From benjamin c acree Sent Thu, Feb 1st 2007, 03:51
I think that the idea that somehow asia has been "passed the cultural baton" is already a banality and flatly untrue. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 02:16:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41466-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70165 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:17:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 70148 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:17:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:16:13 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-3128A654B19A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Milan Davidovic wrote on 1/31/07 at 6:07 PM >Thank goodness; do you know hard it is to hold a coffee and a muffin >AND a cultural baton all at the same time? Perhaps I should have said "passed the Stalin belt": <http://i11.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/88/82/f2b4_1_b.JPG> Best, vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 01:16:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41465-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32697 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:17:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 32684 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:17:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: gq1.qi4VM1mkyNB9VByCg34phAjU7RE6P5Bp3Cx79Th_Vu2OVIBgvIO8Xe27AnnoR165c69wG7ZVaukwlq6cr_NY058kR8hiMdrXBLKmVFWY1mfdL9A- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A discussion about style?!! Please proceed! -Adrian --- Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > what was the style of chinese gabber that someone > mentioned a while back? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 01:15:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41464-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30902 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:16:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 30891 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:16:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <r02010500-1048-4C7A5E8AB18F11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: dIKme7wVM1lr_IJqwqR4HgbGQiMtiJtBfn_fEmCRAtgzZDVsR1Xrj7DAj5Z8ttl954G9FGi81w1MMjy9xn1e1FPSogYvyZ9HZbnXw2Wk17SMaLlxFzNFkWQO9_9hYohtqu8azdRtp_PP..o- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx That's beside the point... I googled there fore I am. -Adrian --- Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Well, if you're going to use the wikipedia as the final authority, > you > should at least investigate their entry on Bhangra, which I wouldn't > exactly call "indian pop" considering its rather long history as a > folk > music in the Punjab... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 00:58:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41463-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19517 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:59:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 19507 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:59:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:15 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-4C7A5E8AB18F11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote on 1/31/07 at 6:06 PM >Sagoo grew up in "Birmingham, England, in a predominantly Black >neighbourhood, influenced by disco, rap and Motown music". So I see >that as western influence on indian pop music.. not the other way >around. Well, if you're going to use the wikipedia as the final authority, you should at least investigate their entry on Bhangra, which I wouldn't exactly call "indian pop" considering its rather long history as a folk music in the Punjab... Best, vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 00:27:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41462-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95177 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:28:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 95158 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:28:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <r02010500-1048-7365EE16B17A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lvTql2M8oiR24iQ5ZR5vTtWgLKHr6YhEPOTp620yfnUnR250rHQNFfm7lLvkp+SjsCpyogEt+2XWa0viIYQC7XeYg6PgKATMKmxLl8HcZamEbwnt8490LZCUsgz2dwMepSA6DsB4/hfXoTHqK/HbsgYkF7vGqNyqWIKpLv19qK0= ; X-YMail-OSG: tUHwrvgVM1k2DxPgIv7NbQOV2HJMTqQkVzJ5.ZMn5HFoig8FKGHF_G8mVlyZ5RNd0Wnu54sBlMGBnIT0h.R2vhAa2Bx.PLoz2ki7_9K0byhAKPX3b0gsuw3tIfaclJJv2y1z5cCFPNCBvZ4- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what was the style of chinese gabber that someone mentioned a while back? --- Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Xdugef wrote on 1/31/07 at 4:16 PM > > >So can we expect to see all the hot new club hits > to come out of india > >and china? Maybe a new genre will emerge called > RedChilloutAmbient? > > I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long > time ago, it's just > that "Westerners" will be the last to know. > > You might want to check out Bally Sagoo or Seo Taiji > for a start. > > Best, vatic > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 23:35:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41461-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57138 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:37:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 57109 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:37:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:35:39 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ian Reddy wrote: > My experience has been that if I look at a work of > art I know nothing about, it still triggers connections to things I've > experienced sure, but are those connections where the emotions come from, or are they something else? When I look at a work of art I know nothing about there are two parallel response processes - a) emotional/ physical/ physiological and b) intelluctual/ philosophical. Both happen in parallel. I'm not sure if they normally influence each other or not, but my instinct says they can even if they don't always. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 23:07:29 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41460-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32408 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 32384 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:05 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pULKzkNDbgXfJMeP5xLbnVN1/S6qa6ZGcaTp9gOMoKw3j38DSgi7h1J8H4eA4OOXe//3CWRCvBZNzNPrLjMkjvuTKlSmUN5V4uKKZrFJdaiBhZliXu/i9KVnVY9DWvbPaqI3mYc/TkdNzdk5NRdzEH7Y1d0otthfLs84xa9ZQf0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/31/07, Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long time ago, it's just > that "Westerners" will be the last to know. Thank goodness; do you know hard it is to hold a coffee and a muffin AND a cultural baton all at the same time? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 23:07:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41459-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31549 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 31512 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <r02010500-1048-7365EE16B17A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: ANkytpwVM1kV1r5PKVyQPWtoOI9ssnCeuozyFhSERlxnPY8OspxPBwvOkb10Guz5NkHzPlfczYAJhHXsgVGyVXH5Ae3tqCQ2_uywNawXl_Qrm57tyww- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long time ago, it's > just that "Westerners" will be the last to know. Last to know or last to care? > You might want to check out Bally Sagoo or Seo Taiji for a start. What about them? I don't see how the economy's of their countries of origin having much to do with their being talented or determined. Sagoo grew up in "Birmingham, England, in a predominantly Black neighbourhood, influenced by disco, rap and Motown music". So I see that as western influence on indian pop music.. not the other way around. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 22:29:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41458-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98031 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 98015 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:28:59 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-7365EE16B17A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote on 1/31/07 at 4:16 PM >So can we expect to see all the hot new club hits to come out of india >and china? Maybe a new genre will emerge called RedChilloutAmbient? I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long time ago, it's just that "Westerners" will be the last to know. You might want to check out Bally Sagoo or Seo Taiji for a start. Best, vatic --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 21:17:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41457-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39934 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:18:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 39911 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:18:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Up.hR8gVM1kBcHP4aIFp7eVtEZoTM95ZrzgILZvDX8agIbINPCqhyYRW4aJvrm1XLh1NZxyxFoSwFyk4QzPcLxK_gK5KaLysQNzxUmE3RCrShifrtdySYIiN2yShycb1dnJ3Qrt9wQYM_Is- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx So can we expect to see all the hot new club hits to come out of india and china? Maybe a new genre will emerge called RedChilloutAmbient? Maybe I could hire some programmers in india to write max patches for me so I can cash in on the new global economy? -Adrian "The great transnational consortiums, principal agents in the process of integration of economic blocks, are located in those nations where they obtain most benefits and where the salaries or government charges are lowest, and as globalization advances, they are organized to assume more power and dominion. In this way, multinational industries are turned into true financial powers who enter into competition with the economies of nations, they weaken them and destroy the means of sustenance of marginalized and rural communities; thus, at a time when the generation of wealth diminishes in many countries, because of international competition, the distribution of income becomes all the time more unequal, to the detriment of the weakest. (Roman, 2004: 45) " --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > One of the most interesting philosophers of aesthetics I've read is > > Stefan Morawski, whose book: _Inquiries into the Fundamentals of > > Aesthetics_ (MIT Press, 1974) is the best english language > > statement of > > his thinking. > > thanks for doing this! > also, I uploaded: > Fibreculture Journal Issue 5.pdf > 'Speculations on a Marxist theory of the Virtual Revolution' > > for any .microsounders who might have an interest in reading it > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 18:20:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41456-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7548 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 7535 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:19:45 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] atomique To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > in no particular place....just a bunch of atoms, it seems. bits are electrons or photons...not atoms...sorry, couldn't resist ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:56:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41455-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85280 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:58:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 85270 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:58:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:56:40 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] repository To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qgXy5hfcB2NlfRvq7i9DtQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qgXy5hfcB2NlfRvq7i9DtQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One of the most interesting philosophers of aesthetics I've read is > Stefan Morawski, whose book: _Inquiries into the Fundamentals of > Aesthetics_ (MIT Press, 1974) is the best english language > statement of > his thinking. thanks for doing this! also, I uploaded: Fibreculture Journal Issue 5.pdf 'Speculations on a Marxist theory of the Virtual Revolution' for any .microsounders who might have an interest in reading it --Boundary_(ID_qgXy5hfcB2NlfRvq7i9DtQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:09:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41454-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47852 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:10:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 47832 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:10:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: yV.CQE0VM1mnj7RPm_FbILNRxdkuA45tdyRqf.ktGnHI19RQsEln8jvHHVFKLXfLqXgpGmDqhzqweumaF9d21mQctxFu9HkPiLKsnkIz9w9WZT43ewg- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > No, you can enjoy art without a point of reference. But when do you > ever actually do that? My experience has been that if I look at a > work of > art I know nothing about, it still triggers connections to things > I've > experienced Som epeople can but many people can't or won't or feel uncomfortable and don't know what to do with themselves. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:08:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41453-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46568 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:09:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 46556 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:09:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:08:19 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: dongle question In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kS3D3f3TvdOCLrZbxx+VS9/Ko4WBwDjYFp2EqEiDi5Oe0XWO376zAlN6aPyFEH1qJY3ZjPa3S8s6Nqsu1H9gc4dTS5SMDYqNRly3m+CuUPSWGIy3ClXMuJsYixMFggZrw43qTa1N7gVkDWuHwTcKxj8Yg8qtlVXwG83zxlQWMXg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay, thanks to Beau Sievers for the link to the Logic Users site. I'll take it from here. And thanks everyone to your indulgence of my off-topic post. We now return you to your regular programming... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:05:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41452-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43705 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:06:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 43692 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:06:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Ufw91UAVM1lnkYb1szmTKd6SI6tJE5_0nsh4d0gFpg2M7ov.LH5WUARXGU__1j7e6HgG7S24P60aEerJZ4UpWbxDEWcVvZL7cCuQ.8rEI2oZP5qppHQ- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > > specialists in transcendence > > > production. > > > > Who authorizes these things? > > > > oh, dont tell him! Where can I apply for an art license? I authorize the use paragraphs every once and awhile. ;-) -adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:40:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41451-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83754 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 83741 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:11 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Is a point of reference required in order to appreciate art? I often >mull this over. I do not think that it is but the context of said >piece does change when an informed point of reference is present. I >do think that ones perception changes when you have an informed point >of reference about any artwork. Does that make it more enjoyable? I >do not think so, even though that opinion contradicts my applied logic. No, you can enjoy art without a point of reference. But when do you ever actually do that? My experience has been that if I look at a work of art I know nothing about, it still triggers connections to things I've experienced --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:36:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41450-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79790 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:38:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 79770 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:38:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >i appreciate your comemnt but i am not quite >completely at ease with the projection concept, unless >you view it as a two-way street. about no work of art >being "raw emotional outburst" that confuses the >issues of projection even further. one can very well >create the conditions for spontaneous (what do we >actually mean by "raw") feeling in a work of music and by 'raw' I meat the emotion as you experience, which I don't beleive can be transposed into words or 'transmitted' in any way. It is internal and wordless, to say 'I'm angry' in an angry tone of voice is a byproduct of being angry, it is not the emotion of anger, it is an expression of anger mediated by language. >maybe, owing to the possibilities of improvising, >music is, among all the arts, uniquely capable of this >kind of projection. anyone who has ever heard some of >the great jazz players can tell you that there are >moments of this music where you know that this feeling >is of this moment and in a certain sense the emotion >is certainly raw even though there is a structure, a I'm unwilling to take the jazz musicians word for it that there is 'raw emotion' in their music. To me it seems to be a false assertion. I say the jazz musicians are acting out their emotions through jazz. They may be feeling a great enthusiasm for the music they're playing, but their music is a byproduct of that feeling which is mediated by the cultural form of jazz. >launchpad, so to speak. (drawing also has this >capacity as well!) i suppose you would say in response >that this is just a case where i have accepted my >projection as reality. and yet, what is the overall >goal of a work of music? i argue that it is to create >this plane where emotions and thoughts come together >in such a mingling of projections that we are inspired >and linked together in the experience. the great works While I don't think works of music have particualr goals I think your statement has merit. And I am not (or if I have...I will say that I don't, at the point of this line of text) denying that music can provoke emotion BUT I don't think 'emotion' is an inherent property to a work, emotion is something that may have been felt by the artist in production of the work, or a work may be coded to refer to certain emotions, or perceptions of emotion may be devined from the work. 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Wed Jan 31 15:35:10 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41449-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78006 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:36:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 77995 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:36:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:34:46 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Is a point of reference required in order to appreciate art? I often mull this over. I do not think that it is but the context of said piece does change when an informed point of reference is present. I do think that ones perception changes when you have an informed point of reference about any artwork. Does that make it more enjoyable? I do not think so, even though that opinion contradicts my applied logic. aLEKs On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Ian Reddy wrote: > > I think you should research heavily into Egyptian art before you > say it > was made for the purpose of being beautiful. It was not made to be > beautiful, and was largely made (as was most ancient art) for > ritual or > religious purposes. Personally I doubt the existance of 'universal > art' > (although I'm not sure what is meant by that) but if it's simply > art you > and your friend find to be beautiful without knowing about it then I'm > sure universal art abounds. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:21:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41448-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65899 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:22:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 65882 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:22:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Beauty is, I believe, a cultural or personal value. > >I was talking about whether art is universal with my other friend the >other day. There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently on in the >museum, and she was using it as proof of the existence of universal art: >it had been made for the purpose of being beautiful, and beautiful was >how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing about Egyptian culture >or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. I think you should research heavily into Egyptian art before you say it was made for the purpose of being beautiful. It was not made to be beautiful, and was largely made (as was most ancient art) for ritual or religious purposes. Personally I doubt the existance of 'universal art' (although I'm not sure what is meant by that) but if it's simply art you and your friend find to be beautiful without knowing about it then I'm sure universal art abounds. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:14:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41447-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58938 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:15:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 58928 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:15:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:14:25 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Ian Reddy wrote: >> > Also certain sounds are >> > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such >> as the >> > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) > >Explain more about the cultural construction that connects low droning >sounds to a feeling either gloom or otherwise? Just consider the fact that ambient music which features low droning sounds is often referred to as 'dark ambient' when darkness is not an inherent property of the music. Darkness is, in turn, associated with negative feelings (as well as a number of other things in some fairly well known binaries, light/dark is analogous to good/evil, happy/sad, intelligence/ignorance etc.) So these connections form between things that aren't inherently connected, and they form through language and culture. And that's how sounds become connected to emotions I think. You are not obligated to invest into these connections, of course, and therefore it's reasonable that one wouldn't necessarily think of low drones as being connected to any emotions or anything in particular. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 14:53:54 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41446-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44799 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:55:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 44787 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:55:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QAgYyeI77TV1Zo/8f4QQfDwN+CKF3qr2nwt90uaICXR6uuZvOmZjmQFxafDwUFYaQSTqArb1A8Mt+fw8S2xrCnpDDOM46pWNJANvJwb3Gtq41EfIKqeEdagXR90Tv34KSJliE4E4wJ1NnxSyahK99Aw9V2U24p7E+b2hrxnbqCU=; X-YMail-OSG: 4AKUDYgVM1nS3jTiFGqdfDzEX5ud7HGMhPWaY.2YFh1gB8L7nil8ncphCwR0FgwFGIMCbkLiBQoPA74UblcMlQO.tsKM1zYGdlmrqPRb_u_1TfwxvHjXrKW2A.V8gtl.gZM_K1VCtbrP9g-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx in the case of the egyptians or fetishes we must think of beauty as not only a relation to surfaces but to the utility of the object. tomb art is designed to assist passage to another world or to keep the dead happy being dead and not have them bother us! in a curious twist of meanings, i began to rethink the realm of the dead as being capitalistic reality and all the beautiful objects which keep us placated here as being quite similar to these mummified cats and monkeys you see in and around sarcophagii (which means "corpse eaters"). our body in capitalism is made of time. we are consumers of time more than anything else. --jeff gburek --- Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > >There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently > on in > > the > > museum, and she was using it as proof of the > existence of universal > > art: > > it had been made for the purpose of being > beautiful, and beautiful > > was > > how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing > about Egyptian > > culture > > or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. > > Hmm.... fetishes have been around since the dawn of > mankind... the > simple fact that someone obviously spent a great of > time and effort > inspires curiousity, awe and an appreciation of the > skill and labour > involved... I beleive this can exist otuside of any > cultural > boundaries. > > I don't agree that those items were made simply to > be beautiful > either.. unless in this case you consider a tomb to > be the same as a > gallery. > > -Adrian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 14:23:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41445-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24235 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:24:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 24190 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:24:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:22:53 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3aHHxPn1fPydzouIRt6Qtgw5XNRQeGi2qzaznElIcEjiNqqdxKdtgwSkgZJ8XA1ayhSY2utmd3cErmSJDg2ApKiZSGkpFaBQqnbwFSyjsvmG0T6d1bNVnQ2u2Gxrv8cJWztLBm42XCN+1aXVMj7yY65aWwOifTLGBv+8NG9BcBU=; X-YMail-OSG: 93Er0iUVM1kG9DSSZz47BYEoXjIpvZxOjkHClOSS5u4v6w6ZPiNFpW9kxt_VHHpvSkwhsDEimebo06ude2dQcLbnsKlzItTbO3rgVDp6GMP2NHvK49B35pJCq8H_xwLI4TY.3XiZuHtKo44CZ.arAF69 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > Also certain sounds are > > culturally constructed as being connected to > certain emotions (such as the > > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of > gloom) > > I find low droning sounds connected to feelings of > calm, solidarity, > stability, and a resting place, especially when > they're accompanied by a > bit of white noise, for example in large-scale > air-conditioning systems. > (Air-con can make beautiful, beautiful noises). It's > only when they're > dissonant that they're gloomy. this is also mind-blowing. i am often dealing with this very discrepnancy over what drones "signify" for people...a friend recently did a compare contrast doing extreme nosie drones and placing tracks of acoustic tamboura drones and harmonium next to them. the volume level is often the only thing that makes for the tension we might associate with the dissonant drone as opposed to the harmonized one. but arent all drones in a sense harmonized? even if the intervals are not standard pitch intervals it is their constant relation to one another that gives it the quality of drone? -jg > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. 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Wed Jan 31 14:13:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41444-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17755 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:14:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 17745 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:14:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:13:35 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ohh9uvrTg/Yn7pbfSAqKYalLxeUdCvmW/6Nujx9cpXgRT0ENj6THPnwtd6h0iLXUgo0Pwcb4hHnsljcJJoD381PxVECDugDmh5QXyCQgTSgCeGtaPX7B0uzLEpY2gGnHgqRfFWBTqYHrn/iSvf5nTn90NbXd6OyFytgczLJ1br0=; X-YMail-OSG: lASWBWAVM1nK.1EsWc.Hlbtn8XbRXiSrpRVhXJSKeO6Z6BvvUgsI16IXTq_UIljVhiRoAKl8PkCj6425UNx5_7fyOGAPpiGLIL7hUdSosLGj3DX96zIq2bdR5vz5aFaEPPukSbE8ElUH9RwIRj6KELJF X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes, i find sense of wonder related to beauty...but beauty has been destroyed, related to the deceptive, the bearer of illusions...so that we can only invoke beauty if we are going to deal with something that is almost its opposite --jg --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > David Powers wrote: > > > Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You > can encode a set of > > gestures into a piece of music, that (given a > culturally homogenous > > group with known conditioning) has a high > probability of provoking an > > emotional response. However, if you played the > music for someone who > > lacked the relevant cultural context and > conditioning, there would be > > no emotional response. > > Does this mean there is no such thing as universal > art? > > ... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I > believe it is, but I was > having an interesting discussion with my flatmate > the other morning > where she was saying that she didn't think that it > was. > > I wonder if that means that in order to describe > microsound as > 'emotional' one has to broaden one's idea about what > an emotion is. > Defenders of scifi writing are sometimes in the same > boat, finding > themselves having to argue that sense-of-wonder is > an emotion, just to > counter claims that scifi is unemotional. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. 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Wed Jan 31 14:10:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41443-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14905 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:11:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 14894 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:11:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pK819s4HWu/0DjsEXyZrhyAzVJkJiQVJe6x0ilZxTwBjzZ7M/sg7T4Nht8jsyQQ4tFm6e2d0r04pFvuqmWC448kUMYbfgzrfEWtOS9ATZaNNkqjelkxemqMt7R7yq958aYlSWjjO25TiMhS40PzBf1sQyvR480BZSHRDaxtuNww=; X-YMail-OSG: hRta8wgVM1mdAS_y0WyY5og68a.CwrVV60M7vI4d5NbGK6.1ApeWMm6ZW_q9s5x1VcetimIfdGMLHsDJc66KtfBSfkvNeyT0osSxsVKwx0km.1TWW5qS3ftstwhTTiN12h2y4UajCR0qJr7zEFaLzwJn X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the problem of transcendance is always what you do afterwards! my experience of this kind of social activity was before techno and raves. and it was on the burning shores of california where it was happening. i think not instutions but the overall cultural vibe is what gives rise to these possibilities. what existed in the eighties in the bay area is quite different than what we see now. more parallel is the berlin i live in now where the war destruction, partition of the city and the slow economic development has left these strange unused architectural spaces and people disenchanted with the mainstream can make some of their dreams come true there. but we are at the tailend of it i think. there are always discussions about noise complaints here now. the need to sleep is big problem. (that also is a form of transcendance!). i think the strangest experience of transcendance i had recently in berlin was when a theater group did a piece on prohibition and then had 20's era party with a dj spinning only 78's. it was certainly problemmatic for the american (me) to see these whities dancing around to big band music when i am aware of the politics of black and white in that era. but nevertheless, they managed to run the thing for two whole months twice a week and it was packed always until the wee hours, i myself being under the spell and often not leaving until 5:30 am. i am curious why, because many of them where people in their twenties (so it is a numeric thing,hmmm). it was really a place out of time (and yet in time fixed, by its vestigial cultural trappings). it is in such a sphere that one encounters the ghosts of our cultures. the symbol of the american big band and its reception by the germans in the era of the nazis. the music of our genetic forebears. when death was probable and life needed to be now? best, jeff gburek --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Stephen Hastings-King wrote: > > > the business of > > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized > specialists in transcendence > > production. there are special buildings around > where you can go to look at > > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > specialists in transcendence > > production. > > I'm currently undergoing an intense period of > research into techno music > (of the Detroit/New York/Chicago variety) and these > sentences resonate > strongly with the construction of the techno gig and > the role of the DJ > therein. I'm also helping organise a techno party > which happens in two > weeks and we find ourselves having discussions about > how to bring about > this production of transcendance through the > production of the party. > > Interesting... > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 13:45:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41442-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98468 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:46:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 98448 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:46:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GAvdp9gYRxl6EA9RliJaXH3PSIuesBAkEx4lHVak7XKGWY2bhM62P2kjqZDlw6pcug8L/r8FZNipgfvliWvs76M++UWxSPmdbadNG9SNBza/oA5+QtcZYplwSL+XDNWdZ1vSPnvRpxNGVoYGN4oKqkS1caj26RVqjQlytKTTcRU=; X-YMail-OSG: ztbvl.0VM1nVeAifNwK7C9EGkBB3fOUwFleDMUm_TnE2x63QTmMyoigtmHgrwbzHfUnw3nTYUCdaJw0T.BA_Eoo9EC_bq0f6C4Xr2hgj4dteJ5DH8i0HPMc.dmFQOao04euBOLidGbXJ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > specialists in transcendence > > production. > > Who authorizes these things? > oh, dont tell him! j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. 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Wed Jan 31 13:44:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41441-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97111 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:45:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 97099 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:45:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zrQRbRCwfhY2BvfbQLtyL1r1vdRRvtTNjvsdQC6LUztyW7q1Vcmo1IOfXwZnUshgp/w6qAB40PNokCgxsj0G2I9DXGchctmkQT6TVN45cicRI5iOgHnAPgIN5g50MgHR4vbqGzqj819o3iILWS8TTRGiRn86UB8wKHVojttAJFA=; X-YMail-OSG: pDNbplAVM1k38Na5fGrjWk4exS.gpBGz4R5rRYsZcj.J0u6HYOA8GNKhbJd0k5dqJdT14yi3aN2JDtfp6NuQWajavJ7WkQUvxnrh092wgXS9SguGqf9P9CkPzPvsLUgQiIKZcG90omXwqsUUhrYvoOiQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx david, of course there is no way to "insert" emotions into the body of the audience members. but, to take it from the pint of view of theater, the evolution of radical theater is partcularly useful to think about in this context. particukarly polish theater, developing a certain kind of guardedness concerning the role of language or direct statement and putting the responsibilty of the actors to become vessels for a feeling or a form of thought that, owing to repressive condtions, had to go partly unspoken. i still have the feeling that this is quite essential to creating certain kinds of work, although not every work of art needs to adopt such principles. in a certain way, as when pasolini spoke about each film "reinventing" cinema, works have need to find a plateau wherein they particpate in something actually more archaic, to bring the origin forward so to speak. there are degress to which i feel personally disinterested in those kinds of theater that have tried to "simulate" the so-called "dromenon" of the greeks. and greek avant-garde music is filled with this tendency too which, by and large, i find myself before an off-putting kind of massive block that is saying "HERE IS THIS EMOTION FEEL IT OR DIE". i think of christou's work as being peculiarly free of this overblown sentiment and when you hear the cacophony he creates i get a sense of propulsion into emotional territories that ask large questions. in a culture of overkill, more sensitive people can find a feeling in understatement. but the emotion particular to microsound i find to be quite another story. there is an emotional range that is interesting but, as has been pointed out, if there are no words, it is more likely that one experiences maybe a freedom from emotions, a sense of clearing and possibility. we need this feeling of course. but it is not the only thing that needs expressing. --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> > wrote: > > I think that in art, emotion is something either > projected > > onto the work or it is something acted out by the > performer. > > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - > that's impossible > > as art and music are obviously mediated through > the intellect > > and already existing cultural forms. > > Yes, I was hoping someone would point this out, > thank you! > > As I have insisted in the past, I must once again > point out how > flawed I think the model of communication is, that > implies that a > creator is able to directly insert an emotion into a > piece. This is > impossible - emotion is a chemical response in the > individual to > various stimuli. The work of art is not a container. > If an actor in a > play is angry onstage, and starts screaming, it > doesn't make me angry. > > Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You can > encode a set of > gestures into a piece of music, that (given a > culturally homogenous > group with known conditioning) has a high > probability of provoking an > emotional response. However, if you played the music > for someone who > lacked the relevant cultural context and > conditioning, there would be > no emotional response. > > Note that attempting to specifically provoke > emotional responses is an > aesthetic choice on the part of the creator. > Alternately, creator can > design artistic pieces using very minimal grammars > and avoiding > linguistic elements that provoke obvious responses. > Such artwork may > appear more cerebral to the average observer - > though there is still > the possibility that by virtue of its construction > and the particular > mindset and manner of observation, the artwork will > nevertheless > provoke an emotional response. > > Finally, words are intimately connected with power > and control. The > level of conditioned response to language is high, > so it's likely that > lyric-based music does have a higher probability of > provoking an > emotional response in observers that can interpret > the linguistic > statements correctly (ie. you must know the language > being used). > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 13:08:50 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41440-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78179 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:09:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 78168 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:09:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:08:34 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ctCgNcL8ah6fKiJ07tRI+1nZP3S6D3ScjrUmvW+v7ocWseOR9rgNTGnFFu0NYKUp14pmo/KmsDHNvngzYdws+Rx4FiQk/FIJ0kLPyNJwZdzxAPloZ0DHtoqmijT4BNlyh8RYXhiEk3RwEpz3STEx6aLX/WHpMJ5AugbrF+kmVkE=; X-YMail-OSG: mD4.BDwVM1kSoTMgqNAK0UkIcVVrGwwIuO4kkeYT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx stephen, your thinking is, as usual, very dense and quite interesting to me. and i know you have given time to the questions of improvisation, so if you can indulge a sense of immediacy, can i not also say that we indulge the structures of society with a similar shrug of suspicion? one of the reasons i have chosen to work outside the frameworks of institutions is of course to address them with the important reference to something they have displaced themselves upon. this is done perhaps with a sense of naivety that i find implicit in the structures themselves. as i have been working on themes of medieval mystics, i am reading a book, in italian, but i believe it is written in english, called la santa anoressia, by a man named bell. in this context, the religious experience is recast, in the analysis of interpreting the psychology of the eating habits of some of these woman saints, as a struggle for personal autonomy. here i see perfect accordance with your theories of the dependancy of the existing social and political context driving a kind of behaviour pattern towards a personal compromise with the repressive powers that allows one a freedom to influence the world. the case of catherine of siena as best example. but the plane on which these things were done is very different from our own. in her case she developed her behaviours with the support of institutionalized mystical experience which, owing to the perceptions of heresy, were nevertheless very dangerous. but perhaps the sense of danger is the one that is most important to refer to in terms of the institutions. for what a great work is going to achieve is going to be pushing the way we think to extremes that must seem dangerous. (think in the modern context of berg's wozzeck and the fragmets of buechner they are based upon, listen to what this work says about the world, poverty etc.) the danger is that we create something that is incoherent and it will not be recieved by society. the despair that accompanies it is that one has not "done anything". whereas, there is another level of personal reception where one can feel the work transmits what is neccessary through those few people who are capable of recieving it. most artists will work only in this way the whole of their lives. you will probably never hear my music. but my music has had an effect on people. there are too many people and in the end too many structures in the world for an artist to be bound by and in the end one has to deal with only those that prevent the work from going on. often i have the feeling of a big truth: the institutions are not aware of the reality of obscurity. this obsucrity and anonymity are the primary conditions of humanity. a great work must take them into consideration. best, jeff gburek --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > projections involve responses shaped by > (social-historical) rule sets (or > institutions). > these rules range from genre outward to quite broad > social matters. > any response to any cultural object involves rules. > questions concerning the origin, nature, > institutional enframedness, > legitimacy and binding nature of these rules are all > political. > so it follows that the most useful ways to stage > these questions may well be > found in political philosophy--or in philosophy more > generally---and not in > discussions too narrowly focused on directly musical > questions--or on > aesthetic philosophy. aesthetics is a subset of > larger-scale normative > frameworks. it is not a free-floating area of > thought. aesthetic > philosophy is among the densest type of ideological > thinking: existing > social norms are most thoroughly in force around > definitions of that which > transcends them. transcendence needs to be > controlled, quarantined, placed > socially and politically in authorized spaces. the > business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized > specialists in transcendence > production. there are special buildings around > where you can go to look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > specialists in transcendence > production. while you are visiting, you can have a > Moment during which you > loose yourself. this sense of loss of oneself is > not one of freedom from > instituted social norms: it is a total projection > through those norms: you > presuppose them in the act of forgetting about them. > > while i think that the only coherent relation to the > marxist tradition at > this point has to be predicated on closure (in the > decon/heidegger/nietzsche > sense, in the "closure of western metaphysics" > sense)--anything that enables > folk to relativize their social position and by > extension to relativise > their responses is a good thing. because it is only > in relativizing your > responses that you can start to see the structures > that shape those > responses. these structures are indices of what > binds you to what exists, > of the extent to which you reproduce it, the extent > to which you are it. > it is good, i think, to be suspicous of immediacy. > it is also good not to > loose the ability to indulge immediacy. but it is > good to be suspicious of > it. > > stephen > > On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> > wrote: > > > > >one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they > hit > > >you, when you are alone, for example, this > perosnal > > >experience, when you hear something cool, that > you > > >dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it > creates > > >this separation from alienation, this curiously > > >numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone > else > > >says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you > hear the > > >really great first album, or someone say its crap > and > > >you no longer feel intimate with it even if you > dont > > >care what someone else thinks. what the blogger > guy > > >says makes sense in terms of emotional range > only. is > > >all digital music in a sense governed by an irony > > >(related to a high level of self-consciousness) > that > > >doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni > mitchell > > >might sing about? does the full range of human > emotion > > >demand words or demand the discarding of words? > > >anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, > your > > >wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. > > > > I think that in art, emotion is something either > projected > > onto the work or it is something acted out by the > performer. > > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - > that's impossible > > as art and music are obviously mediated through > the intellect > > and already existing cultural forms. I suggest > that Joni Mitchel is > > performing her emotions through song. Also > certain sounds are > > culturally constructed as being connected to > certain emotions (such as the > > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of > gloom) and the artist > > often exploits these connections or we simply > project them onto a > > work. So....in brief I do think that art can > provoke an emotional > > response BUT I also think the emotion we > experience is drastically > > different from the emotion we speak of as being > present in art, and > > probably not the same thing at all. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 07:27:11 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41438-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33028 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:28:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 33015 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:28:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:27:22 +0000 From: Peter Plessas <xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: dongle question In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Scanner: SpamAssassin 3.001007 X-Spam-Score-relay: -2.6 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 129.27.10.19 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Milan, Milan Davidovic wrote: > So, it's like this: I've come into possession of an old version of > Logic. The disc is for Mac and Windows, but the dongle is only for > Mac. I've got an old Windows machine. > > I'm thinking "ADB to RS-232 adapter", but my initial Google searches > suggest that such a thing may not exist. > > Options? sell it on ebay... sorry, Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 08:08:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41439-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50683 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:09:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 50670 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:09:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:12:04 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200702c1e5f845bd2b@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Stephen Hastings-King wrote (albeit snipped a bit): >digits just turn. stuff happens. it falls into a void. A pure, elegant piece of philosophy, free of all pretension and intellectual wanking - quite possibly all the philosophy anyone ever needs to know. R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 02:48:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41437-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24487 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:49:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 24476 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:49:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:48:27 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OT: dongle question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Yvg4ppYbhDwZpkhgwd0tFGPIzV0vr3ee6IQlUC3qiRn5iGbUPVWyPktGUBTghd4ruf3LJzMVr4HTVbcnkfBwIV34xi0jO27uUPvrD1nIwMIh2EtpIwFMu64YSc7nRQ5Hs1Krie0ze8Upq0UBATNt2y2BY+FJl2Xh+WlKBgk090s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx First, apologies for the OT question -- I'm not subscribed to anything else where i could ask this. Second, this might make you laugh; go ahead, I can take it. So, it's like this: I've come into possession of an old version of Logic. The disc is for Mac and Windows, but the dongle is only for Mac. I've got an old Windows machine. I'm thinking "ADB to RS-232 adapter", but my initial Google searches suggest that such a thing may not exist. Options? Many thanks... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 00:43:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41436-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72445 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:44:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 72431 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:44:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:43:38 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cjSlk67nc3EQSlreztweDA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NHmn8jloyMX2Eho9FyHm62k7zD7KwabM2QRnyhw0VhXAGd96QYsJ15wWm8BUm7piKqHyTQFsyl00dzx8sHDbJdViPh/pMKq+T1R4BYRcDs3h2lZ3xrWfiWL/3QQ/UP3X7yLWTP9t7wS7pM0H5V07IRkWjPUky/FYTkgmGMtAYwU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_cjSlk67nc3EQSlreztweDA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adrian: i dont see any particular limits to what is discussed that can be drawn using microsound as a placeholder. i just dont. so far as i am concerned at any rate, microsound--whatever that means, really--is like any other type of cultural work, operating in the same context, subject to the same contradictions and problems as any other. the public/private question refers most directly to an ongoing debate in 3-d land: it has to do with whether one should or must bring one's work out, and whether there are claims about that work that follow from bringing it out--like whether it is art, whether the producer is an artist, that kind of thing. i am not sure that this is of any interest to anyone so i'll leave it at that for now. "the great conversation" is an academic cliche. it refers to the intertextual networks one can work out and play with amongst the text-traces left by the sequence of legitimate Figures who constitute a tradition. folk act as though these Figures are Legitimate because of the quality of their work, which implies that cultural markets are rational. of course, they aren't and the story behind the legitimation of any particular figure has as much or more to do with the mass of commentary that builds up around them, and with the relations of cultural power that play out across commentary. the internet doesnt really resolve problems of bringing your work out. you can post it, people can download it, sure: but it is a funny kind of public, isn't it? in no particular place....just a bunch of atoms, it seems. when the collective i am part of is active, we publicize new stuff and get a couple thousand hits a month. we are not entirely sure what any of them mean, and we have no idea who these folk are or where they are or even if they are. digits just turn. stuff happens. it falls into a void. there is no press-like apparatus that classifies/sorts online releases, so there is no structuring of a wide public for this kind of music (whatever that may be)...and the sad fact of the matter is that it is the classification/sorting that is the fundamental act of cultural construction in the context through which we move. people seem to want what they are told they want. of course, there are folk who operate off that radar and trawl about for music that others dont know about, which is fine--but that is still an act with sociological correlates. around this point, i generally make some reference to bourdieu. when i do it, i usually feel like "fuck, what an academic geek i have become." (as i do right now. this works every time.) abstraction. well, the cynic in me reverts to bourdieu again, who argues that the tolerance for abstraction in art is a class thing, linked to a desire to demonstrate one's distance from necessity which increases as you move up the class gradient. but that is general. i dont know what you mean by abstraction. i refers to many things, many types of operations. soundwise, i have found that folk refer to types of organization that they are not familiar with as abstract--it is a kind of default category that lets them say something other than "what the fuck was that?" or "i didnt get it" or---more to the point--"i didnt like it, whatever it was."--which is fine, but it doesnt tell me much. so what do you mean by it? stephen --Boundary_(ID_cjSlk67nc3EQSlreztweDA)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:58:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41435-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51405 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:59:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 51395 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:59:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Pkkpir4VM1nmMXzJWi4dqzKu1qfub.AFctB1GRLELZiwzWrQMl7GYZwl95UOmaqgqXO1OSkWu6LfdZ8Lx5_ezLW7Sp6WVEqGYeTczHXoqykDygQGinM- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently on in > the > museum, and she was using it as proof of the existence of universal > art: > it had been made for the purpose of being beautiful, and beautiful > was > how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing about Egyptian > culture > or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. Hmm.... fetishes have been around since the dawn of mankind... the simple fact that someone obviously spent a great of time and effort inspires curiousity, awe and an appreciation of the skill and labour involved... I beleive this can exist otuside of any cultural boundaries. I don't agree that those items were made simply to be beautiful either.. unless in this case you consider a tomb to be the same as a gallery. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:49:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41434-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45255 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:50:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 45244 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:50:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:49:11 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > Beauty is, I believe, a cultural or personal value. I was talking about whether art is universal with my other friend the other day. There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently on in the museum, and she was using it as proof of the existence of universal art: it had been made for the purpose of being beautiful, and beautiful was how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing about Egyptian culture or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:41:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41433-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39720 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:42:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 39706 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:42:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: TNWWpiUVM1nZyW4NynAbwQb3n6MFA9aJMs0icWg7TOHDhcDdNyCdPhM0OhsshpPLMwdJPQCO8HqocsyGOicLLRpoyNf0pl3_mF8SI7FO4ShzLXD0iBU- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > afternoon better mood let's see. > which buildings? > why any number of those official respositories for the material you > can > collage together to form the "Great Conversation" within a particular > genre--museyrooms galleries--clubs concert halls--all the spaces > about which > i cant help but be ambivalent--on the one hand, it's good to be able > to see > and listen to stuff--on the other, the sense of quarantine, of > separation: > from the processes that go into making things, from the aspects of > social > life from which they come, about which they speak (one way or > another) > toward which they are addressed. the Reification Biz. Okay well in regards to my experiencing microsound.. it's almost entirely at home via the internet wether downloaded or purchased online.. "Great Conversation"? > who authorizes? > well at one level anyone who makes stuff authorizes themselves to > engage a > medium, the genres that operate, the traditions that structure each > genre. > but anyone who makes stuff also knows that this self-authorization, > while > necessary, only goes so far if you want to make your work public. to > what > end make your work public? any number of reasons. but if you do > want to > make your work public, it becomes quickly obvious that there are any > number > of intermediaries who occupy positions of cultural power by > generating > classifications, who construct producers by situating them through > classification, who stream outputs toward or away from their > audience. > record labels, critics, radio folk, academics...and on the other > side, those > who control access to the special buildings within which the > Authorized > Objects of the moment are displayed/encountered. > within aesthetic theory, in the end, it is the theorist who > authorizes. > this authorization is not neutral: it generally relies one way or > another on > the accepted canon of Legitimate Producers which happens to be in > force at a > given period. > this seems to me neither good nor bad in itself: just the way of > things. > if you want your work to become public that is. > if you dont, for whatever reason, then none of this applies directly. > but if your work is not public, then what is it? > i dont know the answer to that. i suspect there are many. The internet. It used to be that if you wanted to make your work public is was alot harder to do but now you can easily make yur work public tot he entire world very cheaply with little effort. Wether public or private is there any issues to do with any of this that is specific to "microsound"? > i dont really know what being a marxist means at this point. Neither do I. > variation: > emotional responses to cultural objects is not unstructured. you > dont get > around political questions by referring to immediacy. immediacy is a > kind > of forgetting of these problems. that is why i said what i did about > relativizing your responses. there are always rules that shape your > reactions to what you encounter: there is no space outside. so the > important issue, it seems to me anyway, is your relation to them. I think I can agree to all of that but when you say cultural objects I don't know how well that fits into abstraction or microsound. In regards to visual arts and especially in the realm of computer graphics I have encountered alot of resistance to abstraction. Perhaps that is because there may no or very little cultural reference or recognizable objects. I see the same issue being for music that does not beats or lyrics or traditonal scales and tones. Like the computer geek generation might like granular synthesis because it reminds them of the sound of a modem while grandpa can't stand anything but Lawrence Welk. Which political questions did you have in mind? -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:15:05 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41432-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25349 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:16:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 25337 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:16:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:14:38 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-A8D32ADCB0B711DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian Stewart wrote on 1/30/07 at 5:51 PM >.... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? Google "aesthetic emotion" whydontcha... <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:13:32 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41431-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23515 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:14:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 23504 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:14:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:13:17 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MeTQhoSpBeLRrfaW9k8FHvSiu1VknoO4x0ebyDFpY0L3n4SMe4AlaLvSfbsvCpnN1Qyk5dgnZ20MV+ao+3lGUnIC7/EeSmYNH6TGhBiCIbdN1PW6zBoWtkmJMEfEU4HMvgQRQ/hY+Wtru0UpfXY3UqYCgS0KY8ROtObBWjncP0w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/30/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Does this mean there is no such thing as universal art? > > ... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I believe it is, but I was > having an interesting discussion with my flatmate the other morning > where she was saying that she didn't think that it was. One possible answer is that there could be universal art, but ONLY under the condition that one attempts to work with a "context free" type of grammar, and remove all emotional and cultural content. In fact, this is precisely what the Constructivist tradition in European art attempted to do (which also has a strong connection with elements of the socialist tradition, fyi...). Beauty is, I believe, a cultural or personal value. To declare something beautiful, for me implies more of an intellectual judgement than an emotional response. This is so, because emotional responses depend on too many external factors to be available consistently, but the aesthetic judgements may remain consistent despite fluctuating emotions. To illustrate my point: I believe that most trees are beautiful, however, I don't feel an emotional response every time I look at trees. Many days I'm too busy and stressed out to appreciate them, and to observe them in an aesthetic manner. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:11:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41430-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22044 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:12:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 22026 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:12:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:11:15 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UuA/5imn1TF+uPz5B9wLdQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IEFiZj8idsQNb2QKgdE+VqOKQJlGGcaLK8lEBOWaMO4640ueKUz2obhgRqdrR1cL99jCfT8UCjgXgGEEi8ZL21Asn9FVcDg0iFn4E65gHC7TDKMAaPWmuhl1tNRlyh3ydNKgHsv7XV6jungyT3HvgapixPNPyBX6tYPZiPUwn4M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UuA/5imn1TF+uPz5B9wLdQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afternoon better mood let's see. which buildings? why any number of those official respositories for the material you can collage together to form the "Great Conversation" within a particular genre--museyrooms galleries--clubs concert halls--all the spaces about which i cant help but be ambivalent--on the one hand, it's good to be able to see and listen to stuff--on the other, the sense of quarantine, of separation: from the processes that go into making things, from the aspects of social life from which they come, about which they speak (one way or another) toward which they are addressed. the Reification Biz. who authorizes? well at one level anyone who makes stuff authorizes themselves to engage a medium, the genres that operate, the traditions that structure each genre. but anyone who makes stuff also knows that this self-authorization, while necessary, only goes so far if you want to make your work public. to what end make your work public? any number of reasons. but if you do want to make your work public, it becomes quickly obvious that there are any number of intermediaries who occupy positions of cultural power by generating classifications, who construct producers by situating them through classification, who stream outputs toward or away from their audience. record labels, critics, radio folk, academics...and on the other side, those who control access to the special buildings within which the Authorized Objects of the moment are displayed/encountered. within aesthetic theory, in the end, it is the theorist who authorizes. this authorization is not neutral: it generally relies one way or another on the accepted canon of Legitimate Producers which happens to be in force at a given period. this seems to me neither good nor bad in itself: just the way of things. if you want your work to become public that is. if you dont, for whatever reason, then none of this applies directly. but if your work is not public, then what is it? i dont know the answer to that. i suspect there are many. answer questions? sure. if i can. you dont need to be a marxist to use marxian styles of analysis: agreed. i dont really know what being a marxist means at this point. but i do find alot about the modes of analysis within the marxist tradition to be useful, powerful even. but you have to be critical about them too. it is not, and never was, a space outside the capitalist order that it opposed. variation: emotional responses to cultural objects is not unstructured. you dont get around political questions by referring to immediacy. immediacy is a kind of forgetting of these problems. that is why i said what i did about relativizing your responses. there are always rules that shape your reactions to what you encounter: there is no space outside. so the important issue, it seems to me anyway, is your relation to them. stephen --Boundary_(ID_UuA/5imn1TF+uPz5B9wLdQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:06:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41429-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18851 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:07:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 18832 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:07:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:06:33 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: xGIhul8VM1lMlKyOieHEPv.Q.hE4uENDkfFAFICmPIGGuZnxS2X9RKVsAQUS0vQ5or04ROnBRzPzm8fZj53_zTyZM_FFXkxQJ9bj4VQNWyb1Ti_tpuU- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Ian Reddy wrote: > > Also certain sounds are > > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such > as the > > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) Explain more about the cultural construction that connects low droning sounds to a feeling either gloom or otherwise? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:00:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41428-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15786 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:01:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 15776 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:01:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 03wCI2QVM1ntkgcMHhqewI5ZFEpp5k3PUJQKwcNRWCT2KWx9kUhQORyKaQkHvfCWWw-- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Does this mean there is no such thing as universal art? > > ... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I believe it is, but I > was > having an interesting discussion with my flatmate the other morning > where she was saying that she didn't think that it was. I beleive there might be universal art.. at least amongst us humans on earth but these also revolve around lowest common denominators. But breasts for example may only have acheived that status because of them being stuck in our faces during infancy. Desire is an emotion which seems to me to be the foundation of ideals formed from such common denominators. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 22:54:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41427-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12068 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:55:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 12057 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:55:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:54:17 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ian Reddy wrote: > I think that in art, emotion is something either projected > onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. Is the experience of beauty an emotion? > Also certain sounds are > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such as the > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) I find low droning sounds connected to feelings of calm, solidarity, stability, and a resting place, especially when they're accompanied by a bit of white noise, for example in large-scale air-conditioning systems. (Air-con can make beautiful, beautiful noises). It's only when they're dissonant that they're gloomy... -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 22:51:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41426-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10187 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:52:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 10173 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:52:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:51:20 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You can encode a set of > gestures into a piece of music, that (given a culturally homogenous > group with known conditioning) has a high probability of provoking an > emotional response. However, if you played the music for someone who > lacked the relevant cultural context and conditioning, there would be > no emotional response. Does this mean there is no such thing as universal art? .... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I believe it is, but I was having an interesting discussion with my flatmate the other morning where she was saying that she didn't think that it was. I wonder if that means that in order to describe microsound as 'emotional' one has to broaden one's idea about what an emotion is. Defenders of scifi writing are sometimes in the same boat, finding themselves having to argue that sense-of-wonder is an emotion, just to counter claims that scifi is unemotional. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 22:20:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41425-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94210 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:21:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 94191 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:21:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:19:41 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Stephen Hastings-King wrote: > the business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. there are special buildings around where you can go to look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. I'm currently undergoing an intense period of research into techno music (of the Detroit/New York/Chicago variety) and these sentences resonate strongly with the construction of the techno gig and the role of the DJ therein. I'm also helping organise a techno party which happens in two weeks and we find ourselves having discussions about how to bring about this production of transcendance through the production of the party. Interesting... -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 20:48:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41424-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44635 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:49:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 44614 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:49:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:48:00 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: wcI3GwQVM1kTfAB22fIezm8Wd_QFLQFKkNTB5MrEIkMRQruGq338KxRUagls9yYg7V13uGEzVexZJgz44vbcjw5zYm5DWEO4OgaTBbT4FBNm58ZkcIo- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Who authorizes these things? For realz... > What about the use of marxian dialectics to analyze a system or > structure? You need not be a marxist to use Marx. I'd rather not but as long as the person using it is willing to answer questions then why not. -adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 19:02:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41423-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78005 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:03:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 77994 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:03:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:02:25 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RrZSYha0DiURKBmDhW6tTawf/QfCENQ5ERukRNSJ+g6NmwowKARZYtjzbbaac+9YmcvoI0PJea7wJkciqxD/N5RCQodXJa0vW25kMrMH1NmRqbG6y+Ge9EPVxTex7gACs/NUK5S/8Du73sDMJCcnXxUasfMdf9ufxgTHnArBkQk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/30/07, Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > transcendence needs to be controlled, quarantined, placed > socially and politically in authorized spaces. the business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. there are special buildings around where you can go to look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. Who authorizes these things? > while i think that the only coherent relation to the marxist tradition at > this point has to be predicated on closure (in the decon/heidegger/nietzsche > sense, in the "closure of western metaphysics" sense)--anything that enables > folk to relativize their social position and by extension to relativise > their responses is a good thing. What about the use of marxian dialectics to analyze a system or structure? You need not be a marxist to use Marx. ~Kyle -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 18:56:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41422-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73176 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:57:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 73165 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:57:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:56:30 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ehlRD1DlR9jnKMp8fERhsh9C5THhq8u5sxOPPiLDGF9ooWS7ui2sRHXOaU62T5nJJ+72GMhCtbDiCByY9iClP/VUpqZ5zhu3QVeV7U/MVvHtmIGJQp1wa4srzPvU6VVmpRj2SClCgCLbMKwclPVOCuz94ZoafiTUHEEjySwO2IM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > I think that in art, emotion is something either projected > onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - that's impossible > as art and music are obviously mediated through the intellect > and already existing cultural forms. Yes, I was hoping someone would point this out, thank you! As I have insisted in the past, I must once again point out how flawed I think the model of communication is, that implies that a creator is able to directly insert an emotion into a piece. This is impossible - emotion is a chemical response in the individual to various stimuli. The work of art is not a container. If an actor in a play is angry onstage, and starts screaming, it doesn't make me angry. Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You can encode a set of gestures into a piece of music, that (given a culturally homogenous group with known conditioning) has a high probability of provoking an emotional response. However, if you played the music for someone who lacked the relevant cultural context and conditioning, there would be no emotional response. Note that attempting to specifically provoke emotional responses is an aesthetic choice on the part of the creator. Alternately, creator can design artistic pieces using very minimal grammars and avoiding linguistic elements that provoke obvious responses. Such artwork may appear more cerebral to the average observer - though there is still the possibility that by virtue of its construction and the particular mindset and manner of observation, the artwork will nevertheless provoke an emotional response. Finally, words are intimately connected with power and control. The level of conditioned response to language is high, so it's likely that lyric-based music does have a higher probability of provoking an emotional response in observers that can interpret the linguistic statements correctly (ie. you must know the language being used). ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 18:44:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41421-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65933 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:45:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 65923 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:45:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: ybmklKYVM1nXAiPeaevyyxp7yZ2UOcOst3eaiKuU1sdal1TYXXYEIIZ7Zi3CsZeJu8Bg1xwVhTihaBVXqeCd5U1IJL.S2iaRP1Z24_jb66fkpvPDsso- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Are you describing movie theatres?? What? what? --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > social norms are most thoroughly in force around definitions of that > which > transcends them. transcendence needs to be controlled, quarantined, > placed > socially and politically in authorized spaces. the business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in > transcendence > production. there are special buildings around where you can go to > look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in > transcendence > production. while you are visiting, you can have a Moment during > which you > loose yourself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 17:02:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41420-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98393 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:03:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 98377 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:03:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:43 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tG5rXMD0g+3fKnlUbyFK5g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XnaEg6umnmWRQpYsI7omdudwaOxd9efoE7mfGAQ8ZbA6EQpGh6z6FVH4u0m6QwDSxeO91s2PlSMXi9sYEpfw7VLZJmCjC09mR0QgNBkBmBlrrRyC6ILhsiztOvwAr0vttCRfj/SOGjHu+iaKQfS08oSaBVtmz5wx/kai1MfPpXM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_tG5rXMD0g+3fKnlUbyFK5g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit projections involve responses shaped by (social-historical) rule sets (or institutions). these rules range from genre outward to quite broad social matters. any response to any cultural object involves rules. questions concerning the origin, nature, institutional enframedness, legitimacy and binding nature of these rules are all political. so it follows that the most useful ways to stage these questions may well be found in political philosophy--or in philosophy more generally---and not in discussions too narrowly focused on directly musical questions--or on aesthetic philosophy. aesthetics is a subset of larger-scale normative frameworks. it is not a free-floating area of thought. aesthetic philosophy is among the densest type of ideological thinking: existing social norms are most thoroughly in force around definitions of that which transcends them. transcendence needs to be controlled, quarantined, placed socially and politically in authorized spaces. the business of transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in transcendence production. there are special buildings around where you can go to look at or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in transcendence production. while you are visiting, you can have a Moment during which you loose yourself. this sense of loss of oneself is not one of freedom from instituted social norms: it is a total projection through those norms: you presuppose them in the act of forgetting about them. while i think that the only coherent relation to the marxist tradition at this point has to be predicated on closure (in the decon/heidegger/nietzsche sense, in the "closure of western metaphysics" sense)--anything that enables folk to relativize their social position and by extension to relativise their responses is a good thing. because it is only in relativizing your responses that you can start to see the structures that shape those responses. these structures are indices of what binds you to what exists, of the extent to which you reproduce it, the extent to which you are it. it is good, i think, to be suspicous of immediacy. it is also good not to loose the ability to indulge immediacy. but it is good to be suspicious of it. stephen On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > >one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they hit > >you, when you are alone, for example, this perosnal > >experience, when you hear something cool, that you > >dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it creates > >this separation from alienation, this curiously > >numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone else > >says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you hear the > >really great first album, or someone say its crap and > >you no longer feel intimate with it even if you dont > >care what someone else thinks. what the blogger guy > >says makes sense in terms of emotional range only. is > >all digital music in a sense governed by an irony > >(related to a high level of self-consciousness) that > >doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni mitchell > >might sing about? does the full range of human emotion > >demand words or demand the discarding of words? > >anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, your > >wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. > > I think that in art, emotion is something either projected > onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - that's impossible > as art and music are obviously mediated through the intellect > and already existing cultural forms. I suggest that Joni Mitchel is > performing her emotions through song. Also certain sounds are > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such as the > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) and the artist > often exploits these connections or we simply project them onto a > work. So....in brief I do think that art can provoke an emotional > response BUT I also think the emotion we experience is drastically > different from the emotion we speak of as being present in art, and > probably not the same thing at all. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_tG5rXMD0g+3fKnlUbyFK5g)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 16:56:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41419-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93413 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:57:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 93388 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: x5khiFgVM1m.GdiMGv5qNUqbLkGoG4f9xX6zx0ulgCtAOqCBinYw.6TmXzbAxeUZ.F3f8yMKa3xoOV0cpo1gHwRmblpLDQoag64ZmJ_GnOCQsiF1378- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > http://netlabel.qunabu.com/ -> releases -> qnb001 NN - Bugs Are > Welcome -> > 07 transmiter 1 > > For me, this is an intensely emotional experience - it leaves me > short of > breath, as though something is grabbing my gut and squeezing, not > letting > me go. Hmm.. nice track.. I didn't have that experience but for me the closest I think I have felt to a similar sounding track is Nurse With Wound's Soliloquy For Lilith although that technically might not be considered microsound. But as a baseline this transmiter track is somber. I would expect most people to get that from it.. and is perhaps a tonality that reminds me of other microsound artists like Oval. > I'm saying that the kind of emotion I get from microsound music is of > a > quite different character to the kind I get from say Ani DiFranco, or > the > kind of passionate gypsy music that always forms the centrepiece in > Tony > Gatlif's films - especially the theme music to Vengo. > It's not even that microsound is more cerebral, because microsound > can hit > my gut (I feel emotions in my gut) just as hard if I'm in the right > mood. I can get the hairs raised as an a occasional response.. Doesn't seem like much microsound music has lyrical content so that'd be a big difference from most pop music. I'd have to say that drones of the type above feel like an outer body experience or that I'm travelling or are in a foreign place. It's like a soundtrack to a movie about floating. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 16:32:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41418-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75665 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 75649 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: JTmboLAVM1kxtC0q5PFoR9fIGVxqQNJi3giVa1gG1QTdgERVcjXY7DtXozi3OW11uY15zFyEf.DHXuB_LP9uhP4NGfi5_.k5wKuMVPkUlJd_BP2XTis- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There was no instruction at all in any of the art schools I attended along these lines. I know of very few alumni who are making "fine arts" for a living... that is not to say that there aren't many that aren't working creatively in a profession. -adrian --- Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It's a shame that so many people go to these fine institutions to > learn such wonderful skills, only to have them choked off by the > tourniquet of business inexperience. > > ~Kyle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 16:01:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41417-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57260 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:02:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 57248 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:02:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:00:57 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they hit >you, when you are alone, for example, this perosnal >experience, when you hear something cool, that you >dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it creates >this separation from alienation, this curiously >numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone else >says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you hear the >really great first album, or someone say its crap and >you no longer feel intimate with it even if you dont >care what someone else thinks. what the blogger guy >says makes sense in terms of emotional range only. is >all digital music in a sense governed by an irony >(related to a high level of self-consciousness) that >doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni mitchell >might sing about? does the full range of human emotion >demand words or demand the discarding of words? >anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, your >wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. I think that in art, emotion is something either projected onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - that's impossible as art and music are obviously mediated through the intellect and already existing cultural forms. I suggest that Joni Mitchel is performing her emotions through song. Also certain sounds are culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such as the connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) and the artist often exploits these connections or we simply project them onto a work. So....in brief I do think that art can provoke an emotional response BUT I also think the emotion we experience is drastically different from the emotion we speak of as being present in art, and probably not the same thing at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 14:37:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41416-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13880 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:38:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 13869 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:38:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lIpER95bqxmweinZRwaxC7Ff+vIQ4Th9xqSqGcAVz+6RcmCx2goiKSp+45Z82TLxyyi0f6Ucjv5V+J+jAQzNzgotKBDsyT/JrvvTUjseKlzRUEFgSfUnvEuqPx0/0kpukT9E9ui6idAdsyFyBAafvQzCR31qSOZyfn3jKTBEl1U=; X-YMail-OSG: oPsGFVIVM1nQnzCEqrQlJwXeGB05baw6GQ5R592lTx3V15ktHulkwthOKHw9EMakQLpQBzk4dnDZieJh17I_h2Uuafpa0UndDDnSu5ePhEiXDCMsj89A4gP.ujANcD8j6PcOMMI20Rk3ZQ-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they hit you, when you are alone, for example, this perosnal experience, when you hear something cool, that you dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it creates this separation from alienation, this curiously numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone else says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you hear the really great first album, or someone say its crap and you no longer feel intimate with it even if you dont care what someone else thinks. what the blogger guy says makes sense in terms of emotional range only. is all digital music in a sense governed by an irony (related to a high level of self-consciousness) that doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni mitchell might sing about? does the full range of human emotion demand words or demand the discarding of words? anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, your wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. --- Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I find some .microsound music > > to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any > conceptual framework to > > explain where it comes from - certainly not one > that stands up next to > > for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni > Mitchell speaks to your > > heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. > > > > > http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ > > > > can you give a few examples of the microsound music > you find most > emotional? cheers. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. 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Tue Jan 30 14:31:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41415-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8511 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:32:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 8496 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:32:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:30:58 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ihe1kj/TfG38jq1EeqLRCei1HOQnBZtI2SreGuMIBzp52gzbOYrAc7q9cJVMpzYAWcSMerb95jAoLhnNyqnx8hcreHYBX3+99agjo4gHbz7Gi07TymBLrEsTkuOKOkxG/z8HBqrwC3UcxF0BwSwtrUyqflqb+meqPlv1oOTXBmk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is a valid statement. My girlfriend just got a BFA in painting. She learned a lot about her skills with media and concepts, and how to defend her ideas. What she didn't learn much of were the business things: pricing her art, networking with collectors/gallery owners, marketing herself, etc. I believe that she was only required to take a single one-hour, half semester course that touched on any sort of business practicalities. It's a shame that so many people go to these fine institutions to learn such wonderful skills, only to have them choked off by the tourniquet of business inexperience. ~Kyle On 1/29/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > "Business art is the step that comes after Art. I started as a > commercial artist, and I want to finish as a business artist. After > I did the thing called "art" or whatever it's called, I went into > business art. I wanted to be an Art Businessman or a Business > Artist. Being good in business is the most fascinating kind of art. > During the hippie era people put down the idea of business - they'd > say, "Money is bad," and "working is bad," but making money is art > and working is art and good business is the best art" > > Andy Warhol > The Philosophy of Andy Warhol (from A to B and Back Again), p. 92, > softcover edition. > > On 25-Jan-07, at 3:16 PM, Steven McLeod wrote: > > > "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and > > that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned > > with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses > > psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life > > will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, > > sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the > > way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose > > one could say that, not my asthetic tho... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" > > <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > > > > > >> Hallo, > >> Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: > >> > >>> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing > >>> as an > >>> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done > >>> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good > >>> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. > >>> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. > >> > >> Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing > >> uses > >> these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't > >> make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. > >> > >> Ciao > >> -- > >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: > >> 23/01/2007 08:02 > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 13:22:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41414-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69578 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:23:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 69567 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:23:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:22:02 +0000 From: Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oY00QVNqT1/BE+Of56mh6ZQlE0sMHA+94xnhEp1Yrt4l1VL3V0HdmSLUVomZRt5x+riNM9Jp0nf/cnSgsCGIokFJPsm8ITGLNWFlKMX+p58Z1HQVrM2qLiEHmq0oD1N/XrmlBr/m0YVdUiXz3vnscZustAg+0DBu5y2pjExL/vw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I find some .microsound music > to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any conceptual framework to > explain where it comes from - certainly not one that stands up next to > for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni Mitchell speaks to your > heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. > > http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ > can you give a few examples of the microsound music you find most emotional? cheers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 11:41:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41413-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29044 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:42:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 29029 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:42:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:41:17 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote: > Do you mind if I ask you for an example of microsound music you find > emotional.. maybe even something from the projects page? http://netlabel.qunabu.com/ -> releases -> qnb001 NN - Bugs Are Welcome -> 07 transmiter 1 For me, this is an intensely emotional experience - it leaves me short of breath, as though something is grabbing my gut and squeezing, not letting me go. > Some songs and sounds have nostalgia that could evoke emotion in some > people and shrill sounds might induce panic etc. It's not nostalgia. For me, in the track I mentioned above it's something to do with the repetition, the ever-unresolved chord, the sense of breathing... > But are you saying that you find alot of microsound music is missing > emotion? I'm saying that the kind of emotion I get from microsound music is of a quite different character to the kind I get from say Ani DiFranco, or the kind of passionate gypsy music that always forms the centrepiece in Tony Gatlif's films - especially the theme music to Vengo. It's not even that microsound is more cerebral, because microsound can hit my gut (I feel emotions in my gut) just as hard if I'm in the right mood. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 06:09:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41412-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2173 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:10:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 2163 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:10:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: udKXoI4VM1lLaIzOaeUsglZhuntQ3kSPgiWnw2CJJO3Vte1RTAlS1_pvniM6gItmrBX4_50KcGwzI5R5k0slkZOqvyTSjDhr.cJrP54hoBG9iUfjY5Y- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian, Hmm well I can't help but to think that this person's close relationship to Joni would be a big factor in inducing emotion in them. Do you mind if I ask you for an example of microsound music you find emotional.. maybe even something from the projects page? Some songs and sounds have nostalgia that could evoke emotion in some people and shrill sounds might induce panic etc. But are you saying that you find alot of microsound music is missing emotion? Adrian --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Xdugef wrote: > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > are > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > only > > apply to .microsound music. > > "Where's the emotion" would be my biggest. I find some .microsound > music > to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any conceptual framework to > > explain where it comes from - certainly not one that stands up next > to > for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni Mitchell speaks to your > heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. > > http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 03:53:10 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41411-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50915 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:54:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 50897 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:54:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:52:51 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote: > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there are > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones only > apply to .microsound music. "Where's the emotion" would be my biggest. I find some .microsound music to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any conceptual framework to explain where it comes from - certainly not one that stands up next to for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni Mitchell speaks to your heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 02:55:29 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41410-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25102 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:56:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 25089 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:56:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:54:59 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tm6R9AAfFjEO5KfSalAKVcpKt/sEWEAqmuLfNCeF925+2lm+gA3sYchfbcEieXD1DFHCDHnJTLdV90Z3KCQCp6QhAdqfrp/utdLxq+/QfI/7kfKVBuS2U3WoETPuEJs5U/oN19lYlZt7DqW82FmwrIPfdWXxhr+dQyGtGjt/4oI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi > During the hippie era people put down the idea of business - they'd > say, "Money is bad," and "working is bad," but making money is art > and working is art and good business is the best art" > > Andy Warhol warhol is the perfect figure to bring up in this discussion. most would agree he was a sucessful artist [with all the conflicting criteria that implies]. most would also agree he was a successful businessman [his 60s studio was called 'the factory' for more than it's past use]. business was a part of his art, definitely. one thread in his multi-dimentional artwork is the dehumanizing alienation of consumer life. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 02:22:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41409-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8143 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:23:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 8132 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:23:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:32 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "Business art is the step that comes after Art. I started as a commercial artist, and I want to finish as a business artist. After I did the thing called "art" or whatever it's called, I went into business art. I wanted to be an Art Businessman or a Business Artist. Being good in business is the most fascinating kind of art. During the hippie era people put down the idea of business - they'd say, "Money is bad," and "working is bad," but making money is art and working is art and good business is the best art" Andy Warhol The Philosophy of Andy Warhol (from A to B and Back Again), p. 92, softcover edition. On 25-Jan-07, at 3:16 PM, Steven McLeod wrote: > "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and > that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned > with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses > psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life > will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, > sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the > way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose > one could say that, not my asthetic tho... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" > <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > > >> Hallo, >> Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing >>> as an >>> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done >>> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good >>> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. >>> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. >> >> Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing >> uses >> these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't >> make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. >> >> Ciao >> -- >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: >> 23/01/2007 08:02 >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 02:06:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41408-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2060 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:07:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 2048 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:07:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:06:32 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U13d0KuqPZTOMxFXkCJH5VVo7NSy5FkdLZmKJuTrSlyTVjtCdah4wozSRz95Mj5X/CcNsVXYr1jeX2RAdyp35mr1G6DyGro1VBu3Lm9mS2QqoI0g+XBQhX+L0nzglIDLnzVnclinj9yVh/80D/MKg4fm4jMFAH2edlBIMoTq7Io= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Could you be more specific? Are you referring to the concept of the "refrain" in A Thousand Plateaus, or something else? ~David On 1/29/07, v dish <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Has anbody here read Deleuze's theory of music? If so can you suggest any > interpretations of this aspect of his philosophy, as I'm not finding it very > accessible. > Thanks! > > Sidasah > > On 1/29/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > Are you really responding to my post? > > > > It was a serious question that was not asked out of anger (despite any > > of my not so recent posts). Since this is the ".microsound list" I > > thought it would be more relevant to the list to talk about how a > > philosophy.. any philosophy actually applies to a style or how one > > structures their music. > > > > Is that wrong of me to ask??? What is an example of a "microsound > > issue"? I really want to know. > > > > Or maybe I'm missing the obvious.. take a recording of protesters, chop > > it up into indecipherable bits and call it ode to Marx? > > > > But to address some of issues you bring up... if consumerism is an > > issue then I suppose it is an unavoidable fact that if you use current > > technology and upgrade and add to your arsenal new gear on a regular > > basis then you might be considered a supporter of consumerism and > > therefore capitalism. > > > > Solution.. buy old/used equipment, use open source software and give > > your music away... move off the grid.. ferment soy beeans.. I dunno. > > > > Personally as much as I can I use "recycled" gear but I have money so I > > buy new shit too.. but I also giveaway alot of music as well. > > > > Is it an issue for anybody that Apple sells computers to the DOD? > > > > Adrian > > > > --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > > > > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > > > are > > > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > > > only > > > > apply to .microsound music. > > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > I don't see a need for this constraint. I read more than I post > > > because > > > there is rarely little more I can add. But to me all forms of art are > > > currently so dominated and manipulated by capitalism as it operates > > > today > > > that I see the kind of posts that Kim is making to be acutely > > > relevant and > > > they make me think contextually about what I do. It's not purely > > > political, it's socio-political and the environment in which we > > > create art > > > is so dominated by US socio-political imperialism that the worth of > > > such > > > discussion shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Consumerism is the > > > prevailing > > > religion in my country (Australia - the other developed country that > > > rejected Kyoto). > > > > > > The topics of the posts are quite transparent. It's easy not to open > > > them > > > if you don't want to engage in the debate. I don't understand the > > > anger at > > > all. > > > > > > It's not like there isn't a choice or there isn't room for discussion > > > about the wider social context as well as the narrower .microsund > > > minutae. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 01:15:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41407-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77857 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:16:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 77846 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:16:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:14:53 -0500 From: v dish <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_HSEzvWoH1P7XbP5mQLlKIw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lMOAyfkzRTy9ReaIKa4D376n+DqGMmCDGbhDS+9cw3Pk9ITm03uBdr+RSqOgQ3aWQh3rPv/cgG8HHxiO0TBL8bJg3ES3AJcgn/ziGhV1dlYPKSgtIjR9SDRYDhM4zCy2LKwdoyT0ZZu27lptWXhFxdDgf1ULS50ck1R/ziMCEBc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_HSEzvWoH1P7XbP5mQLlKIw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anbody here read Deleuze's theory of music? If so can you suggest any interpretations of this aspect of his philosophy, as I'm not finding it very accessible. Thanks! Sidasah On 1/29/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Are you really responding to my post? > > It was a serious question that was not asked out of anger (despite any > of my not so recent posts). Since this is the ".microsound list" I > thought it would be more relevant to the list to talk about how a > philosophy.. any philosophy actually applies to a style or how one > structures their music. > > Is that wrong of me to ask??? What is an example of a "microsound > issue"? I really want to know. > > Or maybe I'm missing the obvious.. take a recording of protesters, chop > it up into indecipherable bits and call it ode to Marx? > > But to address some of issues you bring up... if consumerism is an > issue then I suppose it is an unavoidable fact that if you use current > technology and upgrade and add to your arsenal new gear on a regular > basis then you might be considered a supporter of consumerism and > therefore capitalism. > > Solution.. buy old/used equipment, use open source software and give > your music away... move off the grid.. ferment soy beeans.. I dunno. > > Personally as much as I can I use "recycled" gear but I have money so I > buy new shit too.. but I also giveaway alot of music as well. > > Is it an issue for anybody that Apple sells computers to the DOD? > > Adrian > > --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > > are > > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > > only > > > apply to .microsound music. > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > I don't see a need for this constraint. I read more than I post > > because > > there is rarely little more I can add. But to me all forms of art are > > currently so dominated and manipulated by capitalism as it operates > > today > > that I see the kind of posts that Kim is making to be acutely > > relevant and > > they make me think contextually about what I do. It's not purely > > political, it's socio-political and the environment in which we > > create art > > is so dominated by US socio-political imperialism that the worth of > > such > > discussion shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Consumerism is the > > prevailing > > religion in my country (Australia - the other developed country that > > rejected Kyoto). > > > > The topics of the posts are quite transparent. It's easy not to open > > them > > if you don't want to engage in the debate. I don't understand the > > anger at > > all. > > > > It's not like there isn't a choice or there isn't room for discussion > > about the wider social context as well as the narrower .microsund > > minutae. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_HSEzvWoH1P7XbP5mQLlKIw)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 22:32:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41406-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90322 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:33:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 90309 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:33:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: a2eBf9EVM1lR06z26.foBYuGB3kIaahIeKaCJ4HTO0FoL8q2KJmtW5N0LLR1di55.6C1tY6KALLEJIM98RApdpqpUxUGuRSka6_iL8mflDDVIjl7iD5xBDsNMS.tFgkqImMRS7PjlraT3dSYvcsCoqT8ca1M0UH1 X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Are you really responding to my post? It was a serious question that was not asked out of anger (despite any of my not so recent posts). Since this is the ".microsound list" I thought it would be more relevant to the list to talk about how a philosophy.. any philosophy actually applies to a style or how one structures their music. Is that wrong of me to ask??? What is an example of a "microsound issue"? I really want to know. Or maybe I'm missing the obvious.. take a recording of protesters, chop it up into indecipherable bits and call it ode to Marx? But to address some of issues you bring up... if consumerism is an issue then I suppose it is an unavoidable fact that if you use current technology and upgrade and add to your arsenal new gear on a regular basis then you might be considered a supporter of consumerism and therefore capitalism. Solution.. buy old/used equipment, use open source software and give your music away... move off the grid.. ferment soy beeans.. I dunno. Personally as much as I can I use "recycled" gear but I have money so I buy new shit too.. but I also giveaway alot of music as well. Is it an issue for anybody that Apple sells computers to the DOD? Adrian --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > are > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > only > > apply to .microsound music. > > > > Adrian > > > > I don't see a need for this constraint. I read more than I post > because > there is rarely little more I can add. But to me all forms of art are > currently so dominated and manipulated by capitalism as it operates > today > that I see the kind of posts that Kim is making to be acutely > relevant and > they make me think contextually about what I do. It's not purely > political, it's socio-political and the environment in which we > create art > is so dominated by US socio-political imperialism that the worth of > such > discussion shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Consumerism is the > prevailing > religion in my country (Australia - the other developed country that > rejected Kyoto). > > The topics of the posts are quite transparent. It's easy not to open > them > if you don't want to engage in the debate. I don't understand the > anger at > all. > > It's not like there isn't a choice or there isn't room for discussion > about the wider social context as well as the narrower .microsund > minutae. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 18:43:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41405-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31375 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:44:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 31365 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:44:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: yVr4vdsVM1mjHR0m02BCWZA9SvfEbxPWNonhfY8lKXyx.HVezOq1GrSO4tY9_VBug9hGQjpVgJk3Z9NvNOf_WZHgMpc2.0kbvm9mq.DebxfVugIEGfU- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there are probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones only apply to .microsound music. Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hey, if anyone wants to discuss .microsound issues from a post- > colonial or feminist or queer or post-modern or Straussian neocon or > > whatever viewpoint that's fine too... > but boysenberry is cool too > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 18:13:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41404-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11682 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:14:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 11671 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:14:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:12:51 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hey, if anyone wants to discuss .microsound issues from a post- colonial or feminist or queer or post-modern or Straussian neocon or whatever viewpoint that's fine too... but boysenberry is cool too --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 15:46:32 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41403-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25189 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:47:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 25178 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:47:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Brouse <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] L'oeuvre ouverte | PureData Convention '07 - Call for Proposals X-X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [VERSION FRANÇAISE CI-DESSOUS] L'oeuvre ouverte | PureData Convention '07 - Call for Proposals * August 21st-26th, 2007 - Montreal, Canada * Deadline for artworks/performances and workshops: February 28th 2007 * Deadline for papers: March 31st 2007 http://convention.puredata.org/ The PureData Convention Steering Committee is now accepting proposals for participation in L'oeuvre ouverte (the Open Work), the 2nd International PureData Convention. L'oeuvre ouverte invites an open relation between the artwork and the public as well as open attitudes and practices in the fields of programming, artistic creation and scientific research. It will bring together artists, developers and writers who develop, use and reflect on PureData. The Convention will acknowledge the broad range of artistic and technical disciplines that make use of the software and will address questions of openness and accessibility. It will provide a theoretical and artistic context for the understanding of the aesthetics and politics of Free / Open Source Software culture. Selected proposals will reflect varied perspectives and outlooks on the artistic possibilities of free software and hardware that emanate from a wide-ranging community. These include, but are not restricted to: connections to art, science and society as well as demonstrations of innovative and intuitive interactions. We encourage a wide range of submissions from all levels of proficiency with the software as well as from emergent and diverse PureData communities. Submissions will be evaluated by peer review committees. Proposals are sought in the following categories: Artwork/Performances: The selected artworks should make use of PureData. All forms of audio and visual art including real-time interactive works, improvisations with technology, instrumental/electroacoustic mixes, sound installations, performances, network art, robotics, software art and interdisciplinary work are welcome. Papers and posters: We are accepting papers that offer varying perspectives on technical, social, cultural as well as art theory/historical aspects of PureData or the aesthetics and politics of Free / Open Source Software (FOSS) culture. Demos: Externals, performance patches, packages of abstractions, sensors and physical computing interfaces, etc. Workshops: Beginner to advanced level hands-on workshops, installation help, DIY etc. ::applicants are invited to submit in multiple categories:: please read the application guidelines here: http://convention.puredata.org/guidelines |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| L'oeuvre ouverte | Congrès PureData 2007 - Appel de propositions * Du 21 au 26 août 2007, Montréal, Canada * Appel à participation ? Jusqu'au 28 février pour les projets artistiques et les ateliers, le 31 mars pour les exposés. http://convention.puredata.org/convention07-fr Le comité organisateur du Congrès de PureData accepte maintenant les propositions en vue de participer à L'oeuvre ouverte, 2e Congrès international de PureData. L'oeuvre ouverte propose une relation d'ouverture entre l'oeuvre d'art et le public et encourage les attitudes et les pratiques ouvertes dans les domaines de la programmation, de la création artistique et de la recherché scientifique. Le congrès réunira artistes, développeurs et théoriciens qui sont les créateurs de PureData, qui exploitent le logiciel ou en font l'objet de leur réflexion. Le Congrès témoignera de toute la gamme des disciplines artistiques et techniques qui exploitent le logiciel libre et s'intéressera aux questions d'ouverture et d'accessibilité. Il servira de cadre théorique et artistique pour la compréhension des aspects esthétiques et politiques propres à la culture du logiciel libre. Les propositions retenues refléteront les nombreuses perspectives que le logiciel libre et ses applications, émanant d'une collectivité diversifiée, offrent en matière de possibilités artistiques, qu'il s'agisse, notamment, de jonctions établies entre l'art, la science et la société ou de la présentation d'interactions innovatrices et intuitives. Les propositions les plus diverses sont les bienvenues, peu importe le degré de compétence de l'auteur à l'égard du logiciel. L'invitation est lancée, entre autres, aux collectifs de PureData en émergence. Les propositions seront évaluées par des comités de pairs. Les propositions doivent se situer dans les catégories suivantes: Oeuvres d'art/installations: les ?uvres de toute nature, produites à l'aide de PureData, soit toute forme d'art audio et visuel, y compris les ?uvres interactives en temps réel, les improvisations technologiques, les pièces instrumentales et électroacoustiques, les installations sonores, les performances, l'art robotique et télématique et les ?uvres multidisciplinaires. Exposés et affiche: communications apportant diverses perspectives sur les aspects techniques, sociaux, culturels, l'histoire de l'art de PureData, de même que sur les aspects esthétiques et politiques de la culture du logiciel libre. Démonstrations: périphériques, outils de performance, extras, senseurs et interfaces, etc. Ateliers: travaux pratiques de niveau débutant à avancé, aide aux installations, activités manuelles, etc. SVP lisez les lignes directrices: http://convention.puredata.org/guidelines-fr ::Les intéressés sont invités à faire des propositions de nature multiple:: --Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ)-- From ???@??? 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To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-06DFB6C5AF2411DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Greets- Just wanted to let folks know I did one of my once-in-a-blue-moon updates of the microsound list archive, available here: <http://www.propheticdesire.us/menu.html> Only limited checking on my part, so if you find something broken, please let me know. Enjoy! vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:48:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41401-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37881 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:55:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 37867 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:55:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:48:04 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx john saylor wrote: > in other words, it 'arrives' when > more than one person makes microsound music that is multi-leveled and > evocative. small packets of culture develop here and there ... Isn't this happening already? > so you see, it has nothing to do with television for me. and with the > internet as a distribution channel, no one from a major corporation > [record label] needs to be involved at all ... I think microsound if it appears on television will have appeared in various other far more obvious places first. > hmm, but what about if the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is your [hungry] > friend? does that change your answer? It's usually me, actually. And no, I kinda like dumpster diving. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:40:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41400-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34635 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 34623 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:46:56 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:39:52 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] post-globalization socialist art To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > 3. Theoretically speaking, what could a new > post-globalization, socialist art look like? What > would decidedly be its tenor, its thrust, at this > point? Does a kind of melancholic glitch 'space' go > beyond a humanistic soulfulness and actually challenge > hegemony, at the level of the imaginary? Is > singularity important (or rather how could singularity > work without becoming the Great Author of the Work)? I don't think you can impose a top-down methodology on to the development of cultural work most of the time the process takes on a more viral form anyway one person starts something and others follow with mimetic content which then breeds other derivations ----------------------------------------------- I see collaboration having more of a role in the future this is the basis of my 'Emergent Content' workshops the content is brought about by a group of people all shaping the materials into a single form which btw is an exciting process to watch in this process all the participants vote on a particular bit of content which then helps determine whether or not it gets a chance to 'breed' the process uses a simple genetic algorithm which means the resulting content is formed by the 'fitness function' imposed by the group not by any one individual I see this as one possible model for a post-globalization, socialist process and it is already taking place in open source development and Wiki- styled content where the content is shaped by many hands all adding their unique perspective to the mix --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:38:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41399-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33287 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:45:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 33275 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:45:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:31 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-E63146D0AF1711DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One of the most interesting philosophers of aesthetics I've read is Stefan Morawski, whose book: _Inquiries into the Fundamentals of Aesthetics_ (MIT Press, 1974) is the best english language statement of his thinking. I've uploaded a bunch of his essays to the repository, some more recent and others ("Artistic Value," "Expression") overlapping the contents of the book above. Perhaps some will find them an worthwhile read. vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:27:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41398-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29093 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:34:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 29077 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:34:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:44 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DSTpx7whE3Z9MbUf4t1qMLK7sXvKjwDmA+pcdvwahFan2Y6Ne8Y4xqAZZhUV2YrNA4pdiqz8K3lRCW5KHeh+CMfk4NKX8LQK0WlYzHqWUMDilg0he60xtuZB0eLaE3bxSgSBhWRJuuAy95OobKdFlfetB542x96e1U0m4iDgCXs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/28/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I think microsound on a television ad would be a good /indication/ that > microsound had 'arrived', yes. arrived as a corpse! i think this is an indication of where we diverge. if we can equate artistic maturity with 'arriving', i would say it arrives when its 'language' is sufficiently nuanced to have more than one person doing meaningful work within the language. in other words, it 'arrives' when more than one person makes microsound music that is multi-leveled and evocative. small packets of culture develop here and there ... so you see, it has nothing to do with television for me. and with the internet as a distribution channel, no one from a major corporation [record label] needs to be involved at all ... > Do we care more that the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is rewarded for his > efforts, or that his efforts reach the rest of the world and affect change? > I think the latter. hmm, but what about if the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is your [hungry] friend? does that change your answer? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 20:51:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41397-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14040 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:58:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 14009 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:57:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:50:51 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx john saylor wrote: > ok- sure. that argument is very sensible. > maybe i missed something- but why do we care that advertisers are > interested in art [as another means to manipulate consumers]: is that > how we measure art? economically? First of all - for anyone going 'oh sigh, Marxism', Marxism actually has little to do with self-righteous middle-class student protestors, or the Soviet Union, and a lot to do with a pretty solid framework for understanding how an industrial or post-industrial economy (ie ours) operates. For an updated version of Marxism that takes the IT industry into account I can thoroughly recommend "A Hacker Manifesto" by McKenzie Wark. It paints possibly the best picture of what the employer/employee relationship feels like if you're an IT professional, while (from memory, it's been a while since I read it) taking into account the open source movement and other interesting bits of digital culture that have emerged recently. Having got that out of the way, if you read the primer on Marxist aesthetics that Kim posted on the website (under .microsound repository/miscellaneous/Reading), one of the questions raised was how to interpret a particular paragraph on the place of art in the world. Two possible interpretations are outlined (on Page 10). One interpretation puts art as something that arises wholly from the economic/material world, thus irreducible to the economic/material world, and thus not important in influencing those who currently hold power in our world. The other interpretation puts art in a position where it is capable of influencing the economic/material world, and thus capable of affecting change in 'the real world'. > to some people, everything in their lives is valued according to its > worth in a currency. but isn't there so much more to being alive than > collecting money? esp. for 'creative' people. Yes, but that's not my point. Here's an analogy: one of the strongest (IMO) ways of making the environmental movement a more powerful force for affecting change is by adopting the language of accounting and then turning it back on itself. If you can put a dollar value on a cubic metre of clean air, then you can put a dollar cost on polluting that cubic metre of clean air, and thus you can write environmental costs into accounting sheets in ways that businesspeople understand how to deal with. Or take this example here: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003255.html . I'm not saying that art has to have an impact on the economy, or that it should be valued by its worth in currency - I'm just saying that it *can*, and such an analysis if performed could prove hugely useful in, for example, convincing rich people to fund art projects. >> The wild-eyed free-jazz cats put on a gig, > [deletions] >> and next thing you know something of the essence of the >> wild-eyed free-jazz music (mutated and translated but still there) >> shows up >> on prime-time television selling toothpaste. > > sure- to grab the glitchy audience ... No, not at all. Go listen to 'Don't Tell Me' by Madonna. Notice how enormously it features the glitchy cut-up guitar. But this is not a glitchy work, and not designed to 'grab the glitchy audience' - rather, the producers of the track chose that one particular aesthetic as a way of hooking in the straight pop audience to a fresh sound. Do you think the producers of 'Don't Tell Me' would've dared do this had there not been a significant body of pre-existing glitch work, that doubtless they or some of their more out-there music-geek friends played them at some stage? It's all networking. > is this artistic sucess? does it mean microsound music has 'arrived' > once it's used as a soundtrack for a television advertisement? I think microsound on a television ad would be a good /indication/ that microsound had 'arrived', yes. Ads tend to be quite conservative. But I don't think that placement on a television advertisement could ever in itself bring about the 'arrival' of microsound. > your wild-eyed free-jazz cat is still dumpster diving for dinner ... Do we care more that the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is rewarded for his efforts, or that his efforts reach the rest of the world and affect change? I think the latter. Besides, I currently earn a very enormous hourly wage for my design job, and I still dumpster dive for my dinner sometimes. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 11:39:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41396-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25638 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:46:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 25621 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:46:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:39:20 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: history of the middle class In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YqpHlCAIuJd/p4KzNgxeXwG7cJtxNJBuvLGx4khvZLYpmFkDzHYdBJ6JHenJatyqWLYszDKX8xEtVfN72GWEIoxy7Jvpvjy3H4Q9/uy9BvRKGO5bN48HZRHvqvrPaHzk6SWUEWaVKWeaXXHSByi9J9ptHrBy6WGZ3mBWWgceh8c= ; X-YMail-OSG: D6a2tZ0VM1k1aE8Ep.4O2vHyz6iUeDZWVA0em08fcga.CepYt..gC0NlkcBqscCx8kGhXzBo4wJRMqxzD7ZoG_83uTHXkTcBETnO04C6APakBW0axZTyQOXnLft.ygmkif7O7dNx0tsZFUQr88V.ldc59Ys- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this is an excellent discussion, imo. i wanted to provoke a slightly different vantage point into this. it more operates around a cluster of questions, that have to do with the present: 1. is the digital era a revolution culturally (akin to the industrial revolution)? Or a shift technologically. In other words, do things like JIT (just-in-time) technologies make an extraordinary difference to the culture of capitalism, or represent a kind of ramping up (a kind of hyper capitalism)? 2. As Negri & Hardt argue in Empire, the development of today's Neo-Liberal order -- Globalization --state was specifically created by the ruling class to essentially push back the working class and post-colonial self-determination struggles which were making popular, mass inroads into such things as quality of life issues (healthcare, education, etc. etc), as well as simply the wage. So, this communist possibility was 'sensed' by the politicos/economists of the ruling class and it was beaten back, stripped clean at its roots, so as to allow for "unfettered markets". The first structural adjustment being Sept 11, 1972 in Chile, which installed not only Pinochet but also let the "chicago school of economics" run with the ball. This 'school' was the first imprint of the new Neo-Liberal economic system (hallmarks being no welfare state, no 'dangerous' workers unions, environmental protections, reduction of education programs, etc as much as possible), to be put into place. So, now almost forty years later, with globalization -- as a cultural order or general concept -- considered not only "inevitable" but virtually the-way-things-are by most everyday people in europe and north america, I wonder where is the new point of rupture or change? In wildcat strikes in China (thousands are occuring every month), in mass uprisings in the global south (Oaxaca being a recent example)? There is a disparate quality to all these actions, as if against the police state of the Neo-Liberal order are events which are acts of resistance and genuine desire for moral sense, but which are not nonetheless, 'enough' to create a sense of global momentum across regions. Why are they not 'enough'? The media? Or are we -- the 'first' world -- so invested/socialized/scared into our corners of the hi-lo ghettos of the Terrordome vis-a-vis the non-stop sex-war-shampoo Spectacle that we can't possibly imagine 'others' as in any way our brothers and sisters (to use decidedly old fashioned terminology). 3. Theoretically speaking, what could a new post-globalization, socialist art look like? What would decidedly be its tenor, its thrust, at this point? Does a kind of melancholic glitch 'space' go beyond a humanistic soulfulness and actually challenge hegemony, at the level of the imaginary? Is singularity important (or rather how could singularity work without becoming the Great Author of the Work)? -Andrew there would > be difficulty in > 'opening' european markets due to the proliferation > of workers unions > which was an outgrowth of and directly influenced by > communist/ > socialist/anarchist/marxist (I'll call this > 'leftist' for ease of > typing) parties > so the US devised this program called the Marshall > Plan > which had two purposes: > one was the help rebuild europe (in our own > likeness) thereby > establishing markets for the US overproduction of > goods > the other was to bust the unions and discourage > 'leftist' political > philosophy from spreading in europe > thus making it cheaper for american businesses to > operate there > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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Sun Jan 28 02:21:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41395-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42280 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:28:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 42228 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:28:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:21:26 -0700 From: Dominic Tetmyer <xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] item for sale (OT) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Have an item listed on ebay. 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Sat Jan 27 23:56:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41394-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87636 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:03:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 87621 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:03:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:56:15 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BQEEEK9KKa3x7APAUWRaU70YXUV9thq/+8PgeSL9Ry7m/sWt4karMx2O9kjoXKIJAv1BReDYfnPtT8GTbMs2LzPtZPSRUYCPtCIAqPbO4WSbiayCGFHgjH7qYHXl5eUA3sr+3Gg7JetHql2HMAxkEAaekeUUsFlLdoSbCJN1f0A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a > > new microsound project? On 1/26/07, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > grab anything interesting ... posted 15 mins of the protest rally: http://or8.net/~johns/misc/20070127.mp3 there's a nice chant several minutes in, and then the bells in a nearby church started ringing, making a nice mix. the only processing i did on the file was a fade in and out, and i brought the levels down a tiny bit in the middle when it was clipping. if people want to 'reprocess' this audio- it's ok with me. i don't know how long i'll leave it up at its present location. prolly at least a month, maybe more. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Sat Jan 27 16:57:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41392-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11275 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:04:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 11258 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:04:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: M6maOj8VM1kXvoxVUXaUYnij04jqlNtdY8ewU_px5nb3OC8yrAk5QJwQnzAeIsAbNl1F3TXiLnTngL7vlHE.QFsd2EIs8_Cd9IPZvuy9Xw4x1AdIzZA- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Unfortunately Baskin Robins (this list) is now only selling only flavor.. guess which one it is? --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > v dish wrote: > > why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of > digital > > and post-digital audio culture without discussion of marxism? > > because that's like saying why can't this list be geared toward a > philosophical discussion of icecream without discussing boysenberry > flavour. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 16:52:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41391-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8473 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:58:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 8460 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:58:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: Cooptrol <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx IMHO, this list has long gone off-topic... Hernan www.cooptrol.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 16:32:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41390-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99435 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:39:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 99423 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:39:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:32:24 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q/bd1PRxz+dTCl5VC1cMrpv+Vy8Ixwo0vYja9IicMYtRkIZpeteUvqd9Bg14yNyWJp8SiFYl4RY87mDQHHSPgitJiB+z433VLuaQUbrojZwQaSbAi9Iim4HwNlz1WKlkWsZt6SHpOVzkXbqLdu6ppnnn1+rZejORikCTImqP1v0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/27/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > my point is that if advertising is an important > economic force (which it is), and if advertisers are interested in art > (which they appear to be), then art does have an effect on the economy. ok- sure. that argument is very sensible. maybe i missed something- but why do we care that advertisers are interested in art [as another means to manipulate consumers]: is that how we measure art? economically? to some people, everything in their lives is valued according to its worth in a currency. but isn't there so much more to being alive than collecting money? esp. for 'creative' people. > The wild-eyed free-jazz cats put on a gig, [deletions] > and next thing you know something of the essence of the > wild-eyed free-jazz music (mutated and translated but still there) shows up > on prime-time television selling toothpaste. sure- to grab the glitchy audience ... is this artistic sucess? does it mean microsound music has 'arrived' once it's used as a soundtrack for a television advertisement? your wild-eyed free-jazz cat is still dumpster diving for dinner ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 16:09:35 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41389-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90777 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:16:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 90758 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:16:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:09:23 -0500 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kJV+6tGCNgg4Ed1UzLesWw6gdefyHuad3m69vIyHcwyQpES37FvpN3gwfoJtx8TeUFPX0LzGjcmPbWdt9piles2m2/GjuR/agZXqVPtGa1SQf4IwMldMpbHNOUQItlPHnLSKunvXsI3ZUHq+xOMAmeFT3riw2qgbriylZhdlQfo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No one did it better than Stockhausen :). Check the 3rd region of Hymnen. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ On 1/26/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Yeah, especially since the best microsound is in the mind...tools > can't express it like I think it. > > Hah! > > Let's do a remix of the Soviet National Anthem contest. > > (In jest,) > > ~Kyle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 12:41:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41388-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15921 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:48:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 15911 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:48:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:41:23 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim Cascone wrote: > a .pdf of the first chapter only > was uploaded to the repository > in the reading dir. Thanks for that Kim. This makes me think about the "creative industry" - design, advertising, and film and television production. Given as how almost all manufacturing work now happens overseas, it could be argued that these are becoming the most economically important forces in the Western world. Now, I work in this industry (with a small company that makes interactive museum installations), and having spoken to the owners of several of the most successful companies here in Wellington, New Zealand, it strikes me that one of the things that they all have in common is an interest in art. This makes a lot of sense - advertisers are often looking for different ways of enticing people to experience their ads, and artists are often trying to create works that allow listeners or viewers to experience something new or different, or at least in a different way. Whether or not advertising is art is a separate matter and one I'm not really interested in, but my point is that if advertising is an important economic force (which it is), and if advertisers are interested in art (which they appear to be), then art does have an effect on the economy. Even if it's indirect, it's there. The wild-eyed free-jazz cats put on a gig, someone from the audience goes home later that night and composes some electronica in response; he plays it to his buddy who writes soundtracks for Saatchi & Saatchi, his buddy goes off later that week and writes some new music for the ad he's working on, having drawn inspiration from his mate's electronica, and next thing you know something of the essence of the wild-eyed free-jazz music (mutated and translated but still there) shows up on prime-time television selling toothpaste. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 12:33:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41387-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12336 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:40:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 12326 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:40:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:33:30 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx v dish wrote: > why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of digital > and post-digital audio culture without discussion of marxism? because that's like saying why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of icecream without discussing boysenberry flavour. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 12:00:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41386-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99878 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:07:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 99867 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:07:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 04:00:37 -0800 (PST) From: guiver ben <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anti-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EEgQn7Go0PMz/7oyIdsCeJkOWjGP62U1+de6JZyaov8jyqEZEAm2ik8RjWnirUEJpLevkc3VbwzYRwC1xjE25ESnZtccOa0lg6TPaH5fZTPlCw8rjlnRx5+PceRCRI8i1NpgoiLLyseJkIvgHKIN0J3t7XELhWNBTbNh4JmbIxA=; X-YMail-OSG: MOWveKEVM1kwpn2m1wotnysThkiO5cRanqqgQUp.mhg_iHEOmH3RvSeS1TggMXxZNcaaKeR4cyo04REqeTz0.IH3psW6EKfq.Nq_gzdtiuWXA87dO6mdHWNSh54EBNSwJc8Nc_IReec2wUluhRZ9zdVskUNjcQOVwR_HGZ54yQozRthMlmjS5PGz0Wqv X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx didnt think that was the point Kim's making, discussing different philosophical outlooks / pov's would make for a more diverse and richer discussion. sounds like things could be getting argumentative....this might not help....and there is a lot of contempt at times on this list, i've noted this and its a drag and unnecessary. dont feel unnecessarily excluded..... and yes swapping mp3's, myspace stuff might be better done on the announce list or off list to maintain a certain focus. i'm subbed to the announce list too.... best ben --- Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Seems to me that only certain philosophies are > acceptable (especially > ones having to do with marxists povs).. and > obviously if yours is not a > supported one then yours must be that of an > anti-intellectual. > > > Style > The way in which something is said, done, expressed, > or performed: a > style of speech and writing. > The combination of distinctive features of literary > or artistic > expression, execution, or performance characterizing > a particular > person, group, school, or era. > > Philosophy > 1. the rational investigation of the truths and > principles of being, > knowledge, or conduct. > 2. any of the three branches, namely natural > philosophy, moral > philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are > accepted as composing > this study. > > The difference seems clear to me. > > --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > > the purpose of microsound is to foster > philosophical discourse > > about > > > digital music > > > > The purpose is described on the microsound > homepage as follows: > > > > .microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented > toward discussion > > of the styles of digital and post-digital music > promulgated by the > > proliferation and widespread adoption of digital > signal processing > > (dsp) tools. > > > > My reading of "styles" is somewhat narrower than > "philosophical > > discourse" -- not that I have anything against > philosophical > > discourse. 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Sat Jan 27 05:11:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41385-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62999 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:18:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 62987 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:18:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:13 -0500 From: v dish <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z+3XZRSj/ky3W2fLMRCQuQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KPktDkcJVmeDq6DRvfzd8TSl8txnzfTyHhpYGYLVH/fnaKC5zJRhpB0tWyOH/F+9JCk/oGmn8U29B51M/Xl9Gm9b0q4yWM5axWxvz//4OF71/d6EDvE0o2mjV+LZyreyb+BKB0qu9aqKLx1JLwPCI6JsQ9TXjqArqa98peDgRwY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_z+3XZRSj/ky3W2fLMRCQuQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of digital and post-digital audio culture without discussion of marxism? On 1/26/07, Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > > > if you want the fanboy sort of thing > > I implore you to unsub from microsound and go start your own list > > on yahoogroups > > there you will be free to announce your new mp3s, post software > > reviews, chat about all the cool new CD packaging > > and send each other MySpace URL's > > ad nauseam > > > > I'm sorry to keep repeating this over and over but... > > that is not why the founders started the microsound list > > > > rigorous discussions on digital aesthetics are welcomed and > > encouraged here > > you want fluff? go elsewhere > > whether or not this is in reference to my previous post, i would like > to state that: > > 1) as stated, i am interested in theory and philosophy myself, but i > also believe there are better, more rigorous and generally useful > forums for that; > 2) i am not 'anti-intellectual'... in fact, i am pro-intellectual, if > such a thing exists, which is why i find the piecemeal nature of the > marxist banter here unbecoming; > 3) i am definitely not a fanboy and suspect many of the people here > who have a problem with the torrent of karl aren't either... i just > want intelligent discussion of music, not marxist analyses of the > middle class as they relate to the apple iphone. > > i hope nobody is taking my (or most other peoples' constructively > critical) comments personally. in the spirit of pro-intellectualism, > we should be able to discuss these things without getting upset, right? > > - jon. > > > > > ... ... ... ... ... ... ... > dizzydonor.org > > > --Boundary_(ID_z+3XZRSj/ky3W2fLMRCQuQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 01:59:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41384-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91820 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:06:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 91810 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:06:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:59:33 +1100 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LN218IbCkrqINEihTP3ikg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-AV: i="4.13,245,1167571800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="76659536:sNHT36816563" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_LN218IbCkrqINEihTP3ikg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > if you want the fanboy sort of thing > I implore you to unsub from microsound and go start your own list > on yahoogroups > there you will be free to announce your new mp3s, post software > reviews, chat about all the cool new CD packaging > and send each other MySpace URL's > ad nauseam > > I'm sorry to keep repeating this over and over but... > that is not why the founders started the microsound list > > rigorous discussions on digital aesthetics are welcomed and > encouraged here > you want fluff? go elsewhere whether or not this is in reference to my previous post, i would like to state that: 1) as stated, i am interested in theory and philosophy myself, but i also believe there are better, more rigorous and generally useful forums for that; 2) i am not 'anti-intellectual'... in fact, i am pro-intellectual, if such a thing exists, which is why i find the piecemeal nature of the marxist banter here unbecoming; 3) i am definitely not a fanboy and suspect many of the people here who have a problem with the torrent of karl aren't either... i just want intelligent discussion of music, not marxist analyses of the middle class as they relate to the apple iphone. i hope nobody is taking my (or most other peoples' constructively critical) comments personally. in the spirit of pro-intellectualism, we should be able to discuss these things without getting upset, right? - jon. .... ... ... ... ... ... ... dizzydonor.org --Boundary_(ID_LN218IbCkrqINEihTP3ikg)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 00:29:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41383-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52140 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:36:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 52130 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:36:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:29:42 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q4ers580ldCWgZ3dMzvG397kgGlUg1pdMhvcr+ienqLkQvK7IDzMae24K8OJtWmb2FJarlwNKbSfXynZ+yAam5yFBfHh7+4B0KFCDFacK9p9JruhDOnKkQO0lqdey7W4qHSs3x1L/4FNeG1o6zpNtWM2bnJHytnErLUgLPIbs5Y= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, especially since the best microsound is in the mind...tools can't express it like I think it. Hah! Let's do a remix of the Soviet National Anthem contest. (In jest,) ~Kyle On 1/26/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > one might well conclude that the tools themselves are off-topic -- or > at best, peripheral. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 23:26:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41382-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25554 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:32:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 25542 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:32:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:25:50 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GTY0D404jjUGbqt67DAOs8Wg0+P6+g7aqQvixb4X8Wk7ItjyC3gyqdeBVG2Ds7vlZu44qgDEi3kW/UaXlZQp/5ZBY6GcZF9U3+dZbiyWIbJ1pzwiflJW6TtAcFFWhymXmP/kN98BCIqOLbPw8erenbjJ1YP35fdZeVT2AGTLOQY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/26/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hahahahahhaha go off on a tangent to talk about the R1. Come on. That's funny. Well, if the list is billed as: "an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing (dsp) tools", one might well conclude that the tools themselves are off-topic -- or at best, peripheral. -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 23:17:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41381-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20727 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:24:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 20714 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:24:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:17:48 -0700 From: "Luke Iannini (pd)" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dcMykMW3fZPEqJlQ94XcaOgohoVuSFH57CqT49vDasz1PKcZ7vjQ2qsVYZzRv2kFC64GnpHPfKpY8vqcTHE51Dr09Ibf6Rj+rjRYfzBGS9NdWFm+cZoM2kztDYzGEoSMdlBoUfOY20GIl6n/30wMuYUB8cUjmhIA5CX7X6KGlbk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hahahahahhaha go off on a tangent to talk about the R1. Come on. That's funny. On 1/26/07, Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > at risk for castigation for going off on a tangent, how do you like > the edirol r1? i'm going to istanbul in april and am considering > purchase of a microsized recording device. tia. > > kevin paul > abq, nm > > > > > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > > grab anything interesting ... > > > > -- > > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 23:08:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41380-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15620 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:15:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 15582 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:15:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:08:10 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Awsome! Lets get a project going so we can possibly redirect the vibe on this list which seems to be veering all over the place of late... aLEKs On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > a .pdf of the first chapter only > was uploaded to the repository > in the reading dir. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 22:59:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41379-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10094 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:06:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 10077 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:06:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:59:36 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a .pdf of the first chapter only was uploaded to the repository in the reading dir. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:59:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41378-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75597 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:05:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 75563 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:05:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anti-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: eDxztVgVM1nSSAey9.YOAH0WyGkofULPMkRiL9jEW7JtLcBgSC0YIrYoZHcndswbUpqh3eNaih7enCEPpjq5W3Q3xU_ZmzbcDHUx9jWfXgwA.wd2981JariD1IsdwfsGc4jhzIDYnBuv.6w8jb6fuL0choTvsPK1 X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Seems to me that only certain philosophies are acceptable (especially ones having to do with marxists povs).. and obviously if yours is not a supported one then yours must be that of an anti-intellectual. Style The way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed: a style of speech and writing. The combination of distinctive features of literary or artistic expression, execution, or performance characterizing a particular person, group, school, or era. Philosophy 1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct. 2. any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study. The difference seems clear to me. --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > the purpose of microsound is to foster philosophical discourse > about > > digital music > > The purpose is described on the microsound homepage as follows: > > .microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion > of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the > proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing > (dsp) tools. > > My reading of "styles" is somewhat narrower than "philosophical > discourse" -- not that I have anything against philosophical > discourse. What about the rest of you? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:42:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41377-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65770 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:48:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 65741 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:48:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:03 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anti-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O+CpJmTA1X63onKzZ+fokhI5GFxBKSUUihOCk2//z3QLJmCYUpCbGPyO7QHLAkK4DYgXnHEy0GHD1Ny+J+riLlkdK7Fh7w0OchfqpnWUJJebbTkvyWgzpOrX2HLL7079Ak/WajAnwkoDpqY2NxuiIWZF1CKWfEdrJHZGHT7axNo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > the purpose of microsound is to foster philosophical discourse about > digital music The purpose is described on the microsound homepage as follows: ..microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing (dsp) tools. My reading of "styles" is somewhat narrower than "philosophical discourse" -- not that I have anything against philosophical discourse. What about the rest of you? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:27:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41376-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54532 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:34:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 54519 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:34:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:27:28 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] anti-intellectualism To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_J+RjJHv7l/oYBuO98RMqZg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_J+RjJHv7l/oYBuO98RMqZg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is a rampant anti-intellectualism displayed by people on this list who have somehow misjudged its purpose the purpose of microsound is to foster philosophical discourse about digital music not just weigh in on topics with personal opinions there is a very important legacy in aesthetics of Marxist critique [good place to start BTW is Macdonald Daly's -- 'A Primer in Marxist Aesthetics'] and I see no reason not to discuss the foundation of Marxist philosophy with other list members in order for them to gain a better understanding and further engage in discussions that might include Marxist thought I find that most of the anti-intellectualism on this list can be attributed one thing: people's desire to turn the microsound list into a fanboy trainspotting list because they would rather be 'entertained' and don't want to challenged by philosophical discussions because it is uncomfortable for them if you want the fanboy sort of thing I implore you to unsub from microsound and go start your own list on yahoogroups there you will be free to announce your new mp3s, post software reviews, chat about all the cool new CD packaging and send each other MySpace URL's ad nauseam I'm sorry to keep repeating this over and over but... that is not why the founders started the microsound list rigorous discussions on digital aesthetics are welcomed and encouraged here you want fluff? go elsewhere --Boundary_(ID_J+RjJHv7l/oYBuO98RMqZg)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:12:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41374-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43967 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:18:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 43953 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:18:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:11:52 -0700 From: Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BirxHfgz1Fx4TrPeql7pJFIC2Yid9XIvFeKXt61cs3BWPi3R98yV8o3YMtpXwSoxZgCPtMU5DypPcOGDlNz9BGEax3or9EEm41Scuqylq3RpxO3srZOdbMTu5PFAW59fEUZTIF7i2aB7aVWGDGMQtQ2Fd1ELg5aVFcYaWumnIUg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx at risk for castigation for going off on a tangent, how do you like the edirol r1? i'm going to istanbul in april and am considering purchase of a microsized recording device. tia. kevin paul abq, nm > > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > grab anything interesting ... > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:06:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41373-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40222 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:13:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 40206 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:13:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:08:25 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Fwd: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <00e001c74186$52b909f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DMCA Notice to the site's ISP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA#Example_of_DMCA_Takedown_Provision Chris Bryan wrote: > So, my label's releases are up for sale illegally on this website 2. > I know there have been posts in the past regarding this happening > before. Anyone have any experience with what to do about this? > -chris > (1.8)sec.records > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Afe Records <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:12 PM > Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ > To: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > [Segue versione italiana] > > Hello, I recently discovered this website: http://boxmp3.net/ > > They are illegally selling hundreds and hundreds of albums in mp3 format. > > I was quite surprise to discover that some of my music is included along > with many other well-known and lesser-known artists operating in the > experimental/ambient/alternative scene. > > I don't know what can be done to stop the unauthorized selling, but I think > that the first step is to inform all the artists and labels. > > I invite you to check if your music is available on such website (...and > there is a high chance that it is, including albums released in very > limited > editions...) and to spread this news to all your friends, musicians, > newsgroups, myspace pages, etc. > > Thanks for reading, ciao! > > (8-) Andrea > > > > Ciao, oggi ho scoperto l'esistenza di questo sito: http://boxmp3.net/ > > Su tale sito è possibile acquistare centinaia, migliaia di albums in > formato > mp3. > > Sono rimasto piuttosto sopreso di scoprire che anche alcuni miei dischi > sono > scaricabili insieme a un sacco di altri albums di musicisti operanti nel > settore della sperimentazione. > > Non ho idea di che cosa si possa fare per fermare questa vendita non > autorizzata, ma credo che il primo passo da fare sia quello di informare > dell'accaduto il maggior numero possibile di musicisti ed etichette. > > Vi invito a controllare se la vostra musica è disponibile sul sito in > oggetto (...ed è molto probabile che lo sia, comprese album editi in > pochissimi esemplari...) e a inoltrare questo messaggio a tutti i vostri > contatti in ambito musicale e, soprattutto, newsgroups, forums, pagine > myspace, etc. > > Grazie per l'attenzione, ciao! > > (8-) Andrea > > Afe Records www.aferecords.com > Andrea Marutti www.aferecords.com/am > Amon / Never Known www.aferecords.com/ank > The Afeman on MySpace www.myspace.com/afeman > Afe Records on MySpace www.myspace.com/aferecords > Afe Pins on MySpace www.myspace.com/afepins > The Afeman's pictures on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/afeman > > Andrea Marutti > Via Villoresi, 5 > 20143 Milano > Italy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 20:59:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41372-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36389 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:06:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 36379 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:06:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:59:33 -0600 From: Chris Bryan <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Fwd: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ In-reply-to: <00e001c74186$52b909f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CLdNPL20qV1loumc7lGKx4c3LWfNNVYoEhP2s3wFzqLra3uojroSnxF2vGLP51TJgec+FZpkL3Ev61tLTEhE3o1//eWYOfzbtjinsE0IjrNTJQjueSVGu3WbxIa4IxpxbcoZ49cRnfIuK9meUGSRguF/LfP76bV6MD6ujsy4kBo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <00e001c74186$52b909f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx So, my label's releases are up for sale illegally on this website 2. I know there have been posts in the past regarding this happening before. Anyone have any experience with what to do about this? -chris (1.8)sec.records ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Afe Records <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ To: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx [Segue versione italiana] Hello, I recently discovered this website: http://boxmp3.net/ They are illegally selling hundreds and hundreds of albums in mp3 format. I was quite surprise to discover that some of my music is included along with many other well-known and lesser-known artists operating in the experimental/ambient/alternative scene. I don't know what can be done to stop the unauthorized selling, but I think that the first step is to inform all the artists and labels. I invite you to check if your music is available on such website (...and there is a high chance that it is, including albums released in very limited editions...) and to spread this news to all your friends, musicians, newsgroups, myspace pages, etc. Thanks for reading, ciao! (8-) Andrea Ciao, oggi ho scoperto l'esistenza di questo sito: http://boxmp3.net/ Su tale sito è possibile acquistare centinaia, migliaia di albums in formato mp3. Sono rimasto piuttosto sopreso di scoprire che anche alcuni miei dischi sono scaricabili insieme a un sacco di altri albums di musicisti operanti nel settore della sperimentazione. Non ho idea di che cosa si possa fare per fermare questa vendita non autorizzata, ma credo che il primo passo da fare sia quello di informare dell'accaduto il maggior numero possibile di musicisti ed etichette. Vi invito a controllare se la vostra musica è disponibile sul sito in oggetto (...ed è molto probabile che lo sia, comprese album editi in pochissimi esemplari...) e a inoltrare questo messaggio a tutti i vostri contatti in ambito musicale e, soprattutto, newsgroups, forums, pagine myspace, etc. Grazie per l'attenzione, ciao! (8-) Andrea Afe Records www.aferecords.com Andrea Marutti www.aferecords.com/am Amon / Never Known www.aferecords.com/ank The Afeman on MySpace www.myspace.com/afeman Afe Records on MySpace www.myspace.com/aferecords Afe Pins on MySpace www.myspace.com/afepins The Afeman's pictures on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/afeman Andrea Marutti Via Villoresi, 5 20143 Milano Italy -- |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| (1.8)sec.records www.1pt8.com <---hey look, it's a .com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Two (1.8)sec.records releases featured on xstream-radio top 10 http://xstreamradio.free.fr/topten.htm |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| || 3x3is9 - Data Errors + Field Recordings mp3 EP on Robotopera [o.o] )))) http://robotopera.yearofthemachine.com/rop-003.php |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 19:30:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41371-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84381 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:36:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 84368 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:36:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 8uEDpdQVM1ljfIZ_LPo6q5K_EEakck7KHkm7w_1NTDyLk8nlYmXpVc8zG9jJCyTvoUPb3blS.gK9YMsDuh9px3b4mmT6R6c0ogrQxyyJXrWG.Fy_sNZKwz7GH6zEpFWpkeZZ1PkRJt8USgc- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Watch out for this if u protest, your tax dollars may cook you alive > in the very near future! What happened to good ole tear gas???? There's nothing better than propaganda to make people fearful of "non-lethal" weapons. Actually it'd be awesome if the gov would use such a thing on US citizens.. maybe then people would actually "do something". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 19:09:17 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41370-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73343 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 73331 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:09:04 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Watch out for this if u protest, your tax dollars may cook you alive in the very near future! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6300985.stm I wish more people would take the initiative, or at least get off of there asses and get involved. I also think this would be a great subject matter for a Project. aLEKs On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:28 PM, john saylor wrote: > hi > > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a >> new microsound project? > > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > grab anything interesting ... > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 18:28:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41369-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52474 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:35:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 52462 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:35:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:28:29 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j+C1zHtOY+vQasRcgc3A/3iPZVMVtpUng6t8+1xdTpSNcwN7RWjWkXjZPgtfm8EgAqttGoL57S85A2rTTsEqsR0d1EHxmEmiIHKjpvEuPcRHJ7yGTND94h5FpF+AYsCn4boRHCMGzODvCSBD3suFPs+pn3PyPPwkcwgiFaO61CY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a > new microsound project? i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can grab anything interesting ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 17:54:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41368-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34196 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 34179 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:54:26 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uoWU5tXDMKGXYG2MjlsEPg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_uoWU5tXDMKGXYG2MjlsEPg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to US citizens: I encourage you to get out there and have your voice heard tomorrow check this web site for info on a protest in a city near you: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/ maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a new microsound project? --Boundary_(ID_uoWU5tXDMKGXYG2MjlsEPg)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 14:41:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41367-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33795 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:48:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 33784 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:48:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:41:46 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PUMk4vbX2YcraunEKytlbLroxd6xmwYQAt7rNbY8rnhKF0JU5pMZuSSgbTuu0Nduv3stq8QgvIJBjts/PwFUFhhaX/or5Pj5RpAeW+rrdXpsf5AobzUowgEM0gvw7LBdl51or0CLSWJLfsW951lsLYgaX4jkGNpU03GEAd/N7j8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Great! It's especially hilarious since Al Gore is an Apple board member. This quote is particularly appealing, and On Topic for this Off Topic thread: "Someone important once said 'It is difficult to get a man to understand the need for something when he already has it in his pocket.'" ~Kyle On 1/26/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/25/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... > > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html > > And more still: > > http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/911.html > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 12:18:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41366-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64850 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:25:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 64837 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:25:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:18:31 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DDOBjnHL1p2yFEmVTuIYGv9CRrwSAUmx8muMz+40rzQLN34OAbf5kztLPXdQcKIgRgGXr0JmWadJ6BsAUjeSA5ya66A2j761szK91x3yO+N0UFuXr2qUIfj6u5TtXxJRF0gzeIntzgXrAbrmTMMDgYBOM04NAiIvIf/7smYylW8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/25/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html And more still: http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/911.html -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:45:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41365-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43946 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:52:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 43936 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:52:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:43:50 -0800 From: gerwin <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PocoMail 4.1 (3650) - Licensed Version Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dude. so you learned a grate deal from some listfolk on the various topics that have been explored. good for you. > As far as middle-class crap. Read 'Lies My Teacher Told Me' by > James W. Loewen. I am still reading it and it will contradict > all the crap you have been say thus far. this is brilliant. it's just about the most inarticulate response to the challenges posed by the current discussion that i can imagine. you *really* put those left-wing wackos in their place. and once you're done reading that important text, do report your findings to us. tell it like it is! the degree of hostility to any kind of complex intellectual engagement or rumination continues to amaze me. what's up with that? where does that *fear* come from? what's grating you? read a book. make some connections. bring the love. don't be afraid. gerwin. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:32:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41364-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34977 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:38:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 34952 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:38:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:29:39 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx good. shit. art. http://www.clioawards.com/winners/index.cfm On 25-Jan-07, at 3:16 PM, Steven McLeod wrote: > "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and > that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned > with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses > psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life > will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, > sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the > way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose > one could say that, not my asthetic tho... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" > <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > > >> Hallo, >> Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing >>> as an >>> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done >>> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good >>> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. >>> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. >> >> Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing >> uses >> these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't >> make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. >> >> Ciao >> -- >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: >> 23/01/2007 08:02 >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:16:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41363-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24829 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:23:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 24819 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:23:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:16:18 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose one could say that, not my asthetic tho... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > Hallo, > Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: > >> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing as an >> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done >> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good >> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. >> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. > > Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing uses > these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't > make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: 23/01/2007 > 08:02 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:15:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41362-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23650 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:22:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 23637 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:22:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 5mtgMq8VM1lRUjeXHr0RlfEVsqDwlehg4qvhC.fl3vlqlzZuXAZgSlq6mGcWxyiVpszFduoVTmkZAfYr3PGFeZ.VT4APMIucz29gh1PGzHFjfbfMJ_Q- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending the > marketing didn't get to you.... You owe me ten bucks.. The best thing about the apple ipods and stuff is that there is pleothora of accesories.. I bought a cheaper mp3 player several years ago and have never been able to find a usb car lighter adpater that worked with it short of buying an invertor and even then I can't listen while it freaking recharges. So for the premium price of apple products you can be sure that you'll beable to get all the realworld widgets you need to make use of it. Marketing??? Whatever... my cellphone is 6 year old nokia that I only recently discovered can send text messages..yeah! Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 19:56:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41361-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11097 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:02:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 11086 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:02:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:11 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] evolutionary musical organism To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=McE1RLcDB5Ufk1DdwExAbCjCmnO75e7vAwoGk34EpU1FD/o5eNaKIqN28kkxGXW/5GvCsg4L6/RCo9mfsasWgYXbc8hzgtXdDagb36IViCHMtqZlidbFo9m3znxIaafnKTKi4F12Nok0fdPxzIstke7AZqH3VwEC9jwaB+CAFCo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't think anything about this has been posted here yet. http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/009294.php Don't have time to look further into it myself, and there's always a danger that I'll forget, so here's the URL for anyone with free time at the moment... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 16:10:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41360-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78613 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:17:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 78594 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:17:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:10:19 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lsoIEOw0EJP8zbcsQY2/hy4yeCnxARrKzdP7mnB+9w+BgdhIW5d2osHJxQQoryWAMuKmLo4mRiLkR0PEecgjfA7HfGPbrxtsPlXF6GS1v30zWutWhWfo+e5+IQBU0Ganka8eRBioHk/bY8Mmdhv00QcwepRoJK7hJGqyzZrtMnI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hahaha, that was quite amusing. I love McSweeny's, thanks for sharing. ~Kyle On 1/25/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/19/07, emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnIajyXDLs&mode=related&search= > > A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... > > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 15:19:08 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41359-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45254 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:25:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 45241 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:25:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:18:55 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hkAaWua9v4HyTm09K2+jBaqEUqlepr/Y6Ib4beH9Vreb+2jRk4pgiR1jB6iJ6wmo8lmJ7R8xvQHeF736tH1xD76cQugUCsHoukjMdSTME51A6egkfiVzbhAFEC8LuksvHyGIH2EUgL0vLIGl5eda38N8HuMIdJ2coqtUKD0qRJc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/19/07, emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnIajyXDLs&mode=related&search= A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 04:15:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41358-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59868 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:22:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 59858 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:22:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:15:41 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] "Most Horrible Sound in the World" To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The "sound 101" site mentioned below is pretty amusing - take the test! [links and formatting in original] http://tinyurl.com/2mkhmt January 24, 2007, 10:00 am Most Horrible Sound in the World By Tom Zeller Jr. A British researcher says he has uncovered what he believes is the most horrible sound in the world — or at least it was rated the most horrible of 34 sample sounds listened to by over a million Internet participants over the last year. A professor at Britain's Salford University, Trevor Cox, claims to have reached a new plateau in the understanding of human hearing and acoustics, based on a year of input from of over a million online test subjects: Vomiting is the worst sound ever. Or, at least, vomiting as recorded for Professor Cox's acoustics tests, and as performed by a hired actor using a bucket of diluted baked beans to recreate the sound of cascading slop. “I am driven by a scientific curiosity about why people shudder at certain sounds and not others,” Professor Cox said at his Web site. "We are pre-programmed to be repulsed by horrible things such as vomiting, as it is fundamental to staying alive to avoid nasty stuff but, interestingly, the voting patterns from the sound did not match expectation for a pure‘disgust’reaction.” (Readers who feel brave, and wish to listen to the foul sound clip can do so here, but be warned: it sounds, well, like someone vomiting.) As Britain's Guardian newspaper put it today: The study...sought opinions on 34 sounds at the Web site http://www.sound101.org in the hope of learning what makes certain noises so objectionable... The researchers expected sounds that evoke disgust to be near the top of the list, such as vomiting, coughing and spitting, eating an apple with the mouth open and a lengthy blast from a whoopee cushion. Revulsion to such sounds is partly governed by culture and partly an evolutionary legacy that helps us avoid picking up diseases. Indeed, the question of just how much of the “disgust” response is nature and how much is nurture has been a matter of some speculation. In 2004, researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, writing in the journal Biology Letters, suggested that they’d found evidence that the human proclivity to become disgusted by certain things — say, feces or rotting meat — was an instinctive and evolutionary response, developed to protect us from the risk of disease. Other researchers, BBC News pointed out at the time, attribute the disgust response to learned behavior. Clark McCauley, a professor of psychology at Bryn Mawr University College in Pennsylvania, spoke to The BBC: “What people today find disgusting goes far beyond what can be understood in the evolutionary sense,” Professor McCauley told BBC News Online. “This biological mechanism was taken up and extended to produce a much broader mechanism of revulsion at different cultural horizons. “For example, what counts for appropriate care of hair in our society is not the same as in some other societies.” (Readers who want to test their own stomachs can take a “Disgust Test” at the BBC, in which they are invited to rate a series of images — from a dirty soccer ball to rotting teeth — on a scale from “Not Disgusted” to “Very Disgusted.”) As for Professor Cox's disgusting sounds study, it's worth noting that the classic bad sound — fingernails on a chalkboard — ranked only 16th among the field of 34 horrible sounds. (Note, too, that researchers have explored whether human revulsion to that sound derives from its similarity to the warning cries of macaque monkeys — the idea being that our response to the scraping might be some residual reflex handed down from our ancestors.) Ranking No. 2, just after vomiting, was the sound of microphone feedback. And tying at number three were the sounds of many babies crying, and what was simply called a “horrible scraping” sound. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 01:40:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41357-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3682 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:47:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 3628 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:47:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:31 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class X-Originating-IP: 68.49.52.232 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.80) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Jan 2007 01:40:32 -0000 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jon, I fully agree. We have been reminded far too many times from Kim himself that this is a thread for microsound and the announce list is a different thread. I have learned a grate deal from most everyone's feedback on the various topics that have been explored. As far as middle-class crap. Read 'Lies My Teacher Told Me' by James W. Loewen. I am still reading it and it will contradict all the crap you have been say thus far. I just may bump off this thread again. Derek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:48:26 +1100 > > > i have to admit, even as someone who is really interested in politics, > history and critical theory, it's getting really tiresome the way > marxist rant clogs this list up every few weeks. not only that, but > it's really trite, too; and that figures, really, considering this is a > list about microsound, not about political theory (so it should follow > that it isn't quite the right forum to perfect an understanding of the > term 'bourgeois', for example). worse still, anyone who doesn't agree > or who contradicts this understanding of the world / society / > microsound is shouted down in a torrent of boring links and shabby > textual references. > > thank goodness for the handful of genuinely interesting people still > posting to this list. despite how much anyone wants to make it so, > microsound isn't 'left-wing' music. you should know well enough that a > style can't seal in meaning. all your references to punk should have > taught you that. > > best wishes, > jon. > > .. > dizzydonor.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 00:48:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41356-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77931 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 77918 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:48:26 +1100 From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-ISP: TPG Internet Australia http://www.tpg.com.au/ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i have to admit, even as someone who is really interested in politics, history and critical theory, it's getting really tiresome the way marxist rant clogs this list up every few weeks. not only that, but it's really trite, too; and that figures, really, considering this is a list about microsound, not about political theory (so it should follow that it isn't quite the right forum to perfect an understanding of the term 'bourgeois', for example). worse still, anyone who doesn't agree or who contradicts this understanding of the world / society / microsound is shouted down in a torrent of boring links and shabby textual references. thank goodness for the handful of genuinely interesting people still posting to this list. despite how much anyone wants to make it so, microsound isn't 'left-wing' music. you should know well enough that a style can't seal in meaning. all your references to punk should have taught you that. best wishes, jon. ... dizzydonor.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 24 23:32:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41355-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31984 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:39:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 31973 invoked from network); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:39:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:03:03 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] history of the middle class To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I think that the 'Middle Class' was a tactical construction to combat > the growing threat of Marxism in the Post-WWII Western world. well it's a complex issue post WWII american businesses found that there would be difficulty in 'opening' european markets due to the proliferation of workers unions which was an outgrowth of and directly influenced by communist/ socialist/anarchist/marxist (I'll call this 'leftist' for ease of typing) parties so the US devised this program called the Marshall Plan which had two purposes: one was the help rebuild europe (in our own likeness) thereby establishing markets for the US overproduction of goods the other was to bust the unions and discourage 'leftist' political philosophy from spreading in europe thus making it cheaper for american businesses to operate there in order to understand the US situation you need to read a little about labor unions in the US most unions were rank and file pretty much 'leftist' while leftists have always had problems here in the US post- industrial revolution it wasn't until after WWII and the start of the cold war that the US started to bust the unions here as well witness the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 shortly afterwards McCarthy was made the head witch-hunter of the red scare and further made it verboten to be a leftist and/or join a union without suspicion of being a communist so when you use the term 'middle class' you have to realize that the term changed its meaning over the years (~20C onwards) from meaning blue collar/working class to a more inclusive term meaning blue and white collar workers so middle class was not something that was invented in the US but rather is a stratification which occurs under capitalism > Because socialist trends were developing and outright during the first > half of the 20th Century, there was a growing concern that the unruly > masses would rebel and take down the Bourgeoisie class. not really the bourgeoisie but the elite, ruling class, the capitalists, the wealthy, the captains of industry > > The easiest solution to this was to extend the concept of 'property > ownership' to include niceties like washing machines, personal > vehicles, houses, and the like. in marxism the phrase 'private property' doesn't refer to cars, appliances, etc this often confuses people 'private property' refers to the 'means of production' owned by capitalists i.e., it is privately owned and not state owned private property refers to the printing presses, assembly lines, automotive plants, steel foundries, etc owned by private corporations the items you mention are better termed 'commodities' the phenomenon you refer to is called 'commodity fetishism' (the desire to own goods aroused by marketing rather than need) > Then the dominant class could point to > these trinkets (which by no means match the real idea of property > ownership in terms of means of production) see above > and say, 'the Commies want > to take away your right to own these things,' and thus scare the lowly > serfs into protecting their minuscule treasures from the Red Devils. yes...but this is because they twisted the meaning of private property this is often used to further try and spread misinformation about leftist politics it is the means of production that should belong to the state which is made up of the people which we have mini-me versions of in the US in the form of workers collectives and cooperatives > So, in a sense, Marx DID predict the future. marx wasn't the first to have figured out where all this was headed...there were other thinkers in England and France who had covered similar ground but were less well known > But by writing it down, > the elite power structure was able to hedge the flow of history by > offering a palatable alternative by leveraging marketing, debt, and > greed. that all depends on what you mean by a palatable alternative...? is capitalism really a palatable alternative to self-governed autonomy? you also have to figure into this the aspect of societal control exercised by religion which set a precedent in offering consolation to the down-trodden and needy while it kept aristocracy and merchants and church elite fat and powerful for many years before capitalism evolved (due to mass production via machines) once a system of control is in place is it easy to replace or expand that system capitalism is anathema to what it started out to be: a system of self- correcting free markets which would benefit all citizens who participated it has turned into corporate feudalism in which only the top 2% benefit at the expense of the rest --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 24 17:52:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41354-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50072 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:59:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 50005 invoked from network); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:59:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:51:23 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Soundbikes In-reply-to: <p06200709c1da2ef1de88@[192.168.0.2]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200701c1dd4c1ab640@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eOnu9G6dijw0Bqr6kSOEtw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <p06200709c1da2ef1de88@[192.168.0.2]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_eOnu9G6dijw0Bqr6kSOEtw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thought y'all might find this interesting. R. STEIM presents a workshop and a lecture by soundbike artist Kaspar König. Soundbikes - BIKE YOUR BEAT by Kaspar König A workshop in which do-it-yourself manipulation of ordinairy bicycles leads to high-end sound-generators and performing instruments. Bring a bike and transform it together with the knowledge and enthousiasm of inventor-artist Kaspar König. Creating acoustic extensions for the bicycle sounds like a contradiction-in-terms to the design of a bicycle. In this workshop everybody is invited to discover the many sounds hidden in the bicycle itself and the bicycling. To make a regular bicycle-sound we can easily neglect the maintainance of a bicycle. By not only turning the bicycle upside down but by actively adding sound-sensors, we'll discover the possibilities of soundbiking. Add-ons can be everything from a playing-card and laundry wedges, to fully powered amplification for strings, microphones and all other things that fit the conditions of the soundbicycle and its creative maker. How can a bicycle brake become a brake beat? By turning the wheel regularly, a bicycle likely becomes a time-pulse or measure. By finding the right spots to control the sound input, more musical patterns can be discovered while the wheel is turning. Now it's up to our imagination to invent all kinds of little things we could try to mount on the existing mechanisms as well as discover new mechanisms. Can every bicycle become a musical instrument? Basically yes, if some parts are still rotating, sounds can be created. Although a full functional bicycle can ride on the streets and the street is the best trigger for the soundbike! Is there a composition in the street? That is a good question. For many reasons I believe several streets sound better then others with and without the use of a soundbike, depending on the charactaristics of the bike and the street. Drive your soundbike outside and experience the biggest score of the world: the street! Let your ear decide! Location: STEIM, Achtergracht 19, Amsterdam Dates: Monday February 19 through Thursday February 22 Time: 10:00 - 17:00h Fee: ¤ 100 The fee for the workshop is ¤100, registration can be done only through the STEIM website, at http://www.steim.org/steim/workshops.php . For questions please email xxxxx@xxxxx.xx or call +31 206228690. Also: AUDIOSPORT Lecture A lecture on the works of Kaspar König: Recycling firehose, Transmitting Object Behaviours, Architectural Acoustic research (xiloseum), Mr. Bend and How sound meets sport in the festival called Audiolympics, Beijing 08. Location: STEIM, Utrechtsedwarsstraat 134, Amsterdam Date: Tuesday February 20 Time: 20:30h Entrance: free And: At the Y-helling (NDSM) on Saturday February 24 A concert with Kaspar König and guests playing the soundbikes and the circuitbended hardwarehacks like the Audioshaver from China. More information www.kasparkoenig.com Biography Kaspar König (1975) is a dutch artist living in Berlin and Maastricht . He studied Industrial Design at the UdK in Berlin. He is interested in the goods for daily use and their sound-universe. He invents instruments like the Soundbikes and Mr. Bend and he recycles firehoses in a delicate way. Furthermore he composes soundpieces for (dance) theatre. Recently he started working as a lecturer at the Cafa in Beijing. 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Mon Jan 22 22:14:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41353-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5434 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:20:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 5423 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:20:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:14:10 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] society of debt In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1581036,00.html?cnn=yes the iPhone suddenly doesn't look so bad... g. On 22-Jan-07, at 4:12 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the >> 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United >> States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of >> acquiring >> loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun >> intended). > yes this is a very interesting topic > in a nutshell: > during WWII the engines of production had been running full blast > it was the first time since the depression that the US had been > producing at that level > but of course most of the goods we were producing were going to the > war effort: > bombs, planes, uniforms, bullets, guns, walkie-talkies, etc. > were all being produced by a machine that had not existed before > this was the birth of the US military-industrial complex > companies had gotten fat off the war > and once it was over and > the soldiers came back home from the war > they needed to work > so factories were retooled for producing consumer goods > which had to produce x amount to be profitable > so we 'rebuilt' Europe and opened those markets to american goods > but in order to keep the home fires burning > we also needed to open US markets as well > so the automobile was marketed heavily and sold as part of the > american dream > as well as appliances for stay-at-home moms raising the kids > being born after WWII > this was called the 'baby boom' > problem was americans weren't consuming as much as corporations > needed them to > so the credit card was introduced > the first 'general purpose' credit or charge card in the US was the > Diners Club card -- introduced in 1950 > > check out a good documentary here: > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ > > so americans could now consume more than they produced > in other words: they were able to buy more than their salaries > would allow them to > and we have been on a steadily rising curve of consumption > we consume way more than we produce > and in order to sustain this > we are in debt > massive debt > as a nation and as a society > and marketing greases the engine of consumer debt > by making us believe that we need more than we actually do > which is a waste of resources and contributes to global warming > > another good documentary: > http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ > > > "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of > actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, > synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or > generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or > communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary > form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend > subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, > consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, > breadth, and fairness." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 22:03:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41352-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98674 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 98658 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:03:31 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] society of debt In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ws9VQVyJMl+OuNPLsNcW5s/ash5GYfEgIgDYG4QqvRz8cg/uYrrqBhg/kbe7zjd/azDa48TIrrno05W/IvmhC6QnJBbfp6hofcg4+QvFPhAZQHD0bqksKVEm4NFcOIgWuGy7fEzgXXm/8xdGW6+taw7No5pnVqryFPfxwXSPKoI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is turning into a delightful discussion that touches some deep issues that have been plaguing my thoughts lately. I've been toying with an idea lately that somehow sprung up in my mind, but is more than likely mentioned in a paper or journal somewhere that I'm unaware of. I think that the 'Middle Class' was a tactical construction to combat the growing threat of Marxism in the Post-WWII Western world. Because socialist trends were developing and outright during the first half of the 20th Century, there was a growing concern that the unruly masses would rebel and take down the Bourgeoisie class. The easiest solution to this was to extend the concept of 'property ownership' to include niceties like washing machines, personal vehicles, houses, and the like. Then the dominant class could point to these trinkets (which by no means match the real idea of property ownership in terms of means of production) and say, 'the Commies want to take away your right to own these things,' and thus scare the lowly serfs into protecting their minuscule treasures from the Red Devils. So, in a sense, Marx DID predict the future. But by writing it down, the elite power structure was able to hedge the flow of history by offering a palatable alternative by leveraging marketing, debt, and greed. Thoughts on this? ~Kyle On 1/22/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the > > 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United > > States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of acquiring > > loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun > > intended). > yes this is a very interesting topic > in a nutshell: > during WWII the engines of production had been running full blast > it was the first time since the depression that the US had been > producing at that level > but of course most of the goods we were producing were going to the > war effort: > bombs, planes, uniforms, bullets, guns, walkie-talkies, etc. > were all being produced by a machine that had not existed before > this was the birth of the US military-industrial complex > companies had gotten fat off the war > and once it was over and > the soldiers came back home from the war > they needed to work > so factories were retooled for producing consumer goods > which had to produce x amount to be profitable > so we 'rebuilt' Europe and opened those markets to american goods > but in order to keep the home fires burning > we also needed to open US markets as well > so the automobile was marketed heavily and sold as part of the > american dream > as well as appliances for stay-at-home moms raising the kids > being born after WWII > this was called the 'baby boom' > problem was americans weren't consuming as much as corporations > needed them to > so the credit card was introduced > the first 'general purpose' credit or charge card in the US was the > Diners Club card -- introduced in 1950 > > check out a good documentary here: > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ > > so americans could now consume more than they produced > in other words: they were able to buy more than their salaries would > allow them to > and we have been on a steadily rising curve of consumption > we consume way more than we produce > and in order to sustain this > we are in debt > massive debt > as a nation and as a society > and marketing greases the engine of consumer debt > by making us believe that we need more than we actually do > which is a waste of resources and contributes to global warming > > another good documentary: > http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ > > > "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of > actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, > synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or > generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or > communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary > form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend > subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, > relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness." > > > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 21:12:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41351-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66543 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:18:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 66532 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:12:19 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] society of debt To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yxUxYFmOf14bmyKz//Q3hQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_yxUxYFmOf14bmyKz//Q3hQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the > 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United > States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of acquiring > loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun > intended). yes this is a very interesting topic in a nutshell: during WWII the engines of production had been running full blast it was the first time since the depression that the US had been producing at that level but of course most of the goods we were producing were going to the war effort: bombs, planes, uniforms, bullets, guns, walkie-talkies, etc. were all being produced by a machine that had not existed before this was the birth of the US military-industrial complex companies had gotten fat off the war and once it was over and the soldiers came back home from the war they needed to work so factories were retooled for producing consumer goods which had to produce x amount to be profitable so we 'rebuilt' Europe and opened those markets to american goods but in order to keep the home fires burning we also needed to open US markets as well so the automobile was marketed heavily and sold as part of the american dream as well as appliances for stay-at-home moms raising the kids being born after WWII this was called the 'baby boom' problem was americans weren't consuming as much as corporations needed them to so the credit card was introduced the first 'general purpose' credit or charge card in the US was the Diners Club card -- introduced in 1950 check out a good documentary here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ so americans could now consume more than they produced in other words: they were able to buy more than their salaries would allow them to and we have been on a steadily rising curve of consumption we consume way more than we produce and in order to sustain this we are in debt massive debt as a nation and as a society and marketing greases the engine of consumer debt by making us believe that we need more than we actually do which is a waste of resources and contributes to global warming another good documentary: http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness." --Boundary_(ID_yxUxYFmOf14bmyKz//Q3hQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 21:01:26 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41350-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59543 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:07:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 59520 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:07:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:05:10 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ten bucks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ah but you do use a mac! and you are pretending the marketing didn't get to you. i said: > here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending > the marketing didn't get to you.... and i'd argue that part of the marketing towards beginners is usability, osx-unix towards advanced users. of course they are just nice features too. look, it's all the same to me, but i'd never go as far as (for myself) stating that i'm immune to marketing just because i'm critical towards it. as you stated, it works on so many levels. you're going to have to do better than that ; ) Op 22-jan-07, om 21:44 heeft Kim Cascone het volgende geschreven: > a friends Dad worked for IBM for many years > back in 1979 or so I helped him unpack and set up the first IBM > computer sold on the market > I much preferred my KIM-1 single board microcomputer on which I had > taught myself Assembly Language > > in the late 80's I had been working as a sound editor in the film > industry > most people in film sound were very reluctant to make the switch > from 35mm mag to digital > they didn't think they were smart enough to work a computer > but Apple was invading the post production environment via a sound > editor called 'Alchemy' by Donny Blank > then Q-Sheet, Sound Designer and finally Sound Tools by Digidesign > which then became Pro Tools > > but it wasn't until 1989 that I bought my first Mac > it was more than I could afford and I wrote a Filemaker database to > track sales and inventory for my company Silent Records > we ran Silent on it for a year or so until salespeople needed > individual access to the database > then we needed to design catalogs and CD covers > then I started mastering all the CD's on the label > and we kept buying more and more Mac's > > so I can safely say that my use of Mac's was never really driven by > the mystification created by Apple > > but more of what OS was simpler for salespeople and artists to use > -- which at that time was Apple not Microsoft > > I now use both Linux and OS X because they are both based on UNIX > not because the marketing 'got to me' > > so please Paypal me 10 bucks > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 20:45:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41349-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52236 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:51:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 52204 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:51:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:44:39 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ten bucks To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a friends Dad worked for IBM for many years back in 1979 or so I helped him unpack and set up the first IBM computer sold on the market I much preferred my KIM-1 single board microcomputer on which I had taught myself Assembly Language in the late 80's I had been working as a sound editor in the film industry most people in film sound were very reluctant to make the switch from 35mm mag to digital they didn't think they were smart enough to work a computer but Apple was invading the post production environment via a sound editor called 'Alchemy' by Donny Blank then Q-Sheet, Sound Designer and finally Sound Tools by Digidesign which then became Pro Tools but it wasn't until 1989 that I bought my first Mac it was more than I could afford and I wrote a Filemaker database to track sales and inventory for my company Silent Records we ran Silent on it for a year or so until salespeople needed individual access to the database then we needed to design catalogs and CD covers then I started mastering all the CD's on the label and we kept buying more and more Mac's so I can safely say that my use of Mac's was never really driven by the mystification created by Apple but more of what OS was simpler for salespeople and artists to use -- which at that time was Apple not Microsoft I now use both Linux and OS X because they are both based on UNIX not because the marketing 'got to me' so please Paypal me 10 bucks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 20:43:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41348-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50280 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:49:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 50269 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:49:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.3 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UUfMGqAQUsfVbkHvR3HvlA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZgP4yNrYXSpWEy056K/taAS1qChXVFWZ+eUqg4/YS/MsHGrczpmdTdtz1TdGNudhKoVG5SFAgALCaIG8pRfzgu0DHqxZmS+QeLEKoeTRRqNruNmuvgwiXft0q9lVAtbwR251KhCyZwnNznFBqVmiorxNFKM6qdu6DTcIo/E73KQ=; X-YMail-OSG: s.nlUekVM1lTnK9jC0JIgkBvWnLh1xgiA5H82c3_p6UzXwYIF6OzQzoex1njPE0bHgm5gbF3lLDXSTOHzCxmudVZrXvaaDWlLbQmandhK7DVYl6BF0eoNGyMxk7lGHfawnPJXIphLfpY4Q-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UUfMGqAQUsfVbkHvR3HvlA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love this thread. 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Pronto mas info... 29.12.2006Photo report Pueblo Nuevo en Buenos Aires, Argentina [Hotel Youkali] http://www.pueblonuevo.cl/pn_site/index_news_youkali.htm sitios recomendados / recommended http://www.amencoma.cl [cl]http://www.theremyn4.com [pe]http://www.electrograph.gr [gr] http://www.impar.cl [cl]http://www.chiletransparente.cl [cl]http://www.ertza.net [es] http://www.manziping.cl [cl]http://www.neurotyka.org [cl]http://www.mus.cl [cl] Hasta la proxima, saludos! Mika Martini & Pueblo Nuevo Crew visita / visit: http://www.pueblonuevo.cl --Boundary_(ID_R4bhHbPQP5RTSNqzNB2bTw)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 17:24:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41345-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36155 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:30:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 36142 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:30:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:23:40 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] That will be quite enough. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003501c73e4a$0f465cc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Too bad a few pompous cunts fee like they have to dominate every discussion, or pollute it with irrelevant off topic bullshit. Like, say, the maintainers. I'll miss a few of you. Bye now. ~!J! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 16:33:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41344-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4739 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:39:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 4729 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:39:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:33:00 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx hat gesagt: // xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > I am about to set up a new mac powerpc with OS X 10.4.8 and a linux > distribution with Parallel. I am downloading pure:dyne now. Does anyone > have any opinions about whether pure:dyne or ubuntu would be better to > run? I am working primarily with pd. The nice thing about pure:dyne is that it's a live CD, which means, that you don't need to install it to disk (but you can do so, if you like). AFAIK pure:dyne is one of the small number of Linux live CDs which actually boot on Intel-Macs. However pure:dyne also is still in development and may have some rough edges, especially on Intel-Macs. It probably is wise to subscribe to the pure:dyne mailing list to get support from the makers. Personally I'm not too fond of Ubuntu, but that's because I'm really old school when it comes to Linuxes: I just need a command line and I'm happy, I don't like all the graphical setup tools which come included in standard Ubuntu. However it's a great distribution for people who are new to Linux. The included Pd and Pd externals packages are a bit limited, though, and you may be better off in the long run if you install you're own version. This means: compiling, but compiling stuff is really not hard on Linux because all needed tools are already included and the triplet "configure && make && make install" is just as familiar to Linux users as double-clicking setup.exe is to Windows users. (And besides: For installing standard software packages, Ubuntu or Debian have even more comfortable tools like "Synaptic") Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 16:09:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41343-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88391 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:15:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 88317 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:15:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:08:38 -0600 (CST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5-1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am about to set up a new mac powerpc with OS X 10.4.8 and a linux distribution with Parallel. I am downloading pure:dyne now. Does anyone have any opinions about whether pure:dyne or ubuntu would be better to run? I am working primarily with pd. > Hallo, > Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> Looks good, I can't wait for it! > > Why wait? Ubuntustudio is just an Ubuntu with some special > preconfiguration and probably a kernel patched for insanely low > latencies. You can also install Ubuntu for now, or Debian or 64Studio > from http://64studio.com/ or run a pure:dyne live CD: > http://puredyne.goto10.org/ > > But I suppose you know that already. ;) > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 16:01:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41342-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83268 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:07:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 83257 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:07:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:01:33 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Looks good, I can't wait for it! Why wait? Ubuntustudio is just an Ubuntu with some special preconfiguration and probably a kernel patched for insanely low latencies. You can also install Ubuntu for now, or Debian or 64Studio from http://64studio.com/ or run a pure:dyne live CD: http://puredyne.goto10.org/ But I suppose you know that already. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 15:49:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41341-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76457 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:55:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 76418 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:55:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:49:30 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=agE8wT2wa+Xu1z+Raw5KEqpTFT1lgYXIZGqNv6OcM96h4t09Z94tLgP+ggS2EomSZI8Xltx+Vc94x+EHjMnhcb+JxD01LDKWg+EWGct9eK899aee8Dp/UjgJpWHduzuYt3Fa4QvKqJyumcDfLnJ+dXnI4MgQ0qHu3v1e4llxky0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > she was quite insane, i'll give you that. just like xenakis ... [or cage, or george clinton, or ...] it's pretty easy to reduce her [or anyone] to a glib dismissal. much more difficult to try and understand what drove her so, and what kind of relevance those ideas may or may not have for us now. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 15:17:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41340-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58476 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:24:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 58446 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:24:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:17:36 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nlXrCDirODKHeMfGS5v07Ud092G/Vhq+3FAeK/J5MjF+1jQTWIWaHAe8u8I7ebNskHhIDjqtlPAGZnP9ZE1RkqNdh3RXEuP3y9vDc+vcGfPxYfJB6Pob5d1ecYwrlRxgqVhhWfk+cAwXK4CkW0Pq+zQoSYU2SHgfaiZQX377IRY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Looks good, I can't wait for it! ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://ubuntustudio.org/ > > also check out the film '4' by Ilya Khrzhanovsky > very nice (although sometimes a tad overbearing) sound design > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 14:57:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41339-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49183 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:03:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 49164 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:03:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:56:49 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes. she was quite insane, i'll give you that. On 22-Jan-07, at 9:44 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > I did read almost the complete 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand, until I > got stuck on that damn 80 page brainwashingly repetitive John Galt > speech and realized that Ayn Rand was a lunatic reacting to her > twisted, idealist fascist upbringing with an equal and oppositely > idealist fascist reaction. > > ~Kyle > > On 1/21/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >> now go out a read ayn rand like good little children:) >> >> g. > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 14:44:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41338-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41030 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:50:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 41014 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:50:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:44:05 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gao89gLcu3cPtA5bKPUmwvddgPbz0quG5/cvmldrX/nPtpXolnfbYyUa+68DA2ChWv+egNCYnkk59Lbdcx12vh6HbtWCJqtAIHQcOpziNfUsoTrSF2FBOurDYKCX0uVMg7wyYLLC0cn8/c8frMjta8khKNMc1L2MzbXVah7RISw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I did read almost the complete 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand, until I got stuck on that damn 80 page brainwashingly repetitive John Galt speech and realized that Ayn Rand was a lunatic reacting to her twisted, idealist fascist upbringing with an equal and oppositely idealist fascist reaction. ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > now go out a read ayn rand like good little children:) > > g. -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 14:41:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41337-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38664 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:47:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 38653 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:47:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:41:04 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C7o8Sl7+VWMA/j8Qli8mfBGr7t1UJZSSAxEFDYncc//SEBBUxGRZCYgRHbG6pKgD1pOgyzPbGnfrIFumI+7roCkqlPVNbD2mn6Wj+lj+0T7XWbeguUQ72Plt5Y6pOMSfJ1WQGx2EP6bjLB6NzcRxwi6Tw5X53W64wA8xQXwSXco= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wait, is this a sarcastic joke? The operative word is 'new technology,' I suppose. Isn't a laptop fairly new? Maybe Kim's got something on this technology fetishism. ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > isjtar wrote: > > exactly. besides i've still to meet a laptop performer who doesn't get > > kicks from new tech. > > i'm a laptop performer. i don't get kicks from new technology. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 13:27:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41336-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3476 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:34:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 3462 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:34:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:36:28 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: > i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing as an > art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done > poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good > advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. > there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing uses these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 09:07:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41335-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73462 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:13:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 73452 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:13:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:11:29 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200709c1da2ef1de88@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian Stewart wrote: >i'm a laptop performer. Is that something like being a lap dancer? R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 05:43:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41334-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3933 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:50:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 3921 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:50:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:43:44 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dead dinosaurs! i don't hear them complaining. besides, what else are dead dinosaurs good for other than turning them into iPhones! On 22-Jan-07, at 12:34 AM, Damian Stewart wrote: > Graham Miller wrote: > >>> Excessive resource consumption. >> don't worry - i'm sure they'll make enough iPhones for everyone:) > > Um. That's exactly my point. Each iPhone uses enormous amounts of > fresh water and enormous amounts of dead dinosaurs, plus > (especially once you include shipping) results in the injection of > enormous amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. > > Err, unless that's what you were saying anyway :-) > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 05:35:00 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41333-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 921 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:41:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 910 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:41:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:34:26 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Graham Miller wrote: >> Excessive resource consumption. > > don't worry - i'm sure they'll make enough iPhones for everyone:) Um. That's exactly my point. Each iPhone uses enormous amounts of fresh water and enormous amounts of dead dinosaurs, plus (especially once you include shipping) results in the injection of enormous amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Err, unless that's what you were saying anyway :-) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 04:34:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41332-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77207 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:41:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 77196 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:41:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:34:40 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V5EpsK8PWTm92LCZ2mrlsA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_V5EpsK8PWTm92LCZ2mrlsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ubuntustudio.org/ also check out the film '4' by Ilya Khrzhanovsky very nice (although sometimes a tad overbearing) sound design --Boundary_(ID_V5EpsK8PWTm92LCZ2mrlsA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 04:27:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41331-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72477 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:33:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 72467 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:33:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:05 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> besides, what's so wrong with commodity fetishism? > > Excessive resource consumption. don't worry - i'm sure they'll make enough iPhones for everyone:) > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:54:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41330-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60124 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:00:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 60113 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:00:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:54:29 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Graham Miller wrote: > to assume that every corporation is made up of > the Evil Minions Of Commodity Fetishism is pretty naive unto itself. An argument (after The Corporation) can be made here that even though a particular corporation isn't full of the Evil Minions of Commodity Fetishism, this doesn't mean that the actions of said company don't require or bring about commodity fetishism. I'd say that technology companies, and in particular Apple, thrive on commodity fetishism, and to some extent require it to stay in business. iWant. > besides, what's so wrong with commodity fetishism? Excessive resource consumption. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:37:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41329-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51475 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:43:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 51464 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:43:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:37:35 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx fed-ex. On 21-Jan-07, at 10:31 PM, aleks vasic wrote: > Surely you are not insinuating that Kevin Federline is not > interesting? Please... :) > > > > aLEKs > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:31:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41328-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47967 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:37:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 47956 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:37:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:31:27 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Surely you are not insinuating that Kevin Federline is not interesting? Please... :) aLEKs On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > marketing isn't magic. it can only do so much. if the product > itself is no good, whether it is computer or kevin federline, no > amount of maketing in the world is going to insure that that > product succeeds in the marketplace. there is a reason why > products like madonna and apple are successful. because, at the > core (no pun intended), there is something there that people find > truly interesting, useful or appealing. > > g. > >> here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending >> the marketing didn't get to you.... >> >> >> >> Op 21-jan-07, om 21:24 heeft xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx het volgende >> geschreven: >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:24:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41327-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43081 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:30:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 43070 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:30:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:24:10 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx marketing isn't magic. it can only do so much. if the product itself is no good, whether it is computer or kevin federline, no amount of maketing in the world is going to insure that that product succeeds in the marketplace. there is a reason why products like madonna and apple are successful. because, at the core (no pun intended), there is something there that people find truly interesting, useful or appealing. g. > here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending > the marketing didn't get to you.... > > > > Op 21-jan-07, om 21:24 heeft xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx het volgende > geschreven: > >> Okay, you don't like the iPhone, we get it already. >> >> Johan. >> >> >>> - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex >>> issue >>> of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond >>> psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation >>> that corporations use to fleece the public >>> >>> - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to >>> mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols >>> (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) >>> >>> when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to >>> manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a >>> state of desire and fetishism in the consumer >>> >>> - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an >>> announcement >>> while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working >>> definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- >>> bite from the dictionary >>> >>> real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of >>> multiple >>> nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object >>> in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in >>> the performance of laptop music" >>> (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) >>> I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music >>> videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, >>> etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna >>> in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic >>> network which creates desire is formed by its combined power >>> >>> the iPhone is no different >>> as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all >>> the >>> Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market >>> response >>> of desire >>> >>> there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: >>> 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by >>> Paul Theberge >>> http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p >>> >>> which analyzes how musicians consume technology >>> >>> the point is to think critically about consumption >>> and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate >>> marketing >>> dept's >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:14:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41326-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39379 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:20:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 39341 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:20:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:13:54 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 'any sound you can imagine' is a good book. but it's not really the marxist rant kim makes it out to be. it's far more objective and rational. i'd recommend it, even though it is pretty dated and never really addresses electronic music, microsound, techno, house, whatever. it's mostly concerned with pop and rock. as far as the rest of kim's post: you are criticizing people for over simplifying 'larger and more complex' issues and yet this kind of unilateral marxist thinking is just as much an oversimplification as anything here. in fact it strikes me as incredibly romantic. like when first year university students read 'das kapital' for the first time and run out and join some juvenile club that can't wait for the next TA strike so they can compare their protest pickets, still glistening wet with magic marker. i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing as an art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. music is not just music. it's the entire sphere of 'larger and more complex' social relations that encompass it. that's what draws me toward ethnomusicology. it looks at the whole 'synergistic network' and calls that 'music.' it goes beyond the musician and sees the entire collaborative nexus of all the artists and different kinds of art forms that go into amking 'music.' i mean, how is me company any less significant than say björk in the way her music is articulated or perceived? to think that an ad or a video or an album cover has nothing to do with music is a major oversight and pretty damn square, if you ask me. and not in the waveform way. being hyper-aware of this so-called 'manipulation' only makes the experience more pleasurable when it is done well. media literacy is essential, no doubt, but to assume that every corporation is made up of the Evil Minions Of Commodity Fetishism is pretty naive unto itself. besides, what's so wrong with commodity fetishism? i think it's one of the defining attributes of humanity; this fact that we can ascribe some kind of psychic energy to our own creations, whether it is a rolex, a steak dinner, or a favourite CD. i don't see dolphins doing this. i for one, would like to retain this childlike propensity to be mystified by the world around us. that's where good art comes from. now go out a read ayn rand like good little children:) g. On 21-Jan-07, at 2:29 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex > issue of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to > respond psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of > manipulation that corporations use to fleece the public > > - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to > mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols > (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) > > when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to > manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a > state of desire and fetishism in the consumer > > - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement > while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working > definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- > bite from the dictionary > > real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of > multiple nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of > an object > in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception > in the performance of laptop music" > (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) > I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music > videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box > stores, etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as > Madonna > in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic > network which creates desire is formed by its combined power > > the iPhone is no different > as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all > the Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market > response of desire > > there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: > 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by > Paul Theberge > http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p > > which analyzes how musicians consume technology > > the point is to think critically about consumption > and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate > marketing dept's > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 02:15:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41325-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16273 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:21:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 16260 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:21:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:14:57 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx isjtar wrote: > exactly. besides i've still to meet a laptop performer who doesn't get > kicks from new tech. i'm a laptop performer. i don't get kicks from new technology. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 23:25:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41324-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48722 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:31:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 48709 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:31:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:29:04 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx exactly. besides i've still to meet a laptop performer who doesn't get kicks from new tech. yes it's marketing, yes it's bourgeois, but it has nice tech and could be great to hack with a version of linux + pd - if possible of course. the integration of technology in the thing is pretty nice even if i loathe the over flashy smoothness. here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending the marketing didn't get to you.... Op 21-jan-07, om 21:24 heeft xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx het volgende geschreven: > Okay, you don't like the iPhone, we get it already. > > Johan. > > >> - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue >> of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond >> psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation >> that corporations use to fleece the public >> >> - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to >> mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols >> (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) >> >> when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to >> manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a >> state of desire and fetishism in the consumer >> >> - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an >> announcement >> while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working >> definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- >> bite from the dictionary >> >> real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple >> nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object >> in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in >> the performance of laptop music" >> (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) >> I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music >> videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, >> etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna >> in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic >> network which creates desire is formed by its combined power >> >> the iPhone is no different >> as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the >> Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response >> of desire >> >> there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: >> 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by >> Paul Theberge >> http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p >> >> which analyzes how musicians consume technology >> >> the point is to think critically about consumption >> and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing >> dept's >> >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 21:57:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41323-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14212 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:03:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 14202 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:03:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:57:13 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=se6jkUciRIxa3i3d5cm0BOdGIksWnEg++AY5HM0wO/1Bp704h+rIF7D8tFqCFbsjMLxgoCQukjZQtgFFyQp2qREF7ilYMc2v3Wt3Fidd4ZVtLA3PX0ix/LmBSqGdKnsx1iGkg9rZPAQWeCk4rdcFO6VCGwM/1lT1iRISXbz1CHw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is interesting. Thank you for defining your terms more precisely. It's easy to confuse ideas and arguments when definitions are not presented and agreed upon prior to debate. I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of acquiring loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun intended). It seems like debt has permeated our entire society: military spending, education, vehicle and home ownership, consumer credit, medical expenses, etc. I think that the type of marketing you refer to here is definitely a culprit in more than one of these symptoms of excess that an Instant Gratification Society exhibits. ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue > of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond > psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation > that corporations use to fleece the public > > - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to > mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols > (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) > > when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to > manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a > state of desire and fetishism in the consumer > > - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement > while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working > definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- > bite from the dictionary > > real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple > nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object > in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in > the performance of laptop music" > (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) > I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music > videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, > etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna > in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic > network which creates desire is formed by its combined power > > the iPhone is no different > as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the > Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response > of desire > > there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: > 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by > Paul Theberge > http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p > > which analyzes how musicians consume technology > > the point is to think critically about consumption > and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing > dept's > > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 20:24:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41322-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72804 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:30:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 72794 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:30:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay, you don't like the iPhone, we get it already. Johan. > - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue > of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond > psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation > that corporations use to fleece the public > > - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to > mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols > (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) > > when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to > manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a > state of desire and fetishism in the consumer > > - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement > while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working > definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- > bite from the dictionary > > real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple > nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object > in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in > the performance of laptop music" > (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) > I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music > videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, > etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna > in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic > network which creates desire is formed by its combined power > > the iPhone is no different > as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the > Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response > of desire > > there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: > 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by > Paul Theberge > http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p > > which analyzes how musicians consume technology > > the point is to think critically about consumption > and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing > dept's > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 19:29:26 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41321-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45310 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:35:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 45298 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:35:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:29:14 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iConsume To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6RK0KKqw9BNEifobx7CQsQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6RK0KKqw9BNEifobx7CQsQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation that corporations use to fleece the public - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a state of desire and fetishism in the consumer - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- bite from the dictionary real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in the performance of laptop music" (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic network which creates desire is formed by its combined power the iPhone is no different as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response of desire there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by Paul Theberge http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p which analyzes how musicians consume technology the point is to think critically about consumption and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing dept's --Boundary_(ID_6RK0KKqw9BNEifobx7CQsQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 15:49:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41320-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46084 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:55:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 46073 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:55:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:48:54 -0500 From: mattyo <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Identified-User: {968:box60.bluehost.com:ostrowsk:ostrowski.info} {sentby:smtp auth 71.247.21.141 authed with x@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx} X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You can tell from the below posts that the actual answer to your post is "not really." Meet the Composer has something called Global Connections that's worth looking at, and the Jerome Foundation does something as well. Another group called CEC ArtsLink funds stuf to Eastern Europe & central asia, but it's not just for gigs -- you need to do some kind of co-project with the locals. None of these are very useful if you get invited to some underfunded festival in western Europe, however -- they tend to be more oriented towards places that have less money sloshing around. There is no American Pro Helvetia -- we are only concerned about exporting Hollywood culture. \M On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:01, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Same here (although Pd on iPhone would be drool-worthy ;-) ). > > ~Kyle > > On 1/19/07, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Not all that off-topic and certainly more interesting than wanking >> about a mobile toy for yuppies with too much money. If replies to >> this query are off-list, I'd like to be included in the off. >> >> R.. >> >> >> >Sorry for the offtopic query, >> > >> >but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american >> artists >> >know of travel grants available for american artists with >> residencies >> >overseas? >> > >> >It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often >> will offer >> >travel support to artists going abroad. >> > >> >I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or >> NGOs that >> >do...? >> > >> >Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the >> >question... >> > >> > thanks! >> > >> > aaron >> > >> > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx >> > http://www.quietamerican.org >> > >> > | quod omne animal post | >> > | cogitum est triste... | >> > >> > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> Website: http://www.warbaby.com >> (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not >> work yet.) >> Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ >> Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby >> -- >> >> "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would >> permit us to be pirates." >> >> - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 07:58:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41319-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94541 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:04:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 94530 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:04:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:58:36 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] touch screen To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_be6ohmB3/s5yTB0X2sF5Fw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_be6ohmB3/s5yTB0X2sF5Fw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/experimental-touchscreen-makes- iphone-look-like-a-toy-229965.php http://tinyurl.com/2t5psn --Boundary_(ID_be6ohmB3/s5yTB0X2sF5Fw)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 03:39:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41318-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22988 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:45:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 22976 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:45:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:38:55 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] openMoko To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wwwObhAXCjVAP33nL+pkEw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_wwwObhAXCjVAP33nL+pkEw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html --Boundary_(ID_wwwObhAXCjVAP33nL+pkEw)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 02:56:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41317-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10360 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:03:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 10344 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:03:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:56:48 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] widgets In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx do we get to choose who we can call, at least? g. the new apple iphone: steve jobs is listening™ On 20-Jan-07, at 5:14 PM, Eloy Anzola wrote: > > Apple, so far, plans to basically control every aspect of the > iPhone experience. > > Eloy > ----- > xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 22:15:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41316-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4470 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:21:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 4448 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:21:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:14:48 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] widgets In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 24.90.10.217 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ELNK-Trace: 61ccf016e473eb8b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7941129940c7aed810b285eb7aa4bd1fcd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There's apparantely a small distinction, what runs on our Apple computers is "Mac OS X", the iPhone will run "OS X". Apple, so far, plans to basically control every aspect of the iPhone experience. Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2007, at 3:15 AM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > wrote: > >> You _doubt_? You don't _know_? >> I _know_ - It uses OS X widgets. > actually my friend - who is a senior programmer at Apple Inc. - > just confirmed that widgets that work on OS X *WILL NOT*, I > repeat, WILL NOT work on the iPhone. > sorry, but your 'knowledge' is wrong > >> So I suggest you read the articles I posted previously and educate >> yourself. >> Or stay off the subject until you do. Either way. >> Whatever. Free country. > a free market in a free country where free individuals live! > viva la Chavez! :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 20:45:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41315-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70612 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:51:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 70592 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:51:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:45:22 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iphone etc In-reply-to: <000901c73c81$d5a66c90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gsLqhfFwHKJghqFVTL3djw)" X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000901c73c81$d5a66c90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_gsLqhfFwHKJghqFVTL3djw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now we're on to something... skiing... now there's something we can all agree to hate. slithering down some snow covered slope listening to iPods no doubt... listening to terrible music. music they probably PAID for on iTunes. DRM protected music... Death to the skiers!!! On Jan 20, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: > I don't know who's more of a cunt. Him, or the sycophants who lap > up whatever swill he tosses at them. Cunts who shop on the king's > road and go skiing. > --Boundary_(ID_gsLqhfFwHKJghqFVTL3djw)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 18:07:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41314-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1098 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 1085 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:07:28 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Hearing Test To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/hearingloss.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 10:58:02 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41313-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17639 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:04:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 17626 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:04:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:57:52 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iphone etc To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000901c73c81$d5a66c90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nZzIMmo4T4buyAKb7rpO4g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_nZzIMmo4T4buyAKb7rpO4g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to at flames to a smolderingly shite thread, I would like to draw your attention to this quote from, http://www.holymoly.co.uk/index.php?option=com_glossary&func=display&Itemid=3&catid=14 STEVE JOBS-He's an outrageous cunt who palms other people's ideas off as his own. Nokia and Sony Ericsson already have a phone out that's better than the iPhone but because it's not an Apple product the media don't give 2 shits and everyone assumes Jobs has single-handedly invented not only the mobile phone but touchscreen technology, the internet, digital music, gravity, oxygen and the ecosystem. I don't know who's more of a cunt. Him, or the sycophants who lap up whatever swill he tosses at them. Cunts who shop on the king's road and go skiing. --Boundary_(ID_nZzIMmo4T4buyAKb7rpO4g)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 06:01:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41312-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36663 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:07:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 36652 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:07:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:01:19 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j4Xar9+frBNmZD11PiJK0RtVEKKpXT+4u1tu1HZTWOzCsuBEV+nwvwQPoVIlmJDmW1b2jeIOc63cPBOn2aRiFRmryD+/V4/1L5rSnOyg0GjX18ga79uFAuPWY+OUxNcLytWWfLv1z0ShH+atPHZPk+efOsIdqZzfDzd8OwcRopo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Same here (although Pd on iPhone would be drool-worthy ;-) ). ~Kyle On 1/19/07, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Not all that off-topic and certainly more interesting than wanking > about a mobile toy for yuppies with too much money. If replies to > this query are off-list, I'd like to be included in the off. > > R.. > > > >Sorry for the offtopic query, > > > >but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american artists > >know of travel grants available for american artists with residencies > >overseas? > > > >It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often will offer > >travel support to artists going abroad. > > > >I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or NGOs that > >do...? > > > >Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the > >question... > > > > thanks! > > > > aaron > > > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > > http://www.quietamerican.org > > > > | quod omne animal post | > > | cogitum est triste... | > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would > permit us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 03:51:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41311-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96353 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:57:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 96339 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:57:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:55:03 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200705c1d741bcc714@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Not all that off-topic and certainly more interesting than wanking about a mobile toy for yuppies with too much money. If replies to this query are off-list, I'd like to be included in the off. R.. >Sorry for the offtopic query, > >but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american artists >know of travel grants available for american artists with residencies >overseas? > >It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often will offer >travel support to artists going abroad. > >I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or NGOs that >do...? > >Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the >question... > > thanks! > > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 23:30:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41310-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87085 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:36:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 87070 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:36:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2466/Thu Jan 18 15:49:11 2007 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sorry for the offtopic query, but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american artists know of travel grants available for american artists with residencies overseas? It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often will offer travel support to artists going abroad. I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or NGOs that do...? Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the question... thanks! aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 21:32:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41309-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13139 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 13129 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:32:11 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] widgets In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ITKLFSWXsJyKkwgYOY9jeA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ITKLFSWXsJyKkwgYOY9jeA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 19, 2007, at 3:15 AM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > You _doubt_? You don't _know_? > I _know_ - It uses OS X widgets. actually my friend - who is a senior programmer at Apple Inc. - just confirmed that widgets that work on OS X *WILL NOT*, I repeat, WILL NOT work on the iPhone. sorry, but your 'knowledge' is wrong > So I suggest you read the articles I posted previously and educate > yourself. > Or stay off the subject until you do. Either way. > Whatever. Free country. a free market in a free country where free individuals live! viva la Chavez! :) --Boundary_(ID_ITKLFSWXsJyKkwgYOY9jeA)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 20:41:30 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41308-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67334 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:47:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 67324 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:47:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:41:09 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] announcement != marketing In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OQLTgnierj/M+ktQglKesN98zIpdB7PbYgjz4cSkCcnmWl/Rh9OoB5W3k3TmYdNOJbspHTzHzej4L26dCxCFt0YQz3sR53uGUtqbbZB+sIkJp8W4wivGWS4rth2Zg4GtEKunx0OUcTQO3wiXQfzKG8bRGLVdCPV9lKyxv+QMlhs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Luckily, Pure Data has already been compiled for ARM processors in the form of PDa. http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ICMC2003.pdf Calling an 'announcement' 'marketing' is more of a tongue-in-cheek jibe than a sincere accusation. Again though, marketing is defined in one way(googleing 'define:marketing') as a "means to make a communication about a product or service a purpose of which is to encourage recipients of the communication to purchase or use the product or service." So If you're selling a CD, and distribute information regarding the contents, price and how to purchase it... ;-) A press kit is a marketing tool, from what I can tell. But what's wrong with that? If you are in a business or non-profit and you don't market your services/products, then success != likely. ~Kyle On 1/19/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > my announcing a new release does not constitute marketing > but judging from the usual reductionist reactions on this list I > suppose it would look that way > and since the iPhone uses an ARM processor - and not a PPC - I would > venture a hunch that one would have to recompile anything for OS X to > get it to work on the iPhone version of OS X -- in other words you > won't be able to just drag a plain vanilla widget onto your iPhone > and expect it to work... > e.g., different OS services, different math (integer vs floating > point), different function calls, etc. > I'm having lunch with a friend of mine next week down at Apple (they > have a great cafeteria!) and will ask him for more details then... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 16:13:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41307-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59424 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:18:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 59339 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:18:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:12:37 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] announcement != marketing To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my announcing a new release does not constitute marketing but judging from the usual reductionist reactions on this list I suppose it would look that way and since the iPhone uses an ARM processor - and not a PPC - I would venture a hunch that one would have to recompile anything for OS X to get it to work on the iPhone version of OS X -- in other words you won't be able to just drag a plain vanilla widget onto your iPhone and expect it to work... e.g., different OS services, different math (integer vs floating point), different function calls, etc. I'm having lunch with a friend of mine next week down at Apple (they have a great cafeteria!) and will ask him for more details then... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 06:52:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41306-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18671 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:58:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 18657 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:58:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:52:16 -0500 From: emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iPhone fun To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UIUCCiecmEq17T4rbhB9FA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eBQabiNyTvMbm/kxvDHWzUAKamJD049EmcjaPtkrccAxedBX8Wxk8rHG7MAafZ8yYJehSblHtC98atSQKtrumV+MiDhLHMCXk4GW0Hb5uSOWWfVAAWNlvFJg1BYTIwHv37A0wBKdPtaWP9b5ZfVKO1FOAS7dmHX8+CJW3tcWZ/w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UIUCCiecmEq17T4rbhB9FA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnIajyXDLs&mode=related&search= --Boundary_(ID_UIUCCiecmEq17T4rbhB9FA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 18:35:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41305-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56720 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:41:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 56710 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:41:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:45 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Extrapolating into the moment of Saddam's death In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The grim subject matter does not bother me even though i know some may be offended by it. Having said that, i really liked this piece a lot. Very gripping. I think if it would be imbedded into a flash piece that had text synced to the audio via code/action scripting it would be even more effective. Simple text builds no different then the intro/descriptions you have on your site before the listener/visitor presses the download button. Just a friendly suggestion! aLEKs On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Thomas Ashcraft wrote: > > In light of the recent thread on cellphones as recorders I am posting > a short sketch .mp3 with a sonic extrapolation into the moment of > Saddam's death by hanging. > > This piece may lean more towards hybrid phonography but it does have a > pulsing microsound middle. > > http://www.heliotown.com/Possible_Bardo_of_Saddam.html > > 4 minutes 4 seconds > > NOTE : Due to morbid sonic content, please do not listen to this > piece while high or in a state of altered consciousness. > > Thomas Ashcraft > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 18:22:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41304-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49708 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:28:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 49683 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:28:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:22:06 -0700 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Extrapolating into the moment of Saddam's death In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In light of the recent thread on cellphones as recorders I am posting a short sketch .mp3 with a sonic extrapolation into the moment of Saddam's death by hanging. This piece may lean more towards hybrid phonography but it does have a pulsing microsound middle. http://www.heliotown.com/Possible_Bardo_of_Saddam.html 4 minutes 4 seconds NOTE : Due to morbid sonic content, please do not listen to this piece while high or in a state of altered consciousness. Thomas Ashcraft --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 16:58:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41303-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5875 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:04:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 5864 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:04:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:58:03 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Creating video with a circuit bent Casio Sk-1 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pkfpvYwUUWx/hTS3Ei14Lg1Sg6wOQB+3NOFG2QQNt7y3cAyWH5YtUnb7pCFgjP20JkT5M0mdqs5izDat14GebtBuBeI2piqbNY8FauZVu8eGUkN9E7DAvNlv97Vu+kI2fu81X4w4BHcDAxJKKwazOKdJmowl5NfYRSJkbtbh0io= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.getlofi.com/?p=684 The circuit is simply a diode to prevent the back flow of current and a resistor to drop the +5 Volt logic gate to a +1 Volt required for generating a video signal. The color of the pixel is determined by the voltage in between 0 ( Black ) and 1 ( White ), so if multiple points on the ROM chip were mixed with various resistor values color images will occur. Gijs' result is a series of lines that appear on a monitor in a scrolling fashion. The resulting image is neat and in sync with the sounds generated, however it is out of sync with the screen. The NTSC and PAL video standards require a sync pulse to be sent every so often, without it the image will scroll. Very nice work and I am sure that this technique will work with other circuit bent devices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_SB88RXTw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 15:15:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41302-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57729 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:21:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 57718 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:21:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:14:46 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***world community grid*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is a great project - I started when it was still grid.org - I'm currently at: 1 year: 185 days: 13 h: 21 m: 39 s on WCG, user "bcolflesh". Thanks for publicizing this project on the list! Regards, Brent Kim Cascone wrote: > List member Mel has started a glitch team over at the World Community Grid. > > This is a project that is using networked computer's downtime to > process potential HIV and AIDS medicines. Many other projects are > also ongoing relating to genome comparison and human/pathogen > protein research. WCG uses BOINC software like the more famous SETI > project, or can also work with a simpler standalone agent for > processing tasks. > > I encourage members of the microsound list to join up and pool their > computer > resources. > > http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=7BS4ZCMFR1 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 15:03:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41301-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52085 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:09:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 52072 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:09:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:03:21 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***world community grid*** To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YJ0V8wHvn+9XtzRjbrWu2g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YJ0V8wHvn+9XtzRjbrWu2g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List member Mel has started a glitch team over at the World Community Grid. This is a project that is using networked computer's downtime to process potential HIV and AIDS medicines. Many other projects are also ongoing relating to genome comparison and human/pathogen protein research. WCG uses BOINC software like the more famous SETI project, or can also work with a simpler standalone agent for processing tasks. I encourage members of the microsound list to join up and pool their computer resources. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=7BS4ZCMFR1 --Boundary_(ID_YJ0V8wHvn+9XtzRjbrWu2g)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 20:23:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41300-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30206 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:28:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 30195 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:28:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:22:51 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hnmzizSl7cef8q153XjZNri2eIxhY3heyqA6iaS1p1Bfs91xY9NC/KMQ/CB1DWcEXQ5NYdMByLCWMHPi0iwG72BFS5rRWOfMkByN2aeB4hKuTuXy+tTY4PfcSutJ6FZu0Howsq9TXbCIm83ewvYUAn236oze3UyUFrF0te+t83o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It depends on what you define as manipulation. I think that marketing is fine, and necessary if you want to communicate anything to anyone. As artists, how can we share our work through performance or recordings if we don't market them in some way? My prior post was just to point out that there's a tad bit of cognitive dissonance coming from a position that says "marketing is manipulation," but then also chooses to market his own works on a mailing list. Bold statements like that are great eyeball grabbers, but usually fall flat under any kind of analysis. ~Kyle On 1/17/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > If marketing is manipulation, is posting an announcement of your > > newest CD on an unnamed niche mailing list (twice even!) manipulative? > > Is manipulation always bad? > > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 20:07:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41299-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21995 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:13:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 21981 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:13:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:07:40 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mNPvc67TCEslXdR4SZeLafk4WhnRHOpcDHQrg663HFvmFh1i0XF5249vMftFaRbHGS/ONniNputQxZn2EAedBykmwHD467o6n0uMlRCGxtonxXPVgB6feddpvDPwGKicRgpnMhPzIp0vi4ZVitQhnjX0nr2cCixVgcNopUFs2sw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If marketing is manipulation, is posting an announcement of your > newest CD on an unnamed niche mailing list (twice even!) manipulative? Is manipulation always bad? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 19:51:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41298-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12190 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:56:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 12167 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:56:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:50:55 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tMb+N72+0he6LJw01qOPsLKmgUCUzveacuj62bYceqGhRyanb2HTpmsgLc9h04/Jd+qMqHI3anyH06Am5VmR3DrP5fj0GkN4TS8Z2JffGXzP/Cwu4y1L8Yf3iZG589lUaaGLK1V3YrjiD1Fc7psy76rjul4+XVh9hBXBCVXiis8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If marketing is manipulation, is posting an announcement of your newest CD on an unnamed niche mailing list (twice even!) manipulative? ~Kyle On 1/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > These are some great little links! I love the dub selecta one. 'Bigup massive.' > > ~Kyle > > On 1/17/07, Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I think what we all want to really know is: > > > > Are there any browser based programs a la Supercollider (or even > > Hammerhead) ? > > > > What is the most flexible web based audio performance software? > > > > Just to get things rolling I found > > > > TOYS > > http://www.clockdin.com (for it's simplicity) > > http://nukes.org/santos/construct/construct0.swf (cheaper than going to > > Mutek) > > http://www.infinitewheel.com/infinite_wheel.html (duuub) > > > > SEQUENCERS > > http://splicemusic.com/music > > > > APIS > > http://www.devx.com/projectcool/Article/16425 > > http://jssoundkit.sourceforge.net/ > > > > & here is the scream sample from Children of Men > > http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=9432 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 19:50:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41297-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10807 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:56:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 10796 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:56:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:50:04 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n8HIF90mvlDiJJu/U/EsDuTpGgHoSi/WbzPUUuKUVlpQmZcjYeIhe2khkK6qT40hhzjlwxBBhfkfrLctfu89zhTI1UQYYGDe2KWII5ZvslyvEkvtEU4GTyy4T0Bh1vFcMoGHZ9vy4iaCkR8e4e2fth5AGydYuSKdgLHqVQ+Cp+A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx These are some great little links! I love the dub selecta one. 'Bigup massive.' ~Kyle On 1/17/07, Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I think what we all want to really know is: > > Are there any browser based programs a la Supercollider (or even > Hammerhead) ? > > What is the most flexible web based audio performance software? > > Just to get things rolling I found > > TOYS > http://www.clockdin.com (for it's simplicity) > http://nukes.org/santos/construct/construct0.swf (cheaper than going to > Mutek) > http://www.infinitewheel.com/infinite_wheel.html (duuub) > > SEQUENCERS > http://splicemusic.com/music > > APIS > http://www.devx.com/projectcool/Article/16425 > http://jssoundkit.sourceforge.net/ > > & here is the scream sample from Children of Men > http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=9432 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 19:49:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41296-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9161 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:54:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 9151 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:54:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:48:40 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah i think i will, and i am going to try and convert it into a cheeky looking Vespa. But mark my words, if this is not doable there will be hell to pay, a good what for should put Mr Jobs in his place. aLEKs On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > you must buy this phone. > there is no choice. > steve jobs has spoken. > resistance is futile. > > On 17-Jan-07, at 11:56 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > >> Its a Phone people, not a developers platform. The fact of the >> matter is that it does more then phones like the Treo do, for about >> the same price and a way easier learning curve. People who have the >> need for a phone that is a tool for business can get a lot more for >> their money then what is currently in the market place. Your >> purchase should be predicated by your needs/necessities. >> I work with a lot of business types who cant wait to get their hands >> on it just for the ease of use and efficiency. These types cant go >> anywhere without their Treos and similar phones. Its how they do >> business. I wont be getting one anytime soon because i do not have a >> need for it. I hate cell phones because you can be found/contacted >> at all times. That doesnt mean i need to disparage the product >> because i do not have a need for it, or because it doesnt do what i >> WISHED it did. This list gets more and more amusing... >> >> >> aLEKs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 18:52:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41295-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80244 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:57:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 80234 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:57:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:52:03 -0800 From: shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Ignorance is merely ignorance In-reply-to: <000c01c73a5a$2b7034f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <000c01c73a5a$2b7034f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx had you ever actually written any code, you wouldn't be on like this Jason. "widget", "hack", etc. you can't take advantage of the features that make this device interesting to media artists with a "widget". endy story. On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 11:08 -0600, Jason Hollis wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM > Subject: [microsound] marketing is manipulation > > >I doubt that widgets that work on full-bodied OS X will also work on > > the iPhone OS X > > You _doubt_? You don't _know_? > I _know_ - It uses OS X widgets. > Read the other articles I posted, or do some searching. > > > > http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/jobs-says-apple-iphone-os-x-not-open-like-mac/ > > Awful article, pooly researched. > > That's correct, its not wide open for development yet like the mac. > But neither is it hardware-closed like the xbox, impossible to alter. > It's 'closed' like the iPod, where you CAN change its functions, but its not > officially sanctioned or supported. > > Apparently this is a subtle distinction, as many steamroller right over it. > The author of that article, for example. > > Either is a device that, yes, Apple doesnt officially sanction adding > software to it (yet) as they want it to be stable and function well as what > it was intended to be - an mp3 player or a fancy early-adopter smartphone. > > And yet, people ARE already hacking new functions into the iPod. > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ipod+hack > > And they WILL do the same with the iPhone. > Because its NOT completely closed off, as I've gone into at great length. > Of course, the iPhone hardware has far greater functionality than a mere > iPod, and therefore its potential is greater. > > Thus, this thread. > > Apple just wont support it - YET. > Which is where you and others keep getting 'closed'. > And why would they? This is re-tasking and hacking, to varying degrees. > This has been my point all along, had you deigned to read any of the > material I provided. > > And as for hardware add ons - it uses the iPod digital interface. > Thousands of products use this interface: > http://www.apple.com/ipod/accessories.html > > So I suggest you read the articles I posted previously and educate yourself. > Or stay off the subject until you do. Either way. > Whatever. Free country. > > > ~!J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 18:56:59 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41294-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78522 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:56:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 78487 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:56:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:50:10 +0100 From: Steffen <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 17/01/2007, at 3.55, David Powers wrote: > I'd > probably rather have a pen and a paper, than an iPhone. I'd get more > done with the former. I often code little programs on the bus while > riding to work every day that way, and plan musical compositions too. You'd probably (like me) like the Paper PDA [1] which might (read: would) be nice in combination with the Rainbow Technology [2]. [1] http://enb.mcgill.ca/docs/paperpda.htm [2] http://www.arabnews.com/? page=4§ion=0&article=88962&d=18&m=11&y=2006 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 18:30:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41293-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65279 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:36:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 65263 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:36:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:30:19 -0800 From: Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OaQ4F1KdZFSzcJt8c67wAsl8cN8kkl01NAuYYfVj9aLADFR69xSBBlsP0AsdeNnfXU5TyyVPrtw2nAh8SpIUrJBQQP86OE6wgEyuJNCfjsCIO9052HgmxKAwdM1xGF9l4zrNwimGyMVVjVOkCZM/HNYRsjdnKD8G2UpQ5CqKqsg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think what we all want to really know is: Are there any browser based programs a la Supercollider (or even Hammerhead) ? What is the most flexible web based audio performance software? Just to get things rolling I found TOYS http://www.clockdin.com (for it's simplicity) http://nukes.org/santos/construct/construct0.swf (cheaper than going to Mutek) http://www.infinitewheel.com/infinite_wheel.html (duuub) SEQUENCERS http://splicemusic.com/music APIS http://www.devx.com/projectcool/Article/16425 http://jssoundkit.sourceforge.net/ & here is the scream sample from Children of Men http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=9432 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 17:15:00 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41292-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22969 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:20:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 22955 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:20:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:14:47 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx you must buy this phone. there is no choice. steve jobs has spoken. resistance is futile. On 17-Jan-07, at 11:56 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > Its a Phone people, not a developers platform. The fact of the > matter is that it does more then phones like the Treo do, for about > the same price and a way easier learning curve. People who have > the need for a phone that is a tool for business can get a lot more > for their money then what is currently in the market place. Your > purchase should be predicated by your needs/necessities. > I work with a lot of business types who cant wait to get their > hands on it just for the ease of use and efficiency. These types > cant go anywhere without their Treos and similar phones. Its how > they do business. I wont be getting one anytime soon because i do > not have a need for it. I hate cell phones because you can be > found/contacted at all times. That doesnt mean i need to disparage > the product because i do not have a need for it, or because it > doesnt do what i WISHED it did. This list gets more and more > amusing... > > > aLEKs > > > > > > On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> I doubt that widgets that work on full-bodied OS X will also work >> on the iPhone OS X >> >> http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/jobs-says-apple-iphone-os-x- >> not-open-like-mac/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 17:09:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41291-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18376 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:15:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 18366 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:15:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:08:54 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Ignorance is merely ignorance To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c73a5a$2b7034f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 5.470379 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound_list" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: [microsound] marketing is manipulation >I doubt that widgets that work on full-bodied OS X will also work on > the iPhone OS X You _doubt_? You don't _know_? I _know_ - It uses OS X widgets. Read the other articles I posted, or do some searching. > http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/jobs-says-apple-iphone-os-x-not-open-like-mac/ Awful article, pooly researched. That's correct, its not wide open for development yet like the mac. But neither is it hardware-closed like the xbox, impossible to alter. It's 'closed' like the iPod, where you CAN change its functions, but its not officially sanctioned or supported. Apparently this is a subtle distinction, as many steamroller right over it. The author of that article, for example. Either is a device that, yes, Apple doesnt officially sanction adding software to it (yet) as they want it to be stable and function well as what it was intended to be - an mp3 player or a fancy early-adopter smartphone. And yet, people ARE already hacking new functions into the iPod. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ipod+hack And they WILL do the same with the iPhone. Because its NOT completely closed off, as I've gone into at great length. Of course, the iPhone hardware has far greater functionality than a mere iPod, and therefore its potential is greater. Thus, this thread. Apple just wont support it - YET. Which is where you and others keep getting 'closed'. And why would they? This is re-tasking and hacking, to varying degrees. This has been my point all along, had you deigned to read any of the material I provided. And as for hardware add ons - it uses the iPod digital interface. Thousands of products use this interface: http://www.apple.com/ipod/accessories.html So I suggest you read the articles I posted previously and educate yourself. Or stay off the subject until you do. Either way. Whatever. Free country. ~!J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 16:56:50 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41290-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8378 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:02:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 8367 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:02:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:56:39 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] marketing is manipulation In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0aysx6nhFHoUNdqmdrPsOA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_0aysx6nhFHoUNdqmdrPsOA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its a Phone people, not a developers platform. The fact of the matter is that it does more then phones like the Treo do, for about the same price and a way easier learning curve. People who have the need for a phone that is a tool for business can get a lot more for their money then what is currently in the market place. Your purchase should be predicated by your needs/necessities. I work with a lot of business types who cant wait to get their hands on it just for the ease of use and efficiency. These types cant go anywhere without their Treos and similar phones. Its how they do business. I wont be getting one anytime soon because i do not have a need for it. I hate cell phones because you can be found/contacted at all times. That doesnt mean i need to disparage the product because i do not have a need for it, or because it doesnt do what i WISHED it did. This list gets more and more amusing... aLEKs On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I doubt that widgets that work on full-bodied OS X will also work on > the iPhone OS X > > http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/jobs-says-apple-iphone-os-x-not- > open-like-mac/ > > --Boundary_(ID_0aysx6nhFHoUNdqmdrPsOA)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 16:21:02 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41289-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92657 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:26:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 92644 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:26:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:20:48 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] marketing is manipulation To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wYEKrYWc6io+TsH25TP07g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_wYEKrYWc6io+TsH25TP07g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I doubt that widgets that work on full-bodied OS X will also work on the iPhone OS X http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/jobs-says-apple-iphone-os-x-not- open-like-mac/ --Boundary_(ID_wYEKrYWc6io+TsH25TP07g)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 14:15:35 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41288-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25345 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:21:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 25335 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:21:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:14:47 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] DRM To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000901c73a41$d81ccd80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <001901c739c6$2f017140$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx *Yawn* So this is the part where we start putting words in each others mouths? Prior to that I said that as distasteful as it is, Apple's DRM is far less draconian than, say Microsofts or Sonys, and that I'd never had a problem with either yet. ~!J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux > Hallo, > Jason Hollis hat gesagt: // Jason Hollis wrote: > >> Yes, well, that's DRM. Doesnt effect me, I run PCs and macs. YMMV. > > Do you really believe, that DRM only affects freaky Linux users? Dream > on, Jason. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 11:46:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41287-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50483 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:51:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 50465 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:51:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:45:51 +0000 From: Owen Green <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <000801c739ec$8a2c1b80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 62xdYBsVM1mfBaoi0C4K09Mv_.t6o7zHPOq5rX7IetTO2qne4wJ4nvoPVqlZdO42iZp0odPOlgN1g8BZKzP877ZSzSNRxNldi.KB6l_usMDBYT2ap1ypOV2qgzJWbWtYWRyOvZwgT1Rz5yX2bdY6gCcDjHsGsGh4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000801c739ec$8a2c1b80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jason, I don't know what potential you see, but what there is, is certainly way short of what the processor inside the thing would let you do with free reign. Basically those widgets mean that about the heaviest things you'll be able to do are run shell scripts or talk to some server app (slowly) over http. There will be no potential for audio apps without access to a compiler / linker for a low-level language that allows essential things like thread access and what have you. There may be potential for an OSC client if, for example, a reasonably functional version of Java is shipped, but this isn't promised, and nor is any guarantee that there'll be a way of getting these widgets to talk meaningfully to Java apps. In short, I think you're overselling it somewhat. About the best hope is someone writing new, open firmware for it as has happened for the iPod. But that's a bugger to do, so by the time it happens we'll all probably have moved on and be using neural controllers on stage. -- Owen Jason Hollis wrote: > I see potential and those articles confirm it, and I'll laugh all the > way to the stage when it is realized. Or maybe I'll pick up coding > again. Whatever. My point is made for anyone with eyes to see. This > conversation is over. > > ~!J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 09:36:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41286-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90065 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 90049 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:36:03 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <001901c739c6$2f017140$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <001901c739c6$2f017140$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Jason Hollis hat gesagt: // Jason Hollis wrote: > Yes, well, that's DRM. Doesnt effect me, I run PCs and macs. YMMV. Do you really believe, that DRM only affects freaky Linux users? Dream on, Jason. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 05:27:57 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41285-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84177 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:33:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 84165 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:33:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:27:44 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx apple came up with the pen and paper ages ago. in the late seventies, i believe steve jobs used these technologies to design the apple I computer. the man is simply amazing. is there anything he can't do? > . My point was that if I had to choose between the two, I'd > probably rather have a pen and a paper, than an iPhone. I'd get more > done with the former. I often code little programs on the bus while > riding to work every day that way, and plan musical compositions too. > > ~David > perreal.org > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 04:42:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41284-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67562 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:48:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 67550 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:48:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:42:31 -0700 From: Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m0nXhmMeU46XzswS+SSk7IxyRFh3hQ6AXfjl0HXgg7B6mPNaBIkoLB7u82WSJCTK4iitIr+s5gSs6ZX74tVrbK3Hr55GOna1D7+Q8nBKDHYrmD1sUtBfKSV27Zf3lswWsBVWqlivDQYnNcc0DhiFI0GbJ9POhOunCHXf3I3MrJM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This gentleman speaks common sense and is entertaining to boot. I ought to check these threads more often. -- Kevin Paul On 1/16/07, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > For shits sake people. .... > Done now. > > ~!J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 04:22:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41283-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60141 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:28:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 60130 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:28:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/music/metronomic.html Hah, no but I think there isn't that many good widgets that could take advantage of the iPhone out right now because the iPhone isn't out yet. But I'm sure that there will be. Especially if the phone gets popular. There isn't any heavy widgets right now because there is no purpose of having such application in Dashboard contra just straight up OS X. As for the discussion, I was more aiming towards how it was like watching a ping pong match. People just love to hate/love certain things and Apple seem to be one of them. I'm not an Apple fanboy, but I certainly do enjoy OS X and how it has changed my computer experience. But saying you prefer pen and paper over the iPhone seems a bit random. Sorry. Johan. > Well, what does "3rd party widget" mean exactly? Maybe I'd be more > interested if someone could give an example. I'm not a mac user, so I > haven't a clue as to precisely what this implies. If the iPhone > defenders could give an example of some concrete thing it might do > that would be interesting, maybe I'd understand their point of why > this device might be interesting for a musician. So far nobody has > done that. > > Again, even I think it would be cool to use it like Lemur, but from > what I understand that wouldn't be possible if you can't write your > own programs for it - you'd need to send OSC (I'd even settle for > MIDI). But maybe I'm misunderstanding what you could do with these 3rd > party widgets? > > And conversations SHOULD go all over the place. That's what makes them > interesting. My point was that if I had to choose between the two, I'd > probably rather have a pen and a paper, than an iPhone. I'd get more > done with the former. I often code little programs on the bus while > riding to work every day that way, and plan musical compositions too. > > ~David > > On 1/16/07, xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >> I think this conversation is going too much all over the place. I think >> some people on the list, including myself even thought I personally hate >> cell phones, think the iPhone is interesting because (even thought it >> doesn't have a full OS X), it has a lot of possibilities when it comes >> to >> 3rd party widgets that can turn the thing into a lot of fun things for a >> musician. That's it doesn't it? >> >> I don't see why there has to be a big discussion about it. >> >> Johan >> >> >> > >> > 4. In my opinion, nothing beats the power of pen/pencil and paper. >> > >> > ~David >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> > >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 04:18:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41282-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57862 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:24:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 57848 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:24:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:21:17 -0500 From: Doug Van Nort <xxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mcgill univ.'s "audition" requirement In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx sending to the list as it has come up a couple times and so maybe of general interest... Owen is right on in his overview of mcgill music tech (hi owen). i'm finishing a phd there and can speak of the grad program from the perspective of student and the undergrad as instructor....in doing so i can say there is no way you could presently do the mutech major without "strong" classical training. you could, however, do the minor from any other dept. (e.g. communication studies, which seems cool, has a few sound/media oriented faculty and which Tobias [van Veen] from this list could tell you about if interested...). aside from the structure of the program(s), there is currently many top-quality (scientific) researchers converging on the place (see: CIRMMT), and it is worthwhile if one has the interest and inclination to tap into these knowledge sources. In terms of the "artistic" side of the institution, its not that there is not (some) interest in more open and current trends in music and sonic arts (example: i got funding recently to bring in Kim for his GA workshop to much success...), its just that it is emerging from a classical environment and so is still rooted in that tradition. (if you want to write 'concert music' for instruments+electronics, it is a good place to study composition...). One other place in MTL to exist as student/(sound) artist (and as owen mentioned), is at Concordia. The beautifully chaotic thing about this particular univ. is that they seem to have 1,001 programs doing similar things with digital media. in addition to the electroacoustic music program (http://music.concordia.ca/programs/Electroacoustics/default.html), there are (as two examples) the IMCA prog. (http://imca.concordia.ca/) as well as the communication studies dept. At mutech we have had a bunch of people take courses in order to get more "deeply" (read: theoretically, scientifically) into electronics, dsp, etc. and it has worked out nicely. Finally - and if you speak french - there is the electroacoustic music program at Université de Montréal. jean piche and robert normandeau are there and have some nice work. The program to me seems very steeped in the "acousmatic" tradition (as i'll qualify it) which manifests nicely in (e.g.) Francis Dhomont (who used to teach at UdeM and who seems to visit often) to give one shining example. hope this helps, doug On Jan 14, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Owen Meyers wrote: > i completed the mcgill undergrad music technology (honours) program. > my instrument was classical piano, on which my proficiency was good > enough to get me into the music department. i was the only person to > graduate from my class (started out with about 20 or so people in my > year). most people tend to downgrade to the minor in music tech, or > switch over to sound recording. but that was a few years ago, so > perhaps things have changed... > > the program is divided into two sections -- first you get all of the > formal history, theory, ear training, ensemble performance and > instrument lessons. and then there's the music tech side, where you > do computer science, acoustics, sound recording, digital media, and > audio programming (max/msp, pd, supercollider, csound, etc.). > > the master's program, on the other hand, is geared more towards > computer science and electrical engineering students. there is no > musical instrument requirement for this degree, and you can choose to > focus on one of the areas of music information retrieval, > human-computer + gestural interfaces, and digital signal processing. > > i would definitely recommend both programs, and montreal is by far my > favorite canadian city. you could also look into the concordia > programs. i think they have a solid electroacoustic program, as well > as a lot of digital media courses. > > best, > owen. > > http://www.media.mit.edu/~meyers/ > > On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:23 AM, t p wrote: > >> Good afternoon all, >> >> Per a previous topic to the list, I recently looked into attending >> the undergrad music technology program at McGill University in >> Montreal. To my utter dismay, I was told that there was a mandatory >> audition requirement via "a standard musical instrument" tryout to be >> accepted into the program. >> >> Like some of you, I don't play an instrument as my work and study >> revolves around digital manipulation, sequencing, and consequent >> electronic production. Needless to say, I find this requirement >> shocking being that the university, as a whole, is a such a hub for >> innovation and interpretation. >> >> Could anyone who has gone through this program speak on the topic a >> bit? I would easily understand if my aim was to study classical >> composition, but being that it's a music tech program, I see this as >> being a bit obtuse. >> >> For that matter, are there any similar programs within Canada that >> may offer similar programs? Unfortunately, I have yet to find any as >> reputable. >> >> I'm an aging electronic contortionist looking to find a home. :-) >> So I humbly appreciate all your feedback, and please feel free to >> email me off the list as well. >> >> Cheers and best wishes on your goals for the rest of the day. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast >> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 04:04:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41281-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52872 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:10:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 52858 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:10:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:04:09 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000801c739ec$8a2c1b80$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000145 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I see potential and those articles confirm it, and I'll laugh all the way to the stage when it is realized. Or maybe I'll pick up coding again. Whatever. My point is made for anyone with eyes to see. This conversation is over. ~!J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Powers" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; "Jason Hollis" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux > On 1/16/07, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> There's the aforementioned potentiality for a pocket >> Lemurthereminsoftsynthwhatever. >> http://developer.apple.com/macosx/dashboard.html >> Additional nerds eye view: >> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/14/1835221&from=rss > > Based on the links just posted, there's ZERO potential for a > Lemur/softsynth ... Widgets appear to be very UN-powerful. Basically, > it appears you can do the equivalent of creating a fancy web page ( > that's what javascript, html, and css are normally used for), with > access to a bit extra from OsX. I must wonder, did you actually read > the info there? Nowhere does it say you can code anything like a real > app, and again, that's what you need to make it into a Lemur. > > Unless some major music software company can be convinced to create a > cool app for the iPhone, which I suppose is possible, it seems to have > little multimedia use. > > As far as it being based on a closed software model, I must add: maybe > you've never experienced the pleasure of coding your own apps to do > music or multimedia art, but I assure you that once you do, it really > changes your perspective. I'm a complete newbie at it, but I certainly > see that as the way of the future. Someday I imagine I'll never have > to touch mainstream software at all... From this point of view, the > iPhone looks like a step in the wrong direction. > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 03:55:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41280-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48798 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:01:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 48787 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:01:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:55:08 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gIBOd2G+GIoNyROOtlSIYXc80OeVz4wRdvHYtz51BiauOsfZBVHMAQOFjj2OZkOo1v3kZKZPjySVFOm9619ca2ClIpfDnZMT2u3yIWUVLghLVObyT7f7LkPow1Nu2nnZ88oC/CAVwffm1fjgDE36SetbEpSDx0ulEdVfKO1+fEA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/16/07, Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > There's the aforementioned potentiality for a pocket > Lemurthereminsoftsynthwhatever. > http://developer.apple.com/macosx/dashboard.html > Additional nerds eye view: > http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/14/1835221&from=rss Based on the links just posted, there's ZERO potential for a Lemur/softsynth ... Widgets appear to be very UN-powerful. Basically, it appears you can do the equivalent of creating a fancy web page ( that's what javascript, html, and css are normally used for), with access to a bit extra from OsX. I must wonder, did you actually read the info there? Nowhere does it say you can code anything like a real app, and again, that's what you need to make it into a Lemur. Unless some major music software company can be convinced to create a cool app for the iPhone, which I suppose is possible, it seems to have little multimedia use. As far as it being based on a closed software model, I must add: maybe you've never experienced the pleasure of coding your own apps to do music or multimedia art, but I assure you that once you do, it really changes your perspective. I'm a complete newbie at it, but I certainly see that as the way of the future. Someday I imagine I'll never have to touch mainstream software at all... From this point of view, the iPhone looks like a step in the wrong direction. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 03:40:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41279-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42783 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:45:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 42762 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:45:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:39:27 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002801c739e9$17153ee0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For shits sake people. All this discussion with ZERO fact checking. Have you never heard of this magic thing called Google? Wanna learn how to program OSX Widgets for the iPhone? Here ya go: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/dashboard.html No sweat broken. Therein we learn that.. - ooooh - HTML, JavaScript, and CSS are the arcane tools needed to make new programs for the iPhone. =/ There's the aforementioned potentiality for a pocket Lemurthereminsoftsynthwhatever. Additional nerds eye view: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/14/1835221&from=rss Including debunking top ten myths.. such as the ever popular 'duuur, but you kant prowgram 4 it'. Follow the links therein. Done now. ~!J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "shift8" <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux > so - what if you had a lemur that fit in your pocket, was motion > sensitive, responded like a theremin to your proximity to it, and a > bunch of other crap, and also ran at least one of the apps it was > controlling locally? now how about if it was your cell too? that's the > relation to the list... the other part is about whether you can or > can't program for it. if there are no interpreters or compilers for the > device, then you can't. and that's sad. and there aren't, and that's > sad. > > On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 17:39 -0600, David Powers wrote: >> I don't understand what's so great about an over-priced phone; if you >> can't code for it, then it doesn't seem like something of interest to >> artists. If you could make some kind of musical interface ala Lemur, >> that would be of great interest, but otherwise, it really seems >> irrelevant to the list. The over-reaction of people to the iphone >> bashing by those who seem to have some kind of Mac fetish is >> hilarious, I must give Mac credit for its marketing at least. >> >> ~David >> >> On 1/16/07, shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> > well, that's a given :) >> > >> > but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was mostly >> > false. Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly >> > true...) >> > about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you >> > can't program it (you can't, at least not now) or get it for verizon >> > (you can't, at least not now) or that it uses drm (it does, and that >> > *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) >> > >> > it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer device >> > - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name >> > it. >> > at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give >> > this >> > kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't >> > code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. >> > give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll >> > sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario >> > sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. >> > >> > oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an >> > Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. >> > did >> > i mention it's free trade? >> > >> > Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: >> > > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. >> > > >> > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: >> > > > Graham Miller wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > neat new stuff >> > > > >> > > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being >> > > > Asia of >> > > > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly toxic >> > > > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest >> > > > river. >> > > > >> > > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. >> > > > >> > > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation or >> > > > later. >> > > > >> > -- >> > Mechanize something idiosyncratic. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > -- > Mechanize something idiosyncratic. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 02:56:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41278-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23569 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:01:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 23542 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:01:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:55:50 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S8h8Y3TSjZVY6QTY47QX86TnaCDpUcGr8bhhFxKuEtVb3rj174u15UbcIGV2Giszj8ko3VNF15sP83pUTMNezBSN0RdWbx1+gYMOlAaGLHL7IE4T4NV54/KfMdpJDo0W/XHd3kvkX9lLsSQYHPMERr0jPwJsg8TyhTgE46ymwnY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well, what does "3rd party widget" mean exactly? Maybe I'd be more interested if someone could give an example. I'm not a mac user, so I haven't a clue as to precisely what this implies. If the iPhone defenders could give an example of some concrete thing it might do that would be interesting, maybe I'd understand their point of why this device might be interesting for a musician. So far nobody has done that. Again, even I think it would be cool to use it like Lemur, but from what I understand that wouldn't be possible if you can't write your own programs for it - you'd need to send OSC (I'd even settle for MIDI). But maybe I'm misunderstanding what you could do with these 3rd party widgets? And conversations SHOULD go all over the place. That's what makes them interesting. My point was that if I had to choose between the two, I'd probably rather have a pen and a paper, than an iPhone. I'd get more done with the former. I often code little programs on the bus while riding to work every day that way, and plan musical compositions too. ~David On 1/16/07, xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > I think this conversation is going too much all over the place. I think > some people on the list, including myself even thought I personally hate > cell phones, think the iPhone is interesting because (even thought it > doesn't have a full OS X), it has a lot of possibilities when it comes to > 3rd party widgets that can turn the thing into a lot of fun things for a > musician. That's it doesn't it? > > I don't see why there has to be a big discussion about it. > > Johan > > > > > > 4. In my opinion, nothing beats the power of pen/pencil and paper. > > > > ~David > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 02:04:29 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41277-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1566 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:10:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 1555 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:10:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:04:12 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think this conversation is going too much all over the place. I think some people on the list, including myself even thought I personally hate cell phones, think the iPhone is interesting because (even thought it doesn't have a full OS X), it has a lot of possibilities when it comes to 3rd party widgets that can turn the thing into a lot of fun things for a musician. That's it doesn't it? I don't see why there has to be a big discussion about it. Johan > > 4. In my opinion, nothing beats the power of pen/pencil and paper. > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 00:53:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41276-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66373 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:58:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 66360 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:58:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:53:00 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tmnaX+RObP12yhcihG20EyOPc7nKucY5J6NKZevXmRDgIE6P/MaCVf/YnBTsSqTuLZEAfPlLZU4TThvdJV9KB0c85gFHPtsbtE14pNlAx2sQz7bmYq82cjFsyiot5o0dTiZ90nkmOaoz7O6G7EaO05ZZnVPxuqA5bGcVhR9W3c4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/16/07, shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > so - what if you had a lemur that fit in your pocket, was motion > sensitive, responded like a theremin to your proximity to it, and a > bunch of other crap, and also ran at least one of the apps it was > controlling locally? now how about if it was your cell too? that's the > relation to the list... the other part is about whether you can or > can't program for it. if there are no interpreters or compilers for the > device, then you can't. and that's sad. and there aren't, and that's > sad. 1. If it did work like a Lemur, why would I want to use a Lemur as my cell phone? Seriously, I don't get this craze of wanting your phone to be more than a phone. Phones get dropped, broken, and stolen (at least mine do). I prefer to keep my musical instruments at least somewhat safe. Even the use my laptop gets makes me nervous... 2. If you can't program for it, than it really isn't like a Lemur, is it? Because theoretically, to use it as such, you'd need to make custom GUI stuff and having it sending Open Sound Control messages over the network to the audio/visual app of your choice. 3. At this point, even the Lemur seems overhyped. Is more intuitive always better? Is a visual, physical interface always better than a text+typewriter one? I submit that, in most cases, text+QWERTY keyboard (full size not laptop, please) offers a superior interface, especially for something involving coding. This might change in the future, as visual programming does offer intriguing possibilities, but for now, I think that as humans LANGUAGES (both human and computer) are perhaps our most powerful human invention, and text+keyboard interfaces let us access this in a very powerful way. I personally am looking to do some audio work that will get me away from GUI interfaces and let me deal with things on a more code based level: right now I'm very intrigued and considering exploring the following: chuck/supercollider/fluxus/processing/python. I am actually tired of using GUI's in many situations where they seem unnecessary; do I really need to open up a file in SoundForge and see it onscreen, when all I'm doing is normalizing it? Or take Ableton, which I do perform live with: most of the time, most of the interface is taking up space, conveying no information necessary for my performance, and just getting in my way. 4. In my opinion, nothing beats the power of pen/pencil and paper. They are far more useful than any handheld device I've ever seen. Even for computation - you can write very good code, plan an OOP class, or design the outline for a Pure Data patch with pen and paper. You can plan out a music composition both visually and using precise numerical computations. With staff paper, you can also write a symphony. It's also fun doodling unrelated things in the margins. I have yet to see a handheld device as flexible and fun as pen and paper. In fact - this actually has inspired me to consider whether I might be able to write a "sketchpad" program that does capture some of what I like about pen and paper brainstorming; I have yet to see such a thing. Anyway, my overall point is: I love cool technology too, but sometimes I think people get lost in the race to own the newest overhyped gadgets, and don't realize that these gadgets aren't really improving their ability to create as artists, or to exist as human beings. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 00:23:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41275-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52833 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:28:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 52820 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:28:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an > Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. wrong continent for pygmies --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 00:21:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41274-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51049 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:26:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 51038 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:26:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:20:50 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PTAO0r5XNirBHuN+3/fcQp71HVERrrKt6SIo3u5GYp9FEradyMwg+O3EkQiuOyIunDXZ1GRcbP8hvpbf/4wt0GD7LztgTAKONP/SM6dyd6eK4fl2LuRWs+GjLPJ9OUtlfYqMcD9Wm4xASGdSoG6QxWq5dD6EXNNipBjsDa1FHJk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Word to that. Anybody who makes music using a 'bourgeois' Mac on equally bourgeois Max/MSP/Jitter shouldn't be complaining about this. ~Kyle On 1/16/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Its innovative. There is no doubt that the user interface is uber > intuitive. Tech idiots will gobble this phone up for the sheer > simplicity of use. Allowing the user a powerful device chock full of > features that are easily accessible for all. Mac also has a great > track record in regards to quality/hardware. Now Compare the price of > the iPhone to that of a Treo and the difference is negligible. More > features and easier to use. I think a lot of people are excited about > the phone for good reasons. > > I use both platforms as they have their pros and cons, so i am not a > Machead. > > Including my self, this whole list is a bunch of whiners, we need to > chill out and stop being so fickle. > > aLEKs > > > > On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:39 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > I don't understand what's so great about an over-priced phone; if you > > can't code for it, then it doesn't seem like something of interest to > > artists. If you could make some kind of musical interface ala Lemur, > > that would be of great interest, but otherwise, it really seems > > irrelevant to the list. The over-reaction of people to the iphone > > bashing by those who seem to have some kind of Mac fetish is > > hilarious, I must give Mac credit for its marketing at least. > > > > ~David > > > > On 1/16/07, shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> well, that's a given :) > >> > >> but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was > >> mostly > >> false. Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly > >> true...) > >> about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you > >> can't program it (you can't, at least not now) or get it for verizon > >> (you can't, at least not now) or that it uses drm (it does, and that > >> *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) > >> > >> it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer > >> device > >> - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name > >> it. > >> at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give > >> this > >> kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't > >> code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. > >> give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll > >> sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario > >> sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. > >> > >> oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an > >> Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. > >> did > >> i mention it's free trade? > >> > >> Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: > >> > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. > >> > > >> > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: > >> > > Graham Miller wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > neat new stuff > >> > > > >> > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being > >> Asia of > >> > > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly > >> toxic > >> > > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest > >> river. > >> > > > >> > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. > >> > > > >> > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation > >> or later. > >> > > > >> -- > >> Mechanize something idiosyncratic. > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 17 00:18:30 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41273-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49358 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:24:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 49348 invoked from network); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:24:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:18:16 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Its innovative. There is no doubt that the user interface is uber intuitive. Tech idiots will gobble this phone up for the sheer simplicity of use. Allowing the user a powerful device chock full of features that are easily accessible for all. Mac also has a great track record in regards to quality/hardware. Now Compare the price of the iPhone to that of a Treo and the difference is negligible. More features and easier to use. I think a lot of people are excited about the phone for good reasons. I use both platforms as they have their pros and cons, so i am not a Machead. Including my self, this whole list is a bunch of whiners, we need to chill out and stop being so fickle. aLEKs On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:39 PM, David Powers wrote: > I don't understand what's so great about an over-priced phone; if you > can't code for it, then it doesn't seem like something of interest to > artists. If you could make some kind of musical interface ala Lemur, > that would be of great interest, but otherwise, it really seems > irrelevant to the list. The over-reaction of people to the iphone > bashing by those who seem to have some kind of Mac fetish is > hilarious, I must give Mac credit for its marketing at least. > > ~David > > On 1/16/07, shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> well, that's a given :) >> >> but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was >> mostly >> false. Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly >> true...) >> about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you >> can't program it (you can't, at least not now) or get it for verizon >> (you can't, at least not now) or that it uses drm (it does, and that >> *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) >> >> it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer >> device >> - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name >> it. >> at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give >> this >> kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't >> code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. >> give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll >> sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario >> sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. >> >> oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an >> Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. >> did >> i mention it's free trade? >> >> Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: >> > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. >> > >> > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: >> > > Graham Miller wrote: >> > > >> > > > neat new stuff >> > > >> > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being >> Asia of >> > > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly >> toxic >> > > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest >> river. >> > > >> > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. >> > > >> > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation >> or later. >> > > >> -- >> Mechanize something idiosyncratic. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 23:47:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41272-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33977 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:53:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 33967 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:53:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:47:20 -0800 From: shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx so - what if you had a lemur that fit in your pocket, was motion sensitive, responded like a theremin to your proximity to it, and a bunch of other crap, and also ran at least one of the apps it was controlling locally? now how about if it was your cell too? that's the relation to the list... the other part is about whether you can or can't program for it. if there are no interpreters or compilers for the device, then you can't. and that's sad. and there aren't, and that's sad. On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 17:39 -0600, David Powers wrote: > I don't understand what's so great about an over-priced phone; if you > can't code for it, then it doesn't seem like something of interest to > artists. If you could make some kind of musical interface ala Lemur, > that would be of great interest, but otherwise, it really seems > irrelevant to the list. The over-reaction of people to the iphone > bashing by those who seem to have some kind of Mac fetish is > hilarious, I must give Mac credit for its marketing at least. > > ~David > > On 1/16/07, shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > well, that's a given :) > > > > but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was mostly > > false. Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly true...) > > about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you > > can't program it (you can't, at least not now) or get it for verizon > > (you can't, at least not now) or that it uses drm (it does, and that > > *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) > > > > it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer device > > - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name it. > > at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give this > > kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't > > code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. > > give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll > > sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario > > sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. > > > > oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an > > Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. did > > i mention it's free trade? > > > > Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: > > > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. > > > > > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: > > > > Graham Miller wrote: > > > > > > > > > neat new stuff > > > > > > > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being Asia of > > > > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly toxic > > > > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest river. > > > > > > > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. > > > > > > > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation or later. > > > > > > -- > > Mechanize something idiosyncratic. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 23:39:57 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41271-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29445 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:45:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 29435 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:45:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:39:39 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g2oYC7t6T8OWCw3a6iK1BYCKrEMph+mr9o0plld8q3+7H/6ZMFk/TEiEYdHE+ykGQI4Gb7ioyZZBSgFVWZpK55DM36awS3ou6YDbK1NroMUR1NIpa5sgJu5BhL9jufF44eOk9Fev3V4fAJ7mbmjze/o7L/pVwtyjlphwkgUSNHI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't understand what's so great about an over-priced phone; if you can't code for it, then it doesn't seem like something of interest to artists. If you could make some kind of musical interface ala Lemur, that would be of great interest, but otherwise, it really seems irrelevant to the list. The over-reaction of people to the iphone bashing by those who seem to have some kind of Mac fetish is hilarious, I must give Mac credit for its marketing at least. ~David On 1/16/07, shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > well, that's a given :) > > but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was mostly > false. Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly true...) > about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you > can't program it (you can't, at least not now) or get it for verizon > (you can't, at least not now) or that it uses drm (it does, and that > *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) > > it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer device > - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name it. > at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give this > kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't > code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. > give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll > sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario > sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. > > oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an > Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. did > i mention it's free trade? > > Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: > > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. > > > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: > > > Graham Miller wrote: > > > > > > > neat new stuff > > > > > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being Asia of > > > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly toxic > > > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest river. > > > > > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. > > > > > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation or later. > > > > -- > Mechanize something idiosyncratic. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 23:30:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41270-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24246 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:36:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 24234 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:36:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:35 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <001901c739c6$2f017140$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > well, that's a given :) > > but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was mostly > false. Totaly untrue. Any snark was a direct response to Kims usual uber-marxist position and the misinformation he is spreading. See below. > Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly true...) > about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you > can't program it (you can't, at least not now) I reiterate: bullshit. Anyone that can program OSX widgets can write for the iPhone. Look it up. Its just not officially sanctioned, but big deal. > or get it for verizon > (you can't, at least not now) I reiterate: unbound phones will be sold. > or that it uses drm (it does, and that > *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) Yes, well, that's DRM. Doesnt effect me, I run PCs and macs. YMMV. > it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer device > - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name it. > at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give this > kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't > code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. > give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll > sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario > sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. See above. Widgets. I hear theyre easy to code. If only I could code. *shrug* I have no doubt that a community of enterprising individuals will hack together some lovely audio apps for us all to play with on this thing in the near future. > oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an > Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. did > i mention it's free trade? kek.. if only, eh? > Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: >> what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. Agreed! Now lets move on to bigger and better things.. ~!J! http://www.endif.org http://www.crunchpod.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 23:28:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41269-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22659 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:33:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 22646 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:33:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:28:02 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx shift8 wrote: > it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer device > - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name it. this is true. i work with superultrahightech stuff (i'm an interactive museum installation developer, using cameras and computer vision tracking to drive procedurally-generated graphics projections), and each year i'm becoming increasingly cynical. my immediate response is, so what? why do i want a device with multi-touch, gestures, environmental sensors, other than because Steve Jobs tells me I do? > oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an > Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. did > i mention it's free trade? bravo sir! :-) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 22:51:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41268-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99375 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:56:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 99352 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:56:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:50:29 -0800 From: shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx well, that's a given :) but really - Jason's response was holier-then-thou crap that was mostly false. Kim's initial post was a bitchfest (but at least mostly true...) about a new device that kicks ass for a number of reasons even if you can't program it (you can't, at least not now) or get it for verizon (you can't, at least not now) or that it uses drm (it does, and that *does* cause problems - if you don't use the right os, for instance) it still pushes the boundaries way out for this kind of consumer device - multi-touch interaction, gestures, environmental sensors, you name it. at the very least it'll put pressure on other manufacturers to give this kind of functionality :_) and i'm just as disappointed that you can't code for it because all of those features make me want to code for it. give it time, and i'm guessing you will be able to - maybe they'll sandbox the cellular components so that imaginary melt-down scenario sounds less likely then it already does, for instance. oh, and i wrote this on an all organically grown, assembled by an Australian Pygmy co-op, cooled by the pyramid crystal power laptop. did i mention it's free trade? Tue, 2007-01-16 at 14:05 -0800, shift8 wrote: > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: > > Graham Miller wrote: > > > > > neat new stuff > > > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being Asia of > > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly toxic > > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest river. > > > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. > > > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation or later. > > -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 22:13:11 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41267-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79078 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:18:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 79065 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:18:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:12:30 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx shift8 wrote: > what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. *you're* a bunch of drivel :-p (joking) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 22:05:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41266-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73297 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:11:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 73287 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:11:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:05:19 -0800 From: shift8 <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.x.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what a bunch of drivel this whole thread is. On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:56 +1300, Damian Stewart wrote: > Graham Miller wrote: > > > neat new stuff > > i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being Asia of > course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly toxic > electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest river. > > > I only buy second generation and later, personally. > > forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation or later. > -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 21:57:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41265-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67976 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:02:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 67963 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:02:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:56:45 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Graham Miller wrote: > neat new stuff i bet it's still made by invisible Asian people. and this being Asia of course, they'll dump their manufacturing wastes (their highly toxic electronics-manufacturing wastes, mind) straight into the nearest river. > I only buy second generation and later, personally. forgive me but I try to only buy second-*hand* second-generation or later. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 14:15:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41264-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98486 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:21:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 98476 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:21:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:15:22 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hilarious:) and totally true. On 15-Jan-07, at 10:46 PM, Jason Hollis wrote: > > This crap again? > > >> - will not use the same OS X that you use on your laptop - so your >> apps won't run in it > > Duh.. But the core tech is the same, and its still a tiny > multitouch gui unix box in your bourgeois pocket. > And I guarantee you that there are people working on hacking in all > sorts of fun new things even as we speak. > Audio apps are an easy guess. Can't wait to see what develops there. > > >> - only Apple will be making apps for the iPhone -- i.e. no 3rd party >> apps planned as of yet > > > Pure crap: Any asshole that can program an OSX widget can write > programs for the iPhone. > You put too much faith in Apples desire and ability to reign > absolute over the machines they sell. > Or perhaps just paranoia. After all, Apple is an > eeeeeeeeeeeeeeville corporation, right? > Anyway, this ties nicely into the item above. > >> - doesn't have external storage capability > > Uh, hello, NETWORK anyone? Wifi. Bluetooth. Edge. What more is > needed? Transfer as you see fit. > > >> - uses DRM as does the iPod > > Waah girlfriend. As distasteful as DRM itself is, I have yet to > experience a problem with my iPod due to DRM. > > >> - doesn't have GPS > > That would have been nice. And yet, there is always Mapquest. > Somehow I think users will get by. And there's always the next > version. > > >> - locked to Cingular service in the US > > Unbound phones will be sold as well. > They're just pushing Cingular, who were, recently, bought out by > AT&T, so theres hope there. > And maybe something they know that we dont? > > >> - costs way too much > > Don't they all. > >> - the usual Apple overhyped piece of bourgeois tech > > More whining. All new tech is an 'executoy', or more accurately, > targeted to early adopters. > Early adopters pay to have the first gen of the neat new stuff, > then economy of scale lets the mature tech reach more people for > less money in each successive generation. Economics 101. OMG READ > SOME *insert pet philosopher here* I only buy second generation > and later, personally. > > Read: > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > > Yawn, > > ~!J! > http://www.endif.org > http://www.crunchpod.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 10:08:08 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41263-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53110 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:13:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 53100 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:13:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:12:35 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200704c1d1e45c6ef2@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9TWQGd9RI23z7x8HdBLwzQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <p06200703c1d1c5b4fa0f@[192.168.0.2]> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_9TWQGd9RI23z7x8HdBLwzQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't found any downloads online yet, either - it's prolly wasn't a big seller beyond a few serious dance afficionados in Oz (my copy was a blind chance pick from the $2.00 cut-out bin at a record store about 15 years ago). I did a little searching and found a few sites with more info: Music Australia, a service of the Australian National Library, has details on the CD (good resource, BTW) http://www.musicaustralia.org/apps/MA?function=showDetail¤tBibRecord=000011821115&itemSeq=3&total=4&returnFunction=searchResults&scope=scope&formatType=scores%7Csound&simpleTerm=Sydney+Dance+Company+Boxes Iva Davies on wickipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Davies Iva Davies on ArtistDirect: http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/card/0,,420809,00.html Iva Davies website: http://www.icehouse-iva.com/ If you can't find any audio online, I'll put up a couple of tracks on my website. Definitely worth listening to. R. >is it available as a digital download anywhere? > >On 15-Jan-07, at 7:15 PM, Robert Arnold wrote: > >>For the past couple of days I've been going through some cartons of >>CDs that I've had in storage since I moved to Amsterdam three years >>ago. I was just listening to one that has always been a favorite >>and certainly qualifies as futuristic music - it's the score of the >>Sydney Dance Company's 1985 production of "Boxes" by Iva Davies >>(Chrysalis VK41659/DIDX3158). It's long out of print, but I was >>wondering if anyone on the list is familiar with it. Very >>interesting sounds, particularly for something that was done 20 >>years ago. The few vocals are nothing special - sort of Brian >>Ferry-ish, but there are some really fine sounds in the >>instrumental/electronic bits. >> >>R. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) 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Tue Jan 16 03:47:26 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41262-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54317 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:53:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 54301 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:53:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:46:41 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003801c73920$ef320d40$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.001619 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This crap again? >- will not use the same OS X that you use on your laptop - so your > apps won't run in it Duh.. But the core tech is the same, and its still a tiny multitouch gui unix box in your bourgeois pocket. And I guarantee you that there are people working on hacking in all sorts of fun new things even as we speak. Audio apps are an easy guess. Can't wait to see what develops there. > - only Apple will be making apps for the iPhone -- i.e. no 3rd party > apps planned as of yet Pure crap: Any asshole that can program an OSX widget can write programs for the iPhone. You put too much faith in Apples desire and ability to reign absolute over the machines they sell. Or perhaps just paranoia. After all, Apple is an eeeeeeeeeeeeeeville corporation, right? Anyway, this ties nicely into the item above. > - doesn't have external storage capability Uh, hello, NETWORK anyone? Wifi. Bluetooth. Edge. What more is needed? Transfer as you see fit. > - uses DRM as does the iPod Waah girlfriend. As distasteful as DRM itself is, I have yet to experience a problem with my iPod due to DRM. > - doesn't have GPS That would have been nice. And yet, there is always Mapquest. Somehow I think users will get by. And there's always the next version. > - locked to Cingular service in the US Unbound phones will be sold as well. They're just pushing Cingular, who were, recently, bought out by AT&T, so theres hope there. And maybe something they know that we dont? > - costs way too much Don't they all. > - the usual Apple overhyped piece of bourgeois tech More whining. All new tech is an 'executoy', or more accurately, targeted to early adopters. Early adopters pay to have the first gen of the neat new stuff, then economy of scale lets the mature tech reach more people for less money in each successive generation. Economics 101. OMG READ SOME *insert pet philosopher here* I only buy second generation and later, personally. 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Tue Jan 16 01:51:59 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41261-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86844 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:57:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 86831 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:57:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:51:47 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <p06200703c1d1c5b4fa0f@[192.168.0.2]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <p06200703c1d1c5b4fa0f@[192.168.0.2]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx is it available as a digital download anywhere? On 15-Jan-07, at 7:15 PM, Robert Arnold wrote: > For the past couple of days I've been going through some cartons of > CDs that I've had in storage since I moved to Amsterdam three years > ago. I was just listening to one that has always been a favorite > and certainly qualifies as futuristic music - it's the score of the > Sydney Dance Company's 1985 production of "Boxes" by Iva Davies > (Chrysalis VK41659/DIDX3158). It's long out of print, but I was > wondering if anyone on the list is familiar with it. Very > interesting sounds, particularly for something that was done 20 > years ago. The few vocals are nothing special - sort of Brian Ferry- > ish, but there are some really fine sounds in the instrumental/ > electronic bits. > > R. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 16 00:11:02 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41260-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21206 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:16:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 21187 invoked from network); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:16:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:15:18 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200703c1d1c5b4fa0f@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For the past couple of days I've been going through some cartons of CDs that I've had in storage since I moved to Amsterdam three years ago. I was just listening to one that has always been a favorite and certainly qualifies as futuristic music - it's the score of the Sydney Dance Company's 1985 production of "Boxes" by Iva Davies (Chrysalis VK41659/DIDX3158). It's long out of print, but I was wondering if anyone on the list is familiar with it. Very interesting sounds, particularly for something that was done 20 years ago. The few vocals are nothing special - sort of Brian Ferry-ish, but there are some really fine sounds in the instrumental/electronic bits. R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) 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Mon Jan 15 18:36:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41259-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4066 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:41:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 4053 invoked from network); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:41:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:36:00 -0800 From: Johan Nilsson <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone iSux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's obviously a running a mini OS X, but it should still be able to run Apple and 3rd party widget programs. Johan On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > - will not use the same OS X that you use on your laptop - so your > apps won't run in it > - only Apple will be making apps for the iPhone -- i.e. no 3rd > party apps planned as of yet > - doesn't have external storage capability > - uses DRM as does the iPod > - doesn't have GPS > - locked to Cingular service in the US > - costs way too much > - the usual Apple overhyped piece of bourgeois tech > > read: > > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/14/iphone_the_roach_mot.html > > check out: > http://openmoko.com/press/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 15 17:45:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41258-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69631 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:51:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 69617 invoked from network); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:51:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:45:26 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iPhone iSux To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ov7RUhwVXJF0LjWbPC8Rrw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ov7RUhwVXJF0LjWbPC8Rrw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - will not use the same OS X that you use on your laptop - so your apps won't run in it - only Apple will be making apps for the iPhone -- i.e. no 3rd party apps planned as of yet - doesn't have external storage capability - uses DRM as does the iPod - doesn't have GPS - locked to Cingular service in the US - costs way too much - the usual Apple overhyped piece of bourgeois tech read: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/14/iphone_the_roach_mot.html check out: http://openmoko.com/press/index.html --Boundary_(ID_ov7RUhwVXJF0LjWbPC8Rrw)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 15 16:20:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41257-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10545 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:26:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 10532 invoked from network); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:26:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:19:49 +0000 From: xxxxx.xxxxx@xxx.xx Subject: [microsound] [Possible Spam] [microsound] study programmes on soundart & music technology in europe To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aNZzBSz9jPDqO1KhIF0z2A)" X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on cmlot01/Cso(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 15/01/2007 04:19:55 PM Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_aNZzBSz9jPDqO1KhIF0z2A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return Receipt Your [Possible Spam] [microsound] study programmes on soundart & document: music technology in europe was Brian Power/csocork/Cso received by: at: 15/01/2007 04:19:54 PM --Boundary_(ID_aNZzBSz9jPDqO1KhIF0z2A)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 15 16:17:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41256-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Disposition-notification-to: xxxx@xxxxx.xxx Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6953 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:23:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 6928 invoked from network); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:23:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:15:27 +0100 From: Pablo Sanz Almoguera <xxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] study programmes on soundart & music technology in europe In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx HELLO list, I´m currently pursuing to start a study programme on sonic arts / music technology, in Europe/UK. my interests on sound are both technical and conceptual with a focus on sound art, more than in the music industry, you know. Also i´m interested in the relationships of sound with other mediums like electronic image, installations, etc. I live in Madrid (Spain) and i´ve been mainly self-taught up to this moment in these matters, altough i´ve a 2 years superior grade as sound technician here in spain and i´ve taken workshops and diverse courses on sound and video too during the last three years. also i have some regular activity as vj at this moment too. Since i don´t have university level formation, i think i cannot get oficial access to the most of post-graduate programs (very common in some universities on sonic or media arts)... for that reason i think a bachelor program could be the correct choice in my case. I´ve a bit of information (via web) of some interesting programmes at the University of Edimburgh and the Sonic Arts Centre in Belfast, but the cost of living in the UK plus the fees of this programs seems to be not affordable for me, at least with the information i have read. The Institute of Sonology in The Hague (Netherlands) seems to be more affordable (1500eu / year, with a cost of living of 500-700eu per month... and some "possible" government helping if you stay there for some years) and i´m seriously considering going the next year to make the one year Sonology Course. Also, the contents of their programs (very detailed on their web) are one of the most interesting i´ve seen for now. Since i´m looking for a more complete and long formation, i would like to enrol after that course in the 4 years bachelor degree there.... but i´m not sure about this possible decision since the bachelor it´s in dutch language (i´m still trying to improve my english, so thinking in taking classes about DSP in dutch it´s "a bit" hard for me at this moment as you can imagine) ... also, i´ve some info about high requirements there for the bachelor students (i think each year only 4-8 students finish it)... Well... i would like to get all kind of info, practical or about the studies themselves, about any of these choices (maybe any of you are involed in any of them). Also i would like to know about other programmes that you could consider interesting for me.... you can respond offline if you prefer to pablo[at]20020[dot]org THANKS a lot in advance ,) -- [o_Ó]<<< : : : Pablo Sanz Almoguera ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.20020.org/ http://www.mediateletipos.net/ +++[cluster http://www.artesonoro.org] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 15 14:34:32 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41255-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41579 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:40:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 41565 invoked from network); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:40:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:35:25 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E5rd_Harazi_Farbu?= <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Stolen Music In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XGA9J6NI8ckB4g+yyPcfzT0e2S/e6FiFZCVikz3KDBOkwF7SfDf6hs6qzb3d6IT7ES4Jc9ZsmJhBJMLhFCsmqymjvKGJimG3lt/10tg6JyVTaO6Qmoxuz+EPaeLdtPVvwvmtVjwdJg7NsyoHBGTaIetUkZlf8MUOsY2Sdv4ur5g= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The music business is a shity business. http://nl_hq.micromusic.net/stolengoods/ BRD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 15 00:49:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41254-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53082 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:54:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 53034 invoked from network); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:54:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:48:34 -0500 From: Owen Meyers <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mcgill univ.'s "audition" requirement In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i completed the mcgill undergrad music technology (honours) program. my instrument was classical piano, on which my proficiency was good enough to get me into the music department. i was the only person to graduate from my class (started out with about 20 or so people in my year). most people tend to downgrade to the minor in music tech, or switch over to sound recording. but that was a few years ago, so perhaps things have changed... the program is divided into two sections -- first you get all of the formal history, theory, ear training, ensemble performance and instrument lessons. and then there's the music tech side, where you do computer science, acoustics, sound recording, digital media, and audio programming (max/msp, pd, supercollider, csound, etc.). the master's program, on the other hand, is geared more towards computer science and electrical engineering students. there is no musical instrument requirement for this degree, and you can choose to focus on one of the areas of music information retrieval, human- computer + gestural interfaces, and digital signal processing. i would definitely recommend both programs, and montreal is by far my favorite canadian city. you could also look into the concordia programs. i think they have a solid electroacoustic program, as well as a lot of digital media courses. best, owen. http://www.media.mit.edu/~meyers/ On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:23 AM, t p wrote: > Good afternoon all, > > Per a previous topic to the list, I recently looked into attending > the undergrad music technology program at McGill University in > Montreal. To my utter dismay, I was told that there was a > mandatory audition requirement via "a standard musical instrument" > tryout to be accepted into the program. > > Like some of you, I don't play an instrument as my work and study > revolves around digital manipulation, sequencing, and consequent > electronic production. Needless to say, I find this requirement > shocking being that the university, as a whole, is a such a hub for > innovation and interpretation. > > Could anyone who has gone through this program speak on the topic a > bit? I would easily understand if my aim was to study classical > composition, but being that it's a music tech program, I see this > as being a bit obtuse. > > For that matter, are there any similar programs within Canada that > may offer similar programs? Unfortunately, I have yet to find any > as reputable. > > I'm an aging electronic contortionist looking to find a home. :-) > So I humbly appreciate all your feedback, and please feel free to > email me off the list as well. > > Cheers and best wishes on your goals for the rest of the day. > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 14 20:48:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41253-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35988 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:53:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 35976 invoked from network); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:53:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:48:07 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Musician In The Mirror In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.27 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ppRqKiNiJF8n/E9kY39cnHmHD1IR7VX4VL3XudqSY7hcyo4IYTdVE4M8Oli6sE+C; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c26094f03f65c7799115ba328b5d1fec6f371350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've noticed with sound recordings that it's a different experience listening to a solo performer; no overdubs , than listening to multitracked or edited audio. People are able to tell when it's actually a person playing. A colleague of mine , deciding to record a disc of piano pieces using a sophisticated sampler said: 'Why not just sequence?' The result of the sounds from the hardware sequencer wasn't enough to sustain interest throughout the entire album. He played the pieces with his hands and feet to good effect. There is so much attention to 'sound' and perhaps not quite enough to what is actually being communicated. On Jan 14, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > New Study Shows Brain Rapidly Forms Link Between Sounds And Actions > That Produce Them > > > http://tinyurl.com/ykdvmt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 14 19:35:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41252-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96066 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:40:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 96048 invoked from network); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:40:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:35:05 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Musician In The Mirror To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2vZrX0Kz0pztHk++FxRaLw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_2vZrX0Kz0pztHk++FxRaLw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New Study Shows Brain Rapidly Forms Link Between Sounds And Actions That Produce Them http://tinyurl.com/ykdvmt --Boundary_(ID_2vZrX0Kz0pztHk++FxRaLw)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 14 19:26:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41251-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89742 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:32:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 89690 invoked from network); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:32:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:26:17 +0100 From: Dario Lucchi <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] faune X-Originating-IP: [80.104.178.82] X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2007 19:26:22.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFB44000:01C73811] i want to share with you my love for the music of "faune" he's a french musician, his name is claude i don't know anything else about him the netlabel http://pathmusick.hermetech.net releases his works they go from pure ambient to something more experimental or even "academic" contemporary music he reminds me of william bazinski or akira rabelais, maybe cause are my fav ones download, listen and enjoy ....... i dedicated some video works to his music too http://www.archive.org/download/wh074/wh074_film_the_tide_0.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/wh074/wh074_film_the_tide_6.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/wh075/wh075_v01_apresmidi.wmv ciao, marco --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 13 21:46:57 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41250-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82135 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:52:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 82123 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:52:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:49:12 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] mcgill univ.'s "audition" requirement In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Simon Fraser University- School of Interactive Arts and Technology. http://www.siat.sfu.ca/ Seems like most programs that have the word "music" in them... even if they purport to be about technology, have grown out of traditional music departments, hence the requirement for the audition. Look for Digital Media Studies programs or even Arts orientted programs, which have sprouted digtal audio components. Just a thought. dev On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:23 AM, t p wrote: > Good afternoon all, > > Per a previous topic to the list, I recently looked into attending > the undergrad music technology program at McGill University in > Montreal. To my utter dismay, I was told that there was a > mandatory audition requirement via "a standard musical instrument" > tryout to be accepted into the program. > > Like some of you, I don't play an instrument as my work and study > revolves around digital manipulation, sequencing, and consequent > electronic production. Needless to say, I find this requirement > shocking being that the university, as a whole, is a such a hub for > innovation and interpretation. > > Could anyone who has gone through this program speak on the topic a > bit? I would easily understand if my aim was to study classical > composition, but being that it's a music tech program, I see this > as being a bit obtuse. > > For that matter, are there any similar programs within Canada that > may offer similar programs? Unfortunately, I have yet to find any > as reputable. > > I'm an aging electronic contortionist looking to find a home. :-) > So I humbly appreciate all your feedback, and please feel free to > email me off the list as well. > > Cheers and best wishes on your goals for the rest of the day. > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 13 21:24:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41249-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73168 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:30:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 73157 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:30:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:24:33 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: iphone In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=8797 On 9-Jan-07, at 3:17 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > http://www.apple.com/iphone/ > > this is so cool. i hope it is drool proof. i want one. > > wondering if there will be any audio/music apps for this? seems > like you could turn it into a perfect little field recorder. > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 13 14:37:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41248-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25660 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:43:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 25647 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:43:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:37:37 +0000 From: andrew victor <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music X-Originating-IP: [69.139.131.105] X-Sender: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Bcc: Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2007 14:37:42.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[621A7250:01C73720] http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Other-Galactic-Funk/dp/B00000J2TO Certainly, this is what the future of music promises us all... >From: djFutureSol <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Reply-To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:22:07 -0800 (PST) > > >In response to what track the "Zen Music" comes from: > >The beat comes from the first portion of Aphex Twin's "omgyjya switch7" on >the "drukqs" album. Sounds like they threw in some dude yelling like he >was >being stabbed over top the beat and added a stuttered guitar part (Caine's >air guitar is more than classic). The screaming is what really throws you - >Aphex Twin is great zen music already, but even I was thrown by the absurd >yelling. Without it I would have said "nice try Aphex Twin is not really >future music" but the death yells are something completly foriegn and thus >make the track futuristic. > >You can view the scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CN56f9jWKI > >Great movie and amazing sound design (although I felt the dialog was >sometimes out of sync - like they recorded it later on the sound stage but >didn't get it perfect sync'd to the motion) but still an amazing use of >sound fx to create tension throughout the film. > > >birrein wrote: > > > > On 12/31/06, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> really? which track? i have that album... > >> > >> On 31-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: > >> > >> > When Cain plays the "zen" music with Owen after their strawbery > >> > spliff it is in part an Aphex Twin track fron Druqs and either > >> > remixed or mixed with something else > >> > > > > > http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070103174545bjs9.jpg > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://www.nabble.com/children-of-men-futuristic-music-tf2900862.html#a8312271 >Sent from the Microsound mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org > _________________________________________________________________ Communicate instantly! 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Sat Jan 13 11:54:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41247-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64507 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:59:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 64496 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:59:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:54:16 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PA9hkQDm863PQ3oys98TDZw8XrB77CmKWAXGvoq5UGYllmIVtwgUhYvzykdfsYc01li7EnJEyytfmPvkZuCKeshwXHXo9BOZzPqhvETc3Ty7Oa+QKTTt/hl7YWv+kbuw7aBQbNdtIWOKd8HHXLVAbtUzxgZIkkaqxbQWxWE9pF4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html if there's anyone who doesn't know this one here... though stephen p. mcgreevy's vlf recordings sound much clearer and louder than this stream. 2007/1/13, Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > actually, i was shocked by the price itself. i mean it is not the > recording of a musician, it is "free", the recording of nature indeed > "somehow"... so the amount of money made me worried as well. > the 30 minute long individual discs maybe sign the individual planets? > there are no exact notes which properly state which planet is which > recording... > but no worries since my mate downloaded the 5 cds material to me in flac. :) > > András > > 2007/1/13, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > > BTW, I heard back from those "BodyMind folks about their 10 discs of > > NASA Space Probe Recordings and they said that *their* CDs are only > > 30 minutes each too. > > The $16 price and even the $10/ea price for the whole set is a bit of > > a rip-off. > > They could've put two on a disc and got it down to a nice 5 disc set > > at a reasonable price, > > but c'est la vie... > > > > Thought I'd pass this on to anyone thinking of getting them. > > > > > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Now playing: Kim Cascone - Three Parasites For Deleuze > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 13 08:42:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41246-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81927 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:48:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 81915 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:48:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:42:33 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003401c736ee$c58f2ec0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <002b01c72ce3$533132c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Nice one! that satisfies the trainspotter in me!! cheers :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "djFutureSol" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music > > In response to what track the "Zen Music" comes from: > > The beat comes from the first portion of Aphex Twin's "omgyjya switch7" on > the "drukqs" album. Sounds like they threw in some dude yelling like he > was > being stabbed over top the beat and added a stuttered guitar part (Caine's > air guitar is more than classic). The screaming is what really throws > you - > Aphex Twin is great zen music already, but even I was thrown by the absurd > yelling. Without it I would have said "nice try Aphex Twin is not really > future music" but the death yells are something completly foriegn and thus > make the track futuristic. > > You can view the scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CN56f9jWKI > > Great movie and amazing sound design (although I felt the dialog was > sometimes out of sync - like they recorded it later on the sound stage but > didn't get it perfect sync'd to the motion) but still an amazing use of > sound fx to create tension throughout the film. > > > birrein wrote: >> >> On 12/31/06, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >>> really? which track? i have that album... >>> >>> On 31-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: >>> >>> > When Cain plays the "zen" music with Owen after their strawbery >>> > spliff it is in part an Aphex Twin track fron Druqs and either >>> > remixed or mixed with something else >>> > >> >> http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070103174545bjs9.jpg >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/children-of-men-futuristic-music-tf2900862.html#a8312271 > Sent from the Microsound mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 11/01/2007 > 15:33 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 13 08:22:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41245-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73303 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:27:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 73293 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:27:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: djFutureSol <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Nabble-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <002b01c72ce3$533132c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In response to what track the "Zen Music" comes from: The beat comes from the first portion of Aphex Twin's "omgyjya switch7" on the "drukqs" album. Sounds like they threw in some dude yelling like he was being stabbed over top the beat and added a stuttered guitar part (Caine's air guitar is more than classic). The screaming is what really throws you - Aphex Twin is great zen music already, but even I was thrown by the absurd yelling. Without it I would have said "nice try Aphex Twin is not really future music" but the death yells are something completly foriegn and thus make the track futuristic. You can view the scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CN56f9jWKI Great movie and amazing sound design (although I felt the dialog was sometimes out of sync - like they recorded it later on the sound stage but didn't get it perfect sync'd to the motion) but still an amazing use of sound fx to create tension throughout the film. birrein wrote: > > On 12/31/06, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >> really? which track? i have that album... >> >> On 31-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: >> >> > When Cain plays the "zen" music with Owen after their strawbery >> > spliff it is in part an Aphex Twin track fron Druqs and either >> > remixed or mixed with something else >> > > > http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070103174545bjs9.jpg > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/children-of-men-futuristic-music-tf2900862.html#a8312271 Sent from the Microsound mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 13 00:37:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41244-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9685 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:42:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 9674 invoked from network); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:42:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:37:22 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jkwflPKYF1+WjK+K4c8Bed4hiyD0DqQf/rhPF+nn2nl6VNuY6mnBjHIGHiPh2PMMb2Psh5nDN1wxutCnxj1KrS0ZXYxjTBNe/9lAuAdQYCml7sd/4FTB89jLoDbyJpZxqYvRc3Yr9QPOBuIEEu1nm3e9Cs7t5LHNhXYKAALK540= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx actually, i was shocked by the price itself. i mean it is not the recording of a musician, it is "free", the recording of nature indeed "somehow"... so the amount of money made me worried as well. the 30 minute long individual discs maybe sign the individual planets? there are no exact notes which properly state which planet is which recording... but no worries since my mate downloaded the 5 cds material to me in flac. :) András 2007/1/13, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > BTW, I heard back from those "BodyMind folks about their 10 discs of > NASA Space Probe Recordings and they said that *their* CDs are only > 30 minutes each too. > The $16 price and even the $10/ea price for the whole set is a bit of > a rip-off. > They could've put two on a disc and got it down to a nice 5 disc set > at a reasonable price, > but c'est la vie... > > Thought I'd pass this on to anyone thinking of getting them. > > > Rod > > > > > > > --- > Now playing: Kim Cascone - Three Parasites For Deleuze > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 23:51:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41243-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79408 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:57:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 79398 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:56:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:51:28 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx BTW, I heard back from those "BodyMind folks about their 10 discs of NASA Space Probe Recordings and they said that *their* CDs are only 30 minutes each too. The $16 price and even the $10/ea price for the whole set is a bit of a rip-off. They could've put two on a disc and got it down to a nice 5 disc set at a reasonable price, but c'est la vie... Thought I'd pass this on to anyone thinking of getting them. Rod --- Now playing: Kim Cascone - Three Parasites For Deleuze --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 23:04:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41242-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52466 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:09:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 52448 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:09:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:03:52 -0500 From: xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <p06200702c1cadefea21c@[192.168.0.3]> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxx@xxxx-xxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Email 22250 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JhSjE6jwGI1nsXtB+KhvMQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.197 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <p06200702c1cadefea21c@[192.168.0.3]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_JhSjE6jwGI1nsXtB+KhvMQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went to a lecture last year that dealt with the resonances of stars etc. Very interesting, you can find notes at http://astro.phys.au.dk/~jcd/HELAS/material.html The music that went with the lecture was a bit uninspired, but the raw waveforms were quite spectacular. I think the lecture notes have some treated waveforms in too, which sound a bit Bebe Barron to be "real" ;) -----Original Message----- From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sent: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 6.23PM Subject: [microsound] The Lion Roars The Lion Roars: Sounds of the Magnetosphere http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/edu/lionroar/ -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --Boundary_(ID_JhSjE6jwGI1nsXtB+KhvMQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 21:03:23 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41241-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77713 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:08:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 77697 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:08:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:05:55 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] GWEN : Synthetic Telepathy? ( rare recording ) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200700c1cda861de35@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >http://www.heliotown.com/GWEN.html > >Please do not listen to this recording if you are high or in an >altered state of consciousness. Thank you. > >TA Dang! Guess I'm never gonna be able to listen to it... R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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( rare recording ) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NMh4zY/PvsJKxcpmUCsWWon/4CoNlGfQcjYvwSw3LOmW6Wrb0qFQthpYRjCcRNJ/SnzIOQ3ZymF+DlZtzhyrtiUuA8Zc0M8sP7MxC4BOcl7IjqozB8kWf75i7OlBj6BK95PM6Pru7vnS+Srw9atSeI+4/KWmdTh+G8tzvTigt4s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Are you kidding? I am definitely going to listen to that while high. On 1/12/07, Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > In the observance of the passing of the legendary conspiracy theorist > Robert Anton Wilson I posted a webpage with a sound recording I made in > the mid-1990s of a military communications system called GWEN, the > Ground Wave Emergency Network. Some people think it serves as a medium > of governmental mind control or a phenomenon known as "synthetic > telepathy". I am personally not implying this, rather I am just an > observer and recordist. > > http://www.heliotown.com/GWEN.html > > Please do not listen to this recording if you are high or in an altered > state of consciousness. Thank you. > > TA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Commence shredding documents and deleting files. They're after me! ~Kyle On 1/12/07, Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > In the observance of the passing of the legendary conspiracy theorist > Robert Anton Wilson I posted a webpage with a sound recording I made in > the mid-1990s of a military communications system called GWEN, the > Ground Wave Emergency Network. Some people think it serves as a medium > of governmental mind control or a phenomenon known as "synthetic > telepathy". I am personally not implying this, rather I am just an > observer and recordist. > > http://www.heliotown.com/GWEN.html > > Please do not listen to this recording if you are high or in an altered > state of consciousness. Thank you. > > TA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 16:23:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41238-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1350 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:28:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 1339 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:28:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: t p <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] mcgill univ.'s "audition" requirement To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_h9dVbJhTTzQ8q1/PBln0hg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Qx8AsgpuSm7jzFXHh/foI1r1s2DHpFJESjFUFtaGLIOiW4FWP0ij2omFM2fOuCH8GcyjEg3t4Y3nt69Sfe4mvAW35nGFZBWLCLlkoTp7jXBkucSUdQbGzLXhnI9qFh2y9dWKU79YbG2fUBxEK3cXMwAg9o+yEsz5F97bS3q8tuM=; X-YMail-OSG: RA82skUVM1k6C2X_yBfZCH2PZ_LbxrImQKcJ53XbToUobw5Ybe5.oHZR7.Hs_n083ag_GaN9Tsqw9dn7ks6jJU.nT_vAM.l10DEuo4mZyDWyE7FncuCQo7ITHhbwb.FmKyOhERds9JASj_jwIUW7y0K8DdYIG6F6ru9_QiI4qfnQgrsZagRcomDlmEmnJ2g3hZ.Dj8r0Yr4x.8Y- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_h9dVbJhTTzQ8q1/PBln0hg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good afternoon all, Per a previous topic to the list, I recently looked into attending the undergrad music technology program at McGill University in Montreal. To my utter dismay, I was told that there was a mandatory audition requirement via "a standard musical instrument" tryout to be accepted into the program. Like some of you, I don't play an instrument as my work and study revolves around digital manipulation, sequencing, and consequent electronic production. Needless to say, I find this requirement shocking being that the university, as a whole, is a such a hub for innovation and interpretation. Could anyone who has gone through this program speak on the topic a bit? I would easily understand if my aim was to study classical composition, but being that it's a music tech program, I see this as being a bit obtuse. For that matter, are there any similar programs within Canada that may offer similar programs? Unfortunately, I have yet to find any as reputable. I'm an aging electronic contortionist looking to find a home. :-) So I humbly appreciate all your feedback, and please feel free to email me off the list as well. Cheers and best wishes on your goals for the rest of the day. --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --Boundary_(ID_h9dVbJhTTzQ8q1/PBln0hg)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 16:17:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41237-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97448 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:22:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 97433 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:22:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:17:05 +0100 From: Benedikt Koehler <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] GWEN : Synthetic Telepathy? ( rare recording ) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TKYZnK6pOi2+Ra1bz7vKxF19E2XR23jxAsltrpidI0rQJrKAtmDo0D8fnr4iwmeTP31LB9ZMWRIkNDQSIgMM+3Sq5G+lpvWo8CkkqwC8Btkq0vh7XEox7RtT/7JnEnQT/wpbpHxkG6aEOJndaT24RgrLq64wmOvmN0DB7QmOr2k= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Very strange recording. So that's what it sounds like when empire is breathing? I'm sure Bob would've liked it. benedikt On 1/12/07, Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > In the observance of the passing of the legendary conspiracy theorist > Robert Anton Wilson I posted a webpage with a sound recording I made in > the mid-1990s of a military communications system called GWEN, the > Ground Wave Emergency Network. Some people think it serves as a medium > of governmental mind control or a phenomenon known as "synthetic > telepathy". I am personally not implying this, rather I am just an > observer and recordist. > > http://www.heliotown.com/GWEN.html > > Please do not listen to this recording if you are high or in an altered > state of consciousness. Thank you. > > TA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 15:39:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41236-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78349 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:44:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 78337 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:39:25 -0700 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] GWEN : Synthetic Telepathy? ( rare recording ) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In the observance of the passing of the legendary conspiracy theorist Robert Anton Wilson I posted a webpage with a sound recording I made in the mid-1990s of a military communications system called GWEN, the Ground Wave Emergency Network. Some people think it serves as a medium of governmental mind control or a phenomenon known as "synthetic telepathy". I am personally not implying this, rather I am just an observer and recordist. http://www.heliotown.com/GWEN.html Please do not listen to this recording if you are high or in an altered state of consciousness. Thank you. TA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 03:04:28 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41235-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5045 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:09:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 5028 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:09:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:04:15 -0700 From: Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Robert Anton Wilson has died In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a30hc1JFtMy5StVbTXWUmdjjb3JWqE7tNXsRNokHR+N44/cx9xB6qKZdUazr9jKzERIrXDYtnmL0Rtv47wV5q3UaUTQ0v0gsG+w/TUwfih67xlTm9y4jlB2jtDrUFDdbKxhsenIVoJXckYRy5oEWiYwdNhocgcffYKljZohkWnw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Godspeed, RAW. Send a message if you get a chance. On 1/11/07, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 12 00:29:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41234-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36309 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:34:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 36296 invoked from network); Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:34:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:28:46 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Robert Anton Wilson has died To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 21:45:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41233-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55835 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:50:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 55820 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:50:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:47:11 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording In-reply-to: <000201c73505$5fdd0f60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200703c1cc6085c7df@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000201c73505$5fdd0f60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I've had good results with a 3/8" drill and a Sony lavalier mic... R. >i want to record the inside of my mother's body > >can you recommend a good quality mic? > >i'm after the heart and intestines > > >--------------------------------------- >autistici www.autistici.com >abstract ambience || broken space >blueprints (12k) compilation : out now > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 15:32:10 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41232-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44703 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:37:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 44693 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:37:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:32:03 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=meWeUgCIXbTCRNhMOYPjZcs3TsnmAdLfegcmKkPnaft+y9xBs/XpN9kseiZLWKaGBP+8SCmmoPWTTF3LQxub/VFtcGXlLs3traPVU57n6NfKWDgWBSGghIWiExL6IQRRTduJUMj/8xYmUd3ZZw1a7BIUFBlOWNhcI8ZR8H4Ms5M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx really nice, i have now the 5 cds material in flac format with a pdf of the cover, though its image and liner notes are i believe weak. but it doesn't matter, the essence is the content. 2007/1/11, emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > http://www.kingmaker.net/SymphPl.htm > > On 1/11/07, Dario Lucchi <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andras Hargitai" <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars > > > > > > > digging in... well i rather like personal suggestions than google > > > links. thanks for sharing. > > > > > > http://www.musichevirtuali.org/music/spc_singles/morel%20+%20babysitting.mp3 > > (second half) > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 15:25:26 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41231-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41099 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:30:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 41087 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:30:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:25:14 -0500 From: emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_i7nkd/4BNNougMfWUE6tLQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=V1V4KbQ6JbV79V29i7Ndbl+XiR9Wxp/ao7Iw05JHr5SH4dr08mXYQ69l50yS/LXE4DGGVw6/xW+7ehGo4WHdhBE3NWiv1KJFqpVihdRLmmLLaxbtFx8STTl7oJxYuk3RdaRldzwtDHPSLvQk6Eth+/FdsWSwMklRabU2ONkfMz8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_i7nkd/4BNNougMfWUE6tLQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.kingmaker.net/SymphPl.htm On 1/11/07, Dario Lucchi <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andras Hargitai" <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:35 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars > > > > digging in... well i rather like personal suggestions than google > > links. thanks for sharing. > > > http://www.musichevirtuali.org/music/spc_singles/morel%20+%20babysitting.mp3 > (second half) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_i7nkd/4BNNougMfWUE6tLQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 14:36:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41230-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18858 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:42:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 18845 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:42:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:36:36 +0100 From: Steffen <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording In-reply-to: <000201c73505$5fdd0f60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000201c73505$5fdd0f60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 10/01/2007, at 23.17, David @ Audiobulb wrote: > i want to record [...] can you recommend a [...] mic? You might be happy to know about the micbuilders list or the phonography list or the nature-recordists list. (all yahoo lists) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 14:00:11 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41229-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96859 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:05:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 96847 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:05:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:59:53 +0100 From: Dario Lucchi <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars X-Originating-IP: [87.4.4.252] X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2007 14:00:04.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAF2C280:01C73588] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andras Hargitai" <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars > digging in... well i rather like personal suggestions than google > links. thanks for sharing. http://www.musichevirtuali.org/music/spc_singles/morel%20+%20babysitting.mp3 (second half) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 11:29:32 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41228-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25865 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:34:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 25851 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:34:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:29:37 -0700 From: Dominic Tetmyer <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] first gen mbp In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx please correct * i need firewire 800 i have 400 thanks. On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:22 AM, Dominic Tetmyer wrote: > Anyone with a first generation Apple MacBook Pro on this list been > able to find an ExpressCard/34 which allows Firewire 400 or 800 > compatibility yet? Chaps my ass to know the second generation MBP > has a built in Firewire 800. I suppose this is what I get for > ditching the Powerbook quickly and jumping on the Intel bandwagon. > Any help in this matter is appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > dom. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 11:22:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41227-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22309 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:27:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 22297 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:27:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:22:50 -0700 From: Dominic Tetmyer <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] first gen mbp To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Anyone with a first generation Apple MacBook Pro on this list been able to find an ExpressCard/34 which allows Firewire 400 or 800 compatibility yet? Chaps my ass to know the second generation MBP has a built in Firewire 800. I suppose this is what I get for ditching the Powerbook quickly and jumping on the Intel bandwagon. Any help in this matter is appreciated. Thanks in advance. dom. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 03:01:30 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41226-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18316 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:06:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 18302 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:06:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:01:09 -0800 From: Johan Nilsson <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <p06200702c1cadefea21c@[192.168.0.3]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <p06200702c1cadefea21c@[192.168.0.3]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Rafael Toral use something like this in the background of one his tunes, I think. Johan On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Robert Arnold wrote: > The Lion Roars: Sounds of the Magnetosphere > http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/edu/lionroar/ > > -- > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not > work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God > would permit us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 00:35:08 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41225-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61389 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:40:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 61379 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:40:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:35:01 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AemKyAtehMDS2oZYx49Yzj9/3idkIVieBl7wLGlfCVySo5QBhwLgMwpX4MRmUIrWBEo8KEZkQFSnkJt0JGMu819566wM0bk0C163TYGwTDYhSTTo2obM8YRBNu7GA+GOB97YfSghk+yC/Oz+zv8aTyXoqCF8pPuAMY7lzE05Tm4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx digging in... well i rather like personal suggestions than google links. thanks for sharing. i was wondering when i saw the prices of the cds that these recordings made by voyagers should be available for free not for a 100 dollars or the like... radio emissions are "everywhere". or is it only a pair of glasses that we put on when we capture these signals? this question always makes me think and i get no answer then it fades away... 2007/1/11, Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: > There are space sounds all over the internet. Just google the source you > want. They are spread out and embedded within astronomy websites. ( > Google "Sound of pulsars" for example). > > Hear my own solar recordings at > http://www.heliotown.com/Radio_Sun_Introduction.html > > Hear my Jupiter/Io recordings at > http://www.heliotown.com/Jupiter_Pulse_&_Power.html > > Hear some extended forward scatter meteor recordings at > http://www.heliotown.com/Phonography_Radio_Leonids.html > > All my recordings are done with home built but ultrasensitive > instruments. My antennas are my active nerve ends. I bioport the > waveforms from outer space into my central nervous system. > > Main-nerving (mainlining) solar coronal mass ejections, bioporting > plasma oscillations and jumpering jovian synchrotron radiation can be > quite thrilling if you can enter the right modality and entrain with the > complex waveforms. > > Culturally, I see this work as a part of the future form of sound that > will be post-artifice, possibly post-art. > > Thomas Ashcraft > > > > Andras Hargitai wrote: > > and that is not all! > > on http://www.body-mind.com the rest of the recorded planets are > > there. :) > > its been a long time that i was so curious about anything like these.. > > i was already familiar with vlf recordings and numbers stations maybe > > i can compare my feelings to what i felt when i met those things... > > > > > > 2007/1/10, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > >> > >> On 2007 Jan 10, at 2:45 PM, Andras Hargitai wrote: > >> > >> > ugly page but nice sounds:) > >> > i was wondering if nasa or anyone released a cd with these solar > >> > system planets' radio signals... > >> > any ideas? > >> > >> > >> Around the early 90's, I bought this 5 disc set: > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/yz35g9 > >> > >> The CDs could've been condensed into about 2 discs > >> because each one is only about 30 minutes. > >> No real liner notes, so you can't be sure which planet > >> that you're listening to if that means anything to you. > >> I like each one of them. They approach more of an > >> ever-changing drone situation rather than something abrasively rattling. > >> > >> > >> Rod > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Now playing: Maarten Altena Quartet - Monk's Measure > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 11 00:22:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41224-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56333 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:28:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 56302 invoked from network); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:27:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:22:36 -0700 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There are space sounds all over the internet. Just google the source you want. They are spread out and embedded within astronomy websites. ( Google "Sound of pulsars" for example). Hear my own solar recordings at http://www.heliotown.com/Radio_Sun_Introduction.html Hear my Jupiter/Io recordings at http://www.heliotown.com/Jupiter_Pulse_&_Power.html Hear some extended forward scatter meteor recordings at http://www.heliotown.com/Phonography_Radio_Leonids.html All my recordings are done with home built but ultrasensitive instruments. My antennas are my active nerve ends. I bioport the waveforms from outer space into my central nervous system. Main-nerving (mainlining) solar coronal mass ejections, bioporting plasma oscillations and jumpering jovian synchrotron radiation can be quite thrilling if you can enter the right modality and entrain with the complex waveforms. Culturally, I see this work as a part of the future form of sound that will be post-artifice, possibly post-art. Thomas Ashcraft Andras Hargitai wrote: > and that is not all! > on http://www.body-mind.com the rest of the recorded planets are > there. :) > its been a long time that i was so curious about anything like these.. > i was already familiar with vlf recordings and numbers stations maybe > i can compare my feelings to what i felt when i met those things... > > > 2007/1/10, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: >> >> On 2007 Jan 10, at 2:45 PM, Andras Hargitai wrote: >> >> > ugly page but nice sounds:) >> > i was wondering if nasa or anyone released a cd with these solar >> > system planets' radio signals... >> > any ideas? >> >> >> Around the early 90's, I bought this 5 disc set: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/yz35g9 >> >> The CDs could've been condensed into about 2 discs >> because each one is only about 30 minutes. >> No real liner notes, so you can't be sure which planet >> that you're listening to if that means anything to you. >> I like each one of them. They approach more of an >> ever-changing drone situation rather than something abrasively rattling. >> >> >> Rod >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Now playing: Maarten Altena Quartet - Monk's Measure >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 23:43:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41223-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39043 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 39033 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:48:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:43:29 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d9U5WkeOTCNUdhIWwsJSoWg3HEX5gfnqC62WLLqiS5WXnvIH1PKvXW238yys+6u8ERBLs6doh4RtTsfmgZZUpXiZEHhAaX/DFR+8AXn7gFfZLtqsg/mngD1MmCAlM3ooo03Io2iomVA+dmRJG/kqKXTc40zWwl4vnfbWpbFHp0o= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx and that is not all! on http://www.body-mind.com the rest of the recorded planets are there. :) its been a long time that i was so curious about anything like these.. i was already familiar with vlf recordings and numbers stations maybe i can compare my feelings to what i felt when i met those things... 2007/1/10, Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > > On 2007 Jan 10, at 2:45 PM, Andras Hargitai wrote: > > > ugly page but nice sounds:) > > i was wondering if nasa or anyone released a cd with these solar > > system planets' radio signals... > > any ideas? > > > Around the early 90's, I bought this 5 disc set: > > http://tinyurl.com/yz35g9 > > The CDs could've been condensed into about 2 discs > because each one is only about 30 minutes. > No real liner notes, so you can't be sure which planet > that you're listening to if that means anything to you. > I like each one of them. They approach more of an > ever-changing drone situation rather than something abrasively rattling. > > > Rod > > > > > > > --- > Now playing: Maarten Altena Quartet - Monk's Measure > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:57:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41222-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20551 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:02:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 20527 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:02:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:57:28 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2007 Jan 10, at 2:45 PM, Andras Hargitai wrote: > ugly page but nice sounds:) > i was wondering if nasa or anyone released a cd with these solar > system planets' radio signals... > any ideas? Around the early 90's, I bought this 5 disc set: http://tinyurl.com/yz35g9 The CDs could've been condensed into about 2 discs because each one is only about 30 minutes. No real liner notes, so you can't be sure which planet that you're listening to if that means anything to you. I like each one of them. They approach more of an ever-changing drone situation rather than something abrasively rattling. Rod --- Now playing: Maarten Altena Quartet - Monk's Measure --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:43:54 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41221-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13398 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:49:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 13386 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:49:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:43:46 +0100 From: eretsua <xxxxxxxxx_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002f01c73508$c9cdd9b0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <000201c73505$5fdd0f60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i got pretty good (though not "perfect") results with sticking a simple, homebuild contactmic on (skinny) people's chests. the mic used to be a "soundgenerating birthday card" that got transformed to a contact mic by a friend of mine. ~vincent www.eretsua.com www.myspace.com/eretsuamusic ----- Original Message ----- From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording >i want to record the inside of my mother's body > > can you recommend a good quality mic? > > i'm after the heart and intestines > > > --------------------------------------- > autistici www.autistici.com > abstract ambience || broken space > blueprints (12k) compilation : out now > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:35:08 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41220-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8874 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:40:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 8863 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:40:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:35:03 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damn... stole my funny... The intestines make some seriously disgusting sounds, its great fun. aLEKs On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Brent Colflesh wrote: > A mike in one of his mom's acoustic openings might work as well. > > > Kyle Klipowicz wrote: >> Stick a sensitive lavalier mic right up to the acoustic opening of the >> ear piece of the stethoscope. >> ~Kyle >> On 1/10/07, Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>> ....mmmmm.....how can one connect the stethoscope to a mic or amp to >>> record. I am sure it has been done before. >>> >>> Maybe you should ask your doctor? >>> >>> D. >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> >>> > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >>> > Subject: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording >>> > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:08 -0000 >>> > >>> > >>> > i want to record the inside of my mother's body >>> > >>> > can you recommend a good quality mic? >>> > >>> > i'm after the heart and intestines >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------- >>> > autistici www.autistici.com >>> > abstract ambience || broken space >>> > blueprints (12k) compilation : out now >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> > website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >>> website: http://www.microsound.org >>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:32:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41219-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6671 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:37:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 6660 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:37:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:32:20 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A mike in one of his mom's acoustic openings might work as well. Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Stick a sensitive lavalier mic right up to the acoustic opening of the > ear piece of the stethoscope. > > ~Kyle > > On 1/10/07, Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> ....mmmmm.....how can one connect the stethoscope to a mic or amp to >> record. I am sure it has been done before. >> >> Maybe you should ask your doctor? >> >> D. >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> >> > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> >> > Subject: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording >> > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:08 -0000 >> > >> > >> > i want to record the inside of my mother's body >> > >> > can you recommend a good quality mic? >> > >> > i'm after the heart and intestines >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------- >> > autistici www.autistici.com >> > abstract ambience || broken space >> > blueprints (12k) compilation : out now >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:29:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41218-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4645 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:34:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 4635 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:34:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:29:32 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KVXa4pZEp2bxTK2ERQo6V7wwnxfZQE9lDNzr8mCz3T4PLfB0WxBqOepdKcbJBDh5Z9l19P2b67MytR2fMifBSb6wm8Eq/NcTUBhr/kd0kVINmRfc/LT2zQLDlHgcYMweKm6Fwn4yfMkNHFcUtgjmXgZbt8pe91FNqHyTTVF+XNo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Stick a sensitive lavalier mic right up to the acoustic opening of the ear piece of the stethoscope. ~Kyle On 1/10/07, Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > ....mmmmm.....how can one connect the stethoscope to a mic or amp to record. I am sure it has been done before. > > Maybe you should ask your doctor? > > D. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> > > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Subject: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:08 -0000 > > > > > > i want to record the inside of my mother's body > > > > can you recommend a good quality mic? > > > > i'm after the heart and intestines > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > autistici www.autistici.com > > abstract ambience || broken space > > blueprints (12k) compilation : out now > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:26:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41217-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2584 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:31:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 2569 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:31:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:26:30 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording X-Originating-IP: 69.3.155.10 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Server: ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx .....mmmmm.....how can one connect the stethoscope to a mic or amp to record. I am sure it has been done before. Maybe you should ask your doctor? D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:08 -0000 > > > i want to record the inside of my mother's body > > can you recommend a good quality mic? > > i'm after the heart and intestines > > > --------------------------------------- > autistici www.autistici.com > abstract ambience || broken space > blueprints (12k) compilation : out now > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:19:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41216-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98100 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:24:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 98036 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:24:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:08 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] contact mic > for body recording To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000201c73505$5fdd0f60$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i want to record the inside of my mother's body can you recommend a good quality mic? i'm after the heart and intestines --------------------------------------- autistici www.autistici.com abstract ambience || broken space blueprints (12k) compilation : out now --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:13:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41215-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93581 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:18:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 93570 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:18:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:13:30 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BEBALF0HiHmPer7zYk4hx1023VaVau6CD24Pn4N+iEL8XHZO35EwRJ2eN9BaZ2GV8Fb0/WsshA3+smwLJ3aGq4ycwYhzPwMM3U5IJHYZkeJhJ520TPsnSvVGTx2F0n7j4hd/AozQO3xJcJSOazy5JTyJRdOQB+4zbM/JO/Dz8A0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx oh man thank you so much! could you encode it to flac or ape? thanks again! András 2007/1/10, Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > Well actually, funny you should ask... > I have it. > It is amazing. > Will rip it & post it as soon as I have time. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:12:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41214-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92181 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 92170 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:17:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:11:17 -0800 From: Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GfHd/4R5xTcsjToH+VW97YO0d1fMmQ/fJ8WieWxUzvKXxBuu3wawUjxxbNn+yu1n49Fcl+Et47KEtVLboULLwaK0s8gzdUkNjCk81JhtpBocvv2iYnyx2jVWIcvr1/Dg1E2+9unuNTA/kv1UG9CMD/6ira6FU7k+pht7FzIxvdc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well actually, funny you should ask... I have it. It is amazing. Will rip it & post it as soon as I have time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 22:03:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41213-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86697 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:08:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 86687 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:08:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:03:16 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uGYTDZJIkAECHu6BJ+nx7tnfT5UY2GxuSAO4pKLC/bjZuuYPs4D8iMhh2Q4QDLLOJkXe1yzKXws2tmDMIrrCZ4GZRnb4ViJiMHmvlFuyNyPAp+BVSiW9Ed960qIC6K26UOmzb4g1UeALju4MswQdI9tcFlYkvdXLUEuhshQDEUs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx thanks autodot! oh my god, could be really hard to get this... anyone who has a rip of it or something? thanks again. 2007/1/10, Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>: > There was a flexi disc record released w/ National Geographic that had > samples of all these and pulsars. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 21:14:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41212-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50249 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:19:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 50237 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:19:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:13:36 -0800 From: Autodot <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HZseABJLlV+eI9ZcDo9Jp10KsHLlRpI7YAVmVgS9Mj5ZW8btjvqViM3QmQDLx6juypoOLcvtAHD9v1fKSifCQgJTuLXMUvU4j/4pSZfjHB/1pzjl5tONNu+t9eziTdOdnZL3a8GBYTDfs9wqAu9DlNzkyNebOmhwAnpaAmbhI5A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There was a flexi disc record released w/ National Geographic that had samples of all these and pulsars. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 21:04:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41211-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44553 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:09:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 44538 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:09:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:04:33 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gYUvzstgHEPczEkilLPDGBAsKpfbVe4P0YnSwbbD7e3aieKJ9GZ32Rs4+ck1W+pAsol+9SOqrcpLVjsNs/I2ly1+oSIcp9Qdfck1UYhw2k7aXwk5XkXBNrQReo9ptsJmKMG2qFt7RH7+ZGvm2UAugeeD8lOgoaxUGSDLUV0ZfFs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wow, outer space sounds suspiciously like Merzbow... ~David On 1/10/07, Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > ugly page but nice sounds:) > i was wondering if nasa or anyone released a cd with these solar > system planets' radio signals... > any ideas? > > András > > 2007/1/10, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > > The Lion Roars: Sounds of the Magnetosphere > > http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/edu/lionroar/ > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > > -- > > > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would > > permit us to be pirates." > > > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 20:45:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41210-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33095 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:50:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 33082 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:50:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:45:06 +0100 From: Andras Hargitai <xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dC5YoO6T1aDZdwf83NfYIiiQ7el1jqfGWYBerxi8uQn8bQfBmVZOiMPAd05jw1Q8+hx9D/uJUXCOeRennTrRu9yNfgYs0kkHpud6CP978G5kWvdcmSXBkW7jhHY1Ow27pu0prAUI2OrCEeZyfjCY7V3mxYm5lTo6nuwV9UUT39A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ugly page but nice sounds:) i was wondering if nasa or anyone released a cd with these solar system planets' radio signals... any ideas? András 2007/1/10, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>: > The Lion Roars: Sounds of the Magnetosphere > http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/edu/lionroar/ > > -- > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would > permit us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 18:20:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41209-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57433 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:26:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 57423 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:26:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:23:07 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] The Lion Roars In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200702c1cadefea21c@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KLyeYqceT81qAzovE83tdg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_KLyeYqceT81qAzovE83tdg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Lion Roars: Sounds of the Magnetosphere http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sppb/edu/lionroar/ -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --Boundary_(ID_KLyeYqceT81qAzovE83tdg)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 17:35:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41208-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34089 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:40:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 34073 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:40:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:34:50 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] software: Papers To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UOzjFCTR6Gt4RqIuIOLoBQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UOzjFCTR6Gt4RqIuIOLoBQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit need to organize a gaggle of .pdf academic papers scattered all over your hard drive? OS X only -- but looks very cool: http://mekentosj.com/papers/ --Boundary_(ID_UOzjFCTR6Gt4RqIuIOLoBQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 12:39:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41207-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92258 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:44:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 92247 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:44:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:39:04 +1100 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: iphone In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i don't really want to join the drooling masses over this one, but i'm sure it has audio potential - i think someone (jobs?) said it runs os x, so it has core audio and stuff... > http://www.apple.com/iphone/ > > this is so cool. i hope it is drool proof. i want one. > > wondering if there will be any audio/music apps for this? seems > like you could turn it into a perfect little field recorder. _________________________________________ feral medïa (a record label) e: xxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx w: http://www.feralmedia.com.au/ t: + 61 2 95194567 { please consider the environment before printing this mail } _________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 03:19:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41206-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70946 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:24:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 70936 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:24:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:19:27 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] interview with three Mexican filmmakers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx mexico seems to be where it's @ these days for film! (suddenly i'm reminded of that subplot joke from 'bowfinger' where the illegal mexican workers end up making the next citizen kane by the end) On 9-Jan-07, at 8:11 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > An hour on film and friendship with three Mexican filmmakers: > Alfonso Cuaron, director of "Children of Men", Guillermo del Toro, > director of "Pan's Labyrinth", and Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, > director of "Babel" > http://video.google.com/videoplay? > docid=-8155571489738252066&q=charlie+rose+cuaron&hl=en > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 01:11:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41205-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11198 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:16:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 11183 invoked from network); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:16:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:11:26 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] interview with three Mexican filmmakers To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_at7669vUsKhpTMDazDMtxA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_at7669vUsKhpTMDazDMtxA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An hour on film and friendship with three Mexican filmmakers: Alfonso Cuaron, director of "Children of Men", Guillermo del Toro, director of "Pan's Labyrinth", and Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, director of "Babel" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8155571489738252066&q=charlie +rose+cuaron&hl=en --Boundary_(ID_at7669vUsKhpTMDazDMtxA)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 01:02:57 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41204-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69038 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:50:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 68758 invoked from network); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:49:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:44:30 -0500 From: ". m u r m e r ." <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] rouen, france? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <02b801c73448$1c610b00$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=talk21.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gVjtsQqUzJpglhSlAfcPfsNYSHyANchbX6jPE02FN8u01nqsYWaXG4V5MHuXrs7O4q1OastMwsmW+g1L/GbPQ5/Lcf7ZeP9teQrMeqnQiSHPcDhQ/mU1zL8TkBk2MHDVBSqnS5MhEXe5FHj7dfJq79q4DAp8wG1phveF2AnOpOs= ; X-YMail-OSG: AmPno5EVM1k1mfbfScLMaObrhzh6EOT9AvppuyR1L147WITMqdN.bx9Wmi8NLQKyRZZCrbqe3DYHYrY_BDSfu3N1RTJ4JLbDAOyjYpU_NcuBXId95gd3I9zuHrNMw1WjMp6Tdp6fjKheToaZrLkKmA954foKcmEgPmWvvB1mVcMdtfA6VtJYb43ofg-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx is anyone round these parts in or around rouen, france? i'll be spending a lot of time there from february or march this year, and would be interested in making some contacts, hearing about what goes on, etc. i'd also like to ask about some practical info, ie public transport (i'll be about 30 miles outside of the city, without a car)... best, patrick -- | | | www.murmerings.com | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 00:55:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41203-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99490 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:54:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 66728 invoked from network); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:13:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:08:13 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Apple iPhone To: pd-liste <xx-xxxx@xxx.xx>, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2bemKmooHfnDqNTxhwPYwQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QcsCswvyefThJImakbD9XNenEdIW3+V4JQjn6IcORZ4rWtt457aWnRUvlbHRVt3odxIZpXHzpyNEpKF1Vq8xM9Kd4OYhrtT/IVqg/VIn7DXHhAx6QTyIgiEM3SA2A5Q8KBVaA4Tm5C6+uF6TdyydUvEfH7NDMhqsOFG85sNJ4G0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_2bemKmooHfnDqNTxhwPYwQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the cross post. I can't wait to see when Pure Data gets on this thing. http://www.apple.com/iphone/ ~Kyle -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --Boundary_(ID_2bemKmooHfnDqNTxhwPYwQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 10 00:51:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41202-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24267 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:34:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 98006 invoked from network); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:22:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:17:27 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] OT: iphone To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.apple.com/iphone/ this is so cool. i hope it is drool proof. i want one. wondering if there will be any audio/music apps for this? seems like you could turn it into a perfect little field recorder. g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 9 09:44:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41201-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36589 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:49:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 36574 invoked from network); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:49:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:44:27 +0100 From: Thierry Coduys <xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xx-xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IanniX_0.638=DF?= To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xx-xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello, We are proud to announce the release of IanniX-0.638 beta, available on sourceforge.net for Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and Windows. You can download it for free at the following addresses: Mac OS X UB http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-OSX.tgz? modtime=1168266460&big_mirror=0 GNU/Linux http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-Linux.tgz? modtime=1168266385&big_mirror=0 Win XP http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-Windows.zip? modtime=1168266577&big_mirror=0 Sources http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-SRC- LittleEndian.tgz?modtime=1168266541&big_mirror=0 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-SRC- BigEndian.tgz?modtime=1168266511&big_mirror=0 Examples http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-Processing- Examples-1.2.tgz?modtime=1165849293&big_mirror=0 Tutorial http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-Tutorial.pdf? modtime=1164368952&big_mirror=0 Any feedback, comment, bug report, etc, would be greatly appreciated and can be posted to the following mailing-list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/iannix-discussion Sorry for the cross-posting Enjoy, The IanniX Team. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 9 07:56:05 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41200-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97221 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:01:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 97208 invoked from network); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:01:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: d4l3d <xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: RE: [microsound] man in space with sounds X-Sender: xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 0b4ee51a93f0460ae8c8d6818d069eee X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx emanuele, I really have to thank you for this. If I'd ever heard this before, it was probably way back in '62. Put a smile on my face. I'd no idea what I was listening to until after I fired it up. I just happened to be looking out my window at the Space Needle and what was the site of the World's Fair. d4l3d --- On Mon 01/08, emanuele de raymondi < xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:From: emanuele de raymondi [mailto: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx]To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxDate: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:42:00 -0500Subject: [microsound] man in space with soundson the subject of sci-fi music, did you guys hear of Attilio Mineo? some pretty interesting stuff for 1962! (note the contrast between the kitchy, over-optimistic narrating voice and the frightening, odd music...) http://www.amazon.com/Man-Space-Sounds-Attilio-Mineo/dp/samples/B000007RW6/ref=dp_tracks_all_1/002-6477592-0353643#disc_1 _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. 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Mon Jan 8 21:47:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41199-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38999 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:52:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 38987 invoked from network); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:52:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:44:47 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] man in space with sounds In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 2. Gayway To Heaven Does that trip refuel on Uranus? emanuele de raymondi wrote: > on the subject of sci-fi music, > did you guys hear of Attilio Mineo? > some pretty interesting stuff for 1962! > (note the contrast between the kitchy, > over-optimistic narrating voice and the frightening, > odd music...) > > > http://www.amazon.com/Man-Space-Sounds-Attilio-Mineo/dp/samples/B000007RW6/ref=dp_tracks_all_1/002-6477592-0353643#disc_1 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 1/7/2007 6:29 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 8 21:42:11 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41198-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34897 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:47:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 34887 invoked from network); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:47:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:42:00 -0500 From: emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] man in space with sounds To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ChwuSjFrnh1vn9CYdKPiSg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hHR+CDRGYrHGI1wTahBN8cpdM9UNZtQeDBEPm6lMdw49Rcz0cnoUKiZAWQ2q2X96pIu490NPpO1wEq08yeRPGEs8IixuEYZreJ6eGHEH1SIzSpTgjp9k4yXhu+8f9GmOJl2fXXp69Xc16/VIaq93YYRpIDvyeQY7+HygdiaS3AQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ChwuSjFrnh1vn9CYdKPiSg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on the subject of sci-fi music, did you guys hear of Attilio Mineo? some pretty interesting stuff for 1962! (note the contrast between the kitchy, over-optimistic narrating voice and the frightening, odd music...) http://www.amazon.com/Man-Space-Sounds-Attilio-Mineo/dp/samples/B000007RW6/ref=dp_tracks_all_1/002-6477592-0353643#disc_1 --Boundary_(ID_ChwuSjFrnh1vn9CYdKPiSg)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 7 12:03:59 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41197-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58467 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:08:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 58453 invoked from network); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:08:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:03:49 +0000 From: Pere Josep Villez <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Job announcement opportunity To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_U8uf4KakCe5u1L8yWCPvRA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=AUAApBN3i0nW0TlNJ+e1m90RPctdXEDnfwMyxAwJ5n/lLYMZiPBrZZSKx5N4PbNWdRVw9kUktyghxu3afzEg2z+quPr3QS22Fw7enxOYMMMD+hBLgmh3RPtqL5FfP0lIQHsbS9gygRV+Z2j4o6/YoGmZsFV4xR2cjF8oHZB5gnA= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_U8uf4KakCe5u1L8yWCPvRA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all. Just wanted to let you know about the following job advertised here: http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/browse/education/academic/vacancy-1245001.html We are keen for applications from anywhere in the world. the post is very creative, flexible and is mainly a role to help develop the new master's course called Creative and Computational Sound. The units in the course use Max/Msp/Jitter etc. One specific research interest is in "microsound" though we are open to a wide gamut of activity interests. Feel free to ask me any questions, best Pere Josep Senior Lecturer in Music & Sound Technology - Creative Technologies University of Portsmouth *Location: *Hampshire & Isle of Wight Salary: £31,525 - £38,772 Date posted: 2 Jan 2007 Closing date: 19 Jan 2007 Creative Technologies £31,525 - £38,772 The Department of Creative Technologies undertakes teaching and research in an exciting and popular range of subjects including Computational Sound, Music & Sound Technology, Entertainment Technology, Computer Animation, Digital Media and Computer Games Technology. We are further developing the areas of Sound Technology especially at post-graduate levels, particularly in the area of sound design, computer music programming, composition and sound for mixed media, interfacing and interactivity in computer music. We are looking for new skills in electro-acoustic music and composition, sound design and advanced sound synthesis, sound to film, computer programming using graphical dataflow languages such as Max/Msp/Jitter and someone with experience in collaborating with colleagues across a range of digital art disciplines. Quoting ref: AFCC 0135/G. Pere Josep Villez Course Leader Msc Creative and Computational Sound Creative Technologies Portsmouth University Eldon Building Winston Churchill Avenue Portsmouth PO1 2DJ www.port.ac.uk/courses/coursetypes/postgraduate/MScCreativeAndComputationalSound/ www.perevillez.com www.centuryofnoise.com --Boundary_(ID_U8uf4KakCe5u1L8yWCPvRA)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 7 05:51:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41196-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57974 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 05:55:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 57962 invoked from network); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 05:55:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: buzzard <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Nabble-From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The house alarm was fantastic - I want it. About the "zen music" - it sounds to me alot like some of the music out there now, you know, the noisier stuff. I was thinking that maybe it wasn't future music so much as current stuff that young people will find soothing in old age. In high school I would listen to Slayer to nap in the afternoon. 21 years from now I will be 54 years old, will I still be listening to Naked City to relax? maybe. Will my grand kids think of John Zorn the way I thought of Glenn Miller? When that scene came on I thought the music was really cool and I wanted to hear more - my roomate leaned over to me and said "god, thats awful". Maybe Michael Cains character was just an art-punk in his youth. Of course zen music isn't really all that easy listening anyway with all the "random" bell clanging and such - So maybe it is just a future idea of the music buddhist monks will be producing eventually. I dunno, it was a really cool moment though. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/children-of-men-futuristic-music-tf2900862.html#a8201864 Sent from the Microsound mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 5 20:54:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41195-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65857 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:59:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 65847 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:59:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:54:27 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] My work on a TV show? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J6ZXNTd59PcGLezkBVJcSVQUjlYArT1y/Ov431hcl94hRxkq3j63k6cPpgQGnCc2FRkBKwNmPGJ25P+hFX0rrY2467+g7NPEoK18jq6TMhTHB5v5aO6xYyW+BEwG9Q9RvOtfqsESt8qvUiTx26cuu1FghsnXp16y0YR7z0EjLKI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Just to make this more interesting: How do you feel about Marcel Duchamp's version of the Mona Lisa? I think you can see what I'm getting at, by choosing an example where we can leave the legal implications aside, and focus on the aesthetic implications... You are probably better off contacting a lawyer for specifically legal advice! ~David On 1/5/07, Cecil Touchon <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I was watching TV this evening and for a brief moment during a > commercial for a new show called GAY, STRAIGHT OR TAKEN? on TBS or The > Lifetime Channel. I saw what looked like one of my paintings in the > background. I have TIVO so was able to rewind. Sure enough, someone has > used my image and remade it into a derivative work to fit the stageset > they were going for. I am not sure what to make of it. Is that copyright > infringement? see the details at: > http://collagemuseum.blogspot.com/ please feel free to leave a comment. > Cecil Touchon > http://touchon.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 5 20:42:17 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41194-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58180 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:46:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 58168 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:46:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:41:58 -0600 From: Cecil Touchon <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] My work on a TV show? To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Chzlrs: 0 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I was watching TV this evening and for a brief moment during a commercial for a new show called GAY, STRAIGHT OR TAKEN? on TBS or The Lifetime Channel. I saw what looked like one of my paintings in the background. I have TIVO so was able to rewind. Sure enough, someone has used my image and remade it into a derivative work to fit the stageset they were going for. I am not sure what to make of it. Is that copyright infringement? see the details at: http://collagemuseum.blogspot.com/ please feel free to leave a comment. Cecil Touchon http://touchon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 5 18:55:28 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41193-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99522 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:00:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 99511 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:00:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:55:10 -0800 From: Bill Jarboe <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] any ideas? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 4.242.105.103 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=o8Zlv6kMsOVUknqmYkq4Fy1JmmillxhVnOJdhH+KhkzI2vO6EXqeXVckSsxOuFfI; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: f6dd78c2ac81c6498eb596e2db90c20d239a348a220c2609b2c97d368b533fbfb5d6e6ff12d6a0c5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Dominic Tetmyer wrote: > Hello list, > > I am currently in the market for a hardware compressor unit. I would > prefer something under the $500 range. Anyone have any experience with > a particular brand either bad/good? Please share. Essentially my use > of such a compressor will be for warming up sounds and samples, > perhaps whole mixes. Either single band or multi-band will do. Also, I > can live without a gate/eq/compressor package... unless it is > exceptional. So all ideas on this matter are appreciated. Thanks in > advance. > > You might like the 'Really Nice Compressor' http://www.fmraudio.com/ There is the Drawmer MX30 with a gate , and the DL251(which is out of your price range)... http://www.drawmer.com/ I like ART products for some reason: http://www.zzounds.com/item--ART212 Sorry about the zzounds link , like the reviews. I don't know alot about ART I know what I like etc. (ha ha ha ha). -hope this is help -b --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 5 18:29:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41192-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83285 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:33:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 83274 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:33:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:28:49 -0500 From: John Wynne <xx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1C40311.9EE2%xx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music Thread-index: Accw91e2lkqPdpzqEdu2rAAUUTGKvg== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 31/12/06 00:29, "Graham Miller" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > completed a master's thesis on exactly > this kind of thing (thesis in a nutchell: why don't sci-fi films ever > try to imagine what the music of the future might sound like?) Interesting. Is that available online or could you send me a copy? I have a student working on some "imaginary" musics from other times/places and it might be very helpful for him as well as interesting to me. John -- ________________________________ John Wynne Senior Lecturer in Sound Arts London College of Communication University of the Arts London Email x.xxxxx@xxx.xxxx.xx.xx Tel 020 7514 6876 ________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 5 17:32:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41191-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53787 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:37:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 53773 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:37:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:32:45 -0700 From: Dominic Tetmyer <xxx_xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] any ideas? To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello list, I am currently in the market for a hardware compressor unit. I would prefer something under the $500 range. Anyone have any experience with a particular brand either bad/good? Please share. Essentially my use of such a compressor will be for warming up sounds and samples, perhaps whole mixes. Either single band or multi-band will do. Also, I can live without a gate/eq/compressor package... unless it is exceptional. So all ideas on this matter are appreciated. Thanks in advance. dom. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 5 05:35:59 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41190-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58244 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:40:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 58233 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:40:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:00:16 -0700 From: John Hopkins <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] magnatune In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06230939c1c37da10e6f@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi FOlks -- anybody have any experience with http://magnatune.com/info/ ?? seems interesting... Cheers John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 3 22:45:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41189-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62420 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:49:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 62409 invoked from network); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:49:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:45:06 +0000 From: Christian Lange <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] 320 KBPs MP3s To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 9FIEmKcVM1lZP5cbQJbAr8H9PykvumIC61tL_rqNladSjNRewcFYxKzFHXlTF5.nO.7_ei0E8WrdMv2Pfvbenh09Du97.b2n3ouLe5JsrTwTNoyNKWSvasETW5Y5Sib8WRWNp1LEI1OH X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear All, A short note to announce Fallt's relaunch on 1 January, 2007. To coincide with the launch we have uploaded freely available 320 KBPs MP3s of most of our archive. A cross-section of work is available, including the entire 'invalidObject Series' which was described by Matt Ffytche in The Wire as "a showcase for the extraordinary range of practical approaches within contemporary electronic music." You can find MP3s at the site along with exclusives in a new /audio section: http://www.fallt.com Thanks you and a Happy New Year. Best, Christian -- Fallt Publishing | Audio Visual Editions http://www.fallt.com .. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 3 21:02:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41188-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10024 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:07:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 10013 invoked from network); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:07:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:02:38 -0300 From: birrein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D+GMiQXlmAkLdIx3WeMbrt+v/TYj4r0PM2SobvXfcox7V7OvmSSR9vit0lTXrbY1xi/fMAn+F/LS4kIpTldaNfOElWx8YvWzM04t6z5K13Sa0bpgmrS2CXC8H3bnEo5uhBmoC/I5qFV7r1Vm97x2wu/So6+oR0Vp2YFXDGfbHBo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <002b01c72ce3$533132c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 12/31/06, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > really? which track? i have that album... > > On 31-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: > > > When Cain plays the "zen" music with Owen after their strawbery > > spliff it is in part an Aphex Twin track fron Druqs and either > > remixed or mixed with something else > > http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070103174545bjs9.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 3 14:58:34 2007 Return-path: <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (collab.or8.net [209.6.82.6]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3E96525B5; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp19.orange.fr (smtp19.orange.fr [80.12.242.1]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE3964F40A for <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 05:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1906.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 53CFB1C000C2; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:32:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.63] (AMarseille-256-1-86-40.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.9.197.40]) by mwinf1906.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6CC2B1C00093; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:32:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:32:25 +0100 From: Philippe Petit <xxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [Microsound-announce] BiP_HOp Generation : December playlist Sender: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxx_xxxxxxx_xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, idm - moderated <xxx-x@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, "xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>, "xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx-xx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, annonces Wire <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Errors-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2yTJ1LhlEn+JOgYEa3k9Bw)" Precedence: list X-BeenThere: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Delivered-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx X-Original-To: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-UUID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:58:15 -0500 X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=help> List-Id: microsound related announcements <microsound-announce.microsound.nexthop.net> Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_2yTJ1LhlEn+JOgYEa3k9Bw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Mailsmith-8F9A893E-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Mailsmith-8F9A893E-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit BiP_HOp Generation on Radio Grenouille // 88.8 FM Wednesday evenings : 19:00 - 20:30 PM // Marseille // France December 2006 Playlist ARTIST ALBUM label Barry Adamson : stranger on the sofa (Central Control International) Rope : heresy, and then nothing but tears (Family Vineyard) Sybarite : cut out shape (Temporary Residence) (r) : under the cables, into the wind (Important) Bill Laswell vs. Submerged : brutal calling (Karl) knives Of Resistance : s/t (demo) Ulrike Haage : weisses land (Content) Ateleia : formal sleep (Xeric/Table Of The Elements) Pow Ensemble : birdsong from inside the egg (X-Or) Pierre-Yves Macé & Quatuor Pli : crash test 2 (Orkhestra) Kama Aina : club kama aina (Rumraket) Offchestra : l'apocalisse di giovanni (Off/Pre) Leo Abrahams : scene memory (BiP_HOp) Prima Donkey : rythme exotique (Radical Duke) Pylône : black grains (Sound On Probation) Oblong : indicator (Expanding) Nina Nastasia : on leaving (Fat Cat) Rodach : on air (Traumton) Taylor Deupree : 1 am (12K) W. W. Lowman : plain songs (Who-Hey?) DAAU : live 2005 (Radical Duke) Andy Stott : merciless (Modern Love) Dosh : the lost take (Anticon) Chris Watson - BJ Nilsen : storm (Touch) VA. Blueprints (12K) Welcome : sirs (Fat Cat) Erika Stucky : princess (Traumton) Library Tapes : feelings for something lost (Resonant) The Blow : paper television (Tomlab) --Mailsmith-8F9A893E-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">BiP_HOp Generation on Radio Grenouille // 88.8 FM</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Wednesday evenings : 19:00 - 20:30 PM // Marseille // France</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">December 2006 Playlist</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> ARTIST ALBUM label</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Times New Roman; min-height: 15px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman">Barry Adamson : stranger on the sofa (Central Control International)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rope : heresy, and then nothing but tears (Family Vineyard)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sybarite : cut out shape (Temporary Residence)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman">(r) : under the cables, into the wind (Important)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman">Bill Laswell vs. Submerged : brutal calling (Karl)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">knives Of Resistance : s/t (demo)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman">Ulrike Haage : weisses land (Content)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ateleia : formal sleep (Xeric/Table Of The Elements)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Pow Ensemble : birdsong from inside the egg (X-Or)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Pierre-Yves Macé & Quatuor Pli : crash test 2 (Orkhestra)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Kama Aina : club kama aina (Rumraket)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Offchestra : l'apocalisse di giovanni (Off/Pre)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Leo Abrahams : scene memory (BiP_HOp)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Prima Donkey : rythme exotique (Radical Duke)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Pylône : black grains (Sound On Probation)</DIV><DIV style="text-align: justify;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Oblong : indicator (Expanding)</DIV><DIV style="text-align: auto;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nina Nastasia : on leaving (Fat Cat)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rodach : on air (Traumton)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Taylor Deupree : 1 am (12K)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">W. W. Lowman : plain songs (Who-Hey?)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">DAAU : live 2005 (Radical Duke)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Andy Stott : merciless (Modern Love)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dosh : the lost take (Anticon)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Chris Watson - BJ Nilsen : storm (Touch)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">VA. Blueprints (12K)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Welcome : sirs (Fat Cat)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Erika Stucky : princess (Traumton)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Library Tapes : feelings for something lost (Resonant)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The Blow : paper television<FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter"> (Tomlab)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> --Mailsmith-8F9A893E-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78-- --Boundary_(ID_2yTJ1LhlEn+JOgYEa3k9Bw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Microsound-announce mailing list xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce --Boundary_(ID_2yTJ1LhlEn+JOgYEa3k9Bw)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 3 05:09:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41187-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3492 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 05:13:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 3476 invoked from network); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 05:13:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:08:50 -0600 (CST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] Ponggame In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.x.xxx.xxx.x.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vuyDNDC7UmBguD/WwH+tKw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5-1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_vuyDNDC7UmBguD/WwH+tKw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you can use processing or flash to send OSC data to programs like pd to generate sound, there may be a way to do the same but I havent downloaded the pong game. we built a simple teaching example using pd and processing to send x and y coordinates from mouse positions or from other data to three machines running pd via a router. I have attached a version that was used to create the illusion of wind blowing through a room when the six speakers were spread around a room. you might be able to adapt it for what you want to do also processing has been updated since this was written so that its code resembles other java-based languages more closely : imagelink becomes imageLink framerate becomes frameRate I have updated this one yet but will soon I am not an expert but you can contact me off list if you need help with it http://puredata.org/ http://processing.org/ greg > Hello > I am trying to make a simple (it looks simple) > installation. It is the game Pong (this version > http://uri.cat/software/netPong/ ) . I want to divide > the gamefield in 15 squares and assign an predefined > soundevcent to each of them. Everytime the ball enters > a new square, it should trigger the evnt of that > square. So for this i need a way to track the ball. Is > there anyone who could help me out? I am just a > student so i don't have much experience. > thanks a lot > Samuel Van Ransbeeck > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --Boundary_(ID_vuyDNDC7UmBguD/WwH+tKw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_vuyDNDC7UmBguD/WwH+tKw)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 3 02:45:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41186-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51134 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:49:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 51114 invoked from network); Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:49:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: Samuel van ransbeeck <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Ponggame To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B2+O+OzWruxxlX6Odmruv3sd7zm/T6CM1jR6gU1134LrLVDJYGfsGC7jpa/IgLrDp8qRbcLOFPBT++ohQ9mx8VKy+oLIkGvjqb6j4w7umU+8goj7XxNB8ROhi/XpTUwT+7PNJOVkluAEdaBDrq1zC/aRPj0s+XllFVjw5T2EwwA= ; X-YMail-OSG: EV5vgOgVM1nCDedqRHm99pJPkE.cXjDNtyxh0Ya8ZmksjiJqu3vmIrcNmq90Vv4UhUfZ2NSD5qfbF2l7NyjGjRjX9vahpft4fMfxYJJxenDlhWc6rlRwXCL_DOuQPpZVSFNrCecfcbxXssI- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hello I am trying to make a simple (it looks simple) installation. It is the game Pong (this version http://uri.cat/software/netPong/ ) . I want to divide the gamefield in 15 squares and assign an predefined soundevcent to each of them. Everytime the ball enters a new square, it should trigger the evnt of that square. So for this i need a way to track the ball. Is there anyone who could help me out? I am just a student so i don't have much experience. thanks a lot Samuel Van Ransbeeck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 2 14:15:48 2007 Return-path: <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (collab.or8.net [209.6.82.6]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A336AB1FA; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp9.orange.fr (smtp9.orange.fr [193.252.22.22]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A0764F4AB for <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 06:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.63] (AMarseille-256-1-86-40.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.9.197.40]) by mwinf0907.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 87D901C00145; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:05:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:05:56 +0100 From: Philippe Petit <xxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [Microsound-announce] new songs + wishing you the very best In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx To: Philippe Petit <xxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Cc: annonces Wire <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx-xx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxxxxx_xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, idm - moderated <xxx-x@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, "xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Vd0xBBbNeAPdV45zwgLbtg)" Precedence: list X-BeenThere: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Delivered-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx X-Original-To: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-UUID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:15:33 -0500 References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=help> List-Id: microsound related announcements <microsound-announce.microsound.nexthop.net> Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Vd0xBBbNeAPdV45zwgLbtg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Mailsmith-8FA532CD-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Mailsmith-8FA532CD-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear readers hope u ended the year in a pleasant way for us 2006 was wonderful, managing to create our sound and creating a music which satisfies our tastes 2007 looks promising as we have started discussing the release of our first album some comps featuring SOC are announced and should pave the way for "Our Moon Is Full". In the meantime for those impatient among you you can visit our My Space http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness hear our new song in collaboration with Pete Simonelli, voice/texts in the super group from San Franciso : ENABLERS http://www.myspace.com/enablers http://enablerssf.com/ we have also U-Tubed a video from our live at MIMI festival, a cover from Alice Coltrane... again thanx for your interests, so many of you sent messages or left comments or came and listened, almost 25 000... So definitely THANX TONS for all the support 2007 best wishes to you philippe --Mailsmith-8FA532CD-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">dear readers<DIV>hope u ended the year in a pleasant way</DIV><DIV>for us 2006 was wonderful, managing to create our sound and creating a music which satisfies our tastes</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>2007 looks promising as we have started discussing the release of our first album</DIV><DIV>some comps featuring SOC are announced and should pave the way for "Our Moon Is Full".</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>In the meantime for those impatient among you you can visit our My Space</DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><A href="http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness">http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness</A><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>hear our new song in collaboration with Pete Simonelli, voice/texts in the super group from San Franciso : ENABLERS</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.myspace.com/enablers">http://www.myspace.com/enablers</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://enablerssf.com">http://enablerssf.com</A>/</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">we have also U-Tubed a video from our live at MIMI festival, a cover from Alice Coltrane...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">again thanx for your interests, so many of you sent messages or left comments or came and listened, almost 25 000... </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So definitely THANX TONS for all the support</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2007 best wishes to you</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">philippe</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML> --Mailsmith-8FA532CD-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78-- --Boundary_(ID_Vd0xBBbNeAPdV45zwgLbtg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Microsound-announce mailing list xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce --Boundary_(ID_Vd0xBBbNeAPdV45zwgLbtg)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 1 20:10:10 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41184-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88308 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:14:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 88289 invoked from network); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:14:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:20:39 +0100 From: vul3jp6 <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] MandarinButton - net radio of sound art/noise X-Originating-IP: [193.247.144.2] X-Sender: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx, xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx, xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx, xxxxxx@xx-xxx.xxx, xxxxx_xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_muuyaXOelFvVEuvwNYOzTg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Originating-Email: [xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2007 20:10:02.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[D21AE290:01C72DE0] --Boundary_(ID_muuyaXOelFvVEuvwNYOzTg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, greets of course for a new year, a online radio program has featuring sound artists from Mandarin speaking background, of so-called noise, experimental soundscape, field recording, sound phenomenons. We like to invite ur listening to - MandarinButton - ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ MP3 stream hub (live from zurich) : http://proces.artia.org:8080/proces64.mp3.m3u playlist : http://www.little-object.com:8080/proces64.mp3.m3u program note (prag) : http://proces.artia.org/tiki-index.php?page=MandarinButton <<<<<<<<<<<<<< info __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ MandarinButton host by pei & kiilo ;') --Boundary_(ID_muuyaXOelFvVEuvwNYOzTg)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 1 20:15:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41185-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91509 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:19:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 91499 invoked from network); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:19:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6P2TsUhJRnY1Ssaa8/amaQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U1aPiQG2HlLxDH7s8AJ2nPpF8VLLtmH/Pau4oNDnQIvHQ21lm2zydepWH1BiwPN4t00dZRXaho7vJ2Tf8IQz1cqS4Hq66cLECkSY1XAKSB+BNdveUzFaPUFu9t1SaFiYtxp6jQT3nXQ1Cmw0f6iwn8WkUqzPLXAx33VqZ/lG1G8= ; X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6P2TsUhJRnY1Ssaa8/amaQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw 'Children of Men' and agree that its a brilliant movie. The credits should list the piece of music used, if it was borrowed. Sounded like AFX or Shitmat to me. Happy New Year. Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_6P2TsUhJRnY1Ssaa8/amaQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 1 17:32:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41183-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16958 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:36:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 16947 invoked from network); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:36:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:32:26 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] soundtrack listing for children of men To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_XYtfviL8YaIgBsMCu9KtIA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_XYtfviL8YaIgBsMCu9KtIA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206634/soundtrack --Boundary_(ID_XYtfviL8YaIgBsMCu9KtIA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 1 11:50:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41182-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7984 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:54:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 7973 invoked from network); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:54:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:50:16 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000c01c72d9b$01be54a0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <002b01c72ce3$533132c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <000b01c72d99$2c6289d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Oh, not that this is conclusive, http://www.yourmovies.com.au/movies/?action=movie_info&title_id=25214 has a review that mentions APHEX, still it is not on the OS..still a cracking film, I will have to get it out on DVD when it is out, it is one of those films I think I could watch again and again. Wonder if the book is good. The fx were particularly spectacular in their subtlety too.. no Hollywood fiery explosions etc..scary vision of the very near future!! steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven McLeod" <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music > Really not sure, I just recognised parts of a rhthym track and other > sounds , it is an album I have also but find hard to listen to all in one > go.. Would have to watch the film again to be sure, but remember my ears > pricking up like a dog in the cinema as they do whenever I notice a > familiar piece in cinema or tv/adverts..hmm will have to listen again to > the album..shit hot film tho, the best I have sen in a loooong time > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Miller" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> > To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music > > >> really? which track? i have that album... >> >> On 31-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: >> >>> When Cain plays the "zen" music with Owen after their strawbery spliff >>> it is in part an Aphex Twin track fron Druqs and either remixed or >>> mixed with something else >>> >>> steve >>> - >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: >> 30/12/2006 14:59 >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: 30/12/2006 > 14:59 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 1 11:37:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41181-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3625 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:41:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 3613 invoked from network); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:41:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:37:08 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000b01c72d99$2c6289d0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <002b01c72ce3$533132c0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Really not sure, I just recognised parts of a rhthym track and other sounds , it is an album I have also but find hard to listen to all in one go.. Would have to watch the film again to be sure, but remember my ears pricking up like a dog in the cinema as they do whenever I notice a familiar piece in cinema or tv/adverts..hmm will have to listen again to the album..shit hot film tho, the best I have sen in a loooong time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Miller" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: "microsound" <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] children of men/futuristic music > really? which track? i have that album... > > On 31-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: > >> When Cain plays the "zen" music with Owen after their strawbery spliff >> it is in part an Aphex Twin track fron Druqs and either remixed or mixed >> with something else >> >> steve >> - > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: 30/12/2006 > 14:59 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org