAM, Opcode Music, and > Cycle74 Inc. Max is an interactive music environment which runs on Macintosh > computers (Max), in java under linux (JMax) and on Next computers (FTS-Max). > Those who are unfamiliar with Max can ignore this > panel. > > The series of check boxes sets which kinds of NoteAbility images will be > converted into qLists if a Copy All Types command is issued (and the Max qlist > type is set in the Copy Type panel) or if a Save To... Max qlist is performed. > The button determines whether the score tempo is used (rather than mm. 60). > The Time settings determine whether delta times are used between events (this > is normal in max qlists) and whether milliseconds or floating point seconds > are used for the timing information. > > The Generate Explode Code is checked if you want to create Explode code rather > than qlist code (in a Copy All Command.) > > The Play Messages on Max check box is a feature which allows Max messages to > be directly transferred to IRCAM Signal Processing Workstation (ISPW) version > of Max-FTS while the score is playing. In future, this feature may be > available for Max running under Macintosh OS-X. > > The example below shows a score fragment with the corresponding Max qlist > (with delta times > in milliseconds and at a tempo of a quarter note = 120) > [picture omitted] > startMax bang; > 459 ; > note 76 80 4 62; > 532 ; > note 71 80 4 62; > 422 ; > note 73 80 4 62; > 293 ; > note 67 80 4 62; > 202 ; > note 62 80 4 62; > 703 ; > setVol 80; > setChan 4; > 1016 ; > note 75 80 4 2000; > note 71 80 4 2000; > note 64 80 4 2000; > note 57 80 4 2000; > - The Max qlist and explode pasteboard type is ASCII text, so the data can be > pasted into any text application. > - For the complete details on how Max qlists are implemented in NoteAbility > contact Opus 1 Music, Inc. --- Looks at the moment like there is no real-time interaction, only qlists. Qlist seems to be a somewhat archaic method to sequence commands in max, but it wouldn¹t be hard to write a converter to turn the qlist format into a seq~ format for example. If it were possible to write plugins for NAP, an OSC message might be a good option? On 8/4/05 10:34 am, "Kevin Ponto" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I was wondering what thoughts the folks might have one this. I seems to > be much more forgiving of contemporary compositions and the Max > integration is intriguing. I can take replies off-list. > > http://debussy.music.ubc.ca/NoteAbility/index.html > > k:p > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --Boundary_(ID_kxvACq+sGQlzXPkE60KUcQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 22:37:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35255-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74236 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:37:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 74225 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:37:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:31:56 +0100 From: Gavin Stevens <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] ubuntu linux hoary released today In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20050408233156.7461cd62.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Organization: gavmusic MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've been using Ubuntu since January & I am very happy with it. I used Debian before that, which I loved, but the release intervals are getting silly. Ubuntu installed on my P4 2.8GHz machine in 15 minutes - from inserting the CD to showing the Gnome desktop. I have been experimenting with audio software & have achieved some good results (some recording, a bit of MIDI, some databending experiments & converting some mp3 files to ogg vorbis). I originally planned to try Ubuntu for a month, but I don't have any plans to go back to Debian & I shall be upgrading to Ubuntu 5 fairly soon. Gavin. On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:21:34 -0700 Mr.D <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Is anyone using Ubuntu for sound design? > > I have to say, it's one of the smoothest installs I've ever done. Got > it running on my T20, X Win and all, without any headache. Looking > forward to having v5 running tho. > > On Apr 8, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > > the Hoary version of the Ubuntu Debian based Linux distro is out > > today > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 22:21:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35253-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65180 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:21:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 65170 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:21:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:21:34 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] ubuntu linux hoary released today In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Is anyone using Ubuntu for sound design? I have to say, it's one of the smoothest installs I've ever done. Got it running on my T20, X Win and all, without any headache. Looking forward to having v5 running tho. On Apr 8, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > the Hoary version of the Ubuntu Debian based Linux distro is out today --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 19:38:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35252-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93962 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:38:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 93952 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:38:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:38:19 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] the state of laptop linux To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.linuxworld.com/story/49062.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 17:45:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35251-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43016 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:45:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 43006 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:45:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:45:13 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] ubuntu linux hoary released today To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the Hoary version of the Ubuntu Debian based Linux distro is out today the Ubuntu distro is a nice introduction to Linux and for those on PPC platform Ubuntu now has a live cd you can run if you want to check it out without doing a full install...download here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 17:35:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35250-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38230 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:35:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 38220 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:35:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:35:00 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] micro(switch)sound To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, Derek knows, I'm a videogame buff: The japanese mag "Game Watch" has tested arcade joysticks: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl.htm The test not only contains text (japanese) and images but also how the joysticks *sound* as mp3 files. Field recording? For your pleasure: the deep links: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl01.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl02.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl03.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl04.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl05.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl06.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl07.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl08.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl09.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl10.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl11.mp3 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl12.mp3 Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 17:34:32 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35249-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37134 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:34:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 37123 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:34:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:23 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OT: NoteAbility Pro In-reply-to: <BE7C881E.26D5%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE7C881E.26D5%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was wondering what thoughts the folks might have one this. I seems to be much more forgiving of contemporary compositions and the Max integration is intriguing. I can take replies off-list. http://debussy.music.ubc.ca/NoteAbility/index.html k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 17:10:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35248-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24863 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:10:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 24853 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:10:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:12:30 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] firewire interface To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7C881E.26D5%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi microfriends has anybody already had experience with the new firewire audio interface "phase 24" by the german company terratec? http://producerde.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article &sid=5 it seems to be very good and is quite small. good to carry around. i would mostly be interested in it's soundquality. thanx + good weekend to everyone, ralph. -- ..:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 17:09:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35247-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23716 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:09:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 23704 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:09:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:05:38 +0100 (BST) From: AJ Edwards <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Birthday Book To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi I am building a birthday book for myself and would appreciate some quick help from you. Just click on the link below and enter your birthday details. It's easy and you can keep your age secret!... http://www.BirthdayAlarm.com/bd1/38850332a122884400b533596562c730407236d904 Thanks AJ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 16:29:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35245-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4821 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:29:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 4811 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:29:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:29:43 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live vs memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I think the distinction between the two (i.e., 'live performance > instrument' vs studio 'tool') is really a manipulation of perception > or how a marketing dept spins a product... Based a lot on my friend's experience with moving from ACID to Live, I think there's a bigger difference, and it has less to do with marketing than it does functionality. There are things in Live you simply cannot do in ACID that make it better honed to live performance. The live effects manipulation is one, but there are many other aspects of Live which make it more like a looping sampler than ACID is. To my knowledge, ACID only has an arrange mode, which isn't even how a majority of people use Live in performance. In the studio I suspect Live and ACID are more similar. But as a general rule, "live" performance tools are automatically studio tools, in my book. I have a Repeater, and though it has plenty of good studio functionality, it's design helps it function best as a live instrument, and it was envisioned as one. Ableton Live has a similar history, having been written by active performers who needed a way to play their loops in a live setting. Its UI, like the Repeater, is especially customized with live activity in mind, and as a result it has incredible flexibility. matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 16:25:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35244-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 709 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:24:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 699 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:24:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:24:55 +0200 From: "jan.larsson" <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 83.227.119.219 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Report-Abuse-To: xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: mockba X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Actually you are forgetting computer music ;=) I dont think computer music (or electracoustic music) is lacking any non-computer parts. But I think some of this kind of music released lack well worked out composition/detailed implementation. At the same time this is a difficult field - most are working alone and the same person must master composition, sound design, the tools, mixing and then mastering (preparing the end-mix so the artistic intentions survive the intended distribution channel). What I am looking for in a computer music tool is being able to, as direct as possible, express the various methods/algorithms I have selected to work with in a piece. Going direkt from a textbook to getting sound out of the speakers. I've found tools such as Max/MSP and Kyma work real well here (probably also PD and SC, never used them though). This is especially true if I am working from (graphic) notation. You can do the same with Live and a bunch or other of VST:s but I personally dont like working that way - it always seem to alienate me from just thinking about the methods/algorithms and the composition. 2005-04-08 kl. 17.33 skrev Craque: > I think the essence of the discussion is that it's important to > emphasize the NON-computer parts of music making as well as the tools, > which is what I think is missing in a great deal of electronic music > these days. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 15:33:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35243-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75733 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:33:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 75722 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:33:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:33:31 -0700 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree with David here, as a (wannabe) conservatory dropout myself... the computers for me are a tool towards my own goals of making music, which i was trained to do without any aid from computers at all. Someone else mentioned this too, how they used "what worked" for what they needed. I often find myself using this approach: with ideas in mind as mental models I try to find the external ways of realizing them. I think the essence of the discussion is that it's important to emphasize the NON-computer parts of music making as well as the tools, which is what I think is missing in a great deal of electronic music these days. On Apr 7, 2005, at 12:51 PM, David Powers wrote: > Hi Derek, > > I appreciate your perspective greatly. But I might add that I AM a > composer... that's the thing... I've been composing for years already. > Also I've been playing piano and improvising (first jazz, later more > experimental/atonal improv) for 18 years. And some of the pre-packaged > software lets me use the composition knowledge and performance skills I > already have. If I know what I want to achieve as a > composer/performer, > and there is a tool already available that lets me achieve it, why not > use it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 12:08:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35242-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15161 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:08:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 15151 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:08:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:08:26 +0000 From: ian stewart <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] shrink warp (sic) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2005 12:08:26.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB35DE00:01C53C33] Kim Cascone wrote: >SuperCollider has a definite steep learning curve whereas AudioMulch has >less of one... Not to be pedantic, but I think you mean the reverse- 'steep learning curve' means 'easy to learn', and SuperCollider is definitely harder to learn than AudioMulch. Just in case anyone reading isn't familiar with the software... See: www.computerworld.com/news/2001/story/0,11280,61762,00.html for the original usage and mathematical definition of 'learning curve', which of course is often used now in the exact opposite way it was meant! best, Ian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 10:42:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35241-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95569 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:42:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 95547 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:42:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:43:42 -0500 From: john kannenberg <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 7 Apr 2005 19:48:38 -0000 Issue 1387 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 209.86.104.43 X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@mail.stasisfield.com To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06002000be7c0f6755a9@[209.86.104.6]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-ELNK-Trace: 8044adbcdf4a5156069ad2b59907cf439ef193a6bfc3dd489e8770493beb6caf30845cd24f65d3b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Overall, I have to say, not that you are wrong exactly, but that I >think you should make your point a little more narrowly. It's not >always bad to have an efficient, pre-packaged computing solution to a >particular problem. Just because I'm learning PD shouldn't mean I can't >still write other kinds of music that utilize my 18 years experience of >composing and performing. Not everyone who makes good art is a computer >expert (though I hope to be that also someday). Perhaps your critique >applies better to certain genres of computer music creation, but not as >a general statement. This is an excellent point. I think the notion that the only "pure experimental electronic music" can be made using PD or MAX is a bit narrow-minded and misses the point. Does anyone begrudge a composer like Morton Feldman for not building his own piano? You don't have to build your own instruments to be "creative." -- >> john kannenberg [ http://www.johnkannenberg.com ] [ http://www.stasisfield.com ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 06:44:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35240-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34198 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:44:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 34187 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:44:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:43:58 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live vs memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > so far I think the answer is that the marketing and packaging (and all > the attendant abstractions of desire this implies) condition people to > adopt a tool for a particular usage; it is not adopted by forming a > well informed opinion... Your right, people didn't even consider Acid when searching for a performance tool because it wasn't marketed as a performance tool, and it wasn't marketed as a performance tool because it wasn't designed for performance. If I need a really powerful MIDI sequencer, guess what? I'm not going to consider Pro Tools. Even though Pro Tools can handle MIDI sequencing, it's much less suited to the job than some other alternative like DP, Numerology or Logic, and therefore, not marketed to compete on those grounds. > while your A/B comparison list is very helpful I see nothing listed on > it that would preclude one from using ACID as a live performance > instrument... Look, there's nothing stopping people from using Acid for performance, but it's obvious to see why Live could be much more attractive. The ability to assign a physical controller to almost every parameter and the ability to perform most functions including rerecording and editing without missing a beat. You seriously don't see the advantage that could have in a live situation? > I think the posts w/r/t my question make a point when it comes to how > software marketing dept's determine the constraints of an audio > tool... No, while marketing in some areas is admittedly a soulless practice whose priests will certainly burn, audio software, for the most part, isn't one of those areas. Products are advertised to their strengths. Titles like Pro Tools, Acid and Cubase aren't advertised for performance not because the manufacturers don't want you to perform with them (they could care less how you use it) but because these titles aren't suited for those tasks. What would happen if Finale was marketed as a powerful performance tool? They'd be laughed out of the market. Can you use Finale to perform? Sure! Same as you can use a couple of micro-cassette recorders to do multi-track recording sessions, or use a Studer 2" to take notes in class. Are those tasks the best use for those machines? Of course not. > your logic seems to be as follows: 'the package didn't say someone > could use ACID to play live' so it was not used in that manner No, look at it this way. Lets say you go into a store looking for some software that will allow you to perform you music on your laptop. You walk up to the software shelf and you see four software titles. Two of these software titles say things like "Perfect for scoring films, remixing, 5.1 mixing, notation, scoring for websites, etc.", while the other two say things like "Perfect for live performance, extensive realtime control over almost every parameter, record/remix/resample without stopping the music.". You are going to consider the two that say they were built for the purpose you have in mind. If those two turn out to be crappy, you might then start looking around at other options. As it happened though, Live turned out not to be crappy, so word of mouth spread. > ...if this were the case then why did many artists perform live with > Pro Tools, Sound Editor, GranuLab, Soundhack, etc. when laptop > performances starting becoming more commonplace in the late 90's? > these were also considered 'studio tools' and not 'live performance > instruments' yet that didn't prevent people from using them in that > manner... Because due to a lack of performance oriented software, these were the best tools available. Now there is a tool better suited for performance, why shouldn't it be used? > is Ableton's market penetration so deep because it says on the box > that you can use Live for performing live? Yes. And why does it say on the box that it's good for performance? Because it is. And why doesn't Acid say on the box that's it's good for performance? Because it isn't. > I think the distinction between the two (i.e., 'live performance > instrument' vs studio 'tool') is really a manipulation of perception > or how a marketing dept spins a product... Kim, I really respect your writings and your work, but that statement, in this context, is utter nonsense. Live was created specifically for performance, Acid was created specifically for using loops in the studio, and both of the product's features reflect that. Is a Ford pickup better than a Ferrari for hauling bricks simply because the commercial says so? Of course not. The commercial say so because it is. Is the Ferrari faster than the Ford pickup because the commercial says so? Of course not. The Ford was designed to haul bricks and the Ferrari was designed to go fast. I don't see the problem with advertising what your product was designed to do. Here's a question for you. If Live had been an open source project that continued down the exact release path that it has with all the same features, but with no marketing at all and no mention of performance usage, would it have still caught the attention of the performance crowd and bested Acid? k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 05:15:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35239-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10670 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:15:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 10660 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:15:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:14:57 -0400 From: ndkent <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Having used Acid, Live and some of the alternatives... Acid has a name that would never impress high-brow types. You see a whole lot of people using Live and having few serious complaints. That puts it high on the list for new people to check out. People don't switch their more or less primary software unless there is truly limiting and annoying fault or an extremely seductive feature only found in something else. Radial - what is compelling about it? It gets your attention with the interface design and by coming from Cycling '74 - anything else? I tried the demo which seems okay, Some people I'm sure would call the feature set focused, and it may be if it's those features are the only features you need to use. LLOOPP - the price is certainly attractive, no reason not to check it out. It's a much more experimental and perhaps cryptic as a tool. While it certainly loops, I'd think the initial raison d'etre for Acid was tempo matching multiple beat-based loops - and LLOOPP doesn't have the facility. As a tool for experimental music - live or not live - it gets very high ratings from me. It's just very far from being a primary tool to use on commercial tracks. Hint: I'm sure it would be much more popular if it had clear and easy to follow getting started tools. It is very baffling unless you have someone who knows it sitting next to you... and it still might be baffling with patchcord-less module connections and abbreviations. nick http://technopop.info/ndkent/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 03:45:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35238-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86037 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:45:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 86016 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:45:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:45:15 -0400 From: Jonathan Hughes <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live vs memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > your logic seems to be as follows: 'the package didn't say someone > could use ACID to play live' so it was not used in that manner...if > this were the case then why did many artists perform live with Pro > Tools, Sound Editor, GranuLab, Soundhack, etc. when laptop > performances starting becoming more commonplace in the late 90's? > these were also considered 'studio tools' and not 'live performance > instruments' yet that didn't prevent people from using them in that > manner...is Ableton's market penetration so deep because it says on > the box that you can use Live for performing live? > I think the distinction between the two (i.e., 'live performance > instrument' vs studio 'tool') is really a manipulation of perception > or how a marketing dept spins a product... Although I think this is definitely the case with some things, Live really _is_ different. I've done live performances with other software (mainly Digital Performer) and was intrigued by Live after using the demo and realizing that it could do lots of things that would be virtually impossible in other software, and very cumbersome in a live performance. I would bet that most of the people who switched over to Live from other software did it not because of any statement on the packaging, but because it filled a need that wasn't being fulfilled by whatever they were currently using. Sure, I could continue to perform live with Digital Performer, but I couldn't do anywhere near what I can do with Live, and what I could do certainly would not be fluid, and the ability to improvise would be greatly limited. And this is not a matter of me not knowing DP and not being comfortable with it -- I've used it for 10 years and can fly on it in a studio setting -- it's a matter of Live being a really well-designed software that is geared towards live performance. And, as has been mentioned before, Live really comes close to being able to be played as an instrument -- far more than any other software I've ever used (aside from soft synths and samplers). I think there are a lot more deserving targets than Live when it comes to questions of marketing hype. Jonathan _______________________________________________________ Jonathan Hughes www.jonathanhughes.com | www.opalinemusic.com _______________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 02:40:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35237-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64778 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:40:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 64768 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:40:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:45:10 -0400 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live vs memorex In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7B6876.920%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 4/7/05 9:54 PM, "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > well for one thing I don't use Live or ACID in either a live or studio > environment > what it boils down to is this: if people learn to solve their own > problems by gathering information they can ween themselves from the > mediating layer of marketing hype which habitually shapes how people > see/desire and use a product... I agree...in other words, i think you have to use 'live' in order to assess its worth at what it does. Is it just me or does it seem that many people who seem critical of 'live' on this thread have had but limited experience with the product? I find that live is unique and indeed much more like an actual 'instrument' than other DAWs I've used... My 2cents. ....and I'm curious: someone mentioned using soundhack as a live performance tool...how can something that processes files offline be used effectively in a live situation ? Love this program, though. At any rate, I would be careful to distinguish the functionality of a piece of software from the politics of free/shareware vs. commercially-sold products...i can certainly see how someone who has spent hours tweaking something to get a sound in PD might get a little more defensive about what they use than someone running a krak of fruity loops or whatever... Anyway...gonna go mash my mpc. 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Fri Apr 8 02:05:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35236-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51999 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:05:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 51989 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:05:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:04:58 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <606-SnapperMsgF4585520BE7B977D@[68.26.152.121]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx learning software to use as your instrument is exactly the same when you are learning bel-canto singing, or studying an acoustic instrument. it takes time and patience and time and perseverance and time; i've done all three! :) and the discipline is just as important. ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 01:55:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35235-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47774 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:54:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 47764 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:54:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:54:49 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] live vs memorex To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > All of these reasons (which by the way, seem so terribly obvious > that=20 > I'm left wondering about the motives of your questions) contributed > to=20= well for one thing I don't use Live or ACID in either a live or studio environment (although I have used both of them in the past for small projects) but more importantly I am not necessarily looking for posts that answer my question so much as reveal the underlying cause of the problem... so far I think the answer is that the marketing and packaging (and all the attendant abstractions of desire this implies) condition people to adopt a tool for a particular usage; it is not adopted by forming a well informed opinion... while your A/B comparison list is very helpful I see nothing listed on it that would preclude one from using ACID as a live performance instrument... I think the posts w/r/t my question make a point when it comes to how software marketing dept's determine the constraints of an audio tool... your logic seems to be as follows: 'the package didn't say someone could use ACID to play live' so it was not used in that manner...if this were the case then why did many artists perform live with Pro Tools, Sound Editor, GranuLab, Soundhack, etc. when laptop performances starting becoming more commonplace in the late 90's? these were also considered 'studio tools' and not 'live performance instruments' yet that didn't prevent people from using them in that manner...is Ableton's market penetration so deep because it says on the box that you can use Live for performing live? I think the distinction between the two (i.e., 'live performance instrument' vs studio 'tool') is really a manipulation of perception or how a marketing dept spins a product... what it boils down to is this: if people learn to solve their own problems by gathering information they can ween themselves from the mediating layer of marketing hype which habitually shapes how people see/desire and use a product... one of the nice things about audio FLOSS is that it usually doesn't rely on marketing hype to sell itself and people are encouraged download and experiment with it to see if it fits their needs...there is no artificial layer of value added to a product; the product is what the software does... > Have we become obsessed with our > tools to the detriment of our aesthetics? we shape the tools and then they shape us... I see no difference between my tools and my work/aesthetics...they are not separate and to think they are is seeing each with distinct boundaries instead of a holistic process; a system in which all the parts create one another...the tool informs the music as much as the music informs the tool; it is one smooth surface from which the music emerges; there is no difference to me between researching something on say, projective geometry or sitting down to creat the patch in Max/MSP or performing the piece live to hard drive...its all part of the same system... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 01:50:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35234-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44961 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:50:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 44951 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:50:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:49:48 -0700 From: "Mr.D" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Realtime Tools In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <557-SnapperMsgF4585520BE7B93C5@[68.26.152.121]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i have a friend who used ACID for a long time before i got him to try Live, and once he did so was hooked. the big diff for him was that he could do realtime manipulation of fx, and subsequently record automation. i dont believe Acid will let you record new loops while others are playing (maybe it does now). and of course before Live, there wasnt ANYTHING comparable to Acid & loop arrangment on the mac. i know when i first used it i loved its UI, which is still one of the best out there. the first two tracks i did in live were done very speedily, just using samples pulled from my improv shows: http://craque.net/mp3/putain/craque-doorsclosing.mp3 http://craque.net/mp3/jawbone/craque-ricycle.mp3 ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 8 22:38:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35256-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75737 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:38:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 75726 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:38:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:48:38 +0200 From: mik <xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <002401c53bbc$a6a0be90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002401c53bbc$a6a0be90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David @ Audiobulb schreef: > Live has the functionality and it literally has the name/brand. Many > people like literal and clear applications. and it looks flashy and modern. -- -------------------------------------------- ----------- http://www.mprims.tk -------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 23:42:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35233-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89727 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:42:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 89717 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:42:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Rooney <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.x> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > To bring it back on-topic a little, it seems unavoidable that there can > no longer be any discussions of technique that don't keep coming back to > tools and interfaces again and again. Have we become obsessed with our > tools to the detriment of our aesthetics? Is music making just > unthinkable now without reference to the specific tool which will be > used to carry out the musical ideas? > I guess I don't think laptoppers are at heart any different than all other musicians on this topic. Ever talk to an acoustic bass player about strings? or a percussionist about handmade mallets? Or an electric guitar player about ... ? you get the picture :) Music making (like other art forms) depends heavily on technical know-how. I'm not saying we all have to be heavy virtuosos, but we do need to know our tools. And as far as I can tell, its been this way for a long long time. Bach wrote a piece for "Well-Tempered Clavier" -- sounds to me like a guy obsessed with a specific tool :) my .02 /sean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 23:38:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35232-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86250 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:38:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 86240 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:38:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:37:57 +0200 From: "jan.larsson" <xxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@x-x.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 83.227.119.219 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Report-Abuse-To: xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: mockba X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This article from Computer Music Journal discuss these features of a computer music system. It is written by one of the creators of the Kyma system so it may be considered marketing but sttil it made me much more aware of these matters. http://www.symbolicsound.com/zzz/pub/Learn/EssaysOnSoundAndAudio/ Scalettiv26n4p69-82.pdf "... all of the software examples included in this symposium (along with some others that are not represented here) belong to a special category of computer music software called computer music languages. Most software packages can be classiÂŽfied as utilities; they perform a well defined, familiar function that is needed by a large number of people. A software package that emulates all the functions of the traditional multi-track recording studio would be one example of a utility. But the pieces of software that Eric Lyon has chosen to include in this symposium are different; they are examples of computer music languages. A language provides one with a ÂŽfinite set of ’’words’’ and a ’’grammar’’ for combining these words into phrases, sentences, and paragraphs to express an inÂŽ nite variety of ideas. A language does not do anything on its own; one uses a language to express one’s own thoughts and ideas. This is what makes these particular software packages so open, extensible, and useable in ways unanticipated by their authors. And that is why, although they may never command the same market share as utilities, they have had a longer-lasting and deeper inÂfluence on the evolution of music." 2005-04-07 kl. 21.20 skrev derek holzer: > In short, the reason I spent the time that I did learning how to work > with PD and other kinds of open environments was that I didn't want to > feel like I was trapped in someone else's idea of how to make music. > And more than that, I felt that the tools I use to make art shouldn't > reply on consumer marketing trends, "user friendliness" or how well > they imitate expensive or rare pieces of music hardware from other > eras in order to ensure their development and lasting support. For me > it was about freedom from all that, and I don't regret a moment spent > "not creating" so I could learn. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 23:11:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35231-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74703 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:10:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 74687 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:10:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:10:46 +0100 From: slow sound system <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [london] john chantler, function live : 17 april To: Ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Dorkbot London <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, DorkbotLondon-Blabber <xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>, IDM <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, lowercase sound <xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, foundry news <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx>, Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Wire Announcements <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004601c53bc7$0990c360$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vGo2OLXGoOerQtX+lqsQow)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 23:11:27.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[2031EA40:01C53BC7] --Boundary_(ID_vGo2OLXGoOerQtX+lqsQow) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SLOW SOUND SYSTEM LIE DOWN AND BE COUNTED ------- THE FOUNDRY : 17 APRIL 2005 : 3-8PM ------- 'Quality avant chillage' BBCi 'Unadulterated bliss .' RESONANCE FM ------- The slow sound system explores ambient listening, new electronica and pixel manipulation. This month we showcase new sounds from the Southern hemisphere. John Chantler's delicate electro-acoustic avant-guitar and laptop excursions reach us from Brisbane, via rural Japan and Tulse Hill. Fellow Oz expat Function aka Matt Nicholson lays down mesmerizing psych-pop, microsonics and deep, sleepy drones. Resident djs iMax and Albert back up with digitals and soundscaping, plus we have digital artworks and flash workouts from Janek Ropinsky. Full details follow. ------ ARTIST BIOS John Chantler (Fat Cat / Room40 / Piehead / Hello Square) (aus/uk) : non-place guitar, drums + laptop excursions John Chantler is an exciting talent. Resident of Brisbane, rural Japan and now South London, John has developed his sound from organic electronics to his current interests in exploratory electro-acoustics, messy guitars and a loose spin on rhythm. John's acclaimed first album, Monoke was released on Lawrence English's Room40 label in 2002. He's kept busy since then, with a limited edition album on Piehead, Locked in Hands, curating a series of 10" vinyl for Room40, an online release for Fat Cat (recorded with Japanese artists Saya, Takashi Ueno and Koji Shibuya) and the beyond-underground 'Swedish Folksong Project'. John's performed alongside Mum, Janek Schaefer, DJ Olive, Ami Yoshida and Taku Sugimoto. Just back from another Japanese trip, he also spins a mix of psych-pop, electronica and krautrock at Waiting for the Picture Bus, a bi-weekly session at Escape in Herne Hill. 'Melody on hammered strings . robust and driven' THE WIRE 'Monoke is the first in a series of essential recordings' THE MILK FACTORY 'Intelligent and subtle . maybe think Tortoise jamming with the Black Dog?' SMALLFISH 'Nice slice of post-millennial electronica' PITCHFORKMEDIA 'Utterly absorbing and resonant work' FIRST PAST THE POST ------ Function / Matt Nicholson (Fat Cat / Hello Square / Wonderground / Love & Mercy) (aus / uk) : mutant pop, microsonics + sleepy drone Function is Matt Nicholson and an ever-shifting set of collaborators in London, Melbourne and spaces in between. Function's sound is equally hard to pin down, taking in ecstatic pop, microscopic soundwork, slices of orchestral instrumentation and deep Eastern drones. Key reference points include The Books, Ekkehard Ehlers, Fennesz, Pluramon, Philip Jeck, Sufjan Stevens, Susumu Yokota, Rafael Toral or Town & Country. Another busy artist - expect an online release for FatCat very shortly - Matt has assembled 10 hours of soundtracks for the sacred art suites of Advaitayana Buddhist Master Adi Da . for us he will be performing new material solo, including manipulated improvisation of various acoustic sources and field recordings culled from all over the globe. Expect mesmerising, heartfelt, subtly orchestrated electro-acoustic collage. 'One of this year's most intriguing releases . an ambition to make something entirely new out of a very tired form' THE DEEP END, ABC 'The finest album to emerge from Australia this year. .this is magical music, hot shit, serious, suffocating and sparse, and aesthetically exquisite.' ADEQUACY.NET 'A stunning masterwork of intriguing musical delights' MONO.NET 'A subtle eclectic expansive epic' SCENE ------ RESIDENTS iMax, Albert (Grain Of Sound, 8Bitrecs, KabukiKore) (uk/fr) : decks + FX Janek Ropinsky (Hardman Bros, Pop-Up Recs) (d) : flashwerks, digital sublime ------ DETAILS Sunday 17 April, 3-8pm, free admission The Foundry, 84-86 Great Eastern St, London, ec2 : 0207 739 6900 : xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx : www.foundry.tv xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx www.slowsound.net ------ CHECK http://www.inventingzero.net http://www.functionensemble.com http://www.room40.org http://www.kabukikore.net http://www.8bitrecs.com http://www.hardmanbros.com http://www.jayropinsky.kliklak.net Ends slow sound system lie down and be counted xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx www.slowsound.net ----- in league w/ [no.signal] | not clickable | sonomu | highpointlowlife | midrange | frequenzen ----- ----- new! live sets archive w/motion, recon, crucial felix/timeblind, sebastien roux, adam butler/vert and more http://www.slowsound.net 'small pieces', every friday on Resonance 101.4fm, midnight-1am GMT http://www.resonancefm.com 'there is no hidden meaning', out now on kabuki kore http://www.kabukikore.net ----- ----- london headphones festival 2004 http://www.state51.org/placard 'midrange sessions', forthcoming on coombe records http://www.coomberecords.com slow sound system vs. posset, 'entropy sessions' out now on kabuki kore http://www.kabukikore.net 'first steps' out now on grain of sound http://www.grainofsound.com imax photogallery : kill yr speed http://www.lomohomes.com/imax [no.signal] : promoters of genius http://no-signal.net highpointlowlife : bitmpapped indie goodness since 98 http://www.highpointlowlife.com sprawl club @ charterhouse http://www.sprawl.org.uk frequenzen, fortnightly on resonance 104.4fm http://www.frequenzen.co.uk sonomu : sound noise music http://www.sonomu.net kultureflash : headlines from london http://www.kultureflash.net ----- no? reply to this email with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. --Boundary_(ID_vGo2OLXGoOerQtX+lqsQow)-- From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 23:09:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35230-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73540 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:09:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 73530 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:09:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:09:09 +0000 From: scott allison <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 23:09:10.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE703270:01C53BC6] There is even a alternative to Radial called LLOOPP (http://lloopp.klingt.org/start.html), lloopp is free, Radial is not. -Scott >Fwiw, > >there is an alternative to Live that addresses the same need (loop-based >performance in a live setting where dropouts, loadtimes and glitches -- no >offense intended -- are not an option): > > http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 22:55:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35229-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68239 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:55:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 68228 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:55:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:54:59 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Obsessed with our tools ;) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > To bring it back on-topic a little, it seems unavoidable that there can > no longer be any discussions of technique that don't keep coming back > to > tools and interfaces again and again. Have we become obsessed with our > tools to the detriment of our aesthetics? Is music making just > unthinkable now without reference to the specific tool which will be > used to carry out the musical ideas? > > Instead of ignoring the damn fiddles like Beethoven, we spend most of > the time obsessing about them... ;) > > ~David I can imagine a conversation between romantic composers about which city's orchestras were able to realize their vision better than others (though I don't think they had a discussion list). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 22:15:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35228-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51149 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:15:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 51139 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:15:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:18:25 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I use Live 4. I have a cheap plastic Evolution UC33 that I use, and I have 8 Live channels with volume controlled by the 8 sliders, + 32 knobs (and laptop keystrokes) to control built in and VST FX. The program is loaded up with around 120 ENTIRE SONGS (very few loops) beat matched, including much original material. I could also use all MIDI tracks and do a truly "live" set if I wanted. Using Live is kind of like DJing with 8 beat matched (or not) turntables at once. I used to use Acid but I don't remember it having functionality anything like this. Of course,what I do isn't really "live" as much as it is digitally DJing, I do not bill myself as a "live" act if I am performing this way, but as a laptop DJ. I use Live primarily as a replacement for vinyl. It lets me be more creative and complex in the collages that I create on the fly. On the more microsound tip, I've done experimental things with Ableton Live too, by just turning off the beat matching, using original source material recordings, and using more esoteric effects, but I realize now this can probably be done just as well with Audiomulch. Although I will note that the time stretch in Live can be used in unusual ways to produce some interesting digital artifacts, if you purposely put markers in the wrong places. To bring it back on-topic a little, it seems unavoidable that there can no longer be any discussions of technique that don't keep coming back to tools and interfaces again and again. Have we become obsessed with our tools to the detriment of our aesthetics? Is music making just unthinkable now without reference to the specific tool which will be used to carry out the musical ideas? Instead of ignoring the damn fiddles like Beethoven, we spend most of the time obsessing about them... ;) ~David >>> xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx 04/07/05 04:34PM >>> --Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> [050407 13:27]: > >Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared > >towards performance, while Acid was not. > in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > please describe? Because in acid you couldn't click a little button and then assign a keyboard key or a MIDI controller to just about any control that exists in the interface. Live makes it very easy to control what's coming out of your laptop without having to mouse around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:59:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35227-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41853 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:59:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 41838 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:59:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:59:42 +0200 From: mario masullo / dsp recs <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] SINTESI FESTIVAL 2005 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7B79EE.110AD%xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OHiKu+5miz/QXvICcFcwpg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_OHiKu+5miz/QXvICcFcwpg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi from Sintesi staff, this email is dedicated to audio-live and multimedia di sintesi. s.severo al pendino church - (via duomo, 282) - naples AUDIO-LIVE 8 april from 8,00 pm Philippe Petit He started Djing, animating radio shows and editing zines in the mid-80s. In the 90’s founded the experimental label Pandemonium Rdz. www.pandemoniumrecords.com. 41 records later, he needed to rejuvenate and started a new label. BiP_HOp was physically born in 2000 and will document avant electro for the century to come... (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=petitfra&cont ent=festival Teho Teardo Italian musician, composer and sound designer, he releases 2 albums as M.T.T. in the late 80’s, in the first one titled “Caught From Behind†collaborates with Nurse With Wound and Ramleh. After this experience starts a band, Meathead, the band released 4 albums and collaborated with many bands from the underground international scene like Pain Teens, Zeni Geva, Bewitched, Cop Shoot Cop. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=teardo&conten t=festival Freiband Freiband is the latest project by Frans de Waard, also founding member of Kapotte Muziek, Beequeen, Goem as well as solo projects such as Shifts and Quest. Frans de Waard has been producing music since the mid 80s, firstly on cassettes in the 80s and then on LPs and CD's afterthat. Freiband was inspired by the tape-scratching of Asmus Tietchens on his CD 'Daseinsverfehlung', but here applied to an entirely digital context. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=freiband&cont ent=festival Semiconductor Semiconductor (UK) is a duo founded in 1997. It is composed by Ruth Jarman, born in and Joseph Gerhardt, born in Oxford, 1972. At Sintesi they will present Sonic Inc synopsis. This is the Semiconductors latest contribution of live cinema and is their dedicated live performance with software a real-time 3D drawing tool, where creations are realized by inputs and user interaction, producing dynamic audio created, environments. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=semiconductor &content=festival Frank Bretschneider Was born and raised up in East Germany, after childhood and school in Karl-M a r x-Stadt (now Chemnitz), graphic and painting studies... started his first electronic music experiments in 1984 with a strong interest in the interaction between graphic and music... in 1996 co - founding the label Rastermusik (now raster-noton with Carsten Nicolai)... lives as freelance musician and composer in Berlin. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=bretschneider &content=festival 9 april from 8,00 pm Ulrich Troyer Ulrich Troyer, born on 1973 in Innsbruck, but socialized in South Tyrol, lives in Vienna. With architectural studies at the TU-Wien (Sigrid Hauser)and at the Universität für Musik und Darstellende Kunst, Vienna (Guitar and Elektroacoustic Music) he is a performer, an artist, a musician. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=troyer&conten t=festival Mark Fell Mark Fell grew up in Sheffield (UK) where from an early age he was drawn into the city’s vibrant electronic art and music scene. He currently lives and works in Sheffield where he founded snd and Shirt Trax (released on Mille Plateaux and Touch/Or). Mark’s most recent project is on Line (New York) exploring a mix of mathematics, contemporary philosophy and human experience. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=fell&content= festival Goem Goem started mid 1996 when Roel Meelkop gave Frans de Waard a small electronic device, which he found in a thriftshop in Rotterdam. The device was called the Student Stimulator. Until today it is unknown what it was used for, but most likely it was part of a research program exploring the mysteries of human sleep. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=goem&content= festival Monolake “I was born in 1969 in munich. I was fascinated by technology, wanted to be an enigneer. Some day I discovered Oxygene by Jean Michel Jarre. I listened to it again and again. I started doing stupid jobs after school and finally I had enough money to by a Roland Juno-6. I made strange electronic sound collages and played in a bad gothic band. In 1990 I moved to Berlin. City of techno and of the Elektronische Studio der Technischen Universität. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=monolake&cont ent=festival MULTIMEDIA 8/9 april from 6,00 pm CD-ROM Oginoknauss - 3plicity Triplicity explores the global metropolitan space, through collation between production of human space and urban textuality (…) Nostatic – Strane cose http://www.nostatic.it/ VIDEO One Minute Suite One Minute Suite is a work in progress project by Andrea Mi and realized in collaboration with Sintesi. The video collection include the contributes of most representative djs, producers and musicians of international scene called for the production of a musical micro-suite of one minute (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=oneminute&con tent=festival Giulia Mainenti – Nitido (video, dv, 13’) Born in 1975 in Trieste. Reflections about paradox, ambiguity, multiplicity of being are the main conceptual elements of Giulia’s works. The artist begins working on body/identity and the various possibility of mutations (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=nitido&conten t=festival Audiovisions3 The third edition of new audiovisual works which have demonstrated an enormous variety of production methods in the past few years. They were produced in a close cooperation of video artists and musicians from Austria’s electronic scene. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=audvisual&con tent=festival Timo Novotny http://www.vidok.org <http://www.vidok.org/> Art of Speed http://www.nike.com/nikelab/usa/episode_3/index.jhtml 9 april from 6,30 pm Granular Synthesis – Immersive Works A survey of works produced by Granular-Synthesis in recent years. Kurt Hentschläger and Ulf Langheinrich have been working together as Granular-Synthesis since 1991. Focusing on the synaesthetic relationship of sound and image, the Austrian artists present their compositions in large-scale, immersive performances which, in line with best avant-garde traditions, generate remarkable-and occasionally shocking-levels of emotional intensity. (…) http://www.sintesi.na.it/005/artisti.php?subcontent=fest&conte=granular&cont ent=festival tickets: 1 day: 10€ / 2 days (8+9 april): 15€ Next focus will be dedicated to sintesi night. Check out the program day by day on www.sintesi.na.it <http://www.sintesi.na.it> info: +39.081.7611221 - xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx --Boundary_(ID_OHiKu+5miz/QXvICcFcwpg)-- From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:56:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35226-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39697 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:56:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 39681 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:56:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:56:26 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002401c53bbc$a6a0be90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Live has the functionality and it literally has the name/brand. Many people like literal and clear applications. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Ponto" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo On Apr 7, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared >> towards performance, while Acid was not. > in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > please describe? >> Ableton was also blessed with >> incredible timing when they released Live, and it was a pretty good >> answer to the growing question of what the emerging laptop masses were >> going to do on stage. > ah OK I think the keyword here is 'laptop'...but still doesn't answer my > questions as to why ACID was not adopted by the laptop music market and > Live was... Well, I think it comes down to marketing and functionality. The marketing of Acid has never focused, and as far as I know, even mentioned the use of Acid for live performance... ever. It's always been sold as a studio tool. A versitile studio tool, but still a studio tool. I can find no such mention of a suggested live application of Acid in any press releases, product sheets or advertisements from any versions past or present. I quote from various press releases on Acid: On Acid Pro 5: "ACID Pro software is the tool of choice for millions of industry professionals who want to create songs, remix tracks, produce 5.1 surround audio mixes, develop music beds, score videos, and much more." "ACID software provides the most powerful, user-friendly environment for everything from basic song creation to complex video scoring." "it was the first loop-based music creation application to put professional studio composition and editing power in the hands of producers at nearly every level of expertise" On Acid Pro 4 "Use Acid to create songs, remix tracks, produce 5.1 surround audio mixes, develop music beds, score videos, and create music for websites and Flash® animations" Acid Pro 3 " Sonic Foundry's ACID pro is an award-winning loop-based music creation tool. It allows you to create original, royalty-free music in minutes. This revolutionary tool is simple and easy to use. Use it to produce songs, remix tracks, create music beds, score videos, and add music to Web sites" So I think we can safely conclude that Acid was never marketed as a live performance tool, and if it was, it was not done so in any noticeable amount. This would play a huge role in why Acid never took off for live performance. The same reason that most iPods aren't purchased so that one can read books off the screen. Sure, it can be done, but that's not what it was designed for and that certainly isn't how it's marketed. Live on the other hand, aside from being called "Live" has always been marketed as a tool for live performance. It's been marketed as a "Sequencing Instrument", using the word "Instrument" implies "playability", and it said so in huge letters right on the front of the box up until version 4. The marketing emphasizes that just about every feature that Live offers can be done so without ever stopping the music, and it's true. As far as functionality, I'll do my best to compare, though feel free to correct me as it's been many years since I've worked with Acid. -Live offers non-linear looping. Acid as far as I know, does not. -Live offers realtime resampling with quantization. Acid as far as I know, does not. -Live has extensive MIDI mapping, just about every knob/button/fader can be assigned to MIDI control. Acid as far as I know, does not. -Live was designed from the ground up by a couple of guys who needed software to perform their music Live. Acid was designed as a studio tool for loop sequencing. -Live was available for mac. Acid wasn't. -And on and on and on... All of these reasons (which by the way, seem so terribly obvious that I'm left wondering about the motives of your questions) contributed to Live's success over Acid on stage. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:55:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35225-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38624 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:55:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 38613 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:55:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:55:46 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > All of these reasons (which by the way, seem so terribly obvious that > I'm left wondering about the motives of your questions) Unless of course it was a genuine inquiry. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:55:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35224-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37585 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:55:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 37572 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:55:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:55:16 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live In-reply-to: <BE7B23AC.908%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=d8L33bJagt4GrwH2axEP6D9NOf95Wt4IaHLgby/T7pPdkRetpbeo/1GbXUS52Pc5pMZB9Hz6k5i08v+lnNebIiHsQ+CgUSHGhFvWwX5/bn/xK7nLBmdnMjXw1k7pTj5BlDRca13+BC1viJH02BrN821S1czz7IEfolvumx8YB9s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <BE7B23AC.908%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One nice thing about Acid is that you can use mp3 files directly. I think that Live has trouble with these files due to the granular warp utilities. ~Kyle On Apr 7, 2005 4:51 PM, michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > On 4/7/05 4:35 PM, "Jonathan Hughes" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > >> in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > >> please describe? > > > > > > Acid seems more like a regular DAW, but with a heavy focus on using and > > manipulating loops, while Live was designed for live peformance, so > > although it can use a linear timeline (like Acid), it has a lot of > > features that make it very easy to arrange, trigger, manipulate, effect, > > and mix audio on the fly. > > > > It's been a long time since I played around with Acid, but I don't recall > > it having any of the things that make Live so nice for live performance > > (or at least they weren't implemented in such an intuitive way as they are > > in Live). > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:53:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35223-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36258 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:53:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 36247 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:53:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:53:37 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared >> towards performance, while Acid was not. > in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > please describe? >> Ableton was also blessed with >> incredible timing when they released Live, and it was a pretty good >> answer to the growing question of what the emerging laptop masses were >> going to do on stage. > ah OK I think the keyword here is 'laptop'...but still doesn't answer > my questions as to why ACID was not adopted by the laptop music market > and Live was... Well, I think it comes down to marketing and functionality. The marketing of Acid has never focused, and as far as I know, even mentioned the use of Acid for live performance... ever. It's always been sold as a studio tool. A versitile studio tool, but still a studio tool. I can find no such mention of a suggested live application of Acid in any press releases, product sheets or advertisements from any versions past or present. I quote from various press releases on Acid: On Acid Pro 5: "ACID Pro software is the tool of choice for millions of industry professionals who want to create songs, remix tracks, produce 5.1 surround audio mixes, develop music beds, score videos, and much more." "ACID software provides the most powerful, user-friendly environment for everything from basic song creation to complex video scoring." "it was the first loop-based music creation application to put professional studio composition and editing power in the hands of producers at nearly every level of expertise" On Acid Pro 4 "Use Acid to create songs, remix tracks, produce 5.1 surround audio mixes, develop music beds, score videos, and create music for websites and Flash® animations" Acid Pro 3 " Sonic Foundry's ACID pro is an award-winning loop-based music creation tool. It allows you to create original, royalty-free music in minutes. This revolutionary tool is simple and easy to use. Use it to produce songs, remix tracks, create music beds, score videos, and add music to Web sites" So I think we can safely conclude that Acid was never marketed as a live performance tool, and if it was, it was not done so in any noticeable amount. This would play a huge role in why Acid never took off for live performance. The same reason that most iPods aren't purchased so that one can read books off the screen. Sure, it can be done, but that's not what it was designed for and that certainly isn't how it's marketed. Live on the other hand, aside from being called "Live" has always been marketed as a tool for live performance. It's been marketed as a "Sequencing Instrument", using the word "Instrument" implies "playability", and it said so in huge letters right on the front of the box up until version 4. The marketing emphasizes that just about every feature that Live offers can be done so without ever stopping the music, and it's true. As far as functionality, I'll do my best to compare, though feel free to correct me as it's been many years since I've worked with Acid. -Live offers non-linear looping. Acid as far as I know, does not. -Live offers realtime resampling with quantization. Acid as far as I know, does not. -Live has extensive MIDI mapping, just about every knob/button/fader can be assigned to MIDI control. Acid as far as I know, does not. -Live was designed from the ground up by a couple of guys who needed software to perform their music Live. Acid was designed as a studio tool for loop sequencing. -Live was available for mac. Acid wasn't. -And on and on and on... All of these reasons (which by the way, seem so terribly obvious that I'm left wondering about the motives of your questions) contributed to Live's success over Acid on stage. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:46:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35222-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33329 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:46:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 33311 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:46:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:51:40 -0400 From: michael trommer <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] live In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7B23AC.908%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 4/7/05 4:35 PM, "Jonathan Hughes" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? >> please describe? > > > Acid seems more like a regular DAW, but with a heavy focus on using and > manipulating loops, while Live was designed for live peformance, so > although it can use a linear timeline (like Acid), it has a lot of > features that make it very easy to arrange, trigger, manipulate, effect, > and mix audio on the fly. > > It's been a long time since I played around with Acid, but I don't recall > it having any of the things that make Live so nice for live performance > (or at least they weren't implemented in such an intuitive way as they are > in Live). > > > > Jonathan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:24:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35221-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24833 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:24:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 24821 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:24:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:34:21 -0700 From: Dave Watson <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> [050407 13:27]: > >Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared > >towards performance, while Acid was not. > in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > please describe? Because in acid you couldn't click a little button and then assign a keyboard key or a MIDI controller to just about any control that exists in the interface. Live makes it very easy to control what's coming out of your laptop without having to mouse around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 21:05:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35220-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14963 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:05:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 14953 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:05:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/812/Thu Apr 7 01:29:50 2005 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Fwiw, there is an alternative to Live that addresses the same need (loop-based performance in a live setting where dropouts, loadtimes and glitches -- no offense intended -- are not an option): http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:48:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35219-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7284 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:47:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 7274 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:47:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:47:50 +0100 From: "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx marketing. marketing. marketing. ableton are the mcdaddies of marketing. giving free copies to big-name djs - hawtin etc, its a combo of good placement and good timing - they hit the market hard and at a good time. (in the same way the pioneer/technics) give large name djs free CDJ 1000's and the DVJ's in order to popularise new products ( i know for a fact that Senor R. Sanchez has been given a DVJ to tour with by Pioneer in a cynical attempt to promote the toy, not because he is a talented VJ, but becuase he is a big name DJ, its a no-brainer) . it's an old, but effective trick. In the same way that the qwerty keyboard won the typewriter war, - small piece if myth v fact here: the qwerty keyboard is no better than an a-z keyboard, it was just a better marketing gimmick for Royal typewriters, they could mass train salesmen without their needing to actually be able to spell, or type, qwerty was designed to for salesmen to be able to demonstrate how quickly they could type, without looking, as in office managers of the early 20thC could be wowed by how quick u can type with a Royal.... - or another example - the internal combustion engine killed the steam engine (thanks to Ford Motor co for mass production, not because it was any better a product, simply bcoz it was sold better, and manufactured more efficiently)- that's why live is so popular. i doubt it's any "better" in terms of coding or usability, it's just sold a whole lot better. All said and done, I admit i use ableton now and again, but these days, I spend most of my time messing with Apache config files and rewrite rulez... diggah. Kim Cascone wrote: >> Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared >> towards performance, while Acid was not. > > in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > please describe? > > >> Ableton was also blessed with >> incredible timing when they released Live, and it was a pretty good >> answer to the growing question of what the emerging laptop masses were >> going to do on stage. > > ah OK I think the keyword here is 'laptop'...but still doesn't answer > my questions as to why ACID was not adopted by the laptop music market > and Live was... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:43:36 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35218-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5318 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:43:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 5308 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:43:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:43:27 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] shrink warp (sic) To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I wasn't dismissing shrink wrapped software (as my environment of choice Max/MSP clearly IS shrink wrapped); I'm just trying to get more people to take control over their software environments and make their own tools...it just so happens that most of the popular tool making environments happen to be non-shrink wrapped or FLOSS and some people have an aversion to checking out open source software due to a mistaken stigma that most of it is crap-ware... aside: I have been using browsers since I migrated from Lynx to Netscape in 1993 and I am quite happy with Mozilla 1.7.5 thank you (both Safari and IE suck donkey comparitively)...I run Linux on my 12" iBook and while it is a challenge to debug sometimes (certain installs, deps issues, etc) I now do all my writing in Open Office - and after using Word for 10 years I say OO beats it to a pulp...I have to say that I find myself MUCH more productive in the Linux environment than in OS X...but I digress... all of the graphical programming environments are worth checking out and any learning curve wholly depends on what you want to do with that particular tool...I think the number one impression that people have (and are scared off by) is of some huge mythical learning curve that will prevent them from using that sort of tool...some are better than others...e.g. SuperCollider has a definite steep learning curve whereas AudioMulch has less of one...but again if you want to load samples and shove them thru a VST plug and record to disc this is pretty simple and might just be a matter of tweaking an existing patch...remember: most programmers tend to leverage as much already written code as possible and this like working with Max/MSP, PD, SC or AM or whatever: open examples, download patches, play around with them, take them apart, modify them, add features you like, learn as you go...I don't know anyone who is a serious Max programmer who always builds from the ground up every time they build something new...an important aspect of open source is building on prior work...this is important; the world of knowledge would be stuck in the middle-ages without it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:43:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35217-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4340 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:43:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 4330 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:43:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:43:10 -0500 From: Gregory Taylor <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Open choices, open sources, open mouth :-) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim Cascone provides some food for thought: > (sidebar question: why did Ableton Live become so wildly popular when > Sonic Foundry's ACID had been out for some time before Live was > introduced to the market?) Because after ACID 1.0 came out, the absolutely obvious choice would have been to work on creating a version or interface and set of features geared for live performance. For whatever reason (I expect it had to do with an in-house product competing for scarce engineering resources, but I could be wrong), that never happened. The more interesting essay question for me is slightly different: Why was it that Live went out the door and became a kind of scratchpad *production* rather than *performance* environment right away? My own and somewhat limited experience with Live live is that its identification with a certain kind of output is largely due to the fact that very few performers appear to do much with it using stuff like input sources (in my case, Max/MSP - but I'm um... biased), ReWire, and something other than the "drop loops into the vertical hopper" approach. In situations where one adds plug-in functionality and the ability to either manipulate complex control curves for said plug-ins or (as in the case of pluggo, which - again - is my bias set) having plug-ins that send/receive audio and modulate other plug-ins, the possibilities further increase. Of course, if the live gigs I've seen are much to go by, none of that appears to be very common practice. The arrival of 4.0 has dramatically increased the possibilities, as well. > I know Max/MSP is not open source (my excuse: I had bought it years ago > when I had a 'real job' which was before the explosion of FLOSS) but it > allows me to tinker in a laboratory environment of building blocks that > operate on numbers and this fits my needs perfectly...I use Max/MSP for > 99% of all my work (except for editing tasks for which I use Peak and > sometimes Audacity on OS X) because I am not constrained by what the > manufacturer thinks I want to be able to do...I am given a set of > primitives (more atomic than most; more granular than some) with which > to work and allows me to implement just about any music/audio related > idea I can think of... I would hope that no one needs to apologize for spending money on the tools they use for work, Kim - any more than one should rationalize using Open Source software for some bizarre reason. While this may slightly offend the binary orthodoxies some narratives of Open Source might assume or assert, there are also ways in which non-open source products may allow for extensibility via SDKs, etc. The Max/MSP world is full of a variety of third-party extensions from individuals and institutions who, themselves, might fit the basic typologies of development Kim describes, and who produce extensions that involve remuneration for the purpose of helping to provide a sustainable existence for the developer (cf. the auv-i objects for Jitter) or an institution (IRCAM's Forum IRCAM stuff) or who make their individual works (the jasch objects) or products of their institutions (CNMAT's OSC/sinusoidal resonator work, the PeRColate objects for MSP) available at no cost, sometimes with source code included. There are also times in which that extensibility may also involve providing ways in which users can more easily create or manipulate their own objects using different tools; the addition of support for both Java and javascript for Max/MSP and (quite soon) Jitter has apparently increased what users can individually create and share as they see fit. The current realities are actually pretty refined and nuanced, in my opinion. > I concur with Derek: people really ought to try to break out of the > pre-fab, shrink-wrapped software world and try to make their own > tools... I quite agree as well, and would point out that this increase in available tools - both Open Source and otherwise - should, I hope, be an opportunity for users to choose tools for a wider variety of reasons than mere price and functionality: for essentially ideological reasons (or a desire to rid oneself of the negative energy associated with making a living out of cracks, if you inhabit a universe in which this might be the case), for reasons of personal preference (I hate command line interfaces/I want loops/etc.), for reasons of convenience, and so on. I think that it's great to be able to choose tools on the basis of whether or not they match my task or temperament, and to do so in an environment where I can exchange my money for something, or invest my time instead. This notion that users might like to explore even more "fixed" sets of commercial software appears to have some wide acceptance; a friend attending a Native Instruments soirée in L.A. reported that the new Reaktor was being hyped as "the closest thing to low level DSP processing ever" (which would surprise any number of us, I think), and spending a lot of time talking about educational approaches, which would - I assume - involve learing to fiddle with NI blocks. As ever, your mileage may vary. gregory --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:39:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35216-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1909 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:39:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 1899 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:39:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:39:03 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: > I somewhat agree... I find myself occupying a mid-point. I wish to > support as much open source software as is practically possible. And > I'm very interested in building bottom up type applications. On the > other hand, I am just starting with PD, I'm new to Linux, and I'm a > novice programmer (python and C++). I can't wait 3-4 years to be an > expert at this way of making music! In my experience it's not Pd (or Max) as a software, that's taking the most time to learn, but the "stuff around it", that is a lot of algorithms, for composing and for synthesis and for other things. Basically all the stuff, the "Computer Music Tutorial" is talking about. Pd itself, as Max, is a very simple software from the user's perspective. You have a handful of objects, which basically all deal with numbers, and you write words to create the objects ("speaking the Pd/Max language"), and you draw connections between words. That's all: no complicated syntax or sophisticated language features (as in SC or Common Music), no compile-edit-run cycle (as in Csound). This simplicity - which surely has its downfalls - is the number one reason why the Max-like programs became as successful as they are today. (Side note: During his keynote to the pd~convention in Graz, Miller Puckette talked about possible solutions for a certain shortcoming in Pd's "data structure" subsystem and said, that he could think of a lot of intelligent solutions to this problem, but that he hadn't yet found a *stupid* solution. So the problem still persists. That's the Pd spirit.) OTOH: As Pd is not useable without at least a basic understanding of general principles in fields like math, sound synthesis, harmonics, digital sound processing (or graphics, if you want to use GEM, Jitter etc.) it enforces users to deal with this stuff. However everything they learn about these topics will be their own possession from then on. They were not just learning keyboard shortcuts in ProTools or something like that, which is only valuable as long as you use ProTools. And in your case: As you already have knowledge about music, sound etc. your learning curve will be much, much flatter than for a complete beginner in this field. You won't need 3-4 years, you will just need some weeks, or 2-3 months at most. Hey, you even already started to learn Python, which is really great to get a grip of some software development principles, which aren't even needed to use Pd (but they come in very handy as you advance). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:36:59 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35215-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99807 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:36:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 99793 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:36:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:36:49 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > but still doesn't answer my questions as to why ACID was not adopted > by the laptop music market and Live was... the reason for me is live being os x compatible, and acid is not. b bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:36:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35214-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98532 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:35:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 98522 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:35:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Hughes <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? > please describe? Acid seems more like a regular DAW, but with a heavy focus on using and manipulating loops, while Live was designed for live peformance, so although it can use a linear timeline (like Acid), it has a lot of features that make it very easy to arrange, trigger, manipulate, effect, and mix audio on the fly. It's been a long time since I played around with Acid, but I don't recall it having any of the things that make Live so nice for live performance (or at least they weren't implemented in such an intuitive way as they are in Live). Jonathan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:25:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35213-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93186 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:25:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 93102 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:25:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:25:14 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 20:25:57.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[01437C50:01C53BB0] On 7 Apr 2005, at 19:24, john saylor wrote: > what do you mean 'good management'- > the software makes money? > it's bloated with features? > it makes projected release dates? > it doesn't crash? > it makes efficient use of computing resources? No, I mean consistent vision and ability to organise and focus. -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org/ music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:16:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35212-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88527 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:16:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 88516 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:16:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:16:47 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] live evil palindromic echo To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared > towards performance, while Acid was not. in what way was Live geared towards performance and how was ACID not? please describe? > Ableton was also blessed with > incredible timing when they released Live, and it was a pretty good > answer to the growing question of what the emerging laptop masses were > going to do on stage. ah OK I think the keyword here is 'laptop'...but still doesn't answer my questions as to why ACID was not adopted by the laptop music market and Live was... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 20:09:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35211-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85264 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:08:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 85254 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:08:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:08:52 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] audio tools To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I've used open source software for a long time, and from my experience > your assertion here is partially incorrect. I qualify my statement an opening reference to *audio tools* in my post...its in the line: > some of the other ways audio software gets developed are: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 19:53:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35210-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78414 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:53:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 78397 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:53:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:52:56 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > On Apr 7, 2005 11:48 AM, Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >> On 7 Apr 2005, at 17:02, Kevin Ponto wrote: >>> Doesn't it usually take many years to get to a point where you can >>> use >>> a program like PD with any great efficiency, and wouldn't these years >>> of limitation have a drastic effect upon one's music? >> >> It can do depending on your previous experiences - hence me finding >> tools like Supercollider easier than Logic at first (being used to odd >> programming languages like Lisp I can think that way fairly well). > > Here's another quote from Derek's interview: > > "It's a bit like learning a language, you start with some vocabulary > you start with some grammar, maybe the first year you can order beers > and say hello to pretty waitresses, the next year you might be > speaking like a small school child, the year after that maybe you've > writing poetry, who knows. It's this kind of way of working it's > building up on a language in the metaphor the same way that a > tradition musician would start off by playing doo-re-me and eventually > would be writing sonatas or whatever, so I like this approach very > much, it's building up nothing pre-determined." That's an excellent quote, one I'm going to have to sit down and ponder for a while. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 19:48:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35208-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73892 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:48:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 73876 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:48:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:51:13 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Derek, I appreciate your perspective greatly. But I might add that I AM a composer... that's the thing... I've been composing for years already. Also I've been playing piano and improvising (first jazz, later more experimental/atonal improv) for 18 years. And some of the pre-packaged software lets me use the composition knowledge and performance skills I already have. If I know what I want to achieve as a composer/performer, and there is a tool already available that lets me achieve it, why not use it. Sometimes I don't want to "throw out" all this learning but just want the computer to help me achieve something more efficiently. There is a place for pre-packaged solutions. It all depends on what problem as a composer or musician you are confronting. I mean, I still write scores (or edit MIDI files generated elsewhere) with Finale for acoustic instruments, PD is not going to replace that (though maybe some other open source software will). It is not as if Finale dictates what kind of music I must write with it. If I open up a soundfile with an audio editor, any audio editor, there are a pretty wide range of things I could do with the editor, from mundane to brilliant. It may not be technologically innovative, but it still could be aesthetically interesting! The only reason I started using computers with music in the beginning was: 1. To write down scores for acoustic instruments quicker and hear my ideas before I set them in front of the instrumentalists 2. To try to record and/or mix down audio without needing to pay for expensive studio time that I could not afford. It was only later after I was working with computers that I began realizing that I could explore many more aspects of music with them, and I began to be interested in directly manipulating sound and using computers more substantially. I mean, I'm a person that used to use DICE along with my own tables and charts to write aleatoric music, I come from a much more "old school" approach originally (sometimes I still do it this way). I can still use a pen and paper to write some good and interesting music, after all. It's my mind that is the key element. Can I write microsound that way - I think not - but I bet I could write some interesting music that had a similar character and a related aesthetic to microsound. Lately I've been thinking about using a "micro" approach to dissecting jazz music, tearing apart transcriptions of bebop lines, extracting little elements to make something like sound clouds, but using traditional instruments and a big band to do it. Overall, I have to say, not that you are wrong exactly, but that I think you should make your point a little more narrowly. It's not always bad to have an efficient, pre-packaged computing solution to a particular problem. Just because I'm learning PD shouldn't mean I can't still write other kinds of music that utilize my 18 years experience of composing and performing. Not everyone who makes good art is a computer expert (though I hope to be that also someday). Perhaps your critique applies better to certain genres of computer music creation, but not as a general statement. ~David >>> xxxxx@x-x.xxx 04/07/05 02:20PM >>> David Powers wrote: > I can't wait 3-4 years to be an expert at this way of making music! I'd say that for making music for your own enjoyment--computer punkrock, digital folkmusic, bedroom DJing, whatever--this is perfectly valid. But for music that you would present as innovative in a public forum, 3-4 years of learning is nothing. How long does a violinist or pianist study? Or a composer, who has to understand all the instruments they score? This is the myth that is most fascinating about "creative" software: that it allows one to instantly and easily make art. "Easy to use" is often made possible by a strong default style hardcoded into the structure of the software, and your "original" instant results are usually filtered entirely through the artistic visions and tastes of the software's creators. I'd recommend those interested in a critique of this kind of software, which responds very much to market pressure for certain musical styles and for products which allow the average user to feel very empowered, to have a look at Signwave's AutoIllustrator software. AutoIllustrator began its life as a piece of "software art"; i.e. a work of art in the form of software made to address issues around the consumption/use of software itself. AutoIllustrator looks very much like an Adobe product of brand-name recognition. But it has a mind of its own, and any attempt to make "your" art with it results in it making its own lines and shapes regardless of your input. There are various menus and toggles, such as a slider between "stupid" and "pointless", or "bugs" which crawl around leaving vector-based track marks all over your canvas. But the best button of all is the button which is labelled "I am incapable". In the end that is what much of this fancy consumer-grade software is telling you: that you are incapable of doing it yourself without that software. Let us do it for you. And it's in their best commercial interest that you believe this. These kind of algorithmic instant results made AutoIllustrator very popular with lazy graphic designers, however, and soon they were selling lots of licenses and even plugins. One was a plugin which generated three dimensional "architectural" shards which could be exported as an EPS file and used in a "normal" vector editor. I saw these shards pop up on websites and CD covers for about 6 months, which is about as long as any gimmick in the graphic design world lasts anyway before they all move on to the next hype. Remember the "Flash wobble"? In short, the reason I spent the time that I did learning how to work with PD and other kinds of open environments was that I didn't want to feel like I was trapped in someone else's idea of how to make music. And more than that, I felt that the tools I use to make art shouldn't reply on consumer marketing trends, "user friendliness" or how well they imitate expensive or rare pieces of music hardware from other eras in order to ensure their development and lasting support. For me it was about freedom from all that, and I don't regret a moment spent "not creating" so I could learn. d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 105: "Listen to the quiet voice" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 19:50:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35209-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76226 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:50:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 76212 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:50:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:50:05 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > On Apr 7, 2005 12:02 PM, Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> However, I have found, in almost every case (there are exceptions), >> that there is a proprietary application that beats the pants off of >> any >> open source alternatives. > > the apache webserver is a notable exception. I agree. > also, i'm not sure what you mean by 'beating the pants off'. for > instance, i would say linux toasts m$ windows on almost any comparison > you'd care to make: stability, configurability, hardware support > [linux loves old hardware- try running xp on a 486 with 16MB memory], > cost, network security. Well, compare almost (again, some exceptions) anything, open source or otherwise, with a Microsoft product and Microsoft will lose. >> Take Firefox for example. I jumped on that bandwagon and hollered from >> the mountaintops just like everyone else, and I install it for every >> willing PC user I come across, but I don't use it. I find the >> interface >> clunky (though much better than Mozilla) and the user experience >> lacking. > > as i'm sure you can recognize, these are purely subjective criteria > ['clunky' and 'user experience lacking']. i work as a web developer > and there is no comparison in my book- firefox beats ie across the > board. two words: tabbed browsing Absolutely, it's completely subjective. Again, comparing it to a Microsoft product. The worst Microsoft product I might add, and as a fellow web developer, I feel your pain. I still find Safari to provide a better overall user experience. > also, as you mention, sometimes open source software requires you to > have a better understanding of what's going on than proprietary > software does. in fact, that's one of the selling points of > proprietary software- it's "easy". I think this is exactly what the FLOSS movement is missing. The techies can all shout about how great open source is, but until it becomes "easy" like a great deal of proprietary software, it's going to have a hell of a time taking off. I think it's the one thing keeping Linux out of the big time. Although we are starting to see some improvements in that area, we still have a ways to go. We need graphical installers, we need pretty UI's, we need plug and play, we need "good user experiences" if we expect the average Joe to hop on board. You shouldn't have to know how to compile source code to use a computer anymore than you should have to know how to swap a transmission in order to drive a car. > i think we can co-exist? do you? I'm totally on your side though. I just think open source still has a long way to go. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 19:33:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35207-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66569 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:32:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 66556 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:32:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:32:51 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130301be7b3b069f17@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >'user experience lacking' -So I presume that the user has to practise more in order to solve this problem... 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Thu Apr 7 19:22:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35206-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62205 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:22:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 62194 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:22:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:22:05 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > (sidebar question: why did Ableton Live become so wildly popular when > Sonic Foundry's ACID had been out for some time before Live was > introduced to the market?) Well, I think this easily answered by the fact that Live was geared towards performance, while Acid was not. Ableton was also blessed with incredible timing when they released Live, and it was a pretty good answer to the growing question of what the emerging laptop masses were going to do on stage. While graphical programming tools like Max/Msp had been around for a while, and suit some very well for live performance, not everyone is so technically inclined, or has the time/desire to sit down and deal with the learning curve of these programs. Plus, Live is just fun. > I concur with Derek: people really ought to try to break out of the > pre-fab, shrink-wrapped software world and try to make their own > tools...check out PD (Linux, XP or OS X) or Audio Mulch (XP) if your > budget is tight or Max/MSP (OS X, XP) or Reaktor (OS X, XP) if you > have some xmas money left over... The more I think about it, the more I agree with you, though I don't think pre-fab software should be dismissed simply because it's pre-fab. Perhaps I'll dust off my copy of Max/Msp and enlist it's abilities once again. k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 19:09:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35204-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56860 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:09:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 56849 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:09:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:20:24 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > I can't wait 3-4 years to be an expert at this way of making music! I'd say that for making music for your own enjoyment--computer punkrock, digital folkmusic, bedroom DJing, whatever--this is perfectly valid. But for music that you would present as innovative in a public forum, 3-4 years of learning is nothing. How long does a violinist or pianist study? Or a composer, who has to understand all the instruments they score? This is the myth that is most fascinating about "creative" software: that it allows one to instantly and easily make art. "Easy to use" is often made possible by a strong default style hardcoded into the structure of the software, and your "original" instant results are usually filtered entirely through the artistic visions and tastes of the software's creators. I'd recommend those interested in a critique of this kind of software, which responds very much to market pressure for certain musical styles and for products which allow the average user to feel very empowered, to have a look at Signwave's AutoIllustrator software. AutoIllustrator began its life as a piece of "software art"; i.e. a work of art in the form of software made to address issues around the consumption/use of software itself. AutoIllustrator looks very much like an Adobe product of brand-name recognition. But it has a mind of its own, and any attempt to make "your" art with it results in it making its own lines and shapes regardless of your input. There are various menus and toggles, such as a slider between "stupid" and "pointless", or "bugs" which crawl around leaving vector-based track marks all over your canvas. But the best button of all is the button which is labelled "I am incapable". In the end that is what much of this fancy consumer-grade software is telling you: that you are incapable of doing it yourself without that software. Let us do it for you. And it's in their best commercial interest that you believe this. These kind of algorithmic instant results made AutoIllustrator very popular with lazy graphic designers, however, and soon they were selling lots of licenses and even plugins. One was a plugin which generated three dimensional "architectural" shards which could be exported as an EPS file and used in a "normal" vector editor. I saw these shards pop up on websites and CD covers for about 6 months, which is about as long as any gimmick in the graphic design world lasts anyway before they all move on to the next hype. Remember the "Flash wobble"? In short, the reason I spent the time that I did learning how to work with PD and other kinds of open environments was that I didn't want to feel like I was trapped in someone else's idea of how to make music. And more than that, I felt that the tools I use to make art shouldn't reply on consumer marketing trends, "user friendliness" or how well they imitate expensive or rare pieces of music hardware from other eras in order to ensure their development and lasting support. For me it was about freedom from all that, and I don't regret a moment spent "not creating" so I could learn. d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 105: "Listen to the quiet voice" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 19:14:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35205-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58861 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:14:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 58845 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:14:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:14:11 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lZpGnPZZbEpBvCfqQka2TRZPUDn3NE3T0ZqH1A2dfgt2eORS9GN7UWRmZ4YxXRkcseWOGT/Qnmj5p621A8+YmpzVgowNKy25EucEkxl/v2OTO5ku7wJwxm+Szjwh9KLbbEVDnb5zeFRA0/90kvIRTnzYynDtYNlh6/x31LVhmss= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Apr 7, 2005 12:02 PM, Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > However, I have found, in almost every case (there are exceptions), > that there is a proprietary application that beats the pants off of any > open source alternatives. the apache webserver is a notable exception. also, i'm not sure what you mean by 'beating the pants off'. for instance, i would say linux toasts m$ windows on almost any comparison you'd care to make: stability, configurability, hardware support [linux loves old hardware- try running xp on a 486 with 16MB memory], cost, network security. > Take Firefox for example. I jumped on that bandwagon and hollered from > the mountaintops just like everyone else, and I install it for every > willing PC user I come across, but I don't use it. I find the interface > clunky (though much better than Mozilla) and the user experience > lacking. as i'm sure you can recognize, these are purely subjective criteria ['clunky' and 'user experience lacking']. i work as a web developer and there is no comparison in my book- firefox beats ie across the board. two words: tabbed browsing to say nothing of all the places it can take you if you want to go [extensions]. also, as you mention, sometimes open source software requires you to have a better understanding of what's going on than proprietary software does. in fact, that's one of the selling points of proprietary software- it's "easy". my experience is that it's only easy because you're put in a cell. and you can only do the things that the cell will let you do. this may be fine for many people. it doesn't work for me. and yes, i have had to learn things, read manuals, and think to make this software work. but i'm happy to trade those off for the ability to do what i want to do instead of what the cell allows me. you may like the cell- that's ok. if so, you'd probably like a different metaphor, but i'm the one writing this note. finally, an important part of open source is the compact with the community. this aspect doesn't get much press [except when stallman shouts about it] because it's much more contained to talk about processing benchmarks and user interface instead of the whole community of people involved in it. and once you start talking about the community you are in a much different space than the capitalist business model that has framed the issue for many people. so, while there are valid criticisms about many open source projects, i don't think you've hit any of them. as a perl programmer [open source], we always say, "there's more than one way to do it." so go ahead and pay for all the software you want. and use it to make the music you want. and i'll do the same with the open source software i use. i think we can co-exist? do you? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 18:29:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35203-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37270 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:29:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 37257 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:29:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:29:21 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HaFWXybsK+Hy7rTifKqyoDs7TIcT3dI6KCBqBe03rx7KGCfqX92JF//XQoDimsoJAuv1LeEG+olR1IehYdFSZTabKu1kklJN0lNNzUtJ91409VDmrQNZPFnMvso3Kv2T+IvnuRuOsMkwKFysghqNtanCToRkCR56LlejBYnvUA8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005 11:48 AM, Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > On 7 Apr 2005, at 17:02, Kevin Ponto wrote: > > Doesn't it usually take many years to get to a point where you can use > > a program like PD with any great efficiency, and wouldn't these years > > of limitation have a drastic effect upon one's music? > > It can do depending on your previous experiences - hence me finding > tools like Supercollider easier than Logic at first (being used to odd > programming languages like Lisp I can think that way fairly well). Here's another quote from Derek's interview: "It's a bit like learning a language, you start with some vocabulary you start with some grammar, maybe the first year you can order beers and say hello to pretty waitresses, the next year you might be speaking like a small school child, the year after that maybe you've writing poetry, who knows. It's this kind of way of working it's building up on a language in the metaphor the same way that a tradition musician would start off by playing doo-re-me and eventually would be writing sonatas or whatever, so I like this approach very much, it's building up nothing pre-determined." I totally agree with this statement. It takes a lot of time invested in the concepts behind something like Pd, Max, SC or any other programming environment. Although frustrating, it is a benefit in the end. Once these fundamental concepts are ingrained, you have become highly portable. CS departments work the same way, teaching multiple languages at first: C++, Java, etc, until the students are fluent enough to understand algorithmic thought in the form of abstract pseudo code. So even if it seems like you're wasting time reinventing the wheel with one dinky platform, in reality you are training your brain in the art of algorithms; a skill that is highly transferable. -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 18:24:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35202-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35171 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:24:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 35161 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:24:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:24:05 -0400 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=V2sQSzkscZg7IIj7GTanfxSXNDYT5+ef5nwkF09zIp+FzYWV6m23T/2FfjHA0Q0SFKdJMLzmdeKES/1wwjNSUFITI3AHyMTO5LznS5llxFVWveMOAOKYkjTnF0dkRFHIBzpsvM0RCoologATBCBA9E7FujBGqby/igckVnv3kTw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On Apr 7, 2005 12:34 PM, Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Open source projects are > created for many reasons, not just experimentation, and I've found they > often suffer due to a lack of foresight and good management. Think: > Debian, and currently the Linux Kernel (the BitKeeper fiasco). hmm ... what do you mean 'good management'- the software makes money? it's bloated with features? it makes projected release dates? it doesn't crash? it makes efficient use of computing resources? think: m$ word, m$ windows, m$ internet exporer i don't know too many music examples because the last music software i bought is 'finale' from mark of the unicorn [yes, i am *that* old ....]. i've been quite happy with csound, pd, audacity- in fact, it's been the start of a renaissance for me in understanding digital signal processing. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 17:22:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35201-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9444 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:22:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 9427 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:22:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:22:09 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Alex Young hat gesagt: // Alex Young wrote: > I strongly disagree that people should break away from 'shrink wrap' > software. People should be free to choose solutions that allow them to > achieve their goals, and be eclectic in their approach. Suggesting the > 'right' way of doing something will lead to an Establishment-esque > mentality that sucks the fun out of everything. Huh? People *are* free to choose the tool they want to use. OTOH a lot of dollars are telling people to choose shrink wrap software, whereas not only the development of free software (at least in the artistic realm), but also the "marketing" is almost exclusivly done by volunteers. No one is paying Derek or me for trying to promote free software. Free software is far from being the establishment. Maybe it is trying to fight the establishment (ho, ho, hippie talk...). At least Free Software is trying to balance things out so users do have a choice (of browser, operating system, etc.) again or for the first time. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 17:02:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35200-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1129 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:01:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 1115 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:01:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:04:32 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I somewhat agree... I find myself occupying a mid-point. I wish to support as much open source software as is practically possible. And I'm very interested in building bottom up type applications. On the other hand, I am just starting with PD, I'm new to Linux, and I'm a novice programmer (python and C++). I can't wait 3-4 years to be an expert at this way of making music! So, I will keep learning these tools, but also keep using shrink wrapped solutions when they meet my current needs. I will say, Audiomulch is pretty great for instant functionality, I just really wish it had some built in sequencing functions. If it did, it would be perfect. Though I need to experiment running a MIDI sequencer program into it. Or perhaps this is an area where it might be useful to build a PD custom sequencer to patch in, maybe with some cellular automata and chaotic functions, and Markov chains programmed based on the solos of John Coltrane... Don't know if I will ever be good enough to pull it off though! ~David David Powers Faculty Assistant DePaul University, School of Education Department of Leadership in Education, Language, and Human Services 773-325-4806 >>> xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx 04/07/05 11:34AM >>> On 7 Apr 2005, at 17:09, Kim Cascone wrote: > in each of these processes there are drives to bring a software > application to market/audience and hence the process is subjected to > 'noisy forces' that shape the tool... > of all of the different methods I am partial to the research model and > FLOSS models because the tools designed are to be used for > experimentation and are sometimes extensible thru being able to > customize the code... I've used open source software for a long time, and from my experience your assertion here is partially incorrect. Open source projects are created for many reasons, not just experimentation, and I've found they often suffer due to a lack of foresight and good management. Think: Debian, and currently the Linux Kernel (the BitKeeper fiasco). Why do you feel you have to excuse yourself for using Max/MSP, which isn't open source? If you have a DVD player or mobile phone, I demand an apology for using closed-source software for those, too! I strongly disagree that people should break away from 'shrink wrap' software. People should be free to choose solutions that allow them to achieve their goals, and be eclectic in their approach. 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Thu Apr 7 16:49:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35199-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95701 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:49:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 95681 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:49:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:48:51 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at aardvarkmedia.co.uk X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 7 Apr 2005, at 17:02, Kevin Ponto wrote: > Doesn't it usually take many years to get to a point where you can use > a program like PD with any great efficiency, and wouldn't these years > of limitation have a drastic effect upon one's music? It can do depending on your previous experiences - hence me finding tools like Supercollider easier than Logic at first (being used to odd programming languages like Lisp I can think that way fairly well). It's a complicated issue to discuss because people write music for many reasons and think about it very differently. I find I can get too easily distracted by concerning myself with ways of creating music and sound, to the point it completely ruins what I'm doing (that's why my previous comments allude to my eclectic approach combing commercial and open source software). And your comments about commercial software often "beating the pants off" open source software could partly be explained by the often terrible management of open source projects. People used to always argue that thousands of people submitting code would lead to tremendous pieces of software. However, software projects need to be managed, they need to have a focus. Good projects often end up in useless forked monstrosities, alienating end users and confusing other developers who rely on their projects (consider the current situation with the XFree project). As much as the guy annoys me, Joel Spolsky discusses software management issues quite well, which may give you some insight into why it's a hard thing to do and why it affects open source software: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/ You may find this particularly relevant: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Biculturalism.html -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 16:35:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35198-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90267 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:35:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 90257 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:35:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:34:37 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] building blocks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 16:35:44.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[D822AB40:01C53B8F] On 7 Apr 2005, at 17:09, Kim Cascone wrote: > in each of these processes there are drives to bring a software > application to market/audience and hence the process is subjected to > 'noisy forces' that shape the tool... > of all of the different methods I am partial to the research model and > FLOSS models because the tools designed are to be used for > experimentation and are sometimes extensible thru being able to > customize the code... I've used open source software for a long time, and from my experience your assertion here is partially incorrect. Open source projects are created for many reasons, not just experimentation, and I've found they often suffer due to a lack of foresight and good management. Think: Debian, and currently the Linux Kernel (the BitKeeper fiasco). Why do you feel you have to excuse yourself for using Max/MSP, which isn't open source? If you have a DVD player or mobile phone, I demand an apology for using closed-source software for those, too! I strongly disagree that people should break away from 'shrink wrap' software. People should be free to choose solutions that allow them to achieve their goals, and be eclectic in their approach. 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Thu Apr 7 16:20:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35197-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79539 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:20:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 79529 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:20:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:20:05 -0700 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was thinking about diving into SC, and this has strengthened the resolve. Thanks for the plug. I've never delved far into music 'programming' really. Which is funny, because I used to when I was in school, but lost interest when I started studying voice and improvisation. Then it was more about what hardware tools can I use for manipulating acoustic sources, then it was about software. I think I'm personally getting to a point where I want the sound generation abilities of the computer moreso than the structural element. On Apr 7, 2005, at 7:50 AM, Alex Young wrote: > On 7 Apr 2005, at 15:37, derek holzer wrote: >> I must be recommending Reason! No... wait, I know.... Fruity Loops!!! > > It seems quite fashionable to make fun of Reason. Except there's a > lot of packages (including open source projects) that try and copy it, > so I assume their approach isn't entirely without merit. > > I don't think any Supercollider advocates have said anything on this > thread yet, but if you're scared off by Pd's clumsy interface, have a > look at: > > http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/ > > Mailing list archive: > http://elists.resynthesize.com/sc-users/ > > List: > http://www.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/sc-users > > The list has a lot of good patches posted to it, so if you fancy > having a muck about to get started have a root around there. It's an > especially good starting point if you wish to create generative audio, > because so many of the examples in the help files are essentially > little generative patches. > > I use both Pd and Supercollider in perfect harmony, and I even use > Reason sometimes (take THAT Derek ;). Oh, and Logic, and Numerology > (http://www.five12.com/). I bought them all (I don't really agree > with using cracked software, being a software developer > professionally, stop trashing my industry folks!). > > I highly recommend Supercollider, although ultimately, your > imagination is a more important asset than what software/instruments > you use. > > Have fun, > > Alex > > -- > homepage: http://alexyoung.org > music: http://noise.me.uk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 16:10:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35196-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73579 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:10:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 73569 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:10:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:10:31 +0000 From: Eduardo Gama <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] July, Investigation and Performance JIP 05 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> X-Originating-IP: [193.137.217.253] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 16:10:31.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[52AEE120:01C53B8C] I’m part of a Portuguese association named CEPiA (Centro de Estudos Performativos i Artísticos) and for the past three years we are trying to develop an event that can combine artistic disciplines, investigation and education. This event will take place in the south of Portugal ( Alentejo) in July (15 - 31). We accept proposals of conferences, workshops, discussions and papers dealing with the theme of The Memory Performative Power. www.jip.com.sapo.pt xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 16:09:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35195-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72359 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:09:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 72349 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:09:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:09:21 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] building blocks To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > the more they have created this environment that's very > easy for you to use, the more they've actually determined the kind of > work you can make with it. If you look at a program like Ableton Live > which is used by probably about eighty percent of people making sound > and performing out live these days, it seems like. It's good for a very > few things, it's good for working with loops, putting effects on these > loops and sequencing them, but it pushes you in one creative direction, > it pushes you into making a certain kind of music, excellent post Derek...thanks!:) this is a very important subject to me and why I travel the world teaching people how to utilize other methods of making music/sound art/noise/whatever using tools like Max/MSP (I give equal time to PD and FLOSS tools for those with no money to spend) what end users don't see is the process by which most audio tools come about - it can happen a couple ways: bedroom->internet model: - Betty Laptop Musician codes an app that does exactly what she wants it to - since she creates a certain type of music this tool aids her in accomplishing certain tasks easier, faster i.e. more productively - she gets kudos from peers on said app and starts to share it with others into same kind of music - demand for tool increases and she decides to make it a 'real app' with release cycles, upgrades, added features, bug fixes, some promotion, etc - eventually she is crafting a tool that a particular market wants and gears all development towards this market - think: Ableton Live (sidebar question: why did Ableton Live become so wildly popular when Sonic Foundry's ACID had been out for some time before Live was introduced to the market?) some of the other ways audio software gets developed are: - corporate developers such as Digidesign cater to a pro market; development is less focused since the market needs are much wider - think: Pro-Tools, Logic, Nuendo, etc - driven by university research (which is the type of company I was involved in at Staccato Systems who developed Synth Builder)...in this case development begins as blue-sky research, gets some backing by licensing patents or developing industry applications (Staccato had gotten their sound engine into some EA video games which worked alongside their physics engine)...it becomes a product but has a small niche market of researchers, software developers or other academic centers as a teaching tool... - think: IRCAM, CCRMA, CREATE or GRM - FLOSS model: developers (mostly non-academic) have an idea for a tool, enlist the help of others who need/want same tool, want to make it available for free or as open source and tend to develop the app based on end user feedback (new features/bug reports)...sometimes this intersects with the academic research model... in each of these processes there are drives to bring a software application to market/audience and hence the process is subjected to 'noisy forces' that shape the tool... of all of the different methods I am partial to the research model and FLOSS models because the tools designed are to be used for experimentation and are sometimes extensible thru being able to customize the code... I know Max/MSP is not open source (my excuse: I had bought it years ago when I had a 'real job' which was before the explosion of FLOSS) but it allows me to tinker in a laboratory environment of building blocks that operate on numbers and this fits my needs perfectly...I use Max/MSP for 99% of all my work (except for editing tasks for which I use Peak and sometimes Audacity on OS X) because I am not constrained by what the manufacturer thinks I want to be able to do...I am given a set of primitives (more atomic than most; more granular than some) with which to work and allows me to implement just about any music/audio related idea I can think of... I concur with Derek: people really ought to try to break out of the pre-fab, shrink-wrapped software world and try to make their own tools...check out PD (Linux, XP or OS X) or Audio Mulch (XP) if your budget is tight or Max/MSP (OS X, XP) or Reaktor (OS X, XP) if you have some xmas money left over... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 16:02:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35194-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67157 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:02:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 67147 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:02:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:02:23 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > All things considered, I say yes, use free software when appropriate - > but no need to get all evangelical or preachy about it. Instead, > demonstrate what can be done, and give the beginners as many tutorials > as possible to explain HOW it is done. I'm rooting for the open source movement at every turn. I think in the long run, it's the only sustainable system for software, especially as our society's dependence upon software continues to grow. Proprietary code is a recipe for disaster, and I certainly don't want to be left out the cold when some company whose software I'm dependent upon goes under. However, I have found, in almost every case (there are exceptions), that there is a proprietary application that beats the pants off of any open source alternatives. Not to say that all proprietary software is better than open source, but seems to be at least one in almost every category. Take Firefox for example. I jumped on that bandwagon and hollered from the mountaintops just like everyone else, and I install it for every willing PC user I come across, but I don't use it. I find the interface clunky (though much better than Mozilla) and the user experience lacking. Same goes with Open Office, The Gimp, PD, Nvu and even Linux itself (all of which I've given the old college try, and all of which I've deserted for various usability reasons). They all, in my opinion, have far superior proprietary alternatives, and these alternatives often have enough going for them to outweigh whatever social benefits are gained by me using open source, or at least demand comparison. How should one reconcile this? Should I sacrifice my user experience for the good of the commons? I've no actual programming skills (yet) so I am unable to contribute code. Is it enough that I preach but don't practice? Is it hypocritical or helpful? The article mentioned the influence that software like Live has on one's music. Wouldn't the adoption of an entirely open source computer, drastically changing the environment in which I compose, have a much greater influence on my music than if I remained with the tools I currently have learned to use with great efficiency? Is PD considered free of influence? I would argue that it takes much longer to learn a program like PD than it does something like Live, and while you're learning it, your ability to effectively realize your compositions are severely limited. Is this not an influence that the software has upon one's compositions? Doesn't it usually take many years to get to a point where you can use a program like PD with any great efficiency, and wouldn't these years of limitation have a drastic effect upon one's music? k:p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 15:09:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35193-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35615 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:09:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 35605 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:09:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:09:07 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Schroeder book To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > but all self-similar structures are inherently fractal (except > degenerate cases). For a self-similar curve comparable to the number > sequence above, check the Koch curve. It is a fractal because it has > dimension log 4/log 3 (its dimension is a fractional value and not an > integer). another example would be the following: create a real line: 0.0...1.0; erase the middle third of the line excluding the points 1/3 and 2/3; you have two remaining segments 0...1/3 and 2/3...1; repeat ad infinitum by erasing the middle thirds of remaining segments; after erasing n stages you are left with N=2^n segments with each being r=(1/3)^n long; the dimension of the resulting fractal (or Cantor dust) is calculated by dividing the log 2/log 3=0.63; theoretically, if you were to repeat this process infinitely you would be left with an infinite set of nothing I paraphrased the example above from a book I started reading again while looking for info on projective geometry: "Fractals, Chaos and Power Laws" - by Manfred Schroeder (who invented the infamous Schroeder reverb algorithm) there are used copies of this book on Amazon for $12 -- it is the best money you'll ever spend...it is not a pop-science book and contains a lot of math so don't expect an armchair page turner... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 14:50:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35192-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25034 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:50:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 25024 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:50:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:50:19 +0100 From: Alex Young <xxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 14:51:27.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[46C717C0:01C53B81] On 7 Apr 2005, at 15:37, derek holzer wrote: > I must be recommending Reason! No... wait, I know.... Fruity Loops!!! It seems quite fashionable to make fun of Reason. Except there's a lot of packages (including open source projects) that try and copy it, so I assume their approach isn't entirely without merit. I don't think any Supercollider advocates have said anything on this thread yet, but if you're scared off by Pd's clumsy interface, have a look at: http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/ Mailing list archive: http://elists.resynthesize.com/sc-users/ List: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/sc-users The list has a lot of good patches posted to it, so if you fancy having a muck about to get started have a root around there. It's an especially good starting point if you wish to create generative audio, because so many of the examples in the help files are essentially little generative patches. I use both Pd and Supercollider in perfect harmony, and I even use Reason sometimes (take THAT Derek ;). Oh, and Logic, and Numerology (http://www.five12.com/). I bought them all (I don't really agree with using cracked software, being a software developer professionally, stop trashing my industry folks!). I highly recommend Supercollider, although ultimately, your imagination is a more important asset than what software/instruments you use. Have fun, Alex -- homepage: http://alexyoung.org music: http://noise.me.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 14:45:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35191-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21517 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:45:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 21507 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:45:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:48:32 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Don't laugh but I've made some great stuff in Fruity Loops... I'm embarrassed to say that... But once you plug in VST's, automate all the parameters to sliders and knobs on your midi controllers, and set your quantize to 64th notes or something, you can do pretty abstract things. I'm faster with the piano roll in FL than in some other programs. And I'm addicted to some of the free VST's I use, particularly these: http://www.thepiz.org/vst.html . Reason, on the other hand, has never interested me and the sound seems a bit poor. I'm sure some blokes somewhere can do something kickass with Reason also though. This really comes down more to personal preference and ability to use interfaces creatively. So even when I get good at PD, I'm sure it won't be the only program I use. I'm not always going to want to build patches from the ground up! I do highly support the community efforts to build free tools. BUT - if free tools are only geared towards experimental tasks, than to some extent I feel I'll still have to rely on closed-source options too, depending on the artistic task at hand. Unless someone makes a PD patch that emulates Fruity Loops and Live... ;) And yes, sometimes getting a job done efficiently is important, it's not just laziness - I work full time at a shitty office job, and go to school to finish the degree I never got the first time around, so sometimes in my composition, I just need to be able to plug things in and create. Finally though, you will all be proud to note that I am getting really close to having my first PD patch ready for live performance! I will let the results be known soon, maybe post an MP3 up. Peace, David >>> xxxxx@x-x.xxx 04/07/05 09:37AM >>> bryan garcia wrote: > what is derek recommending as a path away from the populist german > techno sound >?< Hmmmmm.... the subject line says "PD + free software", the article linked to is all about Pure Data... http://linkme2.net/3s I must be recommending Reason! No... wait, I know.... Fruity Loops!!! ;-) d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 94: "Is it finished?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 14:39:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35190-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19006 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:39:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 18996 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:39:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:39:09 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] eva can I stab bats in a cave To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ah OK I thanks for explaining...I see what the article (the one I should have read but didn't) was alluding to...but I still stand by the other part of my post: when you introduce all the properties of physical reflection into the equation then you are dealing with frequency dependent phase shifts, filtering behaviors due to reflecting material, absorption (freq dependent gain changes) and a slew of other things that happen to a sound after reflection which make it near impossible to use a reflected sound to cancel out a direct sound... there is no way to cancel a reflected sound with the direct one...nature just don't work that way... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 14:38:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35189-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17954 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:38:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 17944 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:38:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:38:07 -0400 From: jbible <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jbible <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CMeFNgCsX5uPj4wKarShuB7V35u0k4bZEx7MeI7giyJKAsmfPvPFq/640eEut7QH5FOeptV4kHrZtZk6Wd/HV5FPVNiv6Jmzoi0wc0aXWaU8EowxbWOMCLTGQbrtVoFgxsaZQbp13xzQRLU/uCWi83nV07hk+777GRr4LfMKI4Q= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 7, 2005 10:23 AM, David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > To go back to software, I find it almost surprising that people use > Live for composition... I only use it for live DJing, and it is some of > the only software I've ever bought actually. I'm not sure why some > people are even interested in it as a composition environment, as to me > the interface doesn't lend itself to that. I tried using it to perform > some more experimental music before, not loop-based, but I wasn't > entirely satisfied with using it that way. However, I'm sure if you > mess around long enough you can get weird noises from it - no question > about that. > > ~David People often say this about Ableton.....but its usually people who have yet to realize there is a v4. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 14:27:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35188-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13086 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:27:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 13076 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:27:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:37:43 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bryan garcia wrote: > what is derek recommending as a path away from the populist german > techno sound >?< Hmmmmm.... the subject line says "PD + free software", the article linked to is all about Pure Data... http://linkme2.net/3s I must be recommending Reason! No... wait, I know.... Fruity Loops!!! ;-) d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 94: "Is it finished?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 14:20:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35186-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7094 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:20:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 7082 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:20:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:23:04 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I had to say the bit about the "German techno" made me laugh. I'm all for having flexible free tools that allow you to construct very individual types of music. But, I must add that I do like a lot of German techno and in the place where I live, Chicago USA, this techno (or any techno!) is not really popular - the popular music is mostly just horrid Clear Channel top 40 stuff. Along with making more esoteric noise or glitch stuff, I do make techno that might be in the same vein as the German stuff. It's almost hard for me to imagine that in some parts of the world this music is popular actually. To go back to software, I find it almost surprising that people use Live for composition... I only use it for live DJing, and it is some of the only software I've ever bought actually. I'm not sure why some people are even interested in it as a composition environment, as to me the interface doesn't lend itself to that. I tried using it to perform some more experimental music before, not loop-based, but I wasn't entirely satisfied with using it that way. However, I'm sure if you mess around long enough you can get weird noises from it - no question about that. All things considered, I say yes, use free software when appropriate - but no need to get all evangelical or preachy about it. Instead, demonstrate what can be done, and give the beginners as many tutorials as possible to explain HOW it is done. ~David >>> xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx 04/06/05 05:49PM >>> this is legitamate criticism. people are always so quick to pat one another on the back, especially in micro-niche genres. however, with criticism, one should expect some offerings of alternatives, and/or solutions to avoiding the traps. my first reaction, was, "then,why aren't we all using pro-tools." i know derek isn't pushing that, but what is derek recommending as a path away from the populist german techno sound >?< --- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > what about running PD-patches compiled as > VST-plugins in LIVE- > is it still german techno ;-] > has anyone experience in things like that? > > j ,. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Thu Apr 7 14:21:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35187-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8085 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:21:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 8070 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:21:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:20:45 -0700 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <557-SnapperMsgF4585520BE7AF252@[68.26.152.121]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks for the link... great interview too derek, i would like to hear/see more of your work! ....... Original Message ....... On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:53:22 +0100 "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >read the full original interview here... ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 10:59:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35185-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37667 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:59:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 37657 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:59:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:59:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Onda Sonora Radio <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] CONTENTS ONDA SONORA 06/04/05 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8K2Rvt2bddHGffyQpaRuYw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_8K2Rvt2bddHGffyQpaRuYw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ONDA SONORA, Madrid (ES) ·Radio Círculo de Bellas Artes 100.4 FM Miércoles/Wednesday 15h -www.circulobellasartes.com ·Radio Autónoma 88.8 FM Mar-Jue/Tue-Thu 16h -www.uam.es/ra ·Listen live real time -www.ondasonoraradio.com _________________________________ Contenidos Onda Sonora 06/04/05 01. IURY LECH Track: Album: Instorments Label: Amorfik Artifacts Abrimos el programa de esta semana con Iury Lech, artista multidisciplinar e incorrecto de origen ukraniano pero afincado en España desde hace unos años. Su nuevo trabajo musical (también escribe y trabaja el formato video) se llama "Instorments", e incluye siete cortes inspirados en la guerra y la opresión, presentados a través de su recién creada plataforma discográfica Amorfik Artifacts We open the program of this week with Iury Lech, multidisciplinar and incorrect artist of ukranian origin but settled down in Spain. His new musical work (he is also a writer and works in video format) is called "Instorments", it includes seven tracks inspired in war and oppression, presented by his recently created discographic platform Amorfik Artifacts 02. PLUMB AND PLUMBER Track: Indoor Album: Organic Feedback EP Label: Archive.org "Organic Feedback" es el nuevo trabajo del artista gallego Xesús Valle Pazos, Plumb And Plumber, un EP de cuatro cortes que parte de improvisaciones con guitarra, paisajes sonoros de entornos naturales y sonidos de cassettes encontrados por el artista con las grabaciones que dos amantes se enviaban en la distancia "Organic Feedback" is the new work of Galician artist Xesús Valle Pazos, Plumb And Plumber, a 4-track EP that departs from guitar improvisations, sound landscapes of natural environments and sounds from cassettes found by the artist with recordings that two lovers made sent each other in the distance 03. PLUMB AND PLUMBER Track: Her Batterys Xpec-troll Album: Come Early Go Late Label: Nishi Los sonidos del artista de Vigo Xesús Valle Pazos, Plumb And Plumber, en esta ocasión repasamos lo que fue su anterior trabajo, "Come Early Go Late", que ya sonó en Onda Sonora hace unos meses con motivo de su presentación en la página web del colectivo gallego alg-a. Este disco ha sido reeditado este año por Nishi, la división del sello mp3 canadiense Notype, desde Vancouver The sounds of Vigo artist Xesus Valle Pazos, Plumb And Plumber, in this occasion reviewing his previous work, "Come Early Go Late" that already sounded some months ago in Onda Sonora when featured on Galician's collective alg-a web page. This work has been issued this year by Nishi, a division of the Canadian mp3 label Notype, from Vancouver 04. KOTRA Track: Tug Album: Stamina Label: Nishi Dmytro Fedorenko, Kotra, es un artista sonoro ukraniano residente en Kiev formado en el jazz y posteriormente interesado por el ruido y la música electrónica. Desde 1999, Kotra ha publicado más de un trabajo al año, aunque no llegó a nuestros oídos hasta el año pasado con su disco "Dissilient" para el netlabel Nexsound. "Stamina" es su nuevo trabajo para Nishi Dmytro Fedorenko, Kotra, is an Ukranian sound artist residing in Kiev trained in jazz and later on interested in noise and electronic music. From 1999, Kotra has published more than one work a year. He arrived to our ears last year with his "Dissilient" release in the Nexsound netlabel. "Stamina" is his new work for Nishi 05. DANIEL WHITING Track: 2 Album: Selected Works 2000-2003 Label: Earlabs Viajamos hasta Australia para escuchar los sonidos del improvisador electrónico Daniel Whiting, una muestra de su colección de trabajos seleccionados entre 2000 y 2003 para este disco en el sello Earlabs, construídos a base de procesado y sampleado digital, creando texturas y capas de sonido densas y trabajando principalmente con sonidos eliminados en la producción musical tradicional: señales saturadas, melodías rotas, siseos... We travel to Australia to listen to the sounds of electronic improvisator Daniel Whiting, a sample from his collection of selected works between 2000 and 2003 for this record on the Earlabs label, built with the help of digital processing and sampling, creating dense textures and sound layers and working mainly with sounds forgotten on traditional music production: saturated signals, broken melodies, hiss... 06. RR HABARC Track: 3 Album: Nem Itt, Nem Most Label: Archive.org Desde Budapest, R.R. Habarc, compositor minimalista y director del pequeño sello Avult, en el que edita habitualmente sus ediciones, si bien su último trabajo "Nem Itt, Nem Most" (aquí no, ahora no), está colgado en la página Archive.org, un enorme portal abierto a los creadores más audaces de la actualidad. El disco contiene únicamente sonidos electrónicos y utiliza un solo canal estéreo From Budapest, R.R. Habarc, minimalist composer and director of the small label Avult, in which he often publishes his editions, though his last work "Nem Itt, Nem Most" (not here, not now), is on the Archive.org website, an enormous portal open to the most audacious creators of the present time. The work contains electronic sounds using a single stereo channel 07. TIRRIDDILIU Track: Il Flautista Solitario Traslante Album: Conglomerato Auto-Deviante Di Strumenti E Suonatori Label: Nexsound Nos marchamos al sello Nexsound, cuyas oficinas se encuentran en Ukrania aunque su objetivo se centra en lanzamientos online de trabajos de orientación experimental de artistas de todas partes del mundo, como el italiano Dario Sanfilippo, Tirriddiliu, que retorna con "Conglomerato auto-deviante di strumenti e suonatori", un trabajo lleno de paisajes electroacústicos y ambientes oscuros radicalmente opuesto a "Deliranti in Circostanze Astratte", su anterior trabajo en Nexsound Nexsound label with offices in Ukrania is centered in releasing online works of artists from all parts of the world but with an experimental approach, as the Italian Dario Sanfilippo, Tirriddiliu, who returns with "Conglomerato car-deviante I gave strumenti and suonatori", a work full with electroacoustic landscapes and dark atmospheres opposed to "Deliranti in Circostanze Astratte", his previous work in Nexsound 08. ANDREY KIRITCHENKO REMIXED BY MOKIRA Track: Siren Album: Fabelbuch Label: Nexsound Desde el netlabel Nexsound, el álbum de remezclas "Fabelbuch", realizadas por Frank Bretschneider, Mikael Stavostrand, Mokira, Dalezy, Kotra, Frans de Waard (Goem) y Andrey Kiritchenko sobre temas originales del propio artista ukraniano (director del sello Nexsound) procedentes de su disco "Kniga Skazok", publicado originalmente en Ad Noiseam en 2003 From the Nexsound netlabel, the remix album "Fabelbuch", made by Frank Bretschneider, Mikael Stavostrand, Mokira, Dalezy, Kotra, Frans of Waard (Goem) and Andrey Kiritchenko from the original tracks of the Ukranian artist (also director of the Nexsound label), coming from his "Kniga Skazok" record, published originally in Ad Noiseam in 2003 09. C-SCHULZ Track: Flicker Album: 5. Flicker Tunes Label: Sonig Desde Alemania, éste es el nuevo trabajo de Carsten Schulz en el sello Sonig, que dirigen Mouse on Mars y Frank Dommert: "5. Flicker Tunes" es el título de esta nueva obra a cargo de un personal compositor electroacústico que reside en Colonia y habitualmente en colaboración con su amigo Hajsch utiliza ambientes sonoros expansivos junto a sonidos concretos para construir piezas imprevisibles, como este "Flicker" From Germany, this is Carsten Schulz's new work in the Sonig imprint ran by Mouse on Mars and Frank Dommert: "5. Flicker Tunes" is the title of this new work by this personal electroacoustic composer, that resides in Cologne and usually collaborates with his friend Hajsch, using expanded sound atmospheres together with concrete sounds to build unpredictable pieces, as this "Flicker" 10. KEITH FULLERTON WHITMAN with GREG DAVIS Track: Knitting Factory - New York USA - June 22nd 2002 Album: Yearlong Label: Carpark Colaboración, recientemente editada por el sello Carpark, de dos músicos electrónicos procedentes de la costa este norteamericana, Greg Davis y Keith Fullerton Whitman. Ambos se fueron un año de gira conjunta por el mundo y realizaron multitud de conciertos de improvisación con laptop, hasta 18 horas de audio que han resumido en 45 minutos, "Yearlong" A collaboration, recently published in the Carpark label, between two electronic musicians coming from the North American Eastern coast, Greg Davis and Keith Fullerton Whitman. They both left for a year of combined tour around the world as they made a number of improvisation concerts with laptop, until 18 hours of audio finally summarized in 45 minutes, "Yearlong" _____ Nota: Este mensaje no ha sido solicitado, pero consideramos que podría interesarte. De no ser así, responde con un mensaje titulado “borrame” y serás inmediatamente eliminado del mailing. Muchas gracias Note: This is an undemanded message, but we have considered it could be interesting for you. If that’s not your case, then reply us with this subject for the message: “delete me”, and you will be inmediately out from the mailing. Thank you --------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_8K2Rvt2bddHGffyQpaRuYw)-- From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 10:02:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35184-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20917 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:02:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 20905 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:02:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:02:01 +0100 From: "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] beaming sound directly into your brain In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx anyone remember 'Wild Palms'..... life imitating art. Jason Thomas wrote: >This is definitely intriguing. I'd heard that someone >(Microsoft?) had been working on a mouse that could be >operated exclusively via brainwaves. I recently gave a >conference presentation about physical objects >involved in musical experiences and how they effect >our perception of a given work. There's a great >interview with Mort Subotnick on the American > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 09:53:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35183-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18617 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:53:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 18606 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:53:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:53:22 +0100 From: "xxxx@xxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx read the full original interview here... http://www.sijis.com/sijis_index.cfm?mainspace=showstory&itemid=2®ularid=1&is cheers derek holzer wrote: > http://linkme2.net/3s > > 'I used a lot of cracked commercial software for a lot of years when > doing sound and I always got a couple..... > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 08:07:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35182-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96765 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:07:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 96754 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:07:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:05:49 +0200 From: vel net site <xxxx@xxx-xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cdbaby To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00c101c53b48$9c7f9c20$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It works very well, impeccable service, prompt payment (in our case by pay pal). They keep only 4$ per cd sold and 9% for digital distribution. 35$ is the fix cost for sleeve scanning, page preparation and coding in compressed format. At the moment the sound clips, in mp3 at 32 and 128 kbps, last two minutes a track for any number of tracks (before they were in real audio and for three tracks only). There is a very simple form to insert texts, also long, and several other information, links to one's site etc. Everything is clearly explained on their site. Strongly recommended. Mario Volpe / Vel Net > does anyone have any experience selling their cd's thru the online shop > CDBaby? > if so care to share your experiences with the list? > thanks! > KIM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 05:08:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35181-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46482 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:08:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 46472 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:08:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:08:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Thomas <xxxx@xxxxx-xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] beaming sound directly into your brain In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is definitely intriguing. I'd heard that someone (Microsoft?) had been working on a mouse that could be operated exclusively via brainwaves. I recently gave a conference presentation about physical objects involved in musical experiences and how they effect our perception of a given work. There's a great interview with Mort Subotnick on the American Mavericks website in streaming audio in which he says something about a childhood drawing I'll briefly paraphrase: Performers on stage, reading from a score, seated in front of audience members in a concert hall. (Tradional physical presentation environment so far.) Each performer and audience member affixed with helmets. Wires connecting the helmets on the performers to those of the audience members, allowing them to percieve the sounds as imagined by the performer. We can also see a desire to get away from the physical as a final realization of a work in the concept works of Paik, for example, or composer Amnon Wolmans's text pieces which describe sounds to be imagined. I have text pieces similar to those of previously mentioned that also try to avoid reference to real world sounds/objects in addition to eliminating their necessity as a means of final realization. I find Beethoven's quote "Do you think when the spirit comes to me that I think of your lousy fiddles?" interesting. In general, I prefer works that start with a premise and then utilize whatever means necessary for completion rather than approaching whatever technology employed as a point of departure. If such a technology were employed not only to receive information, but transmit it as well, this would in many ways prove an ideal situation. (Even more liberating in a way than the tape medium.) Partch must be rolling over! Jason --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/5eda5 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Jason Thomas 346 N. Vermont Ave. # 615 Los Angeles, CA 90004 (323) 661-8093 http://www.jason-thomas.org xxxx@xxxxx-xxxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Thu Apr 7 03:15:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35179-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6149 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:15:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 6137 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:15:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:15:24 -0400 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] palindromic sound In-reply-to: <00f301c539ff$ea8f22e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcU5/7U8yTTE7NKnSpS6pN7LZRHHgQBHbnoA Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elise.cwihosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dmethods.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > From: Davide Morelli > the idea of palindromic sound should be: > > sound: [ABCBA] > so > reflected sound = direct sound > > it is interesting but I don't understand how this should > cancel itself if echoed It doesn't. It would need to be inverted upon reflection. The surface creating the reflection would also have to be perfectly flat with absolutely no dampening. These two requirements are impossible to find in nature. Just think of the quack sound in your typical lake environment and there's nothing in there that observes those very stringent conditions for a perfect cancelling soundwave. > As well as the referece to its fractal structure: > auto-similarity (each part of the sound is similar and > proportional to the previous part and to the next part) is > very intriguing but I still don't see how this should cancel echoes.. > > Now I am curious and I'd like to try to build a palindromic > and fractal sound... > > would a data set like this be both palindromic and fractal? > 010 01210 012343210 01234567876543210 012343210 01210 010 Fractal-ness implies an infinite level of detail. Not all fractals are self-similar, but all self-similar structures are inherently fractal (except degenerate cases). For a self-similar curve comparable to the number sequence above, check the Koch curve. It is a fractal because it has dimension log 4/log 3 (its dimension is a fractional value and not an integer). That value (in this case, somewhere between 1 and 2) means it somehow is more than a line but less than a surface; this is easily pointed out by the fact that the curve has infinite length but encompasses a finite area. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 01:54:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35178-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80698 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:54:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 80687 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:54:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:50:21 -0400 From: marc lafia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Listening to Pictures In-reply-to: <BE7A030C.6E22%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 24.90.15.203 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE7A0A1D.6E2B%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=mE3qu9fCu7AYSYjrJQBNmdKQRRx8X0Yk9uBf5nskLwHv/SK/5gi7kg2btwUtTpG3; User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 X-ELNK-Trace: 2a1598b7cc05879414f7f38be4e43d6c7e972de0d01da9408a7a1b7ce3e4b130fda8ab0c55ce4677350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi everyone, I've been working on a new project called 'Permutations' where on a daily basis I make a number of short films. What I've become interested in is the sound to image relation and the idea of listening to pictures. At the end of day, on a daily basis, I make 1 or ore films from the days materials. I am showing a series of these spatial films on the video wall at Sara Meltzer Gallery in NYC beginning Thurs April 7 for 6 weeks along with painter Moyna Flanigan. If you are in NYC during this time, please go see the work and feel free to post me about connecting. Marc Lafia www.marclafia.com/dev/ http://im.calarts.edu:2500/viralnet/show/HomePage _________ Sara Meltzer Gallery 516 W. 20th St. Opening reception: April 7th, 6-8pm Video Wall: Sara Meltzer Gallery is proud to present selected works from Marc Lafia's Permutations Series. With the computational platform as his lab and mixing board, Marc Lafia explores the shapes, rhythms, and architectures of the image. Engaging the image in its diversity of forms -film, video, photography, intensive field recordings of the everyday Lafia explores the possibilities of the image, tending at once to their affects and their effects. Lafia has exhibited at international venues such as ZKM, Centre Georges Pompidou, The Walker Art Center, and the ICC, Tokyo. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 01:41:43 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35177-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73861 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:41:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 73851 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:41:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:38:58 -0700 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <535-SnapperMsgF4585520BE7A404C@[68.26.72.130]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xdrive.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i've been using Live's sequencing abilities for my studio work since it first came out, and my work is probably the furthest from anything Monolake ever dreamed of, much less related to anything coming out of loop-crazy Germans (and kompakt is one of my favorite labels). granted i never actually use it live (or any software for that matter); i dont even think i really know how to use it effectively in "loop" mode, which is how i assume The 80% use it. it's unfair to target the tools instead of the creativity/flexibility of the user, but it's got a resonate ring of truth in it. however, i think it's less the influence of the tool than it is the desire to sound like someone else and by turn imitating their method and tools. but hey, lazy people have the right to music too. :) ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 22:27:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35171-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96757 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:27:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 96746 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:27:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:36:40 +0000 From: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx auth:71925b1d09fec6f868aea9cb75dd0fbe X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what about running PD-patches compiled as VST-plugins in LIVE- is it still german techno ;-] has anyone experience in things like that? j ,. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 7 00:19:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35176-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47009 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:19:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 46999 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:19:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:18:57 +0200 From: Bernhard Schreiner <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] New instruments & concerts with Lemure To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx O.blaat, Laurent Dailleau, Jeremy Bernstein, Guillaume Largillier and Franck Stofer will gather at Atelier Frankfurt on 8th of April to present an atypical touch panel controller: the LEMUR. It will be the first time these experienced artists use this new device as a live performance tool. Scheduled OFF the MusikMesse (where the JazzMutant* company has its own stand**), this free event is a collaborative and interactive world premiere set in a very convivial environment. Friday, April 08. at atelierfrankfurt open 19.30 concert(s) start at 20.00 Uhr Jazzmutant pres.: Guillaume Largillier (Lemur w/ Max/MSP) O.blaat (Lemur w/ Max/MSP) Laurent Dailleau (Theremin, AKS, Lemur w/ Max/MSP) Franck Stofer (Drumpad, Lemur w/ Reaktor) Jeremy Bernstein (Video work, Lemur w/ Jitter) brought to you by atelierfrankfurt. Supported by Galerie Morgen FREE ENTRY atelierfrankfurt, Hohenstaufenstrasse 13-27, 60327 Frankfurt am Main LEMUR NIGHT à l’ATELIER FRANKFURT, Friday 8th of April 2005. O.BLAAT (Lemur, laptop w/Max/MSP, Japan/USA) "Art of Disappearance" continues. Based in Brooklyn, New York, sound artist, composer, [electroluxe] event schemer, core member of SHARE (http://share.dj), o.blaat (Keiko Uenishi) is known for creating various interactive audio environments such as 'beat piece (with Ping-Pong game)' or 'audio coat check'. All of which were resulted from her ceaseless pursuits of ways to erase the performer's presence and ultimately alter the listening situation altogether. LAURENT DAILLEAU (Theremin, AKS, Lemur, laptop w/Max/MSP, France) Trained as a classical organ player, he started playing theremin in the nineties. Performing on a theremin/laptop computer system, he has written several compositions for the theater, working with French choreographer Michel Schweizer in the late eighties. He often performs solo and collaborates on a regular basis with other performers (his latest project being S.S.S/ Sensors_Sonics_Sights with Cécile Babiole (video/sensors) and Atau Tanaka (BioMuse, computer)). JEREMY BERNSTEIN (Video, Lemur, laptop w/Jitter, USA/Germany) Jeremy Bernstein splits his time between making audio and video works, and developing the software he uses for making them. By chance or design, his sound- and image-based projects and collaborations have been presented throughout Europe and North America. For several years, he has worked with the software company Cycling '74, and is a co-developer of the Jitter multidimensional processing environment. He lives in Berlin, Germany. GUILLAUME LARGILLIER (Lemur, laptop w/Max/MSP, France) Born in the late 1970s, the first years of Guillaume Largillier were not particularly fruitful; his early artistic endeavors included drawn-out studies, the painful acquisition of guitar techniques, felt-pen drawings and modeling clay figurines. The following decade was also not that productive: he spent years fighting with his mouse desperately trying to make his laptop sing. But in 2000, he decided to throw away his mouse and started, together with his friends Pascal Joguet and Julien Olivier, the JazzMutant company. FRANCK STOFER (Drumpad, Lemur, laptop w/Reaktor, France/Japan) Punk hardcore drummer in the late nineties, he started is own record label Sonore (www.sonore.com) in 1998 with a taste for experimental music, releasing artists such as: Ruins, Hoppy Kamiyama, Fuzzybunny, Chris Brown, Carl Stone, Yuko Nexus6, Satoru Wono, and Satanicpornocultshop. Expert in Japanese music, he published the "Japanese Independent Music" ressource book (ed. Sonore, 2001) and naturally relocated to Tokyo in 2003. * http://www.jazzmutant.com ** MusikMesse, JazzMutant’s stand is situated : Hall 5.1, allée D, stand D99 ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! 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Wed Apr 6 23:46:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35175-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36623 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:46:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 36609 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:46:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:45:30 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx hat gesagt: // xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > what about running PD-patches compiled as VST-plugins in LIVE- > is it still german techno ;-] > has anyone experience in things like that? I did a house/techno track for a new year's eve party using Pd once [1], and I'm german, so I guess, yes, I have "experience in things like that". :-) However I only used Pd on Linux for this and some silly samples ("Yeah, Baby" etc.), but no Ableton Live, VST or any other non open source software ... [1] available here: http://footils.org/cms/show/36 Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 23:35:35 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35174-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29659 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:35:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 29649 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:35:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:35:28 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130304be7a212ca4e8@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >microsound aesthetic revolves around >being able to zoom in and out of the time scale. -Regulary update your sampling buffer with a window-shift! [umph..] What a wonderful compositional perspective... 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Wed Apr 6 23:15:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35173-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17113 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:15:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 17103 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:15:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:15:15 -0700 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EmgFYsCcXZjaT4jR+2H8q74iQrDTaT0Y3qrX7XMbM5nFI3j7xmGifD3VYmFOFhotwtC9rPVYML7qs+1hmnr8SHnw1Bo5dLO7RX/GxiKOwq2Ysnok6gLkfwQQ3cRfjHjHyt30+16cziNTsu0hJ1QuNfy8eGoMUod0dGaZmvHo3hE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 6, 2005 2:39 PM, Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > If you look at a program like Ableton Live which is used by probably > > about eighty percent of people making sound and performing out live > > these days, it seems like. It's good for a very few things, it's good > > for working with loops, putting effects on these loops and sequencing > > them, but it pushes you in one creative direction, it pushes you into > > making a certain kind of music, really it pushes you towards German > > techno more than anything else.' Derek Holzer > > No more so than PD pushes you towards "random" noise. While it may be > true that many people who use Live don't venture beyond the "loop, > effect, rinse, repeat" method, you can hardly blame the tool for the > shortcomings of the user's imagination. > These comments are very interesting. I also used cracked software quite a bit after migrating from my first computer music environment (impulse tracker!) but I was really just shopping around. I ended up purchasing Live earlier this year after using a cracked version, since it's so well-designed. It seems to me that a good composition strategy is to have a few environments: Live for real-time DAW stuff and traditional midi/sample sequencing, Cool Edit for sample work/mastering, Pd for real time fuckery/audio programming, and Csound for complex synthesis rendering and cool features (phase vocoder, LPC). Playing a live performance is usually with Live and Pd, although I often make instruments in Pd and then record random parametric experiments for 10-20 mins, and open up the wav file in Live as a clip which I can further process. There are many variations with this combination of tools. I don't think it's fair to bash Live, since it is really quite versatile. Really, the whole microsound aesthetic revolves around being able to zoom in and out of the time scale. I think that this can also apply to the level of programming for the audio. So having a few tools at different levels of the "programmability scale" is advantageous. ~Kyle -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 22:49:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35172-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3849 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:49:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 3839 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:49:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aEnntg7e2l1D+pfIR7I/IcXQWJtF5HLgpZ/M1pVD+5yatFZvj8Cu/Z5s4KPqkHYMKMLUgnSg63S8n7T27ZEu5gbLl6CRbXYmekO9ZH53NdlUmPx591YLyVnmvO6Lr9cMSWPPwB4Z6gMRZ9Qx3f3nqCjqWliK/+QCOEg0JB2mZa4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this is legitamate criticism. people are always so quick to pat one another on the back, especially in micro-niche genres. however, with criticism, one should expect some offerings of alternatives, and/or solutions to avoiding the traps. my first reaction, was, "then,why aren't we all using pro-tools." i know derek isn't pushing that, but what is derek recommending as a path away from the populist german techno sound >?< --- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > what about running PD-patches compiled as > VST-plugins in LIVE- > is it still german techno ;-] > has anyone experience in things like that? > > j ,. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Wed Apr 6 21:39:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35170-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73781 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:39:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 73731 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:39:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:39:24 -0700 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > If you look at a program like Ableton Live which is used by probably > about eighty percent of people making sound and performing out live > these days, it seems like. It's good for a very few things, it's good > for working with loops, putting effects on these loops and sequencing > them, but it pushes you in one creative direction, it pushes you into > making a certain kind of music, really it pushes you towards German > techno more than anything else.' Derek Holzer No more so than PD pushes you towards "random" noise. While it may be true that many people who use Live don't venture beyond the "loop, effect, rinse, repeat" method, you can hardly blame the tool for the shortcomings of the user's imagination. A person who is significantly swayed by a tool (especially one a versatile as Live) I think simply hasn't developed a mastery of that tool. I know my music has gone the complete opposite direction from the path in your quote since starting with Live (that is, away from German techno). k:p P.S. That said, great article, and congrats on being quoted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 20:42:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35169-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41089 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:42:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 41079 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:42:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:42:19 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] 'Anglo-Saxon jargon' In-reply-to: <l03130300be79f603804e@[213.84.105.55]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130301be79f86a10bc@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > from the one from the one . -Is regarded in the Anglo-Saxon jargon as being "a typo"... Glorious 'Anglo-Saxon jargon'- vocabulary allows these discrepeancies within a limited expression range [sarcasm-don't fall in this obvious trap]. AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 20:34:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35168-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35289 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:34:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 35189 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:34:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:34:09 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be79f603804e@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Jason Forrest (aka Donna Summer) -I think Donna Summer's appearance looked different from the one from the one of Jason though... But perhaps they used the same make-up (& make-up artists). Also their tool-chest respectively have different characteristics. But maybe that is a matter of perception, if anything is... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 19:37:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35167-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7673 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:37:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 7663 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:37:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:48:05 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: [microsound] MUTE article on PD + free software To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://linkme2.net/3s 'I used a lot of cracked commercial software for a lot of years when doing sound and I always got a couple of feelings out of it. One feeling was that you get these fancy programs with these fancy user interfaces, but at the end the more they have created this environment that's very easy for you to use, the more they've actually determined the kind of work you can make with it. If you look at a program like Ableton Live which is used by probably about eighty percent of people making sound and performing out live these days, it seems like. It's good for a very few things, it's good for working with loops, putting effects on these loops and sequencing them, but it pushes you in one creative direction, it pushes you into making a certain kind of music, really it pushes you towards German techno more than anything else.' Derek Holzer 'I smashed a G4 laptop computer one time.' Jason Forrest (aka Donna Summer) http://linkme2.net/3s -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 92: "Intentions -credibility of -nobility of -humility of" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 16:48:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35166-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9852 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:48:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 9841 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:48:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:48:08 -0600 From: Ronnie Cramer <xxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cdbaby To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Ronnie Cramer <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <019601c53ac8$6a0ec430$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Scorched Earth Productions MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > does anyone have any experience selling their cd's thru the online shop > CDBaby? > if so care to share your experiences with the list? They make things pretty painless as far as signing up, getting a barcode, etc. I have a number of CDs listed there and I've had nothing but positive experiences with them. When someone buys a disc you are paid promptly, and the purchaser is given the option of sending their name and address (for your mailing list or whatever) as well as their comments and/or feedback. RC -- xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx CULT FILMS http://cultfilms.net ARTWORK http://cramer.org/art MOTORCYCLES http://sepnet.com/cycle MUSIC http://cramer.org/music Scorched Earth Productions P.O. Box 101083 Denver, CO 80250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 16:02:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35165-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90579 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:02:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 90569 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:02:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:02:03 -0700 From: under the radar <xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] (promo?) new music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [205.159.125.4] X-Sender: xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxx_xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2005 16:02:03.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[F979DEE0:01C53AC1] Hey, hello and whatnot. I've posted a new track that I recorded in studio last week with Skyler (from my other band Sounds Like Water Feels Like Fire) and Aaron Mobley, an amazing composer and keyboard player from Dallas. The track is called "Hunter vs. Sandra" and this mix of the song is Zygote-specific, as there are other verions that SLW, FLF does as well. I guess you can just think of it as our version of how Tortoise and Isotope 217 handled "Jetty" and "Le Jetee" (if you don't know what that means, then don't worrry about it). CHECK OUT THE NEW TRACK(and a few others), HUNTER VS. SANDRA HERE http://www.myspace.com/zygote --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 15:33:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35164-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81100 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:33:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 81084 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:33:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:33:05 -0700 From: John McCaig <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cdbaby In-reply-to: <015501c53a88$86b4b440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: John McCaig <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DaYE01juxdtvGtNPY+IL4Z/STs9ALc6kYsfjtGcvAKJYgJlTB9lYwKz3715XNB96dsbci397AkR/PwSD3G1Er+NvjvZcfLHsfeQvHyKs3UcJbSWMoxWQAfzhFYo2eH3cPu8TT+X3Ci+xFE2/7xbkZFZ6dXA4UsjIRlQrCMB1Ir0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <015501c53a88$86b4b440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i still get 1 or 2 sales a month via CDbaby, just based on ppl browsing their site in the ambient section. not bad for me being totally lazy. also, they can give u a bar code, IRSC codes, etc.. great resource, even tho that site is ugly :P On Apr 6, 2005 2:04 AM, David @ Audiobulb <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > CDbaby are world leaders in helping the independant musician take money for > their CD. > > There is a set-up fee, they take 5 copies - they tell you when they have > sold a copy - they request more as you need them. > > I don't think it adds a lot to your promotion power - the shop is a very big > one - and I don't get the esne that people stumble across your release. > > So the emphasis is still on the artists to promote and market where they > can. > > The BIG advantage to CDbaby is they can get your tunes on iTunes - whcih > gives the ipod generation access to your work. > > Perfectly professional outlet in my opinion. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:44 PM > Subject: [microsound] cdbaby > > > does anyone have any experience selling their cd's thru the online shop > > CDBaby? > > if so care to share your experiences with the list? > > thanks! > > KIM > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- john mcCaig | www.johnmccaig.com xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Apr 6 09:11:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35163-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 05:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 05:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55754 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:10:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 55716 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:10:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:04:14 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cdbaby To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <015501c53a88$86b4b440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx CDbaby are world leaders in helping the independant musician take money for their CD. There is a set-up fee, they take 5 copies - they tell you when they have sold a copy - they request more as you need them. I don't think it adds a lot to your promotion power - the shop is a very big one - and I don't get the esne that people stumble across your release. So the emphasis is still on the artists to promote and market where they can. The BIG advantage to CDbaby is they can get your tunes on iTunes - whcih gives the ipod generation access to your work. Perfectly professional outlet in my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: [microsound] cdbaby > does anyone have any experience selling their cd's thru the online shop > CDBaby? > if so care to share your experiences with the list? > thanks! > KIM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Tue Apr 5 18:40:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35161-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64225 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:40:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 64215 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:40:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:40:25 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Wall Street Journal OP ED on File Sharing To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Organization: groovylab MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - liberty.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - groovylab.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Can Justice Scalia Solve the Riddles Of the Internet? Without profit even the digital world will break down. http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110006501 Meg Hourihan gives her, right on, opinion. Why do record/media companies insist that litigation is the answer? http://www.megnut.com/2005/04/rehashing-the-same-stale-file-sharing-argument cheers, Eloy Anzola ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://groovylab.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 17:02:24 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35160-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25072 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:02:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 25058 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:02:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4C56mSWxE5iQjUERcjjbtZ9jisfoMLifyN3YYCAEHhx88hH6hsc7VtYo+xz86mpAXOTKQarVel2z4nWtOfnAx9RKrC+RLE8JIx77z9CL33ktzxtsBwnfmSXDGPMfYzhbzR12sv+n74m3LL0UKdQRWECx0/itthpLtr3TrQDxPm4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree. This concept of building specific modules applies to any software environment for sound-making. There is a common notion of the laptop replacing the orchestra, but it doesn't have to. It is more important to make a responsive and subtle control system than it is to have a "swiss-army knife". In the end, if it sounds good and works, that is the most important thing. andrew --- david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >However, the design strategy I've been noticing > (thanks Derek, for > >such a great lesson in Particle Chamber) from other > peoples patches > >makes me think that it's better to tackle these > different features as > >modular entities, and then tie them together after > they're debugged. > >Otherwise, how are you going to find that blasted > error? > >...I know this is Pd-centric,... > > actually, I don't think this is pd-centric at all - > patcher languages borrow > the concept from object-oriented programming that > code should be modular, > and different parts of code should be insulated from > each other - especially > when dealing with large programs, this is essential > for debugging. the > modest amount bit of pd-patching i've done over the > last few months since > i've been using it i found i've employed a lot of my > (very, very) basic C++ > skills, in terms of making lots of abstractions and > tools that do a specific > but minor job, then cobbling them together in > various ways to make larger > patches, then putting 3 or 4 patches together to > make a performance > environment, for a specific performance. > > I'm not sure how you improvise, but I know that you > have to prepare for a > performance somehow, and that involves refining your > tools, yes, but also > limiting them -- a percussionist, for example, can't > just bring along every > little rattle and drum he's got in his collection > because he thinks he might > want to use it - he selects a few that will > determine his sound-palette for > the evening, then explores the possibilities they > offer. Any > instrumentalist is confined to some extent by the > natural limitations of > their instrument - even pushing the boundaries is > only possible because > there's a boundary there to begin with. Yet > computer musicians, it seems to > me, find themselves with their boundary-pushing > instincts in an empty space > where the only boundaries are mental (how > skilled/imaginative you are, etc). > It's really an old problem, I think - not > overeating when the buffet looks > so good... > > david > > - ---=---^--- -^- -=- - - ^------ - -^---^- -- > --^^ --=== > > http://home.earthlink.net/~davigoli > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 16:51:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35159-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21430 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:51:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 21418 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:51:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:51:50 +0200 From: Davide Morelli <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] palindromic sound To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <00f301c539ff$ea8f22e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > let me see if I understand the concept of 'palindromic echo': > > direct sound: [ABCDE] is emitted by object > reflected sound: [EDCBA] > essentially 'reversing' the sound > is this correct? > the idea of palindromic sound should be: sound: [ABCBA] so reflected sound = direct sound it is interesting but I don't understand how this should cancel itself if echoed As well as the referece to its fractal structure: auto-similarity (each part of the sound is similar and proportional to the previous part and to the next part) is very intriguing but I still don't see how this should cancel echoes.. Now I am curious and I'd like to try to build a palindromic and fractal sound... would a data set like this be both palindromic and fractal? 010 01210 012343210 01234567876543210 012343210 01210 010 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 16:31:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35158-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16210 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:31:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 16200 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:31:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:31:38 -0400 From: david golightly <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.200] X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2005 16:31:39.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1864EA0:01C539FC] >However, the design strategy I've been noticing (thanks Derek, for >such a great lesson in Particle Chamber) from other peoples patches >makes me think that it's better to tackle these different features as >modular entities, and then tie them together after they're debugged. >Otherwise, how are you going to find that blasted error? >...I know this is Pd-centric,... actually, I don't think this is pd-centric at all - patcher languages borrow the concept from object-oriented programming that code should be modular, and different parts of code should be insulated from each other - especially when dealing with large programs, this is essential for debugging. the modest amount bit of pd-patching i've done over the last few months since i've been using it i found i've employed a lot of my (very, very) basic C++ skills, in terms of making lots of abstractions and tools that do a specific but minor job, then cobbling them together in various ways to make larger patches, then putting 3 or 4 patches together to make a performance environment, for a specific performance. I'm not sure how you improvise, but I know that you have to prepare for a performance somehow, and that involves refining your tools, yes, but also limiting them -- a percussionist, for example, can't just bring along every little rattle and drum he's got in his collection because he thinks he might want to use it - he selects a few that will determine his sound-palette for the evening, then explores the possibilities they offer. Any instrumentalist is confined to some extent by the natural limitations of their instrument - even pushing the boundaries is only possible because there's a boundary there to begin with. Yet computer musicians, it seems to me, find themselves with their boundary-pushing instincts in an empty space where the only boundaries are mental (how skilled/imaginative you are, etc). It's really an old problem, I think - not overeating when the buffet looks so good... david - ---=---^--- -^- -=- - - ^------ - -^---^- -- --^^ --=== http://home.earthlink.net/~davigoli --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 15:37:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35157-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94798 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:37:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 94787 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:37:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:37:57 +0100 From: Chris O'Shea <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] game controllers as instruments To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2005 15:38:07.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[77003440:01C539F5] i want to find other examples of artists/programmers that have used game controllers as instruments for audio/visual performances. I am currently compiling a list: http://www.pixelsumo.com/archives/2005/04/game_controller.php does anyone have any work they'd like to share or suggest, credit given back to those making suggestions. please post a comment on the blog if you know of any. thanks -- Chris O'Shea +44(0)7974 968371 me-at-chrisoshea.org website: www.chrisoshea.org blog: www.pixelsumo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 15:24:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35156-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88348 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:24:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 88336 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:24:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:24:43 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***REMINDER_REDUX*** To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce ########################################### - this is where the microsound community should post announcements promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or whatever... ########################################### - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related announcements - after April 8 (this Friday) members still posting announcements to the regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be terminated... - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list or John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list and let them know about the problem you are having... thanks! KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 15:23:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35155-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86323 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 86303 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:23:07 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] palindromic sound To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > A palindrome > is a linguistic > term, and fractal geometries are not described in > terms of that low > level of Cartesian symmetry... let me see if I understand the concept of 'palindromic echo': direct sound: [ABCDE] is emitted by object reflected sound: [EDCBA] essentially 'reversing' the sound is this correct? if this is correct then it is basically bovine excrement there is no process in nature (except human agency) which can 'reverse' the order of sound waves post-reflection analog/nature is basically FIFO, not LIFO in order for a LIFO condition to occur you have to fill a buffer (which takes time) and then spool it out backwards i.e. reverse time and the forward arrow of time doesn't behave this way also, even if palindromic echos were true they wouldn't cancel out the direct sound you can try this very easily with a sound editor open a file containing a dog bark or whatever apply the process 'reverse' in your favorite sound editor do a paste mix of this with the original (make sure to scale each by 50% so you prevent clipping and overload) listen to result now the above is a clean laboratory experiment but when you introduce all the properties of physical reflection into the equation then you are dealing with frequency dependent phase shifts, filtering behaviors due to reflecting material, absorption (freq dependent gain changes) and a slew of other things that happen to a sound after reflection which make it near impossible to use a reflected sound to cancel out a direct sound... any acousticians out there care to comment? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 13:54:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35154-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57150 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:54:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 57140 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:54:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:54:05 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] in larger type In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be7848eaa723@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <l03130300be771221248d@[213.84.105.55]> <l03130300be771221248d@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >conceptual development program -Even better... AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 09:08:38 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35153-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90831 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:08:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 90819 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:08:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:18:55 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Anthony, Anthony Saunders wrote: > I am getting an enormous number of these two errors while attempting to > run Particle Generator under PD 0.38-3 on Mac OS X 10.3 You mean Particle Chamber ;-) Probably this discussion is better had on the PD list at this point, but I'll answer this one here and we can move over if it gets any deeper. > error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) > error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' What the first messages is literally saying is that objects which handle simple numbers don't like to receive audio signals in PD. The second one is saying that an object's inlet is expecting some other kind of message than the floating point number it is receiving. This means that there was probably an error making an object somewhere, because I probably wouldn't make such a silly error in programming ;-) I suspect a missing external or nameclash problem. Does the patch still make sound? Here's a few things to do: 1) Delete the reverb section using [freeverb~], save the patch as a copy and try opening that one. The [freeverb~] object was easy to find for all platforms when I wrote Particle Chamber a year and a half ago, but now it's kind of droppped out of sight. The reverb section is "optional" anyway. This alone migh fix both errors. I'm removing the [freeverb~] dependency from Particle Chamber for future releases, or else I will include binaries of the object for all platforms. 2) Look in the PD terminal and see if you find a message anywhere that says "could not create object". That means you are missing an external library somewhere. You can post me off-list with the name of the object and I can probably tell you what's missing. 3) You can use "Find" in the PD menu to find the last error, and it should open up whatever subpatch the last object which caused and error is in and highlight the object in blue. Let me know which object it is and we can fix this. 4) Check your externals. Most of the OSX installers out there include a large selection of PD externals, so they should be installed (unless you compiled from source, etc etc). In PD, you have to use a startup file which was called ".pdrc" in PD <=0.37 and is called ".pdsettings" in PD >=0.38. The "loadlib" flag tells PD which externals to load. Here is my ".pdsettings" file, located in my home directory (don't copy it directly, as I'm using differents paths and audio API!): audioapi: 5 audioindev1: 0 audiooutdev1: 0 audiobuf: 50 rate: 44100 midiindev1: 2 midioutdev1: 0 path1: /home/derek/pd/rradical/memento path2: /home/derek/pd/ix_toxy path3: /home/derek/pd/berlin standardpath: 1 verbose: 0 loadlib1: zexy loadlib2: iemlib1 loadlib3: iemlib2 loadlib4: iem_mp3 loadlib5: iem_t3_lib loadlib6: OSC loadlib7: dyn~ loadlib8: maxlib loadlib9: Gem loadlib10: pdp loadlib11: pidip loadlib12: pool loadlib13: pmpd defeatrt: 0 flags: -stderr Good luck! d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 116: "Make an exhaustive list of everything you might do and do the last thing on the list" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 08:09:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35152-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76771 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:09:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 76761 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:09:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:08:44 +0200 From: Jean-Louis Huhta <xxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] motion to MIDI In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi I get the message in hotline" remote host refused connection " why is that? best j-l On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:02 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I put a Max patch up on the microsound hotline server that will covert > apple motion sensor data to MIDI information...it was created by > Joshua Goldberg and posted to the Max list today so I thought it might > be of use to laptop/Maxers who want to use laptop motion as a > performative tool... > enjoy! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > http://www.jeanlouis.biz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 08:01:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35150-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72211 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:01:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 72201 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:01:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:01:03 +0000 From: klangfiguren - <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Poland in June? X-Originating-IP: [85.225.97.183] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2005 08:01:04.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D436270:01C539B5] Hi list, I will be visiting Poznan this summer for the opening of an art exibition I am participating in. Is there a microsound-crew in poznan?!!! Any info on exciting things in Poznan or other Polish places is much appreciated, electronic music, impro, gigs, clubs, recordstores, galleries etc. Reply on or off list. xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx /J _________________________________________________________________ Hitta rätt på nätet med MSN Sök http://search.msn.se/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 08:08:22 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35151-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74766 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:08:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 74721 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:08:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:59:23 +0200 From: Alessandro Ludovico <x.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Neural n.22 english ed. [Ubermorgen, Staalplaat Soundsystem, Virus, Lessig, Molleindustria...] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06210204be77e7c360e8@[10.0.0.1]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv5 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The new printed English edition of Neural is out. :: http://www.neural.it/n/n22e.htm .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :: 1 YEAR SUBSCRIPTION! :: 3 issues + 1 electronic music cd :: Europe 24,90 euro. :: World 33,32 U.S: Dollars. :: http://neural.it/subscribe/ .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Tue Apr 5 06:03:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35149-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43413 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:03:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 43403 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:03:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:03:07 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qlLxRbsjEQFD1j4bs5aEH6IGYkmV8D1jsHz+RvLNhf73MHC0RpQUmH1G8Y2E5Ml6JBOmdIMY6uaYKVDUEMNlSJvlgAPv8IOO1g0ntsOdi/AAEdegqu53IIN+9og/OcsPSb2kNsMMBL+g/dIpHY3DOPoPsKeiCbAETEE3S2F0Ikc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree with Andrew. This is really good advice. I think that most people want to minimize their work, and thus wish to create a swiss army knife, when what they really need is a set of quality kitchen knives: specialized for the job. I know that I keep getting frusterated because I want that one sampler utility that can do it all: reverse, one shot, time stretch, pitch shift, dial home to mom, write an essay, etc. However, the design strategy I've been noticing (thanks Derek, for such a great lesson in Particle Chamber) from other peoples patches makes me think that it's better to tackle these different features as modular entities, and then tie them together after they're debugged. Otherwise, how are you going to find that blasted error? RRadical is a good solution to follow (even though I still can't get the blasted thing to run, with paths correct and all). Modular allows you to use what you want and cut the fat. I know this is Pd-centric, but that's the reason externals aren't integrated into the canonical source code very often. We want a light framework for which we can choose the extras. This keeps things simple and light. Besides, think of all the cool stuff the classic electroaccoustic composers have done with nothing but bandpassed noise! ~Kyle On Apr 4, 2005 12:34 PM, andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > David, > I suggest starting small. Come up with one slider > that does something really nice, or a randomizing > sequencer. In my experience, an intensely complex and > algorithmically sophisticated patch is too much to > handle in a performance setting. It's not like hiking > the wilderness. You don't have to prepare yourself > for every possible music situation. Make a patch that > is specific to an immediate need. I always dream of > the all-purpose monolithic performance setup, but it's > frankly unrealistic. The point of making your own > tools is that you can tailor them to your specific, > idiosyncratic needs. Leave the all-purpose stuff to > the people at Adobe. -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Apr 5 03:29:26 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35148-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6581 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:29:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 6571 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:29:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregory Elliott <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Drone Night in Austin X-Originating-IP: [67.65.9.26] To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Eon-Sig: AQF85gpCUgYQAAKHxgEAAAAC,4498d4376f4869a239a9594b9154d0cb X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx An Evening of experimental atmospheric music Inalonelyplace - melodic and ethereal guitar work with atmospheric electronics and a contortionist didjeridoo player (Austin, TX) The Weeds - a constantly evolving group of sounds and words volleying between spare rock drama and trickling melodies (Philadelphia, PA) Spagirus - prepared appalachian dulcimer and effects (Austin, TX) Doug Ferguson - psychedelic music with ambient mood-defining textures. Lately, he has been incorporating his homemade electronic creations into his layers of guitar melodies and feedback (Austin, TX) Bully Pulpit - feedback basses and guitars for some of the deepest drone you will ever experience (Houston, TX) Saturday, April 9th 8pm $5.00 at door Church of The Friendly Ghost- 209 Pedernales, Austin, TX, US http://spagirus.ivdt.net _____________________________________________________________ FREE Email, FREE Websites, FREE Blogs, Occult Auctions, Books, Rituals, Archives, Discussion Area and more at http://www.chaosmagic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 23:46:23 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35146-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36747 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:46:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 36737 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:46:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:46:14 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Anthony Saunders hat gesagt: // Anthony Saunders wrote: > There are also a lot of problems with the Pure-Data.org website.. for > example going here: > > Site error > This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The > errors were: > Error Type > RuntimeError > Error Value > maximum recursion depth exceeded > Request made at > 2005/04/04 22:44:33.393 GMT+2 There currently are several nasty failures at the pd.org website, which is unfortunate, but the server machines have changed, there was some human error involved (a permissions problem) etc. It's a bad time for the website which is a pity for this thread, but that's bad luck. :( I already mailed the site admins (normally I'm one myself, but because of this permissions error I'm actually not an admin currently), and it seems to be a complicated problem, which also affects all "collectors", that is all "art", "patches" etc. collections on pd.org However the search funcionality should still work as should the documentation area. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 23:44:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35145-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34985 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:44:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 34974 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:44:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:44:30 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] The Asphaltic Solution In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-7E0AA015A56311D9B59A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Ashline wrote on 4/5/05: >Think of it like a six lane highway that has gotten over-trafficked by >shipping trailors. The rest of the autos need to get to work and >various other commutes, but the clog of the commercial semis has >become unbearable. Enter the civil traffic engineer. A new road is >constructed with a slightly different path that cuts underneath the >highway. Commercial shipping vehicles are routed there. Four-wheel >traffic stays on the main highway. Traffic congestion is alleviated. >Everyone gets to their destination expediently. Sounds like you miss the New Jersey Turnpike, Bill! <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 23:26:09 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35144-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28363 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:26:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 28352 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:26:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:26:04 +0900 From: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned In-reply-to: <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Bill Ashline <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PcLSxcAY6LoAyLAMgjGOFkVp1pFzjaCPpLVKgILXl5v3QI6eEOIItfvZmvMkWnNQkjB231NtIhQW5MlCXbD0JEhazgxNgBBprN89kE27IxLGCa3VKYbD3aI1DJKS23Q587tUOS9KIQm/sOX0YkbXsCFh0dlxvSG1ezSvqjMCsF4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Apr 3, 2005 8:35 PM, David @ Audiobulb <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I was simply pointing out that the promotion of an event or new music can > provoke discussion regarding the technique, aesthetic or theory there > involved.... > > I am wondering if the split is really useful. Think of it like a six lane highway that has gotten over-trafficked by shipping trailors. The rest of the autos need to get to work and various other commutes, but the clog of the commercial semis has become unbearable. Enter the civil traffic engineer. A new road is constructed with a slightly different path that cuts underneath the highway. Commercial shipping vehicles are routed there. Four-wheel traffic stays on the main highway. Traffic congestion is alleviated. Everyone gets to their destination expediently. > I think the split is less about the difference in content of the two lists > and more about the perceived need of its recipients. I am thinking that > maybe some of the people here are quite self-contained.... working within > their own sphere and not feeling the need to look outside of that.... others > want to here about what is going on in the world of microsound. The split is about the din of announcements drowning out the discussion and clogging the highway. > > So how many people on the discussion list are NOT going to sign up for the > promotion list?... I don't plan to. -- Phonograph, n. An irritating toy that restores life to dead noises. Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 22:50:57 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35143-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14786 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:50:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 14776 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:50:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:36:52 +0100 From: xx@xxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] in larger type In-reply-to: <r02010500-1038-14E46DBEA53211D9B59A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> X-Originating-IP: 85.138.44.154 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxx.xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: PTMail Webmail v1.2.7 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <r02010500-1038-14E46DBEA53211D9B59A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think maybe it's the moment to just start filtering the announcements once and for all. Otherwise this list becomes (or will continue to be...) just a daily and painfull exercise of cleaning the inbox. Thanks Citando vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > bruce tovsky wrote on 4/4/05: > > >conceptual development program > > > >On Apr 4, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: > > > >>> what can I do to make it easier for people to understand? > >> -Reading development program? > > In America, promotional speech promotes attention deficit disorder. > Maybe the list should bulk order some Ritalin from Canada? > > <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Fale com MSN, ICQ, SAPO, Telepac e Netcabo, envie e receba SMS, bocas animadas e muito mais. Consulte http://messenger.sapo.pt para conhecer e instalar totalmente GRÁTIS o novo SAPO Messenger. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 22:02:39 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35142-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93543 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:02:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 93533 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:02:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:02:24 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] motion to MIDI To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I put a Max patch up on the microsound hotline server that will covert apple motion sensor data to MIDI information...it was created by Joshua Goldberg and posted to the Max list today so I thought it might be of use to laptop/Maxers who want to use laptop motion as a performative tool... enjoy! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 21:50:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35141-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88646 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:50:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 88616 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:50:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:49:40 +0200 From: mik <xxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Anthony Saunders schreef: > The recent discussion of PD on this list is very welcome; I have been > dipping my toes into the PD water again after having failed to get > anything to work in earlier betas and am excited about the minor > successes I've had in applying my max/msp knowledge to PD... > > Is there an active community of OS X based PD users? A mailing list or > web-board? Would it be worth installing linux on one of my ibooks to run > linux PD or would that be basically pointless (is there more support & > externals for PD-linux-PPC than PD-darwin-PPC?) > there is a very active community of pd users in general and the number of macosx users is growing. centre of the pd universe are the iem mailing lists ( http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list ), which are probably a better place for your questions concerning the support. (apologies if you know all this already) m -- -------------------------------------------- ----------- http://www.mprims.tk -------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 20:56:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35140-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69967 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:56:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 69955 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:56:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:56:41 -0400 From: Anthony Saunders <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am getting an enormous number of these two errors while attempting to run Particle Generator under PD 0.38-3 on Mac OS X 10.3 error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' There are also a lot of problems with the Pure-Data.org website.. for example going here: Site error This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were: Error Type RuntimeError Error Value maximum recursion depth exceeded Request made at 2005/04/04 22:44:33.393 GMT+2 The recent discussion of PD on this list is very welcome; I have been dipping my toes into the PD water again after having failed to get anything to work in earlier betas and am excited about the minor successes I've had in applying my max/msp knowledge to PD... Is there an active community of OS X based PD users? A mailing list or web-board? Would it be worth installing linux on one of my ibooks to run linux PD or would that be basically pointless (is there more support & externals for PD-linux-PPC than PD-darwin-PPC?) thanks! Anthony --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 18:29:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35139-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9453 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:29:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 9443 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:29:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:29:33 +0200 From: marc <x@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] DEKORDER///NEWS///04.2005 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06200704be772e26bd08@[80.171.130.138]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (((this is my last promotional mail to the list. if you'd like to receive the dekorder newsletter in the future and not subscribe to the microsound announcements list please send a message to x@xxxxxxxx.xxx with "subscribe" in the subject line))) --- --- formta: CDDA label: dekorder serila: dekorder 009 artits: p×p titel: nada release: april 11, 2005 check 'em out --- transposed version what is pxp? pxp is the short identifier of the department for penetration and perversion, a farmersmanual subunit located at [http://wrzk.web.fm/]. necessarily in the spirit of the superunit the department's activities touch a wide range of areas with interleaving methodology and the sonic mapping of which being one subset. the topics being covered might be distilled to exploration of dynamic and selforganizing structures. --- what is nada? nada is the second realworld manifestation in the shape of an Audio CD precipitated by pxp on impulse of hamburg based experimental music label dekorder. much in the style of an earlier work , "while(p){print"."," "x$p++}", wavetrap, 2002, which has received an honourable mention in digital musics at ars electronica the same year for being perceived as "a jutting mass of digitized disturbance that fueled our direct reckoning with destabilized mathematics" by the jury, nada represents a snapshot of the landscape a couple of metamorphoses further down the same n-dimensional road, 5 < n < \infty/2, but giving in to a slight pull from self-sufficient, specialized systems living in close proximity to more open, general purpose communication networks. --- why this all is probably great and you should buy it? here we are in the lucky position to extrapolate from responses to the aforementioned work "while(p){print"."," "x$p++}": "The sudden jolt of pxp peeled open all collected ears." 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Mon Apr 4 18:18:01 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35138-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4205 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:17:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 4194 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:17:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 2 Apr 2005 08:08:29 -0000 Issue 1383 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx That sounds like a load of horsepucky to me - in order for an echo to cancel the original sound out, it needs to not only be inversely palindromic, but you would need to be standing in the space where the returning echo passes the still-outgoing original sound. At that point, you'd only slightly hear the original sound, since the echo would have less amplitude. If the echo was simply palindromic instead of inversely palindromic, you wouldn't notice an echo, but you'd hear the original quack louder. Still, I like the idea of selling quacking anti-radar technology to the army (see the link). Quacking planes could pass undetected, sure. Perhaps they could come up with a quacking stealth-suit. It'd stand out visually, with all the bills sticking out, but would allow the wearer to move silently like the ninja. From: John Hopkins <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FRPS - Fractally Reverse-Palindromic >A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why > >http://flagonthemoon.blogspot.com/2005/03/fun-facts-about-animals.html > >is this true? >anybody can explain this a little better? > It's certainly not an evolution-directed development, as ducks aren't normally in spaces where echo/non-echo sounding is necessary, I would like to see a scope of the wave-form... I did a quick google on the phrase "Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave" and also quite a few variations, with no relevant returns -- I am thinking this is a joke anyway. A palindrome is a linguistic term, and fractal geometries are not described in terms of that low level of Cartesian symmetry... jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 17:50:56 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35136-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90731 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:50:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 90721 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:50:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:50:49 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] in larger type In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-14E46DBEA53211D9B59A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bruce tovsky wrote on 4/4/05: >conceptual development program > >On Apr 4, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: > >>> what can I do to make it easier for people to understand? >> -Reading development program? In America, promotional speech promotes attention deficit disorder. Maybe the list should bulk order some Ritalin from Canada? <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 17:56:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35137-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93760 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:56:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 93750 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:56:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:38:52 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006901c5393f$9b9540e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <004901c538ec$9677d440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx perceived need is fine Kas its good to be intouch with what you need.... i don't think anyone but yourself is in a position to tell you what that might be.... fried eggs make a great noise when they are cooking ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kassen" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned > David @ Audiobulb; > >> I think the split is less about the difference in content of the two >> lists >> and more about the perceived need of its recipients. I am thinking that >> maybe some of the people here are quite self-contained.... working within >> their own sphere and not feeling the need to look outside of that.... > others >> want to here about what is going on in the world of microsound. > > Yes, I think that might very well be true to some degree. I know I find > I´m > gaining much more from getting discussion to read or links to articles or > pointers to books then I am getting out of anouncements of shows I can > rarely attend. I think a split list where I could get one and not the > other > would serve my needs much better. I don´t think this has anything to do > with > "living within my own sphere" even if I may do so in some regards. I think > being interested in discussions and discussing would be opposed in > additude > to being self contained. I like things that serve my preceived needs, I´m > also weary of people that feel my preceived needs are wrong and that imply > that I should instead preceive to need what they want me to need. > >> >> So how many people on the discussion list are NOT going to sign up for >> the >> promotion list? > > Well, I´m not signing up to the anouncements list. I find the amount of > anouncements on this list makes the discusions harder to follow, partially > because -as was pointed out elsewhere- people are using threads from > discussions for anouncements. If it were easier to sort the anouncements I > might feel differently but with many of these events it takes me some time > to even figure out what *continent* this event is held on. This makes > these > equivalent to noise in my experience. If some sorting cireteria could be > established I might feel different. I could sort [cd] advertisements from > [record] ones and of cource regardless of how facinating the topic of a > performance is; I simply won´t attend it if it´s in Sidney or Brazilia > this > evening since I am in The Hague. > > This is indeed serving my preceived needs, I have some hope that the split > might lead to more statisfaction in my subjective experience. I´m not > ashamed to admit that some of the best aspects of my life are purely > comming > from fullfilling my preceived needs. I realy, realy like that. Now I´m > going > to bake eggs with ham and cheese for breakfast. I don´t actually need > those > but I expect that won´t matter at all in my perception. > > ;¬) > Kas. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 17:34:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35135-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82401 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:34:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 82387 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:34:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=n7O2zV+WgZseKbUTBdZclxed8PVkQdofl6jtNXNx+b5q8dHGYF2n7x6ZTGJATFe3A3d24jp3R35ZszPTfEQq/n3hGiQtw1w8eSE6BfiRnP3YogpnRfDk5NGPAq7Mq/MOzx4HL7GVrDXnURiuDc50c52KMzMch9X6XzUijoRkhIs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David, I suggest starting small. Come up with one slider that does something really nice, or a randomizing sequencer. In my experience, an intensely complex and algorithmically sophisticated patch is too much to handle in a performance setting. It's not like hiking the wilderness. You don't have to prepare yourself for every possible music situation. Make a patch that is specific to an immediate need. I always dream of the all-purpose monolithic performance setup, but it's frankly unrealistic. The point of making your own tools is that you can tailor them to your specific, idiosyncratic needs. Leave the all-purpose stuff to the people at Adobe. When you get down to it, everything in max or pd is about sending numbers around and manipulating those numbers. Some of the most fascinating sounds can be implemented just by doing math on oscillating signals. Also, think of ways to get some numbers into your patch from the analog world (i.e. contact mics, joysticks, keyboards, etc.). Hope that helps. andrew --- David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi Derek, > > This was a helpful post. I guess it's number 3 that > I'm most > interested in, events over time. The effects > processing would really > need to fit in with this, as I already have the > ability to do a huge > variety of effects processing in other programs. > For that matter, I can > work with microsound easily in sound editor programs > (Sound Forge/ > Cubase/ Audacity etc), it's just that I can't do it > in real time - I > can't improvise with it! > > What I'm most interested in is turning PD into an > "instrument," > something that I can play and feel inspired in the > same way I enjoy > improvising on a piano or synth. I want something > that I could use to > improvise with next to a live saxophonist, and not > feel I've exhausted > my possibilities in, say, ten minutes. One problem > is perhaps that > although I can "hear" things in my head, logically > programming them is a > bit beyond me. Perhaps my background in jazz has me > relying on > intuition too much - and honestly, I wouldn't really > be that keen on > having to build my own piano, I'm glad that > instruments already exist to > some degree. But obviously, going deeper in > performance/composition is > going to require custom interfaces. > > I think I'm obviously going to have to master the > wavetable aspects to > really get something exciting this way, as there's > no need to replicate > a synthesizer. I also think that I may actually > need to figure out how > to interface PD and Python, since coding certain > things in Python might > be more logical, especially for certain aleatoric > tasks. What is most > clear to me is that I have to design the interface > compositionally, to > allow for a variety of nuanced expressions, from > dense to minimal, from > music to noise, with the same range of expression > that I would have if I > were writing a piece for string quartet. This seems > like the real trick > - to come up with one neat sound effect is fine, but > to have enough > processes built into the interface to respond to > every kind of improv > situation seems quite daunting! > > ~David > > > >>> xxxxx@x-x.xxx 04/03/05 06:52AM >>> > Hi David, > > David Powers wrote: > > What I'm wondering is, conceptually, what kinds > of patches have > people designed using PD? > > Frank Barknecht's RRADical patches, Roads' > "Microsound" book and my > Particle Chamber patch are all good places to start > looking, as Frank > and Charles both noted. > > I usually start my workshops by showing the big > white blank of the PD > interface, and then explaining that alhough you can > run part of a > webserver, do a VJ set or make your own version of > Reason with the > exact > same software, the best part is that the interface > doesn't tell you to > > do any of that. You really have to bring your own > ideas, and your > knowledge about how to execute those ideas, to PD or > else it won't do > anything for you at all. > > For any kind of performance patch, there's a few > areas to concentrate > on, and these are the things I think about for all > my work in PD: > > 1) Live signal processing: take sound from the > soundcard or another > sound app in realtime and do something to it. > Something like building > your own VST plugins. Many effects are possible from > the creative > application of time delay: echoes, reverb, phasing, > comb-filtering, > pitch-shifting, granulation, etc etc. The rest are > mostly done with > filter algorithms (themselves sometimes based on > delays). Understanding > > not only how those effects work in the analog world, > but also how the > computer actually handles sound (as samples) is > essential to building > any kind of Digital Sound Processing effects. Look > at Roads' "Computer > > Music Tutorial" or Charles Dodge's "Computer Music" > for basic computer > > audio know-how. The Roads book is for math nerds, > the Dodge book is not > ;-) > > 2) Static soundfile processing: take a soundfile > from the harddrive and > > do something to it, a sampler or loop-player being > the most primitive > example. My Particle Chamber patch takes a soundfile > and granulates it, > > with an XY table to determine what part of the > soundfile is being > chopped up and how fast or slow the files gest > "scanned" through. > (Incidentally, this is the exact same method Live > uses to time-synch > all > the loops you put in it, but the granulation is > hidden from the user). > > Much of what you can do with static soundfiles can > also be done with > realtime delay lines. Essentially, all you are doing > is locating > various > points within a table, and telling PD to start and > stop playback at > those various points. > > 3) Events over time: this is another way of talking > about such things > as > sequencers and envelope generators--they are simply > a description of an > > event over a duration (i.e. play a note, start a > loop, turn the volume > > up and down, change the pitch, lengthen the > delay...). There's an > interesting thread about sequencers on the PD list > right now, with > people discussing everything from the traditional > piano roll and bar > staff to using data structures. Generative or > algorithmic event > creation > also falls into this area, i.e. things like neural > networks and so on. > > My patches generally combine all three of these > things, and I find that > > the most challenging part is the last one. Making > and using one effect > > in PD does not constitute a "performance" (a filter > sweep does not a > techno track make). Finding creative ways of > controlling that one > effect > brings you a lot closer to making art with it. > > good luck! > derek > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 189: > "You are an engineer" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > === message truncated === Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. 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Mon Apr 4 17:20:13 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35134-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77594 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:20:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 77584 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:20:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew benson <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] where is greenpeace anyway? In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? 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No perceived pain. andrew --- jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > peter blasser is a nut. i think i recall seeing an > email from him on > this list at some point. are you still here, peter? > you're a nut! > > that worm-powered synth is one of the most bizarre > things i've ever seen. > > it starts to make me uncomfortable around this > quote: "They squirm > into action as all the nodes are stimulating them > and they crawl > around touching thiings together and making it go > crazy." > > do they really mean to squirm or are these low > voltage shocks just > causing them to convulse? yikes. > > not a wormologist, > -jake > > On Apr 4, 2005 3:29 AM, Andrey Kiritchenko > <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/03/diy-worm-powered-synth.html > > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/02/hamster-powered-midi-sequencer.html > > > > - .. - + , , .. +++> - > > environmental music : http://www.nexsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Andrew Benson www.cloud-machine.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mon Apr 4 16:44:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35133-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58574 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:44:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 58564 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:44:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:44:19 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] in larger type In-reply-to: <l03130300be771221248d@[213.84.105.55]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <l03130300be771221248d@[213.84.105.55]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx conceptual development program On Apr 4, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote: >> what can I do to make it easier for people to understand? > -Reading development program? > > AvS > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + > > ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | > | http://www.schreck.nl/ | > | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | > ` *===========================================================++ > ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | > ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | > ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | > ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | > > ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | > > *===========================================================++ > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ..................................................................... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 16:03:40 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35132-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43284 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:03:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 43274 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:03:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:03:21 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] coding help needed for microsound site To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John is starting to redo some back end server stuff for the microsound lists and the TWiki site if you have experience in server side scripting and can pitch in some hours for the community then please contact John Saylor xxxxx@xxx.xxx thanks! 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Mon Apr 4 15:56:58 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35131-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40016 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:56:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 40005 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:56:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:59:24 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Derek, This was a helpful post. I guess it's number 3 that I'm most interested in, events over time. The effects processing would really need to fit in with this, as I already have the ability to do a huge variety of effects processing in other programs. For that matter, I can work with microsound easily in sound editor programs (Sound Forge/ Cubase/ Audacity etc), it's just that I can't do it in real time - I can't improvise with it! What I'm most interested in is turning PD into an "instrument," something that I can play and feel inspired in the same way I enjoy improvising on a piano or synth. I want something that I could use to improvise with next to a live saxophonist, and not feel I've exhausted my possibilities in, say, ten minutes. One problem is perhaps that although I can "hear" things in my head, logically programming them is a bit beyond me. Perhaps my background in jazz has me relying on intuition too much - and honestly, I wouldn't really be that keen on having to build my own piano, I'm glad that instruments already exist to some degree. But obviously, going deeper in performance/composition is going to require custom interfaces. I think I'm obviously going to have to master the wavetable aspects to really get something exciting this way, as there's no need to replicate a synthesizer. I also think that I may actually need to figure out how to interface PD and Python, since coding certain things in Python might be more logical, especially for certain aleatoric tasks. What is most clear to me is that I have to design the interface compositionally, to allow for a variety of nuanced expressions, from dense to minimal, from music to noise, with the same range of expression that I would have if I were writing a piece for string quartet. This seems like the real trick - to come up with one neat sound effect is fine, but to have enough processes built into the interface to respond to every kind of improv situation seems quite daunting! ~David >>> xxxxx@x-x.xxx 04/03/05 06:52AM >>> Hi David, David Powers wrote: > What I'm wondering is, conceptually, what kinds of patches have people designed using PD? Frank Barknecht's RRADical patches, Roads' "Microsound" book and my Particle Chamber patch are all good places to start looking, as Frank and Charles both noted. I usually start my workshops by showing the big white blank of the PD interface, and then explaining that alhough you can run part of a webserver, do a VJ set or make your own version of Reason with the exact same software, the best part is that the interface doesn't tell you to do any of that. You really have to bring your own ideas, and your knowledge about how to execute those ideas, to PD or else it won't do anything for you at all. For any kind of performance patch, there's a few areas to concentrate on, and these are the things I think about for all my work in PD: 1) Live signal processing: take sound from the soundcard or another sound app in realtime and do something to it. Something like building your own VST plugins. Many effects are possible from the creative application of time delay: echoes, reverb, phasing, comb-filtering, pitch-shifting, granulation, etc etc. The rest are mostly done with filter algorithms (themselves sometimes based on delays). Understanding not only how those effects work in the analog world, but also how the computer actually handles sound (as samples) is essential to building any kind of Digital Sound Processing effects. Look at Roads' "Computer Music Tutorial" or Charles Dodge's "Computer Music" for basic computer audio know-how. The Roads book is for math nerds, the Dodge book is not ;-) 2) Static soundfile processing: take a soundfile from the harddrive and do something to it, a sampler or loop-player being the most primitive example. My Particle Chamber patch takes a soundfile and granulates it, with an XY table to determine what part of the soundfile is being chopped up and how fast or slow the files gest "scanned" through. (Incidentally, this is the exact same method Live uses to time-synch all the loops you put in it, but the granulation is hidden from the user). Much of what you can do with static soundfiles can also be done with realtime delay lines. Essentially, all you are doing is locating various points within a table, and telling PD to start and stop playback at those various points. 3) Events over time: this is another way of talking about such things as sequencers and envelope generators--they are simply a description of an event over a duration (i.e. play a note, start a loop, turn the volume up and down, change the pitch, lengthen the delay...). There's an interesting thread about sequencers on the PD list right now, with people discussing everything from the traditional piano roll and bar staff to using data structures. Generative or algorithmic event creation also falls into this area, i.e. things like neural networks and so on. My patches generally combine all three of these things, and I find that the most challenging part is the last one. Making and using one effect in PD does not constitute a "performance" (a filter sweep does not a techno track make). Finding creative ways of controlling that one effect brings you a lot closer to making art with it. good luck! derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 189: "You are an engineer" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 15:49:18 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35130-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37361 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:49:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 37318 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:49:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:49:09 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] in larger type In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be771221248d@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >what can I do to make it easier for people to understand? -Reading development program? AvS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # | | http://www.schreck.nl/ | | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ | ` *===========================================================++ ` |Compositions http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | ` |Samples http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | ` |Patches http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | ` |Videos http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | ` |Scores http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | *===========================================================++ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...................................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 15:44:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35129-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35329 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:44:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 35319 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:44:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:44:40 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] in larger type To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? once again: discussion happens on microsound > or promote a discussion? promotion happens on microsound-announce is it really that difficult to grasp? what can I do to make it easier for people to understand? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 14:59:07 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35128-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22266 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:59:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 22255 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:59:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:59:01 -0500 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] where is greenpeace anyway? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UEzALy/u/jAyEW4LTeE/hN08Zt9atx6lyEP/NKC27kHNdEKyLRKxOQIgpwlCoGi6tVkiC81woQSMy7GljSsRUw3UZrfYQ3zU9cEQKDgxHePyZtZ/mZyCSSmzwKaqMS10wzzA/Kjh/qU8OQm2RnOqzFETBgl1if4itSlpOz713to= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx peter blasser is a nut. i think i recall seeing an email from him on this list at some point. are you still here, peter? you're a nut! that worm-powered synth is one of the most bizarre things i've ever seen. it starts to make me uncomfortable around this quote: "They squirm into action as all the nodes are stimulating them and they crawl around touching thiings together and making it go crazy." do they really mean to squirm or are these low voltage shocks just causing them to convulse? yikes. not a wormologist, -jake On Apr 4, 2005 3:29 AM, Andrey Kiritchenko <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/03/diy-worm-powered-synth.html > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/02/hamster-powered-midi-sequencer.html > > - .. - + , , .. +++> - > environmental music : http://www.nexsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 10:20:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35127-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 06:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 06:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47196 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:20:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 47185 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:20:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:20:20 +0200 From: rnlx <xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] netlabel questionnaire To: microsound list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at glasgow.scriptroom.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx sorry for cross-posting. hello everyone, a friend of mine is currently working on a research project on netlabels and he set up a questionnaire. if youre into the netlabel-scene or have your own thoughts on open-content and the music-business, feel free to download the word-file and fill in your answers. the website is http://www.c3.hu/~bram/ and the direct link is http://www.c3.hu/~bram/netlabel_questionnaire.doc (for practical reasons in the proprietary m$-format...) thank you very much, rnlx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 08:29:21 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35126-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61705 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:29:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 61694 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:29:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:29:15 +0300 From: Andrey Kiritchenko <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] where is greenpeace anyway=?windows-1251?Q?=3f?= X-Originating-IP: unknown via proxy [80.249.229.86] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Andrey Kiritchenko <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/03/diy-worm-powered-synth.html http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/02/hamster-powered-midi-sequencer.html - .. - + , , .. +++> - environmental music : http://www.nexsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 08:03:10 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35125-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55760 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:03:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 55750 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:03:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:01:59 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004901c538ec$9677d440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David @ Audiobulb; > I think the split is less about the difference in content of the two lists > and more about the perceived need of its recipients. I am thinking that > maybe some of the people here are quite self-contained.... working within > their own sphere and not feeling the need to look outside of that.... others > want to here about what is going on in the world of microsound. Yes, I think that might very well be true to some degree. I know I find I´m gaining much more from getting discussion to read or links to articles or pointers to books then I am getting out of anouncements of shows I can rarely attend. I think a split list where I could get one and not the other would serve my needs much better. I don´t think this has anything to do with "living within my own sphere" even if I may do so in some regards. I think being interested in discussions and discussing would be opposed in additude to being self contained. I like things that serve my preceived needs, I´m also weary of people that feel my preceived needs are wrong and that imply that I should instead preceive to need what they want me to need. > > So how many people on the discussion list are NOT going to sign up for the > promotion list? Well, I´m not signing up to the anouncements list. I find the amount of anouncements on this list makes the discusions harder to follow, partially because -as was pointed out elsewhere- people are using threads from discussions for anouncements. If it were easier to sort the anouncements I might feel differently but with many of these events it takes me some time to even figure out what *continent* this event is held on. This makes these equivalent to noise in my experience. If some sorting cireteria could be established I might feel different. I could sort [cd] advertisements from [record] ones and of cource regardless of how facinating the topic of a performance is; I simply won´t attend it if it´s in Sidney or Brazilia this evening since I am in The Hague. This is indeed serving my preceived needs, I have some hope that the split might lead to more statisfaction in my subjective experience. I´m not ashamed to admit that some of the best aspects of my life are purely comming from fullfilling my preceived needs. I realy, realy like that. Now I´m going to bake eggs with ham and cheese for breakfast. I don´t actually need those but I expect that won´t matter at all in my perception. ;¬) Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 07:32:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35124-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 03:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 03:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45559 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 07:32:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 45548 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 07:32:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 03:32:46 -0400 From: Alan Sondheim <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] enlightement In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Alan Sondheim <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Y0tK8xrTF/zSlLKRgFW/AwVSUrqFXWTwnLiilcsfLtA8M8+SaZdMbm/C1XgsBo41S0fhOORcgkmyoJq31RncYNnDLzNBRixf+dsJKRVuI5AtA4XsBIbKubHI3EYIi7s7UCx3LjYuPwsxA/gGjtWN7NBO4IvB+Im1G3JmMAAOecQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You can also use Mathematica, the program Wolfram et.al. developed, for sound production of course - Alan On Apr 3, 2005 6:16 PM, Jorge Bachmann <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i just added an entry to the book list in TWiki site > > _A New Kind of Science _ - Stephen Wolfram (Wolfram Media Inc. 2002) > > very complex [for me at least] but a source of new ideas to work with! > you can also check the authors website > > http://www.stephenwolfram.com > > or the book website > > http://www.wolframscience.com > > paz > J21 > > justino > aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound > P.O.Box 15953 > San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 > M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com > W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Apr 4 02:53:37 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35123-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68971 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:53:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 68952 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:53:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:53:27 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BY7M8KPt4sl9I7Y2JzSLUBWlhWGNWF1IGmpnccXUas9/LYHDBZeN6QRHi8J9Mux80Pjx8DIj0WBG1H5ERPQP3ssgsMzr80RR+suBFbSGvN0mp+u4Hysa8NA7oKBTefuwXpZguez4XCVJb2RTCFiXQF8o/mqydV/kaiXpvyymXgY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I agree with Derek, in that control algorithms are the trickiest to come by. For example, even looking at his granular synthesis patch, there isn't a lot of extreme sophistication at the atomic grain level. The art comes in the interface, and how to control the multitude of parametric information that accesses this relatively simple device. A tricky thing with sequencers is that we've all had experience with various versions of the piano roll, or even score editing (i.e. Csound). But we want something exotic; that's why we choose more esoteric music software. But then, how are we to sequence? It is challenging to create new paradigms to explore without referencing previous paradigms. A valid strategy is to use the existing methods for what they're good at, no need to reinvent the wheel. But, when you find these tools lacking, use that as inspiration to design extensions with the appropriate software. Of course, reinventing the wheel can be a great lesson in software design, and might even make you respect the brilliant designers who implement free and commercial strategies (abelton, pd, cycling74, etc). ~Kyle On Apr 3, 2005 6:52 AM, derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> wrote: > 3) Events over time: this is another way of talking about such things as > sequencers and envelope generators--they are simply a description of an > event over a duration (i.e. play a note, start a loop, turn the volume > up and down, change the pitch, lengthen the delay...). There's an > interesting thread about sequencers on the PD list right now, with > people discussing everything from the traditional piano roll and bar > staff to using data structures. Generative or algorithmic event creation > also falls into this area, i.e. things like neural networks and so on. > > My patches generally combine all three of these things, and I find that > the most challenging part is the last one. Making and using one effect > in PD does not constitute a "performance" (a filter sweep does not a > techno track make). Finding creative ways of controlling that one effect > brings you a lot closer to making art with it. -- http://perhapsidid.blogspot.org (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 23:31:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35122-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 668 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:31:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 653 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:31:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:33:32 +0200 From: INDEXOF <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] new netlabel X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a05111602be76259450b8@[192.168.1.33]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-AOL-IP: 195.93.61.17 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ....just a short announcement: INDEXOF * is a new netlabel based in berlin, germany * is dedicated to experimental electronics, and more * favours minimalist aesthetics, but is willing to forget about this we welcome your submissions (download links please!) as well as any comments. best, kk // INDEXOF http://www.indexof.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 22:58:20 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35121-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87596 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:58:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 87585 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:58:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:58:12 -0400 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Elements of Computer Music (was PD newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-DB874485A49311D98E45000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Frank Barknecht wrote on 4/4/05: >Actually the real computer music book for math nerds IMO is F. Richard >Moore: "Elements of Computer Music". A wonderful book, older then all >the others, has no mentioning of "grain" in its index and starts off >with explaining the Fourier transform before even mentioning the word >"filter". The underdog of CM books was here first. Frank- Coincidentally, I happened across the following tidbit about Moore's book yesterday: >The best source of information on cmusic and the pv programs is my book >Elements of Computer Music (be sure to obtain the third printing (the >Library of Congress page says "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3") which contains >corrections of hundreds of errata as compared with earlier printings >(this printing was done in early 1994). This from: <http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusiclinux.html> Best, Charles <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 22:46:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35120-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82254 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:46:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 82243 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:46:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:46:21 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, derek holzer hat gesagt: // derek holzer wrote: > The Roads book is for math nerds, the Dodge book is not ;-) Actually the real computer music book for math nerds IMO is F. Richard Moore: "Elements of Computer Music". A wonderful book, older then all the others, has no mentioning of "grain" in its index and starts off with explaining the Fourier transform before even mentioning the word "filter". The underdog of CM books was here first. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 22:16:50 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35119-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73137 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:16:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 73127 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:16:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:16:33 -0700 From: Jorge Bachmann <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] enlightement To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5G6FwoYvX0NyvRCxpVYu7A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_5G6FwoYvX0NyvRCxpVYu7A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just added an entry to the book list in TWiki site _A New Kind of Science _ - Stephen Wolfram (Wolfram Media Inc. 2002) very complex [for me at least] but a source of new ideas to work with! you can also check the authors website http://www.stephenwolfram.com or the book website http://www.wolframscience.com paz J21 justino aka jorge bachmann sculpture-photography-sound P.O.Box 15953 San Francisco, CA 94115-0953 M-415-706-9629 http://anihilo.com W-415-750-3517 http://ruidobello.org --Boundary_(ID_5G6FwoYvX0NyvRCxpVYu7A)-- From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 21:15:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35118-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53964 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:15:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 53952 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:15:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:15:30 +0100 From: Steve Goodman <x.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] MA Sonic Culture - University of East London To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xx-xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: high Priority: Urgent X-Priority: 1 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: MA Sonic Culture - University of East London Thread-index: AcU4kkQhnhQy+Z2aQaiFaQxy7z+O/Q== Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx MA Sonic Culture - 2006/7 - Accepting Applications Now University of East London (http://www.uel.ac.uk/programmes/ssmcs/postgraduate/summary/sonicculture.htm) This unique theory/practice MA programme attempts to compensate for the deep rooted visual bias of Western culture, and by implication, the lack of rigorous theoretical analysis of the field of sonic culture, the intersection between the soundscape and cybernetic society. The programme develops a specific range of conceptual tools to critically engage and produce in this context. The MA Sonic Culture takes an interdisciplinary approach, and aims to develop a critical understanding of the role of sound in digital culture providing a methodology and an approach to digital sound design and analysis across a range of traditional and emergent media. Theoretically, the MA explores the emergent space and time of the acoustic cyberspace, and the relevance of concepts such as microsound, sonic affect, the audio-visual contract, the virtual, simulation, synesthesia, afrofuturism, remixology and digital accidents in relation to sonic culture in digital capitalism. To do this, we draw material from the histories of recorded sound in 20th century electronic music, theories of film sound, and frameworks from fiction, cultural theory, critical musicology, philosophy, digital aesthetics, cybernetics, acoustics, physiology, psychoacoustics, sciences of complexity and theories of power, gender and diaspora, in order to provide students with a conceptual basis for critical and creative sound analysis and production. The core module of the MA programme, is the theoretically oriented Sonic Culture (Semester A); the recommended option is Audio-Vision which has a theory/practice component (Semester B). Students wishing to follow a practice oriented pathway may also take the Media Production option in Semester A. Students following a theory/practice route through the MA in Sonic Culture will develop projects in relation to any the key concepts explored in the course through recording, sampling, editing, manipulating, sequencing and synthesising sound using various digital audio software packages. Enquiries to Programme Leader: Steve Goodman (x.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xx) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 20:09:33 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35117-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27798 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:09:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 27788 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:09:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:10:00 -0400 From: Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] vsti In-reply-to: <000c01c5387a$3c9488a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE75C5D8.8978%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 4/3/05 2:23 PM, David @ Audiobulb at xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx wrote: > halion - steinberg > > http://www.arbitermt.co.uk/steinberg/products/halion_stringeditionvol1.htm Purrfect! 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Sun Apr 3 18:42:49 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35116-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1296 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:42:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 1286 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:42:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:42:41 -0400 From: chthonic streams <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OSX recording to analog mixer? In-reply-to: <001701c53875$663ab620$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> X-Sender: chthonic%xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p05200f06be75df36a594@[64.63.223.194]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE75A48B.8970%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <001701c53875$663ab620$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx sorry for the O/T nature of this question, but... i'm about to upgrade my studio. i formerly used ADAT XTs, but have grown tired of tape-based systems (yes i know this is old news). i was thinking of getting the alesis hard disk recorder, then suddenly i realized something: why can't i just use my laptop as a hard disk recorder? i know there's multitrack software out there for OSX, although i don't know what it's called (other than protools, which i'm not sure if i really want). but here's my main question/problem: i have a 32-channel analog board i just got overhauled and lots of beloved outboard gear. is there some kind of interface i can get that will take the multitrack output from my laptop and convert it to analog, still as separate tracks? in other words, it would have to have a lot of analog ins/outs, like the back of an HD24. i know people would say i'm crazy for not using the automated mixing in a computer, but i love my board and my outboard fx. i don't want it to be 100% in the digital realm, plus i want to use gear that i'm familiar with. besides, i like to reach out and touch knobs, not use a mouse or buy some expensive control surface. i just did a little googling and came up with a few 8-channel A/D/A units (behringer and RME), but i don't know if this would work if i'm mixing something with 24-32 tracks at once. for example, i think i could get 3 or 4 of these: http://www.behringer.com/ADA8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG and then connect them to something like the RME interface that has inputs for multiple ADATs, which would then connect to the computer via firewire. how's the quality of these converters? is this worth it to save a few hundred bucks and have all my multitrack in easily transportable/backup-ready form (ie, on a computer)? or would this be more hassle and expense than just buying an HD24? feel free to reply offlist if you think this is too far off-topic. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 18:23:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35115-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96427 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:23:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 96417 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:23:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:23:28 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] vsti To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c5387a$3c9488a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE75A48B.8970%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx halion - steinberg http://www.arbitermt.co.uk/steinberg/products/halion_stringeditionvol1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al C" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [microsound] vsti > Hi gang, > > Can anyone recommend a good vsti (compatible with Mac osx) that does > strings > nicely? Also, It would be a plus if wasn't very expensive. Freeware would > be > even better:-) > > best, > omnid > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 18:20:19 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35114-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93867 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:20:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 93857 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:20:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:20:48 -0400 From: Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] vsti In-reply-to: <001701c53875$663ab620$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE75AC40.8973%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on 4/3/05 1:48 PM, David @ Audiobulb at xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx wrote: > synth strings/pads or more acoustic strings? Acoustic. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 17:48:51 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35113-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81923 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 81910 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:48:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:48:51 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] vsti To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001701c53875$663ab620$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE75A48B.8970%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx synth strings/pads or more acoustic strings? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al C" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [microsound] vsti > Hi gang, > > Can anyone recommend a good vsti (compatible with Mac osx) that does > strings > nicely? Also, It would be a plus if wasn't very expensive. Freeware would > be > even better:-) > > best, > omnid > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 17:47:25 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35112-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80787 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:47:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 80777 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:47:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:47:55 -0400 From: Al C <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] vsti To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE75A48B.8970%xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi gang, Can anyone recommend a good vsti (compatible with Mac osx) that does strings nicely? Also, It would be a plus if wasn't very expensive. Freeware would be even better:-) best, omnid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 14:46:52 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35111-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31055 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:46:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 31043 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:46:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:46:47 +0200 From: Arie van Schutterhoef <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] ...how things develop(?)... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <l03130300be75b1acf907@[213.84.105.55]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A brief history of electronic music instrument development: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18524921.400 Or: ...how things develop(?)... 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Sun Apr 3 11:51:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35110-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93984 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:51:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 93974 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:51:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:01:11 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned In-reply-to: <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi David, Sorry if I sounded snide, it wasn't directed at you, but actually all this slashdotty wiseass banter is the reason I want an announcement list. I like discussion when it's intelligent, but when it just turns into another immature webforum around here, I'd like to be able to check out for a while and just get news. Or, when I am busy with a project, tour, whatever, and just want to keep up to date instead of pulled into an extended conversation. As discussed before, the signal-to-noise ratio on this list gets very bad from time to time, and a string one 20 one-liner posts isn't really what I need in my inbox most of the time. But yes, of course, announcements spark discussion. Most mature mailing lists I have been on know when something is on-topic or not, and I would expect that announcement-provoked discussions would be taken to the discussion list. best, derek David @ Audiobulb wrote: > I was simply pointing out that the promotion of an event or new music > can provoke discussion regarding the technique, aesthetic or theory > there involved.... > > I am wondering if the split is really useful. > > I think the split is less about the difference in content of the two > lists and more about the perceived need of its recipients. I am thinking > that maybe some of the people here are quite self-contained.... working > within their own sphere and not feeling the need to look outside of > that.... others want to here about what is going on in the world of > microsound. > > So how many people on the discussion list are NOT going to sign up for > the promotion list?... if that is a significanbt proportion ... then > maybe the split makes sense. But for me - I will always be interested in > both sides.... i like to hear what stasisfield are doing.... i like to > hear about techniques and historical perspectives on theory. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek holzer" <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned > > >> would all of you jokers please go back to slashdot or whatever blog >> you crawled out of and leave the rest of us alone. >> >> d. >> >> rafael flores wrote: >> >>> it is necessary to create a list to discuss whichever lists is >>> necessary to create . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >>>> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned >>>> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:01:50 -0500 >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? >>>> > >>>> > or promote a discussion? >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> i say we create two more lists for said topics. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 168: "Use fewer notes" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 11:42:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35109-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91580 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:42:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 91568 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:42:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:52:11 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi David, David Powers wrote: > What I'm wondering is, conceptually, what kinds of patches have people designed using PD? Frank Barknecht's RRADical patches, Roads' "Microsound" book and my Particle Chamber patch are all good places to start looking, as Frank and Charles both noted. I usually start my workshops by showing the big white blank of the PD interface, and then explaining that alhough you can run part of a webserver, do a VJ set or make your own version of Reason with the exact same software, the best part is that the interface doesn't tell you to do any of that. You really have to bring your own ideas, and your knowledge about how to execute those ideas, to PD or else it won't do anything for you at all. For any kind of performance patch, there's a few areas to concentrate on, and these are the things I think about for all my work in PD: 1) Live signal processing: take sound from the soundcard or another sound app in realtime and do something to it. Something like building your own VST plugins. Many effects are possible from the creative application of time delay: echoes, reverb, phasing, comb-filtering, pitch-shifting, granulation, etc etc. The rest are mostly done with filter algorithms (themselves sometimes based on delays). Understanding not only how those effects work in the analog world, but also how the computer actually handles sound (as samples) is essential to building any kind of Digital Sound Processing effects. Look at Roads' "Computer Music Tutorial" or Charles Dodge's "Computer Music" for basic computer audio know-how. The Roads book is for math nerds, the Dodge book is not ;-) 2) Static soundfile processing: take a soundfile from the harddrive and do something to it, a sampler or loop-player being the most primitive example. My Particle Chamber patch takes a soundfile and granulates it, with an XY table to determine what part of the soundfile is being chopped up and how fast or slow the files gest "scanned" through. (Incidentally, this is the exact same method Live uses to time-synch all the loops you put in it, but the granulation is hidden from the user). Much of what you can do with static soundfiles can also be done with realtime delay lines. Essentially, all you are doing is locating various points within a table, and telling PD to start and stop playback at those various points. 3) Events over time: this is another way of talking about such things as sequencers and envelope generators--they are simply a description of an event over a duration (i.e. play a note, start a loop, turn the volume up and down, change the pitch, lengthen the delay...). There's an interesting thread about sequencers on the PD list right now, with people discussing everything from the traditional piano roll and bar staff to using data structures. Generative or algorithmic event creation also falls into this area, i.e. things like neural networks and so on. My patches generally combine all three of these things, and I find that the most challenging part is the last one. Making and using one effect in PD does not constitute a "performance" (a filter sweep does not a techno track make). Finding creative ways of controlling that one effect brings you a lot closer to making art with it. good luck! derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 189: "You are an engineer" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 11:36:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35108-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89511 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:35:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 89501 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:35:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:35:59 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001c01c53841$4f854190$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was simply pointing out that the promotion of an event or new music can provoke discussion regarding the technique, aesthetic or theory there involved.... I am wondering if the split is really useful. I think the split is less about the difference in content of the two lists and more about the perceived need of its recipients. I am thinking that maybe some of the people here are quite self-contained.... working within their own sphere and not feeling the need to look outside of that.... others want to here about what is going on in the world of microsound. So how many people on the discussion list are NOT going to sign up for the promotion list?... if that is a significanbt proportion ... then maybe the split makes sense. But for me - I will always be interested in both sides.... i like to hear what stasisfield are doing.... i like to hear about techniques and historical perspectives on theory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek holzer" <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned > would all of you jokers please go back to slashdot or whatever blog you > crawled out of and leave the rest of us alone. > > d. > > rafael flores wrote: >> it is necessary to create a list to discuss whichever lists is necessary >> to create . >> >> >> >> >>> From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >>> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned >>> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:01:50 -0500 >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? >>> > >>> > or promote a discussion? >>> >>> :) >>> >>> i say we create two more lists for said topics. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 84: > "How would you have done it?" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 10:49:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35107-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 06:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 06:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82667 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:49:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 82657 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:49:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:59:07 +0200 From: derek holzer <xxxxx@x-x.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@x-x.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx would all of you jokers please go back to slashdot or whatever blog you crawled out of and leave the rest of us alone. d. rafael flores wrote: > it is necessary to create a list to discuss whichever lists is necessary > to create . > > > > >> From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned >> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:01:50 -0500 >> >> > >> > >> > what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? >> > >> > or promote a discussion? >> >> :) >> >> i say we create two more lists for said topics. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 84: "How would you have done it?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Apr 3 10:40:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35106-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 06:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 06:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80604 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:40:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 80594 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:40:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:40:47 +0000 From: rafael flores <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-Originating-IP: [213.96.188.155] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2005 10:40:48.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[98FAED00:01C53839] it is necessary to create a list to discuss whichever lists is necessary to create . >From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned >Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:01:50 -0500 > > > > > > > what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? > > > > or promote a discussion? > >:) > >i say we create two more lists for said topics. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 20:46:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35105-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79071 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:46:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 79061 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:46:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:50:15 -0500 From: ianepps <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] :+:announcement:+: mp3 released on;(do) and t-shirt design X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.203] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ujP6GagZ6BgTTbE+ClfVCA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2005 20:46:49.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[17BD15C0:01C537C5] --Boundary_(ID_ujP6GagZ6BgTTbE+ClfVCA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ::announcement:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: mp3 release - Ian Epps - ..+.+ spokenslightlysoft - on;(do) I have new release from on;(do) here! I'm proud to announce New York Artist; Ian Epps / ..+.+ spokenslightlysoft He is one of favorite artists in world. Enjoy! Thank you. ....................... koutaro fukui ................................................. Ian Epps is a Sonic/Visual Artist, customizing his life and belongings, in Brooklyn, NY. Ian Epps is interested in treating sound as units, much like building blocks. These blocks become pieces of information that synthesize space. Each block has a voice and sings, but together sounds out the warmth and infinitely complex nature of a composed environment. "Ian Epps has pointed the way down numerous witty and provocative pathways using thickly layered organizations of sound."(THE WIRE) He has played performances alongside and in collaboration with Rafael Toral, Ogurusu Norihide, Takeshi Mitsuhashi, Jason Forrest aka Donna Summer, Mountains, Richard Devine, Dave Gross and Liz Tonne, Richard Zvonar, Dan Walsh, Joe McPhee, Andrew Deutsch, and Pauline Oliveros. 1977 Born in Lakenheath, UK 1999 Alfred University, BFA since 2002 resident in Brooklyn, NY, USA selected discography 2004 mp3 "standingpresence", audio pieces created for Addenda, Seasonalbk.net, USA 2003 CD "Ian Epps finds... the4yearoldchild - courtside: volume I, SoftL music, Germany 2001 CD "Audiophone" (86 micro tracks) Dead CEO, USA 2001 Project "tennis|match" (collaborative audio network game) 2003 CD "Pinwheels" (Rmxs), Institute for Electronic Arts, USA ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + ltd. ed. t-shirt seasonal presents 2 new t shirts * designs by ian epps and gill arno / mpld shirts printed in brooklyn at ruben noise by the artists and b owen. 3 shirt color's to choose from, 2 sizes, L/XL on request. for the full info and pictures http://www.seasonalbk.net/shirts/ seasonal shop you can find the shirts listed, along with a wonderful cd by the beige channel. http://www.seasonalbk.net/shop/ thanks ! to everyone that came out to the last seasonal performance on march 05. lets hope for better luck next time. b owen ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: thanks and best, ian i a n e p p s i a n @ i a n e p p s. com i a n e p p s . c o m --Boundary_(ID_ujP6GagZ6BgTTbE+ClfVCA)-- From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 20:16:44 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35104-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 68823 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:16:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 68813 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:16:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:16:30 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Request for Submissions: Interface Archive To: lloopp <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx, p1k53l workshop <xxxxxx@xxx.xx>, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx-xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xx-xxxx@xxx.xx, xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-1A701FFEA3B411D98403000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi all- (Forgive the cross-postings; forward if you'd like...) I'm throwing out a request to address something I find missing on the Internet, which is the answer to "what do we stare at all day (and night) long?" Working in media, it seems we spent a good deal of our time building ways to expressively control machines, or working with open-ended software environments, or abusing the control metaphors of shrink-wrap applications. But there isn't any place to go to get a sense of the range of current interface building activity for media. Much of what can be found is dispersed, and categorically coalesces around "finshed products" or simple tutorial examples. I'm asking that you send me documentation of your user-interfaces so that I can build a publicly accessible archive to address this lack. Submissions will be accepted and published without aesthetic judgement. In fact, I'm hoping that the "one-off" interfaces so easy to produce now, the abandoned works, or the messes that you don't have the energy to clean up will find their way to me. These are the kinds of artifacts that will be hopelessly lost to future generations. :( Your images can depict working, non-working or imaginary ways to expressively control time-based and interactive media. You must be the author of your submission. It must be your expression. You must have created it somehow. I'm aware that data-bending is often the mis-use of non-authored work, but perhaps the benders will have some ideas about how to get their activities across. Coders and command-line types will have these issues as well. Please send me your screen-shots, digital photos of hardware, scans of pencil sketches, or whatever, along with your name, email address and (hopefully) a brief description of what your submission(s) is/are about. I will publish everything I receive. I will likely, although I don't have any pre-conceptions, establish some (potentially changing) means of categorizing the submissions in order to faciltitate access to what I hope will be a large body of work. In sending in your submission, you retain all copyrights to your work. You are giving me non-exclusive permission to display your submission on my web-site <www.propheticdesire.com> for non-commercial, archival purposes. Your email address will be displayed in some manner not easily harvested. Submissions will be dated by the date they are received. Please send your submissions to: <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> As I will be traveling the first part of May, realistically it will be the end of May before submmissions begin to be published. As this will be an on-going effort, there are no deadlines or limits on the number of submissions. Thanks for your attention, and hopefully we can create a unique view of creative computer-based media authorship. Best, Charles Turner (Tad) (vze26m98) (vatic) <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 19:02:31 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35103-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47980 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:02:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 47968 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:02:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:01:50 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <000e01c537a7$4297adf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? > > or promote a discussion? :) i say we create two more lists for said topics. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 19:00:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35102-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45680 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:00:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 45670 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:00:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 13:59:39 -0500 From: graham miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound](OT)Big Macs :) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-SYMPA (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx have you checkedout the radioboy stuff that matthew herbert does? same deal. Kevin Ponto wrote: > God bless this great country of ours. > > Seriously though, perhaps we should have a Bic Mac microsound project, > where members use recorded sounds of Bic Macs (being eaten, raw image > data, the sounds your gut makes attempting to digest one) to produce > the most "unlistenable" tracks possible (by mainstream ears). We could > gather together an album of the "worst" tracks and send it to the > McDonalds boys under the guise of a serious contribution to their > campaign. They wouldn't even need to hire a Brand Strategist to entice > us, we'll gladly provide them these heartfelt tracks expressing our > love of the Big Mac for free! > > k:p > > > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 17:13:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35101-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21697 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:13:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 21687 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:13:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:13:13 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] closed captioned To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000e01c537a7$4297adf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > microsound-announce=promotional > microsound=discussion > easy! no? what happens if you want to discuss a promotion? or promote a discussion? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: [microsound] closed captioned >> question it is unclear if you only want to share mp3s of your music >> if that is still ok on the main microsound???????????? > what about 'discussion list' is hard to understand? > if you want to announce new pieces without discussion then post it to > the announce list - if you want to discuss certain aspects of a piece > and want to use it as a 'listening example' then post it here... > > microsound-announce=promotional > microsound=discussion > easy! no? > > >> and as i have posted before i really don't like this idea >> of separating things like this but oh well.] > here try this: > - in your email client make a new folder in your inbox and title it - > oh, something like 'microsound' > - open your 'rules' panel in said email client and make a new rule > called 'microsound-list' that routes all email with the sender address > <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> > to the folder in your inbox titled 'microsound' > - add another separate rule to the 'microsound-list' rule that takes > microsound regular emails with the header > <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> (if you get the list in digest > form) > ands also routes it to the folder in your inbox called 'microsound' > > now both lists are deposited into the same folder called 'microsound' > in your inbox and you can pretend they are all the same list! ;) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 17:06:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35100-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17844 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:06:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 17833 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:06:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:06:21 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] closed captioned To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > question it is unclear if you only want to share mp3s of your music > if that is still ok on the main microsound???????????? what about 'discussion list' is hard to understand? if you want to announce new pieces without discussion then post it to the announce list - if you want to discuss certain aspects of a piece and want to use it as a 'listening example' then post it here... microsound-announce=promotional microsound=discussion easy! no? > and as i have posted before i really don't like this idea > of separating things like this but oh well.] here try this: - in your email client make a new folder in your inbox and title it - oh, something like 'microsound' - open your 'rules' panel in said email client and make a new rule called 'microsound-list' that routes all email with the sender address <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> to the folder in your inbox titled 'microsound' - add another separate rule to the 'microsound-list' rule that takes microsound regular emails with the header <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> (if you get the list in digest form) ands also routes it to the folder in your inbox called 'microsound' now both lists are deposited into the same folder called 'microsound' in your inbox and you can pretend they are all the same list! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 14:17:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35099-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81940 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:17:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 81930 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:17:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 16:17:44 +0200 From: festival garage <xxxx@xxxxxx-x.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Dead Media In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200700be7459010817@[192.168.100.125]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <R02010100-1038-0E0CBE5594B311D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.115.123]> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx check out bruce sterling's dead media project: http://www.deadmedia.org/ and debalies conference on media archaeology: http://www.debalie.nl/dossierpagina.jsp?dossierid=10123 greetings, c. -- garage - festival for art, music and film || || || ||| forget it! ||| | || |||| don't trust your archives... 22. july to 13. august 2005 stralsund http://www.garage-g.de xxxx@xxxxxx-x.xx +49 (0)30 4412015 +49 (0)3831 298429 >dear all, > >i'm not quite sure if there has been a discussion on dead media on >this list but i would be very greatful to get some links, as i need >some basic information on listings, manifestos, articles on dead >media (hmmm, i'm still able to play grammophone records, audio tape >& cassettes, and even a ferromagnetic dictaphone with a record-sized >disc with a groove on both sides (able to record and play back) from >the 1960s - so "dead" relates clearly to actual industry standards). > >i remember having seen a few quite informative websites in my >browser a while ago, but can't find any bookmarks, and google didn't >point to the sites i've seen. can anyone help, please? > >yours sincerely, >the expert > >http://www.expiremental.com >ready to expire mental > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 14:09:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35098-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80057 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:09:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 80047 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:09:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 16:09:07 +0200 From: The Expert <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Dead Media In-reply-to: <R02010100-1038-0E0CBE5594B311D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.115.123]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <R02010100-1038-0E0CBE5594B311D9889E000D933B19D8@[217.224.115.123]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dear all, i'm not quite sure if there has been a discussion on dead media on this list but i would be very greatful to get some links, as i need some basic information on listings, manifestos, articles on dead media (hmmm, i'm still able to play grammophone records, audio tape & cassettes, and even a ferromagnetic dictaphone with a record-sized disc with a groove on both sides (able to record and play back) from the 1960s – so "dead" relates clearly to actual industry standards). i remember having seen a few quite informative websites in my browser a while ago, but can't find any bookmarks, and google didn't point to the sites i've seen. can anyone help, please? yours sincerely, the expert http://www.expiremental.com ready to expire mental --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 10:49:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35097-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42591 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:49:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 42580 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:49:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 04:49:59 -0600 From: john kannenberg <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** -- reminder -- In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 209.86.96.5 X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@mail.stasisfield.com To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06002001be7427d34c08@[209.86.104.6]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-ELNK-Trace: 8044adbcdf4a5156069ad2b59907cf439ef193a6bfc3dd48f5306a17e2f42688275828521a5a5c19dfe6209a9096b523350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >########################################### >- here is how the process of switching over is going to work: >- all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list >will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and >switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related >announcements >- after Friday April 8 members still posting announcements to the >regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked >to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list I think before you start imposing cutoff dates, it would be nice to make sure that this new list actually *functions*. There have been numerous reports so far that messages have bounced back; I've tried signing up for it and have yet to receive the confirmation signup email or any list messages for that matter. Considering the fact that a large number of people on this list actually do find announcements useful, it would be nice to know that the announcers will not be banished to a non-functional list in less than a week. Thanks. -- >> john kannenberg [ http://www.johnkannenberg.com ] [ http://www.stasisfield.com ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 10:48:30 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35096-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41454 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:48:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 41444 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:48:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:48:21 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Root of Sine :: any comments on the work? In-reply-to: <002201c5376b$e212abf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <000901c5375b$25d058d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <002201c5376b$e212abf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, David @ Audiobulb hat gesagt: // David @ Audiobulb wrote: > www.audiobulb.com/ab-projects.htm Cool, thanks a lot!! Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 10:08:14 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35095-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33868 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:08:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 33857 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:08:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:07:46 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Root of Sine :: any comments on the work? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002201c5376b$e212abf0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <000901c5375b$25d058d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Frank - try www.audiobulb.com/ab-projects.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] Root of Sine :: any comments on the work? > Hallo, > David @ Audiobulb hat gesagt: // David @ Audiobulb wrote: > >> root of sine :: microsound edition >> >> is available at audiobulb records under the 'project' page :::: >> www.audiobulb.com > > Do you have a deep link to this? I'd like to comment, but probably > because I cannot use Flash I only get two blank frames without any > text on that website. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ > > _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 08:51:29 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35094-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20604 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:51:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 20594 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:51:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:51:23 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: > Unfortunately when I go to: > http://puredata.info/community/patches/ > > I get this error message: > Site error I reported this to the admins, it's a new error, sorry. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 08:43:46 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35093-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18601 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:43:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 18591 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:43:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:43:31 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound](OT)Big Macs :) In-reply-to: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jet16.hasweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - johnnowak.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Please post new messages as new messages, and not as replies to existing threads. It makes my mail client angry when it tries to auto-thread the discussions... Do not click reply, change the subject, and send it. - John On Apr 1, 2005, at 5:28 PM, precursor wrote: > http://www.commercialfreechildhood.org/news/articles/mcdonaldsrap.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 08:19:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35092-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13618 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:19:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 13608 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:19:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:19:04 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Root of Sine :: any comments on the work? In-reply-to: <000901c5375b$25d058d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <000901c5375b$25d058d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, David @ Audiobulb hat gesagt: // David @ Audiobulb wrote: > root of sine :: microsound edition > > is available at audiobulb records under the 'project' page :::: > www.audiobulb.com Do you have a deep link to this? I'd like to comment, but probably because I cannot use Flash I only get two blank frames without any text on that website. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 08:08:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35091-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9280 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:08:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 9250 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 08:08:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:08:24 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Root of Sine :: any comments on the work? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000901c5375b$25d058d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx root of sine :: microsound edition is available at audiobulb records under the 'project' page :::: www.audiobulb.com this edition (complete with artwork) comprises of tracks developed from a single second of 440 hz sinewave tone. the artists include regular contributers to the microsound mailing list. tracknumber : artist : track name 00 btb - wrong sine 01 mdb - wood 02 future remix - nothing is pure (clean) 03 staplerfahrer - the very same thing 04 miulew - three users 05 gintas l - snn 06 rafael flores - cansine 07 atonal01 - 440 armonicos 08 pino the frog - iowa altar 09 john hanes - sinesong 10 j dippold - sinewich 11 norma block - landing artwork by zevan rosser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Apr 2 05:02:54 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35090-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67648 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:02:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 67637 invoked from network); Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:02:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:02:44 -0800 From: Kevin Ponto <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound](OT)Big Macs :) In-reply-to: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Provags-ID: perfora.net xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx login:85f6f213efa75345adbd40246e580591 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx God bless this great country of ours. Seriously though, perhaps we should have a Bic Mac microsound project, where members use recorded sounds of Bic Macs (being eaten, raw image data, the sounds your gut makes attempting to digest one) to produce the most "unlistenable" tracks possible (by mainstream ears). We could gather together an album of the "worst" tracks and send it to the McDonalds boys under the guise of a serious contribution to their campaign. They wouldn't even need to hire a Brand Strategist to entice us, we'll gladly provide them these heartfelt tracks expressing our love of the Big Mac for free! k:p On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:28 PM, precursor wrote: > http://www.commercialfreechildhood.org/news/articles/mcdonaldsrap.htm > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 23:58:17 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35089-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75212 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:58:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 75202 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:58:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:57:14 -0800 From: roberth <xxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** -- reminder -- To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <06cf01c53716$a484c520$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx question it is unclear if you only want to share mp3s of your music if that is still ok on the main microsound???????????? and as i have posted before i really don't like this idea of separating things like this but oh well.] robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: "Thomas Andy" <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; "John Saylor" <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** -- reminder -- > John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time > setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is > called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: > http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce > ########################################### > - this is where the microsound community should post announcements > promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or > whatever... > ########################################### > - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: > - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list > will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and > switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related > announcements > - after Friday April 8 members still posting announcements to the > regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked > to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list > - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post > announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be > terminated > - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems > unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: > Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list > or > John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list > and let them know about the problem you are having... > thanks! > KIM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 22:29:02 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35088-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38345 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:29:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 38335 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:29:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:28:56 -0500 From: precursor <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound](OT)Big Macs :) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <BE733558.4F34%xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.commercialfreechildhood.org/news/articles/mcdonaldsrap.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Then click on. ___________________ The lecture is free and presented by Lacanian Ink at Deitch Projects 18 Wooster St. NYC deitch.com lacan.com Info on Badiou http://www.egs.edu/faculty/badiou.html http://www.lacan.com/frameXXIII7.htm ********* -A August Sound Coalition http://radio.socialtechnology.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 20:15:45 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35086-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77874 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:15:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 77854 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:15:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:18:10 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Unfortunately when I go to: http://puredata.info/community/patches/ I get this error message: Site error This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were: Error Type RuntimeError Error Value maximum recursion depth exceeded Request made at 2005/04/01 22:11:23.339 GMT+2 ~David >>> xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx 04/01/05 01:41PM >>> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > really a lot of Pd patches are on puredata.org/info. Sorry this might be misread as a single URL with path. I meant to write "puredata.org or puredata.info", which is the same site. 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Fri Apr 1 20:03:15 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35085-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71046 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:03:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 70937 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:03:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:03:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Davignon <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 31 Mar 2005 22:35:39 -0000 Issue 1382 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx While working on the Locations Vol 1 & 2 compilations, I had lots of opportunities to try to differentiate between the different levels of participating in one's field recordings, since many of the contributors were making field recordings for the first time. The term I was using was at the time was "non-performative sounds" - which attempted to rule out several techniques commonly included in the term "field recording", like recording musicians/bands, or affecting the environment you're recording (such as throwing a rock in a lake or scaring the pigeons). Funny Aaron should mention the effect on the outside environment on the music at the Luggage Store. As a music curator there, I notice that the street noises become a part of one of the performances at least 3/4 of the time there. Sometimes it's a firetruck that gets sampled into someone's open mic laptop setup. At other times instrumentalists will start imitating or playing along with the streetcar rail & bell sounds. Matt Davignon > For me some of my best moments have happened > presenting work at the > Luggage Store here in SF, which is perched above a > noisy section of > "sketchy" Market Street -- the whistles, > above-ground rail, subway, crazy > people, pimps, sirens, etc. inevitably integrate > into whatever I'm doing > and several times I've been able to blend the > boundaries enough to provoke > people to talk with me about afterwards. > > If someone momentarily forgets what they're > "supposed" to be listening to > and hears everything in their environment naively... > I consider my work > done. :) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 20:00:12 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35083-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67583 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:00:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 67565 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:00:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:58:28 -0500 From: Nick S <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.202] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2005 20:00:07.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[674527C0:01C536F5] basically wanna make drum and bass and techno with it...but i also dabble in classical composition....on the drum and bass front it'll do everything beats and bass..on the techno front...me and my buddy play live...we wanna sample some of the more finicky equipment that doesnt like to travel into this...so we can leave them behind in the studio...we also wanna put some vocal bits in there too ill be using cubase to sequence...recycle and soundforge to chop and transmit samples...i have an adaptec scsi card in my workstation already...so im not too worried about usb connectivity...i have a yamaha su200 already(it sucks for anything other than dirty drums)...but i did look at the a400 as an option(as well as the roland s760 and akai s5k) id like to thank the microsound ppl who responded to me on the list and in private...your insite was very helpful...i did buy the sampler...it came with 3 scsi cd roms, 2 scsi zip drives, 5 emu sample discs, and connecting cables for 300usd...i figure if i dont like it, i can always trade it for an akai, roland, or yamaha...or trade and throw in some cheddar for one of those kurzweil samplers. hope i didnt go on any kind of OT rant best regards nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "guiver ben" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 > alright nick, > > i have e64. old but ok. operating system 3 but try and > get newer one like 4. depends on what you want to do. > i run e64 into mac g3, recycle a bit unreliable but > peak fine to import/export samples. > > depends what you want to do. e6400 prob has better > memory, larger hard drive etc etc. > > you might wnat to think about a newer sampler thats > easier to use with pc/mac: some yamaha's have usb > connection i think, so therefore easier to access hard > drive. > > i'd be interested to see what other people say tho', > as in some ways i've only scratched the surface of > mine. > > best > > ben > --- Nick S <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > hi all...new to the list...anyways, quick question > > for the emu heads here....what are the main > > differences between the e64 and e6400 samplers? > > > > ive been looking to get an emu for awhile, and now, > > it seems the price is finally right for me. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. > http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 20:03:11 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35084-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70181 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:03:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 70170 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:03:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:52:50 -0500 (EST) From: Tyler Adams <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FRPS - Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave In-reply-to: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx bunkum! here's what ask yahoo says about duck quacks: http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20021002.html We hate to break it to you, but all our sources say a duck's quack echoes just like any other sound. There doesn't seem to be anything special about the noise, except that it has mysteriously produced this persistent bit of folklore. That intrepid tester of suspicious stuff, Cecil Adams of the Straight Dope, assigned it to one of his researchers. She disproved the myth herself in 1998 with a few friends, a duck, and a large courtyard conducive to echoes. Sure enough, the quack echoed (once they figured out how to make the duck quack, that is). Likewise, the good folks at the premiere urban legend resource, Snopes.com, have personally experienced the quacky echo of talkative ducks. The MadSci Network suggests an explanation for this common misconception. An echo is caused by sound waves reflecting off a hard surface. Higher frequency sounds reflect better and create stronger echoes. Perhaps some ducks have quacks without a lot of high frequency components, resulting in very faint echoes. Physlink.com explains how an extremely clever duck might avoid creating an echo at all. If the distance between the duck and a reflective surface falls exactly at one of the nodes of the quack's sound wave, sound will not be reflected back, thus no echo. The duck could also use partially reflective material and some sound wave measurements to prevent a quack from echoing, much in the same way the military hides aircraft from radar. However, we suspect Daffy and his pals aren't quite that sophisticated or conniving. > > A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why > > http://flagonthemoon.blogspot.com/2005/03/fun-facts-about-animals.html > > is this true? > anybody can explain this a little better? > > davide > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 19:42:05 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35082-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58318 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:42:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 58308 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:42:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:41:56 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > really a lot of Pd patches are on puredata.org/info. Sorry this might be misread as a single URL with path. I meant to write "puredata.org or puredata.info", which is the same site. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 19:32:47 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35081-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53549 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:32:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 53539 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:32:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:32:38 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-CF43DA1FA2E411D9BA3A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Frank Barknecht wrote on 4/1/05: >A good trick is to replace every [line~] >object with a [*~ 1] object which immediately leads to Microsound. ;) Hahaha!! Frank, it's really a pleasure having your presence here on the list! Best, Charles <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 19:22:28 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35080-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48484 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:22:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 48474 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:22:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:18:43 +0200 From: Kassen <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FRPS - Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c536ef$fad565a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> <a06100501be7314353947@[192.168.0.15]> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Hopkins; > It's certainly not an evolution-directed development, as ducks aren't > normally in spaces where echo/non-echo sounding is necessary, I would > like to see a scope of the wave-form... You can get echos off the edge of forests, though obviously arteficial forests will work much better. More importantly; you can also echo off the floor or a surface of watter, which might be quite relevant if you fly a lot while needing to communicate. In fact our own hearing uses this as a spatial clue. For sound sources far away the time difference difference between the "floor echo" and the original is minimal while for some sound source above and closely behind you it´s quite large. It´s evolutionary quite important to be able to sort those. I imagine that if amongst ducks the spatial location of a "quack source" is very important compared to the abilities of the brain structure responsible for the sorting of echos and direct sound this could be evolutionary directed. To be honest; I would be quite surpised if some element of the duck *wasn´t* evolutionary directed...... > > I did a quick google on the phrase "Fractally Reverse-Palindromic > Soundwave" and also quite a few variations, with no relevant returns > -- I am thinking this is a joke anyway. A palindrome is a linguistic > term, and fractal geometries are not described in terms of that low > level of Cartesian symmetry... Perhaps it´s more a case of badly chosen language? Anyway, this might be a nice thing to abuse musically.... Yours, Kas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 18:48:34 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35079-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31626 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:48:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 31616 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:48:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:48:26 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1038-A279FD9AA2DE11D9BA3A000D932C0D78@[67.84.254.108]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote on 4/1/05: >I know it's possible but I'm not entirely sure how to get from where I >am to an interface that is more than a toy. Working in "microsound," if there is such a thing, is frequently a bottom-up process. Please see Chairman Roads' bible, p. 331 for more information. And consider also that there are many practioners of "microsound" out there performing with what you refer to as "toys." So relax, you already there! No need to know any more. Best, Tad <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 18:46:04 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35078-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29887 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:46:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 29831 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:46:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:45:51 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: > I am a PD newbie, and very interested in making tools with which to > create microsound. Though I am subscribed to the PD list, I must admit > I have little idea what most of the posts even mean at this point! Be patient, it will come with time. You should play with the example patches and change them. A good trick is to replace every [line~] object with a [*~ 1] object which immediately leads to Microsound. ;) > I have managed to create some basic patches that do a few things, and > of course I'm slowly working through tutorials. What I'm wondering is, > conceptually, what kinds of patches have people designed using PD? I'd > like to hear plain English descriptions of the kinds of patches people > are building - specifically to create "microsound" type work, because I > still haven't wrapped my mind around how all these little components > will add up to an exciting performance environment. Well, that's exactly the hard thing in learning Pd or any other modular environment. You can read docs on Max, there probably are more than for Pd and most of the stuff can be done in Pd as well. But explaining "What do people create with Pd?" is a bit like asking "What do people create using paint?" After you get a grip of the basics and of a bit advanced Pd techniques (how to do that, is off-topic on this list) the real artistic problem is: What do you want to achive? How can you be creative with Pd? And is Pd the right tool for you? (It is for me, but just because Pd is cool doesn't mean, it's for everyone.) If you are interested in Microsound, you probably know the "Microsound" book (if not, get it). Books like this (or Dodge/Jerse "Computer Music") are the real tutorials for a software like Pd. They can give you ideas and create the urge: "I want to see how this Pulsar synthesis thing could be done in Pd." or "I want to check out FM synthesis." or "I want to play samples by dancing." How to organize your patches and how to avoid spaghetti is something which will evolve naturally over time. I now organize my patches rather formally in regard to inter-abstraction communication and shared state saving in a project I called RRADical, which is as well a collection or library of patches as it is a guideline on how to make patches Rapidly Reusable. However I only arrived at my current solution after 4-5 years of using Pd, thinking about patch organization, reading geeky software design books etc. Additionally I seem to have left the realm of "plain English description" in this paragraph singlehandedly, so I'd rather stop. ;) Some Pd patches are on em411.com, but not too microsoundish, and really a lot of Pd patches are on puredata.org/info. For microsoundish sound Derek Holzer's Particle Chamber is wonderful: http://www.puredata.org/Members/derek/Particlechamber.zip/view My version of PONG for Pd is here: http://footils.org/cms/show/27 And you might want to ask your same question over on pd-list. Questions like this are not considered off-topic. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 17:54:03 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35077-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4429 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:53:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 4419 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:53:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:56:30 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Using PD for microsound (newbie) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxx-xxxx-x.xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello everyone, I am a PD newbie, and very interested in making tools with which to create microsound. Though I am subscribed to the PD list, I must admit I have little idea what most of the posts even mean at this point! I have managed to create some basic patches that do a few things, and of course I'm slowly working through tutorials. What I'm wondering is, conceptually, what kinds of patches have people designed using PD? I'd like to hear plain English descriptions of the kinds of patches people are building - specifically to create "microsound" type work, because I still haven't wrapped my mind around how all these little components will add up to an exciting performance environment. I know it's possible but I'm not entirely sure how to get from where I am to an interface that is more than a toy. Cheers, David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 16:41:16 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35076-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78331 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:41:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 78313 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:41:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:41:08 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***IMPORTANT - microsound-announce*** -- reminder -- To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: Thomas Andy <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Saylor has generously donated both his server space and time setting up a new list for members who want to promote content...it is called the microsound-announce list and can be found here: http://microsound.nexthop.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce ########################################### - this is where the microsound community should post announcements promoting their music, label, radio show, upcoming concert, or whatever... ########################################### - here is how the process of switching over is going to work: - all people who normally post announcements to the microsound list will have two weeks (Friday April 8) to update their address books and switch to the announce list for posting future microsound related announcements - after Friday April 8 members still posting announcements to the regular microsound list will be contacted by email and politely asked to redirect their posts to the microsound-announce list - if after a couple of polite requests the poster continues to post announcements to the regular list their microsound account will be terminated - the process should be pretty simple but if there are problems unsub'ing or sub'ing please contact: Andy Thomas <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> - for the microsound list or John Saylor <xxxxx@xxx.xxx> - for the microsound-announce list and let them know about the problem you are having... thanks! KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 15:46:08 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35074-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49428 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:46:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 49418 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:46:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:45:42 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FRPS - Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave In-reply-to: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <405-SnapperMsgF4585520BE731D38@[68.26.57.76]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my guess is that when the complex sound impulse of a duck's quack bounces off a surface and returns to the perceiver, it is phased in a mirror image (not reversed), and therefore cancels itself out. you would only hear the initial sound of the quack. it's the same principal behind noise cancelling headphones. ....... Original Message ....... On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:15:32 +0200 "Davide Morelli" <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why > >http://flagonthemoon.blogspot.com/2005/03/fun-facts-about-animals.html > >is this true? >anybody can explain this a little better? > >davide ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 15:46:27 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35075-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51676 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:46:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 51666 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:46:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:32:13 -0800 From: Craque <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] micro directional speakers In-reply-to: <003b01c536a0$8c5a1bb0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <412-SnapperMsgF4585520BE731D4D@[68.26.57.76]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.4.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <003b01c536a0$8c5a1bb0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx we speak of new ways of performing, this strikes me is a new way of engaging an audience. it activates their participation in the very form of the work while removing the need - and any fear - of having to actively participate! i love this kind of sociology in a performance or sound work. it reminds me of david tudor's Rainforest project, and the workshop approach of many improvisors. a very useful and exciting technology. i imagine it still has a heavy price tag on it. ___ http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 15:12:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35073-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27803 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:12:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 27780 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:12:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:12:30 -0700 From: John Hopkins <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] FRPS - Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave In-reply-to: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> X-Sender: john.hopkins%xxxxxxxx.xx@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a06100501be7314353947@[192.168.0.15]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why > >http://flagonthemoon.blogspot.com/2005/03/fun-facts-about-animals.html > >is this true? >anybody can explain this a little better? > It's certainly not an evolution-directed development, as ducks aren't normally in spaces where echo/non-echo sounding is necessary, I would like to see a scope of the wave-form... I did a quick google on the phrase "Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave" and also quite a few variations, with no relevant returns -- I am thinking this is a joke anyway. A palindrome is a linguistic term, and fractal geometries are not described in terms of that low level of Cartesian symmetry... jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 14:15:53 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35072-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2273 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:15:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 2181 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:15:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:15:32 +0200 From: Davide Morelli <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] FRPS - Fractally Reverse-Palindromic Soundwave To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <KKEHKBKMENKGANGNKPPIGEFDDDAA.xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A duck's quack doesn't echo, and no one knows why http://flagonthemoon.blogspot.com/2005/03/fun-facts-about-animals.html is this true? anybody can explain this a little better? davide --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 12:15:55 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35071-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64253 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:15:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 64241 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:15:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 06:16:41 -0600 From: john kannenberg <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] NEW: Ernesto Diaz-Infante / ARCHIVE: Ian Simpson X-Originating-IP: 209.86.96.63 Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Sender: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx@mail.stasisfield.com To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06002000be72ebb1424b@[209.86.96.236]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys Info At http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aQMF7Gyta8ItjhrcygX4+GZnNGjqjx83c7koWrbH38X9dwg/Jftq0YJnToX6Z1xO; h=Sender:Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: 8044adbcdf4a5156069ad2b59907cf439ef193a6bfc3dd48b373aa6370e362b895a9b0bde0f641f093caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ++ I tried signing up for the new announcement list two days ago and have yet to receive any confirmation or list emails... ----------------------------------------------- Stasisfield continues the 2005 release season with another new recording and another old favorite. + PLEASE NOTE: The deadline has been extended for submissions to THE RESONANT IMAGE. See below for details. ----------------------------------------------- + NEW RELEASE ----------------------------------------------- SF-4003 : Mirrors on the Crisis of the Moment : Ernesto Diaz-Infante ----------------------------------------------- California composer and Pax Recordings co-curator Ernesto Diaz-Infante crafts a set of politically-charged recordings. Co-composed with Marjorie Sturm, Mirrors on the Crisis of the Moment examines political, social and economic concerns of the day through the use of Tarot readings. Ernesto performs solo acoustic steelstring guitar improvisations that synthesize current events and the Tarot's advice, creating a set of dense yet minimal acoustic recordings. Accompanying the music and its liner notes is a set of eleven digital image compositions created by Stasisfield founder john kannenberg whose image sources are the result of entering the titles of the tracks in Google, a Tarot for the information age. Available for download and streaming at: [ http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4003.html ] ----------------------------------------------- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----------------------------------------------- + ARCHIVE RELEASE ----------------------------------------------- [The third installment of a new feature at Stasisfield: every month we will present a release from a previous year that has been taken offline and archived onto our series of MP3 archive CDRs, making it available for one month only. Our third back-online archive release comes from the Stasisfield : Year 01 Archive CDR. ] ----------------------------------------------- SF-1012 : Seite : Ian Simpson ----------------------------------------------- UK experimental artist Ian Simpson (a member of Psychiatric Challenge and aka LDT) crafted this series of layered electronic drones as part of the soundtrack to an installation commissioned for the 2001 Numero Festival in Lisbon. Somewhat inspired by early-'80s krautrock, the pieces offer three distinct variations on similar themes, exquisitely crafted and recorded. Originally released 02.11.2002 Available for download at: [ http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/archive/ ] ----------------------------------------------- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----------------------------------------------- + CALL FOR ENTRIES - DEADLINE EXTENDED ----------------------------------------------- Stage 01 of a new online exhibition, The resonant Image, is currently accepting submissions. Details: [ http://www.stasisfield.com/space/future ] DEADLINE EXTENDED THROUGH APRIL 8, 2005 ----------------------------------------------- As always, thanks for listening. ----------------------------------------------- >> john kannenberg [ http://www.johnkannenberg.com ] [ http://www.stasisfield.com ] -- >> john kannenberg [ http://www.johnkannenberg.com ] [ http://www.stasisfield.com ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 09:52:48 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35070-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31209 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:52:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 31199 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:52:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:52:42 +0200 From: eretsua <xxxxxxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] micro directional speakers To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003b01c536a0$8c5a1bb0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wright" <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: "microsound list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 03:36 Subject: [microsound] micro directional speakers > http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1448147,00.html > > Please, will someone make creative use of this before U2?!! > It's an interesting piece of technology. I know that Phillips have been experimenting with it in the past as well. I don't know if they still do but they used to see a big future for "directional sound". I believe that one of the problems (major) problems with this kind of equipment is the bass. They can synthesize the bass sound, but it's only in your head then. You can not actually feel it anymore. Personally I wouldn't mind that too much, especially when attending a concert of band where the bass usually up way too much for my taste. But other than that I think it will give interesting applications for "live sound". With such a directional setup for each member of the audience each member can configure the sound how they see fit. "Want to hear it louder?" turn it up with your remote control! You think the drums are overpowering the rest of the sound, well adjust their volume a bit. Not the forget the usefulness for the performer(s) in question. No more bad performance because they couldn't hear what the other musicians were doing. At any rate a very cool piece of technology with potential in terms of customization & creativity. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Apr 1 09:21:06 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35069-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23694 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:21:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 23684 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:21:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: guiver ben <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] emu e64 vs e6400 In-reply-to: <xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zmmJtR8acHQJpGqC1bXj3pbO97L3kmr2K9F/RffvU5iqivPhQJIWcGm3ON8VVtmh2TGPN1wibfsRGZftTAD/N4MmK8P7w1y9AQIN0/h3aBffrIYnBX4su8lSO7d+Qt/u+lkIculth1xVPL87FJ9Iw8pqSRyoCpQlb1TwzdovtKI= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx alright nick, i have e64. old but ok. operating system 3 but try and get newer one like 4. depends on what you want to do. i run e64 into mac g3, recycle a bit unreliable but peak fine to import/export samples. depends what you want to do. e6400 prob has better memory, larger hard drive etc etc. you might wnat to think about a newer sampler thats easier to use with pc/mac: some yamaha's have usb connection i think, so therefore easier to access hard drive. i'd be interested to see what other people say tho', as in some ways i've only scratched the surface of mine. best ben --- Nick S <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi all...new to the list...anyways, quick question > for the emu heads here....what are the main > differences between the e64 and e6400 samplers? > > ive been looking to get an emu for awhile, and now, > it seems the price is finally right for me. > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Fri Apr 1 07:40:00 2005 Return-path: <microsound-return-35068-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Nov 5 2004)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96558 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:39:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 96546 invoked from network); Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:39:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:39:54 -0600 From: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] micro directional speakers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: jake elliott <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RLdeOxkeyLGvDJeEJp1N9Y5U9Izxdq+g3bDB0ryiOAqyElW0JvMuO5SG6kch1LUc130MWpOMDSpA2uNyOV6euG07tSPFTNCpZ52NNPPoM8Q0lbG+peR93ycA7bI4SqhH4KFXs0nSJrrxvrt/mHUGU0adKVYbhRSrvm+gC4kk/Z0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i saw the piece described in that article at the chicago cultural center last year (maybe 2 years ago? - i can't recall). it was a pretty lovely piece, with recordings of people recounting dreams being beamed down into small areas. forcing the listener to stand in one place to hear the work really - for me anyway - made one listen more actively. i have to say, though, there was much more sound leakage than the article's "centimetre outside the target area." i'm sure the technology has been advanced since. if i can offer this question in relation to this project, and maybe let my ignorance show a bit - wasn't sound control/projection a really big thing with those electroacoustic cats forty years ago? like xenakis? did that thread just get dropped for awhile? the article mentions projects in the '80s, but i sure haven't heard much about it (though in the '80s, my main interests were nintendo and BASIC). best, jake On Mar 31, 2005 7:36 PM, Michael Wright <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1448147,00.html > > Please, will someone make creative use of this before U2?!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------- > > Achrid mp3's available at > > www.achrid.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org