Re: IDM you don't like

From Sham Beam
Sent Wed, Sep 2nd 2015, 23:50

alright, i have to put on horsey noises now.


On 9/3/2015 9:08 AM, Clint Anderson wrote:
> heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write
> terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares!
>
>
> Clint Anderson
> Systems Engineer
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> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
> <mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>     There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in
>     music.  Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to
>     explore and going all the way in without worrying about how it's
>     going to be received or how well it fits standard formats.  An
>     example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes 20 minute tracks.
>     They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike anything else.
>
>     Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you
>     aren't a good singer and you write terrible lyrics.  I can't think
>     of an IDM example, and even then that's subjective.
>
>     It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone
>     else will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence
>     if you follow your muse, and the result sucks.
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>     On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
>     <mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>         yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being
>         self-indulgent a bad thing?
>         also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO
>         like are NOT self indulgent?
>         (name some i bet they all are)
>
>         anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like
>         him more
>
>
>         Clint Anderson
>         Systems Engineer
>
>         On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange
>         <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx <mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>             I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is
>             Rotted..' did had some low points ("self indulgent" though I
>             guess he's an artist with the right to make what he wants
>             and I can opt not to buy... or just listen to individual
>             tracks).
>
>             Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as
>             he was... even for the stuff that was more classified as pop.
>
>
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>             On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson
>             <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx <mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>                 go back
>                 tom
>                 do it again
>
>
>                 Clint Anderson
>                 Systems Engineer
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>                 On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff
>                 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx <mailto:xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>                     as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex
>                     toy then? one should not try to fit a square peg in
>                     a round hole!
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>                     On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson"
>                     <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx <mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>                         the steely dan of techno
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>
>                         Clint Anderson
>                         Systems Engineer
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>                         On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams
>                         <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
>                         <mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>                             I also like that the kind of stuff by
>                             Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is Rotted
>                             One Note") is cited as something someone
>                             else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. Never
>                             could get into his stuff, especially the
>                             self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic
>                             stuff." Thanks Mark!
>
>                             We do also need to start a soundcloud free
>                             account in the name "SQUARPUSHER" and start
>                             posting wierd shit.
>
>                             On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint
>                             Anderson <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
>                             <mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
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>                                 this is funny because in theory doesnt
>                                 squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of albums?
>                                   i mean i get the impression that
>                                 second to afx he is one of warp's bigger
>                                 electronic acts but yet every other
>                                 person i talk to HATES his music, not
>                                 just dislikes but people say stuff just
>                                 like what you guys are sort of saying,
>                                 like that his style is actually
>                                 offensively 'self indulgent' to people heh
>                                 i guess i kind of see this but at the
>                                 same time it really doesnt affect me
>                                 listening to the music or maybe i even
>                                 enjoy that aspect of it...i loved big
>                                 loada, hard normal daddy, damogen
>                                 furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, but
>                                 then he came out with the kcrw sessions
>                                 which basically 'fixed' the issues i had
>                                 with ufabulum...
>                                 i dunno my one best friend says
>                                 vehemently "there is NOTHING original or
>                                 interesting about ANYTHING he's done"
>
>
>                                 Clint Anderson
>                                 Systems Engineer
>
>                                 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark
>                                 Schieldrop <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx
>                                 <mailto:xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>> wrote:
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>                                     Squarpusher. Never could get into
>                                     his stuff, especially the
>                                     self-indulgent and extremely boring
>                                     acoustic stuff. ____
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>                                     And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s
>                                     arguably not IDM.____
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>                                     *From:*Laurent Knauth
>                                     [mailto:xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
>                                     <mailto:xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>]
>                                     *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015
>                                     3:39 AM
>                                     *To:* Faraz Masroor
>                                     *Cc:* Idm List
>                                     *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like____
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>                                     Problem with this topic is that the
>                                     list is endless...____
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>                                     Hell is the limit !____
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>                                     On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM,
>                                     Faraz Masroor
>                                     <xxxxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
>                                     <mailto:xxxxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>>
>                                     wrote:____
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>                                     We have a lot of discussion here
>                                     about history of IDM, podcasts, new
>                                     releases were interested in, etc.
>                                     Basically stuff we like, but how
>                                     about a thread for stuff you don't
>                                     like?____
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>                                     I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin
>                                     very interesting because his new
>                                     songs are unfocused and too similar
>                                     to each other, kinda boring. I
>                                     haven't listened to SAW yet but I
>                                     imagine I'll like it better. ____
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>                                     Faraz____
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Sham Beam