From Kim Cascone Sent Sat, Sep 30th 2006, 20:18
From Kim Cascone Sent Sat, Sep 30th 2006, 20:18
folks, a reminder: there is no cross-posting or announcements allowed on this main list...if you have something you want to promote please post it to the announcements list...see the microsound website for info on how to sub... thanks KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 19:03:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40374-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38417 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:03:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 38381 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:03:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:02:59 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] humorous beasts In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMtbHkWLeQEBAgcECgcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx do me a favour and define fanboy please. seems a pretty derogatory term to me and better make sure i'm not one. -d Kim Cascone wrote: >> seriously if every thread needs to include >> socialist dogma then retitle the list as "microsocialist" or something >> like that. Or at least include a warning on the homepage "all ye who >> enter beware PHD level discussion of Marxism". ;-) <- note the winking. > > some people are allergic to '-ism's' -- but then that's just another > '-ism' isn't it, since any system of ideas or opinions can be labeled > an 'ism' -- no? > > Marxist analysis is one of many critical frameworks that can be > applied to cultural discussions...and happens to be one which > determines how I 'receive' art and music... > > we all have a lens through which we color the world don't we? > > again, the microsound list was intended to be a forum for discussing > aesthetics and philosophy as applied to digital music -- so it stands > to reason that a Marxist analysis would be one of many applied to a > discussion... > > if you see absolutely no relation between music and politics - or > between art and philosophy or art and mathematics or any other > interesting graft that provokes an interesting discussion - then this > might not be the place for you...sorry, but I don't want this list > turning into a trainspotting fanboy list and I feel it's my duty to > keep the 'fanboy to philosophy' ratio adjusted according to the > founders recipe... > > and if this bugs you then the solution is very simple: start a list > that reflects your own mission... > > it's funny how when someone invokes Deleuze it isn't slapped down as > 'dogma' -- but utter the words 'Marxism' and all of a sudden > everything that comes out of your mouth is branded as diatribe or > dogma...it's just a framework -- and it happens to be my > framework...so I'm not going to stop expressing it because it makes > you uncomfortable... > > if you don't like my world view then either be polite and delete my > posts or unsub and start your own list... > > I'm not here to make your microsound experience warm and fuzzy... > > those wanting to express their opinions through the critical > frameworks of Lacanian, Marxist, Schenkerian, Structuralist, Deleuzian > etc. are encouraged to do so freely without intimidation from the > vehemently anti-intellectual among us...just ignore them and their > trolling posts... > > oh and I do have a sense a humor - but your 'winky joke' was just not > funny on any level! ;) > > respect, > KIM > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 18:15:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40373-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62800 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:15:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 62719 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:15:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] humorous beasts In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Marxist analysis is one of many critical frameworks that can be > applied to cultural discussions...and happens to be one which > determines how I 'receive' art and music... Appears to be the only framework you're interested in. But hey if that's what you like then criticize my piece "Pussyface" using the marxist framework. I'm sure that will be interesting. > we all have a lens through which we color the world don't we? > again, the microsound list was intended to be a forum for discussing > aesthetics and philosophy as applied to digital music -- so it stands > to reason that a Marxist analysis would be one of many applied to a > discussion... True enough.. but again Marxism seems to come up far more frequently than another other philosophy here... although I guess you've allready explained why this is. > if you see absolutely no relation between music and politics - or > between art and philosophy or art and mathematics or any other > interesting graft that provokes an interesting discussion - then this > might not be the place for you...sorry, but I don't want this list > turning into a trainspotting fanboy list and I feel it's my duty to > keep the 'fanboy to philosophy' ratio adjusted according to the > founders recipe... I see the relationships.. I was simply trying to provoke a practical discussion of how one conveys politics in music without using lyrics of course. It's not that I don't have any ideas on the subject but this is something I have not seen talked about anywhere else. Since I do not come from the same academic background as you you'll have to try harder to be less obfuscated. Software can influence technique so a discussion of it does not automatically imply a "fanboy philosophy". But seeing how it's possible that using a piece of software could imply some sort of political agenda .. for example the insinuation that Larry Wall is a pro-lifer.. then discussing software can certainly be philosphical and political. The founders receipt is heavy on the marxism. > and if this bugs you then the solution is very simple: start a list > that reflects your own mission... No thanks.. I don't have a mission or a specific agenda but yours has become pretty clear. > it's funny how when someone invokes Deleuze it isn't slapped down as > 'dogma' -- but utter the words 'Marxism' and all of a sudden > everything that comes out of your mouth is branded as diatribe or > dogma...it's just a framework -- and it happens to be my > framework...so I'm not going to stop expressing it because it makes > you uncomfortable... Based on the find command.. I see that Deleuze is mentioned a fraction of the number of times that Marx is mentioned. Also I think Deleuze simply does not carry the same baggage that Marx does. My only issue with you is your academic elitism, your obvious arrogance and self righteous know it all-ness about the subject of Marxism. Otherwise I'm sure you are a wonderful person with alot to share. > I'm not here to make your microsound experience warm and fuzzy... Well I'm convinved that this list is inappropriately titled as the relationship between any discussion here and "microsound" is purely coincidental. Indeed your mission seems to be to beat people over the head with your biased view of the world. > those wanting to express their opinions through the critical > frameworks of Lacanian, Marxist, Schenkerian, Structuralist, > Deleuzian etc. are encouraged to do so freely without intimidation > from the vehemently anti-intellectual among us...just ignore them and > their trolling posts... Of course if you do not express it from any of the prescribed frameworks ye shall be beaten over the head with links to wikipedia and many references to marxism. > oh and I do have a sense a humor - but your 'winky joke' was just not > funny on any level! ;) I'd like to hear a joke from you as long as it does not involve marx etc. Or is the witty titling of threads the extent of which you will go for humor? Yours truly and forever Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 16:48:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40372-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48338 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:48:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 48315 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:48:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:48:27 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] humorous beasts To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > seriously if every thread needs to include > socialist dogma then retitle the list as "microsocialist" or something > like that. Or at least include a warning on the homepage "all ye who > enter beware PHD level discussion of Marxism". ;-) <- note the > winking. some people are allergic to '-ism's' -- but then that's just another '-ism' isn't it, since any system of ideas or opinions can be labeled an 'ism' -- no? Marxist analysis is one of many critical frameworks that can be applied to cultural discussions...and happens to be one which determines how I 'receive' art and music... we all have a lens through which we color the world don't we? again, the microsound list was intended to be a forum for discussing aesthetics and philosophy as applied to digital music -- so it stands to reason that a Marxist analysis would be one of many applied to a discussion... if you see absolutely no relation between music and politics - or between art and philosophy or art and mathematics or any other interesting graft that provokes an interesting discussion - then this might not be the place for you...sorry, but I don't want this list turning into a trainspotting fanboy list and I feel it's my duty to keep the 'fanboy to philosophy' ratio adjusted according to the founders recipe... and if this bugs you then the solution is very simple: start a list that reflects your own mission... it's funny how when someone invokes Deleuze it isn't slapped down as 'dogma' -- but utter the words 'Marxism' and all of a sudden everything that comes out of your mouth is branded as diatribe or dogma...it's just a framework -- and it happens to be my framework...so I'm not going to stop expressing it because it makes you uncomfortable... if you don't like my world view then either be polite and delete my posts or unsub and start your own list... I'm not here to make your microsound experience warm and fuzzy... those wanting to express their opinions through the critical frameworks of Lacanian, Marxist, Schenkerian, Structuralist, Deleuzian etc. are encouraged to do so freely without intimidation from the vehemently anti-intellectual among us...just ignore them and their trolling posts... oh and I do have a sense a humor - but your 'winky joke' was just not funny on any level! ;) respect, KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 20:43:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40371-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95329 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:42:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 95318 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:42:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:42:48 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sonic Art is /very/ anchored to Wishart's ideas about sound and music (which is, I suppose, good or bad depending...), but the book itself is probably the most in-depth commentary on electroacoustic composition I've ever seen. I suspect you could learn a lot by going back to Xenakis' Formalized Music, but it's a tough read if you're not a math person. - Scott On Sep 27, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Peter Plessas wrote: > Hi, > > both books by Trevor Wishart "Audible Design" and "On Sonic Art" > may be > a starting point. They focus on transformation of (recorded) sound > mainly, and focus a lot on what you might call "gesture" in > electroacoustic composition. > > regards, > > Peter > > * mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> [2006-09-27 09:22]: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and articles >> which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' of >> electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal with >> software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at >> composition techniques which were developed before computers, >> techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of >> gestures. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 14:45:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40370-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18621 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:45:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 18590 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:45:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:45:11 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Homemade Cassette Tape DJ Mixers + Max/MSP PC To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001701c6e3d5$de864b00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: Acbj1d3F1tMiyEhBSfOtBP3pXlhSsQ== X-DCC--Metrics: ss73.shared.server-system.net 1368; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DJ Artyom built this really cool cassette mixer which he controls with MAX. Looks like lots of fun. Homemade Cassette Tape DJ Mixers + Max/MSP PC http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/09/28/homemade-cassette-tape-dj-mixers-ma xmsp-pc/ Make your own DJ gear: http://soundresearch.narod.ru/diy_eng.htm MAX/MSP DJ Stuff: http://soundresearch.narod.ru/maxmspdjstuff_eng.htm Now..., if there are no politics in my patch, can the music it produces be *serious*, eh, no wait..., hey! :-P make some noise, send us the link. Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 10:29:47 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40369-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50028 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:29:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 50001 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:29:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:29:29 +0200 From: Jakob Riis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kvarnen - open call for works In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.2.3 build 4406 English <http://www.ctmdev.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sorry - this one should have gone to the microsound-announce list instead, I apologize for any inconveniences! /J 29/09/06, kl. 11:11 +0200 , skrev Jakob Riis: >Kvarnen - open call for works. > >Kvarnen is an online flash-based soundgrinder http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/ >kvarnen/. > >Until november 15th 2006 Kvarnen is accepting new contributions from >composers, sound- and new media artists. Kvarnen is a project by dansih >sound artist group 'ssshhhhh...'. > >Description of technical detials, and how to participate in the project >can be found here: >http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/kvarnen/kvarneninfoframe.html >Please contact xxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xx if you wan't to contribute. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 09:11:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40368-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94335 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:11:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 94320 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:11:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:11:20 +0200 From: Jakob Riis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Kvarnen - open call for works To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.2.3 build 4406 English <http://www.ctmdev.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kvarnen - open call for works. Kvarnen is an online flash-based soundgrinder http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/ kvarnen/. Until november 15th 2006 Kvarnen is accepting new contributions from composers, sound- and new media artists. Kvarnen is a project by dansih sound artist group 'ssshhhhh...'. Description of technical detials, and how to participate in the project can be found here: http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/kvarnen/kvarneninfoframe.html Please contact xxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xx if you wan't to contribute. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 07:40:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40367-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15507 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:40:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 15471 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:40:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:40:49 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1429AA1.3480%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: AcbjmpTy0zx3IE+NEduBuQARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well this text is also in the booklet of the cd and signed by mr. toral. also read the article about him in the wire. this is for sure mr. torals statement and not some fancy creative thing from the label... ralph. Am 29.9.2006 2:29 Uhr schrieb "Rudy Carrera" unter <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > That is true. I had the same headache when I ran my label some years ago, > and it had disastrous consequences. > > -- > Regards, > > Rudy Carrera > http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ > http://myspace.com/racarrera > > > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> but isn't it also a little odd to believe toral and his label do not >> communicate about such things? afterall this was not a review he had no >> say over but a press release you'd hope he bothered to read before it >> went out.... >> >> maybe not >> >> -d >> >> Johan Nilsson wrote: >>> Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that >>> and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his >>> label says. >>> >>> I personally found the record to be very good. >>> >>> Johan >> -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 00:30:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40366-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58639 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:29:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 58562 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:29:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:29:45 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_l31rbaRiKlwRfooc9Xm/zw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rJ46u6FJDiHrocQRfh3zgsyAZws9QnJSYHxCPKQlL5IWCiXuoC6A6MzIbuPSrfY3ogvHkCschfCAF82gYqgHWzQ+RdrEr38KdYuM21L92Ss0c0DT1ZY3aJwXC8Dvw1ClJB8UG1z+i+dFZfHPFWqD5MgCfrRztnrqr90RW7vLjMo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_l31rbaRiKlwRfooc9Xm/zw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is true. I had the same headache when I ran my label some years ago, and it had disastrous consequences. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > but isn't it also a little odd to believe toral and his label do not > communicate about such things? afterall this was not a review he had no > say over but a press release you'd hope he bothered to read before it > went out.... > > maybe not > > -d > > Johan Nilsson wrote: > > Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that > > and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his > > label says. > > > > I personally found the record to be very good. > > > > Johan > --Boundary_(ID_l31rbaRiKlwRfooc9Xm/zw)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 22:16:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40365-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 800 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:16:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 762 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:16:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:12:08 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAILiG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx but isn't it also a little odd to believe toral and his label do not communicate about such things? afterall this was not a review he had no say over but a press release you'd hope he bothered to read before it went out.... maybe not -d Johan Nilsson wrote: > Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that > and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his > label says. > > I personally found the record to be very good. > > Johan > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> the press info stated - >> >> .. but this sounds like >>> the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and >>> electronics with a single >>> stroke >> >> it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let >> his label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, >> especially when the guy was always good, when he's letting people >> talk his work up to a degree that he will never reach. that's not a >> diss to him, but seriously - how many people are really creating new >> approaches to jazz these days? not many i'd wager, and certainly not >> Mr Toral with this release. >> >> I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me away, >> nor making me that excited to give it a repeated listen (which i am >> as we speak) but it's not terrible. >> >> -d >> >> >> Rudy Carrera wrote: >>> On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded >>>> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >>>> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new >>>> language >>>> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >>>> >>>> -d >>>> >>>> Rudy Carrera wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >>>> >> > oren ambarchi >>>> >> >>>> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >>>> > surprised if >>>> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >>>> > otherwise, >>>> > he's quite brilliant. >>>> > >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>>> >>> I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If >>> that's the >>> case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion >>> hell. Last >>> person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 21:53:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40364-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61732 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:52:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 61526 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:52:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:52:35 -0700 From: Johan Nilsson <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,231,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="941268105:sNHT40005564" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his label says. I personally found the record to be very good. Johan On Sep 28, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Geraghty wrote: > the press info stated - > > .. but this sounds like >> the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and >> electronics with a single >> stroke > > it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let > his label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, > especially when the guy was always good, when he's letting people > talk his work up to a degree that he will never reach. that's not a > diss to him, but seriously - how many people are really creating > new approaches to jazz these days? not many i'd wager, and > certainly not Mr Toral with this release. > > I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me > away, nor making me that excited to give it a repeated listen > (which i am as we speak) but it's not terrible. > > -d > > > Rudy Carrera wrote: >> On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it >>> sounded >>> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >>> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new >>> language >>> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >>> >>> -d >>> >>> Rudy Carrera wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >>> >> > oren ambarchi >>> >> >>> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >>> > surprised if >>> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >>> > otherwise, >>> > he's quite brilliant. >>> > >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If >> that's the >> case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion >> hell. Last >> person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 21:13:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40363-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94338 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:12:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 94305 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:12:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:12:55 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MNI5aPpf7w6M3SLwWBTK2w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WFlaEh4KSu0X7kCZP4fstjrJUJ81Hf7kQkP1+9V3USSuR+vB/itEouCKK4aUCd8DXVGZoqZzSkAFv75fbL0DUNtxGfYfH0M6XP2B9N1WBBOBwEOD2sc1eO65gF1L+XkaabwQx76qtACBrfGSu4cswRszYAk6ZVzeJYA6HcvNRfs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_MNI5aPpf7w6M3SLwWBTK2w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, blandness would be the kiss of death for me. Rudy On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > the press info stated - > > .. but this sounds like > > the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and > > electronics with a single > > stroke > > it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let his > label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, especially when > the guy was always good, when he's letting people talk his work up to a > degree that he will never reach. that's not a diss to him, but seriously - > how many people are really creating new approaches to jazz these days? not > many i'd wager, and certainly not Mr Toral with this release. > > I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me away, nor > making me that excited to give it a repeated listen (which i am as we speak) > but it's not terrible. > > -d > > > Rudy Carrera wrote: > > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> > >> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded > >> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since > >> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language > >> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. > >> > >> -d > >> > >> Rudy Carrera wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of > >> >> > oren ambarchi > >> >> > >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > >> > surprised if > >> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > >> > otherwise, > >> > he's quite brilliant. > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If that's > > the > > case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion hell. > > Last > > person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_MNI5aPpf7w6M3SLwWBTK2w)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 21:09:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40362-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86461 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:08:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 86373 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:08:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:07:43 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAANrVG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the press info stated - ... but this sounds like > the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and > electronics with a single > stroke it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let his label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, especially when the guy was always good, when he's letting people talk his work up to a degree that he will never reach. that's not a diss to him, but seriously - how many people are really creating new approaches to jazz these days? not many i'd wager, and certainly not Mr Toral with this release. I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me away, nor making me that excited to give it a repeated listen (which i am as we speak) but it's not terrible. -d Rudy Carrera wrote: > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded >> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language >> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >> >> -d >> >> Rudy Carrera wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >> >> >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >> >> > oren ambarchi >> >> >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >> > surprised if >> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >> > otherwise, >> > he's quite brilliant. >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If that's > the > case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion hell. > Last > person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 20:16:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40361-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71866 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:15:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 68596 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:14:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:05:14 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAOLJG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx if by either you mean ambarchi and toral, well to this day i've never heard anything by ambarchi i didn't like and i've enjoyed almost everything from toral. I guess they have to fuck up at some point... (and maybe he hasn't....maybe it is a grower...) i'm just left with a feeling that, as i've said previously, this deliberate move to leave the guitar was the first idea and what he was going to do in its absence was a distant second. i'll put it on again now -d Rudy Carrera wrote: > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded >> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language >> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >> >> -d >> >> Rudy Carrera wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >> >> >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >> >> > oren ambarchi >> >> >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >> > surprised if >> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >> > otherwise, >> > he's quite brilliant. >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > Well, I'm of the mind that you can't go wrong with either, for different > reasons. Maybe you're right: it may grow on you. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:54:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40360-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14921 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:53:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 14911 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:53:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:51 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TVzja8mA4Ey40v2ku7ZwGw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZuTYHJUnRd1zndNxywC7xkHwYz61K22/qkHFUvwb1UKgz6w+VZm63l4XQZV9mFp8ObEnw8LbsR25gN/SdoNODjzen92zYPTWGcXXqLZS3M+wqD3R0Y42+eIbcBsMwZWs5SsJ4iAy1auOXhTwSf71gJjJl5qlVy6Wp5XeVCzzUDQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_TVzja8mA4Ey40v2ku7ZwGw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded > like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since > leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language > of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. > > -d > > Rudy Carrera wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> > >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of > >> > oren ambarchi > >> > > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > > surprised if > > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > > otherwise, > > he's quite brilliant. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If that's the case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion hell. Last person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_TVzja8mA4Ey40v2ku7ZwGw)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:47:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40359-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2706 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 2650 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:46:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:46:39 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rzsru3uUyRtUn8+Xmc8MNA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KelwzeMpwn3NP89sQ/wYDX9FRN7+NF8+arGSLmEpSoWuBrjgRhp1n2SJB03aAATCEzoE2OFW8Lsc3SejVsaJ5ni3N7BPmBbpFpKEbnLlC1vA3HqJlAtzMPl6Pt6FTDlU//0cU/2opfChRNmh31X5QCFUnZtu04TBRk7uK3sOWVE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rzsru3uUyRtUn8+Xmc8MNA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded > like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since > leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language > of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. > > -d > > Rudy Carrera wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> > >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of > >> > oren ambarchi > >> > > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > > surprised if > > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > > otherwise, > > he's quite brilliant. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Well, I'm of the mind that you can't go wrong with either, for different reasons. Maybe you're right: it may grow on you. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_rzsru3uUyRtUn8+Xmc8MNA)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:43:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40357-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94756 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 94632 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:42:30 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACrCG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that's what i thought. perhaps repeated listens will change my mind, but so far, gimme 'barchi any day. -d Bill Jarboe wrote: > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> parts sound like a poor imitation of >> oren ambarchi > > > Wow. Maybe I'd like it! > > > > -b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:43:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40358-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94924 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 94719 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:41:30 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACrCG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. -d Rudy Carrera wrote: >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >> > oren ambarchi >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > surprised if > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > otherwise, > he's quite brilliant. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:21:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40356-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57855 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:21:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 57778 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:21:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:20:58 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LQ8vmGrDIFYs8NsTDEUWtg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z/rscxWmGTctJHxDgDj9zbN6hVOk4i+yG3idH9bJxyvndI8BDJcrAHnsHgL9d17ozw9LSAXb4fGkUAg4mNa0LdvsiONJqDongOW6XvR5AznQHT1/UintuMoy0oHiQw0/QJd39xBTG/WpZm3fwiSy85uyUuf2XJWOg7wD4bqvNvE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_LQ8vmGrDIFYs8NsTDEUWtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/28/06, Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > > > parts sound like a poor imitation of > > oren ambarchi > > > Wow. Maybe I'd like it! > > > > -b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be surprised if this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because otherwise, he's quite brilliant. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_LQ8vmGrDIFYs8NsTDEUWtg)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:19:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40355-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54848 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:19:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 54818 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:19:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:19:28 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.159 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eyU2qop4GD/miKZhBLwpyUYQRT8sFvjwRo8hcg4TTCnlGkPx8tSMg4cYIjkCX5W2; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c26094a5d80f929e94f2984ab0f4828379b80350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > parts sound like a poor imitation of > oren ambarchi Wow. Maybe I'd like it! -b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 18:08:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40354-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37699 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:07:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 37680 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:07:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:07:52 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re-Intro To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6E6iPLz8NIpLckozF4ermg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=V1U2mFLI6ykC3USmFFQMsaLaFfBtAHDDe7gN2qhyiKxbwcPWfGw+zSElBAufC75dR6njQqfYnmzUkE0ri1QJRiKCFy/ASZ/HevRawsUuIFU0hfnNwTJg2a/FmLJxocTlmMV8tvCXjEm1l1ObI3e66uplVXZUoQ5M5g7brmwdIbc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6E6iPLz8NIpLckozF4ermg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello List; It's been a while since I've been a member of this list, so I'm saying hello to people I know here, and introducing myself as someone who has a high appreciation for the microsound ethic. It's been interesting to monitor the list from a distance, but I'd like to do what I can to make more contributions here, if possible. -- Regards, Rudy A. Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_6E6iPLz8NIpLckozF4ermg)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 17:31:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40353-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84521 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:30:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 84511 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:30:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:30:54 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] Learning musical instruments in non-Western socieities To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Quite an off-topic post, perhaps, but it relates to my thesis work, which _is_ involved with new ways to make sound... Anyway, I'm interested in books/chapters/papers that explore how people learn musical instruments / music instruction in non-Western societies. My own experience is through structured instruction in the US, and I know that there is a continuum from self-instruction to hyper-structure (like in the Suzuki method). Yet I want to know how this differs when music is embedded in a ritual process, when it is not so separate from regular processes of daily and social life, when it isn't representative of another form of schooling. If there are ethnomusicological texts that touch on these issues, or other online forums that are more appropriate to my question, please let me know. Thanks! nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 16:44:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40352-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21410 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:44:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:44:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:44:11 -0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?44OL44Kz44Op44K544O744Kx44Oz44OI?= <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Such as, what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine Sorry, I have a picture and can't resist http://museum.50megs.com/tokio/t05.html nick kent my online Japanese CD shop - http://technopop.gemm.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 16:08:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40351-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73158 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:08:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 73084 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:08:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] elephapples and applphants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim, The only offense is the total lack of any sense of humor... for example when I put ";-)" at the end of a sentence that means I'm ribbing you. "politics at beast".. haha .. how freudian ;-) ;-) again I'm joking don't proceed to correct me on how this is or isn't freudian.. or in now way related to marx, socialism or stockhausen. I dont' care. wink wink wink Lighten up allready.. seriously if every thread needs to include socialist dogma then retitle the list as "microsocialist" or something like that. Or at least include a warning on the homepage "all ye who enter beware PHD level discussion of Marxism". ;-) <- note the winking. thanks to all who took me up on a discussion of Perl.. I actually got some usefull information out of that.. kudos to those who want to talk about sound... I come here for that and that alone. Here's a track I completed recently.. the title is not meant to be offensive. http://www.xdugef.com/x/audio/upcoming/pussyface.mp3 Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) > > no offense meant in what I am about to say here at all and I intend > full respect: > but it is statements like these that make any debate difficult on > politics at beast without it turning into a hamstrung tutorial that > is then argued every step of the way with inaccurate comparisons and > > partly understood contexts...in other words in order to debate this > intelligently you need much more information... > > placing 'value' does not make one a capitalist any more than looking > > at pastries in a bakery makes you a baker...maybe not a good analogy > > but I'm only on my first cuppa Joe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 15:53:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40350-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54661 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 54647 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:53:02 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] elephapples and applphants To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) no offense meant in what I am about to say here at all and I intend full respect: but it is statements like these that make any debate difficult on politics at beast without it turning into a hamstrung tutorial that is then argued every step of the way with inaccurate comparisons and partly understood contexts...in other words in order to debate this intelligently you need much more information... placing 'value' does not make one a capitalist any more than looking at pastries in a bakery makes you a baker...maybe not a good analogy but I'm only on my first cuppa Joe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 14:54:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40349-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78911 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:54:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 78887 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:54:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:48 +0100 From: Ricardo Guerreiro <xx@xxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Adobe Audition for the Mac To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jXFcduXuPxgFkTfiwtZ3WA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3-0.88.4 X-Virus-Status: Clean (0.00729 seconds) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_jXFcduXuPxgFkTfiwtZ3WA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This is not new but, unfortunately, I still have reasons to sign it: http://www.petitiononline.com/djtobes/petition.html RG --Boundary_(ID_jXFcduXuPxgFkTfiwtZ3WA)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 14:03:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40348-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25278 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:02:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 25268 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:02:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:02:51 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] is there a search engine for MIDI files? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks! On 28-Sep-06, at 4:46 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > kinda depends what kind of files you want (i imagine > you're not into karaoke (but correct me if i'm wrong)) > > http://www.musicrobot.com/ > http://www.midisite.co.uk/ > http://www.manythings.org/midi/search.html > http://www.vanbasco.com/midisearch.html > http://www.midi.com/ > > p.s i checked and adorno said this post was OK. > > cheers > -d > > --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> ? >> >> g. >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 12:18:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40347-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37258 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:17:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 37238 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:17:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? 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Diatribes, commentary, liner notes, reviews, are obsolete. I enjoy the new Toral, it's not groundbreaking however. I just find his work listenable, intriguing, and it matches my couch. P! Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:42:52 +0200 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Message-ID: <C14181DC.343C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> very well said. exactly my thoughts as well. thank you for this, ralph. ps: by the way i even think i would like the album better if he wouldn't have said or written anything to it, but just would have left it as his next step or next release... Am 28.9.2006 12:38 Uhr schrieb "David Geraghty" unter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > it almost sounds to me like he was forcing himself to > avoid the guitar for no other reason that he thought > it was passe now. parts sound like a poor imitation of > oren ambarchi and i can't really see where three years > of work went in making this. >=20 > his previous records have been far superior and i > can't help but thinking he's trying to convince us > this is something new and amazing because he needs to > convince himself. >=20 > -d > --- steinbr=FCchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >=20 >> hi peter >> here's the accompayning press blah from the >> staubgold website and in the >> booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. >> when i read the text and >> then listen to the music i just don't think he was >> or is successful in what >> his aims are. the album is nice and has some >> interesting sounds, but it's >> not at all a new approach to anything. i even think >> it's less interesting >> and complex then his previous work. --------------------------------- How low will we go? 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Thu Sep 28 11:43:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40346-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12487 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:42:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 12464 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:42:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:42:52 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C14181DC.343C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: Acbi8zrqeZgX7E7mEdudUwARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx very well said. exactly my thoughts as well. thank you for this, ralph. ps: by the way i even think i would like the album better if he wouldn't have said or written anything to it, but just would have left it as his next step or next release... Am 28.9.2006 12:38 Uhr schrieb "David Geraghty" unter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > it almost sounds to me like he was forcing himself to > avoid the guitar for no other reason that he thought > it was passe now. parts sound like a poor imitation of > oren ambarchi and i can't really see where three years > of work went in making this. > > his previous records have been far superior and i > can't help but thinking he's trying to convince us > this is something new and amazing because he needs to > convince himself. > > -d > --- steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> hi peter >> here's the accompayning press blah from the >> staubgold website and in the >> booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. >> when i read the text and >> then listen to the music i just don't think he was >> or is successful in what >> his aims are. the album is nice and has some >> interesting sounds, but it's >> not at all a new approach to anything. i even think >> it's less interesting >> and complex then his previous work. >> >> especially the part in the text where it's stating >> .".. but this sounds like >> the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and >> electronics with a single >> stroke". >> >> sure it's the combination of electronic abstract >> gliding tones and some >> trumpet or similar (probably by sei miguel) over it, >> but "new approach with >> a single stroke" just sounds like a joke to me. >> >> maybe my expectations where or are to high, but for >> a release with a press >> text stating all these things (3 years research, >> blabla...) it's just by far >> not good (or new) enough. >> >> best to all, >> ralph. >> >> -- >> >> "Space", the new album by Rafael Toral, marks a >> radical change in his music >> after 15+ years of accomplished work on guitar and >> electronics. "The future >> perspectives of my former approach to music were >> threatening to become a >> comfortable, formulaic 'modus operandi'. It would be >> against my nature to >> accept such a development, so I serenely decided to >> terminate it." >> >> It took him three years to find his way into a >> complete renovation of his >> music: "For a new endeavor I needed new information, >> and I discovered that >> the field of knowledge in music that I had most to >> learn from was jazz. >> There is a long line of connections and fusions >> between jazz and electronic >> music, and I envisioned that a step beyond would not >> be more jazz with >> electronics, but on electronics." It may sound >> exaggerated, but this sounds >> like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz >> and electronics with a >> single stroke. >> >> In his emerging new conception of electronic music, >> Toral looks to the value >> of human performance while sharing values from jazz >> culture. His playing is >> "articulated with a kind of individual decision, a >> sense of phrasing and a >> sensibility to rhythm and form that have little in >> common with the types of >> electronic music we know". Quoting Sei Miguel, he >> says it's "not composed, >> not improvised, and not a compromise between the >> two". >> >> In recent years, Rafael Toral has been developing >> and performing solo >> concerts on his instruments (modified or >> custom-built electronic devices) in >> a field of work he calls the "Space program". He >> slowly merged hours of live >> and studio recordings into "Space" (the program's >> first release), which is >> no less than a full orchestra of such instruments. >> The result suggests that >> the expression "space-jazz" was invented before the >> music it would describe >> best. >> >> The "Space program" is a vast and ambitious >> undertaking, featuring two >> parallel series of record releases: "Space Elements" >> - centering each volume >> on a certain instrument, while adding few others and >> featuring >> collaborations; and the "Solo Series" - documenting >> solo performance on >> various instruments. The album "Space" belongs to >> none of the series. It is >> the "Space program's" fundamental release. >> >> -- >> >> Am 28.9.2006 11:44 Uhr schrieb "p jørgensen" unter >> <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: >> >>> please explain, ralph. >>> >>> /peter >>> >>> Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrüchel: >>> >>>>> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael >> Toral's new lp. He's moved >>>>> on to >>>>> making his own hardware I think. >>>> >>>> i was very disappointed with this new release by >> raphael toral. >>>> especially >>>> after reading the contents of the booklet and his >> aim towards music. >>>> check >>>> also the interview/article on him in the new >> issue of the wire... >>>> >>>> ralph >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> -- >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 10:38:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40345-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75016 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:38:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 74992 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:38:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:38:22 +0100 (BST) From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <C1416B2F.3431%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Um0M24WolqWQwvEsgLoaDmFnUNzlcCIgXY9YPGNX43hHVhd5XEbeIh1Q4CbWEAevyZyii64YlQTdUlQM3oY4YhJ6YYLnh9R0Q6OjuQ6SVTH1cGEomTjTlHduYh4l3zZd4Y1gxME/+p82PKvw/TT9TFHSABqeebhvZ9Ihy7RAUwQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it almost sounds to me like he was forcing himself to avoid the guitar for no other reason that he thought it was passe now. parts sound like a poor imitation of oren ambarchi and i can't really see where three years of work went in making this. his previous records have been far superior and i can't help but thinking he's trying to convince us this is something new and amazing because he needs to convince himself. -d --- steinbrüchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > hi peter > here's the accompayning press blah from the > staubgold website and in the > booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. > when i read the text and > then listen to the music i just don't think he was > or is successful in what > his aims are. the album is nice and has some > interesting sounds, but it's > not at all a new approach to anything. i even think > it's less interesting > and complex then his previous work. > > especially the part in the text where it's stating > .".. but this sounds like > the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and > electronics with a single > stroke". > > sure it's the combination of electronic abstract > gliding tones and some > trumpet or similar (probably by sei miguel) over it, > but "new approach with > a single stroke" just sounds like a joke to me. > > maybe my expectations where or are to high, but for > a release with a press > text stating all these things (3 years research, > blabla...) it's just by far > not good (or new) enough. > > best to all, > ralph. > > -- > > "Space", the new album by Rafael Toral, marks a > radical change in his music > after 15+ years of accomplished work on guitar and > electronics. "The future > perspectives of my former approach to music were > threatening to become a > comfortable, formulaic 'modus operandi'. It would be > against my nature to > accept such a development, so I serenely decided to > terminate it." > > It took him three years to find his way into a > complete renovation of his > music: "For a new endeavor I needed new information, > and I discovered that > the field of knowledge in music that I had most to > learn from was jazz. > There is a long line of connections and fusions > between jazz and electronic > music, and I envisioned that a step beyond would not > be more jazz with > electronics, but on electronics." It may sound > exaggerated, but this sounds > like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz > and electronics with a > single stroke. > > In his emerging new conception of electronic music, > Toral looks to the value > of human performance while sharing values from jazz > culture. His playing is > "articulated with a kind of individual decision, a > sense of phrasing and a > sensibility to rhythm and form that have little in > common with the types of > electronic music we know". Quoting Sei Miguel, he > says it's "not composed, > not improvised, and not a compromise between the > two". > > In recent years, Rafael Toral has been developing > and performing solo > concerts on his instruments (modified or > custom-built electronic devices) in > a field of work he calls the "Space program". He > slowly merged hours of live > and studio recordings into "Space" (the program's > first release), which is > no less than a full orchestra of such instruments. > The result suggests that > the expression "space-jazz" was invented before the > music it would describe > best. > > The "Space program" is a vast and ambitious > undertaking, featuring two > parallel series of record releases: "Space Elements" > - centering each volume > on a certain instrument, while adding few others and > featuring > collaborations; and the "Solo Series" - documenting > solo performance on > various instruments. The album "Space" belongs to > none of the series. It is > the "Space program's" fundamental release. > > -- > > Am 28.9.2006 11:44 Uhr schrieb "p jørgensen" unter > <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > > > please explain, ralph. > > > > /peter > > > > Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrüchel: > > > >>> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael > Toral's new lp. He's moved > >>> on to > >>> making his own hardware I think. > >> > >> i was very disappointed with this new release by > raphael toral. > >> especially > >> after reading the contents of the booklet and his > aim towards music. > >> check > >> also the interview/article on him in the new > issue of the wire... > >> > >> ralph > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 10:12:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40344-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57974 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:12:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 57963 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:12:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:13:55 +0200 From: Imoteon <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] fennesz linkous In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx To my knowledge, the two live they've done (there were only two, weren't there ?) has not been released as CD. I remember seeing some non-official recording over the net, but the sound were pretty bad - you'd hear as much Fennesz and Linkous as people talking and coughing. Well. Pirate live recordings... I think with a bit of searching you should find them anyway if your interested. Julien. Le 28 sept. 06 à 11:49, p jørgensen a écrit : > sorry in advance to anyone who finds this question to be off topic. > seems kinda hard to please everyone these days... > > does anyone know if (live)recordings of the collaboration between > christian fennesz and mark linkous aka sparklehorse exists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 10:06:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40343-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52021 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:06:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 52005 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:06:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:06:07 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1416B2F.3431%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: Acbi5bbd9WvyeU7YEdudUwARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi peter here's the accompayning press blah from the staubgold website and in the booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. when i read the text and then listen to the music i just don't think he was or is successful in what his aims are. the album is nice and has some interesting sounds, but it's not at all a new approach to anything. i even think it's less interesting and complex then his previous work. especially the part in the text where it's stating .".. but this sounds like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and electronics with a single stroke". sure it's the combination of electronic abstract gliding tones and some trumpet or similar (probably by sei miguel) over it, but "new approach with a single stroke" just sounds like a joke to me. maybe my expectations where or are to high, but for a release with a press text stating all these things (3 years research, blabla...) it's just by far not good (or new) enough. best to all, ralph. -- "Space", the new album by Rafael Toral, marks a radical change in his music after 15+ years of accomplished work on guitar and electronics. "The future perspectives of my former approach to music were threatening to become a comfortable, formulaic 'modus operandi'. It would be against my nature to accept such a development, so I serenely decided to terminate it." It took him three years to find his way into a complete renovation of his music: "For a new endeavor I needed new information, and I discovered that the field of knowledge in music that I had most to learn from was jazz. There is a long line of connections and fusions between jazz and electronic music, and I envisioned that a step beyond would not be more jazz with electronics, but on electronics." It may sound exaggerated, but this sounds like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and electronics with a single stroke. In his emerging new conception of electronic music, Toral looks to the value of human performance while sharing values from jazz culture. His playing is "articulated with a kind of individual decision, a sense of phrasing and a sensibility to rhythm and form that have little in common with the types of electronic music we know". Quoting Sei Miguel, he says it's "not composed, not improvised, and not a compromise between the two". In recent years, Rafael Toral has been developing and performing solo concerts on his instruments (modified or custom-built electronic devices) in a field of work he calls the "Space program". He slowly merged hours of live and studio recordings into "Space" (the program's first release), which is no less than a full orchestra of such instruments. The result suggests that the expression "space-jazz" was invented before the music it would describe best. The "Space program" is a vast and ambitious undertaking, featuring two parallel series of record releases: "Space Elements" - centering each volume on a certain instrument, while adding few others and featuring collaborations; and the "Solo Series" - documenting solo performance on various instruments. The album "Space" belongs to none of the series. It is the "Space program's" fundamental release. -- Am 28.9.2006 11:44 Uhr schrieb "p jørgensen" unter <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > please explain, ralph. > > /peter > > Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrüchel: > >>> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved >>> on to >>> making his own hardware I think. >> >> i was very disappointed with this new release by raphael toral. >> especially >> after reading the contents of the booklet and his aim towards music. >> check >> also the interview/article on him in the new issue of the wire... >> >> ralph >> >> -- >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 09:48:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40341-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40955 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 40921 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:49:08 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_j=F8rgensen?= <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] fennesz linkous In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx sorry in advance to anyone who finds this question to be off topic. seems kinda hard to please everyone these days... does anyone know if (live)recordings of the collaboration between christian fennesz and mark linkous aka sparklehorse exists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 09:49:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40342-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40960 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 40920 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:44:41 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_j=F8rgensen?= <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <C1405792.33E3%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1405792.33E3%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx please explain, ralph. /peter Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrüchel: >> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved >> on to >> making his own hardware I think. > > i was very disappointed with this new release by raphael toral. > especially > after reading the contents of the booklet and his aim towards music. > check > also the interview/article on him in the new issue of the wire... > > ralph > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 08:47:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40340-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80330 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 80316 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:46:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:46:55 +0100 (BST) From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] is there a search engine for MIDI files? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d48JdBnnzs9lyXeLLDLpq7pAjXdnG8o83F5KylrusiSwtPmcCGu1ZlsowmNIWQk/RBOhP/KTKqUnfNJIlqwfO0BbtdvRndBAY0Z+bxIdGg/17qduVhYel19qNfLJ5osANL6YYmJRD7qEhpdQWDXSdIMQnwKVwlM3rNlWN0SzeMM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx kinda depends what kind of files you want (i imagine you're not into karaoke (but correct me if i'm wrong)) http://www.musicrobot.com/ http://www.midisite.co.uk/ http://www.manythings.org/midi/search.html http://www.vanbasco.com/midisearch.html http://www.midi.com/ p.s i checked and adorno said this post was OK. cheers -d --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > ? > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 04:57:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40339-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29735 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:57:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 29725 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:57:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:57:10 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] is there a search engine for MIDI files? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ? g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 00:32:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40338-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34888 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:32:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 34813 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:32:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:32:13 +0200 From: rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unsubscribe To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GmnqKYeQX3BLpl4TrOKp2w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=a+LPtPsYSBWEBes+y3N5H3fIul8JkcDEYAWTa2tUFApqbK+0brIeZb6bo0yNrqzpnC/a6ZWO0g+JQp7YjiEsQ1n8N7PTrifzSlzZNPiYc+Deg5uEoB6yCLK9SrBSkZDS2j4j2is7bSXe4SMFFNevamkqW8GNK2GMuhYuliz8n2k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GmnqKYeQX3BLpl4TrOKp2w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think i am going to do that now, rinus On 9/28/06, Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > i think i'm going to do that soon too > > > carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Wed Sep 27 23:45:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40337-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17472 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:45:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 17461 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:45:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unsuscribe In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jmcsGP5IaCRPK1F5nKnpMA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LFCvlZC/sRSXioI/uKiYWALSbhNTa5zo8TC6KbpyN82G37QNcWUMqQBkU2L7sJWSBPtndx/PKMOQUN4iAyT4DYSUzre0VbhuFh/OR5AmA7JUT1pSEtAseXweyobv9uW4YcQZO3YU9XWL+nPM8Dc4VxqESgbLPN6QdMXI/Xq6i/0= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_jmcsGP5IaCRPK1F5nKnpMA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops, i meant to just send that to carl. hahahhaha no offense. carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 23:44:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40336-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16459 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 16443 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unsuscribe In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+SQJS/ZtXr0+YSNaAxlbLA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m0dIzdVhY0ccbdjj3xUD4vZRg9ghp2jCI4qZNFtwBEMoebOmGLxJL7XCFUMpRuYoHcJpQkmxj45f6LkXs0C7eTedtV/xr1em+tsYIjHGsclG5JFhhZ037FpjjETVax0agsn8JOWsvt2x/wyFqNVqCWYs42XSJLROq8Whr/vW6TM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_+SQJS/ZtXr0+YSNaAxlbLA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think i'm going to do that soon too carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 23:44:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40335-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15304 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 15292 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] unsuscribe In-reply-to: <004101c6e25b$89853e70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d548ioDmvJmdvMceH2F8oAFaPKLV+Xf7duDggI70ietczJXy9EfZhn19GWrsRtZbm3iAKamGZ/K+S/XtLfIa1+LZsYOr68TY6P2aBuzzyqT0GelBAolgNn+Kou+PtwcxtdKDLExT3DAtLSt41u2JJaqb5C6YfPbBivP3tnDVC9A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 22:06:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40334-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79736 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:06:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 79715 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:06:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Being that I live in the US I have a hard time imaging that even if there was better distribution of wealth via socialism or any other ism that artists would benefit significantly without assuming that there would simply be more funding or grants for artists. The internet for example has made it possible for sound artists and musicians to get more exposure to a global audience but we are still along way from taking down the record labels and actually selling music online is still difficult. I just don't see that changing. I can sort of understand the concept of socialism when it comes to big business and the workers but when it comes to everyday artists I don't see it.. I mean I guess if you are represented by a gallery then perhaps but how many artists are???.. it all sounds very wishfull and iffy. But to get back onto the track I wanted to talk about is that it's hard to convey specific meaning in (abstract art) or music that is abstract (absent of lyrics or vocals). If I wrote volumes about how my music is a reaction to the Gulf War.. the audience would have to read that to really get it. Adrian BTW replying to all sends me two emails ;-) --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > This certainly does not disconnect the concept of money from the > term > > "value". > > > > Socialists are not against money, money is a useful technology. It is > a rational advance over barter, allowing for much more efficient > exchanges. I'm not sure where the idea that socialism is against > money > comes from. > > I have known anarchists who were against money. I almost got in > trouble for paying the musicians who performed a piece of mine, which > we presented in a space run by anarchists. I had to sneak everyone > around the corner to give them their money (which was sadly only > enough to cover beer and gasoline). This happened to be my first > piece > using live electronics (some of the sounds were microsound related) > combined with live acoustic improvisers, and it went really well. > > ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:48:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40333-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71793 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:48:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 71783 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:48:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:48:32 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZjgL2LD1jHYJcJFcWltmxun9O3hNe+nkeRVRJT+6Bo7n4mi7LZymeszhuMXdq2GzGJflIBX+eO+FWfNAMrg/zlZ/vdH62FhTX9AMnslOFKoT1f2Jdnzktw/x5GeADd8NFAB3L5yylcKyr6c7D0iff4FhQk3dAtOIjP5ilPyQpv8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > This certainly does not disconnect the concept of money from the term > "value". > Socialists are not against money, money is a useful technology. It is a rational advance over barter, allowing for much more efficient exchanges. I'm not sure where the idea that socialism is against money comes from. I have known anarchists who were against money. I almost got in trouble for paying the musicians who performed a piece of mine, which we presented in a space run by anarchists. I had to sneak everyone around the corner to give them their money (which was sadly only enough to cover beer and gasoline). This happened to be my first piece using live electronics (some of the sounds were microsound related) combined with live acoustic improvisers, and it went really well. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:32:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40332-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64100 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:32:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 64079 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:32:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > So, under socialism, artists should receive MORE of the value of > their > work not less. This wouldn't apply, of course, to the absurd prices > which collectors pay for luxury works, but rather to the work done by > more ordinary artists. > > ~D This certainly does not disconnect the concept of money from the term "value". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:27:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40331-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60816 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:27:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 60773 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:27:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's his own fault for not elaborating on exactly what type of "value" he meant. ;-) Just as it was my own fault for not specifying that I was referring to "style" in microsound and not folkmusic. AD --- Owen Green <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Xdugef wrote: > > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) > > If you limit 'value' to mean 'money' :) > > -- > Owen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:22:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40330-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57907 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:21:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 57892 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:21:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Uh well like I said before I'm not really sure where this has gone or is taking us but if you see an old oak tree.. you very well may recognize when put aside pictures of other oak tries. Whereas you take plane ride and then later ride on another plane of the same make and model, do you think you would recognize wether or not it is the exact same plane you were on before by simply looking at the engine? Adrian --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Beauty in Nature is chaos, but mass amounts of unorganized > information > always tends to organize itself in a systematic manner. Hence a tree > > always looking like a tree, or a snowflake always looking like a > snowflake. They may not be identical, but you know an oak from a > palm, > just as you would know a Jet engine from a lawnmower engine. > > aLEKs > > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Xdugef wrote: > > > Okay I don't know where this is going but the other difference is > that > > even though there are identifiable features of specific type sof > > trees.. no two trees are visually the same whereas jets engines are > > more or less the same except on some minute level. > > > > Beauty in nature is chaos whereas the beauty in manufacturing is in > the > > replication of form ..consider the influence Andy Warhol's Soup Can > has > > had on art and the source of it's inspiration. > > > > Adrian > > > > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >>> Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of > >> intense > >>> detail created by nature and the other is about the intense > detail > >> of > >>> something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a > >> better > >>> example but... > >>> > >>> Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be > >>> something equivalent in music. > >>> > >>> Adrian > >> > >> If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also > natural. > >> They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. > >> They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the > >> physical > >> world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are > >> also > >> natural but different). > >> > >> More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural > >> world, > >> it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I > >> hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its > form. > >> Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. > >> > >> ~David > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:18:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40329-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55634 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:18:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 55619 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:18:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:18:00 +0100 From: Owen Green <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote: > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) If you limit 'value' to mean 'money' :) -- Owen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:58:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40328-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48372 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:57:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 48359 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:57:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:57:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, aleks vasic wrote: > Beauty in Nature is chaos, but mass amounts of unorganized information always > tends to organize itself in a systematic manner. Hence a tree always looking > like a tree, or a snowflake always looking like a snowflake. They may not be > identical, but you know an oak from a palm, just as you would know a Jet > engine from a lawnmower engine. How are trees and snowflakes composed of unorganized masses? It seems likely that any observed disorder in the case of a tree is superficial and due to a lack of order finding faculties, that each leaf is symptomatic of organization. The axiom of choice seems always borne out, even if the choice function is without apparent sense, or inaccessible. Just how are unorganised masses supposed to come about to be organised when there is, if not a prime mover, a before-this mover? -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:47:16 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40327-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43199 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 43182 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: scott nobles <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CZzKJ9je4H+76Bq0Af8e+L34mcwkQRjDbKD7GhJGH+lGI9FKqLOs8ww3C0mDIOMcAC88X94gbEPmtjY6B3Bki2EE7+TjcejklLkQgxdAsmFDWxcm48w9BJuy56xnWX5bX4CIHbCsqk3zqmOqmTMoFHcvccg//HbtGQFN46yoKhs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > --- alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. > > Yea I've heard of Supercollider but unfortunately > I'm decidely PC only, As far as I know there is a functional build of Supercollider for PC, called Psycollider. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54622 There has been a concerted effort to not only port Supercollider to PC, but to make code written in SC truly cross-platform. I am a long-time user of Supercollider on Mac, haven't tried it on Linux or Win, but there are people out there using it. The announcement of the most recent major PC revision: http://www.nabble.com/New-Psycollider---heiss---fettig-tf2141352.html#a5910452 Check the Supercollider User List Archive if you're interested: http://www.nabble.com/Supercollider---User-f535.html OR: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/pipermail/sc-users/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:09:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40326-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26624 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:09:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 26606 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:09:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:10 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Beauty in Nature is chaos, but mass amounts of unorganized information always tends to organize itself in a systematic manner. Hence a tree always looking like a tree, or a snowflake always looking like a snowflake. They may not be identical, but you know an oak from a palm, just as you would know a Jet engine from a lawnmower engine. aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Xdugef wrote: > Okay I don't know where this is going but the other difference is that > even though there are identifiable features of specific type sof > trees.. no two trees are visually the same whereas jets engines are > more or less the same except on some minute level. > > Beauty in nature is chaos whereas the beauty in manufacturing is in the > replication of form ..consider the influence Andy Warhol's Soup Can has > had on art and the source of it's inspiration. > > Adrian > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of >> intense >>> detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail >> of >>> something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a >> better >>> example but... >>> >>> Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be >>> something equivalent in music. >>> >>> Adrian >> >> If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also natural. >> They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. >> They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the >> physical >> world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are >> also >> natural but different). >> >> More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural >> world, >> it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I >> hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its form. >> Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. >> >> ~David >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:08:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40325-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25029 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:07:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 25016 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:07:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:07:45 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JL7jkMBqe6iXvMWzsCJnAkl/4bYwn0NU0oNewKDR2QBu+XoUmcqYvvmphtC/aLVuMNjq2ULMUbhmebeaZWvmQ5yozaN6gx6FWgmq0EJcpK/RMDWSzD9KyK6YuC8fbA9ur7rnQZKg/7GXbZnAsd9EM9vwgTMOLf/QfCl2372lg3M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > But I'm not the one that brought him up in the first place in reference > to socialism. > > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) > No, placing a value on art does not in any sense make one a capitalist. Socialism revolves around who owns the means of production. In fact, Marxism says that workers are the source of value, and that under capitalism, they do not receive a portion of it, called surplus value, which instead goes to the capitalists as profit. So, under socialism, artists should receive MORE of the value of their work not less. This wouldn't apply, of course, to the absurd prices which collectors pay for luxury works, but rather to the work done by more ordinary artists. ~D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:36:47 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40324-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3067 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:36:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 3055 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:36:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay I don't know where this is going but the other difference is that even though there are identifiable features of specific type sof trees.. no two trees are visually the same whereas jets engines are more or less the same except on some minute level. Beauty in nature is chaos whereas the beauty in manufacturing is in the replication of form ..consider the influence Andy Warhol's Soup Can has had on art and the source of it's inspiration. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of > intense > > detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail > of > > something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a > better > > example but... > > > > Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be > > something equivalent in music. > > > > Adrian > > If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also natural. > They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. > They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the > physical > world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are > also > natural but different). > > More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural > world, > it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I > hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its form. > Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. > > ~David > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:28:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40323-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96645 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 96575 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > an analysis of LeWitt's work can be framed in any discipline: > Marxist, Lacanian, Freudian, Post-Structuralist, Phenomenologism, > etc. > in other words: it isn't the physical properties of his work which > relates to Marxism, but how one engages with the work and assigns > value to it... You could say that about anything and knowing you.. you would. But I'm not the one that brought him up in the first place in reference to socialism. Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:28:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40322-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96204 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 96191 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:27:43 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MvNYko/58C69tHFbUuP2Inf59+8VxW6avpIilcRYXjnfb/3O4kKJjMh0TI3sHE2i8UClIAMn1eSU3Mascdz9eB9u0+m61JYqJPaBVWELhMGfa9CUTdSlMKZGd39DVFSFd+IrE7X372F+GJ/WinIwL4tHf+jC/yxuf/x8OFwxPDA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of intense > detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail of > something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a better > example but... > > Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be > something equivalent in music. > > Adrian If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also natural. They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the physical world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are also natural but different). More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural world, it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its form. Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:17:03 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40321-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89808 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:16:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 89794 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:16:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of intense detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail of something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a better example but... Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be something equivalent in music. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On the other hand, it just struck me that there is often a strange > beauty to functional objects. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the > engine must harness the forces of nature, and thus in some sense is a > part of nature. Can a jet engine be beautiful, in the way a tree is > beautiful? > > ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:13:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40320-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87142 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:13:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 87125 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:13:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:12:55 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] apples and elephants To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rsSFyPDH7bk+SsOxnQazQA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rsSFyPDH7bk+SsOxnQazQA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I like Sol LeWitt's work but looking at it the first thing that comes > to mind is not Socialism.. that's for sure. But I guess the concept of > idealised unity does.. one can allways dream. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0425/is_4_61/ai_96134618 > What is left out now, as it was in the 1970s, is any discussion or > even recognition of why such interpretative projections onto > abstract forms were and are convincingly made for and by a given > audience at any given time. an analysis of LeWitt's work can be framed in any discipline: Marxist, Lacanian, Freudian, Post-Structuralist, Phenomenologism, etc. in other words: it isn't the physical properties of his work which relates to Marxism, but how one engages with the work and assigns value to it... --Boundary_(ID_rsSFyPDH7bk+SsOxnQazQA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:09:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40319-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84140 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:09:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 84130 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:09:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:09:32 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K3LHGV1GPpGAxdrWU4O6eEzn7tXx0QlyE+lFC/UHCxXe+RKWz5knrRtPwBHaeSBtqiuUFJIF6E8AbIneqlqvP18CBR2iHM6mkvluvgoNRYUQ4XQMNlfDfMnRQkVvH4Dx4vppG+hoOxFRDEHsZ6UXEXHePQ3xjmRxT9CYOH+Tpt0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I am not saying that the process is more important than the end result > but that doesn't mean that experimentation is invalid. > > I could have for example purchased or maybe even gotten for free a VST > plugin that more or less does what I wrote in Perl. .... > Obviously artists do not need to make every tool they use but > personally I like to evaluate a process myself. In my working life I > have found it far more usefull to try things myself if possible rather > than to just take someone's word for it. > > Adrian Ultimately, these are decisions that YOU as an artist have to make. Only you can decide what your artistic goals are, and if your methods are adequate to the goals. Right now, I'm working on a setup where I have Pure Data running custom generative stuff, that reacts based on what I play on the keyboard. Ironically, PD is pumping MIDI data into Ableton, which is acting as a host for VST's. It works great, and using Ableton as a host lets me set up the instruments, pan them, and add a little reverb, in about ten minutes. This lets me spend all my time developing the PD side which is doing everything interesting. My point is, that PD would allow me to not use proprietary software like Ableton, and to create everything within PD. However, I've come to realize that I HATE doing hardcore dsp in PD; though I'm fine doing some fairly simple types of glitches, granular synthesis, and basic traditional additive, subtractive and FM stuff. But I have no desire to program my own reverbs, filters, compressors, and tube simulators. Using VST's is fine with me! (I can actually use VST's in PD on winXP, by the way). Others, however, enjoy doing it all in PD, and if it works for them, I think that's great. My own philosophy is to use DIY where things don't exist, but to use whatever tools are available, such as VST's and commercial hosts, to focus my development time on the aspects of the project that really matter. By plugging PD into Ableton, I get something that is far more powerful than what Ableton could do on its own. I'm not using any loops, or even tempos in Ableton, just using it as a host and glorified mixing board. When I get a spare $100, I will actually be switching to Plogue Bidule or Audiomulch as my host; Ableton is just what I have that does the job well, and simply. Anyway, if you enjoy the challenge of Perl, and you like the results, I say go for it. But I'd also say, don't be afraid to switch processes, if writing in Perl ever starts to hinder you from reaching your artistic goals... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:05:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40318-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81021 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:05:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 81002 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:05:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:05:16 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 27-Sep-06, at 2:15 PM, aleks vasic wrote: > Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such > as, what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed > primarily for function/performance. didn't harley davidson try and trademark the 'sound' of their engine? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:42:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40317-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62991 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:41:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 62952 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:41:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I feel an "ism" coming on. I am not saying that the process is more important than the end result but that doesn't mean that experimentation is invalid. I could have for example purchased or maybe even gotten for free a VST plugin that more or less does what I wrote in Perl. Pragmatically you could say that it works and it does what it was designed to do and if your subjectivity leans that way then yes it's aesthetically interesting. Yet somehow that leaves a completely hollow space inside me. Obviously artists do not need to make every tool they use but personally I like to evaluate a process myself. In my working life I have found it far more usefull to try things myself if possible rather than to just take someone's word for it. Adrian --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such > as, > what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed > primarily > for function/performance. Its a tool. But there is an aesthetic in > the end result that is appreciated by many, rightfully so i guess. > Many people would consider the entire process art, just as much as > the > end result... Something similiar would be architecture. It is art. > It > is judged on its aesthetic, but first and foremost is its > functionality. Does it do what it is supposed to do and does it do > it > well? > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of > > process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". > > > > But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, > as > > being more important than what results from a process. A process, > in > > my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a > > useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including > > artworks that are aesthetically interesting. > > > > ~David > > > On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the > >> process as much as the end result, if not more. > >> > >> What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley > >> Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? > >> > >> Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has > some > >> great examples of this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:39:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40316-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59977 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:39:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 59962 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:39:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:39:10 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HGO9EAEF3CLJEizxYQr6hthFB0ttb6iIM9jce2U/H2EJMmNepGusP8qqRLt1gwCMaFwPRJKpZC1Gsyzk6efmAOxp6OTyCYEJIotuN3NqoC4G1KdsEPanl9ITcgnK6GUmJKH/3Iknx8SaJMdtNX7W44oz3CXypGvIFYxL3a+Uu3c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ah the old "what is art" question. My friend and I came upon a working definition of art last night, while we were painting the floor of his loft space/gallery: Art is something you get grant money for, that makes people feel sophisticated while they stand around sipping wine and BSing at the show opening... ;-) Seriously though, perhaps the whole confusion arises from the fact that every discipline has its own problems. It can be misleading to talk about Art sometimes, when there are significant differences between different art forms. For instance, In architecture, function will be much more important than in painting. Dance music has to function, in a way that music for a seated concert audience does not. We can't decide in advance, whether something is able to be art or not based on its function. I think there are pieces of dance music and architecture that rise to the level of art. However, I think we can all agree that the condos outside where I work are really ugly, and not art at all (not to mention the function they play in gentrifying the community). As far as jet engines, if someone says that the jet engine they built is a work of art more than a functional engine, I'd rather not fly in that plane... On the other hand, it just struck me that there is often a strange beauty to functional objects. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the engine must harness the forces of nature, and thus in some sense is a part of nature. Can a jet engine be beautiful, in the way a tree is beautiful? ~David On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such as, > what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed primarily > for function/performance. Its a tool. But there is an aesthetic in > the end result that is appreciated by many, rightfully so i guess. > Many people would consider the entire process art, just as much as the > end result... Something similiar would be architecture. It is art. It > is judged on its aesthetic, but first and foremost is its > functionality. Does it do what it is supposed to do and does it do it > well? > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of > > process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". > > > > But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, as > > being more important than what results from a process. A process, in > > my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a > > useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including > > artworks that are aesthetically interesting. > > > > ~David > > > On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the > >> process as much as the end result, if not more. > >> > >> What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley > >> Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? > >> > >> Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some > >> great examples of this. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:23:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40315-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45773 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:23:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 45763 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:23:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:23:15 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LAUY5G8z8rkXQWknmiMDzgJSj25a8gPiDJQ7yX2E07LYxfzDphRTpjSaCOoMpphulIJ1bVYBnHDP/n4OCFhO8fjI8hrJkJKZ/cYbZPFSEcsqS5D0eO5Ywhc2rXts4bdrie1qdOyW1GsOV+1Zd/mHTmx2kyKcifhVDQwAOvrHL1E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One could argue that one of Adorno's greatest weaknesses, was his over-reliance on Freud. His critique of "primitive" and rhythmic music, seem based on an idea that these things reflect an "ego-regression" and return to infantilism. He was particularly concerned that such regressions leave individuals open to fascism, and authoritarian politics. Much of his work seeks to understand how and why the barbarism of the Nazi regime occurred. On the matter of rhythm, and the idea that it promotes some sort of ego regression, I don't think it would be too hard to critique Adorno in these matters. Not to mention the serious questions I'd have about the validity of some of the underlying Freudian concepts. On the other hand, his general observations on mass production of culture, its banal form, and the ideological function it has, is often quite on the mark. Many of his ideas seem entirely relevant in the age of the Backstreet Boys and Brittany Spears, etc etc. ~David On 9/27/06, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I know I just scoffed at him in a previous email, but Adorno is an > important critic of Capitalism's (oh no, an ism!) effect on music, > which makes a lot of sense if you just watch MTV or listen to any of > the five or six identical stations on your FM radio. > > But, he was quite the Classical music snob, so I doubt that he'd > appreciate much microsound, or loop-based music at all! However, this > hatred of "commodified music," of which most microsound (especially if > on a netlabel) is arguably spared the title, does stem from his > Marxian beliefs. > > ~Kyle > > On 9/27/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > > > relate to > > > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:16:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40314-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42008 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:15:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 41997 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:15:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:15:51 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such as, what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed primarily for function/performance. Its a tool. But there is an aesthetic in the end result that is appreciated by many, rightfully so i guess. Many people would consider the entire process art, just as much as the end result... Something similiar would be architecture. It is art. It is judged on its aesthetic, but first and foremost is its functionality. Does it do what it is supposed to do and does it do it well? aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Powers wrote: > > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of > process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". > > But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, as > being more important than what results from a process. A process, in > my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a > useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including > artworks that are aesthetically interesting. > > ~David > On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the >> process as much as the end result, if not more. >> >> What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley >> Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? >> >> Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some >> great examples of this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:12:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40313-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39747 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 39736 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I like Sol LeWitt's work but looking at it the first thing that comes to mind is not Socialism.. that's for sure. But I guess the concept of idealised unity does.. one can allways dream. Adrian --- xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > consider the socialist goals of minimalist art- Sol LeWitt especially > was > interested in "universal"/shared experience that didnt rely upon > access to > education or other facets of high culture- whether he succeeded or > not is > an issue for debate..... > > > Goddamn wikipedia.. it'd be nice if "you" could write your own > retorts > > ;-) > > > > I guess I was really thinking more in terms of microsound.. lyrics > are > > obvious... this isn't the folkmusic list etc.. > > > > Adrian > > > > --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > >> > relate to > >> > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. > ;-) > >> > >> you really ought to get out more! ;) > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > >> http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:09:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40312-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36455 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:09:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 36444 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:09:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David, I don't really know how to take this statement "I don't value challenges, in themselves". To each his own.. I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to feel this way wether you are talking about art or anything else. I find living is pretty challenging on it's own let alone making art so I gotta get my kicks where I can... if it's by challenging myself wether or not the outcome is heralded as brilliant or horrible I don't really care. I went with Perl because it was familiar so I did not set myself up for too much of a challenge. I could have tried programming in C if I wanted to hang myself. I am also familiar with Csound, PD and Max. I choose Perl for the afore mentioned reasons of working with the theme of forcing hardware or software not designed to make sound ..to make sound or to make soudn differently than it was intended. I certainly wasn't implying that doing things this way made the work more aesthetically pleasing or meaningful. But at the same time it's undeniable that process and technology has not driven change in art and music. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I don't value challenges, in themselves; however, there working > within > strict limitations is a really productive technique for some artists. > I think it creates tension in an artwork. It is, perhaps, a > substitute > for the tension that used to exist between the socially given genres > (sonata, symphony, etc.) and the individual's artistic vision. With > the fragmentation of culture, artists now often create their own > rules, not to simply follow them, but rather in order to struggle > against them. > > Schoenberg's 12-tone method of composition could be viewed as an > early > example of this. Though it's rather bizarre, to me, that Schoenberg > tried to use classical forms with 12-tone content, as if the very > existence of the tone row did not demand it's own form. Webern was > much more advanced in creating overall forms that matched the logic > of > the 12-tone compositional method. > > Of course, the aesthetic meaning of struggling against a challenge a > composer chooses individually, might be very different than the > struggle of an artist working within a socially given set of norms. > > Also, that a given work was difficult, or a challenge to create, > does > not make the end result aesthetically meaningful per se. > > ~David > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:07:40 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40311-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34817 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:07:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 34803 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:07:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:07:17 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eLntZn9hf1hO67Quav0l5OjH8w2ZkcfgzpjfbafFqdsOvIJ9XQdcyxNiiqTAM1JewqFy7gGWmzkQAURi5XRlP4kKLGFBYhZcAqrseYaCppjliXH0qBLXVDNH2hqSVUtmz0XGw129iBVSvAHaEAANs7I8UJ8I/oRi3MPZMVozSF8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the > process as much as the end result, if not more. > > What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley > Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? > > Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some > great examples of this. > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, as being more important than what results from a process. A process, in my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including artworks that are aesthetically interesting. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:37:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40310-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20469 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 20458 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:37:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:37:00 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004101c6e25b$89853e70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Because after all, if you haven't absorbed and accepted socialist theory, you MUST be an ignorant shut in! ;) ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >> Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism >> relate to >> a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:35:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40309-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17129 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:35:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 17118 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:35:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:34:17 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002e01c6e25b$29cc8b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> And, of course, "family planning" is for when you plan not to have a >> family. Go figure. >> All of my kids were unplanned, but that doesn't mean they were unwanted. > [http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html?page=2] > > as a linguist he is pointing out the inconsistency of the phrase > 'family planning'. I beg to differ. Family planning is exactly that, no inconsistency involved: you can choose not to have children (as in MY family, and we ARE a family), you can choose to select when to have children and how many, or you can choose not to plan at all. A linguist might be expected to be more precise, but a wingnut with an agenda to push (if he is one, I dont know) would intentionally resort to dogma and attempt to spin the issue their own way. ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:09:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40308-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5616 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:09:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 5605 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:09:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:09:29 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the process as much as the end result, if not more. What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some great examples of this. aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:55 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > Also, that a given work was difficult, or a challenge to create, does > not make the end result aesthetically meaningful per se. > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:03:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40307-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2326 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 2305 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:02:37 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a good quote -- maybe worthy of discussion? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AqHRpNOEDGp4zc+Rwj28bA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_AqHRpNOEDGp4zc+Rwj28bA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > from English Marxist Christopher Caudwell's essay 'The Concept of > Freedom': > > 'But art is in any case not a relation to a thing, it is a > relation between men, between artist and audience, and the art work > is only like a machine which they must both grasp as part of the > process. The commercialisation of art may revolt the sincere > artist, but the tragedy is that he revolts against it still within > the limitations of bourgeois culture. He attempts to forget the > market completely and concentrate on his relation to the art work, > which now becomes further hypostatized as an entity-in-itself. > Because the art work is now completely an end-in-itself, and even > the market is forgotten, the art process becomes an extremely > individualistic relation. The social values inherent in the art > form, such as syntax, tradition, rules, technique, form, accepted > tonal scale, now seem to have little value, for the art work more > and more exists for the individial alone.' an interesting topic, when was this written? my first thought would be to put this in the context of the way that electronic culture has changed the way the marketplace works, and whether the idea of "bourgeois culture" still applies in this regard. certainly for me i would take issue with the idea that the work becomes hypostatized and isolated in revolting against the forces of commercialization, but then again, i am not much of a political thinker or philosopher and might not be able to back that statement up. best bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Boundary_(ID_AqHRpNOEDGp4zc+Rwj28bA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:59:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40306-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99701 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:59:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 99688 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:59:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:59:13 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WhULTYzx8/9E0gCpgZaz2lgImdmkrc+AL6G14fo2HcBnmtWXEiQNkAOC742NsT3KgW5bN7rbgVmczFD8v26xgRaC3ONAg1xfCz9gsvxqLMJDSsmOW9ub/uiVap7Seckd0NfpTZpnOm7zas3xKCQL3xs8gFYTBYkjY6rmDIfn8MY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I know I just scoffed at him in a previous email, but Adorno is an important critic of Capitalism's (oh no, an ism!) effect on music, which makes a lot of sense if you just watch MTV or listen to any of the five or six identical stations on your FM radio. But, he was quite the Classical music snob, so I doubt that he'd appreciate much microsound, or loop-based music at all! However, this hatred of "commodified music," of which most microsound (especially if on a netlabel) is arguably spared the title, does stem from his Marxian beliefs. ~Kyle On 9/27/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > > relate to > > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:56:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40305-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97641 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:55:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 97631 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:55:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:55:50 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jhnwKnxRFiH2QWn/E9TQHekV07q1LJaasqs83pAgi3YYXOl2FjpLyiqNzDKgtAGjcQjYziWcuLPaWixHDi48Mq8e6xyCJyHyUCf7/AeT5CP7zNIuj1/7fcgMYNx0Z6nMfx3gSFvXHEzpI65j+u4gYcIbo+tlQ4V2AO7gXpecu4o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > It would also be easier to build the ship outside the bottle but people > still build ships in bottles for the challenge. ;-0 > > Adrian I don't value challenges, in themselves; however, there working within strict limitations is a really productive technique for some artists. I think it creates tension in an artwork. It is, perhaps, a substitute for the tension that used to exist between the socially given genres (sonata, symphony, etc.) and the individual's artistic vision. With the fragmentation of culture, artists now often create their own rules, not to simply follow them, but rather in order to struggle against them. Schoenberg's 12-tone method of composition could be viewed as an early example of this. Though it's rather bizarre, to me, that Schoenberg tried to use classical forms with 12-tone content, as if the very existence of the tone row did not demand it's own form. Webern was much more advanced in creating overall forms that matched the logic of the 12-tone compositional method. Of course, the aesthetic meaning of struggling against a challenge a composer chooses individually, might be very different than the struggle of an artist working within a socially given set of norms. Also, that a given work was difficult, or a challenge to create, does not make the end result aesthetically meaningful per se. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:37:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40304-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88034 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 88023 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:36:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UZs8uduy4PF33esi04PbN6ENYBJCNNy9NcPbWTknIgsrdNjq5KF8pBZwTsHF88WNBMz6PApVPjOavSMI6426mVw9MrzAxNdLnw7/Y5Fh7KeIrg9iQ5NeUu6se4CWhJRRw6DrpQi+sZ7dWgE5iJj1Bd0P2s0P1YdFK+HMSVlBhss= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Basic forms and ornament are set beyond performance, and, > like a concert pianist, the artist surrenders design and > situates creativity in the constricted realm of technology. > It might be that, needing money, artists make things they do > not admire, that might please the patron/institution but > cannot stand as fully achieved signs of creative competence. Maybe, but it's just as likely that artists have day jobs, so that they can create what they want, when they want, and not have to comporomise. Well, unless you are talking about graphic designers and advert people ... ;-) ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:17:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40303-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76610 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:16:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 76596 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:16:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:16:39 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] a good quote -- maybe worthy of discussion? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rMIBbkJ8dXn3AHy76/0xgA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rMIBbkJ8dXn3AHy76/0xgA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from English Marxist Christopher Caudwell's essay 'The Concept of Freedom': 'But art is in any case not a relation to a thing, it is a relation between men, between artist and audience, and the art work is only like a machine which they must both grasp as part of the process. The commercialisation of art may revolt the sincere artist, but the tragedy is that he revolts against it still within the limitations of bourgeois culture. He attempts to forget the market completely and concentrate on his relation to the art work, which now becomes further hypostatized as an entity-in-itself. Because the art work is now completely an end-in-itself, and even the market is forgotten, the art process becomes an extremely individualistic relation. The social values inherent in the art form, such as syntax, tradition, rules, technique, form, accepted tonal scale, now seem to have little value, for the art work more and more exists for the individial alone.' --Boundary_(ID_rMIBbkJ8dXn3AHy76/0xgA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:14:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40302-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73437 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:12:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 73427 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:12:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:12:41 -0700 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] also, a link to a very good book to read In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my favorite!!!! On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:12:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40301-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72213 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:10:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 72186 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:10:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:10:45 -0700 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i would definitely go the library route. stockhausen and cage scores are notoriously expensive, unfortunately, but immensely educational. On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of > works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that > feature discussion about the scores, which included performance > instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an > actual score, but any university music department may be able to > assist you. > > ~Kyle > > On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing >> the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and >> stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply >> by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. >> > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:09:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40299-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69787 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 69777 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Basic forms and ornament are set beyond performance, and, like a concert pianist, the artist surrenders design and situates creativity in the constricted realm of technology. It might be that, needing money, artists make things they do not admire, that might please the patron/institution but cannot stand as fully achieved signs of creative competence. brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, David Powers wrote: > I wasn't aware of artists having "patrons" these days. None of the > people that enjoy my music "distrust" me. It's rather hard to > understand what exactly your trying to get at. > > A mailing list like this could be considered a form a shared culture. > But not a homogenous culture - which perhaps is a good thing. > > ~David > > > > > When culture is not shared, when the patron distrusts the > > artist, instructions elaborate andd creation is cramped. > > > > /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:07:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40297-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67410 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:07:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 67400 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:07:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:08:43 -0500 (CDT) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5-1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx here's a good one on theory: http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521619920 > This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of > works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that > feature discussion about the scores, which included performance > instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an > actual score, but any university music department may be able to > assist you. > > ~Kyle > > On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing >> the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and >> stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply >> by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. >> > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:08:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40298-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68447 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 68437 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:07:59 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] also, a link to a very good book to read To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1tyzr8wDf42cm4hYsaHiEA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1tyzr8wDf42cm4hYsaHiEA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/index.html --Boundary_(ID_1tyzr8wDf42cm4hYsaHiEA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:10:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40300-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70493 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 70475 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:06:46 -0400 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003801c6e24e$eef1ac60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The canadian electroacoustic community site http://sonus.ca has quite a number of works to listen too/download...and a number of articles to read covering a wide range of issues relevant to the composition/production of electroacoustic works.......... //*-----Original Message----- //*From: Kyle Klipowicz [mailto:xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] //*Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:02 PM //*To: microsound //*Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music //* //*This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of //*works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that //*feature discussion about the scores, which included performance //*instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an //*actual score, but any university music department may be able to //*assist you. //* //*~Kyle //* //*On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: //*> i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing //*> the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and //*> stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply //*> by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. //*> //* //*-- //* //*http://theradioproject.com //*http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com //* //*(((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) //*(())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) //*))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ //*_____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ //*((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO //* //*--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:06:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40296-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66261 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:06:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 66251 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:06:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Goddamn wikipedia.. it'd be nice if "you" could write your own retorts ;-) I guess I was really thinking more in terms of microsound.. lyrics are obvious... this isn't the folkmusic list etc.. Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > > relate to > > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:02:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40295-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60948 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 60924 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:01:45 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ssaTmSaW50RGsW50PVRGQAAygc6TjYvdRE9IN2BfU3D2DRpNZeKDmu2DgBrdHaSOh6oTIL6kpyT/DMpyYrL9sgjQ2/5Wnxz4x/jCRJcWORkBKllw03GHdht7WOnTtWlKpJQd0a9XzOqeaZsnqiHhK5UxX8OPyrOaJ9zYfi27rq4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that feature discussion about the scores, which included performance instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an actual score, but any university music department may be able to assist you. ~Kyle On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing > the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and > stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply > by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:01:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40294-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60261 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 60222 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. Yea I've heard of Supercollider but unfortunately I'm decidely PC only, no offense I have used all the platforms at some point. MAX BTW has been ported to the PC but I have heard it is not as stable. > I've made an awful lot of music with Perl but am pretty sick of it. > I've realised that it's better to use a language made for music. > Perl > is great for (for example) string processing but it's not always the > case that you want to treat music like a string. ChucK and > SuperCollider are made with music in mind so are much better suited. > > Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. > For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall > railed against family planning. Well I never would have guessed that.. guess I should burn all my Perl books now... although O'Reilly must have censored him in the editorial process. Again besides knowing Perl allready one of my main goals was to use something that did not lend itself to music. This was part of the theme of the festival I was preparing for. > At the moment I'm exploring using a language called Haskell98. It's > a > very pure language, and easy to expand by making new operators and so > on, so I'm hoping to make a language in it that is tailored for > making > the music I want to make. Is this it? http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell > > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how > to > > avoid loud annoying clicks. > > I don't know about csound but I guess you would need to make sure the > samples start and end at 0 by adding a small volume envelope to the > start and end. That seems obvious now but at the time I could not figure out how to do it. > Fair enough but interactive/live programming is not just a way of > performing, it's also a way of developing. If you can modify a > program > while it's running you can hear the results immediately, and so get a > tight action/reaction feedback loop that might aide creativity. But > yes, totally down to personal preference. In ChucK you do edit those > scripts live (they call it on-the-fly programming over there). It would also be easier to build the ship outside the bottle but people still build ships in bottles for the challenge. ;-0 Hehe Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:58:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40293-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56229 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:57:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 56218 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:57:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:57:50 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TAl2rlor4VAbMxP6AUhtmw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_TAl2rlor4VAbMxP6AUhtmw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > relate to > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) you really ought to get out more! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno --Boundary_(ID_TAl2rlor4VAbMxP6AUhtmw)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:56:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40292-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54272 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:56:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 54246 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:56:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:55:44 -0700 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:22 AM, mel ducasse wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and > articles which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' > of electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal > with software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at > composition techniques which were developed before computers, > techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set > of gestures. > > Thanks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:55:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40291-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53403 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:55:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 53393 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:55:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:55:43 +0100 From: Paul Sanders <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well i'm glad we got that cleared up. On 27 Sep 2006, at 16:47, { brad brace } wrote: > > Both are gifted artists. X preserves his art by means of > subtle revitalization within the context of modernization. > He is prosperous and unhappy. Y preserves his art by driving > for personal excellence with a synchronic tradition of > maintenance. He is not prosperous. He is happy. > > /:b > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:47:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40290-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49252 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:47:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 49241 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:47:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Both are gifted artists. X preserves his art by means of subtle revitalization within the context of modernization. He is prosperous and unhappy. Y preserves his art by driving for personal excellence with a synchronic tradition of maintenance. He is not prosperous. He is happy. /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:44:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40289-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46769 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:44:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 46759 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:44:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:44:23 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pIWTY0sdl008v77d+4Hg5w8sH/TX02dOigeX87rf4dBxJIhShihGdz7iDNFkv0osh5TLv3Znx0FQnnxph3OIaTK13b/l1YWF+M6c2rdhHoh2CKyOS6B/AWIh1kaEiUXwv8SpDpxQBhbCCfAWwiEaAJv9u2b2cmW3RTyFDH9Vwkc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > A mailing list like this could be considered a form a shared culture. > But not a homogenous culture - which perhaps is a good thing. it is good because otherwise the differance that exists in the liminal subterfuge of postmodern rants citing deleuze and adorno over and over and over again no punctuation no paragraphs because structure is modern and we are beyond all structure the type of writing that pays to use overhyped jargon to diffuse the idea that maybe i'm not saying anything but want to sound smart and didn't finish going to college or even reading that intro to theory textbook but oh well i picked up a few buzzwords and isms and can toss them around but don't ask me to define my thoughts that is such 20th centuryism and we are beyond that this is the digital micro age with marxian anticonsumerism and now all i care about is being confusing because that is artistic and obtuse ..._>> (because sigs are dead, long live sigs) (This is just a joke, I respect everyone, really. I just couldn't pass it up! ~Kyle) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:33:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40288-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41213 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:32:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 41198 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:32:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:32:49 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pt+O9P2YbLh0y6AABsSxo84CqqIaFvxCjxldLxMgdW3cwduqDCogaLnqyzUZwp1F+s0/vXSYtfVEUgDYfHEK6Mjb/S98okb15F29Sq4bndNgq5cXqLudYpU5NLlFPl4dszXYTzHHwBgCgZHjHR18kI5T4Jn/6688XuJQBw9oG68= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/27/06, alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. > For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall railed > against family planning. this is completely not true! larry is a bit nuts [as are most of the people on this list] but this is what he said about family planning: > And, of course, "family planning" is for when you plan not to have a family. Go figure. > All of my kids were unplanned, but that doesn't mean they were unwanted. [http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html?page=2] as a linguist he is pointing out the inconsistency of the phrase 'family planning'. also, it was in the context of a drawn out metaphorical description about perl as one of his kids [the entire article is a good read if you have an active intellect or kids or both] and anyway, you can do whatever you want with perl [or haskell or chuck or ..]. if you make a decision on whether to use a programming language or not based on [mis-]perceived character flaws of it's creators- well ... good luck to you! > Free software always has a great buzz around, makes finding answers > to questions very easy... yeah- it's that community buzz ... btw. the most complete perl 6 implementation runs on top of haskell [in case you want to catch that community buzz again ...]. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:24:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40287-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36937 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:24:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 36926 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:24:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:24:25 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C/wRFl5AlqGSVIxNiiEMqFTbuYHySmxE5Fi2YH/fPszQi/AfwVqFj9QIpXDyVR90SsB2EqzaNA2tByf2RWml7FMWDYE7VEngLTyw5PF5+7Xllf31KY9YS+CoAlv1+ThmmwyRp6FgHRonuO3KzR59x4BGJyZGRGVje5nyGRLq+6A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I wasn't aware of artists having "patrons" these days. None of the people that enjoy my music "distrust" me. It's rather hard to understand what exactly your trying to get at. A mailing list like this could be considered a form a shared culture. But not a homogenous culture - which perhaps is a good thing. ~David > > When culture is not shared, when the patron distrusts the > artist, instructions elaborate andd creation is cramped. > > /:b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:06:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40286-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27170 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 27160 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Thomas Yager-Madden wrote: > On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied > > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between > > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena > > under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that > > will be purified in a certain direction. ... > > what When culture is not shared, when the patron distrusts the artist, instructions elaborate andd creation is cramped. /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 14:36:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40285-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17572 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:36:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 17562 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:36:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:12 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Intelligence is a point of reference. What one might consider intelligent, another may consider moot, or beaten to death topically. Assumptious blanket statements on the other hand... aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:10 AM, bryan garcia wrote: > One of the aspects stupidity puts forth is that people > prefer the act of "resisting intelligence," as it > makes them feel more comfortable. > > there is a "dumbing down" of contemporary culture, > evidenced by morons who accuse you of using language > with big words. dang. > > there is a film called idiocracy written by mike > judge. but it's supposed to be "just a movie". > > being there- > > > > > --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Ditto, >> >> That about sums it up for me... >> >> >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from >> music. absolutely. yadda >>> yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. >>> >>> my problem is just when the monthly socialist or >> deleuze rant is >>> considered more valid - more topical - to the >> microsound list than >>> someone posting a link to a microsound composition >> they just uploaded. >>> or some neat piece of software used to make >> microsound music. >>> >>> i mean geez. >>> >>> there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's >> that for socialist? >>> >>> delete and repeat. >>> >>> g. >>> >>> p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. >>> >>> On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: >>> >>>> Oh, I enjoy talking politics. >>>> I do it several times a day most days, actually. >>>> >>>> In politcal forums. >>>> >>>> You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call >> as to enforcing off- >>>> or on-topicness. >>>> I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. >>>> >>>> Or is that now verboten? >>>> At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. >>>> >>>> ~ !J! >>>> http://www.endif.org >>>> http://www.crunchpod.com >>>> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" >>>> <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM >>>> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't >> think so... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit >> back and enjoy the >>>>> discussion? >>>>> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste >> funny, talking about >>>>> politics is actually good for you... >>>>> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- >> unsub and start your >>>>> own list... >>>>> and also, please don't proffer censorship on >> this forum -- you can >>>>> take *that* elsewhere thank you >>>>> el hefe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 14:30:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40284-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14227 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:30:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 14217 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:30:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:30:10 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1405792.33E3%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: AcbiQW+drmCV9U40EduXWQARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved on to > making his own hardware I think. i was very disappointed with this new release by raphael toral. especially after reading the contents of the booklet and his aim towards music. check also the interview/article on him in the new issue of the wire... ralph -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 14:10:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40283-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7201 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:10:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 7190 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:10:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CPY32JAzH2BdzsxgvoQkCLqG2fNmetVOsELKrzvB7EDOhI9S5zFraRqD3FNLbpSDYN2922eQFSPbSzZCLUQjGDXLSt9EAl6kFAoa0lzjjM0BNIpjXnRWqzSh8vgFyszCSqFgJSLP+1hwtTZOr1qyS05bQQoeG/NWgADuZ1+hPkc= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One of the aspects stupidity puts forth is that people prefer the act of "resisting intelligence," as it makes them feel more comfortable. there is a "dumbing down" of contemporary culture, evidenced by morons who accuse you of using language with big words. dang. there is a film called idiocracy written by mike judge. but it's supposed to be "just a movie". being there- --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Ditto, > > That about sums it up for me... > > > > aLEKs > > > On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > > > i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from > music. absolutely. yadda > > yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. > > > > my problem is just when the monthly socialist or > deleuze rant is > > considered more valid - more topical - to the > microsound list than > > someone posting a link to a microsound composition > they just uploaded. > > or some neat piece of software used to make > microsound music. > > > > i mean geez. > > > > there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's > that for socialist? > > > > delete and repeat. > > > > g. > > > > p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. > > > > On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > > > >> Oh, I enjoy talking politics. > >> I do it several times a day most days, actually. > >> > >> In politcal forums. > >> > >> You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call > as to enforcing off- > >> or on-topicness. > >> I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. > >> > >> Or is that now verboten? > >> At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. > >> > >> ~ !J! > >> http://www.endif.org > >> http://www.crunchpod.com > >> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" > >> <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM > >> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't > think so... > >> > >> > >>> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit > back and enjoy the > >>> discussion? > >>> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste > funny, talking about > >>> politics is actually good for you... > >>> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- > unsub and start your > >>> own list... > >>> and also, please don't proffer censorship on > this forum -- you can > >>> take *that* elsewhere thank you > >>> el hefe > >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>> website: http://www.microsound.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 14:03:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40282-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4627 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:03:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 4614 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:03:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FBaty6TaOrp6k9kWs0mvzw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gtolroX/4Rxxt3ECat5kvty7VWAdyp6KDPvjZLCAAIYvooRGmu3hGxdnFyOGERWlmTYbt4k5tg2pF4cjLYr/9TSVPqlzQ9qpF0B/0v/DVWMwQZ+Xn8qmR4I7uikT7izT3nz7GZOLCMI7JMQ/X159yvzaSAg5Y51mjHGBH0esoro= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_FBaty6TaOrp6k9kWs0mvzw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take it offlist. The myspace thread afforded an opportunity for list members & musicians to learn a bit more about each other and their music. New geo-political movements have little to do with microsound imo, so it's not a matter of 'not reading the thread' but the topic not being applicable to the list. In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved on to making his own hardware I think. Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_FBaty6TaOrp6k9kWs0mvzw)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 13:33:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40281-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95768 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 95758 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:31:37 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ditto, That about sums it up for me... aLEKs On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from music. absolutely. yadda > yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. > > my problem is just when the monthly socialist or deleuze rant is > considered more valid - more topical - to the microsound list than > someone posting a link to a microsound composition they just uploaded. > or some neat piece of software used to make microsound music. > > i mean geez. > > there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's that for socialist? > > delete and repeat. > > g. > > p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. > > On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > >> Oh, I enjoy talking politics. >> I do it several times a day most days, actually. >> >> In politcal forums. >> >> You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call as to enforcing off- >> or on-topicness. >> I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. >> >> Or is that now verboten? >> At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. >> >> ~ !J! >> http://www.endif.org >> http://www.crunchpod.com >> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" >> <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM >> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... >> >> >>> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the >>> discussion? >>> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about >>> politics is actually good for you... >>> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start your >>> own list... >>> and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you can >>> take *that* elsewhere thank you >>> el hefe >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:49:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40280-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24069 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:49:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 24056 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:49:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:50:13 +1000 From: Steve Adam <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a05200f00c13fe69dc155@[192.168.0.100]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,224,1157299200"; d="scan'208"; a="963422272:sNHT43076552" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and >articles which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' >of electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal >with software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at >composition techniques which were developed before computers, >techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of >gestures. > >Thanks Going back to the "sources" there are (for the francophones) the publications of Pierre Schaeffer ie "Solfege de l'objet sonore" and "Traité des objets musicaux" among others. Theorists and composers associated with or influenced by the GRM may also have relevant material about. Most of them seem to speak and write in French though. Hmmm For the non-French speakers/readers (as well as the Trevor Wishart Books which have already been mentioned) a number of articles may suit (ie Denis Smalley's "Spectromorphology and Structuring processes" which is arguably an Anglicized distillation of the Schaefferian concepts. You would probably also encounter relevant articles in the journal "Organized Sound" which is a Cambridge publication. No doubt there is a whole lot more out there... S. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:22:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40279-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15209 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 15169 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:01 +0100 From: alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 18:09 -0700, Xdugef wrote: > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. I've made an awful lot of music with Perl but am pretty sick of it. I've realised that it's better to use a language made for music. Perl is great for (for example) string processing but it's not always the case that you want to treat music like a string. ChucK and SuperCollider are made with music in mind so are much better suited. Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall railed against family planning. At the moment I'm exploring using a language called Haskell98. It's a very pure language, and easy to expand by making new operators and so on, so I'm hoping to make a language in it that is tailored for making the music I want to make. > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to > avoid loud annoying clicks. I don't know about csound but I guess you would need to make sure the samples start and end at 0 by adding a small volume envelope to the start and end. > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. Fair enough but interactive/live programming is not just a way of performing, it's also a way of developing. If you can modify a program while it's running you can hear the results immediately, and so get a tight action/reaction feedback loop that might aide creativity. But yes, totally down to personal preference. In ChucK you do edit those scripts live (they call it on-the-fly programming over there). > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably > proceed to add the wav capabilities. Good luck! > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. Also has a good community behind it. The same with SuperCollider and PD. Free software always has a great buzz around, makes finding answers to questions very easy... alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:21:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40278-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14763 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 14751 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:01 +0100 From: alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 18:09 -0700, Xdugef wrote: > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. I've made an awful lot of music with Perl but am pretty sick of it. I've realised that it's better to use a language made for music. Perl is great for (for example) string processing but it's not always the case that you want to treat music like a string. ChucK and SuperCollider are made with music in mind so are much better suited. Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall railed against family planning. At the moment I'm exploring using a language called Haskell98. It's a very pure language, and easy to expand by making new operators and so on, so I'm hoping to make a language in it that is tailored for making the music I want to make. > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to > avoid loud annoying clicks. I don't know about csound but I guess you would need to make sure the samples start and end at 0 by adding a small volume envelope to the start and end. > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. Fair enough but interactive/live programming is not just a way of performing, it's also a way of developing. If you can modify a program while it's running you can hear the results immediately, and so get a tight action/reaction feedback loop that might aide creativity. But yes, totally down to personal preference. In ChucK you do edit those scripts live (they call it on-the-fly programming over there). > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably > proceed to add the wav capabilities. Good luck! > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. Also has a good community behind it. The same with SuperCollider and PD. Free software always has a great buzz around, makes finding answers to questions very easy... alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:11:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40277-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11578 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:11:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 11563 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:11:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:11:21 +0200 From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xx (Peter Plessas) Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at mur.at X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, both books by Trevor Wishart "Audible Design" and "On Sonic Art" may be a starting point. They focus on transformation of (recorded) sound mainly, and focus a lot on what you might call "gesture" in electroacoustic composition. regards, Peter * mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> [2006-09-27 09:22]: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and articles > which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' of > electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal with > software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at > composition techniques which were developed before computers, > techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of > gestures. > > Thanks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 07:22:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40276-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98453 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:22:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 98440 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:22:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:22:18 +0200 From: mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and articles which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' of electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal with software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at composition techniques which were developed before computers, techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of gestures. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 04:48:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40275-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58509 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:48:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 58499 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:48:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:48:06 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VDpzHskcW0svkHVsSGpuTuQ19g55LY144VQVvMJ37DK5slZFh98GN7A6I5kFOlC6nk8439fBFdPViqhQ/pgh0TJH/Cn/l6hw+P+hbwaTePpuRQF6CD4E2MrSgQhAze0J9n/lSwRqWN12KUnDx3y0qWQ6KuzkgbphPfKyI0yyE5k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here here! My thoughts exactly. I'm in favor of paragraphs too, with a one "ism" per paragraph maximum. ~Kyle On 9/26/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Or maybe Rebecca just isn't interested in paragraph long sentences rife with > excessive (and heavily parentheses laden) mega-syllabic nonsense... > > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? > > > > see, rebecca, this: > > > >> "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > > > >> > production" list... > > > > > > > > is snarky. > > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have to > > read > > the thread. > > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters being > > discussed. > > so the objection seems pointless. > > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > > matters > > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them and > > who > > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and how > > they > > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) and > > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one thing > > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > > doing. > > > > > > stephen > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 04:16:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40274-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48871 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:16:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 48858 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:16:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <003501c6e1da$efc2d0c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx My solution .. about a hundred pounds of delays and various noise makers including a circuit bent CD player. I mix it up though.. I did a battery only performance recently with only an amp and a heathkit tube based sine wave generator. One of my other reasons for making the Perl script was that I was trying to build a automated audio switcher and I could not find components that did not switch so fast that they created clicks between the input audio signals. So with the script I can control fade up/down the signals on a sample based level.. I still need to spend some time working on the hardware version. BTW all the vactrols I ever tried had decay times that were way too slow. Adrian --- Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Sounds interesting. > (I too have chosen to forego the laptop in favor of other means of > live > performance. ) > Describe your solution, if you would. =] > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to > anyone > > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script > is > > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > > performing live more than ever. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 03:15:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40273-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33643 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:15:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 33631 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:15:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:13 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks for info doug i guess that rules me out for Ph.d there - i barely made in through grade 11 math:) science, technology i love, but without the math i'm condemned to the pop sci section of those nice bookstores where the covers feel really expensive and smooth. i did a masters in ethnomusicology in york in toronto. they have Ph.d programs there too. i quite liked it. they are open minded to new kinds of music, electronic, experimental, academic, electo-acoustic and otherwise. but it is pretty much musicology. i really would have like to have learned more techie stuff while i was there, but the one grad course that i did take called 'electronic music composition,' well, the prof never showed up to a single class. classy, i know. michael coglan to name names. i was pissed, especially considering how much those courses cost. but that said, i have nothing but good things to say about rob bowman who runs the show there. the nicest guy you'll ever meet and is a walking encyclopedia of all things pop music. with over 35,000 records in his personal collection, i should hope so. best of all, he one the most passionate, friendly and enthusiastic teachers i have ever had. so that's my experience in a nutshell. pun intended:) all the best, g. On 25-Sep-06, at 7:56 PM, doug van nort wrote: > hi, > > i am currently a late-stage phd candidate in McGill music tech and > so know a thing > or two about the place.... > > in short, i feel it is a strong program that focuses on a > scientific/engineering approach to > the intersection of music and technology (i.e. you need a decent > math/sci background to > be considered for the grad programs). it might be for you if you > want to do scientific research > in the following areas: > > -analysis/synthesis and spectral processing of sound > -physical modeling of sound, esp. using a waveguide approach > -control/controller/sensor/gesture analysis based work > -music perception/cognition > -music information retrieval > > if you mean the undergrad program, it is more a mixture of theory > (e.g. dsp) and music/media practice. > For the major you need to be admitted to the music school, for the > minor (i believe) you simply need to be > admitted by music tech. > > you can ask me more off-list if you'd like to know more details. > > good luck > > doug > > > On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > >> Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology >> program offered at McGill University in Montreal? >> >> I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following >> year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) >> >> thank you kindly! >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! 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Wed Sep 27 02:54:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40272-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26448 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:54:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 26431 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:54:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:53:57 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from music. absolutely. yadda yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. my problem is just when the monthly socialist or deleuze rant is considered more valid - more topical - to the microsound list than someone posting a link to a microsound composition they just uploaded. or some neat piece of software used to make microsound music. i mean geez. there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's that for socialist? delete and repeat. g. p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > Oh, I enjoy talking politics. > I do it several times a day most days, actually. > > In politcal forums. > > You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call as to enforcing > off- or on-topicness. > I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. > > Or is that now verboten? > At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" > <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM > Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... > > >> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the >> discussion? >> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about >> politics is actually good for you... >> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start >> your own list... >> and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you >> can take *that* elsewhere thank you >> el hefe >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:30:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40270-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16943 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 16925 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:29:51 -0400 From: rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-Originating-IP: [141.153.193.59] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 02:29:54.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1364F90:01C6E1DC] seems to be so, suddenly. ---Original Message Follows---- From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:12 -0400 don't you mean 'your' microsound list? On 26-Sep-06, at 8:52 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >>It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our >>"let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural >>production" list... > >it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a >'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and philosophy, >not about trainspotting software and artists' list >which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 >no brag, just fact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:25:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40268-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13177 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:25:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 13166 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:25:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:12 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx don't you mean 'your' microsound list? On 26-Sep-06, at 8:52 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our >> "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in >> cultural >> production" list... > > it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually > a 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and > philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list > which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 > no brag, just fact > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:32:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40271-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18305 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:32:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 18292 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:32:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:26 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003501c6e1da$efc2d0c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sounds interesting. (I too have chosen to forego the laptop in favor of other means of live performance. ) Describe your solution, if you would. =] ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:16:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40267-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9267 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:15:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 9250 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:15:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm not confused by Chuck's timing process.. I could just as easily write something similar in Perl .. while ($now < $later) { $now++;} I just thought that was funny.. I have investigated PD as well.. I would proabbaly try it again before paying for MAX but getting under the hood does seem alot more daunting than it's interface would allow you to think. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not any amazing programmer, but ChucK was very easy to get > started > in; there are a LOT of examples. You should be able to understand > what > you need, simply by modifying one of the included scripts. The key to > Chuck is indeed the timing part, which isn't as confusing as you > thing > if you read the examples and the manual... "now" is a chuck keyword, > but "later" in the example, would be a user defined variable, say 1 > second, so after one second, (now < later) would be false and the > loop > would end. > > You don't have to process realtime with chuck, and I'm assuming > offline processing would be much faster with chuck than with Perl. > > I use Pure Data a lot now, which is the open source version of Max. > However, the learning curve was STEEP, steeper than a normal > programming language, in my opinion. Took about a year I guess, > before > the paradigm really seemed natural for doing programming type tasks > and not just hooking up audio streams. > > ~David > > On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > >Have you considered ChucK? It might be very well suited to what > you > > >are doing... > > >~David > > > > > > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ > > > > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how > to > > avoid loud annoying clicks. > > > > In my more recent efforts one goal was to avoid any kind of > learning > > curve although by this point in time Chuck looks pretty straight > > forward to me. > > > > Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical > > challenges.. > > > > "while( now < later )" > > > > What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc > etc > > etc > > > > > > My script at this point is extremely portable assuming your sound > input > > is in text file format ..hehe > > > > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to > anyone > > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script > is > > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > > performing live more than ever. > > > > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will > probably > > proceed to add the wav capabilities. > > > > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's > available > > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. > > > > I have toyed with the idea of getting back into MAX but now I may > have > > too.. thanks > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:29:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40269-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15913 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 15903 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:13:44 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oh, I enjoy talking politics. I do it several times a day most days, actually. In politcal forums. You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call as to enforcing off- or on-topicness. I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. Or is that now verboten? At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... > Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the > discussion? > kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about politics > is actually good for you... > or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start your own > list... > and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you can take > *that* elsewhere thank you > el hefe > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:07:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40266-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5930 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:07:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 5920 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:07:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:05:54 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Or maybe Rebecca just isn't interested in paragraph long sentences rife with excessive (and heavily parentheses laden) mega-syllabic nonsense... ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? > see, rebecca, this: > >> "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > >> > production" list... > > > > is snarky. > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have to > read > the thread. > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters being > discussed. > so the objection seems pointless. > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > matters > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them and > who > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and how > they > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) and > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one thing > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > doing. > > > stephen > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:56:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40265-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2133 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:56:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 2123 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:56:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:21 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DaCRDfLSuoVTpPv7djvZaEaGSmjCzlRlfRz4L977dNIDi0Ve8NhcVpjAwGmwhS8TWGEI9PSTuFJGRpopfBJcVd7x8SW/Gfgs3zAL5vpDWN0zpbnG++pUkiuTAVceEZX59B7goqwBx/inDnLhMyl/8SxIQo+mx1AWNc5CTqGQUxY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical > challenges.. yes. but all language is like that. > "while( now < later )" > What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc etc > etc that's how you program a [while] loop. also, don't limit your conception of time. time can be very flexible in music. chuck is fun. made some music with it without even trying too hard: http://or8.net/~johns/music/mj.mp3 -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:42:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40264-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94911 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:42:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 94901 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:42:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:42:18 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EVh6VbQIL5xB5y3XwYWXGCgWB7oe8Osn7XwCRc1eIsCOnQGcd2uyVu1zIi+3EHnrJYiAXfShrn7+ACLyHl9N/8/V+8zk5hckYY5nFIG1QwY5EVR7EGANltuyzDWWMChfnOYoFNi6IJy9Sq+FmiHnWZfnYM7rwaUHTNWDcmu4O6I= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, I'm not any amazing programmer, but ChucK was very easy to get started in; there are a LOT of examples. You should be able to understand what you need, simply by modifying one of the included scripts. The key to Chuck is indeed the timing part, which isn't as confusing as you thing if you read the examples and the manual... "now" is a chuck keyword, but "later" in the example, would be a user defined variable, say 1 second, so after one second, (now < later) would be false and the loop would end. You don't have to process realtime with chuck, and I'm assuming offline processing would be much faster with chuck than with Perl. I use Pure Data a lot now, which is the open source version of Max. However, the learning curve was STEEP, steeper than a normal programming language, in my opinion. Took about a year I guess, before the paradigm really seemed natural for doing programming type tasks and not just hooking up audio streams. ~David On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >Have you considered ChucK? It might be very well suited to what you > >are doing... > >~David > > > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ > > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to > avoid loud annoying clicks. > > In my more recent efforts one goal was to avoid any kind of learning > curve although by this point in time Chuck looks pretty straight > forward to me. > > Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical > challenges.. > > "while( now < later )" > > What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc etc > etc > > > My script at this point is extremely portable assuming your sound input > is in text file format ..hehe > > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. > > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably > proceed to add the wav capabilities. > > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. > > I have toyed with the idea of getting back into MAX but now I may have > too.. thanks > > Adrian > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:16:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40263-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85345 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:16:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 85335 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:16:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:03 -0400 From: rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [141.153.193.59] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 01:16:03.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[803F9470:01C6E1D2] well, gee, I guess we should bend the rules because your ire is up. uh, huh. Today's Quotation: "I don't care where I sit, as long as I get fed." Calvin Trillin xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] our microsound list Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:34 -0700 >It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our >"let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural >production" list... it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 no brag, just fact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:15:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40262-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84104 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:15:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 84092 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:15:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hmm.. I would neve rhave guessed that ;-) From the homepage.. ".microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing (dsp) tools. ..microsound is not a "genre" mailing list, since this proliferation has occurred largely without regard for stylistic boundary. instead, ..microsound presents itself as a forum for the discussion and exploration of a more general "digital aesthetic" manifesting across a wide variety of styles and disciplines -- from academic computer music to post-industrial noise to experimental ambient and post-techno. " I guess one could translate style into philosophy but some of the threads in question don't seem to ever stay on track of connecting these philosophies to music. Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism relate to a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our > > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in > cultural > > production" list... > > it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a > > 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and > philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list > which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 > no brag, just fact > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:09:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40261-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81222 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:09:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 81212 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:09:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Have you considered ChucK? It might be very well suited to what you >are doing... >~David Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to avoid loud annoying clicks. In my more recent efforts one goal was to avoid any kind of learning curve although by this point in time Chuck looks pretty straight forward to me. Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical challenges.. "while( now < later )" What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc etc etc My script at this point is extremely portable assuming your sound input is in text file format ..hehe Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am performing live more than ever. I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably proceed to add the wav capabilities. Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. I have toyed with the idea of getting back into MAX but now I may have too.. thanks Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:52:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40260-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74985 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:52:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 74973 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:52:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:34 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] our microsound list To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > production" list... it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 no brag, just fact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:47:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40259-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72352 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 72332 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:46:51 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the discussion? kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about politics is actually good for you... or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start your own list... and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you can take *that* elsewhere thank you el hefe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:22:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40258-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61894 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:22:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 61882 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:22:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:22:38 -0600 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] One more Cage story In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One more story from John Cage: At the New School once I was substituting for Henry Cowell, teaching a class in Oriental music. I had told him I didn’t know anything about the subject. He said, “That’s all right. Just go where the records are. Take one out. Play it and then discuss it with the class.” Well, I took out the first record. It was an LP of a Buddhist service. It began with a short microtonal chant with sliding tones, then soon settled into a single loud reiterated percussive beat. This noise continued relentlessly for about fifteen minutes with no perceptible variation. A lady got up and screamed, and then yelled, “Take it off. I can’t bear it any longer.” I took it off. A man in the class then said angrily, “Why’d you take it off? I was just getting interested.” Many other Cage stories here: http://www.lcdf.org/indeterminacy/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:19:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40257-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60157 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:19:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 60123 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:19:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5032 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ntxAUC8QG606/rGhmHIfHg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ntxAUC8QG606/rGhmHIfHg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can we take scissors to this thread? Make sound, make noise...... Snip, snip, snip. --Boundary_(ID_ntxAUC8QG606/rGhmHIfHg)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:27:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40256-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40235 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:27:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 40225 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:27:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:27:36 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Making sound with Perl- Was:Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V+uXy3Qe9oTIhk4Hr6Gg3Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=M1TpqYt4vNKBJ+6zjbebyJ3cfG8LqZOSs5//cQA71ZHegWzMaBQLdDmDh6moVIA1KIdNS3OySD3wL+DvgMkT3G21ii6nqgV11On4ATqea3+A7ZfPOa0OO1/+hg8vIiwsioOwRotQFbr0OWYT4kOmdn9TtBOKA2PLwSFqiMDyO/U= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_V+uXy3Qe9oTIhk4Hr6Gg3Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i really didnt care about myspace. i was interested for a while, then i began to follow my own advice and stopped following the thread. frankly, i am not interested in getting into an argument about arguments, so that wraps up my involvement with this matter. .. On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Given that hardly anyone wants to talk about sound on this list then > what the hell.. but where were you when people were up in arms about > people posting their myspace links??? > > To recap people may or may not object to the submatter that is offtopic > but that is trumped by the fact that it may or may not generate large > amounts of mail and people may or may not wish to get digests because > they they cannot sort messages by thread. > > Anyway anybody want to talk about making sound with Perl?? > > Adrian > > --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > see, rebecca, this: > > > > > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in > > cultural > > > > > > production" list... > > > > > > > > is snarky. > > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have > > to read > > the thread. > > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters > > being > > discussed. > > so the objection seems pointless. > > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > > matters > > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them > > and who > > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and > > how they > > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) > > and > > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one > > thing > > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > > doing. > > > > > > stephen > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_V+uXy3Qe9oTIhk4Hr6Gg3Q)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:26:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40255-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38913 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:26:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 38903 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:26:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:26:19 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Making sound with Perl- Was:Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NgzK2ifdOdHPWxmBJ5nq8vjI/iqEOKpmskovR2HNW0QtfpPbMQxoBCesrI5rYSVxPYO55rgzxSQBmvr0KranOAmiqSwNe/dqptfYhh98pH0KYTXN2+Ydvg3XgwW2hHMPUciB00OcLrXlIBEh5IXdqDoqh+D32d+Q+v2LF509MPU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've written generative MIDI files with Python - never Perl though. Have you made sound with Perl? How did you do it, and why Perl? ~David On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Anyway anybody want to talk about making sound with Perl?? > > Adrian > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:24:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40254-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36730 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:23:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 36711 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:23:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Making sound with Perl- Was:Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Given that hardly anyone wants to talk about sound on this list then what the hell.. but where were you when people were up in arms about people posting their myspace links??? To recap people may or may not object to the submatter that is offtopic but that is trumped by the fact that it may or may not generate large amounts of mail and people may or may not wish to get digests because they they cannot sort messages by thread. Anyway anybody want to talk about making sound with Perl?? Adrian --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > see, rebecca, this: > > > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in > cultural > > > > production" list... > > > > is snarky. > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have > to read > the thread. > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters > being > discussed. > so the objection seems pointless. > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > matters > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them > and who > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and > how they > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) > and > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one > thing > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > doing. > > > stephen > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:14:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40253-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31711 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:14:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 31699 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:14:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:14:29 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qYZxtfFQpuf91EjHGgpZtg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JnfCqGhO/DbNSoHab3JJRLwXcJRQBOkD3E9tPPDye3Dg6uWR0Aa5YHgPv4vEVDGIyLQPwV4gxhL2PQ7Vc3o8wc0N4iXr7FBlJRfNJ93Cb34IYY4SXSV4F4OBZIx3h6NNA2G8njM+nbct4rloVQZUi+VYLE/gl0rjEf95q2JBo4g= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qYZxtfFQpuf91EjHGgpZtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit see, rebecca, this: > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > > production" list... is snarky. if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have to read the thread. it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters being discussed. so the objection seems pointless. and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such matters by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not understand themselves as being separated from the world around them and who wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and how they do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) and wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one thing and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or doing. stephen --Boundary_(ID_qYZxtfFQpuf91EjHGgpZtg)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 22:43:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40252-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18891 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:43:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 18880 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:43:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:43:10 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hjrOw+s9nzBqsmoAt1zFhUOWeuNWeBni43hy2EVV6Xn+BIxXH8lCaS/+1BY1NDCCMNghBR2RBc6ZHMzq63cDSc2m7813RhkPW7ot5sIEW+DqUCZ3NY/wfydEjZ7gD8kZcqQWhn7NNFDQsFFmkfx2hDGCRHWXpgLZ11/PVC0UrV8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, i'm sick of all the ism-ists. ~Kyle On 9/26/06, rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > production" list... I'm sure we can find a large number of those, for when > we're so inclined. > > Today's Quotation: > "I used to be easy going. Now I'm just easy." Mr.M, after ten shots of > tequila. > xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort. > i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the > relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is > somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural > production... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 22:32:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40251-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13734 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:31:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 13722 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:31:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:31:42 -0400 From: rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [141.153.193.59] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2006 22:31:44.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B8D6030:01C6E1BB] It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural production" list... I'm sure we can find a large number of those, for when we're so inclined. Today's Quotation: "I used to be easy going. Now I'm just easy." Mr.M, after ten shots of tequila. xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort. i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural production... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 22:26:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40250-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9762 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 9746 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:25:51 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <001101c6e1b6$3c1cdda0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mnrFSCkgSMBwlafcdongsA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fNVWW89EqP4JsT7r4WRA5sgbX2FPUxsxQtJZ4siiaqzIePrlAEVcwucAL4lxqR4P2lmg2WF8QQbYzXqKH76ywwsSfx5JDSX/R87Hi+Kqf8AMwzg3YLeVON765ClriXtTYxSseeTKAflQ7FI/kv9QDySw3LBmFLsPDw0PO73dBxU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001101c6e1b6$3c1cdda0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mnrFSCkgSMBwlafcdongsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort. i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural production. as for the last thread on this topic--maybe it will function as an object lesson and would result in a more coherent and less needlessly snarky discussion this time. if people disagree about how to characterise the contexts.....then so what? they disagree......disagreement can be constructive even....it is possible to maintain civility across disagreement...if that breaks down, the problem is not the disagreement but how folk choose to comport themselves in the face of it. that was the problem in the last thread, not the subject matter. On 9/26/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Lovely discussion, really. > Much more sanity than the last completely off topic geopolitical thread. > > But given that it is totally off topic, > and given the ludicrous mudfest that the last one became, > can we maybe nix this one? > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bryan garcia" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization > > > > can we explore, for the sake of context, what other > > dynamics might be born of other global political > > systems ? > > > > i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism, > > utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems > > offer that dont get us bogged down into some other > > negative dynamic. > > > > > > also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics > > resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ? > > perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the > > types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and > > fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of > > competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ? > > examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op > > ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms > > of this same capitialistic economy. > > > > i would be interested in what people imagine can > > happen under alternative global political systems ? > > i.e.(nazism ?) > > > > and if those systems can function any better than > > global capitalism has. > > > > theoritcally, > > > > b.g. > > > > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces > >> of progress that > >> sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to > >> activate intense > >> reterritorializations, such as violent > >> fundamentalisms and > >> nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally > >> generated by > >> global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are > >> not a form of > >> resistance to modernization, but are part of the > >> same dynamic. > >> Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some > >> ahistorical, > >> eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global > >> political-economic > >> system in its current form. Different > >> political-economic systems would > >> generate different dynamics. > >> > >> ~David > >> > >> On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > >> > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be > >> satisfied > >> > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict > >> between > >> > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of > >> phenomena > >> > under the rubric of modernization, we project a > >> future that > >> > will be purified in a certain direction. With only > >> the > >> > craven desire for stability to overcome, the > >> victory of > >> > modernization seems assured, and the world must > >> progress > >> > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the > >> commercial, the > >> > secular, the individual, and the international. > >> There is, > >> > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious > >> resistance > >> > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the > >> creative, the > >> > sacred, the collective, and the local. This > >> countervailing > >> > force is underestimated because we have not yet > >> learned, as > >> > we have with modernization, to gather its > >> disparate signs > >> > under one label. Oppositional actions do not > >> connect > >> > directly; they align independently in negative > >> response to > >> > modernization, the force also called, depending > >> upon > >> > context, progress, development, secularization, > >> > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. > >> The goal > >> > is not maintenance; the orientation is > >> progressive, but the > >> > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to > >> imagine > >> > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies > >> involving > >> > handicraft, the concern for environmental > >> conservation and > >> > historic preservation, the profusion of civic > >> festivals, the > >> > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of > >> nativism, > >> > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary > >> values in > >> > politics and education, the convergence of > >> alternative > >> > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious > >> revival, the > >> > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in > >> Buddhism, > >> > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to > >> encompass: > >> > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on > >> Indian > >> > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built > >> in > >> > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in > >> Japan, new > >> > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and > >> Romania, > >> > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political > >> order in Iran, > >> > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, > >> fundamentalism > >> > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in > >> > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, > >> Saraswati Puja > >> > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, > >> name it > >> > revitalization, and it is a power to balance > >> modernization. > >> > > >> > brad brace sound: > >> > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > >> > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Tue Sep 26 21:54:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40249-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96877 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 96867 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:34:09 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001101c6e1b6$3c1cdda0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Lovely discussion, really. Much more sanity than the last completely off topic geopolitical thread. But given that it is totally off topic, and given the ludicrous mudfest that the last one became, can we maybe nix this one? ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan garcia" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization > can we explore, for the sake of context, what other > dynamics might be born of other global political > systems ? > > i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism, > utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems > offer that dont get us bogged down into some other > negative dynamic. > > > also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics > resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ? > perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the > types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and > fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of > competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ? > examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op > ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms > of this same capitialistic economy. > > i would be interested in what people imagine can > happen under alternative global political systems ? > i.e.(nazism ?) > > and if those systems can function any better than > global capitalism has. > > theoritcally, > > b.g. > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces >> of progress that >> sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to >> activate intense >> reterritorializations, such as violent >> fundamentalisms and >> nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally >> generated by >> global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are >> not a form of >> resistance to modernization, but are part of the >> same dynamic. >> Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some >> ahistorical, >> eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global >> political-economic >> system in its current form. Different >> political-economic systems would >> generate different dynamics. >> >> ~David >> >> On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> >> wrote: >> > >> > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a >> > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be >> satisfied >> > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict >> between >> > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of >> phenomena >> > under the rubric of modernization, we project a >> future that >> > will be purified in a certain direction. With only >> the >> > craven desire for stability to overcome, the >> victory of >> > modernization seems assured, and the world must >> progress >> > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the >> commercial, the >> > secular, the individual, and the international. >> There is, >> > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious >> resistance >> > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the >> creative, the >> > sacred, the collective, and the local. This >> countervailing >> > force is underestimated because we have not yet >> learned, as >> > we have with modernization, to gather its >> disparate signs >> > under one label. Oppositional actions do not >> connect >> > directly; they align independently in negative >> response to >> > modernization, the force also called, depending >> upon >> > context, progress, development, secularization, >> > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. >> The goal >> > is not maintenance; the orientation is >> progressive, but the >> > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to >> imagine >> > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies >> involving >> > handicraft, the concern for environmental >> conservation and >> > historic preservation, the profusion of civic >> festivals, the >> > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of >> nativism, >> > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary >> values in >> > politics and education, the convergence of >> alternative >> > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious >> revival, the >> > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in >> Buddhism, >> > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to >> encompass: >> > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on >> Indian >> > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built >> in >> > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in >> Japan, new >> > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and >> Romania, >> > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political >> order in Iran, >> > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, >> fundamentalism >> > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in >> > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, >> Saraswati Puja >> > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, >> name it >> > revitalization, and it is a power to balance >> modernization. >> > >> > brad brace sound: >> > http://69.64.229.114:8000 >> > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> > >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Tue Sep 26 21:19:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40248-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83108 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:19:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 83081 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:19:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0OmXfe0X8F4KS0Xa1KHhbvUFWkeDAe2rW/VPNGXtaoES9Duf4R2PiTyeN9vgZm4DpPhpaEcRS+qbKqo1BEIWCggFA7/u3TIdhZq7yUp0nYcWAo0zflh5aFZBlwBUo1Z679yeR8kUfsDuMUQqQWhQsl5vLkORZ0fAeqd/9NVbfkA= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx can we explore, for the sake of context, what other dynamics might be born of other global political systems ? i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism, utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems offer that dont get us bogged down into some other negative dynamic. also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ? perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ? examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms of this same capitialistic economy. i would be interested in what people imagine can happen under alternative global political systems ? i.e.(nazism ?) and if those systems can function any better than global capitalism has. theoritcally, b.g. --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces > of progress that > sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to > activate intense > reterritorializations, such as violent > fundamentalisms and > nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally > generated by > global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are > not a form of > resistance to modernization, but are part of the > same dynamic. > Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some > ahistorical, > eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global > political-economic > system in its current form. Different > political-economic systems would > generate different dynamics. > > ~David > > On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be > satisfied > > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict > between > > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of > phenomena > > under the rubric of modernization, we project a > future that > > will be purified in a certain direction. With only > the > > craven desire for stability to overcome, the > victory of > > modernization seems assured, and the world must > progress > > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the > commercial, the > > secular, the individual, and the international. > There is, > > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious > resistance > > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the > creative, the > > sacred, the collective, and the local. This > countervailing > > force is underestimated because we have not yet > learned, as > > we have with modernization, to gather its > disparate signs > > under one label. Oppositional actions do not > connect > > directly; they align independently in negative > response to > > modernization, the force also called, depending > upon > > context, progress, development, secularization, > > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. > The goal > > is not maintenance; the orientation is > progressive, but the > > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to > imagine > > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies > involving > > handicraft, the concern for environmental > conservation and > > historic preservation, the profusion of civic > festivals, the > > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of > nativism, > > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary > values in > > politics and education, the convergence of > alternative > > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious > revival, the > > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in > Buddhism, > > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to > encompass: > > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on > Indian > > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built > in > > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in > Japan, new > > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and > Romania, > > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political > order in Iran, > > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, > fundamentalism > > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in > > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, > Saraswati Puja > > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, > name it > > revitalization, and it is a power to balance > modernization. > > > > brad brace sound: > > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Tue Sep 26 18:13:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40247-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96529 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:13:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 96519 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:13:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:13:15 -0500 From: Thomas Yager-Madden <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FwRsvynn4XVULSyjLHiYYpFpz7ewu5H0UgGFK/uRtYB0CGG0qXmff0ejwhNuBqoW99mObBpui8gooBqX5LhTcBeqt0ggUEDp5WBZyPL4bkw+usz7ucFfZ8FOSxtDeUBB7C/KMy5MN8cr/qmkx0qe6FMZqYKFzc/E6N60/WoF1UQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena > under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that > will be purified in a certain direction. ... what --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 15:46:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40246-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36687 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:45:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 36676 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:45:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:45:48 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DdUl7OYd4gi6CkvSD3+fi4MNClt80LpJfSHlJxsxzIY9t1xRJmwMUn+oxn8KNOROP1cIipii4uH1vVZNe2+GaD907Xbc/9vY3UQQalFoBKnT9NDZjUIJSo2VI7f0MXUN9YCwkL+7ZMg9ZnUJ/x9E2XdCmfEdO+FI0f7rUTD5p2I= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces of progress that sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to activate intense reterritorializations, such as violent fundamentalisms and nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally generated by global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are not a form of resistance to modernization, but are part of the same dynamic. Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some ahistorical, eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global political-economic system in its current form. Different political-economic systems would generate different dynamics. ~David On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena > under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that > will be purified in a certain direction. With only the > craven desire for stability to overcome, the victory of > modernization seems assured, and the world must progress > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the commercial, the > secular, the individual, and the international. There is, > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious resistance > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the creative, the > sacred, the collective, and the local. This countervailing > force is underestimated because we have not yet learned, as > we have with modernization, to gather its disparate signs > under one label. Oppositional actions do not connect > directly; they align independently in negative response to > modernization, the force also called, depending upon > context, progress, development, secularization, > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. The goal > is not maintenance; the orientation is progressive, but the > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to imagine > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies involving > handicraft, the concern for environmental conservation and > historic preservation, the profusion of civic festivals, the > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of nativism, > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary values in > politics and education, the convergence of alternative > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious revival, the > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in Buddhism, > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to encompass: > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on Indian > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built in > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in Japan, new > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and Romania, > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political order in Iran, > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, fundamentalism > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, Saraswati Puja > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, name it > revitalization, and it is a power to balance modernization. > > brad brace sound: > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 14:49:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40245-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13513 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 13503 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that will be purified in a certain direction. With only the craven desire for stability to overcome, the victory of modernization seems assured, and the world must progress toward the mechanized, the artificial, the commercial, the secular, the individual, and the international. There is, however, an oppositional force of self-conscious resistance on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the creative, the sacred, the collective, and the local. This countervailing force is underestimated because we have not yet learned, as we have with modernization, to gather its disparate signs under one label. Oppositional actions do not connect directly; they align independently in negative response to modernization, the force also called, depending upon context, progress, development, secularization, industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. The goal is not maintenance; the orientation is progressive, but the dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to imagine the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies involving handicraft, the concern for environmental conservation and historic preservation, the profusion of civic festivals, the resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of nativism, and nationalism, the institution of reactionary values in politics and education, the convergence of alternative ideology and spiritual yearning in religious revival, the new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to encompass: The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on Indian television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built in Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in Japan, new music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and Romania, rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political order in Iran, rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, fundamentalism in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, Saraswati Puja at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, name it revitalization, and it is a power to balance modernization. brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 12:16:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40244-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59619 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:16:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 59602 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:16:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:16:13 +0300 From: gig_dept <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 20 Sep 2006 21:10:53 -0000 Issue 1682 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000601c6e165$8f0e8dc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Mail-Scanner: Scanned by qSheff 1.0 (http://www.enderunix.org/qsheff/) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx tr ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: microsound Digest 20 Sep 2006 21:10:53 -0000 Issue 1682 > microsound Digest 20 Sep 2006 21:10:53 -0000 Issue 1682 > > Topics (messages 40215 through 40223): > > Re: degree programs in digital music? > 40215 by: Graham Miller > 40216 by: mcnafong.mnsi.net > > reminder > 40217 by: Kim Cascone > > Windows version of IanniX released > 40218 by: Cyrill > 40219 by: discos invisibles > 40220 by: Cyrill > 40221 by: Cyrill > 40222 by: Sune Smek > 40223 by: wind.mikrokiko.de > > Administrivia: > > To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > To post to the list, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:21 -0400 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? > Message-Id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > > not to be confused with york university in toronto which is still not > aware that technology and music have anything to do with each other:) > > g. > > On 17-Sep-06, at 5:05 AM, Peter Worth wrote: > >> i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York >> (UK). The music research centre there is excellent: >> http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/ >> >> On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced >>> degrees >>> in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of >>> ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are >>> particularly >>> strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music >>> theorist, >>> but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, >>> and am >>> doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to >>> mention a few of these programs in my research. >>> >>> Thanks so much, >>> Arielle Saiber >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:25:40 -0400 > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > From: "xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? > Message-ID: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> > > The University of Michigan has a "Performing Arts and Technology" degree > that is under the umbrella of the=20 > School of Music here=2E Students also take courses in Screen Arts and > Cultures - in particular Digital Media=20 > courses=2E There are a number of students who are working in Electronic > Mu= > sic > and Electro-acoustic=2E > > cheers > > Chris > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Graham Miller xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eca > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:21 -0400 > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg > Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music=3F > > not to be confused with york university in toronto which is still not =20 > aware that technology and music have anything to do with each other:) > > g=2E > > On 17-Sep-06, at 5:05 AM, Peter Worth wrote: > >> i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York >> (UK)=2E The music research centre there is excellent: >> http://music=2Eyork=2Eac=2Euk/mrc/ >> >> On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx=2Eedu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced =20 >>> degrees >>> in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of >>> ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are =20 >>> particularly >>> strong in digital music=2E I am neither a musician nor a music =20 >>> theorist, >>> but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, =20 >>> and am >>> doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory=2E I'd like to= > >>> mention a few of these programs in my research=2E >>> >>> Thanks so much, >>> Arielle Saiber >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >>> website: http://www=2Emicrosound=2Eorg >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >> website: http://www=2Emicrosound=2Eorg > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg > website: http://www=2Emicrosound=2Eorg > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:30:44 -0700 > To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: reminder > Message-Id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > folks, > a reminder: there is no cross-posting or announcements allowed on > this main list...if you have something you want to promote please > post it to the announcements list...see the microsound website for > info on how to sub... > thanks > KIM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:49:30 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > --0-1004931006-1158720570=:11534 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hello > > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > windows users. > > You can find it at: > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > Please report us any bug you may find... > > Yours, > Cyrill. > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > --0-1004931006-1158720570=:11534-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:26:21 -0700 > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: "discos invisibles" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> > > I receive an error message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> Hello >> >> This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> windows users. >> >> You can find it at: >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> >> Please report us any bug you may find... >> >> Yours, >> Cyrill. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1¢/min. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:34:55 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > --0-2041192334-1158726895=:33513 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > OK, thanks for the bug report. I'll try to fix it asap. > > Meanwhile I think it should work if you install mingw, available from > sourceforge at: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mingw/MinGW-5.0.3.exe?download > > Cyrill > > discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" > To: "microsound" > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> Hello >> >> This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> windows users. >> >> You can find it at: >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> >> Please report us any bug you may find... >> >> Yours, >> Cyrill. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1¢/min. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > --0-2041192334-1158726895=:33513-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:22:13 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > --0-2064075479-1158740533=:81462 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hello > this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > pcs and i cannot really test it... > > Cyrill. > > discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" > To: "microsound" > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> Hello >> >> This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> windows users. >> >> You can find it at: >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> >> Please report us any bug you may find... >> >> Yours, >> Cyrill. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1¢/min. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > --0-2064075479-1158740533=:81462-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: "Sune Smek" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > ------=_Part_114353_27032641.1158743568387 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Hello >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows >> pcs and i cannot really test it... >> >> Cyrill. >> >> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cyrill" >> To: "microsound" >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released >> >> >> > Hello >> > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> > windows users. >> > >> > You can find it at: >> > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D174402&package_i= > d=3D204701&release_id=3D448751 >> > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... >> > >> > Yours, >> > Cyrill. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> > rates starting at 1=A2/min. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. >> > > ------=_Part_114353_27032641.1158743568387-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:03:32 +0200 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xx-xxxxxx.xx> > > hi; > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > download it from > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > j ,. > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. >> >> On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows >>> pcs and i cannot really test it... >>> >>> Cyrill. >>> >>> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error >>> message while installing 'unable to locate component' >>> (mingwm10.dll was not found) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cyrill" >>> To: "microsound" >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM >>> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released >>> >>> >>> > Hello >>> > >>> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >>> > windows users. >>> > >>> > You can find it at: >>> > >>> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >>> > >>> > Please report us any bug you may find... >>> > >>> > Yours, >>> > Cyrill. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Mon Sep 25 23:56:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40243-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46279 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:56:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 46266 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:56:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:27 -0400 From: doug van nort <xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, i am currently a late-stage phd candidate in McGill music tech and so know a thing or two about the place.... in short, i feel it is a strong program that focuses on a scientific/engineering approach to the intersection of music and technology (i.e. you need a decent math/sci background to be considered for the grad programs). it might be for you if you want to do scientific research in the following areas: -analysis/synthesis and spectral processing of sound -physical modeling of sound, esp. using a waveguide approach -control/controller/sensor/gesture analysis based work -music perception/cognition -music information retrieval if you mean the undergrad program, it is more a mixture of theory (e.g. dsp) and music/media practice. For the major you need to be admitted to the music school, for the minor (i believe) you simply need to be admitted by music tech. you can ask me more off-list if you'd like to know more details. good luck doug On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology program > offered at McGill University in Montreal? > > I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following > year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) > > thank you kindly! > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 23:24:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40242-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35959 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:23:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 35947 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:23:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:23:50 -0600 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Jarboe wrote: > Oooh tell us a John Cage zen story (?) > > -b Music and mushrooms: two words next to one another in many dictionaries. Where did he write /The Three-Penny Opera?/ Now he’s buried below the grass at the foot of High Tor. Once the season changes from summer to fall, given sufficient rain, or just the mysterious dampness that’s in the earth, mushrooms grow there, carrying on, I am sure, his business of working with sounds. That we have no ears to hear the music the spores shot off from basidia make obliges us to busy ourselves microphonically. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 22:37:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40241-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18735 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:36:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 18725 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:36:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:36:50 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.21 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QyN9LctKoPr/KgxC3ohrOX7YU+Z4sWDgyo8P1CpuaU++uI0oSEXSuwzrkLh9BfB/; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609d6d09b950b23d2a1637de9882c55fa32350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oooh tell us a John Cage zen story (?) -b On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Thomas Ashcraft wrote: > > I went to school at McGill in the early 1970s and graduated in 1975. I > remember spending many hours in the music library listening room in > the music school on Sherbrooke Street, under headphones listening to > vinyl records of John Cage zen stories, Stockhausen, Charles Ives, > folkways field recordings, Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, on and on. > Sweet memories. I also heard some interesting and challenging > concerts during those years there at McGill like low volumed Morton > Feldman pieces and other works. But I don't remember much > technological nor electronic music! > > Wish I could give you further info. Good luck in any case. > > Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 20:29:25 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40240-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57057 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:29:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 57043 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:29:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:29:05 -0600 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I went to school at McGill in the early 1970s and graduated in 1975. I remember spending many hours in the music library listening room in the music school on Sherbrooke Street, under headphones listening to vinyl records of John Cage zen stories, Stockhausen, Charles Ives, folkways field recordings, Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, on and on. Sweet memories. I also heard some interesting and challenging concerts during those years there at McGill like low volumed Morton Feldman pieces and other works. But I don't remember much technological nor electronic music! Wish I could give you further info. Good luck in any case. Tom > > On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > >> Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology program >> offered at McGill University in Montreal? >> >> I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following >> year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) >> >> thank you kindly! >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 19:48:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40239-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33571 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:48:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 33557 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:48:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:48:11 -0400 From: Owen Meyers <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i finished my bachelor of music with honours in music technology at mcgill a couple of years ago, so i was very much involved with the music technology deptartment. first off, mcgill is a great school and montreal an even better city. when i was there they were still developing their program and in the process of hiring new faculty members. but i believe they now have a very strong program. depending on your interests, there's ichiro fujinaga for mir, philippe depalle for dsp, marcelo wanderley for gestural control, and gary scavone for audio synthesis. there is also cirmmt, the centre for interdisciplinary research in music media and technology, and a great sound recording department. they also recently built a new music building, though i'm not sure if the music tech dept has moved in yet. i didn't stick around for the masters degree because i found the graduate workspace to be a bit cramped and tucked away in the back corner of the music building. however, i'm sure things have changed now that they have the new building. On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology > program offered at McGill University in Montreal? > > I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following > year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) > > thank you kindly! > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 00:41:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40238-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5295 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:40:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 5284 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:40:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:36:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Connexion Bizarre Newsletter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Connexion Bizarre Newsletter 2006-09-25 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Connexion Bizarre Newsletter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20060925023443.31611788.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Dada Mail 2.9.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bFLVQkLLkBH3XXnXU37rUQ)"; charset=iso-8859-1 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx List: connexion List-URL: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/connexion/> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at netside.nl X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Owner: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/s/connexion/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Archive: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/connexion/> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Id: <connexion.masteen.netside.nl> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_bFLVQkLLkBH3XXnXU37rUQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Connexion Bizarre Greetings, The *Connexion Bizarre (dot) net* website was updated on 2006-09-25 with a new webcast, new reviews, and a few recommended links. Reviewed this week were rian English "Beyond Words", C/A/T "ATF", Coreline "Please Keep Moving Forward". This week's webcast, features "Unspeakable terrors from beyond space and time" with music selection by DJ Fork Surgery and DJ Istabmyhead and "Parachutes are for pussies!" with music selection by M.. Also this week, we announce the winners of the CD "Materia Oscura" give-away competition (see below for details). Don't hesitate to contact us with questions, constructive comments, suggestions and even potential requests for the online radio, etc. Best regards, the Connexion Bizarre crew (*www.connexionbizarre.net*) We had four copies of the compilation "Materia Oscura" to give away, courtesy of the Sistinas record label. This label sampler compilation contains tracks by Vuxnut, Broken Fabiola, The Operative, Hazing Ritual and others. The winners were: Derek W. (uk), Nidia S. (pt), Boris B. (be) and David H. (uk)/. *Connexion Bizarre events status:* *"Dungeon Pop"* @ "Justine" bar /30/09, saturday, 10.00pm-4.00am; Rua de Cedofeita, 516, Porto./ M. & João present a selection of fetish soundtracks, dungeon music, dark ambient, angstpop and ritual music. *"Bodypop"* @ "Era Uma Vez No Porto" bar /14/10, saturday, 10.30pm-3.00am; Rua do Passeio Alegre, 550, Porto./ Menu: synthpop, electropop, idm-pop, porn-pop, bodypop! *Connexion Bizarre radio show @ Radio Zero* The Connexion Bizarre radio show can be streamed every Friday at 23:00 GMT and Saturday at 19:00 GMT from Radio Zero. Music selection follows each week's second part of our webcast. Webcast *Part 1 - *Click here to stream or right-click to download** ("Unspeakable terrors from beyond space and time" with music selection by DJ Fork Surgery and DJ Istabmyhead) *Mad EP - /Hz*/ [/Eating movies/ - Ad Noiseam] *Cacheflowe - /Phunkdaphonies*/ [Automate everything/ - Nobot Media] *Antipop Consortium - /Laundry*/ [/Tragic Epilogue/ - 75 Ark Records] *Amon Tobin - /Four Ton Mantis*/ [/Supermodified/ - Ninja Tune] *Dälek - /Images of .44 Casings*/ [/Negro Necro Nekros/ - Gern Blandsten] *Venetian Snares vs Bong-ra - /Felbomlasztott Mentokocsi (Bong-ra remix)*/ [/4 adaptations of rossz csillag alatt szÜletett/ - Planet Mu] *Squarepusher - /Iambic 9 Poetry*/ [/Ultravisitor/ - Warp Records] *Dead Hollywood Stars - /Mojo*/ [/Gone West/ - Mad Monkey Records] *cEvin Key - /cccc4*/ [/tHe gHost oF eAch rOom/ - Metropolis Records] *Kattoo - /6*/ [/Megrim/ - Hymen Records] *Part 2 - *Click here to stream or right-click to download** ("Parachutes are for pussies!" with music selection by M.) *Terretron - /Hunger/* [/Wither/ - The Pandemic] *ESA - /Satan Is Real/* [/Devotion, Denial, and Discipline/ - Hive Records] *Ybrid - /Ogdoas/* [/Khaos De Viscera/ - Ark-Aïk] *Coreline - /Point Of Transience (3)/* [/Please Keep Moving Forward/ - InfeKted Sound] *Prometheus Burning - /When The Past Becomes Present/* [/Beyond Repair/ - Hive Records] *Hazing Ritual - /Evil Concentrate/* [/V/A - Materia Oscura/ - Sistinas] *Lewsor vs. Chrysalide - /Noxious Circus/* [/V/A - Noxious Art Will Never Die!!!/ - Audiotrauma] *Endif - /Antilife/* [/Meta/ - Crunch Pod] *Oil 10 - /X Fleet/* [/Beyond/ - Funk Welten] *Cheerleader69 vs. Sonic Area - /We'll Never Die/* [/V/A - Noxious Art Will Never Die!!!/ - Audiotrauma] *Postmorder[N]XS - /TelephoneMute/* [/Somnambulizing EP/ - self-released] *Bardoseneticcube & Igor V. Petrov - /Songong/* [/The Perpetuum Mobile Space Vehicle/ - Mechanoise Labs] *Listen to the Webcast* Reviews *Brian English - /Beyond Words/* In analogy to the album title, this is one of those purely enjoyable albums, though the words don't come to explain why it's so enjoyable. It is truly 'beyond words'. *Read more* *C/A/T - /ATF/* C/A/T, may set out to make "Music to Piss You Off", but with "ATF", they only succeed in making perhaps the strongest Power Noise release of the year, if not one of the strongest hard electronic releases, period. *Read more* *Coreline - /Please Keep Moving Forward/* While it may not be everyone's cup of tea, this album will surely have adepts among those that favour intense unrelenting aural pummellings on the dancefloor, who will find this release to be 'just what the doctor ordered'. *Read more* Recently added links U-Clic, electronic musicians Monochrome Vision, record label Industrialmusic.ru, Russian Industrial music portal I.M.A.N., organization and multi-media Art festival. *Latest recommended links* "How Hitler Became a Dictator" In other news, those who don't learn from History are doomed to repeat it. "No window to the world - intellectuals in Britain are cut off from global debate by the obtuse imperialism of the English language" "Debates & Controversies - the Doomsday Code", Channel 4 documentary proving once more that quite a few people are funny in the head and are in positions of power... --Boundary_(ID_bFLVQkLLkBH3XXnXU37rUQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Sep 24 23:18:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40237-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80074 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:18:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 80047 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:18:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: t p <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qKDMNx3a3nwGUi9ThELVtg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5QFdBKFNx6gDWqmqwrRxvNfQlc8IVNQ5K4vHXTb+dcanLbnb+xsNyWLoMWfD1ziqz8p5xnQs+vyn0ATChFPHAoxAcqyV+EJBgKY9HAF2CkcXAYp/p0YkpcQsiBiXHoIOLQz1QkQ7RCIK1AWJpmUvr1B1BqrDQ9JC9JJY71j8pI4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qKDMNx3a3nwGUi9ThELVtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology program offered at McGill University in Montreal? I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) thank you kindly! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --Boundary_(ID_qKDMNx3a3nwGUi9ThELVtg)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 23 17:32:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40236-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52949 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:32:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 52938 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:32:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GeRfZoqikKIm9/LkYO4T0w)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xhekSogZMOHyqhF0f0fD1u1xBmt4gBSQlxnJPMoikkgndJhQ1pr6kErvbCT/V/plEdn1Hu6dvK9Fd/XnCoUS8HSDJ9qc0nWZ4mnfrAiwSeHL89ziaAoaJnVExdsjDpAvpOo1gBCeOBldCock7Nem7pVtca+1WCSqK0701iSLGmY= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GeRfZoqikKIm9/LkYO4T0w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi could you send me the xml file of your score so i can check this here? cyrill David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Also, I have PD open ready to receive OSC, and I have some triggers in the score. But the play button doesn't do anything. Is there some missing step? On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > Hi > > could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... > > c > > > David Powers wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first > questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to > getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. > ~David > > On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > > > cyrill > > > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > > ~David > > > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > Hi > > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > > It should work... > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > C > > > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > > -t > > > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > > hi; > > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > > download it from > > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello > > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > > >> > > > > >> Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > > >> > windows users. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yours, > > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > > >> > Talk is cheap. 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Check it out. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > > http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ > > > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > > > > > so hows life > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. 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Sat Sep 23 17:02:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40235-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43325 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:02:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 43315 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:02:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:02:25 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TS18InCZZ1cHLc4z4avOjNIYDTlF4BZtlKVXVtU9HVYtYtO4nwH2BFeSRrG6A3BG8VoIEJSWr7bRnRM3YAfeoDtC/gJ2eiL7qUC90MLDEBHkM6msg/2rcRspp6ZonzSRh5X3QdtZmvLrY1QL0mEqt2ncd4ZZprcJhpUP0AZwCcE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Also, I have PD open ready to receive OSC, and I have some triggers in the score. But the play button doesn't do anything. Is there some missing step? On 9/22/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > > could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... > > c > > > David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first > questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to > getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. > ~David > > On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > > > cyrill > > > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > > ~David > > > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > Hi > > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > > It should work... > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > C > > > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > > -t > > > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > > hi; > > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > > download it from > > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello > > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > > >> > > > > >> Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > > >> > windows users. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yours, > > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > > > >> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------- > > > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. 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Sat Sep 23 16:55:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40234-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40602 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:55:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 40591 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:55:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:55:35 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IW8f0zkiBkKk569EXXleGFFDRQKsXAwt8XPuLjoum2+jhQ12X++Bpao71N04QOPdL2KPe9j8y1gCnc6ZklpvHKX3z5y5Hp4vTMQV+K43W5g7I8B9diJB76xsqam904qTE3VCScofeayJeF48D558f+XspV3PdqPUBMSVOOiPgpk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, I'm trying to test this right now. So far, it seems like the keyboard shortcuts don't actually do anything... I'll try with PD in a few moments. ~David On 9/22/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > > could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... > > c > > > David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first > questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to > getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. > ~David > > On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > > > cyrill > > > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > > ~David > > > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > Hi > > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > > It should work... > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > C > > > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > > -t > > > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > > hi; > > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > > download it from > > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello > > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > > >> > > > > >> Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > > >> > windows users. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yours, > > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > > >> > Talk is cheap. 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Sat Sep 23 01:54:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40233-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93857 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:53:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 93825 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:53:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vOlTZY89KApVhdy+6pKh0A)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NV7KvqHCRhtIE19VFuAOm8N/80qtPrPJwZ9PGc5c71mEBee+tq/qSoxkHIKm5gfYvd1ddH0DolmSbZWV/AiXdZazd0tkRnm2MhqUhi62rWiDEWbhgLH3T0NzO0yuI3++prTJmyS7WhpiQQ3AGum9gJCa9gYHi7jhtAPu9zua3xQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vOlTZY89KApVhdy+6pKh0A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... c David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. ~David On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > Hi > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > cyrill > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > ~David > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > It should work... > > > > yours, > > > > C > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > -t > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > hi; > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > download it from > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > >> > > > >> Cyrill. > > > >> > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hello > > > >> > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > >> > windows users. > > > >> > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > >> > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > >> > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > >> > > > > >> > Yours, > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > > >> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------- > > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ > > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > > > so hows life > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. 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Sat Sep 23 01:26:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40232-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81210 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:26:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 81200 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:26:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:26:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uOK9zRtBWrvGwCcsuih65oUh92ifLBfpXZ2sfxkXaFKYkWYdLs4JM1owoRa1Gn+YCtxE4j8lRDdlKSGrJwNbOsapB15LyQe0aVhE0RXX96pqwr9tuqGFlpRhkJCG6YhMjt82PVS1+dcGAeuf0YqloYGQx09huIoUbbXPWn4Y6Jk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. ~David On 9/22/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > cyrill > > David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > ~David > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > It should work... > > > > yours, > > > > C > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > -t > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > hi; > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > download it from > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > >> > > > >> Cyrill. > > > >> > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hello > > > >> > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > >> > windows users. > > > >> > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > >> > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > >> > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > >> > > > > >> > Yours, > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > > >> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------- > > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. 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You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 23 01:09:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40231-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73331 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:09:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 73320 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:09:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3Hl+4Yqeu57/ME0kpj2irg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p8uO4dfd41gJdgKLPtXuMaJi5fjmoS7cqx0FdSgefGoqCvCpJuT4rIgIO0achv+ByhjfBWTxhjklUe4heE0yj/yOh8/7EHCUK/PxqJ+qSqXsBJs5wdekgkMaIxGSzYTo56XWv8GUvf9hmFOKk2enOa0Ij8NQ73Pgv3ukB0v43Tc= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_3Hl+4Yqeu57/ME0kpj2irg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. cyrill David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? ~David On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > Hi > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > It should work... > > yours, > > C > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > -t > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > hi; > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > download it from > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > j ,. > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > >> > > >> Cyrill. > > >> > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > >> To: "microsound" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello > > >> > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > >> > windows users. > > >> > > > >> > You can find it at: > > >> > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > >> > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > >> > > > >> > Yours, > > >> > Cyrill. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Fri Sep 22 01:50:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40229-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29035 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:49:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 29024 invoked from network); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:49:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ojXAE6o7STjr9Arj239Tb9Z8yQAZ1BxnPl6mlFp7U8rP+hc4PXGE0dZXZGAZQ6dLlTNmH2Mmhxx8cR22dVlucYUM0lXcxc3FsGKfhMd0hCTU/mwpXk15zi/5aZVuzSHIF7cqEzgS7ngxAG5Z/biZEYho+TXPGm6TItZuacXFyKI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? ~David On 9/21/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > It should work... > > yours, > > C > > Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > -t > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > hi; > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > download it from > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > j ,. > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > >> > > >> Cyrill. > > >> > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > >> To: "microsound" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello > > >> > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > >> > windows users. > > >> > > > >> > You can find it at: > > >> > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > >> > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > >> > > > >> > Yours, > > >> > Cyrill. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > >> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------- > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. 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Fri Sep 22 00:53:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40228-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11352 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:53:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 11338 invoked from network); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:53:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rTEgGCGzz/hL7Oitw1SYZg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q3QZ3PMNOKvYDl3a81C8hBjyuEKT1KRB/PfXcqKBusv1oig5wI/6uNorujgqNeopW4UzYp4iv9efXFkxqdGmNCjWtRBY7pVkaEOgSAOatccaebv8SKPINkguOqnUUYyrvakyhYVkiV9ofzYg1iwJw+ZYhdwGV2UR5ngOr+aElMo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rTEgGCGzz/hL7Oitw1SYZg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. It should work... yours, C Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it -t On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > hi; > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > download it from > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > j ,. > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > >> > >> Hello > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > >> > >> Cyrill. > >> > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cyrill" > >> To: "microsound" > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> > >> > >> > Hello > >> > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > >> > windows users. > >> > > >> > You can find it at: > >> > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > >> > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > >> > > >> > Yours, > >> > Cyrill. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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