From noze Sent Thu, Oct 8th 1998, 06:24
From noze Sent Thu, Oct 8th 1998, 06:24
>Getting a crowd to move is not necessarily a sign of quality music. agreed. It may not be quality music, but it does its job, getting people to dance. Personally, I'd much rather hear an Aphrodite over a Paul Oakenfold any day. >What other drum n bass djs have you seen? Aside from Grooverider, all Texas talent. >version of a good form of music (E) It's boring compared to most IDM artists, yes I agree it is boring. But compared to the kind of shit you here in most clubs, I think it's a lot more exciting. >The IDM customers that bought jungle (at our store) were usually into >the Looking Good/LTJ Bukem stuff, Possible Records, techstep, and the >harder and darker drum n bass (like Chaos & Julia Set, Ed Rush/No U >turn, position Chrome, Squarepusher, Drill n bass etc.). and these are all the junglists that I pay money for as well. >On my scale of tastes I would rank Aphrodite about as high as Crystal >Method. Which is way low, but to some people it may be fresh and >new...and even cool. I just don't see them on the same level. I think the track Aphrodite did with the Jungle Brothers, for example, is a hundred times more interesting and well put together than any Crystal Method track. >What do I mean by bandwagon you ask? >Someone (it might of been you?) suggested that they hoped more idm >artists would go in this direction. I don't mean that I want there to be this big movement where all the Warp artists suddenly start putting out hip hop cds. I just think it would be cool if someone like Cylob or the DMX Krew did a track with a quality rapper. That's basically the extent of it. Knowing the experimental nature of IDM artists, I think such a collaboration would break new ground and offer a new approach to the production of hip hop. >First of all, having rap in drum n bass isn't new. Puff Daddy, the >Fugees, and many others have jungle remixes. Of course this isn't new. The first jungle tracks ever laid down had mcing over the top of it. The only newness I was trying to convey was that this comp was the first of it's kind (that I had seen) to be totally comprised of mainstream rap artists brought together with drum n bass artists. Aphrodite aside, I highly respect the Metalheadz, two of which are on the comp, and 4hero, whose last album I felt was excellent. >I don't know about you, >but I WOULD call it jumping on the bandwagon if all of a sudden a >bunch of IDM artists started to jump on this trend. I don't think any of the IDM artists are stupid enough to do something so calculated. But at the same time, I think it would be placing a limitation on them if we said that they couldn't pull off using the lyrical elements of hip hop in their music. >What is Autechre started doing a bunch of speed garage because it was >the "in thing". I don't know about you but I would be pretty >disappointed. Oh yeah! I think that would be fucking great! Give me a break. >And as stated before, I would prefer the IDM artists >to continue to strive to break new ground rather. Exactly, and I feel that it is possible to break this new ground, even with the use of an MC. >There have been many on the market for quite a while. >This is however the first one I have heard being released by Elektra. Oh really? Maybe you could let me know the names of these albums? This is the first cd I've ever seen that consisted entirely of mainstream American rappers and soul singers being remixed by jungle producers. >Uhh..maybe if there isn't very much MCing. It wouldn't be my >preference. Alot of the times the MC takes away from the music. I >don't know how many times the MC almost ruined the show for me. I have enough "faith" (for lack of a better word) that if any IDM artist where to use this style, they would do it in a fresh and original way. >> Take for example the 2nd track off of "Big Loada." > Now I know > >With regards to Big Loada, i didn't like it or buy it. Well here is our biggest disagreement. This is one of my favorite cds. >But you should expect people to agree or disagree to any post. If you >agree with me about a topic that fine, if you don't it just as fine. I >don't think any less of anyone. Were just talking about music and >that's tastes are subjective. I do expect that, and I welcome it. I enjoy these kinds of discussions. hugs and kisses, max ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]