From Kim Cascone Sent Sat, Sep 30th 2006, 20:18
From Kim Cascone Sent Sat, Sep 30th 2006, 20:18
folks, a reminder: there is no cross-posting or announcements allowed on this main list...if you have something you want to promote please post it to the announcements list...see the microsound website for info on how to sub... thanks KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 19:03:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40374-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38417 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:03:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 38381 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:03:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:02:59 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] humorous beasts In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMtbHkWLeQEBAgcECgcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx do me a favour and define fanboy please. seems a pretty derogatory term to me and better make sure i'm not one. -d Kim Cascone wrote: >> seriously if every thread needs to include >> socialist dogma then retitle the list as "microsocialist" or something >> like that. Or at least include a warning on the homepage "all ye who >> enter beware PHD level discussion of Marxism". ;-) <- note the winking. > > some people are allergic to '-ism's' -- but then that's just another > '-ism' isn't it, since any system of ideas or opinions can be labeled > an 'ism' -- no? > > Marxist analysis is one of many critical frameworks that can be > applied to cultural discussions...and happens to be one which > determines how I 'receive' art and music... > > we all have a lens through which we color the world don't we? > > again, the microsound list was intended to be a forum for discussing > aesthetics and philosophy as applied to digital music -- so it stands > to reason that a Marxist analysis would be one of many applied to a > discussion... > > if you see absolutely no relation between music and politics - or > between art and philosophy or art and mathematics or any other > interesting graft that provokes an interesting discussion - then this > might not be the place for you...sorry, but I don't want this list > turning into a trainspotting fanboy list and I feel it's my duty to > keep the 'fanboy to philosophy' ratio adjusted according to the > founders recipe... > > and if this bugs you then the solution is very simple: start a list > that reflects your own mission... > > it's funny how when someone invokes Deleuze it isn't slapped down as > 'dogma' -- but utter the words 'Marxism' and all of a sudden > everything that comes out of your mouth is branded as diatribe or > dogma...it's just a framework -- and it happens to be my > framework...so I'm not going to stop expressing it because it makes > you uncomfortable... > > if you don't like my world view then either be polite and delete my > posts or unsub and start your own list... > > I'm not here to make your microsound experience warm and fuzzy... > > those wanting to express their opinions through the critical > frameworks of Lacanian, Marxist, Schenkerian, Structuralist, Deleuzian > etc. are encouraged to do so freely without intimidation from the > vehemently anti-intellectual among us...just ignore them and their > trolling posts... > > oh and I do have a sense a humor - but your 'winky joke' was just not > funny on any level! ;) > > respect, > KIM > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 18:15:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40373-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62800 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:15:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 62719 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:15:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] humorous beasts In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Marxist analysis is one of many critical frameworks that can be > applied to cultural discussions...and happens to be one which > determines how I 'receive' art and music... Appears to be the only framework you're interested in. But hey if that's what you like then criticize my piece "Pussyface" using the marxist framework. I'm sure that will be interesting. > we all have a lens through which we color the world don't we? > again, the microsound list was intended to be a forum for discussing > aesthetics and philosophy as applied to digital music -- so it stands > to reason that a Marxist analysis would be one of many applied to a > discussion... True enough.. but again Marxism seems to come up far more frequently than another other philosophy here... although I guess you've allready explained why this is. > if you see absolutely no relation between music and politics - or > between art and philosophy or art and mathematics or any other > interesting graft that provokes an interesting discussion - then this > might not be the place for you...sorry, but I don't want this list > turning into a trainspotting fanboy list and I feel it's my duty to > keep the 'fanboy to philosophy' ratio adjusted according to the > founders recipe... I see the relationships.. I was simply trying to provoke a practical discussion of how one conveys politics in music without using lyrics of course. It's not that I don't have any ideas on the subject but this is something I have not seen talked about anywhere else. Since I do not come from the same academic background as you you'll have to try harder to be less obfuscated. Software can influence technique so a discussion of it does not automatically imply a "fanboy philosophy". But seeing how it's possible that using a piece of software could imply some sort of political agenda .. for example the insinuation that Larry Wall is a pro-lifer.. then discussing software can certainly be philosphical and political. The founders receipt is heavy on the marxism. > and if this bugs you then the solution is very simple: start a list > that reflects your own mission... No thanks.. I don't have a mission or a specific agenda but yours has become pretty clear. > it's funny how when someone invokes Deleuze it isn't slapped down as > 'dogma' -- but utter the words 'Marxism' and all of a sudden > everything that comes out of your mouth is branded as diatribe or > dogma...it's just a framework -- and it happens to be my > framework...so I'm not going to stop expressing it because it makes > you uncomfortable... Based on the find command.. I see that Deleuze is mentioned a fraction of the number of times that Marx is mentioned. Also I think Deleuze simply does not carry the same baggage that Marx does. My only issue with you is your academic elitism, your obvious arrogance and self righteous know it all-ness about the subject of Marxism. Otherwise I'm sure you are a wonderful person with alot to share. > I'm not here to make your microsound experience warm and fuzzy... Well I'm convinved that this list is inappropriately titled as the relationship between any discussion here and "microsound" is purely coincidental. Indeed your mission seems to be to beat people over the head with your biased view of the world. > those wanting to express their opinions through the critical > frameworks of Lacanian, Marxist, Schenkerian, Structuralist, > Deleuzian etc. are encouraged to do so freely without intimidation > from the vehemently anti-intellectual among us...just ignore them and > their trolling posts... Of course if you do not express it from any of the prescribed frameworks ye shall be beaten over the head with links to wikipedia and many references to marxism. > oh and I do have a sense a humor - but your 'winky joke' was just not > funny on any level! ;) I'd like to hear a joke from you as long as it does not involve marx etc. Or is the witty titling of threads the extent of which you will go for humor? Yours truly and forever Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 16:48:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40372-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48338 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:48:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 48315 invoked from network); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:48:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:48:27 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] humorous beasts To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > seriously if every thread needs to include > socialist dogma then retitle the list as "microsocialist" or something > like that. Or at least include a warning on the homepage "all ye who > enter beware PHD level discussion of Marxism". ;-) <- note the > winking. some people are allergic to '-ism's' -- but then that's just another '-ism' isn't it, since any system of ideas or opinions can be labeled an 'ism' -- no? Marxist analysis is one of many critical frameworks that can be applied to cultural discussions...and happens to be one which determines how I 'receive' art and music... we all have a lens through which we color the world don't we? again, the microsound list was intended to be a forum for discussing aesthetics and philosophy as applied to digital music -- so it stands to reason that a Marxist analysis would be one of many applied to a discussion... if you see absolutely no relation between music and politics - or between art and philosophy or art and mathematics or any other interesting graft that provokes an interesting discussion - then this might not be the place for you...sorry, but I don't want this list turning into a trainspotting fanboy list and I feel it's my duty to keep the 'fanboy to philosophy' ratio adjusted according to the founders recipe... and if this bugs you then the solution is very simple: start a list that reflects your own mission... it's funny how when someone invokes Deleuze it isn't slapped down as 'dogma' -- but utter the words 'Marxism' and all of a sudden everything that comes out of your mouth is branded as diatribe or dogma...it's just a framework -- and it happens to be my framework...so I'm not going to stop expressing it because it makes you uncomfortable... if you don't like my world view then either be polite and delete my posts or unsub and start your own list... I'm not here to make your microsound experience warm and fuzzy... those wanting to express their opinions through the critical frameworks of Lacanian, Marxist, Schenkerian, Structuralist, Deleuzian etc. are encouraged to do so freely without intimidation from the vehemently anti-intellectual among us...just ignore them and their trolling posts... oh and I do have a sense a humor - but your 'winky joke' was just not funny on any level! ;) respect, KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 20:43:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40371-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95329 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:42:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 95318 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:42:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:42:48 -0700 From: Scott Carver <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sonic Art is /very/ anchored to Wishart's ideas about sound and music (which is, I suppose, good or bad depending...), but the book itself is probably the most in-depth commentary on electroacoustic composition I've ever seen. I suspect you could learn a lot by going back to Xenakis' Formalized Music, but it's a tough read if you're not a math person. - Scott On Sep 27, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Peter Plessas wrote: > Hi, > > both books by Trevor Wishart "Audible Design" and "On Sonic Art" > may be > a starting point. They focus on transformation of (recorded) sound > mainly, and focus a lot on what you might call "gesture" in > electroacoustic composition. > > regards, > > Peter > > * mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> [2006-09-27 09:22]: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and articles >> which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' of >> electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal with >> software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at >> composition techniques which were developed before computers, >> techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of >> gestures. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 14:45:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40370-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18621 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:45:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 18590 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:45:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:45:11 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Homemade Cassette Tape DJ Mixers + Max/MSP PC To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001701c6e3d5$de864b00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: Acbj1d3F1tMiyEhBSfOtBP3pXlhSsQ== X-DCC--Metrics: ss73.shared.server-system.net 1368; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DJ Artyom built this really cool cassette mixer which he controls with MAX. Looks like lots of fun. Homemade Cassette Tape DJ Mixers + Max/MSP PC http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/09/28/homemade-cassette-tape-dj-mixers-ma xmsp-pc/ Make your own DJ gear: http://soundresearch.narod.ru/diy_eng.htm MAX/MSP DJ Stuff: http://soundresearch.narod.ru/maxmspdjstuff_eng.htm Now..., if there are no politics in my patch, can the music it produces be *serious*, eh, no wait..., hey! :-P make some noise, send us the link. Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 10:29:47 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40369-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50028 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:29:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 50001 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:29:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:29:29 +0200 From: Jakob Riis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Kvarnen - open call for works In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.2.3 build 4406 English <http://www.ctmdev.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sorry - this one should have gone to the microsound-announce list instead, I apologize for any inconveniences! /J 29/09/06, kl. 11:11 +0200 , skrev Jakob Riis: >Kvarnen - open call for works. > >Kvarnen is an online flash-based soundgrinder http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/ >kvarnen/. > >Until november 15th 2006 Kvarnen is accepting new contributions from >composers, sound- and new media artists. Kvarnen is a project by dansih >sound artist group 'ssshhhhh...'. > >Description of technical detials, and how to participate in the project >can be found here: >http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/kvarnen/kvarneninfoframe.html >Please contact xxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xx if you wan't to contribute. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 09:11:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40368-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94335 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:11:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 94320 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:11:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:11:20 +0200 From: Jakob Riis <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Kvarnen - open call for works To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.2.3 build 4406 English <http://www.ctmdev.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kvarnen - open call for works. Kvarnen is an online flash-based soundgrinder http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/ kvarnen/. Until november 15th 2006 Kvarnen is accepting new contributions from composers, sound- and new media artists. Kvarnen is a project by dansih sound artist group 'ssshhhhh...'. Description of technical detials, and how to participate in the project can be found here: http://www.ssshhhhh.dk/kvarnen/kvarneninfoframe.html Please contact xxxxx@xxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xx if you wan't to contribute. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 07:40:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40367-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15507 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:40:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 15471 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:40:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:40:49 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1429AA1.3480%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: AcbjmpTy0zx3IE+NEduBuQARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well this text is also in the booklet of the cd and signed by mr. toral. also read the article about him in the wire. this is for sure mr. torals statement and not some fancy creative thing from the label... ralph. Am 29.9.2006 2:29 Uhr schrieb "Rudy Carrera" unter <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > That is true. I had the same headache when I ran my label some years ago, > and it had disastrous consequences. > > -- > Regards, > > Rudy Carrera > http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ > http://myspace.com/racarrera > > > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> but isn't it also a little odd to believe toral and his label do not >> communicate about such things? afterall this was not a review he had no >> say over but a press release you'd hope he bothered to read before it >> went out.... >> >> maybe not >> >> -d >> >> Johan Nilsson wrote: >>> Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that >>> and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his >>> label says. >>> >>> I personally found the record to be very good. >>> >>> Johan >> -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 29 00:30:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40366-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58639 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:29:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 58562 invoked from network); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:29:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:29:45 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_l31rbaRiKlwRfooc9Xm/zw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rJ46u6FJDiHrocQRfh3zgsyAZws9QnJSYHxCPKQlL5IWCiXuoC6A6MzIbuPSrfY3ogvHkCschfCAF82gYqgHWzQ+RdrEr38KdYuM21L92Ss0c0DT1ZY3aJwXC8Dvw1ClJB8UG1z+i+dFZfHPFWqD5MgCfrRztnrqr90RW7vLjMo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_l31rbaRiKlwRfooc9Xm/zw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is true. I had the same headache when I ran my label some years ago, and it had disastrous consequences. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > but isn't it also a little odd to believe toral and his label do not > communicate about such things? afterall this was not a review he had no > say over but a press release you'd hope he bothered to read before it > went out.... > > maybe not > > -d > > Johan Nilsson wrote: > > Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that > > and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his > > label says. > > > > I personally found the record to be very good. > > > > Johan > --Boundary_(ID_l31rbaRiKlwRfooc9Xm/zw)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 22:16:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40365-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 800 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:16:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 762 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:16:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:12:08 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAILiG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx but isn't it also a little odd to believe toral and his label do not communicate about such things? afterall this was not a review he had no say over but a press release you'd hope he bothered to read before it went out.... maybe not -d Johan Nilsson wrote: > Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that > and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his > label says. > > I personally found the record to be very good. > > Johan > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> the press info stated - >> >> .. but this sounds like >>> the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and >>> electronics with a single >>> stroke >> >> it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let >> his label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, >> especially when the guy was always good, when he's letting people >> talk his work up to a degree that he will never reach. that's not a >> diss to him, but seriously - how many people are really creating new >> approaches to jazz these days? not many i'd wager, and certainly not >> Mr Toral with this release. >> >> I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me away, >> nor making me that excited to give it a repeated listen (which i am >> as we speak) but it's not terrible. >> >> -d >> >> >> Rudy Carrera wrote: >>> On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded >>>> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >>>> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new >>>> language >>>> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >>>> >>>> -d >>>> >>>> Rudy Carrera wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >>>> >> > oren ambarchi >>>> >> >>>> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >>>> > surprised if >>>> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >>>> > otherwise, >>>> > he's quite brilliant. >>>> > >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>>> >>> I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If >>> that's the >>> case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion >>> hell. Last >>> person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 21:53:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40364-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61732 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:52:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 61526 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:52:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:52:35 -0700 From: Johan Nilsson <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,231,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="941268105:sNHT40005564" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, I hardly think Mr. Toral would have made a statement like that and it's rather wrong to be judgemental towards his music for what his label says. I personally found the record to be very good. Johan On Sep 28, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Geraghty wrote: > the press info stated - > > .. but this sounds like >> the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and >> electronics with a single >> stroke > > it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let > his label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, > especially when the guy was always good, when he's letting people > talk his work up to a degree that he will never reach. that's not a > diss to him, but seriously - how many people are really creating > new approaches to jazz these days? not many i'd wager, and > certainly not Mr Toral with this release. > > I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me > away, nor making me that excited to give it a repeated listen > (which i am as we speak) but it's not terrible. > > -d > > > Rudy Carrera wrote: >> On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it >>> sounded >>> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >>> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new >>> language >>> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >>> >>> -d >>> >>> Rudy Carrera wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >>> >> > oren ambarchi >>> >> >>> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >>> > surprised if >>> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >>> > otherwise, >>> > he's quite brilliant. >>> > >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If >> that's the >> case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion >> hell. Last >> person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 21:13:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40363-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94338 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:12:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 94305 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:12:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:12:55 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MNI5aPpf7w6M3SLwWBTK2w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WFlaEh4KSu0X7kCZP4fstjrJUJ81Hf7kQkP1+9V3USSuR+vB/itEouCKK4aUCd8DXVGZoqZzSkAFv75fbL0DUNtxGfYfH0M6XP2B9N1WBBOBwEOD2sc1eO65gF1L+XkaabwQx76qtACBrfGSu4cswRszYAk6ZVzeJYA6HcvNRfs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_MNI5aPpf7w6M3SLwWBTK2w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, blandness would be the kiss of death for me. Rudy On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > the press info stated - > > .. but this sounds like > > the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and > > electronics with a single > > stroke > > it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let his > label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, especially when > the guy was always good, when he's letting people talk his work up to a > degree that he will never reach. that's not a diss to him, but seriously - > how many people are really creating new approaches to jazz these days? not > many i'd wager, and certainly not Mr Toral with this release. > > I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me away, nor > making me that excited to give it a repeated listen (which i am as we speak) > but it's not terrible. > > -d > > > Rudy Carrera wrote: > > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> > >> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded > >> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since > >> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language > >> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. > >> > >> -d > >> > >> Rudy Carrera wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of > >> >> > oren ambarchi > >> >> > >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > >> > surprised if > >> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > >> > otherwise, > >> > he's quite brilliant. > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If that's > > the > > case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion hell. > > Last > > person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_MNI5aPpf7w6M3SLwWBTK2w)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 21:09:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40362-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86461 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:08:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 86373 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:08:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:07:43 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAANrVG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the press info stated - ... but this sounds like > the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and > electronics with a single > stroke it's not jazz...it's just...damn, it's just you wish he'd never let his label state such nonsense. it's hard to listen to things, especially when the guy was always good, when he's letting people talk his work up to a degree that he will never reach. that's not a diss to him, but seriously - how many people are really creating new approaches to jazz these days? not many i'd wager, and certainly not Mr Toral with this release. I hasten to add, it's by no means terrible. It's not blowing me away, nor making me that excited to give it a repeated listen (which i am as we speak) but it's not terrible. -d Rudy Carrera wrote: > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded >> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language >> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >> >> -d >> >> Rudy Carrera wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >> >> >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >> >> > oren ambarchi >> >> >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >> > surprised if >> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >> > otherwise, >> > he's quite brilliant. >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If that's > the > case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion hell. > Last > person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 20:16:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40361-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71866 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:15:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 68596 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:14:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:05:14 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAOLJG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx if by either you mean ambarchi and toral, well to this day i've never heard anything by ambarchi i didn't like and i've enjoyed almost everything from toral. I guess they have to fuck up at some point... (and maybe he hasn't....maybe it is a grower...) i'm just left with a feeling that, as i've said previously, this deliberate move to leave the guitar was the first idea and what he was going to do in its absence was a distant second. i'll put it on again now -d Rudy Carrera wrote: > On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded >> like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since >> leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language >> of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. >> >> -d >> >> Rudy Carrera wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >> >> >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >> >> > oren ambarchi >> >> >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be >> > surprised if >> > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because >> > otherwise, >> > he's quite brilliant. >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > Well, I'm of the mind that you can't go wrong with either, for different > reasons. Maybe you're right: it may grow on you. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:54:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40360-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14921 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:53:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 14911 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:53:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:51 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TVzja8mA4Ey40v2ku7ZwGw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZuTYHJUnRd1zndNxywC7xkHwYz61K22/qkHFUvwb1UKgz6w+VZm63l4XQZV9mFp8ObEnw8LbsR25gN/SdoNODjzen92zYPTWGcXXqLZS3M+wqD3R0Y42+eIbcBsMwZWs5SsJ4iAy1auOXhTwSf71gJjJl5qlVy6Wp5XeVCzzUDQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_TVzja8mA4Ey40v2ku7ZwGw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded > like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since > leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language > of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. > > -d > > Rudy Carrera wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> > >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of > >> > oren ambarchi > >> > > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > > surprised if > > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > > otherwise, > > he's quite brilliant. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > I missed that. I had no idea he went off into jazzbo-land. If that's the case, I need to listen and see if he's drifting off into fusion hell. Last person to pull that off well was Paul Schutze, in my opinion. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_TVzja8mA4Ey40v2ku7ZwGw)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:47:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40359-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2706 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 2650 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:46:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:46:39 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rzsru3uUyRtUn8+Xmc8MNA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KelwzeMpwn3NP89sQ/wYDX9FRN7+NF8+arGSLmEpSoWuBrjgRhp1n2SJB03aAATCEzoE2OFW8Lsc3SejVsaJ5ni3N7BPmBbpFpKEbnLlC1vA3HqJlAtzMPl6Pt6FTDlU//0cU/2opfChRNmh31X5QCFUnZtu04TBRk7uK3sOWVE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rzsru3uUyRtUn8+Xmc8MNA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/28/06, David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded > like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since > leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language > of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. > > -d > > Rudy Carrera wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> > >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of > >> > oren ambarchi > >> > > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > > surprised if > > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > > otherwise, > > he's quite brilliant. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Well, I'm of the mind that you can't go wrong with either, for different reasons. Maybe you're right: it may grow on you. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_rzsru3uUyRtUn8+Xmc8MNA)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:43:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40357-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94756 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 94632 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:42:30 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACrCG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that's what i thought. perhaps repeated listens will change my mind, but so far, gimme 'barchi any day. -d Bill Jarboe wrote: > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > >> parts sound like a poor imitation of >> oren ambarchi > > > Wow. Maybe I'd like it! > > > > -b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:43:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40358-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94924 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 94719 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:43:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:41:30 +0100 From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACrCG0WLegEBAgcCDAcGHQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You'd be surprised someone who had heard the record decided it sounded like someone else? He did have a unique voice in his work but since leaving the guitar and supposedly moving forth to create a new language of jazz or whatever he called it he sounds like he's out of ideas. -d Rudy Carrera wrote: >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: >> >> > parts sound like a poor imitation of >> > oren ambarchi >> > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be > surprised if > this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because > otherwise, > he's quite brilliant. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:21:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40356-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57855 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:21:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 57778 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:21:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:20:58 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LQ8vmGrDIFYs8NsTDEUWtg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z/rscxWmGTctJHxDgDj9zbN6hVOk4i+yG3idH9bJxyvndI8BDJcrAHnsHgL9d17ozw9LSAXb4fGkUAg4mNa0LdvsiONJqDongOW6XvR5AznQHT1/UintuMoy0oHiQw0/QJd39xBTG/WpZm3fwiSy85uyUuf2XJWOg7wD4bqvNvE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_LQ8vmGrDIFYs8NsTDEUWtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/28/06, Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > > > parts sound like a poor imitation of > > oren ambarchi > > > Wow. Maybe I'd like it! > > > > -b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > Rafael tends to have a pretty unique voice in his work. I'd be surprised if this comparison were true. Too bad, if that's the case, because otherwise, he's quite brilliant. -- Regards, Rudy Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_LQ8vmGrDIFYs8NsTDEUWtg)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 19:19:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40355-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54848 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:19:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 54818 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:19:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:19:28 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.159 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eyU2qop4GD/miKZhBLwpyUYQRT8sFvjwRo8hcg4TTCnlGkPx8tSMg4cYIjkCX5W2; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c26094a5d80f929e94f2984ab0f4828379b80350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:38 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > parts sound like a poor imitation of > oren ambarchi Wow. Maybe I'd like it! -b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 18:08:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40354-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37699 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:07:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 37680 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:07:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:07:52 -0400 From: Rudy Carrera <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re-Intro To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6E6iPLz8NIpLckozF4ermg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=V1U2mFLI6ykC3USmFFQMsaLaFfBtAHDDe7gN2qhyiKxbwcPWfGw+zSElBAufC75dR6njQqfYnmzUkE0ri1QJRiKCFy/ASZ/HevRawsUuIFU0hfnNwTJg2a/FmLJxocTlmMV8tvCXjEm1l1ObI3e66uplVXZUoQ5M5g7brmwdIbc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6E6iPLz8NIpLckozF4ermg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello List; It's been a while since I've been a member of this list, so I'm saying hello to people I know here, and introducing myself as someone who has a high appreciation for the microsound ethic. It's been interesting to monitor the list from a distance, but I'd like to do what I can to make more contributions here, if possible. -- Regards, Rudy A. Carrera http://rudycarrera.com/wp/ http://myspace.com/racarrera --Boundary_(ID_6E6iPLz8NIpLckozF4ermg)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 17:31:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40353-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84521 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:30:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 84511 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:30:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:30:54 -0400 From: nick knouf <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] Learning musical instruments in non-Western socieities To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Quite an off-topic post, perhaps, but it relates to my thesis work, which _is_ involved with new ways to make sound... Anyway, I'm interested in books/chapters/papers that explore how people learn musical instruments / music instruction in non-Western societies. My own experience is through structured instruction in the US, and I know that there is a continuum from self-instruction to hyper-structure (like in the Suzuki method). Yet I want to know how this differs when music is embedded in a ritual process, when it is not so separate from regular processes of daily and social life, when it isn't representative of another form of schooling. If there are ethnomusicological texts that touch on these issues, or other online forums that are more appropriate to my question, please let me know. Thanks! nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 16:44:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40352-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21410 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:44:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:44:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:44:11 -0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?44OL44Kz44Op44K544O744Kx44Oz44OI?= <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Such as, what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine Sorry, I have a picture and can't resist http://museum.50megs.com/tokio/t05.html nick kent my online Japanese CD shop - http://technopop.gemm.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 16:08:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40351-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73158 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:08:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 73084 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:08:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] elephapples and applphants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim, The only offense is the total lack of any sense of humor... for example when I put ";-)" at the end of a sentence that means I'm ribbing you. "politics at beast".. haha .. how freudian ;-) ;-) again I'm joking don't proceed to correct me on how this is or isn't freudian.. or in now way related to marx, socialism or stockhausen. I dont' care. wink wink wink Lighten up allready.. seriously if every thread needs to include socialist dogma then retitle the list as "microsocialist" or something like that. Or at least include a warning on the homepage "all ye who enter beware PHD level discussion of Marxism". ;-) <- note the winking. thanks to all who took me up on a discussion of Perl.. I actually got some usefull information out of that.. kudos to those who want to talk about sound... I come here for that and that alone. Here's a track I completed recently.. the title is not meant to be offensive. http://www.xdugef.com/x/audio/upcoming/pussyface.mp3 Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) > > no offense meant in what I am about to say here at all and I intend > full respect: > but it is statements like these that make any debate difficult on > politics at beast without it turning into a hamstrung tutorial that > is then argued every step of the way with inaccurate comparisons and > > partly understood contexts...in other words in order to debate this > intelligently you need much more information... > > placing 'value' does not make one a capitalist any more than looking > > at pastries in a bakery makes you a baker...maybe not a good analogy > > but I'm only on my first cuppa Joe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 15:53:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40350-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54661 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 54647 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:53:02 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] elephapples and applphants To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) no offense meant in what I am about to say here at all and I intend full respect: but it is statements like these that make any debate difficult on politics at beast without it turning into a hamstrung tutorial that is then argued every step of the way with inaccurate comparisons and partly understood contexts...in other words in order to debate this intelligently you need much more information... placing 'value' does not make one a capitalist any more than looking at pastries in a bakery makes you a baker...maybe not a good analogy but I'm only on my first cuppa Joe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 14:54:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40349-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78911 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:54:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 78887 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:54:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:48 +0100 From: Ricardo Guerreiro <xx@xxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Adobe Audition for the Mac To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jXFcduXuPxgFkTfiwtZ3WA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3-0.88.4 X-Virus-Status: Clean (0.00729 seconds) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_jXFcduXuPxgFkTfiwtZ3WA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This is not new but, unfortunately, I still have reasons to sign it: http://www.petitiononline.com/djtobes/petition.html RG --Boundary_(ID_jXFcduXuPxgFkTfiwtZ3WA)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 14:03:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40348-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25278 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:02:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 25268 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:02:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:02:51 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] is there a search engine for MIDI files? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks! On 28-Sep-06, at 4:46 AM, David Geraghty wrote: > kinda depends what kind of files you want (i imagine > you're not into karaoke (but correct me if i'm wrong)) > > http://www.musicrobot.com/ > http://www.midisite.co.uk/ > http://www.manythings.org/midi/search.html > http://www.vanbasco.com/midisearch.html > http://www.midi.com/ > > p.s i checked and adorno said this post was OK. > > cheers > -d > > --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> ? >> >> g. >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 12:18:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40347-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37258 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:17:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 37238 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:17:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? 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Diatribes, commentary, liner notes, reviews, are obsolete. I enjoy the new Toral, it's not groundbreaking however. I just find his work listenable, intriguing, and it matches my couch. P! Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:42:52 +0200 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Message-ID: <C14181DC.343C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> very well said. exactly my thoughts as well. thank you for this, ralph. ps: by the way i even think i would like the album better if he wouldn't have said or written anything to it, but just would have left it as his next step or next release... Am 28.9.2006 12:38 Uhr schrieb "David Geraghty" unter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > it almost sounds to me like he was forcing himself to > avoid the guitar for no other reason that he thought > it was passe now. parts sound like a poor imitation of > oren ambarchi and i can't really see where three years > of work went in making this. >=20 > his previous records have been far superior and i > can't help but thinking he's trying to convince us > this is something new and amazing because he needs to > convince himself. >=20 > -d > --- steinbr=FCchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >=20 >> hi peter >> here's the accompayning press blah from the >> staubgold website and in the >> booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. >> when i read the text and >> then listen to the music i just don't think he was >> or is successful in what >> his aims are. the album is nice and has some >> interesting sounds, but it's >> not at all a new approach to anything. i even think >> it's less interesting >> and complex then his previous work. --------------------------------- How low will we go? 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Thu Sep 28 11:43:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40346-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12487 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:42:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 12464 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:42:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:42:52 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C14181DC.343C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: Acbi8zrqeZgX7E7mEdudUwARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx very well said. exactly my thoughts as well. thank you for this, ralph. ps: by the way i even think i would like the album better if he wouldn't have said or written anything to it, but just would have left it as his next step or next release... Am 28.9.2006 12:38 Uhr schrieb "David Geraghty" unter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > it almost sounds to me like he was forcing himself to > avoid the guitar for no other reason that he thought > it was passe now. parts sound like a poor imitation of > oren ambarchi and i can't really see where three years > of work went in making this. > > his previous records have been far superior and i > can't help but thinking he's trying to convince us > this is something new and amazing because he needs to > convince himself. > > -d > --- steinbrchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> hi peter >> here's the accompayning press blah from the >> staubgold website and in the >> booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. >> when i read the text and >> then listen to the music i just don't think he was >> or is successful in what >> his aims are. the album is nice and has some >> interesting sounds, but it's >> not at all a new approach to anything. i even think >> it's less interesting >> and complex then his previous work. >> >> especially the part in the text where it's stating >> .".. but this sounds like >> the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and >> electronics with a single >> stroke". >> >> sure it's the combination of electronic abstract >> gliding tones and some >> trumpet or similar (probably by sei miguel) over it, >> but "new approach with >> a single stroke" just sounds like a joke to me. >> >> maybe my expectations where or are to high, but for >> a release with a press >> text stating all these things (3 years research, >> blabla...) it's just by far >> not good (or new) enough. >> >> best to all, >> ralph. >> >> -- >> >> "Space", the new album by Rafael Toral, marks a >> radical change in his music >> after 15+ years of accomplished work on guitar and >> electronics. "The future >> perspectives of my former approach to music were >> threatening to become a >> comfortable, formulaic 'modus operandi'. It would be >> against my nature to >> accept such a development, so I serenely decided to >> terminate it." >> >> It took him three years to find his way into a >> complete renovation of his >> music: "For a new endeavor I needed new information, >> and I discovered that >> the field of knowledge in music that I had most to >> learn from was jazz. >> There is a long line of connections and fusions >> between jazz and electronic >> music, and I envisioned that a step beyond would not >> be more jazz with >> electronics, but on electronics." It may sound >> exaggerated, but this sounds >> like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz >> and electronics with a >> single stroke. >> >> In his emerging new conception of electronic music, >> Toral looks to the value >> of human performance while sharing values from jazz >> culture. His playing is >> "articulated with a kind of individual decision, a >> sense of phrasing and a >> sensibility to rhythm and form that have little in >> common with the types of >> electronic music we know". Quoting Sei Miguel, he >> says it's "not composed, >> not improvised, and not a compromise between the >> two". >> >> In recent years, Rafael Toral has been developing >> and performing solo >> concerts on his instruments (modified or >> custom-built electronic devices) in >> a field of work he calls the "Space program". He >> slowly merged hours of live >> and studio recordings into "Space" (the program's >> first release), which is >> no less than a full orchestra of such instruments. >> The result suggests that >> the expression "space-jazz" was invented before the >> music it would describe >> best. >> >> The "Space program" is a vast and ambitious >> undertaking, featuring two >> parallel series of record releases: "Space Elements" >> - centering each volume >> on a certain instrument, while adding few others and >> featuring >> collaborations; and the "Solo Series" - documenting >> solo performance on >> various instruments. The album "Space" belongs to >> none of the series. It is >> the "Space program's" fundamental release. >> >> -- >> >> Am 28.9.2006 11:44 Uhr schrieb "p jrgensen" unter >> <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: >> >>> please explain, ralph. >>> >>> /peter >>> >>> Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrchel: >>> >>>>> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael >> Toral's new lp. He's moved >>>>> on to >>>>> making his own hardware I think. >>>> >>>> i was very disappointed with this new release by >> raphael toral. >>>> especially >>>> after reading the contents of the booklet and his >> aim towards music. >>>> check >>>> also the interview/article on him in the new >> issue of the wire... >>>> >>>> ralph >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> -- >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 10:38:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40345-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75016 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:38:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 74992 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:38:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:38:22 +0100 (BST) From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <C1416B2F.3431%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Um0M24WolqWQwvEsgLoaDmFnUNzlcCIgXY9YPGNX43hHVhd5XEbeIh1Q4CbWEAevyZyii64YlQTdUlQM3oY4YhJ6YYLnh9R0Q6OjuQ6SVTH1cGEomTjTlHduYh4l3zZd4Y1gxME/+p82PKvw/TT9TFHSABqeebhvZ9Ihy7RAUwQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it almost sounds to me like he was forcing himself to avoid the guitar for no other reason that he thought it was passe now. parts sound like a poor imitation of oren ambarchi and i can't really see where three years of work went in making this. his previous records have been far superior and i can't help but thinking he's trying to convince us this is something new and amazing because he needs to convince himself. -d --- steinbrchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > hi peter > here's the accompayning press blah from the > staubgold website and in the > booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. > when i read the text and > then listen to the music i just don't think he was > or is successful in what > his aims are. the album is nice and has some > interesting sounds, but it's > not at all a new approach to anything. i even think > it's less interesting > and complex then his previous work. > > especially the part in the text where it's stating > .".. but this sounds like > the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and > electronics with a single > stroke". > > sure it's the combination of electronic abstract > gliding tones and some > trumpet or similar (probably by sei miguel) over it, > but "new approach with > a single stroke" just sounds like a joke to me. > > maybe my expectations where or are to high, but for > a release with a press > text stating all these things (3 years research, > blabla...) it's just by far > not good (or new) enough. > > best to all, > ralph. > > -- > > "Space", the new album by Rafael Toral, marks a > radical change in his music > after 15+ years of accomplished work on guitar and > electronics. "The future > perspectives of my former approach to music were > threatening to become a > comfortable, formulaic 'modus operandi'. It would be > against my nature to > accept such a development, so I serenely decided to > terminate it." > > It took him three years to find his way into a > complete renovation of his > music: "For a new endeavor I needed new information, > and I discovered that > the field of knowledge in music that I had most to > learn from was jazz. > There is a long line of connections and fusions > between jazz and electronic > music, and I envisioned that a step beyond would not > be more jazz with > electronics, but on electronics." It may sound > exaggerated, but this sounds > like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz > and electronics with a > single stroke. > > In his emerging new conception of electronic music, > Toral looks to the value > of human performance while sharing values from jazz > culture. His playing is > "articulated with a kind of individual decision, a > sense of phrasing and a > sensibility to rhythm and form that have little in > common with the types of > electronic music we know". Quoting Sei Miguel, he > says it's "not composed, > not improvised, and not a compromise between the > two". > > In recent years, Rafael Toral has been developing > and performing solo > concerts on his instruments (modified or > custom-built electronic devices) in > a field of work he calls the "Space program". He > slowly merged hours of live > and studio recordings into "Space" (the program's > first release), which is > no less than a full orchestra of such instruments. > The result suggests that > the expression "space-jazz" was invented before the > music it would describe > best. > > The "Space program" is a vast and ambitious > undertaking, featuring two > parallel series of record releases: "Space Elements" > - centering each volume > on a certain instrument, while adding few others and > featuring > collaborations; and the "Solo Series" - documenting > solo performance on > various instruments. The album "Space" belongs to > none of the series. It is > the "Space program's" fundamental release. > > -- > > Am 28.9.2006 11:44 Uhr schrieb "p jrgensen" unter > <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > > > please explain, ralph. > > > > /peter > > > > Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrchel: > > > >>> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael > Toral's new lp. He's moved > >>> on to > >>> making his own hardware I think. > >> > >> i was very disappointed with this new release by > raphael toral. > >> especially > >> after reading the contents of the booklet and his > aim towards music. > >> check > >> also the interview/article on him in the new > issue of the wire... > >> > >> ralph > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 10:12:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40344-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57974 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:12:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 57963 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:12:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:13:55 +0200 From: Imoteon <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] fennesz linkous In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx To my knowledge, the two live they've done (there were only two, weren't there ?) has not been released as CD. I remember seeing some non-official recording over the net, but the sound were pretty bad - you'd hear as much Fennesz and Linkous as people talking and coughing. Well. Pirate live recordings... I think with a bit of searching you should find them anyway if your interested. Julien. Le 28 sept. 06 11:49, p jrgensen a crit : > sorry in advance to anyone who finds this question to be off topic. > seems kinda hard to please everyone these days... > > does anyone know if (live)recordings of the collaboration between > christian fennesz and mark linkous aka sparklehorse exists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 10:06:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40343-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52021 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:06:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 52005 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:06:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:06:07 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1416B2F.3431%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: Acbi5bbd9WvyeU7YEdudUwARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi peter here's the accompayning press blah from the staubgold website and in the booklet of the release it's slightly more detailed. when i read the text and then listen to the music i just don't think he was or is successful in what his aims are. the album is nice and has some interesting sounds, but it's not at all a new approach to anything. i even think it's less interesting and complex then his previous work. especially the part in the text where it's stating .".. but this sounds like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and electronics with a single stroke". sure it's the combination of electronic abstract gliding tones and some trumpet or similar (probably by sei miguel) over it, but "new approach with a single stroke" just sounds like a joke to me. maybe my expectations where or are to high, but for a release with a press text stating all these things (3 years research, blabla...) it's just by far not good (or new) enough. best to all, ralph. -- "Space", the new album by Rafael Toral, marks a radical change in his music after 15+ years of accomplished work on guitar and electronics. "The future perspectives of my former approach to music were threatening to become a comfortable, formulaic 'modus operandi'. It would be against my nature to accept such a development, so I serenely decided to terminate it." It took him three years to find his way into a complete renovation of his music: "For a new endeavor I needed new information, and I discovered that the field of knowledge in music that I had most to learn from was jazz. There is a long line of connections and fusions between jazz and electronic music, and I envisioned that a step beyond would not be more jazz with electronics, but on electronics." It may sound exaggerated, but this sounds like the blueprint for a new approach to both jazz and electronics with a single stroke. In his emerging new conception of electronic music, Toral looks to the value of human performance while sharing values from jazz culture. His playing is "articulated with a kind of individual decision, a sense of phrasing and a sensibility to rhythm and form that have little in common with the types of electronic music we know". Quoting Sei Miguel, he says it's "not composed, not improvised, and not a compromise between the two". In recent years, Rafael Toral has been developing and performing solo concerts on his instruments (modified or custom-built electronic devices) in a field of work he calls the "Space program". He slowly merged hours of live and studio recordings into "Space" (the program's first release), which is no less than a full orchestra of such instruments. The result suggests that the expression "space-jazz" was invented before the music it would describe best. The "Space program" is a vast and ambitious undertaking, featuring two parallel series of record releases: "Space Elements" - centering each volume on a certain instrument, while adding few others and featuring collaborations; and the "Solo Series" - documenting solo performance on various instruments. The album "Space" belongs to none of the series. It is the "Space program's" fundamental release. -- Am 28.9.2006 11:44 Uhr schrieb "p jrgensen" unter <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > please explain, ralph. > > /peter > > Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrchel: > >>> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved >>> on to >>> making his own hardware I think. >> >> i was very disappointed with this new release by raphael toral. >> especially >> after reading the contents of the booklet and his aim towards music. >> check >> also the interview/article on him in the new issue of the wire... >> >> ralph >> >> -- >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 09:48:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40341-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40955 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 40921 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:49:08 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_j=F8rgensen?= <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] fennesz linkous In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx sorry in advance to anyone who finds this question to be off topic. seems kinda hard to please everyone these days... does anyone know if (live)recordings of the collaboration between christian fennesz and mark linkous aka sparklehorse exists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 09:49:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40342-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40960 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 40920 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:48:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:44:41 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_j=F8rgensen?= <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <C1405792.33E3%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C1405792.33E3%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx please explain, ralph. /peter Den 27/9-2006, kl. 16.30, skrev steinbrchel: >> In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved >> on to >> making his own hardware I think. > > i was very disappointed with this new release by raphael toral. > especially > after reading the contents of the booklet and his aim towards music. > check > also the interview/article on him in the new issue of the wire... > > ralph > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 08:47:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40340-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80330 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 80316 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:46:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:46:55 +0100 (BST) From: David Geraghty <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] is there a search engine for MIDI files? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d48JdBnnzs9lyXeLLDLpq7pAjXdnG8o83F5KylrusiSwtPmcCGu1ZlsowmNIWQk/RBOhP/KTKqUnfNJIlqwfO0BbtdvRndBAY0Z+bxIdGg/17qduVhYel19qNfLJ5osANL6YYmJRD7qEhpdQWDXSdIMQnwKVwlM3rNlWN0SzeMM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx kinda depends what kind of files you want (i imagine you're not into karaoke (but correct me if i'm wrong)) http://www.musicrobot.com/ http://www.midisite.co.uk/ http://www.manythings.org/midi/search.html http://www.vanbasco.com/midisearch.html http://www.midi.com/ p.s i checked and adorno said this post was OK. cheers -d --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > ? > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 04:57:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40339-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29735 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:57:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 29725 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:57:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:57:10 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] is there a search engine for MIDI files? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ? g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 28 00:32:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40338-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34888 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:32:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 34813 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:32:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:32:13 +0200 From: rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unsubscribe To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GmnqKYeQX3BLpl4TrOKp2w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=a+LPtPsYSBWEBes+y3N5H3fIul8JkcDEYAWTa2tUFApqbK+0brIeZb6bo0yNrqzpnC/a6ZWO0g+JQp7YjiEsQ1n8N7PTrifzSlzZNPiYc+Deg5uEoB6yCLK9SrBSkZDS2j4j2is7bSXe4SMFFNevamkqW8GNK2GMuhYuliz8n2k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GmnqKYeQX3BLpl4TrOKp2w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think i am going to do that now, rinus On 9/28/06, Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > i think i'm going to do that soon too > > > carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Wed Sep 27 23:45:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40337-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17472 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:45:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 17461 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:45:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unsuscribe In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jmcsGP5IaCRPK1F5nKnpMA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LFCvlZC/sRSXioI/uKiYWALSbhNTa5zo8TC6KbpyN82G37QNcWUMqQBkU2L7sJWSBPtndx/PKMOQUN4iAyT4DYSUzre0VbhuFh/OR5AmA7JUT1pSEtAseXweyobv9uW4YcQZO3YU9XWL+nPM8Dc4VxqESgbLPN6QdMXI/Xq6i/0= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_jmcsGP5IaCRPK1F5nKnpMA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops, i meant to just send that to carl. hahahhaha no offense. carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 23:44:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40336-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16459 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 16443 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] unsuscribe In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+SQJS/ZtXr0+YSNaAxlbLA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m0dIzdVhY0ccbdjj3xUD4vZRg9ghp2jCI4qZNFtwBEMoebOmGLxJL7XCFUMpRuYoHcJpQkmxj45f6LkXs0C7eTedtV/xr1em+tsYIjHGsclG5JFhhZ037FpjjETVax0agsn8JOWsvt2x/wyFqNVqCWYs42XSJLROq8Whr/vW6TM= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_+SQJS/ZtXr0+YSNaAxlbLA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think i'm going to do that soon too carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 23:44:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40335-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15304 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 15292 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: carl kruger <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] unsuscribe In-reply-to: <004101c6e25b$89853e70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d548ioDmvJmdvMceH2F8oAFaPKLV+Xf7duDggI70ietczJXy9EfZhn19GWrsRtZbm3iAKamGZ/K+S/XtLfIa1+LZsYOr68TY6P2aBuzzyqT0GelBAolgNn+Kou+PtwcxtdKDLExT3DAtLSt41u2JJaqb5C6YfPbBivP3tnDVC9A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 22:06:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40334-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79736 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:06:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 79715 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:06:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Being that I live in the US I have a hard time imaging that even if there was better distribution of wealth via socialism or any other ism that artists would benefit significantly without assuming that there would simply be more funding or grants for artists. The internet for example has made it possible for sound artists and musicians to get more exposure to a global audience but we are still along way from taking down the record labels and actually selling music online is still difficult. I just don't see that changing. I can sort of understand the concept of socialism when it comes to big business and the workers but when it comes to everyday artists I don't see it.. I mean I guess if you are represented by a gallery then perhaps but how many artists are???.. it all sounds very wishfull and iffy. But to get back onto the track I wanted to talk about is that it's hard to convey specific meaning in (abstract art) or music that is abstract (absent of lyrics or vocals). If I wrote volumes about how my music is a reaction to the Gulf War.. the audience would have to read that to really get it. Adrian BTW replying to all sends me two emails ;-) --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > This certainly does not disconnect the concept of money from the > term > > "value". > > > > Socialists are not against money, money is a useful technology. It is > a rational advance over barter, allowing for much more efficient > exchanges. I'm not sure where the idea that socialism is against > money > comes from. > > I have known anarchists who were against money. I almost got in > trouble for paying the musicians who performed a piece of mine, which > we presented in a space run by anarchists. I had to sneak everyone > around the corner to give them their money (which was sadly only > enough to cover beer and gasoline). This happened to be my first > piece > using live electronics (some of the sounds were microsound related) > combined with live acoustic improvisers, and it went really well. > > ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:48:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40333-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 71793 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:48:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 71783 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:48:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:48:32 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZjgL2LD1jHYJcJFcWltmxun9O3hNe+nkeRVRJT+6Bo7n4mi7LZymeszhuMXdq2GzGJflIBX+eO+FWfNAMrg/zlZ/vdH62FhTX9AMnslOFKoT1f2Jdnzktw/x5GeADd8NFAB3L5yylcKyr6c7D0iff4FhQk3dAtOIjP5ilPyQpv8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > This certainly does not disconnect the concept of money from the term > "value". > Socialists are not against money, money is a useful technology. It is a rational advance over barter, allowing for much more efficient exchanges. I'm not sure where the idea that socialism is against money comes from. I have known anarchists who were against money. I almost got in trouble for paying the musicians who performed a piece of mine, which we presented in a space run by anarchists. I had to sneak everyone around the corner to give them their money (which was sadly only enough to cover beer and gasoline). This happened to be my first piece using live electronics (some of the sounds were microsound related) combined with live acoustic improvisers, and it went really well. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:32:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40332-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64100 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:32:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 64079 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:32:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > So, under socialism, artists should receive MORE of the value of > their > work not less. This wouldn't apply, of course, to the absurd prices > which collectors pay for luxury works, but rather to the work done by > more ordinary artists. > > ~D This certainly does not disconnect the concept of money from the term "value". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:27:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40331-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60816 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:27:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 60773 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:27:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's his own fault for not elaborating on exactly what type of "value" he meant. ;-) Just as it was my own fault for not specifying that I was referring to "style" in microsound and not folkmusic. AD --- Owen Green <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Xdugef wrote: > > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) > > If you limit 'value' to mean 'money' :) > > -- > Owen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:22:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40330-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57907 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:21:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 57892 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:21:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Uh well like I said before I'm not really sure where this has gone or is taking us but if you see an old oak tree.. you very well may recognize when put aside pictures of other oak tries. Whereas you take plane ride and then later ride on another plane of the same make and model, do you think you would recognize wether or not it is the exact same plane you were on before by simply looking at the engine? Adrian --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Beauty in Nature is chaos, but mass amounts of unorganized > information > always tends to organize itself in a systematic manner. Hence a tree > > always looking like a tree, or a snowflake always looking like a > snowflake. They may not be identical, but you know an oak from a > palm, > just as you would know a Jet engine from a lawnmower engine. > > aLEKs > > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Xdugef wrote: > > > Okay I don't know where this is going but the other difference is > that > > even though there are identifiable features of specific type sof > > trees.. no two trees are visually the same whereas jets engines are > > more or less the same except on some minute level. > > > > Beauty in nature is chaos whereas the beauty in manufacturing is in > the > > replication of form ..consider the influence Andy Warhol's Soup Can > has > > had on art and the source of it's inspiration. > > > > Adrian > > > > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >>> Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of > >> intense > >>> detail created by nature and the other is about the intense > detail > >> of > >>> something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a > >> better > >>> example but... > >>> > >>> Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be > >>> something equivalent in music. > >>> > >>> Adrian > >> > >> If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also > natural. > >> They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. > >> They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the > >> physical > >> world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are > >> also > >> natural but different). > >> > >> More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural > >> world, > >> it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I > >> hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its > form. > >> Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. > >> > >> ~David > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 21:18:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40329-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55634 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:18:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 55619 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:18:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:18:00 +0100 From: Owen Green <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote: > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) If you limit 'value' to mean 'money' :) -- Owen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:58:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40328-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48372 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:57:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 48359 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:57:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:57:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, aleks vasic wrote: > Beauty in Nature is chaos, but mass amounts of unorganized information always > tends to organize itself in a systematic manner. Hence a tree always looking > like a tree, or a snowflake always looking like a snowflake. They may not be > identical, but you know an oak from a palm, just as you would know a Jet > engine from a lawnmower engine. How are trees and snowflakes composed of unorganized masses? It seems likely that any observed disorder in the case of a tree is superficial and due to a lack of order finding faculties, that each leaf is symptomatic of organization. The axiom of choice seems always borne out, even if the choice function is without apparent sense, or inaccessible. Just how are unorganised masses supposed to come about to be organised when there is, if not a prime mover, a before-this mover? -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:47:16 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40327-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43199 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 43182 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: scott nobles <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CZzKJ9je4H+76Bq0Af8e+L34mcwkQRjDbKD7GhJGH+lGI9FKqLOs8ww3C0mDIOMcAC88X94gbEPmtjY6B3Bki2EE7+TjcejklLkQgxdAsmFDWxcm48w9BJuy56xnWX5bX4CIHbCsqk3zqmOqmTMoFHcvccg//HbtGQFN46yoKhs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > --- alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > > SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. > > Yea I've heard of Supercollider but unfortunately > I'm decidely PC only, As far as I know there is a functional build of Supercollider for PC, called Psycollider. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54622 There has been a concerted effort to not only port Supercollider to PC, but to make code written in SC truly cross-platform. I am a long-time user of Supercollider on Mac, haven't tried it on Linux or Win, but there are people out there using it. The announcement of the most recent major PC revision: http://www.nabble.com/New-Psycollider---heiss---fettig-tf2141352.html#a5910452 Check the Supercollider User List Archive if you're interested: http://www.nabble.com/Supercollider---User-f535.html OR: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/pipermail/sc-users/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:09:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40326-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26624 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:09:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 26606 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:09:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:10 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Beauty in Nature is chaos, but mass amounts of unorganized information always tends to organize itself in a systematic manner. Hence a tree always looking like a tree, or a snowflake always looking like a snowflake. They may not be identical, but you know an oak from a palm, just as you would know a Jet engine from a lawnmower engine. aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Xdugef wrote: > Okay I don't know where this is going but the other difference is that > even though there are identifiable features of specific type sof > trees.. no two trees are visually the same whereas jets engines are > more or less the same except on some minute level. > > Beauty in nature is chaos whereas the beauty in manufacturing is in the > replication of form ..consider the influence Andy Warhol's Soup Can has > had on art and the source of it's inspiration. > > Adrian > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of >> intense >>> detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail >> of >>> something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a >> better >>> example but... >>> >>> Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be >>> something equivalent in music. >>> >>> Adrian >> >> If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also natural. >> They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. >> They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the >> physical >> world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are >> also >> natural but different). >> >> More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural >> world, >> it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I >> hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its form. >> Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. >> >> ~David >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 20:08:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40325-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25029 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:07:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 25016 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:07:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:07:45 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JL7jkMBqe6iXvMWzsCJnAkl/4bYwn0NU0oNewKDR2QBu+XoUmcqYvvmphtC/aLVuMNjq2ULMUbhmebeaZWvmQ5yozaN6gx6FWgmq0EJcpK/RMDWSzD9KyK6YuC8fbA9ur7rnQZKg/7GXbZnAsd9EM9vwgTMOLf/QfCl2372lg3M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > But I'm not the one that brought him up in the first place in reference > to socialism. > > Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) > No, placing a value on art does not in any sense make one a capitalist. Socialism revolves around who owns the means of production. In fact, Marxism says that workers are the source of value, and that under capitalism, they do not receive a portion of it, called surplus value, which instead goes to the capitalists as profit. So, under socialism, artists should receive MORE of the value of their work not less. This wouldn't apply, of course, to the absurd prices which collectors pay for luxury works, but rather to the work done by more ordinary artists. ~D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:36:47 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40324-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3067 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:36:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 3055 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:36:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay I don't know where this is going but the other difference is that even though there are identifiable features of specific type sof trees.. no two trees are visually the same whereas jets engines are more or less the same except on some minute level. Beauty in nature is chaos whereas the beauty in manufacturing is in the replication of form ..consider the influence Andy Warhol's Soup Can has had on art and the source of it's inspiration. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of > intense > > detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail > of > > something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a > better > > example but... > > > > Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be > > something equivalent in music. > > > > Adrian > > If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also natural. > They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. > They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the > physical > world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are > also > natural but different). > > More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural > world, > it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I > hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its form. > Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. > > ~David > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:28:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40323-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96645 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 96575 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] apples and elephants In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > an analysis of LeWitt's work can be framed in any discipline: > Marxist, Lacanian, Freudian, Post-Structuralist, Phenomenologism, > etc. > in other words: it isn't the physical properties of his work which > relates to Marxism, but how one engages with the work and assigns > value to it... You could say that about anything and knowing you.. you would. But I'm not the one that brought him up in the first place in reference to socialism. Doesn't placing "value" on art make one a capitalist? ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:28:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40322-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96204 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 96191 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:27:43 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MvNYko/58C69tHFbUuP2Inf59+8VxW6avpIilcRYXjnfb/3O4kKJjMh0TI3sHE2i8UClIAMn1eSU3Mascdz9eB9u0+m61JYqJPaBVWELhMGfa9CUTdSlMKZGd39DVFSFd+IrE7X372F+GJ/WinIwL4tHf+jC/yxuf/x8OFwxPDA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of intense > detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail of > something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a better > example but... > > Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be > something equivalent in music. > > Adrian If humans are natural beings, than human creations are also natural. They are mediated by our creative intelligence, but still natural. They are certainly not supernatural. And if they exist in the physical world, they are not simply patterns in the human brain (which are also natural but different). More than that, the jet engine must function within the natural world, it must harness the natural forces--therefore, the processes (I hesitate to say "laws") of nature contribute decisively to its form. Just as the processes of nature shape the form of the tree. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:17:03 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40321-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89808 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:16:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 89794 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:16:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sure it can.. the difference being that one is an example of intense detail created by nature and the other is about the intense detail of something man made... maybe a blowup image of a cpu would be a better example but... Duchamp pioneered the concept of ready mades etc.. sampling be something equivalent in music. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On the other hand, it just struck me that there is often a strange > beauty to functional objects. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the > engine must harness the forces of nature, and thus in some sense is a > part of nature. Can a jet engine be beautiful, in the way a tree is > beautiful? > > ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:13:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40320-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87142 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:13:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 87125 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:13:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:12:55 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] apples and elephants To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rsSFyPDH7bk+SsOxnQazQA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rsSFyPDH7bk+SsOxnQazQA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I like Sol LeWitt's work but looking at it the first thing that comes > to mind is not Socialism.. that's for sure. But I guess the concept of > idealised unity does.. one can allways dream. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0425/is_4_61/ai_96134618 > What is left out now, as it was in the 1970s, is any discussion or > even recognition of why such interpretative projections onto > abstract forms were and are convincingly made for and by a given > audience at any given time. an analysis of LeWitt's work can be framed in any discipline: Marxist, Lacanian, Freudian, Post-Structuralist, Phenomenologism, etc. in other words: it isn't the physical properties of his work which relates to Marxism, but how one engages with the work and assigns value to it... --Boundary_(ID_rsSFyPDH7bk+SsOxnQazQA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:09:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40319-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84140 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:09:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 84130 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:09:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:09:32 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K3LHGV1GPpGAxdrWU4O6eEzn7tXx0QlyE+lFC/UHCxXe+RKWz5knrRtPwBHaeSBtqiuUFJIF6E8AbIneqlqvP18CBR2iHM6mkvluvgoNRYUQ4XQMNlfDfMnRQkVvH4Dx4vppG+hoOxFRDEHsZ6UXEXHePQ3xjmRxT9CYOH+Tpt0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I am not saying that the process is more important than the end result > but that doesn't mean that experimentation is invalid. > > I could have for example purchased or maybe even gotten for free a VST > plugin that more or less does what I wrote in Perl. .... > Obviously artists do not need to make every tool they use but > personally I like to evaluate a process myself. In my working life I > have found it far more usefull to try things myself if possible rather > than to just take someone's word for it. > > Adrian Ultimately, these are decisions that YOU as an artist have to make. Only you can decide what your artistic goals are, and if your methods are adequate to the goals. Right now, I'm working on a setup where I have Pure Data running custom generative stuff, that reacts based on what I play on the keyboard. Ironically, PD is pumping MIDI data into Ableton, which is acting as a host for VST's. It works great, and using Ableton as a host lets me set up the instruments, pan them, and add a little reverb, in about ten minutes. This lets me spend all my time developing the PD side which is doing everything interesting. My point is, that PD would allow me to not use proprietary software like Ableton, and to create everything within PD. However, I've come to realize that I HATE doing hardcore dsp in PD; though I'm fine doing some fairly simple types of glitches, granular synthesis, and basic traditional additive, subtractive and FM stuff. But I have no desire to program my own reverbs, filters, compressors, and tube simulators. Using VST's is fine with me! (I can actually use VST's in PD on winXP, by the way). Others, however, enjoy doing it all in PD, and if it works for them, I think that's great. My own philosophy is to use DIY where things don't exist, but to use whatever tools are available, such as VST's and commercial hosts, to focus my development time on the aspects of the project that really matter. By plugging PD into Ableton, I get something that is far more powerful than what Ableton could do on its own. I'm not using any loops, or even tempos in Ableton, just using it as a host and glorified mixing board. When I get a spare $100, I will actually be switching to Plogue Bidule or Audiomulch as my host; Ableton is just what I have that does the job well, and simply. Anyway, if you enjoy the challenge of Perl, and you like the results, I say go for it. But I'd also say, don't be afraid to switch processes, if writing in Perl ever starts to hinder you from reaching your artistic goals... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 19:05:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40318-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81021 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:05:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 81002 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:05:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:05:16 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 27-Sep-06, at 2:15 PM, aleks vasic wrote: > Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such > as, what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed > primarily for function/performance. didn't harley davidson try and trademark the 'sound' of their engine? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:42:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40317-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62991 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:41:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 62952 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:41:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I feel an "ism" coming on. I am not saying that the process is more important than the end result but that doesn't mean that experimentation is invalid. I could have for example purchased or maybe even gotten for free a VST plugin that more or less does what I wrote in Perl. Pragmatically you could say that it works and it does what it was designed to do and if your subjectivity leans that way then yes it's aesthetically interesting. Yet somehow that leaves a completely hollow space inside me. Obviously artists do not need to make every tool they use but personally I like to evaluate a process myself. In my working life I have found it far more usefull to try things myself if possible rather than to just take someone's word for it. Adrian --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such > as, > what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed > primarily > for function/performance. Its a tool. But there is an aesthetic in > the end result that is appreciated by many, rightfully so i guess. > Many people would consider the entire process art, just as much as > the > end result... Something similiar would be architecture. It is art. > It > is judged on its aesthetic, but first and foremost is its > functionality. Does it do what it is supposed to do and does it do > it > well? > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of > > process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". > > > > But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, > as > > being more important than what results from a process. A process, > in > > my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a > > useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including > > artworks that are aesthetically interesting. > > > > ~David > > > On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the > >> process as much as the end result, if not more. > >> > >> What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley > >> Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? > >> > >> Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has > some > >> great examples of this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:39:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40316-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59977 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:39:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 59962 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:39:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:39:10 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HGO9EAEF3CLJEizxYQr6hthFB0ttb6iIM9jce2U/H2EJMmNepGusP8qqRLt1gwCMaFwPRJKpZC1Gsyzk6efmAOxp6OTyCYEJIotuN3NqoC4G1KdsEPanl9ITcgnK6GUmJKH/3Iknx8SaJMdtNX7W44oz3CXypGvIFYxL3a+Uu3c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ah the old "what is art" question. My friend and I came upon a working definition of art last night, while we were painting the floor of his loft space/gallery: Art is something you get grant money for, that makes people feel sophisticated while they stand around sipping wine and BSing at the show opening... ;-) Seriously though, perhaps the whole confusion arises from the fact that every discipline has its own problems. It can be misleading to talk about Art sometimes, when there are significant differences between different art forms. For instance, In architecture, function will be much more important than in painting. Dance music has to function, in a way that music for a seated concert audience does not. We can't decide in advance, whether something is able to be art or not based on its function. I think there are pieces of dance music and architecture that rise to the level of art. However, I think we can all agree that the condos outside where I work are really ugly, and not art at all (not to mention the function they play in gentrifying the community). As far as jet engines, if someone says that the jet engine they built is a work of art more than a functional engine, I'd rather not fly in that plane... On the other hand, it just struck me that there is often a strange beauty to functional objects. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the engine must harness the forces of nature, and thus in some sense is a part of nature. Can a jet engine be beautiful, in the way a tree is beautiful? ~David On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such as, > what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed primarily > for function/performance. Its a tool. But there is an aesthetic in > the end result that is appreciated by many, rightfully so i guess. > Many people would consider the entire process art, just as much as the > end result... Something similiar would be architecture. It is art. It > is judged on its aesthetic, but first and foremost is its > functionality. Does it do what it is supposed to do and does it do it > well? > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of > > process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". > > > > But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, as > > being more important than what results from a process. A process, in > > my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a > > useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including > > artworks that are aesthetically interesting. > > > > ~David > > > On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the > >> process as much as the end result, if not more. > >> > >> What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley > >> Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? > >> > >> Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some > >> great examples of this. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:23:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40315-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45773 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:23:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 45763 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:23:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:23:15 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LAUY5G8z8rkXQWknmiMDzgJSj25a8gPiDJQ7yX2E07LYxfzDphRTpjSaCOoMpphulIJ1bVYBnHDP/n4OCFhO8fjI8hrJkJKZ/cYbZPFSEcsqS5D0eO5Ywhc2rXts4bdrie1qdOyW1GsOV+1Zd/mHTmx2kyKcifhVDQwAOvrHL1E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One could argue that one of Adorno's greatest weaknesses, was his over-reliance on Freud. His critique of "primitive" and rhythmic music, seem based on an idea that these things reflect an "ego-regression" and return to infantilism. He was particularly concerned that such regressions leave individuals open to fascism, and authoritarian politics. Much of his work seeks to understand how and why the barbarism of the Nazi regime occurred. On the matter of rhythm, and the idea that it promotes some sort of ego regression, I don't think it would be too hard to critique Adorno in these matters. Not to mention the serious questions I'd have about the validity of some of the underlying Freudian concepts. On the other hand, his general observations on mass production of culture, its banal form, and the ideological function it has, is often quite on the mark. Many of his ideas seem entirely relevant in the age of the Backstreet Boys and Brittany Spears, etc etc. ~David On 9/27/06, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I know I just scoffed at him in a previous email, but Adorno is an > important critic of Capitalism's (oh no, an ism!) effect on music, > which makes a lot of sense if you just watch MTV or listen to any of > the five or six identical stations on your FM radio. > > But, he was quite the Classical music snob, so I doubt that he'd > appreciate much microsound, or loop-based music at all! However, this > hatred of "commodified music," of which most microsound (especially if > on a netlabel) is arguably spared the title, does stem from his > Marxian beliefs. > > ~Kyle > > On 9/27/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > > > relate to > > > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:16:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40314-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42008 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:15:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 41997 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:15:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:15:51 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes i agree with you, but it also raises some sticky debate. Such as, what is Art. A motorcycle engine, or Jet engine is designed primarily for function/performance. Its a tool. But there is an aesthetic in the end result that is appreciated by many, rightfully so i guess. Many people would consider the entire process art, just as much as the end result... Something similiar would be architecture. It is art. It is judged on its aesthetic, but first and foremost is its functionality. Does it do what it is supposed to do and does it do it well? aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:07 PM, David Powers wrote: > > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of > process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". > > But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, as > being more important than what results from a process. A process, in > my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a > useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including > artworks that are aesthetically interesting. > > ~David > On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the >> process as much as the end result, if not more. >> >> What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley >> Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? >> >> Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some >> great examples of this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:12:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40313-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39747 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 39736 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I like Sol LeWitt's work but looking at it the first thing that comes to mind is not Socialism.. that's for sure. But I guess the concept of idealised unity does.. one can allways dream. Adrian --- xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > consider the socialist goals of minimalist art- Sol LeWitt especially > was > interested in "universal"/shared experience that didnt rely upon > access to > education or other facets of high culture- whether he succeeded or > not is > an issue for debate..... > > > Goddamn wikipedia.. it'd be nice if "you" could write your own > retorts > > ;-) > > > > I guess I was really thinking more in terms of microsound.. lyrics > are > > obvious... this isn't the folkmusic list etc.. > > > > Adrian > > > > --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > >> > relate to > >> > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. > ;-) > >> > >> you really ought to get out more! ;) > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > >> http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:09:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40312-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36455 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:09:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 36444 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:09:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David, I don't really know how to take this statement "I don't value challenges, in themselves". To each his own.. I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to feel this way wether you are talking about art or anything else. I find living is pretty challenging on it's own let alone making art so I gotta get my kicks where I can... if it's by challenging myself wether or not the outcome is heralded as brilliant or horrible I don't really care. I went with Perl because it was familiar so I did not set myself up for too much of a challenge. I could have tried programming in C if I wanted to hang myself. I am also familiar with Csound, PD and Max. I choose Perl for the afore mentioned reasons of working with the theme of forcing hardware or software not designed to make sound ..to make sound or to make soudn differently than it was intended. I certainly wasn't implying that doing things this way made the work more aesthetically pleasing or meaningful. But at the same time it's undeniable that process and technology has not driven change in art and music. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I don't value challenges, in themselves; however, there working > within > strict limitations is a really productive technique for some artists. > I think it creates tension in an artwork. It is, perhaps, a > substitute > for the tension that used to exist between the socially given genres > (sonata, symphony, etc.) and the individual's artistic vision. With > the fragmentation of culture, artists now often create their own > rules, not to simply follow them, but rather in order to struggle > against them. > > Schoenberg's 12-tone method of composition could be viewed as an > early > example of this. Though it's rather bizarre, to me, that Schoenberg > tried to use classical forms with 12-tone content, as if the very > existence of the tone row did not demand it's own form. Webern was > much more advanced in creating overall forms that matched the logic > of > the 12-tone compositional method. > > Of course, the aesthetic meaning of struggling against a challenge a > composer chooses individually, might be very different than the > struggle of an artist working within a socially given set of norms. > > Also, that a given work was difficult, or a challenge to create, > does > not make the end result aesthetically meaningful per se. > > ~David > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 18:07:40 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40311-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34817 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:07:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 34803 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:07:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:07:17 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eLntZn9hf1hO67Quav0l5OjH8w2ZkcfgzpjfbafFqdsOvIJ9XQdcyxNiiqTAM1JewqFy7gGWmzkQAURi5XRlP4kKLGFBYhZcAqrseYaCppjliXH0qBLXVDNH2hqSVUtmz0XGw129iBVSvAHaEAANs7I8UJ8I/oRi3MPZMVozSF8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the > process as much as the end result, if not more. > > What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley > Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? > > Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some > great examples of this. > It's funny because last week I was just defending the importance of process, as opposed to only viewing "the finished product". But, at the same time I don't believe in fetishizing the process, as being more important than what results from a process. A process, in my view, needs to be evaluated pragmatically: does it work? is it a useful process? and yes, does it lead to "good results", including artworks that are aesthetically interesting. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:37:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40310-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20469 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 20458 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:37:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:37:00 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004101c6e25b$89853e70$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Because after all, if you haven't absorbed and accepted socialist theory, you MUST be an ignorant shut in! ;) ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >> Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism >> relate to >> a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:35:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40309-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17129 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:35:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 17118 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:35:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:34:17 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002e01c6e25b$29cc8b50$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> And, of course, "family planning" is for when you plan not to have a >> family. Go figure. >> All of my kids were unplanned, but that doesn't mean they were unwanted. > [http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html?page=2] > > as a linguist he is pointing out the inconsistency of the phrase > 'family planning'. I beg to differ. Family planning is exactly that, no inconsistency involved: you can choose not to have children (as in MY family, and we ARE a family), you can choose to select when to have children and how many, or you can choose not to plan at all. A linguist might be expected to be more precise, but a wingnut with an agenda to push (if he is one, I dont know) would intentionally resort to dogma and attempt to spin the issue their own way. ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:09:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40308-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5616 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:09:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 5605 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:09:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:09:29 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Depends on who is experiencing said work. Many people value the process as much as the end result, if not more. What do different individuals see when they look at a Harley Motorcycle? The Ramjet engine of of a vintage fighter plane? Also, sometimes art is the process, the study of Chaos theory has some great examples of this. aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:55 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > Also, that a given work was difficult, or a challenge to create, does > not make the end result aesthetically meaningful per se. > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 17:03:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40307-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2326 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 2305 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:02:37 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a good quote -- maybe worthy of discussion? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AqHRpNOEDGp4zc+Rwj28bA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_AqHRpNOEDGp4zc+Rwj28bA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > from English Marxist Christopher Caudwell's essay 'The Concept of > Freedom': > > 'But art is in any case not a relation to a thing, it is a > relation between men, between artist and audience, and the art work > is only like a machine which they must both grasp as part of the > process. The commercialisation of art may revolt the sincere > artist, but the tragedy is that he revolts against it still within > the limitations of bourgeois culture. He attempts to forget the > market completely and concentrate on his relation to the art work, > which now becomes further hypostatized as an entity-in-itself. > Because the art work is now completely an end-in-itself, and even > the market is forgotten, the art process becomes an extremely > individualistic relation. The social values inherent in the art > form, such as syntax, tradition, rules, technique, form, accepted > tonal scale, now seem to have little value, for the art work more > and more exists for the individial alone.' an interesting topic, when was this written? my first thought would be to put this in the context of the way that electronic culture has changed the way the marketplace works, and whether the idea of "bourgeois culture" still applies in this regard. certainly for me i would take issue with the idea that the work becomes hypostatized and isolated in revolting against the forces of commercialization, but then again, i am not much of a political thinker or philosopher and might not be able to back that statement up. best bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Boundary_(ID_AqHRpNOEDGp4zc+Rwj28bA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:59:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40306-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99701 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:59:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 99688 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:59:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:59:13 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WhULTYzx8/9E0gCpgZaz2lgImdmkrc+AL6G14fo2HcBnmtWXEiQNkAOC742NsT3KgW5bN7rbgVmczFD8v26xgRaC3ONAg1xfCz9gsvxqLMJDSsmOW9ub/uiVap7Seckd0NfpTZpnOm7zas3xKCQL3xs8gFYTBYkjY6rmDIfn8MY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I know I just scoffed at him in a previous email, but Adorno is an important critic of Capitalism's (oh no, an ism!) effect on music, which makes a lot of sense if you just watch MTV or listen to any of the five or six identical stations on your FM radio. But, he was quite the Classical music snob, so I doubt that he'd appreciate much microsound, or loop-based music at all! However, this hatred of "commodified music," of which most microsound (especially if on a netlabel) is arguably spared the title, does stem from his Marxian beliefs. ~Kyle On 9/27/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > > relate to > > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:56:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40305-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97641 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:55:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 97631 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:55:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:55:50 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jhnwKnxRFiH2QWn/E9TQHekV07q1LJaasqs83pAgi3YYXOl2FjpLyiqNzDKgtAGjcQjYziWcuLPaWixHDi48Mq8e6xyCJyHyUCf7/AeT5CP7zNIuj1/7fcgMYNx0Z6nMfx3gSFvXHEzpI65j+u4gYcIbo+tlQ4V2AO7gXpecu4o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > It would also be easier to build the ship outside the bottle but people > still build ships in bottles for the challenge. ;-0 > > Adrian I don't value challenges, in themselves; however, there working within strict limitations is a really productive technique for some artists. I think it creates tension in an artwork. It is, perhaps, a substitute for the tension that used to exist between the socially given genres (sonata, symphony, etc.) and the individual's artistic vision. With the fragmentation of culture, artists now often create their own rules, not to simply follow them, but rather in order to struggle against them. Schoenberg's 12-tone method of composition could be viewed as an early example of this. Though it's rather bizarre, to me, that Schoenberg tried to use classical forms with 12-tone content, as if the very existence of the tone row did not demand it's own form. Webern was much more advanced in creating overall forms that matched the logic of the 12-tone compositional method. Of course, the aesthetic meaning of struggling against a challenge a composer chooses individually, might be very different than the struggle of an artist working within a socially given set of norms. Also, that a given work was difficult, or a challenge to create, does not make the end result aesthetically meaningful per se. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:37:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40304-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88034 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 88023 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:36:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UZs8uduy4PF33esi04PbN6ENYBJCNNy9NcPbWTknIgsrdNjq5KF8pBZwTsHF88WNBMz6PApVPjOavSMI6426mVw9MrzAxNdLnw7/Y5Fh7KeIrg9iQ5NeUu6se4CWhJRRw6DrpQi+sZ7dWgE5iJj1Bd0P2s0P1YdFK+HMSVlBhss= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Basic forms and ornament are set beyond performance, and, > like a concert pianist, the artist surrenders design and > situates creativity in the constricted realm of technology. > It might be that, needing money, artists make things they do > not admire, that might please the patron/institution but > cannot stand as fully achieved signs of creative competence. Maybe, but it's just as likely that artists have day jobs, so that they can create what they want, when they want, and not have to comporomise. Well, unless you are talking about graphic designers and advert people ... ;-) ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:17:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40303-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76610 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:16:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 76596 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:16:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:16:39 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] a good quote -- maybe worthy of discussion? To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rMIBbkJ8dXn3AHy76/0xgA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rMIBbkJ8dXn3AHy76/0xgA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from English Marxist Christopher Caudwell's essay 'The Concept of Freedom': 'But art is in any case not a relation to a thing, it is a relation between men, between artist and audience, and the art work is only like a machine which they must both grasp as part of the process. The commercialisation of art may revolt the sincere artist, but the tragedy is that he revolts against it still within the limitations of bourgeois culture. He attempts to forget the market completely and concentrate on his relation to the art work, which now becomes further hypostatized as an entity-in-itself. Because the art work is now completely an end-in-itself, and even the market is forgotten, the art process becomes an extremely individualistic relation. The social values inherent in the art form, such as syntax, tradition, rules, technique, form, accepted tonal scale, now seem to have little value, for the art work more and more exists for the individial alone.' --Boundary_(ID_rMIBbkJ8dXn3AHy76/0xgA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:14:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40302-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73437 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:12:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 73427 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:12:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:12:41 -0700 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] also, a link to a very good book to read In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my favorite!!!! On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:12:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40301-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72213 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:10:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 72186 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:10:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:10:45 -0700 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i would definitely go the library route. stockhausen and cage scores are notoriously expensive, unfortunately, but immensely educational. On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of > works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that > feature discussion about the scores, which included performance > instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an > actual score, but any university music department may be able to > assist you. > > ~Kyle > > On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing >> the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and >> stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply >> by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. >> > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:09:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40299-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69787 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 69777 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Basic forms and ornament are set beyond performance, and, like a concert pianist, the artist surrenders design and situates creativity in the constricted realm of technology. It might be that, needing money, artists make things they do not admire, that might please the patron/institution but cannot stand as fully achieved signs of creative competence. brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, David Powers wrote: > I wasn't aware of artists having "patrons" these days. None of the > people that enjoy my music "distrust" me. It's rather hard to > understand what exactly your trying to get at. > > A mailing list like this could be considered a form a shared culture. > But not a homogenous culture - which perhaps is a good thing. > > ~David > > > > > When culture is not shared, when the patron distrusts the > > artist, instructions elaborate andd creation is cramped. > > > > /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:07:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40297-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67410 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:07:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 67400 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:07:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:08:43 -0500 (CDT) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5-1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx here's a good one on theory: http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521619920 > This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of > works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that > feature discussion about the scores, which included performance > instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an > actual score, but any university music department may be able to > assist you. > > ~Kyle > > On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing >> the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and >> stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply >> by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. >> > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:08:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40298-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68447 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 68437 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:07:59 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] also, a link to a very good book to read To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1tyzr8wDf42cm4hYsaHiEA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1tyzr8wDf42cm4hYsaHiEA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/index.html --Boundary_(ID_1tyzr8wDf42cm4hYsaHiEA)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:10:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40300-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70493 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 70475 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:09:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:06:46 -0400 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: RE: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003801c6e24e$eef1ac60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The canadian electroacoustic community site http://sonus.ca has quite a number of works to listen too/download...and a number of articles to read covering a wide range of issues relevant to the composition/production of electroacoustic works.......... //*-----Original Message----- //*From: Kyle Klipowicz [mailto:xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx] //*Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:02 PM //*To: microsound //*Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music //* //*This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of //*works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that //*feature discussion about the scores, which included performance //*instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an //*actual score, but any university music department may be able to //*assist you. //* //*~Kyle //* //*On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: //*> i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing //*> the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and //*> stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply //*> by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. //*> //* //*-- //* //*http://theradioproject.com //*http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com //* //*(((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) //*(())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) //*))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ //*_____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ //*((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO //* //*--------------------------------------------------------------------- //*To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx //*website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:06:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40296-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66261 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:06:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 66251 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:06:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Goddamn wikipedia.. it'd be nice if "you" could write your own retorts ;-) I guess I was really thinking more in terms of microsound.. lyrics are obvious... this isn't the folkmusic list etc.. Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > > relate to > > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) > > you really ought to get out more! ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew > http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:02:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40295-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60948 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 60924 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:01:45 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ssaTmSaW50RGsW50PVRGQAAygc6TjYvdRE9IN2BfU3D2DRpNZeKDmu2DgBrdHaSOh6oTIL6kpyT/DMpyYrL9sgjQ2/5Wnxz4x/jCRJcWORkBKllw03GHdht7WOnTtWlKpJQd0a9XzOqeaZsnqiHhK5UxX8OPyrOaJ9zYfi27rq4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is a fine suggestion. Stockausen has a very complete library of works published to CD, and most contain excellent liner notes that feature discussion about the scores, which included performance instructions. I don't know how difficult it would be to procure an actual score, but any university music department may be able to assist you. ~Kyle On 9/27/06, craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing > the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and > stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply > by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 16:01:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40294-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60261 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 60222 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:01:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. Yea I've heard of Supercollider but unfortunately I'm decidely PC only, no offense I have used all the platforms at some point. MAX BTW has been ported to the PC but I have heard it is not as stable. > I've made an awful lot of music with Perl but am pretty sick of it. > I've realised that it's better to use a language made for music. > Perl > is great for (for example) string processing but it's not always the > case that you want to treat music like a string. ChucK and > SuperCollider are made with music in mind so are much better suited. > > Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. > For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall > railed against family planning. Well I never would have guessed that.. guess I should burn all my Perl books now... although O'Reilly must have censored him in the editorial process. Again besides knowing Perl allready one of my main goals was to use something that did not lend itself to music. This was part of the theme of the festival I was preparing for. > At the moment I'm exploring using a language called Haskell98. It's > a > very pure language, and easy to expand by making new operators and so > on, so I'm hoping to make a language in it that is tailored for > making > the music I want to make. Is this it? http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell > > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how > to > > avoid loud annoying clicks. > > I don't know about csound but I guess you would need to make sure the > samples start and end at 0 by adding a small volume envelope to the > start and end. That seems obvious now but at the time I could not figure out how to do it. > Fair enough but interactive/live programming is not just a way of > performing, it's also a way of developing. If you can modify a > program > while it's running you can hear the results immediately, and so get a > tight action/reaction feedback loop that might aide creativity. But > yes, totally down to personal preference. In ChucK you do edit those > scripts live (they call it on-the-fly programming over there). It would also be easier to build the ship outside the bottle but people still build ships in bottles for the challenge. ;-0 Hehe Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:58:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40293-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56229 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:57:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 56218 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:57:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:57:50 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] point missed in a cartesian sonata To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TAl2rlor4VAbMxP6AUhtmw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_TAl2rlor4VAbMxP6AUhtmw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism > relate to > a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) you really ought to get out more! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Rzewski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew http://www.newmusicbox.org/page.nmbx?id=55tp00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_musicians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Adorno --Boundary_(ID_TAl2rlor4VAbMxP6AUhtmw)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:56:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40292-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54272 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:56:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 54246 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:56:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:55:44 -0700 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i actually found a lot of great education in preparing and performing the electroacoustic scores of cage, pauline oliveros, and stockhausen. there's a lot of great pedagogical work to be had simply by performing the scores of electroacoustic composers. On Sep 27, 2006, at 12:22 AM, mel ducasse wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and > articles which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' > of electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal > with software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at > composition techniques which were developed before computers, > techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set > of gestures. > > Thanks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:55:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40291-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53403 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:55:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 53393 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:55:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:55:43 +0100 From: Paul Sanders <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well i'm glad we got that cleared up. On 27 Sep 2006, at 16:47, { brad brace } wrote: > > Both are gifted artists. X preserves his art by means of > subtle revitalization within the context of modernization. > He is prosperous and unhappy. Y preserves his art by driving > for personal excellence with a synchronic tradition of > maintenance. He is not prosperous. He is happy. > > /:b > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:47:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40290-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49252 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:47:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 49241 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:47:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Both are gifted artists. X preserves his art by means of subtle revitalization within the context of modernization. He is prosperous and unhappy. Y preserves his art by driving for personal excellence with a synchronic tradition of maintenance. He is not prosperous. He is happy. /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:44:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40289-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46769 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:44:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 46759 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:44:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:44:23 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pIWTY0sdl008v77d+4Hg5w8sH/TX02dOigeX87rf4dBxJIhShihGdz7iDNFkv0osh5TLv3Znx0FQnnxph3OIaTK13b/l1YWF+M6c2rdhHoh2CKyOS6B/AWIh1kaEiUXwv8SpDpxQBhbCCfAWwiEaAJv9u2b2cmW3RTyFDH9Vwkc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/27/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > A mailing list like this could be considered a form a shared culture. > But not a homogenous culture - which perhaps is a good thing. it is good because otherwise the differance that exists in the liminal subterfuge of postmodern rants citing deleuze and adorno over and over and over again no punctuation no paragraphs because structure is modern and we are beyond all structure the type of writing that pays to use overhyped jargon to diffuse the idea that maybe i'm not saying anything but want to sound smart and didn't finish going to college or even reading that intro to theory textbook but oh well i picked up a few buzzwords and isms and can toss them around but don't ask me to define my thoughts that is such 20th centuryism and we are beyond that this is the digital micro age with marxian anticonsumerism and now all i care about is being confusing because that is artistic and obtuse ..._>> (because sigs are dead, long live sigs) (This is just a joke, I respect everyone, really. I just couldn't pass it up! ~Kyle) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:33:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40288-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 41213 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:32:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 41198 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:32:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:32:49 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pt+O9P2YbLh0y6AABsSxo84CqqIaFvxCjxldLxMgdW3cwduqDCogaLnqyzUZwp1F+s0/vXSYtfVEUgDYfHEK6Mjb/S98okb15F29Sq4bndNgq5cXqLudYpU5NLlFPl4dszXYTzHHwBgCgZHjHR18kI5T4Jn/6688XuJQBw9oG68= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/27/06, alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. > For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall railed > against family planning. this is completely not true! larry is a bit nuts [as are most of the people on this list] but this is what he said about family planning: > And, of course, "family planning" is for when you plan not to have a family. Go figure. > All of my kids were unplanned, but that doesn't mean they were unwanted. [http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html?page=2] as a linguist he is pointing out the inconsistency of the phrase 'family planning'. also, it was in the context of a drawn out metaphorical description about perl as one of his kids [the entire article is a good read if you have an active intellect or kids or both] and anyway, you can do whatever you want with perl [or haskell or chuck or ..]. if you make a decision on whether to use a programming language or not based on [mis-]perceived character flaws of it's creators- well ... good luck to you! > Free software always has a great buzz around, makes finding answers > to questions very easy... yeah- it's that community buzz ... btw. the most complete perl 6 implementation runs on top of haskell [in case you want to catch that community buzz again ...]. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:24:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40287-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36937 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:24:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 36926 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:24:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:24:25 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C/wRFl5AlqGSVIxNiiEMqFTbuYHySmxE5Fi2YH/fPszQi/AfwVqFj9QIpXDyVR90SsB2EqzaNA2tByf2RWml7FMWDYE7VEngLTyw5PF5+7Xllf31KY9YS+CoAlv1+ThmmwyRp6FgHRonuO3KzR59x4BGJyZGRGVje5nyGRLq+6A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I wasn't aware of artists having "patrons" these days. None of the people that enjoy my music "distrust" me. It's rather hard to understand what exactly your trying to get at. A mailing list like this could be considered a form a shared culture. But not a homogenous culture - which perhaps is a good thing. ~David > > When culture is not shared, when the patron distrusts the > artist, instructions elaborate andd creation is cramped. > > /:b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 15:06:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40286-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27170 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 27160 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Thomas Yager-Madden wrote: > On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied > > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between > > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena > > under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that > > will be purified in a certain direction. ... > > what When culture is not shared, when the patron distrusts the artist, instructions elaborate andd creation is cramped. /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 14:36:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40285-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17572 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:36:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 17562 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:36:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:12 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Intelligence is a point of reference. What one might consider intelligent, another may consider moot, or beaten to death topically. Assumptious blanket statements on the other hand... aLEKs On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:10 AM, bryan garcia wrote: > One of the aspects stupidity puts forth is that people > prefer the act of "resisting intelligence," as it > makes them feel more comfortable. > > there is a "dumbing down" of contemporary culture, > evidenced by morons who accuse you of using language > with big words. dang. > > there is a film called idiocracy written by mike > judge. but it's supposed to be "just a movie". > > being there- > > > > > --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > >> Ditto, >> >> That about sums it up for me... >> >> >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from >> music. absolutely. yadda >>> yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. >>> >>> my problem is just when the monthly socialist or >> deleuze rant is >>> considered more valid - more topical - to the >> microsound list than >>> someone posting a link to a microsound composition >> they just uploaded. >>> or some neat piece of software used to make >> microsound music. >>> >>> i mean geez. >>> >>> there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's >> that for socialist? >>> >>> delete and repeat. >>> >>> g. >>> >>> p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. >>> >>> On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: >>> >>>> Oh, I enjoy talking politics. >>>> I do it several times a day most days, actually. >>>> >>>> In politcal forums. >>>> >>>> You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call >> as to enforcing off- >>>> or on-topicness. >>>> I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. >>>> >>>> Or is that now verboten? >>>> At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. >>>> >>>> ~ !J! >>>> http://www.endif.org >>>> http://www.crunchpod.com >>>> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" >>>> <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM >>>> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't >> think so... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit >> back and enjoy the >>>>> discussion? >>>>> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste >> funny, talking about >>>>> politics is actually good for you... >>>>> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- >> unsub and start your >>>>> own list... >>>>> and also, please don't proffer censorship on >> this forum -- you can >>>>> take *that* elsewhere thank you >>>>> el hefe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 14:30:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40284-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14227 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:30:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 14217 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:30:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:30:10 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1405792.33E3%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Take Rafael Toral elsewhere? Thread-index: AcbiQW+drmCV9U40EduXWQARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved on to > making his own hardware I think. i was very disappointed with this new release by raphael toral. especially after reading the contents of the booklet and his aim towards music. check also the interview/article on him in the new issue of the wire... ralph -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 14:10:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40283-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7201 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:10:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 7190 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:10:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CPY32JAzH2BdzsxgvoQkCLqG2fNmetVOsELKrzvB7EDOhI9S5zFraRqD3FNLbpSDYN2922eQFSPbSzZCLUQjGDXLSt9EAl6kFAoa0lzjjM0BNIpjXnRWqzSh8vgFyszCSqFgJSLP+1hwtTZOr1qyS05bQQoeG/NWgADuZ1+hPkc= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One of the aspects stupidity puts forth is that people prefer the act of "resisting intelligence," as it makes them feel more comfortable. there is a "dumbing down" of contemporary culture, evidenced by morons who accuse you of using language with big words. dang. there is a film called idiocracy written by mike judge. but it's supposed to be "just a movie". being there- --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Ditto, > > That about sums it up for me... > > > > aLEKs > > > On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > > > i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from > music. absolutely. yadda > > yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. > > > > my problem is just when the monthly socialist or > deleuze rant is > > considered more valid - more topical - to the > microsound list than > > someone posting a link to a microsound composition > they just uploaded. > > or some neat piece of software used to make > microsound music. > > > > i mean geez. > > > > there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's > that for socialist? > > > > delete and repeat. > > > > g. > > > > p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. > > > > On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > > > >> Oh, I enjoy talking politics. > >> I do it several times a day most days, actually. > >> > >> In politcal forums. > >> > >> You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call > as to enforcing off- > >> or on-topicness. > >> I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. > >> > >> Or is that now verboten? > >> At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. > >> > >> ~ !J! > >> http://www.endif.org > >> http://www.crunchpod.com > >> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" > >> <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM > >> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't > think so... > >> > >> > >>> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit > back and enjoy the > >>> discussion? > >>> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste > funny, talking about > >>> politics is actually good for you... > >>> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- > unsub and start your > >>> own list... > >>> and also, please don't proffer censorship on > this forum -- you can > >>> take *that* elsewhere thank you > >>> el hefe > >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>> website: http://www.microsound.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wed Sep 27 14:03:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40282-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4627 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:03:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 4614 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:03:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FBaty6TaOrp6k9kWs0mvzw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gtolroX/4Rxxt3ECat5kvty7VWAdyp6KDPvjZLCAAIYvooRGmu3hGxdnFyOGERWlmTYbt4k5tg2pF4cjLYr/9TSVPqlzQ9qpF0B/0v/DVWMwQZ+Xn8qmR4I7uikT7izT3nz7GZOLCMI7JMQ/X159yvzaSAg5Y51mjHGBH0esoro= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_FBaty6TaOrp6k9kWs0mvzw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take it offlist. The myspace thread afforded an opportunity for list members & musicians to learn a bit more about each other and their music. New geo-political movements have little to do with microsound imo, so it's not a matter of 'not reading the thread' but the topic not being applicable to the list. In other news, I'm really enjoying Raphael Toral's new lp. He's moved on to making his own hardware I think. Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_FBaty6TaOrp6k9kWs0mvzw)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 13:33:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40281-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95768 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 95758 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:31:37 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ditto, That about sums it up for me... aLEKs On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from music. absolutely. yadda > yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. > > my problem is just when the monthly socialist or deleuze rant is > considered more valid - more topical - to the microsound list than > someone posting a link to a microsound composition they just uploaded. > or some neat piece of software used to make microsound music. > > i mean geez. > > there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's that for socialist? > > delete and repeat. > > g. > > p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. > > On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > >> Oh, I enjoy talking politics. >> I do it several times a day most days, actually. >> >> In politcal forums. >> >> You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call as to enforcing off- >> or on-topicness. >> I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. >> >> Or is that now verboten? >> At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. >> >> ~ !J! >> http://www.endif.org >> http://www.crunchpod.com >> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" >> <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM >> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... >> >> >>> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the >>> discussion? >>> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about >>> politics is actually good for you... >>> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start your >>> own list... >>> and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you can >>> take *that* elsewhere thank you >>> el hefe >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:49:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40280-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24069 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:49:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 24056 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:49:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:50:13 +1000 From: Steve Adam <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> X-Sender: xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <a05200f00c13fe69dc155@[192.168.0.100]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,224,1157299200"; d="scan'208"; a="963422272:sNHT43076552" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and >articles which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' >of electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal >with software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at >composition techniques which were developed before computers, >techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of >gestures. > >Thanks Going back to the "sources" there are (for the francophones) the publications of Pierre Schaeffer ie "Solfege de l'objet sonore" and "Trait des objets musicaux" among others. Theorists and composers associated with or influenced by the GRM may also have relevant material about. Most of them seem to speak and write in French though. Hmmm For the non-French speakers/readers (as well as the Trevor Wishart Books which have already been mentioned) a number of articles may suit (ie Denis Smalley's "Spectromorphology and Structuring processes" which is arguably an Anglicized distillation of the Schaefferian concepts. You would probably also encounter relevant articles in the journal "Organized Sound" which is a Cambridge publication. No doubt there is a whole lot more out there... S. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:22:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40279-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15209 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 15169 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:01 +0100 From: alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 18:09 -0700, Xdugef wrote: > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. I've made an awful lot of music with Perl but am pretty sick of it. I've realised that it's better to use a language made for music. Perl is great for (for example) string processing but it's not always the case that you want to treat music like a string. ChucK and SuperCollider are made with music in mind so are much better suited. Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall railed against family planning. At the moment I'm exploring using a language called Haskell98. It's a very pure language, and easy to expand by making new operators and so on, so I'm hoping to make a language in it that is tailored for making the music I want to make. > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to > avoid loud annoying clicks. I don't know about csound but I guess you would need to make sure the samples start and end at 0 by adding a small volume envelope to the start and end. > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. Fair enough but interactive/live programming is not just a way of performing, it's also a way of developing. If you can modify a program while it's running you can hear the results immediately, and so get a tight action/reaction feedback loop that might aide creativity. But yes, totally down to personal preference. In ChucK you do edit those scripts live (they call it on-the-fly programming over there). > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably > proceed to add the wav capabilities. Good luck! > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. Also has a good community behind it. The same with SuperCollider and PD. Free software always has a great buzz around, makes finding answers to questions very easy... alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:21:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40278-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14763 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 14751 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:01 +0100 From: alex <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 18:09 -0700, Xdugef wrote: > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ SuperCollider is the other obvious thing to try. I've made an awful lot of music with Perl but am pretty sick of it. I've realised that it's better to use a language made for music. Perl is great for (for example) string processing but it's not always the case that you want to treat music like a string. ChucK and SuperCollider are made with music in mind so are much better suited. Also many of the people behind Perl are complete religious nutcases. For example in a recent talk (state of the onion 10) Larry Wall railed against family planning. At the moment I'm exploring using a language called Haskell98. It's a very pure language, and easy to expand by making new operators and so on, so I'm hoping to make a language in it that is tailored for making the music I want to make. > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to > avoid loud annoying clicks. I don't know about csound but I guess you would need to make sure the samples start and end at 0 by adding a small volume envelope to the start and end. > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. Fair enough but interactive/live programming is not just a way of performing, it's also a way of developing. If you can modify a program while it's running you can hear the results immediately, and so get a tight action/reaction feedback loop that might aide creativity. But yes, totally down to personal preference. In ChucK you do edit those scripts live (they call it on-the-fly programming over there). > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably > proceed to add the wav capabilities. Good luck! > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. Also has a good community behind it. The same with SuperCollider and PD. Free software always has a great buzz around, makes finding answers to questions very easy... alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:11:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40277-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11578 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:11:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 11563 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:11:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:11:21 +0200 From: xxxxxxx@xxx.xx (Peter Plessas) Subject: Re: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at mur.at X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, both books by Trevor Wishart "Audible Design" and "On Sonic Art" may be a starting point. They focus on transformation of (recorded) sound mainly, and focus a lot on what you might call "gesture" in electroacoustic composition. regards, Peter * mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> [2006-09-27 09:22]: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and articles > which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' of > electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal with > software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at > composition techniques which were developed before computers, > techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of > gestures. > > Thanks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 07:22:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40276-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98453 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:22:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 98440 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:22:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:22:18 +0200 From: mel ducasse <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] How to... compose electroacoustic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, Does anyone have any suggestions/reading lists for books and articles which deal specifically with the gestures and 'vocabulary' of electroacoustic music? I'm not so interested in text which deal with software processes; I'd like to find something that looks at composition techniques which were developed before computers, techniques which seem (to me)to have become a fairly standard set of gestures. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 04:48:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40275-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58509 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:48:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 58499 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:48:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:48:06 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VDpzHskcW0svkHVsSGpuTuQ19g55LY144VQVvMJ37DK5slZFh98GN7A6I5kFOlC6nk8439fBFdPViqhQ/pgh0TJH/Cn/l6hw+P+hbwaTePpuRQF6CD4E2MrSgQhAze0J9n/lSwRqWN12KUnDx3y0qWQ6KuzkgbphPfKyI0yyE5k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here here! My thoughts exactly. I'm in favor of paragraphs too, with a one "ism" per paragraph maximum. ~Kyle On 9/26/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Or maybe Rebecca just isn't interested in paragraph long sentences rife with > excessive (and heavily parentheses laden) mega-syllabic nonsense... > > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? > > > > see, rebecca, this: > > > >> "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > > > >> > production" list... > > > > > > > > is snarky. > > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have to > > read > > the thread. > > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters being > > discussed. > > so the objection seems pointless. > > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > > matters > > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them and > > who > > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and how > > they > > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) and > > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one thing > > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > > doing. > > > > > > stephen > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 04:16:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40274-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48871 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:16:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 48858 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:16:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <003501c6e1da$efc2d0c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx My solution .. about a hundred pounds of delays and various noise makers including a circuit bent CD player. I mix it up though.. I did a battery only performance recently with only an amp and a heathkit tube based sine wave generator. One of my other reasons for making the Perl script was that I was trying to build a automated audio switcher and I could not find components that did not switch so fast that they created clicks between the input audio signals. So with the script I can control fade up/down the signals on a sample based level.. I still need to spend some time working on the hardware version. BTW all the vactrols I ever tried had decay times that were way too slow. Adrian --- Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Sounds interesting. > (I too have chosen to forego the laptop in favor of other means of > live > performance. ) > Describe your solution, if you would. =] > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to > anyone > > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script > is > > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > > performing live more than ever. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 03:15:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40273-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33643 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:15:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 33631 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:15:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:13 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks for info doug i guess that rules me out for Ph.d there - i barely made in through grade 11 math:) science, technology i love, but without the math i'm condemned to the pop sci section of those nice bookstores where the covers feel really expensive and smooth. i did a masters in ethnomusicology in york in toronto. they have Ph.d programs there too. i quite liked it. they are open minded to new kinds of music, electronic, experimental, academic, electo-acoustic and otherwise. but it is pretty much musicology. i really would have like to have learned more techie stuff while i was there, but the one grad course that i did take called 'electronic music composition,' well, the prof never showed up to a single class. classy, i know. michael coglan to name names. i was pissed, especially considering how much those courses cost. but that said, i have nothing but good things to say about rob bowman who runs the show there. the nicest guy you'll ever meet and is a walking encyclopedia of all things pop music. with over 35,000 records in his personal collection, i should hope so. best of all, he one the most passionate, friendly and enthusiastic teachers i have ever had. so that's my experience in a nutshell. pun intended:) all the best, g. On 25-Sep-06, at 7:56 PM, doug van nort wrote: > hi, > > i am currently a late-stage phd candidate in McGill music tech and > so know a thing > or two about the place.... > > in short, i feel it is a strong program that focuses on a > scientific/engineering approach to > the intersection of music and technology (i.e. you need a decent > math/sci background to > be considered for the grad programs). it might be for you if you > want to do scientific research > in the following areas: > > -analysis/synthesis and spectral processing of sound > -physical modeling of sound, esp. using a waveguide approach > -control/controller/sensor/gesture analysis based work > -music perception/cognition > -music information retrieval > > if you mean the undergrad program, it is more a mixture of theory > (e.g. dsp) and music/media practice. > For the major you need to be admitted to the music school, for the > minor (i believe) you simply need to be > admitted by music tech. > > you can ask me more off-list if you'd like to know more details. > > good luck > > doug > > > On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > >> Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology >> program offered at McGill University in Montreal? >> >> I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following >> year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) >> >> thank you kindly! >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! 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Wed Sep 27 02:54:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40272-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26448 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:54:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 26431 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:54:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:53:57 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... In-reply-to: <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm fine with the politics. inseparable from music. absolutely. yadda yadda. i totally agree. ditto for philosophy. my problem is just when the monthly socialist or deleuze rant is considered more valid - more topical - to the microsound list than someone posting a link to a microsound composition they just uploaded. or some neat piece of software used to make microsound music. i mean geez. there's plenty of bandwidth for everyone. how's that for socialist? delete and repeat. g. p.s. leffe brun how i love thee. On 26-Sep-06, at 10:13 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > Oh, I enjoy talking politics. > I do it several times a day most days, actually. > > In politcal forums. > > You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call as to enforcing > off- or on-topicness. > I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. > > Or is that now verboten? > At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" > <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM > Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... > > >> Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the >> discussion? >> kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about >> politics is actually good for you... >> or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start >> your own list... >> and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you >> can take *that* elsewhere thank you >> el hefe >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:30:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40270-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16943 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 16925 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:29:51 -0400 From: rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> X-Originating-IP: [141.153.193.59] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 02:29:54.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1364F90:01C6E1DC] seems to be so, suddenly. ---Original Message Follows---- From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:12 -0400 don't you mean 'your' microsound list? On 26-Sep-06, at 8:52 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >>It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our >>"let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural >>production" list... > >it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a >'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and philosophy, >not about trainspotting software and artists' list >which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 >no brag, just fact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:25:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40268-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13177 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:25:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 13166 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:25:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:12 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx don't you mean 'your' microsound list? On 26-Sep-06, at 8:52 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our >> "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in >> cultural >> production" list... > > it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually > a 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and > philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list > which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 > no brag, just fact > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:32:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40271-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18305 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:32:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 18292 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:32:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:26 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003501c6e1da$efc2d0c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sounds interesting. (I too have chosen to forego the laptop in favor of other means of live performance. ) Describe your solution, if you would. =] ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:16:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40267-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9267 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:15:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 9250 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:15:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm not confused by Chuck's timing process.. I could just as easily write something similar in Perl .. while ($now < $later) { $now++;} I just thought that was funny.. I have investigated PD as well.. I would proabbaly try it again before paying for MAX but getting under the hood does seem alot more daunting than it's interface would allow you to think. Adrian --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not any amazing programmer, but ChucK was very easy to get > started > in; there are a LOT of examples. You should be able to understand > what > you need, simply by modifying one of the included scripts. The key to > Chuck is indeed the timing part, which isn't as confusing as you > thing > if you read the examples and the manual... "now" is a chuck keyword, > but "later" in the example, would be a user defined variable, say 1 > second, so after one second, (now < later) would be false and the > loop > would end. > > You don't have to process realtime with chuck, and I'm assuming > offline processing would be much faster with chuck than with Perl. > > I use Pure Data a lot now, which is the open source version of Max. > However, the learning curve was STEEP, steeper than a normal > programming language, in my opinion. Took about a year I guess, > before > the paradigm really seemed natural for doing programming type tasks > and not just hooking up audio streams. > > ~David > > On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > >Have you considered ChucK? It might be very well suited to what > you > > >are doing... > > >~David > > > > > > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ > > > > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how > to > > avoid loud annoying clicks. > > > > In my more recent efforts one goal was to avoid any kind of > learning > > curve although by this point in time Chuck looks pretty straight > > forward to me. > > > > Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical > > challenges.. > > > > "while( now < later )" > > > > What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc > etc > > etc > > > > > > My script at this point is extremely portable assuming your sound > input > > is in text file format ..hehe > > > > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to > anyone > > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script > is > > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > > performing live more than ever. > > > > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will > probably > > proceed to add the wav capabilities. > > > > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's > available > > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. > > > > I have toyed with the idea of getting back into MAX but now I may > have > > too.. thanks > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:29:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40269-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15913 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 15903 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:29:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:13:44 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002d01c6e1da$8f54d760$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oh, I enjoy talking politics. I do it several times a day most days, actually. In politcal forums. You, as list-lord, obviously make the final call as to enforcing off- or on-topicness. I'm just expressing how I feel on the matter. Or is that now verboten? At this rate it wouldn't surprise me. ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... > Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the > discussion? > kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about politics > is actually good for you... > or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start your own > list... > and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you can take > *that* elsewhere thank you > el hefe > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 02:07:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40266-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5930 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:07:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 5920 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:07:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:05:54 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001901c6e1d9$852b5440$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Or maybe Rebecca just isn't interested in paragraph long sentences rife with excessive (and heavily parentheses laden) mega-syllabic nonsense... ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? > see, rebecca, this: > >> "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > >> > production" list... > > > > is snarky. > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have to > read > the thread. > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters being > discussed. > so the objection seems pointless. > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > matters > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them and > who > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and how > they > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) and > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one thing > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > doing. > > > stephen > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:56:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40265-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2133 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:56:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 2123 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:56:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:21 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DaCRDfLSuoVTpPv7djvZaEaGSmjCzlRlfRz4L977dNIDi0Ve8NhcVpjAwGmwhS8TWGEI9PSTuFJGRpopfBJcVd7x8SW/Gfgs3zAL5vpDWN0zpbnG++pUkiuTAVceEZX59B7goqwBx/inDnLhMyl/8SxIQo+mx1AWNc5CTqGQUxY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical > challenges.. yes. but all language is like that. > "while( now < later )" > What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc etc > etc that's how you program a [while] loop. also, don't limit your conception of time. time can be very flexible in music. chuck is fun. made some music with it without even trying too hard: http://or8.net/~johns/music/mj.mp3 -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:42:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40264-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94911 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:42:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 94901 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:42:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:42:18 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EVh6VbQIL5xB5y3XwYWXGCgWB7oe8Osn7XwCRc1eIsCOnQGcd2uyVu1zIi+3EHnrJYiAXfShrn7+ACLyHl9N/8/V+8zk5hckYY5nFIG1QwY5EVR7EGANltuyzDWWMChfnOYoFNi6IJy9Sq+FmiHnWZfnYM7rwaUHTNWDcmu4O6I= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, I'm not any amazing programmer, but ChucK was very easy to get started in; there are a LOT of examples. You should be able to understand what you need, simply by modifying one of the included scripts. The key to Chuck is indeed the timing part, which isn't as confusing as you thing if you read the examples and the manual... "now" is a chuck keyword, but "later" in the example, would be a user defined variable, say 1 second, so after one second, (now < later) would be false and the loop would end. You don't have to process realtime with chuck, and I'm assuming offline processing would be much faster with chuck than with Perl. I use Pure Data a lot now, which is the open source version of Max. However, the learning curve was STEEP, steeper than a normal programming language, in my opinion. Took about a year I guess, before the paradigm really seemed natural for doing programming type tasks and not just hooking up audio streams. ~David On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >Have you considered ChucK? It might be very well suited to what you > >are doing... > >~David > > > Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ > > The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was > trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to > avoid loud annoying clicks. > > In my more recent efforts one goal was to avoid any kind of learning > curve although by this point in time Chuck looks pretty straight > forward to me. > > Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical > challenges.. > > "while( now < later )" > > What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc etc > etc > > > My script at this point is extremely portable assuming your sound input > is in text file format ..hehe > > Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone > who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is > live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but > realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am > performing live more than ever. > > I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move > forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably > proceed to add the wav capabilities. > > Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available > on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. > > I have toyed with the idea of getting back into MAX but now I may have > too.. thanks > > Adrian > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:16:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40263-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85345 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:16:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 85335 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:16:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:16:03 -0400 From: rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [141.153.193.59] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 01:16:03.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[803F9470:01C6E1D2] well, gee, I guess we should bend the rules because your ire is up. uh, huh. Today's Quotation: "I don't care where I sit, as long as I get fed." Calvin Trillin xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] our microsound list Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:34 -0700 >It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our >"let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural >production" list... it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 no brag, just fact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:15:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40262-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84104 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:15:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 84092 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:15:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] our microsound list In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hmm.. I would neve rhave guessed that ;-) From the homepage.. ".microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing (dsp) tools. ..microsound is not a "genre" mailing list, since this proliferation has occurred largely without regard for stylistic boundary. instead, ..microsound presents itself as a forum for the discussion and exploration of a more general "digital aesthetic" manifesting across a wide variety of styles and disciplines -- from academic computer music to post-industrial noise to experimental ambient and post-techno. " I guess one could translate style into philosophy but some of the threads in question don't seem to ever stay on track of connecting these philosophies to music. Maybe I missed the point but as an example how does socialism relate to a style of music? <- see I'm making this appropriately topical. ;-) Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our > > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in > cultural > > production" list... > > it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a > > 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and > philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list > which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 > no brag, just fact > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 01:09:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40261-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81222 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:09:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 81212 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:09:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Chuck In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Have you considered ChucK? It might be very well suited to what you >are doing... >~David Chuck looks very interesting.. http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ The main reason I abandoned Csound back in the day is because I was trying to mainly work with samples and I could not figure out how to avoid loud annoying clicks. In my more recent efforts one goal was to avoid any kind of learning curve although by this point in time Chuck looks pretty straight forward to me. Although some of the code seems to impose some philosophical challenges.. "while( now < later )" What the f...??? time is just a loop.. time is just a loop.. etc etc etc My script at this point is extremely portable assuming your sound input is in text file format ..hehe Also since I am avoiding being a laptop performer (no offense to anyone who is..simply my preference) I don't really care if my perl script is live or not. In some perverse way I like that it is anything but realtime.. it's an interesting limitation especially since I am performing live more than ever. I have enough time into my Perl script that I will of course move forward and try to finish it's second manifestation and will probably proceed to add the wav capabilities. Pros of chuck are: It's free, It appears very capable, It's available on all the major platforms, appears relatively easy. I have toyed with the idea of getting back into MAX but now I may have too.. thanks Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:52:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40260-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74985 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:52:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 74973 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:52:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:34 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] our microsound list To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > production" list... it's actually NOT off topic because the microsound list is actually a 'let's discuss topics and issues pertaining to aesthetics and philosophy, not about trainspotting software and artists' list which I started with Andy and Sean in 1999 no brag, just fact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:47:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40259-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72352 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 72332 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:46:51 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] take it elsewhere? I don't think so... To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jason -- why don't you just tough it up, sit back and enjoy the discussion? kinda like tofu, even though it might taste funny, talking about politics is actually good for you... or if these sorts of things really rile you -- unsub and start your own list... and also, please don't proffer censorship on this forum -- you can take *that* elsewhere thank you el hefe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:22:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40258-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61894 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:22:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 61882 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:22:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:22:38 -0600 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] One more Cage story In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One more story from John Cage: At the New School once I was substituting for Henry Cowell, teaching a class in Oriental music. I had told him I didnt know anything about the subject. He said, Thats all right. Just go where the records are. Take one out. Play it and then discuss it with the class. Well, I took out the first record. It was an LP of a Buddhist service. It began with a short microtonal chant with sliding tones, then soon settled into a single loud reiterated percussive beat. This noise continued relentlessly for about fifteen minutes with no perceptible variation. A lady got up and screamed, and then yelled, Take it off. I cant bear it any longer. I took it off. A man in the class then said angrily, Whyd you take it off? I was just getting interested. Many other Cage stories here: http://www.lcdf.org/indeterminacy/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 00:19:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40257-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60157 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:19:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 60123 invoked from network); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:19:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5032 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ntxAUC8QG606/rGhmHIfHg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ntxAUC8QG606/rGhmHIfHg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can we take scissors to this thread? Make sound, make noise...... Snip, snip, snip. --Boundary_(ID_ntxAUC8QG606/rGhmHIfHg)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:27:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40256-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40235 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:27:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 40225 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:27:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:27:36 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Making sound with Perl- Was:Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V+uXy3Qe9oTIhk4Hr6Gg3Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=M1TpqYt4vNKBJ+6zjbebyJ3cfG8LqZOSs5//cQA71ZHegWzMaBQLdDmDh6moVIA1KIdNS3OySD3wL+DvgMkT3G21ii6nqgV11On4ATqea3+A7ZfPOa0OO1/+hg8vIiwsioOwRotQFbr0OWYT4kOmdn9TtBOKA2PLwSFqiMDyO/U= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_V+uXy3Qe9oTIhk4Hr6Gg3Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i really didnt care about myspace. i was interested for a while, then i began to follow my own advice and stopped following the thread. frankly, i am not interested in getting into an argument about arguments, so that wraps up my involvement with this matter. .. On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Given that hardly anyone wants to talk about sound on this list then > what the hell.. but where were you when people were up in arms about > people posting their myspace links??? > > To recap people may or may not object to the submatter that is offtopic > but that is trumped by the fact that it may or may not generate large > amounts of mail and people may or may not wish to get digests because > they they cannot sort messages by thread. > > Anyway anybody want to talk about making sound with Perl?? > > Adrian > > --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > see, rebecca, this: > > > > > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in > > cultural > > > > > > production" list... > > > > > > > > is snarky. > > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have > > to read > > the thread. > > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters > > being > > discussed. > > so the objection seems pointless. > > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > > matters > > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them > > and who > > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and > > how they > > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) > > and > > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one > > thing > > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > > doing. > > > > > > stephen > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_V+uXy3Qe9oTIhk4Hr6Gg3Q)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:26:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40255-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38913 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:26:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 38903 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:26:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:26:19 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Making sound with Perl- Was:Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NgzK2ifdOdHPWxmBJ5nq8vjI/iqEOKpmskovR2HNW0QtfpPbMQxoBCesrI5rYSVxPYO55rgzxSQBmvr0KranOAmiqSwNe/dqptfYhh98pH0KYTXN2+Ydvg3XgwW2hHMPUciB00OcLrXlIBEh5IXdqDoqh+D32d+Q+v2LF509MPU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've written generative MIDI files with Python - never Perl though. Have you made sound with Perl? How did you do it, and why Perl? ~David On 9/26/06, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Anyway anybody want to talk about making sound with Perl?? > > Adrian > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:24:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40254-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36730 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:23:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 36711 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:23:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Making sound with Perl- Was:Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Given that hardly anyone wants to talk about sound on this list then what the hell.. but where were you when people were up in arms about people posting their myspace links??? To recap people may or may not object to the submatter that is offtopic but that is trumped by the fact that it may or may not generate large amounts of mail and people may or may not wish to get digests because they they cannot sort messages by thread. Anyway anybody want to talk about making sound with Perl?? Adrian --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > see, rebecca, this: > > > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in > cultural > > > > production" list... > > > > is snarky. > if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have > to read > the thread. > it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters > being > discussed. > so the objection seems pointless. > and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. > > there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such > matters > by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not > understand themselves as being separated from the world around them > and who > wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and > how they > do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) > and > wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither > transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one > thing > and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or > doing. > > > stephen > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 23:14:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40253-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31711 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:14:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 31699 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:14:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:14:29 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qYZxtfFQpuf91EjHGgpZtg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JnfCqGhO/DbNSoHab3JJRLwXcJRQBOkD3E9tPPDye3Dg6uWR0Aa5YHgPv4vEVDGIyLQPwV4gxhL2PQ7Vc3o8wc0N4iXr7FBlJRfNJ93Cb34IYY4SXSV4F4OBZIx3h6NNA2G8njM+nbct4rloVQZUi+VYLE/gl0rjEf95q2JBo4g= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qYZxtfFQpuf91EjHGgpZtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit see, rebecca, this: > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > > production" list... is snarky. if you are not interested in this kind of thing, then you dont have to read the thread. it does not and would not operate to the exclusion of other matters being discussed. so the objection seems pointless. and the solution for dealing with the objection is pretty simple. there is not reason to announce that you are not interested in such matters by patronizing those of us who might be----you know, folk who do not understand themselves as being separated from the world around them and who wonder sometimes what the interactions are between what they do and how they do it (not that one can talk about this without bragging apparently) and wider socio-political formations because these relations are neither transparent nor obvious--or those who are not just interested in one thing and who wonder about how to integrate different types of thinking or doing. stephen --Boundary_(ID_qYZxtfFQpuf91EjHGgpZtg)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 22:43:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40252-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18891 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:43:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 18880 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:43:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:43:10 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hjrOw+s9nzBqsmoAt1zFhUOWeuNWeBni43hy2EVV6Xn+BIxXH8lCaS/+1BY1NDCCMNghBR2RBc6ZHMzq63cDSc2m7813RhkPW7ot5sIEW+DqUCZ3NY/wfydEjZ7gD8kZcqQWhn7NNFDQsFFmkfx2hDGCRHWXpgLZ11/PVC0UrV8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, i'm sick of all the ism-ists. ~Kyle On 9/26/06, rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our > "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural > production" list... I'm sure we can find a large number of those, for when > we're so inclined. > > Today's Quotation: > "I used to be easy going. Now I'm just easy." Mr.M, after ten shots of > tequila. > xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort. > i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the > relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is > somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural > production... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 22:32:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40251-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13734 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:31:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 13722 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:31:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:31:42 -0400 From: rebecca salame <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [141.153.193.59] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2006 22:31:44.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B8D6030:01C6E1BB] It's offtopic because this is our microsound list, not our "let's all brag and sound off because we're all so engaged in cultural production" list... I'm sure we can find a large number of those, for when we're so inclined. Today's Quotation: "I used to be easy going. Now I'm just easy." Mr.M, after ten shots of tequila. xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Hastings-King" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort. i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural production... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 22:26:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40250-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9762 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 9746 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:25:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:25:51 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? In-reply-to: <001101c6e1b6$3c1cdda0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mnrFSCkgSMBwlafcdongsA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fNVWW89EqP4JsT7r4WRA5sgbX2FPUxsxQtJZ4siiaqzIePrlAEVcwucAL4lxqR4P2lmg2WF8QQbYzXqKH76ywwsSfx5JDSX/R87Hi+Kqf8AMwzg3YLeVON765ClriXtTYxSseeTKAflQ7FI/kv9QDySw3LBmFLsPDw0PO73dBxU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <001101c6e1b6$3c1cdda0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mnrFSCkgSMBwlafcdongsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort. i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural production. as for the last thread on this topic--maybe it will function as an object lesson and would result in a more coherent and less needlessly snarky discussion this time. if people disagree about how to characterise the contexts.....then so what? they disagree......disagreement can be constructive even....it is possible to maintain civility across disagreement...if that breaks down, the problem is not the disagreement but how folk choose to comport themselves in the face of it. that was the problem in the last thread, not the subject matter. On 9/26/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Lovely discussion, really. > Much more sanity than the last completely off topic geopolitical thread. > > But given that it is totally off topic, > and given the ludicrous mudfest that the last one became, > can we maybe nix this one? > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bryan garcia" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization > > > > can we explore, for the sake of context, what other > > dynamics might be born of other global political > > systems ? > > > > i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism, > > utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems > > offer that dont get us bogged down into some other > > negative dynamic. > > > > > > also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics > > resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ? > > perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the > > types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and > > fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of > > competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ? > > examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op > > ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms > > of this same capitialistic economy. > > > > i would be interested in what people imagine can > > happen under alternative global political systems ? > > i.e.(nazism ?) > > > > and if those systems can function any better than > > global capitalism has. > > > > theoritcally, > > > > b.g. > > > > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > >> The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces > >> of progress that > >> sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to > >> activate intense > >> reterritorializations, such as violent > >> fundamentalisms and > >> nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally > >> generated by > >> global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are > >> not a form of > >> resistance to modernization, but are part of the > >> same dynamic. > >> Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some > >> ahistorical, > >> eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global > >> political-economic > >> system in its current form. Different > >> political-economic systems would > >> generate different dynamics. > >> > >> ~David > >> > >> On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > >> > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be > >> satisfied > >> > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict > >> between > >> > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of > >> phenomena > >> > under the rubric of modernization, we project a > >> future that > >> > will be purified in a certain direction. With only > >> the > >> > craven desire for stability to overcome, the > >> victory of > >> > modernization seems assured, and the world must > >> progress > >> > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the > >> commercial, the > >> > secular, the individual, and the international. > >> There is, > >> > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious > >> resistance > >> > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the > >> creative, the > >> > sacred, the collective, and the local. This > >> countervailing > >> > force is underestimated because we have not yet > >> learned, as > >> > we have with modernization, to gather its > >> disparate signs > >> > under one label. Oppositional actions do not > >> connect > >> > directly; they align independently in negative > >> response to > >> > modernization, the force also called, depending > >> upon > >> > context, progress, development, secularization, > >> > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. > >> The goal > >> > is not maintenance; the orientation is > >> progressive, but the > >> > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to > >> imagine > >> > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies > >> involving > >> > handicraft, the concern for environmental > >> conservation and > >> > historic preservation, the profusion of civic > >> festivals, the > >> > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of > >> nativism, > >> > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary > >> values in > >> > politics and education, the convergence of > >> alternative > >> > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious > >> revival, the > >> > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in > >> Buddhism, > >> > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to > >> encompass: > >> > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on > >> Indian > >> > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built > >> in > >> > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in > >> Japan, new > >> > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and > >> Romania, > >> > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political > >> order in Iran, > >> > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, > >> fundamentalism > >> > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in > >> > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, > >> Saraswati Puja > >> > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, > >> name it > >> > revitalization, and it is a power to balance > >> modernization. > >> > > >> > brad brace sound: > >> > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > >> > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> > website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Tue Sep 26 21:54:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40249-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96877 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 96867 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:34:09 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Take it elsewhere? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001101c6e1b6$3c1cdda0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Lovely discussion, really. Much more sanity than the last completely off topic geopolitical thread. But given that it is totally off topic, and given the ludicrous mudfest that the last one became, can we maybe nix this one? ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan garcia" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization > can we explore, for the sake of context, what other > dynamics might be born of other global political > systems ? > > i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism, > utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems > offer that dont get us bogged down into some other > negative dynamic. > > > also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics > resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ? > perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the > types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and > fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of > competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ? > examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op > ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms > of this same capitialistic economy. > > i would be interested in what people imagine can > happen under alternative global political systems ? > i.e.(nazism ?) > > and if those systems can function any better than > global capitalism has. > > theoritcally, > > b.g. > > > --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces >> of progress that >> sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to >> activate intense >> reterritorializations, such as violent >> fundamentalisms and >> nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally >> generated by >> global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are >> not a form of >> resistance to modernization, but are part of the >> same dynamic. >> Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some >> ahistorical, >> eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global >> political-economic >> system in its current form. Different >> political-economic systems would >> generate different dynamics. >> >> ~David >> >> On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> >> wrote: >> > >> > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a >> > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be >> satisfied >> > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict >> between >> > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of >> phenomena >> > under the rubric of modernization, we project a >> future that >> > will be purified in a certain direction. With only >> the >> > craven desire for stability to overcome, the >> victory of >> > modernization seems assured, and the world must >> progress >> > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the >> commercial, the >> > secular, the individual, and the international. >> There is, >> > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious >> resistance >> > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the >> creative, the >> > sacred, the collective, and the local. This >> countervailing >> > force is underestimated because we have not yet >> learned, as >> > we have with modernization, to gather its >> disparate signs >> > under one label. Oppositional actions do not >> connect >> > directly; they align independently in negative >> response to >> > modernization, the force also called, depending >> upon >> > context, progress, development, secularization, >> > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. >> The goal >> > is not maintenance; the orientation is >> progressive, but the >> > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to >> imagine >> > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies >> involving >> > handicraft, the concern for environmental >> conservation and >> > historic preservation, the profusion of civic >> festivals, the >> > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of >> nativism, >> > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary >> values in >> > politics and education, the convergence of >> alternative >> > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious >> revival, the >> > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in >> Buddhism, >> > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to >> encompass: >> > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on >> Indian >> > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built >> in >> > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in >> Japan, new >> > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and >> Romania, >> > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political >> order in Iran, >> > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, >> fundamentalism >> > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in >> > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, >> Saraswati Puja >> > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, >> name it >> > revitalization, and it is a power to balance >> modernization. >> > >> > brad brace sound: >> > http://69.64.229.114:8000 >> > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> > >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Tue Sep 26 21:19:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40248-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83108 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:19:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 83081 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:19:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0OmXfe0X8F4KS0Xa1KHhbvUFWkeDAe2rW/VPNGXtaoES9Duf4R2PiTyeN9vgZm4DpPhpaEcRS+qbKqo1BEIWCggFA7/u3TIdhZq7yUp0nYcWAo0zflh5aFZBlwBUo1Z679yeR8kUfsDuMUQqQWhQsl5vLkORZ0fAeqd/9NVbfkA= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx can we explore, for the sake of context, what other dynamics might be born of other global political systems ? i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism, utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems offer that dont get us bogged down into some other negative dynamic. also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ? perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ? examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms of this same capitialistic economy. i would be interested in what people imagine can happen under alternative global political systems ? i.e.(nazism ?) and if those systems can function any better than global capitalism has. theoritcally, b.g. --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces > of progress that > sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to > activate intense > reterritorializations, such as violent > fundamentalisms and > nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally > generated by > global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are > not a form of > resistance to modernization, but are part of the > same dynamic. > Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some > ahistorical, > eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global > political-economic > system in its current form. Different > political-economic systems would > generate different dynamics. > > ~David > > On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be > satisfied > > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict > between > > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of > phenomena > > under the rubric of modernization, we project a > future that > > will be purified in a certain direction. With only > the > > craven desire for stability to overcome, the > victory of > > modernization seems assured, and the world must > progress > > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the > commercial, the > > secular, the individual, and the international. > There is, > > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious > resistance > > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the > creative, the > > sacred, the collective, and the local. This > countervailing > > force is underestimated because we have not yet > learned, as > > we have with modernization, to gather its > disparate signs > > under one label. Oppositional actions do not > connect > > directly; they align independently in negative > response to > > modernization, the force also called, depending > upon > > context, progress, development, secularization, > > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. > The goal > > is not maintenance; the orientation is > progressive, but the > > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to > imagine > > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies > involving > > handicraft, the concern for environmental > conservation and > > historic preservation, the profusion of civic > festivals, the > > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of > nativism, > > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary > values in > > politics and education, the convergence of > alternative > > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious > revival, the > > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in > Buddhism, > > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to > encompass: > > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on > Indian > > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built > in > > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in > Japan, new > > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and > Romania, > > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political > order in Iran, > > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, > fundamentalism > > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in > > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, > Saraswati Puja > > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, > name it > > revitalization, and it is a power to balance > modernization. > > > > brad brace sound: > > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Tue Sep 26 18:13:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40247-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96529 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:13:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 96519 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:13:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:13:15 -0500 From: Thomas Yager-Madden <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FwRsvynn4XVULSyjLHiYYpFpz7ewu5H0UgGFK/uRtYB0CGG0qXmff0ejwhNuBqoW99mObBpui8gooBqX5LhTcBeqt0ggUEDp5WBZyPL4bkw+usz7ucFfZ8FOSxtDeUBB7C/KMy5MN8cr/qmkx0qe6FMZqYKFzc/E6N60/WoF1UQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena > under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that > will be purified in a certain direction. ... what --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 15:46:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40246-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36687 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:45:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 36676 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:45:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:45:48 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DdUl7OYd4gi6CkvSD3+fi4MNClt80LpJfSHlJxsxzIY9t1xRJmwMUn+oxn8KNOROP1cIipii4uH1vVZNe2+GaD907Xbc/9vY3UQQalFoBKnT9NDZjUIJSo2VI7f0MXUN9YCwkL+7ZMg9ZnUJ/x9E2XdCmfEdO+FI0f7rUTD5p2I= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces of progress that sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to activate intense reterritorializations, such as violent fundamentalisms and nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally generated by global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are not a form of resistance to modernization, but are part of the same dynamic. Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some ahistorical, eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global political-economic system in its current form. Different political-economic systems would generate different dynamics. ~David On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena > under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that > will be purified in a certain direction. With only the > craven desire for stability to overcome, the victory of > modernization seems assured, and the world must progress > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the commercial, the > secular, the individual, and the international. There is, > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious resistance > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the creative, the > sacred, the collective, and the local. This countervailing > force is underestimated because we have not yet learned, as > we have with modernization, to gather its disparate signs > under one label. Oppositional actions do not connect > directly; they align independently in negative response to > modernization, the force also called, depending upon > context, progress, development, secularization, > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. The goal > is not maintenance; the orientation is progressive, but the > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to imagine > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies involving > handicraft, the concern for environmental conservation and > historic preservation, the profusion of civic festivals, the > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of nativism, > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary values in > politics and education, the convergence of alternative > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious revival, the > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in Buddhism, > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to encompass: > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on Indian > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built in > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in Japan, new > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and Romania, > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political order in Iran, > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, fundamentalism > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, Saraswati Puja > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, name it > revitalization, and it is a power to balance modernization. > > brad brace sound: > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 14:49:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40245-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13513 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 13503 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Revitalization In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be satisfied with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict between stability and change. Collecting a congeries of phenomena under the rubric of modernization, we project a future that will be purified in a certain direction. With only the craven desire for stability to overcome, the victory of modernization seems assured, and the world must progress toward the mechanized, the artificial, the commercial, the secular, the individual, and the international. There is, however, an oppositional force of self-conscious resistance on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the creative, the sacred, the collective, and the local. This countervailing force is underestimated because we have not yet learned, as we have with modernization, to gather its disparate signs under one label. Oppositional actions do not connect directly; they align independently in negative response to modernization, the force also called, depending upon context, progress, development, secularization, industrialization, westernization, or colonialism. The goal is not maintenance; the orientation is progressive, but the dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to imagine the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies involving handicraft, the concern for environmental conservation and historic preservation, the profusion of civic festivals, the resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of nativism, and nationalism, the institution of reactionary values in politics and education, the convergence of alternative ideology and spiritual yearning in religious revival, the new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to encompass: The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on Indian television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built in Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in Japan, new music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and Romania, rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political order in Iran, rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec, fundamentalism in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city, Saraswati Puja at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together, name it revitalization, and it is a power to balance modernization. brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 12:16:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40244-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59619 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:16:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 59602 invoked from network); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:16:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:16:13 +0300 From: gig_dept <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 20 Sep 2006 21:10:53 -0000 Issue 1682 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000601c6e165$8f0e8dc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Mail-Scanner: Scanned by qSheff 1.0 (http://www.enderunix.org/qsheff/) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx tr ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: microsound Digest 20 Sep 2006 21:10:53 -0000 Issue 1682 > microsound Digest 20 Sep 2006 21:10:53 -0000 Issue 1682 > > Topics (messages 40215 through 40223): > > Re: degree programs in digital music? > 40215 by: Graham Miller > 40216 by: mcnafong.mnsi.net > > reminder > 40217 by: Kim Cascone > > Windows version of IanniX released > 40218 by: Cyrill > 40219 by: discos invisibles > 40220 by: Cyrill > 40221 by: Cyrill > 40222 by: Sune Smek > 40223 by: wind.mikrokiko.de > > Administrivia: > > To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > To post to the list, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:21 -0400 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? > Message-Id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > > not to be confused with york university in toronto which is still not > aware that technology and music have anything to do with each other:) > > g. > > On 17-Sep-06, at 5:05 AM, Peter Worth wrote: > >> i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York >> (UK). The music research centre there is excellent: >> http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/ >> >> On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced >>> degrees >>> in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of >>> ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are >>> particularly >>> strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music >>> theorist, >>> but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, >>> and am >>> doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to >>> mention a few of these programs in my research. >>> >>> Thanks so much, >>> Arielle Saiber >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:25:40 -0400 > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > From: "xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? > Message-ID: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> > > The University of Michigan has a "Performing Arts and Technology" degree > that is under the umbrella of the=20 > School of Music here=2E Students also take courses in Screen Arts and > Cultures - in particular Digital Media=20 > courses=2E There are a number of students who are working in Electronic > Mu= > sic > and Electro-acoustic=2E > > cheers > > Chris > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Graham Miller xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eca > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:21 -0400 > To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg > Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music=3F > > not to be confused with york university in toronto which is still not =20 > aware that technology and music have anything to do with each other:) > > g=2E > > On 17-Sep-06, at 5:05 AM, Peter Worth wrote: > >> i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York >> (UK)=2E The music research centre there is excellent: >> http://music=2Eyork=2Eac=2Euk/mrc/ >> >> On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx=2Eedu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced =20 >>> degrees >>> in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of >>> ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are =20 >>> particularly >>> strong in digital music=2E I am neither a musician nor a music =20 >>> theorist, >>> but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, =20 >>> and am >>> doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory=2E I'd like to= > >>> mention a few of these programs in my research=2E >>> >>> Thanks so much, >>> Arielle Saiber >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >>> website: http://www=2Emicrosound=2Eorg >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg >> website: http://www=2Emicrosound=2Eorg > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx=2Eorg > website: http://www=2Emicrosound=2Eorg > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:30:44 -0700 > To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: reminder > Message-Id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > folks, > a reminder: there is no cross-posting or announcements allowed on > this main list...if you have something you want to promote please > post it to the announcements list...see the microsound website for > info on how to sub... > thanks > KIM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:49:30 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > --0-1004931006-1158720570=:11534 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hello > > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > windows users. > > You can find it at: > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > Please report us any bug you may find... > > Yours, > Cyrill. > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1/min. > --0-1004931006-1158720570=:11534-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:26:21 -0700 > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: "discos invisibles" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> > > I receive an error message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> Hello >> >> This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> windows users. >> >> You can find it at: >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> >> Please report us any bug you may find... >> >> Yours, >> Cyrill. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1/min. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:34:55 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > --0-2041192334-1158726895=:33513 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > OK, thanks for the bug report. I'll try to fix it asap. > > Meanwhile I think it should work if you install mingw, available from > sourceforge at: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mingw/MinGW-5.0.3.exe?download > > Cyrill > > discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" > To: "microsound" > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> Hello >> >> This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> windows users. >> >> You can find it at: >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> >> Please report us any bug you may find... >> >> Yours, >> Cyrill. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1/min. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > --0-2041192334-1158726895=:33513-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:22:13 -0700 (PDT) > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > --0-2064075479-1158740533=:81462 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hello > this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > pcs and i cannot really test it... > > Cyrill. > > discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" > To: "microsound" > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> Hello >> >> This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> windows users. >> >> You can find it at: >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> >> Please report us any bug you may find... >> >> Yours, >> Cyrill. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1/min. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > --0-2064075479-1158740533=:81462-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: "Sune Smek" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> > > ------=_Part_114353_27032641.1158743568387 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Hello >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows >> pcs and i cannot really test it... >> >> Cyrill. >> >> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cyrill" >> To: "microsound" >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released >> >> >> > Hello >> > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> > windows users. >> > >> > You can find it at: >> > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D174402&package_i= > d=3D204701&release_id=3D448751 >> > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... >> > >> > Yours, >> > Cyrill. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> > rates starting at 1=A2/min. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. >> > > ------=_Part_114353_27032641.1158743568387-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:03:32 +0200 > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > From: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx > Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Message-ID: <xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xx-xxxxxx.xx> > > hi; > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > download it from > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > j ,. > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. >> >> On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows >>> pcs and i cannot really test it... >>> >>> Cyrill. >>> >>> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error >>> message while installing 'unable to locate component' >>> (mingwm10.dll was not found) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cyrill" >>> To: "microsound" >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM >>> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released >>> >>> >>> > Hello >>> > >>> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >>> > windows users. >>> > >>> > You can find it at: >>> > >>> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >>> > >>> > Please report us any bug you may find... >>> > >>> > Yours, >>> > Cyrill. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Mon Sep 25 23:56:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40243-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46279 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:56:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 46266 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:56:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:27 -0400 From: doug van nort <xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi, i am currently a late-stage phd candidate in McGill music tech and so know a thing or two about the place.... in short, i feel it is a strong program that focuses on a scientific/engineering approach to the intersection of music and technology (i.e. you need a decent math/sci background to be considered for the grad programs). it might be for you if you want to do scientific research in the following areas: -analysis/synthesis and spectral processing of sound -physical modeling of sound, esp. using a waveguide approach -control/controller/sensor/gesture analysis based work -music perception/cognition -music information retrieval if you mean the undergrad program, it is more a mixture of theory (e.g. dsp) and music/media practice. For the major you need to be admitted to the music school, for the minor (i believe) you simply need to be admitted by music tech. you can ask me more off-list if you'd like to know more details. good luck doug On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology program > offered at McGill University in Montreal? > > I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following > year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) > > thank you kindly! > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2/min or less. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 23:24:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40242-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35959 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:23:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 35947 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:23:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:23:50 -0600 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bill Jarboe wrote: > Oooh tell us a John Cage zen story (?) > > -b Music and mushrooms: two words next to one another in many dictionaries. Where did he write /The Three-Penny Opera?/ Now hes buried below the grass at the foot of High Tor. Once the season changes from summer to fall, given sufficient rain, or just the mysterious dampness thats in the earth, mushrooms grow there, carrying on, I am sure, his business of working with sounds. That we have no ears to hear the music the spores shot off from basidia make obliges us to busy ourselves microphonically. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 22:37:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40241-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18735 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:36:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 18725 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:36:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:36:50 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.21 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QyN9LctKoPr/KgxC3ohrOX7YU+Z4sWDgyo8P1CpuaU++uI0oSEXSuwzrkLh9BfB/; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609d6d09b950b23d2a1637de9882c55fa32350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oooh tell us a John Cage zen story (?) -b On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Thomas Ashcraft wrote: > > I went to school at McGill in the early 1970s and graduated in 1975. I > remember spending many hours in the music library listening room in > the music school on Sherbrooke Street, under headphones listening to > vinyl records of John Cage zen stories, Stockhausen, Charles Ives, > folkways field recordings, Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, on and on. > Sweet memories. I also heard some interesting and challenging > concerts during those years there at McGill like low volumed Morton > Feldman pieces and other works. But I don't remember much > technological nor electronic music! > > Wish I could give you further info. Good luck in any case. > > Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 20:29:25 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40240-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57057 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:29:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 57043 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:29:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:29:05 -0600 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I went to school at McGill in the early 1970s and graduated in 1975. I remember spending many hours in the music library listening room in the music school on Sherbrooke Street, under headphones listening to vinyl records of John Cage zen stories, Stockhausen, Charles Ives, folkways field recordings, Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, on and on. Sweet memories. I also heard some interesting and challenging concerts during those years there at McGill like low volumed Morton Feldman pieces and other works. But I don't remember much technological nor electronic music! Wish I could give you further info. Good luck in any case. Tom > > On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > >> Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology program >> offered at McGill University in Montreal? >> >> I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following >> year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) >> >> thank you kindly! >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 19:48:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40239-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33571 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:48:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 33557 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:48:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:48:11 -0400 From: Owen Meyers <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i finished my bachelor of music with honours in music technology at mcgill a couple of years ago, so i was very much involved with the music technology deptartment. first off, mcgill is a great school and montreal an even better city. when i was there they were still developing their program and in the process of hiring new faculty members. but i believe they now have a very strong program. depending on your interests, there's ichiro fujinaga for mir, philippe depalle for dsp, marcelo wanderley for gestural control, and gary scavone for audio synthesis. there is also cirmmt, the centre for interdisciplinary research in music media and technology, and a great sound recording department. they also recently built a new music building, though i'm not sure if the music tech dept has moved in yet. i didn't stick around for the masters degree because i found the graduate workspace to be a bit cramped and tucked away in the back corner of the music building. however, i'm sure things have changed now that they have the new building. On Sep 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, t p wrote: > Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology > program offered at McGill University in Montreal? > > I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following > year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) > > thank you kindly! > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 00:41:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40238-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5295 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:40:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 5284 invoked from network); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:40:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:36:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Connexion Bizarre Newsletter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Connexion Bizarre Newsletter 2006-09-25 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Connexion Bizarre Newsletter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20060925023443.31611788.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Dada Mail 2.9.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bFLVQkLLkBH3XXnXU37rUQ)"; charset=iso-8859-1 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx List: connexion List-URL: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/connexion/> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at netside.nl X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Owner: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/s/connexion/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Archive: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/connexion/> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Id: <connexion.masteen.netside.nl> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_bFLVQkLLkBH3XXnXU37rUQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Connexion Bizarre Greetings, The *Connexion Bizarre (dot) net* website was updated on 2006-09-25 with a new webcast, new reviews, and a few recommended links. Reviewed this week were rian English "Beyond Words", C/A/T "ATF", Coreline "Please Keep Moving Forward". This week's webcast, features "Unspeakable terrors from beyond space and time" with music selection by DJ Fork Surgery and DJ Istabmyhead and "Parachutes are for pussies!" with music selection by M.. Also this week, we announce the winners of the CD "Materia Oscura" give-away competition (see below for details). Don't hesitate to contact us with questions, constructive comments, suggestions and even potential requests for the online radio, etc. Best regards, the Connexion Bizarre crew (*www.connexionbizarre.net*) We had four copies of the compilation "Materia Oscura" to give away, courtesy of the Sistinas record label. This label sampler compilation contains tracks by Vuxnut, Broken Fabiola, The Operative, Hazing Ritual and others. The winners were: Derek W. (uk), Nidia S. (pt), Boris B. (be) and David H. (uk)/. *Connexion Bizarre events status:* *"Dungeon Pop"* @ "Justine" bar /30/09, saturday, 10.00pm-4.00am; Rua de Cedofeita, 516, Porto./ M. & Joo present a selection of fetish soundtracks, dungeon music, dark ambient, angstpop and ritual music. *"Bodypop"* @ "Era Uma Vez No Porto" bar /14/10, saturday, 10.30pm-3.00am; Rua do Passeio Alegre, 550, Porto./ Menu: synthpop, electropop, idm-pop, porn-pop, bodypop! *Connexion Bizarre radio show @ Radio Zero* The Connexion Bizarre radio show can be streamed every Friday at 23:00 GMT and Saturday at 19:00 GMT from Radio Zero. Music selection follows each week's second part of our webcast. Webcast *Part 1 - *Click here to stream or right-click to download** ("Unspeakable terrors from beyond space and time" with music selection by DJ Fork Surgery and DJ Istabmyhead) *Mad EP - /Hz*/ [/Eating movies/ - Ad Noiseam] *Cacheflowe - /Phunkdaphonies*/ [Automate everything/ - Nobot Media] *Antipop Consortium - /Laundry*/ [/Tragic Epilogue/ - 75 Ark Records] *Amon Tobin - /Four Ton Mantis*/ [/Supermodified/ - Ninja Tune] *Dlek - /Images of .44 Casings*/ [/Negro Necro Nekros/ - Gern Blandsten] *Venetian Snares vs Bong-ra - /Felbomlasztott Mentokocsi (Bong-ra remix)*/ [/4 adaptations of rossz csillag alatt szletett/ - Planet Mu] *Squarepusher - /Iambic 9 Poetry*/ [/Ultravisitor/ - Warp Records] *Dead Hollywood Stars - /Mojo*/ [/Gone West/ - Mad Monkey Records] *cEvin Key - /cccc4*/ [/tHe gHost oF eAch rOom/ - Metropolis Records] *Kattoo - /6*/ [/Megrim/ - Hymen Records] *Part 2 - *Click here to stream or right-click to download** ("Parachutes are for pussies!" with music selection by M.) *Terretron - /Hunger/* [/Wither/ - The Pandemic] *ESA - /Satan Is Real/* [/Devotion, Denial, and Discipline/ - Hive Records] *Ybrid - /Ogdoas/* [/Khaos De Viscera/ - Ark-Ak] *Coreline - /Point Of Transience (3)/* [/Please Keep Moving Forward/ - InfeKted Sound] *Prometheus Burning - /When The Past Becomes Present/* [/Beyond Repair/ - Hive Records] *Hazing Ritual - /Evil Concentrate/* [/V/A - Materia Oscura/ - Sistinas] *Lewsor vs. Chrysalide - /Noxious Circus/* [/V/A - Noxious Art Will Never Die!!!/ - Audiotrauma] *Endif - /Antilife/* [/Meta/ - Crunch Pod] *Oil 10 - /X Fleet/* [/Beyond/ - Funk Welten] *Cheerleader69 vs. Sonic Area - /We'll Never Die/* [/V/A - Noxious Art Will Never Die!!!/ - Audiotrauma] *Postmorder[N]XS - /TelephoneMute/* [/Somnambulizing EP/ - self-released] *Bardoseneticcube & Igor V. Petrov - /Songong/* [/The Perpetuum Mobile Space Vehicle/ - Mechanoise Labs] *Listen to the Webcast* Reviews *Brian English - /Beyond Words/* In analogy to the album title, this is one of those purely enjoyable albums, though the words don't come to explain why it's so enjoyable. It is truly 'beyond words'. *Read more* *C/A/T - /ATF/* C/A/T, may set out to make "Music to Piss You Off", but with "ATF", they only succeed in making perhaps the strongest Power Noise release of the year, if not one of the strongest hard electronic releases, period. *Read more* *Coreline - /Please Keep Moving Forward/* While it may not be everyone's cup of tea, this album will surely have adepts among those that favour intense unrelenting aural pummellings on the dancefloor, who will find this release to be 'just what the doctor ordered'. *Read more* Recently added links U-Clic, electronic musicians Monochrome Vision, record label Industrialmusic.ru, Russian Industrial music portal I.M.A.N., organization and multi-media Art festival. *Latest recommended links* "How Hitler Became a Dictator" In other news, those who don't learn from History are doomed to repeat it. "No window to the world - intellectuals in Britain are cut off from global debate by the obtuse imperialism of the English language" "Debates & Controversies - the Doomsday Code", Channel 4 documentary proving once more that quite a few people are funny in the head and are in positions of power... --Boundary_(ID_bFLVQkLLkBH3XXnXU37rUQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Sep 24 23:18:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40237-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80074 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:18:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 80047 invoked from network); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:18:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: t p <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qKDMNx3a3nwGUi9ThELVtg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5QFdBKFNx6gDWqmqwrRxvNfQlc8IVNQ5K4vHXTb+dcanLbnb+xsNyWLoMWfD1ziqz8p5xnQs+vyn0ATChFPHAoxAcqyV+EJBgKY9HAF2CkcXAYp/p0YkpcQsiBiXHoIOLQz1QkQ7RCIK1AWJpmUvr1B1BqrDQ9JC9JJY71j8pI4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qKDMNx3a3nwGUi9ThELVtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Any thoughts / suggestions / reviews of the music technology program offered at McGill University in Montreal? I'm giving serious thought to attending there within the following year, and would greatly appreciate any info shared. :-) thank you kindly! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. --Boundary_(ID_qKDMNx3a3nwGUi9ThELVtg)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 23 17:32:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40236-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52949 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:32:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 52938 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:32:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GeRfZoqikKIm9/LkYO4T0w)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xhekSogZMOHyqhF0f0fD1u1xBmt4gBSQlxnJPMoikkgndJhQ1pr6kErvbCT/V/plEdn1Hu6dvK9Fd/XnCoUS8HSDJ9qc0nWZ4mnfrAiwSeHL89ziaAoaJnVExdsjDpAvpOo1gBCeOBldCock7Nem7pVtca+1WCSqK0701iSLGmY= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_GeRfZoqikKIm9/LkYO4T0w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi could you send me the xml file of your score so i can check this here? cyrill David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Also, I have PD open ready to receive OSC, and I have some triggers in the score. But the play button doesn't do anything. Is there some missing step? On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > Hi > > could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... > > c > > > David Powers wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first > questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to > getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. > ~David > > On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > > > cyrill > > > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > > ~David > > > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > Hi > > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > > It should work... > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > C > > > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > > -t > > > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > > hi; > > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > > download it from > > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello > > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > > >> > > > > >> Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > > >> > windows users. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yours, > > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > > >> > Talk is cheap. 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Check it out. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > > http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ > > > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > > > > > so hows life > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. 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Sat Sep 23 17:02:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40235-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43325 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:02:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 43315 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:02:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:02:25 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TS18InCZZ1cHLc4z4avOjNIYDTlF4BZtlKVXVtU9HVYtYtO4nwH2BFeSRrG6A3BG8VoIEJSWr7bRnRM3YAfeoDtC/gJ2eiL7qUC90MLDEBHkM6msg/2rcRspp6ZonzSRh5X3QdtZmvLrY1QL0mEqt2ncd4ZZprcJhpUP0AZwCcE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Also, I have PD open ready to receive OSC, and I have some triggers in the score. But the play button doesn't do anything. Is there some missing step? On 9/22/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > > could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... > > c > > > David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first > questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to > getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. > ~David > > On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > > > cyrill > > > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > > ~David > > > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > Hi > > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > > It should work... > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > C > > > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > > -t > > > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > > hi; > > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > > download it from > > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello > > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > > >> > > > > >> Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > > >> > windows users. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yours, > > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > > > >> > rates starting at 1/min. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------- > > > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > > http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ > > > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > > > > > so hows life > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. 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Sat Sep 23 16:55:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40234-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40602 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:55:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 40591 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:55:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:55:35 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IW8f0zkiBkKk569EXXleGFFDRQKsXAwt8XPuLjoum2+jhQ12X++Bpao71N04QOPdL2KPe9j8y1gCnc6ZklpvHKX3z5y5Hp4vTMQV+K43W5g7I8B9diJB76xsqam904qTE3VCScofeayJeF48D558f+XspV3PdqPUBMSVOOiPgpk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, I'm trying to test this right now. So far, it seems like the keyboard shortcuts don't actually do anything... I'll try with PD in a few moments. ~David On 9/22/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > > could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... > > c > > > David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first > questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to > getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. > ~David > > On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > > > cyrill > > > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > > ~David > > > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > Hi > > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > > It should work... > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > C > > > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > > -t > > > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > > hi; > > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > > download it from > > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello > > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > > >> > > > > >> Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello > > > > >> > > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > > >> > windows users. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Yours, > > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > > >> > Talk is cheap. 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Sat Sep 23 01:54:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40233-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93857 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:53:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 93825 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:53:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vOlTZY89KApVhdy+6pKh0A)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NV7KvqHCRhtIE19VFuAOm8N/80qtPrPJwZ9PGc5c71mEBee+tq/qSoxkHIKm5gfYvd1ddH0DolmSbZWV/AiXdZazd0tkRnm2MhqUhi62rWiDEWbhgLH3T0NzO0yuI3++prTJmyS7WhpiQQ3AGum9gJCa9gYHi7jhtAPu9zua3xQ= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vOlTZY89KApVhdy+6pKh0A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi could you please let me know if it works properly with the version i have just uploaded? As said previously, we don't have many windows machines, so it is not easy to check if it is compiled correctly... c David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. ~David On 9/22/06, Cyrill wrote: > Hi > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > cyrill > > David Powers wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > ~David > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > It should work... > > > > yours, > > > > C > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > -t > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > hi; > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > download it from > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > >> > > > >> Cyrill. > > > >> > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hello > > > >> > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > >> > windows users. > > > >> > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > >> > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > >> > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > >> > > > > >> > Yours, > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > > >> > rates starting at 1/min. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------- > > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > > http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ > > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > > > so hows life > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. 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Sat Sep 23 01:26:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40232-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81210 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:26:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 81200 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:26:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:26:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uOK9zRtBWrvGwCcsuih65oUh92ifLBfpXZ2sfxkXaFKYkWYdLs4JM1owoRa1Gn+YCtxE4j8lRDdlKSGrJwNbOsapB15LyQe0aVhE0RXX96pqwr9tuqGFlpRhkJCG6YhMjt82PVS1+dcGAeuf0YqloYGQx09huIoUbbXPWn4Y6Jk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thanks so much, the tutorial is great - it answered all my first questions. I did understand that it uses OSC. I look forward to getting that new winXP version and hooking it up to PD tomorrow. ~David On 9/22/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log > > the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. > > Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. > > cyrill > > David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? > ~David > > On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > > Hi > > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > > It should work... > > > > yours, > > > > C > > > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > > -t > > > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > > hi; > > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > > download it from > > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > > > j ,. > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello > > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > > >> > > > >> Cyrill. > > > >> > > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > > >> To: "microsound" > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hello > > > >> > > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > > >> > windows users. > > > >> > > > > >> > You can find it at: > > > >> > > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > >> > > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > >> > > > > >> > Yours, > > > >> > Cyrill. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > > >> > rates starting at 1/min. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------- > > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. 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Sat Sep 23 01:09:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40231-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73331 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:09:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 73320 invoked from network); Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:09:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3Hl+4Yqeu57/ME0kpj2irg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p8uO4dfd41gJdgKLPtXuMaJi5fjmoS7cqx0FdSgefGoqCvCpJuT4rIgIO0achv+ByhjfBWTxhjklUe4heE0yj/yOh8/7EHCUK/PxqJ+qSqXsBJs5wdekgkMaIxGSzYTo56XWv8GUvf9hmFOKk2enOa0Ij8NQ73Pgv3ukB0v43Tc= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_3Hl+4Yqeu57/ME0kpj2irg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there is a tutorial - well, only a draft, for the moment - here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/IanniX_tutorial.pdf?view=log the main thing to understand is that IanniX doesn't make sound by itself: it sends OSC packets which depend on your drawings. So you have to connect it with pd, Sc, Max, or Csound. any software able to receive OSC. Ah, and for the windows version: there was an important bug fixed earlier, (namely, big vs little endians) so please use the file i am going to upload tomorrow (still in beta version, sorry...) the current one will only send aberrant messages if you are on a machine with an Intel proc. cyrill David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? ~David On 9/21/06, Cyrill wrote: > Hi > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > It should work... > > yours, > > C > > Thaniel Lee wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > -t > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > hi; > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > download it from > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > j ,. > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > >> > > >> Cyrill. > > >> > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > >> To: "microsound" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello > > >> > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > >> > windows users. > > >> > > > >> > You can find it at: > > >> > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > >> > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > >> > > > >> > Yours, > > >> > Cyrill. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Fri Sep 22 01:50:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40229-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29035 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:49:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 29024 invoked from network); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:49:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ojXAE6o7STjr9Arj239Tb9Z8yQAZ1BxnPl6mlFp7U8rP+hc4PXGE0dZXZGAZQ6dLlTNmH2Mmhxx8cR22dVlucYUM0lXcxc3FsGKfhMd0hCTU/mwpXk15zi/5aZVuzSHIF7cqEzgS7ngxAG5Z/biZEYho+TXPGm6TItZuacXFyKI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It works... now could you explain just a hint on how to test out the program? ~David On 9/21/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi > i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) > but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. > It should work... > > yours, > > C > > Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it > -t > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > > hi; > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > download it from > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > j ,. > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > >> > > >> Cyrill. > > >> > > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > >> To: "microsound" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello > > >> > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > >> > windows users. > > >> > > > >> > You can find it at: > > >> > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > >> > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > >> > > > >> > Yours, > > >> > Cyrill. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > >> > rates starting at 1/min. > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------- > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. 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Fri Sep 22 00:53:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40228-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11352 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:53:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 11338 invoked from network); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:53:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rTEgGCGzz/hL7Oitw1SYZg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q3QZ3PMNOKvYDl3a81C8hBjyuEKT1KRB/PfXcqKBusv1oig5wI/6uNorujgqNeopW4UzYp4iv9efXFkxqdGmNCjWtRBY7pVkaEOgSAOatccaebv8SKPINkguOqnUUYyrvakyhYVkiV9ofzYg1iwJw+ZYhdwGV2UR5ngOr+aElMo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_rTEgGCGzz/hL7Oitw1SYZg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi i am in no way an expert in windows systems, which i find a bit difficult (i come from linux) but i think you can put it either in the directory of the executable, or in the sys32 file. It should work... yours, C Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: after i download the dll....where do i put it -t On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx wrote: > hi; > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > download it from > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > j ,. > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek wrote: > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill wrote: > >> > >> Hello > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > >> > >> Cyrill. > >> > >> discos invisibles wrote: I receive an error > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cyrill" > >> To: "microsound" > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> > >> > >> > Hello > >> > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > >> > windows users. > >> > > >> > You can find it at: > >> > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > >> > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > >> > > >> > Yours, > >> > Cyrill. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Thu Sep 21 11:24:40 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40226-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46711 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 46700 invoked from network); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:24:28 +0100 From: Eric Lyon <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: microsound Digest 16 Sep 2006 14:51:02 -0000 Issue 1680 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YUK7UiYS/ZrhrMaUFxYoqSX1bwF3ShXCL/a53H+Gqt8RapUpCIYMJ6or1+7sdcdOh9zhP5XeyCrwUjIMzZ61WM2qDIDW7vNk9+CGLogu9zZ8v6cDYUq8uKGkuu0GcozxDQJRosBP54WAGXpa2Q7HWdF36lSTKXMEH3LLJ1VrAP8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Arielle, Perhaps the Sonic Arts Research Centre in Belfast may be of interest. http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/ I could answer any further questions about the program offline. Best, Eric > > There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced degrees > in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of > ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are particularly > strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music theorist, > but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, and am > doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to > mention a few of these programs in my research. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 20 22:04:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40225-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69153 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:04:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 69143 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:04:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:03:58 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qe1kT6c8dw1qMHFdZcPBfxLprYdBdifILt37K/Jab5fC9lJ4nqAlTBkIhkYe8x3XhAD5XOlnCEQv0cmgrszSeIZWKtaBKBjFON1CQOgBr85JZUUndBR1surQo/J/cut29th/MwBbb8WouroTx13dpZDzaHKZtPWxhowtSBB27oE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xx-xxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi, it should work if you have the DLL in the same directory as the IanniX app. Worked for me anyway. Btw, are there any instructions or tutorials for the application? Can someone give a basic set of instructions for getting started? I managed to get some kind of curve drawn in the program. I couldn't exactly figure out how to select and move the curve to a different position with the mouse. Once I figure that out, I'd like to make a very simple PD patch to see exactly what kinds of OSC messages this program sends. Thanks, David On 9/20/06, Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > after i download the dll....where do i put it > -t > > On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > hi; > > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > > download it from > > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > > > j ,. > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello > > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > > >> > > >> Cyrill. > > >> > > >> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Cyrill" > > >> To: "microsound" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello > > >> > > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > >> > windows users. > > >> > > > >> > You can find it at: > > >> > > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > >> > > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > > >> > > > >> > Yours, > > >> > Cyrill. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > >> > rates starting at 1/min. > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------- > > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ > http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire > > so hows life > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 20 21:53:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40224-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64368 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:52:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 64357 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:52:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:52:47 -0400 From: Thaniel Lee <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xx-xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HZRDS+UXxkQH9awgD4RrSduwBndrUc8vwQ+R3vVnuz8sw+1yA7dYrQlrB2JoEX1TXJad4aB4M/KP+5Q0w98loz5ElgiM3RWWvnv+fd+hsLHINR0GBAWFdkdDRu8shdvJ8GnttKY8FUZlCINfAV/PEPVgtg3mb8ZBHzWA4RdsdC8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xx-xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx after i download the dll....where do i put it -t On 9/20/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > hi; > just copy the dll in the app-directory; > download it from > http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log > > j ,. > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> > >> Hello > >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > >> pcs and i cannot really test it... > >> > >> Cyrill. > >> > >> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' > >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cyrill" > >> To: "microsound" > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > >> > >> > >> > Hello > >> > > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > >> > windows users. > >> > > >> > You can find it at: > >> > > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > >> > > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... > >> > > >> > Yours, > >> > Cyrill. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > >> > rates starting at 1/min. > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > >> > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx http://thanielarts.blogspot.com/ http://blog.myspace.com/bridlewire so hows life --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 20 11:04:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40223-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90327 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:04:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 90315 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:04:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:03:32 +0200 From: xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xx-xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xx login:71925b1d09fec6f868aea9cb75dd0fbe X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Opera M2/8.53 (Win32, build 7722) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi; just copy the dll in the app-directory; download it from http://filezilla.cvs.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla3/data/mingwm10.dll?view=log j ,. On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200, Sune Smek <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. > > On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Hello >> this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows >> pcs and i cannot really test it... >> >> Cyrill. >> >> discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error >> message while installing 'unable to locate component' >> (mingwm10.dll was not found) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cyrill" >> To: "microsound" >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM >> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released >> >> >> > Hello >> > >> > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the >> > windows users. >> > >> > You can find it at: >> > >> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 >> > >> > Please report us any bug you may find... >> > >> > Yours, >> > Cyrill. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Wed Sep 20 09:12:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40222-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55533 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:12:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 55521 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:12:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:12:48 +0200 From: Sune Smek <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0sPET3X2+X5Y1YsavQQuNA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sTsfuVr/tn/SyNMfXWfzckwABoZAolZ7DhcIW1JNYUAon9ArHWgOOkyT268I8wWXz7oI/4b7ckJYQiwgU7n5CCaXsRRjjyFljTIxjSUP30g8rivUOoU9fpMRHj8u0D7fGp/v6LJmps3uAd5f1oKUu27+rHyzMhoOyaa/fH5FYiE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_0sPET3X2+X5Y1YsavQQuNA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just downloaded it and I receive the same error. On 9/20/06, Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Hello > this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows > pcs and i cannot really test it... > > Cyrill. > > discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error > message while installing 'unable to locate component' > (mingwm10.dll was not found) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrill" > To: "microsound" > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > > > > Hello > > > > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > > windows users. > > > > You can find it at: > > > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > > > Please report us any bug you may find... > > > > Yours, > > Cyrill. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Wed Sep 20 08:22:25 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40221-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38410 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:22:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 38386 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:22:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5VLUz3VIgtzSifUWp4mm+g)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ikh0EQEbjbsMmXnuKYCh+B+P8J6d3xDnOmTs2JJk52ReYxpVttSC254kkueWUMVtDkPdMTwuXNIwWCmer17fCgBHMolppRbZcR+goCvCX0zjgI+mx7qSqqDSNUE8emvygb+1JMHsuLdlkGQItsSxkNAKAFe28Y/I6AIAoRNhxME= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_5VLUz3VIgtzSifUWp4mm+g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello this bug should now be fixed. Let me know, as we don't have many windows pcs and i cannot really test it... Cyrill. discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error message while installing 'unable to locate component' (mingwm10.dll was not found) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrill" To: "microsound" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Hello > > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > windows users. > > You can find it at: > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > Please report us any bug you may find... > > Yours, > Cyrill. > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Wed Sep 20 04:35:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40220-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65593 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:34:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 65581 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:34:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released In-reply-to: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mA6iStNS/GreBTuXuyvwkA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XB2TLeQ9dp7uo3TzaIZTjqbFKPM9BFBGonCU+ztE/lNLrGFVk85hXIxkdcxLk4RoCPnTPIoPf35tRAzW09EgeWOJCQ9wRPI3KfcZVLruZn7dcBpgnjEIVg/8Gwu00fNCXLc8co6q9OsLD4g9IbrUC8uQon1nvJJVBdW4aCvK2U8= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mA6iStNS/GreBTuXuyvwkA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK, thanks for the bug report. I'll try to fix it asap. Meanwhile I think it should work if you install mingw, available from sourceforge at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mingw/MinGW-5.0.3.exe?download Cyrill discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: I receive an error message while installing 'unable to locate component' (mingwm10.dll was not found) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrill" To: "microsound" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Hello > > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > windows users. > > You can find it at: > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > Please report us any bug you may find... > > Yours, > Cyrill. > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Wed Sep 20 04:26:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40219-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62047 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:26:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 62035 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:26:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:26:21 -0700 From: discos invisibles <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000a01c6dc6c$efd39f40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - serve.wwwroot6.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - discosinvisibles.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I receive an error message while installing 'unable to locate component' (mingwm10.dll was not found) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrill" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released > Hello > > This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the > windows users. > > You can find it at: > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 > > Please report us any bug you may find... > > Yours, > Cyrill. > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1/min. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 20 02:49:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40218-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27170 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:49:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 27159 invoked from network); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:49:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Windows version of IanniX released To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dIkJRLDJTrQYbxk+Z4E6HQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OOiF6RipRGKwKoWnc7lOC+rwldQYiJ+StvIMORs8Gma2hH4ZLp16KJnfYirIRTR2LbZ5fbraxfW8cCLkuftcj76bEeKtDn1NsvDR45qX+2ByMk/MzTA5sV26GXKZc3C7AYARqHyb7GZyz/KAqvgUeZq3RgYcKzJpDVdGE7N0/tU= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_dIkJRLDJTrQYbxk+Z4E6HQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello This, to let you know that at last there is an .exe of IanniX for the windows users. You can find it at: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402&package_id=204701&release_id=448751 Please report us any bug you may find... Yours, Cyrill. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. --Boundary_(ID_dIkJRLDJTrQYbxk+Z4E6HQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 19 00:31:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40217-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16103 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:30:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 16043 invoked from network); Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:30:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:30:44 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] reminder To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx folks, a reminder: there is no cross-posting or announcements allowed on this main list...if you have something you want to promote please post it to the announcements list...see the microsound website for info on how to sub... thanks KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 18 18:32:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40216-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23000 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:32:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 22986 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:32:12 +0000 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:25:40 -0400 From: "xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? X-Originating-IP: 141.211.155.249 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The University of Michigan has a "Performing Arts and Technology" degree that is under the umbrella of the School of Music here. Students also take courses in Screen Arts and Cultures - in particular Digital Media courses. There are a number of students who are working in Electronic Music and Electro-acoustic. cheers Chris Original Message: ----------------- From: Graham Miller xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:21 -0400 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? not to be confused with york university in toronto which is still not aware that technology and music have anything to do with each other:) g. On 17-Sep-06, at 5:05 AM, Peter Worth wrote: > i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York > (UK). The music research centre there is excellent: > http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/ > > On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced >> degrees >> in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of >> ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are >> particularly >> strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music >> theorist, >> but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, >> and am >> doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to >> mention a few of these programs in my research. >> >> Thanks so much, >> Arielle Saiber >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 18 17:49:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40215-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94132 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:49:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 94112 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:49:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:21 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx not to be confused with york university in toronto which is still not aware that technology and music have anything to do with each other:) g. On 17-Sep-06, at 5:05 AM, Peter Worth wrote: > i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York > (UK). The music research centre there is excellent: > http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/ > > On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced >> degrees >> in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of >> ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are >> particularly >> strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music >> theorist, >> but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, >> and am >> doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to >> mention a few of these programs in my research. >> >> Thanks so much, >> Arielle Saiber >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 18 13:42:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40214-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79148 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:42:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 79137 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:42:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:42:11 +0100 From: Eric Lyon <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Sonorities 2007 - Call for Works To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GPXeSEkVONAPBkEDX4ujLahE87XXxBTmWReC44sdmNkhus7XAZGb2vP1J+UnthTsxZyHzmVZs311vwoPtgsjB0+q6fCGiPbmB7Xn8+Cimr3S7bl+64HgtEmPcfV26IhjmHe7fViVdwv724n3dx5WBTLFeReN18ApeG2a1t4VK7c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx apologies for any cross-postings OPEN FADER @ Sonorities 2007 Call for Works The Sonorities Festival in Belfast invites composers and artists working with sound to submit works to be presented during Sonorities 2007. We are especially interested in works that challenge or expand the current vocabulary and practice of digital audio performance and composition. We encourage two types of submission (maximum of 1 work per category): 1. Live Performances This includes laptop improv, VJ, audio-visual, live-electronics, sound poetry, circuit-bending, hacktivism. Please submit the work in a documentary format that reflects the nature of the performance (e.g. video on DVD, audio on CD, software for Mac/PC, photographs). 2. Fixed Media Works (from mono to a maximum of 24 channels) This includes works for live diffusion, multi-channel works with predetermined spatial placement, and works with video. All submissions must be on DAT, audio CD, data CD-R or DA88. Submissions of multi-channel works on data CD-R must be accompanied by an audio CD containing a stereo reduction, along with diagrammatic instructions for mapping of mono audio sources to destination speakers, along with a ProTools session, MaxMSP or Pd patch to accomplish the mapping. Works with video must be on DVD. Selected works will be featured in four special concerts during the festival. These events will take place in the Sonic Arts Research Centre Sonic Lab performance space. This unique environment for the performance of electroacoustic music includes facilities for sound projection in a full 3D environment through loudspeakers located above and below the audience area. The special nature of the space makes it essential that selected artists attend the Festival to perform their pieces. The Sonic Lab allows diffusion to a maximum of 48 speakers. (Please see http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/pages/soniclab.htm for more information.) Please include a title and program notes as well as a short biography with the submission. Contact information should include a phone number, address, and an email address. A stamped, self-addressed envelope is required for the return of your materials. Materials that are not required to be returned will become part of SARC's media library and may be considered for future events. Artists are expected to finance their participation. Sonorities will be able to provide letters of support, which can aid in seeking funding. Please include a title, program notes as well as a short biography with the submission. Contact information should include a phone number, address, and an email address. Post works to OPEN FADER Sonorities 2007 Sonic Arts Research Centre Queen's University Belfast Belfast BT7 1NN Northern Ireland Contact Eric Lyon (Artistic Director) x.xxxx@xxx.xx.xx Important Dates Deadline for Submissions: 17th December 2006 Festival Dates: 21 April - 25 April 2007 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 18 02:19:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40213-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39683 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:19:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 39665 invoked from network); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:19:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:15:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Connexion Bizarre Newsletter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Connexion Bizarre Newsletter 2006-09-18 To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Connexion Bizarre Newsletter <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <20060918041316.78321531.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Dada Mail 2.9.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CIIj0FtKWhXZzXVQlZ4mhg)"; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx List: connexion List-URL: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/connexion/> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at netside.nl X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Owner: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/s/connexion/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Archive: <http://www.connexionbizarre.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/connexion/> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Id: <connexion.masteen.netside.nl> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_CIIj0FtKWhXZzXVQlZ4mhg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Connexion Bizarre Greetings, The *Connexion Bizarre (dot) net* website was updated on 2006-09-18 with a new webcast, new reviews, and a few recommended links. Reviewed this week were "Noxious Arts Will Never Die!!!" compilation, Eight To Infinity "Aether", Bardoseneticcube & Igor V. Petrov "The Perpetuum Mobile Space Vehicle", Neurobash "Soundtrack: Ladonian Incidents". This week's webcast, features "If I was a Goth club DJ, err... wait..." with music selection by DJ B urn and "No Hardcore for you this week." with music selection by M.. Also this week, we continue the CD give-away competition with copies of the "Materia Oscura" compilation as prizes (see below for details). Don't hesitate to contact us with questions, constructive comments, suggestions and even potential requests for the online radio, etc. Best regards, the Connexion Bizarre crew (*www.connexionbizarre.net*) We have four copies of the compilation "Materia Oscura" to give away, courtesy of the Sistinas record label. This label sampler compilation contains tracks by Vuxnut, Broken Fabiola, The Operative, Hazing Ritual and others. To be eligible to win one of the CD in question, mail us at info[at]connexionbizarre[dot]net with your full name and street address. The winners will be selected randomly. Deadline for this giveaway is 2006-09-24. /Not valid for current Connexion Bizarre staff members./ *Connexion Bizarre events status:* *"Bodypop"* @ "Era Uma Vez No Porto" bar /14/10, saturday, 10.30pm-3.00am; Rua do Passeio Alegre, 550, Porto./ Menu: synthpop, electropop, idm-pop, porn-pop, bodypop! *Connexion Bizarre radio show @ Radio Zero* The Connexion Bizarre radio show can be streamed every Friday at 23:00 GMT and Saturday at 19:00 GMT from Radio Zero. Music selection follows each week's second part of our webcast. Webcast *Part 1 - *Click here to stream or right-click to download** ("If I was a goth club DJ, err... wait..." with music selection by DJ Burn) *Ministry - /The Fall/* [/Filthypig/ - American ] *Biopsy - /Indifference/* [/Cervix State Sequences/ - DSBP ] *Rx /Idle Contact/* [/Bedside Toxicology/ - Out of Line ] *Infact- /Control Your Mind/* [/GO AWAY/ - Mental Ulcer Forges ] *F/A/V - /Unter Sich Bleiben/* [/Feinde Auf Valuim/ - Mental Ulcer Forges ] *Aghast View - /Vaporize (:wumpscut: Remix)/* [/:wumpscut: - Born Again/ - Metropolis ] *Velvet Acid Christ - /Exquisite Stench/* [/Calling ov the Dead/ - Label ] *Mauri - /I Wanna Die/* [/Breathless/ - Kubernoise ] *Monolith - /Pulse/* [/Tribal Globe/ - Daft Records ] *Converter - /Domination/* [/V.A - Industrial Frequencies Vol. 2/ - Zoomshot Media ] *Part 2 - *Click here to stream or right-click to download** ("No Hardcore for you this week!" with music selection by M.) *Celine - /In The Sun/* [/Elapsed Time/ - M-tronic] *Nerve Filter - /Beneath A Bed Of Wet Leaves/* [/Linear/ - Accession] *Displacer - /Natural Selection/* [/Cagefighter's Lullaby/ - M-tronic] *Larvae - /Raindelay/* [/Dead Weight/ - Ad Noiseam] *Sanction IV - /Spectravessel/* [unreleased] *Stendeck - /monsters are getting closer - black shadows swallow dreams/* [/Can You Hear Me Call?/ - Geska Records] *Iqtu - /Ponderosa/* [/Let It All Flowers/ - Inpuj Sound Research] *Triatoma (a.k.a. Sulphuric Saliva) - /Species Encounter 2/* [/No Oportunity In Standard Experiences/ - Discordian Records] *Kilowatts - /Glob Story/* [/Routes/ - Artificial Music Machine] *Keef Baker - /Straw Overcoat/* [/Pure Language/ - Ad Noiseam] *Cagey House - /Elephant Orange/* [www.cageyhouse.com] *Laharis - /Fleg Mit Uns/* [/V/A - Steinklang Industries II (2005-2006)/ - Steinklang Industries] *Listen to the Webcast* Reviews *V/A - /Noxious Art Will Never Die!!!/* From time to time, a music compilation will pop up with contents that will blow you away in what is the musical equivalent of an epiphany. "Noxious Arts Will Never Die!!!", released by the French underground electronic music label/collective Audiotrauma, is one of those rare compilations. *Read more* *Eight To Infinity - /Aether/* The only real flaw of this album is the length. Totalling in at roughly 43 minutes, it can be frustrating as (and you can take my word for it) you /will/ want to hear more. A simply incredible debut that is a must have for any Synthpop fan. *Read more* *Bardoseneticcube & Igor V. Petrov - /The Perpetuum Mobile Space Vehicle/* This album has a relatively short duration, nevertheless it effectively creates a dark, intangible film noir atmosphere, while the experimental jazz undercurrent of Petrov's spectral saxophone certainly develops a significant portion of this classic, claustrophobic genre essence. *Read more* *Neurobash - /Soundtrack: Ladonian Incidents/* Containing almost half of the material written specifically for Neurobash's role in celebrating the tenth anniversary of the micronation Ladonia, it is meticulous in production and fluid in presentation, yet typical to a fault. *Read more* Recently added links Optimum Wound Media, webcomics *Latest recommended links* "Technoman", cover of the 'classic' And One hit by Portuguese duo Control Alt Deus. Video at YouTube. "Fantasy Island", "inside Japan's surreal fetish clubs, perversions of every persuasion are indulged for the right price." Brilliance. "The Elevator Conversation" "Lessons in how to lie about Iraq" "Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve" --Boundary_(ID_CIIj0FtKWhXZzXVQlZ4mhg)-- From ???@??? Sun Sep 17 14:39:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40212-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10430 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:39:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 10420 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:39:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Failed Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002d01c6d91b$22ab16a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Milan Davidovic wrote: > On 9/16/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > a better question > > Possibly; how? .... in that it can expose and repudiate the mechanism for contemporary validation FORBID THE FORBIDDEN BELOW THE BOULEVARD, THE BEACH artwork as embodied meaning depends on a network of art administrators and critics to disseminate meaning. It's a rigid system that positions art as philosophical game, leaving the critic-philosopher in the central role brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Sep 17 14:04:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40211-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98771 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:04:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 98760 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:04:06 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] context In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OCjsfk6JUMSbQc+Dnu6UHTw+sLqML+jUMqBznXUIfE2zxtuyumgTU/AjVlDQl+6MPQ50vKyrrdyjNljnPjGtzrvzJiXgN71gUpMbeBnaMScormO0/9UU7AxGhwqrDSeIIUvZxZPn7CIHEu4BCplRfyTFG8x6GPGx/gEJvqp8pc0= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i just finished a composition course and conversations with lachenmann and when i showed him my music set up he said "if you invent your own system then you cant make any mistakes". but it is a tricky thing. partch took it to making his own orchestras. but we inherit tools and materials that are preconditioned by history. so innovation for innovation's sake is like art for art's sake. what is neccessary then is an acid against the concept of art itself. and to clear a space in which it can be comprehended. it takes a life-time... --- Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I guess the phrase "premiered under MTT directing" > was the source of > confusion. MTT invited Reich to perform that work > with himself and > members of the BSO in Boston, in 1971. > > On the topic of innovation, I would add to > paraphrases from Varese, > given he was already mentioned in this thread: > "Modern composers are > not ahead of their time; it is the audience that is > behind" and "the > true artist creates the rules by which he creates > his work." However > arrogant these might seem at first glance, it should > be noted that > Varese expressed these thoughts in full awareness of > tradition and > definitely not (as it was in e.g. Ligeti's case) > innovation for > innovation's sake ("one must always strive for the > new, at all > costs"). Somehow Varese's stance seems much more > legitimate than > Ligeti's. > > //p > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ > > On 9/16/06, Randal Davis > <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > You are, I am afraid, incorrect, Paulo. The > reference was, and is, to Four > > Organs (1970). Come Out and It's Gonna Rain, the > two principal surviving > > early tape works are dated 1966 and 1965, > respectively. > > > > Four Sections (1987) was indeed recorded by the > LSO, MTT conducting, but the > > performance of Four Organs to which I refer > occured, under MTT's direction, > > while he was MD of the BSO, in October, 1971. > > > > So that we do not belabor the discussion with any > further performance and > > discographical histories, Four Organs was first > performed at the Guggenheim > > Museum (NYC) in May, 1970, and several times > thereafter in gallery/museum > > settings. The performance I refer to did, > however, mark the first major > > appearance of his work outside of conspicuously > avant-garde venues. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paulo Mouat" <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] context > > > > > > > You probably mean Four Sections and not Four > Organs. And it is 1987, > > > some 20 years after his early tape works. > > > > > > //p > > > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ > > > > > > On 9/16/06, Randal Davis > <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental > point, which is why, in my > > > > original post, the word "accident" was > bracketed. I do deny the > > mechanisms > > > > of Reich's historical embedding in the least. > I sought only to sketch a > > few > > > > possible modalities of what "historical > engagement" has meant. > > > > > > > > At the same time, I am less sanguine about > your conclusion, that > > "therefore > > > > a historical framework that legitimized his > discovery as one of artistic > > > > merit had been established." > > > > > > > > Not so many years after his initial tape > works, Reich premiered Four > > Organs, > > > > under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas, > in the context of a > > decidedly > > > > non-avant-garde milieu, with results that > nearly provoked a riot - see > > his > > > > own, and MTT's accounts of this. > > > > > > > > Again, I think, we see different modes of > historical legitimation in > > > > operation. 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Sun Sep 17 13:42:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40210-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90398 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:42:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 90385 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:42:08 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:42:07 -0300 From: Igor Medeiros <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_XROGBBasMtkxulW8gCGAOQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hQZlSngPui6fRWcsh+JsBZSnpNommq6HPBwWQF1PU9C+nLd30/W0FDhJaL2Y/WugjLGVR0wZGsYXrJiqslpHVY9X1PtLcwxCBpVsXcFYdhJ3OKCa5BaM/uPVL5VX8zAI0piSBa23Wdp9vL/E05DRgBWjY8cRBv8/0JLMLajn2w8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_XROGBBasMtkxulW8gCGAOQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you need a vst host that sends master tempo to livecut. or it will not work. igor On 9/13/06, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > On 2006 Sep 13, at 8:49 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: > > > > > On 2006 Sep 13, at 8:33 PM, Clark|KENT wrote: > > > >> It works fine when i use it with Ableton Live. That is the > >> experience i have with it. > > > > OK, thanks, I'll try it with that. > > Just thought that it should be a bit more well-rounded. > > > Actually, that last line didn't come out right. > Anyway, it works fine in Live (and I've got a nice intro to Live as > well) > > Thanks again! > > Rod > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- _________________ www.mediasana.org --Boundary_(ID_XROGBBasMtkxulW8gCGAOQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Sep 17 09:05:26 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40209-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8430 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:05:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 8417 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:05:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:05:14 +0100 From: Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bB0xl6s9kjCdfHQOtQu9MycFCmkSi5hf+4ZPqBX6ONhrpJF7XRvKXzUoGT6xLf+1SMMhsg8vr4kiGiSuPiH+wvzzTS29pGWrgJIwp3hS6JwnNojgHTc0+CCBU4TFXKym3inbI8gV7+zFBzTCCnvQyj3TNeAHZc22OB7ffjSziAU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i just finished an MA in music technology at the University of York (UK). The music research centre there is excellent: http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/ On 16/09/06, Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Hello all, > > There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced degrees > in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of > ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are particularly > strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music theorist, > but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, and am > doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to > mention a few of these programs in my research. > > Thanks so much, > Arielle Saiber > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Sep 17 04:21:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40208-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61792 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:21:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 61782 invoked from network); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:21:07 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:21:05 -0400 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] context In-reply-to: <006e01c6d9da$51741da0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PVBU/lL5h4b7PxblY/0cXhlAda1V6gt4uhGj6Nd34dRTV4PPJfZNpSVsknh6agLooGvTzzQrFtt7YB8nKkAGtkhJr6EfvrsdfW/IALZI2hw+f7wJMWsitCYmnsCgaB6sfOA4a3ZBCZYbVtlPqJMB3kEBGx83Ow2fotdg57nRkZs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <006001c6d9d2$0135cb20$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <006e01c6d9da$51741da0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I guess the phrase "premiered under MTT directing" was the source of confusion. MTT invited Reich to perform that work with himself and members of the BSO in Boston, in 1971. On the topic of innovation, I would add to paraphrases from Varese, given he was already mentioned in this thread: "Modern composers are not ahead of their time; it is the audience that is behind" and "the true artist creates the rules by which he creates his work." However arrogant these might seem at first glance, it should be noted that Varese expressed these thoughts in full awareness of tradition and definitely not (as it was in e.g. Ligeti's case) innovation for innovation's sake ("one must always strive for the new, at all costs"). Somehow Varese's stance seems much more legitimate than Ligeti's. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ On 9/16/06, Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > You are, I am afraid, incorrect, Paulo. The reference was, and is, to Four > Organs (1970). Come Out and It's Gonna Rain, the two principal surviving > early tape works are dated 1966 and 1965, respectively. > > Four Sections (1987) was indeed recorded by the LSO, MTT conducting, but the > performance of Four Organs to which I refer occured, under MTT's direction, > while he was MD of the BSO, in October, 1971. > > So that we do not belabor the discussion with any further performance and > discographical histories, Four Organs was first performed at the Guggenheim > Museum (NYC) in May, 1970, and several times thereafter in gallery/museum > settings. The performance I refer to did, however, mark the first major > appearance of his work outside of conspicuously avant-garde venues. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paulo Mouat" <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] context > > > > You probably mean Four Sections and not Four Organs. And it is 1987, > > some 20 years after his early tape works. > > > > //p > > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ > > > > On 9/16/06, Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental point, which is why, in my > > > original post, the word "accident" was bracketed. I do deny the > mechanisms > > > of Reich's historical embedding in the least. I sought only to sketch a > few > > > possible modalities of what "historical engagement" has meant. > > > > > > At the same time, I am less sanguine about your conclusion, that > "therefore > > > a historical framework that legitimized his discovery as one of artistic > > > merit had been established." > > > > > > Not so many years after his initial tape works, Reich premiered Four > Organs, > > > under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas, in the context of a > decidedly > > > non-avant-garde milieu, with results that nearly provoked a riot - see > his > > > own, and MTT's accounts of this. > > > > > > Again, I think, we see different modes of historical legitimation in > > > operation. Yes? > > > > > > Thanks for your articulate response - I hope the list continues the > > > discussion in this manner. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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The reference was, and is, to Four Organs (1970). Come Out and It's Gonna Rain, the two principal surviving early tape works are dated 1966 and 1965, respectively. Four Sections (1987) was indeed recorded by the LSO, MTT conducting, but the performance of Four Organs to which I refer occured, under MTT's direction, while he was MD of the BSO, in October, 1971. So that we do not belabor the discussion with any further performance and discographical histories, Four Organs was first performed at the Guggenheim Museum (NYC) in May, 1970, and several times thereafter in gallery/museum settings. The performance I refer to did, however, mark the first major appearance of his work outside of conspicuously avant-garde venues. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paulo Mouat" <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] context > You probably mean Four Sections and not Four Organs. And it is 1987, > some 20 years after his early tape works. > > //p > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ > > On 9/16/06, Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental point, which is why, in my > > original post, the word "accident" was bracketed. I do deny the mechanisms > > of Reich's historical embedding in the least. I sought only to sketch a few > > possible modalities of what "historical engagement" has meant. > > > > At the same time, I am less sanguine about your conclusion, that "therefore > > a historical framework that legitimized his discovery as one of artistic > > merit had been established." > > > > Not so many years after his initial tape works, Reich premiered Four Organs, > > under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas, in the context of a decidedly > > non-avant-garde milieu, with results that nearly provoked a riot - see his > > own, and MTT's accounts of this. > > > > Again, I think, we see different modes of historical legitimation in > > operation. Yes? > > > > Thanks for your articulate response - I hope the list continues the > > discussion in this manner. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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And it is 1987, some 20 years after his early tape works. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ On 9/16/06, Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental point, which is why, in my > original post, the word "accident" was bracketed. I do deny the mechanisms > of Reich's historical embedding in the least. I sought only to sketch a few > possible modalities of what "historical engagement" has meant. > > At the same time, I am less sanguine about your conclusion, that "therefore > a historical framework that legitimized his discovery as one of artistic > merit had been established." > > Not so many years after his initial tape works, Reich premiered Four Organs, > under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas, in the context of a decidedly > non-avant-garde milieu, with results that nearly provoked a riot - see his > own, and MTT's accounts of this. > > Again, I think, we see different modes of historical legitimation in > operation. Yes? > > Thanks for your articulate response - I hope the list continues the > discussion in this manner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 21:01:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40205-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30288 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:01:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 30276 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:01:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:00:17 -0400 From: Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] context X-Originating-IP: 4.231.244.7 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006601c6d9d3$215e68c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OzGYWFusqDMIcovulUdJTNntdyTGLnOM1iiGmHfV0MvZo91QNk6+FKklLeycAqvz; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: 3915247040b89f9489a8960d193327004d2b10475b571120391ee610c8ca66f44311cea40bb9d0453553614b9f64653b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <006001c6d9d2$0135cb20$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sorry, Ian, and list. Horrible typo. Sentence should read, as you would probably guess, "I do not deny..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Davis" <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] context > Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental point, which is why, in my > original post, the word "accident" was bracketed. I do deny the mechanisms > of Reich's historical embedding in the least. I sought only to sketch a few > possible modalities of what "historical engagement" has meant. > > At the same time, I am less sanguine about your conclusion, that "therefore > a historical framework that legitimized his discovery as one of artistic > merit had been established." > > Not so many years after his initial tape works, Reich premiered Four Organs, > under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas, in the context of a decidedly > non-avant-garde milieu, with results that nearly provoked a riot - see his > own, and MTT's accounts of this. > > Again, I think, we see different modes of historical legitimation in > operation. Yes? > > Thanks for your articulate response - I hope the list continues the > discussion in this manner. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Reddy" <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] context > > > > >Then, too, there are the "accidents," e.g., Reich's discovery of phasing > in > > >tape loops. > > > > To characterize the discovery of tape phasing as 'accidental' does not > > deny Reich's situation within a certain historical 'context'. In a > > different milieu Reich could have discarded such an accident as something > > that sounded horrible and worthless. His discovery occured in an already > > lengthy and deep tradition of avant-garde exploration amongst artists and > > hence he was able to identify the results of such an 'accident' as being > > potentially relevant to human culture, regardless of whether or not tape > > phasing had any immediate successors or was discovered with any explicit > > intent. Perhaps a knowledge of history was not necessary to discover tape > > phasing, but the discovery occured at a time when artists were searching > > for such ideas and therefore a historical framework that legitimized his > > discovery as one of artistic merit had been established. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 20:53:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40204-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26682 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:53:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 26671 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:53:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:52:19 -0400 From: Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] context X-Originating-IP: 4.231.244.7 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006001c6d9d2$0135cb20$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=asXm/DSQjk5I758bzYbmH2OUV6+hF7PlkgXL4lGEwlgBXcL3YG3geX6oObsIXpfu; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: 3915247040b89f9489a8960d193327004d2b10475b571120391ee610c8ca66f48b7f66d763399d6fff2daebd4a7153ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental point, which is why, in my original post, the word "accident" was bracketed. I do deny the mechanisms of Reich's historical embedding in the least. I sought only to sketch a few possible modalities of what "historical engagement" has meant. At the same time, I am less sanguine about your conclusion, that "therefore a historical framework that legitimized his discovery as one of artistic merit had been established." Not so many years after his initial tape works, Reich premiered Four Organs, under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas, in the context of a decidedly non-avant-garde milieu, with results that nearly provoked a riot - see his own, and MTT's accounts of this. Again, I think, we see different modes of historical legitimation in operation. Yes? Thanks for your articulate response - I hope the list continues the discussion in this manner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Reddy" <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] context > >Then, too, there are the "accidents," e.g., Reich's discovery of phasing in > >tape loops. > > To characterize the discovery of tape phasing as 'accidental' does not > deny Reich's situation within a certain historical 'context'. In a > different milieu Reich could have discarded such an accident as something > that sounded horrible and worthless. His discovery occured in an already > lengthy and deep tradition of avant-garde exploration amongst artists and > hence he was able to identify the results of such an 'accident' as being > potentially relevant to human culture, regardless of whether or not tape > phasing had any immediate successors or was discovered with any explicit > intent. Perhaps a knowledge of history was not necessary to discover tape > phasing, but the discovery occured at a time when artists were searching > for such ideas and therefore a historical framework that legitimized his > discovery as one of artistic merit had been established. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 20:32:03 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40203-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18681 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:31:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 18671 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:31:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] context To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Then, too, there are the "accidents," e.g., Reich's discovery of phasing in >tape loops. To characterize the discovery of tape phasing as 'accidental' does not deny Reich's situation within a certain historical 'context'. In a different milieu Reich could have discarded such an accident as something that sounded horrible and worthless. His discovery occured in an already lengthy and deep tradition of avant-garde exploration amongst artists and hence he was able to identify the results of such an 'accident' as being potentially relevant to human culture, regardless of whether or not tape phasing had any immediate successors or was discovered with any explicit intent. Perhaps a knowledge of history was not necessary to discover tape phasing, but the discovery occured at a time when artists were searching for such ideas and therefore a historical framework that legitimized his discovery as one of artistic merit had been established. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 19:07:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40202-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86365 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:07:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 86351 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:07:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5lDehOfkyIigrVPPQvU+bFp2bH1e2ePCXK/QnHe7R2QBHo/NK3z9qs9wwDP4+1lccplABDhJQ5EYjpiPlrdoNTKPhDSlR2Lz4fCoeawjpymb7hP+hwoJ0fDQkd0HwhVbPzxm/TTIv3DysyOEZXT648PVnGY+yTDx/Y/TcTSCBg8= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this idea of energic flux is what is missing the thread on innovation vs tradition. many of us are very self-conscious as artists. but all people are influenced by the pulsation of history. for my part, the materials i work with have a self-renewing aspect. it is actually to become more open to what is changing that is important. i think innovation is an academic's game (based in falsifying the facts of history by attributions of originality)and i prefer to say we attain a new awareness of the richness of materials we experience. they are inexhaustible. with rspect to kim`s requote of himself 'the tool is the message' it think this is a step backward into theses implicit in macluhan anyway. the theory of extension is on the primordial level based on the functionality of more primitive tools. a bowl is two hands cupped together, for example. --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > "Result", in terms of the aesthetic product, is an > illusion - it is a > snapshot of a process, frozen or crystallized at a > given moment in > time. Really, there are only processes, flows, > fluxes. > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 17:49:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40201-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53723 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:49:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 53713 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:49:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:49:05 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Failed Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ApN0ghiRdpWYRGlYtArS449oAVA+UxwZ1T1AXarYMRFxPMnasAgB/LtW8VDRRgv81t8YYDRL+8GLELxISazbm5Skt3r4m3sV3gDWoHttWiJS+8jud4Jnr8bF4SrFvdmzJ9MwL8Hic52tt0KQUda26R68o5r9lXIgZm3Z/be768Q= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002d01c6d91b$22ab16a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/16/06, rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > failed appointment? Is failure an option? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 17:26:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40200-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44546 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:26:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 44523 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:26:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:25:17 -0400 From: Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] context X-Originating-IP: 4.231.244.7 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003101c6d9b5$1558ffe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Sbl6jLJIEwHmJoSETRTGAULyUEfbv2nDiQIiISwVE0cPcM0BOdPPKWeLaK+Aln0p; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: 3915247040b89f9489a8960d193327004d2b10475b571120391ee610c8ca66f4497fd845623af8f859526cf54eedbe9b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A deep question, this. Yes, context is, inescapably, what we bring to any experience, it is why we were where we were which is, to a greater or lesser extent, why we are here. That said, there is no single history, nor is there a singular mode of historical understanding. Was Varese "aware" of musical history? Of course. His "silence" was simply the result of an inability to actualize, technologically, the means to a vision of what music could be. Was Cage "aware" of musical history? Of course. Witness the familiar anecdote about his studies with Schoenberg, and his inability to understand harmony. Then, too, there are the "accidents," e.g., Reich's discovery of phasing in tape loops. And, then, too, there are the unexpected influences. Consider Riley's early tape works, and then the continuing redefinition of his conceptions as shaped by his exposure to Indian classical music. And, perhaps even moreso, by his collaboration with Kronos, to write in the idiom of the string quartet. Consider Subotnick, who invented a music built around an instrument of which he was one of the inventors (with Don Buchla & Ramon Sender). Before this becomes a string of posts about whether or not "knowledge" of "history" is "good" or "bad," let's try and premise the discussion on "history" as inevitably multiple. So, too, its understandings. What we call "innovation" or "invention" may, I suspect, as frequently occur from within the tradition as from without. It may also occur in the presence of some "understanding" or, to paraphrase Bloom, a creative misunderstanding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony higgins" <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] context > On 9/16/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > If I never saw a painting by Picasso, or any cubist painting, even > > > a poor knock off would probably seem pretty amazing. Unfrotunately, > > > there's no way to get rid of the role that context plays, when making > > > artistic judgements. > > > > very interesting comment... > > I would add to this the role of history...and/or historical context - > > which you imply by invoking Picasso... > > the question becomes: how can an artist build on the past, i.e. > > innovate, if s/he doesn't know about it? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Does innovation have to be built on the past? Isn't innovation more > defined for its departures from what has gone before rather than > similarities? Other people define what innovative is. I reckon for the > people doing it, it's just what they did. > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 17:07:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40199-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38059 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:07:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 38048 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:07:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:07:24 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Failed Artist? 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On 9/16/06, rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > failed appointment? > > > On 9/16/06, Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > than what? > > > > > > > -- > activities, releases, downloads http://emc.yserv.com/103 > > The no-budget Foundations http://no-bf.blogspot.com/ > > salon bruit in berlin http://salonbruit.blogspot.com > > --Boundary_(ID_BsS/sH+Tccb2iQ0NX6jDOg)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 16:59:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40198-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33469 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:59:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 33459 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:59:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:07 +0100 From: tony higgins <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] context In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Rno8SNKb3b33EjWoSdnF3fZ9iUokFmMm+7rRTnjkaXoRzl1ovpAWufxpI01ajbuDTPRrdXCeE7WBbGsbEEpFcPD8BaVnV1GlEAe4rsW2x9AeAZ/Z18lsj+YeFpS7Q6k5mOOcYXK9FKYQEU4mXfDgsO0FzBJ5jp0JSOKBycOfZCk= X-Google-Sender-Auth: a9fe748bbe18f5e1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/16/06, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > If I never saw a painting by Picasso, or any cubist painting, even > > a poor knock off would probably seem pretty amazing. Unfrotunately, > > there's no way to get rid of the role that context plays, when making > > artistic judgements. > > very interesting comment... > I would add to this the role of history...and/or historical context - > which you imply by invoking Picasso... > the question becomes: how can an artist build on the past, i.e. > innovate, if s/he doesn't know about it? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Does innovation have to be built on the past? Isn't innovation more defined for its departures from what has gone before rather than similarities? Other people define what innovative is. I reckon for the people doing it, it's just what they did. > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 16:20:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40197-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21127 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:20:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 21117 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:20:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:20:43 +0200 From: rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Failed Artist? 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On 9/16/06, Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > than what? > > -- activities, releases, downloads http://emc.yserv.com/103 The no-budget Foundations http://no-bf.blogspot.com/ salon bruit in berlin http://salonbruit.blogspot.com --Boundary_(ID_g+B/3Eh8dDEYtBMNRY2Mqw)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 16:20:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40196-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20068 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:20:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 20058 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:20:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:20:08 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] context To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > If I never saw a painting by Picasso, or any cubist painting, even > a poor knock off would probably seem pretty amazing. Unfrotunately, > there's no way to get rid of the role that context plays, when making > artistic judgements. very interesting comment... I would add to this the role of history...and/or historical context - which you imply by invoking Picasso... the question becomes: how can an artist build on the past, i.e. innovate, if s/he doesn't know about it? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 14:53:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40195-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94110 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:53:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 94099 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:53:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:53:22 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Failed Artist? 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Sat Sep 16 14:51:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40194-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91415 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:51:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 91405 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:51:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:51:00 -0500 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Failed Artist? 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On 9/16/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > a better question > > /:b > > > > brad brace sound: > http://69.64.229.114:8000 > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_n1kN4KAjMgiLYYmastcWRw)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 14:37:26 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40193-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85436 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:37:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 85425 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:37:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Failed Artist? In-reply-to: <002d01c6d91b$22ab16a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <002d01c6d91b$22ab16a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a better question /:b brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 02:01:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40192-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80945 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:01:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 80935 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:01:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:00:58 -0400 From: peter price <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: ****SPAM**** [microsound] degree programs in digital music? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx do you mean EGS as in egs.edu? I am starting my fourth year of study there and never would have thought of them as "particularly strong in digital music." The program is really critical theory/continental philosophy, and I am one of the only students there working on sound theory, but I certainly would like to see more. peter price On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Arielle Saiber wrote: > > Hello all, > > There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced > degrees in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in > knowing of ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that > are particularly strong in digital music. I am neither a musician > nor a music theorist, but I teach literature courses that > incorporate electronic music, and am doing some writing on > electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to mention a few of > these programs in my research. > > Thanks so much, > Arielle Saiber > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 16 01:13:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40191-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67051 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:13:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 67041 invoked from network); Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:13:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:13:51 -0400 From: Arielle Saiber <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] degree programs in digital music? Sender: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello all, There are many academic programs in the US that offer advanced degrees in Digital/New Media Studies, but I would be interested in knowing of ones in the US and around the world (such as EGS) that are particularly strong in digital music. I am neither a musician nor a music theorist, but I teach literature courses that incorporate electronic music, and am doing some writing on electronic music and genre theory. I'd like to mention a few of these programs in my research. Thanks so much, Arielle Saiber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 23:03:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40190-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24726 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:03:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 24716 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:03:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:03:18 +0100 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002d01c6d91b$22ab16a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am a facetious artist does that count? steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "P BJ" <x.x-x@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? > > Actually I pride myself on being a frivolous artist or at the very least > whimsical. > > Also (re: Aaron) - is it impossible to be an open-source serious artist > then? > > PBJ > >>From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >>Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? >>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0400 >> >>hi >> >>On 9/13/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>PS. I think js needs a hug. >> >>haha! >> >>> Most people I know trying to do "serious >>>art" are quite nice and no pretentious. Crazy, definitely, but not >>>really pretentious. >> >>why do people say their art is 'serious'? >>why can't it just be 'art'? [or 'work'] >>why do they need to separate themselves this way? [putting themselves >>in a 'serious' group. instead of what- a 'frivolous' group? an >>'amateur' group?] >> >>isn't this like "women's art"? [which is a better group to be in than >>a 'serious' group, but still is a ghetto of some sort] >> >>it seems to me, that by making this distinction there's something else >>that's important beside your art: the 'serious' part. maybe i've spent >>too much time with the dadists, anarchists, unschooled creative >>people, ... >> >>but if anyone on the list has big tits and wants to give me a hug- >>lemme know ... [note: humor- not 'serious'] >> >>-- >>\js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. 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Fri Sep 15 18:53:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40189-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29212 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:53:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 29201 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:53:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:53:39 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <C130B700.7126%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tEKf9xGY4EYZmLplUzYf3mXpL7/2qw9bDeEJVn9PuclMghuWamFMR7GkbmmRN67XdSH48ON2fomoKCgmObbvBFtpGmHmmVkZFVeXo2wTfe2+wPebwob/fZNZwhWPR6EvtJL494yUJ/qL7En/zyj/MwvAIbyZ3ca14Cg0IfcXM5k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C130B700.7126%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "Result", in terms of the aesthetic product, is an illusion - it is a snapshot of a process, frozen or crystallized at a given moment in time. Really, there are only processes, flows, fluxes. This is a fundamental premise of a materialism that can comprehend reality as forces in motion. Karl Marx developed this concept in Das Kapital, in his section on the fetishism of the commodity. Marx stated that a commodity was really a RELATIONSHIP between social forces in flux, that magically acquired the appearance of a substantial thing existing outside of and separately from those forces. (Scholars, forgive my inexact paraphrase of this concept from memory, I'm not in academia...) This passage, by the way, had a strong influence on Adorno and his aesthetic theory, I believe. Anyway, my point is that just is there is a fetishism of the commodity, there is a fetishism of the artwork, which views the art object as something that exists separately from the fluxes, flows, and processes that constitute the object and bring it into existence. I would argue that it is those processes that are most real, whereas the artwork is just a contingent moment in the midst of these neverending processes. ~David On 9/15/06, steinbrchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > If the process is irrelevant, I ask you this: if I painted an exact > > copy of a Picasso painting, am I then as great an artist as Picasso? > > After all, the process may be different, but the end result is the > > same! > > that's not the point at all, as the result is the same so you're not doing > anything which comes from your own yourself and your heart. but you could > paint with the same paint as picasso and still not be as great an artist. > so does the paint (read: process) matter or does the result matter? > > i don't want to act stubborn or singleminded, of course the process is > important as it's part of the result, but it's not the relevant thing for me > in music (or any art). there's a really fine difference there... > > nice weekend to all, > ralph. > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 18:02:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40188-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6245 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:02:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 6234 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:02:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:01:04 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C130B700.7126%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > If the process is irrelevant, I ask you this: if I painted an exact > copy of a Picasso painting, am I then as great an artist as Picasso? > After all, the process may be different, but the end result is the > same! that's not the point at all, as the result is the same so you're not doing anything which comes from your own yourself and your heart. but you could paint with the same paint as picasso and still not be as great an artist. so does the paint (read: process) matter or does the result matter? i don't want to act stubborn or singleminded, of course the process is important as it's part of the result, but it's not the relevant thing for me in music (or any art). there's a really fine difference there... nice weekend to all, ralph. -- ..:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 16:43:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40187-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68866 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:42:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 68856 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:42:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:42:55 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1309F41.711A%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx test --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 16:37:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40186-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63944 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:37:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 63927 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:37:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:37:10 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <C1309F41.711A%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hZNrtUMyHeDSV/nsgfbITF/i7oj6iCivmjgFWihJH++muLhhmrMy+O8wl86I2Zbf9ss3Wyd8636wtYhapiSnhnxgEOXpuIiZboacssNZ6n9Ri4hnVkY4k3sM3yOoskfTV/6mTJZSJYbNtNXrXCD42kEBq9cIKpeaU0niXNFPxIg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1309F41.711A%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I see your point, but here in Chicago, we get a lot of young artists influenced by conceptual art, that in my opinion make truly banal stuff. They think that their concept is more important than their interaction with the materials; as a result, the stuff has no depth, and indeed tends to be overly simple. Such stuff could really use some more complexity to succeed, from my point of view. Maybe it's a matter of taste, but I can't think of a lot of particularly simple stuff that moves me. Of course, without examples, it's hard to know precisely what you mean. There's more than one way to be simple, and more than one kind of complexity - ie. surface complexity, symbolic complexity, conceptual complexity... Is "In C" by Terry Riley simple, or complex? To move beyond the human realm, I like rain, wind, clouds, rust - all of these things seem complex and chaotic to me. Simplicity is more a human trait, based on the reductive pattern imposing capacity of the human brain. If the process is irrelevant, I ask you this: if I painted an exact copy of a Picasso painting, am I then as great an artist as Picasso? After all, the process may be different, but the end result is the same! ~David On 9/15/06, steinbrchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > so, basically you're arguing that music has to be complicated in order to be > "good" music. why does it matter in what process the piece of music was > created in order to be labeled "good" or "bad" music? i know a lot of very, > very simple structured and composed music which touches me far more then > whatever complicated programmed stuff... > > as all of you have guessed, i very much disagree with this comment and only > can say again, that the process (also read: tools, programs, software, > whatever, etc.) is completely irrelevant. > > ralph > > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 16:29:25 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40185-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53182 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:29:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 53158 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:29:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:29:06 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <C1309F41.711A%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lqz/+tmXtAw6DzAY3847QSvsRF119kr5gwpq/tj+Nn738mrVTcwrp3B5GvafHe1I8ZVEeLX3gepXXr2Dxh+pXzKP57kWyj4BSsh5NqdusDovztN9MjxY6rWG0ukzfldNJU6MAmQxIP9Ym53lNuRqbXn0thedxUeM7RhNIaJs5sk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1309F41.711A%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No, simple music also has a very refined process to it. You can't just sit down and write a melody and have it sound great. It takes a lot of work and effort to actualize it. Think of how a nice smooth stone feels in your hand, a lot like a great simple melody. Both are the process of continual erosion and handling, until the final result is achieved. Processes need not be complicated, they can be simple, yet selective and intentional as well. If there is no process, there is no history, and if there is no history, it's not interesting. Process need not be broadcast or advertised, but the difference between two works, one born from experience, and the other from naivete, is obvious to anyone experienced in the medium. ~Kyle On 9/15/06, steinbrchel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > If the artist just runs a recording through a plugin, say, thonk, > > which basically does a bunch of random processes which the user has no > > control over, and then plops it onto a cd and tries to sell it, it's > > not really a very in depth process, and not very good art or music in > > my opinion. > > > > But if the artist instead runs thousands of different soundfiles > > through the same program, and then hand picks a few that sound > > interesting to him/her, and then further tweaks and arranges these > > into a thoughtful composition, then this will be reflected in the > > piece. > > so, basically you're arguing that music has to be complicated in order to be > "good" music. why does it matter in what process the piece of music was > created in order to be labeled "good" or "bad" music? i know a lot of very, > very simple structured and composed music which touches me far more then > whatever complicated programmed stuff... > > as all of you have guessed, i very much disagree with this comment and only > can say again, that the process (also read: tools, programs, software, > whatever, etc.) is completely irrelevant. > > ralph > > > -- > > .:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 16:21:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40184-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44352 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:21:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 44340 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:21:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:19:45 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1309F41.711A%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > If the artist just runs a recording through a plugin, say, thonk, > which basically does a bunch of random processes which the user has no > control over, and then plops it onto a cd and tries to sell it, it's > not really a very in depth process, and not very good art or music in > my opinion. > > But if the artist instead runs thousands of different soundfiles > through the same program, and then hand picks a few that sound > interesting to him/her, and then further tweaks and arranges these > into a thoughtful composition, then this will be reflected in the > piece. so, basically you're arguing that music has to be complicated in order to be "good" music. why does it matter in what process the piece of music was created in order to be labeled "good" or "bad" music? i know a lot of very, very simple structured and composed music which touches me far more then whatever complicated programmed stuff... as all of you have guessed, i very much disagree with this comment and only can say again, that the process (also read: tools, programs, software, whatever, etc.) is completely irrelevant. ralph -- ..:.: http://www.synchron.ch :.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 15:49:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40183-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19411 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:49:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 19401 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:49:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:48:59 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rOjftzDF6MrIl2WdF6VNypBbmpAmi1dCoeWQY8/4b6Tm0N6fK7GpUWcYw2Qm/AborxIK5LoMrcWL/SpZwibXcyf3fitqDfOshb74vtHKW3J+cBPnU2yVrt5k/aupj0/FL3BU4WSSqdngLhNziW7bRkh3yDuwml5xr69TpEkSL5I= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is very true. Process is everything for art, because it indicates the line of intention and attention of the artist. If the artist just runs a recording through a plugin, say, thonk, which basically does a bunch of random processes which the user has no control over, and then plops it onto a cd and tries to sell it, it's not really a very in depth process, and not very good art or music in my opinion. But if the artist instead runs thousands of different soundfiles through the same program, and then hand picks a few that sound interesting to him/her, and then further tweaks and arranges these into a thoughtful composition, then this will be reflected in the piece. It's the same reason that Del Monte tomatoes are gross and bleached out, unfit for even a sandwich garnish, but a good ole homegrown Heirloom tomato is so delicious that it can be eaten like an apple. The difference is that one was given the minimal amount of attention to maximize quantity (and assumed profits), whereas the other was given a considerable dose of attention to maximize quality. So process, even if unrevealed, has a direct impact on the quality of a work. ~Kyle On 9/15/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I could resolve these contradictions by saying that what should be > judged, is the process of creation, as it encompases all aspects > including the tools. The process of creation includes building your > tools, taking existing tools and working with them in subtle and > complex ways, or finding ways to glitch out and abuse already existing > software. > > Most importantly, and something that some postmodern process artists > forget: part of the process is knowing when a piece is ready to be > frozen and fixed in a particular state as a "finished piece". It's > status as finished and frozen is somewhat arbitrary, yet nevertheless > necessary, for the production of most kinds of art, whether you are > building a building, writing a piece to be performed on October 17, or > creating a CD release. If the tool IS the artwork, then I'd argue you > are working in a different genre than a musician creating a CD, but > nevertheless the process of creation could still be examined. > > We can also criticize naive uses of tools on the basis of process. If > someone turns on a software, and in five minutes renders out some > trite audio based on a preset sound, we can speak of an inadequate > process. > > Even presets however might have their place in some processes. From > time to time, I'm drawn to the idea of making some kinds of super > crazy music, using old Casios with terrible presets, or samples of > said instruments (like Sk-1 drums). The obsolete and primitive nature > of their sound, perhaps would give such compositions some appeal and > an aura of melancholy. > > Of course, what if one doesn't know the process, which is so often > true? Just as often, of course, we don't ACTUALLY know the tools used > for a particular creation either... And people are likely to think > that X was created with Y, because Y is their favored tool for > creating X, without knowing anything about artist Z's actual working > methods. > > ~David > > On 9/15/06, thorin kerr <xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > This thread has provoked me out of quietly lurking... > > > > Once I was totally convinced that the method of production should be > > invisible. If it wasn't, then somehow I was letting the technology > > guide the sound, and this was somehow inferior to what I actually > > wanted to realise. > > > > And then I met an instrument builder. The art was in the instrument. > > All of it. It's construction, it's mechanics. It's sounds.. > > > > On the face of it these ideas oppose each other, but I'd suggest it's > > not worthwhile comparing them either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > > > 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' > > > > > > > > > > I agree! I have derived my musical activities towards constructing my own > > > software; thus, mi sound comes from my tool > > > > > > hernan > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 15:26:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40182-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11685 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:26:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 11670 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:26:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:26:46 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a8xy5dy7P/CPYasXyCHEKeJUCmemzSJ6GOLuRJI53aQ0xetFbxWi/CQhB8nY629VAC5YdzKR+bEfNFwKY5abOoISfPP9MH5exTOdeE3M6jCddxBw9We64OQ3h78jToLgBtnO6eqcTeVYfEdsCv3pqaQWB1+oVEFAWRxVhKKdvPE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I could resolve these contradictions by saying that what should be judged, is the process of creation, as it encompases all aspects including the tools. The process of creation includes building your tools, taking existing tools and working with them in subtle and complex ways, or finding ways to glitch out and abuse already existing software. Most importantly, and something that some postmodern process artists forget: part of the process is knowing when a piece is ready to be frozen and fixed in a particular state as a "finished piece". It's status as finished and frozen is somewhat arbitrary, yet nevertheless necessary, for the production of most kinds of art, whether you are building a building, writing a piece to be performed on October 17, or creating a CD release. If the tool IS the artwork, then I'd argue you are working in a different genre than a musician creating a CD, but nevertheless the process of creation could still be examined. We can also criticize naive uses of tools on the basis of process. If someone turns on a software, and in five minutes renders out some trite audio based on a preset sound, we can speak of an inadequate process. Even presets however might have their place in some processes. From time to time, I'm drawn to the idea of making some kinds of super crazy music, using old Casios with terrible presets, or samples of said instruments (like Sk-1 drums). The obsolete and primitive nature of their sound, perhaps would give such compositions some appeal and an aura of melancholy. Of course, what if one doesn't know the process, which is so often true? Just as often, of course, we don't ACTUALLY know the tools used for a particular creation either... And people are likely to think that X was created with Y, because Y is their favored tool for creating X, without knowing anything about artist Z's actual working methods. ~David On 9/15/06, thorin kerr <xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > This thread has provoked me out of quietly lurking... > > Once I was totally convinced that the method of production should be > invisible. If it wasn't, then somehow I was letting the technology > guide the sound, and this was somehow inferior to what I actually > wanted to realise. > > And then I met an instrument builder. The art was in the instrument. > All of it. It's construction, it's mechanics. It's sounds.. > > On the face of it these ideas oppose each other, but I'd suggest it's > not worthwhile comparing them either. > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' > > > > > > > I agree! I have derived my musical activities towards constructing my own > > software; thus, mi sound comes from my tool > > > > hernan > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 09:19:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40181-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97326 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:18:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 97315 invoked from network); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:18:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:18:58 +1000 From: thorin kerr <xxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n+OmxCAiHcuG9SsRs73ILppEWigUXv0Ol+X7ehlQ4fIIz2KnaFWFMZjzb48cE3hbw1UD4iKt7+UnlkvIPYli6v2Yn6xcWkz3ZOo25vbwjmg77xZqh1EuKS2TmH6zVpqlnlOMAccq43fm4VsvxUlG2zyCRbFQ76eNlsh6WuUoFqw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This thread has provoked me out of quietly lurking... Once I was totally convinced that the method of production should be invisible. If it wasn't, then somehow I was letting the technology guide the sound, and this was somehow inferior to what I actually wanted to realise. And then I met an instrument builder. The art was in the instrument. All of it. It's construction, it's mechanics. It's sounds.. On the face of it these ideas oppose each other, but I'd suggest it's not worthwhile comparing them either. On 9/15/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' > > > > I agree! I have derived my musical activities towards constructing my own > software; thus, mi sound comes from my tool > > hernan > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 22:20:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40180-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15707 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:20:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 15697 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:20:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1882/Thu Sep 14 04:04:02 2006 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > online... but still must reckon with the consequences (e.g. not one > "legit" label has ever followed through on an offer to put something of > mine out... other factors such as sucking may be at play, but I don't > think that's the *only* reason...). Realize I should clarify this, by "legit" I meant Big Name Brand, I've worked with awesome, supportive, and very high-quality mini-labels (and/OAR and Grain of Sound to name names). To give props where they're due. aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 21:55:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40179-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6698 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:55:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 6686 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:55:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55:36 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jlwS0YxP4Mkh2KtNeMCY0Z4xDdIZlVrd/A6L5fx15aaQozcAK0A10KSMDOF1pAPtMzOd/mjWF5CSqpKd9fot/ULxUnZo2YOqMVdylnmufCgtmsiFBeUWNLl1GaaS2mJc65xjrSwC4jdOexILJq2qzByEyWRa2ov8lV5vy0j0DH4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Fwiw I've found both hosting concerts and selling CDRs that most people in > my culture (for good or ill) without reflection assume something expensive > is more worthwhile than something free. An OT example of this in Japan: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_09/b3922073.htm "In Japan, shoppers associate low prices with low quality and are suspicious when a retailer offers jeans for $10." -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 21:51:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40178-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4557 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:50:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 4543 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:50:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1882/Thu Sep 14 04:04:02 2006 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Also (re: Aaron) - is it impossible to be an open-source serious artist > then? Well, "open-source" doesn't meen free as in beer... ....but I take your point and would say that while my comment was partly in jest, it is actually a useful instrumental definition... and that it's only reinforced by the fact that things open-source on the one hand or free as in beer on the other are both relatively disregarded and treated with skepticism in the world at large. That's an observation, not a recommendation. Fwiw I've found both hosting concerts and selling CDRs that most people in my culture (for good or ill) without reflection assume something expensive is more worthwhile than something free. E.g. when I charge you $10 for a show you'll pay more attention and assume the artists are "serious," if I let you in free it's 50/50 whether you'll even show up. The CD/CDR debate is another morph of this. Me, I like participating in projects that poke at these factoids (e.g. the droplift compilation)... and make almost all my work available for free online... but still must reckon with the consequences (e.g. not one "legit" label has ever followed through on an offer to put something of mine out... other factors such as sucking may be at play, but I don't think that's the *only* reason...). YMMV of course. aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 20:03:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40177-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58414 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:03:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 58402 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:03:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:03:26 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RdIsjuaTn4AHARGVeBJsgqiV620BAJXiHBMyzRf6yr3VIyOmh/Eei1o1orbRFMsS6K/928E+0FQuPA7/JA6f3gg+LsQsznnHbpIY0hQhyk9Qvu2LKdIZWYWBQ6tHFxAawo5zTi5hV6ilPBXhV9gaNva7O8iVIY7QkZUb+CabZMc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > enough technical proficiency and dazzle and people start to take hacks for something a bit more than that... stuff churned out by rote gets mistaken for innovation and artistry elsewhere is neglected and languishes... Hasn't this always been the case? I can think of plenty classical music (Tchaikowsky) that for me falls into this category. But this is more a matter of how perceptive and demanding the audience is. If I never saw a painting by Picasso, or any cubist painting, even a poor knock off would probably seem pretty amazing. Unfrotunately, there's no way to get rid of the role that context plays, when making artistic judgements. But I stand by my point, that in the present day and age, just being passionate about one's work and having the courage to keep making art is quite difficult, so we should be glad that some people take it rather "seriously", even if sometimes they don't laugh enough... ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 19:53:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40176-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54300 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:53:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 54289 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:53:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:53:29 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cJoIpWKY4IWAKwKojNUrAe2bCYVSZcEBF/egwVCJB+4nylod9fGyGqFKNiKeJR7B6s8Q5xEKUpGZ/D3Zjnq6nl3/fbBovCT6X4W43Gauj/9QKanumeX5wCaYkmqa7UWk26arKoGYT4EaTXTbWFyHn1HFf2N40XKhPm2B72daEnA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > it would be hard for me to figure a finality like that in something i perceive to be cyclical Then perhaps it's not so much a "danger" as it is an inconvenience. Or maybe I'm reading "danger" too literally. -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 19:48:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40175-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51637 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:48:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 51625 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:48:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1RyEJyjg9F2y7vyfayoCWw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GPLXN2waNx3ySNBhox+auy2dwfeDrKI/Y33Ynh8doA/sLWZEClwGZsriPuu0wcmpCjSKNbgPYlVvDMDpOhmhqfS7gR22wYgZowEB/ij/RTai+pGV+9WI0m159WvDKlwcqK2W4HUbyToBS4pgrF5NqaHskZcxZIjv62mCjQWmnpA= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1RyEJyjg9F2y7vyfayoCWw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit it would be hard for me to figure a finality like that in something i perceive to be cyclical.... although i would say that it could be said that we are entering a long period for music where innovation in is driven solely by advances in technology. better, more efficient and ambitious ways of doing what cage, perry and eno (to pull some names out of a hat) discovered about sound in the last century. is music waiting for listening to catch up? is it waiting for a paradigm shift in tool-making? (can i make for you sounds that bypass your ears entirely...will it still be music?) will we know what we are looking for when we see it? Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: On 9/14/06, xe non wrote: > enough technical proficiency and dazzle and people start to take hacks for something a bit more than that... stuff churned out by rote gets mistaken for innovation and artistry elsewhere is neglected and languishes... The danger has passed -- the horses have bolted and the barn has long since burnt down. Haven't they? Hasn't it? Maybe not... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Thu Sep 14 19:42:51 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40174-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48282 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:42:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 48271 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:42:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:42:35 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] elucidate In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z7VCpM9dC/SlMPf6PRG/xQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_z7VCpM9dC/SlMPf6PRG/xQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Bill Jarboe wrote: > I think of when multi-track recorders were first available and > musicians were reluctant to use them for fear of being accused of > doing the Les Paul thing. interesting. i have never, ever heard of any musicians of that era doing anything but lining up to do work on the new machines. of course there were some who were reluctant to change their work methodology, but most producers embraced the new technologies with vigor. same thing with the electric guitar - no one was put off by it being les' idea, guitarists bought them in droves and still are. (and no fender vs paul rants here, just replace the names if you disagree.) ;-) cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick --Boundary_(ID_z7VCpM9dC/SlMPf6PRG/xQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 19:23:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40173-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38768 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:23:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 38755 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:23:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:23:23 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UTYj7fyf6Fk+tfDQi4mHoTPC6Ma4PgCYH9ziSQdZHAUXCJUj1CHxgTM3vli6C42E1u/91UxIBrePh4/92LvvbPpEQOvnDWbtgv4dsYu6rHUUXjGgW5mBI79Y8QBJfvzcyQGq3JuzkUV7a6oTLJ3iB0nbtlaSHnJBy1YD0gBHASo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > enough technical proficiency and dazzle and people start to take hacks for something a bit more than that... stuff churned out by rote gets mistaken for innovation and artistry elsewhere is neglected and languishes... The danger has passed -- the horses have bolted and the barn has long since burnt down. Haven't they? Hasn't it? Maybe not... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 19:23:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40172-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38411 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:23:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 38399 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:23:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:23:13 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] elucidate In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.98 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kj7JDVvRleTPJ8cu+eqwOzmVQbyKEL8Y6GBTHB+nrbmtuZIdbrfXqUWFj5+hxA54; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609c55320fced14fd09a0b73affbb7dc3cf2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> but you never really elucidate what the heck that actually means. >> > > not much to elucidate...think about it and discuss, repeat as often as > needed... I think of when multi-track recorders were first available and musicians were reluctant to use them for fear of being accused of doing the Les Paul thing. One can utilize the same tool and have a completely different message , also the meaning of the message in regards to the tool can change over time. A message might have an ever changing or infinite meaning , yet if that is applied outside of ones immediate discipline to an infinite number of tools does that statement really carry any more meaning than walking into a room and saying 'The Universe' or 'Wow' and then exiting? -b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 19:12:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40171-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30462 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 30451 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_N8jeqmkhKj35HlWMY19nAQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m+O14Fnr/HFFiMmDie76ZPfZd0BuitriyX+CC6iqFmfakczsBOPAR1OAG831LuGciR1vscNfePHEvEMV2Sc2ZFvykR44FEHAwCmdNms5YkR5m7zudohgUoa9Eegcj+lu2cd1bR06h682Mh0iTeZwSHNcikv13OV2fbxedQuqOuU= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_N8jeqmkhKj35HlWMY19nAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit enough technical proficiency and dazzle and people start to take hacks for something a bit more than that... stuff churned out by rote gets mistaken for innovation and artistry elsewhere is neglected and languishes... regarding humour, by coincidence i just read an interview with senor coconut regarding his yellow fever album where he touches on this very subject. it can be found here: http://www.essayrecordings.com/a_coconut.htm an excerpt: " And what really struck me was that the attitude was totally different; it was a totally positive understanding of musicsometimes funny, and always very positive, in a futuristic sense, but without the futurist pathos." xe Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: On 9/14/06, xe non wrote: > its the talented hacks that are truly dangerous... How? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. --Boundary_(ID_N8jeqmkhKj35HlWMY19nAQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:50:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40170-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20798 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:50:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 20780 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:50:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QZNF6m01hk66oacxemm/jQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t/cfOfCZdEJ39i7xuoUUim6dc6t7O8ol46sWbm/zCAQA2c74vr5QOTgVBa9CBZVLanIcfrtbe1J0FUmusbvD9g93Zr7Q0dBLisB9ZZhzTwvBHVyAajfpHLZrgW5luLBSSzrj7WqyyUpt3VZ5KARJZTfNySd40MyM3nztIrIKDQw= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_QZNF6m01hk66oacxemm/jQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yaaaayyy!!... fame and fortune are sure to follow... ill be sure and thank you in my acceptance speech... aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: ah so he gets the book any way... aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Bill Jarboe wrote: > I thought it was originally recorded by Jonathan Richman and The > Modern Lovers. > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:51 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Bingo, you win a self help book entitled, "How to become a really >> serious artist in ten days." >> >> Enjoy! :) >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:34 AM, xe non wrote: >> >>> burning sensations...from the repo man soundtrack. >>> >>> >>> >>> While your response is entertaining, i still do not think you can >>> compare Pablo Picasso to Paris Hilton. But i must say that Paris does >>> look a lot better when viewed in the dark with night vision then >>> Pablo >>> would. "Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to >>> anyone that can name the band that sang that song! >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_QZNF6m01hk66oacxemm/jQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:49:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40169-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19775 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:49:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 19765 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:49:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:49:42 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GAGSTfXx1VaHWikR5/TZNOSsrHWIBNeOSm9cvwbqcrYYiOAET0mn/E7dDNg7sns0/9qn86X2OGcEifq/e83yfsIx2Y30+RD5a/8aHqGzELPv6+XnkFgk7/n+7+Fj+SCcVj4EMTp/SqFiGdsElzVuxqun/9sDaOXVfkJQEDvVMGE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > its the talented hacks that are truly dangerous... How? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:49:06 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40168-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18612 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:48:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 18602 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:48:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:48:55 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Tuned Staircase In-reply-to: <000001c6d82d$8c8237f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HxKgfwPSER5JhlsTvFbVcrXvauxX0zHQ8rUQYnnxehkdNl+UMZ8hWe8dwJ2eKHdBkd0+23EL9/aOX6z+9wUNbn8D+KJbsLpkr7/0Rz5VidhNXsSZI/Xl0dvAMwdUQWeKs44SRHu6poeySHY6sz33YZn3hXVytBHHfs5M3YcTVmc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000001c6d82d$8c8237f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.fabrica.it/tuned_stairs/ Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRPM1Fn-Aw&search=tom%20hanks%20piano -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:47:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40167-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16520 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:47:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 16507 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:47:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xKmj/XaZsO9gVOBbtSiZ9g)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CK2lwR3ts1Q2p9xn9mS9M6ElCyIMxpH0gIPW1WaokIsXxJwQ9J/lsp0juuAQurl7Iyj7sBFem2tx+R8ogZxrp2ZeE2wwbT8YyGJR7Eyi6jdDHyCo4zYDIgXxRWtNqDR/MxPAwYr0nvT4xyFVhLhW6kC32thnUDYqZLch2b2YQzc= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_xKmj/XaZsO9gVOBbtSiZ9g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit im not so worried about teh untalented ones...its the talented hacks that are truly dangerous... David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: PS. that should say "untalented hacks" below... On 9/14/06, David Powers wrote: This concept of the serious artist is not so bad, if it allows > some individuals to keep creating interesting work. Will there also be > talented hacks who think of themselves as serious artists? Of course, > but that's not the point. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_xKmj/XaZsO9gVOBbtSiZ9g)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:42:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40166-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14291 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:42:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 14281 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:42:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:42:35 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Tuned Staircase To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000001c6d82d$8c8237f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcbYLYu6VEuSLwk4TOOw/WWvTC/Kwg== X-DCC--Metrics: ss73.shared.server-system.net 1367; Body=1 Fuz1=1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.fabrica.it/tuned_stairs/ so..., serious artists can be funny? ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 347.225.1058 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:32:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40165-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8039 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:32:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 8028 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:32:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:32:35 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] elucidate To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > but you never really elucidate what the heck that actually means. > not much to elucidate...think about it and discuss, repeat as often as needed... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:17:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40164-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1073 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:17:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 1062 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:17:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:16:57 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yeah its pretty spot on. Way better then I said it... aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > i'm gonna print this e-mail out and stick it over my computer. > > well said! > > graham > On 14-Sep-06, at 12:27 PM, David Powers wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:14:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40163-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98403 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:13:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 98392 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:13:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:13:40 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ah so he gets the book any way... aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Bill Jarboe wrote: > I thought it was originally recorded by Jonathan Richman and The > Modern Lovers. > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:51 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Bingo, you win a self help book entitled, "How to become a really >> serious artist in ten days." >> >> Enjoy! :) >> >> aLEKs >> >> >> On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:34 AM, xe non wrote: >> >>> burning sensations...from the repo man soundtrack. >>> >>> >>> >>> While your response is entertaining, i still do not think you can >>> compare Pablo Picasso to Paris Hilton. But i must say that Paris does >>> look a lot better when viewed in the dark with night vision then >>> Pablo >>> would. "Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to >>> anyone that can name the band that sang that song! >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:12:58 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40162-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97184 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:12:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 97165 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:12:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:12:34 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rnzfu3qQhs3Lq0BsxY3901LlVUUIeQ3PbjTyxMAuST0g9jVVGIb2Q0SPsUGb6ip+8U+kR7Py8MoyBZvm+jDmIu3UtA/9T4w0pdOp20UG659VwfXxFltnBUESvx5nf6WwB908eS1SBNAO/FgFtpFOdX570ap/cvTzAo2G3hDkSTE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx PS. that should say "untalented hacks" below... On 9/14/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: This concept of the serious artist is not so bad, if it allows > some individuals to keep creating interesting work. Will there also be > talented hacks who think of themselves as serious artists? Of course, > but that's not the point. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 18:06:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40161-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93650 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:06:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 93639 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:06:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:06:21 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm gonna print this e-mail out and stick it over my computer. well said! graham On 14-Sep-06, at 12:27 PM, David Powers wrote: > In the United States anyway, it is harder and harder to get > compensated for doing interesting work. This means, that anyone who is > not very serious, is going to GIVE UP. It takes a very serious > attitude to continue to devote one's energy to the seemingly frivolous > act of creating art, in the face of financial difficulty and a > generally hostile environment for presenting work. > > One has to be a little crazy, to think the work one does is somehow > important. But only such a misguided belief, will give an individual > the courage to continue to develop, explore, and evolve without giving > up. This concept of the serious artist is not so bad, if it allows > some individuals to keep creating interesting work. Will there also be > talented hacks who think of themselves as serious artists? Of course, > but that's not the point. > > Also, to suggest "serious" contradicts "playful" is a willful > misreading. We know that creativity and play are essential to art, > even very dark art -- if not in the overt content, at least in the > structures that are elaborated and developed. > > Whether some people have a sense of humor, while other people have a > darker and less humorous outlook, is a matter of personality. We know > from history that many types of personalities are able to make art. > Quite a few artists were and are, after all, eminently dislikable. Let > us not judge the art work, based on personality of the artist. That > is, indeed, the province of the celebrity, who have no work but only > their shrink wrapped personalities to present to the public. > > Mark Pauline is I'm sure very friendly, and has no need to call his > work art, but I'm sure when it comes to building the machines, working > out the logistics, and doing all the necessary practical work for a > show, he is quite serious in some sense. > > Finally, since this is a list with quite a few "artists", would it not > be worthwhile to set a tone where rigorous creative work is encouraged > -- where serious, difficult work is encouraged? Do those who disparage > the term "serious artist" really want a world, where nobody takes > their creative endeavours seriously, but instead creatively talented > people just got bought up, to make commercials for Nike and Red Bull? > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 17:50:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40160-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85521 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:50:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 85502 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:50:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:50:09 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.15.64 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hc8lI7d81fnzGFreohvuaUPyDoTBEyD0zkgXdlzhSdOL/iJDzQ4SFRVYoRt+qDk4; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609a5086d34e037556cdcc652dd1e02e6c13ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I thought it was originally recorded by Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers. On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:51 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > Bingo, you win a self help book entitled, "How to become a really > serious artist in ten days." > > Enjoy! :) > > aLEKs > > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:34 AM, xe non wrote: > >> burning sensations...from the repo man soundtrack. >> >> >> >> While your response is entertaining, i still do not think you can >> compare Pablo Picasso to Paris Hilton. But i must say that Paris does >> look a lot better when viewed in the dark with night vision then Pablo >> would. "Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to >> anyone that can name the band that sang that song! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 16:52:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40159-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63890 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 63878 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qBP7FY9wWwqlC4O0HexHow)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SxBeIwsPUSghaKSuxV0DNLsygiN6e0X3fMnNXYhpCezSRKNkriMQMO+oRxkxPAb26z/hf0NWS1qxzgQJ3xsFoIA70GUToCP54OJfNqA/8gFdM+YXmIWY+0J27FbonakFvuGaPyYmPlbpWxwuNV19HMJcn2vUwFqG5H3DqY1pn7A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qBP7FY9wWwqlC4O0HexHow) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cale did a version? cool... im trying to imagine the bowie version and i cant quite get there. thanks for the heads-up... Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: On 2006 Sep 14, at 10:34 AM, xe non wrote:"Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to > anyone that can name the band that sang that song! Well, first it was John Cale, then The Modern Lovers. Later Television Personalities and even Bowie. Jonathan Richman wrote it. R --- Now playing: Cal Tjader/Stan Getz - Ginza Samba --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --Boundary_(ID_qBP7FY9wWwqlC4O0HexHow)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 16:44:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40158-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60269 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:44:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 60256 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:44:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:44:31 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 14, at 10:34 AM, xe non wrote:"Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to > anyone that can name the band that sang that song! Well, first it was John Cale, then The Modern Lovers. Later Television Personalities and even Bowie. Jonathan Richman wrote it. R --- Now playing: Cal Tjader/Stan Getz - Ginza Samba --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 16:29:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40157-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51791 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:29:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 51780 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:29:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' > I agree! I have derived my musical activities towards constructing my own software; thus, mi sound comes from my tool hernan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 16:27:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40156-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49692 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:27:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 49675 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:27:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:27:00 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WVZDHP2uHWsRnJTPbaOqHLkQ3WiYIGr0oN0N6Owvi4Joi2rteUl/vuywTvz4QRjeizpntzD/zf79KVyfdb+KzP4YzaJEgiVy7EzEFrCmzgaouHSNmnsEO8HlCW+EzBM6pFeiSyXpX92KMxFLIMkCrNANez01VCt9X6YGX3mjJ84= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In the United States anyway, it is harder and harder to get compensated for doing interesting work. This means, that anyone who is not very serious, is going to GIVE UP. It takes a very serious attitude to continue to devote one's energy to the seemingly frivolous act of creating art, in the face of financial difficulty and a generally hostile environment for presenting work. One has to be a little crazy, to think the work one does is somehow important. But only such a misguided belief, will give an individual the courage to continue to develop, explore, and evolve without giving up. This concept of the serious artist is not so bad, if it allows some individuals to keep creating interesting work. Will there also be talented hacks who think of themselves as serious artists? Of course, but that's not the point. Also, to suggest "serious" contradicts "playful" is a willful misreading. We know that creativity and play are essential to art, even very dark art -- if not in the overt content, at least in the structures that are elaborated and developed. Whether some people have a sense of humor, while other people have a darker and less humorous outlook, is a matter of personality. We know from history that many types of personalities are able to make art. Quite a few artists were and are, after all, eminently dislikable. Let us not judge the art work, based on personality of the artist. That is, indeed, the province of the celebrity, who have no work but only their shrink wrapped personalities to present to the public. Mark Pauline is I'm sure very friendly, and has no need to call his work art, but I'm sure when it comes to building the machines, working out the logistics, and doing all the necessary practical work for a show, he is quite serious in some sense. Finally, since this is a list with quite a few "artists", would it not be worthwhile to set a tone where rigorous creative work is encouraged -- where serious, difficult work is encouraged? Do those who disparage the term "serious artist" really want a world, where nobody takes their creative endeavours seriously, but instead creatively talented people just got bought up, to make commercials for Nike and Red Bull? ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 16:22:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40155-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46522 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:22:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 46510 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:22:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:22:36 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Graham Miller wrote: > if weird al serious about what he does? george carlin? i'd say yes. > people can be serious about being not serious. (huh?) > Yes, i would consider them both artist's regardless of wether i can apprecaite their work or not. I know that i am treading thin ice here, and it opens a whole other can of worms. > > i think the last two paragraphs contradict each other. i agree with > the example of your dad, but how is this different than the judgement > you are passing on your imaginary architect? how can you know what > motivates this man or woman? maybe they have grander aspirations than > their work or the circumstances of their lives will allow them? Then just do it. Aspirations should be realized. I think most of the people on this list, yourself included are great examples of this. Why do you explore the things that you explore on your own time? Why are you curious? What motivates you to get off your ass and do what you do, to hide your self in your studio and explore ideas after a full days work? Same logic behind my example i guess. You choose to use your spare time in a productive manner. I think in many ways this defines and individual. >> Maybe i romanticize what an artist is or what it should be. I do >> know that the creative people i have known, who are passionate, >> driven, "Serious" about what they do, always move forward and better >> themselves. A lot of people on this list have been doing what they >> do for many years because of how they feel about their "art". A >> label is only as valid as the definition placed upon it, again i >> guess its a point of reference thing. >> >> Is art dead? Has it always been dead? I see individuals on this >> list label what is art and what is not art. Your opinion differs >> from mine? Well too bad your wrong, im right. Is a commercial >> Designer always a hipster? > > arial is the new helvetica. true true > > people tend to forget dual meaning of 'playing' music. at its root is > the word 'play.' i always remind myself of that every time i feel > like i'm drifting off course. there is no denying that one can be > serious about 'playing,' serious about having fun, serious about > making people happy. i take that pretty seriously, otherwise what > else is there? > This reminds me of Miles Davis for some reason. aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:57:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40154-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31232 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:57:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 31222 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:57:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:28 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yeah... from your essay. but you never really elucidate what the heck that actually means. i don't see a difference. makes for good chin stroking, though. g. On 14-Sep-06, at 11:19 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... >> ralph. > > 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:54:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40153-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28877 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:53:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 28866 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:53:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:53:53 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 14-Sep-06, at 10:36 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > Which of the following could be considered serious artists? > > Phillip Glass, Hayden, Stockhausen or C and C Music Factory, Paris > Hilton, Ricky Martin? i lot of really bad 'artists' take themselves pretty seriously. delusions of grandeur, if you will. look at these interviews. they're hilarious. i think what these people confuse is artistry from celebrity. they take being a celebrity pretty seriously. very few - andy warhol comes to mind - are able to fuse the two into one giant performance piece. most so-called professional artists are actually professional celebrities. but i'm not telling anyone here anything they don't already know. > > I do not find it a useless term what soever. To me a serious > artist means just that, someone who is serious. Sorry no implied > implications there. Just a literal description of some one who is > very serious about their work, passion what ever it is that they do. if weird al serious about what he does? george carlin? i'd say yes. people can be serious about being not serious. (huh?) > Should we be like the uber PC crowd and come up with another term > because "serious artist" can be misconstrued in so many different > ways. So many different points of reference? To me it is not a > judge-mental term imposing my opinions upon the label/moniker. > > I think there is a huge difference in regards to what motivates > Paris Hilton, and what motivates someone like Pablo Picasso, or > better yet my dad for example, an average Joe who learned the trade > of furniture making more then 50+ years ago. Who takes pride in > every facet of what he does, strives to learn something new every > day. Refines a process or invents a new one always driven by the > passion he has for what he does. Why does someone like this never > stop working? Why would someone like this use their spare time to > do the same thing they do at work every day? > > What about Frank Loyd Wright, who spent a lifetime exploring the > possibilities of the aesthetic of design and architecture, why do > people like this achieve so much? because they are not serious? > What about the shmo at a local architecture firm who never > considers his profession out side of work, and cranks out the same > uninspired drivel his whole life because it is only a job to him. > A means to an end. Someone who just does not have the fortitude to > apply himself, to learn, to enrich. Should these two individuals be > considered equal as artist's? Is it pompous to label them? How > does one differentiate between the two in regards to substance? i think the last two paragraphs contradict each other. i agree with the example of your dad, but how is this different than the judgement you are passing on your imaginary architect? how can you know what motivates this man or woman? maybe they have grander aspirations than their work or the circumstances of their lives will allow them? > > Maybe i romanticize what an artist is or what it should be. I do > know that the creative people i have known, who are passionate, > driven, "Serious" about what they do, always move forward and > better themselves. A lot of people on this list have been doing > what they do for many years because of how they feel about their > "art". A label is only as valid as the definition placed upon it, > again i guess its a point of reference thing. > > Is art dead? Has it always been dead? I see individuals on this > list label what is art and what is not art. Your opinion differs > from mine? Well too bad your wrong, im right. Is a commercial > Designer always a hipster? arial is the new helvetica. > No respect for problem solving? Intelligent design? Ugh just an > example. I know that i am guilty of this to some extent as well, > and it is almost impossible not to do so when you are discussing > art and its endless philosophical facets, i just find it very > disappointing when i hear fellow artist's. or anyone for the matter > take such a hard line in regards to anything creative. people tend to forget dual meaning of 'playing' music. at its root is the word 'play.' i always remind myself of that every time i feel like i'm drifting off course. there is no denying that one can be serious about 'playing,' serious about having fun, serious about making people happy. i take that pretty seriously, otherwise what else is there? > > In the end though i think the conversations/exchange of ideas that > go down on this list are of a very positive nature. Its when > people get angry or intense on this list that things truly > interesting. > > I guess i should get back to work eh? > > Cheers > > aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:51:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40152-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26381 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:51:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 26365 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:51:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:51:11 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bingo, you win a self help book entitled, "How to become a really serious artist in ten days." Enjoy! :) aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:34 AM, xe non wrote: > burning sensations...from the repo man soundtrack. > > > > While your response is entertaining, i still do not think you can > compare Pablo Picasso to Paris Hilton. But i must say that Paris does > look a lot better when viewed in the dark with night vision then Pablo > would. "Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to > anyone that can name the band that sang that song! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:36:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40151-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17833 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 17811 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:53 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pm+seWYqU/SuDlFmsjiH5NpPSUCRaYh3NDx6GixVxXfhJm792V400IRXefg6wU39B3in7S25dzCl1BSjyfkyz6LiFWIRO4Ln1oCO4WZvq48uUHjMuQpJBzlYBSdNmCcmY1J8vSileLugOsk5AEJiTzK8RnJ8WchRXqlAUzdK3V0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F3CB2.315C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > But some > times it is necessary in order to differentiate. Or recognize how someone differentiates themselves, perhaps. (I'd rather someone else do the work... ) -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:35:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40150-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17088 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 17078 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:39 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i can relate to point b! On 13-Sep-06, at 6:48 PM, xe non wrote: > isnt it usually the hipsters that front the Serious Artist tag? > > usually the artists doing the really interesting things dont have > time for that sort of self- branding. > > case in point... mark pauline from SRL: > > a) is one of the nicest people you could want to meet > > b) calls his works 'stuff' in a seemingly genuine unself- > concious way > > c) might possibly sic one of his machines on me for considering > him an important artist in this email. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:34:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40149-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15830 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 15820 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/NX9ddN+h7TJyJ0zkzimkQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o+v6Cbrrnw6eUiE9ewe55SZUKSqFBTJDkWxNL6N22v71VG7jaGKzIDQbPKt96/ojXv0otQeydzMMuUpwn7kPnSNoowZw/4b5dvZQtdO7dbHqqQqPIO6exCDRw7EvFa6gYv5omad5sB5YJS1SPMhlgNPTobaPmTRABOGezr5EiHs= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_/NX9ddN+h7TJyJ0zkzimkQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit burning sensations...from the repo man soundtrack. aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > > he was a fairly serious architect- took himself and his work quite > seriously. however, there are many architects who take their work [and > themselves] very seriously and do not leave the legacy that frank > lloyd wright did. so maybe being serious is not the most important > thing about being an artist ... Wether someone is ground breaking or not, or leaves a legacy behind is irrelevant. My point is being serious about what you do allows you to accomplish more. Accomplishing more is usually a good thing for any artist. > aren't you taking the hard line here- insisting that being 'serious' > is important for an artist? No, i do not think so. Again i think you achieve more. I do not imply in any way that serious means no fun. But i think being a slack ass who realizes a tenth of his/her potential is a waste. > > hmm, well sex is/was a huge motivation to both ... so maybe, in this > regard, they are more alike than their artistic output would lead you > to believe ... While your response is entertaining, i still do not think you can compare Pablo Picasso to Paris Hilton. But i must say that Paris does look a lot better when viewed in the dark with night vision then Pablo would. "Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to anyone that can name the band that sang that song! aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. --Boundary_(ID_/NX9ddN+h7TJyJ0zkzimkQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:33:53 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40148-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14555 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:33:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 14544 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:33:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:27 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <C12F3CB2.315C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F3CB2.315C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Great post, I agree with most of your what you say, but how does one differentiate between a complete slack ass and someone who is not a complete slack ass? I do not like to label things either. But some times it is necessary in order to differentiate. Not all things are the same. That is essentially all i am doing by labeling someone a serious artist. No offense meant by it. aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:06 AM, steinbrchel wrote: >> i just find it very disappointing when i hear fellow artist's or >> anyone for >> the matter take such a hard line in regards to anything creative. > > dear aLEKs > i don't feel that this is a hard line at all. i don't disrespect > anything > creative at all, all i was trying to say is that i don't think terms > like > "artist" and "serious" are valid and important (or relevant terms). > also my point concerning the question of graham yesterday... > > my point is more, that each of us has a personnel view and reflection > about what is "art" and what is "serious" and i'd rather not label > things > like that... this is going more or less into the same direction as > labeling > music itself, which i also think is useless as it doesn't describe the > music. just listen to it, whatever name it carries... just use whatever > program you think is right for you (no matter who else does or does not > use it...). > > work on whatever makes you happy or what you feel the need to and not > what > anybody else likes or is doing and then you are a "serious artist". > this is > why i don't think it's relevant to talk about labels and names and > that's > also why i think it's completely unimportant what programm you use for > music > or whatever. > > do i design with freehand or illustrator or corel draw? does it > matter? do > you like my sound better because i use supercollider or use a 4-track > tape > deck recorder? these are all things that are not important in my > opinion, > because only the result is important. of course the process is part of > the > game and their are valid reasons for this, but it should never > overshadow > the result. i don't like autechre more because i know how to work, i > really > don't give a s***t at all how they work. either it touches me > emotionally or > it doesn't... very easy! > > and again, i never disrespected graham for his question and i never > stated > that i disprespect anything "creative", "art", "serious" or > whatever... i > would feel very sorry if that's how you understand my comments... > > thank you, > ralph. > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:31:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40147-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12749 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:31:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 12736 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:31:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:31:04 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QDLt5+zTn72gD61qzLPygZPZi2V+9rR2cUpaXlbUmY9tqyA7GVPS3dalqZ5PGAEcPy2eNKvC+mk1ZDTKBqUA7E9Mc3Dqg1om22fS9Ve11qHjK6eV4Rzah0rbRbFTkDzVqUuWEnTynnu2EUp55npnCorsJXhUZxAPQmTGFTRcobE= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <000e01c6d80e$714707a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/14/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > I disagree. You can be playful and creative, and still be serious. > too many examples of artist's to reference. Pick your favorite. To me > serious just means realizing your potential, whatever that may be. The > thread from last week about drop lifting is a good example of this. Not just artists, I imagine; probably plenty of examples here: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22serious+play%22&meta= (Interesting that Lego shows up at the top) -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:30:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40146-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11646 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:30:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 11632 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:30:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:28:01 +0100 From: Clark|KENT <xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OT: For Kim Cascone [Sorry Everyone] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Edi=E7=E3o_de_Autor?= MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=WNbjSKQ0rYiNOYSXUIIvaaQZIXSehWfr59AupNfXH1B9GEjtvDty4Wx99Wpj6l9vz0syLuZHc7hj4K7GBzuBWL7Sw6+1ATetuu4p2ULHXBnK8HZ9gbKlOtwQRQ+qfHDosDm3gRas0pA74gfXPUwjysiONx3h8KZJM2QWC0UnJu8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim, please contact as soon as possible Miguel S from Variz in Portugal. thank you. Kim Cascone escreveu: >> and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... >> ralph. > > 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:27:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40145-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9271 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:27:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 9260 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:27:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:27:07 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <000e01c6d80e$714707a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <000e01c6d80e$714707a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I disagree. You can be playful and creative, and still be serious. too many examples of artist's to reference. Pick your favorite. To me serious just means realizing your potential, whatever that may be. The thread from last week about drop lifting is a good example of this. aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:59 AM, David @ Audiobulb wrote: > one aspect of the definition "serious" is the meaning of "unplayful: > completely lacking in playfulness" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:19:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40144-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5527 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:19:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 5512 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:19:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:19:01 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... > ralph. 'the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:08:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40143-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99962 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:08:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 99947 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:08:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:08:20 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > he was a fairly serious architect- took himself and his work quite > seriously. however, there are many architects who take their work [and > themselves] very seriously and do not leave the legacy that frank > lloyd wright did. so maybe being serious is not the most important > thing about being an artist ... Wether someone is ground breaking or not, or leaves a legacy behind is irrelevant. My point is being serious about what you do allows you to accomplish more. Accomplishing more is usually a good thing for any artist. > aren't you taking the hard line here- insisting that being 'serious' > is important for an artist? No, i do not think so. Again i think you achieve more. I do not imply in any way that serious means no fun. But i think being a slack ass who realizes a tenth of his/her potential is a waste. > > hmm, well sex is/was a huge motivation to both ... so maybe, in this > regard, they are more alike than their artistic output would lead you > to believe ... While your response is entertaining, i still do not think you can compare Pablo Picasso to Paris Hilton. But i must say that Paris does look a lot better when viewed in the dark with night vision then Pablo would. "Nobody ever called Pablo picasso and asshole" A prize to anyone that can name the band that sang that song! aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:07:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40142-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 98559 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:07:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 98545 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:07:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:07:53 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C12F3CE9.315D%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Serious Artist? Thread-index: AcbYD40Zy3nJZkQCEdujWAARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > aren't you taking the hard line here- insisting that being 'serious' > is important for an artist? very good question... ralph. -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:06:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40141-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97473 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:06:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 97461 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:06:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:06:58 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C12F3CB2.315C%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Serious Artist? Thread-index: AcbYD2xRqwuOpkQCEdujWAARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > i just find it very disappointing when i hear fellow artist's or anyone for > the matter take such a hard line in regards to anything creative. dear aLEKs i don't feel that this is a hard line at all. i don't disrespect anything creative at all, all i was trying to say is that i don't think terms like "artist" and "serious" are valid and important (or relevant terms). also my point concerning the question of graham yesterday... my point is more, that each of us has a personnel view and reflection about what is "art" and what is "serious" and i'd rather not label things like that... this is going more or less into the same direction as labeling music itself, which i also think is useless as it doesn't describe the music. just listen to it, whatever name it carries... just use whatever program you think is right for you (no matter who else does or does not use it...). work on whatever makes you happy or what you feel the need to and not what anybody else likes or is doing and then you are a "serious artist". this is why i don't think it's relevant to talk about labels and names and that's also why i think it's completely unimportant what programm you use for music or whatever. do i design with freehand or illustrator or corel draw? does it matter? do you like my sound better because i use supercollider or use a 4-track tape deck recorder? these are all things that are not important in my opinion, because only the result is important. of course the process is part of the game and their are valid reasons for this, but it should never overshadow the result. i don't like autechre more because i know how to work, i really don't give a s***t at all how they work. either it touches me emotionally or it doesn't... very easy! and again, i never disrespected graham for his question and i never stated that i disprespect anything "creative", "art", "serious" or whatever... i would feel very sorry if that's how you understand my comments... thank you, ralph. -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 15:00:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40140-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93286 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:59:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 93275 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:59:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:59:55 +0100 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000e01c6d80e$714707a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx one aspect of the definition "serious" is the meaning of "unplayful: completely lacking in playfulness" any artist who is unable to be playful is unable to create so in that respect there are no serious artists ----- Original Message ----- From: "aleks vasic" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? Which of the following could be considered serious artists? Phillip Glass, Hayden, Stockhausen or C and C Music Factory, Paris Hilton, Ricky Martin? I do not find it a useless term what soever. To me a serious artist means just that, someone who is serious. Sorry no implied implications there. Just a literal description of some one who is very serious about their work, passion what ever it is that they do. Should we be like the uber PC crowd and come up with another term because "serious artist" can be misconstrued in so many different ways. So many different points of reference? To me it is not a judge-mental term imposing my opinions upon the label/moniker. I think there is a huge difference in regards to what motivates Paris Hilton, and what motivates someone like Pablo Picasso, or better yet my dad for example, an average Joe who learned the trade of furniture making more then 50+ years ago. Who takes pride in every facet of what he does, strives to learn something new every day. Refines a process or invents a new one always driven by the passion he has for what he does. Why does someone like this never stop working? Why would someone like this use their spare time to do the same thing they do at work every day? What about Frank Loyd Wright, who spent a lifetime exploring the possibilities of the aesthetic of design and architecture, why do people like this achieve so much? because they are not serious? What about the shmo at a local architecture firm who never considers his profession out side of work, and cranks out the same uninspired drivel his whole life because it is only a job to him. A means to an end. Someone who just does not have the fortitude to apply himself, to learn, to enrich. Should these two individuals be considered equal as artist's? Is it pompous to label them? How does one differentiate between the two in regards to substance? Maybe i romanticize what an artist is or what it should be. I do know that the creative people i have known, who are passionate, driven, "Serious" about what they do, always move forward and better themselves. A lot of people on this list have been doing what they do for many years because of how they feel about their "art". A label is only as valid as the definition placed upon it, again i guess its a point of reference thing. Is art dead? Has it always been dead? I see individuals on this list label what is art and what is not art. Your opinion differs from mine? Well too bad your wrong, im right. Is a commercial Designer always a hipster? No respect for problem solving? Intelligent design? Ugh just an example. I know that i am guilty of this to some extent as well, and it is almost impossible not to do so when you are discussing art and its endless philosophical facets, i just find it very disappointing when i hear fellow artist's. or anyone for the matter take such a hard line in regards to anything creative. In the end though i think the conversations/exchange of ideas that go down on this list are of a very positive nature. Its when people get angry or intense on this list that things truly interesting. I guess i should get back to work eh? Cheers aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 9:25 AM, steinbrchel wrote: > Am 14.9.2006 15:00 Uhr schrieb "peter lasell" unter <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > >> "Serious Artist" tends to mean that others take the artists work >> seriously. > > i disagree, as i don't think this has anything to do about the other > peoples > opinion... if nobody likes my "art" i still can be very serious about it. > being serious, determined and sincere about one's own work is very > personnel > and doesn't have anything to do with anybodys opinion. of course if > everybody likes my "art" then i'm a successfull artist, but that doesn't > necessarily make me more serious... > >> The term doesn't necessarily describe the quality of an artists work. I >> don't >> think money has to figure into the definition of the term. > > with this i very much agree :) > >> Peter >> www.peterlasell.net > > by the way, i don't want to sound ridicilous again (cheers to graham), but > me personnel thinks that the term "serious artist" is totally useless and > (you've guessed it) NOT RELEVANT :) > > have a nice day, > ralph. > >> --------------------------------- >> Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 14:57:33 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40139-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90204 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:57:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 90114 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:57:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:56:59 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tO6xJRz/4QynZ4EqOEXrwpDL5BYdQLh29XdBSs+qlCIpuPZSlO65HBvkMVHcext2pkEqaPxHA8me71OMkZHDRUDqVXXcMHlMVMBYr3bNitfjDLt0T/Qr31KEC3U8vO1u9Sv8XeX6tMclSuLePdARS0xn4L60o7ecN78Xqk4siYI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/14/06, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > I think there is a huge difference in regards to what motivates Paris > Hilton, and what motivates someone like Pablo Picasso hmm, well sex is/was a huge motivation to both ... so maybe, in this regard, they are more alike than their artistic output would lead you to believe ... > What about Frank Loyd Wright, who spent a lifetime exploring the > possibilities of the aesthetic of design and architecture, why do > people like this achieve so much? well, frank lloyd wright's early career was not nearly so ground breaking as the latter part of it. he was a fairly serious architect- took himself and his work quite seriously. however, there are many architects who take their work [and themselves] very seriously and do not leave the legacy that frank lloyd wright did. so maybe being serious is not the most important thing about being an artist ... > i just find it very > disappointing when i hear fellow artist's. or anyone for the matter > take such a hard line in regards to anything creative. aren't you taking the hard line here- insisting that being 'serious' is important for an artist? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 14:37:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40138-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77310 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:36:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 77298 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:36:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:36:41 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Which of the following could be considered serious artists? Phillip Glass, Hayden, Stockhausen or C and C Music Factory, Paris Hilton, Ricky Martin? I do not find it a useless term what soever. To me a serious artist means just that, someone who is serious. Sorry no implied implications there. Just a literal description of some one who is very serious about their work, passion what ever it is that they do. Should we be like the uber PC crowd and come up with another term because "serious artist" can be misconstrued in so many different ways. So many different points of reference? To me it is not a judge-mental term imposing my opinions upon the label/moniker. I think there is a huge difference in regards to what motivates Paris Hilton, and what motivates someone like Pablo Picasso, or better yet my dad for example, an average Joe who learned the trade of furniture making more then 50+ years ago. Who takes pride in every facet of what he does, strives to learn something new every day. Refines a process or invents a new one always driven by the passion he has for what he does. Why does someone like this never stop working? Why would someone like this use their spare time to do the same thing they do at work every day? What about Frank Loyd Wright, who spent a lifetime exploring the possibilities of the aesthetic of design and architecture, why do people like this achieve so much? because they are not serious? What about the shmo at a local architecture firm who never considers his profession out side of work, and cranks out the same uninspired drivel his whole life because it is only a job to him. A means to an end. Someone who just does not have the fortitude to apply himself, to learn, to enrich. Should these two individuals be considered equal as artist's? Is it pompous to label them? How does one differentiate between the two in regards to substance? Maybe i romanticize what an artist is or what it should be. I do know that the creative people i have known, who are passionate, driven, "Serious" about what they do, always move forward and better themselves. A lot of people on this list have been doing what they do for many years because of how they feel about their "art". A label is only as valid as the definition placed upon it, again i guess its a point of reference thing. Is art dead? Has it always been dead? I see individuals on this list label what is art and what is not art. Your opinion differs from mine? Well too bad your wrong, im right. Is a commercial Designer always a hipster? No respect for problem solving? Intelligent design? Ugh just an example. I know that i am guilty of this to some extent as well, and it is almost impossible not to do so when you are discussing art and its endless philosophical facets, i just find it very disappointing when i hear fellow artist's. or anyone for the matter take such a hard line in regards to anything creative. In the end though i think the conversations/exchange of ideas that go down on this list are of a very positive nature. Its when people get angry or intense on this list that things truly interesting. I guess i should get back to work eh? Cheers aLEKs On Sep 14, 2006, at 9:25 AM, steinbrchel wrote: > Am 14.9.2006 15:00 Uhr schrieb "peter lasell" unter > <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > >> "Serious Artist" tends to mean that others take the artists work >> seriously. > > i disagree, as i don't think this has anything to do about the other > peoples > opinion... if nobody likes my "art" i still can be very serious about > it. > being serious, determined and sincere about one's own work is very > personnel > and doesn't have anything to do with anybodys opinion. of course if > everybody likes my "art" then i'm a successfull artist, but that > doesn't > necessarily make me more serious... > >> The term doesn't necessarily describe the quality of an artists work. >> I don't >> think money has to figure into the definition of the term. > > with this i very much agree :) > >> Peter >> www.peterlasell.net > > by the way, i don't want to sound ridicilous again (cheers to graham), > but > me personnel thinks that the term "serious artist" is totally useless > and > (you've guessed it) NOT RELEVANT :) > > have a nice day, > ralph. > >> --------------------------------- >> Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 13:32:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40137-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50512 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:31:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 50500 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:31:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:31:52 +0200 From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: [microsound] FLASHCORE this friday in London UK In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx sept 15th at the elektrowerkz/slimelight Elektrowerkz. 7 Torrens Street London, London EC1V tube Angel the very first HANGARS LIQUIDES night one night of flashcore/cybercore live acts 10PM to 6AM electrocrash warm up by NO NAME - FR, fischkopf then SEDARKA - BE, mirex... 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Thu Sep 14 13:25:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40136-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46276 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:25:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 46259 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:25:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:25:49 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C12F24FD.3153%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] Serious Artist? Thread-index: AcbYAUrpibJlu0P0EdujWAARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Am 14.9.2006 15:00 Uhr schrieb "peter lasell" unter <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > "Serious Artist" tends to mean that others take the artists work seriously. i disagree, as i don't think this has anything to do about the other peoples opinion... if nobody likes my "art" i still can be very serious about it. being serious, determined and sincere about one's own work is very personnel and doesn't have anything to do with anybodys opinion. of course if everybody likes my "art" then i'm a successfull artist, but that doesn't necessarily make me more serious... > The term doesn't necessarily describe the quality of an artists work. I don't > think money has to figure into the definition of the term. with this i very much agree :) > Peter > www.peterlasell.net by the way, i don't want to sound ridicilous again (cheers to graham), but me personnel thinks that the term "serious artist" is totally useless and (you've guessed it) NOT RELEVANT :) have a nice day, ralph. > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 13:01:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40135-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34279 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:01:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 34258 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:01:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pU0wYnuChMGEDZ4O5fnBsA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k8ePdezpnpOmix/sDzZrDfZh0KNJB37jiVyQEEG/Kdw2zDyl6X/oRefTZe8+IdIAyXSEibqi4ZrvxFDBZvqE4btZqwFM1h1HqFpWYPq445Et6VvZHEmwPvst/vJX+9xz1pD3eeBol8bmjqjFSa3W5lLzqdkkcR5uENI23fJrbRE= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_pU0wYnuChMGEDZ4O5fnBsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Serious Artist" tends to mean that others take the artists work seriously. The term doesn't necessarily describe the quality of an artists work. I don't think money has to figure into the definition of the term. Peter www.peterlasell.net --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_pU0wYnuChMGEDZ4O5fnBsA)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 11:52:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40134-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11707 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:52:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 11696 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:52:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:52:17 +0100 From: P BJ <x.x-x@xxxxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: [217.34.159.81] X-Sender: x.x-x@xxxxxxx.xx.xx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [x.x-x@xxxxxxx.xx.xx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 11:52:22.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D107A80:01C6D7F4] Actually I pride myself on being a frivolous artist or at the very least whimsical. Also (re: Aaron) - is it impossible to be an open-source serious artist then? PBJ >From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0400 > >hi > >On 9/13/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>PS. I think js needs a hug. > >haha! > >> Most people I know trying to do "serious >>art" are quite nice and no pretentious. Crazy, definitely, but not >>really pretentious. > >why do people say their art is 'serious'? >why can't it just be 'art'? [or 'work'] >why do they need to separate themselves this way? [putting themselves >in a 'serious' group. instead of what- a 'frivolous' group? an >'amateur' group?] > >isn't this like "women's art"? [which is a better group to be in than >a 'serious' group, but still is a ghetto of some sort] > >it seems to me, that by making this distinction there's something else >that's important beside your art: the 'serious' part. maybe i've spent >too much time with the dadists, anarchists, unschooled creative >people, ... > >but if anyone on the list has big tits and wants to give me a hug- >lemme know ... [note: humor- not 'serious'] > >-- >\js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. 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Thu Sep 14 06:13:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40133-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82777 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:13:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 82766 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:13:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:13:28 -0700 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.197 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jqncEV5hI3nExAlDLJL8U+xzMuaVRaxQL3S6R+KHlvQfL4ctCtbi0VYZTx3qsCOP; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c26098c6a776106b09c0b66cdd20ce9975b9da7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:56 PM, David Powers wrote: > I use the term "serious artist", to distinguish people who bust their > asses off doing cool $1t, often for little compensation; as opposed > to the kind of stuff that designers produce, on demand, for whoever is > willing to pay them. > > Sometimes the same people, do both kinds of work, but I refuse to take > commercial design seriously as art. Most designers have so bought into > the capitalist model, however, that they seem unable to comprehend > this... > I've had a problem with what to put in that window when making mp3s. You know the one where it says Artist? I've thought about it seriously so I suppose I'm serious though I'm not sure if I'm an artist. With that outsiders perspective I'd say the difference is that a serious artist is willing is willing to portray them-self in an unfavorable light for a good reason. $1t A dilettante will only choose to make statements which are obviously to that person's advantage , not realizing that it is the depth , the honesty which give a person's work intrinsic value. -bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 02:15:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40132-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9525 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:14:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 9515 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:14:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:14:56 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 13, at 8:49 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: > > On 2006 Sep 13, at 8:33 PM, Clark|KENT wrote: > >> It works fine when i use it with Ableton Live. That is the >> experience i have with it. > > OK, thanks, I'll try it with that. > Just thought that it should be a bit more well-rounded. Actually, that last line didn't come out right. Anyway, it works fine in Live (and I've got a nice intro to Live as well) Thanks again! Rod --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 01:49:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40131-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99716 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:49:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 99706 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:49:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:49:28 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 13, at 8:33 PM, Clark|KENT wrote: > It works fine when i use it with Ableton Live. That is the > experience i have with it. OK, thanks, I'll try it with that. Just thought that it should be a bit more well-rounded. R~~ --- Now playing: Jack McDuff - Whap! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 01:36:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40130-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93164 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:35:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 93149 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:35:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:33:43 +0100 From: Clark|KENT <xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Edi=E7=E3o_de_Autor?= MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=pxJVmJp7+a/E0cWcDTMBfN0JMEkegJw6bSylmdrgnQruqwC0LBjI/tECNnVynNRSc8xtyV7LgTosgw0Pf22r9Cwx6kN9fE6HWZFx8C8od4ZqlxtWkPN8ypHr9z03x+Xkh2964anr3ME4haN6QcqBiPVEFDcdZiZCRMmlOKmhjX0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It works fine when i use it with Ableton Live. That is the experience i have with it. Rod Stasick escreveu: > > On 2006 Sep 06, at 1:05 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > >> http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/2005/07/livecut.php > > > Just opening this up on a file in something simple like Amadeus. > The window comes up, but just hitting "PLAY" or modifying sound then > saving makes it crash. So, other than the examples, I can't get it to > do anything. > Is it crashing on anyone else? > > > Rod > > > > > > > --- > Now playing: Roy Milton - If You Don't Know > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 14 01:29:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40129-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90003 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:29:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 89993 invoked from network); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:29:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:29:33 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 06, at 1:05 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/2005/07/livecut.php Just opening this up on a file in something simple like Amadeus. The window comes up, but just hitting "PLAY" or modifying sound then saving makes it crash. So, other than the examples, I can't get it to do anything. Is it crashing on anyone else? Rod --- Now playing: Roy Milton - If You Don't Know --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 22:48:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40128-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26160 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:48:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 26150 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:48:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VWUAKybX0M0XXlarLmm5BQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tPSYZ/Tu8uPEj3tcCYUYiNv9YaCBoOXynWUAawMmFnH8hHN6mpiIUsLSjm9FPmdlN0r9ft8INmeuTq78EOxzdigl6Viihk7v+CU4DtChvOCgk5s6dDAaFp31/6FBLGsDpEXgyoADaBAiyMNsMJj4pKHnzjnEhJV68LvDhoyjTts= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_VWUAKybX0M0XXlarLmm5BQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit isnt it usually the hipsters that front the Serious Artist tag? usually the artists doing the really interesting things dont have time for that sort of self- branding. case in point... mark pauline from SRL: a) is one of the nicest people you could want to meet b) calls his works 'stuff' in a seemingly genuine unself-concious way c) might possibly sic one of his machines on me for considering him an important artist in this email. David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: I use the term "serious artist", to distinguish people who bust their asses off doing cool $h1t, often for little compensation; as opposed to the kind of stuff that designers produce, on demand, for whoever is willing to pay them. Sometimes the same people, do both kinds of work, but I refuse to take commercial design seriously as art. Most designers have so bought into the capitalist model, however, that they seem unable to comprehend this... PS. I think js needs a hug. Most people I know trying to do "serious art" are quite nice and no pretentious. Crazy, definitely, but not really pretentious. Now hipsters, on the other hand... ~David On 9/13/06, js wrote: > hi > > On 9/13/06, Jason Hollis wrote: > > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, oh > > list at large. > > in no particular order: > wanker > wannabe > humorless > pretentious > > sometimes these guys and gals can do good work that i like; but i most > often don't even get near enough to find out. the attitude is too > thick ... > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_VWUAKybX0M0XXlarLmm5BQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 21:49:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40127-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99180 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:48:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 99169 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:48:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1877/Wed Sep 13 10:30:14 2006 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx An instrumental definition of serious: art (like everything) is serious when someone pays for it. xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 21:26:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40126-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88625 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:26:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 88604 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:26:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MkN1ZYat6XQcU6NcLAQI6cUTbWkBgu+kgSvXC0zYlbn9pVEsMwd1MEgaRTSEzaYrO8+vJLITzYKLWY2QZF+F/FXH2BYbFTLZeOh9ROWLSNzZH/VnvYKlAzuPOXhgVDrEG0oAwsycipDM8iDLUdtwgXhhITdWFnUivz/rigntHF0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/13/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > PS. I think js needs a hug. haha! > Most people I know trying to do "serious > art" are quite nice and no pretentious. Crazy, definitely, but not > really pretentious. why do people say their art is 'serious'? why can't it just be 'art'? [or 'work'] why do they need to separate themselves this way? [putting themselves in a 'serious' group. instead of what- a 'frivolous' group? an 'amateur' group?] isn't this like "women's art"? [which is a better group to be in than a 'serious' group, but still is a ghetto of some sort] it seems to me, that by making this distinction there's something else that's important beside your art: the 'serious' part. maybe i've spent too much time with the dadists, anarchists, unschooled creative people, ... but if anyone on the list has big tits and wants to give me a hug- lemme know ... [note: humor- not 'serious'] -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 21:24:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40125-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86572 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:24:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 86513 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:24:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:24:02 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wow. aLEKs On Sep 13, 2006, at 4:56 PM, David Powers wrote: > I use the term "serious artist", to distinguish people who bust their > asses off doing cool $h1t, often for little compensation; as opposed > to the kind of stuff that designers produce, on demand, for whoever is > willing to pay them. > > Sometimes the same people, do both kinds of work, but I refuse to take > commercial design seriously as art. Most designers have so bought into > the capitalist model, however, that they seem unable to comprehend > this... > > PS. I think js needs a hug. Most people I know trying to do "serious > art" are quite nice and no pretentious. Crazy, definitely, but not > really pretentious. Now hipsters, on the other hand... > > ~David > > On 9/13/06, js <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> hi >> >> On 9/13/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' >> are, oh >> > list at large. >> >> in no particular order: >> wanker >> wannabe >> humorless >> pretentious >> >> sometimes these guys and gals can do good work that i like; but i most >> often don't even get near enough to find out. the attitude is too >> thick ... >> >> -- >> \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 21:21:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40124-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83405 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:21:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 83395 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:21:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:21:27 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think you definately get the "Best Multiple Post Award" for the day. aLEKs On Sep 13, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Milan Davidovic wrote: > On 9/13/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> I use the term "serious artist", to distinguish people who bust their >> asses off doing cool $h1t, often for little compensation; as opposed >> to the kind of stuff that designers produce, on demand, for whoever is >> willing to pay them. > > Oh, I thought we were talking about Serious Artists, not serious > artists. That's a whole 'nother thing... > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 21:18:11 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40123-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 81299 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:17:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 81289 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:17:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:17:58 -0400 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ihv7/2rrnBI9RFLmuJgwMiG34LidviSGO8vSMB/wD5HPoLgA2ygRPWdyE27d4Ho9BEPqRSVeBcuctOUIAHb3ggnIooox1lNN/QFiK1DkbvLiaVhFz7ecZC1ha5qKdby/bBqDwkdQD4dlovpsaLk6ZPtF8wdW8nwniwjABg2eTtQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/13/06, David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I use the term "serious artist", to distinguish people who bust their > asses off doing cool $h1t, often for little compensation; as opposed > to the kind of stuff that designers produce, on demand, for whoever is > willing to pay them. Oh, I thought we were talking about Serious Artists, not serious artists. That's a whole 'nother thing... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 20:56:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40122-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69861 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:56:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 69848 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:56:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:56:27 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZZrNtDRudqWyTfwSMJXflwT5Zpeuz2yk+aEUwQJDoodELEoKaqRdv/AY5qNbU7en3LOpZytlOxXZUalmUXX3Xsy/FKGSR93ozdRAihGFwV67zZTlp3WSQN/JIoTDhzAB3nZIN20Swak48YfJrnkhvudjTBDbEa2AAnJMyf6cVXU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I use the term "serious artist", to distinguish people who bust their asses off doing cool $h1t, often for little compensation; as opposed to the kind of stuff that designers produce, on demand, for whoever is willing to pay them. Sometimes the same people, do both kinds of work, but I refuse to take commercial design seriously as art. Most designers have so bought into the capitalist model, however, that they seem unable to comprehend this... PS. I think js needs a hug. Most people I know trying to do "serious art" are quite nice and no pretentious. Crazy, definitely, but not really pretentious. Now hipsters, on the other hand... ~David On 9/13/06, js <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi > > On 9/13/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, oh > > list at large. > > in no particular order: > wanker > wannabe > humorless > pretentious > > sometimes these guys and gals can do good work that i like; but i most > often don't even get near enough to find out. the attitude is too > thick ... > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 20:33:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40121-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61434 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:33:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 61423 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:32:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:32:58 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VsQ8Zkl1XHi77OJKqpzeVue0QIFrQBh4yj0Rj55qlr1Aq9g/j10yiTqImCDZZ5DyEKl6ikFd+ZxMxBeMPuoImUuPcOwf6DozHTpy+opQsr6hb9Zij80mrCj4uHMf6t5wn98r7XCsuXvpaQAOqVQ4MqFs4SgXM4oR1pvS2mvKdNk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/13/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, oh > list at large. in no particular order: wanker wannabe humorless pretentious sometimes these guys and gals can do good work that i like; but i most often don't even get near enough to find out. the attitude is too thick ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 18:28:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40120-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2987 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:28:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 2964 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:28:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:28:13 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? In-reply-to: <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well anyone that is constantly pushing their art, exploring new process's regardless of media/genre. Wether it be graphic design, painting, music, film, video, blah blah. Artist's can be inspired by almost anything. Its a sticky topic. Is someone who does hobby art and gets a paint by numbers kit as serious an artist as someone who devoted his life to painting and goes on a life long journey of discovering different processes/being inspired by different process, receives academic training for painting? I guess thats up to each individual to decide. Personally i do not think the two individuals can be compared but thats just me. aLEKs On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > I see this term used often...obviously we all have our own set of > contextual definitions for what 'Serious Artist' means. > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, > oh list at large. =] > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 18:25:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40119-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1348 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 1333 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:40 -0400 From: billy gomberg <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=xLYiXI3O1fSCPus7u7kdAkNNtVsrwGXpOlOM3IJS9AG0GdjOcfZxLR9Rk3oUPc7gZsT5/kfsrpV87n2EbDUwT5QO0ocidJwykZGeLCkbnYCXdJSyNgaF6k1teups/4LQS4PTKK7gfMlDJ6qglFqzjQ4Du3pFb09oIZlbGfHrtmo= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aLEKs I wasn't writing with a specific point in mind. I don't think I'm the only one ever to do such a thing on a list. I was using recent posts and responses to them to rant or whatever in relation to those posts. I am not so sure that it's an obvious logic to most of the serious artists on list, I don't know many of them, either personally or through their work, or both, but I can say that taking something from every basket, expanding my reference to beyond this very small list, and accepting that I be stating the obvious, I felt like writing it. I felt that it may contribute to discussion, either of the technical nature of the video in question (I'm sure I'm not the only one of the serious artists here that is comfortable discussing max/msp/jitter or techniques of video processing), or maybe something grad schooly like "artistic inquiry." I expanded Graham's simply query and Ralph's simple response into an "issue" that artist's should deal with, curious or no. It was something to do and my brain needed a little excercise. while "it is not relevant etc" is Very Blanket, sometimes I have a great affinity with it, and it is a fine starting point for some sporting debate about something relevant. I do not feel it is ridiculous. Also, I am glad you agree with me. b fraufraulein.com On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:08 PM, aleks vasic wrote: > I think your missing the point. Someone stated that "it is not > relevant how something is made", period. Very Blanket statement. > Its an opinion with no point of reference. Someone on this list > wanted to know the process for a reason. Artist's are curious by > nature. I do not see how anyone can make a comment on Grahams > query unless they had a point of reference, yourself included. > While your post was great, and i agree with much of it, i am sure > that its an obvious logic to most of the serious artist's on this > list. It is what it is, a question, any thing past that on the > readers part is purely of an assumptuous nature. > > > aLEKs > > > On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:58 PM, billy gomberg wrote: > >> oy. jeez. yeesh. >> >> if there are (obviously / at least) two sides to things, then here >> they are, ridiculous or no. >> >> on one hand, it can be helpful (and at least relieve some >> curiousity) to know the ones-and-zeros or whatever of a specific >> artwork. this does not necessarily bring with it a deeper >> understanding of the work itself (if one is to be had at all), >> neither does it provide insight into one's own artistic practice. >> >> I do not find it to be in any way ridiculous to willfully ignore >> the technical trappings of a work. ANY audience can view (and >> maybe even understand!) a work simply by encountering it, and >> while there "how'd they do that?" curiosity may be picqued, the >> answer is not necessary for their enjoyment of the work. >> >> GENERALLY, the most communicative parts of a work occur after the >> technical production - in the viewing, audition, or performance. >> I'll give that there are many, modern artworks that rely heavily >> on their technical apparatus (or process) to communicate with an >> audience. but there is still a necessary narrative that occurs >> after this, which relies on the exhibition of the work to the >> audience. >> >> THAT is the relevant part of the work. >> >> (not to say that production expertise is worthless in relation to >> artistic or conceptual whatever, rather that our experience of the >> work contains the most information to be understood and enjoyed) >> >> SO - no one is being ridiculous here. please. >> >> thanks, ralph, for reminding me of that small chip on my >> shoulder. I thought I misplaced it! >> >> graham, I hope the small technical brief helps you with your >> work. I agree, it looks like Jitter mapping video to 3-D >> whatevers. not my specialty, but I recognize it. >> >> billy g, bored at work >> >> fraufraulein.com >> >> On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. >>> >>> On 13-Sep-06, at 5:15 AM, steinbrchel wrote: >>> >>>> and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... >>>> ralph. >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter >>>> <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: >>>> >>>>> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other >>>>> effects. >>>>> >>>>> best, >>>>> roland >>>>> >>>>> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Illustream.ch >>>>> Roland Hausheer >>>>> Am Wasser 55 >>>>> 8049 Zrich >>>>> phone 01 340 25 73 >>>>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx >>>>> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: >>>>> >>>>>> and for your viewing pleasure: >>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >>>>>> >>>>>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the >>>>>> festival. i >>>>>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do >>>>>> this >>>>>> kind of thing myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >>>>>> >>>>>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >>>>>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know >>>>>> rasternoton >>>>>> does some really cool synced up stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks a million in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> drooling graham >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 18:25:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40118-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 350 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 340 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:25:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:25:10 -0700 (PDT) From: xe non <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Serious Artist? 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Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: On 9/13/06, Jason Hollis wrote: > I see this term used often...obviously we all have our own set of contextual > definitions for what 'Serious Artist' means. > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, oh > list at large. =] Should have a beret and some kind of chemical dependency, or at the very least some mental disorder. -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org "It's a new breed...they're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid." --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. --Boundary_(ID_PLjnEy4oTl0vB6bYC/fB9g)-- From ???@??? 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In-reply-to: <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h64wmSATykem709tvWkUggTV0egKbCSYxXhGGNkAoniIN8u+CYFqomlnbDJ/8PZ62EMHa2FWRNybw66mLqkEmbCg9vR3Ikdw3srl0U44OJMNRND2bvkHWYZFopd8pdk2+wU/n6crJ2/LvzuwwoBNPwF6QjhNjAZGKugGSnAsf2c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/13/06, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I see this term used often...obviously we all have our own set of contextual > definitions for what 'Serious Artist' means. > I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, oh > list at large. =] Should have a beret and some kind of chemical dependency, or at the very least some mental disorder. -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 18:13:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40116-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91712 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 91690 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:12:23 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Serious Artist? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001c01c6d760$2b7d9300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I see this term used often...obviously we all have our own set of contextual definitions for what 'Serious Artist' means. I'm interested to know what your definitions for 'Serious Artist' are, oh list at large. =] ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 18:08:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40115-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88305 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:08:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 88295 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:08:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:08:21 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Q4tfagQjWOb3AL2H/FsRTg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Q4tfagQjWOb3AL2H/FsRTg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think your missing the point. Someone stated that "it is not relevant how something is made", period. Very Blanket statement. Its an opinion with no point of reference. Someone on this list wanted to know the process for a reason. Artist's are curious by nature. I do not see how anyone can make a comment on Grahams query unless they had a point of reference, yourself included. While your post was great, and i agree with much of it, i am sure that its an obvious logic to most of the serious artist's on this list. It is what it is, a question, any thing past that on the readers part is purely of an assumptuous nature. aLEKs On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:58 PM, billy gomberg wrote: > oy. jeez. yeesh. > > if there are (obviously / at least) two sides to things, then here > they are, ridiculous or no. > > on one hand, it can be helpful (and at least relieve some curiousity) > to know the ones-and-zeros or whatever of a specific artwork. this > does not necessarily bring with it a deeper understanding of the work > itself (if one is to be had at all), neither does it provide insight > into one's own artistic practice. > > I do not find it to be in any way ridiculous to willfully ignore the > technical trappings of a work. ANY audience can view (and maybe even > understand!) a work simply by encountering it, and while there "how'd > they do that?" curiosity may be picqued, the answer is not necessary > for their enjoyment of the work. > > GENERALLY, the most communicative parts of a work occur after the > technical production - in the viewing, audition, or performance. I'll > give that there are many, modern artworks that rely heavily on their > technical apparatus (or process) to communicate with an audience. but > there is still a necessary narrative that occurs after this, which > relies on the exhibition of the work to the audience. > > THAT is the relevant part of the work. > > (not to say that production expertise is worthless in relation to > artistic or conceptual whatever, rather that our experience of the > work contains the most information to be understood and enjoyed) > > SO - no one is being ridiculous here. please. > > thanks, ralph, for reminding me of that small chip on my shoulder. I > thought I misplaced it! > > graham, I hope the small technical brief helps you with your work. I > agree, it looks like Jitter mapping video to 3-D whatevers. not my > specialty, but I recognize it. > > billy g, bored at work > > fraufraulein.com > > On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > >> that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. >> >> On 13-Sep-06, at 5:15 AM, steinbrchel wrote: >> >>> and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... >>> ralph. >>> >>> >>> Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter >>> <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: >>> >>>> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other >>>> effects. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> roland >>>> >>>> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... >>>> >>>> >>>> Illustream.ch >>>> Roland Hausheer >>>> Am Wasser 55 >>>> 8049 Zrich >>>> phone 01 340 25 73 >>>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx >>>> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: >>>> >>>>> and for your viewing pleasure: >>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >>>>> >>>>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >>>>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >>>>> kind of thing myself. >>>>> >>>>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >>>>> >>>>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >>>>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know >>>>> rasternoton >>>>> does some really cool synced up stuff. >>>>> >>>>> thanks a million in advance. >>>>> >>>>> drooling graham >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --Boundary_(ID_Q4tfagQjWOb3AL2H/FsRTg)-- From ???@??? 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I do not find it to be in any way ridiculous to willfully ignore the technical trappings of a work. ANY audience can view (and maybe even understand!) a work simply by encountering it, and while there "how'd they do that?" curiosity may be picqued, the answer is not necessary for their enjoyment of the work. GENERALLY, the most communicative parts of a work occur after the technical production - in the viewing, audition, or performance. I'll give that there are many, modern artworks that rely heavily on their technical apparatus (or process) to communicate with an audience. but there is still a necessary narrative that occurs after this, which relies on the exhibition of the work to the audience. THAT is the relevant part of the work. (not to say that production expertise is worthless in relation to artistic or conceptual whatever, rather that our experience of the work contains the most information to be understood and enjoyed) SO - no one is being ridiculous here. please. thanks, ralph, for reminding me of that small chip on my shoulder. I thought I misplaced it! graham, I hope the small technical brief helps you with your work. I agree, it looks like Jitter mapping video to 3-D whatevers. not my specialty, but I recognize it. billy g, bored at work fraufraulein.com On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. > > On 13-Sep-06, at 5:15 AM, steinbrchel wrote: > >> and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... >> ralph. >> >> >> Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter >> <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: >> >>> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other >>> effects. >>> >>> best, >>> roland >>> >>> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... >>> >>> >>> Illustream.ch >>> Roland Hausheer >>> Am Wasser 55 >>> 8049 Zrich >>> phone 01 340 25 73 >>> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx >>> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: >>> >>>> and for your viewing pleasure: >>>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >>>> >>>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >>>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >>>> kind of thing myself. >>>> >>>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >>>> >>>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >>>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know >>>> rasternoton >>>> does some really cool synced up stuff. >>>> >>>> thanks a million in advance. >>>> >>>> drooling graham >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> -- >> http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 17:17:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40113-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64690 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:17:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 64680 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:17:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx checkout: http://www.cooptrol.com/software/cooptrol_software.htm the ENTITY aplication includes 3Dgraphics responding to sound synthesis Hernan > it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other > effects. > > best, > roland > > ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... > > > Illustream.ch > Roland Hausheer > Am Wasser 55 > 8049 Zrich > phone 01 340 25 73 > xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx > Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: > >> and for your viewing pleasure: >> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >> >> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >> kind of thing myself. >> >> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >> >> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know rasternoton >> does some really cool synced up stuff. >> >> thanks a million in advance. >> >> drooling graham >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 17:00:43 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40111-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56543 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:00:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 56532 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:00:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:29 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oyB9qiAKveIEkjREBdU7D7KYfE5k5RfT+jdMP/66aJ9AEUz9re5gnWZS+FFq/XgJ9RvTvW5Qs2cOp1fwqpeQE8sEXUL8xVXclK4P23jzvwcjST+HYk6uB0DZrhWy7h+8gvCNl3TtRIeDIsiDOTxqfkupqrONwis9vohUsq8nzkk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's totally relevant to know how something was made. What if he was just using an example patch? Then the credit might go somewhere else. Coding a visualization completely in C++ is very different than using a Jitter example patch. Of course, most Max/MSP/Jitter users do very creative things with the software that go beyond the out-of-box examples. (And the same goes for Pd+Gem|Gridflow|PiDiP users). ~Kyle On 9/13/06, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. > > On 13-Sep-06, at 5:15 AM, steinbrchel wrote: > > > and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... > > ralph. > > > > > > Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter > > <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: > > > >> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other > >> effects. > >> > >> best, > >> roland > >> > >> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... > >> > >> > >> Illustream.ch > >> Roland Hausheer > >> Am Wasser 55 > >> 8049 Zrich > >> phone 01 340 25 73 > >> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx > >> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: > >> > >>> and for your viewing pleasure: > >>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html > >>> > >>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i > >>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this > >>> kind of thing myself. > >>> > >>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! > >>> > >>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch > >>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know > >>> rasternoton > >>> does some really cool synced up stuff. > >>> > >>> thanks a million in advance. > >>> > >>> drooling graham > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >>> website: http://www.microsound.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > > > -- > > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 17:08:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40112-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60298 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:08:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 60288 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:08:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:33:05 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. On 13-Sep-06, at 5:15 AM, steinbrchel wrote: > and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... > ralph. > > > Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter > <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: > >> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other >> effects. >> >> best, >> roland >> >> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... >> >> >> Illustream.ch >> Roland Hausheer >> Am Wasser 55 >> 8049 Zrich >> phone 01 340 25 73 >> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx >> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: >> >>> and for your viewing pleasure: >>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >>> >>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >>> kind of thing myself. >>> >>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >>> >>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know >>> rasternoton >>> does some really cool synced up stuff. >>> >>> thanks a million in advance. >>> >>> drooling graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 16:33:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40110-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43700 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:33:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 43688 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:33:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:33:05 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. On 13-Sep-06, at 5:15 AM, steinbrchel wrote: > and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... > ralph. > > > Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter > <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: > >> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other >> effects. >> >> best, >> roland >> >> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... >> >> >> Illustream.ch >> Roland Hausheer >> Am Wasser 55 >> 8049 Zrich >> phone 01 340 25 73 >> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx >> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: >> >>> and for your viewing pleasure: >>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >>> >>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >>> kind of thing myself. >>> >>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >>> >>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know >>> rasternoton >>> does some really cool synced up stuff. >>> >>> thanks a million in advance. >>> >>> drooling graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 09:23:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40109-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57961 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:23:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 57951 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:23:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:23:56 +0200 From: Roland Hausheer <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it's sometimes good to know from where to start...don't be so strict, ralphi ; ) love roland Am 13.09.2006 um 11:15 schrieb steinbrchel: > and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... > ralph. > > > Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter > <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: > >> it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other >> effects. >> >> best, >> roland >> >> ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... >> >> >> Illustream.ch >> Roland Hausheer >> Am Wasser 55 >> 8049 Zrich >> phone 01 340 25 73 >> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx >> Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: >> >>> and for your viewing pleasure: >>> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >>> >>> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >>> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >>> kind of thing myself. >>> >>> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >>> >>> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >>> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know rasternoton >>> does some really cool synced up stuff. >>> >>> thanks a million in advance. >>> >>> drooling graham >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > -- > http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 09:15:09 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40108-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55623 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:15:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 55601 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:15:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:15:27 +0200 From: steinbr=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=chel <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C12D98CF.310F%xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa Thread-index: AcbXFSawZTTqCEMIEduKugARJHLkrA== X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx and i think it's really not relevant how something is made... ralph. Am 13.9.2006 11:12 Uhr schrieb "Roland Hausheer" unter <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx>: > it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other > effects. > > best, > roland > > ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... > > > Illustream.ch > Roland Hausheer > Am Wasser 55 > 8049 Zrich > phone 01 340 25 73 > xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx > Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: > >> and for your viewing pleasure: >> http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html >> >> this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i >> want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this >> kind of thing myself. >> >> any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! >> >> this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch >> microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know rasternoton >> does some really cool synced up stuff. >> >> thanks a million in advance. >> >> drooling graham >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- http://www.synchron.ch .:.::.:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 09:11:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40107-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54034 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:11:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 54015 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:11:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:12:13 +0200 From: Roland Hausheer <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it's MAX/MSP Jitter, mostly mapping movies on 3d objects and other effects. best, roland ps: I think the copynature DVD is better... Illustream.ch Roland Hausheer Am Wasser 55 8049 Zrich phone 01 340 25 73 xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx Am 13.09.2006 um 06:36 schrieb Graham Miller: > and for your viewing pleasure: > http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/readdvdsample/readmov.html > > this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i > want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this > kind of thing myself. > > any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! > > this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch > microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know rasternoton > does some really cool synced up stuff. > > thanks a million in advance. > > drooling graham > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 08:13:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40106-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38713 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:13:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 38703 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:13:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] IanniX_0613 beta version: binaries for MacOS now available In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> To: Steffen <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, p0a <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_E1aQmB0W+espjsx9ZkiG2A)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ek/20fP+xDkPdrwROXAOAgLqJJxk0z6ZkiHBm+dU9+oXaUK3ByUIthUK74Tlfg9FeQ6tjVSN/thfdkHX/Uz0pIVgrdTNnmgH80oMWxJB2qfO8UfaRGa6Pt6qBES3VSqgSdFfNdPDM68TOwoWkJt+t2v+NW63RDTYbUDZSNygT0w= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_E1aQmB0W+espjsx9ZkiG2A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi no it's no newbie question! there is a draft of the tutorial i have started to write here http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iannix/ and we intend to do some demo patches for puredata, but as this project is still in beta version it won't be out before a few days or weeks... hope this helps, cyrill Steffen <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> wrote: Hej Cyrill, On 11/09/2006, at 17.40, Cyrill wrote: > Please enjoy and experiment with them, and do not hesitate to > report us any bug. I'm sorry, but i have no idea how to use this application. Can you supply a sample score? I can tell from the interface, that tutorials are in the making (in some way), so i guess i just have to wait. However, i'd very much like to try it out, and help finding bugs and the like. I don't hope i sound to noob. Thanks in advance. Steffen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_E1aQmB0W+espjsx9ZkiG2A)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 04:36:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40105-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57343 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:36:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 57278 invoked from network); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:36:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:36:32 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] secrets needed: ryoichi kurokawa To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx and for your viewing pleasure: http://homepage.mac.com/etrerk/ readdvdsample/readmov.html this blew me away at mutek. one of the best act of the festival. i want to learn how this was done and how i might be able to do this kind of thing myself. any guesses on the software used for this? i must know! this is the shit as far linking visuals to experiment glitch microsound techno or whatever you want to call it. i know rasternoton does some really cool synced up stuff. thanks a million in advance. drooling graham --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 11 15:40:40 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40104-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84838 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:40:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 84827 invoked from network); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:40:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyrill <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] IanniX_0613 beta version: binaries for MacOS now available To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zPbk8msqyJoYeiO91Ey2eQ)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GhaBEi7O1Qs3MAo5CDcVatV9OuhJV2bQ9hJ/3ESowOzpBuKhyaM/o4U+AGKNsUdaW0GN7753nMAhM62lMsLexUMWoljx7s1ZOUV3qcP4sEwKD1AEwbTqnxzvpypivptePA56lpMAp00LclUTKgWP2sOn9UfIx4nnqUsrMW2MiFw= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_zPbk8msqyJoYeiO91Ey2eQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey there Microsounders, This mail to let you know that two binaries for MAcOSX have been uploaded to sourceforge.net, one for PowerPC and another one for Intel-based machines, both statically linked against Qt4, so there is no need anymore to install the Qt libraries. Please enjoy and experiment with them, and do not hesitate to report us any bug. You can find these files at the followind address: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402 . The IanniX Team. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. --Boundary_(ID_zPbk8msqyJoYeiO91Ey2eQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 23:15:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40103-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88714 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:15:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 88696 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:15:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:15:11 -0300 From: Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: group idea catalog In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PQdlPXwk+Gzz8BNTVnD30w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CHz/C70pFAF2/HKBaux4udFr59p6pgYhrI+mcf+s+xs/ivatHFgYad95uTZ7I85j9te8H+bR2leqttFc+nT6IPY0K16zvydAd60vD6sguwioDfViIr+GjzbU5dVlnEY6OFGRaPBYu0594jfAUt6zLoXSVn1szrgi8nd1mpsw52s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_PQdlPXwk+Gzz8BNTVnD30w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 6 3 is always a composition of 2. yes, indeed, as i (don't) undestand, it is a kind of hyperlink. but it would be direct, in the same computer environment as you write emails. or not if you build a easy access app to all members. _And_ it is dedicated to ideas related to why the authors are in the discussion group. not emails like i am writing now. strangelly, it makes sense to me, maybe the city pollution, heavy metals. 2006/9/9, Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>: > > 0.a |- all_X all_Y (X=Y <=> all_z (z_in_X <=> z_in_Y)) > .b |- some_X all_x (~(x_in_X)) > .c |- all_x some_Y all_z (z_in_Y <=> z = x) > .d |- all_x all_y all_Z all_w (w_in_Z <=> w = x OR w = y) > ... > > More seriously, isn't this what hyperlinks are for? Possibly of the sort > pointing at a wiki? The computer is at the disposal of every > .microsounder., offering librarian drudgery as automation. If any > attachment remains to the numberhood of the identifiers, it might be > remembered that the automatic librarian knows no words, only numbers named > 'bit.' > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Renato Fabbri wrote: > > > 3 You can just reply and put the number. names for wrong numbers will > > appear. > > > > 4 can it be? too ridiculous? > > > > 5 you see, it is a catalog, but there is no act of organizing in form > of a > > catalogue, just of putting ideas on media. the signature is in the reply > > heading. 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Sat Sep 9 22:50:48 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40102-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80709 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:50:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 80695 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:50:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:47:55 -0400 From: Michael North <xxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] for those of us stuck with windows-vista audio To: Microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000201c6d461$fd5721e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here's a link http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=713073 to a posting about what's coming in windows vista audio processing mnorth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 06:20:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40101-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47104 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:04:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 40258 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:00:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:00:10 +0800 From: cheewai <xx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] long player In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr25.sgdns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ferretlabs.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx on the topic of this longplayer project, it brings to mind a neitzschean quote i read ages ago and had to scour through billows of pages to locate... something to think about, maybe... Not every end is the goal. The end of a melody is not its goal; and yet: as long as the melody has not reached its end, it also hasn't reached its goal. A parable. The wanderer and his shadow - Friedrich Nietzsche. Aphorism 204. warmly, cheewai. On 09-Sep-06, at AM 12:35, aleks vasic wrote: > http://longplayer.org/ > > Pretty neat. Thats one track that you will never get to finish. > > > aLEKs > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 06:14:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40100-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2421 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:00:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 24698 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:39:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:39:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: group idea catalog In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_B8Bdco4E2qnXKjG3FlnhBQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_B8Bdco4E2qnXKjG3FlnhBQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 0.a |- all_X all_Y (X=Y <=> all_z (z_in_X <=> z_in_Y)) .b |- some_X all_x (~(x_in_X)) .c |- all_x some_Y all_z (z_in_Y <=> z = x) .d |- all_x all_y all_Z all_w (w_in_Z <=> w = x OR w = y) ... More seriously, isn't this what hyperlinks are for? Possibly of the sort pointing at a wiki? The computer is at the disposal of every ..microsounder., offering librarian drudgery as automation. If any attachment remains to the numberhood of the identifiers, it might be remembered that the automatic librarian knows no words, only numbers named 'bit.' On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Renato Fabbri wrote: > 3 You can just reply and put the number. names for wrong numbers will > appear. > > 4 can it be? too ridiculous? > > 5 you see, it is a catalog, but there is no act of organizing in form of a > catalogue, just of putting ideas on media. the signature is in the reply > heading. Be it or not, in peace \/ *snip* -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --Boundary_(ID_B8Bdco4E2qnXKjG3FlnhBQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_B8Bdco4E2qnXKjG3FlnhBQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 06:14:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40099-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99248 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:54:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 21423 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:37:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:37:30 -0300 From: Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_l6jl04BjeV3azo00c62RMA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eWs4p6GfqiN3kD38QgN3Wdz2EMmr0D6qk0ZQOx1a/IC0LeFhnWh3LuT9DAnlbL9umtVXxwgAmYu3O3xDZq6KS5/qorTY16knXma5AkWiEEHESQn956E1vqaDZpX90g1tsIUchO39G2sf/iDh5wjDW08yL1oyy4CzV5cSVzhvoa8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_l6jl04BjeV3azo00c62RMA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the sense of present is like 600 ms. that's a cultural time sense like hours, days and all (ex. roads, microsound), or like involuntary reaction. we are, indeed, the "culture out there that has a kind of rhizomatic perception of time". just a remembrance. and language, comunication, that is a time sense as instinct, is structured with that behavior. when you focus on everything as one you extrapolate the mundane mental structure. fragmentation is a human way of thinkig, maybe the "standard". hindus use this "focus in one" to see the stars. we too. 2006/9/9, Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > > ----Title > > Body > > Author > > > -----Passar 2 Dependendo > > D- > mais > > O tal foram > > Tlvez Lo-Urlofrotto > > > > > > > > > Lozogo Frezebo > > F- > rutilli > L- > olo froto > > Tlvez Lo-Urlofrotto > > > > > 2006/9/8, Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>: > > > Consider taking a good look at "linear." > > > > An english speaking obersver of a language odered as subject-object-verb > > will find the observed language mixed up, or jumbled. Or consider the > > joke, 'An american businessperson is in germany, communicating through a > > > > translator's intermediacy. During a german presentation, the translator > > suddenly falls silent, and stays silent for several minutes. The > > businessperson asks why the silence, the translator repies, "I'm waiting > > > > for the verb.'" > > > > For some concrete examples, in tibetan, a language structured as > > subject-object-verb, there is (excuse the nonstandard phoneme > > representation) (and the likely errors) > > > > Nge | p'oe-ke | sung-gi-me. > > By Me |tibetan language| speak not am => I do not speak tibetan > > > > khe-sa| yong-khen| mi t'e| khyoe-re| thong| ch'ung-nge? > > Yesterday| One who comes| man that| by you| observe| > > (perfect indicative)(interrogative > > part.)? > > => > > Did you see the man who came yesterday? > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, { brad brace } wrote: > > > > > > > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > > > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > > > > > /:b > > > > -- > > Dear Patron Saint, > > your lips are lopsided > > www.devo.com/exegene > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --Boundary_(ID_l6jl04BjeV3azo00c62RMA)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 06:06:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40098-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79905 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:32:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 8299 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:28:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:28:41 -0300 From: Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JLV+Eqf9Klw6OLufyRJ1Zg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CdsiOw7hSWNWiCQkPoqXiUTaq62HY8MBTAhCLThP2jhL9gosscOfyruaIZQucd7D5mOeeVgYVxzkaoA+3+tMT7QLZy54vA59kpH9qpPGKUNeCTOcxAeRD8bHx4/XwC7h0ntoyX8AvvzFYH9+/tNOrVeh/qSjcFE4q3zt2tDTpOg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_JLV+Eqf9Klw6OLufyRJ1Zg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----Title Body Author -----Passar 2 Dependendo D- mais O tal foram Tlvez Lo-Urlofrotto Lozogo Frezebo F- rutilli L- olo froto Tlvez Lo-Urlofrotto 2006/9/8, Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>: > > Consider taking a good look at "linear." > > An english speaking obersver of a language odered as subject-object-verb > will find the observed language mixed up, or jumbled. Or consider the > joke, 'An american businessperson is in germany, communicating through a > translator's intermediacy. During a german presentation, the translator > suddenly falls silent, and stays silent for several minutes. The > businessperson asks why the silence, the translator repies, "I'm waiting > for the verb.'" > > For some concrete examples, in tibetan, a language structured as > subject-object-verb, there is (excuse the nonstandard phoneme > representation) (and the likely errors) > > Nge | p'oe-ke | sung-gi-me. > By Me |tibetan language| speak not am => I do not speak tibetan > > khe-sa| yong-khen| mi t'e| khyoe-re| thong| ch'ung-nge? > Yesterday| One who comes| man that| by you| observe| > (perfect indicative)(interrogative > part.)? > => > Did you see the man who came yesterday? > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, { brad brace } wrote: > > > > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > > > /:b > > -- > Dear Patron Saint, > your lips are lopsided > www.devo.com/exegene > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_JLV+Eqf9Klw6OLufyRJ1Zg)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 02:46:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40097-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54838 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:46:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 54828 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:46:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:46:07 -0300 From: Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: group idea catalog In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DxD1RQo9C0b23hvk8lZ6SQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HlObFJ47zz2xLmmRs3Nk4Oq9fGLWrwcgKDlE81QYOiHR35AOlRpkSa7t1vnzkXpoyLILwjCpys3owL/3dOOjfqQOd99HAOIA0zIgC38mjy78p+fblDS+CewzmDCOER5dGZr1ZUcUykdD8n5AuGZ0CUv+zMCyNrOF7FbWo/eRV2w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_DxD1RQo9C0b23hvk8lZ6SQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 3 You can just reply and put the number. names for wrong numbers will appear. 4 can it be? too ridiculous? 5 you see, it is a catalog, but there is no act of organizing in form of a catalogue, just of putting ideas on media. the signature is in the reply heading. Be it or not, in peace \/ 2006/9/8, Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > > 1 maybe a mailing group can have a common list of ideas, that can be > refered as a numer. direct catalog, in text about what are thing in mind, > not for someone, but pertinent. > > 2 to the disscussion group. of course. > --Boundary_(ID_DxD1RQo9C0b23hvk8lZ6SQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Sep 9 02:41:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40096-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52120 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:41:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 52110 invoked from network); Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:41:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:41:11 -0300 From: Renato Fabbri <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] group idea catalog To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tJEUZFjjUa/jYY4FbRVIgQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IcUS9uaVia6wxAjfMt5WZOlP/Avn12Zpwze3C6pCGQIPRpGVLC4fay7ggfCYScYLzF8r3WQxQFs08agAZyfG3P4QKQi02rX6owJUVA0vxYXnGnYVMtW875fjakGYAHibc8szhF6692OZwv9ZFjhOFU9sf+cOMyGfH4X73UPrKh0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_tJEUZFjjUa/jYY4FbRVIgQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1 maybe a mailing group can have a common list of ideas, that can be refered as a numer. direct catalog, in text about what are thing in mind, not for someone, but pertinent. 2 to the disscussion group. of course. --Boundary_(ID_tJEUZFjjUa/jYY4FbRVIgQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 23:14:04 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40095-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92198 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:12:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 92188 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:12:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:12:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Exegene <xxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devo.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Consider taking a good look at "linear." An english speaking obersver of a language odered as subject-object-verb will find the observed language mixed up, or jumbled. Or consider the joke, 'An american businessperson is in germany, communicating through a translator's intermediacy. During a german presentation, the translator suddenly falls silent, and stays silent for several minutes. The businessperson asks why the silence, the translator repies, "I'm waiting for the verb.'" For some concrete examples, in tibetan, a language structured as subject-object-verb, there is (excuse the nonstandard phoneme representation) (and the likely errors) Nge | p'oe-ke | sung-gi-me. By Me |tibetan language| speak not am => I do not speak tibetan khe-sa| yong-khen| mi t'e| khyoe-re| thong| ch'ung-nge? Yesterday| One who comes| man that| by you| observe| (perfect indicative)(interrogative part.)? => Did you see the man who came yesterday? On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, { brad brace } wrote: > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > /:b -- Dear Patron Saint, your lips are lopsided www.devo.com/exegene --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 16:35:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40094-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43777 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:35:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 43762 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:35:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:35:26 -0400 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] long player In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://longplayer.org/ Pretty neat. Thats one track that you will never get to finish. aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 15:45:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40093-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19349 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:45:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 19337 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:45:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_M1FzFNLDTkjXHkwcjCPlEA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ACJjTbzHIefbryS2xXBizc5Hfq+W5i42e0k7MyQIdXxWJisVA1jwTmvOoby0WNquXUnu6ahR71i84ZzfV6KfJQeXXgoMuxVKnYqcKK3J+7iSNVi/xP6CTmA4SEbQKEQPqbxwnic3myu7lp36dHG7aFstDYgNIon/FBKGXj23J+A= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_M1FzFNLDTkjXHkwcjCPlEA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had interesting results setting sequencers to prime numbers. Peter www.peterlasell.net --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --Boundary_(ID_M1FzFNLDTkjXHkwcjCPlEA)-- From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 14:04:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40092-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85796 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:04:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 85786 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:04:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah youre right, no different time signatures in this case. Just different tempos. But still very difficult to play live, and I think they do. > that's me again by the way, I keep sending it from my other email > address!! > Tony > > On 9/8/06, john clarity <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Hi Hernan, >> >> Again, I'd ask whether it's different time signatures or not... it >> might be a perception of it, but it's only a perception. It's all due >> to the "process" which creates the music. The musicians (or was this >> one made with tapes?) don't consider it or create it by thinking of >> different time signatures, only of one being ever so slightly faster >> than the other, so that their patterns phase. >> >> >> On 9/8/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> > Another good example of musicians playing different time signatures >> and >> > tempos is Steve Reich's "Violin Phase". The Kronos Quartet version is >> > incredible. I wish I had the opportunity to see this piece live. I >> wonder >> > how can the violin players isolate themselves from what the others are >> > playing. >> > Still waiting for more examples like these in electronic music... >> > >> > Hernan >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi Martin, >> > > >> > > I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say >> there's >> > > no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my >> > > thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the >> > > patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple >> > > "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites >> > > them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, >> > > which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to >> one >> > > another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find >> > > it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other >> one >> > > too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that >> > > holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the >> idea >> > > of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective >> > > pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To >> link >> > > all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the >> > > foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall >> > > pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it >> is >> > > the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the >> > > components. >> > > >> > > >> > > What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early >> > > ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part >> > > had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were >> > > happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The >> > > answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but >> > > actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned >> above >> > > and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one >> another >> > > that you mention, which I left out last time! >> > > >> > > One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana >> > > before writing his book made the very good point >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 11:25:15 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40091-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42383 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:24:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 42281 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:24:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:24:49 +0100 From: tony higgins <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AhqWLqunYVL2qjTMyZjGYlW76Wlr1UCaCyYgReQ4jnZxgIXbTp6p21QOXx6PeSyU5lF6j7R3tP67HmV+a6f8HaZS3d9bkXAZ8HC4bVEVxwBWcle6yaWJdMYNF9NevKdFrt2N59WoFk1UI/m4tXKonuzYrqk23bcjRFDZln1Q7FE= X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9222db000ade0a37 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that's me again by the way, I keep sending it from my other email address!! Tony On 9/8/06, john clarity <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi Hernan, > > Again, I'd ask whether it's different time signatures or not... it > might be a perception of it, but it's only a perception. It's all due > to the "process" which creates the music. The musicians (or was this > one made with tapes?) don't consider it or create it by thinking of > different time signatures, only of one being ever so slightly faster > than the other, so that their patterns phase. > > > On 9/8/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Another good example of musicians playing different time signatures and > > tempos is Steve Reich's "Violin Phase". The Kronos Quartet version is > > incredible. I wish I had the opportunity to see this piece live. I wonder > > how can the violin players isolate themselves from what the others are > > playing. > > Still waiting for more examples like these in electronic music... > > > > Hernan > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say there's > > > no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my > > > thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the > > > patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple > > > "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites > > > them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, > > > which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to one > > > another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find > > > it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other one > > > too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that > > > holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the idea > > > of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective > > > pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To link > > > all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the > > > foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall > > > pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it is > > > the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the > > > components. > > > > > > > > > What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early > > > ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part > > > had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were > > > happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The > > > answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but > > > actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned above > > > and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one another > > > that you mention, which I left out last time! > > > > > > One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana > > > before writing his book made the very good point > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 11:25:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40090-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42131 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:24:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 42117 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:24:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:24:49 +0100 From: tony higgins <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tcmRA0zC2fniGrxHnFVXyZtkD5sL5/X4AP3cRS4DMZLqF735xZQY2CRrd0dhdj160wANPdrFelwzc5cVNJFbyq9VKqbCnpK3cXYuwc3uw5RYav2AGDK5LIZwXO9W7HEkEuKDwLphkAQ/cz80NJUKNXUDbkFjGGXg+GDZdprC8Yk= X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9222db000ade0a37 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx that's me again by the way, I keep sending it from my other email address!! Tony On 9/8/06, john clarity <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hi Hernan, > > Again, I'd ask whether it's different time signatures or not... it > might be a perception of it, but it's only a perception. It's all due > to the "process" which creates the music. The musicians (or was this > one made with tapes?) don't consider it or create it by thinking of > different time signatures, only of one being ever so slightly faster > than the other, so that their patterns phase. > > > On 9/8/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Another good example of musicians playing different time signatures and > > tempos is Steve Reich's "Violin Phase". The Kronos Quartet version is > > incredible. I wish I had the opportunity to see this piece live. I wonder > > how can the violin players isolate themselves from what the others are > > playing. > > Still waiting for more examples like these in electronic music... > > > > Hernan > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say there's > > > no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my > > > thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the > > > patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple > > > "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites > > > them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, > > > which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to one > > > another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find > > > it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other one > > > too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that > > > holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the idea > > > of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective > > > pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To link > > > all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the > > > foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall > > > pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it is > > > the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the > > > components. > > > > > > > > > What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early > > > ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part > > > had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were > > > happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The > > > answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but > > > actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned above > > > and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one another > > > that you mention, which I left out last time! > > > > > > One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana > > > before writing his book made the very good point > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 11:23:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40089-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40975 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:23:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 40963 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:23:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:23:43 +0100 From: john clarity <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d+fBy9jOcZc0h0rctWxj3jNAnOi45z8CDN00csjera+c0mOKWK1B5ejjNR/k8FKhHOFgUzD0K2aoD5xP3MaFFBwXqigFzAGY7zBwqKKUVnSnLilun3dSJTK6KnnhZhzdkPbTquZr6suP+sXYWq86WAi8Je+IFDqDt/UyZIHf8RA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Hernan, Again, I'd ask whether it's different time signatures or not... it might be a perception of it, but it's only a perception. It's all due to the "process" which creates the music. The musicians (or was this one made with tapes?) don't consider it or create it by thinking of different time signatures, only of one being ever so slightly faster than the other, so that their patterns phase. On 9/8/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Another good example of musicians playing different time signatures and > tempos is Steve Reich's "Violin Phase". The Kronos Quartet version is > incredible. I wish I had the opportunity to see this piece live. I wonder > how can the violin players isolate themselves from what the others are > playing. > Still waiting for more examples like these in electronic music... > > Hernan > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say there's > > no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my > > thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the > > patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple > > "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites > > them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, > > which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to one > > another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find > > it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other one > > too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that > > holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the idea > > of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective > > pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To link > > all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the > > foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall > > pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it is > > the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the > > components. > > > > > > What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early > > ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part > > had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were > > happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The > > answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but > > actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned above > > and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one another > > that you mention, which I left out last time! > > > > One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana > > before writing his book made the very good point > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Fri Sep 8 07:05:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40088-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61557 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:05:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 61545 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:05:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:05:11 +0200 From: Martin Slawig <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C126E2C7.8D65%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR Thread-index: AcbTFR/sXmzeFD8IEduuwgAKla5hGg== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Tony, Now it is more clear for me what you mean and i agree to that. When i started playing in togo years ago i had at first hard times to understand this way of learning and playing (and dancing to that stuff although it's in 4/4 or 6/8, but hard to discover the basic) Best martin Am 07.09.2006 22:05 Uhr schrieb "tony higgins" unter <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > Hi Martin, > > I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say there's > no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my > thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the > patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple > "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites > them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, > which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to one > another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find > it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other one > too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that > holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the idea > of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective > pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To link > all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the > foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall > pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it is > the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the > components. > > > What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early > ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part > had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were > happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The > answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but > actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned above > and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one another > that you mention, which I left out last time! > > One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana > before writing his book made the very good point that most African > music is, as you say, in 4/4 or 6/8, because 7 is hard to dance to! ;) > > Tony > > > > > On 9/7/06, Martin Slawig <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >> Am 07.09.2006 19:51 Uhr schrieb "tony higgins" unter >> <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: >> >> >>> But... on those two quotes above: "combining completely different >>> track"[with different "meters"] is exactly how the majority of African >>> music works, from what I've discovered during my research. The ability >>> to do this arises out of the fact that there's no such thing as time >>> signatures or meters in traditional African music - all that matters >>> is the pulse. >> >> Hi Tony and sorry, but I cannot agree to that! >> From my experiences as a percussionist playing west african and afro cuban >> rhythms (which came originaly mostly from yoruba people/ nigeria, benin, >> congo) i say that there is a really strong feeling of time structure in west >> african music ( and I would say in most of african music). It is different >> from our european based structure, and it is a lot more than only pulse. >> Every rhythm i know to play and i listened to is structured by a basic >> pattern, which can often be heared as a bell pattern or pattern of a >> supporting drum, sometime nobody is playing it but every drummer nows where >> it is. >> Most common and well known is this >> +--+--+---+-+--- in 4/4 or >> +-+-+--+-+-- in 6/8 rhythms. >> Every drummer is orientating on this timeline with his own pattern which do >> not start on our '1' but on a fixed point at this basic pattern. You don't >> play so much whith the beat but more with phrases connected to the basic >> pattern, but take care, if you start your phrase on a different point you >> will be cicked out of the band emediately. >> >> Best >> Martin >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 06:57:19 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40087-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58180 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:57:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 58167 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:57:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:57:06 +0200 From: Martin Slawig <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C126E0E2.8D62%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR Thread-index: AcbTE/7XPaGBaj8HEduuwgAKla5hGg== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There is structure, but generally beyond our inmediate > understanding as western listeners. > > That is the point. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 8 04:19:37 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40086-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18044 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:19:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 18034 invoked from network); Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:19:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Another good example of musicians playing different time signatures and tempos is Steve Reich's "Violin Phase". The Kronos Quartet version is incredible. I wish I had the opportunity to see this piece live. I wonder how can the violin players isolate themselves from what the others are playing. Still waiting for more examples like these in electronic music... Hernan > Hi Martin, > > I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say there's > no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my > thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the > patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple > "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites > them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, > which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to one > another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find > it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other one > too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that > holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the idea > of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective > pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To link > all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the > foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall > pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it is > the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the > components. > > > What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early > ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part > had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were > happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The > answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but > actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned above > and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one another > that you mention, which I left out last time! > > One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana > before writing his book made the very good point --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 21:00:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40085-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64413 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:00:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 64402 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:00:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:00:12 +0200 (CEST) From: xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] Jacqueline @ Diapason nyc - Jacqueline @ monkeytownhq nyc To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ircam.fr X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sorry for the spam... 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Thu Sep 7 20:05:45 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40084-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36745 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:05:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 36734 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:05:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:05:18 +0100 From: tony higgins <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=uFfOtP1kkF26Vo9olJP+lO/ffWLy8EgpRu7Rzu1I9jxPWuH/qwqSgOowG+3Cvn0UYcH4HGkWJjrjcuOq1Mn9emiX3j/IIHgdRIHGqJY0GD+ZMZU/uPjj4hWWWd81RexAyRCgZ6Zceorgw6P9jRTZ1qY8R85FbZgNxrBStEm/hZk= X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70ff69313666bd35 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Martin, I don't dispute for a second what you're saying. I didn't say there's no such thing as structure, just time signatures. It's all in my thesis too!! What the author of that book proposes is that the patterns do come together, and can be layered in multiple "time-signatures", because of a basic underlying pulse which unites them all. (The other structural aspect which he also acknowledges, which you mention, is that the patterns are learned in relation to one another - one pattern defines another. Also that many musicians find it hard to play one pattern without having someone play the other one too).What you say about a pattern that every drummer knows and that holds it together, even if it's not being played, is exactly the idea of the "Metronomic sense", that the musician requires a subjective pattern or pulse underlying the ones that are actually played. To link all of the last few posts beautifully together, Ligeti writes in the foreword of that very book I'm referencing now that the overall pattern is not actually played by any one individual musician - it is the combinations that give a subjective super-pattern from the components. What I'm talking about, I suppose, is the impression that many early ethnomusicologists got that they perceived that each individual part had its own time signature, and that all of the time signatures were happening at the same time. Which they couldn't understand. The answer, I hope you'll agree, is not multiple time signatures, but actually a combination of the subjective pulse which I mentioned above and the understanding of the relationships of patterns to one another that you mention, which I left out last time! One of the other authors who had studied for many years in Ghana before writing his book made the very good point that most African music is, as you say, in 4/4 or 6/8, because 7 is hard to dance to! ;) Tony On 9/7/06, Martin Slawig <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > Am 07.09.2006 19:51 Uhr schrieb "tony higgins" unter > <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > > > > But... on those two quotes above: "combining completely different > > track"[with different "meters"] is exactly how the majority of African > > music works, from what I've discovered during my research. The ability > > to do this arises out of the fact that there's no such thing as time > > signatures or meters in traditional African music - all that matters > > is the pulse. > > Hi Tony and sorry, but I cannot agree to that! > From my experiences as a percussionist playing west african and afro cuban > rhythms (which came originaly mostly from yoruba people/ nigeria, benin, > congo) i say that there is a really strong feeling of time structure in west > african music ( and I would say in most of african music). It is different > from our european based structure, and it is a lot more than only pulse. > Every rhythm i know to play and i listened to is structured by a basic > pattern, which can often be heared as a bell pattern or pattern of a > supporting drum, sometime nobody is playing it but every drummer nows where > it is. > Most common and well known is this > +--+--+---+-+--- in 4/4 or > +-+-+--+-+-- in 6/8 rhythms. > Every drummer is orientating on this timeline with his own pattern which do > not start on our '1' but on a fixed point at this basic pattern. You don't > play so much whith the beat but more with phrases connected to the basic > pattern, but take care, if you start your phrase on a different point you > will be cicked out of the band emediately. > > Best > Martin > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 19:55:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40083-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29315 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:55:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 29291 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:55:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > Every rhythm i know to play and i listened to is structured by a basic > pattern, which can often be heared as a bell pattern or pattern of a > supporting drum, sometime nobody is playing it but every drummer nows > where > it is. I think what you're talking about is "clave". Im pretty sure the "clave" is a consequence of westernization of african music. As african rythms were adopted by western society they were systematized and structured. The different claves were developed in an attempt to systematize different afro-latin rythms. It is most probable that black slaves themselves started playing more structured rythms as they were influenced by the "civilization" they were inscripted in. If you listen to really primitive african music from non-western-influenced tribes, you will find there's no clave at all. There is structure, but generally beyond our inmediate understanding as western listeners. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 19:29:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40082-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17364 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:29:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 17352 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:29:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:29:30 +0200 From: Martin Slawig <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1263FBA.8D13%xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR Thread-index: AcbSs/BZLy0XTT6nEdu/xgAKla5hGg== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Am 07.09.2006 19:51 Uhr schrieb "tony higgins" unter <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > But... on those two quotes above: "combining completely different > track"[with different "meters"] is exactly how the majority of African > music works, from what I've discovered during my research. The ability > to do this arises out of the fact that there's no such thing as time > signatures or meters in traditional African music - all that matters > is the pulse. Hi Tony and sorry, but I cannot agree to that! From my experiences as a percussionist playing west african and afro cuban rhythms (which came originaly mostly from yoruba people/ nigeria, benin, congo) i say that there is a really strong feeling of time structure in west african music ( and I would say in most of african music). It is different from our european based structure, and it is a lot more than only pulse. Every rhythm i know to play and i listened to is structured by a basic pattern, which can often be heared as a bell pattern or pattern of a supporting drum, sometime nobody is playing it but every drummer nows where it is. Most common and well known is this +--+--+---+-+--- in 4/4 or +-+-+--+-+-- in 6/8 rhythms. Every drummer is orientating on this timeline with his own pattern which do not start on our '1' but on a fixed point at this basic pattern. You don't play so much whith the beat but more with phrases connected to the basic pattern, but take care, if you start your phrase on a different point you will be cicked out of the band emediately. Best Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 19:21:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40081-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12249 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:21:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 12135 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:20:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I've just completed my Masters in Music Technology, and for the > composition I did for the thesis (for drum kit and tape), I studied a > lot of African music as I'm a jazz drummer and wanted to explore the > links between them. Also a healthy electronic and IDM influence on my > thesis too ;). I'm a drummer too and have been interested in polyrythms ever since I started drumming 20 years ago. I have dug mostly heavy metal drumming like band Meshuggah from Sweden. They explore intensely perceptive disruptions in rythm and harmony, and even academical thesis have been written about them. As I was born in South Africa I have also been into tribal rythms. For example music from Ghana (I have some incredible recordings from 1978). Here in latin america we have intrincate rythmical expressions too, like candombe and murga (from my country Uruguay). Talking about electronic music, there are pretty few examples of non-steady rythms that really keep the groove going on. Most people tend to ambient and sounscaping when they pursue other rythmical possibilities. Thats why Im asking if someone knows e.m. examples other than Autechre. > But... on those two quotes above: "combining completely different > track"[with different "meters"] is exactly how the majority of African > music works, from what I've discovered during my research. The ability > to do this arises out of the fact that there's no such thing as time > signatures or meters in traditional African music - all that matters > is the pulse. > > Apparently, this was the same in Europe until the 16th century. It was > known as Tactus, which referred to the bending of a finger to indicate > a beat. No [1,2,3,4] or [1,2,3], only [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1......]. > > This definately got me thinking as regards IDM, those kind of moments > described in the quotes and also the moments where time seems to > breakdown completely yet still flow. I would be pretty convinced that > the reason that time can be booted around the place and totally > distorted, yet sound good, is the maintainence of pulse. As you say, > it's not a "real" disruption of linearity, and the constant feeling of > the subjective pulse is the reason I propose why. I haven't checked it > out yet (I'm recording the live drum part this evening to hand up > tomorrow!) but I will! > > Tony > > > > On 9/7/06, a z <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> http://www.ubu.com/film/ligeti.html >> >> { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Gyorgy Ligeti: Poeme Symphonique for 100 Metronomes >> >> (see/hear it on youtube) >> >> /:b >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 19:07:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40080-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5468 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:07:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 5433 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:07:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Gyorgy Ligeti: Poeme Symphonique for 100 Metronomes > > (see/hear it on youtube) > > /:b > I've seen it. Thats what Im talking about with virtual non-linear. Hernan > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 19:07:10 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40079-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4514 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:06:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 4499 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:06:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > Gyorgy Ligeti: Poeme Symphonique for 100 Metronomes > > (see/hear it on youtube) > > /:b > I've seen it. Thats what Im talking about with virtual non-linear. Hernan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 17:55:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40078-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50856 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:55:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 50838 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:55:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:55:31 +0100 From: tony higgins <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HdO9G7xCdNnAWphepeBMoRb4W0p9j/ZzJhTrxRNiXya+ed4Tjx74RS2H3FSC0owCKsdN0y8P9Guvf0PBSHUsjXrcTdyMTzPdFo9SrcUhgOPQR599uKnO5JvPNy5iHU7gqOwsKYJSFPMVQEd0PoeJQgGyp1raNDPJRWimfOKILGA= X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8ed3b9e6aa492e49 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx By the way, the best book I found on the subject was: Simha Aron (1991), "African Polyphony and Polyrhythm", Cambridge University Press There's a concept from Richard Waterman called "Metronomic time" which is the centre of all of the above. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 17:54:42 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40077-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49648 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:54:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 49633 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:54:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:54:14 +0100 From: john clarity <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cMy0wt8geLuetY2Dmsrn5Cu2LcJdaJTUKD1opvvJZaaBIVvyHBbNi69Oe7nFWnYpn9dpNIxZiJDTk3m5iMNV479SpoijHcih2oBvbNwoC159bQkTi8EfAMRxMa+Ktgfrp1/sq5oJTym47Nc2wXTlmIi1APJPgk/ja7TDvPZYVyo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx By the way, the best book I found on the subject was: Simha Aron (1991), "African Polyphony and Polyrhythm", Cambridge University Press There's a concept from Richard Waterman called "Metronomic time" which is the centre of all of the above. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 17:51:50 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40076-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47064 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:51:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 46981 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:51:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:51:23 +0100 From: tony higgins <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=j1M7fMkqnNWuWP/0GIeLKGfw/c0t6ZOiZj1mmY1OwGFnsaGNTS9ywfk6KfsfLZpELjmBD9D9Ec/SoX9/29xp9gSCD0jTK9Zf+vJi+FVUf70dcJ6NwMIMMufKTjy77/3qHbnaXvrgwZVE4lX/GXbisVXalH7rBW5a65ysAFLFg7w= X-Google-Sender-Auth: af3fdf7a6352257f X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ********************** What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that are not reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good example it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar or group of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks into one groovy fluid musical unit. The LP has examples like this all over. LP5 has some examples like these too. Many people think they use generative patches to produce this odd rythms, but thats not true. This is the result of painstaking sample selection and audio editing. I would like to know if anybody knows anything similar to this in electronic music. I havent found nothing like AE, even though there are millons of copycats. Well, with virtual non-linear I mean a rythmical composition that perceptively (virtually) breaks the tempo/signature continuum. It is not a "real" disruption of time linearity off course. That has not been invented yet, or has it? ;) ******************** I've just completed my Masters in Music Technology, and for the composition I did for the thesis (for drum kit and tape), I studied a lot of African music as I'm a jazz drummer and wanted to explore the links between them. Also a healthy electronic and IDM influence on my thesis too ;). But... on those two quotes above: "combining completely different track"[with different "meters"] is exactly how the majority of African music works, from what I've discovered during my research. The ability to do this arises out of the fact that there's no such thing as time signatures or meters in traditional African music - all that matters is the pulse. Apparently, this was the same in Europe until the 16th century. It was known as Tactus, which referred to the bending of a finger to indicate a beat. No [1,2,3,4] or [1,2,3], only [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1......]. This definately got me thinking as regards IDM, those kind of moments described in the quotes and also the moments where time seems to breakdown completely yet still flow. I would be pretty convinced that the reason that time can be booted around the place and totally distorted, yet sound good, is the maintainence of pulse. As you say, it's not a "real" disruption of linearity, and the constant feeling of the subjective pulse is the reason I propose why. I haven't checked it out yet (I'm recording the live drum part this evening to hand up tomorrow!) but I will! Tony On 9/7/06, a z <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.ubu.com/film/ligeti.html > > { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Gyorgy Ligeti: Poeme Symphonique for 100 Metronomes > > (see/hear it on youtube) > > /:b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Thu Sep 7 16:59:23 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40074-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22185 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:59:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 22173 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:59:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:59:07 +0200 (CEST) From: xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx Subject: [microsound] French Jacqueline concerts in NYC To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ircam.fr X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jacqueline @ Diapason nyc - Jacqueline @ monkeytownhq nyc Olivier Pasquet and Franois Sarhan bring their duo to NYC. The permormance will be something between dadaist pure advanced live electronic music, IDM and spoken words. Influences : People Like Us, Otto Von Schirach, Chlorgeschlecht, Autechre, Helmut Oehring, Florian Hecker, Pierre Boulez, Richard Devine, Helmut Lachenmann, Frank Zappa, Charles Brugnon, Maurice Ravel, Richard Devine, Francois Sarhan, Olivier Pasquet, Nana Mouskouri, Ircam, CNN, Demis Roussos. 09/08/2006 08:00 PM - NYC Diapason Gallery 1026 Sixth Avenue, # 2S New York NY 10018 http://www.diapasongallery.org --- $10 09/09/2006 08:30 PM - NYC MonkeyTownhq 58 N 3rd St - (btw. Kent & Wythe) - Williamsburg, NYC Brooklyn, NY 11211 http://www.monkeytownhq.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 16:50:18 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40073-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18117 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:50:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 18107 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:50:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: a z <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fXeyb/CESJEOVRtoQcVvvg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q13nvaoko2h0lENs9+6y4b0KS9kERjcrSAqqI8JrbKnWEtBMW+lBiqGPYtRf2SpG/8ICzWiswsaRFIKO06pthfucSZIztNX2x/CgcxyrvQiPhaZN8VOzJahe6MikbPVIxvqpDQ8Xj8Myhv8p3I5Sb6+M6vHz5f61nLmaTqdFza4= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_fXeyb/CESJEOVRtoQcVvvg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.ubu.com/film/ligeti.html { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: Gyorgy Ligeti: Poeme Symphonique for 100 Metronomes (see/hear it on youtube) /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --Boundary_(ID_fXeyb/CESJEOVRtoQcVvvg)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 16:19:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40072-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4499 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:19:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 4486 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:19:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, rinus van alebeek wrote: > frres jacques is a childrens song, > try that, > it ends with BimBamBom, > The BimBamBompart is an audiopalindrome. yes! thanks > If you want a recognisable sound (footsteps), that when played backwards > sounds like another recognisable sound (spetstoofs), you have to look for > objects that cause 'backward' sounds. interested to hear of objects that cause backwards sounds... 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Thu Sep 7 15:41:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40070-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87193 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:41:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 87172 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:41:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:39:52 +0200 From: rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WmkNz8CCe3d5TG0eaCBc3A)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iel7WbgK0N2Q5bYWNVD6U1YbTt1N0ejfIHd1XfptTJdCHXeg7Det53hvcqPlZwasTA67LucTqQkJKO+uMhENmBPu+AgYTe/GUFAMzpNcy9s3CGl4006/OZ4+f1IrGrEoJzdWaTi8ioo3tuozKUBur+K2mq7VV1mRjB7BALvmAv8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_WmkNz8CCe3d5TG0eaCBc3A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sveicinaati! Liidz septembra beigaam veel ir iespeeja apskatiit interneta galerijaa Nogallery izstaadi "Charming nonchalance". In fact, In front of a piano you can easily play something palindromic, frres jacques is a childrens song, try that, it ends with BimBamBom, The BimBamBompart is an audiopalindrome. I can imagine that composers who use(d) to write down their music, repeat(ed) the score from some point going back to the first 'noot'. noot toon - you have to understand dutch om je in te beelden dat er diepgang in deze omkeerbaarheid schuilt. If you want a recognisable sound (footsteps), that when played backwards sounds like another recognisable sound (spetstoofs), you have to look for objects that cause 'backward' sounds. Yesterday I touched some pages from a book, the sound comes close to backwardness. Didn't record it, because I am not a palindromist. Rinus -- activities, releases, downloads http://emc.yserv.com/103 The no-budget Foundations http://no-bf.blogspot.com/ salon bruit in berlin http://salonbruit.blogspot.com --Boundary_(ID_WmkNz8CCe3d5TG0eaCBc3A)-- From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 07:20:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40069-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17645 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:20:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 17633 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:20:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:20:22 +0200 From: Marcin Barski <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise asia To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004201c6d24e$18009050$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - heki.ehost.pl X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hyperreal.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - audiotong.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ....or try this: http://www.myspace.com/dicksondee mb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:33 AM Subject: [microsound] noise asia > can anyone put me in touch with the Noise Asia people? an email addy > would be cool... > the http://www.noiseasia.com website seems to be dead... > thanks! > KIM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 07:17:01 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40068-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15595 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:16:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 15584 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:16:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:16:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_j=F8rgensen?= <x@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise asia In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx :) Den 7/9-2006, kl. 2.48, skrev maskin_: > They have a Myspace page, it might be usefull: > http://www.myspace.com/noiseasia > > Op 7-sep-2006, om 2:33 heeft Kim Cascone het volgende geschreven: > >> can anyone put me in touch with the Noise Asia people? an email addy >> would be cool... >> the http://www.noiseasia.com website seems to be dead... >> thanks! >> KIM > > _ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 02:22:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40067-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25232 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:22:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 25221 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:22:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:22:24 -0400 From: Guillaume Grenier <xxxxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Le 6 sept. 2006 21:37, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx a crit : > Well, with virtual non-linear I mean a rythmical composition that > perceptively (virtually) breaks the tempo/signature continuum. It > is not a > "real" disruption of time linearity off course. That has not been > invented > yet, or has it? ;) If you want to hear truly complex rythmic/metric relationships or superimposition, inventive fiddling with patterns (illusory or real), fiddling with pulse, you really have to listen to Ligeti's tudes for piano and Nancarrow's player piano studies. Some of Nancarrow's studies are especially whacked... although less interesting as musical compositions, to me. Ligeti's tudes are certainly among the greatest works written for the piano in the 20th century -- and among the great musical works in general too. If you can read musical notation, try to get ahold of a score, too. You should find a copy without too much difficulty if you have access to an university's music library. g. -- Guillaume Grenier - xxxxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxx.xx "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before." 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Thu Sep 7 01:37:49 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40066-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7871 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 7861 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:37:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, with virtual non-linear I mean a rythmical composition that perceptively (virtually) breaks the tempo/signature continuum. It is not a "real" disruption of time linearity off course. That has not been invented yet, or has it? ;) With "painstaking editing" I just describe AE composing methods, especially in Untilted which is clearly a return to structured, discoursive and multiple-layered editing. hernan > hi > >> What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that >> are not >> reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good >> example >> it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there >> combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar >> or group >> of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks >> into >> one groovy fluid musical unit. The LP has examples like this all >> over. LP5 >> has some examples like these too. Many people think they use >> generative >> patches to produce this odd rythms, but thats not true. This is the >> result >> of painstaking sample selection and audio editing. >> I would like to know if anybody knows anything similar to this in >> electronic music. I havent found nothing like AE, even though there >> are >> millons of copycats. > > i used to do that with rebirth. check track 7 on http:// > www.notype.com/drones/cat.e/nta_014/ for example. every loop in this > track plays at a different tempo. track 1 also has many elements > like that. > > i don't know why you call it "virtual non-linear" (unless you're > trying to make it as the wire's new microsound correspondent), it's > just... asynchronous tempo. > > no need for painstaking sample selection and audio editing. you just > need to have a little bit of ear to make it work. > > have a nice day > ~ david > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 00:48:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40065-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89592 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:48:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 89582 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:48:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:48:18 +0200 From: maskin_ <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] noise asia In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KD+LcSfzYjxjKvGch9/7o+PACoMLE8LYIvZlweFKbNseG+8jCBkGYjVaj3WWEpWVBhJbg+e2O7ZvCOvQoN9sqGCaZhD8qRIQCjsuM9pNbmRo/OQfmjd0ZGfK4OT4XU16+H85bKWoEsEsZDMWrtQFJdldfhMcJyqQ8SjDhbYrEmA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx They have a Myspace page, it might be usefull: http://www.myspace.com/ noiseasia Op 7-sep-2006, om 2:33 heeft Kim Cascone het volgende geschreven: > can anyone put me in touch with the Noise Asia people? an email > addy would be cool... > the http://www.noiseasia.com website seems to be dead... > thanks! > KIM _ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Sep 7 00:33:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40064-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82525 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:33:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 82511 invoked from network); Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:33:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:33:37 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] noise asia To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UHRW2Fovt9hNbdYXyFW0uA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UHRW2Fovt9hNbdYXyFW0uA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can anyone put me in touch with the Noise Asia people? an email addy would be cool... the http://www.noiseasia.com website seems to be dead... thanks! 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Wed Sep 6 23:51:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40062-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62712 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:51:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 62696 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:51:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:53:31 -0400 From: david turgeon <xx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi > What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that > are not > reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good > example > it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there > combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar > or group > of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks > into > one groovy fluid musical unit. The LP has examples like this all > over. LP5 > has some examples like these too. Many people think they use > generative > patches to produce this odd rythms, but thats not true. This is the > result > of painstaking sample selection and audio editing. > I would like to know if anybody knows anything similar to this in > electronic music. I havent found nothing like AE, even though there > are > millons of copycats. i used to do that with rebirth. check track 7 on http:// www.notype.com/drones/cat.e/nta_014/ for example. every loop in this track plays at a different tempo. track 1 also has many elements like that. i don't know why you call it "virtual non-linear" (unless you're trying to make it as the wire's new microsound correspondent), it's just... asynchronous tempo. no need for painstaking sample selection and audio editing. you just need to have a little bit of ear to make it work. have a nice day ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 23:52:27 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40063-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63590 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:52:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 63570 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:52:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:51:49 +0200 From: CiroFioratti <xxx_xx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002101c6d20f$6c42fe30$xxxxxxxx@xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0636-1, 06/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i found really interesting the M:I:5 project by Wolfgang Voigt, using 1:5 scale on regular minimal techno basis (2 steps or so..); on "1:5 Mastab" he also plays "back&forth" and "shifting" samples (track 11), i think the same way Wollscheid produced the "Shifts" CD. shifting back&forth, pitching +/- and stretching are interesting ways to create polyrhythmical music.. c. ----- Original Message ----- From: <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR > What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that are not > reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good example > it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there > combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar or group > of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks into > one groovy fluid musical unit. The LP has examples like this all over. LP5 > has some examples like these too. Many people think they use generative > patches to produce this odd rythms, but thats not true. This is the result > of painstaking sample selection and audio editing. > > I would like to know if anybody knows anything similar to this in > electronic music. I havent found nothing like AE, even though there are > millons of copycats. > > > >> Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" >> There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non-linear" >> I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some >> years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples that can >> be found of rythmical paradoxes. >> >>> >>> On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >>> >>>> I doubt that there are any such cultures. >>>> >>>> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be >>>> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the >>>> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a >>>> Mongolian throat singer). >>> >>> Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. >>> One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance >>> occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves >>> would mean something different than the same vocal utterance >>> with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably >>> intertwined. >>> >>> >>>> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try >>>> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, >>>> it's like an audible Necker Cube >>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer >>>> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be >>>> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! >>> >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 23:38:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40061-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55595 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:38:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 55583 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:38:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:38:17 +0200 From: maskin_ <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=D5WDypIyCdcEmMQ5Kmh8EgKiM0EIFRCQAkywCnzJiGgnxfxPl+LJz9lGH90WlY8K6H3ZsOILOTQcA0R229Mi3lYjKL9RT654kwqyEzZKt0+gioQ5ybSpLVgSdUq9/GUmovUz5xl21z8OWJiuaBBHcAsJhYCOhkgtAsOek/Zrgmc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In one of my older tracks I have used something like this 'virtual non-linear' rhythm. I used different 7/8 loops in a 4/4 track wich was based in a 3/4 setting, this indeed sounded as a fluid structure. It is not that complex, but it is a nice rhythmic variation. Cheers. Op 7-sep-2006, om 0:15 heeft xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx het volgende geschreven: > What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that > are not > reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good > example > it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there > combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar > or group > of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks > into > one groovy fluid musical unit. The LP has examples like this all > over. LP5 > has some examples like these too. Many people think they use > generative > patches to produce this odd rythms, but thats not true. This is the > result > of painstaking sample selection and audio editing. > > I would like to know if anybody knows anything similar to this in > electronic music. I havent found nothing like AE, even though there > are > millons of copycats. > > > >> Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" >> There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non- >> linear" >> I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some >> years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples >> that can >> be found of rythmical paradoxes. >> >>> >>> On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >>> >>>> I doubt that there are any such cultures. >>>> >>>> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be >>>> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact >>>> that the >>>> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a >>>> Mongolian throat singer). >>> >>> Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. >>> One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance >>> occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves >>> would mean something different than the same vocal utterance >>> with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being >>> inseparably >>> intertwined. >>> >>> >>>> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try >>>> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, >>>> it's like an audible Necker Cube >>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot >>>> layer >>>> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be >>>> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! >>> >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > _ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 23:22:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40060-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47976 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:22:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 47966 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:22:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:21:59 -0500 From: Kevin McCoy <xx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VU4QYMDins3AYVugmB9E2w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OspVONPJIR/n+pxxMeiNIPnHDWYhF+0P0d0uUIy3M8AAo1zmXRUk1b+E9RkVdGLU4gNzHyBvXfdTsCdwMItdaJE4bspLIecpelJuJZi0N9nSA3PxjKa1xBRCQXTrl9BKrk36YakYG7Xu7oOf5II2iTatsC7OiS1knMOiT0EOFq8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_VU4QYMDins3AYVugmB9E2w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dunno - sounds like different beats/patterns going over each other like faultlines in an earthquake overlapping. I've always dug that part of Iera particularly! I see Autechre's music often as different conceptions of musical time emerging, disappearing, etc. They play heavily on perception of pattern and form, as it relates to expressivity - for example, "Tapr" on Draft 7.30 has patterns to it but sounds highly disordered and expressive. Once you can notice the pattern, which is barely perceptible depending on who you are, they make an expressive interjection to keep the process going, not standing still. Kevin On 9/6/06, Guillaume Grenier <xxxxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > Le 6 sept. 2006 18:15, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx a crit : > > > What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that > > are not > > reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good > > example > > it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there > > combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar > > or group > > of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks > > into > > one groovy fluid musical unit. > > The passage you're referring to is actually not that complex. > > There are two parts, or two bars if you wish. > > The first one is a very straightforward 4/4 at 112. > > The second one uses exactly the same tempo -- only, the reference > value is doubled. So it's like a 2/2 at 56. Same tempo. > > The only "tricky" thing is that the last beat of this second bar is > somewhat elongated. It is "organically stretched" -- not quite enough > to get a 5th quarter note. > > That's how I perceive it, anyway. > > So, I don't hear any superimposition of time signatures or tempos. > > g. > > -- > Guillaume Grenier - xxxxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxx.xx > > "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before." > > (Dwight Eisenhower) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- "[D]aily life [is] a theatrical landscape in which 'everyone has their price,' God (via televangelism) and happiness (smile buttons) become commodities, radio stations say they love you, and detergents have compassion for your hands. --Boundary_(ID_VU4QYMDins3AYVugmB9E2w)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 23:03:38 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40059-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35845 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:03:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 35832 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:03:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:03:08 -0400 From: Guillaume Grenier <xxxxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Le 6 sept. 2006 18:15, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx a crit : > What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that > are not > reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good > example > it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there > combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar > or group > of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks > into > one groovy fluid musical unit. The passage you're referring to is actually not that complex. There are two parts, or two bars if you wish. The first one is a very straightforward 4/4 at 112. The second one uses exactly the same tempo -- only, the reference value is doubled. So it's like a 2/2 at 56. Same tempo. The only "tricky" thing is that the last beat of this second bar is somewhat elongated. It is "organically stretched" -- not quite enough to get a 5th quarter note. That's how I perceive it, anyway. So, I don't hear any superimposition of time signatures or tempos. g. -- Guillaume Grenier - xxxxxxx.x@xxxxxxxxx.xx "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before." (Dwight Eisenhower) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 22:15:40 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40058-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15689 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:15:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 15679 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:15:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx What I call "virtual non-linear" is the polyrythms AE develop that are not reduced only to playing 3/4 over 4/4 or stuff like that. One good example it track 5 "Iera". Listen to time 3.47. The section that starts there combines different tempos and time signatures within the same bar or group of bars. Sounds like they had combined completely different tracks into one groovy fluid musical unit. The LP has examples like this all over. LP5 has some examples like these too. Many people think they use generative patches to produce this odd rythms, but thats not true. This is the result of painstaking sample selection and audio editing. I would like to know if anybody knows anything similar to this in electronic music. I havent found nothing like AE, even though there are millons of copycats. > Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" > There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non-linear" > I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some > years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples that can > be found of rythmical paradoxes. > >> >> On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >> >>> I doubt that there are any such cultures. >>> >>> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be >>> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the >>> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a >>> Mongolian throat singer). >> >> Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. >> One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance >> occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves >> would mean something different than the same vocal utterance >> with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably >> intertwined. >> >> >>> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try >>> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, >>> it's like an audible Necker Cube >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer >>> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be >>> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. >>> >> >> >> >> We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! >> >> >> Rod >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 20:50:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40057-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79737 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:49:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 79725 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:49:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:34:21 -0400 From: Mirko Petrovich <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] beginnings of computer music [spanish] To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=YN4oudOHGZO3itQQqQ0qVDImpIPMa31jaiUZkd4Eq1JOD7ckAtYG0kSWxg/Jg8rwnC+cA+KWf9T4zStq6/hMgPahDlfzNU+hFipStFmSD99VQUlovhzc5022CKh2O+NEHzGOr2yKN9SCztOKamTKJMQ1fIJUosDPI6rlaksivLA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Un evento histrico Vienen a Buenos Aires los iniciadores de la msica por computadora Max Mathews, Jean Claude Risset y John Chowning. Seminario Lunes 18, Martes 19 y Mircoles 20 de Septiembre a las 18.00 hs. Los inicios de la msica por computadora Informacin tcnica sobre el hardware y software desarrollados en la dcada de los 60 y 70 y sobre obras realizadas por sus autores. Esta actividad incluir proyeccin de pelculas histricas y ejemplos grficos y sonoros. Concierto Jueves 21 a las 20.00 hs. Obras de Max Mathews, Jean Claude Risset y John Chowning. Reproduccin octofnica y presentacin del nuevo Radio baton wireless de Max Mathews Se contar con la participacin de la cantante Maureen Chowning Todas las actividades se realizarn en la Sala Villa Villa del Centro Cultural Recoleta - Junn 1930 - Este evento cuenta con el apoyo de la Embajada de Francia, La Alianza Francesa de Buenos Aires y la Fundacin Msica y Tecnologa Entrada Libre y Gratuita --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:52:26 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40056-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16140 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:52:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 16130 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:52:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:52:03 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gQq1tH9/+z6mnoP/a4AvpRQDXou1tUHh109ZMOd0mw+jVjJES6B1inrdcBB4YoTQ26A7IGxkkFeOqMXMj4K2V5zXeIibmqKH/o3yYzjrSpHyjeBpIZjifIt6nWY17O6LqLGx8wWT1OU5Hzw+AgO4d26yDFV/mFn2mn7plWpTDF0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <005e01c6d1e1$2a8ba740$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Never used LiveCut, but after looking at Nick Collins' 2002 ICMC paper, it makes me want to play around with BBCut. ~Kyle On 9/6/06, Clark|KENT <xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > @Jason Hollis > Well there is some live cut on it ;-) > > > @ Clark|kent > > > > lolz.. I'm listening to your stuff on MySpace RIGHT NOW. =] > > (Good stuff) > > > > ~ !J! > > http://www.endif.org > > http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:40:59 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40055-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9293 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:40:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 9283 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:40:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:40:41 +0200 From: rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mYVnTBpgPLLOIzy1dve+Kg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BnQmaxInbxEIgIjsTX9RtTEU0ItHRut+tjXVwsPKO4M03j+wJ5FvSsY0Rp6xsWpN6nMOOS7/yTZhrV0kzeMHqmTE+JIMad4tFR5yObYR7245lJl0RZwLm6bek3bq3brUqHiZDffT1nKNMuD3QjvRmQ9AagCTRkdYrZRByqdFDJM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_mYVnTBpgPLLOIzy1dve+Kg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > the backwards sound will sound > backwards. how do you know unless you know? besides adog!gapanic doesn't sound like kinnapagoda! smart ass. -- activities, releases, downloads http://emc.yserv.com/103 The no-budget Foundations http://no-bf.blogspot.com/ salon bruit in berlin http://salonbruit.blogspot.com --Boundary_(ID_mYVnTBpgPLLOIzy1dve+Kg)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:24:22 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40054-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99133 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:23:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 99096 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:23:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:22:22 +0100 From: Clark|KENT <xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <005e01c6d1e1$2a8ba740$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Edi=E7=E3o_de_Autor?= MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=k1WerEF0uSYv6lcWS1X5MxbN5CJY8pbYujHrILM3m9sx0Md0Wl9nQELEmmpGzmzuKwKcfSVZVbXTmDqrCvYUKZgCbz8XPVSEM7eHD+qBArmdpNqEfS96c15kmi3GuAiqfnJjU0gkcMzOqoWi8Kumg90ip+qMtGkOEbif9n5fqos= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <005e01c6d1e1$2a8ba740$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx @Jason Hollis Well there is some live cut on it ;-) > @ Clark|kent > > lolz.. I'm listening to your stuff on MySpace RIGHT NOW. =] > (Good stuff) > > ~ !J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:21:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40053-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 96996 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:21:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 96962 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:21:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:20:43 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <005e01c6d1e1$2a8ba740$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx @ Clark|kent lolz.. I'm listening to your stuff on MySpace RIGHT NOW. =] (Good stuff) ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:18:29 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40052-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94518 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:18:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 94494 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:18:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:16:57 +0100 From: Clark|KENT <xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Edi=E7=E3o_de_Autor?= MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=IDrNLWZdxXaIhZ8l2RVIypI6o4EyUigKH0e20a+py+8roBVg+6ddonjx1ZsCxU1TPV2ajwBfho9stD17qFTE99YYRgfHacpiVXDHuwgYO1ogpn04D/e0LCqnCuHqk9HwT8wfFjCdiXuwsCHaS3K18hRQm+OPU487yyUCOyBLCms= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello, my first post here, i think. I have used livecut. In my opinion, at first it looks and sounds good but the more you explore it and the more you want from it it just lacks the "expandibility". For me it worked to understand what kind of cuts i wanted in my compositions and what were the methods that i should use in order to make them and then it was back to the old cut and paste method that i tend to feel more "real" to me. I still use it on live acts but always i am confronted with the question "are you using livecut?"... Graham Miller escreveu: > http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/2005/07/livecut.php > > just downloading now... > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > Hello, my first post here, i think. I have used livecut. In my opinion, at first it looks and sounds good but the more you explore it and the more you want from it it just lacks the "expandibility". For me it worked to understand what kind of cuts i wanted in my compositions and what were the methods that i should use in order to make them and then it was back to the old cut and paste method that i tend to feel more "real" to me. I still use it on live acts but always i am confronted with the question "are you using livecut?"... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:13:36 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40051-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90658 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:13:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 90647 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:13:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:12:46 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone using livecut? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <005401c6d1e0$0e7de910$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oh yes, this one is fun. Also lovely by SmartElectronix is Buffer Override, Skidder, etc. ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com >Subject: [microsound] anyone using livecut? > http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/2005/07/livecut.php > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 18:06:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40050-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 84788 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:06:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 84509 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:05:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:05:53 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] anyone using livecut? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/2005/07/livecut.php just downloading now... g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 16:00:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40049-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19047 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:00:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 19035 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:00:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:00:17 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 06, at 10:46 AM, { brad brace } wrote: > On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, rinus van alebeek wrote: > >>> Is there an audio equivalent of a palindrome? >> >> but the question is too easy, >> every piece that you will play backwards after you have reached >> the middle >> point will generate an audio equivalent of a palindrome. > > No, that's just it... the backwards sound will sound > backwards. Are we all _that culturally inculcated? or is > there some other factor at play? A dog! A panic in a pagoda! I think it's just the simple fact that when we hear a particular sound, it begins with an attack and ends with a release and when it is played backwards, it begins with a reverse release that gradually grows in intensity - even if it is a soft sound. So, it is unusual for our ears. Rod --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 15:47:08 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40048-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12646 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 12633 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:46:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, rinus van alebeek wrote: > > Is there an audio equivalent of a palindrome? > > but the question is too easy, > every piece that you will play backwards after you have reached the middle > point will generate an audio equivalent of a palindrome. No, that's just it... the backwards sound will sound backwards. Are we all _that culturally inculcated? or is there some other factor at play? A dog! A panic in a pagoda! /:b brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 15:33:02 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40047-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6001 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:32:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 5990 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:32:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:26:05 +0200 From: rinus van alebeek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6joVUFQEA5RVWlwCRqYqag)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LDOKjiJwEXKn0bFb8IoSE+79yNov56njQ8fXD1+rkRKCoz1/k0ic/c7Try9PteAjJFr3NpD6/D73j2tDwu3sGiKTrVFeInSmt7GDgi9i0ZGYTqhI9q1kcjfpy5V4ONj3CAZZMs5HHxWhCbx5vYYNbqImy/41EN1oYpt/Ws8rcAc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6joVUFQEA5RVWlwCRqYqag) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there an audio equivalent of a palindrome? > Try a palindrone, but the question is too easy, every piece that you will play backwards after you have reached the middle point will generate an audio equivalent of a palindrome. rinus -- activities, releases, downloads http://emc.yserv.com/103 The no-budget Foundations http://no-bf.blogspot.com/ salon bruit in berlin http://salonbruit.blogspot.com --Boundary_(ID_6joVUFQEA5RVWlwCRqYqag)-- From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 15:03:17 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40046-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92525 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:03:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 92512 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:03:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There is often a useful, temporal, melodic identifier in place but it still seems incredible that every sound would have a recognizable beginning and end -- that any sound played backwards is instantly recognized as such. In other words, Is there an audio equivalent of a palindrome? Butt-roped, I deport tub. /:b On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, Rod Stasick wrote: > > On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > > I doubt that there are any such cultures. > > > > Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be > > "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the > > voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a > > Mongolian throat singer). > > Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. > One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance > occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves > would mean something different than the same vocal utterance > with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably > intertwined. > > > It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try > > listening to two people saying completely different things at once, > > it's like an audible Necker Cube > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer > > the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be > > communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. > > > > We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! brad brace sound: http://69.64.229.114:8000 http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 13:45:39 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40045-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58313 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:45:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 58303 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:45:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:45:20 +0100 From: Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lBCvVXfVVJ56NmNOwWaI3OEzjJyfA3mGGCmfpftJK5oRG2qSNeFh7q1ddyGm40fLkbVxQGjSVzrExw7L17Ipy9L5TIYggf/ohzQoF0ahDFUBcGvw3YaqXiIKTlgIqDkBBMl0iRr/RIi7lwtxGqaT7PhGNrEvYVezS7iA5fHxSXY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 05/09/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" > There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non-linear" > I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some > years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples that can > be found of rythmical paradoxes. can you expand on this? sounds interesting. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 13:35:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40044-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 52330 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:35:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 52320 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:35:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:35:57 -0500 (CDT) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mail1.sewanee.edu [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:35:57 -0500 (CDT) X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5-1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The book Songlines by Bruce Chatwin is a about this subject- Ed Wilcox (Temple of Bon Matin)( not microsound) is interested in these ideas for his performances. > Kevin McCoy wrote: >> Hi Erik, >> >> I heard a presentation once about an aboriginal culture in Australia >> that >> told cultural stories and formed memories that were somehow understood >> to be >> simultaneously past and present... > > There's an Australian film called Ten Canoes which explores this very > area. > Easily the highlight of this year's local film festival season, for me at > least. > > http://www.nzff.co.nz/filmsynopsis.asp?FilmID=2354&Archive=0&RegionID=1&EventID=10 > http://www.tencanoes.com.au/ > > -- > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 06:03:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40043-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97365 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:03:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 97354 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:03:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:01:39 +1200 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kevin McCoy wrote: > Hi Erik, > > I heard a presentation once about an aboriginal culture in Australia that > told cultural stories and formed memories that were somehow understood > to be > simultaneously past and present... There's an Australian film called Ten Canoes which explores this very area. Easily the highlight of this year's local film festival season, for me at least. http://www.nzff.co.nz/filmsynopsis.asp?FilmID=2354&Archive=0&RegionID=1&EventID=10 http://www.tencanoes.com.au/ -- f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 03:02:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40042-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35705 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:02:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 35694 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:02:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:02:21 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mfFq9pDefqoVd4UYnLksL5/AVWs3M0+DN7wb4MfqxkPNXxXIn0w/VhHwuairFavfRgN6gnC2G0E06ORMtiLGp6cSHhp/XB+b72l+ufrYSYAUjGbEcWs7PczCgHI+bn7YrgVSk4ZRdCvPQ6pjQNk3rrOiOZU/QlW+QqsY4hLklcA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx That sounds about right! And they have inside-out intestines too, and live inside a secret hollow in the center of the Earth. ~Kyle On 9/5/06, Mario De Roma <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 9/5/06, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I doubt that there are any such cultures. > There are some, only they die before they're born. -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Sep 6 01:28:21 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40041-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78224 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:27:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 78151 invoked from network); Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:27:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:58:49 +0200 From: Mario De Roma <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N2vn9kg6KR0FhD4P2X6BrZntYZy7jg+1XgvxVGApm2gGWEuKNOqVgjed/c5fOllnIoIumqg1/eErWEPzMK4Dfn5Ce8CaxD0mD4KsUyeaFLoJJTda1gwahF4OFyYbVN0k3SN/U59hvjbCAImR/ezGrktXi23zPeRFBuuLcHh9cnk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 9/5/06, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I doubt that there are any such cultures. There are some, only they die before they're born. -- Spamma un crodino: http://as1.servebeer.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 19:14:52 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40040-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83035 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:14:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 83023 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:14:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:14:04 -0400 From: "\\js" <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] example of droplifting In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ejlVBvzrkm2IM3wxMpF/pDui0L0shrWMXiSiwGlou3JEEuQeFiYv4yAu1oOpUw0eHnQeQRJj+ASnR3KMZkVG6WHm4fbqrK/yV9Qh/Oepm5S/eXHivMG5+/w3VXkCd1euzRPE/DbTdBpTa8LRXGnl7qvZVtac/GfMXXBG7F13JXU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 9/5/06, $B%K%3%i%9!&%1%s%H(B <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It's not like > anyone buying that album will receive any revelation from the new > contents. how do you know this? > People don't do this to > just anyone who isn't already being effective. hmm ... what do you mean 'being effective'? and again, how do you know that people don't 'modify and replace' other stuff? it's all very localized and there mostly would not be press coverage of this kinda thing [especially in corporate media]. it may also be on a smaller scale [5 or fewer items as opposed to 500], so there's even less of a chance that you would hear about it. > It also gives third > parties new excuses to tighten security against product tampering and > acts of art. maybe. i would guess that internal shoplifting [as opposed to external droplifting] is of more concern to most store owners. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 19:06:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40039-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74725 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:04:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 74710 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:04:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:04:18 -0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?44OL44Kz44Op44K544O744Kx44Oz44OI?= <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] example of droplifting In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm Umm, what kind of mixed message is he really sending? It's not like anyone buying that album will receive any revelation from the new contents. It seems more like the guy is showing off to a pocket of interested media and hipsters so he can get some attention too. If anything it verifies Paris Hilton is a big enough "to do" to get someone to do a publicity stunt like this. People don't do this to just anyone who isn't already being effective. It also gives third parties new excuses to tighten security against product tampering and acts of art. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 19:05:05 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40038-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73896 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:03:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 73871 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:03:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:03:34 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 05, at 1:42 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > This is true to an extent, in which paralanguage (jargon for nonvocal > language) can add meaningful and nuanced layers of communication. > However, our brains can only hold a limited number (approximately > seven: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_memory) of concurrent > information streams at equal attention. It would be quite difficult > to communicate say, the lord's prayer in a stack of 60+ simultaneously > delivered layers! > Yes, but nobody is suggesting 60 layers - or anything more than TWO, but if we DO begin speaking of multiple layers, our minds are very capable of handling these simultaneous layers (within reason as you point out), and they don't necessarily have to be of equal attention. Actually, it's the lack of equal attention that gives each sound/ event it's own character. We're doing this sifting continuously in daily life, but without completely obliterating any one sound/event. Say hello to me at a carnival and say hello to me in a club and I'll probably interpret it differently in each case. Rod --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:57:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40037-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68478 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:57:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 68445 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:57:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:57:09 -0400 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] droplifting: been there, done that In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5jl5SYg/4c43Si75Gl3szg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_5jl5SYg/4c43Si75Gl3szg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 5, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > kinda like the book club I tried to kick-start where the only > people who showed up where those who hadn't read the book! ;) makes discussion difficult, i would imagine... b bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams --Boundary_(ID_5jl5SYg/4c43Si75Gl3szg)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:52:28 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40036-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63346 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:50:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 63335 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:50:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx How do you avoid time linearity in music and/or sound? You can play with perception but, can you really pull sound into dimensions other than 3D space and past-to-future time? > > On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> I doubt that there are any such cultures. >> >> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be >> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the >> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a >> Mongolian throat singer). > > Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. > One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance > occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves > would mean something different than the same vocal utterance > with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably > intertwined. > > >> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try >> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, >> it's like an audible Necker Cube >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer >> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be >> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. >> > > > > We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! > > > Rod > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:48:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40035-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60765 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:47:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 60749 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:47:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non-linear" I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples that can be found of rythmical paradoxes. > > On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> I doubt that there are any such cultures. >> >> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be >> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the >> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a >> Mongolian throat singer). > > Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. > One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance > occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves > would mean something different than the same vocal utterance > with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably > intertwined. > > >> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try >> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, >> it's like an audible Necker Cube >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer >> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be >> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. >> > > > > We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! > > > Rod > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:42:44 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40034-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57938 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:42:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 57927 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:42:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:42:13 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nqSgkQGfYXZvdORYSB6HAk3KABJBL8ZQhXg0cOcoLYvLlhrZet+vlABaFVfZGnvR4LORWJr6fLuUFSAmVyT2YOhVAHoraHnpv4vR6Qc3cAjHAS4Hxv6UOK6pCn1JB1mHwVzHB0fSKFAbvpd8FaLCUrzUbznlEfqflDhzIc8/7DA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is true to an extent, in which paralanguage (jargon for nonvocal language) can add meaningful and nuanced layers of communication. However, our brains can only hold a limited number (approximately seven: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_memory) of concurrent information streams at equal attention. It would be quite difficult to communicate say, the lord's prayer in a stack of 60+ simultaneously delivered layers! ~Kyle On 9/5/06, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. > One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance > occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves > would mean something different than the same vocal utterance > with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably > intertwined. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:27:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40033-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 50246 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:27:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 50231 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:27:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:26:59 -0500 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oMijoAWDVCGxox/lcHHtr6SfGuSctglWyfT2UpvA8zG32TWBUFmSThHrEL1bv8oa5STX2oe6a71JBCMObt/Wkq4763zWriLcED/gKMm/cNbVahpY/KNNRm2qmKbiL0/1L2Ya6OyKdSrbmw57sUq9N4vD6CCj/UDcooNjfi5rQcc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've listened to (and quite like) the album - but could you clarify what you mean by "virtual non-linear"? ~David On 9/5/06, xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" > There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non-linear" > I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some > years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples that can > be found of rythmical paradoxes. > > > > > On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > > >> I doubt that there are any such cultures. > >> > >> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be > >> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the > >> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a > >> Mongolian throat singer). > > > > Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. > > One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance > > occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves > > would mean something different than the same vocal utterance > > with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably > > intertwined. > > > > > >> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try > >> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, > >> it's like an audible Necker Cube > >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer > >> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be > >> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. > >> > > > > > > > > We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! > > > > > > Rod > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:23:32 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40032-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.102]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta31.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47990 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:22:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 47978 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:22:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Listen to Autechre's (not them again!) album "untilted" There are rythms there that can be easily labeled as "virtual non-linear" I have been exploring extra-ordinary rythmical possibilities for some years now, and can assure that this is one of the best examples that can be found of rythmical paradoxes. > > On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> I doubt that there are any such cultures. >> >> Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be >> "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the >> voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a >> Mongolian throat singer). > > Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. > One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance > occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves > would mean something different than the same vocal utterance > with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably > intertwined. > > >> It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try >> listening to two people saying completely different things at once, >> it's like an audible Necker Cube >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer >> the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be >> communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. >> > > > > We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! > > > Rod > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:22:35 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40031-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46838 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:22:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 46827 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:22:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:21:56 -0500 From: Kevin McCoy <xx.xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Olz3N9V23L7nR6dNlHanOQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Cg+5fp5LehhEuhH3R5qj5Z5FWnjuh0g++TY9c4WYqIT7f5cNYGl8YPmeEa2+bm/mtBEdDwOU/UWAgTX2DgIl/emaBuMqfyGjaxYya3gM5gKSGjRmK03/gcsOupQVvZ41A4GHgAjvt7av0AsDBLuPRXJupwyz45zyGKoD4LF5Uzs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Olz3N9V23L7nR6dNlHanOQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Erik, I heard a presentation once about an aboriginal culture in Australia that told cultural stories and formed memories that were somehow understood to be simultaneously past and present... can't remember much more than that, but the person presenting was thinking of what model to use for a network to allow these people to present their experiences in media. Kevin On 9/5/06, erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I'd be really interested to know if there are cultures that don't > perceive sound as directional - I'd say it is for the same reason we > perceive time as directional though. We understand events to happen > one after the other, linearly, and because of that we probably model > our writing and music against them. It would be really interesting to > know though if there is a culture out there that has a kind of > rhizomatic perception of time - events branching off from each other > in a mess of lines, maybe even feeding back onto itself... I can't > imagine there are such cultures, but I bet their languages would look > cool! (Maybe to us something like paul's message...) > > Erik > > On 9/5/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > > > /:b > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com > www.luvsound.org / www.lovelymedia.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- "[D]aily life [is] a theatrical landscape in which 'everyone has their price,' God (via televangelism) and happiness (smile buttons) become commodities, radio stations say they love you, and detergents have compassion for your hands. --Boundary_(ID_Olz3N9V23L7nR6dNlHanOQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:08:34 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40030-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40072 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:07:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 40045 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:07:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx How do you avoid time linearity in music and/or sound? You can play with perception but, can you really pull sound into dimensions other than 3D space and past-to-future time? > I'd be really interested to know if there are cultures that don't > perceive sound as directional - I'd say it is for the same reason we > perceive time as directional though. We understand events to happen > one after the other, linearly, and because of that we probably model > our writing and music against them. It would be really interesting to > know though if there is a culture out there that has a kind of > rhizomatic perception of time - events branching off from each other > in a mess of lines, maybe even feeding back onto itself... I can't > imagine there are such cultures, but I bet their languages would look > cool! (Maybe to us something like paul's message...) > > Erik > > On 9/5/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >> ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot >> deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW >> >> /:b >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > -- > www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com > www.luvsound.org / www.lovelymedia.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 18:07:54 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40029-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39610 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:07:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 39592 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:07:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:07:16 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] droplifting: been there, done that To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I have been quite lately. This is just a bit too late to be > treated as new= > s. This has been done before. Many times. However, being done on > Paris i= > s well deserved.=20=20 thanks Derek we know all about droplifting and even attempted to start a microsound droplifting project a couple of years ago but it went nowhere... kinda like the book club I tried to kick-start where the only people who showed up where those who hadn't read the book! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 16:35:31 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40028-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5999 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:35:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 5989 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:35:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:35:10 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2006 Sep 05, at 11:00 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > I doubt that there are any such cultures. > > Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be > "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the > voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a > Mongolian throat singer). Sound communication of ideas doesn't have to be done just vocally. One could imagine an indigenous culture where a vocal utterance occurring simultaneously with a shuffle of feet in a pile of leaves would mean something different than the same vocal utterance with a stomping of feet on dry ground. The two sounds being inseparably intertwined. > It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try > listening to two people saying completely different things at once, > it's like an audible Necker Cube > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer > the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be > communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. > We have "harmolodics" and what a wonderful sound it is! 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Tue Sep 5 16:01:07 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40027-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.104]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta32.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90210 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:00:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 90199 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:00:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:00:33 -0500 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uFTllVcgw//bLr8NQLvMnNPhutx6SFTCRQlobXS0RBT8s+SIz3oVxNVIjhynvCOBkycWCwac7JgJDhkvMCW/EwQSRZVeIpn0+gzZkzjhM9qFMa38j+QsBUdRm3NwcCdMnY2fU7t/7kdqrBNDO5fTzKNy5Awa3yxzx2/dxc0uXCg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I doubt that there are any such cultures. Sure, the ordering of actions, objects, subjects, etc can be "reversed" in some languages, but all are limited by the fact that the voice can only make one layer of sound at a time (unless it's a Mongolian throat singer). It's also harder to process multiple lines of audio at once: try listening to two people saying completely different things at once, it's like an audible Necker Cube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube). So since we cannot layer the meaning encoded within language "harmonically," it must be communicated "melodically" or in temporal sequence. The idea would be great for a Sci-fi story though! ~Kyle On 9/5/06, erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'd be really interested to know if there are cultures that don't > perceive sound as directional - I'd say it is for the same reason we > perceive time as directional though. We understand events to happen > one after the other, linearly, and because of that we probably model > our writing and music against them. It would be really interesting to > know though if there is a culture out there that has a kind of > rhizomatic perception of time - events branching off from each other > in a mess of lines, maybe even feeding back onto itself... I can't > imagine there are such cultures, but I bet their languages would look > cool! (Maybe to us something like paul's message...) > > Erik > > On 9/5/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > > > /:b > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com > www.luvsound.org / www.lovelymedia.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 15:48:41 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40026-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85654 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:48:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 85644 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:48:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:46:20 -0500 From: erik schoster <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tta1b4WXVEYUC+2W3IC5/La1VRm7wvbjHmkdZCICtv69AoL98AmMTSWuAfL17I6A+YDNTv3Gun2o/6NwKfgtFs37ZFj60bQXIab5QiGjTQ3IscUVyDr7wcdSL1yO0EgsZbfRCO1aihUZLDixYoC0T6dOqYnC22xnt986abHg0Qo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'd be really interested to know if there are cultures that don't perceive sound as directional - I'd say it is for the same reason we perceive time as directional though. We understand events to happen one after the other, linearly, and because of that we probably model our writing and music against them. It would be really interesting to know though if there is a culture out there that has a kind of rhizomatic perception of time - events branching off from each other in a mess of lines, maybe even feeding back onto itself... I can't imagine there are such cultures, but I bet their languages would look cool! (Maybe to us something like paul's message...) Erik On 9/5/06, { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > /:b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com www.luvsound.org / www.lovelymedia.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 15:26:20 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40025-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78272 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:25:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 78257 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:25:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:25:57 -0500 From: Paul Feyertag <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <006301c6d0fb$f89bb300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_27a8g2jNIcf+m5N5ANwFCA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EcsmxaAZ6mzJcs67CIyMBN+XrY3z0Q68E0iYFfOiTdJJ+86hLBBVakqtIo5KZMQhmlBH91moj/BkkPdEpreZkyn5SQ2pYPub+w5nPN2yx3oalqz8mv59JDycBkjS2b7asiNM8/Fnlt8w9xB3PSVbe6l6urfhEsd1OnVFXfL1/Dk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <006301c6d0fb$f89bb300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_27a8g2jNIcf+m5N5ANwFCA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ''"ӎڎ"ܛӚV" "ӎOݏ ϡ"ݎυN Ԛڕӎ֕ۏɇ蚎ڕՖ̣"ۏۏԅۏ㏹ەٖ"皅ٖՕۛܖ҅"̕ N؇ږEӎG ᚅךӎ͕Ԏԇۏ܅'ӅؖƇۖӅӇه"̕֎̕"ٕڎݎ㎖ U""T 病Ӈӎ̕ʇӇ̕ӎ"݅䛎َ"ٕ̕ۏӎ"ӎՕڡ"Ҏ""ގӎއԎԇʕ -Paul --Boundary_(ID_27a8g2jNIcf+m5N5ANwFCA)-- From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 15:00:57 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40024-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68188 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:00:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 68176 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:00:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:00:03 -0500 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <006301c6d0fb$f89bb300$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I yam thee yarm!! ~ !J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com http://www.thirdwavecollective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "{ brad brace }" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR > > ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot > deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW > > /:b > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 14:53:00 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40023-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64724 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:52:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 64712 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:52:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: { brad brace } <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] sgnidroceR esreveR In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ?serutluc lla rof eurt siht sI ?raenil ?lanoitcerid eb ot deviecrep )egaugnal dna( sdnuos era yhW /:b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Sep 5 08:32:24 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40022-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60347 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:32:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 60336 invoked from network); Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:32:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:34:09 +0100 From: Jozif Goodwin <xxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] paris punk'd In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Organization: Terrapinn MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcbQQVaKMr2ddbi7RJG935sDZ0iyGAAhK1aw X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Brilliant Love it! Banksy is a genius -----Original Message----- From: Kim Cascone [mailto:xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx] Sent: 04 September 2006 17:47 To: microsound_list Subject: [microsound] paris punk'd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUl9Mxbh1E this is brilliant...it couldn't have happened to a nicer person but the act of droplifting is also very interesting from a cultural perspective ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 4 18:24:56 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40021-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28682 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:24:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 28672 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:24:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:24:35 -0500 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] paris punk'd In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=MACINTOSH; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Flickr photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sharl/sets/72157594266743665/ Rod --- Now playing: qY@isycEcAGV wj - ޗǖ@@t@ߖut߁v@5-̖߁iOi| tFvۉGj --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 4 16:47:30 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40020-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95689 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:47:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 95677 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:47:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:47:13 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] paris punk'd To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_y6qCHJ4sORgLI+MwbVCtBw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_y6qCHJ4sORgLI+MwbVCtBw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUl9Mxbh1E this is brilliant...it couldn't have happened to a nicer person but the act of droplifting is also very interesting from a cultural perspective --Boundary_(ID_y6qCHJ4sORgLI+MwbVCtBw)-- From ???@??? Mon Sep 4 09:33:55 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40019-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67761 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:33:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 67723 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:33:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:33:22 -0400 From: xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] example of droplifting To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (microsound) Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-AOL-IP: 193.61.255.87 X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 3 cheers for Banksy - one of the best stencillers in the UK IMO :))) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 4 08:21:14 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40018-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29958 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 08:21:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 29947 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 08:21:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:23:01 +0100 From: Jozif Goodwin <xxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] example of droplifting In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: 'microsound' <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Organization: Terrapinn MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-index: AcbPff0NjC79MMxHTdWSBnEI5ybzOQAfVVyw X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Brilliant! -----Original Message----- From: Kim Cascone [mailto:xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx] Sent: 03 September 2006 18:29 To: microsound_list Subject: [microsound] example of droplifting http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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Mon Sep 4 03:35:53 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40017-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54369 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:35:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 54359 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:35:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:37:40 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] example of droplifting X-Originating-IP: 68.49.52.232 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.37) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Sep 2006 03:37:32 -0000 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay people. I have been quite lately. This is just a bit too late to be treated as news. This has been done before. Many times. However, being done on Paris is well deserved. Here are a couple of links that describe what has been done years before. http://fsfs.signmyguestbook.com/ http://www.freespeechforsale.com/ Derek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: [microsound] example of droplifting > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:28:56 -0700 > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Sep 4 01:31:13 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40016-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20349 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:30:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 20336 invoked from network); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:30:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:26:25 -0400 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] example of droplifting In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx poor paris. my heart goes out to her. all she wants to do is... sing. On 3-Sep-06, at 1:28 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Sep 3 20:49:46 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40015-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31044 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:49:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 30978 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:49:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:47:43 +0200 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] example of droplifting In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S6uGdvmUJPFttiv5hIIA5wzeQTX42+krsNzwwjOAP8qpCzfBqKSnn/ZyuTfKWoEcdaCo4CEx7gCqWM0ezlnem35+4TeeaoVs+0zKvmb3NbsklWZSmv0lo6P3EE2V7ipSqjjSZhwQSNPsySKAH/C8Wj6877qmdHml5OCWhhyWmL8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx oh, his other works are super as well! Andras Bitlab/Cod 2006/9/3, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Sep 3 17:29:12 2006 Return-path: <microsound-return-40014-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60501 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:29:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 60490 invoked from network); Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:29:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 10:28:56 -0700 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] example of droplifting To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ASK0h1koWAz+RKcSsX8UHQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ASK0h1koWAz+RKcSsX8UHQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm --Boundary_(ID_ASK0h1koWAz+RKcSsX8UHQ)--