From GamePrg. Sent Thu, Jul 9th 1998, 04:02
From GamePrg. Sent Thu, Jul 9th 1998, 04:02
On Wednesday, 08-Jul-98, mult santa wrote [about Re: (idm) it takes the
physical....]:
>i don't think i'll be the first to say that planet mu's mealtime
>compilation killed drill n' bass (see below), not to mention the apparant
>death of spymania. It was real big around here before that came out and
>spoiled it for everyone.
Yep. I think that was the point of no return.
>oh it did.. for a short while every big name artist was trying their hand
>at it and it spun off wack imitation labels like bovinyl.
I believe the fact that it was dubbed a genre is the root of why it
died.. (if it's dead yet??)
I mean, it should have just been thought of as just something new that some
people are doing, namely Tom J. and seemingly Aphex was inspired by Tom J a
bit, and also Luke Vibert.. but then seemingly everyone was making these
records that the beats were all very much a like, with overused snarerushes
and pretty much most of the beats sounded the same, which the exception of
AFX who clearly changed everything with Come to Daddy (the ep, not the
track, well not the Pappy Mix at least). Bouncing Ball is something which I
would hardly call drum/drill'n'bass but it's in the same vein as Richard D.
James LP and the Hangable Auto Bulb's.. (in my opinion at least)
but it seems when everyone started doing it, and I for one (as well as others)
got sick of hearing the same sound, even though I still treasure FMWT,
Lunatic Harness.. although I admit I don't play them as often as I used to.
I think it's the same idea that in, if you listen to a certain album
non-stop, over and over and over.. it's value is going to be diminished.
>>I have a dumbass question, anyway--who are the drill and bass
>>artists? I can think of u-ziq and TJ and just some of RDJ album--what
>>else is out there that I haven't heard yet?
>everyone says that the first drill n' bass record was afx's hangable auto
>bulb, but i think that it was actually richard's remix of wagonchrist's
>"spotlight"... regardless don't start that thread again.
I don't see why the hell Hangable Auto Bulb is considered drill'n'bass, even
drum'n'bassish (before the hot term drill'n'bass was cued by details).. I
mean, it sounds like just chopped up .. BEATS .. to me, like a lot of
Autechre.. just that it's a bit fast.. (somewhat like cichlisuite, which
was also dubbed as drill'n'bass-ish)
I think because it's fast and not 4 on the floor that ppl think it's
drum'n'bass.. another example of this is Flim.. the pretty piano melody
with a drum'n'bassish drumtrack. what's so drum'n'bassish about it, really?
doesn't sound like any drum'n'bass I've ever heard or jungle for that
matter. although it think it's a lot better when ppl thought it was "rdj's"
take on drum'n'bass.. or that Tom J. was just an eccentric jungle producer.
Once on here someone said that an open-minded jungle dance crowd might get
into somenoe dropping FMWT on the decks. by eccentric I mean that his
music is a bit, different, from the rest of the jungle stuff out there.
now Squarepusher yes.. but that's just sounds like really fast jungle.. I
mean basically those are chopped up jungle breaks, maybe there's snare
rushes in it, but no need to create a whole new genre out of it..
FMWT is great, Lunatic Harness is ABSOLUTE bliss, but I just am getting tired
of it. I think it was something nice, but it should have never been "overused"
the way that it has been. something new must replace it, and I think BoC did
it nicely with Music Has The Right To Children, and also UZ-IZ, ctd (little
lord faulteroy mix), and flim on come to daddy did it as well quite nicely..
I'm not saying that I don't like the drill'n'bass that's been released
already, but I've noticed I've been staying away from a lot of the
post-mealtime drill'n'bass stuff.
>plus there is the horde of sub-par jenkinson type imitators like
>Woodenspoon, Rubber Johnny , Max Tundra and such.
EXACTLY my point.. I can almost say (almost) that the definition of
drill'n'bass is "music that sounds extremely squarepusher-like."
When I posted my review of Lunatic Harness I was bombarded by people saying
that Mike P. is a total ripoff (it could have been another time?) of
Squarepusher in there.. (but they also went to say he is a total ripoff on
everything he did blabla..) and I didn't believe that at all, until the
drill'n'bass stuff kept coming, and kept sounding the same.
about woodenspoon, I think it's heaps better than rubber johnny at least.
I haven't heard Max Tundra. but also to me sounds like if it's imitating
anything it would be the HAB ep's.. it's got that abstract chopped up beats
sound, with eerie simple waveform melodies, as opposed to more traditional
drumsounds and (heh) breaks used by Tom J, Mike P. etc (also the thicker
sounds)
>-Mealtime (Planet Mu)
>Yuk, the worst drill n bass release yet. Aside from an interesting new
For damn sure.. I listened to the Jega track and wondered "what the hell is
all the hype about".. maybe some of you could point me in a better direction
as to hearing what jega (and the other artists on there) are about.
>i think i'm gonna sit down and write a book on the (brief) history of
>drill n bass ;-)
I'll help.. It seems so strange though... one article in details magazine
about the different styles of "electronica" had spun off this huge thing.
and ironically all of us adapted to the new term, when usually we laugh and
take a piss at the articles about "electronica" written in the mainstream
press. (I should say far-more-than-mainstream press.. as details is a highly
"hipster" mag with the latest shoes, clothes, clubs, sex and music :) (and I
admit I used to subscribe it when I was 15) but I will say it did have some
nice articles, and Anka (for all of you who know) will always rule :DD
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