From Q-Force Sent Mon, Oct 20th 1997, 09:38
From Q-Force Sent Mon, Oct 20th 1997, 09:38
siliconvortex wrote: > >They sounded pretty experimental to me when I bought their green album > >when it was first released (1991?) > > it didn't to me because i was checking out dj pierre, trax records and > detroit techno 5 years earlier As was I. I still would say they started off sounding experimental though. Track 1 on the green album was using all sorts of crazy sounds for percussion in a way that I'd normally associate with Autechre. Very new and unexpected to my ears which until then was mostly familiar with x0x stuff. But then again, my pre-1989 music collection consists mostly of trax, dj-international, detroit licensed compilation gear (eg: House Hallucinates, House Sound of, Acid Trax, Techno: The New Dance Sound of... etc.) so what do I know. Hey, you've just reminded me, I've got an early pommie comp called "North: The Sound of the Dance Underground" which I haven't played in maybe 5 years. I think I know what I'll be doing tonight. :-) > > a Kraftwerk album doesn't sound very innovative if you pretend that it > > was created in 1997 instead of 1978. > > doesn't it? DOES TO ME. Innovation is about sounding NEW. If The Man Machine was created in 97 instead of 78 then it would be measured against the likes of trax, transmat, rephlex, warp, clear, etc etc... I'm not sure it'd earn an "innovative" sticker then. But maybe The Man Machine is NEW in its own way and it'd still be contributing something NEW no matter when it was released. You could have a point there. > >"Well-engineered", "feel-good" and "simplistic" don't preclude something > >from being fresh or innovative. > > i didn't say it couldn't be, and i don't want to carry on putting down > orbital because they are really on a different tip for the reason i outlined [earlier] Yep. I agree. That's the whole thrust of it really. The experimental/innovative haggling doesn't change how we feel about how they sound now. I'll stop crapping-on now. :-) -- Q-Force xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx http://www.holon.net/qforce/