From sines Sent Mon, Mar 5th 2018, 20:26
From sines Sent Mon, Mar 5th 2018, 20:26
Banging my head against the wall once again with MFB=E2=80=99s Seq-01 = =E2=80=9CPro=E2=80=9D *cough* Anyone have experience with this? Sadly, not the first time I=E2=80=99m = having these syncing issues. Todd=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Todd Sines <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> > Subject: Re: Issues with syncing Seq-01 Pro > Date: March 5, 2018 at 2:47:19 PM EST > To: Sebastian Preller <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx>, Jean Marcel Fricke = <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> > Cc: x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx >=20 > Also I found this on muffwiggler.com [where I also posted my question] > = https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D178593&sid=3D66185ee14= adab0b294512ea2631f13cf >=20 >> I have received a reply from MFB on the Seq-01 pro. I asked them a = couple of things and also included the questions others on this thread = came up with so far (hopefully) Good on all counts apart from a video = demo - maybe someone on here will do one soon!=20 >>=20 >> Especially interesting that the m-bus will be open to other = manufacturers so that potentially the extra channels could control = others (maybe even diy?)=20 >>=20 >> The reply from MFB:=20 >> 1) The M-Bus is a midi like serial connection but it is 10 times = faster than midi, we will open it to other manufacturers=20 >> 2) The midi in is for midi clock synchronisation and future firmware = updates=20 >> 3) It is possible to sync it to midi clock, analog clock with = start/stop signal or reset impuls=20 >> 4) http://mfberlin.de/wp-content/uploads/SEQ_01_Pro_engl.pdf=20 >> 5) The SEQ-01 Pro is ready to be ordered, we have units in stock >=20 > If MBus is not supposed to be proprietary, then why are only MFB = modules capable of supporting it? >=20 > I bought this module thinking it would solve my other issues with the = Seq-02 from last year. >=20 > Programming gate tracks is not anywhere near intuitive as the Seq-02; = in fact, I cannot get it to program anymore, except be in mute mode. >=20 > It will not sync to any other MIDI clocks or clock inputs, that I have = at least. >=20 > I try to send sync from: > Korg Volca Beats > Korg Volca Beats > Erica Synths bi-directional MIDI<->Clock, and crank = up PPQ to get it to the rate needed by the Seq-01 > MPC Midi out > Erica Synths MIDI to CV Clock out > =E2=80=9C =E2=80= =9C =E2=80=9C " >=20 > It should be just a Sync Out from Volca Beats [which has a digital BPM = readout] to Seq-01; no clock dividers, multipliers, or trigger to gate = conversion. My last set with driving the Volca from the MFB Seq-01 was a = nightmare because the tempo adjust dial is so delicate that 1mm of = adjust is almost a 20 BPM difference in speed change. It is simply = unusable as a master clock for sending control to other devices. >=20 > I have a Garfield Doctor Click for the studio [with my older MFB drum = machines, Korg MiniPops7, KR-55B, etc.] which that is the only device = with a myriad of inverted and regular pulses to send sync from. But it = weighs as much as my entire modular, not going to lug that around on a = tour. >=20 > Please help=E2=80=A6 and consider making a MBUS > trigger converter so = those other trigger outs might be able to be used. > Also, after playing it live, a toggle mini ON-ON-ON SPDT switch would = be preferred over the momentary tact switch for A/B pattern changes. >=20 > Really frustrated with this purchase so far. Please make it right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Todd >=20 >> From: "x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx" <x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx> >> Subject: AW: Fwd: issues with MFB Seq-02 >> Date: May 10, 2017 at 1:24:29 AM EDT >> To: Todd Sines <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> >> Reply-To: "x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx" <x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx> >>=20 >> The problem could be with of the ckock. SEQ-02 need positiv clock, 5 = volt min. 5 msec. >> =20 >> =20 >> Hello Manfred / MFB, >>=20 >> Hope you are well. I have owned a MFB Seq-02 [And MFB-512!] for a = number of years and I=E2=80=99ve been trying to get to the bottom of a = number of issues with it, including the purchase of other modules to try = to rectify the situation.=20 >>=20 >> * Purchased a 4MS SCM Shuffling Clock Multiplier to get the clock = resolution up to 96 ppq >> * Tried 3x MIDI to CV / Gate and Sync devices [Pittsburgh MIDI2, = HexInverter MIDI2CV, Intellijel =C2=B5MIDI] to get a clock to be at the = resolution of what is needed to drive the Seq-02 at the right clock when = slaving to a MIDI clock >> * Reset / Start/stop / clock will only work, but not always, with the = Intellijel =C2=B5MIDI >> * Sync drifts or skips a step and throws my sequences completely out = of sync over time when slaving to MIDI clock >> * As a temporary fix I would send MIDI into Intellijel =C2=B5MIDI, = Clock out into 4MS SCM and use the 1x output to insure the incoming = clock to the Seq-02 is correct. >> Tried the same with 1/16th note out into 4MS > 4x out to drive the = 96ppq clock needed by the Seq-02. >>=20 >> I have performed a number of times with this setup [Tresor in Berlin = 2x, etc. etc] over the last 2 years and it=E2=80=99s been nothing but = agony and frustration trying to figure out the culprit, until today, = when I read this: >> https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D49327 >>=20 >> There are 3 pages of people complaining the same issue and I don=E2=80=99= t know what you can do. Have you solved these issues? I would be = interested if you can replace this Seq-02 module with a Seq-01 PRO, = hoping that the current module has fixed the problems. >>=20 >> Let me know. >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >>=20 >> Todd >=20 >> Todd Sines: >> Losing sync between these two >> http://mfberlin.de/wp-content/uploads/SEQ-02_english.pdf >>=20 >> = http://data.hexinverter.net/hexinverter_ACXSynth_MIDI2CV_USER%20MANUAL_v2.= 0_FIRMWARE5.7.pdf >> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0jGY8gBYGYHD0K >> any ideas? it >> it isn=E2=80=99t the clock division but this the specific reason = I got this module.. =F0=9F=98=95=20 >> Mike Schmidt: >> So the sync jack on the midi2cv should be putting out 24ppqn, = but the mfb receives 96 clicks per bar(same) >> They both can be altered though... >> Todd Sines: >> Correct. First bar is almost in sync but is completely out of = sync after 15 seconds or less=20 >> when could you address it? >> = https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0jGY8gBYGYHD0K;65ED4B2A-A49A-4DC0-8A9= 8-C45F4824A700 >>=20 >> Second video showing it locking up when in mono mode (which is what I = need to use reset & start/stop) >> Mike Schmidt: >> Hmm it's hard to judge what is exactly going on.. Obviously = there's some pulses not registering. Just have to figure out where... >> Have you tried having the mfb respond to 16 pulse per bar and = setting the midi2cv to 16 as well?=20 >> Todd Sines: >> Ok. Should I ask Stacy as well, or do you think it's a problem = with either calibration or my build? >> I wanted to use 96 ppq because that's the only external sync = mode that supports shuffle=20 >> Mike Schmidt: >> Ahh right >> Todd Sines: >> If you use 16 ppb it doesn't work=20 >> Mike Schmidt: >> It'd be worth a test though=20 >> Todd Sines: >> I'll try it. >> Mike Schmidt: >> When I take a look at it next, can I take the mfb as well? >> Todd Sines: >> Yes >> Mike Schmidt: >> As for the cv calibration, I think the main issue is the build, = like another odd value resistor causing it not to have the range to cal = properly. >> Todd Sines: >> Can it be fixed you think? >> =09 >> I tried this 4x both hitting C#1 & D#1 1x and 2x to divide the = clock by 6, then entering B1 to store and it simply will not save the = settings >>=20 >>=20 >> Mike Schmidt: >> Looking at the pulses coming out on the midi2cv, there seems to = be some glitchy stuff going on. Also (only sometimes) it acts weird = when you go from "stopped" to "play". Like the clock output waits before = outputting a pulses. That part of it doesn't seem like a build issue, = but a firmware issue. Do you know which firmware is on here? The = original or the redone firmware by "dmitry"? >> Sometimes I can get it to act normal for a while then it'll miss = a clock pulse and get off. >> Todd Sines: >> I bought it direct from Stacy with firmware on there =E2=80=94 = didn't update it at all.=20 >> Wondering if I should go buy another but I just can't afford to = drop $250-300 at Ctrl at the moment >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Sebastian Preller = <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>=20 >> the MPC is not able to transmit sysex messages. 30ms is not the = transmission speed, it is the pause between messages. It has to be at = least 60ms. >>=20 >> Am 05.03.2018 um 18:02 schrieb Todd Sines: >>> I do not.=20 >>>=20 >>> I tried slowing down the transmission speed to 30ms [half of what = you recommended] and the MIDI interface shows that MIDI is being sent = out [like the last video], but the SEQ-01 is not receiving anything. >>>=20 >>> Why can=E2=80=99t the sysex be converted to a .MID file for use with = the MPC? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Todd >>>=20 >>>> On Mar 5, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Sebastian Preller = <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Maybe your midi interface has problems with sysex data. >>>>=20 >>>> Do you have an other one? >>>>=20 >>>> Am 05.03.2018 um 17:22 schrieb Todd Sines: >>>>> Yes =E2=80=94 here is another video demo >>>>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0jGrq0zwGrRH4u >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is really frustrating =E2=80=94 and the sequencing method is = far less intuitive than the Seq-02.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Todd >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Sebastian Preller = <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Did you set the module into update mode?=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Am 05.03.2018 um 15:28 schrieb Todd Sines: >>>>>>> Hello Sebastian, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I first tried the update with the MPC. Then I tried it with the = .sys file sending it to the SEQ-01 via USB/MIDI OUT from a Native = Instruments Audio 8. Nothing updates on the steps when I send the file. = I am using the included MIDI > 3.5mm TRS adapters and have verified that = these cables work with other devices. The adapter works with the = Nanozwerg.=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> So there is no way to adapt MBus to Trigger outputs? I own a MFB = 501 + 512 drum machine, but didn=E2=80=99t think the MFB drum modules = sounded enough like those drum machines, so I went for TipTop modules = because they were flexible, but sounded closer to the their cloned = sources. It is a shame to only be able to use 8 max trigger outs since = you can=E2=80=99t use the second row [9-16] for drum triggers, from what = I can see. Or can you? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Todd >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2018, at 4:34 AM, Sebastian Preller = <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Hi Todd, >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> it is not possible to do the update with a MPC. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> When you power up the SEQ-01 in update mode LEDs LoadPatt,Save = Patt, Select and Shift are illuminated red. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> If you send the update file the Steps LEDs show the progress. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> If I can find some time, I can add the Song Position Pointer = support. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> The MBUS only works with MFB modules. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Greetings >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Sebastian >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Am 04.03.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Todd Sines: >>>>>>>>> HI Sebastian, >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I got your new firmware [.sys] that I converted to .MID and = loaded into my MPC, which I am trying to have the SEQ--01 Pro slave to. = It won't send song position, which really sucks, because I want the = Play/Start to be in sync so I can stutter playback from the MPC, and = have the SEQ-01 lock in step.=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I have tried:=20 >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Booting the module holding down 1+9 to enter = "firmware update mode"=20 >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Updating firmware via SysExLibrarian using Korg SQ-1 = to stereo 3.5mm MIDI out into Seq-01 Pro MIDI in 3.5mm jack=20 >>>>>>>>> https://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/=20 >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Converting .sys to .MID, load into MPC, play .MID = from MPC.=20 >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Opening .sys in SysExLibrarian, transferring at 60ms = via Audio 8 MIDI OUT.=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> It plays 212 bars and stops; there is no visual indication of = anything happening when the SYSEX file is sent or completed. Cables have = been swapped and checked in every possible configuration; they work with = every other device, including a Nanozwerg, but will not jive with the = SEQ-01 Pro.=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I will say that the new sequencing mode is certainly more = obtuse than the Seq-02, and may consider picking up another one of those = again. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Also, I would love to be able to use the MBUS feature to = trigger TipTop audio drum modules; is there any way to do this? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Todd >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Sebastian Preller = <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Hi Todd, >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> the SEQ01-Pro does not support Midi Continue, but the MPC = does not send a start command, that is why it is not working. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> All other external sync modes need a start signal, only a = clock siognal is not working. Mode 5 works with a clock and the = start/stop jack works as reset. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I changed the firmware for you, now it also works = with continue, but you need to start at the beginning. I had no time to = add support for Song position Pointer, which is needed to start = somewhere in the song. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> For the firmware update please hold down while powering up = the keys 1 and 9.=20 >>>>>>>>>> Now transmit the syx file with on PC:MidiOx, on Mac = Sysexlibrarian. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> In both cases the waiting time between packages should be set = to 60ms >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Greetings >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Sebastian Preller >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Am 21.02.2018 um 15:21 schrieb x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx: >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: Issues with syncing Seq-01 Pro >>>>>>>>>>> Datum: 2018-02-20T06:59:55+0100 >>>>>>>>>>> Von: "Todd Sines" <xxxxx@xxxxx.xx> >>>>>>>>>>> An: "Jean Marcel Fricke" <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx>, = "x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx" <x.x.x@x-xxxxxx.xx> >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "MeMe Antenna" <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jean Marcel, >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, really hope you have some ideas.. I do not know = what kind of source =E2=80=9CClock=E2=80=9D you=E2=80=99re expecting = from an external device, but I tried it with a number of different = sources: Korg Volca Beats, HexInverter DIY MIDI2CV [clock output] = Analogue Solutions MT-9 MIDI to Trigger, and the only setting the Seq-01 = Pro responds to is Clock source Mode #5. 3, 4, 6, 7 do not work as = external clocks and I can=E2=80=99t rely on the MFB Seq-01 pro to send = the master clock [nor to I have a means of converting it into a MIDI = clock for the MPC] >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Modes 3 and 4 do not respond with any of those sources, and = MIDI in does not work either, with any of my MIDI sequencers =E2=80=94 = from computer via Logic Pro X > Audio 8 DJ MIDI out, MPC-1000, Korg = SQ-1, etc. What have you gotten to trigger it via MIDI? >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0jGrq0zwGrRH4u >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> I have a performance this Saturday in LA that I bought the = Seq-01 Pro for specifically [my last, in addition to the rest of my = modular, was lost / stolen by Air China]=20 >>>>>>>>>>> = https://www.facebook.com/toddsines/media_set?set=3Da.10155844813805891.107= 3741843.504820890&type=3D3 >>>>>>>>>>> I am not in the position to buy another Seq-01 Pro before = this weekend. I am CCing Meme Antenna whom I purchased the module from. >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you have a distributor / dealer in LA I can swap = this module for with?=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I leave on Thursday. >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Let me know, >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Todd >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Jean Marcel Fricke = <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Todd, >>>>>>>>>>> sorry to get back to you so late, we're testing it in an = MPC. >>>>>>>>>>> Will get back to you tomorrow. >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Jean Marcel Fricke >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.02.18 um 16:19 schrieb Todd Sines: >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, please look at these videos and hopefully you can help = me figure out what I am doing wrong? >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> MIDI OR SYNC / clock input is not working correctly. >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> Todd >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0jGrq0zwGrRH4u >>>>>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Todd