From Scott Gibbons Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 22:07
From Scott Gibbons Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 22:07
I may be placing my neck on the guillotine by saying this, but I think e-Mu=E2= =80=99s digital filters aren=E2=80=99t bad. I=E2=80=99ve had synths with ana= logue filters that didn=E2=80=99t sound nearly as musical or characterful as= the digital filters in the Emax II or e4XT. And the matrix-like routing in E= OS 4 is insane fun! all my best, - Scott On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Brian Mulvey <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Brian Mulvey <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >>=20 >> Not with analog filters though. I can=E2=80=99t think of any keyboard sam= plers with them after the E III, until the Waldorf Quantum. Correct me if i=E2= =80=99m wrong! >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>=20 >>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Andrew Horton <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wr= ote: >>>>=20 >>>> You realize there was like 20 years of samplers after the mirage, right= ? You can find a million fully featured insane sample synthesizers on reverb= right now! >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Brent Busby <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've purchased an Ensoniq Mirage rack (not arrived yet), because I >>>>> wanted to experiment with my own sampled waveforms and analog filters.= >>>>> Partially my choice of the Mirage was because of the amount of money I= >>>>> have to spend right now, not because it was necessarily the best choic= e >>>>> for this. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I am rather disappointed by its voice architecture though. It offers >>>>> two oscillator (sample playback) per voice, but there is only enough >>>>> independant control over the pitch of the second oscillator to allow f= or >>>>> chorus/detune type effects. There is one LFO, which can only send >>>>> triangle waves, and can only modulate the pitch of both oscillators. >>>>> (Basically it's hard wired to be a modulation wheel effect.) >>>>> Thankfully, the filter does have its own EG separate from the output >>>>> EG. It's 8-bit with playback rates as low as 8kHz, which should be >>>>> charaterful, and the filters are CEM chips, but still, it's awfully >>>>> hobbled and I would have liked more...like perhaps an SQ80 voice engin= e >>>>> where you supply your own waves. >>>>>=20 >>>>> It seems though that with sampler/synths you have to choose: You can >>>>> have a nice voice architecture, but digital filters, or you can have >>>>> analog filters and a very crude voice engine. The Korg DSS-1 is the >>>>> only exception I've seen, and frankly I haven't been impressed by the >>>>> actual sound of most of what I'm hearing in YouTube demos of it. (Thi= s >>>>> could very well just be the demos. I've found you have to really >>>>> actually have a piece of gear for at least six months to really find o= ut >>>>> anything, and I've never had a DSS-1.) But there definitely seems to b= e >>>>> a real vacuum out there when it comes to samplers with deep voice >>>>> engines and real analog filters. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've heard about an alternative third-party OS for the Mirage called >>>>> Sound Process that's supposed to hack in all sorts of things Ensoniq >>>>> never thought of, including 4-oscillator/sample per voice (sounds >>>>> promising), multitimbral/multitrack operation, etc...basically, some >>>>> keen soul with a lot of machine language coding expertise on the Mirag= e >>>>> has hacked it silly and created a whole new environment for it. The O= S >>>>> disk is about $90 from Syntaur, so I think I'll want to check that out= . >>>>>=20 >>>>> If DSI or some other manufacturer today wanted to fill a void in the >>>>> market that's really never been fully addressed though, not even in th= e >>>>> previous analog era in the 80's, they should make something with a >>>>> really good polyphonic voice engine with matrix type routing that has >>>>> some good analog hardware filters, but have the oscillators be sample >>>>> playback...preferably very low resolution sample playback, and you >>>>> supply the samples. To me, the problem with PPG/SQ80 style wavetable >>>>> has always been that they already chose the waves for me before I had a= >>>>> chance to do anything. I want to have lots of EG's and LFO's, and hav= e >>>>> analog filters, and supply my own waveforms...basically a Korg DSS-1 >>>>> with great tone that can interface well with modern computers over USB= . >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> - Brent Busby + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> + With the rise of social networking >>>>> -- Studio -- + sites, computers are making people >>>>> -- Amadeus -- + easier to use every day. >>>>> ----------------+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >>=20 >=20 >=20