From UTF-8 Sent Thu, Oct 11th 2018, 18:43
From UTF-8 Sent Thu, Oct 11th 2018, 18:43
Never heard of a GRP A2 before. I checked it out quickly - not for me this time as I really like synths with keyboards. Also the dual filter aspect of the CS30 is highly interesting. And finally, the CS20M was my first analog synth, and I've had it for almost 20 years... The Yamaha sound has been a part of my synth hobby for such a long time, but I don't like some of the CS20M's limitations, especially the lack of filter tracking control and the lack of single triggering keyboard mode, both of which the CS30 has, along with dual filters, ring mod and all the weirdness. If I was more sensible, I'd probably get a used Matrixbrute. Similar price as a CS30, I think. Also dual filter but with memories, analog effects, possibility to split the keyboard for left hand bass (which I'd really like!) etc. But I kinda want to experience that CS Yamaha sound without the CS20M's limitations. I could finally create those sounds I dreamt of. The lack of filter keyboard tracking is so annoying... Just when you've dialed it perfect for the lower range of the keyboard, it's too bright in the upper registers etc. And always multiple triggering. Single triggering is just so much more expressive. Although I discovered a little workaround for that, but still. Cheers, Antti to 11. lokak. 2018 klo 4.40 M V (xx_xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx) kirjoitti: > > I don't have much to add to the specific debate at hand, but as a former = CS-30 owner, thought I would suggest an alternative in the form of the GRP = A2. I was recently thinking about getting a CS-30 again, but as I did, I wa= s reminded about the various weird limitations. Some of these can be overco= me with modding, but still... not ideal. > > > At the same time I was looking at the A2 and I basically came to the conc= lusion that if you ignore the independent dual filter aspect (which can be = a little too "CS-funk" for its own good at times), the A2 has all the same = features and then some. Useful, and also novel modulations out the wazoo, i= nsanely snappy envelopes, and a really classy filter sound that feels somew= here in between the SEM multimode filter and the first ARP LP filter. And t= he build quality is top notch--it sets a precedent that every maker should = be following. > > > If I desperately need the CS sound, I have a CS-10 which does the job fin= e. The only things I really miss on the CS-30 now are the formant vowel sou= nds (surprisingly good). The A2 is about the same price as a CS-30 or 30L t= hese days, but they are about to be discontinued, so well worth looking int= o now. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Antti pitk=C3=A4m=C3=A4ki <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 4:02 PM > To: AH > Subject: [AH] Yamaha CS30L vs CS30? > > Hi, > > I'm thinking of selling my Yamaha CS20M and getting either a CS30L or > a CS30. But which one is better? > > If I've understood correctly they are the same, except CS30L lacks the > sequencer but has a "brilliance" control, allowing tweaking the cutoff > of both filters simultaneously. As an extra feature the CS30L also has > a "sustain" control, allowing controlling the release of all envelopes > simultaneously. CS30L also has a pedal control voltage input for the > "brilliance", which the CS30 lacks. > > However, is there any way with the CS30 to tweak the cutoff of both > filters simultaneously, apart from using two hands? If not, is it easy > to mod to have this feature? > > I'm leaning towards a CS30L because of the extra "brilliance" feature > and a somewhat cheaper average price, although of course then I'll > loose the sequencer. I've never been terribly interested in analogue > sequencers and so I don't value the sequencer that much, but of course > it would be fun to have it integrated in a synth like the CS30 has > (allowing weird stuff like one oscillator controlled by the sequencer, > one by the keyboard but so that the sequence is also transposed, and > some envelopes controlled by the sequencer and some by the > keyboard...). > > Anyways, I'd love to hear opinions on which one is better, the CS30 or > the CS30L? :) > > Cheers, > Antti