From Mati Sent Thu, Aug 2nd 2007, 10:06
ok - we're done here. this is going nowhere fast. matt out. On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Plan B (Peter Grenader) wrote: > > M - > > Please take the time to read the thread you've started - my > previous post to > djhohum being a real good starting point. I don't know where you > guys are > seeing where I accused you of blowing this module - I didn't say that > 'basically' or otherwise. Please read my reply to dj - it's all there. > > I also wish you would have mentioned to the group when you first > brought up > the fact it was blown when you got it that it was a used VCO. I > think that > would have painted a much different picture than the one presented. > > In regard to this (my reply is below): > > "As I said in my email to you earlier - the placement of this screw > for calibration, and the fact that I have to unrack the module, > dangle it outside of my case, trigger notes so I can tune it and > twist the trim tool, all with two hands and the assistance of my knee > is annoying - period, sorry. Drill a hole in the face plate and give > us access to the trim pot from the front so we can just leave it > racked and get it all calibrated without a plate spinning routine. > Kenton puts their trims for scaling calibration on the back of their > converters via a little hole, and this is great - I just stick a > flathead in and I can calibrate until my head falls off with 2 > fingers." > > Needless to say, this is not the way to do it. Please look on page > two of > the procedure. It talks about making a cable to perform the > calibration and > why that's important. Here's the link > > http://www.ear-group.net/planb_m15_cal_procedure.pdf > > If you don't have the time for that read, I totally understand - > then watch > the movie I made for you - it's all there as well: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT37YbHv3so#GU5U2spHI_4 > > > I'm not going to take the group's bandwidth on this topic any > longer. I'm > here to help ya Mati...can't do it if you don't follow the > manufacturer's > guidelines. Again, if you need my help with this, then please do > what the > guidelines suggest and get with me off line. If any of you would > like to be > on distribution of those letters, let me know (offline) and I will > copy you > all. > > best, > > - P > > > > > > > > > mati-2 wrote: >> >> On Aug 1, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Plan B (Peter Grenader) wrote: >> >>> >>> It was returned to us DOA because it had been plugged in >>> backwards. I know >>> this because Q1 and the analog switch used in the saw waveshaper >>> were gone. >>> This is what happens when they are plugged in backwards. We >>> repaired free >>> of charge, although this damage is not covered by our warranty. >> >> Ok - I am going to show some restraint here and not post our thread >> back and forth about my module and it's state when I sent it back. If >> you recall - there were several things going on that we identified as >> being suspect. And this module WAS used after all - maybe it was >> borked at the shop I got it from, who knows. But since you are >> basically saying that I fried it, when we can both read our sent >> items and know that is not true, I have to say something. As for >> being plugged in backward, it is plugged in to my case now with the >> red band facing exactly the same way as it was when I first >> received it. >> >>> >>> You're never going to get 'perfectly' in tune. It's an analog >>> VCO. If this >>> is what you want, we will gladly replace the unit with something >>> else from >>> our product line. You need to make the decision if what you are >>> getting is >>> musical or not. Over 400 of these have been sold - we have not >>> received the >>> number of complaints which match the aggrevation you're >>> experiencing, so I >>> suspect there is something wrong. But you've got to follow the >>> procedure in >>> determining this. I keep seeing the word "tuner" in your responses. >> >> yeah - I got the tuner out when I started having trouble calibrating >> it, just to verify that my ears had not gone batshit. It is musical >> for sure - for half of the sequences I make, even in its current >> state it is totally useful to me. But there are times were I jump >> several octaves in a sequence and this oscillator just has not been >> getting it done. >> >>> >>> Here's something else i can do. I've spent today making a >>> slideshow (with >>> audio) that outlines this procedure. It's about to be uploaded >>> onto You >>> tube. If you're not getting results like this, then it's defective >>> and we >>> wiil gladly deal with that. >> >> Since you took the time, sure I will give it another try. >> >>> >>> Personally, we've got nothing we're trying to hide here -- if you >>> wish to >>> continue copying the group on this, I'm OK with it. But if you'd >>> like >>> (read: if they would prefer) , maybe we could take this offline? >>> It's >>> totally up to you. >> >> I responded to you offline, this was just a reply to your public >> post. Funny, this reminds me of a story of my friend who got bitched >> out by Don Buchla for posting questions about his 200E on the net. >> But it cost me much less to get scolded I suppose. >> >> >> >> So anyway..... For the record, I think Plan B stuff sounds great. I >> think they offer good service. And I have been 99.9% happy with my >> purchase, you all just heard about the .1% that I was not happy >> about. >> >> mati out. >> >>> >>> - P >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> mati-2 wrote: >>>> >>>> I have responded to your initial email offline. >>>> >>>> my responses inline. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Plan B (Peter Grenader) wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mati - >>>>> >>>>> Just looked over my in basket and found that you had written us a >>>>> series of >>>>> letters and posted a couple on the AH list as well asking >>>>> specifically about >>>>> 1v/oct adjustments on the VCO BEFORE you purchased the unit. Now >>>>> there are >>>>> problems once you have (weird coincidence?), I've got some >>>>> questions for >>>>> you: >>>>> >>>>> 1) In one of those letters you asked about powering the unit >>>>> off of >>>>> 15 volts >>>>> instead of 12. Which are you using? >>>> >>>> standard doepfer A-100P case. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2) How 'off' was the tracking when you received the unit? If >>>>> you're only >>>>> getting three octaves - then the 1v/oct trimmer (i tested this >>>>> yesterday) >>>>> would have been 1- to 12 turns short of the 'sweet spot' for >>>>> adjusting it in >>>>> the only the four octave range (it's a 25 turn pot). This is >>>>> highly >>>>> suspicious to me, suggeting that this unit had not been cal'd >>>>> when it >>>>> shipped. If this was the case, then this pot was never touched. >>>>> Problem is, >>>>> we don't install knobs on our units until they have passed final >>>>> test. >>>>> That's my safeguard to assure that they have in fact been >>>>> tested and >>>>> calibrated. >>>> >>>> when I initially got the oscillator - it was DOA. then I >>>> returned it >>>> to your shop - you guys fixed it (really quickly I might add) and >>>> shipped it back. as far as how off, as stated in my email to you >>>> that >>>> I sent you privately, just when I think I am close to getting it >>>> perfectly in tune, the screw starts clicking and will not adjust >>>> any >>>> further - so not very. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3) Did your unit arrive without knobs? Pardon if that seems like a >>>>> silly >>>>> question..it is however the obvious one. >>>>> >>>> >>>> no - had knobs. looks great. >>>> >>>>> 4) I cal'd a Model 15 here last night, then powered it up gain, >>>>> this time >>>>> at 1`5 volts. Hat was a perfect 6 octave adjustment before was >>>>> now >>>>> a bit >>>>> under 4 octaves. Are you powering this unit off of 15 volts? >>>>> >>>> >>>> see above - 12v >>>>> please let me know and thanks, >>>>> >>>>> - P >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tuning-Plan-B- >>>>> Model-15-tf4154506.html#a11947233 >>>>> Sent from the Analogue Heaven mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tuning-Plan-B- >>> Model-15-tf4154506.html#a11955682 >>> Sent from the Analogue Heaven mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tuning-Plan-B- > Model-15-tf4154506.html#a11959691 > Sent from the Analogue Heaven mailing list archive at Nabble.com.