From thighp Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 23:51
From thighp Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 23:51
I always loved the Sequential Circuits Prophet 2000 and 2002. Not as = deep as the EMUs but a great sound. Thighp. > On 27 Mar 2018, at 23:08, Scott Gibbons <xxxxx@xxx-xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >=20 > I may be placing my neck on the guillotine by saying this, but I think = e-Mu=E2=80=99s digital filters aren=E2=80=99t bad. I=E2=80=99ve had = synths with analogue filters that didn=E2=80=99t sound nearly as musical = or characterful as the digital filters in the Emax II or e4XT. And the = matrix-like routing in EOS 4 is insane fun! >=20 > all my best, > - Scott >=20 > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Brian Mulvey <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >=20 >>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Brian Mulvey <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Not with analog filters though. I can=E2=80=99t think of any = keyboard samplers with them after the E III, until the Waldorf Quantum. = Correct me if i=E2=80=99m wrong! >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Andrew Horton = <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> You realize there was like 20 years of samplers after the mirage, = right? You can find a million fully featured insane sample synthesizers = on reverb right now! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Brent Busby <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I've purchased an Ensoniq Mirage rack (not arrived yet), because = I >>>>>> wanted to experiment with my own sampled waveforms and analog = filters. >>>>>> Partially my choice of the Mirage was because of the amount of = money I >>>>>> have to spend right now, not because it was necessarily the best = choice >>>>>> for this. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I am rather disappointed by its voice architecture though. It = offers >>>>>> two oscillator (sample playback) per voice, but there is only = enough >>>>>> independant control over the pitch of the second oscillator to = allow for >>>>>> chorus/detune type effects. There is one LFO, which can only = send >>>>>> triangle waves, and can only modulate the pitch of both = oscillators. >>>>>> (Basically it's hard wired to be a modulation wheel effect.) >>>>>> Thankfully, the filter does have its own EG separate from the = output >>>>>> EG. It's 8-bit with playback rates as low as 8kHz, which should = be >>>>>> charaterful, and the filters are CEM chips, but still, it's = awfully >>>>>> hobbled and I would have liked more...like perhaps an SQ80 voice = engine >>>>>> where you supply your own waves. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> It seems though that with sampler/synths you have to choose: You = can >>>>>> have a nice voice architecture, but digital filters, or you can = have >>>>>> analog filters and a very crude voice engine. The Korg DSS-1 is = the >>>>>> only exception I've seen, and frankly I haven't been impressed by = the >>>>>> actual sound of most of what I'm hearing in YouTube demos of it. = (This >>>>>> could very well just be the demos. I've found you have to really >>>>>> actually have a piece of gear for at least six months to really = find out >>>>>> anything, and I've never had a DSS-1.) But there definitely = seems to be >>>>>> a real vacuum out there when it comes to samplers with deep voice >>>>>> engines and real analog filters. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I've heard about an alternative third-party OS for the Mirage = called >>>>>> Sound Process that's supposed to hack in all sorts of things = Ensoniq >>>>>> never thought of, including 4-oscillator/sample per voice (sounds >>>>>> promising), multitimbral/multitrack operation, etc...basically, = some >>>>>> keen soul with a lot of machine language coding expertise on the = Mirage >>>>>> has hacked it silly and created a whole new environment for it. = The OS >>>>>> disk is about $90 from Syntaur, so I think I'll want to check = that out. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> If DSI or some other manufacturer today wanted to fill a void in = the >>>>>> market that's really never been fully addressed though, not even = in the >>>>>> previous analog era in the 80's, they should make something with = a >>>>>> really good polyphonic voice engine with matrix type routing that = has >>>>>> some good analog hardware filters, but have the oscillators be = sample >>>>>> playback...preferably very low resolution sample playback, and = you >>>>>> supply the samples. To me, the problem with PPG/SQ80 style = wavetable >>>>>> has always been that they already chose the waves for me before I = had a >>>>>> chance to do anything. I want to have lots of EG's and LFO's, = and have >>>>>> analog filters, and supply my own waveforms...basically a Korg = DSS-1 >>>>>> with great tone that can interface well with modern computers = over USB. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --=20 >>>>>> - Brent Busby + = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> + With the rise of social networking >>>>>> -- Studio -- + sites, computers are making people >>>>>> -- Amadeus -- + easier to use every day. >>>>>> ----------------+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20