Re: [AH] Tuning Plan B - last post.

From Mati
Sent Thu, Aug 2nd 2007, 10:06

ok - we're done here. this is going nowhere fast.

matt out.

On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Plan B (Peter Grenader) wrote:

>
> M -
>
> Please take the time to read the thread you've started - my  
> previous post to
> djhohum being a real good starting point.  I don't know where you  
> guys are
> seeing where I accused you of blowing this module - I didn't say that
> 'basically' or otherwise. Please read my reply to dj - it's all there.
>
> I also wish you would have mentioned to the group when you first  
> brought up
> the fact it was blown when you got it that it was a used VCO.  I  
> think that
> would have painted a much different picture than the one presented.
>
> In regard to this (my reply is below):
>
> "As I said in my email to you earlier - the placement of this screw
> for calibration, and the fact that I have to unrack the module,
> dangle it outside of my case, trigger notes so I can tune it and
> twist the trim tool, all with two hands and the assistance of my knee
> is annoying - period, sorry. Drill a hole in the face plate and give
> us access to the trim pot from the front so we can just leave it
> racked and get it all calibrated without a plate spinning routine.
> Kenton puts their trims for scaling calibration on the back of their
> converters via a little hole, and this is great - I just stick a
> flathead in and I can calibrate until my head falls off with 2  
> fingers."
>
> Needless to say, this is not the way to do it.  Please look on page  
> two of
> the procedure.  It talks about making a cable to perform the  
> calibration and
> why that's important.  Here's the link
>
> http://www.ear-group.net/planb_m15_cal_procedure.pdf
>
> If you don't have the time for that read, I totally understand -  
> then watch
> the movie I made for you - it's all there as well:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT37YbHv3so#GU5U2spHI_4
>
>
> I'm not going to take the group's bandwidth on this topic any  
> longer.  I'm
> here to help ya Mati...can't do it if you don't follow the  
> manufacturer's
> guidelines.  Again, if you need my help with this, then please do  
> what the
> guidelines suggest and get with me off line.  If any of you would  
> like to be
> on distribution of those letters, let me know (offline) and I will  
> copy you
> all.
>
> best,
>
>  - P
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> mati-2 wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Plan B (Peter Grenader) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It was returned to us DOA because it had been plugged in
>>> backwards.  I know
>>> this because Q1 and the analog switch used in the saw waveshaper
>>> were gone.
>>> This is what happens when they are plugged in backwards.  We
>>> repaired free
>>> of charge, although this damage is not covered by our warranty.
>>
>> Ok - I am going to show some restraint here and not post our thread
>> back and forth about my module and it's state when I sent it back. If
>> you recall - there were several things going on that we identified as
>> being suspect. And this module WAS used after all - maybe it was
>> borked at the shop I got it from, who knows. But since you are
>> basically saying that I fried it, when we can both read our sent
>> items and know that is not true, I have to say something. As for
>> being plugged in backward, it is plugged in to my case now with the
>> red band facing exactly the same way as it was when I first  
>> received it.
>>
>>>
>>> You're never going to get 'perfectly' in tune.  It's an analog
>>> VCO.  If this
>>> is what you want, we will gladly replace the unit with something
>>> else from
>>> our product line.  You need to make the decision if what you are
>>> getting is
>>> musical or not.  Over 400 of these have been sold - we have not
>>> received the
>>> number of complaints which match the aggrevation you're
>>> experiencing, so I
>>> suspect there is something wrong.  But you've got to follow the
>>> procedure in
>>> determining this.  I keep seeing the word "tuner" in your responses.
>>
>> yeah - I got the tuner out when I started having trouble calibrating
>> it, just to verify that my ears had not gone batshit. It is musical
>> for sure - for half of the sequences I make, even in its current
>> state it is totally useful to me. But there are times were I jump
>> several octaves in a sequence and this oscillator just has not been
>> getting it done.
>>
>>>
>>> Here's something else i can do.  I've spent today making a
>>> slideshow (with
>>> audio) that outlines this procedure.  It's about to be uploaded
>>> onto You
>>> tube.  If you're not getting results like this, then it's defective
>>> and we
>>> wiil gladly deal with that.
>>
>> Since you took the time, sure I will give it another try.
>>
>>>
>>> Personally, we've got nothing we're trying to hide here --  if you
>>> wish to
>>> continue copying the group on this, I'm OK with it.  But if you'd  
>>> like
>>> (read:  if they would prefer) , maybe we could take this offline?
>>> It's
>>> totally up to you.
>>
>> I responded to you offline, this was just a reply to your public
>> post. Funny, this reminds me of a story of my friend who got bitched
>> out by Don Buchla for posting questions about his 200E on the net.
>> But it cost me much less to get scolded I suppose.
>>
>>
>>
>> So anyway..... For the record, I think Plan B stuff sounds great. I
>> think they offer good service. And I have been 99.9% happy with my
>> purchase, you all just heard about the .1% that I was not happy  
>> about.
>>
>> mati out.
>>
>>>
>>> - P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mati-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have responded to your initial email offline.
>>>>
>>>> my responses inline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Plan B (Peter Grenader) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mati -
>>>>>
>>>>> Just looked over my in basket and found that you had written us a
>>>>> series of
>>>>> letters and posted a couple on the AH list as well asking
>>>>> specifically about
>>>>> 1v/oct adjustments on the VCO BEFORE you purchased the unit.  Now
>>>>> there are
>>>>> problems once you have (weird coincidence?), I've got some
>>>>> questions for
>>>>> you:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) In one of those letters you asked about powering the unit  
>>>>> off of
>>>>> 15 volts
>>>>> instead of 12.  Which are you using?
>>>>
>>>> standard doepfer A-100P case.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2)  How 'off' was the tracking when you received the unit?  If
>>>>> you're only
>>>>> getting three octaves - then the 1v/oct trimmer (i tested this
>>>>> yesterday)
>>>>> would have been 1- to 12 turns short of the 'sweet spot' for
>>>>> adjusting it in
>>>>> the only the four octave range (it's a 25 turn pot).    This is
>>>>> highly
>>>>> suspicious to me, suggeting that this unit had not been cal'd
>>>>> when it
>>>>> shipped.  If this was the case, then this pot was never touched.
>>>>> Problem is,
>>>>> we don't install knobs on our units until they have passed final
>>>>> test.
>>>>> That's my safeguard to assure that they have in fact been  
>>>>> tested and
>>>>> calibrated.
>>>>
>>>> when I initially got the oscillator - it was DOA. then I  
>>>> returned it
>>>> to your shop - you guys fixed it (really quickly I might add) and
>>>> shipped it back. as far as how off, as stated in my email to you  
>>>> that
>>>> I sent you privately, just when I think I am close to getting it
>>>> perfectly in tune, the screw starts clicking and will not adjust  
>>>> any
>>>> further - so not very.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Did your unit arrive without knobs? Pardon if that seems like a
>>>>> silly
>>>>> question..it is however the obvious one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no - had knobs. looks great.
>>>>
>>>>> 4)  I cal'd a Model 15 here last night, then powered it up gain,
>>>>> this time
>>>>> at 1`5 volts.  Hat was a perfect 6 octave adjustment before was  
>>>>> now
>>>>> a bit
>>>>> under 4 octaves.  Are you powering this unit off of 15 volts?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> see above - 12v
>>>>> please let me know and thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> - P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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