Re: (idm) Orbital

From john
Sent Sun, Oct 19th 1997, 17:22

This is quite an odd opinion you have.  AFX is my favorite because I find
his music so emotional.  Listen to pancake lizard, hedphelym.  If you have
i care, though, and can't feel it, we must have two very different
psychologies.  I've always thought that surfing on sine waves was his
coldest album.  It's also his most straight ahead.

I doubt that AFX doesn't care about his music.  I don't think he ever said
he doesn't, either.  Hates live shows, putting together albums, hates
having to do these things in order to make a living, maybe.

I don't think squarepusher's nearly as good, but his music can be lovely
at times, especially when there's some basic theme breaking through the
mad programming. 

The exact examples you 2 bring up:  orbital, goldie- these are 2 examples
I'd use to typify soulless music.  When your style sounds so much like
anybody else's, at least to me, whatever gut the music has seems
insincere.  They did what they think they're supposed to do to make a
track with some feeling rather than just making the track and letting the
feeling take care of itself.

> >There is a legitimate contrast between Orbital and, say, AFX.  Orbital's
> >music is often (though not always) not as complex, and they don't really
> >"mess around" as much, not really taking as many chances.  But despite
> >this, I believe they have something AFX doesn't have.  We all know AFX's
> >purported attitude towards his music, and frankly, it shows, brilliant
> >though it is.  But there is somthing to be said for the "soul" of a
> >piece of music, and Orbital has it in spades.
> 
> I'd have to agree to an extent.  The only RDJ I own is ICBYD, and while I
> like it, it's not an album I really feel.  Maybe that album is an anomaly,
> but much IDMish musik has a tendency to be overly intellectualized, and in
> the process it leaves behind emotional content and a sweet
> simplicity/directness.   Not that there's anything wrong with insane Sqpshr
> percussion--but sometimes I like the relative simplicity of a well produced
> "formulaic" jungle track, like a Goldie or a No U-Turn.  I really like the
> Autechre i have because their fractured melodies and repetitive beats touch
> me in a way mu-ziq's banal synth thingies don't (not that I don't like them,
> they're just obviously cheesy and seem a counterpoint to his drums rather
> than anything that could stand alone, plus they get sickening after too long
> a sitting).  I like Orbital-maybe I have a soft spot because they were an
> early techno exposure for me, but their melody, their simplicity sometimes
> just works for me.  
> 
> Sam
>