From Mark Pulver Sent Sun, Apr 12th 1998, 19:53
rw (08:51 AM 4/12/98) wrote: >On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:37:28 -0500, >xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx wrote... >> >>Nope, this price is outrageous. > >I dunno. All of the ones I have seen for sale have been for $1k or more, >except the one I bought of course. 8) I'd say $1k for a MS50 is far from >outrageous taking in the functionality, sound and rareness of it. I guess we'd get into a discussion about perceived value and personal worth and all. But if they're really going for that then I obviously stand corrected. I may of just gotten old, or that week off of AH jadded my judgement, but I REALLY don't see how this box can be worth $1k >>The MS-50 was originally sold as an add-on for the MS-10 and -20. It's a >>VCO, VCF and VCA with a pair of ADSRs. There's a ring modulator in there as >>well, and a tracking generator. The meter better be solid gold for someone >>to pay this price. > >Actually, its quite a bit mroe than that. > >... (module list deleted) > >Now with what other modulars can you get all that for $1k? Very few. Even with Doepfer's prices on their German site, converting to US and adding the VAT, I can spend under $1k and get more functionality. I will contest that I left out things that I personally wouldn't use like the headphone amp, meter, and the trigger switch. But what I end up with is a system with: VCO, mmode VCF, VCA (aren't you double counting the RingMod on the MS-50 as a second VCA?), Dual ADSR, Dual Gate Delays, Dual LFOs, Dual RingMods, Clock Divider, Mixer, Noise/Rnd, Dual S&H, mults, power supply Which, before adding VAT, the long wait, and local $$$ issues, comes out to about 1345 DM, or US $750. Even if this climbs to US $1200 by the time it gets to my door, I still end up with much more system than is in the MS-50. >For a full review check out: > >...(link deleted 'cause Eudora mashed it) > >Its done by some guy named fEEd at the U of Minnesota. Great manual quote in >his sig too: Ahh... the days of multiple personalities... :) >>For $1000 you can get a Doepfer system with a lot more power. :) > >Good luck. Besides, "power" isnt everything. There is a little thing called >"sound" that might come into play. If you want a MS50, dont buy a Doepfer >imo. And vice-versa for that matter. Sound: http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/products/10zx5425.htm :) sorry... I had to... :) Anyway... You know that I agree about paying for sound versus power and I suspect that the filter in the MS-50 is the wonderful smooth one that I love in the MP, but my God, if they're really going for $1k, then people need to get a grip. My personal opinion (flame suit on :) is that I wouldn't pay much more than $500 for the box. There's a limit - in this case - to what I would pay for the sound. I'm not really trying to start a war, although I may of. Must be the Guns 'N Roses that's on the ray-did-eee-ooo here... :) Nothing like a little "November Rain"... Scream it Axel! :) Mark _________________________________________________________________________ Mark Pulver - Home of the "MIDI 2nd Bedroom Featuring the Modular Closet" http://www.midiwall.com - Nord Mod: http://www.midiwall.com/nordmodular