From dancemachine Sent Mon, May 8th 2006, 19:14
From dancemachine Sent Mon, May 8th 2006, 19:14
thanks Zoran-but check this out: from that link: "The signal envelope 2 sends to the VCFs has its sustain level set at zero volts regardless of the other parameters' settings. The practical effect of this is that if you programme a contour with the sustain set to full and turn the VCF envelope depth control up, then nothing happens until you turn the sustain level down, and the further down you turn it, the more effect the whole envelope contour has -- what were Korg thinking of?" ok, yeah, i kinda figured that out the other day, since my new-to-me micromoog kinda has the same thing going on with the envelopes. but when i set the ENV2 for no hold, no attack, no decay, full sustain, and no release, the synth should play as if the ENV2 is just a gate. it does, kinda. but if you route the ENV2 to say, filter cutoff, there is still a decay portion of the ENV, as if the level it reaches btwn attack and decay is higher than the max sustain setting. maybe this is just my ms20 being out of whack. can anyone confirm or deny this behavior? -michael Zoran Bosnjak wrote: > Michael, > > here is good article on MS-20, and the envelope behaviour: > > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/nov96/korgms20.html > > I use Doepfer envelopes instead. My Kenton Pro Solo can control MS-20 > oscillators, but I use Doepfer, MS-50, and Plan B for that. > > Regards, > > Zoran > > >> From: dancemachine <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >> To: Zoran Bosnjak <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >> CC: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Subject: Re: [AH] MS-20 Holes in Filter Section >> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:41:13 -0400 >> >> hmm. glad and sad to hear that. i never liked the ms-20 for bass >> sounds because i don't really like the way the envelopes work for >> those type of sounds, compared to moog bass. >> >> i still don't think i really understand the ms-20 envelopes. (but i >> did spend 15-20 minutes with it the other day and i feel better about >> them, but i'd still rather just use a moog for bass :) ) >> >> that and the fact that since i sold my bassstation rack, i cannot >> control the MS20 with midi, and i can control the moogs. >> >> >> -michael >> >> >> >> Zoran Bosnjak wrote: >>> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> I agree with your comment about MS-20 ver. 1 bass sounds. That's >>> exactly why I sold mine - I felt it was doing some things extremely >>> well (FX), and some very poorly (bass). I did not know about the >>> existance of two different versions back than. I thought I could >>> always buy it again, and get the same thing if I need it (mine was in >>> a poor condition, though it sounded great). How wrong I was. I got >>> version two recently, and to my surprise, this thing does an >>> excellent bass, and it is very pleasant sounding. Results are >>> consistant. My experience with ver 1 is that it can sound pretty bad, >>> but when you find the sweet spot, it is mindblowing, with very >>> specific character. I curse myself everyday for selling the version >>> one now - that's my biggest mistake so far (close to selling Korg >>> MonoPoly). I did find my own sound with version two, by using Doepfer >>> 111 oscillators (with correct dose of FM). >>> >>> Realizing how difficult is going to be to get ver. 1 again, I am >>> thinking of Frostwave resonator. But the files on Frostwave web site >>> are not better than MS-20 ver. 2, so I am hesitant to give it a try. >>> >>> By the way, serial number on mine is 1486xx. So I hope this helps, >>> >>> Zoran >>> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen > Technology > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > >