From benjamin c acree Sent Thu, Feb 1st 2007, 03:51
From benjamin c acree Sent Thu, Feb 1st 2007, 03:51
I think that the idea that somehow asia has been "passed the cultural baton" is already a banality and flatly untrue. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 02:16:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41466-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70165 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:17:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 70148 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:17:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:16:13 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-3128A654B19A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Milan Davidovic wrote on 1/31/07 at 6:07 PM >Thank goodness; do you know hard it is to hold a coffee and a muffin >AND a cultural baton all at the same time? Perhaps I should have said "passed the Stalin belt": <http://i11.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/88/82/f2b4_1_b.JPG> Best, vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 01:16:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41465-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32697 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:17:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 32684 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:17:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: gq1.qi4VM1mkyNB9VByCg34phAjU7RE6P5Bp3Cx79Th_Vu2OVIBgvIO8Xe27AnnoR165c69wG7ZVaukwlq6cr_NY058kR8hiMdrXBLKmVFWY1mfdL9A- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx A discussion about style?!! Please proceed! -Adrian --- Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > what was the style of chinese gabber that someone > mentioned a while back? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 01:15:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41464-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30902 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:16:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 30891 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:16:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <r02010500-1048-4C7A5E8AB18F11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: dIKme7wVM1lr_IJqwqR4HgbGQiMtiJtBfn_fEmCRAtgzZDVsR1Xrj7DAj5Z8ttl954G9FGi81w1MMjy9xn1e1FPSogYvyZ9HZbnXw2Wk17SMaLlxFzNFkWQO9_9hYohtqu8azdRtp_PP..o- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx That's beside the point... I googled there fore I am. -Adrian --- Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Well, if you're going to use the wikipedia as the final authority, > you > should at least investigate their entry on Bhangra, which I wouldn't > exactly call "indian pop" considering its rather long history as a > folk > music in the Punjab... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 00:58:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41463-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19517 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:59:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 19507 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:59:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:15 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-4C7A5E8AB18F11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote on 1/31/07 at 6:06 PM >Sagoo grew up in "Birmingham, England, in a predominantly Black >neighbourhood, influenced by disco, rap and Motown music". So I see >that as western influence on indian pop music.. not the other way >around. Well, if you're going to use the wikipedia as the final authority, you should at least investigate their entry on Bhangra, which I wouldn't exactly call "indian pop" considering its rather long history as a folk music in the Punjab... Best, vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 00:27:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41462-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95177 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:28:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 95158 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:28:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <r02010500-1048-7365EE16B17A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lvTql2M8oiR24iQ5ZR5vTtWgLKHr6YhEPOTp620yfnUnR250rHQNFfm7lLvkp+SjsCpyogEt+2XWa0viIYQC7XeYg6PgKATMKmxLl8HcZamEbwnt8490LZCUsgz2dwMepSA6DsB4/hfXoTHqK/HbsgYkF7vGqNyqWIKpLv19qK0= ; X-YMail-OSG: tUHwrvgVM1k2DxPgIv7NbQOV2HJMTqQkVzJ5.ZMn5HFoig8FKGHF_G8mVlyZ5RNd0Wnu54sBlMGBnIT0h.R2vhAa2Bx.PLoz2ki7_9K0byhAKPX3b0gsuw3tIfaclJJv2y1z5cCFPNCBvZ4- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx what was the style of chinese gabber that someone mentioned a while back? --- Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Xdugef wrote on 1/31/07 at 4:16 PM > > >So can we expect to see all the hot new club hits > to come out of india > >and china? Maybe a new genre will emerge called > RedChilloutAmbient? > > I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long > time ago, it's just > that "Westerners" will be the last to know. > > You might want to check out Bally Sagoo or Seo Taiji > for a start. > > Best, vatic > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 23:35:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41461-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57138 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:37:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 57109 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:37:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:35:39 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ian Reddy wrote: > My experience has been that if I look at a work of > art I know nothing about, it still triggers connections to things I've > experienced sure, but are those connections where the emotions come from, or are they something else? When I look at a work of art I know nothing about there are two parallel response processes - a) emotional/ physical/ physiological and b) intelluctual/ philosophical. Both happen in parallel. I'm not sure if they normally influence each other or not, but my instinct says they can even if they don't always. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 23:07:29 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41460-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32408 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 32384 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:05 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pULKzkNDbgXfJMeP5xLbnVN1/S6qa6ZGcaTp9gOMoKw3j38DSgi7h1J8H4eA4OOXe//3CWRCvBZNzNPrLjMkjvuTKlSmUN5V4uKKZrFJdaiBhZliXu/i9KVnVY9DWvbPaqI3mYc/TkdNzdk5NRdzEH7Y1d0otthfLs84xa9ZQf0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/31/07, Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long time ago, it's just > that "Westerners" will be the last to know. Thank goodness; do you know hard it is to hold a coffee and a muffin AND a cultural baton all at the same time? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 23:07:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41459-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31549 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 31512 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <r02010500-1048-7365EE16B17A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: ANkytpwVM1kV1r5PKVyQPWtoOI9ssnCeuozyFhSERlxnPY8OspxPBwvOkb10Guz5NkHzPlfczYAJhHXsgVGyVXH5Ae3tqCQ2_uywNawXl_Qrm57tyww- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long time ago, it's > just that "Westerners" will be the last to know. Last to know or last to care? > You might want to check out Bally Sagoo or Seo Taiji for a start. What about them? I don't see how the economy's of their countries of origin having much to do with their being talented or determined. Sagoo grew up in "Birmingham, England, in a predominantly Black neighbourhood, influenced by disco, rap and Motown music". So I see that as western influence on indian pop music.. not the other way around. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 22:29:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41458-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98031 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 98015 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:28:59 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-7365EE16B17A11DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote on 1/31/07 at 4:16 PM >So can we expect to see all the hot new club hits to come out of india >and china? Maybe a new genre will emerge called RedChilloutAmbient? I'd argue the cultural baton passed to Asia a long time ago, it's just that "Westerners" will be the last to know. You might want to check out Bally Sagoo or Seo Taiji for a start. Best, vatic --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 21:17:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41457-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39934 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:18:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 39911 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:18:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] repository In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Up.hR8gVM1kBcHP4aIFp7eVtEZoTM95ZrzgILZvDX8agIbINPCqhyYRW4aJvrm1XLh1NZxyxFoSwFyk4QzPcLxK_gK5KaLysQNzxUmE3RCrShifrtdySYIiN2yShycb1dnJ3Qrt9wQYM_Is- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx So can we expect to see all the hot new club hits to come out of india and china? Maybe a new genre will emerge called RedChilloutAmbient? Maybe I could hire some programmers in india to write max patches for me so I can cash in on the new global economy? -Adrian "The great transnational consortiums, principal agents in the process of integration of economic blocks, are located in those nations where they obtain most benefits and where the salaries or government charges are lowest, and as globalization advances, they are organized to assume more power and dominion. In this way, multinational industries are turned into true financial powers who enter into competition with the economies of nations, they weaken them and destroy the means of sustenance of marginalized and rural communities; thus, at a time when the generation of wealth diminishes in many countries, because of international competition, the distribution of income becomes all the time more unequal, to the detriment of the weakest. (Roman, 2004: 45) " --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > One of the most interesting philosophers of aesthetics I've read is > > Stefan Morawski, whose book: _Inquiries into the Fundamentals of > > Aesthetics_ (MIT Press, 1974) is the best english language > > statement of > > his thinking. > > thanks for doing this! > also, I uploaded: > Fibreculture Journal Issue 5.pdf > 'Speculations on a Marxist theory of the Virtual Revolution' > > for any .microsounders who might have an interest in reading it > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 18:20:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41456-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7548 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 7535 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:19:45 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] atomique To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > in no particular place....just a bunch of atoms, it seems. bits are electrons or photons...not atoms...sorry, couldn't resist ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:56:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41455-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85280 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:58:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 85270 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:58:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:56:40 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] repository To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qgXy5hfcB2NlfRvq7i9DtQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qgXy5hfcB2NlfRvq7i9DtQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One of the most interesting philosophers of aesthetics I've read is > Stefan Morawski, whose book: _Inquiries into the Fundamentals of > Aesthetics_ (MIT Press, 1974) is the best english language > statement of > his thinking. thanks for doing this! also, I uploaded: Fibreculture Journal Issue 5.pdf 'Speculations on a Marxist theory of the Virtual Revolution' for any .microsounders who might have an interest in reading it --Boundary_(ID_qgXy5hfcB2NlfRvq7i9DtQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:09:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41454-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47852 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:10:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 47832 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:10:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: yV.CQE0VM1mnj7RPm_FbILNRxdkuA45tdyRqf.ktGnHI19RQsEln8jvHHVFKLXfLqXgpGmDqhzqweumaF9d21mQctxFu9HkPiLKsnkIz9w9WZT43ewg- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > No, you can enjoy art without a point of reference. But when do you > ever actually do that? My experience has been that if I look at a > work of > art I know nothing about, it still triggers connections to things > I've > experienced Som epeople can but many people can't or won't or feel uncomfortable and don't know what to do with themselves. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:08:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41453-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46568 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:09:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 46556 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:09:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:08:19 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: dongle question In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kS3D3f3TvdOCLrZbxx+VS9/Ko4WBwDjYFp2EqEiDi5Oe0XWO376zAlN6aPyFEH1qJY3ZjPa3S8s6Nqsu1H9gc4dTS5SMDYqNRly3m+CuUPSWGIy3ClXMuJsYixMFggZrw43qTa1N7gVkDWuHwTcKxj8Yg8qtlVXwG83zxlQWMXg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay, thanks to Beau Sievers for the link to the Logic Users site. I'll take it from here. And thanks everyone to your indulgence of my off-topic post. We now return you to your regular programming... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 17:05:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41452-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43705 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:06:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 43692 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:06:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Ufw91UAVM1lnkYb1szmTKd6SI6tJE5_0nsh4d0gFpg2M7ov.LH5WUARXGU__1j7e6HgG7S24P60aEerJZ4UpWbxDEWcVvZL7cCuQ.8rEI2oZP5qppHQ- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > > specialists in transcendence > > > production. > > > > Who authorizes these things? > > > > oh, dont tell him! Where can I apply for an art license? I authorize the use paragraphs every once and awhile. ;-) -adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:40:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41451-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83754 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 83741 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:11 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >Is a point of reference required in order to appreciate art? I often >mull this over. I do not think that it is but the context of said >piece does change when an informed point of reference is present. I >do think that ones perception changes when you have an informed point >of reference about any artwork. Does that make it more enjoyable? I >do not think so, even though that opinion contradicts my applied logic. No, you can enjoy art without a point of reference. But when do you ever actually do that? My experience has been that if I look at a work of art I know nothing about, it still triggers connections to things I've experienced --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:36:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41450-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79790 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:38:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 79770 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:38:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >i appreciate your comemnt but i am not quite >completely at ease with the projection concept, unless >you view it as a two-way street. about no work of art >being "raw emotional outburst" that confuses the >issues of projection even further. one can very well >create the conditions for spontaneous (what do we >actually mean by "raw") feeling in a work of music and by 'raw' I meat the emotion as you experience, which I don't beleive can be transposed into words or 'transmitted' in any way. It is internal and wordless, to say 'I'm angry' in an angry tone of voice is a byproduct of being angry, it is not the emotion of anger, it is an expression of anger mediated by language. >maybe, owing to the possibilities of improvising, >music is, among all the arts, uniquely capable of this >kind of projection. anyone who has ever heard some of >the great jazz players can tell you that there are >moments of this music where you know that this feeling >is of this moment and in a certain sense the emotion >is certainly raw even though there is a structure, a I'm unwilling to take the jazz musicians word for it that there is 'raw emotion' in their music. To me it seems to be a false assertion. I say the jazz musicians are acting out their emotions through jazz. They may be feeling a great enthusiasm for the music they're playing, but their music is a byproduct of that feeling which is mediated by the cultural form of jazz. >launchpad, so to speak. (drawing also has this >capacity as well!) i suppose you would say in response >that this is just a case where i have accepted my >projection as reality. and yet, what is the overall >goal of a work of music? i argue that it is to create >this plane where emotions and thoughts come together >in such a mingling of projections that we are inspired >and linked together in the experience. the great works While I don't think works of music have particualr goals I think your statement has merit. And I am not (or if I have...I will say that I don't, at the point of this line of text) denying that music can provoke emotion BUT I don't think 'emotion' is an inherent property to a work, emotion is something that may have been felt by the artist in production of the work, or a work may be coded to refer to certain emotions, or perceptions of emotion may be devined from the work. 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Wed Jan 31 15:35:10 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41449-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78006 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:36:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 77995 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:36:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:34:46 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Is a point of reference required in order to appreciate art? I often mull this over. I do not think that it is but the context of said piece does change when an informed point of reference is present. I do think that ones perception changes when you have an informed point of reference about any artwork. Does that make it more enjoyable? I do not think so, even though that opinion contradicts my applied logic. aLEKs On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Ian Reddy wrote: > > I think you should research heavily into Egyptian art before you > say it > was made for the purpose of being beautiful. It was not made to be > beautiful, and was largely made (as was most ancient art) for > ritual or > religious purposes. Personally I doubt the existance of 'universal > art' > (although I'm not sure what is meant by that) but if it's simply > art you > and your friend find to be beautiful without knowing about it then I'm > sure universal art abounds. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:21:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41448-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65899 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:22:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 65882 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:22:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Beauty is, I believe, a cultural or personal value. > >I was talking about whether art is universal with my other friend the >other day. There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently on in the >museum, and she was using it as proof of the existence of universal art: >it had been made for the purpose of being beautiful, and beautiful was >how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing about Egyptian culture >or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. I think you should research heavily into Egyptian art before you say it was made for the purpose of being beautiful. It was not made to be beautiful, and was largely made (as was most ancient art) for ritual or religious purposes. Personally I doubt the existance of 'universal art' (although I'm not sure what is meant by that) but if it's simply art you and your friend find to be beautiful without knowing about it then I'm sure universal art abounds. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 15:14:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41447-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58938 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:15:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 58928 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:15:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:14:25 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> Ian Reddy wrote: >> > Also certain sounds are >> > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such >> as the >> > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) > >Explain more about the cultural construction that connects low droning >sounds to a feeling either gloom or otherwise? Just consider the fact that ambient music which features low droning sounds is often referred to as 'dark ambient' when darkness is not an inherent property of the music. Darkness is, in turn, associated with negative feelings (as well as a number of other things in some fairly well known binaries, light/dark is analogous to good/evil, happy/sad, intelligence/ignorance etc.) So these connections form between things that aren't inherently connected, and they form through language and culture. And that's how sounds become connected to emotions I think. You are not obligated to invest into these connections, of course, and therefore it's reasonable that one wouldn't necessarily think of low drones as being connected to any emotions or anything in particular. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 14:53:54 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41446-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44799 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:55:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 44787 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:55:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QAgYyeI77TV1Zo/8f4QQfDwN+CKF3qr2nwt90uaICXR6uuZvOmZjmQFxafDwUFYaQSTqArb1A8Mt+fw8S2xrCnpDDOM46pWNJANvJwb3Gtq41EfIKqeEdagXR90Tv34KSJliE4E4wJ1NnxSyahK99Aw9V2U24p7E+b2hrxnbqCU=; X-YMail-OSG: 4AKUDYgVM1nS3jTiFGqdfDzEX5ud7HGMhPWaY.2YFh1gB8L7nil8ncphCwR0FgwFGIMCbkLiBQoPA74UblcMlQO.tsKM1zYGdlmrqPRb_u_1TfwxvHjXrKW2A.V8gtl.gZM_K1VCtbrP9g-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx in the case of the egyptians or fetishes we must think of beauty as not only a relation to surfaces but to the utility of the object. tomb art is designed to assist passage to another world or to keep the dead happy being dead and not have them bother us! in a curious twist of meanings, i began to rethink the realm of the dead as being capitalistic reality and all the beautiful objects which keep us placated here as being quite similar to these mummified cats and monkeys you see in and around sarcophagii (which means "corpse eaters"). our body in capitalism is made of time. we are consumers of time more than anything else. --jeff gburek --- Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > >There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently > on in > > the > > museum, and she was using it as proof of the > existence of universal > > art: > > it had been made for the purpose of being > beautiful, and beautiful > > was > > how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing > about Egyptian > > culture > > or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. > > Hmm.... fetishes have been around since the dawn of > mankind... the > simple fact that someone obviously spent a great of > time and effort > inspires curiousity, awe and an appreciation of the > skill and labour > involved... I beleive this can exist otuside of any > cultural > boundaries. > > I don't agree that those items were made simply to > be beautiful > either.. unless in this case you consider a tomb to > be the same as a > gallery. > > -Adrian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 14:23:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41445-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24235 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:24:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 24190 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:24:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:22:53 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3aHHxPn1fPydzouIRt6Qtgw5XNRQeGi2qzaznElIcEjiNqqdxKdtgwSkgZJ8XA1ayhSY2utmd3cErmSJDg2ApKiZSGkpFaBQqnbwFSyjsvmG0T6d1bNVnQ2u2Gxrv8cJWztLBm42XCN+1aXVMj7yY65aWwOifTLGBv+8NG9BcBU=; X-YMail-OSG: 93Er0iUVM1kG9DSSZz47BYEoXjIpvZxOjkHClOSS5u4v6w6ZPiNFpW9kxt_VHHpvSkwhsDEimebo06ude2dQcLbnsKlzItTbO3rgVDp6GMP2NHvK49B35pJCq8H_xwLI4TY.3XiZuHtKo44CZ.arAF69 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > Also certain sounds are > > culturally constructed as being connected to > certain emotions (such as the > > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of > gloom) > > I find low droning sounds connected to feelings of > calm, solidarity, > stability, and a resting place, especially when > they're accompanied by a > bit of white noise, for example in large-scale > air-conditioning systems. > (Air-con can make beautiful, beautiful noises). It's > only when they're > dissonant that they're gloomy. this is also mind-blowing. i am often dealing with this very discrepnancy over what drones "signify" for people...a friend recently did a compare contrast doing extreme nosie drones and placing tracks of acoustic tamboura drones and harmonium next to them. the volume level is often the only thing that makes for the tension we might associate with the dissonant drone as opposed to the harmonized one. but arent all drones in a sense harmonized? even if the intervals are not standard pitch intervals it is their constant relation to one another that gives it the quality of drone? -jg > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. 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Wed Jan 31 14:13:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41444-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17755 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:14:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 17745 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:14:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:13:35 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ohh9uvrTg/Yn7pbfSAqKYalLxeUdCvmW/6Nujx9cpXgRT0ENj6THPnwtd6h0iLXUgo0Pwcb4hHnsljcJJoD381PxVECDugDmh5QXyCQgTSgCeGtaPX7B0uzLEpY2gGnHgqRfFWBTqYHrn/iSvf5nTn90NbXd6OyFytgczLJ1br0=; X-YMail-OSG: lASWBWAVM1nK.1EsWc.Hlbtn8XbRXiSrpRVhXJSKeO6Z6BvvUgsI16IXTq_UIljVhiRoAKl8PkCj6425UNx5_7fyOGAPpiGLIL7hUdSosLGj3DX96zIq2bdR5vz5aFaEPPukSbE8ElUH9RwIRj6KELJF X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes, i find sense of wonder related to beauty...but beauty has been destroyed, related to the deceptive, the bearer of illusions...so that we can only invoke beauty if we are going to deal with something that is almost its opposite --jg --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > David Powers wrote: > > > Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You > can encode a set of > > gestures into a piece of music, that (given a > culturally homogenous > > group with known conditioning) has a high > probability of provoking an > > emotional response. However, if you played the > music for someone who > > lacked the relevant cultural context and > conditioning, there would be > > no emotional response. > > Does this mean there is no such thing as universal > art? > > ... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I > believe it is, but I was > having an interesting discussion with my flatmate > the other morning > where she was saying that she didn't think that it > was. > > I wonder if that means that in order to describe > microsound as > 'emotional' one has to broaden one's idea about what > an emotion is. > Defenders of scifi writing are sometimes in the same > boat, finding > themselves having to argue that sense-of-wonder is > an emotion, just to > counter claims that scifi is unemotional. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. 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Wed Jan 31 14:10:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41443-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14905 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:11:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 14894 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:11:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pK819s4HWu/0DjsEXyZrhyAzVJkJiQVJe6x0ilZxTwBjzZ7M/sg7T4Nht8jsyQQ4tFm6e2d0r04pFvuqmWC448kUMYbfgzrfEWtOS9ATZaNNkqjelkxemqMt7R7yq958aYlSWjjO25TiMhS40PzBf1sQyvR480BZSHRDaxtuNww=; X-YMail-OSG: hRta8wgVM1mdAS_y0WyY5og68a.CwrVV60M7vI4d5NbGK6.1ApeWMm6ZW_q9s5x1VcetimIfdGMLHsDJc66KtfBSfkvNeyT0osSxsVKwx0km.1TWW5qS3ftstwhTTiN12h2y4UajCR0qJr7zEFaLzwJn X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx the problem of transcendance is always what you do afterwards! my experience of this kind of social activity was before techno and raves. and it was on the burning shores of california where it was happening. i think not instutions but the overall cultural vibe is what gives rise to these possibilities. what existed in the eighties in the bay area is quite different than what we see now. more parallel is the berlin i live in now where the war destruction, partition of the city and the slow economic development has left these strange unused architectural spaces and people disenchanted with the mainstream can make some of their dreams come true there. but we are at the tailend of it i think. there are always discussions about noise complaints here now. the need to sleep is big problem. (that also is a form of transcendance!). i think the strangest experience of transcendance i had recently in berlin was when a theater group did a piece on prohibition and then had 20's era party with a dj spinning only 78's. it was certainly problemmatic for the american (me) to see these whities dancing around to big band music when i am aware of the politics of black and white in that era. but nevertheless, they managed to run the thing for two whole months twice a week and it was packed always until the wee hours, i myself being under the spell and often not leaving until 5:30 am. i am curious why, because many of them where people in their twenties (so it is a numeric thing,hmmm). it was really a place out of time (and yet in time fixed, by its vestigial cultural trappings). it is in such a sphere that one encounters the ghosts of our cultures. the symbol of the american big band and its reception by the germans in the era of the nazis. the music of our genetic forebears. when death was probable and life needed to be now? best, jeff gburek --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Stephen Hastings-King wrote: > > > the business of > > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized > specialists in transcendence > > production. there are special buildings around > where you can go to look at > > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > specialists in transcendence > > production. > > I'm currently undergoing an intense period of > research into techno music > (of the Detroit/New York/Chicago variety) and these > sentences resonate > strongly with the construction of the techno gig and > the role of the DJ > therein. I'm also helping organise a techno party > which happens in two > weeks and we find ourselves having discussions about > how to bring about > this production of transcendance through the > production of the party. > > Interesting... > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 13:45:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41442-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98468 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:46:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 98448 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:46:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GAvdp9gYRxl6EA9RliJaXH3PSIuesBAkEx4lHVak7XKGWY2bhM62P2kjqZDlw6pcug8L/r8FZNipgfvliWvs76M++UWxSPmdbadNG9SNBza/oA5+QtcZYplwSL+XDNWdZ1vSPnvRpxNGVoYGN4oKqkS1caj26RVqjQlytKTTcRU=; X-YMail-OSG: ztbvl.0VM1nVeAifNwK7C9EGkBB3fOUwFleDMUm_TnE2x63QTmMyoigtmHgrwbzHfUnw3nTYUCdaJw0T.BA_Eoo9EC_bq0f6C4Xr2hgj4dteJ5DH8i0HPMc.dmFQOao04euBOLidGbXJ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > specialists in transcendence > > production. > > Who authorizes these things? > oh, dont tell him! j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. 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Wed Jan 31 13:44:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41441-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97111 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:45:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 97099 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:45:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zrQRbRCwfhY2BvfbQLtyL1r1vdRRvtTNjvsdQC6LUztyW7q1Vcmo1IOfXwZnUshgp/w6qAB40PNokCgxsj0G2I9DXGchctmkQT6TVN45cicRI5iOgHnAPgIN5g50MgHR4vbqGzqj819o3iILWS8TTRGiRn86UB8wKHVojttAJFA=; X-YMail-OSG: pDNbplAVM1k38Na5fGrjWk4exS.gpBGz4R5rRYsZcj.J0u6HYOA8GNKhbJd0k5dqJdT14yi3aN2JDtfp6NuQWajavJ7WkQUvxnrh092wgXS9SguGqf9P9CkPzPvsLUgQiIKZcG90omXwqsUUhrYvoOiQ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx david, of course there is no way to "insert" emotions into the body of the audience members. but, to take it from the pint of view of theater, the evolution of radical theater is partcularly useful to think about in this context. particukarly polish theater, developing a certain kind of guardedness concerning the role of language or direct statement and putting the responsibilty of the actors to become vessels for a feeling or a form of thought that, owing to repressive condtions, had to go partly unspoken. i still have the feeling that this is quite essential to creating certain kinds of work, although not every work of art needs to adopt such principles. in a certain way, as when pasolini spoke about each film "reinventing" cinema, works have need to find a plateau wherein they particpate in something actually more archaic, to bring the origin forward so to speak. there are degress to which i feel personally disinterested in those kinds of theater that have tried to "simulate" the so-called "dromenon" of the greeks. and greek avant-garde music is filled with this tendency too which, by and large, i find myself before an off-putting kind of massive block that is saying "HERE IS THIS EMOTION FEEL IT OR DIE". i think of christou's work as being peculiarly free of this overblown sentiment and when you hear the cacophony he creates i get a sense of propulsion into emotional territories that ask large questions. in a culture of overkill, more sensitive people can find a feeling in understatement. but the emotion particular to microsound i find to be quite another story. there is an emotional range that is interesting but, as has been pointed out, if there are no words, it is more likely that one experiences maybe a freedom from emotions, a sense of clearing and possibility. we need this feeling of course. but it is not the only thing that needs expressing. --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> > wrote: > > I think that in art, emotion is something either > projected > > onto the work or it is something acted out by the > performer. > > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - > that's impossible > > as art and music are obviously mediated through > the intellect > > and already existing cultural forms. > > Yes, I was hoping someone would point this out, > thank you! > > As I have insisted in the past, I must once again > point out how > flawed I think the model of communication is, that > implies that a > creator is able to directly insert an emotion into a > piece. This is > impossible - emotion is a chemical response in the > individual to > various stimuli. The work of art is not a container. > If an actor in a > play is angry onstage, and starts screaming, it > doesn't make me angry. > > Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You can > encode a set of > gestures into a piece of music, that (given a > culturally homogenous > group with known conditioning) has a high > probability of provoking an > emotional response. However, if you played the music > for someone who > lacked the relevant cultural context and > conditioning, there would be > no emotional response. > > Note that attempting to specifically provoke > emotional responses is an > aesthetic choice on the part of the creator. > Alternately, creator can > design artistic pieces using very minimal grammars > and avoiding > linguistic elements that provoke obvious responses. > Such artwork may > appear more cerebral to the average observer - > though there is still > the possibility that by virtue of its construction > and the particular > mindset and manner of observation, the artwork will > nevertheless > provoke an emotional response. > > Finally, words are intimately connected with power > and control. The > level of conditioned response to language is high, > so it's likely that > lyric-based music does have a higher probability of > provoking an > emotional response in observers that can interpret > the linguistic > statements correctly (ie. you must know the language > being used). > > ~David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 13:08:50 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41440-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78179 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:09:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 78168 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:09:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:08:34 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ctCgNcL8ah6fKiJ07tRI+1nZP3S6D3ScjrUmvW+v7ocWseOR9rgNTGnFFu0NYKUp14pmo/KmsDHNvngzYdws+Rx4FiQk/FIJ0kLPyNJwZdzxAPloZ0DHtoqmijT4BNlyh8RYXhiEk3RwEpz3STEx6aLX/WHpMJ5AugbrF+kmVkE=; X-YMail-OSG: mD4.BDwVM1kSoTMgqNAK0UkIcVVrGwwIuO4kkeYT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx stephen, your thinking is, as usual, very dense and quite interesting to me. and i know you have given time to the questions of improvisation, so if you can indulge a sense of immediacy, can i not also say that we indulge the structures of society with a similar shrug of suspicion? one of the reasons i have chosen to work outside the frameworks of institutions is of course to address them with the important reference to something they have displaced themselves upon. this is done perhaps with a sense of naivety that i find implicit in the structures themselves. as i have been working on themes of medieval mystics, i am reading a book, in italian, but i believe it is written in english, called la santa anoressia, by a man named bell. in this context, the religious experience is recast, in the analysis of interpreting the psychology of the eating habits of some of these woman saints, as a struggle for personal autonomy. here i see perfect accordance with your theories of the dependancy of the existing social and political context driving a kind of behaviour pattern towards a personal compromise with the repressive powers that allows one a freedom to influence the world. the case of catherine of siena as best example. but the plane on which these things were done is very different from our own. in her case she developed her behaviours with the support of institutionalized mystical experience which, owing to the perceptions of heresy, were nevertheless very dangerous. but perhaps the sense of danger is the one that is most important to refer to in terms of the institutions. for what a great work is going to achieve is going to be pushing the way we think to extremes that must seem dangerous. (think in the modern context of berg's wozzeck and the fragmets of buechner they are based upon, listen to what this work says about the world, poverty etc.) the danger is that we create something that is incoherent and it will not be recieved by society. the despair that accompanies it is that one has not "done anything". whereas, there is another level of personal reception where one can feel the work transmits what is neccessary through those few people who are capable of recieving it. most artists will work only in this way the whole of their lives. you will probably never hear my music. but my music has had an effect on people. there are too many people and in the end too many structures in the world for an artist to be bound by and in the end one has to deal with only those that prevent the work from going on. often i have the feeling of a big truth: the institutions are not aware of the reality of obscurity. this obsucrity and anonymity are the primary conditions of humanity. a great work must take them into consideration. best, jeff gburek --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > projections involve responses shaped by > (social-historical) rule sets (or > institutions). > these rules range from genre outward to quite broad > social matters. > any response to any cultural object involves rules. > questions concerning the origin, nature, > institutional enframedness, > legitimacy and binding nature of these rules are all > political. > so it follows that the most useful ways to stage > these questions may well be > found in political philosophy--or in philosophy more > generally---and not in > discussions too narrowly focused on directly musical > questions--or on > aesthetic philosophy. aesthetics is a subset of > larger-scale normative > frameworks. it is not a free-floating area of > thought. aesthetic > philosophy is among the densest type of ideological > thinking: existing > social norms are most thoroughly in force around > definitions of that which > transcends them. transcendence needs to be > controlled, quarantined, placed > socially and politically in authorized spaces. the > business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized > specialists in transcendence > production. there are special buildings around > where you can go to look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized > specialists in transcendence > production. while you are visiting, you can have a > Moment during which you > loose yourself. this sense of loss of oneself is > not one of freedom from > instituted social norms: it is a total projection > through those norms: you > presuppose them in the act of forgetting about them. > > while i think that the only coherent relation to the > marxist tradition at > this point has to be predicated on closure (in the > decon/heidegger/nietzsche > sense, in the "closure of western metaphysics" > sense)--anything that enables > folk to relativize their social position and by > extension to relativise > their responses is a good thing. because it is only > in relativizing your > responses that you can start to see the structures > that shape those > responses. these structures are indices of what > binds you to what exists, > of the extent to which you reproduce it, the extent > to which you are it. > it is good, i think, to be suspicous of immediacy. > it is also good not to > loose the ability to indulge immediacy. but it is > good to be suspicious of > it. > > stephen > > On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> > wrote: > > > > >one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they > hit > > >you, when you are alone, for example, this > perosnal > > >experience, when you hear something cool, that > you > > >dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it > creates > > >this separation from alienation, this curiously > > >numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone > else > > >says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you > hear the > > >really great first album, or someone say its crap > and > > >you no longer feel intimate with it even if you > dont > > >care what someone else thinks. what the blogger > guy > > >says makes sense in terms of emotional range > only. is > > >all digital music in a sense governed by an irony > > >(related to a high level of self-consciousness) > that > > >doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni > mitchell > > >might sing about? does the full range of human > emotion > > >demand words or demand the discarding of words? > > >anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, > your > > >wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. > > > > I think that in art, emotion is something either > projected > > onto the work or it is something acted out by the > performer. > > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - > that's impossible > > as art and music are obviously mediated through > the intellect > > and already existing cultural forms. I suggest > that Joni Mitchel is > > performing her emotions through song. Also > certain sounds are > > culturally constructed as being connected to > certain emotions (such as the > > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of > gloom) and the artist > > often exploits these connections or we simply > project them onto a > > work. So....in brief I do think that art can > provoke an emotional > > response BUT I also think the emotion we > experience is drastically > > different from the emotion we speak of as being > present in art, and > > probably not the same thing at all. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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Wed Jan 31 07:27:11 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41438-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33028 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:28:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 33015 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:28:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:27:22 +0000 From: Peter Plessas <xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] OT: dongle question In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Scanner: SpamAssassin 3.001007 X-Spam-Score-relay: -2.6 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 129.27.10.19 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hi Milan, Milan Davidovic wrote: > So, it's like this: I've come into possession of an old version of > Logic. The disc is for Mac and Windows, but the dongle is only for > Mac. I've got an old Windows machine. > > I'm thinking "ADB to RS-232 adapter", but my initial Google searches > suggest that such a thing may not exist. > > Options? sell it on ebay... sorry, Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 08:08:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41439-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50683 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:09:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 50670 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:09:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:12:04 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200702c1e5f845bd2b@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Stephen Hastings-King wrote (albeit snipped a bit): >digits just turn. stuff happens. it falls into a void. A pure, elegant piece of philosophy, free of all pretension and intellectual wanking - quite possibly all the philosophy anyone ever needs to know. R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 02:48:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41437-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24487 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:49:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 24476 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:49:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:48:27 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] OT: dongle question To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Yvg4ppYbhDwZpkhgwd0tFGPIzV0vr3ee6IQlUC3qiRn5iGbUPVWyPktGUBTghd4ruf3LJzMVr4HTVbcnkfBwIV34xi0jO27uUPvrD1nIwMIh2EtpIwFMu64YSc7nRQ5Hs1Krie0ze8Upq0UBATNt2y2BY+FJl2Xh+WlKBgk090s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx First, apologies for the OT question -- I'm not subscribed to anything else where i could ask this. Second, this might make you laugh; go ahead, I can take it. So, it's like this: I've come into possession of an old version of Logic. The disc is for Mac and Windows, but the dongle is only for Mac. I've got an old Windows machine. I'm thinking "ADB to RS-232 adapter", but my initial Google searches suggest that such a thing may not exist. Options? Many thanks... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 31 00:43:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41436-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72445 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:44:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 72431 invoked from network); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:44:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:43:38 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cjSlk67nc3EQSlreztweDA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NHmn8jloyMX2Eho9FyHm62k7zD7KwabM2QRnyhw0VhXAGd96QYsJ15wWm8BUm7piKqHyTQFsyl00dzx8sHDbJdViPh/pMKq+T1R4BYRcDs3h2lZ3xrWfiWL/3QQ/UP3X7yLWTP9t7wS7pM0H5V07IRkWjPUky/FYTkgmGMtAYwU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_cjSlk67nc3EQSlreztweDA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adrian: i dont see any particular limits to what is discussed that can be drawn using microsound as a placeholder. i just dont. so far as i am concerned at any rate, microsound--whatever that means, really--is like any other type of cultural work, operating in the same context, subject to the same contradictions and problems as any other. the public/private question refers most directly to an ongoing debate in 3-d land: it has to do with whether one should or must bring one's work out, and whether there are claims about that work that follow from bringing it out--like whether it is art, whether the producer is an artist, that kind of thing. i am not sure that this is of any interest to anyone so i'll leave it at that for now. "the great conversation" is an academic cliche. it refers to the intertextual networks one can work out and play with amongst the text-traces left by the sequence of legitimate Figures who constitute a tradition. folk act as though these Figures are Legitimate because of the quality of their work, which implies that cultural markets are rational. of course, they aren't and the story behind the legitimation of any particular figure has as much or more to do with the mass of commentary that builds up around them, and with the relations of cultural power that play out across commentary. the internet doesnt really resolve problems of bringing your work out. you can post it, people can download it, sure: but it is a funny kind of public, isn't it? in no particular place....just a bunch of atoms, it seems. when the collective i am part of is active, we publicize new stuff and get a couple thousand hits a month. we are not entirely sure what any of them mean, and we have no idea who these folk are or where they are or even if they are. digits just turn. stuff happens. it falls into a void. there is no press-like apparatus that classifies/sorts online releases, so there is no structuring of a wide public for this kind of music (whatever that may be)...and the sad fact of the matter is that it is the classification/sorting that is the fundamental act of cultural construction in the context through which we move. people seem to want what they are told they want. of course, there are folk who operate off that radar and trawl about for music that others dont know about, which is fine--but that is still an act with sociological correlates. around this point, i generally make some reference to bourdieu. when i do it, i usually feel like "fuck, what an academic geek i have become." (as i do right now. this works every time.) abstraction. well, the cynic in me reverts to bourdieu again, who argues that the tolerance for abstraction in art is a class thing, linked to a desire to demonstrate one's distance from necessity which increases as you move up the class gradient. but that is general. i dont know what you mean by abstraction. i refers to many things, many types of operations. soundwise, i have found that folk refer to types of organization that they are not familiar with as abstract--it is a kind of default category that lets them say something other than "what the fuck was that?" or "i didnt get it" or---more to the point--"i didnt like it, whatever it was."--which is fine, but it doesnt tell me much. so what do you mean by it? stephen --Boundary_(ID_cjSlk67nc3EQSlreztweDA)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:58:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41435-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51405 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:59:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 51395 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:59:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Pkkpir4VM1nmMXzJWi4dqzKu1qfub.AFctB1GRLELZiwzWrQMl7GYZwl95UOmaqgqXO1OSkWu6LfdZ8Lx5_ezLW7Sp6WVEqGYeTczHXoqykDygQGinM- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: >There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently on in > the > museum, and she was using it as proof of the existence of universal > art: > it had been made for the purpose of being beautiful, and beautiful > was > how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing about Egyptian > culture > or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. Hmm.... fetishes have been around since the dawn of mankind... the simple fact that someone obviously spent a great of time and effort inspires curiousity, awe and an appreciation of the skill and labour involved... I beleive this can exist otuside of any cultural boundaries. I don't agree that those items were made simply to be beautiful either.. unless in this case you consider a tomb to be the same as a gallery. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:49:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41434-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45255 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:50:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 45244 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:50:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:49:11 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > Beauty is, I believe, a cultural or personal value. I was talking about whether art is universal with my other friend the other day. There's an exhibition of Egyptian relics currently on in the museum, and she was using it as proof of the existence of universal art: it had been made for the purpose of being beautiful, and beautiful was how she found it, despite knowing almost nothing about Egyptian culture or what the Egyptian way of life would have been. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:41:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41433-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39720 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:42:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 39706 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:42:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: TNWWpiUVM1nZyW4NynAbwQb3n6MFA9aJMs0icWg7TOHDhcDdNyCdPhM0OhsshpPLMwdJPQCO8HqocsyGOicLLRpoyNf0pl3_mF8SI7FO4ShzLXD0iBU- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > afternoon better mood let's see. > which buildings? > why any number of those official respositories for the material you > can > collage together to form the "Great Conversation" within a particular > genre--museyrooms galleries--clubs concert halls--all the spaces > about which > i cant help but be ambivalent--on the one hand, it's good to be able > to see > and listen to stuff--on the other, the sense of quarantine, of > separation: > from the processes that go into making things, from the aspects of > social > life from which they come, about which they speak (one way or > another) > toward which they are addressed. the Reification Biz. Okay well in regards to my experiencing microsound.. it's almost entirely at home via the internet wether downloaded or purchased online.. "Great Conversation"? > who authorizes? > well at one level anyone who makes stuff authorizes themselves to > engage a > medium, the genres that operate, the traditions that structure each > genre. > but anyone who makes stuff also knows that this self-authorization, > while > necessary, only goes so far if you want to make your work public. to > what > end make your work public? any number of reasons. but if you do > want to > make your work public, it becomes quickly obvious that there are any > number > of intermediaries who occupy positions of cultural power by > generating > classifications, who construct producers by situating them through > classification, who stream outputs toward or away from their > audience. > record labels, critics, radio folk, academics...and on the other > side, those > who control access to the special buildings within which the > Authorized > Objects of the moment are displayed/encountered. > within aesthetic theory, in the end, it is the theorist who > authorizes. > this authorization is not neutral: it generally relies one way or > another on > the accepted canon of Legitimate Producers which happens to be in > force at a > given period. > this seems to me neither good nor bad in itself: just the way of > things. > if you want your work to become public that is. > if you dont, for whatever reason, then none of this applies directly. > but if your work is not public, then what is it? > i dont know the answer to that. i suspect there are many. The internet. It used to be that if you wanted to make your work public is was alot harder to do but now you can easily make yur work public tot he entire world very cheaply with little effort. Wether public or private is there any issues to do with any of this that is specific to "microsound"? > i dont really know what being a marxist means at this point. Neither do I. > variation: > emotional responses to cultural objects is not unstructured. you > dont get > around political questions by referring to immediacy. immediacy is a > kind > of forgetting of these problems. that is why i said what i did about > relativizing your responses. there are always rules that shape your > reactions to what you encounter: there is no space outside. so the > important issue, it seems to me anyway, is your relation to them. I think I can agree to all of that but when you say cultural objects I don't know how well that fits into abstraction or microsound. In regards to visual arts and especially in the realm of computer graphics I have encountered alot of resistance to abstraction. Perhaps that is because there may no or very little cultural reference or recognizable objects. I see the same issue being for music that does not beats or lyrics or traditonal scales and tones. Like the computer geek generation might like granular synthesis because it reminds them of the sound of a modem while grandpa can't stand anything but Lawrence Welk. Which political questions did you have in mind? -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:15:05 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41432-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25349 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:16:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 25337 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:16:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:14:38 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-A8D32ADCB0B711DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian Stewart wrote on 1/30/07 at 5:51 PM >.... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? Google "aesthetic emotion" whydontcha... <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:13:32 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41431-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23515 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:14:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 23504 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:14:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:13:17 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MeTQhoSpBeLRrfaW9k8FHvSiu1VknoO4x0ebyDFpY0L3n4SMe4AlaLvSfbsvCpnN1Qyk5dgnZ20MV+ao+3lGUnIC7/EeSmYNH6TGhBiCIbdN1PW6zBoWtkmJMEfEU4HMvgQRQ/hY+Wtru0UpfXY3UqYCgS0KY8ROtObBWjncP0w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/30/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Does this mean there is no such thing as universal art? > > ... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I believe it is, but I was > having an interesting discussion with my flatmate the other morning > where she was saying that she didn't think that it was. One possible answer is that there could be universal art, but ONLY under the condition that one attempts to work with a "context free" type of grammar, and remove all emotional and cultural content. In fact, this is precisely what the Constructivist tradition in European art attempted to do (which also has a strong connection with elements of the socialist tradition, fyi...). Beauty is, I believe, a cultural or personal value. To declare something beautiful, for me implies more of an intellectual judgement than an emotional response. This is so, because emotional responses depend on too many external factors to be available consistently, but the aesthetic judgements may remain consistent despite fluctuating emotions. To illustrate my point: I believe that most trees are beautiful, however, I don't feel an emotional response every time I look at trees. Many days I'm too busy and stressed out to appreciate them, and to observe them in an aesthetic manner. ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:11:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41430-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22044 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:12:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 22026 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:12:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:11:15 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UuA/5imn1TF+uPz5B9wLdQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IEFiZj8idsQNb2QKgdE+VqOKQJlGGcaLK8lEBOWaMO4640ueKUz2obhgRqdrR1cL99jCfT8UCjgXgGEEi8ZL21Asn9FVcDg0iFn4E65gHC7TDKMAaPWmuhl1tNRlyh3ydNKgHsv7XV6jungyT3HvgapixPNPyBX6tYPZiPUwn4M= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UuA/5imn1TF+uPz5B9wLdQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afternoon better mood let's see. which buildings? why any number of those official respositories for the material you can collage together to form the "Great Conversation" within a particular genre--museyrooms galleries--clubs concert halls--all the spaces about which i cant help but be ambivalent--on the one hand, it's good to be able to see and listen to stuff--on the other, the sense of quarantine, of separation: from the processes that go into making things, from the aspects of social life from which they come, about which they speak (one way or another) toward which they are addressed. the Reification Biz. who authorizes? well at one level anyone who makes stuff authorizes themselves to engage a medium, the genres that operate, the traditions that structure each genre. but anyone who makes stuff also knows that this self-authorization, while necessary, only goes so far if you want to make your work public. to what end make your work public? any number of reasons. but if you do want to make your work public, it becomes quickly obvious that there are any number of intermediaries who occupy positions of cultural power by generating classifications, who construct producers by situating them through classification, who stream outputs toward or away from their audience. record labels, critics, radio folk, academics...and on the other side, those who control access to the special buildings within which the Authorized Objects of the moment are displayed/encountered. within aesthetic theory, in the end, it is the theorist who authorizes. this authorization is not neutral: it generally relies one way or another on the accepted canon of Legitimate Producers which happens to be in force at a given period. this seems to me neither good nor bad in itself: just the way of things. if you want your work to become public that is. if you dont, for whatever reason, then none of this applies directly. but if your work is not public, then what is it? i dont know the answer to that. i suspect there are many. answer questions? sure. if i can. you dont need to be a marxist to use marxian styles of analysis: agreed. i dont really know what being a marxist means at this point. but i do find alot about the modes of analysis within the marxist tradition to be useful, powerful even. but you have to be critical about them too. it is not, and never was, a space outside the capitalist order that it opposed. variation: emotional responses to cultural objects is not unstructured. you dont get around political questions by referring to immediacy. immediacy is a kind of forgetting of these problems. that is why i said what i did about relativizing your responses. there are always rules that shape your reactions to what you encounter: there is no space outside. so the important issue, it seems to me anyway, is your relation to them. stephen --Boundary_(ID_UuA/5imn1TF+uPz5B9wLdQ)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:06:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41429-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18851 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:07:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 18832 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:07:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:06:33 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: xGIhul8VM1lMlKyOieHEPv.Q.hE4uENDkfFAFICmPIGGuZnxS2X9RKVsAQUS0vQ5or04ROnBRzPzm8fZj53_zTyZM_FFXkxQJ9bj4VQNWyb1Ti_tpuU- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Ian Reddy wrote: > > Also certain sounds are > > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such > as the > > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) Explain more about the cultural construction that connects low droning sounds to a feeling either gloom or otherwise? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 23:00:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41428-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15786 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:01:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 15776 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:01:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 03wCI2QVM1ntkgcMHhqewI5ZFEpp5k3PUJQKwcNRWCT2KWx9kUhQORyKaQkHvfCWWw-- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Does this mean there is no such thing as universal art? > > ... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I believe it is, but I > was > having an interesting discussion with my flatmate the other morning > where she was saying that she didn't think that it was. I beleive there might be universal art.. at least amongst us humans on earth but these also revolve around lowest common denominators. But breasts for example may only have acheived that status because of them being stuck in our faces during infancy. Desire is an emotion which seems to me to be the foundation of ideals formed from such common denominators. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 22:54:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41427-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12068 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:55:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 12057 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:55:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:54:17 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Ian Reddy wrote: > I think that in art, emotion is something either projected > onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. Is the experience of beauty an emotion? > Also certain sounds are > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such as the > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) I find low droning sounds connected to feelings of calm, solidarity, stability, and a resting place, especially when they're accompanied by a bit of white noise, for example in large-scale air-conditioning systems. (Air-con can make beautiful, beautiful noises). It's only when they're dissonant that they're gloomy... -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 22:51:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41426-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10187 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:52:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 10173 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:52:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:51:20 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx David Powers wrote: > Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You can encode a set of > gestures into a piece of music, that (given a culturally homogenous > group with known conditioning) has a high probability of provoking an > emotional response. However, if you played the music for someone who > lacked the relevant cultural context and conditioning, there would be > no emotional response. Does this mean there is no such thing as universal art? .... Is the experience of beauty an emotion? I believe it is, but I was having an interesting discussion with my flatmate the other morning where she was saying that she didn't think that it was. I wonder if that means that in order to describe microsound as 'emotional' one has to broaden one's idea about what an emotion is. Defenders of scifi writing are sometimes in the same boat, finding themselves having to argue that sense-of-wonder is an emotion, just to counter claims that scifi is unemotional. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 22:20:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41425-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94210 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:21:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 94191 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:21:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:19:41 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Stephen Hastings-King wrote: > the business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. there are special buildings around where you can go to look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. I'm currently undergoing an intense period of research into techno music (of the Detroit/New York/Chicago variety) and these sentences resonate strongly with the construction of the techno gig and the role of the DJ therein. I'm also helping organise a techno party which happens in two weeks and we find ourselves having discussions about how to bring about this production of transcendance through the production of the party. Interesting... -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 20:48:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41424-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44635 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:49:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 44614 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:49:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:48:00 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: wcI3GwQVM1kTfAB22fIezm8Wd_QFLQFKkNTB5MrEIkMRQruGq338KxRUagls9yYg7V13uGEzVexZJgz44vbcjw5zYm5DWEO4OgaTBbT4FBNm58ZkcIo- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Who authorizes these things? For realz... > What about the use of marxian dialectics to analyze a system or > structure? You need not be a marxist to use Marx. I'd rather not but as long as the person using it is willing to answer questions then why not. -adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 19:02:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41423-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78005 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:03:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 77994 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:03:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:02:25 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RrZSYha0DiURKBmDhW6tTawf/QfCENQ5ERukRNSJ+g6NmwowKARZYtjzbbaac+9YmcvoI0PJea7wJkciqxD/N5RCQodXJa0vW25kMrMH1NmRqbG6y+Ge9EPVxTex7gACs/NUK5S/8Du73sDMJCcnXxUasfMdf9ufxgTHnArBkQk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/30/07, Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > transcendence needs to be controlled, quarantined, placed > socially and politically in authorized spaces. the business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. there are special buildings around where you can go to look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in transcendence > production. Who authorizes these things? > while i think that the only coherent relation to the marxist tradition at > this point has to be predicated on closure (in the decon/heidegger/nietzsche > sense, in the "closure of western metaphysics" sense)--anything that enables > folk to relativize their social position and by extension to relativise > their responses is a good thing. What about the use of marxian dialectics to analyze a system or structure? You need not be a marxist to use Marx. ~Kyle -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 18:56:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41422-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73176 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:57:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 73165 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:57:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:56:30 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ehlRD1DlR9jnKMp8fERhsh9C5THhq8u5sxOPPiLDGF9ooWS7ui2sRHXOaU62T5nJJ+72GMhCtbDiCByY9iClP/VUpqZ5zhu3QVeV7U/MVvHtmIGJQp1wa4srzPvU6VVmpRj2SClCgCLbMKwclPVOCuz94ZoafiTUHEEjySwO2IM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > I think that in art, emotion is something either projected > onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - that's impossible > as art and music are obviously mediated through the intellect > and already existing cultural forms. Yes, I was hoping someone would point this out, thank you! As I have insisted in the past, I must once again point out how flawed I think the model of communication is, that implies that a creator is able to directly insert an emotion into a piece. This is impossible - emotion is a chemical response in the individual to various stimuli. The work of art is not a container. If an actor in a play is angry onstage, and starts screaming, it doesn't make me angry. Emotion only exists in terms of probability. You can encode a set of gestures into a piece of music, that (given a culturally homogenous group with known conditioning) has a high probability of provoking an emotional response. However, if you played the music for someone who lacked the relevant cultural context and conditioning, there would be no emotional response. Note that attempting to specifically provoke emotional responses is an aesthetic choice on the part of the creator. Alternately, creator can design artistic pieces using very minimal grammars and avoiding linguistic elements that provoke obvious responses. Such artwork may appear more cerebral to the average observer - though there is still the possibility that by virtue of its construction and the particular mindset and manner of observation, the artwork will nevertheless provoke an emotional response. Finally, words are intimately connected with power and control. The level of conditioned response to language is high, so it's likely that lyric-based music does have a higher probability of provoking an emotional response in observers that can interpret the linguistic statements correctly (ie. you must know the language being used). ~David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 18:44:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41421-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65933 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:45:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 65923 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:45:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: ybmklKYVM1nXAiPeaevyyxp7yZ2UOcOst3eaiKuU1sdal1TYXXYEIIZ7Zi3CsZeJu8Bg1xwVhTihaBVXqeCd5U1IJL.S2iaRP1Z24_jb66fkpvPDsso- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Are you describing movie theatres?? What? what? --- Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > social norms are most thoroughly in force around definitions of that > which > transcends them. transcendence needs to be controlled, quarantined, > placed > socially and politically in authorized spaces. the business of > transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in > transcendence > production. there are special buildings around where you can go to > look at > or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in > transcendence > production. while you are visiting, you can have a Moment during > which you > loose yourself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 17:02:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41420-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98393 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:03:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 98377 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:03:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:43 -0600 From: Stephen Hastings-King <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tG5rXMD0g+3fKnlUbyFK5g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XnaEg6umnmWRQpYsI7omdudwaOxd9efoE7mfGAQ8ZbA6EQpGh6z6FVH4u0m6QwDSxeO91s2PlSMXi9sYEpfw7VLZJmCjC09mR0QgNBkBmBlrrRyC6ILhsiztOvwAr0vttCRfj/SOGjHu+iaKQfS08oSaBVtmz5wx/kai1MfPpXM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_tG5rXMD0g+3fKnlUbyFK5g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit projections involve responses shaped by (social-historical) rule sets (or institutions). these rules range from genre outward to quite broad social matters. any response to any cultural object involves rules. questions concerning the origin, nature, institutional enframedness, legitimacy and binding nature of these rules are all political. so it follows that the most useful ways to stage these questions may well be found in political philosophy--or in philosophy more generally---and not in discussions too narrowly focused on directly musical questions--or on aesthetic philosophy. aesthetics is a subset of larger-scale normative frameworks. it is not a free-floating area of thought. aesthetic philosophy is among the densest type of ideological thinking: existing social norms are most thoroughly in force around definitions of that which transcends them. transcendence needs to be controlled, quarantined, placed socially and politically in authorized spaces. the business of transcendence is one undertaken by authorized specialists in transcendence production. there are special buildings around where you can go to look at or listen to outputs generated by authorized specialists in transcendence production. while you are visiting, you can have a Moment during which you loose yourself. this sense of loss of oneself is not one of freedom from instituted social norms: it is a total projection through those norms: you presuppose them in the act of forgetting about them. while i think that the only coherent relation to the marxist tradition at this point has to be predicated on closure (in the decon/heidegger/nietzsche sense, in the "closure of western metaphysics" sense)--anything that enables folk to relativize their social position and by extension to relativise their responses is a good thing. because it is only in relativizing your responses that you can start to see the structures that shape those responses. these structures are indices of what binds you to what exists, of the extent to which you reproduce it, the extent to which you are it. it is good, i think, to be suspicous of immediacy. it is also good not to loose the ability to indulge immediacy. but it is good to be suspicious of it. stephen On 1/30/07, Ian Reddy <xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > >one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they hit > >you, when you are alone, for example, this perosnal > >experience, when you hear something cool, that you > >dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it creates > >this separation from alienation, this curiously > >numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone else > >says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you hear the > >really great first album, or someone say its crap and > >you no longer feel intimate with it even if you dont > >care what someone else thinks. what the blogger guy > >says makes sense in terms of emotional range only. is > >all digital music in a sense governed by an irony > >(related to a high level of self-consciousness) that > >doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni mitchell > >might sing about? does the full range of human emotion > >demand words or demand the discarding of words? > >anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, your > >wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. > > I think that in art, emotion is something either projected > onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. > No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - that's impossible > as art and music are obviously mediated through the intellect > and already existing cultural forms. I suggest that Joni Mitchel is > performing her emotions through song. Also certain sounds are > culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such as the > connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) and the artist > often exploits these connections or we simply project them onto a > work. So....in brief I do think that art can provoke an emotional > response BUT I also think the emotion we experience is drastically > different from the emotion we speak of as being present in art, and > probably not the same thing at all. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_tG5rXMD0g+3fKnlUbyFK5g)-- From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 16:56:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41419-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93413 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:57:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 93388 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: x5khiFgVM1m.GdiMGv5qNUqbLkGoG4f9xX6zx0ulgCtAOqCBinYw.6TmXzbAxeUZ.F3f8yMKa3xoOV0cpo1gHwRmblpLDQoag64ZmJ_GnOCQsiF1378- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > http://netlabel.qunabu.com/ -> releases -> qnb001 NN - Bugs Are > Welcome -> > 07 transmiter 1 > > For me, this is an intensely emotional experience - it leaves me > short of > breath, as though something is grabbing my gut and squeezing, not > letting > me go. Hmm.. nice track.. I didn't have that experience but for me the closest I think I have felt to a similar sounding track is Nurse With Wound's Soliloquy For Lilith although that technically might not be considered microsound. But as a baseline this transmiter track is somber. I would expect most people to get that from it.. and is perhaps a tonality that reminds me of other microsound artists like Oval. > I'm saying that the kind of emotion I get from microsound music is of > a > quite different character to the kind I get from say Ani DiFranco, or > the > kind of passionate gypsy music that always forms the centrepiece in > Tony > Gatlif's films - especially the theme music to Vengo. > It's not even that microsound is more cerebral, because microsound > can hit > my gut (I feel emotions in my gut) just as hard if I'm in the right > mood. I can get the hairs raised as an a occasional response.. Doesn't seem like much microsound music has lyrical content so that'd be a big difference from most pop music. I'd have to say that drones of the type above feel like an outer body experience or that I'm travelling or are in a foreign place. It's like a soundtrack to a movie about floating. -Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 16:32:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41418-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75665 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 75649 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: JTmboLAVM1kxtC0q5PFoR9fIGVxqQNJi3giVa1gG1QTdgERVcjXY7DtXozi3OW11uY15zFyEf.DHXuB_LP9uhP4NGfi5_.k5wKuMVPkUlJd_BP2XTis- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There was no instruction at all in any of the art schools I attended along these lines. I know of very few alumni who are making "fine arts" for a living... that is not to say that there aren't many that aren't working creatively in a profession. -adrian --- Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > It's a shame that so many people go to these fine institutions to > learn such wonderful skills, only to have them choked off by the > tourniquet of business inexperience. > > ~Kyle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 16:01:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41417-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57260 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:02:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 57248 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:02:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:00:57 -0500 (EST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx (Ian Reddy) Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they hit >you, when you are alone, for example, this perosnal >experience, when you hear something cool, that you >dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it creates >this separation from alienation, this curiously >numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone else >says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you hear the >really great first album, or someone say its crap and >you no longer feel intimate with it even if you dont >care what someone else thinks. what the blogger guy >says makes sense in terms of emotional range only. is >all digital music in a sense governed by an irony >(related to a high level of self-consciousness) that >doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni mitchell >might sing about? does the full range of human emotion >demand words or demand the discarding of words? >anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, your >wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. I think that in art, emotion is something either projected onto the work or it is something acted out by the performer. No work of art is a raw emotional outburst - that's impossible as art and music are obviously mediated through the intellect and already existing cultural forms. I suggest that Joni Mitchel is performing her emotions through song. Also certain sounds are culturally constructed as being connected to certain emotions (such as the connection of low droning sounds to feelings of gloom) and the artist often exploits these connections or we simply project them onto a work. So....in brief I do think that art can provoke an emotional response BUT I also think the emotion we experience is drastically different from the emotion we speak of as being present in art, and probably not the same thing at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 14:37:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41416-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13880 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:38:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 13869 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:38:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lIpER95bqxmweinZRwaxC7Ff+vIQ4Th9xqSqGcAVz+6RcmCx2goiKSp+45Z82TLxyyi0f6Ucjv5V+J+jAQzNzgotKBDsyT/JrvvTUjseKlzRUEFgSfUnvEuqPx0/0kpukT9E9ui6idAdsyFyBAafvQzCR31qSOZyfn3jKTBEl1U=; X-YMail-OSG: oPsGFVIVM1nQnzCEqrQlJwXeGB05baw6GQ5R592lTx3V15ktHulkwthOKHw9EMakQLpQBzk4dnDZieJh17I_h2Uuafpa0UndDDnSu5ePhEiXDCMsj89A4gP.ujANcD8j6PcOMMI20Rk3ZQ-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx one thing about certain kinds of sound, when they hit you, when you are alone, for example, this perosnal experience, when you hear something cool, that you dont hear any hype about beforehand, and it creates this separation from alienation, this curiously numinous bubble, albeit momentary, until someone else says, oh, you're listening to that, didnt you hear the really great first album, or someone say its crap and you no longer feel intimate with it even if you dont care what someone else thinks. what the blogger guy says makes sense in terms of emotional range only. is all digital music in a sense governed by an irony (related to a high level of self-consciousness) that doesnt allow for the feelings such as joni mitchell might sing about? does the full range of human emotion demand words or demand the discarding of words? anyway, its about your own fantasy formations, your wildest imaginations, isnt it. what you desire. --- Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I find some .microsound music > > to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any > conceptual framework to > > explain where it comes from - certainly not one > that stands up next to > > for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni > Mitchell speaks to your > > heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. > > > > > http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ > > > > can you give a few examples of the microsound music > you find most > emotional? cheers. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. 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Tue Jan 30 14:31:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41415-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8511 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:32:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 8496 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:32:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:30:58 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ihe1kj/TfG38jq1EeqLRCei1HOQnBZtI2SreGuMIBzp52gzbOYrAc7q9cJVMpzYAWcSMerb95jAoLhnNyqnx8hcreHYBX3+99agjo4gHbz7Gi07TymBLrEsTkuOKOkxG/z8HBqrwC3UcxF0BwSwtrUyqflqb+meqPlv1oOTXBmk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is a valid statement. My girlfriend just got a BFA in painting. She learned a lot about her skills with media and concepts, and how to defend her ideas. What she didn't learn much of were the business things: pricing her art, networking with collectors/gallery owners, marketing herself, etc. I believe that she was only required to take a single one-hour, half semester course that touched on any sort of business practicalities. It's a shame that so many people go to these fine institutions to learn such wonderful skills, only to have them choked off by the tourniquet of business inexperience. ~Kyle On 1/29/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > "Business art is the step that comes after Art. I started as a > commercial artist, and I want to finish as a business artist. After > I did the thing called "art" or whatever it's called, I went into > business art. I wanted to be an Art Businessman or a Business > Artist. Being good in business is the most fascinating kind of art. > During the hippie era people put down the idea of business - they'd > say, "Money is bad," and "working is bad," but making money is art > and working is art and good business is the best art" > > Andy Warhol > The Philosophy of Andy Warhol (from A to B and Back Again), p. 92, > softcover edition. > > On 25-Jan-07, at 3:16 PM, Steven McLeod wrote: > > > "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and > > that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned > > with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses > > psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life > > will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, > > sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the > > way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose > > one could say that, not my asthetic tho... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" > > <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > > > > > >> Hallo, > >> Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: > >> > >>> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing > >>> as an > >>> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done > >>> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good > >>> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. > >>> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. > >> > >> Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing > >> uses > >> these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't > >> make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. > >> > >> Ciao > >> -- > >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: > >> 23/01/2007 08:02 > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 13:22:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41414-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69578 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:23:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 69567 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:23:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:22:02 +0000 From: Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oY00QVNqT1/BE+Of56mh6ZQlE0sMHA+94xnhEp1Yrt4l1VL3V0HdmSLUVomZRt5x+riNM9Jp0nf/cnSgsCGIokFJPsm8ITGLNWFlKMX+p58Z1HQVrM2qLiEHmq0oD1N/XrmlBr/m0YVdUiXz3vnscZustAg+0DBu5y2pjExL/vw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I find some .microsound music > to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any conceptual framework to > explain where it comes from - certainly not one that stands up next to > for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni Mitchell speaks to your > heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. > > http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ > can you give a few examples of the microsound music you find most emotional? cheers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 11:41:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41413-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29044 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:42:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 29029 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:42:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:41:17 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote: > Do you mind if I ask you for an example of microsound music you find > emotional.. maybe even something from the projects page? http://netlabel.qunabu.com/ -> releases -> qnb001 NN - Bugs Are Welcome -> 07 transmiter 1 For me, this is an intensely emotional experience - it leaves me short of breath, as though something is grabbing my gut and squeezing, not letting me go. > Some songs and sounds have nostalgia that could evoke emotion in some > people and shrill sounds might induce panic etc. It's not nostalgia. For me, in the track I mentioned above it's something to do with the repetition, the ever-unresolved chord, the sense of breathing... > But are you saying that you find alot of microsound music is missing > emotion? I'm saying that the kind of emotion I get from microsound music is of a quite different character to the kind I get from say Ani DiFranco, or the kind of passionate gypsy music that always forms the centrepiece in Tony Gatlif's films - especially the theme music to Vengo. It's not even that microsound is more cerebral, because microsound can hit my gut (I feel emotions in my gut) just as hard if I'm in the right mood. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 06:09:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41412-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2173 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:10:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 2163 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:10:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: udKXoI4VM1lLaIzOaeUsglZhuntQ3kSPgiWnw2CJJO3Vte1RTAlS1_pvniM6gItmrBX4_50KcGwzI5R5k0slkZOqvyTSjDhr.cJrP54hoBG9iUfjY5Y- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian, Hmm well I can't help but to think that this person's close relationship to Joni would be a big factor in inducing emotion in them. Do you mind if I ask you for an example of microsound music you find emotional.. maybe even something from the projects page? Some songs and sounds have nostalgia that could evoke emotion in some people and shrill sounds might induce panic etc. But are you saying that you find alot of microsound music is missing emotion? Adrian --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > Xdugef wrote: > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > are > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > only > > apply to .microsound music. > > "Where's the emotion" would be my biggest. I find some .microsound > music > to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any conceptual framework to > > explain where it comes from - certainly not one that stands up next > to > for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni Mitchell speaks to your > heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. > > http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 03:53:10 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41411-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50915 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:54:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 50897 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:54:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:52:51 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Xdugef wrote: > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there are > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones only > apply to .microsound music. "Where's the emotion" would be my biggest. I find some .microsound music to be highly 'emotional' but I don't have any conceptual framework to explain where it comes from - certainly not one that stands up next to for example Bob Lefsetz explaining why Joni Mitchell speaks to your heart, where "beat-driven music" doesn't. http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2007/01/27/greetings-from-to/ -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 02:55:29 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41410-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25102 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:56:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 25089 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:56:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:54:59 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tm6R9AAfFjEO5KfSalAKVcpKt/sEWEAqmuLfNCeF925+2lm+gA3sYchfbcEieXD1DFHCDHnJTLdV90Z3KCQCp6QhAdqfrp/utdLxq+/QfI/7kfKVBuS2U3WoETPuEJs5U/oN19lYlZt7DqW82FmwrIPfdWXxhr+dQyGtGjt/4oI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi > During the hippie era people put down the idea of business - they'd > say, "Money is bad," and "working is bad," but making money is art > and working is art and good business is the best art" > > Andy Warhol warhol is the perfect figure to bring up in this discussion. most would agree he was a sucessful artist [with all the conflicting criteria that implies]. most would also agree he was a successful businessman [his 60s studio was called 'the factory' for more than it's past use]. business was a part of his art, definitely. one thread in his multi-dimentional artwork is the dehumanizing alienation of consumer life. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 02:22:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41409-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8143 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:23:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 8132 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:23:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:32 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Business Art (was iConsume) In-reply-to: <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "Business art is the step that comes after Art. I started as a commercial artist, and I want to finish as a business artist. After I did the thing called "art" or whatever it's called, I went into business art. I wanted to be an Art Businessman or a Business Artist. Being good in business is the most fascinating kind of art. During the hippie era people put down the idea of business - they'd say, "Money is bad," and "working is bad," but making money is art and working is art and good business is the best art" Andy Warhol The Philosophy of Andy Warhol (from A to B and Back Again), p. 92, softcover edition. On 25-Jan-07, at 3:16 PM, Steven McLeod wrote: > "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and > that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned > with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses > psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life > will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, > sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the > way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose > one could say that, not my asthetic tho... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" > <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > > >> Hallo, >> Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing >>> as an >>> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done >>> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good >>> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. >>> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. >> >> Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing >> uses >> these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't >> make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. >> >> Ciao >> -- >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: >> 23/01/2007 08:02 >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 02:06:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41408-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2060 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:07:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 2048 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:07:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:06:32 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U13d0KuqPZTOMxFXkCJH5VVo7NSy5FkdLZmKJuTrSlyTVjtCdah4wozSRz95Mj5X/CcNsVXYr1jeX2RAdyp35mr1G6DyGro1VBu3Lm9mS2QqoI0g+XBQhX+L0nzglIDLnzVnclinj9yVh/80D/MKg4fm4jMFAH2edlBIMoTq7Io= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Could you be more specific? Are you referring to the concept of the "refrain" in A Thousand Plateaus, or something else? ~David On 1/29/07, v dish <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Has anbody here read Deleuze's theory of music? If so can you suggest any > interpretations of this aspect of his philosophy, as I'm not finding it very > accessible. > Thanks! > > Sidasah > > On 1/29/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > > Are you really responding to my post? > > > > It was a serious question that was not asked out of anger (despite any > > of my not so recent posts). Since this is the ".microsound list" I > > thought it would be more relevant to the list to talk about how a > > philosophy.. any philosophy actually applies to a style or how one > > structures their music. > > > > Is that wrong of me to ask??? What is an example of a "microsound > > issue"? I really want to know. > > > > Or maybe I'm missing the obvious.. take a recording of protesters, chop > > it up into indecipherable bits and call it ode to Marx? > > > > But to address some of issues you bring up... if consumerism is an > > issue then I suppose it is an unavoidable fact that if you use current > > technology and upgrade and add to your arsenal new gear on a regular > > basis then you might be considered a supporter of consumerism and > > therefore capitalism. > > > > Solution.. buy old/used equipment, use open source software and give > > your music away... move off the grid.. ferment soy beeans.. I dunno. > > > > Personally as much as I can I use "recycled" gear but I have money so I > > buy new shit too.. but I also giveaway alot of music as well. > > > > Is it an issue for anybody that Apple sells computers to the DOD? > > > > Adrian > > > > --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > > > > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > > > are > > > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > > > only > > > > apply to .microsound music. > > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > I don't see a need for this constraint. I read more than I post > > > because > > > there is rarely little more I can add. But to me all forms of art are > > > currently so dominated and manipulated by capitalism as it operates > > > today > > > that I see the kind of posts that Kim is making to be acutely > > > relevant and > > > they make me think contextually about what I do. It's not purely > > > political, it's socio-political and the environment in which we > > > create art > > > is so dominated by US socio-political imperialism that the worth of > > > such > > > discussion shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Consumerism is the > > > prevailing > > > religion in my country (Australia - the other developed country that > > > rejected Kyoto). > > > > > > The topics of the posts are quite transparent. It's easy not to open > > > them > > > if you don't want to engage in the debate. I don't understand the > > > anger at > > > all. > > > > > > It's not like there isn't a choice or there isn't room for discussion > > > about the wider social context as well as the narrower .microsund > > > minutae. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Jan 30 01:15:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41407-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77857 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:16:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 77846 invoked from network); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:16:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:14:53 -0500 From: v dish <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_HSEzvWoH1P7XbP5mQLlKIw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lMOAyfkzRTy9ReaIKa4D376n+DqGMmCDGbhDS+9cw3Pk9ITm03uBdr+RSqOgQ3aWQh3rPv/cgG8HHxiO0TBL8bJg3ES3AJcgn/ziGhV1dlYPKSgtIjR9SDRYDhM4zCy2LKwdoyT0ZZu27lptWXhFxdDgf1ULS50ck1R/ziMCEBc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_HSEzvWoH1P7XbP5mQLlKIw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anbody here read Deleuze's theory of music? If so can you suggest any interpretations of this aspect of his philosophy, as I'm not finding it very accessible. Thanks! Sidasah On 1/29/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Are you really responding to my post? > > It was a serious question that was not asked out of anger (despite any > of my not so recent posts). Since this is the ".microsound list" I > thought it would be more relevant to the list to talk about how a > philosophy.. any philosophy actually applies to a style or how one > structures their music. > > Is that wrong of me to ask??? What is an example of a "microsound > issue"? I really want to know. > > Or maybe I'm missing the obvious.. take a recording of protesters, chop > it up into indecipherable bits and call it ode to Marx? > > But to address some of issues you bring up... if consumerism is an > issue then I suppose it is an unavoidable fact that if you use current > technology and upgrade and add to your arsenal new gear on a regular > basis then you might be considered a supporter of consumerism and > therefore capitalism. > > Solution.. buy old/used equipment, use open source software and give > your music away... move off the grid.. ferment soy beeans.. I dunno. > > Personally as much as I can I use "recycled" gear but I have money so I > buy new shit too.. but I also giveaway alot of music as well. > > Is it an issue for anybody that Apple sells computers to the DOD? > > Adrian > > --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > > are > > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > > only > > > apply to .microsound music. > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > I don't see a need for this constraint. I read more than I post > > because > > there is rarely little more I can add. But to me all forms of art are > > currently so dominated and manipulated by capitalism as it operates > > today > > that I see the kind of posts that Kim is making to be acutely > > relevant and > > they make me think contextually about what I do. It's not purely > > political, it's socio-political and the environment in which we > > create art > > is so dominated by US socio-political imperialism that the worth of > > such > > discussion shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Consumerism is the > > prevailing > > religion in my country (Australia - the other developed country that > > rejected Kyoto). > > > > The topics of the posts are quite transparent. It's easy not to open > > them > > if you don't want to engage in the debate. I don't understand the > > anger at > > all. > > > > It's not like there isn't a choice or there isn't room for discussion > > about the wider social context as well as the narrower .microsund > > minutae. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --Boundary_(ID_HSEzvWoH1P7XbP5mQLlKIw)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 22:32:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41406-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90322 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:33:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 90309 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:33:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: a2eBf9EVM1lR06z26.foBYuGB3kIaahIeKaCJ4HTO0FoL8q2KJmtW5N0LLR1di55.6C1tY6KALLEJIM98RApdpqpUxUGuRSka6_iL8mflDDVIjl7iD5xBDsNMS.tFgkqImMRS7PjlraT3dSYvcsCoqT8ca1M0UH1 X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Are you really responding to my post? It was a serious question that was not asked out of anger (despite any of my not so recent posts). Since this is the ".microsound list" I thought it would be more relevant to the list to talk about how a philosophy.. any philosophy actually applies to a style or how one structures their music. Is that wrong of me to ask??? What is an example of a "microsound issue"? I really want to know. Or maybe I'm missing the obvious.. take a recording of protesters, chop it up into indecipherable bits and call it ode to Marx? But to address some of issues you bring up... if consumerism is an issue then I suppose it is an unavoidable fact that if you use current technology and upgrade and add to your arsenal new gear on a regular basis then you might be considered a supporter of consumerism and therefore capitalism. Solution.. buy old/used equipment, use open source software and give your music away... move off the grid.. ferment soy beeans.. I dunno. Personally as much as I can I use "recycled" gear but I have money so I buy new shit too.. but I also giveaway alot of music as well. Is it an issue for anybody that Apple sells computers to the DOD? Adrian --- xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe > > that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there > are > > probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones > only > > apply to .microsound music. > > > > Adrian > > > > I don't see a need for this constraint. I read more than I post > because > there is rarely little more I can add. But to me all forms of art are > currently so dominated and manipulated by capitalism as it operates > today > that I see the kind of posts that Kim is making to be acutely > relevant and > they make me think contextually about what I do. It's not purely > political, it's socio-political and the environment in which we > create art > is so dominated by US socio-political imperialism that the worth of > such > discussion shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Consumerism is the > prevailing > religion in my country (Australia - the other developed country that > rejected Kyoto). > > The topics of the posts are quite transparent. It's easy not to open > them > if you don't want to engage in the debate. I don't understand the > anger at > all. > > It's not like there isn't a choice or there isn't room for discussion > about the wider social context as well as the narrower .microsund > minutae. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 18:43:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41405-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31375 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:44:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 31365 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:44:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: yVr4vdsVM1mjHR0m02BCWZA9SvfEbxPWNonhfY8lKXyx.HVezOq1GrSO4tY9_VBug9hGQjpVgJk3Z9NvNOf_WZHgMpc2.0kbvm9mq.DebxfVugIEGfU- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Here's a request... define or list some ".microsound issues". Maybe that will get the ball rolling in a new direction. Obviously there are probably many issues that would apply to all music but which ones only apply to .microsound music. Adrian --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hey, if anyone wants to discuss .microsound issues from a post- > colonial or feminist or queer or post-modern or Straussian neocon or > > whatever viewpoint that's fine too... > but boysenberry is cool too > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 18:13:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41404-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11682 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:14:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 11671 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:14:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:12:51 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hey, if anyone wants to discuss .microsound issues from a post- colonial or feminist or queer or post-modern or Straussian neocon or whatever viewpoint that's fine too... but boysenberry is cool too --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 29 15:46:32 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41403-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25189 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:47:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 25178 invoked from network); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:47:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Brouse <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] L'oeuvre ouverte | PureData Convention '07 - Call for Proposals X-X-Sender: xxxxxx@xxxxx To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [VERSION FRANÇAISE CI-DESSOUS] L'oeuvre ouverte | PureData Convention '07 - Call for Proposals * August 21st-26th, 2007 - Montreal, Canada * Deadline for artworks/performances and workshops: February 28th 2007 * Deadline for papers: March 31st 2007 http://convention.puredata.org/ The PureData Convention Steering Committee is now accepting proposals for participation in L'oeuvre ouverte (the Open Work), the 2nd International PureData Convention. L'oeuvre ouverte invites an open relation between the artwork and the public as well as open attitudes and practices in the fields of programming, artistic creation and scientific research. It will bring together artists, developers and writers who develop, use and reflect on PureData. The Convention will acknowledge the broad range of artistic and technical disciplines that make use of the software and will address questions of openness and accessibility. It will provide a theoretical and artistic context for the understanding of the aesthetics and politics of Free / Open Source Software culture. Selected proposals will reflect varied perspectives and outlooks on the artistic possibilities of free software and hardware that emanate from a wide-ranging community. These include, but are not restricted to: connections to art, science and society as well as demonstrations of innovative and intuitive interactions. We encourage a wide range of submissions from all levels of proficiency with the software as well as from emergent and diverse PureData communities. Submissions will be evaluated by peer review committees. Proposals are sought in the following categories: Artwork/Performances: The selected artworks should make use of PureData. All forms of audio and visual art including real-time interactive works, improvisations with technology, instrumental/electroacoustic mixes, sound installations, performances, network art, robotics, software art and interdisciplinary work are welcome. Papers and posters: We are accepting papers that offer varying perspectives on technical, social, cultural as well as art theory/historical aspects of PureData or the aesthetics and politics of Free / Open Source Software (FOSS) culture. Demos: Externals, performance patches, packages of abstractions, sensors and physical computing interfaces, etc. Workshops: Beginner to advanced level hands-on workshops, installation help, DIY etc. ::applicants are invited to submit in multiple categories:: please read the application guidelines here: http://convention.puredata.org/guidelines |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| L'oeuvre ouverte | Congrès PureData 2007 - Appel de propositions * Du 21 au 26 août 2007, Montréal, Canada * Appel à participation ? Jusqu'au 28 février pour les projets artistiques et les ateliers, le 31 mars pour les exposés. http://convention.puredata.org/convention07-fr Le comité organisateur du Congrès de PureData accepte maintenant les propositions en vue de participer à L'oeuvre ouverte, 2e Congrès international de PureData. L'oeuvre ouverte propose une relation d'ouverture entre l'oeuvre d'art et le public et encourage les attitudes et les pratiques ouvertes dans les domaines de la programmation, de la création artistique et de la recherché scientifique. Le congrès réunira artistes, développeurs et théoriciens qui sont les créateurs de PureData, qui exploitent le logiciel ou en font l'objet de leur réflexion. Le Congrès témoignera de toute la gamme des disciplines artistiques et techniques qui exploitent le logiciel libre et s'intéressera aux questions d'ouverture et d'accessibilité. Il servira de cadre théorique et artistique pour la compréhension des aspects esthétiques et politiques propres à la culture du logiciel libre. Les propositions retenues refléteront les nombreuses perspectives que le logiciel libre et ses applications, émanant d'une collectivité diversifiée, offrent en matière de possibilités artistiques, qu'il s'agisse, notamment, de jonctions établies entre l'art, la science et la société ou de la présentation d'interactions innovatrices et intuitives. Les propositions les plus diverses sont les bienvenues, peu importe le degré de compétence de l'auteur à l'égard du logiciel. L'invitation est lancée, entre autres, aux collectifs de PureData en émergence. Les propositions seront évaluées par des comités de pairs. Les propositions doivent se situer dans les catégories suivantes: Oeuvres d'art/installations: les ?uvres de toute nature, produites à l'aide de PureData, soit toute forme d'art audio et visuel, y compris les ?uvres interactives en temps réel, les improvisations technologiques, les pièces instrumentales et électroacoustiques, les installations sonores, les performances, l'art robotique et télématique et les ?uvres multidisciplinaires. Exposés et affiche: communications apportant diverses perspectives sur les aspects techniques, sociaux, culturels, l'histoire de l'art de PureData, de même que sur les aspects esthétiques et politiques de la culture du logiciel libre. Démonstrations: périphériques, outils de performance, extras, senseurs et interfaces, etc. Ateliers: travaux pratiques de niveau débutant à avancé, aide aux installations, activités manuelles, etc. SVP lisez les lignes directrices: http://convention.puredata.org/guidelines-fr ::Les intéressés sont invités à faire des propositions de nature multiple:: --Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --Boundary_(ID_0MT5aPqTLfN6MC8VUwFGoQ)-- From ???@??? 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To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-06DFB6C5AF2411DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Greets- Just wanted to let folks know I did one of my once-in-a-blue-moon updates of the microsound list archive, available here: <http://www.propheticdesire.us/menu.html> Only limited checking on my part, so if you find something broken, please let me know. Enjoy! vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:48:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41401-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37881 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:55:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 37867 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:55:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:48:04 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx john saylor wrote: > in other words, it 'arrives' when > more than one person makes microsound music that is multi-leveled and > evocative. small packets of culture develop here and there ... Isn't this happening already? > so you see, it has nothing to do with television for me. and with the > internet as a distribution channel, no one from a major corporation > [record label] needs to be involved at all ... I think microsound if it appears on television will have appeared in various other far more obvious places first. > hmm, but what about if the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is your [hungry] > friend? does that change your answer? It's usually me, actually. And no, I kinda like dumpster diving. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:40:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41400-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34635 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:46:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 34623 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:46:56 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:39:52 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] post-globalization socialist art To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > 3. Theoretically speaking, what could a new > post-globalization, socialist art look like? What > would decidedly be its tenor, its thrust, at this > point? Does a kind of melancholic glitch 'space' go > beyond a humanistic soulfulness and actually challenge > hegemony, at the level of the imaginary? Is > singularity important (or rather how could singularity > work without becoming the Great Author of the Work)? I don't think you can impose a top-down methodology on to the development of cultural work most of the time the process takes on a more viral form anyway one person starts something and others follow with mimetic content which then breeds other derivations ----------------------------------------------- I see collaboration having more of a role in the future this is the basis of my 'Emergent Content' workshops the content is brought about by a group of people all shaping the materials into a single form which btw is an exciting process to watch in this process all the participants vote on a particular bit of content which then helps determine whether or not it gets a chance to 'breed' the process uses a simple genetic algorithm which means the resulting content is formed by the 'fitness function' imposed by the group not by any one individual I see this as one possible model for a post-globalization, socialist process and it is already taking place in open source development and Wiki- styled content where the content is shaped by many hands all adding their unique perspective to the mix --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:38:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41399-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33287 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:45:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 33275 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:45:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:38:31 -0500 From: Charles Turner <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-E63146D0AF1711DB906C000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.46]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx One of the most interesting philosophers of aesthetics I've read is Stefan Morawski, whose book: _Inquiries into the Fundamentals of Aesthetics_ (MIT Press, 1974) is the best english language statement of his thinking. I've uploaded a bunch of his essays to the repository, some more recent and others ("Artistic Value," "Expression") overlapping the contents of the book above. Perhaps some will find them an worthwhile read. vatic <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 21:27:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41398-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29093 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:34:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 29077 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:34:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:44 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DSTpx7whE3Z9MbUf4t1qMLK7sXvKjwDmA+pcdvwahFan2Y6Ne8Y4xqAZZhUV2YrNA4pdiqz8K3lRCW5KHeh+CMfk4NKX8LQK0WlYzHqWUMDilg0he60xtuZB0eLaE3bxSgSBhWRJuuAy95OobKdFlfetB542x96e1U0m4iDgCXs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/28/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > I think microsound on a television ad would be a good /indication/ that > microsound had 'arrived', yes. arrived as a corpse! i think this is an indication of where we diverge. if we can equate artistic maturity with 'arriving', i would say it arrives when its 'language' is sufficiently nuanced to have more than one person doing meaningful work within the language. in other words, it 'arrives' when more than one person makes microsound music that is multi-leveled and evocative. small packets of culture develop here and there ... so you see, it has nothing to do with television for me. and with the internet as a distribution channel, no one from a major corporation [record label] needs to be involved at all ... > Do we care more that the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is rewarded for his > efforts, or that his efforts reach the rest of the world and affect change? > I think the latter. hmm, but what about if the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is your [hungry] friend? does that change your answer? -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 20:51:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41397-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14040 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:58:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 14009 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:57:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:50:51 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx john saylor wrote: > ok- sure. that argument is very sensible. > maybe i missed something- but why do we care that advertisers are > interested in art [as another means to manipulate consumers]: is that > how we measure art? economically? First of all - for anyone going 'oh sigh, Marxism', Marxism actually has little to do with self-righteous middle-class student protestors, or the Soviet Union, and a lot to do with a pretty solid framework for understanding how an industrial or post-industrial economy (ie ours) operates. For an updated version of Marxism that takes the IT industry into account I can thoroughly recommend "A Hacker Manifesto" by McKenzie Wark. It paints possibly the best picture of what the employer/employee relationship feels like if you're an IT professional, while (from memory, it's been a while since I read it) taking into account the open source movement and other interesting bits of digital culture that have emerged recently. Having got that out of the way, if you read the primer on Marxist aesthetics that Kim posted on the website (under .microsound repository/miscellaneous/Reading), one of the questions raised was how to interpret a particular paragraph on the place of art in the world. Two possible interpretations are outlined (on Page 10). One interpretation puts art as something that arises wholly from the economic/material world, thus irreducible to the economic/material world, and thus not important in influencing those who currently hold power in our world. The other interpretation puts art in a position where it is capable of influencing the economic/material world, and thus capable of affecting change in 'the real world'. > to some people, everything in their lives is valued according to its > worth in a currency. but isn't there so much more to being alive than > collecting money? esp. for 'creative' people. Yes, but that's not my point. Here's an analogy: one of the strongest (IMO) ways of making the environmental movement a more powerful force for affecting change is by adopting the language of accounting and then turning it back on itself. If you can put a dollar value on a cubic metre of clean air, then you can put a dollar cost on polluting that cubic metre of clean air, and thus you can write environmental costs into accounting sheets in ways that businesspeople understand how to deal with. Or take this example here: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003255.html . I'm not saying that art has to have an impact on the economy, or that it should be valued by its worth in currency - I'm just saying that it *can*, and such an analysis if performed could prove hugely useful in, for example, convincing rich people to fund art projects. >> The wild-eyed free-jazz cats put on a gig, > [deletions] >> and next thing you know something of the essence of the >> wild-eyed free-jazz music (mutated and translated but still there) >> shows up >> on prime-time television selling toothpaste. > > sure- to grab the glitchy audience ... No, not at all. Go listen to 'Don't Tell Me' by Madonna. Notice how enormously it features the glitchy cut-up guitar. But this is not a glitchy work, and not designed to 'grab the glitchy audience' - rather, the producers of the track chose that one particular aesthetic as a way of hooking in the straight pop audience to a fresh sound. Do you think the producers of 'Don't Tell Me' would've dared do this had there not been a significant body of pre-existing glitch work, that doubtless they or some of their more out-there music-geek friends played them at some stage? It's all networking. > is this artistic sucess? does it mean microsound music has 'arrived' > once it's used as a soundtrack for a television advertisement? I think microsound on a television ad would be a good /indication/ that microsound had 'arrived', yes. Ads tend to be quite conservative. But I don't think that placement on a television advertisement could ever in itself bring about the 'arrival' of microsound. > your wild-eyed free-jazz cat is still dumpster diving for dinner ... Do we care more that the wild-eyed free-jazz cat is rewarded for his efforts, or that his efforts reach the rest of the world and affect change? I think the latter. Besides, I currently earn a very enormous hourly wage for my design job, and I still dumpster dive for my dinner sometimes. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 11:39:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41396-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25638 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:46:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 25621 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:46:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:39:20 -0800 (PST) From: tasty radish <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: history of the middle class In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YqpHlCAIuJd/p4KzNgxeXwG7cJtxNJBuvLGx4khvZLYpmFkDzHYdBJ6JHenJatyqWLYszDKX8xEtVfN72GWEIoxy7Jvpvjy3H4Q9/uy9BvRKGO5bN48HZRHvqvrPaHzk6SWUEWaVKWeaXXHSByi9J9ptHrBy6WGZ3mBWWgceh8c= ; X-YMail-OSG: D6a2tZ0VM1k1aE8Ep.4O2vHyz6iUeDZWVA0em08fcga.CepYt..gC0NlkcBqscCx8kGhXzBo4wJRMqxzD7ZoG_83uTHXkTcBETnO04C6APakBW0axZTyQOXnLft.ygmkif7O7dNx0tsZFUQr88V.ldc59Ys- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx this is an excellent discussion, imo. i wanted to provoke a slightly different vantage point into this. it more operates around a cluster of questions, that have to do with the present: 1. is the digital era a revolution culturally (akin to the industrial revolution)? Or a shift technologically. In other words, do things like JIT (just-in-time) technologies make an extraordinary difference to the culture of capitalism, or represent a kind of ramping up (a kind of hyper capitalism)? 2. As Negri & Hardt argue in Empire, the development of today's Neo-Liberal order -- Globalization --state was specifically created by the ruling class to essentially push back the working class and post-colonial self-determination struggles which were making popular, mass inroads into such things as quality of life issues (healthcare, education, etc. etc), as well as simply the wage. So, this communist possibility was 'sensed' by the politicos/economists of the ruling class and it was beaten back, stripped clean at its roots, so as to allow for "unfettered markets". The first structural adjustment being Sept 11, 1972 in Chile, which installed not only Pinochet but also let the "chicago school of economics" run with the ball. This 'school' was the first imprint of the new Neo-Liberal economic system (hallmarks being no welfare state, no 'dangerous' workers unions, environmental protections, reduction of education programs, etc as much as possible), to be put into place. So, now almost forty years later, with globalization -- as a cultural order or general concept -- considered not only "inevitable" but virtually the-way-things-are by most everyday people in europe and north america, I wonder where is the new point of rupture or change? In wildcat strikes in China (thousands are occuring every month), in mass uprisings in the global south (Oaxaca being a recent example)? There is a disparate quality to all these actions, as if against the police state of the Neo-Liberal order are events which are acts of resistance and genuine desire for moral sense, but which are not nonetheless, 'enough' to create a sense of global momentum across regions. Why are they not 'enough'? The media? Or are we -- the 'first' world -- so invested/socialized/scared into our corners of the hi-lo ghettos of the Terrordome vis-a-vis the non-stop sex-war-shampoo Spectacle that we can't possibly imagine 'others' as in any way our brothers and sisters (to use decidedly old fashioned terminology). 3. Theoretically speaking, what could a new post-globalization, socialist art look like? What would decidedly be its tenor, its thrust, at this point? Does a kind of melancholic glitch 'space' go beyond a humanistic soulfulness and actually challenge hegemony, at the level of the imaginary? Is singularity important (or rather how could singularity work without becoming the Great Author of the Work)? -Andrew there would > be difficulty in > 'opening' european markets due to the proliferation > of workers unions > which was an outgrowth of and directly influenced by > communist/ > socialist/anarchist/marxist (I'll call this > 'leftist' for ease of > typing) parties > so the US devised this program called the Marshall > Plan > which had two purposes: > one was the help rebuild europe (in our own > likeness) thereby > establishing markets for the US overproduction of > goods > the other was to bust the unions and discourage > 'leftist' political > philosophy from spreading in europe > thus making it cheaper for american businesses to > operate there > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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Sun Jan 28 02:21:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41395-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42280 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:28:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 42228 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:28:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:21:26 -0700 From: Dominic Tetmyer <xxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] item for sale (OT) To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Have an item listed on ebay. 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Sat Jan 27 23:56:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41394-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87636 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:03:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 87621 invoked from network); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:03:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:56:15 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BQEEEK9KKa3x7APAUWRaU70YXUV9thq/+8PgeSL9Ry7m/sWt4karMx2O9kjoXKIJAv1BReDYfnPtT8GTbMs2LzPtZPSRUYCPtCIAqPbO4WSbiayCGFHgjH7qYHXl5eUA3sr+3Gg7JetHql2HMAxkEAaekeUUsFlLdoSbCJN1f0A= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a > > new microsound project? On 1/26/07, john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > grab anything interesting ... posted 15 mins of the protest rally: http://or8.net/~johns/misc/20070127.mp3 there's a nice chant several minutes in, and then the bells in a nearby church started ringing, making a nice mix. the only processing i did on the file was a fade in and out, and i brought the levels down a tiny bit in the middle when it was clipping. if people want to 'reprocess' this audio- it's ok with me. i don't know how long i'll leave it up at its present location. prolly at least a month, maybe more. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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Sat Jan 27 16:57:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41392-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11275 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:04:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 11258 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:04:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: M6maOj8VM1kXvoxVUXaUYnij04jqlNtdY8ewU_px5nb3OC8yrAk5QJwQnzAeIsAbNl1F3TXiLnTngL7vlHE.QFsd2EIs8_Cd9IPZvuy9Xw4x1AdIzZA- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Unfortunately Baskin Robins (this list) is now only selling only flavor.. guess which one it is? --- Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > v dish wrote: > > why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of > digital > > and post-digital audio culture without discussion of marxism? > > because that's like saying why can't this list be geared toward a > philosophical discussion of icecream without discussing boysenberry > flavour. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 16:52:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41391-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8473 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:58:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 8460 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:58:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: Cooptrol <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx IMHO, this list has long gone off-topic... Hernan www.cooptrol.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 16:32:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41390-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99435 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:39:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 99423 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:39:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:32:24 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q/bd1PRxz+dTCl5VC1cMrpv+Vy8Ixwo0vYja9IicMYtRkIZpeteUvqd9Bg14yNyWJp8SiFYl4RY87mDQHHSPgitJiB+z433VLuaQUbrojZwQaSbAi9Iim4HwNlz1WKlkWsZt6SHpOVzkXbqLdu6ppnnn1+rZejORikCTImqP1v0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/27/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > my point is that if advertising is an important > economic force (which it is), and if advertisers are interested in art > (which they appear to be), then art does have an effect on the economy. ok- sure. that argument is very sensible. maybe i missed something- but why do we care that advertisers are interested in art [as another means to manipulate consumers]: is that how we measure art? economically? to some people, everything in their lives is valued according to its worth in a currency. but isn't there so much more to being alive than collecting money? esp. for 'creative' people. > The wild-eyed free-jazz cats put on a gig, [deletions] > and next thing you know something of the essence of the > wild-eyed free-jazz music (mutated and translated but still there) shows up > on prime-time television selling toothpaste. sure- to grab the glitchy audience ... is this artistic sucess? does it mean microsound music has 'arrived' once it's used as a soundtrack for a television advertisement? your wild-eyed free-jazz cat is still dumpster diving for dinner ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 16:09:35 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41389-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 90777 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:16:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 90758 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:16:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:09:23 -0500 From: Paulo Mouat <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kJV+6tGCNgg4Ed1UzLesWw6gdefyHuad3m69vIyHcwyQpES37FvpN3gwfoJtx8TeUFPX0LzGjcmPbWdt9piles2m2/GjuR/agZXqVPtGa1SQf4IwMldMpbHNOUQItlPHnLSKunvXsI3ZUHq+xOMAmeFT3riw2qgbriylZhdlQfo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx No one did it better than Stockhausen :). Check the 3rd region of Hymnen. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/ On 1/26/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Yeah, especially since the best microsound is in the mind...tools > can't express it like I think it. > > Hah! > > Let's do a remix of the Soviet National Anthem contest. > > (In jest,) > > ~Kyle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 12:41:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41388-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15921 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:48:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 15911 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:48:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:41:23 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim Cascone wrote: > a .pdf of the first chapter only > was uploaded to the repository > in the reading dir. Thanks for that Kim. This makes me think about the "creative industry" - design, advertising, and film and television production. Given as how almost all manufacturing work now happens overseas, it could be argued that these are becoming the most economically important forces in the Western world. Now, I work in this industry (with a small company that makes interactive museum installations), and having spoken to the owners of several of the most successful companies here in Wellington, New Zealand, it strikes me that one of the things that they all have in common is an interest in art. This makes a lot of sense - advertisers are often looking for different ways of enticing people to experience their ads, and artists are often trying to create works that allow listeners or viewers to experience something new or different, or at least in a different way. Whether or not advertising is art is a separate matter and one I'm not really interested in, but my point is that if advertising is an important economic force (which it is), and if advertisers are interested in art (which they appear to be), then art does have an effect on the economy. Even if it's indirect, it's there. The wild-eyed free-jazz cats put on a gig, someone from the audience goes home later that night and composes some electronica in response; he plays it to his buddy who writes soundtracks for Saatchi & Saatchi, his buddy goes off later that week and writes some new music for the ad he's working on, having drawn inspiration from his mate's electronica, and next thing you know something of the essence of the wild-eyed free-jazz music (mutated and translated but still there) shows up on prime-time television selling toothpaste. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 12:33:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41387-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12336 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:40:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 12326 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:40:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:33:30 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx v dish wrote: > why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of digital > and post-digital audio culture without discussion of marxism? because that's like saying why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of icecream without discussing boysenberry flavour. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 12:00:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41386-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99878 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:07:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 99867 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:07:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 04:00:37 -0800 (PST) From: guiver ben <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anti-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EEgQn7Go0PMz/7oyIdsCeJkOWjGP62U1+de6JZyaov8jyqEZEAm2ik8RjWnirUEJpLevkc3VbwzYRwC1xjE25ESnZtccOa0lg6TPaH5fZTPlCw8rjlnRx5+PceRCRI8i1NpgoiLLyseJkIvgHKIN0J3t7XELhWNBTbNh4JmbIxA=; X-YMail-OSG: MOWveKEVM1kwpn2m1wotnysThkiO5cRanqqgQUp.mhg_iHEOmH3RvSeS1TggMXxZNcaaKeR4cyo04REqeTz0.IH3psW6EKfq.Nq_gzdtiuWXA87dO6mdHWNSh54EBNSwJc8Nc_IReec2wUluhRZ9zdVskUNjcQOVwR_HGZ54yQozRthMlmjS5PGz0Wqv X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx didnt think that was the point Kim's making, discussing different philosophical outlooks / pov's would make for a more diverse and richer discussion. sounds like things could be getting argumentative....this might not help....and there is a lot of contempt at times on this list, i've noted this and its a drag and unnecessary. dont feel unnecessarily excluded..... and yes swapping mp3's, myspace stuff might be better done on the announce list or off list to maintain a certain focus. i'm subbed to the announce list too.... best ben --- Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Seems to me that only certain philosophies are > acceptable (especially > ones having to do with marxists povs).. and > obviously if yours is not a > supported one then yours must be that of an > anti-intellectual. > > > Style > The way in which something is said, done, expressed, > or performed: a > style of speech and writing. > The combination of distinctive features of literary > or artistic > expression, execution, or performance characterizing > a particular > person, group, school, or era. > > Philosophy > 1. the rational investigation of the truths and > principles of being, > knowledge, or conduct. > 2. any of the three branches, namely natural > philosophy, moral > philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are > accepted as composing > this study. > > The difference seems clear to me. > > --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > wrote: > > > the purpose of microsound is to foster > philosophical discourse > > about > > > digital music > > > > The purpose is described on the microsound > homepage as follows: > > > > .microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented > toward discussion > > of the styles of digital and post-digital music > promulgated by the > > proliferation and widespread adoption of digital > signal processing > > (dsp) tools. > > > > My reading of "styles" is somewhat narrower than > "philosophical > > discourse" -- not that I have anything against > philosophical > > discourse. 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Sat Jan 27 05:11:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41385-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62999 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:18:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 62987 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:18:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:13 -0500 From: v dish <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z+3XZRSj/ky3W2fLMRCQuQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KPktDkcJVmeDq6DRvfzd8TSl8txnzfTyHhpYGYLVH/fnaKC5zJRhpB0tWyOH/F+9JCk/oGmn8U29B51M/Xl9Gm9b0q4yWM5axWxvz//4OF71/d6EDvE0o2mjV+LZyreyb+BKB0qu9aqKLx1JLwPCI6JsQ9TXjqArqa98peDgRwY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_z+3XZRSj/ky3W2fLMRCQuQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why can't this list be geared toward a philosophical discussion of digital and post-digital audio culture without discussion of marxism? On 1/26/07, Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > > > if you want the fanboy sort of thing > > I implore you to unsub from microsound and go start your own list > > on yahoogroups > > there you will be free to announce your new mp3s, post software > > reviews, chat about all the cool new CD packaging > > and send each other MySpace URL's > > ad nauseam > > > > I'm sorry to keep repeating this over and over but... > > that is not why the founders started the microsound list > > > > rigorous discussions on digital aesthetics are welcomed and > > encouraged here > > you want fluff? go elsewhere > > whether or not this is in reference to my previous post, i would like > to state that: > > 1) as stated, i am interested in theory and philosophy myself, but i > also believe there are better, more rigorous and generally useful > forums for that; > 2) i am not 'anti-intellectual'... in fact, i am pro-intellectual, if > such a thing exists, which is why i find the piecemeal nature of the > marxist banter here unbecoming; > 3) i am definitely not a fanboy and suspect many of the people here > who have a problem with the torrent of karl aren't either... i just > want intelligent discussion of music, not marxist analyses of the > middle class as they relate to the apple iphone. > > i hope nobody is taking my (or most other peoples' constructively > critical) comments personally. in the spirit of pro-intellectualism, > we should be able to discuss these things without getting upset, right? > > - jon. > > > > > ... ... ... ... ... ... ... > dizzydonor.org > > > --Boundary_(ID_z+3XZRSj/ky3W2fLMRCQuQ)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 01:59:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41384-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91820 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:06:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 91810 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:06:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:59:33 +1100 From: Jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] pro-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LN218IbCkrqINEihTP3ikg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-IronPort-AV: i="4.13,245,1167571800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="76659536:sNHT36816563" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_LN218IbCkrqINEihTP3ikg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > if you want the fanboy sort of thing > I implore you to unsub from microsound and go start your own list > on yahoogroups > there you will be free to announce your new mp3s, post software > reviews, chat about all the cool new CD packaging > and send each other MySpace URL's > ad nauseam > > I'm sorry to keep repeating this over and over but... > that is not why the founders started the microsound list > > rigorous discussions on digital aesthetics are welcomed and > encouraged here > you want fluff? go elsewhere whether or not this is in reference to my previous post, i would like to state that: 1) as stated, i am interested in theory and philosophy myself, but i also believe there are better, more rigorous and generally useful forums for that; 2) i am not 'anti-intellectual'... in fact, i am pro-intellectual, if such a thing exists, which is why i find the piecemeal nature of the marxist banter here unbecoming; 3) i am definitely not a fanboy and suspect many of the people here who have a problem with the torrent of karl aren't either... i just want intelligent discussion of music, not marxist analyses of the middle class as they relate to the apple iphone. i hope nobody is taking my (or most other peoples' constructively critical) comments personally. in the spirit of pro-intellectualism, we should be able to discuss these things without getting upset, right? - jon. .... ... ... ... ... ... ... dizzydonor.org --Boundary_(ID_LN218IbCkrqINEihTP3ikg)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 00:29:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41383-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52140 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:36:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 52130 invoked from network); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:36:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:29:42 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q4ers580ldCWgZ3dMzvG397kgGlUg1pdMhvcr+ienqLkQvK7IDzMae24K8OJtWmb2FJarlwNKbSfXynZ+yAam5yFBfHh7+4B0KFCDFacK9p9JruhDOnKkQO0lqdey7W4qHSs3x1L/4FNeG1o6zpNtWM2bnJHytnErLUgLPIbs5Y= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, especially since the best microsound is in the mind...tools can't express it like I think it. Hah! Let's do a remix of the Soviet National Anthem contest. (In jest,) ~Kyle On 1/26/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > one might well conclude that the tools themselves are off-topic -- or > at best, peripheral. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 23:26:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41382-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25554 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:32:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 25542 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:32:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:25:50 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GTY0D404jjUGbqt67DAOs8Wg0+P6+g7aqQvixb4X8Wk7ItjyC3gyqdeBVG2Ds7vlZu44qgDEi3kW/UaXlZQp/5ZBY6GcZF9U3+dZbiyWIbJ1pzwiflJW6TtAcFFWhymXmP/kN98BCIqOLbPw8erenbjJ1YP35fdZeVT2AGTLOQY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/26/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hahahahahhaha go off on a tangent to talk about the R1. Come on. That's funny. Well, if the list is billed as: "an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing (dsp) tools", one might well conclude that the tools themselves are off-topic -- or at best, peripheral. -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 23:17:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41381-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20727 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:24:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 20714 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:24:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:17:48 -0700 From: "Luke Iannini (pd)" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dcMykMW3fZPEqJlQ94XcaOgohoVuSFH57CqT49vDasz1PKcZ7vjQ2qsVYZzRv2kFC64GnpHPfKpY8vqcTHE51Dr09Ibf6Rj+rjRYfzBGS9NdWFm+cZoM2kztDYzGEoSMdlBoUfOY20GIl6n/30wMuYUB8cUjmhIA5CX7X6KGlbk= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hahahahahhaha go off on a tangent to talk about the R1. Come on. That's funny. On 1/26/07, Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > at risk for castigation for going off on a tangent, how do you like > the edirol r1? i'm going to istanbul in april and am considering > purchase of a microsized recording device. tia. > > kevin paul > abq, nm > > > > > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > > grab anything interesting ... > > > > -- > > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 23:08:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41380-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15620 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:15:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 15582 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:15:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:08:10 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Awsome! Lets get a project going so we can possibly redirect the vibe on this list which seems to be veering all over the place of late... aLEKs On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > a .pdf of the first chapter only > was uploaded to the repository > in the reading dir. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 22:59:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41379-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10094 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:06:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 10077 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:06:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:59:36 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] a primer in marxist asthetics To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a .pdf of the first chapter only was uploaded to the repository in the reading dir. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:59:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41378-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75597 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:05:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 75563 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:05:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anti-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: eDxztVgVM1nSSAey9.YOAH0WyGkofULPMkRiL9jEW7JtLcBgSC0YIrYoZHcndswbUpqh3eNaih7enCEPpjq5W3Q3xU_ZmzbcDHUx9jWfXgwA.wd2981JariD1IsdwfsGc4jhzIDYnBuv.6w8jb6fuL0choTvsPK1 X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Seems to me that only certain philosophies are acceptable (especially ones having to do with marxists povs).. and obviously if yours is not a supported one then yours must be that of an anti-intellectual. Style The way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed: a style of speech and writing. The combination of distinctive features of literary or artistic expression, execution, or performance characterizing a particular person, group, school, or era. Philosophy 1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct. 2. any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study. The difference seems clear to me. --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > the purpose of microsound is to foster philosophical discourse > about > > digital music > > The purpose is described on the microsound homepage as follows: > > .microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion > of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the > proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing > (dsp) tools. > > My reading of "styles" is somewhat narrower than "philosophical > discourse" -- not that I have anything against philosophical > discourse. What about the rest of you? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:42:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41377-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65770 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:48:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 65741 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:48:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:03 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] anti-intellectualism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O+CpJmTA1X63onKzZ+fokhI5GFxBKSUUihOCk2//z3QLJmCYUpCbGPyO7QHLAkK4DYgXnHEy0GHD1Ny+J+riLlkdK7Fh7w0OchfqpnWUJJebbTkvyWgzpOrX2HLL7079Ak/WajAnwkoDpqY2NxuiIWZF1CKWfEdrJHZGHT7axNo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > the purpose of microsound is to foster philosophical discourse about > digital music The purpose is described on the microsound homepage as follows: ..microsound is an unmediated mailing list oriented toward discussion of the styles of digital and post-digital music promulgated by the proliferation and widespread adoption of digital signal processing (dsp) tools. My reading of "styles" is somewhat narrower than "philosophical discourse" -- not that I have anything against philosophical discourse. What about the rest of you? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:27:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41376-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54532 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:34:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 54519 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:34:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:27:28 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] anti-intellectualism To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_J+RjJHv7l/oYBuO98RMqZg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_J+RjJHv7l/oYBuO98RMqZg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is a rampant anti-intellectualism displayed by people on this list who have somehow misjudged its purpose the purpose of microsound is to foster philosophical discourse about digital music not just weigh in on topics with personal opinions there is a very important legacy in aesthetics of Marxist critique [good place to start BTW is Macdonald Daly's -- 'A Primer in Marxist Aesthetics'] and I see no reason not to discuss the foundation of Marxist philosophy with other list members in order for them to gain a better understanding and further engage in discussions that might include Marxist thought I find that most of the anti-intellectualism on this list can be attributed one thing: people's desire to turn the microsound list into a fanboy trainspotting list because they would rather be 'entertained' and don't want to challenged by philosophical discussions because it is uncomfortable for them if you want the fanboy sort of thing I implore you to unsub from microsound and go start your own list on yahoogroups there you will be free to announce your new mp3s, post software reviews, chat about all the cool new CD packaging and send each other MySpace URL's ad nauseam I'm sorry to keep repeating this over and over but... that is not why the founders started the microsound list rigorous discussions on digital aesthetics are welcomed and encouraged here you want fluff? go elsewhere --Boundary_(ID_J+RjJHv7l/oYBuO98RMqZg)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:12:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41374-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43967 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:18:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 43953 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:18:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:11:52 -0700 From: Kevin Paul <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BirxHfgz1Fx4TrPeql7pJFIC2Yid9XIvFeKXt61cs3BWPi3R98yV8o3YMtpXwSoxZgCPtMU5DypPcOGDlNz9BGEax3or9EEm41Scuqylq3RpxO3srZOdbMTu5PFAW59fEUZTIF7i2aB7aVWGDGMQtQ2Fd1ELg5aVFcYaWumnIUg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx at risk for castigation for going off on a tangent, how do you like the edirol r1? i'm going to istanbul in april and am considering purchase of a microsized recording device. tia. kevin paul abq, nm > > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > grab anything interesting ... > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 21:06:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41373-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40222 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:13:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 40206 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:13:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:08:25 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Fwd: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <00e001c74186$52b909f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DMCA Notice to the site's ISP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA#Example_of_DMCA_Takedown_Provision Chris Bryan wrote: > So, my label's releases are up for sale illegally on this website 2. > I know there have been posts in the past regarding this happening > before. Anyone have any experience with what to do about this? > -chris > (1.8)sec.records > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Afe Records <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:12 PM > Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ > To: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx > > > [Segue versione italiana] > > Hello, I recently discovered this website: http://boxmp3.net/ > > They are illegally selling hundreds and hundreds of albums in mp3 format. > > I was quite surprise to discover that some of my music is included along > with many other well-known and lesser-known artists operating in the > experimental/ambient/alternative scene. > > I don't know what can be done to stop the unauthorized selling, but I think > that the first step is to inform all the artists and labels. > > I invite you to check if your music is available on such website (...and > there is a high chance that it is, including albums released in very > limited > editions...) and to spread this news to all your friends, musicians, > newsgroups, myspace pages, etc. > > Thanks for reading, ciao! > > (8-) Andrea > > > > Ciao, oggi ho scoperto l'esistenza di questo sito: http://boxmp3.net/ > > Su tale sito è possibile acquistare centinaia, migliaia di albums in > formato > mp3. > > Sono rimasto piuttosto sopreso di scoprire che anche alcuni miei dischi > sono > scaricabili insieme a un sacco di altri albums di musicisti operanti nel > settore della sperimentazione. > > Non ho idea di che cosa si possa fare per fermare questa vendita non > autorizzata, ma credo che il primo passo da fare sia quello di informare > dell'accaduto il maggior numero possibile di musicisti ed etichette. > > Vi invito a controllare se la vostra musica è disponibile sul sito in > oggetto (...ed è molto probabile che lo sia, comprese album editi in > pochissimi esemplari...) e a inoltrare questo messaggio a tutti i vostri > contatti in ambito musicale e, soprattutto, newsgroups, forums, pagine > myspace, etc. > > Grazie per l'attenzione, ciao! > > (8-) Andrea > > Afe Records www.aferecords.com > Andrea Marutti www.aferecords.com/am > Amon / Never Known www.aferecords.com/ank > The Afeman on MySpace www.myspace.com/afeman > Afe Records on MySpace www.myspace.com/aferecords > Afe Pins on MySpace www.myspace.com/afepins > The Afeman's pictures on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/afeman > > Andrea Marutti > Via Villoresi, 5 > 20143 Milano > Italy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 20:59:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41372-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36389 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:06:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 36379 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:06:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:59:33 -0600 From: Chris Bryan <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Fwd: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ In-reply-to: <00e001c74186$52b909f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CLdNPL20qV1loumc7lGKx4c3LWfNNVYoEhP2s3wFzqLra3uojroSnxF2vGLP51TJgec+FZpkL3Ev61tLTEhE3o1//eWYOfzbtjinsE0IjrNTJQjueSVGu3WbxIa4IxpxbcoZ49cRnfIuK9meUGSRguF/LfP76bV6MD6ujsy4kBo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <00e001c74186$52b909f0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx So, my label's releases are up for sale illegally on this website 2. I know there have been posts in the past regarding this happening before. Anyone have any experience with what to do about this? -chris (1.8)sec.records ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Afe Records <xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE - illegal mp3s selling on http://boxmp3.net/ To: xxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx [Segue versione italiana] Hello, I recently discovered this website: http://boxmp3.net/ They are illegally selling hundreds and hundreds of albums in mp3 format. I was quite surprise to discover that some of my music is included along with many other well-known and lesser-known artists operating in the experimental/ambient/alternative scene. I don't know what can be done to stop the unauthorized selling, but I think that the first step is to inform all the artists and labels. I invite you to check if your music is available on such website (...and there is a high chance that it is, including albums released in very limited editions...) and to spread this news to all your friends, musicians, newsgroups, myspace pages, etc. Thanks for reading, ciao! (8-) Andrea Ciao, oggi ho scoperto l'esistenza di questo sito: http://boxmp3.net/ Su tale sito è possibile acquistare centinaia, migliaia di albums in formato mp3. Sono rimasto piuttosto sopreso di scoprire che anche alcuni miei dischi sono scaricabili insieme a un sacco di altri albums di musicisti operanti nel settore della sperimentazione. Non ho idea di che cosa si possa fare per fermare questa vendita non autorizzata, ma credo che il primo passo da fare sia quello di informare dell'accaduto il maggior numero possibile di musicisti ed etichette. Vi invito a controllare se la vostra musica è disponibile sul sito in oggetto (...ed è molto probabile che lo sia, comprese album editi in pochissimi esemplari...) e a inoltrare questo messaggio a tutti i vostri contatti in ambito musicale e, soprattutto, newsgroups, forums, pagine myspace, etc. Grazie per l'attenzione, ciao! (8-) Andrea Afe Records www.aferecords.com Andrea Marutti www.aferecords.com/am Amon / Never Known www.aferecords.com/ank The Afeman on MySpace www.myspace.com/afeman Afe Records on MySpace www.myspace.com/aferecords Afe Pins on MySpace www.myspace.com/afepins The Afeman's pictures on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/afeman Andrea Marutti Via Villoresi, 5 20143 Milano Italy -- |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| (1.8)sec.records www.1pt8.com <---hey look, it's a .com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Two (1.8)sec.records releases featured on xstream-radio top 10 http://xstreamradio.free.fr/topten.htm |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| || 3x3is9 - Data Errors + Field Recordings mp3 EP on Robotopera [o.o] )))) http://robotopera.yearofthemachine.com/rop-003.php |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 19:30:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41371-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84381 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:36:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 84368 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:36:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 8uEDpdQVM1ljfIZ_LPo6q5K_EEakck7KHkm7w_1NTDyLk8nlYmXpVc8zG9jJCyTvoUPb3blS.gK9YMsDuh9px3b4mmT6R6c0ogrQxyyJXrWG.Fy_sNZKwz7GH6zEpFWpkeZZ1PkRJt8USgc- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Watch out for this if u protest, your tax dollars may cook you alive > in the very near future! What happened to good ole tear gas???? There's nothing better than propaganda to make people fearful of "non-lethal" weapons. Actually it'd be awesome if the gov would use such a thing on US citizens.. maybe then people would actually "do something". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 19:09:17 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41370-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73343 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 73331 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:09:04 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Watch out for this if u protest, your tax dollars may cook you alive in the very near future! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6300985.stm I wish more people would take the initiative, or at least get off of there asses and get involved. I also think this would be a great subject matter for a Project. aLEKs On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:28 PM, john saylor wrote: > hi > > On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a >> new microsound project? > > i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can > grab anything interesting ... > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 18:28:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41369-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52474 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:35:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 52462 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:35:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:28:29 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j+C1zHtOY+vQasRcgc3A/3iPZVMVtpUng6t8+1xdTpSNcwN7RWjWkXjZPgtfm8EgAqttGoL57S85A2rTTsEqsR0d1EHxmEmiIHKjpvEuPcRHJ7yGTND94h5FpF+AYsCn4boRHCMGzODvCSBD3suFPs+pn3PyPPwkcwgiFaO61CY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/26/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a > new microsound project? i'm gonna be in boston- so i'll bring my edirol r1 and see if i can grab anything interesting ... -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 17:54:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41368-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34196 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 34179 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:01:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:54:26 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] jan 27 protest To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uoWU5tXDMKGXYG2MjlsEPg)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_uoWU5tXDMKGXYG2MjlsEPg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to US citizens: I encourage you to get out there and have your voice heard tomorrow check this web site for info on a protest in a city near you: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/ maybe some interesting protest recordings could form the basis of a new microsound project? --Boundary_(ID_uoWU5tXDMKGXYG2MjlsEPg)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 14:41:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41367-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33795 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:48:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 33784 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:48:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:41:46 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PUMk4vbX2YcraunEKytlbLroxd6xmwYQAt7rNbY8rnhKF0JU5pMZuSSgbTuu0Nduv3stq8QgvIJBjts/PwFUFhhaX/or5Pj5RpAeW+rrdXpsf5AobzUowgEM0gvw7LBdl51or0CLSWJLfsW951lsLYgaX4jkGNpU03GEAd/N7j8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Great! It's especially hilarious since Al Gore is an Apple board member. This quote is particularly appealing, and On Topic for this Off Topic thread: "Someone important once said 'It is difficult to get a man to understand the need for something when he already has it in his pocket.'" ~Kyle On 1/26/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/25/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... > > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html > > And more still: > > http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/911.html > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 26 12:18:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41366-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64850 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:25:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 64837 invoked from network); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:25:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:18:31 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DDOBjnHL1p2yFEmVTuIYGv9CRrwSAUmx8muMz+40rzQLN34OAbf5kztLPXdQcKIgRgGXr0JmWadJ6BsAUjeSA5ya66A2j761szK91x3yO+N0UFuXr2qUIfj6u5TtXxJRF0gzeIntzgXrAbrmTMMDgYBOM04NAiIvIf/7smYylW8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/25/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html And more still: http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/911.html -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:45:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41365-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43946 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:52:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 43936 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:52:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:43:50 -0800 From: gerwin <xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PocoMail 4.1 (3650) - Licensed Version Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dude. so you learned a grate deal from some listfolk on the various topics that have been explored. good for you. > As far as middle-class crap. Read 'Lies My Teacher Told Me' by > James W. Loewen. I am still reading it and it will contradict > all the crap you have been say thus far. this is brilliant. it's just about the most inarticulate response to the challenges posed by the current discussion that i can imagine. you *really* put those left-wing wackos in their place. and once you're done reading that important text, do report your findings to us. tell it like it is! the degree of hostility to any kind of complex intellectual engagement or rumination continues to amaze me. what's up with that? where does that *fear* come from? what's grating you? read a book. make some connections. bring the love. don't be afraid. gerwin. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:32:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41364-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34977 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:38:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 34952 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:38:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:29:39 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx good. shit. art. http://www.clioawards.com/winners/index.cfm On 25-Jan-07, at 3:16 PM, Steven McLeod wrote: > "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and > that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned > with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses > psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life > will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, > sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the > way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose > one could say that, not my asthetic tho... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" > <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > > >> Hallo, >> Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing >>> as an >>> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done >>> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good >>> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. >>> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. >> >> Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing >> uses >> these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't >> make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. >> >> Ciao >> -- >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: >> 23/01/2007 08:02 >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:16:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41363-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24829 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:23:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 24819 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:23:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:16:18 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "Good marketing/advertising" is designed for one thing only and that is you to give the company your cash. They are not concerned with anything else. As an artform it is manipulative and uses psycholgical techniques designed to make one believe their life will be better as a result of buying into the product/lifestyle, sounds like a shit form of art to me, be as well saying that the way governments manipulate the populase can be an artform..'spose one could say that, not my asthetic tho... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Barknecht" <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume > Hallo, > Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: > >> i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing as an >> art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done >> poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good >> advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. >> there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. > > Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing uses > these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't > make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.7/647 - Release Date: 23/01/2007 > 08:02 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 20:15:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41362-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23650 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:22:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 23637 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:22:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 5mtgMq8VM1lRUjeXHr0RlfEVsqDwlehg4qvhC.fl3vlqlzZuXAZgSlq6mGcWxyiVpszFduoVTmkZAfYr3PGFeZ.VT4APMIucz29gh1PGzHFjfbfMJ_Q- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending the > marketing didn't get to you.... You owe me ten bucks.. The best thing about the apple ipods and stuff is that there is pleothora of accesories.. I bought a cheaper mp3 player several years ago and have never been able to find a usb car lighter adpater that worked with it short of buying an invertor and even then I can't listen while it freaking recharges. So for the premium price of apple products you can be sure that you'll beable to get all the realworld widgets you need to make use of it. Marketing??? Whatever... my cellphone is 6 year old nokia that I only recently discovered can send text messages..yeah! Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 19:56:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41361-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11097 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:02:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 11086 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:02:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:11 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] evolutionary musical organism To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=McE1RLcDB5Ufk1DdwExAbCjCmnO75e7vAwoGk34EpU1FD/o5eNaKIqN28kkxGXW/5GvCsg4L6/RCo9mfsasWgYXbc8hzgtXdDagb36IViCHMtqZlidbFo9m3znxIaafnKTKi4F12Nok0fdPxzIstke7AZqH3VwEC9jwaB+CAFCo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I don't think anything about this has been posted here yet. http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/009294.php Don't have time to look further into it myself, and there's always a danger that I'll forget, so here's the URL for anyone with free time at the moment... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 16:10:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41360-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78613 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:17:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 78594 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:17:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:10:19 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lsoIEOw0EJP8zbcsQY2/hy4yeCnxARrKzdP7mnB+9w+BgdhIW5d2osHJxQQoryWAMuKmLo4mRiLkR0PEecgjfA7HfGPbrxtsPlXF6GS1v30zWutWhWfo+e5+IQBU0Ganka8eRBioHk/bY8Mmdhv00QcwepRoJK7hJGqyzZrtMnI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hahaha, that was quite amusing. I love McSweeny's, thanks for sharing. ~Kyle On 1/25/07, Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/19/07, emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnIajyXDLs&mode=related&search= > > A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... > > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 15:19:08 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41359-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45254 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:25:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 45241 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:25:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:18:55 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPhone fun (OT) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hkAaWua9v4HyTm09K2+jBaqEUqlepr/Y6Ib4beH9Vreb+2jRk4pgiR1jB6iJ6wmo8lmJ7R8xvQHeF736tH1xD76cQugUCsHoukjMdSTME51A6egkfiVzbhAFEC8LuksvHyGIH2EUgL0vLIGl5eda38N8HuMIdJ2coqtUKD0qRJc= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 1/19/07, emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnIajyXDLs&mode=related&search= A bit more fun, in case you haven't seen it already... http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/1/11cahr.html -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 04:15:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41358-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59868 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:22:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 59858 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:22:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:15:41 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] "Most Horrible Sound in the World" To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The "sound 101" site mentioned below is pretty amusing - take the test! [links and formatting in original] http://tinyurl.com/2mkhmt January 24, 2007, 10:00 am Most Horrible Sound in the World By Tom Zeller Jr. A British researcher says he has uncovered what he believes is the most horrible sound in the world — or at least it was rated the most horrible of 34 sample sounds listened to by over a million Internet participants over the last year. A professor at Britain's Salford University, Trevor Cox, claims to have reached a new plateau in the understanding of human hearing and acoustics, based on a year of input from of over a million online test subjects: Vomiting is the worst sound ever. Or, at least, vomiting as recorded for Professor Cox's acoustics tests, and as performed by a hired actor using a bucket of diluted baked beans to recreate the sound of cascading slop. “I am driven by a scientific curiosity about why people shudder at certain sounds and not others,” Professor Cox said at his Web site. "We are pre-programmed to be repulsed by horrible things such as vomiting, as it is fundamental to staying alive to avoid nasty stuff but, interestingly, the voting patterns from the sound did not match expectation for a pure‘disgust’reaction.” (Readers who feel brave, and wish to listen to the foul sound clip can do so here, but be warned: it sounds, well, like someone vomiting.) As Britain's Guardian newspaper put it today: The study...sought opinions on 34 sounds at the Web site http://www.sound101.org in the hope of learning what makes certain noises so objectionable... The researchers expected sounds that evoke disgust to be near the top of the list, such as vomiting, coughing and spitting, eating an apple with the mouth open and a lengthy blast from a whoopee cushion. Revulsion to such sounds is partly governed by culture and partly an evolutionary legacy that helps us avoid picking up diseases. Indeed, the question of just how much of the “disgust” response is nature and how much is nurture has been a matter of some speculation. In 2004, researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, writing in the journal Biology Letters, suggested that they’d found evidence that the human proclivity to become disgusted by certain things — say, feces or rotting meat — was an instinctive and evolutionary response, developed to protect us from the risk of disease. Other researchers, BBC News pointed out at the time, attribute the disgust response to learned behavior. Clark McCauley, a professor of psychology at Bryn Mawr University College in Pennsylvania, spoke to The BBC: “What people today find disgusting goes far beyond what can be understood in the evolutionary sense,” Professor McCauley told BBC News Online. “This biological mechanism was taken up and extended to produce a much broader mechanism of revulsion at different cultural horizons. “For example, what counts for appropriate care of hair in our society is not the same as in some other societies.” (Readers who want to test their own stomachs can take a “Disgust Test” at the BBC, in which they are invited to rate a series of images — from a dirty soccer ball to rotting teeth — on a scale from “Not Disgusted” to “Very Disgusted.”) As for Professor Cox's disgusting sounds study, it's worth noting that the classic bad sound — fingernails on a chalkboard — ranked only 16th among the field of 34 horrible sounds. (Note, too, that researchers have explored whether human revulsion to that sound derives from its similarity to the warning cries of macaque monkeys — the idea being that our response to the scraping might be some residual reflex handed down from our ancestors.) Ranking No. 2, just after vomiting, was the sound of microphone feedback. And tying at number three were the sounds of many babies crying, and what was simply called a “horrible scraping” sound. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 01:40:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41357-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3682 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:47:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 3628 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:47:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:31 -0500 From: Derek Mason <xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class X-Originating-IP: 68.49.52.232 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxx-xx.xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.80) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Jan 2007 01:40:32 -0000 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jon, I fully agree. We have been reminded far too many times from Kim himself that this is a thread for microsound and the announce list is a different thread. I have learned a grate deal from most everyone's feedback on the various topics that have been explored. As far as middle-class crap. Read 'Lies My Teacher Told Me' by James W. Loewen. I am still reading it and it will contradict all the crap you have been say thus far. I just may bump off this thread again. Derek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> > To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:48:26 +1100 > > > i have to admit, even as someone who is really interested in politics, > history and critical theory, it's getting really tiresome the way > marxist rant clogs this list up every few weeks. not only that, but > it's really trite, too; and that figures, really, considering this is a > list about microsound, not about political theory (so it should follow > that it isn't quite the right forum to perfect an understanding of the > term 'bourgeois', for example). worse still, anyone who doesn't agree > or who contradicts this understanding of the world / society / > microsound is shouted down in a torrent of boring links and shabby > textual references. > > thank goodness for the handful of genuinely interesting people still > posting to this list. despite how much anyone wants to make it so, > microsound isn't 'left-wing' music. you should know well enough that a > style can't seal in meaning. all your references to punk should have > taught you that. > > best wishes, > jon. > > .. > dizzydonor.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 25 00:48:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41356-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77931 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 77918 invoked from network); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:48:26 +1100 From: jon <xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] history of the middle class In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-ISP: TPG Internet Australia http://www.tpg.com.au/ X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i have to admit, even as someone who is really interested in politics, history and critical theory, it's getting really tiresome the way marxist rant clogs this list up every few weeks. not only that, but it's really trite, too; and that figures, really, considering this is a list about microsound, not about political theory (so it should follow that it isn't quite the right forum to perfect an understanding of the term 'bourgeois', for example). worse still, anyone who doesn't agree or who contradicts this understanding of the world / society / microsound is shouted down in a torrent of boring links and shabby textual references. thank goodness for the handful of genuinely interesting people still posting to this list. despite how much anyone wants to make it so, microsound isn't 'left-wing' music. you should know well enough that a style can't seal in meaning. all your references to punk should have taught you that. best wishes, jon. ... dizzydonor.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 24 23:32:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41355-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31984 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:39:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 31973 invoked from network); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:39:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:03:03 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] history of the middle class To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I think that the 'Middle Class' was a tactical construction to combat > the growing threat of Marxism in the Post-WWII Western world. well it's a complex issue post WWII american businesses found that there would be difficulty in 'opening' european markets due to the proliferation of workers unions which was an outgrowth of and directly influenced by communist/ socialist/anarchist/marxist (I'll call this 'leftist' for ease of typing) parties so the US devised this program called the Marshall Plan which had two purposes: one was the help rebuild europe (in our own likeness) thereby establishing markets for the US overproduction of goods the other was to bust the unions and discourage 'leftist' political philosophy from spreading in europe thus making it cheaper for american businesses to operate there in order to understand the US situation you need to read a little about labor unions in the US most unions were rank and file pretty much 'leftist' while leftists have always had problems here in the US post- industrial revolution it wasn't until after WWII and the start of the cold war that the US started to bust the unions here as well witness the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 shortly afterwards McCarthy was made the head witch-hunter of the red scare and further made it verboten to be a leftist and/or join a union without suspicion of being a communist so when you use the term 'middle class' you have to realize that the term changed its meaning over the years (~20C onwards) from meaning blue collar/working class to a more inclusive term meaning blue and white collar workers so middle class was not something that was invented in the US but rather is a stratification which occurs under capitalism > Because socialist trends were developing and outright during the first > half of the 20th Century, there was a growing concern that the unruly > masses would rebel and take down the Bourgeoisie class. not really the bourgeoisie but the elite, ruling class, the capitalists, the wealthy, the captains of industry > > The easiest solution to this was to extend the concept of 'property > ownership' to include niceties like washing machines, personal > vehicles, houses, and the like. in marxism the phrase 'private property' doesn't refer to cars, appliances, etc this often confuses people 'private property' refers to the 'means of production' owned by capitalists i.e., it is privately owned and not state owned private property refers to the printing presses, assembly lines, automotive plants, steel foundries, etc owned by private corporations the items you mention are better termed 'commodities' the phenomenon you refer to is called 'commodity fetishism' (the desire to own goods aroused by marketing rather than need) > Then the dominant class could point to > these trinkets (which by no means match the real idea of property > ownership in terms of means of production) see above > and say, 'the Commies want > to take away your right to own these things,' and thus scare the lowly > serfs into protecting their minuscule treasures from the Red Devils. yes...but this is because they twisted the meaning of private property this is often used to further try and spread misinformation about leftist politics it is the means of production that should belong to the state which is made up of the people which we have mini-me versions of in the US in the form of workers collectives and cooperatives > So, in a sense, Marx DID predict the future. marx wasn't the first to have figured out where all this was headed...there were other thinkers in England and France who had covered similar ground but were less well known > But by writing it down, > the elite power structure was able to hedge the flow of history by > offering a palatable alternative by leveraging marketing, debt, and > greed. that all depends on what you mean by a palatable alternative...? is capitalism really a palatable alternative to self-governed autonomy? you also have to figure into this the aspect of societal control exercised by religion which set a precedent in offering consolation to the down-trodden and needy while it kept aristocracy and merchants and church elite fat and powerful for many years before capitalism evolved (due to mass production via machines) once a system of control is in place is it easy to replace or expand that system capitalism is anathema to what it started out to be: a system of self- correcting free markets which would benefit all citizens who participated it has turned into corporate feudalism in which only the top 2% benefit at the expense of the rest --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 24 17:52:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41354-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50072 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:59:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 50005 invoked from network); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:59:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:51:23 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Soundbikes In-reply-to: <p06200709c1da2ef1de88@[192.168.0.2]> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200701c1dd4c1ab640@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eOnu9G6dijw0Bqr6kSOEtw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <p06200709c1da2ef1de88@[192.168.0.2]> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_eOnu9G6dijw0Bqr6kSOEtw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thought y'all might find this interesting. R. STEIM presents a workshop and a lecture by soundbike artist Kaspar König. Soundbikes - BIKE YOUR BEAT by Kaspar König A workshop in which do-it-yourself manipulation of ordinairy bicycles leads to high-end sound-generators and performing instruments. Bring a bike and transform it together with the knowledge and enthousiasm of inventor-artist Kaspar König. Creating acoustic extensions for the bicycle sounds like a contradiction-in-terms to the design of a bicycle. In this workshop everybody is invited to discover the many sounds hidden in the bicycle itself and the bicycling. To make a regular bicycle-sound we can easily neglect the maintainance of a bicycle. By not only turning the bicycle upside down but by actively adding sound-sensors, we'll discover the possibilities of soundbiking. Add-ons can be everything from a playing-card and laundry wedges, to fully powered amplification for strings, microphones and all other things that fit the conditions of the soundbicycle and its creative maker. How can a bicycle brake become a brake beat? By turning the wheel regularly, a bicycle likely becomes a time-pulse or measure. By finding the right spots to control the sound input, more musical patterns can be discovered while the wheel is turning. Now it's up to our imagination to invent all kinds of little things we could try to mount on the existing mechanisms as well as discover new mechanisms. Can every bicycle become a musical instrument? Basically yes, if some parts are still rotating, sounds can be created. Although a full functional bicycle can ride on the streets and the street is the best trigger for the soundbike! Is there a composition in the street? That is a good question. For many reasons I believe several streets sound better then others with and without the use of a soundbike, depending on the charactaristics of the bike and the street. Drive your soundbike outside and experience the biggest score of the world: the street! Let your ear decide! Location: STEIM, Achtergracht 19, Amsterdam Dates: Monday February 19 through Thursday February 22 Time: 10:00 - 17:00h Fee: ¤ 100 The fee for the workshop is ¤100, registration can be done only through the STEIM website, at http://www.steim.org/steim/workshops.php . For questions please email xxxxx@xxxxx.xx or call +31 206228690. Also: AUDIOSPORT Lecture A lecture on the works of Kaspar König: Recycling firehose, Transmitting Object Behaviours, Architectural Acoustic research (xiloseum), Mr. Bend and How sound meets sport in the festival called Audiolympics, Beijing 08. Location: STEIM, Utrechtsedwarsstraat 134, Amsterdam Date: Tuesday February 20 Time: 20:30h Entrance: free And: At the Y-helling (NDSM) on Saturday February 24 A concert with Kaspar König and guests playing the soundbikes and the circuitbended hardwarehacks like the Audioshaver from China. More information www.kasparkoenig.com Biography Kaspar König (1975) is a dutch artist living in Berlin and Maastricht . He studied Industrial Design at the UdK in Berlin. He is interested in the goods for daily use and their sound-universe. He invents instruments like the Soundbikes and Mr. Bend and he recycles firehoses in a delicate way. Furthermore he composes soundpieces for (dance) theatre. Recently he started working as a lecturer at the Cafa in Beijing. 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Mon Jan 22 22:14:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41353-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5434 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:20:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 5423 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:20:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:14:10 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] society of debt In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1581036,00.html?cnn=yes the iPhone suddenly doesn't look so bad... g. On 22-Jan-07, at 4:12 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the >> 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United >> States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of >> acquiring >> loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun >> intended). > yes this is a very interesting topic > in a nutshell: > during WWII the engines of production had been running full blast > it was the first time since the depression that the US had been > producing at that level > but of course most of the goods we were producing were going to the > war effort: > bombs, planes, uniforms, bullets, guns, walkie-talkies, etc. > were all being produced by a machine that had not existed before > this was the birth of the US military-industrial complex > companies had gotten fat off the war > and once it was over and > the soldiers came back home from the war > they needed to work > so factories were retooled for producing consumer goods > which had to produce x amount to be profitable > so we 'rebuilt' Europe and opened those markets to american goods > but in order to keep the home fires burning > we also needed to open US markets as well > so the automobile was marketed heavily and sold as part of the > american dream > as well as appliances for stay-at-home moms raising the kids > being born after WWII > this was called the 'baby boom' > problem was americans weren't consuming as much as corporations > needed them to > so the credit card was introduced > the first 'general purpose' credit or charge card in the US was the > Diners Club card -- introduced in 1950 > > check out a good documentary here: > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ > > so americans could now consume more than they produced > in other words: they were able to buy more than their salaries > would allow them to > and we have been on a steadily rising curve of consumption > we consume way more than we produce > and in order to sustain this > we are in debt > massive debt > as a nation and as a society > and marketing greases the engine of consumer debt > by making us believe that we need more than we actually do > which is a waste of resources and contributes to global warming > > another good documentary: > http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ > > > "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of > actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, > synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or > generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or > communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary > form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend > subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, > consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, > breadth, and fairness." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 22:03:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41352-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 98674 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 98658 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:03:31 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] society of debt In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ws9VQVyJMl+OuNPLsNcW5s/ash5GYfEgIgDYG4QqvRz8cg/uYrrqBhg/kbe7zjd/azDa48TIrrno05W/IvmhC6QnJBbfp6hofcg4+QvFPhAZQHD0bqksKVEm4NFcOIgWuGy7fEzgXXm/8xdGW6+taw7No5pnVqryFPfxwXSPKoI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is turning into a delightful discussion that touches some deep issues that have been plaguing my thoughts lately. I've been toying with an idea lately that somehow sprung up in my mind, but is more than likely mentioned in a paper or journal somewhere that I'm unaware of. I think that the 'Middle Class' was a tactical construction to combat the growing threat of Marxism in the Post-WWII Western world. Because socialist trends were developing and outright during the first half of the 20th Century, there was a growing concern that the unruly masses would rebel and take down the Bourgeoisie class. The easiest solution to this was to extend the concept of 'property ownership' to include niceties like washing machines, personal vehicles, houses, and the like. Then the dominant class could point to these trinkets (which by no means match the real idea of property ownership in terms of means of production) and say, 'the Commies want to take away your right to own these things,' and thus scare the lowly serfs into protecting their minuscule treasures from the Red Devils. So, in a sense, Marx DID predict the future. But by writing it down, the elite power structure was able to hedge the flow of history by offering a palatable alternative by leveraging marketing, debt, and greed. Thoughts on this? ~Kyle On 1/22/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the > > 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United > > States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of acquiring > > loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun > > intended). > yes this is a very interesting topic > in a nutshell: > during WWII the engines of production had been running full blast > it was the first time since the depression that the US had been > producing at that level > but of course most of the goods we were producing were going to the > war effort: > bombs, planes, uniforms, bullets, guns, walkie-talkies, etc. > were all being produced by a machine that had not existed before > this was the birth of the US military-industrial complex > companies had gotten fat off the war > and once it was over and > the soldiers came back home from the war > they needed to work > so factories were retooled for producing consumer goods > which had to produce x amount to be profitable > so we 'rebuilt' Europe and opened those markets to american goods > but in order to keep the home fires burning > we also needed to open US markets as well > so the automobile was marketed heavily and sold as part of the > american dream > as well as appliances for stay-at-home moms raising the kids > being born after WWII > this was called the 'baby boom' > problem was americans weren't consuming as much as corporations > needed them to > so the credit card was introduced > the first 'general purpose' credit or charge card in the US was the > Diners Club card -- introduced in 1950 > > check out a good documentary here: > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ > > so americans could now consume more than they produced > in other words: they were able to buy more than their salaries would > allow them to > and we have been on a steadily rising curve of consumption > we consume way more than we produce > and in order to sustain this > we are in debt > massive debt > as a nation and as a society > and marketing greases the engine of consumer debt > by making us believe that we need more than we actually do > which is a waste of resources and contributes to global warming > > another good documentary: > http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ > > > "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of > actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, > synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or > generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or > communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary > form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend > subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, > relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness." > > > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 21:12:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41351-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66543 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:18:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 66532 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:12:19 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] society of debt To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yxUxYFmOf14bmyKz//Q3hQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_yxUxYFmOf14bmyKz//Q3hQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the > 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United > States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of acquiring > loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun > intended). yes this is a very interesting topic in a nutshell: during WWII the engines of production had been running full blast it was the first time since the depression that the US had been producing at that level but of course most of the goods we were producing were going to the war effort: bombs, planes, uniforms, bullets, guns, walkie-talkies, etc. were all being produced by a machine that had not existed before this was the birth of the US military-industrial complex companies had gotten fat off the war and once it was over and the soldiers came back home from the war they needed to work so factories were retooled for producing consumer goods which had to produce x amount to be profitable so we 'rebuilt' Europe and opened those markets to american goods but in order to keep the home fires burning we also needed to open US markets as well so the automobile was marketed heavily and sold as part of the american dream as well as appliances for stay-at-home moms raising the kids being born after WWII this was called the 'baby boom' problem was americans weren't consuming as much as corporations needed them to so the credit card was introduced the first 'general purpose' credit or charge card in the US was the Diners Club card -- introduced in 1950 check out a good documentary here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ so americans could now consume more than they produced in other words: they were able to buy more than their salaries would allow them to and we have been on a steadily rising curve of consumption we consume way more than we produce and in order to sustain this we are in debt massive debt as a nation and as a society and marketing greases the engine of consumer debt by making us believe that we need more than we actually do which is a waste of resources and contributes to global warming another good documentary: http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness." --Boundary_(ID_yxUxYFmOf14bmyKz//Q3hQ)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 21:01:26 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41350-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59543 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:07:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 59520 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:07:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:05:10 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ten bucks In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx ah but you do use a mac! and you are pretending the marketing didn't get to you. i said: > here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending > the marketing didn't get to you.... and i'd argue that part of the marketing towards beginners is usability, osx-unix towards advanced users. of course they are just nice features too. look, it's all the same to me, but i'd never go as far as (for myself) stating that i'm immune to marketing just because i'm critical towards it. as you stated, it works on so many levels. you're going to have to do better than that ; ) Op 22-jan-07, om 21:44 heeft Kim Cascone het volgende geschreven: > a friends Dad worked for IBM for many years > back in 1979 or so I helped him unpack and set up the first IBM > computer sold on the market > I much preferred my KIM-1 single board microcomputer on which I had > taught myself Assembly Language > > in the late 80's I had been working as a sound editor in the film > industry > most people in film sound were very reluctant to make the switch > from 35mm mag to digital > they didn't think they were smart enough to work a computer > but Apple was invading the post production environment via a sound > editor called 'Alchemy' by Donny Blank > then Q-Sheet, Sound Designer and finally Sound Tools by Digidesign > which then became Pro Tools > > but it wasn't until 1989 that I bought my first Mac > it was more than I could afford and I wrote a Filemaker database to > track sales and inventory for my company Silent Records > we ran Silent on it for a year or so until salespeople needed > individual access to the database > then we needed to design catalogs and CD covers > then I started mastering all the CD's on the label > and we kept buying more and more Mac's > > so I can safely say that my use of Mac's was never really driven by > the mystification created by Apple > > but more of what OS was simpler for salespeople and artists to use > -- which at that time was Apple not Microsoft > > I now use both Linux and OS X because they are both based on UNIX > not because the marketing 'got to me' > > so please Paypal me 10 bucks > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 20:45:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41349-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52236 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:51:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 52204 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:51:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:44:39 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ten bucks To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx a friends Dad worked for IBM for many years back in 1979 or so I helped him unpack and set up the first IBM computer sold on the market I much preferred my KIM-1 single board microcomputer on which I had taught myself Assembly Language in the late 80's I had been working as a sound editor in the film industry most people in film sound were very reluctant to make the switch from 35mm mag to digital they didn't think they were smart enough to work a computer but Apple was invading the post production environment via a sound editor called 'Alchemy' by Donny Blank then Q-Sheet, Sound Designer and finally Sound Tools by Digidesign which then became Pro Tools but it wasn't until 1989 that I bought my first Mac it was more than I could afford and I wrote a Filemaker database to track sales and inventory for my company Silent Records we ran Silent on it for a year or so until salespeople needed individual access to the database then we needed to design catalogs and CD covers then I started mastering all the CD's on the label and we kept buying more and more Mac's so I can safely say that my use of Mac's was never really driven by the mystification created by Apple but more of what OS was simpler for salespeople and artists to use -- which at that time was Apple not Microsoft I now use both Linux and OS X because they are both based on UNIX not because the marketing 'got to me' so please Paypal me 10 bucks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 20:43:25 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41348-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50280 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:49:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 50269 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:49:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: peter lasell <x_xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.3 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UUfMGqAQUsfVbkHvR3HvlA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZgP4yNrYXSpWEy056K/taAS1qChXVFWZ+eUqg4/YS/MsHGrczpmdTdtz1TdGNudhKoVG5SFAgALCaIG8pRfzgu0DHqxZmS+QeLEKoeTRRqNruNmuvgwiXft0q9lVAtbwR251KhCyZwnNznFBqVmiorxNFKM6qdu6DTcIo/E73KQ=; X-YMail-OSG: s.nlUekVM1lTnK9jC0JIgkBvWnLh1xgiA5H82c3_p6UzXwYIF6OzQzoex1njPE0bHgm5gbF3lLDXSTOHzCxmudVZrXvaaDWlLbQmandhK7DVYl6BF0eoNGyMxk7lGHfawnPJXIphLfpY4Q-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UUfMGqAQUsfVbkHvR3HvlA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love this thread. 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Pronto mas info... 29.12.2006Photo report Pueblo Nuevo en Buenos Aires, Argentina [Hotel Youkali] http://www.pueblonuevo.cl/pn_site/index_news_youkali.htm sitios recomendados / recommended http://www.amencoma.cl [cl]http://www.theremyn4.com [pe]http://www.electrograph.gr [gr] http://www.impar.cl [cl]http://www.chiletransparente.cl [cl]http://www.ertza.net [es] http://www.manziping.cl [cl]http://www.neurotyka.org [cl]http://www.mus.cl [cl] Hasta la proxima, saludos! Mika Martini & Pueblo Nuevo Crew visita / visit: http://www.pueblonuevo.cl --Boundary_(ID_R4bhHbPQP5RTSNqzNB2bTw)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 17:24:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41345-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36155 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:30:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 36142 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:30:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:23:40 -0600 From: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] That will be quite enough. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Jason Hollis <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <003501c73e4a$0f465cc0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Too bad a few pompous cunts fee like they have to dominate every discussion, or pollute it with irrelevant off topic bullshit. Like, say, the maintainers. I'll miss a few of you. Bye now. ~!J! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 16:33:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41344-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4739 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:39:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 4729 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:39:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:33:00 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx hat gesagt: // xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > I am about to set up a new mac powerpc with OS X 10.4.8 and a linux > distribution with Parallel. I am downloading pure:dyne now. Does anyone > have any opinions about whether pure:dyne or ubuntu would be better to > run? I am working primarily with pd. The nice thing about pure:dyne is that it's a live CD, which means, that you don't need to install it to disk (but you can do so, if you like). AFAIK pure:dyne is one of the small number of Linux live CDs which actually boot on Intel-Macs. However pure:dyne also is still in development and may have some rough edges, especially on Intel-Macs. It probably is wise to subscribe to the pure:dyne mailing list to get support from the makers. Personally I'm not too fond of Ubuntu, but that's because I'm really old school when it comes to Linuxes: I just need a command line and I'm happy, I don't like all the graphical setup tools which come included in standard Ubuntu. However it's a great distribution for people who are new to Linux. The included Pd and Pd externals packages are a bit limited, though, and you may be better off in the long run if you install you're own version. This means: compiling, but compiling stuff is really not hard on Linux because all needed tools are already included and the triplet "configure && make && make install" is just as familiar to Linux users as double-clicking setup.exe is to Windows users. (And besides: For installing standard software packages, Ubuntu or Debian have even more comfortable tools like "Synaptic") Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 16:09:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41343-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88391 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:15:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 88317 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:15:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:08:38 -0600 (CST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5-1 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I am about to set up a new mac powerpc with OS X 10.4.8 and a linux distribution with Parallel. I am downloading pure:dyne now. Does anyone have any opinions about whether pure:dyne or ubuntu would be better to run? I am working primarily with pd. > Hallo, > Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> Looks good, I can't wait for it! > > Why wait? Ubuntustudio is just an Ubuntu with some special > preconfiguration and probably a kernel patched for insanely low > latencies. You can also install Ubuntu for now, or Debian or 64Studio > from http://64studio.com/ or run a pure:dyne live CD: > http://puredyne.goto10.org/ > > But I suppose you know that already. ;) > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 16:01:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41342-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83268 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:07:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 83257 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:07:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:01:33 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Looks good, I can't wait for it! Why wait? Ubuntustudio is just an Ubuntu with some special preconfiguration and probably a kernel patched for insanely low latencies. You can also install Ubuntu for now, or Debian or 64Studio from http://64studio.com/ or run a pure:dyne live CD: http://puredyne.goto10.org/ But I suppose you know that already. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 15:49:48 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41341-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76457 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:55:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 76418 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:55:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:49:30 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=agE8wT2wa+Xu1z+Raw5KEqpTFT1lgYXIZGqNv6OcM96h4t09Z94tLgP+ggS2EomSZI8Xltx+Vc94x+EHjMnhcb+JxD01LDKWg+EWGct9eK899aee8Dp/UjgJpWHduzuYt3Fa4QvKqJyumcDfLnJ+dXnI4MgQ0qHu3v1e4llxky0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 1/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > she was quite insane, i'll give you that. just like xenakis ... [or cage, or george clinton, or ...] it's pretty easy to reduce her [or anyone] to a glib dismissal. much more difficult to try and understand what drove her so, and what kind of relevance those ideas may or may not have for us now. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 15:17:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41340-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58476 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:24:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 58446 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:24:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:17:36 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nlXrCDirODKHeMfGS5v07Ud092G/Vhq+3FAeK/J5MjF+1jQTWIWaHAe8u8I7ebNskHhIDjqtlPAGZnP9ZE1RkqNdh3RXEuP3y9vDc+vcGfPxYfJB6Pob5d1ecYwrlRxgqVhhWfk+cAwXK4CkW0Pq+zQoSYU2SHgfaiZQX377IRY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Looks good, I can't wait for it! ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://ubuntustudio.org/ > > also check out the film '4' by Ilya Khrzhanovsky > very nice (although sometimes a tad overbearing) sound design > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 14:57:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41339-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49183 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:03:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 49164 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:03:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:56:49 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes. she was quite insane, i'll give you that. On 22-Jan-07, at 9:44 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > I did read almost the complete 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand, until I > got stuck on that damn 80 page brainwashingly repetitive John Galt > speech and realized that Ayn Rand was a lunatic reacting to her > twisted, idealist fascist upbringing with an equal and oppositely > idealist fascist reaction. > > ~Kyle > > On 1/21/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: >> now go out a read ayn rand like good little children:) >> >> g. > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 14:44:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41338-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41030 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:50:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 41014 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:50:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:44:05 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gao89gLcu3cPtA5bKPUmwvddgPbz0quG5/cvmldrX/nPtpXolnfbYyUa+68DA2ChWv+egNCYnkk59Lbdcx12vh6HbtWCJqtAIHQcOpziNfUsoTrSF2FBOurDYKCX0uVMg7wyYLLC0cn8/c8frMjta8khKNMc1L2MzbXVah7RISw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I did read almost the complete 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand, until I got stuck on that damn 80 page brainwashingly repetitive John Galt speech and realized that Ayn Rand was a lunatic reacting to her twisted, idealist fascist upbringing with an equal and oppositely idealist fascist reaction. ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > now go out a read ayn rand like good little children:) > > g. -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 14:41:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41337-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38664 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:47:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 38653 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:47:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:41:04 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C7o8Sl7+VWMA/j8Qli8mfBGr7t1UJZSSAxEFDYncc//SEBBUxGRZCYgRHbG6pKgD1pOgyzPbGnfrIFumI+7roCkqlPVNbD2mn6Wj+lj+0T7XWbeguUQ72Plt5Y6pOMSfJ1WQGx2EP6bjLB6NzcRxwi6Tw5X53W64wA8xQXwSXco= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Wait, is this a sarcastic joke? The operative word is 'new technology,' I suppose. Isn't a laptop fairly new? Maybe Kim's got something on this technology fetishism. ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > isjtar wrote: > > exactly. besides i've still to meet a laptop performer who doesn't get > > kicks from new tech. > > i'm a laptop performer. i don't get kicks from new technology. > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 13:27:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41336-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3476 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:34:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 3462 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:34:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:36:28 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Graham Miller hat gesagt: // Graham Miller wrote: > i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing as an > art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done > poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good > advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. > there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. Aesthetics, fonts and graphic design are not marketing. Marketing uses these things among other things to sell products, but that doesn't make good or bad design equal to good or bad marketing. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 09:07:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41335-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73462 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:13:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 73452 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:13:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:11:29 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200709c1da2ef1de88@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian Stewart wrote: >i'm a laptop performer. Is that something like being a lap dancer? R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 05:43:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41334-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3933 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:50:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 3921 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:50:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:43:44 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx dead dinosaurs! i don't hear them complaining. besides, what else are dead dinosaurs good for other than turning them into iPhones! On 22-Jan-07, at 12:34 AM, Damian Stewart wrote: > Graham Miller wrote: > >>> Excessive resource consumption. >> don't worry - i'm sure they'll make enough iPhones for everyone:) > > Um. That's exactly my point. Each iPhone uses enormous amounts of > fresh water and enormous amounts of dead dinosaurs, plus > (especially once you include shipping) results in the injection of > enormous amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. > > Err, unless that's what you were saying anyway :-) > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 05:35:00 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41333-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 921 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:41:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 910 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:41:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:34:26 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Graham Miller wrote: >> Excessive resource consumption. > > don't worry - i'm sure they'll make enough iPhones for everyone:) Um. That's exactly my point. Each iPhone uses enormous amounts of fresh water and enormous amounts of dead dinosaurs, plus (especially once you include shipping) results in the injection of enormous amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Err, unless that's what you were saying anyway :-) -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 04:34:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41332-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77207 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:41:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 77196 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:41:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:34:40 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ubuntustudio & 4 To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V5EpsK8PWTm92LCZ2mrlsA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_V5EpsK8PWTm92LCZ2mrlsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ubuntustudio.org/ also check out the film '4' by Ilya Khrzhanovsky very nice (although sometimes a tad overbearing) sound design --Boundary_(ID_V5EpsK8PWTm92LCZ2mrlsA)-- From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 04:27:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41331-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72477 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:33:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 72467 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:33:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:05 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> besides, what's so wrong with commodity fetishism? > > Excessive resource consumption. don't worry - i'm sure they'll make enough iPhones for everyone:) > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:54:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41330-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60124 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:00:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 60113 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:00:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:54:29 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Graham Miller wrote: > to assume that every corporation is made up of > the Evil Minions Of Commodity Fetishism is pretty naive unto itself. An argument (after The Corporation) can be made here that even though a particular corporation isn't full of the Evil Minions of Commodity Fetishism, this doesn't mean that the actions of said company don't require or bring about commodity fetishism. I'd say that technology companies, and in particular Apple, thrive on commodity fetishism, and to some extent require it to stay in business. iWant. > besides, what's so wrong with commodity fetishism? Excessive resource consumption. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:37:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41329-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51475 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:43:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 51464 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:43:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:37:35 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx fed-ex. On 21-Jan-07, at 10:31 PM, aleks vasic wrote: > Surely you are not insinuating that Kevin Federline is not > interesting? Please... :) > > > > aLEKs > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:31:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41328-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47967 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:37:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 47956 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:37:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:31:27 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Surely you are not insinuating that Kevin Federline is not interesting? Please... :) aLEKs On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > marketing isn't magic. it can only do so much. if the product > itself is no good, whether it is computer or kevin federline, no > amount of maketing in the world is going to insure that that > product succeeds in the marketplace. there is a reason why > products like madonna and apple are successful. because, at the > core (no pun intended), there is something there that people find > truly interesting, useful or appealing. > > g. > >> here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending >> the marketing didn't get to you.... >> >> >> >> Op 21-jan-07, om 21:24 heeft xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx het volgende >> geschreven: >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:24:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41327-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43081 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:30:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 43070 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:30:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:24:10 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx marketing isn't magic. it can only do so much. if the product itself is no good, whether it is computer or kevin federline, no amount of maketing in the world is going to insure that that product succeeds in the marketplace. there is a reason why products like madonna and apple are successful. because, at the core (no pun intended), there is something there that people find truly interesting, useful or appealing. g. > here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending > the marketing didn't get to you.... > > > > Op 21-jan-07, om 21:24 heeft xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx het volgende > geschreven: > >> Okay, you don't like the iPhone, we get it already. >> >> Johan. >> >> >>> - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex >>> issue >>> of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond >>> psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation >>> that corporations use to fleece the public >>> >>> - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to >>> mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols >>> (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) >>> >>> when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to >>> manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a >>> state of desire and fetishism in the consumer >>> >>> - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an >>> announcement >>> while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working >>> definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- >>> bite from the dictionary >>> >>> real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of >>> multiple >>> nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object >>> in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in >>> the performance of laptop music" >>> (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) >>> I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music >>> videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, >>> etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna >>> in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic >>> network which creates desire is formed by its combined power >>> >>> the iPhone is no different >>> as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all >>> the >>> Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market >>> response >>> of desire >>> >>> there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: >>> 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by >>> Paul Theberge >>> http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p >>> >>> which analyzes how musicians consume technology >>> >>> the point is to think critically about consumption >>> and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate >>> marketing >>> dept's >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 03:14:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41326-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39379 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:20:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 39341 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:20:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:13:54 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx 'any sound you can imagine' is a good book. but it's not really the marxist rant kim makes it out to be. it's far more objective and rational. i'd recommend it, even though it is pretty dated and never really addresses electronic music, microsound, techno, house, whatever. it's mostly concerned with pop and rock. as far as the rest of kim's post: you are criticizing people for over simplifying 'larger and more complex' issues and yet this kind of unilateral marxist thinking is just as much an oversimplification as anything here. in fact it strikes me as incredibly romantic. like when first year university students read 'das kapital' for the first time and run out and join some juvenile club that can't wait for the next TA strike so they can compare their protest pickets, still glistening wet with magic marker. i just can't believe anyone of intelligence can't see marketing as an art form unto itself. it's not evil. it's only bad when it's done poorly. i love good advertising. apple computers has good advertising. they understand aesthetics. fonts. graphic design. there is certainly not enough of it. i say more. not less. music is not just music. it's the entire sphere of 'larger and more complex' social relations that encompass it. that's what draws me toward ethnomusicology. it looks at the whole 'synergistic network' and calls that 'music.' it goes beyond the musician and sees the entire collaborative nexus of all the artists and different kinds of art forms that go into amking 'music.' i mean, how is me company any less significant than say björk in the way her music is articulated or perceived? to think that an ad or a video or an album cover has nothing to do with music is a major oversight and pretty damn square, if you ask me. and not in the waveform way. being hyper-aware of this so-called 'manipulation' only makes the experience more pleasurable when it is done well. media literacy is essential, no doubt, but to assume that every corporation is made up of the Evil Minions Of Commodity Fetishism is pretty naive unto itself. besides, what's so wrong with commodity fetishism? i think it's one of the defining attributes of humanity; this fact that we can ascribe some kind of psychic energy to our own creations, whether it is a rolex, a steak dinner, or a favourite CD. i don't see dolphins doing this. i for one, would like to retain this childlike propensity to be mystified by the world around us. that's where good art comes from. now go out a read ayn rand like good little children:) g. On 21-Jan-07, at 2:29 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex > issue of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to > respond psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of > manipulation that corporations use to fleece the public > > - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to > mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols > (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) > > when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to > manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a > state of desire and fetishism in the consumer > > - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement > while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working > definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- > bite from the dictionary > > real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of > multiple nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of > an object > in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception > in the performance of laptop music" > (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) > I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music > videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box > stores, etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as > Madonna > in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic > network which creates desire is formed by its combined power > > the iPhone is no different > as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all > the Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market > response of desire > > there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: > 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by > Paul Theberge > http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p > > which analyzes how musicians consume technology > > the point is to think critically about consumption > and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate > marketing dept's > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Jan 22 02:15:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41325-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16273 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:21:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 16260 invoked from network); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:21:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:14:57 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx isjtar wrote: > exactly. besides i've still to meet a laptop performer who doesn't get > kicks from new tech. i'm a laptop performer. i don't get kicks from new technology. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 23:25:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41324-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48722 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:31:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 48709 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:31:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:29:04 +0100 From: isjtar <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at okno.be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx exactly. besides i've still to meet a laptop performer who doesn't get kicks from new tech. yes it's marketing, yes it's bourgeois, but it has nice tech and could be great to hack with a version of linux + pd - if possible of course. the integration of technology in the thing is pretty nice even if i loathe the over flashy smoothness. here's ten bucks most of us own a mac and now don't go pretending the marketing didn't get to you.... Op 21-jan-07, om 21:24 heeft xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx het volgende geschreven: > Okay, you don't like the iPhone, we get it already. > > Johan. > > >> - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue >> of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond >> psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation >> that corporations use to fleece the public >> >> - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to >> mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols >> (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) >> >> when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to >> manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a >> state of desire and fetishism in the consumer >> >> - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an >> announcement >> while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working >> definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- >> bite from the dictionary >> >> real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple >> nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object >> in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in >> the performance of laptop music" >> (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) >> I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music >> videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, >> etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna >> in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic >> network which creates desire is formed by its combined power >> >> the iPhone is no different >> as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the >> Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response >> of desire >> >> there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: >> 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by >> Paul Theberge >> http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p >> >> which analyzes how musicians consume technology >> >> the point is to think critically about consumption >> and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing >> dept's >> >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 21:57:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41323-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14212 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:03:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 14202 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:03:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:57:13 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=se6jkUciRIxa3i3d5cm0BOdGIksWnEg++AY5HM0wO/1Bp704h+rIF7D8tFqCFbsjMLxgoCQukjZQtgFFyQp2qREF7ilYMc2v3Wt3Fidd4ZVtLA3PX0ix/LmBSqGdKnsx1iGkg9rZPAQWeCk4rdcFO6VCGwM/1lT1iRISXbz1CHw= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is interesting. Thank you for defining your terms more precisely. It's easy to confuse ideas and arguments when definitions are not presented and agreed upon prior to debate. I'm personally curious how companies use marketing to perpetuate the 'society of debt,' which encourages all walks of life in the United States to relinquish financial freedoms in the 'interest' of acquiring loans to pay for goods that they cannot immediately afford (no pun intended). It seems like debt has permeated our entire society: military spending, education, vehicle and home ownership, consumer credit, medical expenses, etc. I think that the type of marketing you refer to here is definitely a culprit in more than one of these symptoms of excess that an Instant Gratification Society exhibits. ~Kyle On 1/21/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue > of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond > psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation > that corporations use to fleece the public > > - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to > mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols > (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) > > when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to > manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a > state of desire and fetishism in the consumer > > - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement > while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working > definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- > bite from the dictionary > > real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple > nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object > in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in > the performance of laptop music" > (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) > I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music > videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, > etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna > in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic > network which creates desire is formed by its combined power > > the iPhone is no different > as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the > Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response > of desire > > there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: > 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by > Paul Theberge > http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p > > which analyzes how musicians consume technology > > the point is to think critically about consumption > and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing > dept's > > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 20:24:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41322-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72804 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:30:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 72794 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:30:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Okay, you don't like the iPhone, we get it already. Johan. > - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue > of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond > psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation > that corporations use to fleece the public > > - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to > mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols > (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) > > when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to > manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a > state of desire and fetishism in the consumer > > - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement > while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working > definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- > bite from the dictionary > > real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple > nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object > in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in > the performance of laptop music" > (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) > I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music > videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, > etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna > in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic > network which creates desire is formed by its combined power > > the iPhone is no different > as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the > Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response > of desire > > there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: > 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by > Paul Theberge > http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p > > which analyzes how musicians consume technology > > the point is to think critically about consumption > and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing > dept's > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 19:29:26 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41321-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45310 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:35:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 45298 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:35:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:29:14 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iConsume To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6RK0KKqw9BNEifobx7CQsQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_6RK0KKqw9BNEifobx7CQsQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - the thread on the iPhone touches on a larger and more complex issue of 'marketing' and how people are trained (via the media) to respond psychologically to the money lubricated mechanisms of manipulation that corporations use to fleece the public - corporations prey on our naiveté and childlike propensity to mystify and be mystified by new complex accumulations of symbols (mobile phone + touch-screen = must-have gadget) when I hear the term 'marketing' I take it to mean the ability to manipulate the media in order to project an 'aura' which arouses a state of desire and fetishism in the consumer - 'marketing' is much more complex than simply issuing an announcement while its quaint to quote the dictionary, real-world/working definitions are much too complex to encapsulate in a single sound- bite from the dictionary real-world marketing is a carefully constructed admixture of multiple nodes (a network) that creates the 'presence' or 'aura' of an object in the essay: "Grain, Sequence, System: three levels of reception in the performance of laptop music" (it's on the microsound Wiki if people want to read it) I point out that it is the _combination_ of TV advertising, music videos, web presence, press releases, CD displays at big-box stores, etc that creates a 'network of aura' for a pop-star such as Madonna in which the individual nodes exchange energy - i.e., a synergistic network which creates desire is formed by its combined power the iPhone is no different as Apple has placed the fetish of the iPhone appropriately in all the Internet locations where it would solicit the correct market response of desire there is an interesting book on the marketing of music tech titled: 'Any Sound You Can Imagine: Making Music/Consuming Technology' by Paul Theberge http://tinyurl.com/2rtk9p which analyzes how musicians consume technology the point is to think critically about consumption and not fall prey to the the fetishism created by corporate marketing dept's --Boundary_(ID_6RK0KKqw9BNEifobx7CQsQ)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 15:49:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41320-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46084 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:55:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 46073 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:55:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:48:54 -0500 From: mattyo <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Identified-User: {968:box60.bluehost.com:ostrowsk:ostrowski.info} {sentby:smtp auth 71.247.21.141 authed with x@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx} X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx You can tell from the below posts that the actual answer to your post is "not really." Meet the Composer has something called Global Connections that's worth looking at, and the Jerome Foundation does something as well. Another group called CEC ArtsLink funds stuf to Eastern Europe & central asia, but it's not just for gigs -- you need to do some kind of co-project with the locals. None of these are very useful if you get invited to some underfunded festival in western Europe, however -- they tend to be more oriented towards places that have less money sloshing around. There is no American Pro Helvetia -- we are only concerned about exporting Hollywood culture. \M On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:01, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Same here (although Pd on iPhone would be drool-worthy ;-) ). > > ~Kyle > > On 1/19/07, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> Not all that off-topic and certainly more interesting than wanking >> about a mobile toy for yuppies with too much money. If replies to >> this query are off-list, I'd like to be included in the off. >> >> R.. >> >> >> >Sorry for the offtopic query, >> > >> >but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american >> artists >> >know of travel grants available for american artists with >> residencies >> >overseas? >> > >> >It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often >> will offer >> >travel support to artists going abroad. >> > >> >I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or >> NGOs that >> >do...? >> > >> >Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the >> >question... >> > >> > thanks! >> > >> > aaron >> > >> > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx >> > http://www.quietamerican.org >> > >> > | quod omne animal post | >> > | cogitum est triste... | >> > >> > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> Website: http://www.warbaby.com >> (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not >> work yet.) >> Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ >> Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby >> -- >> >> "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would >> permit us to be pirates." >> >> - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 07:58:52 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41319-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94541 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:04:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 94530 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:04:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:58:36 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] touch screen To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_be6ohmB3/s5yTB0X2sF5Fw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_be6ohmB3/s5yTB0X2sF5Fw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/experimental-touchscreen-makes- iphone-look-like-a-toy-229965.php http://tinyurl.com/2t5psn --Boundary_(ID_be6ohmB3/s5yTB0X2sF5Fw)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 03:39:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41318-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22988 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:45:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 22976 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:45:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:38:55 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] openMoko To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wwwObhAXCjVAP33nL+pkEw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_wwwObhAXCjVAP33nL+pkEw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html --Boundary_(ID_wwwObhAXCjVAP33nL+pkEw)-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 21 02:56:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41317-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10360 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:03:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 10344 invoked from network); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:03:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:56:48 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] widgets In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx do we get to choose who we can call, at least? g. the new apple iphone: steve jobs is listening™ On 20-Jan-07, at 5:14 PM, Eloy Anzola wrote: > > Apple, so far, plans to basically control every aspect of the > iPhone experience. > > Eloy > ----- > xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 22:15:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41316-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4470 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:21:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 4448 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:21:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:14:48 -0500 From: Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] widgets In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-Originating-IP: 24.90.10.217 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-ELNK-Trace: 61ccf016e473eb8b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7941129940c7aed810b285eb7aa4bd1fcd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There's apparantely a small distinction, what runs on our Apple computers is "Mac OS X", the iPhone will run "OS X". Apple, so far, plans to basically control every aspect of the iPhone experience. Eloy ----- xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2007, at 3:15 AM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > wrote: > >> You _doubt_? You don't _know_? >> I _know_ - It uses OS X widgets. > actually my friend - who is a senior programmer at Apple Inc. - > just confirmed that widgets that work on OS X *WILL NOT*, I > repeat, WILL NOT work on the iPhone. > sorry, but your 'knowledge' is wrong > >> So I suggest you read the articles I posted previously and educate >> yourself. >> Or stay off the subject until you do. Either way. >> Whatever. Free country. > a free market in a free country where free individuals live! > viva la Chavez! :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 20:45:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41315-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70612 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:51:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 70592 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:51:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:45:22 -0700 From: devslashnull <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iphone etc In-reply-to: <000901c73c81$d5a66c90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gsLqhfFwHKJghqFVTL3djw)" X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <000901c73c81$d5a66c90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_gsLqhfFwHKJghqFVTL3djw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now we're on to something... skiing... now there's something we can all agree to hate. slithering down some snow covered slope listening to iPods no doubt... listening to terrible music. music they probably PAID for on iTunes. DRM protected music... Death to the skiers!!! On Jan 20, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Steven McLeod wrote: > I don't know who's more of a cunt. Him, or the sycophants who lap > up whatever swill he tosses at them. Cunts who shop on the king's > road and go skiing. > --Boundary_(ID_gsLqhfFwHKJghqFVTL3djw)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 18:07:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41314-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1098 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 1085 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:13:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:07:28 -0600 From: Rod Stasick <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Hearing Test To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/hearingloss.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 10:58:02 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41313-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17639 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:04:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 17626 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:04:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:57:52 +0000 From: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iphone etc To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: Steven McLeod <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <000901c73c81$d5a66c90$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nZzIMmo4T4buyAKb7rpO4g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_nZzIMmo4T4buyAKb7rpO4g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to at flames to a smolderingly shite thread, I would like to draw your attention to this quote from, http://www.holymoly.co.uk/index.php?option=com_glossary&func=display&Itemid=3&catid=14 STEVE JOBS-He's an outrageous cunt who palms other people's ideas off as his own. Nokia and Sony Ericsson already have a phone out that's better than the iPhone but because it's not an Apple product the media don't give 2 shits and everyone assumes Jobs has single-handedly invented not only the mobile phone but touchscreen technology, the internet, digital music, gravity, oxygen and the ecosystem. I don't know who's more of a cunt. Him, or the sycophants who lap up whatever swill he tosses at them. Cunts who shop on the king's road and go skiing. --Boundary_(ID_nZzIMmo4T4buyAKb7rpO4g)-- From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 06:01:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41312-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36663 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:07:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 36652 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:07:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:01:19 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j4Xar9+frBNmZD11PiJK0RtVEKKpXT+4u1tu1HZTWOzCsuBEV+nwvwQPoVIlmJDmW1b2jeIOc63cPBOn2aRiFRmryD+/V4/1L5rSnOyg0GjX18ga79uFAuPWY+OUxNcLytWWfLv1z0ShH+atPHZPk+efOsIdqZzfDzd8OwcRopo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.x.x> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Same here (although Pd on iPhone would be drool-worthy ;-) ). ~Kyle On 1/19/07, Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Not all that off-topic and certainly more interesting than wanking > about a mobile toy for yuppies with too much money. If replies to > this query are off-list, I'd like to be included in the off. > > R.. > > > >Sorry for the offtopic query, > > > >but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american artists > >know of travel grants available for american artists with residencies > >overseas? > > > >It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often will offer > >travel support to artists going abroad. > > > >I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or NGOs that > >do...? > > > >Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the > >question... > > > > thanks! > > > > aaron > > > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > > http://www.quietamerican.org > > > > | quod omne animal post | > > | cogitum est triste... | > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >website: http://www.microsound.org > > > -- > > -- > Website: http://www.warbaby.com > (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) > Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ > Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby > -- > > "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would > permit us to be pirates." > > - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Jan 20 03:51:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41311-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96353 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:57:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 96339 invoked from network); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:57:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:55:03 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200705c1d741bcc714@[192.168.0.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Not all that off-topic and certainly more interesting than wanking about a mobile toy for yuppies with too much money. If replies to this query are off-list, I'd like to be included in the off. R.. >Sorry for the offtopic query, > >but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american artists >know of travel grants available for american artists with residencies >overseas? > >It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often will offer >travel support to artists going abroad. > >I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or NGOs that >do...? > >Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the >question... > > thanks! > > aaron > > xxxxx@xxxx.xxx > http://www.quietamerican.org > > | quod omne animal post | > | cogitum est triste... | > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >website: http://www.microsound.org -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 23:30:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41310-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87085 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:36:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 87070 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:36:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Ximm <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] travel grants for US artists with overseas residencies? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.x.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-WELL-Auth: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2466/Thu Jan 18 15:49:11 2007 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sorry for the offtopic query, but this seemed about the best place I knew to ask: any american artists know of travel grants available for american artists with residencies overseas? It seems in enlightended parts of the world one's gov't often will offer travel support to artists going abroad. I can't imagine that my own does, but hope there may be NPOs or NGOs that do...? Taking replies off-list might be best given the OT-nature of the question... thanks! aaron xxxxx@xxxx.xxx http://www.quietamerican.org | quod omne animal post | | cogitum est triste... | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 21:32:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41309-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13139 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 13129 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:32:11 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] widgets In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ITKLFSWXsJyKkwgYOY9jeA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ITKLFSWXsJyKkwgYOY9jeA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 19, 2007, at 3:15 AM, xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > You _doubt_? You don't _know_? > I _know_ - It uses OS X widgets. actually my friend - who is a senior programmer at Apple Inc. - just confirmed that widgets that work on OS X *WILL NOT*, I repeat, WILL NOT work on the iPhone. sorry, but your 'knowledge' is wrong > So I suggest you read the articles I posted previously and educate > yourself. > Or stay off the subject until you do. Either way. > Whatever. Free country. a free market in a free country where free individuals live! viva la Chavez! :) --Boundary_(ID_ITKLFSWXsJyKkwgYOY9jeA)-- From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 20:41:30 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41308-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67334 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:47:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 67324 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:47:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:41:09 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] announcement != marketing In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OQLTgnierj/M+ktQglKesN98zIpdB7PbYgjz4cSkCcnmWl/Rh9OoB5W3k3TmYdNOJbspHTzHzej4L26dCxCFt0YQz3sR53uGUtqbbZB+sIkJp8W4wivGWS4rth2Zg4GtEKunx0OUcTQO3wiXQfzKG8bRGLVdCPV9lKyxv+QMlhs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Luckily, Pure Data has already been compiled for ARM processors in the form of PDa. http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ICMC2003.pdf Calling an 'announcement' 'marketing' is more of a tongue-in-cheek jibe than a sincere accusation. Again though, marketing is defined in one way(googleing 'define:marketing') as a "means to make a communication about a product or service a purpose of which is to encourage recipients of the communication to purchase or use the product or service." So If you're selling a CD, and distribute information regarding the contents, price and how to purchase it... ;-) A press kit is a marketing tool, from what I can tell. But what's wrong with that? If you are in a business or non-profit and you don't market your services/products, then success != likely. ~Kyle On 1/19/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > my announcing a new release does not constitute marketing > but judging from the usual reductionist reactions on this list I > suppose it would look that way > and since the iPhone uses an ARM processor - and not a PPC - I would > venture a hunch that one would have to recompile anything for OS X to > get it to work on the iPhone version of OS X -- in other words you > won't be able to just drag a plain vanilla widget onto your iPhone > and expect it to work... > e.g., different OS services, different math (integer vs floating > point), different function calls, etc. > I'm having lunch with a friend of mine next week down at Apple (they > have a great cafeteria!) and will ask him for more details then... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 16:13:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41307-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59424 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:18:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 59339 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:18:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:12:37 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] announcement != marketing To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx my announcing a new release does not constitute marketing but judging from the usual reductionist reactions on this list I suppose it would look that way and since the iPhone uses an ARM processor - and not a PPC - I would venture a hunch that one would have to recompile anything for OS X to get it to work on the iPhone version of OS X -- in other words you won't be able to just drag a plain vanilla widget onto your iPhone and expect it to work... e.g., different OS services, different math (integer vs floating point), different function calls, etc. I'm having lunch with a friend of mine next week down at Apple (they have a great cafeteria!) and will ask him for more details then... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 19 06:52:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41306-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18671 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:58:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 18657 invoked from network); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:58:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:52:16 -0500 From: emanuele de raymondi <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iPhone fun To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UIUCCiecmEq17T4rbhB9FA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eBQabiNyTvMbm/kxvDHWzUAKamJD049EmcjaPtkrccAxedBX8Wxk8rHG7MAafZ8yYJehSblHtC98atSQKtrumV+MiDhLHMCXk4GW0Hb5uSOWWfVAAWNlvFJg1BYTIwHv37A0wBKdPtaWP9b5ZfVKO1FOAS7dmHX8+CJW3tcWZ/w= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_UIUCCiecmEq17T4rbhB9FA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnIajyXDLs&mode=related&search= --Boundary_(ID_UIUCCiecmEq17T4rbhB9FA)-- From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 18:35:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41305-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56720 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:41:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 56710 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:41:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:45 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Extrapolating into the moment of Saddam's death In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The grim subject matter does not bother me even though i know some may be offended by it. Having said that, i really liked this piece a lot. Very gripping. I think if it would be imbedded into a flash piece that had text synced to the audio via code/action scripting it would be even more effective. Simple text builds no different then the intro/descriptions you have on your site before the listener/visitor presses the download button. Just a friendly suggestion! aLEKs On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Thomas Ashcraft wrote: > > In light of the recent thread on cellphones as recorders I am posting > a short sketch .mp3 with a sonic extrapolation into the moment of > Saddam's death by hanging. > > This piece may lean more towards hybrid phonography but it does have a > pulsing microsound middle. > > http://www.heliotown.com/Possible_Bardo_of_Saddam.html > > 4 minutes 4 seconds > > NOTE : Due to morbid sonic content, please do not listen to this > piece while high or in a state of altered consciousness. > > Thomas Ashcraft > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 18:22:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41304-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49708 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:28:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 49683 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:28:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:22:06 -0700 From: Thomas Ashcraft <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Extrapolating into the moment of Saddam's death In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx In light of the recent thread on cellphones as recorders I am posting a short sketch .mp3 with a sonic extrapolation into the moment of Saddam's death by hanging. This piece may lean more towards hybrid phonography but it does have a pulsing microsound middle. http://www.heliotown.com/Possible_Bardo_of_Saddam.html 4 minutes 4 seconds NOTE : Due to morbid sonic content, please do not listen to this piece while high or in a state of altered consciousness. Thomas Ashcraft --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 16:58:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41303-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5875 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:04:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 5864 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:04:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:58:03 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Creating video with a circuit bent Casio Sk-1 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pkfpvYwUUWx/hTS3Ei14Lg1Sg6wOQB+3NOFG2QQNt7y3cAyWH5YtUnb7pCFgjP20JkT5M0mdqs5izDat14GebtBuBeI2piqbNY8FauZVu8eGUkN9E7DAvNlv97Vu+kI2fu81X4w4BHcDAxJKKwazOKdJmowl5NfYRSJkbtbh0io= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.getlofi.com/?p=684 The circuit is simply a diode to prevent the back flow of current and a resistor to drop the +5 Volt logic gate to a +1 Volt required for generating a video signal. The color of the pixel is determined by the voltage in between 0 ( Black ) and 1 ( White ), so if multiple points on the ROM chip were mixed with various resistor values color images will occur. Gijs' result is a series of lines that appear on a monitor in a scrolling fashion. The resulting image is neat and in sync with the sounds generated, however it is out of sync with the screen. The NTSC and PAL video standards require a sync pulse to be sent every so often, without it the image will scroll. Very nice work and I am sure that this technique will work with other circuit bent devices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_SB88RXTw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 15:15:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41302-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57729 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:21:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 57718 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:21:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:14:46 -0500 From: Brent Colflesh <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***world community grid*** In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received-SPF: none X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is a great project - I started when it was still grid.org - I'm currently at: 1 year: 185 days: 13 h: 21 m: 39 s on WCG, user "bcolflesh". Thanks for publicizing this project on the list! Regards, Brent Kim Cascone wrote: > List member Mel has started a glitch team over at the World Community Grid. > > This is a project that is using networked computer's downtime to > process potential HIV and AIDS medicines. Many other projects are > also ongoing relating to genome comparison and human/pathogen > protein research. WCG uses BOINC software like the more famous SETI > project, or can also work with a simpler standalone agent for > processing tasks. > > I encourage members of the microsound list to join up and pool their > computer > resources. > > http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=7BS4ZCMFR1 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.14/636 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 4:00 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Jan 18 15:03:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41301-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52085 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:09:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 52072 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:09:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:03:21 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ***world community grid*** To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YJ0V8wHvn+9XtzRjbrWu2g)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: